another ? The ASP4000 is going for 149 right now. Since I just started putting this together and reasearching about 2 weeks ago I'm not sure that's reg price or if it's on sale. Seems like a sale price. I ask because I was going to order the sub last, in probably 2 weeks to a month, but if it's on sale I'll get it along with everything else that I can now and order the rest in a few weeks.
Not only is that a sale price, it is a very deep discount. The AS-P4000 is $320 msrp. Also, it sounds like a $300 sub and not like a $150 sub.

If anyone is interested in AS-F2, AS-C1, or AS-R1, PM me.

Not only is that a sale price, it is a very deep discount. The AS-P4000 is $320 msrp. Also, it sounds like a $300 sub and not like a $150 sub.

Thanks I thought it had to be. I'm ordering it today which totally reverses the way I was going to build this. I'll be sitting here for a while with a sub and nothing else, that's going to be hllll lol. Now i just need to make a final decision between the two speaker systems above. This thread has pretty much affirmed the 100s of other post from various sites that I've read about the quality, value and sound of these speakers. So i'm probably going to pull the plug on these also.

I want to go with R1.2's for surround. I've priced just buying the f/c/r of the Point 5 series and it comes basically the same as buying the full package. So the full package is the way I'll go see how I like that, if and when I'm ready to go for the R1's I'll put them on ebay or something. Thanks to all, I've read from top to bottom on this thread It's a long one with some good information. Thanks to all

Just placed the order for the ASP4000. Is it here yet, is it here yet, haha I can't want.

Jakeman, can you tell me where you got the sub for $149? PM if necessary. Thanks.

Jakeman, can you tell me where you got the sub for $149? PM if necessary. Thanks.

Sure, I'll PM you if I can figure out how. I'm new here and never used that feature before. I don't think specifics like that are supposed to be listed in the forum. I only used that much info because it's the least I could put to get my answer.

PM Seemed to work, I'm not as thought as I dumb I was, haha

PULLIAMM:
So do most people buy the F Series over the B series because they also listen to music or any other 2 channel source? Also, can you explain what you mean by "bass extension".

As I understand, the bi-pole speakers will help diffuse the sound and make it sound less localized. Any other advantages or disadvantages to a B1.2 surround (or other mono-pole)? Also, are bi-pole speakers better for any certain type or room (i.e. size, setup, etc) then mono-pole?

Thanks for the help, much appreciated.

Anyone? Thanks again.

Anyone? Thanks again.
Either of the F series speakers can be used for 2-channel music without a sub and will sound excellent. In a home theater, where there will presumably be a decent sub, most of their bass ability will not be used and so the less expensive B series make more sense.
Diffuse speakers such as the R1's are much better for movies, but not as good for multichannel music. Which you choose depends on your primary application (personally, I prefer music in stereo over multichannel.)
The greater bass extension of the B2's compared to the B1's (nothing to explain really, just means they go lower in the bass) allows them to have a more "full" sound. It also means you can use a lower crossover setting, which makes the sub less localizeable by ear.

Thanks PULLIAMM, really appreciate it. As many times as I read the same thing, it helps to have it said once more ;)

The floorstanders will have greater dynamic range than the smaller models, even when set to "small", due to their greater reach and capability at and below the crossover. I find the F1 a better buy in most cases than the B2 when capabilities are considered, and when you figure in price of stands.
The R1 are a nice mix of bipolar/direct. The mids are direct-radiating, but the tweeters fire off to the sides, although they're not 180 degrees opposed. I'd say they're closer to direct-radiating than dipole. They work well to lessen the distraction of having a direct-radiator too close to your head, but still are not too diffuse for music.

I just received the AS-P4000 sub today. I ordered it first because it was on sale right now and I coudn't get everythng at the same time so I don't have anything but the sub for the moment. I'm going to be using the S.5 and C.5 for fronts. Haven't decided on the rear yet, leaning toward the R1.2. Going with the Pioneer VSXD515 or 516. For the receiver.

1 - I was reading the subs manual and it says to set the subs crossover frequency to the lower limit of the speakers. The S.5 spec is 80hz and the C.5 is 60hz. Which speck should I use for this. I'm thinking the upper speck of 80hz or their will be a gap between 60hz and 80hz, just need to know if that's correct? Also what about the receivers crossover frequency. Is it set at the same place? Will they conflict with each other or work together?

2 - It says to use a RCA Cable to connect to the SUB Output of the receiver. Is this a regular RCA cable. I've got 100 of those laying around, just need to make sure it isn't a special subwoofer cable.

3 - Last question. Anyone know where I can find the Point 5 system in all black? or at least the fronts and center. I've found them in Black/Silver and that will be ok if I have to go with that but I would prefer all black.

Thanks

Any suggestions on what I should do with my speakers? I currently have a pair of WS-60 and a pair of AS-B1.2's. This will be a 3.1 set-up for now till I buy the WS-15 for rears.

Option 1:
WS-60 as L/C/R (will buy another WS if i go with this)
AS-P4000 as sub


Option 2:
AS-B1.2 as L/R
WS-60 as C (and return one WS)

Thanks for you input. Only reason I have a pair of each is because I order the AS online and over the weekend I found the WS for a good price (half of MSRP). I like the looks of the WS, but they don't have stands that will work with them which is my only minor issue.

I like option 2 just because I think the B1.2's are better speakers (the higher price of the WS 60's is due to looks, not performance.)
(If you do go with option 1, I have mounted WS 15's on satellite stands by putting a screw through the stand's plate into the wall-mount bracket. The same trick should work for the 60's.)

1. Go with 80 Hz for the X-over.

2. There are indeed special subwoofer cables but they also have RCA connectors. Depending on where you stand on the "cable quality" debate, you can either use the RCA cable you have or buy a monster subwoofer cable or anything in-between.

3. No idea.

PS: Receiver's X-over must also match the sub's crossover. Some people set up the sub to cross over at its highest setting and set the receiver's to be 80. Try it both ways.

Thanks PULLIAMM.... I was leaning towards Option 1. Do you think I can place the B1.2 on my component rack on each side of the tv or would speaker stands be a lot better? Only reason i bought the WS-60 was because they were a good deal and I wasn't sure about the size of the B1.2's.

(If you do go with option 1, I have mounted WS 15's on satellite stands by putting a screw through the stand's plate into the wall-mount bracket. The same trick should work for the 60's.)

As for the WS-15, you used the wall mounting bracket that comes with the speakers and attached them to the satellite stands bracket? Is that correct?

Thanks PULLIAMM.... I was leaning towards Option 1. Do you think I can place the B1.2 on my component rack on each side of the tv or would speaker stands be a lot better? Only reason i bought the WS-60 was because they were a good deal and I wasn't sure about the size of the B1.2's.



As for the WS-15, you used the wall mounting bracket that comes with the speakers and attached them to the satellite stands bracket? Is that correct?
Putting the B1's on the rack would work, but stands would give you better sound.
Yes, I screwed the wall-mount bracket onto the stand bracket (flat against flat.)

Putting the B1's on the rack would work, but stands would give you better sound.

Can you elaborate a little more if possible? I'm a newbie so bare with me.

Anybody know where I can order a pair of new AS-R1s or AS-R1.2s. I'd prefer if audioadvisor.com carried them, but they don't. Onecall carries them, but for $250/pair!! I'll never pay that much for them. Any cheaper sites/stores out there?

Late last year (October/November) when I decided to go with Athena rather than the JBL E series, I found what had to be the last four new, "sealed in the box" AS-F1s in the SF/Bay area. That was after checking all the Best Buy locations in the SF/Bay area as well as Sacramento. During that search, I was able to purchase new, "sealed in the box" B2s, B1s, C1, and an AS-P400 at great prices. Was a pretty happy camper since I located all original AS speakers rather than the new "AS 2" speakers :p.

Initially, set the speakers up with F1s-fronts, C1-center, F1-sides, B2s-rears, and P400-subwoofer. The speakers were driven by a HK AVR-635. With the 635's EzSet/EQ far and near field calibrations plus a little manual tweaking, the sound for both music and home theatre was great.

But, what I really wanted was a pair of F2s, originals not F2.2s, as the fronts. Well, last week I got lucky and found a pair (actually 3 pair at the time) of new, "sealed in the box" AS-F2s from a reputable audio dealer via Amazon. Well after a few days with the F2s, the sound has gone from great to amazing :D! The HK 635 allows each speaker group to have independent crossover points, so I have set all of the speakers to "small" with the following crossover points: F2 fronts at 40Hz, C1 center at 100Hz, F1 sides at 60Hz, and B2 rears at 80Hz.

At this point I think my speaker configuration is set for a while with the exception of the subwoofer. I am pretty happy with the P400, especially at the price I paid for it. The initial battle segment in "Master and Commander" had my neighbors checking to see if something exploded in our house :eek:. But, after reading all of the posts about SVS subwoofers, I am seriously considering a "step up" in subwoofer. But, for now I am enjoying the sound with the new F2 fronts.

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^^^So Amazon has the original F2s available from time to time? What prices did you have to pay for them? Did you call the retailer, or just order online?

^^^So Amazon has the original F2s available from time to time? What prices did you have to pay for them? Did you call the retailer, or just order online?

It was the first time I have seen original F2s available anywhere in the past 4-5 months and I had been checking consistently. I talked directly with the dealer to verify they were F2s not F2.2s, but purchased the speakers via Amazon. Since discussion of prices is 'verboten' :rolleyes:, I will only say they were slightly less than half the original full price, which made them less than the new F1.2s :p.

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I just received the AS-P4000 sub today. I ordered it first because it was on sale right now and I coudn't get everythng at the same time so I don't have anything but the sub for the moment. I'm going to be using the S.5 and C.5 for fronts. Haven't decided on the rear yet, leaning toward the R1.2. Going with the Pioneer VSXD515 or 516. For the receiver.

1 - I was reading the subs manual and it says to set the subs crossover frequency to the lower limit of the speakers. The S.5 spec is 80hz and the C.5 is 60hz. Which speck should I use for this. I'm thinking the upper speck of 80hz or their will be a gap between 60hz and 80hz, just need to know if that's correct? Also what about the receivers crossover frequency. Is it set at the same place? Will they conflict with each other or work together?

2 - It says to use a RCA Cable to connect to the SUB Output of the receiver. Is this a regular RCA cable. I've got 100 of those laying around, just need to make sure it isn't a special subwoofer cable.

3 - Last question. Anyone know where I can find the Point 5 system in all black? or at least the fronts and center. I've found them in Black/Silver and that will be ok if I have to go with that but I would prefer all black.

Thanks

1 - Start with 80 and try 100hz as well. 100hz would be better based on the freq specs but the bass becomes more localized at this level so see which you prefer in your listening environment. And this is the xvoer in your receiver. I'm not sure if the the P4000 has a crossover bypass or not. If it does not set your sub xover to max.

2 - Any RCA cable is fine in my opinion, but others will tell you differently.

3 - Can't help.

Thanks you two, solved some of my confusion about the xover freq. at least gave me a good place to start from.

I just purchased a set of Point 5's. I was wondering if anyone who has them can tell me if and how much the sound changes after the recommended 50-100 hour break-in period. They're pretty bright out of the box.

I just purchased a set of Point 5's. I was wondering if anyone who has them can tell me if and how much the sound changes after the recommended 50-100 hour break-in period. They're pretty bright out of the box.

Yes, the sound did mellow out after the break in period.

Can you elaborate a little more if possible? I'm a newbie so bare with me.
If you put the speakers on the component rack, they will presumably be right up against the sides of the TV. This can adversely effect the dispersion of sound into the room. Also, the TV can act as an extension of the speaker baffles which can color the sound. Finally, stands will allow you to space the speakers farther apart for better imaging.

It was the first time I have seen original F2s available anywhere in the past 4-5 months and I had been checking consistently. I talked directly with the dealer to verify they were F2s not F2.2s, but purchased the speakers via Amazon. Since discussion of prices is 'verboten' :rolleyes:, I will only say they were slightly less than half the original full price, which made them less than the new F1.2s :p.

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I am happy for you and also jealous. I love my original F1's, and I am sure the F2's are even better.

I have been research new speakers for a 7.1 solution in a 15x20 with 8 foot ceiling room and I always read good comments about the athena speakers wrt price/performance. I checked out their site and I love the look of the speakers too.

Im not going to spend 1000s on speakers because I just dont think I care enough about superb sound quality but I do want decent quality for a affordable price. I would like to stay under 1K for a 7.1 solution.

Do athena speakers fit?

could someone recommend a 7 speaker configuration...dont worry about the sub, I think I have a deal on one.

I have been research new speakers for a 7.1 solution in a 15x20 with 8 foot ceiling room and I always read good comments about the athena speakers wrt price/performance. I checked out their site and I love the look of the speakers too.

Im not going to spend 1000s on speakers because I just dont think I care enough about superb sound quality but I do want decent quality for a affordable price. I would like to stay under 1K for a 7.1 solution.

Do athena speakers fit?

could someone recommend a 7 speaker configuration...dont worry about the sub, I think I have a deal on one.
Athenas are much better than decent quality, they are excellent quality at an affordable price. (I have recently switched back to Athenas after spending some time with Def Techs that were over 3x the price because I have found that I prefer the Athena sound for 2-channel music.)
If you are planning to use a sub, I would suggest two pairs of B1's (or B2's), a C1, and a pair of R1's. If you replace one pair of the B1's with F2's, you could get by without a sub.

Hi Everyone,

I just moved into a rental house with a very small living room, but I'm beginning to fit together what I want to do. I work for Best Buy, so I get a very good deal on the Athena's, which I've heard so much about, all being good. Here's my dilemma.

Since the room is tiny, the WS series makes more sense for me. I'm going to purchase either the LG 30FS4D or the Sony KD34XBR970 because I can't spring for a flat panel, but I'm torn between the WS series or the Audition series when it comes to speakers, and Pioneer Elite or Harman Kardon when it comes to which receiver to power them with. I *might* be able to get a great deal on HK through a friend, and I've always liked them and keep hearing good things about those, as well. I figure the AVR340 would be enough to run them, but perhaps I should just wait a month longer and grab the AVR435 or AVR635, but that might be overkill. I am a wannabe audiophile with only 23 years of existence under my belt, so I'm a little inexperienced when it comes to this. Your help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

I have been research new speakers for a 7.1 solution in a 15x20 with 8 foot ceiling room
What's the actual budget? That's a good-sized space, so I might go with floorstanders up front for their better clean dynamic range (even with sub), a C1, and two pairs of R1 for the back and side surrounds.

Hi Everyone,

I just moved into a rental house with a very small living room, but I'm beginning to fit together what I want to do. I work for Best Buy, so I get a very good deal on the Athena's, which I've heard so much about, all being good. Here's my dilemma.

Since the room is tiny, the WS series makes more sense for me. I'm going to purchase either the LG 30FS4D or the Sony KD34XBR970 because I can't spring for a flat panel, but I'm torn between the WS series or the Audition series when it comes to speakers, and Pioneer Elite or Harman Kardon when it comes to which receiver to power them with. I *might* be able to get a great deal on HK through a friend, and I've always liked them and keep hearing good things about those, as well. I figure the AVR340 would be enough to run them, but perhaps I should just wait a month longer and grab the AVR435 or AVR635, but that might be overkill. I am a wannabe audiophile with only 23 years of existence under my belt, so I'm a little inexperienced when it comes to this. Your help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
The Audition series are going to give you a lot more "bang for your buck" than the WS series. For example, the WS 15's cost about 50% more than the AS-B1's but they can't even go below 100hz.

