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sievers

01-02-06, 02:03 PM

2-reef

01-02-06, 02:09 PM

I can't find anything that suggests a reverse (inverse) function. I actually used the Digital Video Essentials Calibration DVD, not Avia. The Discovery HD burnt in logo is really only visible with a light background, so I am hopefull that if I don't watch this channel again it may disapear. I really only ran Discovery for 1 hour per night. It is stunning on why this would burn in the logo with really only 20% of the TV's time tuned to this channel. Now I won't go back on Discovery at all! I'll update if Pioneer responds. I also send an email to Discovery....this logo is way too bright IMO.

sievers

01-02-06, 02:18 PM

I just purchased my first plasma. However, I don't have my HDTV-DVR 6412 yet from comcast. I won't have it until Thurs. In the meantime I thought about just hooking up a coax and running the plasma with SD signal on "Full" for the next 3 to 4 days straight. I would turn down the Contrast and Brightness 50% of course. I have read through the burn-in thread but there are many people saying to use discovery hd but I don't have that option yet. So for my questions...

What channel would work best?

Would this be a good idea for burn in?

If I can sneak in a third question is it worth while buying an HDMI cable for the 6412 to run through the plasma or should I just use component?

lots of people recommend mtv for that type of break in, since it has no logo and lots of movement all over the screen. supposedly it helps. Maybe just check to be sure the content is as expected from time to time. Personally I don't think I would do it tho, I would just start watching it and try to keep the screen filled more often than not. The thing about leaving it on, I would just be afraid that the programming wasn't what you expected (who knows what could happen) and then if you didn't check on it, you have a problem because an image was on the screen for 4 days. And it would have happened out of your effort to avoid burn in! So yeah, just check on it often.

Since you can get plenty of hdmi cables under $20 easy, I would say just get one and try it. Some say it helps, some say not, I will tell you have the same box you are getting and using hdmi/component gets me the same quality. But the input is there, may as well use it (who knows, it may look better), and free up another component for something else!

jailonacs99

01-03-06, 03:24 AM

I just purchased my first plasma. However, I don't have my HDTV-DVR 6412 yet from comcast. I won't have it until Thurs. In the meantime I thought about just hooking up a coax and running the plasma with SD signal on "Full" for the next 3 to 4 days straight. I would turn down the Contrast and Brightness 50% of course. I have read through the burn-in thread but there are many people saying to use discovery hd but I don't have that option yet. So for my questions...

What channel would work best?

Would this be a good idea for burn in?

If I can sneak in a third question is it worth while buying an HDMI cable for the 6412 to run through the plasma or should I just use component?

If you have the regular Comcast channels, you can also leave it on their OnDemand advertising channel (it was 91-8 or 98-1 or something similar on my TV). It's a contiuous loop of an infomercial advertising the various Comcast features. It's pretty varied, no static images, and if you put it on Zoom then you don't even get the letterboxes that show when they advertise HDTV and movie channels (even then, it's only a a few seconds of black bars). I left it on that for several days, and one time I did come out to find it off but it was completely black, not even a Comcast logo still on the screen.

blakespot

01-03-06, 11:13 AM

Greetings

Not really. But make sure the contrast is not cranked ... so calibrate the TV first with a test disc.

regards

Is the Avia DVD still considered an ideal calibration vehicle?

blakespot

blakespot

01-03-06, 11:23 AM

Hi, I just bought (three weeks ago) a Pioneer PDP-5060 HDTV. I calibrated it using the Avia disk and turned down the contracts and brightness during calibration. I am watching a variety of programming all at full width for the first month anyway. Last night I noticed I can see the Disovery Channel HD logo no matter what channel I'm on. I have the logo burned into my set. This after trying my best to not have this happen. I'm pretty upset and am wondering if any one has any ideas. Most HDTV channle logos are fairly bright, which for me seems like I will not be able to watch any of these stations unless I can streatch to logo off the screen. I have contacted Pioneer to see what gives.

Read this PDF document:

White Paper: Mythbusting - Just the Facts on Plasma TV Performance (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/273087528Pioneer%20DTV%20White%20Paper%20-%20FINAL.pdf) (sponsored by Pioneer)

...which may ease your concern. It did mine. It swas written in Aug 2005, so the plasma in question in their tests is likely a 5050-generation. The 5060 supposedly has slightly less burn-in prone phosphors (not that the 5050 was burn-in prone), as each successive generation seems to.

I came to this when I watched 2-3 hours of football in HD and the score bar was "burnt in" to the screen. It took maybe 12-15 hours of regular watching for it to go away, but it was indeed image retention.

In the PDF above they freeze a video game on screen for two days and there is dramatic image retention as one would expect - but with 24 hours of normal, full screen viewing, the retention was 100% gone.

That's what Pioneer says anyway.

I have a 5060 (http://www.blakespot.com/images/plasma/5060_sm64.jpg) that's been setup near a month and I've been watching with reduced brightness / contrast most of the time (for DVD movies I do go to Pioneer's "movie" mode). It's easy for me to zoom-to-full DVD's as I use a Media PC running Meedio using ZoomPlayer as the player and I just zoom to whatever level is exactly right to get full screen. I watch a lot of Discovery HD and also INHD with everpresent logo. I have seen no retention there.

I've been taking it very easy as far as video gaming w/ my PS2, Dreamcast, GameCube, and N64 though. Maybe 10-15 mins here and there in "GAME" mode.

blakespot

renlopez

01-03-06, 11:34 AM

So I had posted this in another thread but it was off topic and thus ignored. Basically trying to understand why burn in is not cumulative.

"it's been my experience, however, that any image retention accumulated by watching a movie with bars (or 4:3 with bars, or leaving a dvd menu on for hours) is washed away when you finally do end up putting something different on, and that the image retention is not cumulative. And I have done all of those things (not all on purpose!) I have an NEC and if I watch 2 hours of a 2.35 movie in OAR, I will get image retention, but it goes away once I fill the screen again for a few minutes."

"I've been confused by the burn in issue for a while, since when I first started reading about it, it seemed that it would be cumulative (i.e. a certain amount of letterboxing per week would definitely cause burn in) but in practice, that hasn't been the case. I still haven't found a good explanation for it, maybe someone can help me out. If it really is just phosphor wear, as in each pixel has a certain life span and watching a letterbox movie permanently affects that lifespan, then it would seem that watching anything letterboxed ever would definitely cause burn in eventually, unless you took action to specifically reverse it (inverse screen for instance). But we know that is not the case, so there must be something to be said about filling the screen, that is restoring the black level to even across all pixels. Also, I find it odd that a panel that is supposed to last 20 years, would show any difference in pixel brightness after just 2 hours of a letterboxed movie. I mean I see it if I do that, but I don't believe that it can be attributed to phosphor wear alone. There is something missing from the puzzle, but I don't know what."

Anyone?

I've got somewhat of an answer for you. While it is true that pixel wear is cumulative, burn in goes away as a screen ages because pixel wear is not linear. It is exponential and brightness decreases at a constantly slower rate with age. That is why screens are most susceptible to burn-in when they are brand new. You are correct when you say that the only way to truly reverse burn-in is to use a inverse or negative screen, but you don't have to do that in order to eliminate the perception of burn in. If you simply watch full screen, the difference in pixel brightness between the black bars and the middle part of the screen will decrease with time. Now if pixel wear were linear, what you stated would absolutely be the case.

Also, it is the same case with your point about how a panel that lasts 20 years can experience a difference in brightness after 2 hours. The older your plasma is, the less likely 2 hours of black bars will make a noticable difference in pixel brightness. A brand new plasma in torch mode will definitely show a difference after 2 hours. Don't fret, it will go away with age.

Hope this answers your question.

2-reef

01-03-06, 12:29 PM

blakespot

01-03-06, 12:38 PM

Thanks Blakespot, this document is just what I needed to see, excellent! I think now that I have calmed down a bit I belive I do have image retention not burn in. I have not watched Discovery for two days, and after two days of DVD's and movie channels without any logo of any sort, I can really say I am having a hard time to find the discovery logo anymore. I am hopeful by tomorrow it will be gone. At first it was easy to see on any channel, last night I could not see it at all, although I know it was visible on a white background, nothing I watched last night had the white, so I will check again tonight. Many thanks your message is really appreciated!!

No problem - it made me feel better too, coming from Pioneer themselves, etc.

And remember, the "24 hours" of watching that healed their panels - that's watch time, not day time - so it might take nearly 5 days of "weekday working man watching" to get in 24 hours of actual watching.

It's an amazing panel, I must say. Everyone that's seen it on my wall (http://www.blakespot.com/images/plasma/5060_sm64.jpg) says it's the best television they've ever witnessed. I think they may be right. :-)

blakespot

sievers

01-06-06, 11:37 AM

I've got somewhat of an answer for you. While it is true that pixel wear is cumulative, burn in goes away as a screen ages because pixel wear is not linear. It is exponential and brightness decreases at a constantly slower rate with age. That is why screens are most susceptible to burn-in when they are brand new. You are correct when you say that the only way to truly reverse burn-in is to use a inverse or negative screen, but you don't have to do that in order to eliminate the perception of burn in. If you simply watch full screen, the difference in pixel brightness between the black bars and the middle part of the screen will decrease with time. Now if pixel wear were linear, what you stated would absolutely be the case.

Also, it is the same case with your point about how a panel that lasts 20 years can experience a difference in brightness after 2 hours. The older your plasma is, the less likely 2 hours of black bars will make a noticable difference in pixel brightness. A brand new plasma in torch mode will definitely show a difference after 2 hours. Don't fret, it will go away with age.

Hope this answers your question.

hmm, not really. See I'm now thinking that I've had this all wrong all along. Here's some pictures of what I am seeing. I increased the brightness and contrast in photoshop, to make it easily visible. Also I took the pics of a black screen then comes up for a second while switching inputs. The first is the image retention I get when I view 4:3 for an extended period. It is brighter in the middle, not darker. This is contrary to what I believed what the case was before. If you go by the belief that this type of image retention is caused by phosphor wear, then the middle should be darker, not brighter. The second one is after filling the screen for a couple minutes, and then going back to black screen. You can see that the color in the middle of the first pic matches the color of the whole screen in the second pic.

So to me, this says that the image retention (in my case anyway) is being caused by the fact that the pixels in the pillarboxes have remained inactive for a period of time, and become darker than they would be otherwise. After filling the screen for a couple minutes, those pixels are brought back up to a level of activity where their black now matches the black on the rest of the screen. Or so it seems.

So am I crazy or what is going on here? I know I've seen several posts in this thread saying that the middle would be darker after viewing 4:3, not lighter. If anyone can shed some light here please do.

ps renlopez thanks for contributing. I'm not worried about this, I have see this type of image retention come and go on my plasma many times. I am just trying to understand. Maybe this is the difference between image retention and burn in? That is, with retention, the middle will be brighter, but with real burn in, it will be darker. That seems somewhat reasonable but I'm really just pulling all of this out of my a$$ and want to hear from others and see what they think.

AstroSaberIII

01-08-06, 05:03 PM

What actually causes image retention? What is going on inside each gas chamber (R/G/B) that causes this temporary retention on the screen?

Here's what I've experimented with.... I played a Xbox game with lots of static bright images. When I noticed image retention, I turned the plasma off and let it cool off completely. 3 hours later and the plasma is cold, the images that were on the screen are completely gone.

Now, I do the same thing again, but instead of shutting the plasma off when i notice image retention, I switch to full screen video, and within 1/2 hour the retained images are gone.

I notice more image retention if the plasma has been running for hours and is warm/hot.

WAINGR0

01-12-06, 09:14 PM

I've had my 42" Panny since the beginning of December... I have had some issues with image retention particularly since I watch the Fox Soccer Channel quite a bit (good logo but too big and colorful for onscreen!). After the first week and a half of viewing maybe 6-7 hours on the weeknights (bit more on the weekend) I noticed their logo ghosting in the top right corner. I was relieved to see it go away after avoiding that channel for a bit.

I'm a little concerned now though... I wish I had found all this "break in" info and settings info earlier. In fact I consider it a crime that Panasonic knowingly ships their plasmas with the default settings cranked up and doesn't include all this "break in" info from their white paper in the manual that came with the TV!!!

My cause for concern came the other night after work when I noticed some image retention from playing BF2 Modern combat for 6 or 7 hours the night before. I figured it would probably clear up... but I switched to a dark gray almost black screen and then noticed I've still got a shadow of the FSC channel as well as some from my FIFA soccer game (bar along bottom with round EA medallion). Both of them were on no more than 1-1/2 hours a piece prior to playing BF2. This was noticed after the TV had been off at least 5 hours, turned on briefly in the morning for news before work and then off again for another 9 hours. I hope I haven't torched it after only approx. 300 hours of use! My gaming was fairly sparse the first week or two until around/after the holidays and I had been fine tuning the settings (mostly using standard) until I settled around +15 (which is 50% according to some) on the Picture setting. My screen has always been set to JUST and my viewing is varied. Maybe I'm over reacting but I love the TV and the picture quality but this sucks.

I'm hoping it just needed more time to cool down and clear up. Of course now I'll be cranking down the settings and keeping my gaming at a minimum for the next 700 hours. I just hope I haven't damaged it some already.

Again Panasonic could do people a favor by including the break in info in the damn manual and putting the settings at reasonable levels to begin with. Let the damn sales people crank their floor models up and burn them out! :mad:

Bassesq

01-14-06, 07:48 AM

I have the Panny TH-42PX500U. I found instructions on how to access the service menu. My only reason would be to see how many hours I have logged in the last two weeks of ownership so I will know how close I am to hitting 100 hours.

I know that I could estimate the time so far, but will the hours show as soon as I enter service mode, because I don't want to be a jerk and fix what isn't broken. Is it a real pain to find the screen with the log of hours? Thanks for your thoughts.

tacomasailor

01-14-06, 04:28 PM

We have a Hitachi 42HDF52 plasma TV - bought new Sept 15, 2005.

The 4:3 aspect section now has a very distinct pink cast to it. The image behind the pink is perfect. The center of the screen looks like you are looking thru a piece of transparent light plastic. The image brightness is slightly less than the border area but the image quality is the same.

This pink color is apparent even when there is no video signal fed to the tuner, e.g. when the system is searching for a source. The pink appears with all video sources, e.g. component, S-video, DVI, whether they come from Comcast, DVD, or off the air.

The size of the pink area does not change when changing aspect ratios.

The border area (outside the 4:3 center) is the same brightness as the center but has no pink overcast or tinge. The only time you do not see the pink tinge is when watching 4:3 with either gray or black borders. Then the center image looks normal. This may just be due to the lack of something for the eye to compare the center to.

This problem began less than eight weeks after we purchased the TV and is getting progressively worse, i.e. the pink is getting pinker.

Hitachi phone support (mid-December) originally told us this was not burn in and they wanted a service tech to look at it. Now their tech came to the house and said it is burn in. Hitachi says they will not warranty the problem.

We see no retained image, no logos, no crawls at the bottom, no kind of residual image anywhere on the screen. It is just PINK in the center.

We did watch a month or so of 4:3 with black borders until we learned about image retention/burn-in (why didn’t Video only explain the potential problem to us?). However, we are constant channel surfers and never watch any channel for more than 10 minutes or the time in between commercials. We have a lot of HD feeds available on Comcast and usually had the Comcast box set for the 4:3 override which automatically put the TV into 4:3 expanded to show a full screen image. SO – we never watched more than 10 minutes in a row of black border 4:3 images but did watch them for several hours a day.

In early December Comcast had a local system problem and had to send a signal to reinitialize all their cable boxes. When they did that the 4:3 override was reset to the default non-override and we did not notice that until early January.

