Post all questions & answers about setting up Denon 3806 here tweaking/inputs settings etc.

The 3806 is on the top of my list of "possibilities" for my new HT when it's finished.

Official website: Denon website (http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/623.asp)

Denon AVR-3806
Retail $1300
120W x 7, (actual 107W into 5 channels by testing)
Triple zone capable
2 HDMI in, 1 out, no upconversion of analog, but (+) pass through on HDMI.
3 component in, 2 out, component upconversion of analog (to interlaced output only)
Autoroom calibration Audyssey MultEQ XT (mic included)<-- Finally!
XM ready
On screen display
Audio Signal Delay (Sync. Audio with Video signal) – By source
Touchscreen remote (fluorescent membrane keypad)
2 optical in, 2 coax in; 2 optical out

Front:
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Back:
http://usa.denon.com/AVR3806_Back_rdax_1000x436.gif

Inside:
http://usa.denon.com/AVR3806S_Inside_rdax_1000x725.gif


Other contenders in the same price class: (with HDMI and component video switching):
Pioneer VSX-74TXVi & 72TXV 2xHDMI in w/ upconv, 3 comp in, iPod control, USB to PC (streaming MP3, WMA) Pioneer (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/album/compare/0,,2076_4155,00.html)
Onkyo TX-SR803 2xHDMI in, 3 comp in, (only upconversion with component, not HDMI) Onkyo (http://www.us.onkyo.com/prod_class.cfm?class=Receiver)
Yamaha RX-V2600 & 1600 2xHDMI in, 3xcomp in, upconversion both HDMI & component, Yamaha (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/receivers/RXV2600.htm)

With discussion of the different models in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=588910)

correction: it's 4 optical in (not 2), plus 2 coax in.

2 HDMI in, 1 out, no upconversion of analog, but (+) pass through on HDMI.
I'll get this out of the way early on. What exactly does pass through entail? Does this allow the output of any input (analog and HDMI) over the single HDMI out? And does this just mean there is no enhancement to the image?

If this is true, I'd definitely consider the 3806. One cable going to my TV would be great!

Thanks,
Rob

Does this allow the output of any input (analog and HDMI) over the single HDMI out? And does this just mean there is no enhancement to the image?
Rob

Exactly thats it.... all inputs on output HDMI.....no deinterlacing..no scaling.. just digitising.. > HDMI

This is a long shot, but I might as well ask: Is it possible to pass through an HDMI source to the component outs? (I have an old HDTV.)

Picked one up this aft at Tweeter. Still in the box and I'll probably set it up tomorrow night. I'll post my impressions when I have a chance to experiment.

If you have questions and don't have access to the operating instructions, I can check on anything that's in their documentation

I'm anxious to test Denon Link 3 with my DVD-3910 to compare audio to analog 5.1 sound.

I wish Denon would update their new site to include firmware updates. Their products are great, but their web site redesign in progressing at a snail's pace.

/George

Let us know about the two component outs. I wanted to know whether different inputs could be played on different component outputs simultaneously. It might be cool to test out with a Belkin AV55000 to another tv/monitor.

This is a long shot, but I might as well ask: Is it possible to pass through an HDMI source to the component outs? (I have an old HDTV.)

I am afraid that the manual clearly states it doesn't convert digital video to analog... sorry.

I am afraid that the manual clearly states it doesn't convert digital video to analog... sorry.Thanks for looking that up.

Does the new 3806 have an input for my computer? I'd like to stream music through the receiver, and this is a huge selling point. Otherwise, I am currently considering the Outlaw 990. Thanks

This is my first Denon receiver and setup was difficult for me. The Operating Instructions documentation is not good. I had difficulty getiing TV and DVD sound and spent hours getting basic setup right.

I have optical connections from my Hi-Def cable Box and DVD (3910) player and also Denon Link 3 into the 3806 for audio.

Sound is unbelievable so far even before detailed set-up. Very clean and I notice instrumentation that I didn't hear on my Sony ES receiver.

Festus - the 3806 can not be connected to a computer. The upcoming 4306 can.

/George

I'm planning on getting the Denon AVR 3806 and some of these HDMI issues involving cable boxes and the like concern me. I've got a DirecTV HD Tivo which is currently connected to my TV through an HDMI-DVI cable and it works fine. Since I plan to upgrade my player soon to an HDMI out, I'd like to be able to use the switching function. Is it any help that the system information on my HR10-250 does say that the HDMI output on the Tivo is HDCP compliant?

My 3806 arrived today. It was relatively easy to unpack and set it up. The manual appears to be identical to the 3806 manual that's available on the German Denon site.

The good: SACD playback -- the multichannel sound reproduction is wonderful (source is a Denon 1920). Also, Audyssey equalization has improved the acoustics considerably in my oddly-shaped home theater.

The bad: I'm sad to report that the 3806 does not synch up with the HDMI input from a Comcast/Motorola 6412 DVR either (DVI output converted to HDMI via DVI-HDMI cable). HDMI from the Denon 1920 DVD player works fine. Fortunately, my TV has two HDMI inputs, so no worries yet. However, such an expensive receiver should not have trouble synching up with garden variety (HDCP-enabled) DVRs. That's not acceptable.

The ugly: 1) the manual. Never been a big fan of Denon manuals, and this one is no exception. There seems to be no logic to the organization. 2) Human interface design. I spent a frustrating half hour trying to run the auto-equalization scheme. Turns out that you start the sequence by pressing the left-arrow key rather than the "enter" key like all other menus everywhere on the planet. Barf.

More later. Now back to the "Dark Side of the Moon" SACD!

Hi,
Thanks for posting.
Can you clarify your statement below (I am a bit of a neophyte)

he bad: I'm sad to report that the 3806 does not synch up with the HDMI input from a Comcast/Motorola 6412 DVR either (DVI output converted to HDMI via DVI-HDMI cable). HDMI from the Denon 1920 DVD player works fine. Fortunately, my TV has two HDMI inputs, so no worries yet. However, such an expensive receiver should not have trouble synching up with garden variety (HDCP-enabled) DVRs. That's not acceptable.

1. Can't the sound get synched via doing a delay on the Denon?
2. I also have a 1920 and the Moto. So does this mean the 1920 will be synched and the Moto won't if I only have 1 HDMI on my TV and I put all the inputs into the Denon and output to the only HDMI input I have on my TV?
3. Any ideas if the 4306 would act any differently?


Thanks.

This is my first Denon receiver and setup was difficult for me. The Operating Instructions documentation is not good. I had difficulty getiing TV and DVD sound and spent hours getting basic setup right.

I have optical connections from my Hi-Def cable Box and DVD (3910) player and also Denon Link 3 into the 3806 for audio.

Sound is unbelievable so far even before detailed set-up. Very clean and I notice instrumentation that I didn't hear on my Sony ES receiver.

Festus - the 3806 can not be connected to a computer. The upcoming 4306 can.

/George
George which Sony ES receiver were you using?

The bad: I'm sad to report that the 3806 does not synch up with the HDMI input from a Comcast/Motorola 6412 DVR either (DVI output converted to HDMI via DVI-HDMI cable). HDMI from the Denon 1920 DVD player works fine. Fortunately, my TV has two HDMI inputs, so no worries yet. However, such an expensive receiver should not have trouble synching up with garden variety (HDCP-enabled) DVRs. That's not acceptable.



It's not Denon's fault with the HDCP, this is a common issue with Motorola, Scientific Atlanta and Hughes HR10-250 boxes. :rolleyes: They were not developed with HDMI switcher/repeaters in mind. A whole new generation of satellite/cable boxes will be needed if HDMI is expected to work. Component should look fine. Good luck

George which Sony ES receiver were you using?


Ted-

It is the Sony V333ES. It is a good receiver. I think I paid about $500 and it's got many useful surround fields, a good remote and the SQ is good for a receiver in this price range. No component outs though.

The 3806 sound is amazing so far. Dolby Digital TV sounds superb as does Denon link SACD sound. That's all I've played with so far.

Mooneydriver -

I agree with you on the manual. It sucks. It's also misleading, claiming the 3806 upconverts video. According to it, "upconverting" is passing S-Video through to component, component through to HDMI, etc.. No scaling. I call that switching, not upconverting.

I reached Carl at Denon tech support yesterday after about 10 tries and eventually getting bounced to EMail. He support was excellent. He answered all my questions, helped me with an audio issue and was very patient.
Quality support like this (on a NEW product!), while difficult to reach, is another big plus for Denon. Denon needs to keep Carl and add more like him.

Night and day vs. Sony tech support.

/George

Hi,
Thanks for posting.
Can you clarify your statement below (I am a bit of a neophyte)

he bad: I'm sad to report that the 3806 does not synch up with the HDMI input from a Comcast/Motorola 6412 DVR either (DVI output converted to HDMI via DVI-HDMI cable). HDMI from the Denon 1920 DVD player works fine. Fortunately, my TV has two HDMI inputs, so no worries yet. However, such an expensive receiver should not have trouble synching up with garden variety (HDCP-enabled) DVRs. That's not acceptable.

1. Can't the sound get synched via doing a delay on the Denon?
2. I also have a 1920 and the Moto. So does this mean the 1920 will be synched and the Moto won't if I only have 1 HDMI on my TV and I put all the inputs into the Denon and output to the only HDMI input I have on my TV?
3. Any ideas if the 4306 would act any differently?


Thanks.
I think you may have misread what was said.

1. When he says "synch up," he means the video output through HDMI. As many others have stated, this is an HDCP issue that occurs from the box itself. As stated in the second post, the 3806 does have "Audio Signal Delay (Sync. Audio with Video signal) – By source"

2. If you plan to use HDMI for both the 1920 and the Moto, then yes there's a good chance you will get no video from the Moto. The immediate workaround is to use component for the Moto and still output all signals via the HDMI out to your TV.

3. I don't think anyone can officially say as the 4306 hasn't been released yet.

Enigma,
thank you for the clarification.
I didn't realize that there was a video sync issue! I knew there was a general issue with sound/video sync so I jumped to that wrong conclusion.

Is there a noticeable difference between using the component vs. HDMI output from the Moto and going through the Denon?

Thanks again.

Is there a noticeable difference between using the component vs. HDMI output from the Moto and going through the Denon?


Using the SA3250HD STB, there was no noticeable difference between component and DVI/HDMI via the 4806.

Kal

Are you recommending running component cables out from the STB, into the 3806 and then out to the TV through the 3806's HDMI output?

If so, and there's allegedly no noticeable difference in PQ, why not just run the component connection from the HD STB right into the TV? Aside from whatever preference one might have for avoiding input switching on the TV, does the transcoding from analog component cables to digital through the 3806' HDMI output render any improvement in PQ?

Personally, I'm really discouraged about this problem with STB's. Why not just get the Denon AVR-3805 if the HDMI switching doesn't work on the 3806? I'm also very unhappy with Denon for not working out this issue with the various cable and satellite companies before going to market.

My 3806 arrived today. It was relatively easy to unpack and set it up. The manual appears to be identical to the 3806 manual that's available on the German Denon site.

The good: SACD playback -- the multichannel sound reproduction is wonderful (source is a Denon 1920). Also, Audyssey equalization has improved the acoustics considerably in my oddly-shaped home theater.

The bad: I'm sad to report that the 3806 does not synch up with the HDMI input from a Comcast/Motorola 6412 DVR either (DVI output converted to HDMI via DVI-HDMI cable). HDMI from the Denon 1920 DVD player works fine. Fortunately, my TV has two HDMI inputs, so no worries yet. However, such an expensive receiver should not have trouble synching up with garden variety (HDCP-enabled) DVRs. That's not acceptable.

The ugly: 1) the manual. Never been a big fan of Denon manuals, and this one is no exception. There seems to be no logic to the organization. 2) Human interface design. I spent a frustrating half hour trying to run the auto-equalization scheme. Turns out that you start the sequence by pressing the left-arrow key rather than the "enter" key like all other menus everywhere on the planet. Barf.

More later. Now back to the "Dark Side of the Moon" SACD!


I am a little bit confused as you seem to have said that MultEQ XT improved the SACD playback through multichannel analog input. AFAIK, 3806 can't digitize multichannel analog inputs, thus MultEQ XT cannot be applied.
Denon 1920 doesn't have DenonLink 3, does it?

Are you recommending running component cables out from the STB, into the 3806 and then out to the TV through the 3806's HDMI output?

If so, and there's allegedly no noticeable difference in PQ, why not just run the component connection from the HD STB right into the TV? Aside from whatever preference one might have for avoiding input switching on the TV, does the transcoding from analog component cables to digital through the 3806' HDMI output render any improvement in PQ?

Personally, I'm really discouraged about this problem with STB's. Why not just get the Denon AVR-3805 if the HDMI switching doesn't work on the 3806? I'm also very unhappy with Denon for not working out this issue with the various cable and satellite companies before going to market.

Really the only reason for the component to the receiver and then hdmi to the TV is that there is one connection to the TV. You DVD player or other device can connect to the receiver via hdmi and then just one single hdmi connection to the TV for a nice clean install.

I would also not be mad at denon, its not a denon issue with hdmi switching, its an issue with HDCP on the cable/sat boxes. Other have reported similar issues even before the 3806 arrived.

The plus for the 3806 over the 3805 is the ability to use HDMI ports for DVD and Xbox 360, Component for SAT/Cable, composite for VCR etc and have it all conenct to the TV with one cable!

s2silber

I can't get my SA8300 to sync directly with IF4805 due to issue with TWC's software in Southwest Ohio....this is a major roadblock for me to upgrade. I want the HDMI(via DVI) switching but its pointless for me until cableco gets off its posterior.

If anyone has success with SA8300 TWC sync via HDMI, please post your findings. Thanks

GeorgeG02,
Thanks for the review. I'm contemplating a 3806 and own a V444ES so your review is intriguing to me.

Really the only reason for the component to the receiver and then hdmi to the TV is that there is one connection to the TV. You DVD player or other device can connect to the receiver via hdmi and then just one single hdmi connection to the TV for a nice clean install.

I would also not be mad at denon, its not a denon issue with hdmi switching, its an issue with HDCP on the cable/sat boxes. Other have reported similar issues even before the 3806 arrived.

The plus for the 3806 over the 3805 is the ability to use HDMI ports for DVD and Xbox 360, Component for SAT/Cable, composite for VCR etc and have it all conenct to the TV with one cable!
Yes, but you're still denied the advantage of being able to use digital connections for BOTH SAT/cable and DVD, which Denon acknowledges does render optimum picture quality on both sources. So, with these problems you've got to forego true digital output from your SAT/cable box if you've only got one digital input on your TV and you want to take advantage of digital transmission from a DVD player, too. Again, what we're talking about here is inferior SAT/Cable picture quality for the dubious advantage of not having to push your TV's input button. I still say Denon should have addressed this issue and should at least warn customers that not all video sources are compatible with their much-touted HDMI switching capability.

