Only the H20-600 has the fifth generation OTA chip. The H20-100 does not.
Interesting...I was told it did by someone inside at D*. Don't know either way, but that would certainly explain why some folks have seen less signal strength in their OTA with the H20-100 model. Thanks for your info....I may do some more digging on this.

techo: I have been traveling this summer; back now. Sorry, you are having some problems with your set up. I have a 600 and a 100 model and, so far, very few problems. Actually, the only 'problems' has been with the model 600 being somewhat 'slow'. The model 100 is 'faster', of course. If you can keep air flowing around the model 600, it is a very good tuner. I am in center of 3 major markets and get reception (from networks) from 30 miles to upwards of 55 miles. For the most part, I just keep the antenna pointed to the stations that are about 30 miles distant. I have not went for 5lnb dish as yet as there has been no real reason. One day I will probably go with their 'newest' dish to receive all sats. For now, everything is fine with MPEG2 system.

techo: I have been traveling this summer; back now. Sorry, you are having some problems with your set up. I have a 600 and a 100 model and, so far, very few problems. Actually, the only 'problems' has been with the model 600 being somewhat 'slow'. The model 100 is 'faster', of course. If you can keep air flowing around the model 600, it is a very good tuner. I am in center of 3 major markets and get reception (from networks) from 30 miles to upwards of 55 miles. For the most part, I just keep the antenna pointed to the stations that are about 30 miles distant. I have not went for 5lnb dish as yet as there has been no real reason. One day I will probably go with their 'newest' dish to receive all sats. For now, everything is fine with MPEG2 system.Thanks Richard,

I should just stop my complaining, bite the bullet and contact cust. retention and get another replacement receiver and see if that helps. Then, maybe get a tech out to check the aiming of the 5LNB AT9 dish... My signal numbers are slightly on the low side of good. And, I can't even complain about the lousy OTA because the trees blocking the way to the transmitters are most likely to blame for that --- and that isdefinitely NOT D*'s fault. I'm almost desperate enough to erect a 100' tower to mount an antenna on. Maybe after I swap out the receiver a few times and the techs scratch their heads I'll go that route. :)

I see the problems primarily on the locals via Mpeg-4...

I really dread having a tech come out. Ergo, my nickname of "TechoFobe". :D

Who's paranoid? Me? ;)

Interesting...I was told it [the H20-100] did by someone inside at D*. Don't know either way, but that would certainly explain why some folks have seen less signal strength in their OTA with the H20-100 model.The -100, is made by RCA, and doesn't have the LG "5th gen" chipset. It has a Broadcomm chip. The -100s and -600s I've had both read the same signal strength on OTA. But one station refuses to come in at all with the -100 that the -600 could easily pick up. Come to find out, the problem was co-channel interference from a nearby LPTV analog station on the same channel (18). It blocked my reception of the distant full power digital channel on the -100, but the -600 would ignore the analog interference and happily tune in the interference-ridden channel.

I and others in my area filed interference complaints with the FCC, and forced the LPTV station to move to a new channel. They will be moving in the next few weeks and then my -100 will work better than my -600s ever did. Faster, and without the HEAT problems. And no crashing on bad PSIP.

I saw that my h20-100 recieved a software update on 7/26. Was wondering if anyone knew what was fixed/updated in this update?

I just had a new H20 and 5 LNB dish installed a few days ago and now there's no signal at all from the unit. I have 3 other D* receivers, all of them MPEG2, and they work fine so I assume the new H20 has fried. :(

I saw that my h20-100 recieved a software update on 7/26. Was wondering if anyone knew what was fixed/updated in this update?I read on another forum that the two recent updates for the H20-100 were not intended to fix anything. They were intended to prepare the STB for some sort of "future" services (possibly interactive?).

I just had a new H20 and 5 LNB dish installed a few days ago and now there's no signal at all from the unit. I have 3 other D* receivers, all of them MPEG2, and they work fine so I assume the new H20 has fried. :(To rule out a cabling issue, connect one of your mpeg2 receivers to the cables that were connected to the H20. If it works OK, call DirecTV and tell them what you have done, and request a replacement receiver. They will either FedEx you a new one or re-schedule a tech visit.

If the box-swap didn't fix the problem, you have a coax or dish problem.

If the box-swap didn't fix the problem, you have a coax or dish problem.
And don't forget or underestimate the coax connectors, notorious for outages from simple damaged, worn, or weathered condition.

By "coax", I meant the coax, connectors, multiswitches, etc.

I just had a new H20 and 5 LNB dish installed a few days ago and now there's no signal at all from the unit. I have 3 other D* receivers, all of them MPEG2, and they work fine so I assume the new H20 has fried. :(

Before you go through the hassle, try unplugging the Coax from the back, unplugging the power supply, wait at least 30 seconds, plug the Coax back in, then the power and start up. Worked for me once. No prob since....

To rule out a cabling issue, connect one of your mpeg2 receivers to the cables that were connected to the H20. If it works OK, call DirecTV and tell them what you have done, and request a replacement receiver. They will either FedEx you a new one or re-schedule a tech visit.

If the box-swap didn't fix the problem, you have a coax or dish problem.

Yes thanks, I did that. :)

D* was going to send out a tech and I would have had to wait another week for them to come out at the earliest. After a LONG session of trouble shooting with a supervisor over the phone (I also had an OTA antenna hooked up to the H20 and could not get any local signal either), it was determined that the H20 needs to be replaced.


Hope to get the new H20 before the weekend is over, if not it should still be quicker than the week it would have taken for an appointment.

Does the H20 have the 'picture in picture' feature.

No. It is a single tuner receiver.

No. It is a single tuner receiver.
Actually its a dual tuner (OTA & Primarily).

Only one can be presented as output at any given time though.... ;)

I just got my replacement H20-100 last night. Now the HDMI signal to my new 1080p Samsung LCD continuously blacks in and out. The good thing is the component cables connection works fine, but HDMI as the better signal would be nice to have.

I just got my replacement H20-100 last night. Now the HDMI signal to my new 1080p Samsung LCD continuously blacks in and out. The good thing is the component cables connection works fine, but HDMI as the better signal would be nice to have.

Don't settle for that. Make them send you another one until you get one with a working HDMI. You shouldn't have to settle for anything less.

Actually its a dual tuner (OTA & Primarily).

Only one can be presented as output at any given time though.... ;)

It is considered a single tuner, since it can only tune one channel at a time. The channel can be OTA or D*.

[WTH is a "Primarily' tuner?]

I just realized I lost some significant functionality by switching to the H20 from my Samsung box. Since D* in their infinite wisdom chose not to include any input jacks to the H20, I can no longer feed my DVD through it to take advantage of it's scalar capability to upscale it to 1080I like I did with my Samsung. I think I have no choice then to relegate the H20 to another room and put back the Samsung box back in my Home Theater! Hopefully D* will include inputs in it's future receivers like the upcoming H20-250 DVR? I'm not losing much right now since I pick up all my locals OTA.

It is considered a single tuner, since it can only tune one channel at a time. The channel can be OTA or D*.

[WTH is a "Primarily' tuner?]
Point is...it has 2 tuners, not one. Says so in the manual, sir.

How they can be used is a separate issue. :eek:

The question was can it do PIP, and the answer is no.

Point is...it has 2 tuners, not one. Says so in the manual, sir.

How they can be used is a separate issue. :eek:

The question was can it do PIP, and the answer is no.

Cant do PIP...that freakin sucks. Now I cant convince my dad for me to get an HD receiver with our HDTV. (he doesnt care for HD quality). We've been using and old SD hughes box for years.

Do you guys know if the current Directv SD receivers can do that (D11 or R15)?

Cant do PIP...that freakin sucks. Now I cant convince my dad for me to get an HD receiver with our HDTV. (he doesnt care for HD quality). We've been using and old SD hughes box for years. Do you guys know if the current Directv SD receivers can do that (D11 or R15)?HiredGun,

You either need to get a new TV that can do PIP or trade your father in for a newer model. :)

For example, my Panasonic plasma screen monitor accepts two signals and can display them in a PIP format. I really don't give a hoot about PIP though. To me it seems like a shame to spoil a great picture by overlaying a small picture over it. So, what you need to do is convince your dad that PIP sucks...

The way I figure it, if you want to watch two (or more) different programs simultaneously you should buy two (or more) monitors like Elvis did. :D

And, anyone who "doesn't care for HD quality" has other issues... I mean, what's there not to like? It looks absolutely fabulous!

HiredGun,

You either need to get a new TV that can do PIP or trade your father in for a newer model. :)

For example, my Panasonic plasma screen monitor accepts two signals and can display them in a PIP format. I really don't give a hoot about PIP though. To me it seems like a shame to spoil a great picture by overlaying a small picture over it. So, what you need to do is convince your dad that PIP sucks...

The way I figure it, if you want to watch two (or more) different programs simultaneously you should buy two (or more) monitors like Elvis did. :D

And, anyone who "doesn't care for HD quality" has other issues... I mean, what's there not to like? It looks absolutely fabulous!
LOL :D

This is one of your best posts. Agree with your whole disertation. :cool:

But to the original question - to get PIP you have to have inputs from 2 simultaneous sources. While the H20 has 2 tuners (one OTA and one for Sat sourced HD), it doesn't support concurrent outputs. With HD, that gets a bit trickier anyway. I'm not sure (yet) if the new D* HD DVR will have concurrent HD outputs to support PIP, but the new HD media center (2007?) surely will. There will be a way to skin that cat, but I'm with you...is it really worth it? :rolleyes:

...The way I figure it, if you want to watch two (or more) different programs simultaneously you should buy two (or more) monitors like Elvis did. :D

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I'm getting the H20, the Directv guy came to install it, and told me the shabby piece of 1X6 hanging off my apartment wouldn't support it. He also told me there were 3 mounting arms coming up to the dish itself off the wall.(?) The building manager won't allow me to mount it to the roof, so I have to reinforce the lip off the roof. Not a problem cause I have friends in construction. My problem is how much supported surface area do I need? I mean I can't redo the whole side of the building, and all my research shows there are not 3 mounting brackets with 3 arms. Can some one help me clear this up. I will be getting the 5 LNB Dish.
TIA
dobbler

Welcome to the forum, dobbler44. You can jump right into a discussion of the 5LNB dish over at this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=690198&page=10&pp=20).

Thanks :D Sorry for posting in the wromg thread :(
dobbler

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no problem dobbler44. good luck with your 5LNB dish.

I had to call D*TV Tech Support today because I had lost the signal on one of the lines coming into my older DVR ... basically we traced it down to a bad cable which a tech is coming out on Friday to repair:
(I'm in a 4 story apartment and really can't do that one myself)
anyhoo...
I also asked that they run a second line to where my H20 is located in anticipation of a new HD DVR (at some point)...

I just received an email update per this:

Your Update on the New DIRECTV HD DVR

Thanks for asking about our forthcoming HD DVR.

Courtesy of your DIRECTV Customer Service Representative, you're now on our list for regular email updates about this product.
We plan to send monthly updates over the next few months, until the product becomes available.
At that point, we'll tell you how to order one.

Here's some basic information about the receiver:
Model number: HR20

Overview: Brings together features of the DIRECTV Plus DVR and DIRECTV HD Receiver.
It receives HD local channels via satellite (where available), all the other great DIRECTV channels and has our latest DVR and interactive capabilities.

Recording time: More than 30 hours of HD programming delivered in MPEG-2, up to 50 hours of HD programming delivered in MPEG-4, or up to 200 hours of standard-definition programming.

Expected Availability: Fall 2006
Like you, we're really excited about releasing this new product.
Thanks for your interest, and we'll keep you posted!

You must've spoken with the wrong customer retention person? Call back (and keep calling back) until you get a good (helpful) one. Luckily, the first call was the charm for me. The "fact" is that you need a replacement receiver. Don't settle for anything else. Refuse to accept the old "song & dance" routine. Anyone that has a defective receiver needs to have it replaced. End of song. And end of dance...

As far as "owning vs leasing" --- who cares? Either way it's broke. When D* replaced my defective, but "owned" --- H20-600 receiver, my status was changed to "leased". I couldn't have cared less. The good news was that I got lucky and they shipped me a H20-100 that works better than the H20-600. I also wouldn't care what model they sent me --- just so long as it isn't defective. Plus, I'm probably saving a king's ransom in electricity on air conditioning... That H20-600 was a hot sucker! :)

Remember: "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." Squeak up...

Thanks for the help. D* finally replaced my H20-600. They ended up sending me the H20-100 (RCA i think vs LG.) So far so good. Thanks for the help..

... D* finally replaced my H20-600. They ended up sending me the H20-100 (RCA i think vs LG.)...
Yes, D* receiver models ending in -100 are made by Thomson/RCA. They have made more D* receivers than any other company, and most of them have been reliable.

steve1a,

The hr20 dvr will be available starting in mid august, and a discussion of it is over in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=704067).

This thread is about the H20 receiver, which is not a DVR.

I have a H20-600 and the picture goes black....blank for a second real often. Very annoying. Seems like your problem. My HDMI connection is crapy too. Have new LG
HD tv. Picture has foggy noisy looking picture. My componenet connection is very good.
Is this a receiver problem too? Using monster HDMI cable.
Thanks for any help.

W.C.

Well my 3rd H20 died today. I've had it, called D* and its going back with out a replacement. I don't want a H20-100 or a 600 in my house. Activated another one of my old HD200 Sonys and ever thing is ok now.

I tried a search in this humungous thread and I'm sure this has already been mentioned but I can't find what I was looking for specifically.

I just had my H20 replacement delivered the other day (the brand new H20 died out after 3 days) and I went through the setup myself (the D* tech/installer setup my first H20).

I want to make sure D* is not giving me false info and that everything is working properly on my new H20: On the LNB test page, the 99º satellite failed. I was told by D* that this is normal and I'm not supposed to be getting any signal from this satellite because it's spot beamed.

