gmansixfo
10-07-08, 03:50 AM
Hey what happened to the Dreamcast? :p
In my closet chillin with my ps2 lol. I still bring it out for some MVC2 occasionally.
In my closet chillin with my ps2 lol. I still bring it out for some MVC2 occasionally.
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View Full Version : So, post your 360 screenshots and tv u r using gmansixfo 10-07-08, 03:50 AM Hey what happened to the Dreamcast? :p In my closet chillin with my ps2 lol. I still bring it out for some MVC2 occasionally. RAVEN56706 10-07-08, 09:29 AM Hey what happened to the Dreamcast? :p he never had dreamcast..He had Gamecast LOL RTRic 10-07-08, 07:08 PM he never had dreamcast..He had Gamecast LOL GameCast? Well, there's GameCube and then there's Dreamcast. Which you got? ;) mrTAPOUT 10-08-08, 04:29 AM 2k9 is truly the best bball game I have played. Never played a sports game that mimiced real life so much. Props to 2K. First year it looks better than live also. If you look closely at the second to last pic, you could see sweat coming off his head as he slams the ball. The textures in this game are amazing. Ill try to take better shots next time, my exposure was throwing some of these shots off. Great shots Joe and eko http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9582.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9596.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9604.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9606.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9609.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9614.jpg RAVEN56706 10-08-08, 07:55 AM holy crap... from those screenshots, that looks so real.... sucks that 2k sports doesnt have a football license mikeloxlong 10-08-08, 12:53 PM http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9609.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9614.jpg uncanny valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley) anyone? I know that the 2nd picture above (or last picture in the set) was CG just because of the way the eyes are positioned. With the Kobe shot, the sweat, the right lighting as well as textile and skin texture, it could have fooled me or anyone if they were just glancing at it. how are the controls? sloppy tight? gameplay is huge as I thought that 2k7 was fun but never really got into 2k8 so here's to hoping that 2k9 will be awesome BFJ 96 10-08-08, 06:33 PM ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All those shots including the 2 you quoted are from in-game replays. No CG Big Brad 10-08-08, 07:53 PM I don't think that was his point. I think his point was that computer generated images in games and movies are getting to the point where they are reaching the Uncanny Valley. However, I've yet to see a game or movie that can implement eyes properly. But one could argue that it is CG due to the fact that it is computer generated. At its core, it's nothing but a bunch of polys with textures. -Brad mrTAPOUT 10-08-08, 10:35 PM uncanny valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_Valley) anyone? I know that the 2nd picture above (or last picture in the set) was CG just because of the way the eyes are positioned. With the Kobe shot, the sweat, the right lighting as well as textile and skin texture, it could have fooled me or anyone if they were just glancing at it. how are the controls? sloppy tight? gameplay is huge as I thought that 2k7 was fun but never really got into 2k8 so here's to hoping that 2k9 will be awesome Are you meaning you know it was CG and not real life or its is prerendered and not ingame? With the exception of depth of field, replays look exactly like gameplay. They are getting closer, thats for sure. 2k9 is the closest to real life as I have seen a game reach. Controls are tight, best bball game i have played. I dont know what viper was thinking when he said live is better. to each his own though CaCHooKa Man 10-08-08, 11:01 PM my copy of 2k9 is probably coming in tomorrow. i cant wait. i played it the other day on my friends kuro and it looked great. ive had every 2k game for the past 9 years already. live isnt allowed in my household. mikeloxlong 10-08-08, 11:26 PM CG meaning it came from a computer and not actual. I don't care that it's in game replays or what not. My point being that it's not real life. That being said, this is an amazing looking game and I look forward to my purchase in the very near future. more shots please! neverfaithful 10-09-08, 12:42 AM Yea @K9 looks great but I heard they changed the commentators, I hope they kept Kenny in there at least. neverfaithful 10-09-08, 12:47 AM Looks like we are all going to have a fun winter sitting home this year playing all these great new games coming out, COD WAR, 2K9, NBA Live (if u dare), Gears or War, Tiger 09, Madden 09, wow, and a new Blu-ray player for Xbox 360 for 100- 150 bucks. resante 10-09-08, 08:46 AM Yea @K9 looks great but I heard they changed the commentators, I hope they kept Kenny in there at least. Nope, he's out PENDRAG0ON 10-09-08, 10:38 AM p.s. Fallout 3 pics coming tonight B) I dislike you with great intensity. :mad: (read, "I am insanely jealous and wish that I had the game") BFJ 96 10-09-08, 04:27 PM CG meaning it came from a computer and not actual. I don't care that it's in game replays or what not. My point being that it's not real life. That being said, this is an amazing looking game and I look forward to my purchase in the very near future. more shots please! Ah gotcha... Were getting close my friend. http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/bigfnjoe96/IMG_2875.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b329/bigfnjoe96/IMG_2877.jpg mikeloxlong 10-09-08, 04:35 PM I hate lazy eyes!!! ARGHH!H!HH!!! but the textures are so cool! I mean, look at the lighting, the lighting and how it reflects off of skin while there's a little sweat, no sweat or a lot of sweat. neverfaithful 10-10-08, 02:18 AM Nope, he's out ohhhh noo Kenny is out of the game as a commentator? damn that sucks, so who are the commentators now? Kenny made the game more fun to me. neverfaithful 10-10-08, 02:23 AM I'll wait for an announcement before I get excited about a blu-ray player for 360........ though I probably still wont get excited because you'll be limited to DD+ for audio just like HD DVD which sucks pretty hard They did make an announcement heres a link: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/10/09/xbox360_bluray/ Yea tru, but maybe they can get a codec for TruHD. I prolly wont get it since I have a PS3 already, It would just be over kill. Happy Gaming. :D mikeloxlong 10-11-08, 11:52 AM anyone got screenshots of them using an Optoma HD80? Nayhova 10-11-08, 06:39 PM I can agree with both sides on the topic of piracy and I can see how it can ruffle some feathers but the bottom line is it isnt going anywhere. It will happen forever and there is nothing anyone can do about it. There are maybe a little under 10% of 360 owners that pirate games unlike PC gamers which is up in the higher 40-60%. So yes I agree its wrong in some way but so is burning a cd and a dvd but that goes on every day all over the world. So the people that want to buy games do so and the ones that get there pirate on keep pushing. Heres some pics of my updated setups. swolgam 10-11-08, 07:32 PM I can agree with both sides on the topic of piracy and I can see how it can ruffle some feathers but the bottom line is it isnt going anywhere. It will happen forever and there is nothing anyone can do about it. There are maybe a little under 10% of 360 owners that pirate games unlike PC gamers which is up in the higher 40-60%. So yes I agree its wrong in some way but so is burning a cd and a dvd but that goes on every day all over the world. So the people that want to buy games do so and the ones that get there pirate on keep pushing. Heres some pics of my updated setups. Nice projector screen. Did you make that yourself? Seen you have a very updated picture from the game today. Are you from Ohio? Mike Lang 10-11-08, 08:05 PM We just sent a pirate off the plank. Spread the word, these types of posts will not be allowed on AVS. spyder696969 10-11-08, 09:41 PM Heres some pics of my updated setups... (Referring to attached image #2) I guess you don't have any little ones around with that PJ on the table? PARASITE 10-11-08, 11:05 PM Fable 2 is not "out" yet. Yah I know, I have a preorder for fable 2, but I could switch it to fallout. I really dont want to buy both unless they are both really good. Which one would you guys get? KernalROM 10-11-08, 11:08 PM I have a feeling they are both going to be outstanding games! You might have to get 'em both after all! Kysersose 10-12-08, 12:33 AM Smarten up with the piracy talk. Kyser Fanaticalism 10-12-08, 03:06 AM We just sent a pirate off the plank. Spread the word, these types of posts will not be allowed on AVS. Smarten up with the piracy talk. Kyser What did I miss? Someone got banned? Nayhova 10-12-08, 03:46 AM Nice projector screen. Did you make that yourself? Seen you have a very updated picture from the game today. Are you from Ohio? Yea im in Columbus and no I did not make that screen myself. It was part of me bundle I purchased from ProjectionDiscount.com. They are kinda slow because its a mom and pop owned business but their prices are great. Nayhova 10-12-08, 03:47 AM (Referring to attached image #2) I guess you don't have any little ones around with that PJ on the table? My