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This is the Emergency Upscaling DVD Player Recommendation System:

If you seek info or request a recommendation for an upscaling DVD player, the system recommendeds:

Economy/Lower Budget $150-$500
Panasonic S77
Panasonic S97
Denon 1920
Oppo 971H
OPPO 981HD
OPPO DV-970HD
Denon 2910

Mid-Range Budget $750-$1500:
Pioneer 59avi
Pioneer 79avi
Denon 3910
Onkyo SP1000/Integra 10.5

Deep Pockets If you need to ask $$, you can't afford it:
Denon 5910

For additional information on any of these outstanding upscaling DVD players, please see a thread with the DVD player name in the title.

General Upscaling DVD Player Issues:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=423609

Home Theater & HiFi Secrets DVD Benchmark:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=&manufacturer=0&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0

HQV Test Results of Various Players:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=550103
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=517639
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=549363

Zensonic Sigma DVD Player: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=482136

Sony NS975: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=465186
Sony NS3100: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=589543
Sony CX775: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=340752
Sony CX995: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=569321
Sony NS70H: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=581265
Sony NS75H: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=639621
General Sony Upscaling: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=572788

Toshiba V592: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=483558

Panasonic S77: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=549234
Panasonic S97:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=463025
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=501352

OPPO 971H:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=482239
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=491306

OPPO 981HD
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=760726

OPPO DV-970HD
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=682896

Yamaha S-2500: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=444693

Kenwood Entre: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=311141
Kenwood Sovereign System: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=95150

Onkyo SP1000/Integrat 10.5:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=484072
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=535594

Pioneer 59avi: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=494699
Pioneer 79avi: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=578758

Denon 1920: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=557414
Denon 2910: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=458229
Denon 3910: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=447795

Denon 5910:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=508037
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=535594

Upscaling Players via Component Outputs:
Neo Neo 208: http://www.neodigits.com/body/product/HVD2085/feature.asp
Samsung 841: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=553559
Zenith 318: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=400480
Momitsu 880N: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=344021

General Old School Panasonic 480p DVD Players:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=405756
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=378689

If you don't see a link for your DVD player, do a search with the player name.

**** Some AVS members have reported Macro Blocking noise issues with various Genesis FLI23xx equipped players. These reports are display dependent. You might want to follow this link to learn more about what players & displays members are using. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=611824

If you have a player we should add to this thread, please post a message suggesting the addition and I will make the changes.

This has been the Emergency Upscaling DVD Player Recommendation System.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programing.

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Funny but if the emergency calls for a low range player without the Faroudja upscaling chip, then this thread has no solution. I like the following low range players for that emergency:

Sony DVP-NS70H
NeuNeo HVD2085
Samsung DVD-HD950

The NeuNeo and Samsung can also be considered for an upscaling over component emergency but I only recommend the HD950 for upscaling to 720p.

Chris

For DVI-I and component upscaling, also add the Momitsu and Snazio (which is currently an AVS Power Buy).

I own them both and have also tested the NeuNeo quite a bit.

I prefer the Snazio because it can provide higher res at higher refresh (in addition to the easy 1080i/720p)... 1280x1024@60hz where the Momitsu maxes out around 960p@48hz.

Plus the Snazio has HD .ts playback (and DivxHD and WMV HD...), but that'd further distract from your original emergency message.

Also if the Faroudja FLI23xx chip is desired for emergency upscaling over component, then I would recommend the Samsung DVD-HD941 for 720p and Zenith DVB318 for 1080i.

Chris

I love it. I'm sure to refer to this thread at least twice per day!

Where's the MB disclaimer blurb? :)


BTW, If this makes it to sticky you'll save BillP a lot of key strokes.

The Sony DVP-CX995V works really well.

~Bob

Actually, if you don't mind my saying so, more helpful would be some of the pros and cons with which the recommended players compare against each other. Or, if they compare too well, simply stating so.

I was able to arrive at your short list on my own, quite quickly. What I struggled with was trying to decide, for example, when the Oppo makes more sense vs the S77 and vice versa. The individual player threads have thousands of posts, so it is somewhat difficult to clean comparative pros and cons. I ordered the Oppo this weekend, however I still have no clear idea of what I gained and lost by not going with some of the other, similarly priced options instead.

Just my 2 cents....

Anyone know if the Sony DVP-NS70H comes with an hdmi cable? Also how about an emergency list of quality 480p only players? I've heard some ppl say that the sony A10 series lcd rptv's use a pretty good internal scaler, and that a 480p player would suit them quite well. Am I off the mark on that one?

Anyone know if the Sony DVP-NS70H comes with an hdmi cable? Also how about an emergency list of quality 480p only players? I've heard some ppl say that the sony A10 series lcd rptv's use a pretty good internal scaler, and that a 480p player would suit them quite well. Am I off the mark on that one?

No, you are not off the mark if you prefer using the display internal scaler. I haven't seen the A10 but with the displays I have seen, I prefer having an upscaling player. The DVP-NS70H I purchased did not come with an HDMI cable and the manual does not list one as an included accessory.