What's the actual budget? That's a good-sized space, so I might go with floorstanders up front for their better clean dynamic range (even with sub), a C1, and two pairs of R1 for the back and side surrounds.

Dont really believe I should spend more then 1K on speakers. I think there is good enough quality out there to give me great sound for 1K.

I have been pricing out....2 x F2 (I love the look more then the F1s), 1 x C1, 4 x R1 just like you posted, I do still want a sub too!

All of that I have priced so far for under 1K, seems too good to be true considering I read so much about the quality Athena brings to the table!!

Athenas are much better than decent quality, they are excellent quality at an affordable price.

Comments like that and the sub 1K price tag for 7.1 kind makes me think this is too good to be true!

I have been pricing out....2 x F2 (I love the look more then the F1s), 1 x C1, 4 x R1 just like you posted, I do still want a sub too!
Ahh, the sub! Well, I do like the setup you've mentioned above. And I agree with Pulliam that the F2 go deep and loud enough that you could at least put off the purchase of sub (and not feel something's missing) until you can add one that would actually improve the setup. The F2 can get to 35Hz or so with authority, so they can certainly be improved with a good sub, but not just any sub.

so if I do buy a sub, I need to make sure it will go to the range the F2s cant go to. Buying a standard sub would just be wasting money.

Do you have a recommended sub that will compliment the F2s? Under $400 would be great but not a must.

For home theater, you definitely want a sub. This is especially true if your bass settings don't work for multichannel. With my SA-XR50, the tone channels only work when using 2 channel. Without being able to adjust bass for multichannel, movies and tv don't output enough bass even on the AS-F2s.

Do you have a recommended sub that will compliment the F2s? Under $400 would be great but not a must.
The most obvious one to me, with strong response to below 20hz, is this:

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-10isd.cfm

I've used one with F2s...nice stuff. Adds a whole 'nother octave, and cleanly.

thanks,

At lunch, I went to my new house and did a walk through, roof is on and shingled, they are about to drywall. The past week I ran 2500 ft of speaker wire and 7000 ft of RG6 and 2000 ft of Cat6 (I did the speaker, professionals did the RG6, Cat6) just wanted to post those numbers :D

I went to my one HT room and just figured out that I probably cant have 7.1 :( because I dont have enough room behind where the seating will be so now its 5.1....

With that in mind, what about the following.

2xF2.2 (for front)
2xB2.2 (for rear)
1xC1.2
and a one sub for the very low end.

Is the Center speaker strong enough with the rest?

thanks,

At lunch, I went to my new house and did a walk through, roof is on and shingled, they are about to drywall. The past week I ran 2500 ft of speaker wire and 7000 ft of RG6 and 2000 ft of Cat6 (I did the speaker, professionals did the RG6, Cat6) just wanted to post those numbers :D

I went to my one HT room and just figured out that I probably cant have 7.1 :( because I dont have enough room behind where the seating will be so now its 5.1....

With that in mind, what about the following.

2xF2.2 (for front)
2xB2.2 (for rear)
1xC1.2
and a one sub for the very low end.

Is the Center speaker strong enough with the rest?
A few people have commented that they don't think the C1 can keep up with the F2's, but I don't know if that is true or not. You could consider another B2 for the center.

You could consider another B2 for the center.

Really dumb question but but does it matter if I use non-center defined speakers? Meaning use bookshelf speakers for center channel.

I would do that if I didnt lose some range that a true center channel speaker offers.

The most obvious one to me, with strong response to below 20hz, is this:

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-10isd.cfm

I've used one with F2s...nice stuff. Adds a whole 'nother octave, and cleanly.

Anyone have insight into the Athena subs, P-4000 and P-6000 vs the higher priced sub $500 subs? They certainly provide good value, but I haven't seen much about the quality? How do they compare to the SVS PB-10 and Mirage? Trying to decide if the extra money is worth it for the SVS?

Unrelated, but how do people feel about the R1's? Do you like them as the surrounds in a 5.1 system over a B1.2 or similar bookshelf speaker?

At lunch, I went to my new house and did a walk through, roof is on and shingled, they are about to drywall. The past week I ran 2500 ft of speaker wire and 7000 ft of RG6 and 2000 ft of Cat6 (I did the speaker, professionals did the RG6, Cat6) just wanted to post those numbers
Cool. :)

I went to my one HT room and just figured out that I probably cant have 7.1 because I dont have enough room behind where the seating will be so now its 5.1....


You don't need much room for the R1's to be wall-mounted above and behind the seating. The side-firing tweeters help here, too. Just a thought.

Is the Center speaker strong enough with the rest?

Well, the F2 are as dynamic as all get-out. Only another F2 would really "keep up" once you've reached a certain volume level. However, short of another floorstander at center (only really practical with front-projection), the C1 actually has more woofer surface area than the other bookshelf models (quite a bit more, actually) and so would probably keep up best looked at that way. The B2 has an advantage in dispersion, though, how it sounds far off to the sides.

Really dumb question but but does it matter if I use non-center defined speakers? Meaning use bookshelf speakers for center channel.
Sometimes "non-centers" make the best centers. :) There's rarely anything really "special" about a "center" speaker except that it's made to sit, and fit, on a TV.

Anyone have insight into the Athena subs, P-4000 and P-6000 vs the higher priced sub $500 subs? They certainly provide good value, but I haven't seen much about the quality? How do they compare to the SVS PB-10 and Mirage?
Haven't seen any real testing on them. I doubt either could keep up with a PB10, or even the Mirage for that matter. The 6000 intrigues me, and I'd probably pick one up just to try/return if they sold them in the local stores. They're cheap, sure, but I'd only say they offered good value if the performance set them apart.

You don't need much room for the R1's to be wall-mounted above and behind the seating. The side-firing tweeters help here, too. Just a thought.


I read somewhere that the side and rear speakers should be separated enough and the rear speakers should be further back in a 7.1 configuration. I only have 2-3 feet probably behind the couch to mount the rear speakers.

btw, thanks for all the advice. I want to decide and move on to my next purchase, several amps and several pre-amps.

Only another F2 would really "keep up" once you've reached a certain volume level. However, short of another floorstander at center (only really practical with front-projection),

lmao!!

hmmmm.....now that would be a awesome horizontally mounted speaker :D

I read somewhere that the side and rear speakers should be separated enough and the rear speakers should be further back in a 7.1 configuration. I only have 2-3 feet probably behind the couch to mount the rear speakers.

Do you angle the R1's down at the listening position, or is that not important with bi-pole?

Do you angle the R1's down at the listening position, or is that not important with bi-pole?

Dont know at all, just researching what I should buy for my new house.

I read somewhere that the side and rear speakers should be separated enough and the rear speakers should be further back in a 7.1 configuration. I only have 2-3 feet probably behind the couch to mount the rear speakers.

Hmm, trying to picture the room. The sides should be to the side and above the couch. 2-3ft is enough room behind to put rears, I think, a couple feet in from the corners of the room. You wouldn't have a diagram of the layout, would you?

lmao!!

hmmmm.....now that would be a awesome horizontally mounted speaker

Hah...you laugh. Here's a older setup/screen with one of my F1 between F2's. That's the idea...the center doesn't have to be horizontal if you have room below the screen.

http://home.comcast.net/~jgilvey/IMG_0381.JPG

This is the current setup, below, with a C1 between F1's. The screen got wider/taller, and I didn't want the bottom of it too high, so I went with the C1.

http://home.comcast.net/~tgilvey/IMG_0611.JPG

Do you angle the R1's down at the listening position, or is that not important with bi-pole?
Don't have to, they fire straight out.

You wouldn't have a diagram of the layout, would you?

Just the full house layout.....http://www.penngray.com/house/house.gif

its the room that is on the top right of the page, its shown as separate because its actually a room above the garage.

its 16' wide by 25' long.....

There is a window at the one end and the entrance at the other, we want to have a bar at one end of the room where the window is and so instead of going the length of the room to watch the movies (play xbox!!) we are going to place the A/V stuff against the Left wall. That gives me 16 feet from the TV to other wall. We are not going to go with Projection either, probably 60''+ rear projection LCD or maybe 50''Plasma that will be mounted on the wall itself.

Now 7.1 system has two initial problems....
1. Side speakers on Ceiling or 10 feet away on each wall.
2. Rear Speakers behind only 2-3 feet assuming we are sitting 12 feet from the screen.

Nice house!

I see your situation. Were I to do it, I'd just go 5.1 with the R1 surrounds on the back wall. The ceiling-mount is another option, if feasible for you. I wouldn't bother with the far walls.

Just the full house layout.....http://www.penngray.com/house/house.gif

its the room that is on the top right of the page, its shown as separate because its actually a room above the garage.

its 16' wide by 25' long.....

There is a window at the one end and the entrance at the other, we want to have a bar at one end of the room where the window is and so instead of going the length of the room to watch the movies (play xbox!!) we are going to place the A/V stuff against the Left wall. That gives me 16 feet from the TV to other wall. We are not going to go with Projection either, probably 60''+ rear projection LCD or maybe 50''Plasma that will be mounted on the wall itself.

Now 7.1 system has two initial problems....
1. Side speakers on Ceiling or 10 feet away on each wall.
2. Rear Speakers behind only 2-3 feet assuming we are sitting 12 feet from the screen.


Move the seating up so you're only 9'-10' from the screen, unless that messes up the position of the side speakers. This will give you plenty of room for the rears.

Thanks, I would do 7.1 if it made sense and I dont mind the ceiling. I just want to make sure that 7.1 will give me more then 5.1.

Thanks, I would do 7.1 if it made sense and I dont mind the ceiling. I just want to make sure that 7.1 will give me more then 5.1.
Well, that's a whole other question I can't address since I'm still in the dark ages of 5.1. ;) I'll go 7.1 with the next receiver and in the meantime I'll continue searching for another pair of R1's from the original series...

I finally replaced my old Yamaha 595a receiver with the Onkyo TX-SR573 this weekend. The Yammy was too bright from my Athena B1-C1 system. Also I get Dolby PLII/PLIIx now plus Neo:6 for TV listening and all channel stereo for the occasional party. After calibration the overall sound is better and I'm a happy camper.

The Yammy served its purpose for 6 years but its time had passed.

The Onkyo is also XM ready and has an iPod connection. All for less than $200 from Fry's. And its a good match for the Athenas.

Finally hooked up my point 5 system and s8 subwoofer with my htr 5860 reciever and I must say that I am amazed. It is so cool it is leaps and bounds better sounding than my previous cerwin vega set up.

Just the full house layout.....http://www.penngray.com/house/house.gif

its the room that is on the top right of the page, its shown as separate because its actually a room above the garage.

its 16' wide by 25' long.....

There is a window at the one end and the entrance at the other, we want to have a bar at one end of the room where the window is and so instead of going the length of the room to watch the movies (play xbox!!) we are going to place the A/V stuff against the Left wall. That gives me 16 feet from the TV to other wall. We are not going to go with Projection either, probably 60''+ rear projection LCD or maybe 50''Plasma that will be mounted on the wall itself.

Now 7.1 system has two initial problems....
1. Side speakers on Ceiling or 10 feet away on each wall.
2. Rear Speakers behind only 2-3 feet assuming we are sitting 12 feet from the screen.

I'm no expert, but this is what I would do:

Plan on being about 10' away from the screen. This would be ideal if you go the 50" Plasma route. This will leave approx 5-6' walkway behind your theatre seating to get to the Bar area at the end by the window. You may even have enough room to build a small bar/stool area behind the theatre seating and still have enough of a walkway. Also, depending on the type of seating you are using, I would build a raised platform for the rear seating. There are a bunch of examples in the before and after home theatre thread.

I would go with a 5.1 system for now, using the rears, but run wires in the ceiling (now while you are running wires anyway) for the other 2 7.1 speakers. If you get it setup and decide 5.1 isn't good enough, then add the other 2 speakers later. I would want them ceiling mounted as I think 10 feet will be too far away.

Anyone have insight into the Athena subs, P-4000 and P-6000 vs the higher priced sub $500 subs? They certainly provide good value, but I haven't seen much about the quality? How do they compare to the SVS PB-10 and Mirage? Trying to decide if the extra money is worth it for the SVS?

For about $250 the P-6000 was a good balance of price & performance for my situation. At least for my house, you could even say it's quite overpowering, and I couldn't fathom getting anything more substantial. But everybody's situation is different.

To anyone with a Point 5 setup, what receiver setting do you have your speakers at, LARGE or SMALL?

For about $250 the P-6000 was a good balance of price & performance for my situation. At least for my house, you could even say it's quite overpowering, and I couldn't fathom getting anything more substantial. But everybody's situation is different.

I tried P-4000 in my Audition series but found it overpowers the rest of the speakers even when I turned down its volume. Music sounds somewhat mismatched with other speakers. The only good thing is it does create floor shaking effect on action movies.

I compared it head on with Velodyne VX-10 in similar price range and found that the Vel sounded much natural and coherent in the system especially on music performance. Now I can see that manufactuers specalize in subwoofers like Velodyne, SVS do have their niche in the market. I am going to keep VX-10 for sure.

My system is:

2 X F2.2 (front)
1 X C1.2 (centre)
2 X B1.2 (rear)

^^why'd you go with the B1.2s as rears instead of the R1.2s?

To anyone with a Point 5 setup, what receiver setting do you have your speakers at, LARGE or SMALL?

Small

To anyone with a Point 5 setup, what receiver setting do you have your speakers at, LARGE or SMALL?


small, but I only use .5s for the sides and rears.

Anyone not happy with R1.2's as rears over a B1.2, micra, or some other equivalent.

small, but I only use .5s for the sides and rears.

I have the .5 MKII setup and I have them all set to small. For Music or Movies I think they sound great. While watching TV though (usually PCM audio) I sometimes need to set the center channel volume to +3 or +4 to increase the dialogue volume.

Need Your help/Opinion

I am considering the following

Athena 15373 Micra 6 Speaker System, Silver/Black going for $299.00

or

JBL SCS180.6 Complete 6.1-Channel Home Cinema Speaker System 250.00

Does anyone have an opinion of these speakers?

Pleas let me know.

Thanks.

Need Your help/Opinion

I am considering the following

Athena 15373 Micra 6 Speaker System, Silver/Black going for $299.00

or

JBL SCS180.6 Complete 6.1-Channel Home Cinema Speaker System 250.00

Does anyone have an opinion of these speakers?

Pleas let me know.

Thanks.
Since this is the Athena owner's thread, you will obviously get votes for the Athena system here. Post this question on the JBL owner's thread for the opposite result :D

Need Your help/Opinion

I am considering the following

Athena 15373 Micra 6 Speaker System, Silver/Black going for $299.00

or

JBL SCS180.6 Complete 6.1-Channel Home Cinema Speaker System 250.00

Does anyone have an opinion of these speakers?

Pleas let me know.

Thanks.

I would go for the Athena .5 MKII System, then add a Dayton 12" sub from Partsexpress. You may still be able to find mkii system at Best Buy on clearance. Total would be a little more than the Micra system, but I think the mkIIs are larger, and you would also have a larger sub.

