Wow, you're right. Too bad they don't have the silver version. Odd Costco wouldn't carry this in their store. Hmm... Costco isn't listed as an authorized etailer, but I guess their warranty would be better than Denon's in any case...

1# did you have 2 sets of rear speakers? The only reason to use Surround B, is if you have a pair of Surround A speakers and Surround B speakers. this is possible, but very unlikey in most situations. So since auto setup didn't detect them on B is no surprise t me. Having them on A is the way it should be. Forget the diagram, it is confusing.

2# Some speakers have crossover settings that will show up to the "Auto setup" as out of phase... Even though you think everythign is hooked up right, double check it at the reciever again. If not, your solution will get the autosetup through that part, but immidiately switch them back, so the rest of the tests are doen right.

3# when your on TV mode, the reciever is only looking for the Opt 1, this could be becasue it is set to that as a default. You should switch it to Auto select for the audio input. This button is located on the front panel.

4# I hear this alot, people some times think that the surrounds should be active all the time. The surround channels are rarely used, they are just for effects and ambient fill. If you put it on 7CH Stereo, and they come on then everything is right. Leave it on Dolby Digital and watch a DVD with alot of special effects. I bet you hear them alot more.

Hope this helps.

Robert, Thanks for your response!!

#1 - understand, only have 1 pair of surrounds.

#2 - triple checked and they are connected correctly. Will take your advice and change after the auto select detects them and before it sends out the equalization signals. I'm pretty sure the reason they all show "large" is because they have a wide response (fronts 38Hz to 20kHz; center 75 to 20k and surrounds 40 to 20k). Would there be any advantage to changing the center and surrounds to "small" afterwards?

#3 the TV was set for Auto select but I found the volume was about 25db lower. Guess I need to tweak the input function levels so the tuner doesn't blow me out, but there is only 1 TV input function and the the difference between digital and analog is huge!!!. Any Ideas???

#4 - understand, Thanks again!!



Two new questions for anyone:

#5. What surround mode and equilization do most of you use for analog TV, HDTV, DVD movies and the tuner?

#6. Is it better to run both the audio and video through the 3806 via HDMI or send the video to the TV via HDMI and audio only to the 3806 using digital optical when available , or analog when not? Bottom line, will the additional connections degrade the video signal?

Thanks all for the great advise on this forum!! I hope I can find the right combinations to take full advantage of this unit!!! I figured I better learn how to use it before I put everything on my Harmony 880.

Jim

I think he mistyped display. I would love to located a refurb of this unit, eCost has them listed for a really good price but none in stock. I check them everyday, multiple times throughout the day.

yep, you were right GigaP...... it was a display model.
Is $900 to much for what it worth at this time of this model????????

I think $900 is too much. I could have bought a brand new one from Hippos audio/video for only a little more than that. Although I ended up getting a refurb from Ecost last May for $715 shipped.

Thanks so much Aaronwt for sharing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, after tinkering around all day. I think I got everything just where it should be.

Just finished auditioning DTS' Blu-Ray 2007 CES Demo disc. WOW! This 3806 really is amazing, I am so glad I went this way. Those Burr-Browns make all the difference.

I spent all day on here reading everything here in this thread and on the Audyssey 3806 thread. Thanks to Chris from Audyssey! I was having a problem getting it sounding right and what I realized is, during the day around here there is just too much outside noise. Cars drving by, airplanes, helicopters, teenage kids Car stereo systems. These were all afftecting the way calibration, especially in the lower bass regions.

So, I did the Autosetup again, this time makign sure the outside noise was not interfering, required me waiting till midnight, and ever then I had the redo some of the positional readings a couple times, cause of outside disturbances. Anyhow, got it all set now.

The Audyssey kicks ass! Really opened up my 360 degree soundstage, and my little yamaha YST215 sounds so much better.

I live in an apartment, so I can't go too crazy. My next purchase will be a new sub, really looking at the SVS PB10-NSD or the HSU VTF-3 MK2.

Here is my setup

Mitsubishi WD-62725
Denon AVR3806
Sony PS3 via HDMI
Xbox 360 w/HD-DVD via Component
SA 8300HD via Component

Fronts - Polk R300 (Couldn't beat them at Frys Special Price)
Center - Polk CSi25
Rear Surround - Polk R150
Sub - Yamaha YST215


Black Hawk Down in uncompressed PCM was awesome, one of the main reasons I decided to get a new reciever. Can't wait to listen to some more PCM blu-ray movies.

I hope this XBOX360 rumor is true and they go with HDMI on a new model. Then I could pick up Dolby TrueHD from HD-DVD.

The remote does suck! Probably gonna get a Phillips RC9800i

Thanks eveyone for participating here, you made today alot of fun for me and setting up this 3806 was a breeze for me.

Works great with the cheap Toshiba A1 as well.

Since last month..

I was shocked that Denon did not have any presence at CES this year. If they did it must have been a private showing for a select showing of attendees. They were not even listed in the directory. Not for Denon or D&M. I was looking for their upcoming receivers to be showcased.

When is CEDIA again? :p

I was shocked that Denon did not have any presence at CES this year. If they did it must have been a private showing for a select showing of attendees. They were not even listed in the directory. Not for Denon or D&M. I was looking for their upcoming receivers to be showcased.

Audioholics had three videos on their website that contained an interview with the Denon rep at CES and showed a new Amp and processor. he also talked about some of the things that would be included in the Denon receivers that will be released this year.

Audioholics had three videos on their website that contained an interview with the Denon rep at CES and showed a new Amp and processor. he also talked about some of the things that would be included in the Denon receivers that will be released this year.

Were they at the Convention Center? Or at a private hotel? They were not listed in the exhibitor listing. The only Denon equipment I saw was one unit at the Dolby display an "older" high priced Standard DVD player.

I was shocked that Denon did not have any presence at CES this year. If they did it must have been a private showing for a select showing of attendees. They were not even listed in the directory. Not for Denon or D&M. I was looking for their upcoming receivers to be showcased.


I missed them too.. Looks like they were at one of the other hotels. In the High-end areas..

When is CEDIA again? :p

CEDIA is usually like the 2nd week in September, I would expect that to be Denon's big showing of their new stuff. I will be very surprised if we see much before then.

The Denon Rep in the video said the new receivers would be out sometime this Summer.

Robert, Thanks for your response!!

#1 - understand, only have 1 pair of surrounds.

#2 - triple checked and they are connected correctly. Will take your advice and change after the auto select detects them and before it sends out the equalization signals. I'm pretty sure the reason they all show "large" is because they have a wide response (fronts 38Hz to 20kHz; center 75 to 20k and surrounds 40 to 20k). Would there be any advantage to changing the center and surrounds to "small" afterwards?

#3 the TV was set for Auto select but I found the volume was about 25db lower. Guess I need to tweak the input function levels so the tuner doesn't blow me out, but there is only 1 TV input function and the the difference between digital and analog is huge!!!. Any Ideas???

#4 - understand, Thanks again!!



Two new questions for anyone:

#5. What surround mode and equilization do most of you use for analog TV, HDTV, DVD movies and the tuner?

#6. Is it better to run both the audio and video through the 3806 via HDMI or send the video to the TV via HDMI and audio only to the 3806 using digital optical when available , or analog when not? Bottom line, will the additional connections degrade the video signal?

Thanks all for the great advise on this forum!! I hope I can find the right combinations to take full advantage of this unit!!! I figured I better learn how to use it before I put everything on my Harmony 880.

Jim



#2. That is normal for Autosetup, I personally have my fronts/Center set to Small and 60hz on the X-Over, and the surrounds Small and at 80HZ. So, I would say change them all to small and then play with the Xover setting and see what sounds best for you. A good disc to try with this is House of the flying Daggers. In the first part of the movie is a scene with a bunch of drums, really good demo for this.

#3. Sounds like somethign specific with your TV. Will your setup work just going Digital, I would think your TV should output Digital all the time, whatever the source is.

#5 I usually leave mine at Dolby Digital, the standard setting. For tuner or regular music, I will use the 7 Channel Stereo of the Dolby Pro Logic II Music Mode. This is all a matter of taste, but I tend to not to like extra processing from the way it was originally intended to be listened too.

#6 I would say you wouldn't notice a difference either way. I would use the HDMI from the Source to the Denon, then a Single HDMI to your TV, basically turning your TV into a monitor.

Play around with it and really get to know your setup. Find a couple pieces of test material that you can use over and over. That way you know it inside out. Every install is different and what worked for others, might not be what's best for you.

Have fun!

#2. That is normal for Autosetup, I personally have my fronts/Center set to Small and 60hz on the X-Over, and the surrounds Small and at 80HZ. So, I would say change them all to small and then play with the Xover setting and see what sounds best for you. A good disc to try with this is House of the flying Daggers. In the first part of the movie is a scene with a bunch of drums, really good demo for this.

#3. Sounds like somethign specific with your TV. Will your setup work just going Digital, I would think your TV should output Digital all the time, whatever the source is.

#5 I usually leave mine at Dolby Digital, the standard setting. For tuner or regular music, I will use the 7 Channel Stereo of the Dolby Pro Logic II Music Mode. This is all a matter of taste, but I tend to not to like extra processing from the way it was originally intended to be listened too.

#6 I would say you wouldn't notice a difference either way. I would use the HDMI from the Source to the Denon, then a Single HDMI to your TV, basically turning your TV into a monitor.

Play around with it and really get to know your setup. Find a couple pieces of test material that you can use over and over. That way you know it inside out. Every install is different and what worked for others, might not be what's best for you.

Have fun!


Thanks again Robert, I appreciate it!!

#3. I found that in addition to shutting the TV speakers off, I also had to change the audio output from variable to fixed - now I get both analog and digital at about the same level- YEA!!!!

Anyone else on:

#5. What surround mode and equilization do most of you use for analog TV, HDTV, DVD movies and the tuner?

#6. Is it better to run both the audio and video through the 3806 via HDMI or send the video to the TV via HDMI and audio only to the 3806 using digital optical when available , or analog when not? Bottom line, will the additional connections degrade the video signal?

HDMI is digital. The additional connections aren't going to degrade it. I have my PS3 and HDA2 going to the 3806 first to get the audio then it goes to my VP50 scaler then to my TV, all over HDMI and the picture is great.
I use PLIIx processing for everything since it creates a 7.1 sound field from 2.0 to 5.1 signals. It does a very good job using the PLIIx.

CEDIA is usually like the 2nd week in September, I would expect that to be Denon's big showing of their new stuff. I will be very surprised if we see much before then.

I am not ashamed to say that I hope they get off the high end SD DVD stuff and follow Meridian and go with HD DVD.

One company I could trust for a dual-format player would be Denon. I would get a Denon dual format standalone and connect it by Denon Link to a 4308CI. :)

HDMI is digital. The additional connections aren't going to degrade it. I have my PS3 and HDA2 going to the 3806 first to get the audio then it goes to my VP50 scaler then to my TV, all over HDMI and the picture is great.
I use PLIIx processing for everything since it creates a 7.1 sound field from 2.0 to 5.1 signals. It does a very good job using the PLIIx.

Thanks aaronwt!! Will PLIIx processing work just as well for a 5.1 speaker setup or will I lose something since it's trying to process and send to dual surrounds? I couldn't find any pro/con articles on using it with a 5.1 speaker setup.

Jim

Thanks aaronwt!! Will PLIIx processing work just as well for a 5.1 speaker setup? I couldn't find any articles on using it with a 5.1 system.

Jim

I use the PLIIx processing to take stereo 2.0 source material like tv or music and convert it to a 5.1 sound field.

The use of the processing comes down to personal preference. I use the PLIIx Cinema for most stereo TV shows, PLIIx Music for - duh - music, and PLIIx Game for the Nintendo Wii.

I also like to use some of the Denon DSP processing options like "Classical" for listening to Classical Music.

My brother-in-law on the other hand usually prefers to listen to the source material without any alterations.

I'm like your brother-in-law; I like to listen to music unadulterated. I have no complaints about Denon's implementation of DSP processing, but I prefer to listen to stereo CD music as such with only bass management applied. The only DSP setting I use is PLIIx for stereo TV programs.

Does anyone know if the only difference from 3805 to 3806 is HDMI?

yep, you were right GigaP...... it was a display model.
Is $900 to much for what it worth at this time of this model????????

Yeah it is, you can get one NIB from Costco online for slightly more than that. A demo model is actually a used unit with a full warranty, and really should not be priced much higher than what a B-stock unit is selling for.

Under "Advanced Playback" in the set-up menu, go to the settings for Two Channel Stereo/Direct and also set that for LFE and Main.

thanks here too. i completely missed that one and couldn't figure out why my cd's sounded like doo.

I'm like your brother-in-law; I like to listen to music unadulterated. I have no complaints about Denon's implementation of DSP processing, but I prefer to listen to stereo CD music as such with only bass management applied. The only DSP setting I use is PLIIx for stereo TV programs.

I'm like that, Pure Direct almost all the way.