kids are a bit older, my son is 5 and my daughter is 8 so no worries. The table is very sturdy tho and the PJ has more than enough room. RTRic 10-12-08, 08:07 AM What did I miss? Someone got banned? So it seems. rocketknight73 10-12-08, 10:56 AM Viper..his quotes are here but original posts are not PARASITE 10-12-08, 01:27 PM That really is ashame. If he would of just posted his screen shots and not mention how he got his games, he probally would still be here. thejokell 10-12-08, 02:16 PM That really is ashame. If he would of just posted his screen shots and not mention how he got his games, he probally would still be here. Technically other people brought up how he got them - he always just posted the screens by themselves. And in all honesty, this thread will be pretty dead now without Viper. He posted the majority of the shots in here lately. TomGreen321 10-12-08, 02:27 PM He never rarely said how he got them but when you post shots from games a month before release you're an idiot. All he had to do was wait until release, instead of showing off. formulanerd 10-12-08, 02:30 PM He never rarely said how he got them but when you post shots from games a month before release you're an idiot. All he had to do was wait until release, instead of showing off. have to agree completely here.... he could have even said he works for a gaming site and gets early copies for review, or something along those lines. mikeloxlong 10-12-08, 03:11 PM He never rarely said how he got them but when you post shots from games a month before release you're an idiot. All he had to do was wait until release, instead of showing off. yep, he openly admitted that he didn't legally procure said games and posts screenies of it well in advance of the game...that's just asking for trouble...period p.s. I liked the line "pirate walked the plank" http://www.walktheplank.org.uk/images/footer.gif longhorns 10-13-08, 01:17 AM R.I.P. Viper, your pics were among the best. Hopefully you'll be resurrected. Ripeer 10-13-08, 10:28 AM RIP Viper, Hopefully he'll come back, or do they IP ban? benjamin-benjami 10-13-08, 11:11 AM who cares, I have no sympathy for someone like that... mikeloxlong 10-13-08, 11:15 AM someone post screenshots already! mrTAPOUT 10-13-08, 03:26 PM here you go, 2k9 http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9660.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9787.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9776.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9800.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9802.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9817.jpg mikeloxlong 10-13-08, 03:39 PM kobe looks like Dobby http://www2.hawaii.edu/~lanning/jpgs/dobby.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9660.jpg hehehehe Chief Ediri 10-13-08, 05:54 PM TMAC pics please. All the pics without Kobe are great. RobertR1 10-13-08, 07:05 PM here you go, 2k9 http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_9802.jpg In game? If so, they're getting quite close with basketball games... Fanaticalism 10-13-08, 08:25 PM kobe looks like Dobby hehehehe Lol TMAC pics please. All the pics without Kobe are great. Amen sirjonsnow 10-13-08, 10:01 PM kobe looks like Dobby now post one of Reggie Miller and the little blue aliens from Galaxy Quest! mrTAPOUT 10-14-08, 10:34 PM yes thats how it looks in game. mtommy79 10-15-08, 09:30 PM Dead Space - scary **** http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3590/dsc09218oo2.jpg http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4678/dsc09212xf7.jpg spyder696969 10-15-08, 11:36 PM Dead Space - scary **** How scary? Is this something you won't want to play alone in the dark because of the ambiance? :) Or it a "Boo" factor scary where things jump out at you? :( Or something else? :confused: mtommy79 10-15-08, 11:54 PM It's pretty awesome. It's dark and the sounds are creepy, you'll go nuts if you have a surround system. You can hear the creatures crawling in the vents above you, jumping front of you or just simply playing dead till you get to them. I'm not gonna lie, i jumped a few times already and probably said Holy s*** more times than ever before. Here are a few more from the beginning. http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6936/dsc09244rc2.jpg http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6290/dsc09243of3.jpg http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9084/dsc09239qo4.jpg http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9288/dsc09236mp3.jpg http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4954/dsc09235lt1.jpg neverfaithful 10-16-08, 12:21 AM Mtommy79, is would be nice if you mentioned the name of the game, thanks. antwon412 10-16-08, 12:24 AM he did when he posted the first pics abour 3 posts ago dead space neverfaithful 10-16-08, 12:25 AM I don't think the following game and pics needs any introduction, as the photos speak for themselves as well as the first pic. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0521.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0525.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0526.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0528.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0524.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0530.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0533.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0538.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0535.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0551.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0549.jpg I know i know I'm not a great photographer. neverfaithful 10-16-08, 02:22 AM he did when he posted the first pics abour 3 posts ago dead space oh my apology then :) saylor 10-17-08, 12:48 AM oh my apology then :) Your Castle Boy ... HaHa I see you still are living the Kings life. :rolleyes: exlink 10-17-08, 10:29 AM More Dead Space...it looks awesome! :O spyder696969 10-17-08, 11:42 AM Your Castle Boy ... HaHa I see you still are living the Kings life. :rolleyes: Wow. Good eye there...seeing someone respawn on AVS under a different name. neverfaithful 10-17-08, 02:10 PM Wow I should start a fan club. assasyn 10-17-08, 03:00 PM oh my apology then :) Didn't you use to be Uptown? neverfaithful 10-17-08, 05:45 PM Didn't you use to be Uptown? I like to plead the fifth. :eek: mikeloxlong 10-17-08, 05:48 PM sooo...like he prestiged or something? :D biomechanoid999 10-19-08, 12:37 AM Apologies if this is the wrong thread, or if i's already been asked...but are any of you playing on a Samsung LCD (namely a series 6/7/8)? I ask because I'm scheduled to have one of these (the LN52A850) delivered on Monday, but have recently been reading talk of the Samsungs not being good for games due to lag issues. This has me a little concerned so I'm wondering if I should get a refund before the TV gets delivered.... bigdee3 10-19-08, 04:23 AM ^^^ Don't worry about it, that tv is awesome! ^^^ mtommy79 10-19-08, 08:56 AM More Dead Space...it looks awesome! :O http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4333/dsc09456bh1.jpg http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4070/dsc09448ts1.jpg http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3342/dsc09443ec0.jpg http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6296/dsc09418hg3.jpg http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6781/dsc09431ij1.jpg http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2580/dsc09430mm9.jpg biomechanoid999 10-19-08, 10:36 AM ^^^ Don't worry about it, that tv is awesome! ^^^ Any other opinions? I just keep reading varying opinions on the amount of lag in previous Samsung LCD's and I am a little concerned. I don't have much time before I can cancel the order without a lot of hassle so I'm trying to figure out what to do. Ripeer 10-19-08, 01:12 PM I have to ask whats up with the wierd amour/stuff on his arms (dead space) RobertR1 10-19-08, 01:34 PM I have to ask whats up with the wierd amour/stuff on his arms (dead space) That's the armor part on the suit. As you level up you get more and more metal pieces on the suit which boost your defense. This game is all sorts of awesome! Fragster 10-19-08, 02:51 PM I dont have a TV ;-). Don't own a 360 yet but will on Monday when Dell delivers my Arcade. Here's my 'gaming center'. Assasin's creed on a 120" back when I owned a 360 last year. http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4650/dsc00763ap2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/dsc00763ap2.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img148/dsc00763ap2.jpg/1/) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/29/asscreeddn7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/asscreeddn7.