You won't get any responses for the JBL here as this is the Athena Thread. :D

I would go for the Athena .5 MKII System, then add a Dayton 12" sub from Partsexpress. You may still be able to find mkii system at Best Buy on clearance. Total would be a little more than the Micra system, but I think the mkIIs are larger, and you would also have a larger sub.

You won't get any responses for the JBL here as this is the Athena Thread. :D


Don't see them at best buy and amazon say they are no longer available. I also have to keep size in mind. Thanks for your input. I gues I will lean towards the micra's

Don't see them at best buy and amazon say they are no longer available. I also have to keep size in mind. Thanks for you input

http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?bid=458&id=21573

http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?bid=458&id=21573


Darn, I went to one call, they don't have them either....Oh well

Darn, I went to one call, they don't have them either....Oh well

Give them a call, they usually get more in every month.

My setup:

Mains: 2x F2.2s (down to 35Hz)
Center: 1x C1.2 (down to 60Hz)
Surrounds: 4x B1.2s (down to 60Hz)
Sub: AS-P4000

I was hoping someone could make a recommendation on crossover settings for these three speakers... obviously, I'm going to play around to see what works best in my room/setup, but it'd be helpful to have a solid starting point.

From doing some reading in this thread, it would appear that 80Hz is a good starting point for the four surrounds (B1.2s). Should I crossover the center at the same spot, or a little higher (100Hz)? How about the F2.2 mains?

Can you set the crossover for individual speakers?

I would set the crossover to 80hz, the center and surrounds to "small", and the mains to "large".

Can you set the crossover for individual speakers?

I know I can, at least, set seperate crossovers for each channel pair, as well as the center.

I would set the crossover to 80hz, the center and surrounds to "small", and the mains to "large".

My AS-F2s sounded better when set to 'small' for home theater. I set my AS-F2s, AS-C1s, and AS-R1s all to small. Lowest crossover on XR50 is 100hz so that's what I set it at.

I have a great sub, SVS 25-31CS, to handle the lows.

Don't see them at best buy and amazon say they are no longer available. I also have to keep size in mind. Thanks for your input. I gues I will lean towards the micra's

I had to go to my Best Buy and look for them. I got the last set for $150. I recently went back and got a pair of .5s (to put in the front room) for $50 total. They weren't listed online, but there they were on the shelf. :)

From doing some reading in this thread, it would appear that 80Hz is a good starting point for the four surrounds (B1.2s). Should I crossover the center at the same spot, or a little higher (100Hz)? How about the F2.2 mains?
80hz, all set to "small". No reason to go lower.

No reason to go lower.

even I have that flexibility on other channels? in particular, the mains?

even I have that flexibility on other channels? in particular, the mains?

Listed below is a quote from an much earlier post in the Speaker forum that I initially used as a guideline for setting crossover points:

If the crossover is set at 80 Hz the speakers start to roll off going below 80 and the subwoofer rolls off above 80. This gives a smooth transition. A good guideline is to have a speaker that can play below the crossover level by one octave which in this case is down to 40 Hz.

(One octave doubles or halves the Hz)
For Example:
20 Hz + one octave = 40 Hz
40 Hz + one octave = 80 Hz
80 Hz + one octave = 160 Hz
160 Hz + one octave = 320 Hz

Based on the above, I initially set my crossover points to be one octave (double) above the low frequency value for each speaker group.

All speakers set to "small".
Fronts: AS-F2s (35Hz-20kHz) @ 80Hz (closest point above 2 x 35Hz, 70Hz)
Center: AS-C1 (60Hz-20kHz) @ 120Hz (2 x 60Hz)
Sides: AS-F1s (40Hz-20kHz) @ 80Hz (2 x 40Hz)
Rears: AS-B2s (50Hz-20kHz) @ 100Hz (2 x 50Hz)

After some additional reading, a more flexible guideline appeared to be 0.5-1.0 octave above the low frequency value. After some listening and experimenting, I have reset the crossover points to be:

All speakers set to "small".
Fronts: AS-F2s @ 40Hz
Center: AS-C1 @ 100Hz
Sides: AS-F1s @ 60Hz
Rears: AS-B2s @ 80Hz

With the exception of the F2s, the current crossover points are within the 0.5-1.0 octave range. The F2s sounded better with the lower crossover point.

Hope the above information gives you a starting point to begin experimenting with.

web

Hope the above information gives you a starting point to begin experimenting with.


It certainly does.

Thanks for the help, web.

even I have that flexibility on other channels? in particular, the mains?
I haven't seen a demonstrable reason, if we're talking accuracy and dynamic range. 80hz is perfect for the F2, since they're linear about an octave below that, and even higher might benefit the smaller speakers (might be easier to get away with at center than surrounds due to directionality issues).
Still, many people post results of experiments into what they prefer, and you should also experiment with your different settings.

My AS-F2s sounded better when set to 'small' for home theater. I set my AS-F2s, AS-C1s, and AS-R1s all to small. Lowest crossover on XR50 is 100hz so that's what I set it at.

I have a great sub, SVS 25-31CS, to handle the lows.
This has been discussed at greater length in other threads, but I just don't see the point of buying the "Mack Daddy" of the Athena line in the first place if you are going to cut it off at 80hz. The B1's or B2's (each of which has surprisingly rich bass response for its size and price) would do just as well in this application. I always set large speakers to large.

Perhaps the AS-F2s sound better at 'small' on my system because the power can be directed towards midrange and highs, making them cleaner. Also, as you know, the crossover is not a brick wall.

There are many articles on the web and threads on these forums that recommend most speakers be set to small and the use of one common crossover frequency. Here is a link to one

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/loudspeakers/bassmanagementbasics.php

I have AS-F2, AS-C1, AS-B1 and AS-IC8 and all set to small with one crossover freq set to 80hz.

As for buying the AS-F2 vs say the AS-B1, my justification was by the time you throw in the cost for stands there isn't that much difference in price and you get a speaker with lower extension. The AS-F2 will play the 60-90hz range better than the AS-F2 everything else being equal I think.

This has been discussed at greater length in other threads, but I just don't see the point of buying the "Mack Daddy" of the Athena line in the first place if you are going to cut it off at 80hz. The B1's or B2's (each of which has surprisingly rich bass response for its size and price) would do just as well in this application. I always set large speakers to large.

According to this link http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/119794.html , the best subwoofer set up seems to be by-passing the internal low-pass filter in the receiver and managing bass output through the built-in filter in the subwoofer to avoid "double filtering" which would impact on sound quality. It makes good sense to use the pre-out for L&R speakers from the receiver to output low frequency to the sub instead of via the sub/LFE pre-out. Set the main speakers to large to allow full range of frequency sent to the subwoofer and adjust the crossover with the built-in low-pass filter in the sub.

Has anyone try this set up and compare the performance with the traditon set up through the sub pre-out.

According to this link http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/119794.html , the best subwoofer set up seems to be by-passing the internal low-pass filter in the receiver and managing bass output through the built-in filter in the subwoofer to avoid "double filtering" which would impact on sound quality. It makes good sense to use the pre-out for L&R speakers from the receiver to output low frequency to the sub instead of via the sub/LFE pre-out. Set the main speakers to large to allow full range of frequency sent to the subwoofer and adjust the crossover with the built-in low-pass filter in the sub.

Has anyone try this set up and compare the performance with the traditon set up through the sub pre-out.
When using the sub's built-in crossover, Athena recommends a crossover frequency of 40hz for the F2's. (This is clearly marked on their own subs.)

When using the sub's built-in crossover, Athena recommends a crossover frequency of 40hz for the F2's. (This is clearly marked on their own subs.)

Setting low-pass crossover to 40Hz for a system with F2's would assume that the bass management in the receiver for the main speakers is set to "Large". That is fine for a stereo system but what about 5.1 & 7.1 set up. In principle, low frequency output from the subwoofer will be roll off above 40Hz and there will be no bass output from signals sent to the other channels with speaker size set to "Small".

As for buying the AS-F2 vs say the AS-B1, my justification was by the time you throw in the cost for stands there isn't that much difference in price and you get a speaker with lower extension. The AS-F2 will play the 60-90hz range better than the AS-F2 everything else being equal I think.

$119.95 (B1.2s) + $69.95 (Stands) = $189.90
$399.95 (F2)

Difference of $210

I could nearly buy another pair of 1.2s and a C1.2 center with the left over, so I wouldnt say it isnt much difference.... maybe if you have alot of $$$ it isnt hehehehe but for me it.. :(

My Audition speakers just recently shipped and I was wondering what people thought of these speakers paired with a Panasonic SAXR-55 or HK 235?

AS-F2s, AS-C1, and AS-R1s sound great with my XR50. Never tried the HK.

I'm planning to upgrade to Ascend Acoustics, but for the ~$500 I paid for the Athena's, I'd be surprised if anything could come close to it in sound quality.

The Ascends will cost me twice as much.

My Audition speakers just recently shipped and I was wondering what people thought of these speakers paired with a Panasonic SAXR-55 or HK 235?

I have no experience on SAXR-55 but I am using HK 235 with the Audition series, F2.2 + C1.2 + B1.2. The warm & mellow nature of HK 235 partner very well with the Athena speakers with a somewhat bright characteristic. You should not go wrong with H235 although I gave up the P-4000 subwoofer and go for Velodyne VX-10 which sounds much more musical and coherent with the Audition speakers.

AS-F2s, AS-C1, and AS-R1s sound great with my XR50. Never tried the HK.

I'm planning to upgrade to Ascend Acoustics, but for the ~$500 I paid for the Athena's, I'd be surprised if anything could come close to it in sound quality.

The Ascends will cost me twice as much.
But will they sound like they cost twice as much? I replaced my F1's with speakers costing over 3 times as much. For a while, I enjoyed the "improvement", but then I listened to my Athenas again and went back to them. They sound that good. :cool:

Perhaps the AS-F2s sound better at 'small' on my system because the power can be directed towards midrange and highs, making them cleaner. Also, as you know, the crossover is not a brick wall.
Of course. It's not about " making bass"with the mains, it's about clean dynaimc range. Bass just doesn't get "cut off", so something like the B2 will certainly not be the same as an F2 with a standard 80Hz,12dB oct. crossover. Two 8" drivers will handle the octave below crossover much better than a single 5.5" or 6.5".

It's common for people to think they're "wasting" speakers setting them to small when they look large.

Of course. It's not about " making bass"with the mains, it's about clean dynaimc range. Bass just doesn't get "cut off", so something like the B2 will certainly not be the same as an F2 with a standard 80Hz,12dB oct. crossover. Two 8" drivers will handle the octave below crossover much better than a single 5.5" or 6.5".

It's common for people to think they're "wasting" speakers setting them to small when they look large.
If this is the case, why are there so many people who think that a good pair of bookshelves with a sub can sound as good as, if not better than, floorstanders?

I ordered the MKII set from OneCall and sent an e-mail just to verify they'd be back in stock and was told there is already an order placed for more.

Give them a call, they usually get more in every month.

If this is the case, why are there so many people who think that a good pair of bookshelves with a sub can sound as good as, if not better than, floorstanders?

Why do so many people think smaller subwoofer drivers are "faster"? Why do so many people think that setting a receiver to halfway on its volume dial produces half its wattage? I can't explain why people think things. I have come to the conclusion, however, that people who exhibit a technical understanding and can back up their "opinions" with some sort of rationale that has a basis in reality in the minority.
People also "prefer" lots of different things, accurate or not.

But will they sound like they cost twice as much? I replaced my F1's with speakers costing over 3 times as much. For a while, I enjoyed the "improvement", but then I listened to my Athenas again and went back to them. They sound that good. :cool:

I don't know, but I'm hoping they will. I'm getting 340SEs across the front and HTM-200s in the rear.

Where can I buy some AS-R1.2s for under $200/pair??

Where can I buy some AS-R1.2s for under $200/pair??

Check your PM.

Greetings,

I read that the off-axis dispersion of the C1 is not as good as on the B1, but that dialogue sounds better (clearer, more understandable, more up front) in the center coming from the C1 compared to the B1. Has anyone tried using a R1 as a center channel speaker? It should have very good off-axis dispersion, but maybe too much for the guy sitting in the sweet spot? Or by some strange chance of fate, does the R1 accidentally work well as a center channel speaker? I don't own any Athena's yet, but I'm in the market to replace my horrible mixture of unmatched cheap speakers. If a few of you are game, please post your R1 as center channel speaker test results.

Thanks and have a happy Easter!

I've thought about it, but I think that the on-axis reponse would suffer and I'm unsure about what would happen off-axis. If I give it a shot, though, I'll let you know.

I bought the Athena Micra 6 package back in Jan. through Amazon who put the order through Audio Advisors. Since my Panny XR55 is capable of 7.1, I'm now looking to add two more speakers.

Amazon showed a picture in Silver, so I bought them but they came from Audio Advisors in all black. They don't have anymore silver. C/S is trying to locate two for me from their Athena sales rep.

Amazon now shows single Athena's in silver (Athena 15409 Sat-1S Micra Satellite Speaker, Single) but this may be a new model and not available yet and they may not match my few months old set. Anyone know if this is the exact same speaker?

Seems a shame that I'm trying to upgrade with two more speakers only 2-3 months later and Athena does not have any more. I was leary about buying a brand I never heard of in the first place (thru various opinions here). This is typical of what can happen when one deals with smaller outfits like Athena IMO.

Does anyone know where two "new" silver Athena 6's might be available, before I have to list the Athena's on Ebay? I want all speakers matching.

If I can't locate any I'll have to replace the whole set up with a name brand manufactuer which I'm sure can provide me with a full matching set of speakers?

Audio Advisors stock # after I received the speaker in black does show up as Item model number: MICRA-SAT1B (B for black) but their picture showed the speaker in silver. As does Amazon's:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00092DCJA/ref=pd_kar_gw_3/002-9314191-6104824?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I'm almost ready to order the Point 5 system. While I'm saving it's giving me to much time to think. My initial thinking was to go with the complete Point 5 system, this would be the most cost effective route. I'm constrained to using the S.5's as fronts because of size. I've got 11.25" height to work with for the fronts. However, I'm wondering if mating the S.5s with the AS-C1 or AS-C2.2 as a center would give me better performance overall or would the center overpower the performance S.5's? I know aesthetically this wouldn't be an exact match, but that's not a big deal. I've already got the ASP-4000 sub. Room size is 20 x 16. I'm aware budget wise this is not the best way to go, having to order individually but I could build a few pieces a time and if it would be a better performing system in the end, would be worth it. I don't plan on upgrading, once I'm done, I'M DONE!!! So I want to bet the best performance possible between these 2 configurations and the size I have to work with from the start. Any Thoughts?

AS-C2.2

? Typo? Not harrassing, just want to make sure their isn't a center channel upgrade (c2.2) I am missing.

? Typo?

yes typo, I ment the updated .2 center in that series, sry

Any Thoughts?

All I can say is I have the .5MKII system and I love it. I know you said you don't want to upgrade later, but the only real way to know is get the MKII setup and try it. If you like/love it, then your done. If not, then get the other center. It's not that much more going this route and you just might find the MKII is plenty.

All I can say is I have the .5MKII system and I love it. I know you said you don't want to upgrade later, but the only real way to know is get the MKII setup and try it. If you like/love it, then your done. If not, then get the other center. It's not that much more going this route and you just might find the MKII is plenty.