However a few of my CDs have a bass-line (around 40-46Hz) that clashes with my (poor) room acoustics, for that the Audyssey improves the sound a lot by dampening the crazy constructive interference I otherwise get.

Cheers

I found a open box 3806 at Best Buy for 799 then i had a coupon for 20% off = 639

Does anyone know if the only difference from 3805 to 3806 is HDMI?

and Room Correction feature called Audyssey MultEQxt and more.....

Thanks Johnla for the info, but I looked up CostCo and I think it's all gone.....

Yeah it is, you can get one NIB from Costco online for slightly more than that. A demo model is actually a used unit with a full warranty, and really should not be priced much higher than what a B-stock unit is selling for.

Thanks Johnla for the info, but I looked up CostCo and I think it's all gone.....


Yep it sure looks like it, they had them yesterday.
They only show the 4806 and the 5805MKII now. And they are somewhat overpriced on both of those.

I found a open box 3806 at Best Buy for 799 then i had a coupon for 20% off = 639

Clark, which bestbuy did you get it from? Do you happen to have another 20% off coupon and don't mind sharing? I'm planning to get this Denon 3806 as well. Let me know. Thanks.

Al,

re: 3805 vs. 3806....the 3806 come with the microphone for the auto eq.

and a reportedly more troublesome remote. But some hdmi capabilities (which I don't really trust...I have seen too many problems reported).

No troublesome remote or HDMI problems with my 3806. Although I did like the remote for the 3805 better.

hi

i just recieved my 3806 only to find that it isn't compatible with the idock by denon. besides switching to the 28, what are my options? is there any way to modify the idock or 3806 so that i can use the two together? or are there some other products with the same functionality (perhaps better?) that i should look at?

thanks in advance

No troublesome remote or HDMI problems with my 3806. Although I did like the remote for the 3805 better.
No problems with HDMI here either, the remote, OTOH, is terrible IMO, 3805 remote is much better.

I hit Magnolia today and they said both colors of 3806 were out of their inventory and that any that still had demo models would have them for ~$800.

I hit Magnolia today and they said both colors of 3806 were out of their inventory and that any that still had demo models would have them for ~$800.

Looks like I need to hit Bestbuy Magnolia tomorrow.

guys....need a quick hand:

i'm setting up my uncle's place with a 3806 + 3910, to a Sony 70XBR1 (rptv LCD, DVI input).....in a nutshell, the HDMI video signal is not working! :confused:

I'm going
3910 -->HMDI-HDMI--> 3806 --->HDMI-DVI---> 70XBR1

I dont get any signal, except an occasional flicker.

I tried going directly from 3910 -->HDMI-DVI--> 70XBR1 and still nothing from the DVD :(

I hope it's not the HDCP protection screwing me....hopefully you guys can tell what I'm missing here. I checked the HDMI assignments on the 3806, and all looks ok.

I'm gonna setup it up with component cables if need be, but would like to use HDMI if possible.

thanks in advance.

No HDMI connections on the TV? Try the HDMi input if there is one available.

No HDMI connections on the TV? Try the HDMi input if there is one available.
no hmdi..that's why i'm using DVI...it only has a DVI input and component

no hmdi..that's why i'm using DVI...it only has a DVI input and component


Looks like component is gonna be your best bet then...

best buy has the 3806 on clearance now for $599. so if your lucky thats the best deal you're gonna find. too bad none of the best buys in MA,RI or NH have any left. :(

so does the 3806 pass audio and video via HDMI...?

and what's the difference between the 3806 and 2807...? is it worth the extra cash...?

best buy has the 3806 on clearance now for $599. so if your lucky thats the best deal you're gonna find. too bad none of the best buys in MA,RI or NH have any left. :(

I've just got one demo unit from Bestbuy for $549 (no mic though). Ask the sale reps there to search it for you through their database. That's how I got mine. The rep went through every single store and finally got 1 for me.

guys....need a quick hand:

i'm setting up my uncle's place with a 3806 + 3910, to a Sony 70XBR1 (rptv LCD, DVI input).....in a nutshell, the HDMI video signal is not working! :confused:

I'm going
3910 -->HMDI-HDMI--> 3806 --->HDMI-DVI---> 70XBR1

I dont get any signal, except an occasional flicker.

I tried going directly from 3910 -->HDMI-DVI--> 70XBR1 and still nothing from the DVD :(

I hope it's not the HDCP protection screwing me....hopefully you guys can tell what I'm missing here. I checked the HDMI assignments on the 3806, and all looks ok.

I'm gonna setup it up with component cables if need be, but would like to use HDMI if possible.

thanks in advance.

You will have to hook up the 3910 either component or composite and go into the menu of the 3910 to enable HDMI.

Guys I have a 3806 used that I have had since Jan 06.
I saved the box, manual, and all packaging.

I changed jobs and my new company wants me to demo (use) Pioneer Elite.

What should I ask for the 3806?

I also have a 1920 DVD and a DCM 380 CD changer.

Thanks.

If it's silver, I'd say ~800, or about ~700 for a black. Add 50-100 if it's mint and subtract 50-100 if it's condition is less than perfect.

The Refurbs and demos were going for $600 to $650 although I got my Refurb last MAy for $715. I thought the silver ones were going for less since they weren't as popular?

Denon 3806 HDMI Audio
Hello All,

I just bought the 3806 but having difficulty setting it up...

I am not getting any AUDIO through my Receiver... BUT can get Audio through TV. I understand I am suppose to set as follows:??

Video Set up --> HDMI In Assign --> DVD to HDMI-1 and HDMI Audio to "AMP" for receiving sound though AMP... it says NO SIGNAL

when i play I get a HIGH PITCH sound from the speakers...

My connection is:

DVD HDMI OUT to Receiver HDMI-1 IN
Receiver HDMI OUT to my Pioneer Plasma Receiver HDMI IN

I didnt connect anything else to the receiver (ONLY DVD)


I dont know what else to do... I am stuck..

Has anyone had the problem of their Denon 3806 remote turning off a JVC Pro RPTV (including the bulb fan!!) when they turn on the Denon??

Hi

I have ordered Denon 3806 and Panasonic PT-AX100U Projector.

I am planning to run HDMI cable from the receiver to the projector.

Question is - Do I need to additionally connect them with a component video cable for displaying receiver's OSD? or HDMI cable is just fine?

Thanks
sri

Hi

I have ordered Denon 3806 and Panasonic PT-AX100U Projector.

I am planning to run HDMI cable from the receiver to the projector.

Question is - Do I need to additionally connect them with a component video cable for displaying receiver's OSD? or HDMI cable is just fine?

Thanks
sri

The OSD will transport over HDMI just fine, but regardless of the connection method, the OSD will only travel at a resolution of 480. The 3806 does not have the ability to up-convert the OSD to 720/1080.

I purchased 2 new Denon 3806 receivers a couple of months ago, one for me and one for a friend. Yesterday he was listening to a music DVD at high levels and all of a sudden the AVR just shut down. It seems like the exact same thing happened to this previous poster. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7497776&&#post7497776) Blank display, no audio or video. We tried everything including processor reset and ended up calling Denon. Fortunately, there is an authorized repair center in town. I will post an update once we find out what failed with the unit.

The OSD will transport over HDMI just fine, but regardless of the connection method, the OSD will only travel at a resolution of 480. The 3806 does not have the ability to up-convert the OSD to 720/1080.


Thanks.

I know OSD will be ok over HDMI and it is 480i only. That is exactly where my concern comes from..Is the panny capable of displaying 480i signal delivered over HDMI or not?

Thanks.

I know OSD will be ok over HDMI and it is 480i only. That is exactly where my concern comes from..Is the panny capable of displaying 480i signal delivered over HDMI or not?

Unless you are lucky and someone here has that model Panasonic, this question then would be better served in the projector forum.

You could also try downloading the manual directly from the manufacturer's website.

today i look at the german http://firmware.denon-online.eu/ site.


Newest Firmware for the Denon 3806 is out today.


Al europe users can acces the firmware with your serialnumber from your AVR-3806 Unit.


I think you wil get 7.1 pcm support true HDMI and som other fixes.

Good luck with upgrade your unit.

today i look at the german http://firmware.denon-online.eu/ site.


Newest Firmware for the Denon 3806 is out today.


Al europe users can acces the firmware with your serialnumber from your AVR-3806 Unit.


I think you wil get 7.1 pcm support true HDMI and som other fixes.

Good luck with upgrade your unit.
Why do these firmware updates always come out in Europe before they do in the United States? :(

Can an end user do a firmware update on the 3806?

If so, how? I didn't notice instructions in the manual.

Thanks,
Darrell

Can an end user do a firmware update on the 3806?

If so, how? I didn't notice instructions in the manual.

Thanks,
Darrell

Copied from the crutchfield.com "hands on research" portion for the 3806:

RS-232C Port: The AVR-3806 includes an RS-232C port for connection to external whole-house control systems, from companies such as AMX, Crestron, and others, and provides a software/firmware upgrade pathway.

I would imagine that, like the 4806 and 5805 upgrades, it will have to be sent in.

Copied from the crutchfield.com "hands on research" portion for the 3806:

RS-232C Port: The AVR-3806 includes an RS-232C port for connection to external whole-house control systems, from companies such as AMX, Crestron, and others, and provides a software/firmware upgrade pathway.

I would imagine that, like the 4806 and 5805 upgrades, it will have to be sent in.
What do you mean by "sent in?"

What do you mean by "sent in?"

From the usa.denon.com "Updates and Upgrades" page for the 4806:

This upgrade allows for Internet Radio through the Ethernet port, 1080p scaling, and provides 1080p HDMI video switching capability. The SPK-554 upgrade is currently being done either by our own factory service in Mahwah, N.J. or by Gold Crown in Carson, CA. For upgrades done by Gold Crown, please contact them directly at 310-538-8282. For factory service upgrades, please register below.

The unit has to be sent in to either the Denon Factory Service center or Gold Crown for the upgrade.

It may be that there are physical parts being swapped out for the 4806 upgrade and the 3806 will only be a software upgrade, so maybe the 3806 will not have to mailed away like the 4806...

Boy, I guess I need to read the manual. I did not know the 3806 had an ethernet port.
(I guess I could put a wireless bridge on the unit if I could find something to do with it!).

my 3806 already has 1080P switching. It handles my PS3 at 1080P just fine.

Boy, I guess I need to read the manual. I did not know the 3806 had an ethernet port.
(I guess I could put a wireless bridge on the unit if I could find something to do with it!).
the 3806 doesnt have an ethernet port....unfortunatley...so I dont know how we would update it without sending it in to a service center etc...

Take care,
Brian

Hi

I have been trying to achieve this but have still not figured out a way to get it done.

My DVD player is connected via component to the 3806, as is my PS2. They are both set to output a progressive scan signal.

The AVR is connected to my HDTV ready plasma via HDMI. I have tried all options but I just cannot make the OSD appear as an overlay on the video. Everytime I press the OSD button or the Setup button, the video image disappears and the setup or OSD display shows up. The manual states clearly that to achieve this, I should enable the "Convert analog to digital" in the HDMI Out setup to "On" and thats exactly how mine is setup.

Can anyone help me figure out what it is that I'm missing? Thanks!

my 3806 already has 1080P switching. It handles my PS3 at 1080P just fine.
It should also do 8 ch PCM over HDMI as well so I'm not sure what that update is all about.

It should also do 8 ch PCM over HDMI as well so I'm not sure what that update is all about.

As of right now, all we know is that the Denon Germany site has a firmware update posted, but unless someone reads German and can translate the page, we really do not know what it includes or what it involves.

It should be technically possible to software update through the RS-232C port on the 3806, but more than likely special software on a computer would be required (like when you flash a new firmware to a cell phone).

Lastly, we really have no idea if the update will ever come to the USA.

It should also do 8 ch PCM over HDMI as well so I'm not sure what that update is all about.
keenan,

not all the 3806's can do 7.1 pcm through hdmi...my 3806 is one that wont...it can do 5.1 and apply prologicIIx to it but it wont handle 7.1 pcm discrete channels. Some of the early production models of these receivers lacked the software. I found this out during one of my many conversations with denon...they told me about this issue and asked for my serial # to check it out and sure enough...mine lacked the software. They then told me I can ship it to them or a service center... they didn't seem too sure on which though... to get the firmware update for it to handle 7.1 pcm through hdmi. So...some 3806's can do 7.1 pcm through hdmi and some cant...depends on when yours was manufactured. It would be nice if there was a way to do the firmware update ourselves but I don't see how this can be done without an ethernet port...unless there is a way to do it via the RS-232c terminal.

Take care,
Brian

keenan,

not all the 3806's can do 7.1 pcm through hdmi...my 3806 is one that wont...it can do 5.1 and apply prologicIIx to it but it wont handle 7.1 pcm discrete channels. Some of the early production models of these receivers lacked the software. I found this out during one of my many conversations with denon...they told me about this issue and asked for my serial # to check it out and sure enough...mine lacked the software. They then told me I can ship it to them or a service center... they didn't seem too sure on which though... to get the firmware update for it to handle 7.1 pcm through hdmi. So...some 3806's can do 7.1 pcm through hdmi and some cant...depends on when yours was manufactured. It would be nice if there was a way to do the firmware update ourselves but I don't see how this can be done without an ethernet port...unless there is a way to do it via the RS-232c terminal.