I am a little bit confused as you seem to have said that MultEQ XT improved the SACD playback through multichannel analog input. AFAIK, 3806 can't digitize multichannel analog inputs, thus MultEQ XT cannot be applied.
Denon 1920 doesn't have DenonLink 3, does it?
No, the 1920 does not have DenonLink 3. MultEQ XT does not require digitization of the signal as far as I know. It just changes the crossover and level settings for speakers and applies parametric equalization. As far as I can tell, it works for the multichannel analog inputs or any other source. To be sure, I'll try it again tonight and compare Audyssey versus flat settings with an SACD and see whether there is a substantial difference.

This is definitely the first receiver manual that I've had to flip through over and over again upon initial setup. It's my first Denon, but I've set up my old receivers and other people's receivers on instinct. Otherwise, I'm enjoying the receiver's sound so far. Almost as good as my Anthem amp.

Yes, but you're still denied the advantage of being able to use digital connections for BOTH SAT/cable and DVD, which Denon acknowledges does render optimum picture quality on both sources. So, with these problems you've got to forego true digital output from your SAT/cable box if you've only got one digital input on your TV and you want to take advantage of digital transmission from a DVD player, too. Again, what we're talking about here is inferior SAT/Cable picture quality for the dubious advantage of not having to push your TV's input button. I still say Denon should have addressed this issue and should at least warn customers that not all video sources are compatible with their much-touted HDMI switching capability.

I see what you mean on this but I will ahve to guess that Denon's stance is that they can not test everything and that their equipment is engineered to proper standards/specifications for HDCP. Then again the SAT/STB manufacturers likely believe the same thing. You are right that in the end the consumer is the one that suffers.

For me the switching capabilities will satisfy the majority of my requirements and therefore will not play into my purchasing decisions at this point (since all manufacturers seem to have HDCP compatibility issues)

Oh, the remote control is not bad for an RC that comes with a component, but I taught the commands to my old MX-500 remote and tossed the Denon into the pile inside my coffee table.

It just seems flimsy and unfriendly. I like what seems to be discrete individual input and on/off commands that my main remote could learn without my having to go hunt down hidden codes and whatnot.

No, the 1920 does not have DenonLink 3. MultEQ XT does not require digitization of the signal as far as I know. It just changes the crossover and level settings for speakers and applies parametric equalization. As far as I can tell, it works for the multichannel analog inputs or any other source. To be sure, I'll try it again tonight and compare Audyssey versus flat settings with an SACD and see whether there is a substantial difference.

As far as I know, MultEQ XT requires digital input data for most of its processing, except the channel level control (and maybe phase control) which is (can be) done in analog domain. Delay, bass management and 512-tap FIR processing (NOT IIR-based PEQ like other less advanced room EQs) works only on digital/digitized input data. Look at the Audyssey MultEQ XT indicator on the front panel, and it must be off when you are playing SACD through Multichannel input. You cannot use EQ button on the remote when using EXT. IN.

Level correction plays a great role, but that's not all. Try CD or other DVD and you may experience even bigger improvement than SACD.

Played a good reference DVD with DTS (Twister) with an optical connection and the sound was incredible. My dog was running for shelter!

I run DVI from my Hi Def box and DVD directly to my plasma TV, so I'm not using the 3806 for video switching. Strictly for audio.

I've only done auto set up. But so far audio rates an A+.

All positive, except for the manual.

I run DVI from my Hi Def box and DVD to my TV directly, so I'm not using the 3806 for video switching. Strictly for audio.
Yeah, but what if your TV only has one digital input and you want to connect both a DVD player with HDMI out and a STB digitally for optimum PQ? Isn't that the whole point of HDMI switching? Denon should have fixed this problem before marketing this receiver as capable of HDMI switching.

Are you recommending running component cables out from the STB, into the 3806 and then out to the TV through the 3806's HDMI output?

If so, and there's allegedly no noticeable difference in PQ, why not just run the component connection from the HD STB right into the TV?

Because my 'TV' is a projector and would require an additional $130 for some decent 30' component cables. :)

Yeah, but what if your TV only has one digital input and you want to connect both a DVD player with HDMI out and a STB digitally for optimum PQ? Isn't that the whole point of HDMI switching? Denon should have fixed this problem before marketing this receiver as capable of HDMI switching.


I understand your point and Denon should have fixed this.

I use a 2X DVI switch for DVD and cable into my Display and PQ is excellent. $1300 for excellent sound and $150 for a DVI switch is a good solution for me.

/George

As far as I know, MultEQ XT requires digital input data for most of its processing, except the channel level control (and maybe phase control) which is (can be) done in analog domain. Delay, bass management and 512-tap FIR processing (NOT IIR-based PEQ like other less advanced room EQs) works only on digital/digitized input data. Look at the Audyssey MultEQ XT indicator on the front panel, and it must be off when you are playing SACD through Multichannel input. You cannot use EQ button on the remote when using EXT. IN.

OK, I'm lost. I was playing a DVD Audio when I read your message, and the Audyssey light was off. So I replaced the DVD Audio with a regular CD. The Audyssey light is still off (not red, not green, just off). I pressed the Room EQ button, and it switches between "manual" and "off". It looks like the Audyssey settings never registered.

This may be a great piece of electronics, but I feel like finding the guys who wrote the manual and having them eat it ... page by page.

it looks like the 3806 has independent crossovers for each channel group....can someone who owns one confirm this....also, how much does it weight

Because my 'TV' is a projector and would require an additional $130 for some decent 30' component cables. :)
You could make you own for about $30. :)

also, how much does it weight
Shipping weight was 49 lbs. So take away a couple for the box, remote etc and you are looking at around 46 lbs. Its heavy.

And it still sitting in its box because the place it is going is not ready and I still can't decide if I want to return it for the 4306.

I'm a bit confused. Please clarify for me. How does the yamaha that supposedly do upconversion to HDMI differ? My understanding is that the 3806 will take xbox/xbox360 and dvd through hdmi and SAT cable through component because of the HDCP issue and only one HDMI cable to the display will be necessary. This whole scaling, upconversion, transcoding thing is confusing.

I assume that transcoding is the ability to input a device through composite, s-video, or component to an HDMI output.

I assume that scaling is the ability for a receiver to take a lower res input (ie composite, s-video, component at 480i, 480p) and output a a higher res image (ie HD 720p or 1080i).

Where does upconversion relate to this? Is it the same thing as transcoding?

Finally, where does the 3806 fall short regarding these features? And what does the yamaha rx-v2600 do in reference to these features that the 3806 does not.
Thanks for the clarification.
Rob

The 3806 is already starting to show up on ebay. Lowest price I found was a Buy it Now" for $949 + $40 shipping.

The 3806 is already starting to show up on ebay. Lowest price I found was a Buy it Now" for $949 + $40 shipping.


I'm not sure $1000 with no warranty is better than $1300 with a 2 year warranty.
I paid $1275 at an authorized dealer out the door.


The ONLY authorized online Denon retailers are Abt, ListenUp, Crutchfield and Tweeter.

One can decide either way, but be aware, unless it's an authorized seller, no warranty.

I agree. Got mine at Crutchfield for $1170 with the 10% discount for buying 2 things. So for an extra $170 it is worth it for the warranty.

But I got my 2805 for $650 from a non-authorized dealer vs. $999, so in that case it was worth it.

I agree. Got mine at Crutchfield for $1170 with the 10% discount for buying 2 things. So for an extra $170 it is worth it for the warranty.


I also agree. I got mine at Crutchfield for $1170 with free shipping and no payments for 6 months. I also bought the Denon 1920 and got 10% off on that too.

I got mine from yesterday from one of the retail stores that sells them. My brother works there and got his employee discount. Total cost for the 3806 was $790. Also got the DVD-2910 for $467.
:)

I got mine from yesterday from one of the retail stores that sells them. My brother works there and got his employee discount. Total cost for the 3806 was $790. Also got the DVD-2910 for $467.
:)
I would like to get one for that price, ask your brother if he will adopt me :D

I also agree. I got mine at Crutchfield for $1170 with free shipping and no payments for 6 months. I also bought the Denon 1920 and got 10% off on that too.
Hey, did you copy my order? That's the same thing I got. :)

I almost went with the 2910, but with HD-DVD of some variety around the corner, I went with the 1920. I will recycle it to the MBR after the HD players are available.

You all are smart shoppers!

I bought the 3910 a year ago, so I couldn't take advange of Crutchfield's 10% discount for the 3806.

The 3910 is really superb, IMHO. I'm doubtful about the new Hi-Def/Blu Ray DVDs producing a better picture than the 3910 does at 1090i with a good PQ DVD. I guess the idea is that all hi def DVD's will be good PQ.

The new Toy Story DVD with DTS and an excellent reference DVD for picture and sound.

For sound, LAGQ's Guitar Hero's is an excellent SACD for SQ recorded in multichannel.

Sorry to get off the 3806 thread.

/George

Guys please do not post street pricing. MSRP only. Thank you.

After the second time running the auto setup, I managed to get the Audyssey settings to stick. Now I can confirm that Audyssey MultEQ XT is only available with digital sources. It does not kick in for external analog inputs (e.g., SACD).

Now that the Audyssey problem is out of the way, I am having difficulties with Dolby Digital material. Watching a DVD movie or a TV show encoded with DD 5.1 (and input via optical in), the music passages sound awesome. Dialog, on the other hand, is terrible. All dialog appears to come from the center speaker, and it's very muddy as if the actors are all calling out from inside a deep well. The dialog level is OK, so I don't think the problem is the DD dialog normalization. The difference between dialog and non-dialog on the same soundtrack is startling. Turning Audyssey processing off and going with Flat or Front settings do not make a difference. Using Denon's proprietary DSP modes instead (such as Widescreen) did not make a difference. Last night, I resorted to watching DD 5.1 material using the 5-channel stereo mode, which kills the discrete surround channels but at least makes dialog tolerable.

My previous receiver was a Sony DA30ES, which had pretty decent DD 5.1 processing. With the 3806, I am currently at a loss. Any advice will be appreciated.

Had any of you the chance to compare the 3806 to 3805 yet? I mean a really A/B comparison. The 3806 looks like a very promising device espacially when I take a look at its feature list.

However: I had a 3805 which i recently sold because I couldtn't stand the sound. It soundend soft, with no crisp, weak bass and bad dialog intelligibly to my ears. Currently I own a pioneer 1015 which is half the price of the 3805 and sounds WAY better (at least to me). I bought the 3805 *blind* with never listening to it and I surely won't make the same mistake twice.

I heard rumors, the new denon (06) product line should have changed the sound quite dramactically to a more crisped und focused way. Can some confirm that and if so, maybe give a little description of his impressions?

Any comments are highly appreciated.


Regards,
Holger

All dialog appears to come from the center speaker, and it's very muddy as if the actors are all calling out from inside a deep well.

Well, dialog is supposed to come from the center speaker. So it sounds like your center channel is broken.

Have you tried the obvious, like making sure it is not out of phase with the others? Or unplug the other speakers and make sure that the speaker itself has not been fried, or you have a short on one end of the wires, or your center channel amp has a problem.....

I am jealous, I have the AVR-3806 and DVD-1920 combo on order too.

Has anyone tried to see if a digital input can be sent to Zone 2? The 3805 had a restriction that made this not work. I would to have some things (EQ) only work with digital inputs, and others (Zone 2) only work with analog! Good thing I ordered a boatload of cables, sigh.

Thanks. I too have reached the conclusion that the center channel is broken. I'll play with it tomorrow and find out whether it's the cabling, the speaker itself, or the center channel of the receiver. The reason 5-channel stereo sounds good is because it distributes the dialog to the front L/R and center channels.

Thanks. I too have reached the conclusion that the center channel is broken. I'll play with it tomorrow and find out whether it's the cabling, the speaker itself, or the center channel of the receiver. The reason 5-channel stereo sounds good is because it distributes the dialog to the front L/R and center channels.
Try swapping your center channel speaker with one of your fronts

If a speaker is out of phase, the Audyssey setup tells you. Hell, it tells you it's out of phase even if it's not, which is the case with my surround backs, which are fine AFAIK.

Yeah, my center sounds normal to me, so I think this is more mooney's issue than the 3806 in general. Though you can't rule out some kind of screwup with his particular 3806.

AVR-3806-AF Back

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AF stand for 'April Fools'

Don't cha wish it had all those digital/HD inputs???????


Photoshop creation of "dream" 3806....

AVR-3806-AF Back

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Does AF stand for 'April Fools'??

Where did you get this picture? It looks fabricated... 10+ HDMI terminals and 3 DL ports???

If a speaker is out of phase, the Audyssey setup tells you. Hell, it tells you it's out of phase even if it's not, which is the case with my surround backs, which are fine AFAIK.

Yeah, my center sounds normal to me, so I think this is more mooney's issue than the 3806 in general. Though you can't rule out some kind of screwup with his particular 3806.

I wonder if your surround backs are dipolar or bipolar (what's the difference anyway??). I heard that it's difficult to check phase/distance of those kinds of speakers.

Mystery solved! My center speaker is a 4-ohm speaker whereas the rest are 8-ohm speakers (all are Monitor Audio speakers, bought at different times over the last 12 years). My previous Sony ES receiver had a 4/8 ohm selector and I had set it on 4 ohms (which made it easier for the receiver to handle the higher impedance of the L/R/surround speakers). The Denon 3806 is only capable of driving 8-ohm speakers and it advises against using speakers of lower impedance. There is a protection circuit that kicks in in case of an overload, so I don't think I damaged anything (and the front speakers sound fine connected to the center speaker output). However, the inability of the 3806 to handle 4-ohm loads means that I either have to return it or go shop for an 8-ohm center speaker. I'll probably do the latter. Sigh.

That back pic is obviosly fake due to the numbering of the inputs. It would be coaxial 1-6 etc, not 1,2,1,2,1,2 lol.

Mystery solved! My center speaker is a 4-ohm speaker whereas the rest are 8-ohm speakers (all are Monitor Audio speakers, bought at different times over the last 12 years). My previous Sony ES receiver had a 4/8 ohm selector and I had set it on 4 ohms (which made it easier for the receiver to handle the higher impedance of the L/R/surround speakers). The Denon 3806 is only capable of driving 8-ohm speakers and it advises against using speakers of lower impedance. There is a protection circuit that kicks in in case of an overload, so I don't think I damaged anything (and the front speakers sound fine connected to the center speaker output). However, the inability of the 3806 to handle 4-ohm loads means that I either have to return it or go shop for an 8-ohm center speaker. I'll probably do the latter. Sigh.