Thanks, that is the most sensalbe way. Rather than the extra cost I would asume by buying all seperates just to upgrade the center. I can always recoup some of my cost by selling the C.5 if it comes to that.

I should have thought of that before posting. I think I've been reading to much, I'm getting overloaded with ideas, haha. I need to get these ordered.

After looking around on the web tonight, I'm starting wonder if I made a mistake in my Athena purchase. Specifically, I am wondering if they will fill my HT room. I have not yet built the room, but since it was a decent deal I already purchased the speakers:

1 - C1, 4 B2s, and 2 R1s (sub not determined yet)


My room will be 11.5 X 28 or a bit shorter. My amp will be a Yamaha 1600 or Denon/Pioneer equivalent. The walls will be treated for sound.

Since I have not opened them yet, I can return them and purchase either Paradigms or Energies. Do those companies have better suited speakers for my purposes. Money is secondary because if I'm unhappy with the Athenas then I'll upgrade (and I don't know if the store will give me full price at exchange).

PF

I bought the Athena Micra 6 package back in Jan. through Amazon who put the order through Audio Advisors. Since my Panny XR55 is capable of 7.1, I'm now looking to add two more speakers.

Amazon showed a picture in Silver, so I bought them but they came from Audio Advisors in all black. They don't have anymore silver. C/S is trying to locate two for me from their Athena sales rep.

Amazon now shows single Athena's in silver (Athena 15409 Sat-1S Micra Satellite Speaker, Single) but this may be a new model and not available yet and they may not match my few months old set. Anyone know if this is the exact same speaker?

Seems a shame that I'm trying to upgrade with two more speakers only 2-3 months later and Athena does not have any more. I was leary about buying a brand I never heard of in the first place (thru various opinions here). This is typical of what can happen when one deals with smaller outfits like Athena IMO.

Does anyone know where two "new" silver Athena 6's might be available, before I have to list the Athena's on Ebay? I want all speakers matching.

If I can't locate any I'll have to replace the whole set up with a name brand manufactuer which I'm sure can provide me with a full matching set of speakers?

Audio Advisors stock # after I received the speaker in black does show up as Item model number: MICRA-SAT1B (B for black) but their picture showed the speaker in silver. As does Amazon's:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00092DCJA/ref=pd_kar_gw_3/002-9314191-6104824?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I'm pretty sure Athena is coming out with a whole new line or a huge update to the Audition line in the next month or so, it seems likely to me that they have stopped producing the old models and are building an inventory of the newer ones.. The speakers got great reviews and as we can see here people are always looking for some extra speakers to complete their collection, but Athena suddenly stopped being sold at Best Buy and seems to be being blown out everywhere else they are sold. It seems a lot like when the AS started adding the .2's to their line-up. I know that doesn't really help you much, but it should at least prove to you that it's not just some fly-by-night operation.

Expidia

I'm almost sure the Athena 15409 Sat-1S Micra Satellite Speaker is the same one but not positive. They will probably be closed Monday but Tuesday give them and email. Their is a contact link at the Athena website. I've emailed them once and they responded within an hour. Don't know if that's typical or I just got lucky but i was impressed. I don't think you have to worry about them being a fly-by-night company. Just like every ocmpany though their will be times when a certain item is more available than others.

I'd like to upgrade the sub in my Athena-based 5.1 set up:

Fronts: AS B2
Center: AS C1
Rears: AS B1
Sub: cheap 100 watt JVC HTIAB sub whose model number I forget

I'm running these off an HK 635. My focus is probably 70 percent on stereo and multichannel music and 30 percent on (primarily non-action) movies. My speakers are in a room that's about 15 x 13 with hardwood floors and a neighbor on the other side of the wall, so I don't need a lot of booming bass.

I'm wondering whether Athena's AS P4000 or P6000 would be well matched for this system or if I'd be better off finding the older P400 or P600 or opting for a different brand altogether. Any thoughts? Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance!

I don't know what your budget is, but I'd go with SVS or Hsu.

The speaker posted at Amazon does look exactly like the 6's. I'll email Athena before I enter a pre-order for two of them.

I'd like to upgrade the sub in my Athena-based 5.1 set up:

Fronts: AS B2
Center: AS C1
Rears: AS B1
Sub: cheap 100 watt JVC HTIAB sub whose model number I forget

I'm running these off an HK 635. My focus is probably 70 percent on stereo and multichannel music and 30 percent on (primarily non-action) movies. My speakers are in a room that's about 15 x 13 with hardwood floors and a neighbor on the other side of the wall, so I don't need a lot of booming bass.

I'm wondering whether Athena's AS P4000 or P6000 would be well matched for this system or if I'd be better off finding the older P400 or P600 or opting for a different brand altogether. Any thoughts? Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance!

I would suggest Velodyne VX-10 which should fit your needs. This sub is very musical and does not sound as boomy as P4000 in my listening environment (20' X 12'). I have compared both subwoofers with my Audition series driven by HK 235. VX-10 carries a similar price tag as P-4000. I assume this is the price range you are looking at.

I would suggest Velodyne VX-10 which should fit your needs. This sub is very musical and does not sound as boomy as P4000 in my listening environment (20' X 12'). I have compared both subwoofers with my Audition series driven by HK 235. VX-10 carries a similar price tag as P-4000. I assume this is the price range you are looking at.

Thanks for the recommendation. Yes, you're right. I'm looking for a sub in the sub $200 range ;)

Can you recommend a reputable dealer as well?

Thanks!

Seems a shame that I'm trying to upgrade with two more speakers only 2-3 months later and Athena does not have any more. I was leary about buying a brand I never heard of in the first place (thru various opinions here). This is typical of what can happen when one deals with smaller outfits like Athena IMO.
I think that API, Athena's parent company, would make SVS, Axiom, Av123, etc. seem quite miniscule in comparison. It seems like just unfortunate timing in your case.

Thanks for the recommendation. Yes, you're right. I'm looking for a sub in the sub $200 range ;)

Can you recommend a reputable dealer as well?

Thanks!

I bought mind in Future Shop Ontario. If you are in US, you may also try FS or Best Buy. Check out this link http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/subwoofers/velodyne-acoustics/PRD_286779_2741crx.aspx#review0 for reviews and pricing.

I think that API, Athena's parent company, would make SVS, Axiom, Av123, etc. seem quite miniscule in comparison. It seems like just unfortunate timing in your case.

Thx Jack, I really like the speakers so I put in a pre-order for two more of the silver ones that just came up on Amazon. These are new models (a call to Athena's c/s today said they may not ship for 4-6 weeks) , the rep said he'd check and email me back if they will match the 6's, but they look the same in the picture. It's free shipping from Amazon, so if the match is too far off I'll send them back and watch for two on Ebay.

Also two thumbs up to "Audio Advisors" they are sending me a fedex pickup and credited me back for my original shipping for the speaker that came in the wrong color . . . can't ask for more than that, nice people to deal with :) (I bought my Athena Micra 6 speaker package from them in Jan).

Anyone have there C1.2 mounted on a speaker shelf resting on the TV? I have a Samsung DLP and was interested in this mount:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00067AIEU/002-4001823-0056825?v=glance&n=172282

I believe the Athena center is 15lbs...don't want to damage the tv or center. The other option would be a shelf mounted to the wall behind the tv.

Anyone have there C1.2 mounted on a speaker shelf resting on the TV? I have a Samsung DLP and was interested in this mount:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00067AIEU/002-4001823-0056825?v=glance&n=172282

I believe the Athena center is 15lbs...don't want to damage the tv or center. The other option would be a shelf mounted to the wall behind the tv.

I have the same mount. Works great. I have a CRT though not a DLP.

I just have to stop by and rave about my Athenas again now and then. Every time I spend some time listening to other speakers, many of them far more expensive, and then return to my F1's I am amazed all over again by how great they sound. I am especially impressed by the imaging, which can fill a room while remaining pinpoint precise.
These speakers have no right to sound as fantastic as they do for the price I paid! Eventually, I hope to hook them up to a much fancier amp just to see what they can do.

Just an observation on the R1: I played around a bit with positioning the past few days comparing back wall mounting to side-wall and found I defiinitely prefer side-wall. I found that on the back wall, 6' high and a few feet to the left and right of the couch (which is about a foot out from the back wall), I got too much direct sound from the tweeter and not a balanced timbre, a little distracting and didn't image well. On the side walls, 6' up and aligned with the back of the couch, slightly behind the listeners heads, the sound is much more balanced. Imaging is better since the mids are direct, but the highs seem all there perhaps due to the reflecting wall close to the rearward-firing tweeter.
I also put the F2's back into service, moving the F1's out. After recalibrating the Denon 2900 (all "small", bass provided by my dual-15 IB sub), the combination of the F2's, C1, and R1s sounds truly sweet for hi-rez audio, rendering a seamless envelope with almost limitless dynamic ability.

My AS-R1s are mounted on the side walls as well.

I was watching I-Robot on my AS-F2s, AS-C1, and AS-R1s with SVS 25-31CS and Panasonic SA-XR50 and it sounded amazing when I played it loud. I already ordered Ascends to replace these, but man, how much better can it get?

Jack. What are the dimensions of your room. I am planning the same setup (with different sub).

PF

OneCall is having a heckuva sale on 5-speaker Athena Pt 5 system, if you can wait until they restock.

can someone please recommend a place that will ship to australia
we have several retailers here but the prices are crazy compared to some of the US prices (after conversion of course), i'm hunting a 5 spekers set of the F2.2 and matching centre and surrounds. cheers

Anyone have there C1.2 mounted on a speaker shelf resting on the TV? I have a Samsung DLP and was interested in this mount:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00067AIEU/002-4001823-0056825?v=glance&n=172282

I believe the Athena center is 15lbs...don't want to damage the tv or center. The other option would be a shelf mounted to the wall behind the tv.

I have the omnimount, got it also from that link, have a c1.2 on a sony 42" a10

Greetings,

My first pair of B1.2s arrived yesterday. Wow, what great little speakers! I hear music from my old CDs that I've never heard before. Even FM radio sounds better. Speaker technology has really advanced since my last purchase a couple of decades ago.

I read that the C1.2 has relatively poor off-axis dispersion from the tweeter. After playing around with the B1.2s, I can see and hear why. The C1.2 is like a B1.2 rotated 90 degrees. When I turn the B1.2 on its side, the high freqs disperse vertically, not horizontally. You don't even have to rotate the B1.2 to hear the difference between moving your head from side to side vs. top to bottom.

I suppose the advantage of the C1.2 is that it will keep the center channel in the center of the soundstage, for the seat(s) within the rotated tweeter's narrow horizontal dispersion. In my case, the favorite seats are outside of this sweet spot and so need something wider.

If you are or have used a B1 (in its normal upright position) as a center channel, what was your experience over time? Also, how did you securely mount it to your TV (or the wall behind)?

Thanks in advance,
Leo W

I have the omnimount, got it also from that link, have a c1.2 on a sony 42" a10

How long have you had it up there? No problems?

My AS-R1s are mounted on the side walls as well.

I was watching I-Robot on my AS-F2s, AS-C1, and AS-R1s with SVS 25-31CS and Panasonic SA-XR50 and it sounded amazing when I played it loud. I already ordered Ascends to replace these, but man, how much better can it get?
I would say not much better.
I find myself more impressed with my F1's the more I listen to other speakers. I keep going back and forth between them and my Def Tech BP8's in my stereo (while using the others for surround in my HT.) The Def Techs are more accurate and linear, but the Athenas have a lifelike, "reach out and touch it" character that the Def Techs lack.
Even among speakers costing thousands of $, I have yet to hear any that are so much better than the F1's that I would feel justified in dropping that kind of money on them.

Front - B2.2
Center - C1.2
Rear - B2.2
Sub - 4000
Surround - none
Receiver - Denon AVR-886

I went to this from a crappy JVC HTIB so obviosuly the difference is absolutely stagering. Everything is so clear and there's finally base! The THX demos shake the house quite effectively. I'm loving them so far!

One thing I'm wondering tho... My receiver has 7.1 capabilities... I'm seriously thinking of picking up 2 of Athena's R1.2 the dipole surround speakers. That would give me 2 R1.2's and 2 B2.2's for my rear and surround speakers. How should I arrange these 4 speakers? Keep the B2.2's as rear or move them to surround and move the r1.2's into the rear position? Any help would be appreciated!

(not sure if I have the speaker location terminology right... what I'm calling "rear" are the speakers perpendicular to the listener and the screen, and I'm calling "surround" the speakers behind the listener.)

Front - B2.2
Center - C1.2
Rear - B2.2
Sub - 4000
Surround - none
Receiver - Denon AVR-886

I went to this from a crappy JVC HTIB so obviosuly the difference is absolutely stagering. Everything is so clear and there's finally base! The THX demos shake the house quite effectively. I'm loving them so far!

One thing I'm wondering tho... My receiver has 7.1 capabilities... I'm seriously thinking of picking up 2 of Athena's R1.2 the dipole surround speakers. That would give me 2 R1.2's and 2 B2.2's for my rear and surround speakers. How should I arrange these 4 speakers? Keep the B2.2's as rear or move them to surround and move the r1.2's into the rear position? Any help would be appreciated!

(not sure if I have the speaker location terminology right... what I'm calling "rear" are the speakers perpendicular to the listener and the screen, and I'm calling "surround" the speakers behind the listener.)
Personally, I am quite satisfied with 5.1 and sceptical that adding 2 extra speakers would be worth the $.
By the way, I know what functors are. We studied them in one of my graduate Abstract Algebra classes. :D

Jack. What are the dimensions of your room. I am planning the same setup (with different sub).
12'x13'x9'. The couch is about a foot out from one 13' wall, the F2's flank a 7' wide 2.35:1 screen along the opposite wall, slightly toed-in, with the C1 on a cinderblock stand (shrouded in Duvetyne, as is the top of the C1) about 1" below the screen and angled up a bit to optimize the axis. The R1's are 6' up on the side walls with their mids aligned with the back of the couch, which puts their mids about a foot from the back wall and slightly behind listener's heads.


I suppose the advantage of the C1.2 is that it will keep the center channel in the center of the soundstage, for the seat(s) within the rotated tweeter's narrow horizontal dispersion. In my case, the favorite seats are outside of this sweet spot and so need something wider.
Yup, you've found the weak spot of horizontal-polarity MTM centers. Interestingly, it's not the rotated tweeter that's the culprit, but the interaction of the mids at the top of their range that's responsible for the cancellations/lobing you hear.
I've found that my listening area is narrow enough that's it's not too much of an issue in my setup on movies. For multi-channel DVD-A/SACD music, where it might draw more attention to itself, I listen alone right in the on-axis sweet spot, so it's not an issue.

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I just got finished working out upstairs where I have my trio of lonely F1's stashed. While staring at them, I started to wonder how feasible it would be to just cut off the bottom of one, say just below the port, and lengthen the port to re-tune. Theoretically, it should result in a more rolled-off response than stock, but should timbre-match better, and have better low-end and dynamics, than any of the bookshelves or center, with none of the lobing issues. I'd reseal the bottom, of course, and the new height would fit under my screen. A little backward tilt would put me right on the vertical axis.

I guess the key phrase here is "re-tune". As long as you know how to do that, the idea might work. (I love my F1's too much to cut them up!)