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img524/asscreeddn7.jpg/1/) Ripeer 10-19-08, 04:37 PM whoa nice background on your PS3 do you remeber where you got it? Ripeer 10-19-08, 05:42 PM I haven't posted my setup in awhile and its changed a little bit. Altec Lansing MX 5021 2.1- System died and doesn't out put soun d so using the 2 speakers and as fronts on... Logitech Z5500 Xbox 360 Elite HD-DVD Add on PS3 40GB (Used only for Blu-Rays) Benq w500 720p Projector Megnasonic DVD player used for imports (region free) http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Rippeer1/HomeTheater006.jpg Bit Blurry from Camera shake http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Rippeer1/HomeTheater008.jpg Bourne ID HD DVD http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Rippeer1/HomeTheater004.jpg http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Rippeer1/HomeTheater003.jpg MX Speaker http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Rippeer1/HomeTheater002.jpg http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Rippeer1/HomeTheater001.jpg ambient Light http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll206/Rippeer1/ThanksgivingWalkdownthelane006.jpg TomGreen321 10-19-08, 06:12 PM A projector on top of a 360 doesn't sound all that bright. mikeloxlong 10-19-08, 10:54 PM A projector on top of a 360 doesn't sound all that bright. I was thinking that till my fiance interjected: "that projector is going to burn that poor little 360" TomGreen321 10-20-08, 01:59 AM Either way one of you is an idiot =P spyder696969 10-20-08, 12:22 PM Since the Benq W500 vents out the front, there is little to zero chance that the PJ is going to harm the Xbox. Of far greater importance is a cheap console puking out searing heat into the air intakes of the much more expensive PJ. :( Recommend moving the 360 under the PS3, as only one console is going to be on at a time, thus reducing the hot air intake risk factor.* *Obviously, the best solution would be to throw down $5-$10 for a shelf/riser at Home Depot. :) Daekwan 10-20-08, 01:01 PM Good idea Spyder.. and I agree. Sit the projector on top of the DVD player.. and sit the PS3 on top of the 360. mikeloxlong 10-20-08, 01:07 PM I was going to vote for both consoles sitting up right next to each other while putting the projector on top of the DVD player... M. Brown 10-20-08, 01:26 PM Any other opinions? I just keep reading varying opinions on the amount of lag in previous Samsung LCD's and I am a little concerned. I don't have much time before I can cancel the order without a lot of hassle so I'm trying to figure out what to do. well today is monday...but I just bought a LN46A550 and I don't see any lag. I love this TV. I have my 360 hooked up though vga and it looks great. PENDRAG0ON 10-20-08, 01:29 PM well today is monday...but I just bought a LN46A550 and I don't see any lag. I love this TV. I have my 360 hooked up though vga and it looks great. There is the reason why, VGA is the only mode on Samsung LCDs that are, in general, lag free. Try HDMI or Component and you might start to notice lag if you are sensitive to this stuff. Fragster 10-20-08, 07:42 PM whoa nice background on your PS3 do you remeber where you got it? Its a wallpaper from:: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper_beta/downloads/date/any/ Use the gay (now becoming hetrosexual) PS3 browser to browse to this website and then you can save the picture to your HDD. The themes are from here: http://www.allps3themes.com/ jmill79 10-20-08, 08:43 PM There is the reason why, VGA is the only mode on Samsung LCDs that are, in general, lag free. Try HDMI or Component and you might start to notice lag if you are sensitive to this stuff. BS, Sammy 550 hooked up with HDMI to the 360 and I pretty much play shooters only, no lag here, Im still so confused as to this being an AVS forum yet people blatently go on about how one brand sucks or this or that. To the person asking, go to the particular Sammy thread for your tv and see what current owners are saying, instead of speculation. Youll get a lot more thorough info there. lucent 10-20-08, 10:34 PM I haven't posted my setup in awhile and its changed a little bit. Altec Lansing MX 5021 2.1- System died and doesn't out put soun d so using the 2 speakers and as fronts on... Logitech Z5500 Xbox 360 Elite HD-DVD Add on PS3 40GB (Used only for Blu-Rays) Benq w500 720p Projector Megnasonic DVD player used for imports (region free) *pics* I have one question. How well does the BenQ W500 perform with ambient light? M. Brown 10-21-08, 01:55 AM BS, Sammy 550 hooked up with HDMI to the 360 and I pretty much play shooters only, no lag here, Im still so confused as to this being an AVS forum yet people blatently go on about how one brand sucks or this or that. To the person asking, go to the particular Sammy thread for your tv and see what current owners are saying, instead of speculation. Youll get a lot more thorough info there. I have my PS3 hooked up through HDMI and I don't notice any lag. I love this TV. mrTAPOUT 10-23-08, 04:14 PM far cry2 and midnight club 2. Two must buy games imo http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_0165.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_0180.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_0225.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_0224.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_0174.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_0158.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_0156.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_0119.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/treyeumph/IMG_0135.jpg mikeloxlong 10-23-08, 04:16 PM wow antwon412 10-23-08, 04:19 PM at least there's none of that pesky advertising in midnight club 2. i hate that. TomGreen321 10-23-08, 04:37 PM at least there's none of that pesky advertising in midnight club 2. i hate that. Yeah man, I totally just look at the ground when I'm out, cause I hate seeing store signs and billboards. PENDRAG0ON 10-23-08, 04:51 PM Yeah man, I totally just look at the ground when I'm out, cause I hate seeing store signs and billboards. But it adds realism. :D spyder696969 10-23-08, 06:14 PM http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4070/dsc09448ts1.jpg Just finished what's shown here. This game is absolutely obliterating everything else right now. Not since Bioshock has there been anything this good. Love, love, love this game! :) porkys8077 10-23-08, 09:26 PM I have to get midnight club 2. Darth Vedder 10-23-08, 09:55 PM Are those Far Cry 2 pics from the Xbox 360 version? If so, they look much better then I was lead to believe. Fanaticalism 10-23-08, 10:31 PM I have my PS3 hooked up through HDMI and I don't notice any lag. I love this TV. I think it isn't so much that there isn't any lag, but moreso that latency varies from person to person. briankmonkey 10-24-08, 12:00 AM dam MrTapout, great pics!! mrTAPOUT 10-24-08, 01:27 AM thanks for the comments. Yes that is far cry2 from the 360 version. It is very impressive. RTRic 10-24-08, 02:26 AM Just finished what's shown here. This game is absolutely obliterating everything else right now. Not since Bioshock has there been anything this good. Love, love, love this game! :) I agree...I am not usually a horror game fan but this really interests me. Fragster 10-25-08, 06:44 PM Finally played GoW on my new Arcade ....pics I posted over at TBX as well....Didn't use a tripot hence the slight blurriness :-(. VP4001 projector on a 120" screen. http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3100/gow005ao3.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/gow005ao3.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img513/gow005ao3.jpg/1/) http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9544/gow006hm2.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/gow006hm2.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img412/gow006hm2.jpg/1/) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1147/gow007mr7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/gow007mr7.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img204/gow007mr7.jpg/1/) http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/976/gowig7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/gowig7.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img136/gowig7.jpg/1/) http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3082/gow009ex4.jpg (http://imageshack.us) [URL=http://g.imageshack.us/img515/gow009ex4.jpg/1/]http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/gow009ex4.jpg/1/w800.png[/URL Shin CZ 10-25-08, 07:15 PM So tomorrow is when I say goodbye to my Sammy 4071F. Had to get rid of it to help pay for my upcoming Samsung 67" LED DLP (HL67a750). I'm gonna miss my lil 40". It did wonders for me. Even now, I feel like the new TV isn't gonna be as impressive PQ-wise as my 4071. It's all about the size, so I'm willing to sacrifice a little pq. Though I've heard good things, so here's hoping. Should be here by this week...hopefully. I'll be posting pics. Too bad it's gonna be on a 50" stand that I recently purchased. It's only gonna be able to hold the stand. O__O nnarum23 10-25-08, 08:17 PM So tomorrow is when I say goodbye to my Sammy 4071F. Had to get rid of it to help pay for my upcoming Samsung 67" LED DLP (HL67a750). I'm gonna miss my lil 40". It did wonders for me. Even now, I feel like the new TV isn't gonna be as impressive PQ-wise as my 4071. It's all about the size, so I'm willing to sacrifice a little pq. Though I've heard good things, so here's hoping. Should be here by this week...hopefully. I'll be posting pics. Too bad it's gonna be on a 50" stand that I recently purchased. It's only gonna be able to hold the stand. O__O Where is it going? Who is the new one shipping through? I've always wondered about safety of the set ordering off the internet... SouthFLDan 10-25-08, 10:23 PM So tomorrow is when I say goodbye to my Sammy 4071F. Had to get rid of it to help pay for my upcoming Samsung 67" LED DLP (HL67a750). I'm gonna miss my lil 40". It did wonders for me. Even