Is this pink center section of the TV phosphor burn-in or image retention?

gannongolfer

01-14-06, 04:39 PM

Bassesq

01-14-06, 05:46 PM

Go to the second sticky- Panasonic FAQ. Use Bruzzi's link to his info. Click panasonic FAQ- then look for the hours used #12. That one is easy to use.

Thanks, it worked like a charm. I am up to 70 hours (after Hex conversion).

barrianne

01-14-06, 06:49 PM

dontdothat88

01-15-06, 09:54 AM

We just hooked up our TH-42PHD8UK today. I studied the burn-in issues/fixes, and while I haven't calibrated the unit yet, we have turned down brightness and contrast.

However, watching NFL Playoffs I'm worried about the Fox logo and scoreboard. Should I be worried? Is there something else I should do for these first 100 hours?

Also, specifically, the Panny white paper talks about setting the sidebars to gray in the setup, but on this unit the sidebar set up options (under 'Screensaver' is the only place where I could find anything on sidebars) are only OFF, DARK, MID, BRIGHT. In the manual in the 'for preventing after-images' section it says to set the side bar adjust to 'bright', which I did. Is there a gray setting somewhere that I'm missing?

Specific numbers for brightness/contrast settings would be appreciated, and info on any sidebar hints as well, thanks, so I can watch these games without having a total kniption! I'm missing all the plays while my husband gives me audio (audibles? ;) ) because I'm studying the forum burn-in discussion too hard instead of watching my beautiful new plasma.

why buy a tv and not enjoy it because your worried. Just watch the game!! After 4 months with my 50px500u, im convinced burn in is made up, doesnt exist, i dont care what anybody on this site tells me. It SURELY doesnt exist by just watching regular tv. MAYBBEEEE if you leave something paused for a week straight, then your in trouble, but even in that case im convinced its just uneven wear and will eventually go away with regular viewing. Just watch the game, the WORST case scenario is you will see a little retention, then you'll know to keep an eye on it. After a few months you'll stop worrying like everybody else.

edit: specific numbers for brighness/contrast are whatever looks good. I cant see myself viewing a dark picture just so it doesnt 'burn in', im not going to spend 5k on a tv and turn down the brightness so it looks like a $500 tv. Get avia dvd to calibrate.

barrianne

01-15-06, 09:57 AM

why buy a tv and not enjoy it because your worried. Just watch the game!! After 4 months with my 50px500u, im convinced burn in is made up, doesnt exist, i dont care what anybody on this site tells me. It SURELY doesnt exist by just watching regular tv. MAYBBEEEE if you leave something paused for a week straight, then your in trouble, but even in that case im convinced its just uneven wear and will eventually go away with regular viewing. Just watch the game, the WORST case scenario is you will see a little retention, then you'll know to keep an eye on it. After a few months you'll stop worrying like everybody else.

Thank you! Sage advice. I'm watching tivo'd Broncos right now.

My husband just said, yeah, you can turn that forum thing off, you're done with it. :eek:

But I need you guys!

Hfamily

01-15-06, 09:28 PM

HI ALL,
I'm quite new to this forum and for plasma as well.
I just bough Pioneer 436HDG (asia model) 2 weeks ago. Picture is really good, especially for DVD source.
Last friday when I came back from work and watch a movie, I found a TV program Logo on right corner of display, it's hard to see when the sence is dark or color. But when screen is white or bright, I could see it logo if I pay enough attention at that corner.
A bit terrified !!! Just 2 weeks using but Image retention appear ( I don't know what if burn in happen). For your information, my son told me he just watch that TV program more than 1 hour. This TV program logo is in white color.

Any one can give me advise how to solve this matter. Even when I watch DVD it's hard to see that retention but now I dare not see TV pro with normal mode : I had to zoom all program or adjust H positon to remove any TV logo :((((

Thanks much
* I use standard mode, Contrast 30, brightness -3, color - 3, sharpnes -3.... Is that right ?

LUGE

01-15-06, 11:02 PM

Little info on what I hope is a simple problem please. I have a new Zenith Z5O. Everything seems great but it is very noticeable ( especiallyon the darker backgrounds) the color is not 'solid" but looks like it has moving shadows of darker and lighter colors/ On a Black background for instance it is grey and black. Hope I explained this well enough to get some help. What beeds to be adjusted ? or is this just normal for Plasma's

Thanks

berriman

01-17-06, 12:05 PM

dontdothat88

01-19-06, 10:01 AM

why would anyone want to "leave my TV on for 3 or 4 days straight" to help ease concern over "burn'in"?

lol

makes no sense to me. One, plasmas have a limited life-span. Why shorten it to supposedly speed up the break-in period?

two, leaving such a device on for days straight increases the possibility of other issues...lightning strike...power surge....fuses blowing.....phosphurs buring out prematurely, a cooling fan breaking, etc...

A simple, pragmatic approach WILL suffice, imo. Caution and moderation. If watching 4:3 or letterbox material for any exteneded period of time (1/2 hour or more), just turn the channel during commercials to a full screen show, or change the "aspect ratio" every so often, just to change it up.

Also, never pause a DVD and walk away even for a minute...as you can forget. If you pause a DVD, (or DVR), turn the TV itself off while you are away.

This "I'm going to run my TV for 4 days straight" stuff makes no sense to me. In due time, with sensible viewing habits, burn-in will become a non-issue anyway.....why shorten your plasma's lifespan and increase the possibility of other problems just to "speed up" the break-in process?

jmo
"shorten the plasmas lifespan" is not a valid concern. 3 days X 24 hours a day = 72 hours. Plasma half life =60,000. You dont have to be a math genius to figure out 72 hours is a very small percentage of 60,000 hours. I still dont get why people would end up buying a plasma if your going to be tihs stressed out over it, why spend all that money just to deal with stress. Watch the tv, pause it if you want, dont worry about changing to full screen during commercials, just watch tv like you always have.

WAINGR0

01-19-06, 07:18 PM

I still dont get why people would end up buying a plasma if your going to be tihs stressed out over it, why spend all that money just to deal with stress. Watch the tv, pause it if you want, dont worry about changing to full screen during commercials, just watch tv like you always have.

I know what you're saying... but that's pretty much what I did. And now only 1-1/2 months and $3,000 into owning a plasma I've got image retention shadows (that may not fade completely... still watching this closely) and can't watch my favorite channel at all. I wasn't expecting that considering all the talk from other plasma owners and the manufacturers themselves. Maybe I should've got a DLP instead? :confused:

mypepper

01-21-06, 09:55 PM

Waingro,

I followed all the rules with my Hitachi 61UWX10B and I still received some minor burn-in on the lower right hand corner. For the past two years the only material that we watch on the 61", is 95 % DVD viewing and 5 % HDTV broadcasts. For our daily viewing we watch our Toshiba 30HF85.

If I very owned a Plasma, I would never watch regular broadcast programing, just because of worrying about the burn-in factor.

I truly feel sorry for you and depending on your regular viewing habits, either a DLP or LCD would be better for you.

Right now I'm looking at either purchasing a 37" or 42" LCD.

Randy,
Millbrae, Ca

PAnoah6791

01-21-06, 10:43 PM

WAINGR0

01-23-06, 09:01 PM

I didn't read through all 30+ pages of this, so if it was posted before please point me towards it...We're planning on getting the TH-42PHD8UK Panny plasma, and we went into a local store today to look at the consumer model and the guy in the store said don't get a plasma if you will be playing video games, which we will. I was inclined not to believe him, I've read up on it, and seems like if you calibrate the TV correctly and don't leave a game or DVD on pause for a long period of time (8+ hours) you should be fine. Am I wrong, or is this a major issue I should worry about. Any panny/other plasma owners with video games have any problems with this?

Well based on my experience, if I were you I wouldn't play video games on it for the first 100-1000 hours. If you really have to play something then limit it to an hour or two at most and be sure to change the channel to something with fullscreen video and no logos (like Discovery HD) periodically during and after gaming (give the screen a break from any static elements)... that will help reduce any retention. Follow the break in procedures religiously... turn the Picture setting down to 0 or less! Avoid the "Cool" color gamma setting, Normal should be fine. From what I've heard here after the first 1,000 hours of break in the retention disappears quicker and there's less chance of burn in. Although you should probably still be sensible with your gaming.

barrianne

01-23-06, 09:25 PM

I've had my TH-42PHD8UK for a week now (although I already can't imagine living without it), I have most levels turned down very low, and it still looks fantastic. I was very worried about burn-in initially, and have become less concerned, but again, I still have all levels turned down low until I get a chance to use my calibration disks. Also, I am not doing any gaming. I LOVE my commercial model -- looks extremely sleek.

Did I already say what an amazing picture it has?

Jason Priestley

01-23-06, 11:18 PM

I'm thinking of a panny 50" viera although I may want to wait until there is a 1080P version. Anyhow, while i've read over and over again that there is no longer a burn-in issue with new plasmas and that you can get 60,000 hours of usage, I'm still concerned that they are hiding the truth. I just read that someone in australia is trying to sue the cable companies because they just got burn in from a plasma unit they purchased in December. Apparantly, the logo from a day of watching sports burned into the image. In particular, I plan on using the TV for my xbox 360 and the upcoming ps3.

My other concern is the brightness level. Output looks great at the store. All the literature says it will last 60K hours. However, I still hear that within 3 years of owning a plasma it will look significantly less bright compared to a new unit. Is this true? For example If I bought one today, in 3 years will it only be at 70% or 60% the same brightness of the original unit? What should I expect in terms of brightness in 1 year, 3 years, 5 years and 10 years?

Finally, I wonder about glare. I have a sharp aquos right now which works great during the day. Will the glare make the plasma almost unwatchable depending on the layout of the room?

Thanks. By the way, is a panny 50inch 1080P coming this year? If so, how much?

iatacs19

01-24-06, 09:57 AM

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17904323-421,00.html

Maybe now that regular consumers are starting to notice the damage TV stations will wise up a little bit for the Average Joe.

NatasNJ

01-24-06, 06:01 PM

Just got a 50" Philips Plasma. What is considered "turned down" when referring to the brightness and contrast levels? Under 50? Under 70? A tad below defaults?

Cause I have both of my levels low and it looks like crap. (also watching SD) I don't mind dealing with this for a short period of time but overall I don't want to continue to watch a BAD picture for months upon end.

RicheyPoor

01-24-06, 09:43 PM

I know what you're saying... but that's pretty much what I did. And now only 1-1/2 months and $3,000 into owning a plasma I've got image retention shadows (that may not fade completely... still watching this closely) and can't watch my favorite channel at all. I wasn't expecting that considering all the talk from other plasma owners and the manufacturers themselves. Maybe I should've got a DLP instead? :confused: You don't mention what brand you have. I own an HP PL5000N which is a rebranded Panasonic 50PX500U and my philosophy is the same as dontdothat88's; I didn't spend all this money to have a TV that I can't use to its full potential. Ergo I have pushed mine for all it's worth from day one. The only precaution I take is to vary my programing (which I'm prone to do anyway). For the three months I've owned the set I've watched carefully for any sign of image retention/burn-in and have seen NONE. It seems that very few reports of image retention come from 8th generation Panasonic owners. Pioneer plasmas get more complaints, at least when new. While I can't speak for all brands, if you have a new Panasonic just use normal common sense and you'll be fine.

Follow up:
After posting this response I looked at a few of your posts and found out you do have an 8th gen Panasonic. This is puzzling since it doesn't sound like you've done anything terrible. If you don't mind sharing some details... How long have you had the set? How much of the time did you watch that Fox channel before you noticed the image retention? How long has it been there? Has it gotten any fainter over time? Sorry for all the questions but I"m trying to determine if you're doing anything different than most. Lastly, I wonder if the 42" panels with the rectangular pixels are any more prone to this than the 50" panel's square ones? (I notice that dontdothat88 also has a 50" panel)

shanewenc

01-24-06, 10:21 PM

hey experts... is there a burn in issue with the clear transparent logos ?? like some of cbs or nbc logos can those burn in too? they are clear so it changes color along with the back ground.

thanks.

AlphaEagle

01-26-06, 08:45 AM

Hi guys,

I just took delivery of my brand new Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK plasma set a couple of days ago. Like you all I did my research and was initially very happy with this set! I started my burn in routine and when I turned my surround speakers off to let the tv display content at low contrast and brightness settings I heard an electric kind of buzz. It was subtle but this was sitting 14' away! I went over to the TV and sure enough there is a constant buzzing coming from the centre or lower centre of the back panel. Standing by the set it is very noticable.

I had read that the Panny's were quite and that was one reason I chose a Panasonic. I've tried unplugging other equipment and everything I could think of will not make the buzz go away.

Now for the big question, is this normal?? I would hate to return it after all the setup and unpacking etc... and i'd hate to get another set that buzzed after doing all of that.

Your comments on your own sets would be greatly appreciated!

Andrew

sdgeek

01-26-06, 03:52 PM

Not sure if that is the right title. I noticed on my panny th42 when watching hi def, if there is any type of white background,(sky shots/march of penguins) there is a slight vertical line on the inside of where the sidebars would be at. Does any one know what this would be and maybe a possible fix? Thank you

johnyboyd

01-26-06, 09:47 PM

Hi, my new Panny PM50U (Costco model) has landed ;)

For the 100hr break-in, I will be dialing down all settings to < 50%.

I'd really appreciate if someone can share their Panny settings for this
initial break-in. In particular, I see postings about 50% being 0 or 15, on
the -30 to 30 scale. So, which is it ?

Also, I don't see a 'contrast' setting - is this called something else ?

thanx a lot
j.boyd

barrianne

01-26-06, 09:49 PM

I believe 'picture' is contrast. It should explain all in the manual.

WAINGR0

01-27-06, 06:07 PM

You don't mention what brand you have. I own an HP PL5000N which is a rebranded Panasonic 50PX500U and my philosophy is the same as dontdothat88's; I didn't spend all this money to have a TV that I can't use to its full potential. Ergo I have pushed mine for all it's worth from day one. The only precaution I take is to vary my programing (which I'm prone to do anyway). For the three months I've owned the set I've watched carefully for any sign of image retention/burn-in and have seen NONE. It seems that very few reports of image retention come from 8th generation Panasonic owners. Pioneer plasmas get more complaints, at least when new. While I can't speak for all brands, if you have a new Panasonic just use normal common sense and you'll be fine.

Follow up:
After posting this response I looked at a few of your posts and found out you do have an 8th gen Panasonic. This is puzzling since it doesn't sound like you've done anything terrible. If you don't mind sharing some details... How long have you had the set? How much of the time did you watch that Fox channel before you noticed the image retention? How long has it been there? Has it gotten any fainter over time? Sorry for all the questions but I"m trying to determine if you're doing anything different than most. Lastly, I wonder if the 42" panels with the rectangular pixels are any more prone to this than the 50" panel's square ones? (I notice that dontdothat88 also has a 50" panel)

Yeah it's a TH42PX50U... I've had it since the beginning of December and it's got around 400-430 hours on it (just checked the service meter the other day). I didn't think I was too harsh on it either but I think the settings were still too high (Picture at +15 to +18) for the initial couple hundred hours. I watched a bit too much Fox Soccer Channel... 2 hour games here and there on the weeknights. I noticed their logo ghosting after about 1 to 1-1/2 weeks. I started monitoring it and laid off that channel a bit... it seemed to clear up and go away (at least when looking at a white/very light blue screen). I wish I had checked a dark screen earlier to make sure it was gone.

Anyway as far as I can remember my gaming was light... I was watching DVDs and full screen (JUST mode) most of the time and I tend to flip channels. I didn't put in any serious XBox hours until the week between Xmas and New Years and the week after. This is at least 2-3 weeks after purchase so it should've been just past the 100 hrs based on my weekly viewing. I then noticed I had some HUD elements from BF2 Modern Combat retained after an extended gaming session and switched the cable box off to a dark screen and noticed shadow remnants of the FSC logo and scoreboard still there as well as FIFA soccer elements (static bars at top and bottom, round EA medallion) and the BF2 elements.