I am kind of in the same boat. I am looking at some speakers, some of them are 4-ohms. Can anyone name some receivers below $1500 that can handle 4-ohm loads?

Mooney which Sony ES did you have. I'm still on the fence if I should upgrade to the 3806, presently I have Sony DA4 ES. Right now I do not have need for HDMI, so only reason I would have to upgrade at this moment would be if SQ improvement was enough to justify the expense to upgrade.

That back pic is obviosly fake due to the numbering of the inputs. It would be coaxial 1-6 etc, not 1,2,1,2,1,2 lol.
Of course it's a fake! By the time receivers get have eight HDMI input ports, the Supreme Court will have banned the use of composite and S-Video connectors (for crimes against video quality) :rolleyes:

Mooney which Sony ES did you have. I'm still on the fence if I should upgrade to the 3806, presently I have Sony DA4 ES. Right now I do not have need for HDMI, so only reason I would have to upgrade at this moment would be if SQ improvement was enough to justify the expense to upgrade.
I have a Sony STR DA30-ES. It was serving me fine for DD and DTS 5.1. I upgraded due to four reasons (in order of importance):
1. Multichannel analog audio input for SACD and DVD-Audio
2. Audio delay (which is a nice thing to have when you have HDTV with lots of video scaling and image processing going on)
3. Room equalization, since I have a home theater room which looks like it was designed by Picasso (cathedral ceilings, open on both sides).
4. HDMI switching

I am VERY HAPPY to have #1. Among the few discs that I have to date, for example, I am able to hear stuff I never heard for 30+ years on Dark Side of the Moon, not even on the MFSL Gold CD (although it's quite likely that they mixed in a few new tracks since then). Roxy Music's Avalon is astounding. Another great DVD-Audio is Porcupine Tree's Deadwing, but it's an acquired taste (that I had acquired years ago).

Audio delay works as advertised. It's a minor convenience.

The jury is still out on room EQ, since the 3806 barfed on my 4-ohm center channel speaker. Also, Audyssey does NOT work on analog inputs (which Denon's PR stuff conveniently fails to mention).

HDMI switching is a disappointment, since the so-called HDMI "standard" is not standard enough to allow HDMI switching. Basically, the 3806 refuses to switch signals from my Motorola 6412 DVR (not the best piece of hardware on the planet, but then a standard is a standard, right?)

Finally, if you are looking for a good price on the 3806 from an authorized dealer, PM me.

I've got a 3806 arriving on Tuesday (I went for the Crutchfield deal too). Just so I'm clear, I can connect 3 things via component and 1 HDMI device to the 3806 and then run only 1 HDMI cable to my tv, and still have it show video from all sources? If so I'll need to pick up another HDMI cable.

Also, Audyssey does NOT work on analog inputs (which Denon's PR stuff conveniently fails to mention).
So, then, how do you go about balancing/equalizing for SACD and DVD-A analog playback and how will it affect the digital equalization? :confused:

So, then, how do you go about balancing/equalizing for SACD and DVD-A analog playback and how will it affect the digital equalization? :confused:

I think the only way to apply MultEQ XT on 3806 for DVDA and SACD is to mate it with DVD 3910 or 5910. For DVDA only, DVDPs with HDMI 1.1 output would work.

Do you mean when using Denon Link? Right now, I've got the Denon DVD 2900, which is only analog out for SACD and DVD-A. For that unit, is there any way of doing equalization and bass management after going through the MultEQ XT process?

Do you mean when using Denon Link? Right now, I've got the Denon DVD 2900, which is only analog out for SACD and DVD-A. For that unit, is there any way of doing equalization and bass management after going through the MultEQ XT process?
No. Sorry. Denon Link 3 is the only way to get MultEQ XT on high-resolution audio. MultEQ XT only works on digital inputs.

Browsing AVR-38xx units on Ebay, I was focusing on some units being advertised as being "NEW - FULL WARRANTY" that were being offered by a Seller with the Ebay identity "Hometheaterhome". I sent them a message asking if they were an authorized dealer and they replied that they were. I went through Denon's website list state by state but didn't see any such dealer listed. Is anyone familiar with the Ebay seller: Hometheaterhome?

Where did you get this picture? It looks fabricated... 10+ HDMI terminals and 3 DL ports???

The 3806-AF model is being released six months early from April Fool's day 2006. It discards the myriad of antiquated RCA audio/video inputs as well as the S-video inputs, which almost no one uses anymore who buys high-end equipment. If you need to connect that old-fashioned stuff, the front panel might have *one* for Grandma Gertrudes Video camera.

That frees up a TON of room for digital inputs and HD video inputs/outputs.

Ahhh.... we can dream, can't we????

;)

No. Sorry. Denon Link 3 is the only way to get MultEQ XT on high-resolution audio. MultEQ XT only works on digital inputs.

Mooney,

but isn´t HDMI 1.1 supposed to transmit DVD-Audio as well?
Are you sure you can´t use the Multi-EQ XT on the HDMI inputs of the 3806?

Stefan

Mooney,

but isn´t HDMI 1.1 supposed to transmit DVD-Audio as well?
Are you sure you can´t use the Multi-EQ XT on the HDMI inputs of the 3806?

Stefan

Multi-EQ XT runs perfect with DVD-Audio on HDMI Input ! Why not ?
Also SACD Stereo on ANALOG-2ch-Input can use Multi-EQ XT because of the 24Bit/192Khz A/D Inside the AVR-3806.

SACD Multichannel can use Multi-EQ XT only with DENONLINK on AVR-3806 !
There are not A/D on 8ch Input....

Multi-EQ XT runs perfect with DVD-Audio on HDMI Input ! Why not ?
Also SACD Stereo on ANALOG-2ch-Input can use Multi-EQ XT because of the 24Bit/192Khz A/D Inside the AVR-3806.

SACD Multichannel can use Multi-EQ XT only with DENONLINK on AVR-3806 !
There are not A/D on 8ch Input....

Right, I forgot about 2-ch analog input!

I got my 3806 yesterday and am having just one problem with it. My DVD Player (Phillips 642) is connected to a component input on the receiver, and then I'm using HDMI out to my TV. This works for every source I have (all 480i) but when my DVD Player is in progressive mode (480p) I get an unstable picture. It looks overscanned and it jumps around a few pixels up and down. When I switch it back to 480i it looks fine. When I connect the DVD Player directly to my tv via component it also works fine at 480i or 480p. I'm thinking the problem must just be with the digital video switching. I should try using the component outs from the receiver to my set. Any other ideas?

I was right. I connected the component out of the receiver to my component in on my set, and 480p is totally stable. I wonder if the 3806 has problems converting any 480p to hdmi? Has anyone tested 480p/720p/1080i from component to hdmi with this receiver?

The 3806-AF model is being released six months early from April Fool's day 2006. It discards the myriad of antiquated RCA audio/video inputs as well as the S-video inputs, which almost no one uses anymore who buys high-end equipment. If you need to connect that old-fashioned stuff, the front panel might have *one* for Grandma Gertrudes Video camera.

That frees up a TON of room for digital inputs and HD video inputs/outputs.

Ahhh.... we can dream, can't we????

;)

I'd like to dream about one with i.link inputs and 12 channels of balanced pre-outs or multi-channel digital output!! :D

Right, I forgot about 2-ch analog input!
Sorry for what may seem like dumb questions to anyone who's already taken delivery and set up their 3806s, but how do you set up the SACD for 2-ch analog input in order to take advantage of the Multi-Q equalization? Is there a set of 2-channel analog stereo inputs alongside the 5.1 channel analog inputs? And, if there is a separate 2-channel analog input, do you still use both sets of front inputs? :confused:

Does the 3806 EQ the dedicated subwoofer channel?

I was right. I connected the component out of the receiver to my component in on my set, and 480p is totally stable. I wonder if the 3806 has problems converting any 480p to hdmi? Has anyone tested 480p/720p/1080i from component to hdmi with this receiver?

I tried the connection from my RP-91 to 3806 through component, and 3806 to HL-P5663 through HDMI. I didn't have a stability problem, but I think I might notice a tiny bit softer picture than direct component connection.

Moneydriver,

What did you mean by the following:
HDMI switching is a disappointment, since the so-called HDMI "standard" is not standard enough to allow HDMI switching. Basically, the 3806 refuses to switch signals from my Motorola 6412 DVR (not the best piece of hardware on the planet, but then a standard is a standard, right?)HDMI switching is a disappointment, since the so-called HDMI "standard" is not standard enough to allow HDMI switching. Basically, the 3806 refuses to switch signals from my Motorola 6412 DVR (not the best piece of hardware on the planet, but then a standard is a standard, right?)

What are you using then for connection between TV and DVR? Are you using the component out or do you have 2 HDMI inputs to TV?
thanks

Sorry for what may seem like dumb questions to anyone who's already taken delivery and set up their 3806s, but how do you set up the SACD for 2-ch analog input in order to take advantage of the Multi-Q equalization? Is there a set of 2-channel analog stereo inputs alongside the 5.1 channel analog inputs? And, if there is a separate 2-channel analog input, do you still use both sets of front inputs? :confused:

I believe you can use regular stereo analog inputs in the back panel for this.

I believe you can use regular stereo analog inputs in the back panel for this.

There is a 2 channel analog "CD" input on the back...

Just so I'm clear, I can connect 3 things via component and 1 HDMI device to the 3806 and then run only 1 HDMI cable to my tv, and still have it show video from all sources? If so I'll need to pick up another HDMI cable.


Can someone answer my previous question please?

AuroraProject - Assuming you don't have problems with the HDMI (like my 480p problem) then yes, that will work. It's how I do it now.

Thank you rbgrn!

Moneydriver,

What did you mean by the following:
HDMI switching is a disappointment, since the so-called HDMI "standard" is not standard enough to allow HDMI switching. Basically, the 3806 refuses to switch signals from my Motorola 6412 DVR (not the best piece of hardware on the planet, but then a standard is a standard, right?)

What are you using then for connection between TV and DVR? Are you using the component out or do you have 2 HDMI inputs to TV?
thanks
It appears that most most cable settop boxes and DVRs out there do not implement HDMI w/ HDCP correctly (or perhaps the HDMI 1.0 standard is not strong enough to enforce proper transmission of HDCP-encoded stuff across an HDMI switcher. As a result, the HDMI switcher on the high-end Denon receivers does not work with DVR/settop box connections.

Fortunately, I have a Pioneer PDP with two HDMI inputs. The DVR is connected to the TV directly; the HDMI from the DVD player goes through the receiver to the TV (so that I can take advantage of MultEq XT for DVD-Audio).

In my opinion, the reason SACD and DVD-Audio are failing in the marketplace has nothing to do with competing standards. It's the complexity of hardware and setup required to get multichannel audio to work. Which is a shame, really.

I setup my 3806 this weekend. I had a cheapo Pioneer previously. I only watch movies, no music. I ran the basic setup with the room eq. It correctly identified a speaker out of phase (which I fixed) and all the distances. I noticed it set the crossover for the center speaker at 150 and the fronts at 200. I thought the crossover should be 80 for the speakers and the subwoofer?

Anyway, I have to say the voices from the center channel sound dead, kind of like they're coming from a tunnel. When I change room eq from "Audyseey" to "Flat" it sounds much better. When I turn off Room EQ it sounds even better still. I only have a 10' x 10' room and K series M&K speakers.

I'm thinking I need a better room and better speakers to make the 3806 sound better than my 912K Pioneer. I use the HDMI switching so it is really a moot point. Just wondering if anyone else doesn't use the Room EQ.

Does anyone that also owns this unit also think that the center channel doesn't sound like it should? I 've been reading about that alot lately....

I setup my 3806 this weekend. I had a cheapo Pioneer previously. I only watch movies, no music. I ran the basic setup with the room eq. It correctly identified a speaker out of phase (which I fixed) and all the distances. I noticed it set the crossover for the center speaker at 150 and the fronts at 200. I thought the crossover should be 80 for the speakers and the subwoofer?

Anyway, I have to say the voices from the center channel sound dead, kind of like they're coming from a tunnel. When I change room eq from "Audyseey" to "Flat" it sounds much better. When I turn off Room EQ it sounds even better still. I only have a 10' x 10' room and K series M&K speakers.

I'm thinking I need a better room and better speakers to make the 3806 sound better than my 912K Pioneer. I use the HDMI switching so it is really a moot point. Just wondering if anyone else doesn't use the Room EQ.

Just set mine up this weekend as well. I am still playing with it to get the best sound, but if I'm not mistaken (and I might be) the only way that the auto room eq setup up you did actually works is if the Audyseey or flat are turned off. When you use these setting, you are overriding the auto room eq settings that you got when you setup the receiver.

Does anyone that also owns this unit also think that the center channel doesn't sound like it should? I 've been reading about that alot lately....


My center channel sound is perfect. No issues.

/George

Just set mine up this weekend as well. I am still playing with it to get the best sound, but if I'm not mistaken (and I might be) the only way that the auto room eq setup up you did actually works is if the Audyseey or flat are turned off. When you use these setting, you are overriding the auto room eq settings that you got when you setup the receiver.

I'm confused. I thought the audyssey setting applies the equaliztion parameters calculated by the auto eq setup. No?
Also, flat and front are derivations based on the same measurements taken by the auto eq setup, are they not?

I'm confused. I thought the audyssey setting applies the equaliztion parameters calculated by the auto eq setup. No?
Also, flat and front are derivations based on the same measurements taken by the auto eq setup, are they not?

I must have read it wrong. As I said, I am just starting to play around with the unit. :rolleyes:

I must have read it wrong. As I said, I am just starting to play around with the unit. :rolleyes:

I was simply asking others for clarification as I am not 100% sure either. Jeez no need to roll your eyes at me. :)

I sure wish Denon would post the gosh darned manual to the website!!!

Anyone with the unit using the Multi Zone features? If not would anyone mind looking up the he manual what types of video can be sent to Zone 2 and is there still the Zone 3 option (obviously audio only unpowered)

Jason

I made a mistake in my earlier post, my system sounds "better" when I use "Front" rather than "Flat" or "Audyssey". The best sound is turning room eq off.

I'm still curious as to the crossover frequencies. After running the auto setup the Crossover Freq. Check screen shows:

Front Small: 200Hz
Center Small: 150Hz
Surround A Small: 110Hz

If the subwoofer only goes up to 80Hz won't there be a big hole in the frequency response?