Take care,
Brian
I wasn't aware of that. Do you know what the serial number range is for the units that do not pass 7.1 PCM?

the 3806 doesnt have an ethernet port....unfortunatley...so I dont know how we would update it without sending it in to a service center etc...

Take care,
Brian

Firmware update goes true rs232 poort.

(9 pins Serial com poort)

Got the firmware on my pc fixed on the avr-3806 off my friend

goes verry easy.

Does anyone know what buttons to push on the AVR 3806 to determine its firmware version?

It should also do 8 ch PCM over HDMI as well so I'm not sure what that update is all about.
Mine only does 6 channel PCM over HDMi.. But it will aplly DPLIIx processing to that to create 7.1
Mine was a refurb I bought in May 2006.

Does $800 for a b-stock 3806 sound fair?

Thanks

I got mine for around $715 from ECOST last May.

Would you buy the 3806 over the 2807 if the price was close.

Copied from the crutchfield.com "hands on research" portion for the 3806:

RS-232C Port: The AVR-3806 includes an RS-232C port for connection to external whole-house control systems, from companies such as AMX, Crestron, and others, and provides a software/firmware upgrade pathway.

I would imagine that, like the 4806 and 5805 upgrades, it will have to be sent in.

I have a copy of the Serial Protocol document for the 3806. I have never tried to use it but all the necessary commands/syntax is documented for communicating thru an RS232 Terminal program.

Mine only does 6 channel PCM over HDMi.. But it will aplly DPLIIx processing to that to create 7.1
Mine was a refurb I bought in May 2006.
Well, then maybe none of them do, I only said that because it's in the HDMI 1.1 spec.

What 7.1 PCM source have you tried with it? I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Well, then maybe none of them do, I only said that because it's in the HDMI 1.1 spec.

What 7.1 PCM source have you tried with it? I can't think of any off the top of my head.
"crank" is actually output in 7.1 and so is "the descent" although the box only says 6.1 pcm...If you have the ps3 you can check them on that because it shows you what the signal is...among other things.

**the game resistance is also 7.1**

about the denon serial #'s...I tried to get that info from them but they said that they didnt have a list to give me...they just dont know what they are doing over there in denon customer support.

Take care,
Brian

Firmware update goes true rs232 poort.

(9 pins Serial com poort)

Got the firmware on my pc fixed on the avr-3806 off my friend

goes verry easy.
Hey dutchman...Do you have a step by step instruction on how to do this? I cant read any other language than english and I know that you look in some of the europe denon sites such as germany to find out about these updates...An instruction method on how to do this would be AWSOME if you could post it!!! BETTER YET...start a thread with the update instructions...having this as a thread would be a great and easy way for us that are still stuck with 5.1 pcm with the 3806 to update it with the 7.1 pcm via hdmi firmware!

Thanks,
Brian

I know it's a long thread, but please do to search and read the FAQ before posting. Repeat questions/topics are partly to blame for thread being long. In short, you can't do it.

Hi

I have been trying to achieve this but have still not figured out a way to get it done.

My DVD player is connected via component to the 3806, as is my PS2. They are both set to output a progressive scan signal.

The AVR is connected to my HDTV ready plasma via HDMI. I have tried all options but I just cannot make the OSD appear as an overlay on the video. Everytime I press the OSD button or the Setup button, the video image disappears and the setup or OSD display shows up. The manual states clearly that to achieve this, I should enable the "Convert analog to digital" in the HDMI Out setup to "On" and thats exactly how mine is setup.

Can anyone help me figure out what it is that I'm missing? Thanks!

Hello, I have the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD. If i look it up online i see this but not quite understanding it.---- "HDMI 1.0 Digital Audio/Video Output with HDCP Copy Protection
Provides superior uncompressed digital video and audio quality in a simple, user-friendly connector. HDMI provides the optimal, secure connection to an HDTV set. HDMI is backward compatible with the DVI 1.0 video interfaces using the HDMI-to-DVI converter cable"----

So YES this will work Via HDMI into the Denon 3806 then out to my TV Via HDMI ? Or NO it wont work cause its got a coppywrite protection ? Thanks

a_ok2me:
Actually I did try searching but didn't find anything conclusive....maybe I just need to work on my search skills.

Thank you for the answer, though I do wish someone could explain to me why it can't be done since it says in the manual that it should be possible. Could you point me to the relevant link maybe? I'd be grateful.

a_ok2me:
Actually I did try searching but didn't find anything conclusive....maybe I just need to work on my search skills.

Thank you for the answer, though I do wish someone could explain to me why it can't be done since it says in the manual that it should be possible. Could you point me to the relevant link maybe? I'd be grateful.Search this thread for "overlay". You can only get overlay, if all inputs are 480i, which is basically never. The link to search is in the upper-left corner, below the page number links.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php?searchid=1553157

Great! Thanks a lot!

Hello, I have the Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD. If i look it up online i see this but not quite understanding it.---- "HDMI 1.0 Digital Audio/Video Output with HDCP Copy Protection
Provides superior uncompressed digital video and audio quality in a simple, user-friendly connector. HDMI provides the optimal, secure connection to an HDTV set. HDMI is backward compatible with the DVI 1.0 video interfaces using the HDMI-to-DVI converter cable"----

So YES this will work Via HDMI into the Denon 3806 then out to my TV Via HDMI ? Or NO it wont work cause its got a coppywrite protection ? Thanks

You will need a few things for the setup to work -

First, your TV has to be HDCP compliant.

Next, your cable company has to provide the right firmware version if you are using Passport software on the 8300HD (can't remember what version HDCP was finally fixed, but earlier versions would not work with a switching receiver like the 3806 in the mix).

Last, you just need a little luck - some people, even with HDCP compliance and correct firmware, still have not gotten this combo to work...but for those of us that had the right amount of luck, the setup works great! ;)

Hi...has anyone done this update that "Dutchman" has talked about on the prev. page??? He said you can get the 7.1 pcm firmware update if you have one of the 3806's that lack it...such as mine...by using the rs232 serial port... Denon's US website does not have this info though...

**I sent dutchman a pm but i have not heard from him as of yet**

Thanks,
Brian

I noticed that you can get the 3806 for pretty cheap from http://www.hpdirectav.com/item.aspx?pid=96340

Is this place any good? I have a 2803 right now but would like to get 7.1 LPCM from my PS3 through HDMI. Please advise.

Dakmart has them for $120 less and ecost has them for $240 less.

While Dakmart and eCost say it is refurbished, Howard Pierce says they are new. However they are not authorized and they say that they just act as middle men between buyer and seller and that there is full manufacturer's warranty. sounds fishy though. I can find the Onkyo TX-SR804 for $679 free shipping no tax from authorized places like J & R. Is the 3806 that much better than the Onkyo 804. I have the denon 2803 now but wanted to see if I could sell that and get one with HDMI audio processing capability (for LPCM 7.1). I have a PS3.

My speakers are Klipsch RF5 Fronts, RC7 center, RS35 surrounds, RW12 subwoofer. Only 5.1 setup right now.

Shop Sunshine has them for $75 less than Howard Peirce. They are not authorized either. I got a 2807 from Shopsunshine last year and it was brand new and worked just fine. I did sell it though and got the refurb 3806 since it sounded a little better.

hey guys...I will post the results after I update the 3806...

Take care,
Brian

Need some help.
Was using my Denon 3806 with my Infocus 4805 with no problems. I had the HDMI to M1-A cable from the start. I've now upgraded my projector to the Mitsubishi HD1000u, 720p projector. However I purchased a new 25 foot HDMI CAble and I get no signal through HDMI. No idea how to fix it or why its not working. I've tried another cable, no luck.

Projector is HDMI and HDCP,

I've run a DVI to HDMI (Computer to projector) no problem. And Component cables work fine (Trying to run the xbox 360).

Cant seem to figure out what the problem is, I've played with video convert etc. I'm trying to display any of the 3 devices none of them work (Dvd, vdp, dbs functions for the dvd player, xbox1, xbox360). No single in every situation. All other input seem fine. IS there something I'm over looking or does HDMI to HDMI From Denon 3806 not work very well?


Update to the senario.

I got HD TV Installed, and a DVR Unit.
-This unit connects to reciever through HDMI, then to projector
-I got an error message when it first came up, something quick and it mentioned it wasnt able to send a HD Signal because of copy right? Is that because I have it going to a reciever instead of directly to the projector? Screen has turned green and stayed green since that inital message.
-Is my only alternative to run things through component video cables?

Got my Xbox 360 working, NO idea what I did if anything. I'm using component video and optical digital cables. Seems to work fine now.

But I cant get my Xbox first generation working using RCA Cables in any of the inputs, vdp, dbs, vcr 1, vcr 2 (Yellow, Red, White) says no signal. Is there a problem with 480i and HDMI?

I have a problem with my Denon 3806 settings. I must have changed something inadvertantly and cannot figure out how to change it back.

When I play a CD it will only give me a choice between Direct or Pure Direct modes. The 5 channel stereo, std, cine, etc... options will not work. I have tried going through my Setup Menu extensively, but cannot seem to get it working. Any ideas?

I have a problem with my Denon 3806 settings. I must have changed something inadvertantly and cannot figure out how to change it back.

When I play a CD it will only give me a choice between Direct or Pure Direct modes. The 5 channel stereo, std, cine, etc... options will not work. I have tried going through my Setup Menu extensively, but cannot seem to get it working. Any ideas?
Try pressing the "Standard" button in the Surround options on the receiver.

Try pressing the "Standard" button in the Surround options on the receiver.

Got it! It turned out I had to turn the Multi Remaster off on my Panny DVD-S52 player. Your reply got me down on the floor changing my amp settings and that tweeked me to change my DVD settings. Thanks much! Kind of a round about way, but whatever works, lol.

Anyone have an extra Microphone for the 3806 (DM-S205) laying around and the FM antenna?
I bought a Demo unit and ended up with the S305, I believe, it is for the 4806 model.

I could check back with the store, but I doubt that they will have it.
Where can I get one with a good price? Please help!
Thanks!
Kev.

I use the S305 with my 3806. (I bought for my 3805 and that was the only one you could purchse then)It's a better built mic than the S205. I've used both with the 3806 and a 2807 and received similar results with each mic.

Thanks Aaronwt for your respond!

Somewhere in this threat, I thought I saw Chris from Audyssey recommended to use the correct Microphone model that came with the Receiver to have accurate Audyssey set up due to difference Microphone pick up difference frequency. Please check again.

I'd mess with manual-programming of the remote a bit. You can literally reassign any button except amp on/off I think. I have mine setup to control my TV's input, Aspect & setup, then all the receiver functions (default for amp), then full DVD player control, full VCR Control, and finally full ReplayTV control with all the important buttons mapped around the center the way I like them :)



Please teach me how to mess with the remote, I can't understand the manual.

Thanks!!!
Kev.

Tigerkn;

Best way to mess with the remote is to put in the drawer and replace it with a Logitech Harmony or a similar brand.

Harmony huhh.. would I be able to have the full control as of the RC that came with the 3806 with the Harmony,,,, 880?

Is there a good price now on the 880?

hey guys...I will post the results after I update the 3806...

Take care,
Brian
Well I decided to to return the 3806 for the 4306 so I never tried to update it....I just now got the 4306 hooked up today after purchasing it a couple days ago because the store had sold me a broken unit at first :mad: . I will be checking this unit to see if it will accept 7.1 pcm through hdmi soon...which it should I would think.

Take care,
Brian

Well I decided to to return the 3806 for the 4306...
I'd be interested to hear what overall sonic improvements you heard going from the 3806 to the 4306.

I may have a mic available. It is the heavier metal chassis one for the 3805.

Harmony huhh.. would I be able to have the full control as of the RC that came with the 3806 with the Harmony,,,, 880?
Is there a good price now on the 880?
I bought mine recently on amazon.com for $157, cheaper than the ebay bids at that time. :D

I'd be interested to hear what overall sonic improvements you heard going from the 3806 to the 4306.
Well...I was pleasantly surprised with the sound difference :) ...I really didn't think there would be much of a difference but I was wrong. Ill try to explain how it was too my ears: The 3806 had a very full sound to it...but...kinda sounded like it was overdoing the mid bass just a little, if ya know what I mean? The 4306 to me, still has that full sound...but...without the overdoing of the mid bass...and it seems to steer the surround channels better or more fluently....example..when something in a movie goes from the front channels to the side surrounds and or to the rear surrounds etc... The 4306 also seems to sound cleaner at louder volumes.

ps...I have only listened and watched movies with the 4306 and 3806...no music.
I never engaged the room eq with the 4306 but have with the 3806 but the comparison of both was without the room eq applied.

**This info was how it sounded different to me and others may not agree**

Take care,
Brian

Doesn't the 3806 and 4306 share most of the same components? The same processor, DACS etc.