Out of the three it seems the BF2 elements (the later played/viewed of the three) faded some and got fuzzy/less sharp to where they're almost gone... the FIFA and FSC shadows seem to have faded some but don't appear to be getting any lighter now. They've been there over the last couple weeks. The good thing is that none of this noticeble during normal viewing... I might catch a glimpse of some in the top right corner if I'm looking for it and the picture on screen is light enough but you really have to look hard. It still sucks knowing there's burn in there though.

After watching the NFL playoffs on FOX I had some retention of the score board bar across the screen (despite a Picture setting of "0" and switching channels during commercials). Strongest part of it being the "FOX" part because of the white letters on black. It lasted a day or two and then disappears.

The difference between (temporary) retention and (longer lasting) burn appears to be a matter of a few hours especially when your settings are too high.

RicheyPoor

01-28-06, 12:02 PM

Do you know when your set was manufactured? (it's on the sticker on back of the set) I don't think it matters where because that's the final assembly point, I believe all the PDP's are made in Japan. Other than the games it doesn't sound like you've done anything different than me. I still wonder about the difference between the 42" and 50" Panels. They're not cut from the same substrate because the pixels are different sizes/shapes. This is all speculation of course, can anyone with image retention on a Panasonic plasma chime in with their screen size?

I still don't think you have much to worry about. In time this should fade entirely. Even so, I think I'd mix up the programming for awhile.

tweaker254

01-29-06, 11:31 AM

Hi
I am new to plasma (as of yesterday) and I’ve read most of the pages however I have a different problem with my image retention. This TV 42” is Daytek from Costco. Great price and excellent picture. Contrast and brightness turned to 35 from 100 and the orbiter is ON. Played Underworld movie and during the dark scenes I pressed the menu on TV to change the color settings, adjusted the settings and keep watching the movie and what I see is the whole menu is there like a ghost during dark scenes. It disappeared after about 15 minutes so I pressed the menu again and same thing. Now is this normal on all plasmas to get retention by just going to adjust the picture, is this due to being a cheaper plasma and would not happen let’s say on the Panasonics or is it just because it is new TV and won’t happen after like 100 hours of use?
Thanks for any input
Milan

Falhawk

01-29-06, 10:24 PM

I want a plasma but burn in scares me. Mostly logos from the networks and my cable company's menu etc.

Am I blowing the issue out of proportion?

how long would an image have to stay on the screen to burn in?

octavious

01-31-06, 02:43 PM

Hi - we've had our 50" vizio, keep contrast/brightness in low 40s, don;t do anything weird, change channel regularly....

but my wife needs closed captioning - and guess what? the bottom margin of the screen is now permanently burnt in.

What can I do? I've tried the screen cleaner. But there seems to be no way to adjust the brightness of the captions without making the whole picture very dark.

Any suggestions anyone?

It never occured to us that closed captions are a definite "no-no" for plasma - deaf people take note!

nash4felix

02-03-06, 10:59 AM

barrianne

02-03-06, 11:03 AM

Pwrmec

02-04-06, 06:08 PM

I have just purchased a used Hitachi 42 inch plasma that was at one time a Restaurant menu. You can see the Restaurant logo and menu it was a McDonalds Value menu. This is not retention it is really burnin. Can the Burnin be reverse, or repaired?

koolit

02-06-06, 09:25 AM

edit: specific numbers for brighness/contrast are whatever looks good. I cant see myself viewing a dark picture just so it doesnt 'burn in', im not going to spend 5k on a tv and turn down the brightness so it looks like a $500 tv. Get avia dvd to calibrate.

Where do you find the calibration disc?

tapmba

02-06-06, 09:40 AM

I have a Panasonic ED TV. It's less than 100 hours old. I have been taking a lot of care so that I don't get screen burn-in. I got the dish network for cable subscription. Because of two turn off buttons on the remote (one for the cable set up box and the other for TV) , I have twice left the TV on while the cable is off. On both occassions it was left in this state for about 90 mins or so. It was a blank screen with no images.
Will this have caused any burn-in to my Plasma? If yes how can I correct it?
Thank you in advance

firefighterchris

02-06-06, 05:27 PM

WAINGRO, you stated you were able to view your yours thru the service meter. How do I do that? I would like to know how many hours my tv has on it right now. If any other member knows and would like to respond please do so. Thanks Chris

npwade92

02-06-06, 05:47 PM

Firefighterchris -

Below is the link to see how many hours you have had your Panasonic Plasma running.

http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/showthread.php?t=81

npwade92

02-06-06, 05:50 PM

Koolit -

Below is the link to the Avia Calibration DVD. :)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/630551982X/qid=1139266137/sr=1-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-0681143-5788908?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130

barrianne

02-06-06, 06:53 PM

I walked in to my apartment after a day of work, and saw my new Panny plasma THD428UK displaying THE GRAY BOX WITH BLACK BARS! One of my fears was realized: we managed to leave the house without turning the TV all the way off. Depending on where it is on the remote cycle, very infrequently the unit itself doesn't turn off. I have tried to make sure that the unit turns off but I know I rushed out of the apt. this morning ...

So that means that image was on the screen for 9 hours at least. I'm squeezing my eyes, displaying a full-screen dark image, and maybe if I imagine I maybe can detect some image retention (maybe), but I don't really see anything at all. I think all is fine.

Yay 8th-generation plasma!

Bad display owner. Bad owner! Lesson learned.

optivity

02-07-06, 07:35 AM

Like most other people I watched Super Bowl XL on my 50PX50U. Last night when I turned on the TV, which was set to a non-active input source (with low ambient lighting in the background) to my horror I could see an after-image on the screen where the graphics for the game had been displayed. I put the TV on DISC-HD and after watching this channel for a while the retained image disappeared.

Image retention is real and if not properly managed can cause permanent damage to a display. The best way to prevent this is to display full screen images, preferably without an omnipresent station logo, whenever possible.

dontdothat88

02-07-06, 07:57 AM

Where do you find the calibration disc?
google or ebay avia calibration

tapmba

02-07-06, 09:04 AM

Falhawk

02-07-06, 09:10 AM

Could you please give some more details on putting the TV on Disc-HD? How can this be done? Sorry for the dumb question and thank you in advance.
he changed the channel to discovery HD

mbroadus

02-07-06, 04:55 PM

Jason,

I not sure what plasma you bought, but most plasma has a screensaver mode you can set. (i.e. panny)..Where do I find this function? I have a new Panny TH-37PX50U.

optivity

02-07-06, 07:32 PM

he changed the channel to discovery HDCorrect. Any SD/HD program displayed on the entire screen should erase a temporary after image.

darcraver

02-08-06, 02:07 PM

I've had my Panny for 3 months. It has been professionally calibrated. I only watch DVD's (on zoom, full or just) on it and the menu display from a Prismiq media player. I don't watch SD or HD yet, but will sometime in the future.

The Prismiq media player is simply a device that enables you to wirelessly transmit music and video files from your PC to a A/V Receiver and TV. This device has a menu with lot's of static images. Because of these static images, I select the files I want to play and then turn the TV off. Sometimes I accidentally leave the menu on, but the device has a built-in screen saver that comes on after 10 minutes.

Last night I was playing some files using the Prismiq device (which is on input 2 on the TV). I then went to watch a DVD, but I accidentally pulled out the power cord of the DVD player. For DVD's, I use input 1 on the TV. As the DVD player was unplugged, the "NO SIGNAL" appeared on the TV, but I also got severe image retention from the static menu items and logo from the Prismiq player. Of course, the screen was black, so I could see the image retention more clearly. I watched the movie for 2 hours on the Zoom setting, but the image retention was still there at the end of the 2 hours. I turned the TV off and went to bed. I got up this morning and the image retention was still there, but not quite as bad. I'm going to be doing some more research on the "white-scroll bar" feature I saw documented here: http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/pressroom/cont2.asp?Filter=12&cont_id=822 and see if that removes my image retention. I'm hoping I don't have burn-in, and am not panicking.... yet....

If it is so difficult for burn-in to occur why do Panasonic explicitly state that the warranty covers all defects apart from burn-in?

igneous

02-08-06, 04:21 PM

I have my panasonic th42px50u set to display the side bars as the brightest, and my cox motorola 6412 cable box to display sidebar 4:3 pic, which I guess forces the tv to show black sidebars, so I am worried about burn in. Im not sure if theres anyway for the sidebars to be grey. Has anyone else had a similar situation? I don't want to watch stretched 4:3 content, so I don't really have any other choices..

ErnieW

02-08-06, 05:50 PM

darcraver

02-09-06, 02:14 PM

igneous

02-09-06, 05:53 PM

Igneous,

I have the 50px50 and the 6412. My 6412 only puts out black sidebars on HD channels, when SD signals have been upscaled.

For SD signals from the 6412 on non-HD channels, I've set my Panny's sidebars to "bright"...

To do this for the TV, click "Menu" on the TV's remote,
Click "Setup"
Cursor Up to the little reverse arrow
Cursor up again
Cursor up to "Other Adjust"
Click "Other Adjust"
Cursor to "Sidebar" and set to "Bright" using Left or Right Arrows on remote

I hope this is what you want to do.

--Ernie
I have mine set to bright as well, but they only end up being grey when there is SD content on HD stations..
Another weird thing is that the sidebar adjust feature is locked now, I can't change it anymore for some reason. Not sure why.

Michaelsean

02-10-06, 01:07 PM

So to boil it all down, for the first 100 hours, I simply need to dial down the brightness and contrast and make certain I watch things full screen. After that point I'm essentially in the clear, correct?

sievers

02-10-06, 02:24 PM

I tried the white horizontal screen saver. I also watched a number of DVD's yesterday. But, I still have burn-in on the TV. If the input source is turned off when I view the TV, then the screen is a very dark grey and I can easily see the burn-in images. The burn-in images are not so noticable when watching a movie, but if I look closely during dark sceen's I can definitely see them.

My TV has been used for 120 hours. Does anyone have any tips for me on how to persuade Panasonic to take this TV back? Is there any way I can "break" this TV so that it appears to be a manufacture fault under warranty? (burn-in is not covered)

What really gets me is that I took the precautions of lowering contrast and brightness, I only displayed the static images from the media player for a max of 10-15 mins at a time and enabled the screen saver on the media player so that the static images would not be displayed for too long.

you may end up ok yet, give it a little more time. 120 hours is pretty young. Do the panny's have an inverse function? If they don't, they need to get on it, that is the number 1 image retention/burn in fighter available IMO. I still don't see how moving a white bar across the screen is supposed to combat image retention/burn in. Orbiters may soften edges but overall are pretty lame too IMO. The inverse function puts the power right where you need it.

Wasabi Shiba

02-10-06, 04:15 PM

Do the panny's have an inverse function?

I'm not too sure about the consumer models, but the commercial models do, of which the TH-50PHD8UK is.

darcraver

02-10-06, 11:35 PM

I'm not too sure about the consumer models, but the commercial models do, of which the TH-50PHD8UK is.
It is called the "negative" screen saver. It displays a yellow screen.

I rang Panasonic support and they said to run the white bar scroll screen saver over-night. I did this, and the burn-in (I'm still hoping it is just image retention...) was slightly less visible. I'll be running the negative screen saver tonight and see if that makes any difference.

I am quite amazed at this predicament I am in. I am technically savvy, and thought I was taking precautions with this TV, but it still looks like I have burn-in. I have friends who are not technically savvy at all and have bought plasma TV's for mainly playing games on!

As the prices of these TV's come down in price, more and more people are going to buy these TV's. The manufacturers cannot expect everyone to read newsgroups such as this one. I think that at a minimum the manufacturers should state in big, bold letters at the beginning of the manual that these TV's are not suitable for static image display.

Panasonic state that the 8th generation plasma's have no worse burn in than a standard CRT. What a load of rubbish!

barrianne

02-11-06, 12:05 AM

Can I just say how bright and static the NBC Olympics logo is? Dudes, you guys are bragging about your HD Olympics. How about a transparent logo?

D Alchemist

02-11-06, 06:52 PM

Panasonic has the best plasma sets, IMHO, including burn-in resisitance. But the marketing department and the engineers there have agreed to not speak to each other in order to dupe the public and sell more sets. The engineers issue white papers stating that burn-in has been dramaqtically reduced and you really only need to worry about it for the very first part of the life span of a plasma- only 800-1,000 hours(!). Let's see, that's about 2 years in my house.

Meanwhile, marketing feeds the retailers materials that just describe the sets as virtually bunr-in free. So, Joe & Jane Blow go to CC, BB et al and come away convinced that burn-in is a non-issue. Some of those folks eventually become customers of my custom install business, and I have to try and de-program the lies. Sometimes they just don't believe me, and I'll lose the whole system because I refuse to lie. They want a 50"+ flat panel as a primary TV for a family with kids and game boxes and CC says they can have it for $3k- that's simply a lie. The problem with retialing is that there is no EBay rating ticker over the entrance telling you what percentage of customers were happy.

The burn-in charateristc of plasma cells is inherent in the material. It will likely continue to get marginally better, but it is also unlikely to ever go away. 95% of the displays I sell are LCD and front projectors and that won't change anytime soon

I've had my Panny for 3 months. It has been professionally calibrated. I only watch DVD's (on zoom, full or just) on it and the menu display from a Prismiq media player. I don't watch SD or HD yet, but will sometime in the future.

The Prismiq media player is simply a device that enables you to wirelessly transmit music and video files from your PC to a A/V Receiver and TV. This device has a menu with lot's of static images. Because of these static images, I select the files I want to play and then turn the TV off. Sometimes I accidentally leave the menu on, but the device has a built-in screen saver that comes on after 10 minutes.

Last night I was playing some files using the Prismiq device (which is on input 2 on the TV). I then went to watch a DVD, but I accidentally pulled out the power cord of the DVD player. For DVD's, I use input 1 on the TV. As the DVD player was unplugged, the "NO SIGNAL" appeared on the TV, but I also got severe image retention from the static menu items and logo from the Prismiq player. Of course, the screen was black, so I could see the image retention more clearly. I watched the movie for 2 hours on the Zoom setting, but the image retention was still there at the end of the 2 hours. I turned the TV off and went to bed. I got up this morning and the image retention was still there, but not quite as bad. I'm going to be doing some more research on the "white-scroll bar" feature I saw documented here: http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/pressroom/cont2.asp?Filter=12&cont_id=822 and see if that removes my image retention. I'm hoping I don't have burn-in, and am not panicking.... yet....

If it is so difficult for burn-in to occur why do Panasonic explicitly state that the warranty covers all defects apart from burn-in?

rwkoehler

02-12-06, 02:01 AM

Does anyone have any experience with the "pixel shift" feature which is supposedly available on newer plasma models to help alleviate burn-in?

The Samsung models HPR5052 and HPR5072 both appear to have this feature.

darcraver

02-12-06, 04:50 PM

Does anyone have any experience with the "pixel shift" feature which is supposedly available on newer plasma models to help alleviate burn-in?

Panasonic has it. Would have helped if I would have turned it on...

After trying the negative screen saver and the white horizontal bar screen saver the previous two nights, my burn-in has definitely faded. It is still very visible from two feet away, but from nine feet away (my viewing distance) it is hardly noticable.

I went through my various picture settings and noticed that for input 2 I had the "picture" setting very high. When going through the user manual a few weeks ago, I must have hit "normalize" and set the settings back to their factory default's... which means a very high contrast! My mistake, but surely the manufacturers of plasma's shouldn't make their factory defaults the settings that are most likely to cause burn-in. And why isn't stuff like the "pixel shift" turned on by default?!

rwkoehler

02-12-06, 05:53 PM

Thanks for the info. Are you sure about Panasonic having pixel shift? I was told by two different dealers that only the Samsung and the LG models have it.