This sounds like it makes sense but I just want to be sure that there is no problem. I live in southeast Michigan btw.

Also, is channel 96 the only additional channel available right now, other than OTA locals? I already get OTA locals with an antenna.

Thanks

If you're not setup to get your local HD channels from D*, you should not be getting anything on 99° or 103° sats.

What is ch 96?

If you're not setup to get your local HD channels from D*, you should not be getting anything on 99° or 103° sats.

What is ch 96?

I thought one of the main reasons to get a 5LNB dish and the H20 was to get setup for HD locals. If the 103° sat is for HD locals then that's fine, the 99° sat is the one I can't get. I am supposedly setup to get all HD programming available. I just want make sure the 99° sat failed test is normal for my area.

Channel 96 is the spot beamed FSN HD channel(s). For my area it is FSN HD Detroit.

If you're not setup to get your local HD channels from D*, you should not be getting anything on 99° or 103° sats.

What is ch 96?


I get my locals and I no longer get signal on 99(10/11), I used to but no more. 103(15) is all NA, 103(14) - transponder 1=14, 2=0, 3=77, 4=0, 5=36 & 6=0. The rest are all NA.

I thought one of the main reasons to get a 5LNB dish and the H20 was to get setup for HD locals. If the 103° sat is for HD locals then that's fine, the 99° sat is the one I can't get. I am supposedly setup to get all HD programming available. I just want make sure the 99° sat failed test is normal for my area.

I'm sorry, but from your post I had no idea if you had the 5LNB dish or not (many people do not). If you're getting your HD locals via D* OK, then all is well. They may be on 99 or 103, depending on where you are. And they have been known to move them from one spot beam to another.

I came home yesterday and must had lost power. MY H10 Tivo unit would only bring up the Welcome Power Up screen and nothing else. I called DIRECTV and after trying several resets was told that they would have to send a new unit. However, I was told that they could send me a rebuilt Tivo unit or I could get a new non-TIVO DVR that DIRECTV is going to and that they were phasing out TIVO in favor of this newer technology. I assume this is true and that their new HD-DVR will not be TIVO but of this same technology.

I decided to go with the newer technology, especially since I will be upgrading to HD-DVR this fall. Any comments? Should I have stayed with a rebuilt TIVO unit?

Yesterday here in N.Y. directv had two feeds running of the yankees game (ch 95 and 96) as well as a single feed of the Mets. I switched between the two yankee feeds and noticed that when there was movement (pitcher winding up, etc) the motion was almost like a few frames were missing like watching an old movie.On CH 95 the picture was perfect without this problem. The met game was experiencing the same artifacts. Is this mpeg 4 (96) vs mpeg 2(ch 95) growing pains?

I came home yesterday and must had lost power. MY H10 Tivo unit would only bring up the Welcome Power Up screen and nothing else. I called DIRECTV and after trying several resets was told that they would have to send a new unit. However, I was told that they could send me a rebuilt Tivo unit or I could get a new non-TIVO DVR that DIRECTV is going to and that they were phasing out TIVO in favor of this newer technology. I assume this is true and that their new HD-DVR will not be TIVO but of this same technology.

I decided to go with the newer technology, especially since I will be upgrading to HD-DVR this fall. Any comments? Should I have stayed with a rebuilt TIVO unit?

Please post your question in the correct thread. This thread is about the DirecTV H20 HD receiver. It is not a DVR, nor a Tivo.

... the motion was almost like a few frames were missing like watching an old movie.On CH 95 the picture was perfect without this problem. The met game was experiencing the same artifacts. Is this mpeg 4 (96) vs mpeg 2(ch 95) growing pains?
Probably. Or it could be a problem with the source feed.

The jittery motion happens on all the MPEG4 stations. Ive compared ABC OTA and MPEG4 and the OTA does not have the jitter. Its an MPEG4 issue and its really distracting to the eye.

http://forums.directv.com/pe/action/forums/displaysinglethread?rootPostID=10151145&returnExpertiseCode=

guys I've got a question, do the standard video outputs (RCA & S-Video) on the H20 output a true 16:9 signal if you're watching an HD program? I realize it'd be a 480i 16:9 image, but can it do that or does it automatically "letterbox" it?

The jittery motion happens on all the MPEG4 stations. Ive compared ABC OTA and MPEG4 and the OTA does not have the jitter. Its an MPEG4 issue and its really distracting to the eye.

http://forums.directv.com/pe/action/forums/displaysinglethread?rootPostID=10151145&returnExpertiseCode=


This is most likely due to the lowest in the industry bitrate provided by D*. Take an mpeg on your computer, and lower the bitrate. Is this is the same type of behavior you are seeing? Please email and call their customer support. Specifically mention Dish and Cable have higher bitrates. Ask why the bitrate for MPEG4 channels was cut in half when the MPEG2 channels picture quality was already poor.

I've got two new H20 receivers and I'm noticing the jittery motion artifacts, too!
It seems that they appear only on the 1080i HD MPEG4 channels. For me that is CBS (WBTV, Channel 3, Charlotte, NC), and NBC (WCNC, Channel 36, Charlotte, NC). The other two networks, WSOC-ABC and WCCB-FOX both broadcast in 720p. I don't seem to notice the jittery motion on them. Has anyone else noticed this?
Maybe the issue is just the 1080i channels via D*.

That is a well know issue herrfish1. Please call D* and complain. They dont seem to care at this point.

I just got a H20 and everytime I change a channel (using the up/down arrows) the screen flashes 3 times very slowly. This totally distracts my attention and gives me a headache, None of the other receivers do this. Do I have a lemon or do other people have the same experience?
So far my impression of the H20 is that it is a huge step backwards and I am very close to chucking it and doing without HD.

I just got a H20 and everytime I change a channel (using the up/down arrows) the screen flashes 3 times very slowly. This totally distracts my attention and gives me a headache, None of the other receivers do this. Do I have a lemon or do other people have the same experience?
So far my impression of the H20 is that it is a huge step backwards and I am very close to chucking it and doing without HD.

IMO I think all of the H20's are lemon's! Some are just not as lemony as others.

Make sure you have the output set to match your tv (720p or 1080i). Do not check all the output boxes and don't use "Native" mode.

I did finally get around to calling D* to complain about the jittery Mpeg4 signals. The rep on the phone said she'd never heard of this issue and she couldn't find anything in their list of tech issues close to it. I'm sure I'm not the first, but it sure would have made me feel better if she told me that it was a "known issue that they are working on" like the lip synch issue.

Oh well....I'm back to watching the OTA local channels and pretending there isn't a real problem. It's not burying my head in the sand if I told them about it.


Snewo

Make sure you have the output set to match your tv (720p or 1080i). Do not check all the output boxes and don't use "Native" mode.

Both my Sony's have DVI and component. I bought the HDMI to DVI monster cable and was experiencing the same flashes. Once I shut "native" off I dont get the flashes! Thank you!!

Thanks to all that responded. I did turn off 'native' and I still get the flashing problem. I guess I can experiment with different cables.

I have a kds-r60xbr-1 and a H20. I am new to all of this so I still have a lot of learning to do about all of the possible adjustments. So far the flashing when channel changing is my number one problem.

Installer here now installing H20 and 5LNB! Can two 6x8 Zinwell's be cascaded? Otherwise, I have to give up one of my existing 2-tuner lines in one of my TiVo's. (Currently 4 2-tuner TiVo's in the house. The H20 is the 5th box.)

Or how about this... Cascade a 3x4 Mpeg4 switch from the 6x8 Mpeg4 switch for a total of 10 outputs. Thoughts?

Thanks to all that responded. I did turn off 'native' and I still get the flashing problem.
Did you turn off 480i, 480p and 720p?

When you enter the zip code for your market in Setup does DirecTV setup merely add all of the channels you COULD get or is it allegedly showing all of the channels my antenna IS getting?

I ask because there's a bunch of channels like 4-1, etc that are listed in the Guide but I'm not receiving them. I get the "Searching for Signal" message or something similar. They're all duplicates of other channels (X, X-1 or X-2) so I'm guessing D* just tosses them all in and leaves it to me to fiddle with the antenna.

Thanks!

Installer here now installing H20 and 5LNB! Can two 6x8 Zinwell's be cascaded? Otherwise, I have to give up one of my existing 2-tuner lines in one of my TiVo's. (Currently 4 2-tuner TiVo's in the house. The H20 is the 5th box.)

Or how about this... Cascade a 3x4 Mpeg4 switch from the 6x8 Mpeg4 switch for a total of 10 outputs. Thoughts?

At this point I believe you will be loosing one of your 8 Tivo connections.


I did finally get around to calling D* to complain about the jittery Mpeg4 signals. The rep on the phone said she'd never heard of this issue and she couldn't find anything in their list of tech issues close to it. I'm sure I'm not the first, but it sure would have made me feel better if she told me that it was a "known issue that they are working on" like the lip synch issue.

Oh well....I'm back to watching the OTA local channels and pretending there isn't a real problem. It's not burying my head in the sand if I told them about it.



S.O.P. for D* and E* for problems that cannot be fixed quickly is to say they never have heard of it from anyone else and you are the only one who is having the issue.

After much contemplation I decided to modify my "owned" receiver to improve the cooling. I had measured the hottest temperature at 115 deg. F on my digital probe type pyrometer in a couple of different spots on the top towards the back around the vent slots.

The pictures show the mods. the fan is a Silverstone FN 81. It's super quiet. Here are the specs;

DIMENSION 80 x 80 x 25mm

ITEMS STANDARD
REMARKS
RATED VOLTAGE 12V DC
START VOLTAGE 5V DC POWER ON / OF
OPERATING RANGE 7V~13.2V DC
CONSUMING CURRENT 0.09 Amp
(MAX 0.10Amp)
IN FREE AUR AT RATED VOLTAGE
CONSUMING POWER 1.08 Amp
(MAX 1.20W)
IN FREE AUR AT RATED VOLTAGE
RATED SPEED 2050 rpm +_ 10% rpm
IN FREE AUR AT RATED VOLTAGE
AIRFLOW 25.46 CFM
AT RATED VOLTAGE
0.72m3 / MIN AT ZERO STATIC PRESSURE
STATIC PRESSURE 1.64mmH2O AT RATED VOLTAGE AT ZERO AIRFLOW
SOUND LEVEL 23.5 dB(A) IN FREE AUR AT RATED VOLTAGE

The fan is set to the front of the two large aluminum heat sinks to draw air through the fins and out the top.


additional acessories are a Link Depot 3 pin fan power cable, Vantec vibration dampener, and 2 JT&T 22-18AWG mid tap connectors.

It is powered by the neg 7VA (black wire) and the white ground next to it on the power supply. The yellow wire is capped off with heat shrink and is not used.

I also removed the rubber pads on the bottom and replaced them with four round adhesive backed rubber bumpers which raises the unit up about a 1/2"

The Temp is now 87 to 90 deg. F max, barely warm to the touch. It is a major difference. I have almost no electronic experience so anyone with some patience and care can do it. Hopefully this will add some life to it as I don't want to worry about it failing any more. It's been kind of fun with good results and it's all available at Fry's for about $20

Tomcat

Installer here now installing H20 and 5LNB! Can two 6x8 Zinwell's be cascaded? Otherwise, I have to give up one of my existing 2-tuner lines in one of my TiVo's. (Currently 4 2-tuner TiVo's in the house. The H20 is the 5th box.)

Or how about this... Cascade a 3x4 Mpeg4 switch from the 6x8 Mpeg4 switch for a total of 10 outputs. Thoughts?


The Zinwell WB68 can't be cascaded but can be used with 4 power passing (both legs) satellite compatible splitters to feed the two multiswitches from the AT-9 dish. Make sure the same splitter feeds the same input on each multiswitch. Gives you 16 outlets. Saw something recently on a 16 port multiswitch but don't know if D* is supplying them yet.

When you enter the zip code for your market in Setup does DirecTV setup merely add all of the channels you COULD get or is it allegedly showing all of the channels my antenna IS getting?

I ask because there's a bunch of channels like 4-1, etc that are listed in the Guide but I'm not receiving them. I get the "Searching for Signal" message or something similar. They're all duplicates of other channels (X, X-1 or X-2) so I'm guessing D* just tosses them all in and leaves it to me to fiddle with the antenna.

Thanks!

Do you have a 100 model or the 600 model? My guess is that you have the 100.

After much contemplation I decided to modify my "owned" receiver to improve the cooling...Tomcat,

Looks like you did quite a fine job and it also sounds as though it works very well to lower the 600's heating to reasonable levels. I've traded in my overheater and have a -100 now or I would be doing the same mod that you did!

I can't help but wonder how much damage has already been done to your receiver from the prior overheating? Hopefully none, or maybe not? At any rate, anyone with a furnace-model-600 would do well to follow your lead... and the sooner the better. If you'd market an easy, do-it-yourself modification kit you might make a million bucks. :)

I imagine that D* would definitely not appreciate what you did, but then, they are the ones who are pushing the hot mamas. ;)

When you enter the zip code for your market in Setup does DirecTV setup merely add all of the channels you COULD get or is it allegedly showing all of the channels my antenna IS getting?All the channels you could get.

Did you do a SCAN for OTA channels in antenna setup?

Did the HD upgrade Thurs. The install took 7 and a half hours, mostly due to the first H20 being bad out of the box (dish is on the same mount and no new inside cable). A more experienced installer showed up and explained to the rookie he should take these receivers inside his house at night and test them because so many are bad from the start.

So I hook up HDMI and I get blink,picture, blink. Further research and I found that I have a 1.2 and the box is 1.1 so it doesn't work?

Saturday morning the HD stations start blacking out, so I jump to SD channels and they seemed okay. I called D* and as I went through the tech labyrinth every channel started this. Now the box only brodcasts black and occasionally I'll get the guide layout, so it must be toast. No amount of unplugging or resetting helps.

My HDTV is currently a paper weight, except OTA. I never hooked OTA through the H20 and it is a -100. Sorry, just mostly venting. This equipment seems hardly even a prototype. How many boxes will it take to get a good one?