I want to report that, thanks to Dutchman01, I received the firmware and the update process went without a hitch. I had one of the original units (bought it from Crutchfield Oct 05). One interesting thing that happened was that when I ran auto setup (the update wipes all settings), it set all my speakers to Small (fronts at 40Hz and center/surrounds at 60Hz); twice before when I'd run it with the original firmware, it had set them all to large.

Unfortunately, I don't have a BR player and can't check 7.1.

How did you do the update?

Does anyone know what the firmare upgrade fixes?

Based on the comments below it sounds like they may have modified the Audessey setup routine. It would be nice if they implemented the same Audessey fixes they did in the 4806.

Regards,
Darrell

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I want to report that, thanks to Dutchman01, I received the firmware and the update process went without a hitch. I had one of the original units (bought it from Crutchfield Oct 05). One interesting thing that happened was that when I ran auto setup (the update wipes all settings), it set all my speakers to Small (fronts at 40Hz and center/surrounds at 60Hz); twice before when I'd run it with the original firmware, it had set them all to large.

Unfortunately, I don't have a BR player and can't check 7.1.

Doesn't the 3806 and 4306 share most of the same components? The same processor, DACS etc.
I think that they do have those same things but the 4306 has larger power supply. This is why I was not expecting much improvement either...but it was there. There was enough of an improvement to easily tell the difference between the 2.

Take care,
Brian

How did you do the update?
The installation package included an installation program and instructions in German (which I don't understand). I used babelfish to translate some critical parts to make sure I didn't mess anything up. The installer deposited an image file and a flasher in program files. The flasher was a dialog box (in English) with a choice of COM port, a button to test the connection and a button to do the actual update. That's it.

Initially I tried using my laptop with a USB to RS-232 cable but the software failed to recognize the Denon. I finally dug out an old serial cable which barely managed to reach from my HTPC to the Denon and that did the trick. Acccording to the image (.bin) filename, the firmaware is version 0027.

I don't know what changes this firmware includes, but I have to agree that they must have at least changed the Audyssey setup.

epsilon,

can you please post your new firmware version number after the update? and where can I go get this update package? from Denon's German website?

also, can someone please post the steps to check the firmware version on the 3806? I searched the thread and saw the steps for 4306, is the steps also apply to 3806, the buttons seems different on the 2 receivers.

thanks a lot.
EM

Sorry, I don't know how to display the firmware version. Apparently, the firmware is available at Denon's .eu site, but you'll need a european ip and a serial number that presumably needs to fall in the range of European numbers. If you PM me you email, I can send it to you.

OT: For many months there was a noise coming out from my receiver that I assumed was from a fan. Recently, it has changed to what can be described as a slow clunk. Assuming it's a failing fan, can anyone tel me what fan(s) the Denon has? My receiver is in a very inaccessible location and I have to blindly disconnect things before pulling it out, so I'd rather order the appropriate part(s) before I have to undertake this ordeal.

I've never heard a fan in mine. It's dead silent. The picture from Denon doesn't seem to show a fan either. The only noise I'll hear from it is if the speakers in the back are turned off and I can hear a switch when they turn on or off. But that is only if I mess around with the back speaker settings. Since I use PLIIx all the time the speakers are always on.

I've never heard a fan in mine. It's dead silent. The picture from Denon doesn't seem to show a fan either. The only noise I'll hear from it is if the speakers in the back are turned off and I can hear a switch when they turn on or off. But that is only if I mess around with the back speaker settings. Since I use PLIIx all the time the speakers are always on.Thanks for the reply Aaaron, it's a constant noise. I'm hoping there's a fan in the power supply, otherwise I'm worried it's something more serious. I'll have to give Crutchfield or Denon a call.

It might be the transformer plates in the power supply vibrating.

Would anyone know how the Denon 3806 compares to the Onkyo TX-SR674? It's a lot more expensive....is the cost justified? They both have HDMI switching, but the Denon has an additional component out.

If anyone has anymore insight, I'd appreciate it very much.

Thanks.

It might be the transformer plates in the power supply vibrating.
I'm not sure what that's supposed to sound like but, now that I listen to it again, it's very regular, on then off for 1-2 seconds at a time. That's what initially led me to believe it was something spinning.

I'm not sure what that's supposed to sound like but, now that I listen to it again, it's very regular, on then off for 1-2 seconds at a time. That's what initially led me to believe it was something spinning.
If you get near a large industrial transformer you'll hear a hum which is probably the plates vibrating, like a pole-mounted one that feeds your house.

It's hard to say, but other than the rotary knob assembly on the front, the only other moving parts in the unit would be the transformer plates, and in a well-built transformer you wouldn't really hear it, in one that's going bad, it could very well make noise. Why it goes on and off could be the PS working to provide a constant DC output with fluctuating input voltages.

You may have to talk to Denon.

I have been considering picking up a BH100 (LG's BR/HD-DVD combo player). It has better audio (TrueHD) over analog and actually pretty poor audio over HDMI and Toslink.

If I output from the BH100 and run it in via the analog connections on the 3806, when I select "EXT IN" for that component, it'll provide me with the lossless sound that the BH100 generates, right? Do you need an outboard amp to use the EXT IN?

Has anyone here used a 3806 along with this unit?

I am seeing refurbished 3806 on sale at eCost.com (not available right now) for under $700. Seems like a good deal. Is this safe to buy? Also, if I do get it, it will be for lossless sound through HDMI from my PS3 and also for better DACs. I currently have the 2803 and hoping to sell it soon. Should I just wait until the 3808 or even the 2808 comes out. I want to make sure just because I want lossless music, I don't compromise on the video by routing it through the receiver instead of going straight to the receiver.

bommai, they haven't had stock of the refurbed 3806 in a long time.

If you're a member of the Continental Airlines OnePass program (you'll need an account number and PIN to log in), you can buy Denon products through the "Miles for Merchandise" site for a small amount of mileage and a nice cash discount. You'll need your OnePass number and PIN to log in. The Denon model numbers aren't clearly indicated, but you'll be able to figure it out. For example, below is the AVR 3806:
Denon (16-031)
7.1 Channel Home Theater A/V Receiver - Black
817.78 Dollars

https://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/onepass/rewards/other/merchandise.aspx?SID=D29CBAAC3E8D4FA38137DC4C30B4C0D0

Our CD player bit the dust, and I'm considering options, hoping to get some opinions from forum members:

1) I was thinking of hooking up my iPod to the system, but am aware of the crappy quality of the 128 kbps iTunes downloads. I have taken much of my CD collection and encoded it into 320 kbps mp3 files, which to my ear at least sounds close enough. But is there a limiting factor with the iPod hardware itself that would affect sound quality (vs. playing the files directly from my laptop)? Any other thoughts on 320 kbps iPod-source mp3 files vs CD player quality?

2) Where is the best place to hook the AUDIO IN from the iPod/laptop? I do not see "auxillary" audio inputs, and right now am running it to CD AUDIO IN. But if we eventually bought another CD player, I'd again be searching for where to connect the iPod.

Thanks. Ultimately, I'd love to get back into turntables, but the expense of the equipment and converting my CD collection to vinyl, and the availablity of vinyl album titles seems a bit over the top right now.

Lee

Our CD player bit the dust, and I'm considering options, hoping to get some opinions from forum members:

1) I was thinking of hooking up my iPod to the system, but am aware of the crappy quality of the 128 kbps iTunes downloads. I have taken much of my CD collection and encoded it into 320 kbps mp3 files, which to my ear at least sounds close enough. But is there a limiting factor with the iPod hardware itself that would affect sound quality (vs. playing the files directly from my laptop)? Any other thoughts on 320 kbps iPod-source mp3 files vs CD player quality?


I just looked into this as I'm considering using one of the 80Gb models as a storage medium for a car stereo system. The Ipod will handle the below codecs:

Audio formats supported:

AAC (16 to 320 Kbps),
Protected AAC (from iTunes Store),
MP3 (16 to 320 Kbps),
MP3 VBR, Audible (formats 2, 3 and 4),
Apple Lossless, AIFF and WAV

Mine is an older 40G photo iPod, which supports the same formats you listed. Ultimately, uncompressed wav files would be best, but memory real estate is then an issue.

kidziti,
Format: Obviously rip your music the highest bitrate that meets your storage limitations. (I'd go for 320k)
iPod OUT connection: Note that when you connect your ipod, it's best NOT to use the headphone jack, since that output has been amplified (ie. connected to your AVR it will be double amplified) if you have an apple dock, use its audio out jack, which is unamplified (you will notice that you cannot adjust the volume on the ipod when docked). This will prevent distortion. Yes the headphone jack can be used but sound nasty when played loud.
To connect: On your AVR use any of the AUDIO-IN RCA terminals below DVD audio-in terminals, or on the front panel AUDIO-in.

Mine is an older 40G photo iPod, which supports the same formats you listed. Ultimately, uncompressed wav files would be best, but memory real estate is then an issue.
40GB would give you roughly around 75-80 CDs worth of music in WAV format which would be best for home audio depending on how critical you are with sound quality. OTOH, it's my understanding that the Ipod output is analog so using a CD/DVD player with a digital connection is still the best way to go, if ultimate SQ is the goal.

I downloaded the European firmware for my 3806 and it worked without a hitch. I now have full 7.1 PCM with the Descent and Crank!! Have not noticed any other differences, although there are claims of revisions to Audyssey.

Setting up my Denon 3806 and I can't figure out how to get audio from my CD and DVD player.

I have optical cables going from each player to the Denon, and they're assigned properly in setup. But I get no sound from either device, although the TV (HDMI from a Comcast box) and the tuner play just fine.

The manual is so frustrating that I just want to stick my head in the shredder. Can any of you give me a clue as to what I should check to get audio from the CD and DVD player?

Thanks very much.

D

Setting up my Denon 3806 and I can't figure out how to get audio from my CD and DVD player.

I have optical cables going from each player to the Denon, and they're assigned properly in setup. But I get no sound from either device, although the TV (HDMI from a Comcast box) and the tuner play just fine.

The manual is so frustrating that I just want to stick my head in the shredder. Can any of you give me a clue as to what I should check to get audio from the CD and DVD player?

Thanks very much.

D
On the "Input" button on your remote, hit the soft button until it shows "Auto" on the display to make sure you're getting the digital signal from the player. Otherwise, it may be defaulting to Analog, which you don't have connected.

kidziti,
Format: Obviously rip your music the highest bitrate that meets your storage limitations. (I'd go for 320k)
iPod OUT connection: Note that when you connect your ipod, it's best NOT to use the headphone jack, since that output has been amplified (ie. connected to your AVR it will be double amplified) if you have an apple dock, use its audio out jack, which is unamplified (you will notice that you cannot adjust the volume on the ipod when docked). This will prevent distortion. Yes the headphone jack can be used but sound nasty when played loud.
To connect: On your AVR use any of the AUDIO-IN RCA terminals below DVD audio-in terminals, or on the front panel AUDIO-in.

Thanks, Ed -

I have it running through VDP (I assume without hauling out the manual that stands for Video Disc Player, something I'll likely never get). I also am using the dock base; I didn't think of the double amplification issue without it - great insight! The biggest issue was reprogramming my remote to handle the new Zone 2 modes. I broke out the old 3806 remote to rename the VDP function to iPod, and it was then that I realized why I never use that remote - hit a button somewhere on the soft screen and spent the next 30 minutes trying to figure out why the system would no longer pump sound. That remote should come with an "Undo" button!

On the "Input" button on your remote, hit the soft button until it shows "Auto" on the display to make sure you're getting the digital signal from the player. Otherwise, it may be defaulting to Analog, which you don't have connected.
Thanks very much for this. It's what worked for me when I tried to get audio from the TV, but it didn't do the trick for the CD or DVD player. Video is fine through the DVD.

Have you any other ideas for me to try?

Many thanks for your help.

Thanks very much for this. It's what worked for me when I tried to get audio from the TV, but it didn't do the trick for the CD or DVD player. Video is fine through the DVD.

Have you any other ideas for me to try?

Many thanks for your help.
You've said that you've double-checked the input assignments in your audio setup menu, but that's the only thing I can imagine would be wrong. Is it possible you've got anything assigned as HDMI? That would override either optical or coaxial assignments. Finally, have you checked the menu settings on the players to make sure their digital outputs are assigned?

Hi, I need your help:
I am ready to buy a AVR Denon but I have a question.
Today the 2807 and the 3806 have the same cost, wich is the best?
Analogue-to-Digital Conversion - Bit Depth/Sampling Rate 24-bit/192kHz (3806); front a BB PCM-1804 24-bit/96kHz(2807)
AL24 Processing - All Channels AL24+ (3806) ,front AL24+ on Front L&R (2807)
The 2807 support Biwiring, the 3806 ? (I have Polk RTi 10)
The 2807 Came with Faroudja FLI-2310
Please reply with or suggestions.
Thank you so much.

bump...

Please teach me how to mess with the remote, I can't understand the manual.

Thanks!!!
Kev.

Aaronwt.
Please read Q&A from Audyssey.