I have K7 M&K left/right/center. I have something like the M&K MkII 75Watt subwoofer. K4 tripoles in the back.

I was simply asking others for clarification as I am not 100% sure either. Jeez no need to roll your eyes at me. :)

I was rolling my eyes at myself. :p

and speaking of zone 2, does the AVR-3806 have the same limitation that only analog audio sources can go to zone 2? Mine is still on order from the local installer, and I would like to plan the cabling.

So far it seems I want to use digital from the DVD/CD player (Denon 1920) so that the Equalization can work. But then I need to run parallel analog cables for zone 2? At least the 3805 had this restriction. I understand that there could be only one set of Audio A/D converters, or one set of DSP path, but what exactly is the restriction?

Thanks if anyone has tried the zone 2 feature.

I made a mistake in my earlier post, my system sounds "better" when I use "Front" rather than "Flat" or "Audyssey". The best sound is turning room eq off.

I'm still curious as to the crossover frequencies. After running the auto setup the Crossover Freq. Check screen shows:

Front Small: 200Hz
Center Small: 150Hz
Surround A Small: 110Hz

If the subwoofer only goes up to 80Hz won't there be a big hole in the frequency response?

I have K7 M&K left/right/center. I have something like the M&K MkII 75Watt subwoofer. K4 tripoles in the back.

I experienced the exact same thing over the weekend. Sounds better with room eq off. I also saw that the crossover was all over the place as well. I reset the crossovers all to 80Hz and speakers to small and am going to do some experimenting over the next few days. But you know, I love this stuff. Heck, farting around over the next few months, experimenting with auto eq, setting some myself, listening to all the different modes is part of the fun :)

If it just set itself up with 100% accuracy, I would have been disapointed. Also, what the receiver says is 100% accurate might not agree with my listening style regardless.

I sure wish Denon would post the gosh darned manual to the website!!!

Anyone with the unit using the Multi Zone features? If not would anyone mind looking up the he manual what types of video can be sent to Zone 2 and is there still the Zone 3 option (obviously audio only unpowered)

Jason


The manual is on the Denon USA website, I just downloaded it. And it does offer input renaming!! Good, now I don't have to figure out whats on video 1 and video 2 etc.

WooHoo AuroraProject you are right the manual has been posted!

Now I get to overanalyze it to the point that I talk myself in and out of the purchase for a few months!

My first gripe is that Zone2 can only use Composite and Svideo, why not allow one of the 2 Component outs to be used for Zone2? O well.....

Jason

WooHoo AuroraProject you are right the manual has been posted!

Now I get to overanalyze it to the point that I talk myself in and out of the purchase for a few months!

My first gripe is that Zone2 can only use Composite and Svideo, why not allow one of the 2 Component outs to be used for Zone2? O well.....

JasonThey want you to buy another receiver :p

OK, I picked up the 3806 last night and got it connected. I haven’t had time to go through the configuration (will do that tonight).

Reading the forms regarding the HDCP issues and HDMI switching, has anyone connected the dish DVR-942 to the 3806 successfully without HDCP error messages?

Supposedly the DVR-942 is HDCP compliant. Is being compliant all that matters, or, is there other things that come into play with getting the 3806 HDMI to work as intended?

TIA
BW

Just bought the 3806 from Tweeter and attempting to hook it up currently. Ran into the Comcast Motorola cable box problem almost immediately.

I had better luck hooking up my Sony DVP-NS975V upconverting DVD player. The problem is that the audio is only registered as stereo by the Denon using HDMI. When I switched to RCA audio and video connections I got 5.1.

Any ideas?

Just bought the 3806 from Tweeter and attempting to hook it up currently. Ran into the Comcast Motorola cable box problem almost immediately.

I had better luck hooking up my Sony DVP-NS975V upconverting DVD player. The problem is that the audio is only registered as stereo by the Denon using HDMI. When I switched to RCA audio and video connections I got 5.1.

Any ideas?


Somewhere in the Sony HDMI setup you may have to enable multi-channel. It sounds like the Sony is currently set to 2 channel HDMI.

I was able to tweak the settings and get Dolby Digital to come through.

I'm going to continue to monitor this thread to see if the Comcas\Motorola issue gets resolved.

Dlibby,
did you have to tweak the Sony settings or Denon to get the sound right?

also, what firmware rev of the Motorola box are you using? Rumor has it that their may be a firmware fix for this since a lot of people are complaining

(p.s. wouldn't hurt to call moto and comcast and add to the complaint list - maybe they will do something then.)

I just started to setup and the first I noticed is the on screen display is not working. I am going direct HDMI to a new sammy HLR-4667.

Setup from the remote will not bring up the menu on the TV. The other HDMI inputs from dish 942 and DVD swithch HDMI ok but no on screen setup. I have been through the video setup on the 3806 display 50X to make sure everything was right.....anyone have this problem? Maybe I have bad unit out of the box.

TIA
BW

I am going direct HDMI to a new sammy HLR-4667.

I believe that the Samsung's cannot accept a 480i signal, which the onscreen menu is, over it's HDMI connection.

I believe that the Samsung's cannot accept a 480i signal, which the onscreen menu is, over it's HDMI connection.This is true for a decent number of TVs. What you can do is setup most things using component and then switch over to HDMI.

Hello everyone, first post in the forum. A bit intimidated by the knowledge I see displayed by everyone, but here I humbly go with my questions:

1) I am interested in buying a pair of EPOS ELS 3 speakers for a second zone. I will be using them with the 3806 (again, for zone 2), but the speakers recommend 25 - 100 w amplification. Is that a problem (120 W for 3806)? Should I just be careful not to run the Denon to the max? Or should I look at another set of speakers?

2) On zone 1, my video display (Pio 43'' 930 with media receiver) will be at one end of the room, the DVD player (Denon 2910) at the other end (about 16-18 feet from the display) and the rest of the equipment (denon 3806, vcr, cable box, etc.) will be downstairs, about 18 feet from the DVD player and about 24 -26 feet from the Pio and its media receiver.

Besides not being able to use HDMI, am I missing anything due to the distance?? Will I be able to use the Denon Link at these distances, and if I can't, will I be missing something by using another type of connection other than the Denon link? My concern is that I am getting features that I won't be able to use for either AUDIO and/or VIDEO. I know about HDMI, anything else?

Thanks!!

I thought the HDMI output passes 480,720,1080...is this for components only? The OS menu is only 480. I can't change the sammy thers no option to go to 480i. This stinks...is there a work around? It's hard think that Denon would put this limitation in for all the new TV's being produced that are native 720 and 1080.

In case others come across this problem. The modifications I had to make to get my Sony DVP-NS975V were purely on the DVD player. For some reason the DVD player ships with Dolby Digital and DTS output set to D-PCM. As near as I can tell this assumes a component which cannot process these formats natively and hence down mixes them (is that the right term) to 2 channel audio. I switched to Dolby Digital and DTS respectively and had no problems. I had the audio input set to auto and it picked up Dolby Digital no problem.

Am I correct in assuming whether or not you can DTS or Dolby Digital is a function of the way the DVD is encoded?

Can anybody tell me how I would go about figuring out which firmware version my Comcast\Moto box is? I literally got the box the day they switched to HDMI according to the guy at Cirtcuit City. Also, can a firmware update be pushed out to the box instead of having to bring it in?

Finally, who should I call to get on the complaint list. I know comcast is 1-800-COMCAST, but I find it hard to believe I could ever navigate my way to someone smart enough to have any idea about this problem.

and speaking of zone 2, does the AVR-3806 have the same limitation that only analog audio sources can go to zone 2? Mine is still on order from the local installer, and I would like to plan the cabling.

So far it seems I want to use digital from the DVD/CD player (Denon 1920) so that the Equalization can work. But then I need to run parallel analog cables for zone 2? At least the 3805 had this restriction. I understand that there could be only one set of Audio A/D converters, or one set of DSP path, but what exactly is the restriction?

Thanks if anyone has tried the zone 2 feature.

To decode digital streams in Zone 2 while decoding a digital stream in the main room requires a 2nd DSP..

dlibby

my understanding is that comcast pushes out firmware upgrades to the boxes all the time. done over the network and you don't even know about it.

the question is when will they push moto to get the hdmi issue addressed (assuming it can be done in firmware)?

so, if enough people complain, maybe, just maybe moto will give them the firmware fix and then comcast can push it out.

Got mine today, the remote is meh. It controls some functions of my tv and DVR, but not others. I can't access the "My DVR" feature using the Denon remote and it wont adjust my tv's volume. Looks like I'll have to pick up that universal after all. :(


Edit: I should mention that I've only had 2 hours to play with it so far, so maybe the remote can do what I need it too! Hopefully I'll get to play with it more tomorrow.

I'd mess with manual-programming of the remote a bit. You can literally reassign any button except amp on/off I think. I have mine setup to control my TV's input, Aspect & setup, then all the receiver functions (default for amp), then full DVD player control, full VCR Control, and finally full ReplayTV control with all the important buttons mapped around the center the way I like them :)

Ok so has anyone had my 480p problem yet? I'd really like for someone to connect a DVD Player using component video to the 3806, then hdmi from the 3806 to the TV and run a progressive output from the dvd player. My picture jumps up and down when I do this.

Will the 3806 take signal from a standard computer with DVI output. Obviously a DVI to HDMI cable is required, however just wondering if this has been tested?

I have seen a lot of posts regarding HDMI and other connectivity issues but have not seen many posts as far as sound quality and the amp section. I'm considering this receiver and was hoping to see more info. in these areas.

Thanks, Bill

the question is when will they push moto to get the hdmi issue addressed (assuming it can be done in firmware)?




It can't be done in firmware. Silicon Images is the only one that manufactures and distributes chips regarding HDMI. The HDCP instructions are hardwired into the chips (which means no firmware upgrades) and you can bet anything that Moto or Comcast won't spend a penny reconfiguring the hardware on all their boxes....

Just bought the 3806 from Tweeter and attempting to hook it up currently. Ran into the Comcast Motorola cable box problem almost immediately.

I had better luck hooking up my Sony DVP-NS975V upconverting DVD player. The problem is that the audio is only registered as stereo by the Denon using HDMI. When I switched to RCA audio and video connections I got 5.1.

Any ideas?

Your Sony is probably HDMI version 1.0, which doesn't allow for 5.1 over HDMI Version 1.1 does though. Stick with digital optica/coaxl or RCA and you should be fine.

I have seen a lot of posts regarding HDMI and other connectivity issues but have not seen many posts as far as sound quality and the amp section. I'm considering this receiver and was hoping to see more info. in these areas.

Thanks, Bill
I am very impressed with the sound quality. Compared to my previous Sony ES receiver, the Denon really opened up the sound stage and increased clarity and definition. This goes for music and movies through digital connections as well as SACDs through analog audio. I've heard new subtleties in music I've owned for years and never noticed before. It also seems to be that the 3806 is less forgiving of mediocre recordings -- it reveals recording flaws with remarkable clarity as well.

Just don't plan to use the 3806 with 4-ohm speakers, and have a couple of shots of tequila before you try to comprehend the manual. It helps.

OK, i am trying again here. Looks like my questions must be too amateur!! I

1) I am interested in buying a pair of EPOS ELS 3 speakers for a second zone. I will be using them with the 3806 (again, for zone 2), but the speakers recommend 25 - 100 w amplification. Is that a problem (120 W for 3806)? Should I just be careful not to run the Denon to the max? Or should I look at another set of speakers?

2) On zone 1, my video display (Pio 43'' 930 with media receiver) will be at one end of the room, the DVD player (Denon 2910) at the other end (about 16-18 feet from the display) and the rest of the equipment (denon 3806, vcr, cable box, etc.) will be downstairs, about 18 feet from the DVD player and about 24 -26 feet from the Pio and its media receiver.

Besides not being able to use HDMI, am I missing anything due to the distance?? Will I be able to use the Denon Link at these distances, and if I can't, will I be missing something by using another type of connection other than the Denon link? My concern is that I am getting features that I won't be able to use for either AUDIO and/or VIDEO. I know about HDMI, anything else?

Thanks!!

Just don't plan to use the 3806 with 4-ohm speakers, and have a couple of shots of tequila before you try to comprehend the manual. It helps.[/QUOTE]

I know what you mean in regard to the manual. I have a 3802 and almost had a nervous break down trying to output to the multi-zone and play SACD's. I guess Denon's manuals have not improved. Thanks for your input on the SQ.

Bill

To decode digital streams in Zone 2 while decoding a digital stream in the main room requires a 2nd DSP..

Yes, I understand that. I am not asking for TWO digital sources at the same time. I only need ONE digital source, it can be the same as for zone 1. Most likely, I will be using only one zone at a time.

So I did download the manual, and it makes some comment about the digital OUT not working for zone 2, (bottom of page 58) which is also not relevant. I guess I did not ingest enough tequila to understand the manual yet? Has anyone tried sake, maybe that would work better.

So I will go ahead and run a boatload of analog cables as well as the digitals, and play around with it next week. Also I wonder if I should just use the "B" speakers, instead of zone 2, which might simplify the settings, since the source will always probably be CD or other 2 channel material. Do not forsee running both at the same time since the zone 2 is the kitchen, which is not completely closed off from the family room where the main zone is.

Has anyone besides mooneydriver tried the 3806 with 4 ohm speakers. I have been driving my Dahlquist DQ-30i (front 3)/ Klipsch Forte (surround) set-up with my little $400.00 Onkyo 600. It isn't rated for 4 ohm loads either but has held up well. I would like to think a higher end Denon would drive them. I was planning on picking it up as soon as it came out but now I am not so sure.
Any idea if bi-wiring the main speakers in a 5.1 set-up would make it easier to drive all five without issues?
I plan on getting an amp, but didn't want to spend the cash at the same time I buy the Denon.

Steve

Has anyone besides mooneydriver tried the 3806 with 4 ohm speakers. I have been driving my Dahlquist DQ-30i (front 3)/ Klipsch Forte (surround) set-up with my little $400.00 Onkyo 600. It isn't rated for 4 ohm loads either but has held up well. I would like to think a higher end Denon would drive them. I was planning on picking it up as soon as it came out but now I am not so sure.
Any idea if bi-wiring the main speakers in a 5.1 set-up would make it easier to drive all five without issues?
I plan on getting an amp, but didn't want to spend the cash at the same time I buy the Denon.

Steve


I'm wondering about this also, I'm considering a set of Rockets, which are 6 ohm, except for the center channel which is 4 ohm.