now, I feel like the new TV isn't gonna be as impressive PQ-wise as my 4071. It's all about the size, so I'm willing to sacrifice a little pq. Though I've heard good things, so here's hoping. Should be here by this week...hopefully. I'll be posting pics. Too bad it's gonna be on a 50" stand that I recently purchased. It's only gonna be able to hold the stand. O__O Give me a quick review cause I'm about to buy that TV. Of course don't forget to post pics as the title of this thread says. spyder696969 10-26-08, 12:52 AM http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3082/gow009ex4.jpg (http://imageshack.us) Gamerscore 10! :eek: And I thought mine was low! :p assasyn 10-26-08, 03:26 AM Gamerscore 10! :eek: And I thought mine was low! :p "Finally played GoW on my new Arcade" jmill79 10-26-08, 09:40 AM Yeah, Far Cry 2 is incredible, I friggin love fire!! Fire at night is even more impressive! You can actually see the embers flying over the fire. MC 2 looks pretty good, Ive never played that game though, Is it really arcadey?? or is it pretty realistic? Shin CZ 10-26-08, 09:50 AM Where is it going? Who is the new one shipping through? I've always wondered about safety of the set ordering off the internet... I put my 4071F up on craigslist, and had like 10 people offering to buy it within the first few hours of putting it up. I practically gave it away at $850. The person who I'm selling it to is coming by to pick it up today. I bought my 67" on Amazon. They're the ones who shipped the 4071F back when I first bought it and had no issues whatsoever. I trust them with shipping. The shipping company is CEVA. I had EGL last time. I'll let you guys know all about it as soon as I get it. They shipped it Friday, so I expect it sometime at the end of this week. I'll be watching/playing with my Samsung 2353h (23" 720p lcd) until it arrives. :( mikeloxlong 10-26-08, 10:55 AM Gamerscore 10! :eek: And I thought mine was low! :p I laughed out loud :p "Finally played GoW on my new Arcade" but he could have moved his hard drive to the new one.... assasyn 10-26-08, 11:50 AM I laughed out loud :p but he could have moved his hard drive to the new one.... Then that would be pathetic. Shin CZ 10-26-08, 10:41 PM Uhh, what? That's what I did. No reason why not to at least transfer all your files and gamertag to the new hdd. Fragster 10-27-08, 12:52 AM Lol guys..... Actually......I jumped from the 360 to PS3 a year ago and ended up selling my 360. After finally coming to the acceptance that there's only one thing the PS3 does really good and that is BR, I was waiting to jump back to the 360. The Dell deal sealed 'my 360 awakening'! The only game I've played on it so far is GoW and only for 2 hours....my Arcade is in fact less than 4 hours old right now :-). I guess it will take me some time to rack my MS points all over again. wtfer 10-27-08, 03:56 PM Lol guys..... Actually......I jumped from the 360 to PS3 a year ago and ended up selling my 360. After finally coming to the acceptance that there's only one thing the PS3 does really good and that is BR, I was waiting to jump back to the 360. The Dell deal sealed 'my 360 awakening'! The only game I've played on it so far is GoW and only for 2 hours....my Arcade is in fact less than 4 hours old right now :-). I guess it will take me some time to rack my MS points all over again. Can't you recover your previous gamertag & points from Xbox Live or is there an expiration to it? Fragster 10-27-08, 06:22 PM Can't you recover your previous gamertag & points from Xbox Live or is there an expiration to it? My friend that I sold my 360 to using MY gamertag now (with all my prior achievements:() but its all cool. I'm not that much of a gamer anymore and I spend more time watching movies,HDTV, etc. I guess age has something to do with it or something :confused:(I'm 34 right now). Picking up Fallout tomorrow morning though and hopefully I can post some FO shots later on. Fanaticalism 10-27-08, 06:49 PM Then that would be pathetic. Would it? Wouldn't having a ridiculously high gs be pathetic? :p ProblemHouston 10-28-08, 11:54 AM My friend that I sold my 360 to using MY gamertag now (with all my prior achievements:() but its all cool. I'm not that much of a gamer anymore and I spend more time watching movies,HDTV, etc. I guess age has something to do with it or something :confused:(I'm 34 right now). Picking up Fallout tomorrow morning though and hopefully I can post some FO shots later on. What the hell is that supposed to mean?:mad: I just turned 34 and am getting into gaming on line now. I guess I am just a late bloomer huh?:o mtommy79 10-29-08, 06:15 AM Fallout 3 http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/407/dsc09764gl7.jpg http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4687/dsc09805oq6.jpg http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5076/dsc09796ym0.jpg http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5166/dsc09793cn9.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7969/dsc09784rp0.jpg http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4944/dsc09781nk4.jpg http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4205/dsc09775sv7.jpg http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1142/dsc09773hc8.jpg http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6853/dsc09769xe4.jpg http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/227/dsc09767am8.jpg wtfer 10-30-08, 03:52 AM Been wondering, but are there any parts of Fallout 3 later on that have better variety... in color. Like anything other than brown & grey in the environments. Big Brad 10-30-08, 02:01 PM Great shots, mtommy! You know what would look even better? Bring the HUD opacity down to 0 and turn the cross hairs off. :D Been wondering, but are there any parts of Fallout 3 later on that have better variety... in color. Like anything other than brown & grey in the environments. I've been wondering this as well. However, I think that one would have to argue that in an area that has experienced nuclear fallout, there wouldn't be much color. Perhaps later on in the game you find some areas with patches of color or what-not. -Brad Shin CZ 10-30-08, 02:04 PM The TV is HUGE. If you want the Samsung HL67a750, make sure you get the proper TV stand relative to eye level, as my old one is too high and I had to angle the TV down. Here's pics for those who wanted to see it. This is before I angled it: http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1221/badzf0.th.jpg (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badzf0.jpg) After: http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5753/goodfp0.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goodfp0.jpg) Room (unfinished, have to change things about) http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5913/roomgf5.th.jpg (http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=roomgf5.jpg) Closer: http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2746/roomlightvb8.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=roomlightvb8.jpg) COD4: http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9030/cod4akqs4.th.jpg (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cod4akqs4.jpg) PQ is AWESOME. After calibration, the TV puts out an amazing picture. I just have to get used to it's narrow viewing angles (particularly eye level). The 360 works today for some reason, so I got one game in enough to take one pic, lol. Pics aren't perfect, so so pq isn't exactly as what you see there. It looks more natural IRL. neverfaithful 10-31-08, 12:43 AM What is your goal and/or main objective in Fallout 3? jayhawk11 10-31-08, 01:27 AM What is your goal and/or main objective in Fallout 3? It's an RPG, so there are all kinds of goals. From what I can tell so far, you're trying to discover the truth of Vault 101 and why your father leaves you at the end of act 1 Fragster 11-02-08, 01:34 AM Some more of Fallout ....freaking draw distance is amazing!!!! For me, easily GoTY ..Pics off a VP4001 720p Projector on a 120" screen. Your first view of the city when u come out of the 'cage'. http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6605/screen009xr3.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/screen009xr3.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img142/screen009xr3.jpg/1/) http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4221/screen006yz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/screen006yz0.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img255/screen006yz0.jpg/1/) http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1264/screen008gj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/screen008gj8.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img255/screen008gj8.jpg/1/) http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2929/screen010wk0.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/screen010wk0.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img145/screen010wk0.jpg/1/) switch42 11-05-08, 05:25 AM Here are some shots (you can most likely guess what game it is)... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3198/3003395613_d800348c8f_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/3004232292_a1bbe39ec0_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/3004234754_449c54e71f_b.jpg antwon412 11-05-08, 10:22 AM beta...... screenshots from dev walkthru..... or yarrrr......? thejokell 11-05-08, 10:28 AM beta...... screenshots from dev walkthru..... or yarrrr......? Looks like the demo to me. And I wouldn't bring up that last point at all - we've already had one user banned because of it in this thread... Phrozt 11-05-08, 12:17 PM Rock band on my tv: http://phroztnet.org/xbox/rockband/dontlookback_exp_012908.jpg http://phroztnet.org/xbox/rockband/gght_win_010808.jpg http://phroztnet.org/xbox/rockband/maps_exp_010508.jpg My setup : http://phroztnet.org/xbox/rockband/setup_013108.jpg Beeron 11-05-08, 12:30 PM Holy huge pictures! :eek: Fragster 11-05-08, 12:33 PM Please resize the pics !!! The only thing I can see on my 14" laptop are your shoes:eek::mad: assasyn 11-05-08, 01:40 PM Whoa! antwon412 11-05-08, 02:20 PM geez, those pics are bigger then my actual projector screen at home switch42 11-05-08, 03:45 PM beta...... screenshots from dev walkthru..... or yarrrr......? Demo.... Did you not get it off XBL yet? It is so good. antwon412 11-05-08, 04:54 PM no....i did not see it when i looked. color me embarressed. i shall be checking that out as soon as i get home. is it pretty cool? switch42 11-05-08, 07:36 PM no....i did not see it when i looked. color me embarressed. i shall be checking that out as soon as i get home. is it pretty cool? I think it is great.... switch42 11-09-08, 01:43 PM Here are some Gears 2 shots.... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3043/3016596770_caf76db1db_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3197/3015763205_f4c2aaf164_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/3016597938_8d84a63463_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3177/3015765449_26fedc15c4_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3036/3016600472_ac07b4b02c_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3167/3016601630_0c3c9b44bf_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3155/3015769611_4b5f428b61_b.jpg kumala 11-09-08, 02:55 PM epson home cinema 1080 on diy screen not good at taking pics. http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n272/kumala17/DSC02614.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n272/kumala17/DSC02613.jpg Renagade 11-09-08, 10:00 PM [QUOTE=switch42;15035699]Here are some Gears 2 shots.... http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3043/3016596770_caf76db1db_b.jpg Nice! What hardware are you running that on? I think I see samsung, what model? spyder696969 11-09-08, 11:27 PM Quoting pictures is fun. :rolleyes: TRD Supra 11-10-08, 12:39 AM delete those pics. B_S 11-10-08, 01:04 AM Thanks for reposting the same pics 3 times in a row... :rolleyes: switch42 11-10-08, 08:11 AM Nice! What hardware are you running that on? I think I see samsung, what model? I am on a Samsung LN-S4095 via HDMI. Trying to talk the wife into letting me get a Kuro 50", 40" is too small for me now.. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2390/2479851187_29380465e6_b.jpg dogmanky 11-10-08, 09:13 AM 40" is too small for me now.. That's what she said. Sorry I couldn't resist. No willpower. :D switch42 11-10-08, 11:09 AM That's what she said. Sorry I couldn't resist. No willpower. :D LOL :p spyder696969 11-10-08, 12:56 PM Pics deleted. I apologize profusely, if only in the fact that I forget that subtlety is wasted on those without reason. Renagade 11-10-08, 04:28 PM Those pics did take up a lot of room. I left one in my post though... spyder696969 11-10-08, 09:00 PM Those pics did take up a lot of room. I left one in my post though... That's the idea. :) neverfaithful 11-18-08, 08:59 PM 3 RED RINGS OF DEATH ONCE AGAIN AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE XBOX 360, I HATE IT NOW WE HAVE TO PROVIDE OUR OWN BOX FOR THE RETURN AND PRINT OUT THE SHIPPING LABEL THAT IS SENT VIA EMAIL. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0617.jpg WELCOME BACK PLAYSTATION 3... prophetizer 11-18-08, 09:11 PM 3 RED RINGS OF DEATH ONCE AGAIN AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE XBOX 360, I HATE IT NOW WE HAVE TO PROVIDE OUR OWN BOX FOR THE RETURN AND PRINT OUT THE SHIPPING LABEL THAT IS SENT VIA EMAIL. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0617.jpg WELCOME BACK PLAYSTATION 3... for starters, probably not a good idea to keep something on top of it Ishmael198 11-18-08, 09:22 PM for starters, probably not a good idea to keep something on top of it That's the HD DVD drive, it sits on top of the 360 no problems, between the vents, without blocking them. Not the issue. prophetizer 11-18-08, 09:31 PM That's the HD DVD drive, it sits on top of the 360 no problems, between the vents, without blocking them. Not the issue. if you say so, it will still hold more heat inside the 360, just saying you should have nothing on top of it, to the sides, or behind it, open on all sides but the bottom of course. spyder696969 11-18-08, 09:50 PM :rolleyes: Next, we'll have someone saying that bad surge protectors are to blame. :rolleyes: Ridiculous: http://www.neoseeker.com/news/6889-microsoft-says-its-bad-surge-protectors-killing-xbox-360s-/ thejokell 11-18-08, 10:15 PM if you say so, it will still hold more heat inside the 360, just saying you should have nothing on top of it, to the sides, or behind it, open on all sides but the bottom of course. I keep an AppleTV on top of mine with no issues. Stop spreading FUD. PioManiac 11-18-08, 10:25 PM Trying to talk the wife into letting me get a Kuro 50", 40" is too small for me now.. You can DO it, but be warned Even a 50" Kuro shrinks after a while, I know...I have two of them. (didn't learn the first time :D ) http://members.shaw.ca/BJOTF/m1.jpg I play mostly on the PJ now :D My Man-Cave is almost done now ;) 50" Pio Kuro, Epson 1080UB PJ & 120" powered drop down screen http://members.shaw.ca/piomaniac2/51508.jpg http://members.shaw.ca/piomaniac2/6220015.jpg http://members.shaw.ca/piomaniac2/xbox1.jpg http://members.shaw.ca/piomaniac2/xbox2.jpg http://members.shaw.ca/piomaniac2/51505.jpg http://members.shaw.ca/piomaniac2/6230001.jpg http://members.shaw.ca/piomaniac2/6220011.jpg http://members.shaw.ca/piomaniac2/6230015r.jpg M-Desantos 11-18-08, 10:42 PM 3 RED RINGS OF DEATH ONCE AGAIN AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE XBOX 360, I HATE IT NOW WE HAVE TO PROVIDE OUR OWN BOX FOR THE RETURN AND PRINT OUT THE SHIPPING LABEL THAT IS SENT VIA EMAIL. http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x255/uptown193/DSCI0617.jpg WELCOME BACK PLAYSTATION 3... Did you paint your HD-DVD drive black? thejokell 11-18-08, 11:05 PM Did you paint your HD-DVD drive black? There were a small number of black HD-DVD drives made. Some were available on ebay... http://blogs.msdn.com/andypennell/archive/2007/02/16/xbox-360-hd-dvd-drive-now-in-black.aspx neverfaithful 11-19-08, 03:27 AM Did you paint your HD-DVD drive black? Yes I painted it black with black matte finish spray paint to match my 360 Elite. It came out great. neverfaithful 11-19-08, 03:34 AM [QUOTE <edit note, yes I lost my original GamerTag when I upgraded last week to a new Elite (old 360 pro got the RROD)>[/QUOTE] PioManaic, you could have saved your GamerTag if you got the Hard drive Transfer Kit which is available from Game Stop for like $10 or Xbox.com for free, that is what I did and I got to save my Gamertag. Oh well. :mad: :p neverfaithful 11-19-08, 03:42 AM for starters, probably not a good idea to keep something on top of it my friend it has nothing to do with a small lil HD DVD player on top that is place in the middle where there are no vent holes and which has not been used since Superman III came out on HD. 360 vent holes are places on the sides not the middle. :rolleyes: Oh and I also did the 2 towel trick, where you wrap 2 towels around the console, take the hard drive out, disconnect the HDMI cable and let it run for 15 mins, turn it off, let cool down for an 90 mins and wala, no more 3RROD. I did that like 4 times which helped me get an extra month use out of it. I can't believed it actually worked. neverfaithful 11-19-08, 03:48 AM :rolleyes: Next, we'll have someone saying that bad surge protectors are to blame. :rolleyes: Ridiculous: http://www.neoseeker.com/news/6889-microsoft-says-its-bad-surge-protectors-killing-xbox-360s-/ Lmao, i know right, people dont understand 360's burn out no matter what. Unless of course you put it in the back of the cabinet with 5 towels over it and run it for 10 hours. I don't one person who this has not happened to. I have had 5 xboxs' and it happened to them all and as u can see i give ample room for air. I have gone over a year with this one. Not bad. smithfarmer 11-19-08, 09:21 PM My "Launch Day" 360 is still chugging along just fine. I'm actually kinda hoping for the RROD so I can get a new one with HDMI output. ;) formulanerd 11-20-08, 12:30 AM My "Launch Day" 360 is still chugging along just fine. I'm actually kinda hoping for the RROD so I can get a new one with HDMI output. ;) lol, cross your fingers that it happens within 3 days ;) your 3 years are up soon. neverfaithful 11-20-08, 02:15 AM My "Launch Day" 360 is still chugging along just fine. I'm actually kinda hoping for the RROD so I can get a new one with HDMI output. ;) So the regular 360's come with an HDMI terminal also not just the Elite? Vidmaven 11-20-08, 09:11 AM So the regular 360's come with an HDMI terminal also not just the Elite?I believe all of the new 360's come with HDMI output, the Elite includes the cable. randy5554 11-20-08, 09:22 AM My "Launch Day" 360 is still chugging along just fine. I'm