So I hook up HDMI and I get blink,picture, blink. Further research and I found that I have a 1.2 and the box is 1.1 so it doesn't work?

This is quite common with the -100. Do you happen to have a Samsung hdtv? I just got a Sammy 1080p lcd and my -100 hdmi does the same blackout procedure. Quite frustrating, but component works fine in the meantime until D* fixes the issue.

Tomcat,

Looks like you did quite a fine job and it also sounds as though it works very well to lower the 600's heating to reasonable levels. I've traded in my overheater and have a -100 now or I would be doing the same mod that you did!

I can't help but wonder how much damage has already been done to your receiver from the prior overheating? Hopefully none, or maybe not? At any rate, anyone with a furnace-model-600 would do well to follow your lead... and the sooner the better. If you'd market an easy, do-it-yourself modification kit you might make a million bucks. :)

I imagine that D* would definitely not appreciate what you did, but then, they are the ones who are pushing the hot mamas. ;)


Thanks Technofobe, I was suprised at how effective the mod was. Being aware of the 600's problem I have it on a switched ac circuit which has only been on while watching TV for the last two weeks or so. Hopefully there is no damage. There were no signs of visable damage but that may not mean much. With the uncertainty of what they would replace it with + the hassle factor well you know the old saying... if you want it done right do it yourself. I'm sure D* would have a problem with the mod kit and as we know they have enough problems already. Hot mama's are great, just not in HT electronics.

Dan

New Samsung, but only 720P (just getting my feet wet with HD).

I should have said I switched back to component and then had more problems. From plug-in the box cycles and then hangs with just the light at 1080 on. It will not respond and of course no output.

Do you have a 100 model or the 600 model? My guess is that you have the 100.

If you're referring to the number after "H20" on the back of the receiver it is 600.

Thanks!

All the channels you could get.

Did you do a SCAN for OTA channels in antenna setup?

As a matter of fact, I don't believe I have. This was a replacement box and I don't remember doing that after I removed the old one and connected this one.

On a related note....what good will a "scan" do if I'm using a motorized directional antenna? I need to move the control for that antenna. It's not very handy in the furnace room....lol.....

Week-old Directv 5LNB dish and H20 receiver upgrade for local HD. Two problems noted today. (Haven't watched it that much until now.)
1. Earlier today, no video through HDMI( Component is fine)
( HDCP compliant Infocus SP4805 projector with HDMI-M1 monoprice cable. Works fine displaying Samsung upconvert DVD thru HDMI)
Spoke with Directv tech-they will send replacement.
2. Watching Sunday Night Football on H20 local HD, sound problem noted.
Sound stutters severely, then disappears altogether. Shut H20 down and restart sound is normal again.
(Good quality Toslink cable works fine thru DVD output).
I tried a direct comparison with the Directv H20 mpeg4 local HD and the same station using my OTA HD (5.1 DD) thru HTPC Avermedia A180 video card and sound was normal.
My current H20 Model 100 has the latest firmware update (100c) was mfg. in Mexico on 3/08/06. So,we'll see what happens with the replacement due in next few days.

The Zinwell WB68 can't be cascaded but can be used with 4 power passing (both legs) satellite compatible splitters to feed the two multiswitches from the AT-9 dish. Make sure the same splitter feeds the same input on each multiswitch. Gives you 16 outlets. Saw something recently on a 16 port multiswitch but don't know if D* is supplying them yet.

That's what I've have, just ensure you have the proper frequency splitters and the output of the splitters goes to the same voltage input on both multiswitches.

Zinwell has pulled the WB16 from the site, I've heard that has not been fully tested and therefore it doesn't have D*TV approval , the initial cost $169.00.

Peace and blessings,

Azeke

....what good will a "scan" do if I'm using a motorized directional antenna? I need to move the control for that antenna. It's not very handy in the furnace room....lol.....
Well, if you don't do a scan, you won't get some or all of your OTA channels.

First, enter ZIP Codes for up to two cities you can receive OTA. Then, do the scan for one city, turn the rotor and scan again.

I just had my H20 installed by DirecTV, and watched an OTA transmission of Sunday Night Football on my Sanyo PLV-Z4 projector.

I only had one issue with it; on long field shots, the picture looks good, and then the whole thing "shifts" and get blurred/smoothed/fuzzy. It's not at all pixelated, and slowly comes back into "focus" as we're watching. This also happens on other shots, always after the whole screen changes, and only seems to happen on the HD channel.

Anyone else experience this? I can't figure out id the problem is the receiver or the projector! It almost seems as if the image is starting at 480p, and then changing resolution to 1080i (or the other way around). My projector will automatically display whatever resolution is being fed to it; would the resolution change mid-broadcast/reception like that?

... I only had one issue with it; on long field shots, the picture looks good, and then the whole thing "shifts" and get blurred/smoothed/fuzzy. It's not at all pixelated, and slowly comes back into "focus" as we're watching. It almost seems as if the image is starting at 480p, and then changing resolution to 1080i

...would the resolution change mid-broadcast/reception like that?

No.

What network and OTA station were you watching?

What network and OTA station were you watching?
WTHR-DT 13.1 NBC INDIANAPOLIS, IN

Sorry, forgot to include that. Indianapolis, IN. I was getting 80-83% signal strength through my antenna through the game.

I made a call to my local NBC station engineering dept, and they claimed the network feed had some "intermittent broadcast transmission hiccups". I saw a few in both OTA and D* feeds so this might be valid.

I made a call to my local NBC station engineering dept, and they claimed the network feed had some "intermittent broadcast transmission hiccups". I saw a few in moth OTA and D* feeds so this might be valid.

Thanks... I hope that's it. That was my first ever HDTV experience, and to be honest, was disappointed with the effect (it was very distracting). I wracked my brain and hit every setting I could find to fix it, to no avail.

That could be the case.

gludlow,
Does that station multicast additional sub channels besides 13-1?
Like 13-2, 13-3, etc....

That is a well known issue herrfish1. Please call D* and complain. They dont seem to care at this point.

Thanks, dgordo! I did call D* on Friday, and they sent out a technician today (Monday). Of course, he didn't even know which of the 2 feeds for each channel was the HD feed until I told him! He did say that many of the service calls on the new MPEG4 systems are related to the larger dish and alignment. Needless to say, his visit was pretty much a waste!

I guess I'll just keep calling and complaining. Football on those 1080i channels is going to be unwatchable!:confused:

That could be the case.

gludlow,
Does that station multicast additional sub channels besides 13-1?
Like 13-2, 13-3, etc....

I believe so, if I remember correctly, there was 13 (analog, but seemed to be HD), 13-1, and I think there was 13-2 as well. I noticed that many of the digital channels had -2 and -3 on them; this is new from last night, so I'll check when I get home.

I had the same issues OTA during the game. I figured it was the network. It was still better than the jumpy, stuttering MPEG4 signal.

prob mentioned before but worth annother: an easy way to cool your scorching hot H20 is by using a Tragus laptop cooler w/USB. about 25$ at walmart. (even silver to match) It plugs right in to the back of the reciever and keeps it nice and cool. FYI

prob mentioned before but worth annother: an easy way to cool your scorching hot H20 is by using a Tragus laptop cooler w/USB. about 25$ at walmart. (even silver to match) It plugs right in to the back of the reciever and keeps it nice and cool. FYI

Thanks for the tip. How does it plug into the receiver - I didn't think the H20 has a USB port?

yup they sure do! It works so good I got one for my other components aswell.

All,

I have developed a problem with my H20-600. My component inputs seem to be steadily declining in picture quality. The effect is almost like waves rolling across the entire screen in a diagonal fashion. I would say it is similar to driving on a highway and seeing the heat rising from the road in front of you. It is only on the component output and not the s-video. Has anyone else run into this?

I have an AT9 upgrade scheduled for next week and need to know if i need a new box

Thanks

Just to rule out your monitor try switching your DVD player to the component inputs your H20 is hooked to. If that looks fine your H20 is failing

prob mentioned before but worth annother: an easy way to cool your scorching hot H20 is by using a Tragus laptop cooler w/USB. about 25$ at walmart. (even silver to match) It plugs right in to the back of the reciever and keeps it nice and cool. FYI
here is the item; it is targus
cost $19.72
Targus Laptop Chill Mat - Cooling Mat
NOTEBOOK,CHILL,MAT-,COOLING,MAT,W/,2-FANS,USB,POWERED
PA248U

Week-old Directv 5LNB dish and H20 receiver upgrade for local HD. Two problems noted today. (Haven't watched it that much until now.)
1. Earlier today, no video through HDMI( Component is fine)
( HDCP compliant Infocus SP4805 projector with HDMI-M1 monoprice cable. Works fine displaying Samsung upconvert DVD thru HDMI)
Spoke with Directv tech-they will send replacement.
2. Watching Sunday Night Football on H20 local HD, sound problem noted.
Sound stutters severely, then disappears altogether. Shut H20 down and restart sound is normal again.
(Good quality Toslink cable works fine thru DVD output).
I tried a direct comparison with the Directv H20 mpeg4 local HD and the same station using my OTA HD (5.1 DD) thru HTPC Avermedia A180 video card and sound was normal.
My current H20 Model 100 has the latest firmware update (100c) was mfg. in Mexico on 3/08/06. So,we'll see what happens with the replacement due in next few days.

Got an H20-600 refurb unit today. The HDMI output is fine on this unit. HDMI outputs to Infocus SP4805 and component out feeds a Panny 46" rptv for most "TV" viewing. *The H20-600 does run hot, so I was quick to get a 80mm pc cooling fan on it. Been running OK most of today. Now to ship my flaky H20-100 back.
*Hats off to notanewbie for his "Cool" idea here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=696510

regards,
sgibson

it's cool that there is a device out there to cool the unit, but I'm not spending money for something (even $20) that's not supposed to be hot in the first place

it's cool that there is a device out there to cool the unit, but I'm not spending money for something (even $20) that's not supposed to be hot in the first place

I hear you...and agree. Just so happens I had some spare parts from an old pc
box , so didn't cost me dime.

ok so i just got a h20 installed and i do not have any signal but from the old 3 sattlites the installer said that the new 99 and 103 were not turned on currently in my location I am located in middle tn 37388 if any of that helps should i have signal from these locations ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/

ok so i just got a h20 installed and i do not have any signal but from the old 3 sattlites the installer said that the new 99 and 103 were not turned on currently in my location I am located in middle tn 37388 if any of that helps should i have signal from these locations ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
According to D*s website you should be getting HD locals over one of the 2 new sats. Did you get a new AT9 dish installed?

I have the new at9 dish that is correct the locals come in in hd they are like two sets of locals ones in sd then right next to it in hd but i get nothing in signal meter from ither of the 99 nor 103 locations the installer was yammering it is not turned on in this area yet. i was like hmm should i not still get some sort of signal from them even if it is just a becon signal no programing........ I was just wondering i thought i should have signal from all 5 using the at9 in my area or so the little directv lady told me i would need a new dish but it is not even using the 99 nor 103 to get my locals and i am in the nashvile martket area so the question is should i be reciving signal ie a broken box broken dish or dumb installer

Diff areas only get either the 99 0r 103 signal so you might pass one or the other but never both of them

ok well i am passing both sets of 99 and 103 all of there so called net14 and net15 services up they are not coming in at all so the installer is a total goof ball great

ok well i am passing both sets of 99 and 103 all of there so called net14 and net15 services up they are not coming in at all so the installer is a total goof ball greatI'm confused... If Thearrow isn't getting any signal from either the 99 or 103 satellites how can he be receiving his locals in HD? Only via OTA? :confused:

i know it is a mess i am sorry . But it shows no signal from the other nets 99 and 103 but i do get hd locals and trust me it is not off any antena there is not even one hooked up let alone i am 70 miles from the broadcast cite. so i am confueesed as well it makes no sense at all to me . when i go under the 103 and 99 sats i get no signal bar on ither of them. it took the guy a very short time to put the dish up it is looking more and more it might not be tunned right or the h20 is bum

bad ss meter? [JUST guessing]

i know it is a mess i am sorry . But it shows no signal from the other nets 99 and 103 but i do get hd locals and trust me it is not off any antena there is not even one hooked up let alone i am 70 miles from the broadcast cite. so i am confueesed as well it makes no sense at all to me . when i go under the 103 and 99 sats i get no signal bar on ither of them. it took the guy a very short time to put the dish up it is looking more and more it might not be tunned right or the h20 is bum
You will most likely only get signal from one transponder out of the 64 on the two sats combined. You should be able to look at each transponder individually and find the signal somewhere. If you are getting your HD locals then you are good to go.

so if i am getting my hd locals then i am setup for the conus beam right for when the use the ka for things like starz hd when they get around to putting that up on the birds when hells has forzen over lol

Diff areas only get either the 99 0r 103 signal so you might pass one or the other but never both of them

Everyone was getting both birds before one was disabled in the last firmware update.

Unless they have sent out new firmware (which I doubt) only one bird is active now nationwide.

Third bad H20 in 1 week. This one will show the free channels (Intro and PPV preview), but I just get a black screeen on any other channel. Multiple resets with D* and resending of authorization. On the black screen it does not show any error message. What is going on?

Third bad H20 in 1 week. This one will show the free channels (Intro and PPV preview), but I just get a black screeen on any other channel. Multiple resets with D* and resending of authorization. On the black screen it does not show any error message. What is going on?
What is going on?

Unfortunately, nothing all that unusual... you've just fallen into the D* Black Hole. But really, three defective receivers in one week is a bit unusual. How did you manage that? I'd think shipping would take more time than that. Not that it really matters, but what models were they? I imagine you're ready to scream. :eek:

Odds are definitely in your favor, but don't bet the farm just yet... :)

Recieved my H20 upgrade on Tuesday - a "100" mfg code. It appeared to lose it's mind shortly after the installer left. Could only see three satellites, resulting in the HD locals not showing. After much rebooting, checking coax connections, and re-running setup it saw the other satellites, but still wouldn't show HD locals. I ended up resolving this issue by going into the OTA antenna setup and removing all channels. Note that it is not actually connected to an OTA antenna, so I don't know why it was under the impresion that it was. This act resulted in the HD locals finally showing up. the box has been running fine since, and hopefully this was all just a one-time glitch with the setup.