Regarding burn-in, although it is not a huge difference, when side-by-side, the Panasonic certainly seems to have the sharpest picture. I like the Samsung for a lot of its features, particularly the pixel shift, but the picture is just slightly darker and less sharp. I did try adjusting the Samsung picture via the on-screen controls and still it just did not quite match up to the Panasonic. I noticed that the Samsung seemed very comparable in PQ to almost every other model with the exception of the Panasonic and the Pioneer. I noticed this same difference in three different stores where I was able to see the pictures side-by-side.

Is there a downside to the Panasonic picture being that sharp? Would that increase burn-in potential?

darcraver

02-12-06, 06:07 PM

On the Panasonic it is called "Wobbling" (automatically shifts the display image at a dot level pitch(therefore unnoticable to the eye) over time to prevent after image of sharper contour of image.

The Panasonic is a great plasma TV. I just wish them and the other plasma manufacturers were more honest and open about the potential problems with these TV's - and the default factory settings keep the contrast, brightness down and the wobbling and peak limit on!

I've also tried LCD's TV's. I find plasma's to have a warmer picture. The LCD TV's couldn't keep up with fast moving objects such as a hockey puck. Rear projection TV's are awful imo. I got the "rainbow effect". I can even see it in a brightly lit showroom. I think this rainbow effect is a LOT more widespread than we are led to believe.... When I had my rear projection TV, I could "teach" every one of my friends to see the rainbow effect...

sievers

02-12-06, 06:41 PM

It is called the "negative" screen saver. It displays a yellow screen.

Did you put on the menu that caused the retention while using the negative setting? If it was just yellow it sounds like not.

darcraver

02-12-06, 06:51 PM

Did you put on the menu that caused the retention while using the negative setting? If it was just yellow it sounds like not.
Aha. Thank you :)

DeltaTL6

02-12-06, 09:56 PM

Can I just say how bright and static the NBC Olympics logo is? Dudes, you guys are bragging about your HD Olympics. How about a transparent logo?

Agreed, I've been watching it quite often on my new pio 5060. Now i see some image retention of that stupid logo (i hope that's what it is, an image rentention, TEMPORARY at that). Why can't they think of something like a transparent logo like u said, or at least shift the logo to the other corner from time to time.

renlopez

02-13-06, 01:08 PM

Aha. Thank you :)
Darcraver,

Do a search on this Thread for a series of posts by myself and iamanoobiecheez. He had burn in caused by a static bright white tachometer from a car racing game. I recommended he use the negative with the same game to try to reverse the burn-in.

His experience was that the negative worsened the problem. Theoretically it should fix it, so I'm just warning you to be careful.

Do a search on this thread for that exchange. iamanoobiecheez posted a bunch of screenshots of the burn in, one of the negative screensaver, and some shots of the burn in after the negative. FWIW he has a 50PHD7UY.

Good Luck

edin555

02-13-06, 01:46 PM

I just got my first plasma and thanks to reading AVS Forums I learned that for the first 100 hours I should have it on low brightness/contrast.

However, I don't have Dish yet (and won't for another month) so I was wondering if I can "break it in" by playing a 3 hour movie about 30 times if I do the PLAY MOVIE selection rather quick, or is that not recommended due to the DVD's still images?

Thanks,
Edin

Ps. I realize that there is a burn-in thread but it has meanwhile about 1million posts and the first 10 pages didn't answer my very "uncommon" question.

N8G

02-13-06, 02:09 PM

I think your question is will it be ok when playing the DVD to select the 'play movie' function from the title screen while looping it. If that is what you are asking, you taking the worry about burn-in way overboard. You will be able to have a static image on the screen for at least 5-10 minutes with no worry of burn-in even during the break-in period. Just don't leave it up for half an hour or something and you will be fine. I didn't bother to break mine in beyond normal viewing with the exception of making sure not to have any black bars on the screen. I am approaching 100 hours now and I haven't seen any hint of image retention yet and I am definitely not that careful.

DEFman

02-13-06, 02:52 PM

I agree.
With the low picture and brightness settings you may find that you like the picture better. I find that low brightness makes my SD shows on cable much nicer to watch.
Play your DVDs in full or justify mode for a while, but don't worry too much. Of course, don't leave a static screen for a half hour or so.

crypticstatic

02-13-06, 04:00 PM

While I'm still breaking in my new 42inch plasma I watch regular programming with logo's and such as I always would I just make sure to watch them in "full screen mode" and I also have my contrast and brightness down below 50% as well.

I'll have a logo on there for 10-15mins til commercial break while i'm watching the program and I have no hint what so ever of image retention or burn in.

darcraver

02-13-06, 04:24 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I read those posts. But, I am finding a gradual improvement by using a combination of the screen savers and watching movies on full-screen. The image retention/burn-in was very bad a few days ago, and I have a feeling I will always be able to see it, but hopefully not when I am watching movies.

I just wish I hadn't "played" with the picture settings and hit "normalize" to set the TV back to it's factory settings with a very high contrast!

elvisisded

02-13-06, 07:13 PM

jspirate

02-13-06, 08:42 PM

Has anyone that has bought a new plasma in the last year or so actually experienced any burn in. I asked Panasonic about it and they seemed to be giving me over the top be safe advice. Stuff like don't watch with the bars more than hour a day and avoid logos whenever possible. Just wondered what real life experience some of you may have had. Thanks.

Not personally, but go to a brick and morter store and you will find at least one plasma with seriously ugly burn in. The most recent horror I saw was the "ESPN" logo and sidebars that were burnind into a 5060. It was hard to look at.

Hopefully nobody uses their plamsa like BestBuy does :eek:

elvisisded

02-13-06, 09:54 PM

Thank you for your inquiry. Any static image that is displayed on the
screen for an extended period of time (extended meaning more than 15% of
the total viewing time per week, or an hour of viewing time per day) has
the potential to cause burn-in, and that goes for gray bars as well. Ways
to reduce this is adjusting the contrast, brightness and color on your
television to a lower level. Use common sense when it comes to your
plasma TV; don't pause video games or watch TV stations with station logos
on-screen for long periods of time, and use one of the many display
calibration DDS available today for properly setting brightness and
contrast.

Thank You,
Panasonic Consumer Support

Is this being overly safe?

GlenH

02-13-06, 10:08 PM

I would say so. I have watched hundreds of 2.35:1 aspect ratio movies with black bars on top and bottom for the past 3 years. I've also played video games with static menus, etc. My Fujitsu plasma (Panasonic glass) shows absolutely no hint of burn-in. This is with the older generation Panasonic glass rated at 30K hrs to half life. I would think the newer models rated at 60K hrs to half life would be even less prone to burn-in.

westa6969

02-13-06, 10:24 PM

Damn that response sounds like an old boilerplate response, it lists things everyone does with their sets from time to time. Hell, every channel has some logo plastered. If all this led to Burn in which is permanent there wouldn't be many customers buying and they'd be covering warranty loses wouldn't they?

Pretty bad when a Manufacturer gives a response this cautionary-me thinks this is the lawyers disclaimer response. If this is the case what the hell does the orbiting pixels do? We'd be witnessing much more burn in reported here. :D

elvisisded

02-13-06, 10:53 PM

That was my thought too. I'm not to excited about paying out $4000 for a tv that I can only watch certain channels on. Their response has me rethinking a SXRD!

DMRSX

02-14-06, 12:11 AM

I think I have between 500-700 hours on my 42PX50U now. I probably spend about 30% of the time (maybe more) playing games on this panel. I have had ZERO problems with burn in. I will say I've been a bit more careful while I try to achieve 1000 hours, however the other night I did have a scare.

I leave my PDP on Discovery HD over night to get some extra hours on the panel. Upon waking up (some 6-8 hours later) I found my Comcast box had frozen on an image of a high contrast image of a plant. I freaked out, but after another hour of normal TV viewing the image was gone.

The more I use this panel the less I ever see any image retention. A couple more months and I expect this issue to be moot for me.

darcraver

02-14-06, 12:41 AM

Has anyone that has bought a new plasma in the last year or so actually experienced any burn in. I asked Panasonic about it and they seemed to be giving me over the top be safe advice. Stuff like don't watch with the bars more than hour a day and avoid logos whenever possible. Just wondered what real life experience some of you may have had. Thanks.
See my posts from the last couple of days...

Panasonic's advice is not over the top! This advice should be in the user manual.

elvisisded

02-14-06, 02:10 AM

Does the warranty cover burn in?

Techniwizard

02-14-06, 02:55 AM

tdavis21484

02-14-06, 09:00 AM

Does the warranty cover burn in?

No one's does, not even Extended Warranties.

It's considered product misuse/abuse.

Cholerabob

02-14-06, 09:30 AM

Do you really think that with all the users that there is here with Panasonic's, that burn in is really a problem ?? I would think not...because there would a hell lot more ranting and complaints posts....

optivity

02-14-06, 09:39 AM

Bud-man

02-14-06, 10:39 AM

Burn away baby, just give me another reason to return to my local Ctco!

edin555

02-14-06, 03:50 PM

Thanks a lot for everybody's responses.

So it is ok that I put a wide-screen movie (with no bars) a loop it for the first 100 hours?

optivity

02-14-06, 05:06 PM

Whatever "floats your boat..." but most honest buyer's aren't looking to scam a big box retailer...

jspirate

02-14-06, 08:13 PM

Whatever "floats your boat..." but most honest buyer's aren't looking to scam a big box retailer...

I agree. I it feels wrong, it is wrong.

darcraver

02-15-06, 02:22 PM

Permanent image retention can occur if a PDP is abused. The best way to prevent permanent image retention (a.k.a. burn in) is to use common sense and follow the manufacturers recommendations regarding the proper care and maintenance for your plasma TV/monitor... for example:

"Abuse" is subjective. See my posts and you will see that I hardly "abused" my set. Manufacturers recommendations?! They are not exactly spelt out in the user manual... The link you provided will only be known by a user if they browse sites such as this one or do some digging on the Panasonic site. The default settings on most plasma sets are settings that will cause burn-in if the plasma displays bright static images for 10-15 minutes a few times a day. The default settings should have a much lower contrast and brightness.

Users need to be more educated on the care and use of a plasma TV. The only way the general public will be educated is for more manufacturers to provide warnings and guidelines on the front pages of the manual.

AL B.

02-16-06, 12:37 AM

I am seriously thinking going with a plasma set if sony don't fix my green blob problems on my 60 inch sxrd.
I would likely go pioneer 50 but maybe hitachi,possilby even samsung in 50 inch size ,unless 60 inchers come down in price a bit more.

I do play lots of games on my tv so really need to no this.Have you burned your plasma with a game and what make of tv and how old is it.Understand the older sets burned in easier.

dnamertz

02-18-06, 12:09 PM

barrianne

02-18-06, 12:12 PM

Are Avia or Digital Video Essentials still useful when used to calibrate today's plasma TVs? I was reading some reviews that say some of the Avia test patterns don't work on newer plasmas...anyone had this problem?

Which disc do people recommend for a newbie to calibrate a Panasonic plasma to prevent "burn-in"...Avia or Digital Video Essentials?

I used the Avia recently to calibrate my TH42PHDUK. To be honest the picture was pretty fantastic out of the box -- just don't use the 'dynamic' (torch) setting. The Avia settings were pretty close to how we had turned most of the levels down to, to prevent burn in -- didn't seem to be too far off from where we were in the first place. There were no big revelations.

dnamertz

02-18-06, 02:17 PM

DeltaTL6

02-19-06, 02:02 AM

mattpattberg

02-19-06, 02:53 PM

Is "burn-in" an issue on Rear-Projection LCDs?

Also, are transparent station logos much of a problem or is it just the bold logos that can really cause problems? Almost every show I watch is on a channel that has a logo, so there's not much I'll be able to watch during my "break-in period" if transparent logos are a problem.

I have a 60" Sony GWIII for the past 2 years or so and I have left tons of static images on there... Not one issue. I have heard of some people seeing 'image rentention' but that goes away...

I have been looking for a TV for my in laws and I know they would love a plasma... but I don't think they will have much dsicipline when it comes to actually watching TV, so I tink I will have to get them an LCD...

mypepper

02-19-06, 08:27 PM

Be aware of the NBC logo when watching the olympics!!!!
Even with my plasma set to a very low contrast setting, that stupid logo still left an image on the screen, even after hours of watching something else!~ It's barely noticeable though, but grrrrr!

Here is my dilemma, I would prefer a Hitachi 42HDT52 or the Toshiba 42HPX95 plasma. After reading all these helpful posts, I tend to believe that plasmas can or could develope burn-in rather easily. I looked at the Sony KDL-V40XBR1 today at Sears, and the picture looked great, but at a much higher price tag. In talking to one of the Video Only sales reps today, he said that the latest generation of plasmas have a different phosphor to help prevent burn-in. Is this true or not?

Thanks for all your expert advise and knowledge,
Randy

hound

02-20-06, 04:35 PM

Station logos are one of the major reasons why I may not go with plasma, as much as I like it and think that plasma is much superior. Why can't stations make the logos much fainter than they are now? Not only are they a danger to plasma sets, they are also very distracting.

tacos

02-21-06, 10:37 AM

Socceteer

02-21-06, 12:41 PM

Man I don't feel like reading all these posts. So, I'm just gonna ask someone to help me out here. And hope for a response. I'm gonna buy a plasma tv and like everyone else I sure don't want any burn in issues. However, I'm afraid that my girlfriend (who lives with me) would probably be the one who would mess it up. Seeing how I'm at work alot of the time while she is at home.
Anyway, I'm thinking of maybe putting it in the spare bedroom and not use it as my main tv until the recommended hours are up. So, with that said. What is the best way to do this? Should I play alot of 1:85 dvds while letting it break in? Or do I just turn it on and let it sit there or what should I do? Thanks for any help you can provide.
I say get rid of the girlfriend....that should solve your problem ! JUST KIDDING :D

Socceteer

02-21-06, 12:55 PM

mrkeeling

02-21-06, 01:52 PM

Man I don't feel like reading all these posts. So, I'm just gonna ask someone to help me out here. And hope for a response. I'm gonna buy a plasma tv and like everyone else I sure don't want any burn in issues. However, I'm afraid that my girlfriend (who lives with me) would probably be the one who would mess it up. Seeing how I'm at work alot of the time while she is at home.
Anyway, I'm thinking of maybe putting it in the spare bedroom and not use it as my main tv until the recommended hours are up. So, with that said. What is the best way to do this? Should I play alot of 1:85 dvds while letting it break in? Or do I just turn it on and let it sit there or what should I do? Thanks for any help you can provide.Well if you can’t (won’t) get rid of the girlfriend, ;) here is another half-serious advice (if you are buying Pany commercial plasma):

Set picture and brightens to –20 and aspect ratio to “zoom”, than “ID lock” the remote so than she can not change anything. You should be perfectly safe unless she leaves static image on for really long time
:D

icecom

02-22-06, 04:59 PM

Burn in is a myth. I have Panasonic 42PHD8UK for 3 months, i didn't break in as sugested here. Watched chanels with Logo, black bar on DVD, no image retention whatsoever. Just enjoy your TV

hound

02-22-06, 06:51 PM

To solve some of these problems, maybe we should be asking the networks instead of the manufacturers to make some changes, as an example.

1) We should ask them to make their logos a rotating logo instead of a fix logo.
2) We should ask the HD stations to transmit everything wide screen, such as TNT HD does
3) We should ask them to be aware of the issue with plasma screens and should be more aware of possible burn in when they place static logos or score boards.