actually kinda hoping for the RROD so I can get a new one with HDMI output. ;) However, if you return an under-warranty non-HDMI to Microsoft for repair, your replacement Xbox 360 console will also not have an HDMI port. velvet396 11-20-08, 09:47 AM However, if you return an under-warranty non-HDMI to Microsoft for repair, your replacement Xbox 360 console will also not have an HDMI port. quoted for truth smithfarmer 11-20-08, 08:33 PM Originally Posted by randy5554 However, if you return an under-warranty non-HDMI to Microsoft for repair, your replacement Xbox 360 console will also not have an HDMI port.quoted for truth :( Originally Posted by formulanerd lol, cross your fingers that it happens within 3 days your 3 years are up soon. I bought it at Costco which had an unlimited return policy at the time of purchase. When it dies I guess I can always take it there and get my money back spyder696969 11-20-08, 09:23 PM Just sent another 360 in for repair. Even though I've fixed hundreds upon hundreds of these units, I still like to witness first-hand how and what the M$ facility is doing every 2-3 months. All I can say is I truly miss the days of talking to Habib in India. "Larry" (my clearly American phone rep) talked so fast I could barely understand him. He misquoted the reference number twice, had to load the shipping label 3 times, and still didn't get the address correct, even in the end. That was one of the most unpleasant, unprofessional, and head-shaking experiences I've had in some time. Sadly, I'm not surprised in the least. :( neverfaithful 11-20-08, 10:48 PM Just sent another 360 in for repair. Even though I've fixed hundreds upon hundreds of these units, I still like to witness first-hand how and what the M$ facility is doing every 2-3 months. All I can say is I truly miss the days of talking to Habib in India. "Larry" (my clearly American phone rep) talked so fast I could barely understand him. He misquoted the reference number twice, had to load the shipping label 3 times, and still didn't get the address correct, even in the end. That was one of the most unpleasant, unprofessional, and head-shaking experiences I've had in some time. Sadly, I'm not surprised in the least. :( Fun isnt it. I just got my shipping label today via the xbox website. They failed to tell me I can go to the website and enter my reference # and print out the shipping label. I found this out 2 days after i called of repair. :rolleyes: DaGamePimp 11-21-08, 01:36 AM PioManiac , If you are running multiple speakers per channel how are you adjusting for the Ohm load difference via wiring and how do your amps handle the load ? Are you dropping the load for more output or increasing for less strain on the amp ? Just curious how you are running so many speakers effectively ( maybe they are not all connected ... ? ) . Seems like it would be an imaging nightmare to get all those speakers lined up properly if you are indeed using all of them ;) . Nice setup by the way , welcome to the wonderful world of front projection :D . - Jason PioManiac 11-21-08, 12:19 PM PioManiac , If you are running multiple speakers per channel how are you adjusting for the Ohm load difference via wiring and how do your amps handle the load ? Are you dropping the load for more output or increasing for less strain on the amp ? Just curious how you are running so many speakers effectively ( maybe they are not all connected ... ? ) . Seems like it would be an imaging nightmare to get all those speakers lined up properly if you are indeed using all of them ;) . Nice setup by the way , weclome to the wonderful world of front projection :D . - Jason Well my Ultimate goal was initially a Yamaha RX-Z11 (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=558249) for 11.2 http://members.shaw.ca/blackbullet/11speaker.jpg But for now I have two Yamaha AVR's Yamaha RX-V3900 and a RX-V1800 and currently running my new RX-V3900 as a 9.2 (7.2 with Front Presence speakers) No, I don't use both at the same time, ... that would just be silly, ...or would it ? hmmmm Hahaha My plan is to sneak a second system into the Living Room or Master Bedroom upstairs ...along with my spare PS3, but getting it past the WAF has not been easy :rolleyes: I've recently been told the rest of the home is off limits :( http://members.shaw.ca/blackbullet/mcv1.0/mynewhome.jpg DaGamePimp 11-21-08, 02:30 PM Ah yes the infamous Z-11 11.2 surround , heck why limit yourself to only 11.2 , why not just go for the 32 channel Goldmund setup ;) . So the 2 bookshelf speakers placed as a single Center are not both connected , you are just using one of them ? - Jason ZaZeeMan 11-21-08, 03:06 PM Fun isnt it. I just got my shipping label today via the xbox website. They failed to tell me I can go to the website and enter my reference # and print out the shipping label. I found this out 2 days after i called of repair. :rolleyes: Glad to see things haven't changed with MS. :) PioManiac 11-21-08, 03:42 PM So the 2 bookshelf speakers placed as a single Center are not both connected , you are just using one of them ? - Jason http://members.shaw.ca/BJOTF/yup.gif I have one for each AVR that way ;) Mission doesn't make a "Good" M3i series Center speaker to match my M34i Towers, So I bought a couple M32i's (Same size driver/tweeter as the Towers, just a smaller cabinet) They were slightly used demo's I got real cheap! Now my front L/C/R are all Timbre matched. BTW, good eye ;) most dont even notice my center is a pair of bookshelf's laying down. Ideally, the center "should be" at ear level too, or at least standing upright, But the Yammy's have a feature called Dialogue Lift that helps raise the vocals to center screen by utilizing the Front Presence speakers that help out with a raised phantom center. http://members.shaw.ca/VTXtreme/dialift.jpg ...sorry for getting O/T guys' :o Vidmaven 11-21-08, 04:15 PM Ideally, the center "should be" at ear level too, or at least standing upright, But the Yammy's have a feature called Dialogue Lift that helps raise the vocals to center screen by utilizing the Front Presence speakers that help out with a raised phantom center. ...sorry for getting O/T guys' :oI've been thinking about utilizing that function on my RXV 663. How do you like it? Does it really make the center channel sound like it's coming from the middle of the screen? PioManiac 11-21-08, 05:35 PM I've been thinking about utilizing that function on my RXV 663. How do you like it? Does it really make the center channel sound like it's coming from the middle of the screen? It sure does, However, you do have to give up your Back Surrounds to turn the Front Presence speakers on ;) .. so I only use it for Movies with lots of dialogue or Concert/Music performances where extra rear crowd noise is less important than an enhanced front stage. For Action Flicks and Gaming I prefer to have the Back Surrounds on. For 7.1 encoded material in lossless format (PCM/DTS-MA/DD THD )you can only have Back Surrounds. For 5.1 encoded source material you can have Front Presence or Back Surround using PLIIx. Vidmaven 11-22-08, 01:35 AM Hmmm I might just have to hook up an extra pair of speakers to see what it can do. Plewacka 11-22-08, 10:07 PM I decided to mod my 360 one day because the warranty apparently expired =( So I decided to add some flare to this once boring Xbox 360.:D http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/3051949422_bbf4e6963d_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/3051949476_ba5dedb5ce_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3054/3051111709_93f7f32433_b.jpg Column 11-23-08, 06:42 AM I give it about 2 weeks and you will be using it as a doorstop :p switch42 11-23-08, 09:08 AM I dislike pictures not in the correct orientation. electric turd 11-23-08, 10:00 AM How did the warranty expire? it clearly has the new heatsink which came out this summer, so it should still be under warranty. cedclark 11-27-08, 05:05 AM [IMG]http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4404/83459649nd5.jpg http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6602/67949921gv3.jpg [IMG]http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/4800/11pm8.jpg [IMG]http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3330/12wm0.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9564/69217972xl7.jpg [IMG]http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8108/82977755vl0.jpg [IMG]http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4020/70062580dz3.jpg switch42 11-27-08, 05:51 AM Those shots look good.... Make me want to pick it up.... Those weren't from the demo right? mikeloxlong 11-27-08, 11:28 AM what TV is that? that looks GREAT! spyder696969 11-27-08, 11:42 AM what TV is that? that looks GREAT! Just by seeing the silhouette in the first image, I immediately thought, "That's gotta be a Sammy." Looks like it's a LN46A650. Those shots look good.... Make me want to pick it up.... Those weren't from the demo right? For those of you that havent played Dead Space yet: RUN, do not walk, to your nearest store and buy this game immediately! Not since Bioshock has there been anything this well done. Plus, it's on sale for a mere $30 right now at a variety of stores. :) Morkeleb 11-27-08, 12:26 PM Just by seeing the silhouette in the first image, I immediately thought, "That's gotta be a Sammy." Looks like it's a LN46A650. You'd be right, look at his sig. thejokell 11-27-08, 12:34 PM For those of you that havent played Dead Space yet: RUN, do not walk, to your nearest store and buy this game immediately! Not since Bioshock has there been anything this well done. Plus, it's on sale for a mere $30 right now at a variety of stores. :) Do that after buying and playing Fallout 3. ;) mrTAPOUT 11-27-08, 06:40 PM http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1666.