I've been running an HD setup with an RCA DTC100 and OTA antenna for about 5 years, and I have to say that I'm a bit underwhelmed with the MPEG4 HD locals. I haven't watched a whole lot of programming with the HD locals thus far, but I suspect that I will be keeping my OTA antenna.

... I've been running an HD setup with an RCA DTC100 and OTA antenna for about 5 years, and I have to say that I'm a bit underwhelmed with the MPEG4 HD locals. I haven't watched a whole lot of programming with the HD locals thus far, but I suspect that I will be keeping my OTA antenna.You definitely want to keep your OTA antenna.

My H20 is being installed right now. It is a 100 model. I heard the 100s have less problems but the ota tuner on the 600 is better. I was hoping for a 600 with minimal problems as I am begining an ota setup. Anyway, the installer put the dish up and I got low 90s on all pre-existing receivers (was around mid 80s before). Went to set up H20 and it only sees 3 satellites. Can't find 99 and 103. He says 103 should come up so we tried different wall jacks to see if it were a cable issue. Two locations, same results. He's out there readjusting the dish as I type this. Hopefully this all works out.

did he choose 5LNB dish in the dish setup menu?

Yes he did. When it asked for switch he initially had 4x4 but I reminded him of the multi switch so the next time he put 6x8. And yes, it's the Ka/Ku switch.

How I had 3 bad in 1 week: 1st installed box was bad from the get go (tech spent 7.5 hours at my house), 2nd receiver (same day) lasted about 4 hours run time, 3rd box shipped and never worked. 1st 2 were -100, 3rd was refurbed -600. I have to say I was stunned to get a refurb after the terrible experience to this point.

I lost it and have moved on to dish, keeping my fingers crossed. I already have tossed them once. The wife and I have the worst luck with cable and sat companies.

A friendly note to anyone installing either the H-20-100 or H-20-600 tuner. Heat is THE enemy here so be sure to allow open sides and a open top; and, for sure, get the unit, at least, one inch off whatever it is sitting on with 2 inches being even better. I have had 2 units (one 100 and one 600) and zero problems in quite a few months now. Keep both units running as cool as possible and you will increase, greatly, the time both units last.

This is weird. Sats 99 and 103 still fail yet it appears I'm getting CBS and NBC in Mpeg4 HD. Neither channel has a HD broadcast on right now so I have to wait until 10:00 pm. The installer is local and plans to come back tomorrow as I cut him loose. He did a lot of extra work for me and the 3-lnb signal is better than it was previously. He was pretty cool so rather than piss him off I thought it was best to let him start fresh tomorrow. We came up if a few possible reasons/solutions that we can try.

BTW, I'm in CT and D* only offer CBS and NBC in mpeg4.

jamesflames sounds like you are having the same issue as i am

Thearrow, where are you located? I'm just wondering if it's a CT thing.

i am in middle tn

66stang351 and thearrow, I looked under the transponders for 103 (net 14) all had 0 signal except for these (transponder-signal strength): 3-40, 12-91, 17-62 and 25-35. 99 (net 11) had all 0 except these: 18-60, 20-68, 27-80, 28-80. So setup shows failed sats overall but individual tests show some transponders with good signal. I'm curious what others are getting and if setup shows the sats found or not. I may post this questions in another thread also.

well there goes the ct theory

kbracer, do you have a phone line installed. I have a 100 series also and I'm only seeing 3 sats although my HD locals are there. And no, they are not from ota. I'm in the same situation as thearrow

kbracer, sorry I didn't finish my original thought. I'm wondering if your H20 did a software upgrade while you were in the setup process. I never hooked a phone line up to it. My firmware version is 003E, 020E, B00000113.

Mine is connected to a phone line. If I remember correctly, the box did a software upgrade imediately after the installer ran the setup for the first time. Don't know if the update was via phone or the sat signal, but it took forever. My "original software" is the same as you listed and it says my update is "100C".

kbracer, sorry I didn't finish my original thought. I'm wondering if your H20 did a software upgrade while you were in the setup process. I never hooked a phone line up to it. My firmware version is 003E, 020E, B00000113.

I really don't see why anyone should care whether the H20 receiver reports "seeing" a 99 or 103 satellite JUST SO LONG as they are receiving local channels in HD. If it quacks like a duck, the satellite is being received. Okay, that might be a lousy analogy... :)

How's this one: If your car's engine is running --- but the tachometer reads 0 rpm, you can still drive your car to Radio Shack. Just stop looking at the tachometer.

If your ONLY problem is with the H20's signal strength meter you should count your lucky stars (or lucky satellites?). The siganl strength meter is at best just a general guide for how well the dish is aimed.

I would strongly suggest that people stop looking at the SS meter and just enjoy watching their local networks' HD broadcasts.

Techofobe, since my previous posts my receiver did infact find the 103. The installer lives locally and just for kicks opened a new H20 and guess what? It didn't find sat 103. Both are 100 series. Mine was manufacted in 04/06. The box he brought was manufactured in 05/06. Since mine has been behaving well since I didn't dare switch. Still I don't think it's unreasonable to question something that isn't working properly. Who's to say the dish still isn't aligned properly? Maybe I'm seeing my locals what if the signal is so weak it doesn't register and the slightest of inclement weather knocks out my signal. The dish is tweaked using the SS meter so a faulty meter can infact be a big deal. As far as your car analogy goes, if a car you just bought registered 0 rpms while you were driving would you stop looking at the tachometer and just enjoy driving?

Techofobe, since my previous posts my receiver did infact find the 103. The installer lives locally and just for kicks opened a new H20 and guess what? It didn't find sat 103. Both are 100 series. Mine was manufacted in 04/06. The box he brought was manufactured in 05/06. Since mine has been behaving well since I didn't dare switch. Still I don't think it's unreasonable to question something that isn't working properly. Who's to say the dish still isn't aligned properly? Maybe I'm seeing my locals what if the signal is so weak it doesn't register and the slightest of inclement weather knocks out my signal. The dish is tweaked using the SS meter so a faulty meter can infact be a big deal. As far as your car analogy goes, if a car you just bought registered 0 rpms while you were driving would you stop looking at the tachometer and just enjoy driving?You're exactly right... The SS meter should absolutely work. My H20's SS meter jumps all around, up and down, back and forth. The receiver also suffers from terminal humidity fade. I lose my HD picture before it even begins to rain. Pretty cool actually? Pre-warns me when I should close my windows. :)

You bet I would be upset if my new car's tach didn't function. I'd take it to the dealer and demand they fix it! I wouldn't bother to if the car was made by D* though. I try to avoid dealing with D* as much as is humanly possible. Did you notice how many people have gone thru numerous receivers while attempting to get one that works?

Sort of like: "Don't fix it if it ain't totally broke"? ;)

Besides, the last CSR I spoke with said that it is perfectly normal for the receivers to malfunction... :D (just joking)

...The dish is tweaked using the SS meter so a faulty meter can infact be a big deal....
If you had it professionally installed, they are supposed to use a handheld SS meter at the dish.

Regardless, if the signal strength's not showing on the sat receiver, there's something wrong with that receiver.

...re the phone line:

The phone line does not have to be connected to your receivers and the phone line has absolutely nothing to do with downloading updates. It is only for uploading billing information for PPV stuff you ordered with the remote.

Gee, I feel so alone! both my 20-100 and the 20-600 are working just fine and have been for many months now. I receive everything I pay for (in a most viewable manner) and still get some 'deals' from Directv. Except for my regular programming pakages, I have not paid a cent to Directv for a number of years. And I think the picture I see on my plasma display is excellent. Bottom line, I am happy with Directv! I feel so alone!

Gee, I feel so alone! both my 20-100 and the 20-600 are working just fine and have been for many months now. I receive everything I pay for (in a most viewable manner) and still get some 'deals' from Directv. Except for my regular programming pakages, I have not paid a cent to Directv for a number of years. And I think the picture I see on my plasma display is excellent. Bottom line, I am happy with Directv! I feel so alone!If it weren't for the bad Kharma --- I would hate you. :D

Gee, I feel so alone! both my 20-100 and the 20-600 are working just fine and have been for many months now. I receive everything I pay for (in a most viewable manner) and still get some 'deals' from Directv. Except for my regular programming pakages, I have not paid a cent to Directv for a number of years. And I think the picture I see on my plasma display is excellent. Bottom line, I am happy with Directv! I feel so alone!


No you are not alone. I guess it is just you and I. All six of my H20s work perfectly, perform extremely well, and have awesome PQ. I pay nothing to have installs done and they are done correctly every time. I get programming deals all the time. All of my equipment works and nothing ever goes wrong. My programming package never changes in price and is lower than cable. Every call I make to D* is to tier 2 or customer retention and they do what I tell them to do and never fail. Of course I don't ask them questions they cannot answer, I just tell them what I want. I have no complaints, except that I have to pay for HD SuperFan on top of my ST charges. :(

"All of my equipment works and nothing ever goes wrong. My programming package never changes in price and is lower than cable."

Nothing ever goes wrong? Price never changes? Wow... You forgot to mention that your D* technician is the Easter Bunny.

[quote=billt1111]"Every call I make to D* is to tier 2 or customer retention and they do what I tell them to do and never fail. Of course I don't ask them questions they cannot answer, I just tell them what I want."Hmmmm, I suppose if I never asked ANYONE questions they can't answer --- I would ALWAYS get what I wanted too? I've heard a lot of preposterous boasts & exaggerations in my time, but you just won the all-time prize in my book! Next thing you'll say is that you just saw BigFoot flying around the lost continent of Atlantis in a UFO. :eek:

I can't help but wonder why you would ever need to call D*'s Tier1 Support or Customer Retention if "All of my equipment works and nothing ever goes wrong"? But, hey! Why don't you TELL them you don't want to be charged anything for D* services and programming --- including ST with SuperFan. Since they never fail to do everything you tell them --- you've got the sweetest deal in the world! Man, I don't even have my dog trained THAT well. :D

billt1111 = zero credibility

I think I can call Jay Leno and tell him to book you on The Tonight Show as a stand-up comic... ;)

[QUOTE=billt1111]"All of my equipment works and nothing ever goes wrong. My programming package never changes in price and is lower than cable."

Nothing ever goes wrong? Price never changes? Wow... You forgot to mention that your D* technician is the Easter Bunny.

Hmmmm, I suppose if I never asked ANYONE questions they can't answer --- I would ALWAYS get what I wanted too? I've heard a lot of preposterous boasts & exaggerations in my time, but you just won the all-time prize in my book! Next thing you'll say is that you just saw BigFoot flying around the lost continent of Atlantis in a UFO. :eek:

I can't help but wonder why you would ever need to call D*'s Tier1 Support or Customer Retention if "All of my equipment works and nothing ever goes wrong"? But, hey! Why don't you TELL them you don't want to be charged anything for D* services and programming --- including ST with SuperFan. Since they never fail to do everything you tell them --- you've got the sweetest deal in the world! Man, I don't even have my dog trained THAT well. :D

billt1111 = zero credibility

I think I can call Jay Leno and tell him to book you on The Tonight Show as a stand-up comic... ;)

Sorry but that's the way it is. All 6 of my H20s work. The install was flawless. I have hundreds of dollars a year in free programming. I have been a D* customer since 96 and have never had a receiver fail. Most of the CSRs are clueless but they always do what I ask them to do, i.e. activate a box, swap it out for a newer one, give me a credit, etc.

The only problem I have ever seen is the steady stream of disinformation here in these forums and people who just want to complain. :rolleyes:

I have been with Directv for many years; ever since my C-Band Big Dish days. (very happy days, by the way). I keep things simple with component connections and I have 1- 24 inch dish for each of 3 sats (3 dishes. in total). As I receive all the programming I want (with MPEG2) (and OTA for HD networks), I see no reason to go to the 5lnb dish. To me, receiving 5 sats with 1 dish, is a compromise. I shall wait for the simpler dish of the future. I have an idea Directv will give us all programming from a smaller dish (than 5lnb dish) from sats located at 99, 101, and 103 (at least bunched closer together than now). This should give us stronger signals so as to keep our programming even in storms. Directv must bring back things to being more simpler in the future or customers will be turned off. People do like the idea of one wire bringing all information into the house (with nothing on the roof). Pardon me for straying from discussion of h-20-100 and h-20-600 tuners.

Well here's my H20 story:
My H20-600 has finally died, DOA. After 3 months of nightly reboots it no longer turns on, not even if I unplug it or do a reset. For all my troubles D* is replacing it with a HR10-250 DVR and I will get a free install when I go to the AT9/mpeg4 setup. Installer will be here tomorrow to hook up the DVR. This after not getting anywhere with TIER 1 support and finally calling Customer Retention. No problems at all when talking to CR. They offered me the HR10 without blinking an eye, didn't even have to get all the way through my H20 history speech.
I owned the H20 and now I will be leasing the HR10, no biggie for me. Don't know if I'm looking forward to the new HR20 DVR or not, Hopefully the HR20's will be a little more reliable than the H20. We'll just have to wait and see.

Anyone,

This may seem like a trivial question... but I keep seeing all this information about the "Active" button. Does this feature work on the H20 or is there something I need
to do to get it to work?

Anyone,

This may seem like a trivial question... but I keep seeing all this information about the "Active" button. Does this feature work on the H20 or is there something I need
to do to get it to work?

No, it does not work on the H20 at this time. It's supposed to be something that D* will activate via a software update, which would be nice to have before NFL SuperFan starts this year.