I found that on the back wall, 6' high and a few feet to the left and right of the couch (which is about a foot out from the back wall), I got too much direct sound from the tweeter and not a balanced timbre, a little distracting and didn't image well. On the side walls, 6' up and aligned with the back of the couch, slightly behind the listeners heads, the sound is much more balanced. Imaging is better since the mids are direct, but the highs seem all there perhaps due to the reflecting wall close to the rearward-firing tweeter.

I am having a tough time deciding what to do for surrounds because I have a similar setup except there is no side wall on the left side. Currently I am just using the built-in speakers on my SXRD, but I'm ready to pull the trigger on a F2.2/C1.2/R1.2 system.

With no left wall for the surround, I am considering the R1.2 on a macromount hanging from the ceiling. But with no back wall I am guessing that the R1.2 won't be that effective.

I'd like to hear thoughts on this setup. Has anyone with a similar room setup ever tried hanging a baffle behind a ceiling mounted R1.2 for it to reflect off of? Would such a baffle have to be so huge to be effective that it would be hideous looking, or could there be small foot-print solution like is?

Or is that just a stupid idea. :rolleyes:

I am having a tough time deciding what to do for surrounds because I have a similar setup except there is no side wall on the left side. Currently I am just using the built-in speakers on my SXRD, but I'm ready to pull the trigger on a F2.2/C1.2/R1.2 system.

With no left wall for the surround, I am considering the R1.2 on a macromount hanging from the ceiling. But with no back wall I am guessing that the R1.2 won't be that effective.

I'd like to hear thoughts on this setup. Has anyone with a similar room setup ever tried hanging a baffle behind a ceiling mounted R1.2 for it to reflect off of? Would such a baffle have to be so huge to be effective that it would be hideous looking, or could there be small foot-print solution like is?

Or is that just a stupid idea. :rolleyes:
In that situation, I would say just to use monopole surrounds such as B1.2's.

In that situation, I would say just to use monopole surrounds such as B1.2's.

Yeah, I suppose so. Are there mounts like the macromount available for the B2.2s?

I'm finally getting a system put together. I've got the Point 5 system and a Pioneer vsx-516 Receiver. I've also got an Oknyo HT-S580 system with the original speakers in another room. I'm thinking of using 2 of the Pont 5 speakers for fronts on each receiver and searching for a used C.5 to complete both front setups then sell the Oknyo HTIB speakers. My question is Surrounds for the 5.1 setups. First impulse was to purchase 4 AS-R1.2s which I know is probably the best route keeping everything the same. But the JBL E10s are less than 1/2 the price. Any thoughts on using JBL E10s for surrounds. I've heard they are good speakers. I'm aware the Athenas are bipolar and the JBLs aren't. Other than that would be the drawbacks. It's for surrounds only and I don't really care about matching as far as looking the same, the AS-R1.2s aren't going to match the looks of the Point 5s anyway. But at less than 1/2 the price I'm seriously considering going with the E10s.
Any thoughts?

I am looking to upgrade to Athenas from an Onkyo 770 HTIB and am struggling with a similar problem with L/R surrounds. My surrounds are/need to be on a brick column(L) and a short
wall(R) that lie in line with and inches behind the seating position. Neither column or wall extends behind the seating position. I'm currently using Omnimount Audio Basics 2 brackets to extend the surrounds slightly away from these surfaces and turn them 90 degrees to fire at and down to the seating position.

I would like to use AS-B1.2s in this position but fear they would be too heavy. Is there a mount compatible with the B1s for this situation? Would the Athena S.5 mounts work in this manner (assuming a single pair can be found these days)? Would retaining the Onkyo surrounds be a big problem with a front stage of B2.2s, C1.2 and AS-P6000/Hsu STF-2?

TIA for your opinions/suggestions!

I'm finally getting a system put together. I've got the Point 5 system and a Pioneer vsx-516 Receiver. I've also got an Oknyo HT-S580 system with the original speakers in another room. I'm thinking of using 2 of the Pont 5 speakers for fronts on each receiver and searching for a used C.5 to complete both front setups then sell the Oknyo HTIB speakers. My question is Surrounds for the 5.1 setups. First impulse was to purchase 4 AS-R1.2s which I know is probably the best route keeping everything the same. But the JBL E10s are less than 1/2 the price. Any thoughts on using JBL E10s for surrounds. I've heard they are good speakers. I'm aware the Athenas are bipolar and the JBLs aren't. Other than that would be the drawbacks. It's for surrounds only and I don't really care about matching as far as looking the same, the AS-R1.2s aren't going to match the looks of the Point 5s anyway. But at less than 1/2 the price I'm seriously considering going with the E10s.
Any thoughts?


Probably not the answer you're looking for, but have you considered getting 4 B1.2s and using those for the fronts and the .5s for the surrounds?

How long have you had it up there? No problems?

2 days! :D

2 days! :D
:rolleyes:

Probably not the answer you're looking for, but have you considered getting 4 B1.2s and using those for the fronts and the .5s for the surrounds?

Yes I have, would be a nice setup. The problem with that is I'm limited to 11" height for the front speakers.

Also add the polk R15 in on my previous question as they frequently go on sale also.

Front - B2.2
Center - C1.2
Rear - B2.2
Sub - 4000
Surround - none
Receiver - Denon AVR-886

I went to this from a crappy JVC HTIB so obviosuly the difference is absolutely stagering. Everything is so clear and there's finally base! The THX demos shake the house quite effectively. I'm loving them so far!

One thing I'm wondering tho... My receiver has 7.1 capabilities... I'm seriously thinking of picking up 2 of Athena's R1.2 the dipole surround speakers. That would give me 2 R1.2's and 2 B2.2's for my rear and surround speakers. How should I arrange these 4 speakers? Keep the B2.2's as rear or move them to surround and move the r1.2's into the rear position? Any help would be appreciated!

(not sure if I have the speaker location terminology right... what I'm calling "rear" are the speakers perpendicular to the listener and the screen, and I'm calling "surround" the speakers behind the listener.)

on the sides and AS-B1s as the back surround. I think this is pretty typical of those that use bipoles on the sides (I believe THX recommends bi/dipoles on the sides and direct firing speakers on the back)...though since the AS-R1s can fire directly as well, they can be used in the rear...granted, I don't always follow their recommendations, but in this case, I think it works well...

Any word on the micra 6 being discontinued? Futureshop (canadian bestbuy) has a flier out this week stating that its on final clearance. Usually this means the item is being discontinued. Is it?

I ordered mine three weeks ago. Too good a deal to pass up. But I'm getting antsy while they re-stock. I sent an e-mail to customer service and a representative said they were on order and he didn't know when they'd get a shipment.

OneCall is having a heckuva sale on 5-speaker Athena Pt 5 system, if you can wait until they restock.

I am in the same boat as you Insider... I sent an email, and got two replies. This was about a week ago, and one said "Literally any day now" and the other said "Approximately two weeks". If now they are saying they don't know.... I don't know if I like the sound of that....

Why wait for what might be a bait and switch price for $298 from Onecall when you finish paying the shipping you will probably be around what Amazon charges with free shipping. Amazon is showing $349 for silver. Also show black and silver in stock from another vendor for $299 plus shipping.

I came across them while I was searching for two more Micra 6 in all silver.

Heck, I got a pair of Point 5's and a .5 Center "Brand New" that I am thinking of selling. I still have the receipt for full warranty too. Send me a PM with an offer. :cool:

Thx Jack, I really like the speakers so I put in a pre-order for two more of the silver ones that just came up on Amazon. These are new models (a call to Athena's c/s today said they may not ship for 4-6 weeks) , the rep said he'd check and email me back if they will match the 6's, but they look the same in the picture. It's free shipping from Amazon, so if the match is too far off I'll send them back and watch for two on Ebay.

Also two thumbs up to "Audio Advisors" they are sending me a fedex pickup and credited me back for my original shipping for the speaker that came in the wrong color . . . can't ask for more than that, nice people to deal with :) (I bought my Athena Micra 6 speaker package from them in Jan).

If you're willing to purchase a used speaker (in this case speakers that were used as Demos), Audio Advisors lists silver Micra 6 satellites on their "Clearance" list (on the left hand side, top, of the home page) at a discount to the new speakers you have on on pre-order.

It's $199 ($230 after shipping). I'll take my chances and wait to see if they re-stock.

Why wait for what might be a bait and switch price for $298 from Onecall when you finish paying the shipping you will probably be around what Amazon charges with free shipping. Amazon is showing $349 for silver. Also show black and silver in stock from another vendor for $299 plus shipping.

I came across them while I was searching for two more Micra 6 in all silver.

If you're willing to purchase a used speaker (in this case speakers that were used as Demos), Audio Advisors lists silver Micra 6 satellites on their "Clearance" list (on the left hand side, top, of the home page) at a discount to the new speakers you have on on pre-order.

Thx Catt, I thought of that already for used speakers. I checked those you mention at Audio Advisors but for the $14 savings per speaker plus shipping it doesn't make sense to me to buy demo's.

These are tiny speakers and you know if used as a demos they would have been played at blasting levels many times to show how much power they can take for such small speakers.

They should also be priced at a 50% discount for demos IMO and the Micra 6 is already being replaced by another model in a few weeks. Hopefully they will be close to the design I have now.

I'm pretty sure Athena is coming out with a whole new line or a huge update to the Audition line in the next month or so, it seems likely to me that they have stopped producing the old models and are building an inventory of the newer ones.. The speakers got great reviews and as we can see here people are always looking for some extra speakers to complete their collection, but Athena suddenly stopped being sold at Best Buy and seems to be being blown out everywhere else they are sold. It seems a lot like when the AS started adding the .2's to their line-up. I know that doesn't really help you much, but it should at least prove to you that it's not just some fly-by-night operation.

Thx, I agree and if I can't locate two new Micra 6's in silver, I'll have to go with the new model which looks close by the picture. I actually only need one so if the new ones are a liitle different I'll use that one for the rear center channel surround and keep the other as a spare.

Any word on the micra 6 being discontinued? Futureshop (canadian bestbuy) has a flier out this week stating that its on final clearance. Usually this means the item is being discontinued. Is it?

I spoke with the at Athena in Canada last week and he said they are coming out with new models to replace the Micra 6 line in 4-6 weeks. They look the same to me, on the small ones anyway.

I asked him why Best Buy does not carry their line anymore and he said they are going to be sold online.

In my opinion Best Buy sells most items at list price and they probably squeezed to much of Athena's profit margins away from them in order to sell them in their stores.

Does anyone know if Athena is coming out with new models of the point 5s? I've been trying to find some to use as surrounds for some time, and I can't find them anywhere...

thanks!

I'm more into music than movies (60/40), but I've finally gotten the itch for a nice home theater set-up. My budget is fairly small...probablly $1000 to $1500 for everthing I need: A/V receiver and 5.1 speakers ( I already have a nice TV and DVD player).

I really like the Athena F2.2 speakers and was planning on building around them as my fronts, but I've read a lot of discouraging feedback on the C1.2 center channel not being able to keep up. How bad is it? Since the cost difference is only about $150 between B2.2 with stands and the F2.2's, I think it's silly to step down in fronts. I'm thinking that at some point Athena will wise-up and make a C2 companion for the F2's, which will be a simple and inexpensive fix to my system at a later time. Using the 1.2 or 2.2 as a center channel really doesn't work in my space, so I really don't wanna go there. The question is...can I live with the C1.2 in the meantime, or is the problem SO bad that I"ll REALLY be unhappy? If I'm using 2-channel 60% of the time, maybe that dwarfs the problem? Any thoughts??

I'm more into music than movies (60/40), but I've finally gotten the itch for a nice home theater set-up. My budget is fairly small...probablly $1000 to $1500 for everthing I need: A/V receiver and 5.1 speakers ( I already have a nice TV and DVD player).

I really like the Athena F2.2 speakers and was planning on building around them as my fronts, but I've read a lot of discouraging feedback on the C1.2 center channel not being able to keep up. How bad is it? Since the cost difference is only about $150 between B2.2 with stands and the F2.2's, I think it's silly to step down in fronts. I'm thinking that at some point Athena will wise-up and make a C2 companion for the F2's, which will be a simple and inexpensive fix to my system at a later time. Using the 1.2 or 2.2 as a center channel really doesn't work in my space, so I really don't wanna go there. The question is...can I live with the C1.2 in the meantime, or is the problem SO bad that I"ll REALLY be unhappy? If I'm using 2-channel 60% of the time, maybe that dwarfs the problem? Any thoughts??
I don't know if it is true that the C1.2 can't keep up with the F2.2's, but if it is then other options would include using a B2.2 as a center or using a phantom center. I would not step down from the F2.2's because they are really nice speakers for music, especially in 2-channel mode (I love, love, love my F1's :D )

I really like the Athena F2.2 speakers and was planning on building around them as my fronts, but I've read a lot of discouraging feedback on the C1.2 center channel not being able to keep up. How bad is it?
As with most MTM centers, the problems arise mainly off-axis. On movies, my listening area is not so wide that this is a big issue (certainly not enough to be a distraction). And for music (SACD/DVD-A), I listen right in the center sweet-spot, so that's not an issue. Not as good as an F1 there, of course, but that's a wee bit tall...
As far as "keeping up", it's actually somewhere between the floorstanders and bookshelves in terms of woofer displacement, which tends to translate to dynamic ability. So, while it's not as good dynamically as the larger models, it'll probably "keep up" at least as well as the bookshelf models (assumingly that people are referring to dynamics/loudness in their descriptions).

I'm thinking that at some point Athena will wise-up and make a C2 companion for the F2's,
I'm sure they would if there's enough demand. There was a guy who built one a while ago, and I'm looking to maybe fashion something with my unused F1's.

I'm more into music than movies (60/40), but I've finally gotten the itch for a nice home theater set-up. My budget is fairly small...probablly $1000 to $1500 for everthing I need: A/V receiver and 5.1 speakers ( I already have a nice TV and DVD player).

I really like the Athena F2.2 speakers and was planning on building around them as my fronts, but I've read a lot of discouraging feedback on the C1.2 center channel not being able to keep up. How bad is it? Since the cost difference is only about $150 between B2.2 with stands and the F2.2's, I think it's silly to step down in fronts. I'm thinking that at some point Athena will wise-up and make a C2 companion for the F2's, which will be a simple and inexpensive fix to my system at a later time. Using the 1.2 or 2.2 as a center channel really doesn't work in my space, so I really don't wanna go there. The question is...can I live with the C1.2 in the meantime, or is the problem SO bad that I"ll REALLY be unhappy? If I'm using 2-channel 60% of the time, maybe that dwarfs the problem? Any thoughts??

I have AS-F2s, AS-C1, and AS-R1s and they do sound good for the money. I've ordered Ascend Acoustics as an upgrade however.

Look into this setup:

CBM-170 SE mains
CBM-170 SE center
HSU VTF-2 MK2 sub

You can save $100 by going to the HSU STF-2 sub. If you can afford it, you can upgrade to the 340 center as well as 340 mains.

Add a receiver, some speaker stands and some cheap surrounds to go with this.

Check them out at www.ascendacoustics.com. Check out the forum also.

Apparently, I need to find a way to listen to the Ascends. That is the only way for me to understand how people can consider bookshelf speakers an upgrade over Athena's huge,powerful, dynamic floorstanding towers with twin 8" woofers.
(Having heard Polk Monitors, however, I don't know that I could ever like the 340's or any speakers with a D'Apollito array. I was much too aware of it compressing the sound into a single horizontal plane.)