I'm using an AVR-3803 with Polk in wall LC265i's for front and center channels which are 4 ohm speakers. I'm using 6 & 8 ohm speakers for surround and rear channels, driving all 7 channels with no problems. I'm waiting to purchase a 3806 or 4306 once the HDMI switching question is straightened out. I don't think you'll have any problems with the 3806 with 4 ohm speakers. I also asked this very same question to the crutchfield rep this weekend and he confirmed that the 3 series Denons will power 4 ohm speakers without problems, despite Denon's recommendation to avoid them.

Any idea if bi-wiring the main speakers in a 5.1 set-up would make it easier to drive all five without issues?

Actually, you can do that with the 3806 (use the surround back channels for biamping the fronts).

It's also possible that the 3806 would drive five 4-ohm speakers without a problem (despite what the manual says about having to use 6-ohm speakers or higher). I'm beginning to think that my problem was related to 1) having a 4-ohm center speaker and 8-ohm L/R/surround speakers; 2) the Denon 3806 lacking independent power supplies for each channel and somehow not being able to provide enough current into the center channel in a DD/DTS dialogue scenario to drive a 4-ohm speaker while the other cannels are driving easier 8-ohm loads (during dialogue, the center channel already draws more current that the other channels). I'm not an audio engineer, so this is pure speculation.

Ok so has anyone had my 480p problem yet? I'd really like for someone to connect a DVD Player using component video to the 3806, then hdmi from the 3806 to the TV and run a progressive output from the dvd player. My picture jumps up and down when I do this.


Ok I tried this just now with my Xbox and Gamecube set to 480P, connected to the 3806 via component, HDMI out of the 3806 to my tv. Picture is fine, no problems at all.

Set up my 3806 last night and so far so good.

One thing though, the "multi" indicator stays on the amp and i can't turn it off.

The remote wont let me program my sony remote.....wow the manual is such a pain

Put me in the "EQ off" camp, sounds much better with it off, imo. SACD and DVD-A sound great, I got to hear my first DTS soundtrack tonight! Still needs tweaking, but I'm happy with the purchase.

OT question: EDIT: nevermind, I figured it out.

i also pressed user 1 on the front and now it seems my original settings have been changed....

any advice/comments please let me know

In regards to the hdcp/hdmi switching problem; i've noticed all complaints were by moto cable boxes. Are there any dish sat users with an hdmi input that works?

I'm wondering about this also, I'm considering a set of Rockets, which are 6 ohm, except for the center channel which is 4 ohm.

I just received Rocket 750's and the 200 which I power with a Denon 3802. I was also concerned about the fact that the 200 is rated at 4 ohms. But so far I have not had any problems with movies or SACD playback. Which I have played at some very loud levels -10 to -2.

Also I might add that the Rockets are a huge upgrade over my Def Tech 2006tl system.

Bill

It seems that getting the ELS 3 Epos would be fine with the 3806 based on what I read here. although I am still not sure. Can anyone yell ouy a yes its OK or no don't buy?

Thanks!

I'm still curious as to the crossover frequencies. After running the auto setup the Crossover Freq. Check screen shows:

Front Small: 200Hz
Center Small: 150Hz
Surround A Small: 110Hz


I get some pretty wacky crossover results too. And they don't jive with the readings I'm getting via Avia and my sound meter. After I went through the Audyssey setup, I just manually overrid the crossover settings but kept the channel level settings to whatever it found.

Maybe one of you guys can help me.
I bought the 3806 yesterday along with the DVD2910.
I have my cable box hooked up with component cables. I also have component out of the 3806. I have my DVD player attached to the 3806 with HDMI and HDMI monitor out to my samsung.

I can watch TV with the TV source set to component1. If I switch the source to HDMI I get no picture or sound.
When I try to use the DVD I get no picture whatsoever. For the most part everything is at default settings as it seemed to my untrained self that everything i needed 'on' was set that way. Like the conversion to HDMI.

I know this is a user error deal since the 2 Denon products MUST work together ok. right?
Any ideas what I could try to get this going?
I'd like ALL output to go through the HDMI if possible ('cept the menu. grrrr) it sounds like some of you got that going.

thx for any advice.

I just set these up last night for a friend. You have to hit Setup, then (IIRC) Video Inputs. From there, you can tell the receiver that DVD should look to the HDMI input for a signal.

hey Quill, thx. I went back to try what you suggested and noticed sometime when I was messing with it I mst have turned off conversion to HDMI. I turned it on and now have component in outputting via hdmi. (I was up till 4am last night and was dilerious.)p

I then went to 'HDMI In Assign', selection 1 of the video setup HDMI1.
on the right side it says
HDMI
[audio]:AMP
No Signal
1: EXT.In

tried switching to HDMI2 even tho I'm plugged into 1. nothing.
Is there something I need to set on the DVD player? I hit the HDMI selector on the dvd remote and it is on.
What I don't understand is the diff between YCbCr and RGB. You can choose either in the DVD HDMI selector and you can also choose from either one in the 3806 'HDMI Out Setup'.
Should they both be the same? I've tried both ways but figured I'd ask what it was I was changing.
thx for helping. This setup is definitely tougher than the yamaha 4600 I testdrove. But one surprise i didn't expect...NO AUDIO DELAY! at least with the cableTV. It was terrible with the yamaha. even the 250ms delay in the yammy didn't fix it all the time.
I haven't had to touch the delay settings of the 3806 at all. That is happiness.
Now I just need this DVD working. :)

What do you have the HDMI output set to on the DVD player? 480i by chance? If so switch it to 480p or 720p and see if that works.

Just read the posts on this thread for the last several weeks, and there is your reason why SACD and DVD-Audio will not make it. It's not the competition between Sony and Toshiba or whoever it is that supports DVD-Audio. Despite the better video and sound quality(*), DVDs succeeded because it was trivial to upgrade from VCRs to DVD players by using the same composite video cable and the analog audio inputs, and you did not need to rewind the DVDs! As far as I can tell, most consumers don't bother with the single most important improvement in DVDs vs VHS, sound quality. They just hook their $30 DVD player to a $80 Walmart TV and all is fine.

Getting multiple high-def inputs to switch properly or to get high-resolution audio to play accurately on today's complex home theater systems is way too much to ask for the average consumer. I *am* a rocket scientist and I am having difficulty getting all this stuff to work. Your average Tom, Dick, Mary, and Jose will not bother with all this stuff -- they have already declared MP3 the most successful audio format of all times, for god's sake!

Sigh.




(*) Consumers killed technologies with better sound or picture quality before, like Beta VCRs over VHS; or lossless DATs losing to MP3s and other sound cannibalization (**), err, compression schemes.

(**) Yes, I do have an iPod like everyone else. But I use Apple Lossless Compression!

Apple Lossless Compression!That's quite the oxymoronic name :)

everything is working. I'm liking it a lot. The auto setup wasn't that great had to tweak a lot but thats ok. thx for helping quill. it was user error btw. i'd rather not mention what it was. ;)

I am thinking of purchasing one of these receivers. Has anyone used 4 ohms speakers with this receiver? If so, what were the results? I'm asking as I don't see specifics on the Denon site. fyi - i have 4 ohm front left, center, front right with 8 ohm rear left, rear right.

There ARE NO Problems with 4Ohm Speakers...thats bullshit...

The 3806 has enough power.... the 3806 is certified for 4Ohm from DENON..

:rolleyes: Be very careful of 4ohm loads and A/V receivers. I shut down (thermal) a 3806 in 18 minutes driving a pair of 4 ohm 86db Dynaudio bookshelf speakers in two channel mode. Volume was 10db below reference.

Welcome to the board Alex!

There ARE NO Problems with 4Ohm Speakers...thats bullshit...

The 3806 has enough power.... the 3806 is certified for 4Ohm from DENON..

I presume you are not speaking from experience. Perhaps you should read my posts about my (former) 4 ohm center speaker, same thread, a couple of days back.

I'd also like to see that certification from Denon that you mention. Page 7 of the 3806 manual says otherwise re: low impedance speakers.

question... I have hooked my denon 3806 up with my xbox in componet 1, ps2 in comp2, and my dvd player in comp3. I have onecomponet monitor cable going to the tv. A couple of problems my Halo 2 now looks like crap, blurry...i mean much blurrier. When going through my old yamaha 5790 and even straight through my tv it look really good. Do i have a defective amp?

also the multi icon stays lit up on the right hand side of the display, why is this on can i turn it off??

please help,

tony

question... I have hooked my denon 3806 up with my xbox in componet 1, ps2 in comp2, and my dvd player in comp3. I have onecomponet monitor cable going to the tv. A couple of problems my Halo 2 now looks like crap, blurry...i mean much blurrier. When going through my old yamaha 5790 and even straight through my tv it look really good. Do i have a defective amp?

also the multi icon stays lit up on the right hand side of the display, why is this on can i turn it off??

please help,

tony

My "Muliti" indicator is also on all the time, I can't figure out why.

I've spent like 2 hours reading the manual and flipping through settings and i can't figure out why the multi icon is on....hoped someone would know. i'll try to call denon about it

has anyone had the blurry video issue with componet in/out, or think it is a defective amp??

one other thing to add, everytime one of those componet devices is selected through the amp it scambless the picture even when using the on screen menu.

I presume you are not speaking from experience. Perhaps you should read my posts about my (former) 4 ohm center speaker, same thread, a couple of days back.

I'd also like to see that certification from Denon that you mention. Page 7 of the 3806 manual says otherwise re: low impedance speakers.

http://www.denon.de/site/unten.php?main=prod&ver=&MID=3&sub=1&fill=1&action=detail&Pid=234&#

click at "Testberichte"

Anmerkung der DENON-Redaktion: Der Betrieb von Lautsprechern mit einer Impedanz von 4 Ohm ist an allen DENON A/V-Receivern/Verstärkern ausdrücklich freigegeben. 4-Ohm-Lautsprecher haben keinen negativen Einfluss auf die Funktionssicherheit und deshalb gilt auch bei dieser Konfiguration unsere 24-Monate-Garantie gemäß der Garantiebedingungen in vollem Umfang.


NO Problems with 2106 and 4 Ohm. And also no Problems with 3806.....

http://www.denon.de/site/unten.php?main=prod&ver=&MID=3&sub=1&fill=1&action=detail&Pid=234&#

click at "Testberichte"

Anmerkung der DENON-Redaktion: Der Betrieb von Lautsprechern mit einer Impedanz von 4 Ohm ist an allen DENON A/V-Receivern/Verstärkern ausdrücklich freigegeben. 4-Ohm-Lautsprecher haben keinen negativen Einfluss auf die Funktionssicherheit und deshalb gilt auch bei dieser Konfiguration unsere 24-Monate-Garantie gemäß der Garantiebedingungen in vollem Umfang.


NO Problems with 2106 and 4 Ohm. And also no Problems with 3806.....

Alex, you're wrong.

I have the 3806 ENGLISH manual in my hand.

Quote on page 7:

"Speakers with an impedance of from 6 to 16 ohms can be connected for use as front, center, surround and surround back speakers."
"Be careful when using two pairs of surround speakers (A+B) at the same time, since use of speakers with an impedance of less than 8 ohms will lead to damage."
"The protector circuit may be activated if the set is played for long periods of time at high volumes when speakers with an impedance lower than the specified impedance are connected"

However, in the specifications in the back of the manual, page 100, it does say this, which is what you are reading in German:
"Dynamic power: 210 W x 2ch (4 ohms)"

I think this is where you are getting confused. You can run **TWO** and only two channels at 4 ohms each, no problem. There is no load put on the amplifier in that case. However if you are running 7 speakers at 8 ohms in addition to a 4 ohm center channel on it, that loads the amplifier more than its designed for, and thus poor sound quality, shutting off, etc...

Thanks.

@ alex1971,


the quote you posted is written by the german pro denon fanboy mag *audio-vision* therefore it's just as use - and meaningless like a conversation about the backside of the moon...

Ok, so how about running the following 5 (+subwoofer) configuration:
Front left, center, front right = Totem 4 ohm speakers
Rear left, rear right = Totem 8 ohm speakers

If the Denon can't do it, does anyone have any recommendations to an A/V Receiver that can (I'd also like HDMI analog to digital transcoding and multi-channel support).

Thanks

PS - I'm currently using an Onkyo DS797 receiver (chip has been upgraded to get rid of the 'popping', but I don't get the feeling this receiver is driving these speakers correctly + I'd like the HDMI analog to digital transcoding)

@ alex1971,


the quote you posted is written by the german pro denon fanboy mag *audio-vision* therefore it's just as use - and meaningless like a conversation about the backside of the moon...

NO. The Test is Written by Audio-Vision. The Quote is from DENON itself....

I don't understand this 4 Ohm panic. My old Yamaha RX-V540 has no Problems with 4 Ohm ELAC 209.2 and 200.2 Center and HECO 4 Ohm Backs.....
Nobody can tell me, that the new AVR-3806 will have Problems with normal 4Ohm Speakers... Just Try it...
I get my AVR-3806 next week and all my Speakers are 4Ohm....
The AVR-3805 also had no problems with it... i tested it before....

How do you get the Set-up menu to appear on the screen? I've got a composite cable running directly from the monitor out jack on the receiver into my TV, but I can't get the menu to appear on the screen. Also had problems with HDMI switching, but that's a problem for later.

Nobody can tell me, that the new AVR-3806 will have Problems with normal 4Ohm Speakers... Just Try it...
I get my AVR-3806 next week and all my Speakers are 4Ohm....
The AVR-3805 also had no problems with it... i tested it before....

So, you *don't* have a 3806 after all and you're just speculating! You are also ignoring the statement in the English manual and quoting us from the German Denon site. I hope you are right and the 3806 works OK with your 4-ohm setup.

I *do* have a 3806 and a 4-ohm Monitor Audio center speaker which did not work with it. The speaker is fine and it still works with my old Sony ES receiver OK (at its 4 ohm speaker output setting). The rest of my speakers are 8-ohm Monitor Audio speakers.

There is a chance that my problem is caused by mixing 4-ohm and 8-ohm speakers. I am looking forward to hearing about your test results.

I have a 3803, rated 10 WPC less than the 3805 or 3806, and I'm running front and center channel 4 ohm Polk LC265i's. Surrounds and rears are 6 & 8 ohm speakers. I'm using this setup without any problems. I haven't had a single protection spike at near reference volume levels. The Denon 3 series receivers Can handle 4 ohm loads, despite the manual.