I just got mine all setup here at the house and it is working like it should

I noticed there are two nets for the same 99 location does that mean they will end up turning that on one day for other programing

No you are not alone. I guess it is just you and I. All six of my H20s work perfectly, perform extremely well, and have awesome PQ. I pay nothing to have installs done and they are done correctly every time. I get programming deals all the time. All of my equipment works and nothing ever goes wrong. My programming package never changes in price and is lower than cable. Every call I make to D* is to tier 2 or customer retention and they do what I tell them to do and never fail. Of course I don't ask them questions they cannot answer, I just tell them what I want. I have no complaints, except that I have to pay for HD SuperFan on top of my ST charges. :(


I agree, I have been with DTV for 8 years and I tell the CSR's what I want them to do and don't ask them things they would be clueless about.
All of my H20's work flawlessly.

As I have mentioned many times before here, the cooler a piece of equipment can work, the better. And that was never truer than with the tuners from Directv. Heat is definitely an enemy to them. Do keep the air flowing freely on all 6 sides and any problems are likely to be held to a minimum. Nice to hear from a few persons who have had zero problems with the tuners. Of course, I would expect this to be the vast majority. People who are satisfied seldom say anything. As for me, I am happy with Directv and, to me, SD and HD programming come across excellent. Of course, if people could not complain, there would be no forum such as this.

i know it is a mess i am sorry . But it shows no signal from the other nets 99 and 103 but i do get hd locals and trust me it is not off any antena there is not even one hooked up let alone i am 70 miles from the broadcast cite. so i am confueesed as well it makes no sense at all to me . when i go under the 103 and 99 sats i get no signal bar on ither of them. it took the guy a very short time to put the dish up it is looking more and more it might not be tunned right or the h20 is bum

I am in the Washington D.C. area.

I recently had FIVE directv guys come out to my house to get my 5LNB sat working with a new H20. The fifth (and best) guy was a senior tech who corrected the mistakes of the previous installers. He claims the following:

- I get zero strength of 99 and 103 because they're not being used

- 103 will pass or fail a signal test on the H20 randomly, it's "basically dead in the sky being used internally for the future"

- 99 has two transponders (net 10/11 I believe) and are used for HD locals in some of the D.C. area (Maryland mostly) but not where I live (Virginia side) where the HD locals are coming off a different bird altogether. That's how I get 0 strength on 99/103 yet get NBC/FOX/ABC/CBS locally in HD

Just what I have been told. Anyone else confirm/deny this?

Also is there a site anywhere to monitor upcoming HD channels? Like what DirecTV plans to add in the future? Thanks.

First post! I'm scared.

I am in the Washington D.C. area.

I recently had FIVE directv guys come out to my house to get my 5LNB sat working with a new H20. The fifth (and best) guy was a senior tech who corrected the mistakes of the previous installers. He claims the following:

- I get zero strength of 99 and 103 because they're not being used

- 103 will pass or fail a signal test on the H20 randomly, it's "basically dead in the sky being used internally for the future"

- 99 has two transponders (net 10/11 I believe) and are used for HD locals in some of the D.C. area (Maryland mostly) but not where I live (Virginia side) where the HD locals are coming off a different bird altogether. That's how I get 0 strength on 99/103 yet get NBC/FOX/ABC/CBS locally in HD

Just what I have been told. Anyone else confirm/deny this?

Also is there a site anywhere to monitor upcoming HD channels? Like what DirecTV plans to add in the future? Thanks.

First post! I'm scared.
-First 99/103 are being used but each transponder is spotbeamed.

-Second I am not sure but I think 103 is being used. It might not be but it will be soon.

-99 and 103 have 32 transponders each they are distributed between 2 nets on each sat. If you are getting local HD not New York channels then you are receiving them from one of the two sats mentioned, 99/103. Because of the spotbeams you will not see a signal from all transponders on the sats just the ones that are aimed in your direction. If you go thru the transponders one by one you will find at least one that has a signal. That is where your locals are coming from.


As for upcoming stuff, no there is nowhere to monitor what will be upcoming other than to watch for a press release from D* on their website. They usually don't say anything until a few days before something new comes out. Below is a link to D*'s press releases.
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=127160&p=irol-news&nyo=0

First post! I'm scared.Travis,

So this was your first post AND you live in the DC area? Then you're perfectly right to be concerned... :D

Truth is that, except for me, this forum is populated with a much nicer group than the average old techie forum.

That being said, and this is only my opinion, D* techs are much like politicians in that anything & everything you are told by them should be viewed most skeptically. I suppose they all mean well... but, it amazes me that so many techs (and CSRs) seem to be totally in the dark regarding D*. The good news is that they are extremely polite and try most hard to be helpful. Gotta hand 'em that. And --- that's a big deal in my book.

I searched this thread for an answer to my question and only found half of it, so please bear with me if this topic has been beaten to death.

My H20 is one of the units that doesn't allow you to deselect 480p. This doesn't bother me, but I was wondering if it had anything to do with the horrible flicker I'm getting when I set the output resolution to 1080i. My CRT converts everything to 1080i so this shouldn't be a problem, but the flicker is so bad it makes things unwatchable. I have to set the output to 720p (which for some reason cuts off the left edge of the screen) and causes a lot of jagged edges in what I assume is a downconversion by the box followed by an upconversion by the TV. I'm using component cables, but I previously had the same problem with an HDMI cable.

My question is this: Is the inability to deselect 480p related to this horrible flicker, and if not, is there any way to output 1080i without the flicker? I'm fairly certain my TV is not the problem since I've outputted Xbox 360 content in 1080i without a problem. Anyone heard of this happening before? Would a reset help? I didn't set the box up myself, and I have no idea what the installer did.

Techo: And as you know, the nicer you treat the CSRs. the more free stuff you will receive. This I know, from many years of free stuff! I believe. For the most part, Directv leaves each CSR alone and very few things are'definite'. Directv does not want to lose any customers. Remember, everyone, be very nice! And you shall receive!

Techo: And as you know, the nicer you treat the CSRs. the more free stuff you will receive. This I know, from many years of free stuff! I believe. For the most part, Directv leaves each CSR alone and very few things are'definite'. Directv does not want to lose any customers. Remember, everyone, be very nice! And you shall receive!
Honestly, being mean to a D* CSR would just seem like poor form to me... Not unlike picking the wings off of flies. :)

I have no problem dishing "it" back out when the typically rude CSR from many other (most?) corporations brutalize their customers. But while D*often gives out inaccurate and conflicting info --- they are polite while doing it. :D

A breath of fresh air if you ask me.

And, the real secret (as far as I can tell) is to just keep calling back over & over again --- until you get a CSR who will agree to help. But, be ready to call back several times?

I got 2 H20-100s installed on 8/4. A couple questions please:

1. Is is typical for the 110 signal strength to read in the 60s or low 70s for the 3 transponders? I checked other receivers and they are VERY strong for the 110. Even on the H20 receivers, however, I don't see any reception problems on the HD channels that use those transponders.

2. I'm in NY. Is D* working on fixing the odd transmission of live telecasts, e.g. sports and news on mpeg-4 channels? When there is fast motion, the frame rate issues are rediculous.

Other than these points, I'm pleased with the receivers. The ATSC tuner seems excellent. It changes channels fast. The guide seems very good but a little tricky to change the type of guide you're using. PQ is very good too. Simulatenous HDMI/Component outputs is cool as it allows me to use the PIP or 'Split' option for my TVs DTV tuner with Component. (I can't split the TVs tuner with HDMI.) It's too bad D* is being cheap about not including HDMI cables. Monoprice was great to work with though.

mieky: It is typical and normal for the h-20 receivers to read low on the signal strength. It is all relative. They read about 20 plus points lower than what you are used to. Just one of the oversites in producing this receiver but it is very good on reception of sats and OTA. I would hope Directv is working on the problem of fast motion. Be sure to write to Directv and tell them of your problem.

Just one of the oversites in producing this receiver but it is very good on reception of sats and OTA. I would hope Directv is working on the problem of fast motion.Gee Richard, I don't have any problem with fast motion, but my H20's reception is extremely poor... My H20 loses its signal whenever it starts to rain, which is normal. Except --- when I switch over to my good ole dependable DirecTiVo Series1 receivers --- they are still receiving sat signals and working fine as a rule, while the H20 is "searching". Of course when it really starts to pour down, even the DTiVo's fade out... What really bothers me are all the glitches, stutters and drop-outs the H20 has. Mostly seems to involve the Mpeg4 (local: both HD & SD) transmissions?

I'll gladly trade you H20 receivers and you can enjoy flicker-free fast-motion! ;)

Techo: About fast motion flickers..just reverring to a previous post. As I have mentioned before, all is fine with my H-20 receivers. I read where some are having problems with MPEG4. I have 3 dishes (24 inches); one for each of 3 sats. I receive my locals via OTA (in the center of 3 markets). Any dish that receives more than 1 satellite is a compromise. I am waiting for the newer Directv dish. I think, down the road, Directv will somehow make the receiving of programming more simpler. Maybe they can combine all their programming on 3 sats (that can be received with one dish). And, just maybe, these 3 sats will be at 99 degrees, 101, and 103. I believe, in the future, Directv (and Dish) will have to make things much mores simpler. Everything else being equal, most people prefer to get their internet, telephone, and 'prgramming' all on 1 wire coming into the house. Right now, I can get fast internet and total programming ( just about all HD available) from local cable company for around $120 per month. And the quality is excellent. Right now, I am paying, per mo. $56 for cable internet only so a much better deal to receive everything in one package. Right now, staying with Directv because I like getting XM radio programming in our home. Gee, I am straying again..sorry..as always.

I have a question about H20 replacements. I just received a replacement (100 for those that are keeping track) and the DTV CSR told me that I didn't need to send in the defective unit, that it was mine to keep (What the hell I'll do with a defective unit I don' tknow), and that the new unit (which is a refurb) is on a lease. I didn't go through the 120+ pages of this thread to see if anyone else has gone through this. But my question is this, is there anything productive to do with the defective unit?


Door stop?

azure: Usually, Directv asks for the unit back and they pay for the shipping. Seems, maybe, they now realize this is a drain on their finances and, besides, Directv probably has more than enough defective H-20s. As to your question, just use your imagination, my friend..what to do with defective h-20.

For those above who are concerned about low reception numbers on the H20... After my initial setup that resulted in local transponder numbers in the 10s to 40s, I got a new alignment (after calling retention and getting forwarded to 'advanced technical support'). Surprising new numbers: 98s and 95s on stronger transponders and 50s on those which were formerly in the 10s. Installer (who was the same guy who did the initial install) admitted his signal meter COULD NOT RECEIVE 103! I sent him out with cell phone while I read the receiver's numbers. He said afterwords he was amazed with the results and had 'learned something.' BTW, on 101, signal strength numbers are very close to what I had on the H20 connected to the 3LNB. My advice: get a new alignment and demand they keep trying until you get a better signal (demand nicely, I would urge).

Rain Fade is much improved, but (now for the bad news) still have the jerky, jittery problem on MPEG4 sources.

Guys...a little help here. I live in the Cleveland area which does have HD locals, however they do not have the H-20 available here. I'm scheduled to have the HR10-250 installed on Wednesday through American Satallite.

Am I making a mistake doing this? I'm so sick of my malfunctioning SA 8300 cable DVR that I'm willing to give up locals in HD but what if the H-20 becomes available in a month?

Opinions appreciated.

Guys...a little help here. I live in the Cleveland area which does have HD locals, however they do not have the H-20 available here. I'm scheduled to have the HR10-250 installed on Wednesday through American Satallite.

Am I making a mistake doing this? I'm so sick of my malfunctioning SA 8300 cable DVR that I'm willing to give up locals in HD but what if the H-20 becomes available in a month?

Opinions appreciated.
I see you on the Cleve HDTV local website.
I have had the H20 for over 8 months. Whoever told you it was not avilable is incorrect.
The H20-250 DVR isw NOT currently available.
Beware the Ch 19 ,43 are not part of locals.
i would keep my OTA hooked up as Mpeg 4 locals have motion issues.
Contact me personally if you wish.
i owe you as you have given me much information in other thread
DTV is good as I have had it for 11 years

hookbill: I got 2 h-20 receivers from Directv (free) but did not get the 5lnb dish at this time because I would gain zero. Besides you do not get all your locals in HD from this dish. Best to go with a antenna. As of now, there is nothing extra in way of national channels on MPEG4 over MPEG2. I am waiting, probably, for a small dish that will receive 'everything'. Directv must make their system less complicated if they are to compete in the future. By the way, Directvs' own HD recorder is just about to hit the market. It is MPEG4 as well as MPEG2. Best to wait and see how it performs.

Guys...a little help here. I live in the Cleveland area which does have HD locals, however they do not have the H-20 available here.

The H20 is a receiver only, not a DVR
The HR20-250 is the new HD DVR available in select markets for now.
The HR20-250 thread is HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=704067&goto=newpost).

Hey guys, I'm getting the new 5 lnb dish and a h20 installed next week. Any advice on things to look for BEFORE I allow the installer to leave?

The H20 is a receiver only, not a DVR
The HR20-250 is the new HD DVR available in select markets for now.
Select markets? :)

Nitpicky detail: It's my understanding that the newly released Mpeg4 DirecTV DVR (that isn't available to us real folk yet and actually isn't "available" --- in my opinion) is officially referred to as a HR20-700 model. Not a HR20-250.

Just got a H20 hooked up today. Had all the same HDMI blink outs as many of the other Samsung HDTV owners have reported.

Blinking was every 5 seconds on 720p and 1080i...was a bit better at 480p.

The tech downloaded some new s/w to my box (after hooking me up with 2 boxes in a row that had same problem) but that didn't fix anything either. I left things running on the component input for now.

Called DTV support after tech left and got escalated to Tier 2 support and they told me they are expecting new code by mid-September that should fix the HDMI handshaking with the H20 and Samsung TVs.

Has anyone else heard the same story?