Apparently, I need to find a way to listen to the Ascends. That is the only way for me to understand how people can consider bookshelf speakers an upgrade over Athena's huge,powerful, dynamic floorstanding towers with twin 8" woofers.
(Having heard Polk Monitors, however, I don't know that I could ever like the 340's or any speakers with a array. I was much too aware of it compressing the sound into a single horizontal plane.)
Bigger isn't always better and not all D'Apollito/MTM setups are the same.

Here is a comparison between older Ascends and Athenas done by an AVS forum member.
http://swbg1.tripod.com/ascend_speakers.htm

To find owners of Ascends near you, click here:

http://www.frappr.com/ascendacousticsowners

Bigger isn't always better and not all D'Apollito/MTM setups are the same.

Here is a comparison between older Ascends and Athenas done by an AVS forum member.
http://swbg1.tripod.com/ascend_speakers.htm
I can think of many examples where bigger is not better, but Athenas have the quality as well. Most of the criticism's of the F2's in the review centered around performance at high volume, so in that sense they are not relevant to me.
Still, I will consider giving some Ascends a listen. It will take a lot of speaker to displace my F1's, though. (Def Tech's couldn't do it, though they came close-for 3X the price. :D )

I'm more into music than movies (60/40), but I've finally gotten the itch for a nice home theater set-up. My budget is fairly small...probablly $1000 to $1500 for everthing I need: A/V receiver and 5.1 speakers ( I already have a nice TV and DVD player).

I really like the Athena F2.2 speakers and was planning on building around them as my fronts, but I've read a lot of discouraging feedback on the C1.2 center channel not being able to keep up. How bad is it? Since the cost difference is only about $150 between B2.2 with stands and the F2.2's, I think it's silly to step down in fronts. I'm thinking that at some point Athena will wise-up and make a C2 companion for the F2's, which will be a simple and inexpensive fix to my system at a later time. Using the 1.2 or 2.2 as a center channel really doesn't work in my space, so I really don't wanna go there. The question is...can I live with the C1.2 in the meantime, or is the problem SO bad that I"ll REALLY be unhappy? If I'm using 2-channel 60% of the time, maybe that dwarfs the problem? Any thoughts??

I use F2.2 and C1.2 as well but do not find any noticable problem with 1.2 keeping up with F2.2. I only listern to music in stereo so C1.2 is only active when playing movies and concerts. In my case, C1.2 mixes well with F2.2. Remember that C1.2 has a lower sensitivity 89db than F2.2 (91db). Try adjusting the speaker level between the front and center will keep a good balance in the system.

How much of a drop off from the F2.2 and the F1.2. After looking at my space, the F1.2 would be a much better fit, but SOUND is still my priority. Will I be kicking myself for not getting the 2.2's?

My room is 20x14, but there's a door opening on that 14' wall where I need to put the equipment, which reduces the usable wall space to about 9 feet. I have a rear projection TV that's 4.5 feet wide, leaving only about 2.5 feet on each side for the speakers. Is that enough for the 2.2's? Is it even enough for the 1.2's? How much distance (left/right) should there be between the TV and where the speaker begins? Obviously I'm a rookie...any help is greatly appreciated :)

How much of a drop off from the F2.2 and the F1.2. After looking at my space, the F1.2 would be a much better fit, but SOUND is still my priority. Will I be kicking myself for not getting the 2.2's?

My room is 20x14, but there's a door opening on that 14' wall where I need to put the equipment, which reduces the usable wall space to about 9 feet. I have a rear projection TV that's 4.5 feet wide, leaving only about 2.5 feet on each side for the speakers. Is that enough for the 2.2's? Is it even enough for the 1.2's? How much distance (left/right) should there be between the TV and where the speaker begins? Obviously I'm a rookie...any help is greatly appreciated :)
I am very satisfied with my F1's, but I never had the opportunity to A/B compare them with the F2's (BB carried F1's but not F2's at that time.) I also had the B1's in my stereo for a while, and thought they sounded very good for their size (just no bass.)

Oh, I almost forgot: you can put shielded speakers right next to the TV as long as they are even with, or slightly forward of the screen. Just don't set them back where the sound reflects off the sides of the TV cabinet.

How much of a drop off from the F2.2 and the F1.2. After looking at my space, the F1.2 would be a much better fit, but SOUND is still my priority. Will I be kicking myself for not getting the 2.2's?
Nahh, I have both, and they're very close. Somewhat deeper bass and ultimate loudness from the 2.2, but nothing to kick yourself over.

I have a rear projection TV that's 4.5 feet wide, leaving only about 2.5 feet on each side for the speakers. Is that enough for the 2.2's? Is it even enough for the 1.2's? How much distance (left/right) should there be between the TV and where the speaker begins?
You should be fine with either. As Pulliamm advises, have the speaker fronts at least flush with the screen (you don't want the speaker baffle set back from the TV).

What a pleasant surprise...

I thought the F2's were wider than the F1's, but they are actually the same width (9.50"). That being the case, and the price being the same for either of them at audioadvisor, I pulled the trigger and purchased the F2's. $399 delivered is an amazing price for those speakers. So I wound up spending $650 total (includes delivery) for (2) B1.2's, (1) C1.2, and (2) F2.2's. I'm VERY happy with that. Since I listen to music about 60 to 70% of the time, I think I can live with the shortcoming of the C1.2 in this set-up for the time being. Thanks for everyone's help :)

Nice. Can't imagine doing much better for that price. :) I didn't see mention of a sub (?), but the F2 might have enough thump to make you happy.

That is a sweet system. Try listening to music with just the F2.2's (straight stereo: no sub.) I think you will be very impressed with what they can do. That is how I use my F1's.

Well...

This stuff is going into a home I'm not moving into for a few more months. By that time, I hope to have the last two pieces of the puzzle: HSU STF-2 and Pioneer 1015. I purchased the speakers first because of their incredible price...I didn't want to lose out on that. I think there's less of a chance that the other two components will increase in price before I have the cash to get 'em. And, if by any chance my budget happens to shrink for whatever reason, I'd rather have better speakers and cut back on the receiver and sub if necessary. Makes sense to me, but then again, I'm not that bright when it comes the video stuff :)

I have both the F2s and F1s and there is a significant difference. My original F1 fronts and sides configuration sounded great, but when I substituted F2s for the fronts, the difference was not subtle, both for music and HT. But, I also think some of that difference is due to the electronics driving the speakers as well as the ability to calibrate the speaker configuration.

I am using a HK 635 and its EzSet/EQ functionality is awesome as well as the ability to set crossover points for each group of speakers (fronts, center, sides, rears, and subwoofer). That also speaks to the issue of using a C1 with the F2s.

This is my second time with a F2-fronts, C1-center configuration and I have never felt the C1 was inadequate for either HT or music (stereo or 5.1 surround). Since the 635 can equalize/calibrate each group of speakers, the crossover point, delay and level adjustment for the C1 is setup appropriately for use with the F2s. Movie/TV dialogue is crystal clear with an almost seamless front soundstage. Surround sound music (5.1 SACD and DVD-Audio) is outstanding (check out the SACD or DVD-A of "Brothers In Arms" by Dire Straits).

If you have the ability to adjust your speaker levels, a good investment is a SPL meter from Radio Shack to 'fine tune' those levels. The 635's EzSet/EQ did a great job as a automated tool, but I tweaked the distances with a tape measure and levels with the SPL meter.

SPL meter: $39.99
Calibration/tweaking: less than an hour
Results: Priceless :D!

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I have both the F2s and F1s and there is a significant difference.
That's weird, I just switched them out and find them pretty interchangeable. Same drivers, orientation, probably similar crossover point and slopes. I set to "small', with a sub, though, if used alone the differences are somewhat greater, but they are still of the same "cloth", so to speak.

SPL meter: $39.99
Calibration/tweaking: less than an hour
Results: Priceless !
Absolutely. I think that any DD receiver must have the ability to set level by spec.

Thanks Web for giving me something else to consider. I really like the EZset/EQ feature (among several others). I'm now considering getting this receiver and waiting a bit on my sub purchase. It sounds like the F2.2's can provide decent enough bass in the meantime, so it's definately a worthwhile alternative to consider. I did a quick search and read some reviews that compare the Denon 3805 and HK 635. Based on what I read, my choice (without recommendation) would be the HK. With your recommendation (having the same speakers), it tips the scale even further. Thanks for the tip!

I asked this question in a seperate thread, but didn't get any response. So I thought maybe my luck will be better here:

Does anyone here own the older Athena S3 bookshelf speakers, or has anyone heard them before? How are they compared to the current Audition series, especially the AS-B1s and AS-B2s?

I owned S3 and P3. I also have AS-B1. S3 is way better than AS-B1.

xmancananda, thanks for the feedback. What do you think of the sound difference between S3 and AS-B1? Do you think I will be able to integrate the S3 seamlessly into my current system setup of 4 AS-B1s + 1 AS-C1 + 1 AS-P4000?

I have an HK 235 with AS-F2.2s for my front L and R and an AS-F1 for my front.

It seems that at higher volumes the dialogue gets lost and almost overpowered, especially in heavy action sequences. Otherwise, the speakers sound fine. I hear no distortion and the HK seems to have the power...

What's the best solution? I can run the center a bit 'hotter' than the others, but by how much would this be a good idea? My center is also set at like +8 when calibrated at 85 dB a 0...BTW how important is it to have very accurate delay measurements? I might be a foot or two off...Could this make a difference? Would an auto EQ help? Maybe it's the room.

One oher thing to note is that when I tested my AS-F1 with frequency sweeps and warble tones in Avia, there seemed to be an odd cabinet resonance of sorts and an odd gap at around 150Hz...

Maybe I should consider sending the AS-F1 for service...

I have an HK 235 with AS-F2.2s for my front L and R and an AS-F1 for my front.

It seems that at higher volumes the dialogue gets lost and almost overpowered, especially in heavy action sequences. Otherwise, the speakers sound fine. I hear no distortion and the HK seems to have the power...

What's the best solution? I can run the center a bit 'hotter' than the others, but by how much would this be a good idea? My center is also set at like +8 when calibrated at 85 dB a 0...BTW how important is it to have very accurate delay measurements? I might be a foot or two off...Could this make a difference? Would an auto EQ help? Maybe it's the room.

One oher thing to note is that when I tested my AS-F1 with frequency sweeps and warble tones in Avia, there seemed to be an odd cabinet resonance of sorts and an odd gap at around 150Hz...

Maybe I should consider sending the AS-F1 for service...
Delay effects how convincing the soundfield is, but not intelligibility of dialogue (a foot or two is pretty neligible anyway.) A lot of people turn the center up slightly to hear it better. Gaps and resonances are design compromises (to be expected at the price), and do not indicate that anything is wrong with the speaker, nor will you hear them when playing soundtracks rather than test signals.

Who has the P6000 sub, and what do you think of it? I'm setting up an F2.2/C-1.2/IC-8 5.1 system and can get the P6000 for about a quarter k. This sub doesn't seem to have a great following, so I'm looking for some owner feedback on it.

I'm not an audiophile, but I do want this system to sound good. I'm the kind of guy that is cheap when it makes sense, but if I'm dropping 250 for something that is just okay, or I can up it to 4 or 5 hundred for something genuinely good, I'll step up to the better quality.

Thanks in advance.

Who has the P6000 sub, and what do you think of it? I'm setting up an F2.2/C-1.2/IC-8 5.1 system and can get the P6000 for about a quarter k. This sub doesn't seem to have a great following, so I'm looking for some owner feedback on it.

I'm not an audiophile, but I do want this system to sound good. I'm the kind of guy that is cheap when it makes sense, but if I'm dropping 250 for something that is just okay, or I can up it to 4 or 5 hundred for something genuinely good, I'll step up to the better quality.

Thanks in advance.
I have the P4000 which I bought back before the prices got slashed, so I paid about K/4 for it :( . It is a decent sub, but I could have done better for the $. My first choice now would be the Def Tech Pro80.

Who has the P6000 sub, and what do you think of it? I'm setting up an F2.2/C-1.2/IC-8 5.1 system and can get the P6000 for about a quarter k. This sub doesn't seem to have a great following, so I'm looking for some owner feedback on it.

I'm not an audiophile, but I do want this system to sound good. I'm the kind of guy that is cheap when it makes sense, but if I'm dropping 250 for something that is just okay, or I can up it to 4 or 5 hundred for something genuinely good, I'll step up to the better quality.

Thanks in advance.

Have it, love it, think it's a great value. It's very big physically. There's a thread over on the sub forum where it charted pretty well.

Paid about $180 or so on ebay for a new one. Wouldn't buy anything else for less than $200.

Can't turn the volume up past 5 out of fear it will destroy my house.

Who has the P6000 sub, and what do you think of it? I'm setting up an F2.2/C-1.2/IC-8 5.1 system and can get the P6000 for about a quarter k. This sub doesn't seem to have a great following, so I'm looking for some owner feedback on it.

I'm not an audiophile, but I do want this system to sound good. I'm the kind of guy that is cheap when it makes sense, but if I'm dropping 250 for something that is just okay, or I can up it to 4 or 5 hundred for something genuinely good, I'll step up to the better quality.

Thanks in advance.

and I got it for a very good deal (~$160), so for that price there is little doubt I couldn't have done better. I set the crossover at its highest and let my receiver's bass management take care of the crossovers. I have an HK which allows for flexibility in that regard (indiv. xovers). I like the sound for both music and movies. It is definetely tight which is good. It provides plenty of punch for my current needs. I wouldn't use the SCT system or whatever it's called on Athena's subs, unless all my speakers were the same. It's never good to use both xovers from the sub and the receiver or so I was told. It makes sense though if your receiver has decent bass management (and that meens more recent receivers).

Athena's speakers are great for their price, and so are the subs, but not quite the same bargain, since there are some other great subs for reasonable prices. Personally though, I probably wouldn't pay more than 250 for the P6000 though. I heard the P4000 in BB's crappy environment and I wasn't impressed and I'm glad I atleast went for the P6000. If I were looking to pay more than 250 though, I'd be looking at the Mirage (S10 or preferebly S12), or an SVS. I'd go to the sub forum and take a look there. It's not critical to match subs with brands so that doesn't matter.

I just found the WS-100 open box at locally for $270/pr. Is it too good a deal to pass up? If I end up getting F2.2s, can I use the WS-100's as 5.1 surrounds?

If anyone takes offense to this sorry but if you have 4 or 500 dollars a Athena sub should not be something your thinking about....AT ALL!

With that kind of money you can get a sub that will run circles around the 4000/6000 series Athenas. A SVS PB10 comes quickly to mind for 429.00.
He is talking about spending $250 on a sub, not $400 or $500.

I just found the WS-100 open box at locally for $270/pr. Is it too good a deal to pass up? If I end up getting F2.2s, can I use the WS-100's as 5.1 surrounds?
I have never seen them for less than $600, so that is a good price. They would be good as surrounds, but the F2.2's would be vastly better mains. (Note: open-box speakers are sometimes pretty badly beaten up. Check their condition carefully before pulling the trigger.)

Try rereading his post. It's number #692
Oh, OK. :o He is willing to increase his budget to $400 or $500 if the performance is really that much better, which it is. :D

Can SVS subs be gotten for less than MSRP at the SVS website? Or do I need to take that question to the SVS thread?