Wood2395 -- thanks for the feedback. The only issue is that you have a 3803, Alex1971 has a Yamaha receiver and tested an all-4-ohm setup on a 3805, and you are both conjecturing that everything will work fine on the 3806 although you have not tried 4-ohm setups on a 3806. True, the 3806 should work equally well as the earlier 3 series models if it has the same power supply and amplifier design. Does anyone know that for sure?

I do admit the possibility that there is something wrong with my 4-ohm center speaker (although it works fine on another receiver). Or perhaps there is something wrong with the center channel amp of my 3806 (but it works fine with an 8-ohm center speaker or an 8-ohm front speaker). But folks, please do not dismiss the possibility of problems with 4-ohm speakers on the 3806 until we have enough data points from actual 3806 users with 4-ohm speakers -- experience with earlier models does not necessarily prove that the newer model has the exact same capability.

This is my last post on this subject.

How do you get the Set-up menu to appear on the screen? I've got a composite cable running directly from the monitor out jack on the receiver into my TV, but I can't get the set-up menu to appear on the TV screen. I've tried using an s-video cable instead, running the composite into another TV, and still can't get the menu to appear. It did appear out-of-the-box, but I can't get it back, even after doing a reinitialization. I've also made sure that I'm not in "pure direct" mode which I know cuts off the video output.

Also,...I'm not sure if this is related, but on the Room Equalization button, why does it show only "Off" and "Manual Equalization" rather than "Audyssey, Flat, etc." Could that be because I did successfully program the Auto Set-up using the partial screen on the front of the receiver?

Please, someone, help with this. I can't do set-up properly without a screen menu. :( :confused:

Has anyone successfully made the remote control your tv's volume? When I have the remote set for tv, it controls everything else just fine, but when I hit the volume up/down it flashes the receiver icon first then the tv icon, and the tv volume never changes. I think it's set to punch through to the receiver volume, I'd like to undo that .

Do you think it's worth paying the extra money for the 3806 vice the cheaper 3805? A dealer said the following in a response to my email: "The 3806 receiver is definitely a big step up from the 3805 in terms of the features, technology and upgradability it offers. Its sound quality is also superior due to a redesigned pre-amp and some new processing chips."

To go to the 3806 it would cost me another $350.00 US.

By "features, technology and upgradability," he's basically talking about the HDMI video switching and the Audyssey Multi-whatever -- i.e., the ability to do room equalization for not just one position in the room, as with the 3805, but six. Other than those two features I'm not aware of any changes.
As for the sound quality being "superior due to a redesigned pre-amp and some new processing chips," there could be one or two different DSP options (super stadium, maybe?) but I'm not aware of any upgrades to the amps that would improve sound quality.
If I'm mistaken, I'm happy to be corrected as I faced the same dilemma and ended up springing for the 3806.

Please, someone, help with this. I can't do set-up properly without a screen menu. :( :confused:


You may have inadvertently turned the on screen menus off, I believe you can navigate through the menus using the front panel and turn the on screen back on.

I can't tell you how many times I've navigated through the menus using the front panel. There is actually something about "On-Screen" in the advanced menu, and I set it to "Yes", but still no picture. In fact, I'm not getting video output from any sources at all. I had the custom installer who sold me the receiver over today and we both came to the conclusion that the unit is defective on the video side. The audio, however, is great; big improvement over my previous Onkyo receiver.
Anyway, he said that's only the second Denon he's sold or installed that's been defective. I've got an e-mail in to a Denon product manager who used to be active in this forum spelling out the problem. I'm curious to hear his reply. Meanwhile, if anyone else can offer any magic solutions, or point out something obvious setting that I goofed on, please don't hesitate to reply. Nice as it was of my dealer to offer to swap it out, I'd rather just make this one work.

Is it possible you've set it to Pure Direct mode, thereby switching off the video circuit?

Do you think it's worth paying the extra money for the 3806 vice the cheaper 3805? A dealer said the following in a response to my email: "The 3806 receiver is definitely a big step up from the 3805 in terms of the features, technology and upgradability it offers. Its sound quality is also superior due to a redesigned pre-amp and some new processing chips."

To go to the 3806 it would cost me another $350.00 US.
s2silber outlined the major differences between the two. Also add transcoding from analog video sources to HDMI and inclusion of a microphone with the 3806 (worth $35 on eBay). 3805 already has room equalization. I like the Audyssey in the 3806 but I don't know whether the difference is substantial. The HDMI switching is a mixed bag -- it doesn't work with most cable boxes. Proprietary DSP modes don't do much for me.

If you don't have a need for transcoding to HDMI, and if you are not dead set on getting the latest in room equalization, the 3805 would be a perfectly fine receiver (and you'll save $350). Just my two cents' worth.

After running through auto setup (used 6 locations for the mic), I ran into a bit of an issue: All my speakers were set to large (I run a 5.1 setup). I have Klipcsh Reference (RF-35 LR, RC-35 C, RB-25 SLR). I decided to set all the speakers to Small and set the individual XOs to 40, 60, 60.

Will doing this invalidate the MultEQ calibration?

Is there a way to lock the speakers to Small and re-run auto setup again, optionally letting it decide the XO values?

Is it possible you've set it to Pure Direct mode, thereby switching off the video circuit?
No, I checked that already. It's just not outputting a video signal of any kind. I ended up running the Audyssey set-up using the front panel, which didn't let me see which sizes, distances, configurations, etc. the receiver chose. I just took it on faith and stored everything. Is there a way of going into the menu -- by panel -- and seeing what it stored?

s2silber outlined the major differences between the two. Also add transcoding from analog video sources to HDMI and inclusion of a microphone with the 3806 (worth $35 on eBay). 3805 already has room equalization. I like the Audyssey in the 3806 but I don't know whether the difference is substantial. The HDMI switching is a mixed bag -- it doesn't work with most cable boxes. Proprietary DSP modes don't do much for me.

If you don't have a need for transcoding to HDMI, and if you are not dead set on getting the latest in room equalization, the 3805 would be a perfectly fine receiver (and you'll save $350). Just my two cents' worth.
How about the amplification that the salesperson mentioned? Did that really change?

I am not aware of any upgrades to the preamp stage -- the press release does not mention it either. They would have made a big deal out of it in the press release if they had indeed made perceptible improvements to sound quality. This might be just dealer hype.

Browsing AVR-38xx units on Ebay, I was focusing on some units being advertised as being "NEW - FULL WARRANTY" that were being offered by a Seller with the Ebay identity "Hometheaterhome". I sent them a message asking if they were an authorized dealer and they replied that they were. I went through Denon's website list state by state but didn't see any such dealer listed. Is anyone familiar with the Ebay seller: Hometheaterhome?

GutterPoet, I emailed the seller and he said he is an authorized dealer but won't reveal his company's name until you purchase from him. I guess another dealer found out he was selling at dicounted prices and caused him some problems.

To the best of my knowledge, Denon does not enforce MSRP or even certain price parameters among its authorized dealers. It's just that they have less leeway in advertising their prices.

I am not aware of any upgrades to the preamp stage -- the press release does not mention it either. They would have made a big deal out of it in the press release if they had indeed made perceptible improvements to sound quality. This might be just dealer hype.

This info is on the Denon product sheet and the power changed by only 10W:

 'New DDSC-Digital,' for dramatically improved processing performance
The New DDSC (Dynamic Discrete Surround Circuit)-Digital is a high-quality
surround sound reproduction circuit designed by Denon, and forms the core of the
design concept that Denon pursues for all its A/V amps: to faithfully reproduce the
original intent of content producers. Denon has succeeded in developing a fully
discrete design for the New DDSC-Digital in which high-performance ICs are
used in independent blocks to form a signal processor that reproduces surround
sound, and the discrete design ensures that all channels are endowed with identical
response and quality of sound.
 High-Quality Sound Reproduction
• New High Resolution 32bit Floating Point DSP
• 24-bit/192-kHz D/A Converter
The latest high-accuracy 24-bit/192-kHz D/A converter has been employed
for the audio DAC.
• High-performance A/D Converter
A high-performance A/D converter of 24-bit/192-kHz quality has been used
to significantly boost S/N and dynamic range.

I'm having a problem connecting my 3806 with HDMI. I have five optical digital devices and only four (rear) optical inputs, so I wanted to use HDMI as a digital audio input to free up one of the optical digital inputs.

My only HDMI source is a Hughes HR10-250 HD DirecTiVo. I connected it to HDMI1 input and HDMI out to my Sony KDS-R60XBR1 TV. The TiVo to the TV works fine with HDMI connected directly for both video and audio.

I set the HDMI In Assign to HDMI1 for VDP (the source I chose for this) and set the Audio type to "AMP"

I can get the video to pass through no problem, but no audio at all through the receiver speakers. I played items that I know are multi-channel and no sound. If I choose a 2-channel show and select the "Analog" fall-back in the receiver HDMI In Assign audio sub-menu, and connect a L/R RCA audio, then I get sound, but when it goes back to 5.1 on the source, no sound comes out.

Am I missing something? If I just use HDMI for video and use an optical input for the audio channel for this source, then everything works fine, but that defeats the purpuse somewhat for using HDMI (I'd rather use my TV for video switching, since I can assign custom settings for each input).

Is the HR10-250 and 3806 compatible for HDMI audio?

At least you got video from the HR 10-250 to pass through the 3806 out to the TV with an HDMI connector. Some people have reported no video output at all.

does anyone else have the multi icon alway lite up on their 3806?

does anyone else have the multi icon alway lite up on their 3806?


Yes, I can't figure out how to turn it off.

Originally Posted by papaduxx
does anyone else have the multi icon alway lite up on their 3806?

Yes, I can't figure out how to turn it off.

Try pressing the AMP button on the remote multiple times - it cycles through the zones... drove me crazy because the soft buttons on the remote weren't showing up properly.

DE

Alright I've got what may be a stupid question, why do I have no subwoofer output when in Pure Direct mode? Left and right work fine, but the sub receives no signal as soon as pure direct is turned on.


And I tried cycling through the amp functions on the remote, no change on the "Multi" indicator.

Just got my 3806 about an hour ago. I was reluctant to buy the 3806 because it initially was attractive to me for the HDMI switching. I have a Sony TV with one HDMI input and have a HDMI DVD player and a SA 8300HD DVR. I've diligently been reading all the threads concerning the 3806 and the problems with the HDMI switching with the cable boxes. While it was discouraging that the cable boxes didn't work properly, I decided to spend the money on the 3806 anyway for all of its other good qualities. I'm glad I did. So far my cable box works perfectly with the HDMI input. Anyway that's my story. Just wanted to report some good news.

Just found a setting for Direct / Stero. The default setting is Front:Large Subwoofer:No
You can change the setting to turn the sub on in Direct / Stereo mode. Should have the same effect for Pure Direct. It under menu 5. Advanced Playback > 1. 2ch Direct/Stereo

Anyone having problems programming the remote?

I can't set any of the programmable features -- brightness, display duration, etc. -- and I can not program any of the "other" vendor codes. It seems the remote simply does not respond when pressing setup for 2-3 seconds. It is like the programmable and learning functionality does not exist.

Appreciate some guidance!!

Just found a setting for Direct / Stero. The default setting is Front:Large Subwoofer:No
You can change the setting to turn the sub on in Direct / Stereo mode. Should have the same effect for Pure Direct. It under menu 5. Advanced Playback > 1. 2ch Direct/Stereo


I just checked that, it was set up correctly (small and sub on).

Anyone having problems programming the remote?

I can't set any of the programmable features -- brightness, display duration, etc. -- and I can not program any of the "other" vendor codes. It seems the remote simply does not respond when pressing setup for 2-3 seconds. It is like the programmable and learning functionality does not exist.

Appreciate some guidance!!


The 3806 remote has 2 setup buttons. Upper middle left and very bottom right hand side of the remote. The setup button you want is on the lower right.

I just checked that, it was set up correctly (small and sub on).Pure direct turns off bass management, so that setting has no effect in that mode.

Many thanks!! programming as I type!

Pure direct turns off bass management, so that setting has no effect in that mode.


So there is no way to keep signal going to the sub in Pure Direct?

I also have the "multi" lit on the front display..cant seem to get it to go away..

Whats the deal ? I see there have been 3~4 people with this same problem with no resolution

Cant get x-box ( or anything connected to component inputs through the reciever ) to go through the hdmi cable out to my Panasonic AE500 PJ ..also cant get display on screen through hdmi..Had to hook up a freakin 40 ft component cable to my PJ to get the display and x-box to work..Just what I didnt want to do.

Tried turning conversion on/off and messing with all the set options I could see on the 3806 to get component to come through the hdmi cable to the Pj without success..

Im using an hdmi cable with a dvi adapter to my PJ ( the panasonic ae500 only has dvi ) ..could this be the problem ?

I can get the pioneer 59avi hooked up via hdmi to the reciever to work properly through the hdmi out to the PJ.

Also auto eq set all my bookshelf VS vr-1's to large for some reason ( I tried 6 mic positions )

If I set the speakers back to small does that de-activate or effect negatively the auto eq settings ?

I was able to get the AVR-3806 to HDMI switch between my Oppo DVD player and the HD Tivo. At first the HD Tivo signal was garbage over HDMI but I unplugged the Tivo, removed the output component cables and then turned off all upconvert/analog convert video options on the Denon. Now the Denon will switch between the HDTivo and Oppo without any problems. Not sure which change made it work.

I'm still trying to decide if the HDMI cable from the Tivo directly to the Projector is noticeably better than going through the receiver. I can say for sure that the HD Tivo output is much better over the HDMI cable than the 25' component cable.

Just to make sure I understand...you're saying that after disconnecting component cables from your HR10-250 it is now successfully passing signals via HDMI through the 3806 amd out again to your monitor via the HDMI Out connection and that you are able to switch been the HR10-250 and your DVD player through one HDMI connection to the monitor? And this worked because you turned off the analog to HDMI conversion option? How is your DVD player connected to the 3806?

Just to make sure I understand...you're saying that after disconnecting component cables from your HR10-250 it is now successfully passing signals via HDMI through the 3806 amd out again to your monitor via the HDMI Out connection and that you are able to switch been the HR10-250 and your DVD player through one HDMI connection to the monitor? And this worked because you turned off the analog to HDMI conversion option? How is your DVD player connected to the 3806?

I have a DVI-HDMI cable between the Oppo DVD player and the AVR-3806 HDMI Input 1.

I have a HDMI-HDMI cable between the HDTivo and the AVR-3806 HDMI Input 2.

I have a 30' cheapo HDMI cable from the AVR-3806 HDMI out to an Optoma H78 using a HDMI-DVI adapter at the PJ.

I use the optical out on the HDTivo and the Oppo DVD player.