I think for the regular consumer who watches 4 hours of TV a day, these will not be issues for some years, but for the plasma screens at stores or offices, this is a large cost, if the have to replace them every 2 years

That is a great idea. How would we do it? I wonder if the moderators would allow names and addresses of the people in charge at the networks to be posted so that we could all write to them to make these changes? It also seems to me that with all that Congress thinks is its business, maybe they could get involved.

meant2live

02-23-06, 04:18 PM

im not going to break in my 42'' akai plasma. its too cheap to care about..

i'll post again once i see burn in. I'll bet you guys it'll break before it burns in..

hydro5.56

02-23-06, 08:44 PM

hydro5.56

02-26-06, 12:32 PM

anybody?

BruZZi

02-26-06, 01:10 PM

i have a sony wega KDE37XS955 plasma display. there are a couple of options for the screen saver. one is a solid BRIGHT white screen. is this similar, or designed to do the same thing as some of the "whitewash" features on other plasmas?
Yup.

if so, how is it best utilized? thanks.
There's no need to use it unless you are seeing signs of image retention on your Plasma.

ATTENTION: The New Domain for BruZZi's Plasma FAQ is www.bruzzi.ws
If you have a direct link to the site please uptade to the new Domain Name.
All the links in the Panasonic FAQ Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=407154) are already updated.

Krops

02-26-06, 07:56 PM

I purchased a Pioneer PDP 5060 in September 2005. I regulary watch AdultSwim (Cartoon Network's post 11pm line-up) and SciFi channel. AdultSwim has a solid white logo in the lower-right, and SciFi has a larger transparent logo in the lower-right.

Recently I noticed a faint after-image of both logos when viewing a pure-white screen. I can somewhat understand the AdultSwim logo since I watch that every day, but I watch SciFi's Friday lineup (3 hours) once per week. The after-image is consistent so I think this is burn-in and not image retention.

I splurged on plasma since I thought it had the best picture and that burn-in was no longer an issue as long as I was careful about leaving static images (menus, games, paused images, etc) on the panel.

What a shock it was to see burn-in from just normal viewing. Am I not able to enjoy any show on a regular basis that has a static logo (transparent or otherwise)?

So am I doing anything wrong? My contrast (22) and brightness (-2) are below factory.

I can tolerate the normal usage restrictions plasma imposes (no/limited game and PC sources), but changing my viewing patterns is too much a sacrifice for the beautiful picture.

Viventis

03-01-06, 09:09 AM

I have had my Pioneer 5060 HD a week and a half and did a 100 hour burn in routine. Last night I fell asleep watching an HD basketball game on ESPN. When I awoke, the side bars were on and probably had been for a few hours.

When switching to another channel, not only did I notice the notorious ESPN logo on the lower right, but stripes on the side bar areas from their new fancy side bar art work.

I have been running the SVCD break in disk found on the first post of this thread for about an hour and a half. I have noticed improvement (the lines in the side bars are almost entirely gone and the ESPN is not visible in all of the colors). I will continue to run the disk while I am at work to see if (hopefully) the logo disappears entirely. To think this happened in just one late night of college basketball.

BTW: Can anyone think of something better than the break in SVCD to try to get rid of retention/burn in images? The Pioneer does not have the white wash feature of the Pannys. Too bad nobody has come up with a negative image ESPN logo to use.

renlopez

03-01-06, 11:49 AM

Does the 5060 have a negative screen saver like the Commercial Panny's? You could run ESPN w/ the same side bars in negative and see if it reduces the burn in.

If you don't have negative on the 5060, you could find someone with a commercial panny to run their negative screen while watching ESPN and have them burn you a DVD. I don't know if you could find anyone to do that for you since that would put them at risk for burn in. Also, with each individual panel's overscan setting along with the fact that DVD's are only 480i/p, you might not get an exact negative overlay of your original image. That could potentially worsen the burn in.

If you don't want to take that risk of running negative, just continue watching full screen material/or running the break in disk and try not to let the burn-in bother you. It will go away with time due to the law of exponential decay.

Viventis

03-01-06, 12:41 PM

I have had my Pioneer 5060 HD a week and a half and did a 100 hour burn in routine. Last night I fell asleep watching an HD basketball game on ESPN. When I awoke, the side bars were on and probably had been for a few hours.

When switching to another channel, not only did I notice the notorious ESPN logo on the lower right, but stripes on the side bar areas from their new fancy side bar art work.

I have been running the SVCD break in disk found on the first post of this thread for about an hour and a half. I have noticed improvement (the lines in the side bars are almost entirely gone and the ESPN is not visible in all of the colors). I will continue to run the disk while I am at work to see if (hopefully) the logo disappears entirely. To think this happened in just one late night of college basketball.

BTW: Can anyone think of something better than the burn in SVCD to try to get rid of retention/burn in images? The Pioneer does not have the white wash feature of the Pannys. Too bad nobody has come up with a negative image ESPN logo to use.

After 5 hours of the break in SVCD, the ESPN logo is barely visible (I can tell something is there but can't read the letters). I will let the disk continue to play and am now optimistic that this is just (well retained) image retention, not true burn in.

UPDATE: After 10 hours it looks like all traces of the ESPN logo are gone. Keep this in mind if you have a logo burn in issue.

EdPell

03-02-06, 04:46 PM

OH NO!!!

I just read all 38 pages of this thread and now my monitor has an AV Forum burn-in!!!

Jes' kiddin'

Hedonist

03-02-06, 05:30 PM

OH NO!!!

I just read all 38 pages of this thread and now my monitor has an AV Forum burn-in!!!

Jes' kiddin'

lol, hope you didn't read all 38 pages!!! and saved time by searching instead.

mdh95070

03-02-06, 09:17 PM

i've noticed some content (mostly movies) is encoded in letterbox format where you can't remove the black bars by playing around with aspect controls or even manually changing the horizontal or vertical controls on the TV. Most of postings (and manuals) warn you to avoid bars at all cost. Is this over blown? Some movies go 2-3 hours... and there are times when people might watch two movies back to back.

tks in advance,

Hedonist

03-03-06, 10:44 AM

I haven' had any problems with those types of movies yet...and my plasma is around 100-200 hours old.

Seems like most important is to have the right picture and brightness settings.

ssabripo

03-04-06, 08:07 PM

i'm running the DVD burn-in since 2 oclock this afternoon......non-stop!

how long do I need to keep going? :confused:

Sinistral

03-06-06, 01:24 AM

Who-Dey

03-06-06, 10:58 AM

I have notices on dark scenes (also when commercials fade to black), the right side of the screen is a bit lighter than the rest of the screen. Its right at the edge of the black bars that display on a 4X3 image, but its not a straight line... almost looks like dust... and its always there. I have had the logos before (just in the beginning for a few minutes here and there), and have now logged over 100 hours with no other signs of burn-in.

Does this sound like a problem with the screen, or is this a strange form of burn-in? I am pretty good about using zoom/stretch, and I will be trying to do a "screen wipe" tonight. I just thought I would see if anyone else has any ideas on this behavior.

Viventis

03-06-06, 11:36 AM

renlopez

03-06-06, 11:47 AM

Going to start breaking in my 8UK soon. Hoping the crew here can help answer a couple of beginner questions that I couldn't find on a forum search/or by reading the preceding pages.

Using my uninformed mind, would it make sense to 'break-in' a new plasma with the contrast/picture turned way up?

I know the conventional wisdom is to turn it down for the initial 100 hours, but if I was using a 'break-in' DVD like EA's, would it accelerate the time/process?

Using my same uninformed mind, would it make sense to display an all-white (or white-wipe screen saver) to even accelerate that process?

Disclaimer: I don't know much in the way of 'break-in', just what I have read here/on Bruzzi's FAQ/ and the Panny white paper.

Theoretically you are correct, tuning the constrast/picture way up would accelerate the process of burn-in, but only if you are absolutely sure that each color phosphor is equally utilized, i.e. white screen/bar etc.

However, there is another school of thought. It says that while you can do this to accelerate burn-in, running a full white screen on max contrast and brightness can generate a lot of heat and stress on the other electrical components of the plasma putting them at risk, hence the analogy of driving a car 100mph during break in.

I would just be patient and watch full screen material with contrast turned down, and run the screen saver a couple of hours a day if you choose. If you decide to run a full white screen, keep a careful watch on how hot the plasma gets as it may be a sign that you are stressing out the electrical components.

Good luck.

Sinistral

03-06-06, 01:44 PM

barrianne

03-07-06, 07:53 PM

Thanks for the help. I know very little, thats why I come to where the experts are. I did get a copy of the break-in VCD from the beginning of this post, and I will use it: at low contrast and picture.

Thanks again.
\
I have had my 8UK for about 6 weeks now, and after much panic at the beginning regarding burn in, have had absolutely no problem so far.

mpr86

03-08-06, 02:52 PM

Viventis

03-08-06, 04:34 PM

Guys,

I just purchased a Pioneer Elite 1130-HD and wanted to begin the break-in process. I was concerned on how to do it properly. I downloaded the break-in DVD and placed it in my DVD Player. Here are my questions:

I'm using S-Video as the output, do you guys recommend I purchase a HDMI based DVD player and THEN break it in with the new DVD player or does S-Video/RCA not matter when breaking it in. Also, which mode should I set my plasma in? Dynamic/Pure/Standard? Also I know I need to lower the brightness/contrast. But by how much? Do I lower them both ALL the way? Or a little bit.

I'm a beginer to all of this new technology so I'm a bit hesitant and want to do everything properly. Any advice would help. Thanks!

S-Video should be fine for the break in DVD as long as the entire screen is covered with the display.

I would use Standard, Game or Movie mode rather than Dynamic. There are quite a few posts about the "break in settings" in this forum, particularly in the "Official Pioneer ........" thread that is on the first page almost every day. I don't think that there is any one official setting so I would read several of the recommendations. Most folks have been using settings posted by D-Nice.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7174508&highlight=1130+break+in+settings#post7174508

azrael1234

03-09-06, 02:02 PM

I have a Zenith and would love to hook up a mac mini to this, but I'm worried about burn-in. Anyone have any experiences bad/good with this?

almostinsane

03-09-06, 08:41 PM

No different than hooking up a DVD player, cable TV, console game system.

mattsoft

03-11-06, 05:16 PM

If your Zenith has an 'orbit' or 'pixel shift' mode, you might want to turn that on. It will orbit or shift the screen around in small increments to help offset the constant image on the screen.

TheSkeptiks

03-11-06, 06:44 PM

I wouldn't hook my PC up to my plasma if I will be using the PC a lot.

I play X360 everyday and played Xbox1 everyday since I bought my plasma so I am not worried about burn-in, but having a computer desk top on my display would worry me.

That's just me though.

I have a Pioneer 4340.

knownothing1

03-13-06, 10:49 PM

renlopez

03-14-06, 11:22 AM

First off, I want to thank all of the contributors to the board. Have been lurking on the board for a long while and appreciate all of the informative posts. Now it's time to be selfish.

I just got the Panasonic 42px60u. Will I be safe watching NCAA tourney games? What if I only wanted to watch one game? That scoreboard in the lower right hand corner worries me. I hate this crap about not watching a channel with a static image for an "extended period" of time. Is this simply too big of a risk for a brand new plasma?

Watching games right off the bat with a new plasma, you will probably get image retention with the logo/scoreboard. You should be fine if you just follow up the game with a couple of hours of full screen content and the retention should go away. Keep the contrast low.

john_fl

03-14-06, 05:02 PM

Hi Guys,
Long time lurker, first time poster.

I'm new to Plasma, just got rid of a 27" RCA. So, I do some reading and decide on a Panasonic TH-37PX50U...Get it home, plug it in, looks great. Then I see the sticky thread about "master burn-in and break-in". What's this about, I think...I thought this would be easy...Ha

So, from what I understand, make a cd of the mpeg images from the first post on this thread and run it on my DVD player for around 100 hrs. before increasing the color,contrast, ect. to perfect (set to the AVIA DVD) levels...Correct so far?

But, my main question is, what should I set the color, contrast, brightness, ect. to while the color break-in disk is running. I mean, how low should they be...It seems if I set them too low you won't see the screen while it runs...that can't be too conducive to a break-in, I wouldn't think. So just set it so you can see the colors but not vibrant?

Thanks
JohnL

Directv R-10 (for now)

renlopez

03-14-06, 05:50 PM

You can set the contrast to normal or standard when running the break-in CD. You can even run with contrast on high or vivid setting when running the break-in CD since the CD will give you even colors. I wouldn't stress out my plasma by running the break in CD on vivid overnight. A couple of hours running the CD on Vivid should be fine. If you do it overnight, turn the settings lower to decrease stress on the screen/electronics.

If you run the break-in CD with the picture set so low you can't see the screen then you are not doing much to break the screen in. Just like you can't break a car in by just letting the engine idle.

john_fl

03-14-06, 06:04 PM

Thank's for the advise...

BioHazard

03-15-06, 11:07 AM

I here that the TH-42PX60U is a 9th generation panel. Does this make it less prone to burnin?

azrael1234

03-16-06, 08:15 PM

Just for a reference for people. I have a Zenith 50" and have fallen asleep twice while watching a DVD and waking up in horror to see the DVD menu being displayed for the past few hours while I was taking my cat nap. There was image retention, but after watching standard television for a few minutes the image was gone. I have an orbiter setting (which doesn't help that much if you ask me). I did a standard burn in of 100+ hours at low settings, and still try to baby it as much as possible. Just wanted to let you guys know my experience, that as long as your set is decently new, burn in probably won't be a problem doing standard things and some non-standard things for a few hours. My friend has an older Sony and he does have some burn-in problems.

sonny4753

03-17-06, 04:50 AM

Hey everyone, ok I got tired of contrasting/comparing/researching and finally bought a Samsung 42" HDTV Plasma. So far very very happy with it, incredible picture. Now I immediately turned down the brightness and contrast to somewhere in the 40's and its looks great - not sure why it comes standard with it at 100.

My questions are as follows:

1. I have xbox and am wondering is it ok to run on this tv, I don't play hours and hours on end but enough to wonder will I cause problems on the screen?
2. This SVCD disc I keep reading about, which out of the 39 pages is it located in? I'd be glad to use it...and does it "really" work?
3. Anyone have any issues with this brand of tv, according to the literature this is 5th generation tv and the model #R4252.
4. I will not watch the TV in any 4:3 mode it just looks stupid so I won't even waste my time...but 16:9 is ok right?

Thanks

Other than that I have watched, Band Of Brothers, War of the Worlds, and Sopranos and don't think I'll be leaving the house soon.

intercalate

03-18-06, 01:38 AM

I have read so much about plasmas having burn-in issues. In the last year or two I started to see talk about how the burn-in issue has pretty much been fixed and that if you are not worried about your CRT having burn-in then you shouldn't worry about your plasma. I have been to many stores looking at the plasmas and have not yet seen burn-in issues. My Dad bought his Panny 50 in, set it to his likings (very bright and high settings), and has been happy ever since with no burn in.

So why do I continue to see countless threads about the 100 hour break in, people making DVDs and VCD to run 24-7 to break in the tv, etc.

Has anyone who has bought a plasma in the last year had a problem with burn-in? If so what were the circumstances, what was the TV, and did you get it resolved?

EDIT- Just saw there was a master burn-in thread. I don't want to violate any rules. If this does let me know how to correct it. Thanks.