It seems pretty universal around here that the SVS PB10 really is that much better.

have an onkyo htib onkyo 780, was very pleased watching movies but for listening
to music which i do more than watching movies i was somewhat disappointed...(wife watches a ton of movies) since i changed out original front left and right speaker
with athena as f2.2 series speakers i now have a music system too..wow what a difference.
still using original center speaker from htib and still sounds good with movies.

hawk

Couldn't wait anymore for the new model Athena 6's as Amazon kept moving up my pre-order date for two extra satellites in silver, now they were out to June delivery date.
I don't understand how Athena can run a business like this? I had to wait weeks for the Micra 6 set to come in back in Jan. Wanted two more satellites a couple of months later and then there are none to be had.
I can understand bringing out new models but you don't stop production on the old models until you can fill orders with new models.

You can chime back in as I expect hear with the "I love Athena and have no problems with them" or they don't have them because they are in such high demand! Sure, but they still are an inexpensive speaker set and only the sub is made in canada, the rest are made in China. For Chinsese speakers they can't be in that high a demand!

So IMO it's just bad business to give up sales for several months while we await new models.

Most people are not going to wait that long when you just get a new TV and audio system . . . you want speakers now not 3 months from now.

Poor business practice in my opinion. Probably why Bestbuy will no longer sell Athenas in their stores. Company appears not to be able to keep up with supply.

So I threw in the towel and ordered two demos (really wanted new) in silver like some others have suggested (thx posters) from Audio Advisors.com (great company to deal with EXCELLENT customer service).

They should arrive in another day . . . SINCE they are demos and if I get a lemon I want to swap it back for another with Audio Advisors before they run out . . .

ANYONE know the best way to test them out for damage (since they were demos). I have an SPL meter and a DVE disk but other than sending the test tone through I don't know the first thing about how to test a speaker out?
Thx

Couldn't wait anymore for the new model Athena 6's as Amazon kept moving up my pre-order date for two extra satellites in silver, now they were out to June delivery date.
I don't understand how Athena can run a business like this? I had to wait weeks for the Micra 6 set to come in back in Jan. Wanted two more satellites a couple of months later and then there are none to be had.
I can understand bringing out new models but you don't stop production on the old models until you can fill orders with new models.

You can chime back in as I expect hear with the "I love Athena and have no problems with them" or they don't have them because they are in such high demand! Sure, but they still are an inexpensive speaker set and only the sub is made in canada, the rest are made in China. For Chinsese speakers they can't be in that high a demand!

So IMO it's just bad business to give up sales for several months while we await new models.

Most people are not going to wait that long when you just get a new TV and audio system . . . you want speakers now not 3 months from now.

Poor business practice in my opinion. Probably why Bestbuy will no longer sell Athenas in their stores. Company appears not to be able to keep up with supply.

So I threw in the towel and ordered two demos (really wanted new) in silver like some others have suggested (thx posters) from Audio Advisors.com (great company to deal with EXCELLENT customer service).

They should arrive in another day . . . SINCE they are demos and if I get a lemon I want to swap it back for another with Audio Advisors before they run out . . .

ANYONE know the best way to test them out for damage (since they were demos). I have an SPL meter and a DVE disk but other than sending the test tone through I don't know the first thing about how to test a speaker out?
Thx

If your looking for new Micra's eather sperate, pairs or the entire system you can find them new here.

http://www.discount-electronic.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=30899&ATHENA-MICRA-SAT1S

If your looking for new Micra's eather sperate, pairs or the entire system you can find them new here.

http://www.discount-electronic.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=30899&ATHENA-MICRA-SAT1S

Thx Jakeman, where were you last week when I was searching all over for them :D

I'll see if I can contact them before I order but I have a feeling that they are doing what alot of these vendors do . . they list them in stock but they really don't have them. Once you enter an order they then go to the manafactuer and drop ship them to you. Then they email you back and say product is no longer available :(

Also site has no contact phone # (that's bad) and does not accept returns (another deal breaker). Does not list where their place of business is (bad too).
Might charge your card and not have item anyway, sometimes takes a month to get them to credit you back.

They have an online chat for questions (but no one there, but it's 10pm EST here so I didn't expect anyone there now). Would rather deal with a more reputable website from my past experiences with this type of site. I would bet they don't have any anyway!

So for the hell of it I went thru the order process but did not enter CC. I put in for 2 and it came back only one in stock and they charge $12.98 for UPS ground shipping. Don't want to take a chance because I doubt they actual have one anyway.

So I threw in the towel and ordered two demos (really wanted new) in silver like some others have suggested (thx posters) from Audio Advisors.com (great company to deal with EXCELLENT customer service).

They should arrive in another day . . . SINCE they are demos and if I get a lemon I want to swap it back for another with Audio Advisors before they run out . . .


I don't know the best way to test them, but I ordered a single DEMO a few weeks back from Audio Advisors. I unpacked the unit and looked for any physical belmishes - there were none. I have a smallish room and also limited physical space, and I'm a relative newbie to quality sound, so I'm using Micra's for all my speakers (i.e., even my fronts are Micra's). I swapped out one of my existing fronts for the DEMO recently ordered and played some TV, some HDTV with 5.1 surround, some DVDs, some CDs, some radio, and some 2 channel straight up and with surround effects enabled, and checked (manually) for differences in sound with my existing (new) set-up. The DEMO sounded great, both at low and at very loud volumes (louder than I almost ever use them). I haven't yet run an SPL calibration with the new speaker in the set-up (just relied on my existing settings).

In other words, I really can't tell a difference from the DEMO I ordered and a new unit. HOWEVER, I was prepared to see and hear differences and would have returned anything I wasn't happy with. Before I ordered, I took some solace from the description of the DEMO lable at audio advisor:

Demo Product FAQ

What are Demo Products?

Demo products are any that are not brand new in the box. Some demo items may have dings, scratches or dents on them, or may be missing original factory packing; however, many are in like-new condition. Significant damage to an item will usually be noted in the description. Audio Advisor inspects all demos before shipping to insure they function properly.

Where Do Demos Come From?

Demo products come from a variety of places. Most are from customers who have taken advantage of our 30-day return privilege. Some were used here at Audio Advisor or were used for a short evaluation period by one of our sales representatives. Some are even samples used for photo shoots for our catalog or are ex-review samples from magazines.

Are Demo Products Backed by the Full Manufacturer's Warranty?

Yes. Unless otherwise noted, all demo products carry the full manufacturer's warranty.

Are Demo Products Backed by Your 30-day Satisfaction Guarantee?

Yes. Unless otherwise noted, all our demo products are backed by Audio Advisor's 30-day money back guarantee.

If you require further assistance, please send us an e-mail and we'll respond as quickly as possible.

So, while I won't make a habit of buying demo units (I cringe at the thought of a speaker that has been blasted improperly in a showroom in a questionable set-up, etc.) -- when I found a matching speaker that was hard to find and saw the definition of demo as used, I got comfortable enough with giving it a shot -- I wasn't disappointed though I was prepared for possible returns. I would give it a shot (as you did) and be comfortable that if I received something I wasn't happy with I'd have little trouble turning it back.

I have 2 pairs of ASB1.1's and ASC1.2 and 12" Dayton. Love the setup. Anyway, a friend of mine wants to get some Athenas too. I wanted to find out if there is any noticeable sound difference with ASB1.2's compared to my ASB1.1's.

If so, I will sell them to my friend and get the B1.2's at audioadvisor, otherwise just tell him to get the B1.2's himself. Thanks!

...I wanted to find out if there is any noticeable sound difference with ASB1.2's compared to my ASB1.1's...
The only difference is the weight of the two models.

AS-B1: 14 lbs each
AS-B1.2: 10 lbs each

The speaker components in both models are identical. The AS-B1.2 uses a less expensive, lighter weight enclosure in order to maintain the same price as the AS-B1 when it was introduced. Some have said the 'classic' AS series sounds slightly better due to the 'studier' enclosure, particularly when comparing the F1/F1.2 and F2/F2.2.

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I recently purchased a Behringer DEQ 2496 (http://www.behringer.com/DEQ2496/index.cfm?lang=ENG) digital eq along with their ECM8000 reference measurement microphone for subwoofer use (got a smokin' deal on that Tele as part of the deal at GC, too). Just for fun, though, I tried it last night on the F2's and the improvement (for which there's apparently quite a bit of room in my room) wrought is not subtle.
I used analog connections on both ends so I could listen to SACD on my Denon 2900 (not an option over optical), did the auto-eq routine for each speaker to 80Hz, then tweaked the bass manually. If there was any lack of transparency from the unit, I couldn't detect it. Amazing how the bass cleared up, and vocals gained body. Center images which had pulled to one side are now firmly anchored (The L/R speakers displayed quite dissimilar frequency responses comparing the corrective eq for each one). I really hate to remove it, but I can't use it for 5.1.
All of which tells me I need some serious room treatments to hear what these speakers are truly capable of...

http://home.comcast.net/~tgilvey/IMG_0908.JPG

I realized the other day that I have used my F1's as surround speakers and as 2-channel mains, but I have not tried using them as HT mains. This afternoon, I am going to try that and see how it sounds (I will put my Def Tech BP10b's in my 2-channel setup and continue using BP8b's as surrounds.) I will post my impressions.

Really appreciate you posting the demo description. Makes me feel better too.
I also have Micra 6's all around because they are being used in my bedroom and I wanted them to be less noticeable, especially since I have 7 speakers in there now.

But the Athenas perform better than I expected for the price.

I think the DVE disk has a test signal that hits all the freq's. so if it passes that and I can hear no rattles I'll probably be good to go.

Thx again for your concise post :)

Demo speakers came today. Perfect, not a blemish, in original packing and boxes. Tested them with the DVE disk. Sound great thru all frequencies with no rattles or crackles :cool:

The only difference is the weight of the two models.

AS-B1: 14 lbs each
AS-B1.2: 10 lbs each

The speaker components in both models are identical. The AS-B1.2 uses a less expensive, lighter weight enclosure in order to maintain the same price as the AS-B1 when it was introduced. Some have said the 'classic' AS series sounds slightly better due to the 'studier' enclosure, particularly when comparing the F1/F1.2 and F2/F2.2.

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Where speakers are concerned, weight is a good thing because it does mean stronger enclosures and less cabinet resonance. The lighter weight probably does technically lead to some reduction in sound quality, but whether this is noticeable or not is another question.
In the case of F1/F1.2, the difference is 12lb per speaker.

I realized the other day that I have used my F1's as surround speakers and as 2-channel mains, but I have not tried using them as HT mains. This afternoon, I am going to try that and see how it sounds (I will put my Def Tech BP10b's in my 2-channel setup and continue using BP8b's as surrounds.) I will post my impressions.
I tried it. They sound good enough that I would recommend them to anyone building a new system. They did not, however, blend seamlessly with the Def Tech surrounds (not that I really expected them to.) It was a worthwhile experiment, but I am back to all Def Tech in my HT and the F1's in my 2-channel setup (where they sound awesome. :D )

Question to you Athena B1.2 or b2.2 users with an Onkyo receiver.

How does it sound? Does it sound too bright? Since Athenas are bright, plus onkyo is said to be bright. thanks

I've got B2 bookshelves and a C1 center with a Onkyo 573 receiver. Sounds great to me, Onkyo not bright at all, definitely not as bright as the Yamaha 595a receiver it replaced. This system is mainly used for home theater, not music. But I have played a few CD's on that system and it sound fine.

I've got a HK 325 with Athena speakers in my bedroom and that setup is better than with the Onkyo. I also listen to a lot more music with the HK system.

I was just informed by OneCall that my Athena Pt5 system will be shipped today. $200 for a 5 speaker system is one heckuva deal. They may not equal Ascends, but the value seems unbeatable.

Question to you Athena B1.2 or b2.2 users with an Onkyo receiver.

How does it sound? Does it sound too bright? Since Athenas are bright, plus onkyo is said to be bright. thanks
My F1's sound much better with my Onkyo receiver than they do with my Yamaha receiver. The Onkyo is not bright at all, and the Yamaha is.

I was just informed by OneCall that my Athena Pt5 system will be shipped today. $200 for a 5 speaker system is one heckuva deal. They may not equal Ascends, but the value seems unbeatable.


I think you will be very happy. I know I love mine.

I can't wait to get mine setup in my house for the summer. Now if only I can make it through finals week...... :mad:

I don't know a lot about speakers and i am trying to put together a 6.1 surround system. I want it to be as cheap a possible.
The speakers i have been looking at are the Point5 System MK II and the Micra 6 (Black). What is the difference between those 2? Are there any other options i have for about the same price?

I don't know a lot about speakers and i am trying to put together a 6.1 surround system. I want it to be as cheap a possible.
The speakers i have been looking at are the Point5 System MK II and the Micra 6 (Black). What is the difference between those 2? Are there any other options i have for about the same price?


The Micras come with a sub, the point 5s do not. Adding a sub to the Point 5s will bring the price above the Micras, but, IMO, is a much better option. Both of these will only give you 5.1, not 6.1.

The Micras come with a sub, the point 5s do not. Adding a sub to the Point 5s will bring the price above the Micras, but, IMO, is a much better option. Both of these will only give you 5.1, not 6.1.
I am thinking of buying another satellite speaker.

I just got information on the Point 5 system directly from Athena (pasted below). Looks like the Point 5 system is no longer in production as of May 1st so if any of you are in the market for this you might want to pull the trigger while they can still be found. I just grabbed a set.

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I talked with our US sales force and as of May 1st, we are no longer producing/distributing the Athena Point 5 system in the US. Any deals you see from here on out are what is left of current dealer inventory. For a dealer in your area, please visit: http://www.athenaspeakers.com/wheretobuy.htm or one of our online retailers.

I hope this helps answer your question.

Thank you,
Brian
Brian Slowey | Brand Manager|
Athena Technologies | Spherex Inc.|

I don't know a lot about speakers and i am trying to put together a 6.1 surround system. I want it to be as cheap a possible.
The speakers i have been looking at are the Point5 System MK II and the Micra 6 (Black). What is the difference between those 2? Are there any other options i have for about the same price?

The micra is a 5.1 satelite speaker system that includes the sub in the package.

The Point5 System is 5.1 bookshelf speaker system that does not include the sub but the Athean AS-P4000 sub when purchased with this system will run approx $50-$75 more than the micras.

Although IMO both of these systems are the best by far in their cagagory, if you have room for bookshelf speakers the Point 5 systems small price difference is well worth it to get a better preforming system.

PS. If you choose the Point 5 system their is a few other subs in the same price range that would give you more choices, Dayton comes to mind. I've got the Point 5 system with the AS-P4000 and I'm very happy with it.

If your wanting to go 6.1, single speakers in both of these are also sold, you might have to do a little searching but they are out there in singles.

Thanks For The Info.

http://reviews.cnet.com/Pioneer_VSX_1015TX/4505-6466_7-31426274.html?tag=also

I got one more question!

Would the Pioneer be a good choice for the receiver or is there a better ones for the same money or less?

PS. The room it goes in is only 17' x 14'. Wold there be a big difference between the micra and the point 5?

IMO, Pioneer mates well with the athena. I've got a pioneer vsx-516 and it's a great combo. The only negitave I've heard when matching a receiver with Athena is some say Yamaha matched with Athena is a little to bright sounding, but then again some people love that, it's just a matter of taste.