I have nothing plugged into the HDTivo component output RCA jacks.

I turned off all the video related options in the AVR-3806. I no longer can get the 3806 menus to appear on my PJ.

I bought the HDTivo the first day they were available. I've never used the HDMI output until now.

The dealer now quoted me a better price for the 3806 and it is only $220.00 more than the 3805. This seems like a good deal. Are the extra features worth the added expense, which I don't think is much? I take it this new unit is just as good, if not better than the 3805?

I have a DVI-HDMI cable between the Oppo DVD player and the AVR-3806 HDMI Input 1.

I have a HDMI-HDMI cable between the HDTivo and the AVR-3806 HDMI Input 2.

I have a 30' cheapo HDMI cable from the AVR-3806 HDMI out to an Optoma H78 using a HDMI-DVI adapter at the PJ.

I use the optical out on the HDTivo and the Oppo DVD player.

I have nothing plugged into the HDTivo component output RCA jacks.

I turned off all the video related options in the AVR-3806. I no longer can get the 3806 menus to appear on my PJ.

I bought the HDTivo the first day they were available. I've never used the HDMI output until now.

I also can get my HD TiVo to pass video through the 3806 to the TV, but I can't get the audio to play through the 3806. I see that you use optical to conenct audio to the 3806 - did you also have problems with audio through amp from HD TiVo?

I can get the 3806 on-screen menus to appear over HDMI cable to my TV. I don't have any component cables from HD TiVo, just HDMI. Also, I have analog upconvert for HDMI set to on.

The dealer now quoted me a better price for the 3806 and it is only $220.00 more than the 3805. This seems like a good deal. Are the extra features worth the added expense, which I don't think is much? I take it this new unit is just as good, if not better than the 3805?

There are a few main feature upgrades between 3805 and 3806:

1. HDMI switching and upconversion (although some of us are experiencing less-than-perfect compatibility)
2. built-in XM radio tuner (need antenna and subscription).
3. auto setup EQ function is now Audyssey's MultiEQ. It includes the microphone. It does 6-point sampling, whereas the 3805 used a different system with one point sampling and the microphone was a separate purchase ($60 MSRP).
4. the remote controls are different
5. "New DDSC-Digital" sound chips which supposedly make this model sound better if you believe the marketing.

So, notwithstanding previously reported problems with outputting digital video from the HR10-250 to monitors through the 3806, it seems it is possible, after all. (Personally, I've got a unit with defective video which I'm waiting to exchange.) Anyway, I wonder what the problem is with the audio portion of the HD Tivo feed?

There are a few main feature upgrades between 3805 and 3806:

1. HDMI switching and upconversion (although some of us are experiencing less-than-perfect compatibility)
2. built-in XM radio tuner (need antenna and subscription).
3. auto setup EQ function is now Audyssey's MultiEQ. It includes the microphone. It does 6-point sampling, whereas the 3805 used a different system with one point sampling and the microphone was a separate purchase ($60 MSRP).
4. the remote controls are different
5. "New DDSC-Digital" sound chips which supposedly make this model sound better if you believe the marketing.
Also an increase in power from 110 wpc to 120 wpc, fwiw.

I see that you use optical to conenct audio to the 3806 - did you also have problems with audio through amp from HD TiVo?

The sound didn't work over HDMI so I just used optical. I really haven't tried tweaking anything yet, just disabled everything I thought could make it not work and then when it worked I turned everything off. Tonight I might optimize my settings. The only reason I'm bothering with this is because I can tell a difference between the HDMI and component video quality. I'm sure part of the difference is that I'm able to better calibrate the HDMI input on the PJ with Avia but have no way to calibrate the Component input on the PJ (I have heard the Component output on the Oppo doesn't work at 720P).

Also an increase in power from 110 wpc to 120 wpc, fwiw.

There is a bit of confusion, but I think most sources say 3805 is 120W/channel. Denon's spec sheet and manual say this, but their web chart says 110W. I think the 3805 and 3806 are equal at 120W.

MSRP for 3806 is $1300, 3805 was $1200, but I think most places list the 3805 for $1000 list now (before any discounting). Perhaps MSRP has officially dropped to this level since it is the older model.

Also an increase in power from 110 wpc to 120 wpc, fwiw.
It seems that the 3805 had 120 wpc by some reports including review from Audioholics. It seems some info at Denon site has more then a few people scratching their heads

I've never had a sub before, so I was just wondering if it was a good idea or not to run it off the switched power supply on the back of the Denon.

Thanks in advance.

it looks like the 3806 has independent crossovers for each channel group....can someone who owns one confirm this....also, how much does it weight

Yes it does have independent crossover adjustment for each channel as low as 40hz.


BTW the argument regarding the Denons ability to power 4 ohm speakers....the Denon manager (cant remember if he was a product developer or not but he knew his product, I have his name upstairs in my training guide)guy told us that the Denon receivers will safely power a 4 ohm speaker safely but they do not list this ability in their manual. If I remember correctly they dont list this because it gets so hot you have to make sure to have a lot of ventilation and for some customers they would not even read that part. But in our soundroom it will power Martin Logan and Vienna 4 ohm speakers all day without a problem.

About the voices from the center channel thing: My 3806 powering my Polk Audio CSI40 sounds just as clear as when I had it bi-amped off of an Onkyo M-282 power amp with an Onkyo txsr-700 as the preamp. I did notice that the decoding is far superior now. For example the voices that are dubbed over in the movie "sin city" now come from the front 3 speakers with dramatic presense where on my old receiver it sounded like the center only...interesting. (playing in DTS in both cases) I have also heard this before on some DTS soundtracks switching between receiver brands.

Hope this helps, let me know if you need any clarification...I realized I just wrote a whole bunch up there :-)

Andrew

There is a bit of confusion, but I think most sources say 3805 is 120W/channel. Denon's spec sheet and manual say this, but their web chart says 110W. I think the 3805 and 3806 are equal at 120W.

MSRP for 3806 is $1300, 3805 was $1200, but I think most places list the 3805 for $1000 list now (before any discounting). Perhaps MSRP has officially dropped to this level since it is the older model.

You are correct on the pricing as I work for a Denon dealer. The only reason the 3805 is still listed and being sold in quantity is the sheer amount of them still floating around in dealer inventory so they had to officially drop the price to $999.99 msrp to sell them off since the replacement came out before all the old ones were gone. Same holds true for some of the entry level receivers like the 1705 too.

Andrew

> you have to make sure to have a lot of ventilation
Thanks for your info. I have plenty of ventilation and am inching towards puchasing the 3806 to drive my Totem 4 ohm speakers...

> you have to make sure to have a lot of ventilation
Thanks for your info. I have plenty of ventilation and am inching towards puchasing the 3806 to drive my Totem 4 ohm speakers...


No problem darcraver. If you want to be extra sure about cooling the amp I used to use "chillmats" on mine. They are made by Targus to cool down notebook computers. It is basically a thin plastic case with two very quiet fans in it to pull the heat out and blow it out the back. They run off of USB because it is designed for a laptop. So I just bought a cheap USB powered hub (to basically use as a power adaptor) and plugged it into the switched outlet on my receiver so essentially when the amp turns on the fans come on. Its not as cheap as a DIY project but it doesn't require any soldering or anything, just plug and play.

Andrew

Well I got off the 3806 or 74txvi fence and went with the 3806. I found it a tough choice but after several demos at different Tweeters in my area I decided to stay with Denon (3806 replaced a 3802). I have not had a chance to do any type of calibration but the SQ out of the box is quite a bit better than the 3802.

I was hoping to get a receiver with i-link but at this time do not listen to that many SACD's. I am planning on getting a Pioneer 79avi but might try a 3910 in order to take advantage of the Denon link. I have a Panasonic 42WD6UY and am a liitle concerned about the reported macroblocking on the 3910 but I might try it anyhow. Well back to the World Series, will report back after I can run the auto set-up.

Bill

I also have the "multi" lit on the front display..cant seem to get it to go away..

Whats the deal ? I see there have been 3~4 people with this same problem with no resolution


Cant get x-box ( or anything connected to component inputs through the reciever ) to go through the hdmi cable out to my Panasonic AE500 PJ ..also cant get display on screen through hdmi..Had to hook up a freakin 40 ft component cable to my PJ to get the display and x-box to work..Just what I didnt want to do.

Tried turning conversion on/off and messing with all the set options I could see on the 3806 to get component to come through the hdmi cable to the Pj without success..

Im using an hdmi cable with a dvi adapter to my PJ ( the panasonic ae500 only has dvi ) ..could this be the problem ?

I can get the pioneer 59avi hooked up via hdmi to the reciever to work properly through the hdmi out to the PJ

ANYBODY ? ..

I've never had a sub before, so I was just wondering if it was a good idea or not to run it off the switched power supply on the back of the Denon.

Thanks in advance.

I initially connected my sub through the switched output on the 3806 and ran it like that for a day or two, but have it now plugged into wall socket

However, in the manual it says that that switched power output is only rated for 120W / 1A, so if your subwoofer uses more power than that (most do), then don't connect it to this switched outlet.

Could blow an internal fuse? Probably not. I suspect that it just will be unable to deliver more than 120W to your sub, so you could get poor output from your sub or even some clipping?

I also have the "multi" lit on the front display..cant seem to get it to go away..

Whats the deal ? I see there have been 3~4 people with this same problem with no resolution


Cant get x-box ( or anything connected to component inputs through the reciever ) to go through the hdmi cable out to my Panasonic AE500 PJ ..also cant get display on screen through hdmi..Had to hook up a freakin 40 ft component cable to my PJ to get the display and x-box to work..Just what I didnt want to do.

Tried turning conversion on/off and messing with all the set options I could see on the 3806 to get component to come through the hdmi cable to the Pj without success..

Im using an hdmi cable with a dvi adapter to my PJ ( the panasonic ae500 only has dvi ) ..could this be the problem ?

I can get the pioneer 59avi hooked up via hdmi to the reciever to work properly through the hdmi out to the PJ

ANYBODY ? ..


You have to go into the video setup screen and assign the Component video (called RCA 1, RCA 2, and RCA 3) and HDMI inputs to the various inputs (VCR 1, DVD, DBS, etc.) Hope that helps.

I am using an hdmi > dvi adaptor for my system and it runs perfectly.

Yeah I have the same "multi" icon thing but its so small I dont notice unless I walk up and stare at it. Dont know what it means or how to get rid of it but oh well. I also prefer the sound with "Room Eq" off. It really sounds muffled with it on compared to it off. I looked at the EQ parameters and it backed off my high frequencies a whole lot, kinda weird because I thought it needed more. I went through and just set it up with my own SPL meter and forget the Audyssey thing, I set my own crossovers too because it sure did set my bookshelf rears to large.

Andrew

...and although I won't be setting it up for a few weeks (my HT room is still under construction :( ), I wanted to ask if anyone had any tips for setting it up and breaking it in. I'm especially interested in things that might be counterintuitive in terms of connecting components, using the HDMI video switching, etc.

Just for reference, in the end it will be powering a 7.1 system (Mirage Uni-Theater L/R/C, Omni-Sat Micro surrounds, S-10 sub), fed by a DBS HD DVR and a DVD/SACD player, both via HDMI, and running a single HMDI video-only feed to the monitor. Sounds pretty simple to me, but if the Denon has any tricks up its sleeve, I'd be grateful for the head's-up.

One basic question: All the speaker terminals accept banana plugs, right? The Denon advert says so, but...

Cheers.

--- das

...and although I won't be setting it up for a few weeks (my HT room is still under construction :( ), I wanted to ask if anyone had any tips for setting it up and breaking it in. I'm especially interested in things that might be counterintuitive in terms of connecting components, using the HDMI video switching, etc.

Just for reference, in the end it will be powering a 7.1 system (Mirage Uni-Theater L/R/C, Omni-Sat Micro surrounds, S-10 sub), fed by a DBS HD DVR and a DVD/SACD player, both via HDMI, and running a single HMDI video-only feed to the monitor. Sounds pretty simple to me, but if the Denon has any tricks up its sleeve, I'd be grateful for the head's-up.

One basic question: All the speaker terminals accept banana plugs, right? The Denon advert says so, but...

Cheers.

--- das


Yes sir all terminals accept banana plugs.

Set up is pretty simple, just remember to assign your component video connections and digital connections to the correct input or else you wont get picture or sound. (Tell it DVD is OPTICAL 2 and COMP 1, etc.) Also after you run auto setup listen to it with Audyssey ON and OFF you may find that you prefer the sound with it OFF like many of us have discovered.

Andrew

Regarding an earlier comment: I'm pretty certain you cannot have both component output, and DVI output at the same time from the HDTivo. Haven't tried it since I first set things up, so I don't recall if it kills both outputs, or just defaults to one of them. At any rate (ignoring the Audio via HDMI issue), this may explain at least one case where someone said the 3806 HDMI switching didn't work with this particular input.

Yes sir all terminals accept banana plugs.


Andrew


But not dual banana plugs, the spacing is off. I had to "modify" my dualies. :confused:

But not dual banana plugs, the spacing is off. I had to "modify" my dualies.

Sorry for bein' ignorant and all that, but what are "dual banana plugs"? :confused:

I guess I'm in the minority, but I prefer the EQ settings with Audyssey on. I was trying to decide which setting I liked better for a while. Doing AB tests, I could only discern that they sounded "different," but not necessarily better or worse. Well after spending about a week with it off and on (i haven't tried flat or front yet), but I have found that with the audyssey on, the steering effects and panning are spot on and very 3 dimensional whereas with it off, these effects where more one dimensional and less focused/more muddy. The caveat is that my room is a bit of an acoustical nightmare. The total space is about 14x20, but the left side opens up to another large area. Before I felt like the imaging was blurred by reverb as my room does exhibit some slap echo.

Hope my experiences help someone out there.
Now I have to figure out which mode I like better for Dolby PLIIx, cinema or music. Music seems to allow dialogue to float into the mains whereas the cinema mode anchors the dialogue exclusively to the center. For now, I'm sticking with cinema, but for those that have trouble with dialogue might want to give it a try.

Sorry for bein' ignorant and all that, but what are "dual banana plugs"? :confused:

They're the ones that stick together instead of are separate. Like:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=091-334

as opposed to these:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=091-330

On the 3806, and a lot of other wall plates and receivers, whenever they don't "fit" dual bananas, they often can fit in a weird way. Like instead of running the + and - into each dual banana, you can run + and + to a dual, then - and - to another dual.