Is the microphone calibrated?
Yes, the microphone is calibrated to a 1/4” industry-standard measurement microphone. The correction is applied to the measurements as they are being taken. It is important to use ONLY the designated microphone that comes with the product as the calibration curve built-in to the product is specific to that microphone. It is also critical to point the microphone upwards and to place it at ear height. Any other microphone will have different characteristics and thus will not produce the right results.

http://www.audyssey.com/faq.html#Microphone%20calibrated

or

10) Is the supplied Denon microphone calibrated?

Yes, the Denon microphone is calibrated to a ¼” industry-standard measurement microphone. The correction is applied to the measurements as they are being taken. It is important to use ONLY the microphone that comes with the Denon A/V receiver, as the calibration curve built-in to the receiver is specific to that microphone. It is also critical to point the microphone upwards and to place it at ear height. Any other microphone will have different characteristics and thus will not produce the right results. Denon offers (2) different models of microphones, the DM-S305 (AVR-5805/4806) and DM-S205 (all othe AVRs featuring Auto Setup and Room EQ) microphones have different calibration curves and are NOT interchangeable.

http://usa.denon.com/2439.asp

Kev.


I use the S305 with my 3806. (I bought for my 3805 and that was the only one you could purchse then)It's a better built mic than the S205. I've used both with the 3806 and a 2807 and received similar results with each mic.

Tigerkn;

I wish I still had my manual that came with the pet rock. Just like the pet rock, I have taught my Denon remote to play dead. It won't learn many other tricks.

How do I enable the digital optical out from the reciever ? AVR 3806, I want to send the same signal to 2 sets of stereo systems. My other stereo system recieves an Optical Digital input.

I see it has 2 optical out's, but I cant get them to turn on? What am I missing? I'm trying with the "Tuner" Radio. Nothing fancy. Also tried from HDTV which has optical input to my reciever.

Cant seem to turn it on!

Are you still able to apply PLIIx when it is 5.1 or 6.1 pcm after the firmware update?

Are you still able to apply PLIIx when it is 5.1 or 6.1 pcm after the firmware update?

Yes

Aaronwt.
Please read Q&A from Audyssey.

Is the microphone calibrated?
Yes, the microphone is calibrated to a 1/4” industry-standard measurement microphone. The correction is applied to the measurements as they are being taken. It is important to use ONLY the designated microphone that comes with the product as the calibration curve built-in to the product is specific to that microphone. It is also critical to point the microphone upwards and to place it at ear height. Any other microphone will have different characteristics and thus will not produce the right results.

http://www.audyssey.com/faq.html#Microphone%20calibrated

or

10) Is the supplied Denon microphone calibrated?



Yes, the Denon microphone is calibrated to a ¼” industry-standard measurement microphone. The correction is applied to the measurements as they are being taken. It is important to use ONLY the microphone that comes with the Denon A/V receiver, as the calibration curve built-in to the receiver is specific to that microphone. It is also critical to point the microphone upwards and to place it at ear height. Any other microphone will have different characteristics and thus will not produce the right results. Denon offers (2) different models of microphones, the DM-S305 (AVR-5805/4806) and DM-S205 (all othe AVRs featuring Auto Setup and Room EQ) microphones have different calibration curves and are NOT interchangeable.

http://usa.denon.com/2439.asp

Kev.

At one point they had a press release, I think Summer 2005, that said the DM-S205 was the same as the DM-305 only it had a plastic housing instead of a metal housing. I went by the press release when I decided to keep the S305 that I bought for my 3805. So I used it with the 2807 and the 3806. I did try both models and the results were similar but that was last year when I did that. But The S305 is the only mic I have now since I sold my 2807 and kept the 3806. maybe I can pick an S205 up pretty cheap on Ebay to try it out again. i remember paying $65 for the S305 back in June 2004 from Crutchfield.

For all customers,

Here is the latest AVR-3806 firmware that is posted on the german denon Site

http://rapidshare.com/files/16593896/Firmware_3806.rar


It adds 7.1 pcm over HDMI and the Firmware is al in english.
unzip, instal and execute program, follow the screens.

UPDATE GOES TRUE THE RS-232 POORT (no other way)

Good luck Upgrading.
Use it at own risk. (Flashing is always a risk)

Dutchman01.
Looks simple enough. Question, does the 3806 need to be in the "off"(standby) mode, or "on" as it would be while being used?

For all customers,

Here is the latest AVR-3806 firmware that is posted on the Europe Denon Support Site


Update's to MAIN 00.76 SUB 00.56 DSP 00.45
http://rapidshare.com/files/16593896/Firmware_3806.rar


It adds 7.1 pcm over HDMI and the Firmware is al in english.
unzip, instal and execute program, follow the screens.

UPDATE GOES TRUE THE RS-232 POORT (no other way)

Good luck Upgrading.
Use it at own risk. (Flashing is always a risk)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Looks simple enough. Question, does the 3806 need to be in the "off"(standby) mode, or "on" as it would be while being used?


after the conection between pc and the avr it must be ON

Green light must burning not red.

after the conection between pc and the avr it must be ON

Green light must burning not red.
Okay, thanks, I'll probably give it a try this afternoon.

keenan post your results in the forum after your upgrade.

then others also know how it went.

I have a chance to pick this receiver up at my local Tweeter for $888 for the display. I think that might be a little high. What do you guys think might be a fair price for the display model? I read through some of this thread and it looks like BB had it for $599 last month. Thats a big difference in price.

Hi, I need your help: :o
I am ready to buy a AVR Denon but I have a question.
Today the 2807 and the 3806 have the same cost, wich is the best?
Analogue-to-Digital Conversion - Bit Depth/Sampling Rate 24-bit/192kHz (3806); front a BB PCM-1804 24-bit/96kHz(2807)
AL24 Processing - All Channels AL24+ (3806) ,front AL24+ on Front L&R (2807)
The 2807 support Biwiring, the 3806 ? (I have Polk RTi 10)
The 2807 Came with Faroudja FLI-2310
Please reply with or suggestions.
Thank you so much. :)
__________________
Mario

Hi, I need your help: :o
I am ready to buy a AVR Denon but I have a question.
Today the 2807 and the 3806 have the same cost, wich is the best?
Analogue-to-Digital Conversion - Bit Depth/Sampling Rate 24-bit/192kHz (3806); front a BB PCM-1804 24-bit/96kHz(2807)
AL24 Processing - All Channels AL24+ (3806) ,front AL24+ on Front L&R (2807)
The 2807 support Biwiring, the 3806 ? (I have Polk RTi 10)
The 2807 Came with Faroudja FLI-2310
Please reply with or suggestions.
Thank you so much. :)
__________________
Mario


3806 is the superior unit. The only reason to go 2807 is if you need video scaling capability.

Hi, I need your help: :o
I am ready to buy a AVR Denon but I have a question.
Today the 2807 and the 3806 have the same cost, wich is the best?
Analogue-to-Digital Conversion - Bit Depth/Sampling Rate 24-bit/192kHz (3806); front a BB PCM-1804 24-bit/96kHz(2807)
AL24 Processing - All Channels AL24+ (3806) ,front AL24+ on Front L&R (2807)
The 2807 support Biwiring, the 3806 ? (I have Polk RTi 10)
The 2807 Came with Faroudja FLI-2310
Please reply with or suggestions.
Thank you so much. :)
__________________
Mario

They will sound identical and they both will support bi-wiring. Flip a coin to choose if you must, and remember that bi-wiring does not accomplish anything other than adding a bunch of extra wires.

Nick

Nick,

I believe that Mbalari meant BI-AMPING, not bi-wiring, as such does not depend on the AVR, but on the speakers instead.

Yes, you can BI-AMP the 3806 and IMHO it's a better bet, if compared to the 2807.

Cheers.

They will sound identical and they both will support bi-wiring. Nick
It's just not true that the 2807 and 3806 sound identical. I've compared. To name just a few factors, they have different power ratings, processing chips and the availability of DenonLink. The latter, if you're using the receiver with a higher end Denon DVD player, provides a superior digital signal coming into the receiver. As previously stated, the one advantage to the 2807 is the video scaling, if you want your receiver to do that job rather than your player or monitor.

They definitely don't sound identical. i bought a 2807 to replace my 3805 and ended getting a 3806 instead since it sounded like the 3805. The 3806 sounded slightly better than the 2807 and it was noticeable when doing a A/B comparison.

The 2807 doesn't have a video scaler. The Faroudja chip is used for de-interlacing only so it will de-interlace 480i/576i analog sources but not scale them. If you want scaling you need to move up to the 4306.

So did anyone install this firmware yet? I was gonig to download it last night but forgot about it. Not sure if I'm brave enough to install the firmware since it really isn't supported in the US.

as far as i can see in the source of the .bin file there is no reason to not update on US unit.

It should work 100% on all markets models.

this is the same for 4306 firmware.

Firmware's are for all units over the world only the hardware are a little different on some points, not the firmware's.

How to check your firmware on the AVR-3806

1) power off (true the little on/off switch)
2) hold Surround Params and Status buttons at the same time
3) power on (true the little on/off switch)
4) release Surround Params and Status buttons
5) press Status button to see various revision info
I'm afraid that didn't work. :(

I'm afraid that didn't work. :(

Are you sure about that?

did you wait when releasing buttons point 2 till unit power licht is green?
that takes about 3 seconds.

I believe I did, but I'll try again tonight making sure to do so.

I have a Toshiba XA2. Does the 3806 pass the 1080p signal source on the HD DVD through the receiver to my display (a Mits 1080p display.) The manual was a bit vague to me on this point. Also, what version is HDMI on the 3806?

The 3806 passes 1080P60 from the PS3 so it should pass it from the XA2.

Well I just installed that new firmware. Now I can get 7.1 pcm over HDMI from the PS3. Now the display shows MULTI CH IN 7.1
I need to redo the audessey setup and relabel all my inputs but it definitely works. I'm using the Monoprice HDMI splitter. I'm going from the PS3 to the splitter, then one output goes to the 3806 and the other goes to my VP50. When I tried going through the VP50 first I couldn't get 7.1. I had to go to the receiver before going to the VP50.

I'm going to have to take the HDMI splitter out and have the PS3 go straight to the 3806. The Monoprice splitter isn't passing all 8 channels. I'll have to connect things differently.

I'm running it straight to my VP50 now. It is passing the 7.1 the VP50 just gets stuck in whatever mode it was previously in so I have to switch to another input and switch back. Hopefully my Connectgear splitter will show up soon since I'm having problems with the Monoprice splitter.

The 3806 does sound excellent with 7.1 PCM. Better than the 2807. I was apprehensive about doing the upgrade at first, but now that I hear the results, I'm glad I did it. It upgraded in three sections. The first two went very quickly but third section took a few minutes to finish. When you start the upgrade the first thing it does is go in what looks like standby mode where the power light turns red. It says something like reboot for upgrade on the screen. So don't be alarmed when it does that. And it stays that way throughout the update.

I'm afraid that didn't work. :(

Your right about that,

It works only on the AVR-4306

Sorry for that wrong information.
(Gues i'm still human.)


Does someone knows (Please Report) than how to check firmware info on AVR-3806?

Did anyone else update the firmware?

I too have updated the denon 3806, thanks to epsilon. The upgrade is really easy a little nerve raking of a but everytime you flash something you risk something. My dvd player that i use is the PS3, unfortunately i do not have any 7.1 movies, YET. I did test it with the "300" trailer 7.1 works perfect. I have a 6.1 movie but the ps3 only allows 5.1 and 7.1.
So if i want to listen to 6.1 i have to use my xbox360.
I hope the new upgrade for the ps3 takes care of this bug.

Thanks

Alonso

For all customers,

Here is the latest AVR-3806 firmware that is posted on the Europe Denon Support Site


Update's to MAIN 00.76 SUB 00.56 DSP 00.45
http://rapidshare.com/files/16593896/Firmware_3806.rar


It adds 7.1 pcm over HDMI and the Firmware is al in english.
unzip, instal and execute program, follow the screens.

UPDATE GOES TRUE THE RS-232 POORT (no other way)

Good luck Upgrading.
Use it at own risk. (Flashing is always a risk)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Did you mention it a few pages back - don't see it - but where are the english instructions?

I too have updated the denon 3806, thanks to epsilon. The upgrade is really easy a little nerve raking of a but everytime you flash something you risk something. My dvd player that i use is the PS3, unfortunately i do not have any 7.1 movies, YET. I did test it with the "300" trailer 7.1 works perfect. I have a 6.1 movie but the ps3 only allows 5.1 and 7.1.
So if i want to listen to 6.1 i have to use my xbox360.
I hope the new upgrade for the ps3 takes care of this bug.

Thanks

Alonso
I didn't realize the 300 trailer is 7.1. Is that a recent trailer or the one from a few weeks ago? I have it from a few weeks ago and it doesn't sound like anything is coming from the rears. When I tried Crank and The Descent, I was definitely getting sound from the 4 rear speakers from the 7.1 pcm.