Going back to page 120,someone mentioned a computer cooling mat for the hot H20
I bought one from Walmart online and I cannot believe how much cooler the unit runs.
I touch the top of the unit and it is cool.
It was always hot,not burning hot, but hot.
Advice like that is what makes this forum great.
I highly recommend the TARGUS mat.
It is a cheap $20 insurance policy

Just got a H20 hooked up today. Had all the same HDMI blink outs as many of the other Samsung HDTV owners have reported.

Blinking was every 5 seconds on 720p and 1080i...was a bit better at 480p.

The tech downloaded some new s/w to my box (after hooking me up with 2 boxes in a row that had same problem) but that didn't fix anything either. I left things running on the component input for now.

Called DTV support after tech left and got escalated to Tier 2 support and they told me they are expecting new code by mid-September that should fix the HDMI handshaking with the H20 and Samsung TVs.

Has anyone else heard the same story?


Yes mid Sept date sounds about right for the H20-100 HDMI handshake fix rollout.

I have looked around and can't really find the difference between the H20-600 and the H20-100. I have a 600 now and DTV is coming out this weekend to replace it for me. It is doing all the same things you guys are talking about rebooting etc... I just want to know which is better? and if should ask for a 600 or 100. I have a 5 LNB dish and get my locals in HD from DTV (when they work).

Thanks in advance

Iowe41: They are both very good receivers when operating at a..not to hot temperature..The thing here is to keep air flowing around the unit and be sure you air underneath. Put something under 4 feet to get it, at least, one inch off 'floor'..2 inches being better. If you get locals from Directv, I would think either receiver would be ok. The model 100 seems to run..overall..slightly cooler. the 100 seems to be slightly better on bringing in Direct channels while the 600 is slightly better with OTA programming. COOL is the word with both units!

Thanks Richard I appreciate your input.

In the past I ran two tv's with one Sony receiver which split the RF (OUT) to two differant TV's (same channel on both) called MIRRORING. Now Hd20 has no RF (OUT). Is there any way to mirror other than running the video out, 50+ feet to second TV? Thanks for any replies!!

Iowe41: They are both very good receivers when operating at a..not to hot temperature..The thing here is to keep air flowing around the unit and be sure you air underneath. Put something under 4 feet to get it, at least, one inch off 'floor'..2 inches being better. If you get locals from Directv, I would think either receiver would be ok. The model 100 seems to run..overall..slightly cooler. the 100 seems to be slightly better on bringing in Direct channels while the 600 is slightly better with OTA programming. COOL is the word with both units!

I'm curious...How much better is the -100 than the -600 regarding holding Directv signals? It seems the -600 loses the picture more quickly than my older RCA recievers. Also, the signal meter (I know is "supposed" to be about 20 points off) shows 68-80 on all transponders with the exception of #18 which reads 99% signal.

In the past I ran two tv's with one Sony receiver which split the RF (OUT) to two differant TV's (same channel on both) called MIRRORING. Now Hd20 has no RF (OUT). Is there any way to mirror other than running the video out, 50+ feet to second TV? Thanks for any replies!!

Simplest way would be to buy a RF modulator (they are cheap), hook the composite video and audio outs to teh modulator and use your existing cable. This will however not handle any HD

mikelets: I have checked signal strength (On Directv programming) of h-20-100 and h-20-600 models and the difference should make almost no difference in receiving transponders. On a given transponder the 100 may read 70 and the 600 may read about 68..a minor difference. On OTA they are reversed. If you are losing transponders from time to time (searching for signal) your dish probably needs re-alignment. Just remember to keep both receivers operating as cool as possible with air passing underneath each case. They should be raised 1-2 inches off any 'floor'.

techo: I know you are having problems with MPEG4 programming. Just wondering if you are using component connects as there seems to be less problems than going with some other connection. I know of some people who say they have no flickering or dropouts with MPEG4 which sort of tells us something about the system. There could be other things entering the picture to cause your misery.

I called D* to complain about the 'frame dropping' effect I'm observing on mpeg-4 live programs, most notably with the RSN events at channels 96 and 97 of course.

The 2nd level tech wanted me to check my sat strength meter on the 101??. When I reported 53 at TP 28, she wanted to set up a service call. I declined, and said that there are no channels there anyway. She said that it had to with HD channels which I disagreed with according to the widemovies site. I asked her to let me check Sat 103's strength which had 2 TPs at 88 and 89. The rest were all zeroes which I also assume was insignificant.

I really don't think it's my equipment. It's D*. I conveyed to her that I wanted them to know that someone is watching and the quality is terrible in this regard. She said she would pass it on to engineering.

At least for now, I've got OTA and the Yankees are usually on CONUS at Channel 95. I don't watch the Mets, which seem to only be available on 97.

If I was relying on ANY of these channels right now, I'd be extremely disappointed.

Yes mid Sept date sounds about right for the H20-100 HDMI handshake fix rollout.

Pardon a newbie question, but do you have any idea where this info may be announed. I just got a Samsung HDTV and H-100 box, and was unhappy to learn of the HDMI problems first hand. I assume it will be posted to this forum, but it can be difficult searching through this mammoth thread.

Thanks!

In the past I ran two tv's with one Sony receiver which split the RF (OUT) to two differant TV's (same channel on both) called MIRRORING. Now Hd20 has no RF (OUT). Is there any way to mirror other than running the video out, 50+ feet to second TV? Thanks for any replies!!You can use an RF modulator as others have said, or use the RF modulator in a VCR set to LINE input.

Or, just run regular RG6 coax for the A/V cables and put "F-to-RCA" adaptors on the ends. I've did a 75+ ft run like that with no picture quality loss.

mikelets: I have checked signal strength (On Directv programming) of h-20-100 and h-20-600 models and the difference should make almost no difference in receiving transponders. On a given transponder the 100 may read 70 and the 600 may read about 68..a minor difference. On OTA they are reversed. If you are losing transponders from time to time (searching for signal) your dish probably needs re-alignment. Just remember to keep both receivers operating as cool as possible with air passing underneath each case. They should be raised 1-2 inches off any 'floor'.

I checked my -100 and -600 as well. There is no significant difference in satellite signal strength. I have no empirical information on which is a better satellite receiver as I have never had a single second of rain fade on either box since I got them in December of last year. I also do not experience any MPEG4 audio or video dropouts on either receiver that others have complained of.

As noted 30 or 40 times in this forum, the 600 is a slightly better OTA receiver however.

And only slightly better OTA reception.

In my experience with both receivers, the -600 (LG made) has a slight edge in co-channel interference rejection over the -100 (RCA made). This is only important if you have two regional stations operating on the same channel that interfere with each other. Both of these receivers have excellent multipath interference rejection.

The -100 runs significantly cooler and its guide response is much faster than the -600 models.

I finally got my replacement recevier yesterday, and I have a question before I forget it. How do you get the H20 to get PSIP information from over the air, as opposed to the satellite? I have two markets entered in the local markets section, but I get three stations that aren't in those markets. I know there's got to be a way to do it, but I'm at a loss. What are the steps to make this happen?

At times, with a directional antenna some 'markets' will overlap and you will get the stations. Play around with the zip codes; putting in one for the 3 stations. Of course, they may not be as a group. There is no set rules on getting all the digital stations available (as far as I know). I have not tried this myself. Just change zip codes and move antenna toward transmitting toward you want. I do get stations from many directions and have to delete many of them.

I finally got my replacement recevier yesterday, and I have a question before I forget it. How do you get the H20 to get PSIP information from over the air, as opposed to the satellite? I have two markets entered in the local markets section, but I get three stations that aren't in those markets. I know there's got to be a way to do it, but I'm at a loss. What are the steps to make this happen?

You didn't say whether you had a 100 or a 600 version. The 600 seems to get the correct allocation of digital channels, at least for the DFW market I am in. The 100 "found" 15 more channels and subchannels than the 600. All of the "extra" channels it found were not present in adjacent markets so I do not know what information it was looking at. If the PSIP info was sent by D* and it was incorrect, both the 100 and the 600 would have incorrect channels in the OTA lineup. However this was not the case.

All three of my 100s exhibited this bug. All three of my 600s worked fine displaying the channel allocation for the DFW area.

I've got the 600. For example, in the primary market, I enter a zip that is in the Little Rock DMA, and I get all the channel lists for every sation in the DMA. For secondary market, I entered a zip in the Shreveport DMA, and get all the channel lists for that DMA. The thing is, there are two stations I can get in my DMA (Monroe/El Dorado) but I currently don't have my zip entered in. With those two channels it just says Regular Schedule. I just assumed there was a way to get the stations PSIP info OTA, instead of the dish. :)

I had my H20-100 for about a month now (With the LNB-5 Dish) Like most I had the same frame drop out problem with the MPEG-4 Locals. I don't want to jinx it, but the last couple of weeks though, I haven't noticed any PQ problems anymore. Is it possible D* got there act together with the MPEG-4 problems? Has anyone else have a similar experience? BTW this is down in Florida, if that matters!!

Another question for anyone who has HD-DNS out of New York, I've noticed that WCBS-HD and WNBC-HD go off around 11:30 at night, and the message saying the station is unavailable and they are working on the problem comes up. This isnt the case with WABC and WNYW. I know this isnt exactly the right thread for this, but it did kind of puzzle me, and I couldn't find a DNS thread in my searches. Thanks for any info on the questions I've asked :)

When I had a -600, I couldn't get any stations that were not in the 2 ZIP codes I entered (that may have changed with firmware updates - I have no way of knowing) I *hated* that peculiarity of the -600s I had. With my -100, I can leave the local ZIP codes out, do a channel scan, and it will find all the stations available, based on OTA PSIP data, and populate the onscreen guide using PSIP.

Keep playing w/ the ZIP codes to see if you can get the desired stations. Try putting your, uh, "service" address ZIP (e.g. Mena = 71953) in the satellite (not OTA) setup menu (for determining azimuth & elevation) field. Then, put a Shreveport ZIP and a Monroe ZIP in the Primary and Secondary OTA ZIP code fields.

Doing a complete reset (Setup menu - RESET ALL) to clear out everything in the receiver's memory (before doing the ZIP changes), may also help.

On the H20, the Service Menu can be accessed by holding down the MENU key and DOWN arrow keys (on the front of the receiver, not the remote) for 5 seconds. In this menu there's an option for "Normal" and "Special" Installation.

Does anyone know what this is for? Just curious....

arxaw:...well, you could always try 'normal' and 'special' installation and report back, my friend.

I did. I couldn't tell any difference between the two settings. I wonder if maybe it turns off forced upgrades? On some older receivers (e.g. samsungs), this could be done in the service menu, but it had a different name.

Well I entered 71953 in the satellite setup, for primary market, I entered 71018 for Shreveport, and 71701 for Little Rock. I tried entering my zip for Monroe channels, but then I lost the LR ones. I receive more signal from LR than I do from Monroe, so I just changed the zip back to 71701. I guess it doesnt matter if there is a program guide for the two channels I get from Monroe, but it would have been nice :)

Keith,

Evidently, the H20-100 (RCA) has an important advantage here.

With my H20-100, if I enter:
SAT setup ZIP Code:
71953 for Mena (LR DMA)
OTA ZIP Codes:
72701 for Fayetteville (FtSmith/Fay DMA)
72632 for Eureka (it's in the Springfield MO DMA [go figure])

The guide shows:
Sat channels for LR DMA (e.g. 2, 4, 7, 11 etc.)
OTA channels for LR DMA (e.g. 2-n, 4-n, 7-n, 11-n, etc.)
OTA channels for FSM/FAY DMA (e.g. 5-n, 13-n, 29-n, etc.)
OTA channels for Spgfield DMA ( 3-n, 10-n, 21-n, 27-n, 33-n, etc.)

When I scan for OTA channels (w/ antenna), it will also add:
ALL OTA channels it finds, whether they're in the above ZIP codes or not. If they'e not in those ZIPs or if D* hasn't added them to their guide database, the H20-100 will add them to the channel list and populate the guide with program info sent from the station OTA via PSIP.

With the OTA channels I get outside of my area, if I don't have the zip listed for the program guide, it remaps to the analog channel #..

Example -

KNOE is just listed as 8-1, 8-2
KTVE is just listed at 10-1
KETZ is just listed as 12-1, 12-2, 12-3, 12-4

It doesnt really bother me, although it would have been excellent if they could have included a way to get PSIP OTA... really the only ones worth watching in my local market are KETZ and KNOE...KTVE being SD, no stereo sound, and low power. KNOE reception is intermittent at my location, another good reason to have NBC-HD and CBS-HD on *D :)

With the OTA channels I get outside of my area, if I don't have the zip listed for the program guide, it remaps to the analog channel #..

Example -

KNOE is just listed as 8-1, 8-2
KTVE is just listed at 10-1
KETZ is just listed as 12-1, 12-2, 12-3, 12-4

It doesnt really bother me, although it would have been excellent if they could have included a way to get PSIP OTA...
I thought you were saying you couldn't receive channels if they weren't in a ZIP you entered. Those channels above appear to be remapping per the PSIP being generated by the station.

Do you not get program guide info for those? If not, it's because the station isn't providing it. But by law, they are required to do so by a certain date. Not sure when that is, though. May have already passed.....

I don't get the program info..thats that problem. It will remap with the channel number only. These stations do provide the program guide with the PSIP info, because with other OTA HD receivers, the guide shows up on these channels. It's only on the -600 that I don't receiver the program info.

Anyone,

I have an H20 and it recently started to do the reboot thing on any HD channel, not just locals /OTA. Is this in your opinion the beginning of the end of my receiver. I hav a fan blowing across the chassis so heat is not an issue. The box is actually cool to the touch!
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

Sneekpeek

Anyone,

I have an H20 and it recently started to do the reboot thing on any HD channel, not just locals /OTA. Is this in your opinion the beginning of the end of my receiver. I hav a fan blowing across the chassis so heat is not an issue. The box is actually cool to the touch!
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

SneekpeekSounds like the end of the end. Time to call for a replacement, if you already haven't...