DidHeFocus

03-18-06, 02:07 AM

I've had my Pioneer 5040 for over a year now. I occasionally get temporary image retention, but no burn-in. Good Morning America's bright orange side bars do it every time, but it goes away.

jessekenyon

03-18-06, 02:14 AM

I have read lots about plasmas and do know that in general they are no longer as bad towards burn in as they used to be but what I still want to know is after I break in my plasma is it safe to then play games on it in vivid mode for several hours at a time? I like vivid mode, I have tried avia and dont like the outcome only vivid looks good to me. Also note most of the time I watch full screen tv here and there also typicaly i would say play games in the day and in the evening would watch tv. So I would be mixing whats being displayed. So is it safe to leave in vivid mode? I have been breakig it in watching mostly dvds always filling the screen, so far I have 36 hours on it. Still a while to go. Is it bad on the tv to be turning it off and on alot? Because if I ever pause a movie I have been shuting the tv off each time so no still images will be on it.

jessekenyon

03-18-06, 02:16 AM

Forgot to metion I have the Panasonic TH-37PX50U

USCTrojan

03-18-06, 10:49 AM

With my first 37in Panny I did all of the careful burn-in stuff. With my new Hitachi I have loosened up a bit. If it was so important Hitachi would have put this in their instructional booklet. They did not. They did mention temporary image retention so I would say burn-in has been fixed and not likely to see it unless some major abuse is going on (airport screens etc..). In fact my neighbor abused his Panny from day 1 - massive games, high brightness and contrast, lots of 4:3 viewing. He has had no problems other than a temporary image retention that goes away in a few hours of regular viewing. In fact he has been so abusive to the TV I am just shocked - I have looked for the burn-in and cant find it. He now laughs at me for doing all of the 100 hour stuff with my Panny.

CentralKY05

03-18-06, 10:55 AM

I bought a 50" Zenith about six weeks ago. I get temporary image retention also. For example, after extended viewing of ESPNHD, I can see temporary retention of the ESPN logo from the ticker in the bottom right corner (Why do they make their logo bright white on a very dark background? Also, whey do they have a ticker continuously on ESPN? ESPN2 used to be the only channel with that.) Also, after watching numerous NCAA tournament games yesterday in HD, the scoreboard graphic was temporarily retained. Keep in mind that when I say retained, I can only see it when I switch to the "White Wash" setting in the Options menu. About 20 minutes of White Wash and the logos go away.

Kilted

03-18-06, 10:58 AM

If you have static images you will have burn in. I was just at corporate demo, the demo used three 42' plasma's all three had bad burn in of the corporate logo.

Avoid static images, ie TV usage you should be ok. If your connected to a computer NO static images allowed.

-- Brandy

optivity

03-19-06, 12:20 PM

I just noticed what appears to be a permanent image burned in on my PDP. I have the TV on Albany Time Warner Cable Channel 1860: UNIHD (showing no station logo) which is rebroadcasting a hockey game played during the Olympics. The predominate background is very light... the ice at the Olympic arena. On the lower right hand corner of the screen is a faint gray circular image where a TV station's logo is typically placed... is this a permanent after image caused by our content providers?

I suggest anyone who has had a plasma TV/monitor for a while to check their display and see if the omnipresent station logos of the content providers is damaging our screens.

cb32

03-19-06, 01:04 PM

ok, tried to burn the burn in link, the ISO DVD and all but I guess my DVD player doesn't support it unfortunately.

Any tips on a step by step just in case I am screwing this up? Basically, I downloaded the zip file and burned it to a CD-RW. Once in the dvd player, nothing happened. Played as a CD but nothing ever happened.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. I also tried unpacking and burning but it was too large a file for the CD. Is this the issue?

Thanks

Gun Shot

03-19-06, 07:06 PM

Thanks for the advice all, it helped me from making a very costly mistake.

geb724

03-21-06, 06:47 PM

Does anyone know a safe way to eliminate (not prevent) existing burn in of the side bars on a plasma TV?

Neild

03-21-06, 08:37 PM

Does anyone know a safe way to eliminate (not prevent) existing burn in of the side bars on a plasma TV?

Safe? Not sure what you mean by that.

Anyway, if your set doesn't have anything like a white-wash or other feature to tackle a burn, you could always create a DVD containing image or images designed to do the same thing. I believe some of the hobbyist DVD's come with stock patterns or loops for this also.

If the problem is say 2 vertical white columns, you could create a DVD with an inverse of that image and play it for many hours at a higher intensity. You might want to feather, overlap, or gradiate the edges so you don't end up with a visible line at the 4:3 borders.

Obviously you'd have to be careful of whatever method you're doing there.

If your set can handle a PC input, setting up something like this can be a bit easier.

slannes

03-21-06, 09:37 PM

I cancelled an order for a Sony KDFE50A10 rear projection HD-TV after downloading manual and discovered buried therein forewarning of fan noise that may be heard at night when quieter but is normal. Since my residence is always quiet I cancelled order before shipped as I could not live with that restriction I've never had with my faithful RCA CRT. So I bought a Hitachi 42HDS52A plasma. Since I watch TCM more than any other channel I actually wanted a 4:3 CRT but since all cabinets are silver I settled for plasma well aware of burn-in issue. However, if I was the average buyer I would have known nothing about burn-in issue also buried in the owners manual. I am in the water heater industry and we must and do place stickers on the products which are also in the owners manual so there no disputes over abuse of product that can harm product or shorten life span. The television industry may assume they have an out by burring burn-in issue in manuals average buyer does not see when buying plasma TVs and I can also presume many buyers wouldn't understand if they read. If this is major issue then warning stickers should be on plasma TVs and buyer signs an agreement they understand before buying analogous to signing a release of liability for doctors and dentists. I don't think any plasma manufacturer can void a warranty due to burn-in blamed on buyer for merely doing what product was bought for -------------being to watch TV unrestricted to 15% with black bars –broadcasters logos etc. If a product can't be used for purpose the buyer anticipated then it should not be on the market. To that end, I intend to watch mine, of which I paid far more than my last TV, with black vertical bars for 4:3 and horizontal bars for 2:35: 1and if it suffers burn-in I will demand return and exchange for a 36" CRT and have the cabinet painted black. Moreover, the Circuit City salesman told me burn-in is no longer an issue. The manufacturers don't have a chance in heaven in legal circles to void warranties by claiming buyers abused plasma TV by watching and using a feature of the TV being black vertical bars etc.

Stephen

slannes

03-21-06, 09:51 PM

I just read Warranty Limitations on Hitachi Plasma. There is no mention of burn-in. Denial of warranty due to burn-in as abuse would never hold up in a court of law.

slannes

03-22-06, 01:46 AM

http://www.hitachi.us/tv/browse/plasma/plasma/facts.shtml

Durable

Plasma televisions are designed for durability. Every Plasma is completely sealed so there is no possibility that moisture will leak in, or that the screen will fog up or burn out like a conventional light source. All television sets, projection flat panel and tubes alike have the possibility over time of displaying uneven aging and image retention, often referred to as burn in. The new generation Plasma televisions however are more resistant to this phenomenon having built-in protection measures to help guard against uneven aging of the phosphor elements. In fact better than tube type TVs.

kmarsh

03-22-06, 10:02 AM

I just read Warranty Limitations on Hitachi Plasma. There is no mention of burn-in. Denial of warranty due to burn-in as abuse would never hold up in a court of law.

Page 3 of the 55HDX62 Plasma Owner's Manual:

Prevention of screen damages
Continuous on-screen displays such as video games,
stock market quotations, computer generated graphics,
and other fixed (non-moving) patterns can be
permanently imprinted onto your TV screen. Such
“SCREEN DAMAGES” constitute misuse and are NOT
COVERED by your HITACHI Factory Warranty.

slannes

03-22-06, 10:20 AM

Hedonist

03-22-06, 11:08 AM

Hitachi attorney: Did you or did you not exceed 15% use
of black vertical bars

Hitachi buyer out $XXXX.XX: Store didn't tell me to do when I bought.
Was I supposed to calculate?

Hitachi attorney: Store has nothing to do with your abuse.

Hitachi buyer: As best a I can calculate in my
head and being honest about 14%.

The Court (small claims): Decision is Hitachi replaces plasma!

LOL, I'd love to see that happen! Somehow I don't think this scenario will ever come to pass. Does anyone have knowledge of burn-in issues going to court? That could set a dangerous precedent in the consumer's favor. Way to dream....

slannes

03-22-06, 11:47 AM

Too bad this option not in the U.S.:

To answer your question regarding the interactive logo, the option exists for viewers to decide to remove it either by pressing the BACK UP button immediately on their Sky remote, or by setting the 'Interactive Icon Timeout' feature in the services menu, which will automatically remove such icons after 30 seconds tuned to any channel which broadcasts them. This is only possible because the interactive icon is generated by the set-top-box itself, and as you'll see such icons are therefore necessarily quite bright and basic.

Viventis

03-22-06, 06:22 PM

Does anyone know a safe way to eliminate (not prevent) existing burn in of the side bars on a plasma TV?

I agree with the suggestion of creating and displaying an exact negative image of the side bars? (Black in the center and white where the side bars are burnt in.) Of course it would be tricky to get the negative image pixel perfectly accurate. If you miss, you could end up with very visable thin lines burnt into your display. Not so safe, huh?

Geb: What model of plasma is affected and how long (displaying 4:3 shows, I presume) did it take to burn in the side bars?

DNero

03-23-06, 10:31 AM

My Panny 50" 60U is coming tomorrow! CAN'T WAIT!!

I need some advice though... for those that have theirs already, what settings do you find produce the best image for the "break in" period? Now, I'm not gonna be super crazy about the break in issue, I mean, I'll take precautions with regard to static images, black bars, etc.... I'm looking for a general setting guideline and I really won't use settings that look like crap.

Any advice?

dark1x

03-23-06, 06:54 PM

Question...

I'm using a Toshiba 42HPX95 and have used it for gaming many times for long hours without any issues. I'm currently playing a game (Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion) and the game uses a HUD with three brightly colored bars which are on-screen 90% of the time. I've noticed that, after playing for a while, these three bars are slightly visible when viewing the entirely white screen (via the menu). If I leave this screen ON screen for a few minutes, the bars will disappear.

However, if I simply shut off the screen after a session (rather than using the white screen) and come back the next day...those bars will still be present. They disappear just as quickly simply by viewing other material.

My question is, am I simply seeing image retention...or am I causing damage to the phosphors. I've never experienced this problem with any other games I've played (including those framed in a 4:3 window).

How should I handle this situation?

sievers

03-23-06, 11:24 PM

You are right that's image retention, my NEC does the same thing, has for almost 15 months since I bought it and it still goes away as soon as I fill the screen for a bit. For a while if I watched a letterboxed movie at night and then was going to turn the tv off and go to bed, I would put something on to fill the screen for a couple minutes, since I thought maybe leaving the retention there overnight would be bad. Eventually tho I realized that it was really a waste of time, and while your situation is a little different (games vs. movies, maybe longer game time than movie time), the way you described it seems the same and I honestly think in your case you have nothing to worry about. (as long as it truly is bouncing back all the way)

Allow me to refer everyone back to this post, no one really addressed what I am talking about (that I saw, this thread is a beast) so either no one knows or no one saw it and wanted to reply, so take a look, maybe someone can confirm/deny what I'm talking about. Just seems like there should be a answer to this, and that people would be interested in knowing what it is.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6819956&&#post6819956
actually here's the followup too
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6860305&&#post6860305

renlopez

03-24-06, 12:20 PM

sievers

03-24-06, 05:06 PM

Remember the difference between image retention and burn-in. Image retention is caused by the phosphors not fully discharging after watching an image. Burn in is a result of uneven wear.

Ah yes, that is a very good distinction and it suddenly seems to make sense, thanks!

jessekenyon

03-24-06, 11:50 PM

I am also playing oblivion on my panny plasma i am not through the 100 hour break in but almost. I am at 85 hours. I did get some retention that took almost a whole day before it went away after playing for a couple of hours but I also had it in vivid mode. Now I lowered the contrast way down to around -10 and it barely gets retention, it is very faint. My question is will the plasma get less retention the more it is used? I thought I read eventually it will not even get retention anymore after so long. How many hours on average until I see a decrease in retention and will it ever be safe to game in vivid mode for hours on end? I really like vivid mode best and it is hard to see dark areas like at night when I have my contrast down. Is it really going to take 1000 hours before it will be truly safe to game on or will it never be?

Also the rentention I had the other day that lasted a long time you could only see if you had no signal going in or the tv off and you had to be in the dark and look closely. In the past retention I got went away within seconds of full video but that was because I only had static images for 5 minutes or less not hours.

jailonacs99

03-25-06, 07:27 AM

Awesome game, I've been playing it too non-stop since I bought it a few days ago. I can't really answer though as far as the image retention lessening after 1000 hours. I went through the 100 hour initial break in a few months ago (Panasonic TH-42PX50U), and I haven't checked my hours recently but I'm guessing it's between 500-800 or so. After I bought Oblivion, I played it for about 20 hours over the course of a couple of days without watching any TV in between. That no doubt contributed to the issue, as I noticed image retention yesterday on the 360 startup screen. I decided not to play that day and instead just left the TV on for an hour or two and the images are pretty much gone. I keep my settings on about +10 for picture/contrast/brightness as I remember seeing a post that said +15 is actually the 50% point as far as plasma picture settings are concerned. So now when I leave the house or am done playing I'll just change the channel to Discover HD Theater and put the sleep timer on for 90 minutes.

dark1x

03-25-06, 08:52 AM

Also the rentention I had the other day that lasted a long time you could only see if you had no signal going in or the tv off and you had to be in the dark and look closely.
Now that is interesting. Completely different for me. When looking at a black screen, no signs of image retention can be seen. The only way you can see what I was talking about was through the viewing of a completely white screen. In that case, it isn't immediately noticible either. I wasn't even sure if it was the TV or my eyes playing tricks on me at first, as I can only see it when I am sitting further away from the set.

I've been switching between Oblivion and Final Fantasy XII (playing in 4:3 mode for that one), which also has static HUD elements, but Oblivion remains the only game to leave any marks behind. Prior to this, I would have said that such problems were nothing but a myth as even hours of computer usage on my display yielded not image retention. There is something about Oblivion's HUD that just isn't plasma friendly. Perhaps the usage of three very bright primary colors that remain visible in nearly every situation (excluding conversations, load screens, and the pause menu). The game is also rather dark, so those three colors will often sit atop complete blackness.

Ah well, this remains the first and only game to ever cause any problem such as this. That's not too bad, I suppose.

KirkP

03-25-06, 02:58 PM

Interesting comments about Oblivion. I put in 25 hours over three days on a fairly new plasma (probably around the 200 hour mark). Unfortunately, I didn't really give the television a break with other programming. When I shut down on the third night, I was horrified to see image retention against the green XBL interface screen. Luckily, it's almost completely faded after not playing for a couple days. Never had any issues with other games...but also didn't play to that extent either. The theory about the bright bars on the often dark screen seems plausible.

It's curious how this sort of thing isn't considered in development. Translucent bars or the option to play in "picture mode" (like FFXI) would go a long way to eliminate this problem.

Kelton

03-26-06, 10:07 AM

I just looked at the new LG 42PC3D in CircuitCity. (42" plasma)

It has a "image retention minimization" which, I think, involves three methods:
*some sort of white screen
*pixel oscillation (I'm not sure if I am using the correct terminology)
*negative image

Is this a new thing with plasmas? Will it prevent burn in?...or just the temporary "retention".

It's a brand new model: I love the look of this TV, the price, and the image looks fantastic.

I like to play Madden Football which takes about 45minutes per game....sometimes, frankly, I will play a few games within a day.
Here's the official link: http://us.lge.com/Product/proddetail.jhtml?qs=pr|tv||search|0000000101|1000001026|0000 000001|0000000001|3|14|1|10||

I like the 42" size, but if plasma is just too big of a "worry" with video, then perhaps I will step down to their 37" LCD which is just as lovely...but only $100 cheaper.

Kelton

Any opinionis on this?

Viventis

03-26-06, 11:54 AM

2. This SVCD disc I keep reading about, which out of the 39 pages is it located in? I'd be glad to use it...and does it "really" work?