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1670.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1681.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1643.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1651.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1564.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1575.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1444.jpg M-Desantos 11-27-08, 08:41 PM http://www.transamws6.com/pics/theater/netflix-02.jpg http://www.transamws6.com/pics/theater/netflix-03.jpg http://www.transamws6.com/pics/theater/360-setup.jpg swolgam 11-27-08, 09:12 PM I decided to mod my 360 one day because the warranty apparently expired =( So I decided to add some flare to this once boring Xbox 360.:D http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/3051949422_bbf4e6963d_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/3051949476_ba5dedb5ce_b.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3054/3051111709_93f7f32433_b.jpg Im interested to know your techniques to painting your machine. Also IMO having your xbox vertical like that is just asking for problems. Love the dvd-drive. kumala 11-27-08, 09:15 PM what panasonic model is that? Shin CZ 11-28-08, 08:29 AM http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1444.jpg Why God? Why? :( TRD Supra 11-28-08, 07:41 PM http://www.transamws6.com/pics/theater/netflix-03.jpg What size is that? I just ordered a 42PZ80U spyder696969 11-28-08, 09:48 PM What size is that? I just ordered a 42PZ80U Looks like about 37" to me. TRD Supra 11-29-08, 02:30 AM Looks like about 37" to me. Panasonic plasmas are 42" and up M-Desantos 11-29-08, 07:14 AM What size is that? I just ordered a 42PZ80U That is the model I have. I love it. spyder696969 11-29-08, 10:45 AM Panasonic plasmas are 42" and up Oh well. I missed by a measly 5 inches, using only the DVDs as a point of reference in regard to size. Not bad, imo. kumala 11-29-08, 12:53 PM I was looking to get an lcd, but been looking at the panny 42pz8ou. How do you guys like your plasmas. spyder696969 11-29-08, 02:24 PM http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/3051949476_ba5dedb5ce_b.jpg At least we now know Plewaka's ebay ID. :D Either that, or someone is stealing his images for their items. :( cedclark 11-29-08, 10:20 PM http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3922/img2197ev3.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8930/img2202df4.jpg http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/3305/img2203mw8.jpg http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/5753/img2216tm6.jpg http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/9900/img2217ic6.jpg http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/2118/img2222of0.jpg http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/3133/img2226ys4.jpg cedclark 11-30-08, 04:12 AM Here are some GTA and Mass effect http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/605/img2238mz1.jpg http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9152/img2240ve7.jpg http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/4641/img2247uo9.jpg http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9921/img2259kk9.jpg http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3253/img2285fn2.jpg http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9162/img2302jo7.jpg http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5836/img2312od2.jpg http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9431/img2347uc9.jpg http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/630/img2350ln6.jpg http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/4535/img2362wb7.jpg ViperVenom18 11-30-08, 07:55 PM I LOVE Mass Effect! Myth 12-02-08, 12:23 AM thread should be stickied bump:cool: ZaZeeMan 12-02-08, 03:40 PM Oh well. I missed by a measly 5 inches, using only the DVDs as a point of reference in regard to size. Not bad, imo. Haha, that's pretty good. I'll try to post some screens from my new BenQ W5000 soon..... :) DaGamePimp 12-02-08, 04:01 PM Haha, that's pretty good. I'll try to post some screens from my new BenQ W5000 soon..... :) W5000 , Nice PJ , Congrats :D ! - Jason ZaZeeMan 12-03-08, 08:52 PM Thanks, Jason. My component connection is kinda crappy so I'll take some screens when I get my 5BNC adapter from Monoprice so I can use VGA. I was trying Bioshock last night and with the much better contrast ratios versus my old 720p Optoma HD72, everything looked almost real. It looked kind of cartoony before and not as sharp (obviously). :) eyeball kid 12-04-08, 12:10 PM cedclark, you may have just sold me on getting a Samsung. Fantastic shots, man. On the other hand... M-Desantos, do you notice any green phosphor lag/flashes/trails on your Panasonic? I briefly owned a Sammy 550 Plasma earlier this year and had to return it due to the phosphor problem. It also had a noisy image with excessive dithering. I would still consider a plasma if I could find a set where those problems were minimized or non-existent. The 80u is a nice looking set, my parents just got one for their bedroom. Hmmm, may need to head over to their place one of these weekends for some testing. Still gaming in a tiny rectangle on my 36" 1080i 4:3 flat screen CRT and drooling over the shots you guys are posting... CaCHooKa Man 12-04-08, 10:29 PM i just got a sony KDL-52W4100 the other day and its amazing. i can never get my camera to take really good pictures though. they always end up either too dark or with a blue tint to them. http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3400/picture005oh7.jpg http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5595/picture048rk4.jpg Fanaticalism 12-04-08, 10:36 PM Nice shots CaChooka. That is a very nice TV. I am sure it will bring many smiles to you and your familys' faces. :) ARTX 12-05-08, 02:17 AM These are really some great posts! This thread has me leaning more and more towards a plasma as my next display. mikeloxlong 12-05-08, 09:08 AM http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5595/picture048rk4.jpg holy sh*t I didn't know Tracy Morgan now played for the Lakers!!!! http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/08/07_tracymorgan_lgl.jpg spyder696969 12-05-08, 12:32 PM Gotta love the fact that there are so many clones that watch Laker games! :) ZaZeeMan 12-05-08, 01:58 PM [QUOTE=mikeloxlong;15222975]holy sh*t I didn't know Tracy Morgan now played for the Lakers!!!! Wow! That is uncanny! (valley, that is)...:) cedclark 12-05-08, 03:26 PM http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/4698/img2390st3.jpg http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4179/img2392ho2.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/245/img2399es2.jpg http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1323/img2418cx0.jpg assasyn 12-05-08, 03:33 PM ^^^ Wow! nnarum23 12-06-08, 12:20 AM http://i36.tinypic.com/21j0xz8.jpg http://i36.tinypic.com/2qw3br8.jpg Just happened to me today... :mad: Cygnus311 12-06-08, 12:24 AM Dude, don't tell them you got an E74. Only the 3 red rings is covered by the 3 year warranty. Just tell them you got a 3 red ring and ship it back. They'll send you a different console entirely once yours arrives. In fact you can submit a repair form xbox.com now and don't even have to talk to anyone. nnarum23 12-06-08, 12:29 AM Dude, don't tell them you got an E74. Only the 3 red rings is covered by the 3 year warranty. Just tell them you got a 3 red ring and ship it back. They'll send you a different console entirely once yours arrives. In fact you can submit a repair form xbox.com now and don't even have to talk to anyone. No mine is under warranty. I already requested the box from Xbox.com. I bought this around January of this year... It didn't even make a year :( Bad time of the year too... UPS is going to take forever... I might just buy an arcade in the mean time. I don't know if I really want a refurbed console. spyder696969 12-06-08, 03:14 AM But wait! Since it's black and made this year, you surely must have the all-new, super-fabulous, never-fail, ultra-reliable Jazz Fur Talon mobo with 6.32 picometer chips and unobtanium heatsinks, not to mention it must be from lot #123456789! And you say it failed??? Inconceivable! :eek: Oh, did I mention that I know a guy that heard about a guy that read about a guy on the internet that had a unit that didn't fail for a whole 1.5 years? CaCHooKa Man 12-06-08, 04:12 AM i got the 3 red rings today too for the first time in 2 and a half years. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/610/picture015gg4.jpg Davy 12-06-08, 08:15 AM Since i'm currently reading up on all current lcd models before i buy, so this thread is very usefull to me, but ... So, post your 360 screenshots and tv u r using 50% of all posts don't mention the TV brand/model :) tdogroeder 12-06-08, 11:13 AM No mine is under warranty. I already requested the box from Xbox.com. I bought this around January of this year... It didn't even make a year :( Bad time of the year too... UPS is going to take forever... I might just buy an arcade in the mean time. I don't know if I really want a refurbed console. My first 360 died less than one month after purchase. My 3rd 360 died about 2 weeks ago which has lasted me the longest. That is 3 360's in a total of 1 year 11 months. I don't know if I will be buying any gaming consoles from microsoft again. When the next gen consoles come out I will wait at least a year to see how they hold up. It is rediculous how much they fail, and they keep sending out repaired/replaced ones that are doomed to fail again and again. TRD Supra 12-06-08, 01:03 PM My first 360 died from E 74 and now early in the week my MS refurb 360(2nd) got it, but I turned it off then back on and its been fine so far. DFul4d 12-06-08, 01:37 PM I traded my 3rd 360 (2 RRODs) into Gamestop for $120 and got a new Jasper arcade unit. I hope it lasts. marvincbr 12-06-08, 02:57 PM I shouldn't jinx myself, but I'm still on my first (launch) one. No problems yet. KernalROM 12-06-08, 03:26 PM I have a launch unit... RROD'd on me last week for the second time... Now it's in Mesquite Texas at the repair center... Had 1 month to go on its 3 year warranty. mrTAPOUT 12-07-08, 03:34 AM http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1921.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1922.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1935.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1885.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1894-1.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1792.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1802.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1807.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1812.jpg stl drifter 12-07-08, 03:58 AM Nice screenshots mrTapout!!!! wtfer 12-07-08, 06:05 AM http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1894-1.jpg http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/shaporak/IMG_1792.jpg wow, now that is the best example I ever seen where artistic quality trumps technical quality. switch42 12-07-08, 06:29 AM wow, now that is the best example I ever seen where artistic quality trumps technical quality. In my opinion I like the Fallout 3 shot better neverfaithful 12-08-08, 03:18 AM i got the 3 red rings today too for the first time in 2 and a half years. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/610/picture015gg4.jpg Welcome to the official 3RRD Club, your are now officially a qualified member :D Ripeer 12-08-08, 09:21 AM Those Fable 2 shots look really dark compared to what I'm used to, granted I'm using a projector. I still think overall Fable 2 is one of the best looking 360 games. Maybe not from a tecnical stand point. If you look most of the textures are rubbish. But if you just sit back and play it looks great. deedubbadoo 12-08-08, 11:00 AM mrTAPOUT always comes through on the screenshots! Those POP screens are awesome! h3ro 12-08-08, 11:01 AM Holy crap at Prince of Persia! Gorgeous! Oz Man 12-08-08, 02:13 PM But wait! Since it's black and made this year, you surely must have the all-new, super-fabulous, never-fail, ultra-reliable Jazz Fur Talon mobo with 6.32 picometer chips and unobtanium heatsinks, not to mention it must be from lot #123456789! And you say it failed??? Inconceivable! :eek: Oh, did I mention that I know a guy that heard about a guy that read about a guy on the internet that had a unit that didn't fail for a whole 1.5 years? I bought my 360 in May of 2006 and still have it and have not had 1 problem at all and still going strong.:) Looks like I beat the guy who heard of a guy that new a guy who had one that lasted 1.5 years. KU Kitch 12-08-08, 02:18 PM http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1522/img0021py2.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0021py2.jpg) http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5453/img0022ok4.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0022ok4.jpg) http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6128/img0024ab4.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0024ab4.jpg) http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9508/img0027pb8.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0027pb8.jpg) Here's what I'm playing my games on, sorry for the crappy photos but I've just got my camera phone so they won't be too great. I'm ok with having a 58" in my bedroom, some people might call me crazy but it fits quite nicely IMHO. Shin CZ 12-10-08, 01:59 AM Not crazy at all. If I could, I'd stick my 67" in my room. It's already 'normal' sized for me. phantom203r 12-10-08, 12:56 PM I have a 52in in my room right now. its funny I feel like what ever size you have whether big or small yours eyes seem to get used to it. mikeloxlong 12-10-08, 12:58 PM 50,000 people used to live here... p.s. 110" has also "normalized" on me... KU Kitch 12-10-08, 04:15 PM Well I'm glad I'm not alone there, I didn't think I was. I used to use my 40" sony as both my computer monitor and game tv in my room, that was something with Crysis and World in Conflict! Also my little brother has an FP in his "living place", it's his room but it's also a converted garage that hasn't ever been a garage for us. So I can certainly see 100"+ being normal as well. spyder696969 12-10-08, 09:07 PM 90" in our bedroom here. (Keep your perverted comments to yourselves! ;)) HDKing 12-11-08, 01:32 AM i got the 3 red rings today too for the first time in 2 and a half years. http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/610/picture015gg4.jpg Those aren't rings. Those are 3 Red Lights Of Death. :p neverfaithful 12-12-08, 04:06 AM That is true, I wonder why and who started saying Rings, there are clearly no rings there, I never thought about it until now.... thejokell 12-12-08, 07:46 AM That is true, I wonder why and who started saying Rings, there are clearly no rings there, I never thought about it until now.... It's the "Red Ring of Death", as the ring around the power button turns red. Why people starting referring to the individual lights as "rings" I have no idea. But I always see it as the RRoD outside of AVS, so maybe it's just a phenomenon here. ;) e_e_emarpea 12-12-08, 04:06 PM most commonly known as rrod but i prefer the "red moon". the latter really describes it best. SPK8000LG 12-12-08, 11:24 PM Man, these pics turned out crappy but here is some Resident Evil 5 for ya. http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3376/p1010807wc3.jpg http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8435/p1010809mn8.jpg http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8435/p1010809mn8.th.jpg http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/287/p1010813kj3.jpg http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/871/p1010823pg8.jpg DFul4d 12-13-08, 12:16 AM Man, these pics turned out crappy You weren't kidding ;) SPK8000LG 12-13-08, 02:43 AM I'm not sure how you guys get some great action shots :( RE5 is amazing tough DaGamePimp 12-13-08, 04:57 AM It's a tough game to snap pics of , I can usually get some that look much better than this and this does not do the game justice but here's one anyway ;) . I wanted to zoom in a bit to get some of the finer detail that is there but it didn't work all that great and washed the image out a bit in the process , ah well ... http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/501/RE5_Demo_012.jpg - Jason SPK8000LG 12-13-08, 05:06 AM Looks great in person. I'm gonna freaking love this game! Let me try again here... http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8961/p1010826zt3.jpg http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/4521/p1010831me1.jpg My pics make it look black and white :( Myth 12-13-08, 06:28 AM yeah man lol those pics look bad mtommy79 12-13-08, 08:00 AM http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/7842/dsc09941jx4.jpg http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/3629/dsc09953zy0.jpg http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/457/dsc09947ag2.jpg whityfrd 12-13-08, 10:32 AM I think the pics of pics are a little misleading in this thread. There isnt a camera i have seen that can accurately reproduce what is actually put on the screen in capture. All i see is overblown colors and deeper blacks than what the sets can actually reproduce. You can tell by the overcrushed black detail in the screenshots through the whole thread. Ive seen the new sammy lcd 120hz sets and they do not look like that. Lol. There isnt a tv in the world that reproduces blacks like that. The kuro comes close. Just wanted to throw this out there before someone goes running out and buying a set thinking that this is the way it will look when they get it home. I guess that pretty much negates the point of this thread, but this thread is pretty pointless and misleading in the first place isnt it? mproper 12-13-08, 10:46 AM ^ Yes that's been discussed numerous times. Between the: Display Display Calibration Camera Camera settings Photographer skill Computer monitor Computer monitor calibration you can't really count on screenshots looking much like the real game on your specific setup. Although I find in general I like to look at them because you can get a general idea of graphic details and lighting/shadowing, even if it's not going to be exactly what it looks like in real life. mikeloxlong 12-13-08, 11:01 AM ^ +1 SPK8000LG 12-13-08, 01:33 PM I give up on pics, I suck at it or my camera sucks at it |