Thanks Techno....what a waste!

Thanks Techno....what a waste!Unfortunately it seems to be a fairly common occurrence, so you're not by yourself...

When you call D* a good way to go about getting your receiver replaced is to be polite but insistent. They might want to schedule a home intervention (aka: D* technician service call). As you might guess from my screen name, I'd avoid that myself... Unless you're feeling masochistic today. :D

Some people make up stories about how the receiver is almost ready to catch fire (etc) but it seems to me that simply being truthful and telling the CSR that it doesn't work should be good enough --- especially given the receivers' pitiful track record for failing. If you get a recalcitrant CSR who isn't easy to get along with, hang up and call back. They have been known to act up on occasion.

D* should ship it to you for free and I have read here on the forum that they no longer always want to have the old (defective) unit shipped back to them. But, if they do want it back, they should send a pick-up ticket and pay the return shipping.

Good luck. :)

I've been noticing on my H20 -100 that on all games that are aired on the NFL Network (channel 212), it is listed as HD but in reality, the program is in SD. Is everyone else getting the same thing?

I've been noticing on my H20 -100 that on all games that are aired on the NFL Network (channel 212), it is listed as HD but in reality, the program is in SD. Is everyone else getting the same thing?

Yes I noticed this too. Looked all over the guide for an HD simulcast and could not find one. Do some not notice the difference?

Never trust the [HD] logo in the guide.

sneekpeek,

Is yours an H20-100 or H20-600? (Look inside the access card door).

My first H20-100 went into terminal reboot today. I declared it dead and called D* for a replacement. They will FedEx it to me Tuesday with a prepaid shipping label for returning the latest corpse.

I had two H20-600s die before this -100 died, so as of Tuesday I will be on my fourth H20. I replaced one H20 with an old Samsung TS-160.

arxaw: Sorry, you are having lots of problems with H-20 receivers. To date, I have had almost zero problems with my 2 receivers..one a 100 and one a 600. It seems quality control was certainly lacking at the factory for these units. And they must be turned out very cheaply as there have been many returned. I expect to have problems in the future with these units. But, so far, so good.

arxaw,

It is an H20-600. I have called D* and a replacement is on the way. The funny thing is that th CSR said he could find very little information on the reboot issue! I really like this receiver and hate to go through all the hassles. Also the CSR said D* will have a software fix to resolve this problem in October. Anyway, thanks to TECHFOBE for his advice as well as the rest of you.

A friend's H20-100 started acting "weird" about the same time mine started rebooting for no reason. He said his problems started when the "ACTIVE" software update was downloaded and the "ACTIVE" button began functioning. I wasn't aware that this was working yet.

He also said that in addition to the guide and menus being sluggish now (almost as slow as the -600 models), his remote acts differently. For instance, on the -100 models, previously you could enter "29" and the box would go to channel 29-1. Now, he says he has to enter 2 9 dash 1 to get to the channel.

Since my H20-100 is now toast, I can't confirm any of this. Anyone else notice any recent changes in GUI speed or changes in the way the box responds to remote commands?

I thought the latest firmware version for the H20-100 was 100c as per DBSTalk.com Firmware Versions for H20 (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=61123) and the interactive functions were not activated.

The way my my channel tuning works is if I'm in the guide and I hit '29' for example it'll go to 29.1 if there is only a 29.1 in my guide. However if I'm not in the guide, entering '29' will send me to the first Channel 29, which is a D* SD version.

mikeny,
The person who told me this does not get 29 (SD) from D* because it is outside the DMA for his address, so D* doesn't offer it to him. He only gets 29-1 HD OTA. Previously with the H20-100, you could access an OTA HD channel not available on D* by just hitting 29. Since the H20-100 can't tune analog channels, it would intuitively go to 29-1. He says that feature is gone on his -100. He now has to enter 2 9 - 1. In addition to that, and the sluggishness of his menus now, he also said the fonts in the channel banners look different now - similar to the older fonts, but "fatter" or bolded and not quite as sharp.

His H20's ACTIVE button works and he can pull up local weather info and maps with it, as well as access the MIX channels and some other lame crap (I saw it today). If anyone else's ACTIVE button is working, please post.

I can't test mine because my H20 is dead.

OK, sorry if this has been covered already or is a basic question. I searched and couldn't find a clear answer.

On the H20, when I set the format output to 1080i, shouldn't the device send all signals out as 1080i and fill my whole screen? I ask because I am getting bars on the side of the screen - looks like a 4x3 format. Even when watching something like Universal HD, during some commercials I get the black bars, then I get them again when something is not in HD. The only way to fill the screen is to set my TV to 1080i wide, not 1080i standard. I don't want the bars on the side for anything I watch - is this possible?

Just got an HD TV and will be upgraded to the H20/AT-9 next week and have a question. What is the benefit of running the OTA signal into the H20, then to the TV. I have the OTA signal running right into my TV now. Is it so that you don't have to switch sources on the TV to go between "Air" and D*? How is the OTA picture after running through the H20? Thanks.

Flyer 1: When set to 1080i, programming in HD, will be shown in HD. On Universal HD, commercials are generally not in HD> My view it is better to view the programming as it was recorded. If something is forced wide screen it is always distorted to a degree. Of course, with controls on a TV, you can generally make something wide screen that is not supposed to be wide screen, if you chose.

Just got an HD TV and will be upgraded to the H20/AT-9 next week and have a question. What is the benefit of running the OTA signal into the H20, then to the TV. I have the OTA signal running right into my TV now. Is it so that you don't have to switch sources on the TV to go between "Air" and D*? How is the OTA picture after running through the H20? Thanks.One advantage of running the antenna through the H20 is that all your channels (sat and OTA) are integrated into one seamless tuning guide. And as you said, it eliminates input switching. All the OTA channels are below ch 69. All the D* channels are 70 and above. Just hit Ch UP or ch DN to go through all the OTA & D channels.

OTA picture quality output on a functioning H20 is generally excellent, and should be on par with using your TV's built in OTA tuner. And the H20 has one of the best OTA tuners available.

Another benefit of running OTA through the DTV receiver is the channel guide will then show what's on.

Flyer 1: When set to 1080i, programming in HD, will be shown in HD. On Universal HD, commercials are generally not in HD> My view it is better to view the programming as it was recorded. If something is forced wide screen it is always distorted to a degree. Of course, with controls on a TV, you can generally make something wide screen that is not supposed to be wide screen, if you chose.

Richard - Thanks for the reply. So if I have it set for 1080i and something is being shown that is not in HD, the box/set will format the screen to the resolution of the content, 480i or whatever it is - is that correct?

I was hoping I could set it, much like I did with my SD DVR, where the content filled the screen. With the SD DVR I could have it set to 480i standard (4x3 black bars on the side), or multiple other options - the one I like the best was 480i stretch - it filled the screen and looked pretty good, I didn't lose content on the sides/edges. IT seems I can do this with the 1080i, but would just need to set to 1080 wide - which looks a little distorted. I guess I will have ot live with it. :(

One last question: Does it matter what input I use? I have it setup on both the DVI interface as well the the component interface - I really can't see much of a differecnce in picture quality!

Resolution and format are different animals. A channel will not change resolution. Channels that don't do HD are 480i. Most channels that do HD are 1080i. ESPN, Fox, and ABC are examples of channels that do 720p on their HD channels. Many channels that do HD also include SD programming in their lineup including commercials. Such programming has to be upconverted in resolution, resulting in upcoversion artifacts, and changed from 4:3 to 16:9 in aspect ratio. Most have side bars added. Rarely, the picture is just stretched. TNTHD unevenly distorts the picture by stretching the ends more so the center looks more normal. The TV and receiver cannot detect format (aspect ratio) changes in material as it is part of the picture material the broadcaster sends out. They can detect resolution changes and add sidebars, crop or stretch the picture according to the user's menu settings for handling of 480i material.

Trust your eyes as far as what input to use. Beauty is still in the eye of the beholder. Some premium or PPV HD material may be down rezzed to 480i in the future over component lines because component cannot handle HDCP copy protection. Since there are virtually zero consumer devices that can record HD over component, it isn't an immediate likelihood. Set your receiver to upconvert channel 201 to 1080i or 720p and your TV should receive 480i over component inputs though. 201 is an HDCP test channel.

Thanks for the info. I hadn't thought about the programming guide being available. When I get installed, I will try going through the H20.

bytor62,
One case where you might want to use the TV's tuner instead of the H20 is if there's a channel the H20 can't receive OTA for some reason. But it's unlikely that your TV will have a better OTA tuner than the H20.

Set your receiver to upconvert channel 201 to 1080i or 720p and your TV should receive 480i over component inputs though. 201 is an HDCP test channel.

Thanks for all the info. So if I'm on channel 201, on my component input I would see 480i, but on my DVI inout I would see 1080i? I'll check that out.

Richard - Thanks for the reply. So if I have it set for 1080i and something is being shown that is not in HD, the box/set will format the screen to the resolution of the content, 480i or whatever it is - is that correct?
No.
If you set the box to 1080i (with NATIVE setting OFF), all channels 480i/p,720p,1080i will be upconverted and sent to your TV as 1080i. You can Zoom (crop setting) or stretch 4:3 480i channels with the box to fill your 16:9 screen. But all 720p/1080i HD channels are always sent as 16:9. If they happen to be sending a program that was shot in 4:3, they nearly always insert black gray or colored bars on either side of the 4:3 picture, to fill out the 16:9 frame. On some TVs you can override this and stretch, zoom, crop,distort the 4:3720p/1080i image to fit your wide screen. This is a function of the TV, NOT the HD receiver. If your TV can't do this, blame it - not the HD receiver.

One last question: Does it matter what input I use? I have it setup on both the DVI interface as well the the component interface - I really can't see much of a differecnce in picture quality!
It only matters if your own eyes can tell a difference in PQ.

Flyer 1: A good example is ESPN-HD programming. Most programming will be in HD, wide screen picture. Some programming (recorded and otherwise) will be shown in 4:3 format (with 'fancy' bars' to extend the 'picture' to its' edges on your wide screen. This programming is not HD (with actual picture less than wide screen (also resolution will be lower). Some channels, such as TNT (at times) will fill the whole wide screen with a digital picture even though it is only 4;3 in reality. This will never appear 'quite right'. As for myself, I always prefer seeing the picture as it was meant to be seen, be it in 4:3 or wide screen, with no distortion. I just hope, years from now, we will get a 50 percent wider screen.

greywolf: Good answer above. Hey, was wondering..you say you can not record HD over component connects, which I use. The local cable company has a HD recorder. So, as far as you know, do all cable company modems allow HD recording over DVI/HDMI connections only?..and not over component connects? ..I suppose all HD modems/ receivers would have the latest in connections for HD recording. I now have Directv but may change to cable in future as there are savings that do add up. Much cheaper to get cable internet if you also order cable programming. Our cable company is slowly adding more HD programming. They are also upgrading their system throughout.

No.
If you set the box to 1080i (with NATIVE setting OFF), all channels 480i/p,720p,1080i will be upconverted and sent to your TV as 1080i.

ok, I guess this is where my confusion comes in. I though that if the receiver was set to 1080i, it would send any signal it receives to the TV set as a 1080i signal and as such would automatically be 16x9 and fill my screen. But this is not what always happens and this is what I don't like.

Flyer 1: A good example is ESPN-HD programming. Most programming will be in HD, wide screen picture. Some programming (recorded and otherwise) will be shown in 4:3 format (with 'fancy' bars' to extend the 'picture' to its' edges on your wide screen. This programming is not HD (with actual picture less than wide screen (also resolution will be lower).

This I have seen an it made sense to me because I assumed the fancy bars were there because the program was not HD, but the bars were sent as part of the content, so no need to "fill" the screen with a stretch because the bars were performing this action. But if something is not HD and bars are not part of the content should the receiver, set to 1080, send me a 1080 signal and format as 16x9?

Sorry for being a PITA! If I make no sense, don't worry about it...I'll play with the receiver and learn more about it over the next few days - don't want t hijack the thread with my misunderstanding :confused:

... I assumed the fancy bars were there because the program was not HD, but the bars were sent as part of the content, so no need to "fill" the screen with a stretch because the bars were performing this action. But if something is not HD and bars are not part of the content should the receiver, set to 1080, send me a 1080 signal and format as 16x9?
The bars are always there if programming is 4:3 and sent on a 720p or 1080i channel, which are always 16:9. If the bars aren't "fancy", they're black or gray, but they are there, doing their job of filling up the part of the screen not being used. They are part of the image being sent and the receiver is sending it on to your TV as received.

Some 16:9 TVs will zoom & crop, stretch or perform various distortions on any programming and make it bigger, even if it's already 16:9 programming (including 4:3 stuff with sidebars sent as a 16:9 image). The fact that your TV can't zoom something already being sent as 16:9 is a fault of your TV - not the receiver.

When shopping for a TV next time, make sure it can do everything you want it to do. Otherwise, you end up with situations like this.

The bars are always
Some 16:9 TVs will zoom & crop, stretch or perform various distortions on any programming and make it bigger, even if it's already 16:9 programming (including 4:3 stuff with sidebars sent as a 16:9 image). The fact that your TV can't zoom something already being sent as 16:9 is a fault of your TV - not the receiver.

When shopping for a TV next time, make sure it can do everything you want it to do. Otherwise, you end up with situations like this.

You seem annoyed :rolleyes: I wasn't blaming the receiver or the TV I was just asking. If it's HD it does fill the screen, but if it's not HD and sent as 16x9 then I thought it would fill. I can fill the screen if I use the "Wide" setting.

you must have the best TV ever - sorry if I don't equal up to your greatness :eek:

No need to reply - I''l drop the subject, lol

I'm not annoyed, I was just trying to explain something that you didn't seem to understand.