The first post on the first page will get you there. It really works.

dark1x

03-27-06, 02:55 PM

It has a "image retention minimization" which, I think, involves three methods:
I purchased a Toshiba 42HPX95 last month. It's a 2005 model and has all of those features. Throughout my testing, those features seemed to be quite common to me. Most modern plasmas should offter them.

slannes

03-27-06, 08:34 PM

renlopez

03-28-06, 12:17 PM

Intriging find as I work my way through 'long" first 100 hours of break in for my new Hitachi 42HDS52A and missing enjoyment of 4:33 back vertical bar DVDs

http://www.visualappliances.com/zeroburn_home.asp
This zero burn-in technology from your link is very interesting. I tried to download the white paper, but it wouldn't come up. What is it and how does it work?

jailonacs99

03-28-06, 02:33 PM

Now that is interesting. Completely different for me. When looking at a black screen, no signs of image retention can be seen. The only way you can see what I was talking about was through the viewing of a completely white screen.

Don't worry, you'll get there! As you can see from my earlier post, my ghosting was the same as yours, I only noticed it on the white xbox 360 startup screen. After playing last night though, I saw it on the completely black "no input" screen I get after I turned off my 360.

So the retention is definitely getting worse, no doubt exacerbated by the fact that 90% of the game is spent in dark caves and stuff. I'm trying to mitigate it by turning my gamma settings all the way up, which makes things looked a bit washed out but is probably better for the TV. I'll probably change my TV picture settings too, turn the contrast down a bit more.

I'm also pretty much always leaving my TV on when I'm not using it on Discovery HD Theater, to help fade out the ghosting. It definitely gets less and less notable each time I leave the TV on, but unless I wait to play until the ghosting is completely gone I think it will just get worse and worse. It really is such a pain that you can't turn those static images off like you can in FF. Most of the time you can really do without them and they're the reason I can't play the game as much as I'd like.

slannes

03-28-06, 03:26 PM

This zero burn-in technology from your link is very interesting. I tried to download the white paper, but it wouldn't come up. What is it and how does it work?

http://www.visualappliances.com/ZB%20IES%20Article.pdf

slannes

03-28-06, 03:29 PM

http://www.visualappliances.com/ZB%20IES%20Article.pdf

http://www.visualappliances.com/ZB42P%20SpecSheet.pdf

SaintsMan

03-29-06, 02:53 AM

I've been playing Oblivion 15hrs everyday, since it's release. I guess it wouldn't be wise to get a Plasma. :(

tehman

03-29-06, 10:02 AM

Here's a question for you guys... Let's say I bought the new 37" Panny Plasma that just came out, and played videogames on this almost everyday, all day, sometimes playing for 8 hours at one time. Is there a way to get around Burn In? Like play for 2 hours, do the all white screen thing for like 30min or however much is needed and then go back, play for another 2 hours and so on?

mercury

03-30-06, 05:45 AM

Iv got a newb question.

Im running this disk(thanks)and also some full frame dvd movies to mix things up(contrast,brightness turned low)...

the Monitors OSD and dvd player OSD when used for a couple seconds stay on the screen for minutes then slowly disappear,this drives me nuts;)

after my 100 Hr break in,will this not happen anymore?
is this normal?

thanks-

Kelton

03-30-06, 06:59 AM

I'm interested in those last two questions as well.

here's another:
Is there a link that will allow me to actually see what a "burned in" plasma looks like? I mean, how obvious is it? Can you only see the burn in under certain conditions?... or is it so obvious that you can see it constantly no matter what you are viewing?

Kelton

Mark1715

04-01-06, 10:22 AM

Hi,
I have really been interested in getting an HDTV recently and settled on plasma because of the PQ and I can afford a decent size. However, I plan to watch a lot of DVDs on this thing and really am a stickler for the original aspect ratio of the movies. That mean black bars on the top and bottom in many cases. I have heard from sources that burnin is not really a problem anymore but after reading these forums, im kind of freaked out. I am looking at the Panasonic TH-50px60u in particular. Does anyone have experience with burnin on this model. I know its new so maybe a lot of people havent gotten past their 100 hour break in. Is a plasma a mistake considering the type of DVD viewing i want to do. Also, id like to in the future hook up a mac mini to it through the hdmi. I dont really want to do "computer-stuff" with it. Mainly I want to use front-row for a media center type thing. However, front row does have some static images like when you are playing iTunes music. Will this be a problem too?

Steve Bruzonsky

04-03-06, 01:23 AM

The title begs the question.

markrubin

04-03-06, 07:10 AM

If you are talking flat panel LCD TV's the answer is generally NO

There are exceptions: Alan Gouger and myself had Sharp LC30 series LCD displays that exhibited permanent burn-in: Sharp replaced mine and that particular model is discontinued

Some notebook PC's experienced Win logo/tool bar burn-in

But generally unless you really abuse the display, LCD flat panels are unlikely to burn-in

Steve Bruzonsky

04-03-06, 09:08 AM

Yes, I am talkin' LCD panels.

For our bedroom we just got a Samsung 32" 3251D. Nice tv!! However, the manual warns against "burn-in" using the same language as for a CRT rear projector. Did Samsung just keep language in there from their CRT models because they were lazy? Or is there a potential concern here?

markrubin

04-03-06, 09:16 AM

Just standard boilerplate the lawyers decided to leave in the manual to be conservative :)

I would not be concerned

Skenzin

04-03-06, 09:56 AM

I work in IT and I've seen low end PC lcds with really bad burn-in problems. Example, Dont leave a static image on this monitor for hours at a time. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0009U5ZT2/002-9645541-6992855?v=glance&n=172282

I've never seen burnin on any 2nd or 1st rate monitors though, just the nameless ones. Although you can clear lcd burnin by leaving a full screen pic of an all white image on the monitor overnite. However Ive seen people in offices white white background screensavers and their lcds now have an overxposed /frosted image quality to them.

So the white image file to cure lcd burn-in doesn't cure it so much as it burns in the rest of the monitor.

cerrato

04-03-06, 10:12 PM

Recently bought a 50PX60U. The Panasonic Plasma Facts and Myths PDF says that during 100 hour break-in to keep the Picture (contrast) setting at 50%. However, the Pciture settings don't go from 0 - 100%, they go from -30 to +30. I assumed that 50% would = the 0 (zero) setting, but I saw in another post that they thought +15 was 50%.

Does anyone have some information on what 50% means?

bytebuster

04-04-06, 03:01 PM

hayabusa55

04-04-06, 03:32 PM

jailonacs99

04-05-06, 02:32 AM

Hi folks,
Had a question regarding burn in. Most of the manuals mention that burn in will occur if the same static image is displayed for a "long" time. Assuming one gets past the break-in period (200 hours), for the newer plasmas like the pioneers and the panasonics, how long is long (2 hours, 3 hours, etc)? My main concern is gaming

Thanks

Well, as you can see from the Oblivion related posts, I started to experience a bit of "ghosting", the non-permanent pre-cursor to burn-in.....hyphen hyphen....after about 20 hours of more or less continous gaming with Oblivion (I have a Panny TH-42PX50U). I think the situation was exacerbated however by: 1. Most of the game is spent in dark caves, dungeons, etc. 2. I wasn't watching any regular TV in between to give the phosphors a break (I was playing for about 5-8 hours at a time...yes, 5-8). My TV had around 680 hours on it when I started, and I fully followed the initial 100 break-in recommendations.

As I kept playing past that first 20 hours, I started to notice the ghosting not just on fully white or light screens, but also on fully black screens, so it was definitely getting worse. Since then, I've: 1. Left my TV on full screen HD-friendly programming like Discovery HD Theater, even when I'm not there I'll set the sleep timer for 90 minutes. 2. Turned the gamma on my game all the way up to max to reduce the contrast between the bright static icons and the dark backgrounds. This destroys some of the atmosphere, but it's better for the TV. 3. I've designated a picture setting on my TV that's just for gaming, with the contrast, color, etc. all turned down. When I watch regular TV I revert back to my more vivid picture setting.

As a result, the ghosting is steadily decreasing, even though I've been playing Oblivion even more.

And as far as the -30, +30 settings question, if you look a bit further back in the thread, there's a Panasonic tech who mentions they consider 50% to actually be +15. I still kept my settings below 0 until after the first 100 hours though, and only a month or so ago moved a few up to around +10.

rennwerkes

04-05-06, 04:13 AM

renlopez

04-05-06, 11:57 AM

I just purchased a Pioneer 4214 for a good price. Why was it so good? Because the previous owner had watched TV in 4:3 for sometime and allowed slight burn in to happen. My question is there anything I can do to alleviate this? It really can't be seen unless there is a really evenly light background the comes up and even then it is very hard to see but nevertheless it's still there.
I've read that all I need to do is let my STB run in 4:3 mode and then unplug it. Okay, here's the stupid question, what the heck is an STB???
Any other advice is greatly appreciated!

Burn in from 4:3 usage is probably the easiest type of burn-in to fix since you can reverse it by following Rich's instructions on post #2 of this thread.

Back to the question, is there anything that can be done to fix burn in? Yes, there is. As stated before "burn-in" is the uneven wear, or aging, of phosphors in the panel. You can reduce it by reversing the image of the screen. For example, let's say that you have the middle of the screen burned in because you used black bars when watching 4:3 content. Just put up grey bars or white bars for the side and don't display anything in the middle. How? Just unplug your STB from the unit when in 4:3 mode. The time it takes to "erase" the burn-in will be in direct proportion to the amount of time that was spent watching 4:3 content with the black bars

STB = Set Top Box (Cable box or satellite receiver) - When you unplug it, then the middle of the screen will show black with grey or white bars on the sides. This should reverse the burn in.

Crank Master

04-05-06, 12:38 PM

I JUST purchased the LG 42pc3d. I realize its short comings on the native resolution but this is for the bedroom so i am not going to cry . My question is this. I read through part of that master burn in thread and as soon as i get home i am going to download the makings of the color cd to assist in breaking it in. However... lg has a low power option which REALLY cuts back on the power push to the screen (very visable difference). That being said, i watch it with that on and in the night time asp. which gives me a contrast of 80 (out of 100) and about 50 brightness. beings as though it is new i have been stretching the movies so that it is in full screen so i make sure that the entire screen is in use.

This a decent start of care to break in the TV?

When and how long should the white wash feature be used?

it has an orbiter setting which literally shifts the pixels every two mins. You have to REALLY pay attention to see this happen but if you look hard enough you can catch it. Is this ideal?

also i play xbox 360 on this tv. This isnt my main television so it gets no where near the playtime as my other but i want to know the ideal way to play on here without having to worry about burning in. anyone have some serious advice on this?

i just want to protect my investment as there isnt a warranty in the world that covers image retention.

What is the point of the color inversion and again, when and how long should i use it?

Thanks in advance.

Brando70

04-05-06, 02:54 PM

Just wanted to mention that I have the Panny TH-42PX50U and have been playing Oblivion without any problem. I haven't had any super marathons (about 6 hours last Sunday was the most I've done in one day), but I haven't seen even a slight bit of retention from HUD.

In fact, I've never had any retention issues with the set (owned since September). I follwed the 100 hour guideline and kept brightness slightly under 0, and now have it between 0 and +7 for my settings. I don't really watch anything in 4:3, but I've never seen any DVD letterbox retention, even after a Lord of the Rings marathon of all 3 movies back-to-back-to-back this year. I also watch a lot of sports and have never had problems with the tickers.

I wouldn't use a plasma as a heavy-duty gaming display, but if you're a 10-15 hour-a-week gamer like me (maybe 20 a week for a game like Oblivion), I don't think you have a lot to worry about.

slannes

04-05-06, 06:44 PM

Burn in from 4:3 usage is probably the easiest type of burn-in to fix since you can reverse it by following Rich's instructions on post #2 of this thread.

STB = Set Top Box (Cable box or satellite receiver) - When you unplug it, then the middle of the screen will show black with grey or white bars on the sides. This should reverse the burn in.

Do you know if same can be done with CC in lieu of STB?

Thanks

Slannes

renlopez

04-05-06, 06:55 PM

Do you know if same can be done with CC in lieu of STB?
What does "CC" refer to?

slannes

04-06-06, 12:51 AM

What does "CC" refer to?

Cable Card.

Slannes

rennwerkes

04-06-06, 01:24 AM

Okay, disconnected the "STB" while in 4:3 mode and then nothing. I have the black side bars but only static in the middle. Am I doing something wrong???

rennwerkes

04-06-06, 01:27 AM

How do you set the side bars to white? :)

slannes

04-06-06, 04:37 PM

renlopez

04-06-06, 04:49 PM

How do you set the side bars to white? :)
I looked through the manual for the 4214 and didn't see any option to change the color of the side bars. I know you can do it with the Panasonics. You might want to check with the 4214 forum for this.

renlopez

04-06-06, 05:00 PM

I've watched numerous 2:35 aspect DVDs during ongoing break-in period and some but far
fewer 4:33. Since 2:35 has black horizontal bars and 4:33 vertical ----perhaps I'm home free. Unless, vertical black bars more prone to image retention or risk of burn-in than horizontal. Yet manuals do not warn against prolonged viewing with horizontal bars just vertical. I wonder why? To me black is black whether H or V contributing to uneven display wear ----------- so what's the difference, if any?

slannes
There really is no diffference between the effect of vertical and horizontal black bars.

I would guess that they only warn against vertical side bars in the manual because there is a greater chance that someone will watch all their SD content in 4:3 than there is for someone to watch only 2.35:1 OAR movies.

renlopez

04-06-06, 05:11 PM

Cable Card.

Slannes
Yes, CC=Cable card. Sorry, Brain Fart.

I imagine you could set your sidebars to white, then switch to a channel where the signal is black. That would accomplish the same thing. I have never used CC so I don't really know if that would be possible.

You don't necessarily have to have a black 4:3 center portion of the screen to reverse burn-in of the side bars. You could just set the side bars to white whenever you watch SD programs. The white side bars would be brighter and more intense than the average brightness of the 4:3 portion so it would do the job, just not as fast.

It's a good idea to set the orbiter/wobbler to blur the line between the sidebars and the middle if you do this.

wfiveash

04-06-06, 05:35 PM

renlopez

04-07-06, 12:19 PM

Concerning a Philips 42" Plasma (42PF7320A), should I bother with playing a Burn-in DVD that I got off another thread in the avsforum? Of course I'd like to properly burn-in/break-in my Philips display but if just watching various DVD's and not letting a static image display for too long is enough then that's what I'll do.
You are totally fine with watching full screen DVD's and being careful about static images. Break-in DVD is not required at all, but very convenient for some and provides priceless piece of mind for others.

Mark Faillace

04-11-06, 03:35 PM

wfiveash

04-11-06, 03:40 PM

Does anyone know if there is a standard DVD image for the break-in SVCD referenced in the first post in this thread and if so, where I can download it? Unfortunately, the DVD player connected to my plasma display does not support the SVCD format so I think I need the file in a standard DVD format to burn a DVD that will work in my player.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Search this thread as I found a link to a DVD that I was able to burn. It displays a variety of solid colors and grays each for 60 seconds in a loop that you can leave playing for as long as you want.

Mark Faillace

04-11-06, 04:02 PM

Search this thread as I found a link to a DVD that I was able to burn. It displays a variety of solid colors and grays each for 60 seconds in a loop that you can leave playing for as long as you want.

Thanks for the quick reply but I'm still stuck. The only link I could find in this thread was to a SVCD image and my DVD player doesn't support the SVCD format. Is there some way to convert the SVCD image to a standard DVD format?

wfiveash

04-11-06, 04:43 PM

Thanks for the quick reply but I'm still stuck. The only link I could find in this thread was to a SVCD image and my DVD player doesn't support the SVCD format. Is there some way to convert the SVCD image to a standard DVD format?

http://www.dvdshrink.info/goodies.php#run-in

Mark Faillace

04-11-06, 04:51 PM

Perfect, thanks for the link.

Hedonist

04-12-06, 11:53 AM

I'm starting this thread because I haven't seen one similar. I see countless "...I feel asleep with TV on (gasp)...image retention! (gasp)...went away (whew)..." threads, but have yet to get people's input on actual Plasma burn-in.