So... in this photo:
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2005/033/x033AV3806S-B.jpeg

Putting one speaker cable's two wires into one dual banana would not fit because the red and black are too far apart. But, if you run the negative from the front right and the negative from the front left into a dual banana, then plug that dual banana horizontally into the front left and right black, it'll fit. Same with the reds.

Of course, this is all moot if you just use singles.:D

I'm using the HDMI switching successfully between my 3910 DVD player with an HDMI->HDMI cable, and my HTPC with a DVI->HDMI cable. I have a 30' HDMI cable running from the receiver to my projector.

Interestingly, the Nvidia driver on the PC now detects the display as "DENON AVR"

I like the sound with Audessey on, but I did have to go back and tweak the crossover settings, levels and change the fronts to "small."

DE

I discovered a problem with the 3806 EXT. IN., and wonder if anybody else experience the similar thing:

1. When I switch to EXT. IN., I get sounds from only center and rear.
2. When I switch back, still no sound from front. I had this symptom twice (every time I switched to EXT. IN.) and it recovered from no-front symptom after a day of power disconnect, and last time after a few trials with S/PDIF inputs.
3. At the last time when it recovered from the no-front symptom, it first didn't have the rear sound output. After I turned up the volume quite a bit, I heard some bad playback like with bad contact on the cable, then it came back to normal(?) sound after some seconds or maybe a few minutes.

I wonder if this is plaguing many or at least a few systems, or specific to only my unit.

Putting one speaker cable's two wires into one dual banana would not fit because the red and black are too far apart. But, if you run the negative from the front right and the negative from the front left into a dual banana, then plug that dual banana horizontally into the front left and right black, it'll fit. Same with the reds.

Of course, this is all moot if you just use singles.:D


I wish I had thought of this before I "modded" my duals! :(

Just got my 3806 about an hour ago. I was reluctant to buy the 3806 because it initially was attractive to me for the HDMI switching. I have a Sony TV with one HDMI input and have a HDMI DVD player and a SA 8300HD DVR. I've diligently been reading all the threads concerning the 3806 and the problems with the HDMI switching with the cable boxes. While it was discouraging that the cable boxes didn't work properly, I decided to spend the money on the 3806 anyway for all of its other good qualities. I'm glad I did. So far my cable box works perfectly with the HDMI input. Anyway that's my story. Just wanted to report some good news.
This is the exact set up I have and I cannot get the SA box to switch thru the 3806, I get the HDCP non compliance error. How did you get it to work?

I had to connect the SA Box via component......would have loved to just go HDMI form the SA Box and the DVD player to the 3806, then HDMI from the 3806 to the TV......Just confirming that is what you did..........You seem to be the only sucessful person that has done this with a SA 8300HD box.

Please share the secret!

As I finsh my Media Room where my 3806 will be located, I got my wife to agree a nice 23-26" LCD would be nice in the next room with the pool table. So I ran some component and audio cables from the area where the 3806 will be to the mounting location of the TV. Ran a CAT5 also for the IR.

I know I can use IR Blasters to control the 3806 and I will be using them on my HD TiVo to change channels.

So my question is can I run a direct connection using 3.5mm plugs from my Niles IR control unit into the IR port on the back of the 3806?

Thanks.

Ok, dumb Denon question that I won't be able to figure out until I plug these in. I'm getting the 3806 and will be hooking it up to the 3910. Planning on using Denon Link, but everywhere in the manual says that won't work for SACD. Do I really have to connect via analog for SACDs and use the Denon Link for everything else? Will I have to force the signal over analog somehow when I want to put in an SACD, or will it auto-detect and run over analog?

The Denon website says the 3910 will support SACD via Link, but it has a "*" next to it, which of course is not explained anywhere. The 3806 supposedly supports "Link 3", but the 3910 only says it supports "SE", which I think is the same as "Link 2".

I'd really like to just use the Link connection for everything.

Thanks in advance for anyone who has already tackled this. What a pain!

- JonJ

The AVR-3806 is able to run SACD via Denon-Link.
The DVD-3910 needs a Firmwareupdate to use SACD via Denon-Link.

If you don't find the Update in web go to your DENON-Dealer to make an Update... :cool:

[QUOTE=alex1971]The AVR-3806 is able to run SACD via Denon-Link.
The DVD-3910 needs a Firmwareupdate to use SACD via Denon-Link.

Is that true for units just produced, I would think all firmware updates would be done.

Bill

This is the exact set up I have and I cannot get the SA box to switch thru the 3806, I get the HDCP non compliance error. How did you get it to work?

I had to connect the SA Box via component......would have loved to just go HDMI form the SA Box and the DVD player to the 3806, then HDMI from the 3806 to the TV......Just confirming that is what you did..........You seem to be the only sucessful person that has done this with a SA 8300HD box.

Please share the secret!
I can't even get the HDCP non-compliance error on the screen for my HR10-25 DirecTV HD Tivo, just a blank screen. Could that actually be a hopeful sign that there's a problem with the HDMI cable, or some set-up error? HDMI analog conversion out to TV works fine, by the way.

So my question is can I run a direct connection using 3.5mm plugs from my Niles IR control unit into the IR port on the back of the 3806?


I'm not sure if the different amp manufacturers use different formats for their IR control ports, but I use this exact approach to control my Onkyo TX-NR900 amp from a Russound IR control unit, which is pretty similar to the Niles unit.

-- Dave

[QUOTE=alex1971]The AVR-3806 is able to run SACD via Denon-Link.
The DVD-3910 needs a Firmwareupdate to use SACD via Denon-Link.

Is that true for units just produced, I would think all firmware updates would be done.

Bill

Newest produced units are with updated DENONLINK, thats true.
But do you know, how long a DVD-3910 you buy today was in the Backroom of the dealer.. ;-)

[QUOTE=Bill Mac]

Newest produced units are with updated DENONLINK, thats true.
But do you know, how long a DVD-3910 you buy today was in the Backroom of the dealer.. ;-)

I would think there would be some type of production date on the box you could check, or on the unit itself. If I was to buy one I would make sure it was a recent production unit. At around $1399.00 I am not about to buy one that I would have to do any updates at all.

Bill

Want,

I have a Panny S97 DVD Player connected to the 3806 using HDMI cable.
I have the SA 8300HD DVR connected to the 3806 using HDMI cable.
I have the 3806 connected to a Sony KD-34XBR960 using HDMI.
I have no other video or audio cables connected. Simple as it can be.
Maybe the DVR box is newer than others. I don't see a date code on it though.

Want,

I have a Panny S97 DVD Player connected to the 3806 using HDMI cable.
I have the SA 8300HD DVR connected to the 3806 using HDMI cable.
I have the 3806 connected to a Sony KD-34XBR960 using HDMI.
I have no other video or audio cables connected. Simple as it can be.
Maybe the DVR box is newer than others. I don't see a date code on it though.


Michael,

How recently did you get your SA 8300? I have a SA 8000 which I am upgrading to the 8300 and was hoping to get the newest version. Sounds promising that yours is working well.

Thanks, Bill

My rear speakers are barely audible, you can hear certain things from them but you have to be close to them to hear things like a crowd cheering in the background of a football game...is this intended? Or can I turn the volume up of the back speakers? If I turn them up will the RoomEQ settings (i.e. how far each speaker is) be screwed up?

I'm new to the forum and have found it very informative. As a new 3806 owner, I have found the set-up somewhat frustrating. I am only running 5.1 surround and believe I have the physical connections correct (surround back speakers to the back outputs, R&L front to the front outputs, nothing to Surround A or B). Can someone please confirm this?

When playing CDs (2 channel stereo audio), I would like to use the rear surround speakers as a second set out. Is there a way to do this? Currently my center channel is outputting sound when I am trying to run stereo audio. Is this due to a surround setting that I "made"?

I am using a Scientific "Craplantic" digital cable box with DVI out. When I run from the box to the receiver and receiver to my Toshiba DLP I get nothing. My guess is with that the cable box and receiver aren't compatible. Anyone with a similar issue?

I downloaded the owner's manual from Denon and it IS different from the one that came with the box. Hopefully this will help resolve some of the issues I am having.

Addio

I'm new to the forum and have found it very informative. As a new 3806 owner, I have found the set-up somewhat frustrating. I am only running 5.1 surround and believe I have the physical connections correct (surround back speakers to the back outputs, R&L front to the front outputs, nothing to Surround A or B). Can someone please confirm this?

When playing CDs (2 channel stereo audio), I would like to use the rear surround speakers as a second set out. Is there a way to do this? Currently my center channel is outputting sound when I am trying to run stereo audio. Is this due to a surround setting that I "made"?

I am using a Scientific "Craplantic" digital cable box with DVI out. When I run from the box to the receiver and receiver to my Toshiba DLP I get nothing. My guess is with that the cable box and receiver aren't compatible. Anyone with a similar issue?

I downloaded the owner's manual from Denon and it IS different from the one that came with the box. Hopefully this will help resolve some of the issues I am having.

Addio I might be wrong ,but I think you should have your surrounds connected to the other sourround connections on receiver not the rears. rears I think are for 7.1

My rear speakers are barely audible, you can hear certain things from them but you have to be close to them to hear things like a crowd cheering in the background of a football game...is this intended? Or can I turn the volume up of the back speakers? If I turn them up will the RoomEQ settings (i.e. how far each speaker is) be screwed up?
Try playing a chapter from a DVD movie such as a battle scene with bullets flying or helicopters buzzing. If these surround effects are still barely audible, then run your set-up again, making sure that the correct speakers have been identified. If it's all good, it's probably the particular game or show you're watching. Also, is the game in Dolby Digital 5.1 or ProLogic Cinema II?

My rear speakers are barely audible, you can hear certain things from them but you have to be close to them to hear things like a crowd cheering in the background of a football game...is this intended? Or can I turn the volume up of the back speakers? If I turn them up will the RoomEQ settings (i.e. how far each speaker is) be screwed up?
As far as football games are concerned i think activity from surrounds can vary game to game. Today Foxs Giant game my surrounds were not to active or loud, but on Foxes second game Eagles they were very active and loud also CBS San Diego game they were loud and active. But to really test them do what the previous poster said to do with dvd.

Michael,

How recently did you get your SA 8300? I have a SA 8000 which I am upgrading to the 8300 and was hoping to get the newest version. Sounds promising that yours is working well.

Thanks, Bill

I received the box on Sep. 7, 2005.

I just found the manufactured date which is March 13, 2005.
It also says revision 1.3 on the label.

As far as football games are concerned i think activity from surrounds can vary game to game. Today Foxs Giant game my surrounds were not to active or loud, but on Foxes second game Eagles they were very active and loud also CBS San Diego game they were loud and active. But to really test them do what the previous poster said to do with dvd.



Yeah I was watching the REDSKIN'S game (screw the Giants ;) )


well, if it was barely audible for you, I guess its okay...I turned my rear speakers up to +4.5DB each and the sound coming out from them was pretty good...

I received the box on Sep. 7, 2005.

I just found the manufactured date which is March 13, 2005.
It also says revision 1.3 on the label.

Michael,

Thanks for the info. Now when I go to pick one up I can see if it is 1.3 and hopefully it will work through the 3806 on HDMI. I wonder what revision other people have, especially those that are having trouble.

Thanks again, Bill

[QUOTE=Rayman2k2]Yeah I was watching the REDSKIN'S game (screw the Giants ;) It was a nice win for us :) I won't rub it in because I know we still have to play your team on the road and I know the Skins will be tough at home. Can't believe that the game is on Christmas Eve, have to tell the wife not to include me in on going anywhere that day, unless there is a nice big widescreen set at our destination.

I wish I had thought of this before I "modded" my duals! :(

I'm not a self professed Home Theater Convenientologist for nothing :p

I am only running 5.1 surround and believe I have the physical connections correct (surround back speakers to the back outputs, R&L front to the front outputs, nothing to Surround A or B). Can someone please confirm this?You need to connect your surround speakers to Surround A. Surround Backs are for a 7.1 setup. Run auto-setup afterwards.

When playing CDs (2 channel stereo audio), I would like to use the rear surround speakers as a second set out. Is there a way to do this? Currently my center channel is outputting sound when I am trying to run stereo audio. Is this due to a surround setting that I "made"?
Look at the front of your receiver to see what it's outputting. It's most likely in one of the DPL modes. To get what you're asking for, set it to 7(5)-channel mode. If you don't want the center channel in that mode, turn it down.

I received the box on Sep. 7, 2005.

I just found the manufactured date which is March 13, 2005.
It also says revision 1.3 on the label.


Thanks, I will check my 8300hd box date and if it is not 1.3, change to it.

I am running the 3806 with a 1920 DVD player all hooked to a Toshiba 62MX195........will let you all know if I am successful!!

[QUOTE=alex1971]

I would think there would be some type of production date on the box you could check, or on the unit itself. If I was to buy one I would make sure it was a recent production unit. At around $1399.00 I am not about to buy one that I would have to do any updates at all.

Bill

Check the back of your 3910 at the Denon Link jack. If it says Denon Link 3rd, it has the firmware update. If the Denon Link 2nd sticker is still on, you need a firmware update to play SACD.

/George

Does anybody have any experience connecting a Motorola DCT5100 or DCT 6412 to the Denon 3806 via component video and then HDMI from teh 3806 to a TV? This is likely to be my setup and I'm wondering if I will have any video transmission problems that would necessitate connecting the component output from either of the Motorola boxes directly to the TV.

(note: I won't have both Motorola boxes, just one or the other, but I haven't yet decided if I'm going HD or HD + DVR)

I can't even get the HDCP non-compliance error on the screen for my HR10-25 DirecTV HD Tivo, just a blank screen. Could that actually be a hopeful sign that there's a problem with the HDMI cable, or some set-up error? HDMI analog conversion out to TV works fine, by the way.

I connected the HR10-250 HD DirecTiVo to the 3806 with the cable included with the HDTiVo and from the 3806 to my TV with a similar HDMI cable and was able to get HDMI video to pass through my 3806 to the TV. Audio will pass-through to the TV also, but I can't get the audio to play through the amp speakers, even when the "AMP" setting is on on the HDMI menus. I think this is a compatibility problem between the 3806 and HR10-250 (who's to blame?). So if I use a digital optical cable, I can get sound for this source on the 3806 and can still use HDMI for video.

I don't have any other HDMI equipment to test the switching capability.

My friend's HD DirecTiVo had a bad HDMI unit - apparently not an isolated problem. Have you ever tested your HDMI output from HR10-250 to HDMI TV? When his HDMI failed on my TV (he had no HDMI video source to test), he had to send it back in for replacement under warranty. You've probably already tested HDMI out on the HDTiVo, but if you haven't, this could be the problem.