And my HDTV is neither state of the art nor top of the line. But I did make sure it had the zoom featue, in case I ever wanted to use it. The only time I do use the feature is when a station or network has put animated moving colors or logos in the sidebars (e.g. GMA on ABC). Normally, I prefer to watch programming in original aspect ratio.

consider the subject dropped.

I have an H20, which was fed by a 3 LNB dish, and I just added a 5 LNB dish. I am in the Los Angeles market. How do I access the MPEG 4 local channels? I get CBS, NBC, etc in the 80s. those are still MPEG 2, right?
Los Angeles has both streams active for now.

I have an H20, which was fed by a 3 LNB dish, and I just added a 5 LNB dish. I am in the Los Angeles market. How do I access the MPEG 4 local channels? I get CBS, NBC, etc in the 80s. those are still MPEG 2, right?
Los Angeles has both streams active for now.

Channels in the 80s are MPEG2. The MPEG4 channels will be listed as channel 2, 4, 5, etc for the LA area. Try the antenna set up again from the beginning and put in your correct zip code.

Just got a replacement H20-100 for my H20-600 which was heated like a furnace. Yes, the H20-100 runs much cooler and the guide is a lot faster. The only problem I'm having is that the HDMI output does not work with my HDTV, giving me a blank screen (the HDMI output on the H20-600 worked fine with my TV). When I called customer retention about this, they stated this is a known problem with the HDMI between the H20-100 and older tv's and D*is working on a software fix. She said the software fix is expected in September. She was clearly reading this information right off her screen. I normally never trust a CSR, but am I to believe this one?

Just got a replacement H20-100 for my H20-600 which was heated like a furnace. Yes, the H20-100 runs much cooler and the guide is a lot faster. The only problem I'm having is that the HDMI output does not work with my HDTV, giving me a blank screen (the HDMI output on the H20-600 worked fine with my TV). When I called customer retention about this, they stated this is a known problem with the HDMI between the H20-100 and older tv's and D*is working on a software fix. She said the software fix is expected in September. She was clearly reading this information right off her screen. I normally never trust a CSR, but am I to believe this one?

My HDMI output works great on all 3 100s and all 3 600s that I have had so far. I have a 2 year old Panny plasma. If it doesn't work on your current setup, connect it via component and call for another swap. There is no guarantee which you will get next, a 100 or a 600. Don't get into a troubleshooting session because the CSRs don't really know what is supposed to work, or how. Just tell them its locking up and you need a replacement sent overnight. Be nice, but firm.

My HDMI output works great on my 100 and my 600. I have a 2 year old Panny plasma. If it doesn't work on your current setup, connect it via component and call for another swap. There is no guarantee which you will get next, a 100 or a 600. Don't get into a troubleshooting session because the CSRs don't really know what is supposed to work, or how. Just tell them its locking up and you need a replacement sent overnight. Be nice, but firm.

Thanks, but this seems to be a known problem with the -100 model. My tv is four years old. Others with newer Samsung tv's are having the same problem. I think I'll wait for the software fix (I am using component until then) and see what happens.

Anyone,

I have an H20 and it recently started to do the reboot thing on any HD channel, not just locals /OTA. Is this in your opinion the beginning of the end of my receiver. I hav a fan blowing across the chassis so heat is not an issue. The box is actually cool to the touch!
Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated.

Sneekpeek
Didn't see this anywhere so I thought I'd add my 2 cents...

My H20 started rebooting constantly a month ago. At first I dealt with it, but with college football starting I wasn't going to deal with it anymore. I talked to directv support and they're sending me a replacement. The issue (they say) is software related, but the update won't be available until mid October so they're shipping me a new (probably meaning updated box).

So my H20 resets finally hit an all time high of 5 times in one hour - called tech support and they offered me a new unit but said it's firmware issue and not hardware - supposed fix by mid-October but no guarantees.. Anyway had them switch out the H20 and put my trusty Samsung SIR-TS160 back on-line. At least i can watch in peace w/out constant resetting.

In talking w/ customer service, it seems this is becoming a nation-wide problem. Am really thinking about going w/ Verizon FIOS now...

Without going thru the 125 pages I have two questions for my brother (who finally seen the light about HD).

1) Have the bugs been worked out with the H20 yet?
2) Are there any deals for existing Directv subscribers for the H20?

Without going thru the 125 pages I have two questions for my brother (who finally seen the light about HD).

1) Have the bugs been worked out with the H20 yet?
2) Are there any deals for existing Directv subscribers for the H20?1. Shouldn't need to read 125 pages to answer your first question. For example, just read the immediately preceding post. :) With that said, it isn't realistic to expect every bug to be worked out... But, speaking personally and IMHO, the D* Mpeg4 locals are NOT even close to being high-quality HD.

2. Yes, there are lots of "deals". Anywhere from full price (or maybe more) to no charge with lots of "free" programming thrown in. Dealing with the customer retention department seems to be a path to the best deals if you are currently "one of our Best Customers". Good luck.

If you want to get the big picture though, there is no substitute for wading thru all of the posts here. :D

TechFobe,

Give you the run down on my H20. D* said they would send a replacement but it turned out to be a remanufactured H20-600. This made me a little upset because I had purchased my original H20! Called D* back and with a little explaining and "coaxing" I was sent a new receiver. This one is a H20-100. Far superior to the other (so far). D* now has a happy customer once again. Thanks again for your input.

Without going thru the 125 pages I have two questions for my brother (who finally seen the light about HD).
2) Are there any deals for existing Directv subscribers for the H20?

Seems like the "norm" is $99 upgrade fee and maybe some HD Directv package programming thrown in. Your mileage may vary though......

I get red rectangles or green rectangles or yellow bars during programs on Channel 4 Boston Area. I have heard that this is a problem, but with what equipment and what is the solution. I can't even get a tech from D* to show up as scheduled?

I get red rectangles or green rectangles or yellow bars during programs on Channel 4 Boston Area. I have heard that this is a problem, but with what equipment and what is the solution. I can't even get a tech from D* to show up as scheduled?

I also live in the Boston area and the same thing happens to me. H20-600 unit. I have over the air and go directly into my other TV and no issues of course.

That's it!!! I'm fed up with paying for repairs, random reboots and other problems with the H20-600 boxes, the H10 and my previous TS-360 boxes. I'm putting out money and wasting time. I think it's time to look at cable.

That's it!!! I'm fed up with paying for repairs, random reboots and other problems with the H20-600 boxes, the H10 and my previous TS-360 boxes. I'm putting out money and wasting time. I think it's time to look at cable.
Brace yourself...based on several neighbors with the newest digital HD cable boxes, you're in for quite a roller-coaster ride. :eek:

It's unfortunate that you've had equipment problems. Obviously those who do complain while those of us who don't generally don't have issues don't take the time to say "all is well". My H20 has not run hot, not rebooted, and not been any problem since it was installed a year ago.

We'll also have to see if the new HR20 DVR's work out better. So far, several hundred user reports reflect good things wiht those boxes. I'm keeping my H20, and also getting an HR20.

Ok, I have a question, and it may be a dumb one at that, but i just dont have the time to read through 125 pages of this thread.

Scenario........i just purchased a new 42" vizio plasma tv (42HDTV10A), and just got DIRECTTV installed into my condo. I got the new DTV HD BOX, which is silver and has 4 different settings on the front (420,720,1080,etc). I am curious as to what mode i should have my box set at? 1080? Is there much of a difference? Am i just missing something here? Just help me out a little in terms of setting up my DTV HD BOX correctly with my tv.

** i am using a HDMI cable directly from my dtv box ----> vizio.

thanks

I got the new DTV HD BOX, which is silver and has 4 different settings on the front (420,720,1080,etc). I am curious as to what mode i should have my box set at? 1080? Is there much of a difference? Am i just missing something here? Just help me out a little in terms of setting up my DTV HD BOX correctly with my tv.

** i am using a HDMI cable directly from my dtv box ----> vizio.

thanks

See which one looks best, the 720 or 1080 and go with that one. I use 1080 on my Sony XBR960. Turn Native off and uncheck the 420 and 720.

Anyone else having problem of screen freezing just for second then fast jump to regular viewing. Mine really does it on the shopping channels. Very annoying.
Also one of my 600 unit has starting rebooting since last upgade.
Had one 600 returned and sent a refurb one which seems to run cooler.
The freezing problem is very short but this too has happened since the June-July update.

W.C.

Thanks for any help!

Hi All:

So DirecTV called and informed me that both of my Sony SAT HD200 receivers would cease to work and said that I would need to swap both of them of them out, free of charge.

A quick call confirmed that the receivers they are offering are the H20 models, and I scheduled an installation date for later this week, but now, after reading many of the comments posted here, I am not sure if this is such a good idea....

A couple of quick questions though...and forgive me if these have been answered before, but I only had time to go through the previous two pages of this thread:

1. On my HD200 receivers, I have the option of setting the output to 480i, 720p, or 1080i. I normally just leave it set to 480i, and when I want to watch HD I just switch it manually to 1080i. Do the H20 model receivers also offer the same option, or is all non-HD material automatically upconverted?

2. If I decide to wait while all the bugs on the H20's are worked out, how long will my HD200 receivers continue to work?

-Samuel

I read somewhere that the KaKu dish has a built in antenna. I am curious to know if this antenna would work with the H20 Off-air antenna hook-up? If so how? & proper hook-up?

I am having issues with my locals thru the 5LNB and want to find a work around until the D* tech comes out to fix this problem.

I dont believe my setup in the H20 was for the antenna, just the 5LNB.

Thanx to anyone with info to share...

The AT9 dish does not include any integrated off-air antenna. You have to add your own. My neighbor recently had an AT9 plus external off-air antenna installed by Directv, and they used a duplexer to send both signals (dish + antenna) to the receiver.

The off-air antenna they used was only a 2-bay bowtie antenna. I'm amazed it works. I use an 8-bay bowtie antenna here.

Good luck,
Al Rovner

The H20-700 is teh new one coming out.. Is there another one? This is teh one that records and gets local with the new dish. I must be missing something.

Is this like a tivo?

I had a UHF ota installed (expensive) and now get the locals in HD ota. I have the signal split and it goes to the H20 and therefore can be selected through the guide or just type the channel number it also goes direct to the TV's tuner so I don't have to turn on the H20. It works beautifully either way. My locals through the AT9 5lnb dish are crappy and two techs from D* can't fix the problems. I swear the techs for D* are brain dead. The last tech says I have a tree in the way, but never took out any sighting instrument to verify it. The first tech didn't use one either, but the local that installed my UHF did and also walked all around the roof with the meter attached and the antenna in his hand. Where do D* get their techs. Monday it's another call to D* and maybe there is such a thing as a technical supervisor. What's the direct number to customer retention?

I've had an H20 for a little over a month now. It seems to work great when tuning in the 70's for those HD channels like ESPN, HDNET, etc. However, I can't seem to get my locals (FOX, CBS, ABC, NBC) very often in HD. There can be up to 4 different channels for each broadcast local - i.e. 4 slots for channel 2, 4 for CBS, etc. I can tell that one is normal broadcast, and 1 or maybe more are for the HD feed for that channel, like 5-1 for example.

Any ideas as to why my H20 isn't receiving these locals in HD when the HD program is airing at that specific time? I'm fully aware that the HR10-250 will not tune off air channels and locals in MPEG4, but the H20 is supposed to decode MPEG4.

I'm confused.

Thanks,

DH

...Any ideas as to why my H20 isn't receiving these locals in HD when the HD program is airing at that specific time? I'm fully aware that the HR10-250 will not tune off air channels and locals in MPEG4, but the H20 is supposed to decode MPEG4
Make sure you have a 5LNB dish (AT9).
Make sure the H20 is setup for a 5LNB dish. Go through the guided step-by-step dish setup menu.

If I decide to wait while all the bugs on the H20's are worked out, how long will my HD200 receivers continue to work?
They will continue to work. Only difference is, you cannot get local HD channels over satellite with the HD200. You need the H20 plus a new bigger 5LNB dish to get the HD locals via sat.

If your current OTA antenna works fine for HD locals on the HD200s and you're not having problems with the HD200s, I would keep them and the smaller dish for now. The H20s and MPEG4 locals are very buggy.

The H20s do have the resolution (480, 720, 1080) selector.

I've definitely got the KaKu 5 LNB dish; it was installed the same day the H20 was delivered. I'll double check the H20 to make sure it's setup for the 5 LNB dish as well.

Thanks,

DH

Appears shipping for the H20 DVR has begun.

In my case the satellite signals for the locals in HD are the ones that appear first in the channel guide e.g. 4, BN4, 4-1, 4-2; the first 4 is the satellite HD of CBS the second 4 is the low def signal of CBS, the 4-1 is the HD signal from my ota antenna, and the 4-2 is a continous doppler signal from the local channel WBZ. I presume yours must be much the same.

Response I received from D* regarding interactive features of the H20.


Subject H20 receiver Discussion Thread
Response (Arlene) 09/01/2006 10:34 PM Dear Mr.

Thanks for writing. I'm sorry but the DIRECTV H20 receiver does not have the interactive feature yet. If you would like to add an interactive receiver, you can order one by calling (800) 531-5000. Please be aware that when you connect your receiver the interactive features may not work automatically. There is nothing wrong with your receiver; it simply needs to download the interactive software. If after several days you are still unable to use the interactive service please let us know. If you would like to learn more about DIRECTV Active you can find some helpful information at the DIRECTV Technical Help forums. Just visit http://forums.directv.com/pe/index.jsp to find answers to your questions.

We're excited to bring you these complimentary new features which allow you to view multiple channels on one screen, check your local weather, and get the latest news about DIRECTV and more.

Thanks again for writing and stay tuned to DIRECTV.com for the latest news and information about our services.

Sincerely,

Arlene
DIRECTV Customer Service
09/01/2006 09:11 AM DIRECTV FEEDBACK MESSA


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Details: When will the upgrade occur to make the H20 receiver interactive? NFL Sunday Ticket Superfan begins on Sept. 10th and my H20 receiver is basically useless without this upgrade.