If you are in the unfortunate group to have your beautiful plasma burned-in, please post with any relevant information. Brand, total hours, settings, what happened, and if you've had any luck with warranty claims (though I doubt it).

Please no posts if burn-in went away, because that would seem like it was simply image retention and not actual burn-in.

This may help those of us concerned with exactly the circumstances that DEFINITELY contribute to burn-in, instead of those that LIKELY contribute.

THANKS!

ps...mods, if this is redundant, sorry about that.

Mark Faillace

04-12-06, 12:59 PM

Union0015

04-14-06, 08:36 PM

OK, I'm officially an idiot. I tried burning both the ISO image and the individual DVD video files (NTSC versions) at the link listed above to DVDs and neither would play in my DVD player. I noticed that this appears to be a UK site (I'm in the U.S.) so I suspect it may have something to do with the region associated with these files. Any suggestions regarding what else I might try to create a break-in DVD to work in my DVD player?

I created my own break-in DVD (since I have a Mac and it seems none of these files will burn on a Mac). Basically, it's a DVD that displays the whole spectrum of the rainbow for a few seconds each, then loops. I made the resolution of the images 1024 x 720, so they fit the aspect ratio of my TV.

It displays, in order: black, grey, purple, blue, green, yellow, orange, red, and white, then loops back. Hopefully this works as a break-in solution because other solutions for Mac users are non-existant. :mad:

If it works, I'll upload it in an easy-to-burn format for all users.

Flyinace2000

04-17-06, 06:41 PM

I created my own break-in DVD (since I have a Mac and it seems none of these files will burn on a Mac). Basically, it's a DVD that displays the whole spectrum of the rainbow for a few seconds each, then loops. I made the resolution of the images 1024 x 720, so they fit the aspect ratio of my TV.

It displays, in order: black, grey, purple, blue, green, yellow, orange, red, and white, then loops back. Hopefully this works as a break-in solution because other solutions for Mac users are non-existant. :mad:

If it works, I'll upload it in an easy-to-burn format for all users.
Thanks, if you need help hosting let me know, i have a lot of bandwith i never use.

Wharf.Rat

04-18-06, 12:38 AM

renlopez

04-18-06, 12:28 PM

I'm a newbie and have enjoyed the input. Well, I finally pulled the trigger and bought the 42" from Sears (on sale today) and to be delivered on Monday. I had ordered it from Panny Direct EPP, great price, but I couldn't wait 10-12 weeks.

My fear and I geuss question is this...My DVR (Replay TV) has a screen saver that is a black screen with a 4" colored circle roams around the screen like a "pong" ball. My wife leaves this on alot. Should I worry about this or is the black screen OK for the the TV.

I would appreciate your input, Thanks

If the pong ball moves around constantly you should be just fine. Does the roaming ball change colors? If it remains the same color with the exception of grey or white, it won't cause burn-in, but it could cause color drift which in a sense is a form of burn-in. I wouldn't worry about this either unless the pong ball is on for a month straight.

Wharf.Rat

04-19-06, 02:06 AM

If the pong ball moves around constantly you should be just fine. Does the roaming ball change colors? If it remains the same color with the exception of grey or white, it won't cause burn-in, but it could cause color drift which in a sense is a form of burn-in. I wouldn't worry about this either unless the pong ball is on for a month straight.

Thanks... and yes the ball does change from Red to Blue to Green

Prelude_Zen

04-19-06, 10:17 AM

Is this something I should do on an LCD too?

I just bought a Samsung LN-S3251D 32" LCD on Monday. The HDTV world is new to me, and so I've joined the best AV forum to learn. Let me know.

blah29

04-19-06, 11:39 AM

renlopez

04-19-06, 11:59 AM

Thanks... and yes the ball does change from Red to Blue to Green
Then you absolutely have nothing to worry about. You should be thankful that your DVR comes with such a screensaver.

jamescsub

04-20-06, 01:47 AM

Just purchased the new sammy hp-s4253 and lovin so far. Question can i still receive burn in if i am watching a widescreen program with bars and the top and bottom, to me it would seem that since the top and bottom bars are not being used they would not be able to cause burn in i am however a first time pdp owner and do not for sure, any help would be much appreciated.

blah29

04-20-06, 11:11 AM

Hi everybody. I am new around here. Only my 2nd post. I have been reading alot though in the last few weeks.

I just got the new Panasonic TH-50PX60U plasma. I got it setup and for the most part it looks really good. But my issue is this: whenever I have a menu screen up from the TV itself I get a little bit of "streaking" that goes horizontally across. For example if I get a small menu up from the screen, as soon as it comes up, I get streaks when I am against a solid color. I noticed this right off the bat the very 1st time you start the TV up (the menu is against a solid color). It doesn't seem like it is image retention as I have seen everyone here describe, as once the menu goes away so does the related streaking.

Now, I setup my progressive scan DVD player, and the 1st DVD I played, Sin City, which is a very high contrast movie, pretty much has blacks against white, gives a similar effect only more pronounced. For example in the beginning of the movie there are some black gates against white(horizontally), and in the middle of the screen, the black gates have a white gap in them, but my tv shows light gray streaks running horizontally across.

Other than this, I am finding the TV looks great so far. I just started running the plasma burn in SVCD disc today, to see if this will help the problem. Or if you guys think I have a bad TV.

I really hope I didn't get a bad TV from Best Buy as this new model is hard to come since it is new.

Thanks to anyone who has any info to offer! =) This whole purchase is making me nervous, I am not exactly a loaded guy. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Oh, I almost forgot...

I am plugged into the TV with CABLE going straight to the tv direct.
Also, my DVD player is hooked up via Component. But again, I get the issue happening not just from the DVD player, but from the TV setup/menus too. Really only noticeable when you have a solid color taking up the screen. I didn't see any thing that I could notice agains SD tv signals.

No one commented so far on their experiences so far with the "streaking" I am getting or if this is something common. I just took some photos(attachement links below). Can anybody tell me if this is somewhat normal, I don't think it is. I am going back to BestBuy today and tell them I want a replacement TV. I am also going to take my DVD player with me and ask if I can connect it to the TV there and see if I get the same issue.

Again, I tried 2 different DVD players, connected to all the inputs, Compent, S-VIDEO, and composite too, and the streaking happens with the actual TV Menus too, whenever there is a relatively solid color background. For example I saw last night a commercial with big type against a flat color, and I saw the streaking there too. I see it pop up much less often on true HD feeds.

Thanks to everybody for any help or info.

brg606

04-21-06, 11:42 AM

if i'm wrong please post how you received burn-in on your plasma. thanks.

TommmyJ

04-21-06, 11:53 AM

I had what I believe was burn in or awefully long image retention. I have a Pioneer 4360 and there was a distinct line I started to see that corresponded with a wide dark line on my Bell Expressvu guide. I ran the burn in disc and Pixar dvd's for probably a week straight or more through the day and finally got it to where it is hardly/not noticeable. I never even thought of the guide when I was breaking in my set because it is only up for a few seconds at a time. I have ordered the guide magazine from Bell and don't use the on screen guide anymore. I think burn in can happen.

renlopez

04-21-06, 03:31 PM

if i'm wrong please post how you received burn-in on your plasma. thanks.
Burn in is real and well documented by the manufacturers including Pioneer and Panasonic.

I guarantee if you display a black and white checkerboard pattern on your plasma non-stop, you will get burn-in.

I guarantee if you watch with black letterbox bars on the top and bottom 100% OF THE TIME, AND you NEVER watch any full screen, you will eventually get burn-in. The operative words here are in CAPS.

Now I think that burn-in is generally misunderstood and that it is harder to get burn-in than most people think. The 2 example above are pretty extreme and I doubt that the average consumer would subject their plasma to either.

06am6mt

04-24-06, 08:42 PM

Tried searching- but could not locate the answer...

We just purchased a Hitachi 42HDT52A this weekend.

The images are fantastic.

I am attempting to follow the break in advice of those in the forum- and am worried about a particular issue.

Condition: Station is broadcasting in 16:9 viewing mode- using OTA

A: The program is optimized for 16:9- however commercials are shot in 4:3. This occurred during the NBA finals on Sunday- creating the black bars for the commercials.

B: The whole show is broadcast in 16:9 - but the screen is shot for 4:3. The Simpsons seem to be shown this way- where the black bars are a part of the broadcast. (the Fox logo is at the bottom of the right hand black bar)

This seems a bit annoying- as it bypasses the gray bar setting on the TV- which only seems to apply when in 4:3 mode.
--

So my question is how particular do I need to be here? For the first 100 hours do I need to hit zoom every time a commercial comes on as in example A? And always zoom on example B?

Appreciate any advice.

ZZen

04-25-06, 05:01 PM

I think I'm seeing the faint beginnings of 4:3 bar burn-in on my Dell 37" LCD TV. I probably watch in 4:3 mode 10-15% of the time. Only had the TV a few months. The only reason I watch in 4:3 is because over component inputs the non-linear stretch mode is broken on this TV model and I thought a minority of viewing time in 4:3 on an LCD would be no problem.
Also I did have temp image retainment of the OLN channel logo duing an HD hockey game recently. This was after only two periods of hockey, the 2nd period ended and the score/logo banner went away and I could still see the red logo "OLN". It faded away after a couple more hours (on a different channel). This is lame. My Dell laptop that is over 4 years old probalby 5 years still has zero signs of any burn-in at all.

renlopez

04-25-06, 05:13 PM

A: The program is optimized for 16:9- however commercials are shot in 4:3. This occurred during the NBA finals on Sunday- creating the black bars for the commercials.

B: The whole show is broadcast in 16:9 - but the screen is shot for 4:3. The Simpsons seem to be shown this way- where the black bars are a part of the broadcast. (the Fox logo is at the bottom of the right hand black bar)

I wouldn't worry about A.

I would use a zoom or stretch mode for B. 4:3 shows on HD channels are shot in SD but then upconverted and broadcast in HD. You might have to watch these shows in SD in order to use the zoom/stretch modes/grey side bars.

Psycho792

04-25-06, 09:29 PM

hey new to the forum here, about to pick up a hitachi 42HDS52 on thursday so i want to double check on things to do. please correct me if i'm wrong, or give any extra input

first off i should set my contrast and brightness to the minimum setting?

second, while watching shows i want to try to watch everything in full screen? how long do i have to watch tv stretched to full screen even if its not meant for full screen.

other than doing the things i've mentioned, what else should i look out for. does it matter if i watch high def programs as opposed to non hi-def? and also, are all programs strechable, as in does every program that i watch on tv have the ability to fill my tv... TIA!

P.S - i just downloaded and burned the breakin SVCD, and i'm wondering if it can only be viewed with a plasma tv, cause im trying it now with my dvd player and my normal crt tv and its not playing

dirtydan

04-25-06, 11:21 PM

Did you burn that Cd with Nero?

Psycho792

04-26-06, 01:04 AM

yes i did

pdieguez

04-26-06, 06:24 PM

Hello guys

One thing that bothered me today while I was watching a movie is that, on lighter scenes, I could slightly see the 4:3 box. Is this the so called screen burn-in or is this image retention??
I didn't take any measures to prevent burn-in, but the TV is still new (2 or 3 weeks old). Is there any way to make it go away or is it permanent?? Would starting the running-in period now worth anything?? The TV is a Philips 42PF7320. There is no setting to turn the side bars to gray or white. Is there anything I can do to recover it??

Thanks

Mavellan

04-30-06, 01:45 AM

I have a brand new panasonic plasma 42" ED. I just got into this, the only TV I had before was an old hand-me-down. I read about the initial break in period (about 200 hours?) and about keeping the contrast and brightness low.

So I'm babysitting the TV pretty well, its been about three days or so, and a friend comes in and asks to watch a DVD of some fights I have. I tell him to go ahead and then I leave to eat something in the kitchen. All of a sudden he pops up and said he was bored and we talk for about 30 minutes. I had assumed he turned off the TV when he left the room... :rolleyes:

When I get back to my room, I realize he left the dvd there on the menu mode of the DVD or hit stop... either way, when I got there the Sony had its little logo bouncing around on the black screen (the screen saver). I checked the manual and it says the screen saver pops up after 15 minutes.

I looked on an all black, white, and blue screen and couldn't find any burn-in. I never seen it before but I figure it just means if I can see any remnants of an image. Nothing I could see at all.

But then the question... so how long can I leave an image on a newer model of panasonic like the one I have?

rnk21

04-30-06, 02:08 AM

For the newer models and generations, it is extremely difficult to get an burn in. You actually have to work at it. Image retention is a lot easier to get, but it does go away after a certain period of time. As long as you don't leave the tv on for days at a time with a dvd menue on screen, or an xbox score, you should be fine.

Burn really is a thing of the past, and for most people that I have talked to, it is considered a non-issue...

IamAnoobieCheez

04-30-06, 02:17 AM

The stage 1 break-in is 100 hours.
The stage 2 break-in is 1000 hours.
The stage 3 break-in, i don't remember.

Stage 1 is absolutely crucial.. I suggest you do it. Keep in mind, there is difference between "break-in" and "torturing". Don't torture you toy. That's not a good thing to do.

For more information on "how to break-in" go to Master Burn-in thread on this forum section...

science

04-30-06, 12:55 PM

well ,i have a hitachi lcd 50v500 52 inch
and i have noticed a red blur or something in the middle of the screen when the screen is black. And i recently started seeing blurs from the red on text or certain images other than when the screen is black........what is the deal?
i play xbox 360 on this tv but dont think thats the problem.(i thought thats what the game is built for) Please help!

Big Lebowski

04-30-06, 02:35 PM

No one commented so far on their experiences so far with the "streaking" I am getting or if this is something common. I just took some photos(attachement links below). Can anybody tell me if this is somewhat normal, I don't think it is. I am going back to BestBuy today and tell them I want a replacement TV. I am also going to take my DVD player with me and ask if I can connect it to the TV there and see if I get the same issue.

Again, I tried 2 different DVD players, connected to all the inputs, Compent, S-VIDEO, and composite too, and the streaking happens with the actual TV Menus too, whenever there is a relatively solid color background. For example I saw last night a commercial with big type against a flat color, and I saw the streaking there too. I see it pop up much less often on true HD feeds.

Thanks to everybody for any help or info.
My 42" Panny has exactly same streaking. I can't remember exact model number, but it is older than yours. I believe this is not a fault or screen burn problem, it is a feature that most don't even notice.

redbandit850

04-30-06, 08:46 PM

I just got a new HP plasma, and i was trying to figure out what dvd's i could watch to help the breakin of the display...I figured 1.85:1 filled the display so i had been using that. I just read however that a widscreen tv displays at 1.76:1

upon firther inspection of the image on the tv, there were two bars at the top and bottom that were about 1cm wide...These bars were not noticible unless you were about 2 feet away or closer but.

My general question here is, will this effect burn in at all, and do they make dvd;s in the correct widescreen format?

noidea123

04-30-06, 09:12 PM

hi all

I was watching the nfl draft this weekend. not sure how long i had it on for (passed out while watching it - maybe for an hour or so), but i turned on my tv today (a day later) and on screens where the picture is light i can see a retained image of the draft screen where it would say what round, pick and team they are on. its not that noticeable, but i can see it.

could this still be image retention or is this burn in? i haven't watched the tv since i was watching the draft. is there still hope for it to go away over time?

anyone else having such a problem.? i'm sure i'm not the only one watching the draft uninterrupted for an hour plus.

the tv is a pioneer pro-930hd. i got it about a week ago. my mistake, but i haven't done any break in actions (anyone have a quick link besides the svcd?) and i haven't adjusted the brightness/contrast b/c (like an idiot) ive been waiting for my installer to come calibrate it.

any suggestions/comments?