Both systems should handle a 17x14 room. Yes their will be a difference in the sound no matter what room you put them in. The point 5s have larger drivers mounted in a larger enclosure. Better midrage and lows will be the most noticeable difference. If your on a strict budget with very limited speaker placement the micras would be the way to go. For a small price increase, overall better sound especially at higher volume levels go with the point 5's. Both systems can be wall mounted if that's part of your consideration.

Just got my athena point 5 system delivered today. I don't have all the speaker cable and other equipment required to mount them to the walls yet, but I placed the fronts on some glass shelves and hooked them up with my old monster cable to my sony de595 and am way more pleased with the sound than I thought I would be. Until now the best speakers I had were some focal/jmlabs I have in my car stereo. I have only listened to two channel audio from a roku via a digital connection (very high bitrate mp3s) and it sounds great!
So, onto some small questions: for the wall mounts, I don't know if a stud will work due to how wide the bracket is. How have other people mounted theirs? I saw mention of drywall anchors, should that work ok? What size anchors do I need? Also, has anyone found a suitable wall mount solution for the center channel I also posted a thread about placement but haven't received any replies (can't post url since I am a newbie, but it is in the speaker forum "Placement/mounting advice sought" if anyone wants to check it out).

IMO, Pioneer mates well with the athena. I've got a pioneer vsx-516 and it's a great combo. The only negitave I've heard when matching a receiver with Athena is some say Yamaha matched with Athena is a little to bright sounding, but then again some people love that, it's just a matter of taste.

Hi, newbie here.

What do you think about Panny Xr-55 with .5MK or Micra6? I have read many posts saying that Panny receiver has a bright sound and may not match well with Athena speakers.

I am planning to get .5MK and then wait for Panny XR-57. Is it a good idea? :cool:

Congrats on your .5s!

As far as mounting, I don't think you want to just use drywall anchors as these little suckers are heavy. I centered my mounts on studs and used 3" Drywall screws at an inside angle towards the stud. If you get the angle right, you will be able to hit the stud.

As far as mounting the center, everyone that puts them on the wall just use a shelf. There isn't any mounting hardware or screw holes on the back of this center.

I have my center and fronts sitting on my credenza and my rear surrounds are wall mounted.

Good luck and enjoy!

Just got my athena point 5 system delivered today. I don't have all the speaker cable and other equipment required to mount them to the walls yet, but I placed the fronts on some glass shelves and hooked them up with my old monster cable to my sony de595 and am way more pleased with the sound than I thought I would be. Until now the best speakers I had were some focal/jmlabs I have in my car stereo. I have only listened to two channel audio from a roku via a digital connection (very high bitrate mp3s) and it sounds great!
So, onto some small questions: for the wall mounts, I don't know if a stud will work due to how wide the bracket is. How have other people mounted theirs? I saw mention of drywall anchors, should that work ok? What size anchors do I need? Also, has anyone found a suitable wall mount solution for the center channel I also posted a thread about placement but haven't received any replies (can't post url since I am a newbie, but it is in the speaker forum "Placement/mounting advice sought" if anyone wants to check it out).

Anybody see any problems with using a Yamaha HTR-5960 to drive a F2.2/C1.2/IC8 setup?

I was going to go with a Denon AVR-2807, but if I go with the step-down Yamaha I can move up from an SVS PB10 sub to a PB12NSD.

All comments appreciated.

Thanks for the reply, I am now a bit concerned about mounting. Has anyone just used drywall anchors for point5s? It looks like this is what is shown in the manual. Having to angle screws into the studs worries me a bit and sounds less flexible in terms of placement.

Ok silly queston. I ordered a C5 about 2 months ago. It came with rubber feet you can stick on the botton if you wish. Today I receivd the complete Point 5 system and it didn't have them. Seems strange they would be included with the C5 single and not the complete set that includes the C5. This really doesn't matter I can get them anywhere. Just asking out of curiousity. Thanks

Thanks for the reply, I am now a bit concerned about mounting. Has anyone just used drywall anchors for point5s? It looks like this is what is shown in the manual. Having to angle screws into the studs worries me a bit and sounds less flexible in terms of placement.

I mounted both of my point 5s using drywall anchors. Been up several months so far with no problems.

Ok silly queston. I ordered a C5 about 2 months ago. It came with rubber feet you can stick on the botton if you wish. Today I receivd the complete Point 5 system and it didn't have them. Seems strange they would be included with the C5 single and not the complete set that includes the C5. This really doesn't matter I can get them anywhere. Just asking out of curiousity. Thanks


I did not get them with mine.

A Question for owners of Athena subs (I own the P4000):

When auto-calibrating my receiver, the manual recommended that I "Set the volume to halfway and set the crossover frequency to the maximum or Low pass filter off.."

I took this to mean that I jack the crossover on my sub all the way up, which I did during auto-calibration. However, I use F2s as my mains and the marking on this sub for F2s is all way down at the other end of the dial.

The AVR's recommendation and Athena's recommendation seem to contradict each other drastically. Where should I set this crossover at on the sub?

Can I also assume that this entire situation only comes into play if the mains are set to "Small" (which they are)?

A Question for owners of Athena subs (I own the P4000):

When auto-calibrating my receiver, the manual recommended that I "Set the volume to halfway and set the crossover frequency to the maximum or Low pass filter off.."

I took this to mean that I jack the crossover on my sub all the way up, which I did during auto-calibration. However, I use F2s as my mains and the marking on this sub for F2s is all way down at the other end of the dial.

The AVR's recommendation and Athena's recommendation seem to contradict each other drastically. Where should I set this crossover at on the sub?

Can I also assume that this entire situation only comes into play if the mains are set to "Small" (which they are)?

The reason the Athena manual says to set your P4000 crossover to max is because you have a crossover in your receiver and you don't want both of them "working" at the same time. You are essentially trying to bypass the crossover in the sub. The older Athena subs had a separate input to bypass the crossover but the newer ones do not. I have F2s as fronts and my receiver crossover at 80hz.

I just ordered the athena point 5 from onecall.com and i also downloaded the owner manual and it states that i should set the receiver to large speakers. Is it okay to se the receiver to large speakers or should i set it to small?

I just ordered the athena point 5 from onecall.com and i also downloaded the owner manual and it states that i should set the receiver to large speakers. Is it okay to se the receiver to large speakers or should i set it to small?

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I just ordered the athena point 5 from onecall.com and i also downloaded the owner manual and it states that i should set the receiver to large speakers. Is it okay to se the receiver to large speakers or should i set it to small?


The frequency response for those speakers does not go very low. Set all speakers to small and let your sub take care of the low frequencies. You can try starting with a crossover of 80hz but my guess is 100hz or 120hz will be best.

The reason the Athena manual says to set your P4000 crossover to max...

I wasn't very clear, and perhaps it doensn't matter, but it was my AVR's manual that made that recommendation.

Is the general consensus that I should set the sub's crossover to the max, as opposed to the "F2" setting at the other end of the dial?

I wasn't very clear, and perhaps it doensn't matter, but it was my AVR's manual that made that recommendation.

Is the general consensus that I should set the sub's crossover to the max, as opposed to the "F2" setting at the other end of the dial?

Do you have a 2 channel setup w/sub or is it 5.1 or more. If 5.1 or more, what is the Freq response of the other speakers?

Do you have a 2 channel setup w/sub or is it 5.1 or more. If 5.1 or more, what is the Freq response of the other speakers?

It's a 7.1 setup..

F2.2's as Mains, down to 35Hz
B1.2's as Surrounds and Back Surrounds, down to 60Hz
C1.2 as Center, down to 60Hz

It's a 7.1 setup..

F2.2's as Mains, down to 35Hz
B1.2's as Surrounds and Back Surrounds, down to 60Hz
C1.2 as Center, down to 60Hz

If your receiver crossover is set to match the F2 position as shown on the sub (about 40hz), your sub will only play frequencies up to that point (but keeping in mind it is a slope and frequencies above it will be played just at a lower level). Not a problem for your fronts but using this crossover for the center and surround means any re-directed bass (since they are set to small) from those speakers in the 40-60hz range is lost and not heard. Those speakers need a crossover of 80hz or more. A good rule of thumb is to set the crossover 1/2 to 1 full octave above the low end response of the speaker. Unless you can set separate crossovers for each of your speakers in your receiver I recommend you set it to 80hz. Think of it this way, what speaker do you think will play a 60hz tone better, your surrounds or the sub?....your sub, so let it do it. The sub will play it better than the F2s as well. I have nearly the identical set-up as you and run an 80hz crossover. And even though the F2s are rated down to 35hz, your in room response is probably much different. Running frequency sweeps in my room my F2s are rolling off around 50hz and my center by 80hz.

Unless you can set separate crossovers for each of your speakers in your receiver I recommend you set it to 80hz.


I can.. but at the moment, every channel is simply set to 80Hz.

Should I then just let the amp do all the work and turn the sub's crossover dial to the max?

I can.. but at the moment, every channel is simply set to 80Hz.

Should I then just let the amp do all the work and turn the sub's crossover dial to the max?


Yes, sub crossover to max to essentially take it out of the processing since you are using the receiver crossover. Since you can set individual crossovers you can try setting your fronts to 60hz and see if that sounds better to you. Leave the others at 80hz.

Some other reading for you...

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/loudspeakers/bassmanagementbasics.php

I'm about to set up my first system, I got the point 5 mkII and a p4000. I haven't gotten the receiver yet, but that dosn't deal with my question. How I'm going to have it set up, 2 of the seating positions on the left will be right next to the left surround speaker and 2 of the seats on the right will be next to the right surround speaker. My hearing level is around 35", the fronts are going to be placed at around 56" and the backs are going to have to be mounted to the ceiliengs at 96". I was wondering if anyone who is sitting on the far left edge or the far right edge would have a bad experience since they would be so close to one of the back speakers that it's sound would be too loud compared to the others. Can anyone with a system similiar to this one tell me how it is when sitting to either the far right or far left?

well, for the surrounds, you can calibrate it to be at the same volume as the front from where you are sitting..

well, for the surrounds, you can calibrate it to be at the same volume as the front from where you are sitting..
I'm still trying to learn everything, but what of I did it like this.

See it's not really the fronts im worried about, it's the backs. I'm worried that the person sitting on the far left will hear too much out of the back left speaker and not enough out of the back right speaker and it's the same for the person sitting on the right side put flipped around. I can't make one surround louder, because then noone could sit on that side. I've never had a surround sound system and I don't know if I could be over exaggerating all of this. Say I have it calibrated from the center position, then would it be that much worse to be sitting on the far left or right ends? I'm hoping that it would still be good, just not as great as the center position. I'm hoping that it's not so bad that the person who's sitting on the left or right edge would rather have the surround sound turned off.

Most, not all but most audio singlals are sent to the left and or right surround speaker at different levels or even one and not the other. A person sitting closer to the left surround will also hear the right because usually differnt sounds or levels of sound are coming from it and vice versa. Rarely will the same sound be sent to both surrounds at the same level, explosions and things like that maybe but that wouldn't be noticeable.

Set your speakers up to the most common, usually centered level that you view from. after it's set up if their is an occation where you want to increase or decrease a certain speaker level your remote shoud provide easy access to do this. Everything should work out fine. Enjoy your system. I just got the Point 5s with the AS-P4000 sub and a receiver set up a few weeks ago and I throughly enjoy it. Good Luck

Well my wife vetoed the rear speakers for our living room in the new house.

Does anyone have any experience with using an AS-B2.2 as the center channel? I ask b/c now I've got two AS-B2.2s just sitting here not getting any use. I've always found the AS-C1 very underwhelming compared to my AS-F2.2s. Would using the AS-B2.2 actually be better?

Also, when using AS-F2.2 at the front, AS-C1 in the center, a AS-P300 (which i NEED to replace) as the sub, and a Denon AVR-2105 reciever...I have a couple of questions I've never really asked.

What would be a good crossover setting to use? I've been at 80Hz just b/c that was the default. I set this on my reciever and then plug into the Sub Input on my P-300. Should I be going into the Direct Input instead? And if I'm setting the crossover on my reciever, I'm assuming that just cranking the Sub crossover to 120Hz has no effect, right? What would you recommend I do about the LFE setting on my Denon? Should I run it to the AS-F2.2 AND the P300? Or should I just set the LFE below 80 to go to my sub only? It seems like the AS-F2.2's should wail on the P300, so setting it to "LFE+MAIN" would be the best bet...but I'm no expert.

80hz is fine.... maybe a tiny bit lower for the fronts since those babies are F2.2's

Also, when using AS-F2.2 at the front, AS-C1 in the center, a AS-P300 (which i NEED to replace) as the sub, and a Denon AVR-2105 reciever...I have a couple of questions I've never really asked.

What would be a good crossover setting to use? I've been at 80Hz just b/c that was the default. I set this on my reciever and then plug into the Sub Input on my P-300. Should I be going into the Direct Input instead? And if I'm setting the crossover on my reciever, I'm assuming that just cranking the Sub crossover to 120Hz has no effect, right? What would you recommend I do about the LFE setting on my Denon? Should I run it to the AS-F2.2 AND the P300? Or should I just set the LFE below 80 to go to my sub only? It seems like the AS-F2.2's should wail on the P300, so setting it to "LFE+MAIN" would be the best bet...but I'm no expert.

I would stick with the 80hz xover.
Plug your sub cable into the direct input. This bypasses the sub crossover and volume dial since you are using your receiver to take care of this.
Leave the LFE for the sub only. You don't want to be sending 20hz signals to the AS-F2's.
The P300 may not be the greatest but I bet the bass is still much better than the ASF2's since it has a bigger drive and more power. So don't use the LFE+main setting. This setting actually gives you twice the bass.

The P300 may not be the greatest but I bet the bass is still much better than the ASF2's since it has a bigger drive and more power.
The P300 has a single 8" driver. The F2's have two 8" drivers each. :rolleyes: (You may right about it having more power, depending on what is driving the F2's.)

Thanks for the input guys...I'm actually trying to keep it all in this thread, and I posted a new question there - wanna help? :) http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=678068

Greetings,

Instead of purchasing a C1, I bought a pair of B1s to match my front main B1s. I experimented with using one vs. two B1s, portrait vs. landscape, T-M vs. M-T, below vs. above vs. both sides vs. both above and below my 27" TV. The greatest difference that my old ears could hear was in the higher freqs. These are the setups that pleased my ears the most:

Best: One B1 placed upside down (portrait, M-T) on top of the TV. No WAF, yet (moving the speaker behind the TV on a stand or shelf or wall mount might gain WAF).

Better: Two B1s placed end to end with their midranges next to each other (landscape, T-M-M-T). I wired these in series since my amp cannot handle 4 ohms. Not much WAF either.

Good: Two B1s placed one on each side of the TV (portrait, T-M), wired in series. This has WAF.

Hope this helps someone or at least encourages some further experimentation towards finding the ultimate location(s) for B1s as center channel speakers.

Sincerely,
Leo W

Audio is my hobby, and I love to experiment. This morning, I hooked up a system consisting of a pair of WS-15's and an AS-P400 sub in my stereo. I will listen to it tonight and report back. It would surprise me a lot if it can displace my reference Def Techs, but it seems likely that it will sound very good. The tiny cabinets will enhance imaging and eliminate resonance and diffraction. The only potential issue is integration with the sub (which I have placed dead center to eliminate issues with directional bass.)