I just hooked up my 7.1 from 5.1 and when playing a disk with DDEX it flags it but the surround mode is Dolby Digital PLIIx cinema and not Dolby Digital EX. If I press the surround back button it will not allow it to be changed, unless I set the AFDM mode to off and then it will allow me to scroll through the surround modes. Why does it select the cinema mode?

I didn't realize the 300 trailer is 7.1. Is that a recent trailer or the one from a few weeks ago? I have it from a few weeks ago and it doesn't sound like anything is coming from the rears. When I tried Crank and The Descent, I was definitely getting sound from the 4 rear speakers from the 7.1 pcm.


Well actually now that i think, i did not get up and listen if sound where coming form the back surrounds. I did notice that my 3806 did say it was playing 7.1.
I will test again tonight and let you know.

Thanks

Alonso

Here's hoping someone will drop into this thread and let us know how to check the firmware version on the '3806. :)

I did the firmware update. It went very smoothly. I haven't really had a chance to test it out, other than verifying that it now takes 7.1 PCM (as evidenced by enabling 7.1 output on the PS3).

I did the firmware update. It went very smoothly. I haven't really had a chance to test it out, other than verifying that it now takes 7.1 PCM (as evidenced by enabling 7.1 output on the PS3).Would you mind translating the instructions in english?

Please excuse my ignorance. I have a 3806 connected to Directv HR10-250 via HDMI connected to Sony monitor via HDMI. Can the 3806 output HDMI and component from the same source at the same time?

Would you mind translating the instructions in english?

I'd translate, but I don't know German.

You could type in sections to babelfish on altavista.

as far as directions... I connected the receiver to my computer's serial port, I ran the installer, double clicked the icon it placed on my desktop, selected the correct serial port, clicked the check communication button... after that it popped up a dialog that communication was OK, I clicked update and waited maybe 15 minutes for it to finish.

I didn't find it terribly difficult... though I'd advise that if you're so uncomfortable with the process of updating the firmware that you want the instructions translated, maybe you should wait until the US version is released and send your unit in.

I'd translate, but I don't know German.

You could type in sections to babelfish on altavista.

as far as directions... I connected the receiver to my computer's serial port, I ran the installer, double clicked the icon it placed on my desktop, selected the correct serial port, clicked the check communication button... after that it popped up a dialog that communication was OK, I clicked update and waited maybe 15 minutes for it to finish.

I didn't find it terribly difficult... though I'd advise that if you're so uncomfortable with the process of updating the firmware that you want the instructions translated, maybe you should wait until the US version is released and send your unit in.Thanks. That's all I need to know when I asked for instructions.

I didn't realize the 300 trailer is 7.1. Is that a recent trailer or the one from a few weeks ago? I have it from a few weeks ago and it doesn't sound like anything is coming from the rears. When I tried Crank and The Descent, I was definitely getting sound from the 4 rear speakers from the 7.1 pcm.


Well went home to listen to speakers but no sound is coming form rear speakers.

Do anybody know a good movie (bluray or DVD) that has 7.1 surround sound?

THanks

How do I enable the digital optical out from the reciever ? AVR 3806, I want to send the same signal to 2 sets of stereo systems. My other stereo system recieves an Optical Digital input.

I see it has 2 optical out's, but I cant get them to turn on? What am I missing? I'm trying with the "Tuner" Radio. Nothing fancy. Also tried from HDTV which has optical input to my reciever.

Cant seem to turn it on!

Did this question get answered?

Thanks. I have the same problem, trying to run wireless headphones.

I just recieved my denon 3806. After reading the manual a couple of times I went ahead and plugged in speakers. Finally got it to auto adjust speakers after 4 different configurations. I put center to "center input" front to "front input"
my 2 rear speakers I assumed went to "surround rear" Well, got the rear speakers on "surround A" and walla! They auto adjusted. The maual leaves alot to be desired but after many hours I finally got it working and it sounds great!! I was having problems getting sound thru HDMI connectors until I found input would finally do the job. So, now I have great sound and picture. But,,,My sony reciever had a bunch of surround modes and I can't seem to find them on this reciever. It's set on dolby right now and sounds good but I just wanted to check out other modes. If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. My Components: Dish VIP 211 HD Reciever-Denon DVD 557-Toshiba 72MX196 DLP. Speakers are all Cerwin Vega high end 4ohm. Manual says nothing below 6ohm but if you go to denons site under FAQ's they say the reciever handles 4ohm no problem. Anyhow,,thanks for all the great info here folks. Gone to watch a movie!!!

Peter,

in case such an answer hasn't been replied, note that you can not pass digital signals to the second and/or third zones; only analog though.

Rdl,

congrats on your new purchase. I'm sure you'll enjoy it for years to come!
If you want to access the surround modes, just press key SIMU on remote (back lit key on soft touch pad) and you'll be able to hear different sounds, though.
Same procedure to stereo, pure direct, game DPLIIx for music, movies, etc...
Remote should be set to AMP mode for that.

Hope this helps.
Cheers.

Like most of you, I assume, I have my AVR set to automatically detect what dolby mode the incoming signal is. A lot of the HD shows I watch are Dolby Digital, while most others are Prologic II. Lately, I've noticed that EVERYTHING is Prologic II, and the only way to get the AVR to automatically detect and play Dolby Digital is to reset (reboot) the Motorola 6412 STB. Admittedly, while the entire stack and TV are powered off when not in use, I keep the Moto 6412 juiced since when it's been powered off it takes an hour for the Comcast guide to repopulate. So perhaps this discussion belongs in the Moto forum (I may crosspost), but I know that many of you with the 3806 also have the Moto 6412. Have you noticed this phenomenon/bug?

Lee

All OTA HD is DD. The question is whether it is 2.0 or 5.1. When you're watching an HD show and the 3806 goes to PLII it's DD2.0. I personally use PLIIx cinema on everything except 7.1PCM and 6.1 DTS discrete becasue you can't apply PLIIx when those are input.

All OTA HD is DD. The question is whether it is 2.0 or 5.1. When you're watching an HD show and the 3806 goes to PLII it's DD2.0. I personally use PLIIx cinema on everything except 7.1PCM and 6.1 DTS discrete becasue you can't apply PLIIx when those are input.

Yes - you are correct, not trying to put too fine a point on it. But I was referring to the mode labels on the 3806 display ("DOLBY DIGITAL" vs. "DOLBY PLII cine"). Essentially, when a 5.1 Dolby encoded audio signal is detected, the receiver automatically invokes the former (DD), whereas when 2.0 signals are detected, Pro Logic mode is invoked to create a post-processed "pseudo" 5.1. I am curious why you would use PLII Prologic "on everything" - assuming that includes Dolby Digital (5.1). Afterall, DD is already 5.1, so why reprocess the signal with Pro Logic?

My original question remains - has anyone noticed that the 6412 STB requires rebooting to get the auto surround working again in the 3806?

My original question remains - has anyone noticed that the 6412 STB requires rebooting to get the auto surround working again in the 3806?
Yes, it's a known bug with the piece of crap otherwise known as Motorola DCT-6412. Has nothing to do with your receiver. See the wikipedia entry on the Motorola DVR bugs (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/How_to_use_a_Motorola_DVR/Bugs) for further info on all known bugs, including this one (and there are quite a few of them).

Here's hoping someone will drop into this thread and let us know how to check the firmware version on the '3806. :)

Has anyone ever found out how to check the firmware version on the 3806?

Greetings!
Thanks all who have contributed positively to this very informative thread!
I have purchased a Samsung HL-S6187W 61" DLP, a Toshiba HD XA2 HD DVD player and a Denon AVR 3806.
My main goal is to get the best possible picure, and to take advantage of the advanced audio codecs available with HD DVD.
I will be having a ISF calibrator coming over to work his magic, so the TV will be calibrated to each input source (HD DVD, Dish Network HD DVR 611, cable) which will preclude me from hooking up each source to the Denon 3806 and the to the Samsung via single HDMI interface.
Being a big fan of as direct a signal path as possible, this vexes me a bit, but the trade off in picture quality obtained by the TV calibrated to each input source should outweigh the benefit of singal HDMI connection.
From my understanding, I have two options for hooking up the Toshiba XA2 to the Denon 3806:

1) Use the 8 channel analog outs of the XA2 to the Denon 3806
or
2) Find a high quality HDMI switch/spiltter

The problem with #1, I am not sure the 3806 will do advanced digital signal processing via the 8 channel analogs. After two conversations with Denon tech, I have two differnt answers. One said yes, DSP is available, and second says no, signal will just be pass through. Maybe I should call one more time and see who breaks the tie;)

Seriously, I want to use the DSP funstions of the 3806 AVR, not the ones built into the XA2, as I belive the Denon's to be far more flexible, if not superior. I am leaning towards believing that the 3806 DOES NOT process analog 8 in. That seems to be a function of the THX certified (part of that certification requirement) Denon models 4806 and 5805, hence the severe increase in cost for those two units.

The problem with option 2 is finding a high quality switch. I have done zero research for them. Price really is not an object, as I will pay a premium to assure best signal. Nothing fancy, just a simple switch. I have two HDMI ins on the Denon and two on the Samsung, so think that two 1x2 switches (one for the Toshiba HD DVD) and one for the Dish Network 611 would do for now. However, sould I aquire more HDMI sources..........

I have not yet hooked all this stuff up, as I am at the tail end of a remodel that will house my new home theater. Not a dedicated room, just a living room. All this equipment is still in the boxes, just waiting for the day...

I was hoping someone here might have some advise or experience with my proposed setup, as well as where to start looking if the switch seems to be the answer.

Thanks in advance for your time and trouble...
Best,
James W Barron
snowtrooper1966@hotmail.com

I am curious why you would use PLII Prologic "on everything" - assuming that includes Dolby Digital (5.1). Afterall, DD is already 5.1, so why reprocess the signal with Pro Logic?

aaronwt specified that he uses PLIIx Cinema on everything. That produces 7.1 from 2.0-5.1.

On my 3806 here in Australia I turned off the amp, press and held status and room eq buttons while turning amp back on. Then I pressed status button to read firmware versions. Mine are main: 00.56, sub: 00.42 and dsp: 00.43. Not sure if that means my amp can recieve 7.1 PCM via HDMI or not though. I purchased my amp in November 2006.

yeah that works. After i did the upgrade says
main 7.6
subm 5.6
dsp 4.5.

Rember you have to power off complety the unit.

Thanks

Alonso

Hmmm...I've got a different version than indicated in either of the last two posts:

Main: Ver. 00.59
Sub: Ver. 00.49
DSP: Ver. 00.45

How would I check whether that's got the latest 7.1 capabilities? If not, where and how can the new firmware be obtained and installed?

Hmmm...I've got a different version than indicated in either of the last two posts:

Main: Ver. 00.59
Sub: Ver. 00.49
DSP: Ver. 00.45

How would I check whether that's got the latest 7.1 capabilities? If not, where and how can the new firmware be obtained and installed?
There's a link in the following post. I DL'ed but haven't done the upgrade as I've been too lazy to re-do all my settings. It looks like a fairly simple procedure.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9783484#post9783484
Denon 3806 Owners Thread - AVS Forum

Hmmm...I've got a different version than indicated in either of the last two posts:

Main: Ver. 00.59
Sub: Ver. 00.49
DSP: Ver. 00.45

How would I check whether that's got the latest 7.1 capabilities? If not, where and how can the new firmware be obtained and installed?


Mine are:

Main: 00.52
Sub: 00.41
DSP: 00.43

I downloaded the Firmware to flash, but cannot get a serial connection to work. I install the firmware, ran a serial cable between the PC and AVR, clicked on "test connection", and got a "communication NG!" error. I have tried every comm port on 3 different computers running XP now, with the same results. I have tried with the Denon in the "ON", "POWER SAVE", and "OFF" states to make the connection. The serial cable I borrowed from a 3com switch - it was new in wrapping, but I suppose it could be defective, or maybe the rs232 port on the Denon is bad? Are there specific settings needed for the comm port outside the windows defaults?

Hmmm...I've got a different version than indicated in either of the last two posts:

Main: Ver. 00.59
Sub: Ver. 00.49
DSP: Ver. 00.45

How would I check whether that's got the latest 7.1 capabilities? If not, where and how can the new firmware be obtained and installed?

I upgraded the firmware on mine a few eeeks ago. I just checked and mine shows
Main ver 00.76
Sub ver 00.56
DSP ver 00.45

I didn't have 7.1 pcm capability prior to the firmware upgrade. I was planning on getting a 3808 or 4308 later this year, but since the firmware upgrade I don't know what either of the new receivers will offer me. The HD DVD/BD players already decode most of the codecs if not all by this Summer.

Anyone have some insight to my post # 1939?
Thanks,
snowtrooper1966

The 3806 doesn't do any processing on the analog inputs. FOr a 1x2 splitter you can get the Monoprice or the Connectgear. I've had problems with my Monprice though, I need to get an exchange. My first ConnectGear had a problem but they quickly replaced it. The second one is fine. It's under $100 and smaller. For a switch you can get a 3x1 Monoprice Switch for a good price that will work very well. I only use 1 HDMI input on my HLR Samsung, but I have everything run through my VP50. My TV was calibrated to the HD DVD player with the other sources adjusted through the scaler adjustments.

I upgraded the firmware on mine a few eeeks ago. I just checked and mine shows
Main ver 00.76
Sub ver 00.56
DSP ver 00.45

I didn't have 7.1 pcm capability prior to the firmware upgrade. I was planning on getting a 3808 or 4308 later this year, but since the firmware upgrade I don't know what either of the new receivers will offer me. The HD DVD/BD players already decode most of the codecs if not all by this Summer.

AaronWt, is the Firmware free? What is the price?

Peter,

in case such an answer hasn't been replied, note that you can not pass digital signals to the second and/or third zones; only analog though.



If you have a CD player hooked up with a digital connection only, it will play fine in the main zone. Will that signal go to zone 2 or zone 3 in analog, or will you get no sound from zone 2/3 when playing a digital source?

Chris

AaronWt, is the Firmware free? What is the price?
It was downloaded from the European site. It is free. It isn't on the Us site though. Someone posted the link earlier in the thread.

My problem is how to get audio out for SD DVDs on the Toshiba XA2. I have no problems with HD DVDs (the 3806 is set for Multi channel input). The problem is when viewing SD DVDs I get the picture via HDMI but no audio. Toshiba is set for Auto for audio (for HDMI). The 3806 is set for Audio assign HDMI. The XA2 is HDMI 1.3 but shouldn't this be backward compatable?

It works with the A2 and A1 over HDMI. I know the few times I tried it from an SD dvd it would send the encoded DD and encoded DTS to the 3806 which would then do the decoding. Although I think there is also a setting where the HD DVD player decodes the Dd and DTS from the DVD and sends it as pcm like with HD DVD and the advanced codecs.

It was downloaded from the European site. It is free. It isn't on the Us site though. Someone posted the link earlier in the thread.

aaronwt,

When I visited this site, I was presented with a PayPal icon to pay a fee. I don't mind paying a small fee, but I always have a lot of Red Tape hassles when I try to use PayPal. Could you post the URL of the download site you used?

When I first got the AVR306 I never had any problems. Recently I've upgrade my projector, got a Xbox360, and various other things. I hadnt used my PC connection for quite a while. And no I cant seem to get any image setup.

For people that are using a HTPC are their any settings you've got setup? I've got an ATI 1850 card, and X-fi card (Used Optical Coaxil digital cable). USed to work fine, but now I'm getting nothing at all.

Main thing I notice, when I used to turn my reciever on, my screen would tell me "Connected Denon AVR" something along those lines. I cant get that to appear anymore when I Turn it on and off. Do I have to use a specific function within the denon reciever? (Like TV/DVD/Etc? I've tried VCR1, VCR1, Aux V no luck). I've also tried HDMI 1 & 2 ports, no luck. Anyone have some trouble shooting advice? This is such a headache and I'd like to get my pc set back up again.

I don't know what I did but when I go to setup the onscreen display is no longer there. Any suggestions on how to get it back. I have my 3806 connected to a Mitsubishi display. I don't have problems with my audio or video for my HD DVD player or Dish box I just can't get the onscreen display menu on my monitor. Connected by HDMI.

I don't know what I did but when I go to setup the onscreen display is no longer there. Any suggestions on how to get it back. I have my 3806 connected to a Mitsubishi display. I don't have problems with my audio or video for my HD DVD player or Dish box I just can't get the onscreen display menu on my monitor. Connected by HDMI.
I think there's a video on/off button on the remote??

I think there's a video on/off button on the remote??

I have tried the OSD button on remote and it doesn't do a thing. I read that if video upconvert is not selected to "on" in the video setup screen the OSD will not display. I went into setup on the 3806 and used the display window on the unit and into the video setup from units disploay. Upconvert is on.

Have you tried just a straight connection, like maybe S-video to the display, to make sure the OSD is actually working?

I'm going on a poor memory here of when I had the same problem with my previous 3805 and it turned out to be a button had been pressed inadvertently, but it sounds like you've checked that. I still use the S-video connection with my 3806 so I'm not going to be much help I'm afraid.

<edit>Just remembered something else, do you have Direct or Pure Direct on? I think that shuts off the display as well.

I sucessfully upgraded the firmware on my 3806 using the file that I got from link posted by the German guy (Thanks! I don't remember your name). I had to use an older laptop from work that had a serial port. (My IBM thinkpad that is my main computer now doesn't have a serial port). I also found a straight through 9 pin to 9 pin serial cable from work in our "junk closet" of old equipment.

The upgrade was easy. First you have to decompress the .rar file. Winzip or Windows XP will not decompress a .rar file, but do a google search on "Winrar". There is a "free to try" version of Winrar that will decompress it. This gives you two files. A .pdf that is in German. I don't read German, but I could make out enough to tell that I would need a straight thru serial cable (RS232). And you need to set the port speed to 115,xxx bps (I don't remember the exact number, but it is the next to highest setting on the laptop I was using.

The other file is an executable file that you run and it runs a Windows based installation. It puts a shortcut to the new executable that you run to start the firmware upgrade.

Double click on this desktop shortcut and up pops a box that allows you to select the COM port you are attaching to (default is COM1). So, at this point, I powered down the Denon 3806, plugged in the serial cable to the port on the back of the 3806, plugged the other end into the serial port on the back of the laptop I was using. I made sure that all power saving modes were disabled on the laptop and that the laptop was plugged in. Also, the laptop battery was fully charged.

Then I hit the small power button on the Denon, (turns on the red light around the big power button) then hit the big power button and waited for the green light and the clicks.

Then, on the laptop, I clicked on the button that says "Test Communication". Yes, all the words after you start the program are in English, not German. It almost immediately said "Communication OK". Then you click on the "Update" button. At this point there is no turning back, it immediately begins the update. It doesn't ask for confirmation such as "Are you sure Y/N". The first thing that happens is that it turns the receiver back off, leaving the red light on. Then there are 3 sections that it updates. If I remember correctly, the first one said something like "Main", the second one was "LFE" and the third one was "DSP". The third one took the longest of the three. In total, it took about 10 minutes. There is a little progress bar for each section. When it is finished, it turns the receiver back on. Of course all of your previous settings are gone. You have to start over from scratch.


I haven't had time to rerun the auto setup to see if the Audessey stuff works any better. My first go rounds with Audessey were disappointing. With the Audessey EQ turned on, everyone sounded nasal and hollow. There were some serious "suck outs" right in the male voice frequency ranges.

I'll post back my experiences after I rerun the auto setup.

Nice that the update works like a sharm.

Hope you enjoy your AVR-3806.

Excellent, I have to try this out myself!

I downloaded the Firmware to flash, but cannot get a serial connection to work. I install the firmware, ran a serial cable between the PC and AVR, clicked on "test connection", and got a "communication NG!" error. I have tried every comm port on 3 different computers running XP now, with the same results. I have tried with the Denon in the "ON", "POWER SAVE", and "OFF" states to make the connection. The serial cable I borrowed from a 3com switch - it was new in wrapping, but I suppose it could be defective, or maybe the rs232 port on the Denon is bad? Are there specific settings needed for the comm port outside the windows defaults?

It might be that the 9pin cable that came with your 3com switch is a null modem cable. In that case it's the cable not your PC or 3806. Try finding a regular pass-through 9-pin rs232 cable and see what happens.

Mike

Nice that the update works like a sharm.

Hope you enjoy your AVR-3806.

Sorry, I referred to you as "German". I forgot that you were Dutch.

This is off topic, but my wife and I went to Budapest, Hungary last Summer to visit my daughter who was there studying abroad for one semester. Anyway, we changed planes in Amsterdam going there, and again coming back.

I love the Dutch people. They all seem very friendly and everyone is so tall! I love to hear someone from the Netherlands speaking English. I love the accent.

Robert

I can't easily see the back of my 3806. Is the RS232 port on the unit, Male or Female?

Female

Sorry, I referred to you as "German". I forgot that you were Dutch.

This is off topic, but my wife and I went to Budapest, Hungary last Summer to visit my daughter who was there studying abroad for one semester. Anyway, we changed planes in Amsterdam going there, and again coming back.

I love the Dutch people. They all seem very friendly and everyone is so tall! I love to hear someone from the Netherlands speaking English. I love the accent.

Robert

Amsterdam is a nice city, i do live about 50 miles from there, holland is not so big.
I do there sometimes some shoping and going to eat in a good restaurant overthere.

Thanks for all the nice words Robert,

Dutchman.

I am sorry if this is a dumb question but I have been reading through the long post and am not seeing my exact answer.

I currently have a pioneer receiver that I am wanting to upgrade with the Denon. Right now I use a HTPC with TheaterTek to watch my movies in my TV room. I have a 7.1 set of Revel Concerta Speakers. Right now I am using an X-fi to output sound over Spdif. Everything works ok but I think I am losing some potential.

Would it be a better choice to upgrade to the Denon and use the 7.1 analog out of the x-fi instead of the spdif? All of my movies are ripped to the hard drive so the discs don't get damaged, but I don't want to lose any surround sound. I also would like to listen to my flac files in the TV room over 7.1. Is this possible? ( I know the source is not 7.1 but will the denon have an emulated 7.1 mode?)

Another issue that I am trying to wrap my brain around is how to listen to 7.1 in the TV room, but be able to listen to the same source but in Stereo in another room. Any way to do this with the denon also?

Sorry for the questions and if this is not the right forum let me know!

Thanks!

You'll probably have better luck in either the Audio Theory, Set-up and Chat forum here or the AV Home Distribution forum, but here's a stab at a couple of your questions:
You can certainly use the analog inputs (Ext. In) of the Denon as long as all the digital processing is done at the source level.
The Denon AVR 3806 does have Zone 2 and Zone 3 features. You can use the Denon's amplification for a remote set of speakers as long as you're not using the surround back terminals either in a 7.1 set-up or to bi-amp the front speakers in a 5.1 configuration. If you are bi-amping, you can still use the Denon's "pre-outs" to an outboard amp to power stereo speakers in another room. The only limitation is that you can only send analog audio sources to the Zone 2 stereo speakers.
Hope that helps, at least in part.

Thanks for the tips! I wasn't sure if this was the right place or not. I think that answered most of my questions!

Thanks again!

aaronwt,

When I visited this site, I was presented with a PayPal icon to pay a fee. I don't mind paying a small fee, but I always have a lot of Red Tape hassles when I try to use PayPal. Could you post the URL of the download site you used?

Here is the link from the Dutchman post. I just checked the link and it is a free download still. You just have to wait a minute and then enter the code they give you to download it free. The Paypal payment is to get a premium account instead of a free one.


Originally Posted by Dutchman01
For all customers,

Here is the latest AVR-3806 firmware that is posted on the german denon Site

http://rapidshare.com/files/16593896/Firmware_3806.rar


It adds 7.1 pcm over HDMI and the Firmware is al in english.
unzip, instal and execute program, follow the screens.

UPDATE GOES TRUE THE RS-232 POORT (no other way)

Good luck Upgrading.
Use it at own risk. (Flashing is always a risk)

Dutchman01.

I have a set of Paradigm Reference Studio 100v4's as mains and a CC-690 center running off a Denon-3806. I've just upgraded to these mains from the Studio 60v3's. While I don't have any reference for listening yet, my concern is that the Studio 100's and the CC-690 are so big they'll need a seperate amp. I'm not concerned with running my surrounds off a seperate amp.

Are any of you guys running large mains and a large center off your 3806? What is your experience?

Have any of you switched to a seperate amp for your mains and/or center? What is your experience?

Question... what does the 3806 do to HDMI video if I am feeding in 1080p@24? Does it just pass it through without touching it (I hope!)?

Question... what does the 3806 do to HDMI video if I am feeding in 1080p@24? Does it just pass it through without touching it (I hope!)?

Yes it just passes it through. Works perfectly connected to my HPMD6580N RPTV.

Aaronwt,

I've got the software, I got it by PM from a fellow AVS member. I've installed the software on one of my laptops and connected the serial ports. I've been taking my time before running the program so that I can thoroughly document all my present settings before hand.

Aaronwt,

I've got the software, I got it by PM from a fellow AVS member. I've installed the software on one of my laptops and connected the serial ports. I've been taking my time before running the program so that I can thoroughly document all my present settings before hand.
That's why I haven't done it yet either, I'm not looking forward to having to reset everything. :p

It's definitely worth though to get the 7.1 pcm over HDMI. Just make sure you don't lose power during the firmware upgrade. I always have my receiver on a UPS so it wasn't a problem for me. But if it's not connected to a UPS and there is a power glitch or outage I don't know if it would mess up the receiver or not to lose power during the upgrade.

Well, Netflix just sent me a BluRay title by mistake, so I guess that is as good an excuse as any to upgrade the 3806 and.....actually go out and buy a PS3.... :D

I've updated the 3806 Firmware without a hitch. I followed the instrutions offered by TN_Polk_Lover and it worked perfectly. Since then I've made one pass at setting up the Virgin AVR and have had a problem getting the thing to recognize my back surrounds. I'm pretty sure I am making some sort of human error that's causing this snafu. It really has been a long time since I set up one of these puppies. Hopefully I can get this all dialed in soon.

This is from a very old thread, but could someone please confirm if the statement below is surely true, because I plan to purchase HDMI cable to replace my component cable which is currently run for my video signal from Motorola cable box to TV directly. But, if it's true then I would not waist my time and $$$$$

Thanks Greg for helping out, I just want to confirm.

Kevin

=gfbuchanan ..................Converting from Component to HDMI (digital) in the 3806 should not improve your picture. Any time you go through a conversion (digital/analog or analog/analog), you will lose some quality. How much you lose depends on what the conversion is, how many times you do the conversion and how good the converting equipment is................ Greg

This is from a very old thread, but could someone please confirm if the statement below is surely true, because I plan to purchase HDMI cable to replace my component cable which is currently run for my video signal from Motorola cable box to TV directly. But, if it's true then I would not wait my time and $$$$$That poster is correct. If you rely on any A/V receiver (aside from high-end units like Anthem D2) to convert or process your video, degradation will occur.

Running a HDMI cable directly from the Motorola STB/DVR is very different. The signal starts out as digital (i.e. same thing you get with HDMI) in the Motorola STB. The Motorola STB converts the digital signal to analog for output through component.

Depending on your display, you may see a small improvement in detail by running a HDMI cable from your STB/DVR to the TV. You would not get this improvement if you ran a component cable from the STB/DVR to the receiver and then HDMI output from the receiver to the TV. Understand the difference?

Any improvement seen with HDMI will be subtle. Never spend more than $20 on a digital cable. You can order quality HDMI cable for $15 from Monoprice.com.

This is from a very old thread, but could someone please confirm if the statement below is surely true, because I plan to purchase HDMI cable to replace my component cable which is currently run for my video signal from Motorola cable box to TV directly. But, if it's true then I would not wait my time and $$$$$

Thanks Greg for helping out, I just want to confirm.

Kevin

There are several things about your situation worth considering. First, if your cable box is capable of outputting an HDMI feed, that HDMI digital feed will pass through the 3806 undisturbed. No subsequent D/A or A/D processing would occur. If, on the other hand, you were limited to an analogue component feed to the Denon, the 3806 could/would digitize that feed suitable for transmitting on HDMI to the TV. In this process, no upscaling or down resing would occur. Just straight analogue A/D. Now it's well known that A/D conversions can be done as perfectly as you like, so long as an appropriately spec'd converter is employed. Finally, most of the modern TVs are, themselves, digital and must necessarily convert any incoming analogue signals to digital before displaying them. There is no getting around this at all. The DLP based TV, for example, even march the digital bits out directly to the eye, in the form of Pulse Width modulated digital data.

That poster is correct. If you rely on any A/V receiver (aside from high-end units like Anthem D2) to convert or process your video, degradation will occur.

Running a HDMI cable directly from the Motorola STB/DVR is very different. The signal starts out as digital (i.e. same thing you get with HDMI) in the Motorola STB. The Motorola STB converts the digital signal to analog for output through component.

Depending on your display, you may see a small improvement in detail by running a HDMI cable from your STB/DVR to the TV. You would not get this improvement if you ran a component cable from the STB/DVR to the receiver and then HDMI output from the receiver to the TV. Understand the difference?

Any improvement seen with HDMI will be subtle. Never spend more than $20 on a digital cable. You can order quality HDMI cable for $15 from Monoprice.com.

I think the OP is considering running an HDMI feed to the Denon, then an HDMI out the Denon to the TV. Absolutely no degradation occurs in this process. Also A/D conversions are not, in and of themselves, degrading. A designer can deterministically choose the exact performance level he requires. If one is to make a plausible assertion about degraded signals, one needs to speak about the particular A/D converter module and its specifications.

[QUOTE=john stephens]...If, on the other hand, you were limited to an analogue component feed to the Denon, the 3806 could/would digitize that feed suitable for transmitting on HDMI to the TV. In this process, no upscaling or down resing would occur. Just straight analogue A/D. Now it's well known that A/D conversions can be done as perfectly as you like, so long as an appropriately spec'd converter is employed. Finally, most of the modern TVs are, themselves, digital and must necessarily convert any incoming analogue signals to digital before displaying them. There is no getting around this at all.QUOTE]
So, if I understand what you're saying correctly, it doesn't matter that I'm using component cables, rather than the available HDMI connection, from my STB to the Denon, which then goes out to the TV via HDMI? I do this because, as documented early on in this thread, many 3806's can't pass HDMI signals from certain STB's, meaning you have to go component to HDMI if you want to use your receiver for switching.
It sure would make me feel better to know I'm not sacrificing any video quality in that process.

thx guys for quick respond!!!

[QUOTE]
So, if I understand what you're saying correctly, it doesn't matter that I'm using component cables, rather than the available HDMI connection, from my STB to the Denon, which then goes out to the TV via HDMI? I do this because, as documented early on in this thread, many 3806's can't pass HDMI signals from certain STB's, meaning you have to go component to HDMI if you want to use your receiver for switching.
It sure would make me feel better to know I'm not sacrificing any video quality in that process.

S2silber,

I am not saying that at all. Here is the situation as controlled by the content providers. The digital data out of their players is pristine, perfectly replicable were it not HDCP etc. The players themselves, provide analogue component signals which are, let us say, slightly less than perfect. For example, you can't get a 1080P out of the component port of a BD player etc. But what ever they present on the component port can be digitized as accururately as you desire. But remember the proviso, garbage in; garbage out. So the component signals are somewhat less in quality but not because of what you did to them but because they were presented in that way.

Want to upgrade from AVR-1804 to the 3806 or the 2807. On-line dealers (not Denon authorized) are offering these receivers ("New in box "A" stock") for $890.00 and $840.00. Is it worth the warranty risk to save the money? Are third party warranties worth the paper they are written on? Appreciate any advice.

Current System
Sony 60" Rear Projection HDTV
Denon AVR-1804
Pioneer DVL-919
Sony 5 Disc DVD/CD Changer
Paradigm Studio 60
Paradigm CC470
Paradigm PS-1000

Want to upgrade from AVR-1804 to the 3806 or the 2807. On-line dealers (not Denon authorized) are offering these receivers ("New in box "A" stock") for $890.00 and $840.00. Is it worth the warranty risk to save the money? Are third party warranties worth the paper they are written on? Appreciate any advice.


I got a local dealer to sell me a new one that includes the two year warranty for around the same price you quoted. With new models coming out in less than six months, try aggressively shop around.

Plus, the local dealer has an in house service department to perform repairs during the warranty period. You may save a few bucks initially, but you may pay more later and be royally aggravated if things head south. For example, if you had to pay to ship your unit to a repair shop. Then you would have to wait for transit times, parts availability, etc.

YMMV with 3rd party warranties, go over to the speaker section and there is a guy who bought a polk speaker with a defective sub. CC refused to repair and offered a "comparable" single speaker replacement instead. Of course they refused to pay for both to match the speakers. Truth is that there is a lot of loopholes companies exploit to weasel out or minimize the claim. The way I look at it is the extra you pay locally vs. internet (with no warranty) is the cost of a better warranty built into the price.

Shop Sunshine has them for $75 less than Howard Peirce. They are not authorized either. I got a 2807 from Shopsunshine last year and it was brand new and worked just fine. I did sell it though and got the refurb 3806 since it sounded a little better.
How would you obtain warranty service since they are not Denon authorized?

Scott

Current System
Sony 60" Rear Projection HDTV
Denon AVR-1804
Pioneer DVL-919
Sony 5 Disc DVD/CD Changer
Paradigm Studio 60
Paradigm CC470
Paradigm PS-1000

I think they offer an extended warranty for a nominal price when you purchase the receiver. Or you could get a refurb unit, but you would still want an extended warranty since the refurb warranty is 90 days. I've personally never had to get warranty service for a purchase from a non authorized dealer. My 4 Denon receivers have been fine. Although my refurb 3806 had to be sent in because a board came loose during shipping, but that was when I first got it. It has been fine since. I guess another option is to use a credit card like AMEX that doubles the manufacturers warranty and go through them if you have any problems. Me personally, I'm about done getting extended warranties since I never use them.I've had 7 receivers the last 10 years and that 3806 was the only problem I've encountered. I'm on my 5th HD set and have ever need to use the extended warranty. When I replace my main HD set this year, I don't plan on paying for an extended warranty. I'll just use my AMEX card so I know it will be covered. By purchasing online and not buying an extended warranty, I should save around $1500. The same will apply if I replace my Denon. I will have no problem purchasing from Shopsunshine again if I decide to replace the 3806. Although with the new firmware upgrade that enabled 7.1 PCM over HDMI, I don't think the new Denon receivers will give me anything I need over what I currently have after that update.

It took me a while to figure it out so here is my attempt at explaining how to check the fimware version on the 3806:

1)with the receiver turned on (ON/STANDBY button steady green) press the small ON/OFF button to turn the receiver off
2)hold down both the STATUS and ROOM EQ buttons while turning the receiver back on with the small ON/OFF button
3)release the STATUS and ROOM EQ buttons
4)then press the STATUS button once and it will show “MODEL AVR” in the display then pressing it again it will show the firmware version for Main then for Sub and then for DSP

Thanks for the response. I've had a good experience with my receivers as well and would not generally consider an extended warranty. I just am wondering in the rare instance there might be a problem with the Denon and they don't honor their warranty then what? You pay for the shipping to a Denon service center and pay for the service as well? I don't think I can resist the 3806 at that price (or maybe wait for the next revision).

It might be that the 9pin cable that came with your 3com switch is a null modem cable. In that case it's the cable not your PC or 3806. Try finding a regular pass-through 9-pin rs232 cable and see what happens.

Mike

Yep. Switching to a different cable fixed the problem.

The update addressed a few of the issues I have having with the "Personal Memory Plus", but not all.

Previously, each input used the exact same settings - channel, volume, audio delay, etc. even though Denon advertised the "Personal Memory Plus" feature. My unit was a early one purchased in Nov/05.

At least now after the update, the audio delay is remember for each input.

However, the independant channel volume settings are still not remembered for each input. My Bother-in-law has an AVR-1906 I believe, and for a much cheaper Denon, his settings are retained.

The channel level for each speaker is remembered for each sound process, like PLIIx with stereo, or PLIIx with 5.1. Mine has always remembered it that way, not by input. All my Denon receivers have worked that way.

Hello, for me it is necessary service manual denon3806, I shall be grateful for the help.

The channel level for each speaker is remembered for each sound process, like PLIIx with stereo, or PLIIx with 5.1. Mine has always remembered it that way, not by input. All my Denon receivers have worked that way.


My brother-in-law swears on his 1906 that he can adjust the Sub level down for the Tuner, CD, etc, and bump it up for DVD, while having each input source remember the sub level. - When he changes from Tuner to DVD, the sub channel level adjusts as well.

From the USA Denon Website:

"Personal Mempry Plus is a function that allows a receiver to store the surround modes, the level settings for all speakers, and the delay time to further customize the sound source. With the push of a button, the receiver will be turned to the source of choice and the preset settings will be activated."

That description was taken from the 3806 product page.

It sounds exactly like what my brother-in-law describes the way it works on his model. :confused:

Your quote says that it remembers it for the surround modes which is what mine is doing. The tuner or CD would be 2.0 which for me I don't use PLIIx with it so mine also retains the different settings. but "Personal Mempry Plus is a function that allows a receiver to store the surround modes.." is what it remembers, not the individual inputs. Although I think it woul\d make more sense to remember the surround modes for each individual input, not just the surround modes.

To those who have upgraded their 3806's with the European firmware update, are you still able to apply Dolby ProLogicIIx to 5.1 surround sources and get 7.1 channel sound? Nobody has said they can't (and Aaronwt implies that it still works), but I would just like to make sure before I do the upgrade. Also, I read one post that indicated that the upgrade seems to have refined the Audyssey MultEQ process. Has anybody else tried re-running the EQ after upgrading? Thanks,

Can someone hlep me out. I updated the software on the 3806. I put in Descent, selected 7.1 PCM out on my Philips player. BUT the 3806 only shows 5.1 PCM both in the front panel display and again when I hit "status."

I did enable the back surround channels in the setup. Is there a hidden menu that I haven't found to enable 7.1?

Thanks!

I have a set of Paradigm Reference Studio 100v4's as mains and a CC-690 center running off a Denon-3806. I've just upgraded to these mains from the Studio 60v3's. While I don't have any reference for listening yet, my concern is that the Studio 100's and the CC-690 are so big they'll need a seperate amp. I'm not concerned with running my surrounds off a seperate amp.

Are any of you guys running large mains and a large center off your 3806? What is your experience?

Have any of you switched to a seperate amp for your mains and/or center? What is your experience?

The Studio 100's are very efficent speakers I seriously doubt they require any more power than the Studio 60's. You can lookup the efficiency ratings of both at the Paradigm site and compare.