These upscaling players are not universally seen by all as an improvement. I believe it is accurate to say that with a majority of the people that have piddled around with them and tried to make a comparison, a slight improvement overall is seen. I could find no argument with anyone that prefers to use their HDTV display's internal scaler, just accept that is their opinion based on using their eyes.

Chris

These upscaling players are not universally seen by all as an improvement. I believe it is accurate to say that with a majority of the people that have piddled around with them and tried to make a comparison, a slight improvement overall is seen. I could find no argument with anyone that prefers to use their HDTV display's internal scaler, just accept that is their opinion based on using their eyes.

Chris
I agree.
I have a friend who has a high end Denon and it does no better IMHO than the Sony DVP-NS70H I just bought Saturday. Of course his is hooked to a LCD and mine to a DLP so that may account for the difference in PQ?
The improvement I am seeing from my eyes is the slightly clearer picture and more vibrant colors!
And since I got a good deal at CC with a price match and a %10 coupon I only paid $120.00 not to bad I don't think!
Any one out there with the 70H and some settings suggestions? Anything I should absolutely be doing? I have it hooked by HDMI to my Panny Dlp and it looks pretty good.

I had got both the Lg LDA 511 and the Sony DVP-NS70H and i return the sony because on my panasonic CT-30WX15 they looked the same but the sony didnt play DivX files and the LG played them great. So i would recommended the LG LDA 511. i personally dont see any upconversion from either players in my TV.

~RaNDoM

It looks like we may get STICKY STATUS for this thread.

Please feel free to post links for the players mentioned in your posts. If you wish, send me a PM and I will add your links to the 1st post of the thread.

Also consider deleting any post that does not contribute to the informational nautre of this thread.

Thanks

Great job Bytehoven on this thread and providing all the links, excellent!

Great job Bytehoven on this thread and providing all the links, excellent!

Thanks Steve...

Feel free to send me any player specific comments, which I might use to provide a brief coomentary as well as the links.

How about the super highend performance on mid budget?

SDI mod'd Denon 1910 with Key Digital Blaster SDI to DVI/HDMI scaler for $1400.00 total.

With the $50 off from JVB Christmas deal, you could do the 1920 and still stay under $1500 or there about and add DVD-A and SACD. This solution is also Region Free and HDCP free, and will scale to 1080P and even beyond at a quality beyond any upscaling player.

Ken

I agree Ken...

Once you are around a $1500 budget, a player/scaler-processor becomes a very inviting alternative.

The various image controls available on the scaler are very compelling.

I'm not sure SDI mods are the way to go when there are affordable 480i HDMI players available now.

If you discount the some of scaler/processor controls, players like the OPPO 971H, 3910, 2910 can offer equal or superior image quality to some combinations.

I found the OPPO 971H 720p PQ is superior to a Panny RP-91/SDI -> Iscan HD combination, advanced horz & vert scaling controls aside.

When we start talking about newer HQV or similarly equipped scaler/processors, these SDI/HDMI player combinations look interesting again.

great thread, thanks

I'm not sure SDI mods are the way to go when there are affordable 480i HDMI players available now. The only problem with 480i via HDMI is that you need to somehow "measure/capture" the data to make sure you are getting the correct bits from the disc because from what we've seen so far the output is not directly from the MPEG decoder, eg. 59avi and settings necessary for "correct" output. Sony may not be passing BTB via HDMI at 480i because people claim they have to increase player brightness to see BTB bars. With SDI it's connected to the MPEG decoder output (most implementations), no other processing.

larry

You need to add upscale via component.

You need to add upscale via component.
Yes. Momitsu(?), older Zenith 318(?) , "hacked" Samsung 841 (all of them capable?). New, mucho dinero, Classe CDP-300 - NTSC and PAL rez's up to 1080p via HDMI and 1080i via component.

larry

Yes. Momitsu(?), older Zenith 318(?) , "hacked" Samsung 841 (all of them capable?). New, mucho dinero, Classe CDP-300 - NTSC and PAL rez's up to 1080p via HDMI and 1080i via component.

larry

I have not followed which players can upscale via component.

If you could copy me on which players & links, I will make a section for them in the top post.

cheers

RJ
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Everyone of the 2310 chiped players should have an MB warning next to them on the top list.
The ones I have tried with MB on different displays so far are ..
Denon 5900
Denon 3910 at 1080i....none at 720p
Panasonic s-97
Zenith 318

The Oppo,Pany s-77,Denon 1910,2910 and all the other likely suspects should have this info added because it seems there are more displays that show MB... than those that do not.

Yeah, I have an idle S97. Idle because of macroblockin (MB) and banding. People don't realize that Secrets tests are about deinterlacing - NOT PICTURE QUALITY. :)

My Sony player has absolutely no banding. Looks better than my HTPC so I got the Sony SDI modded and use it with the Key Digital Blaster SDI->DVI converter/scaler. (~$1600 total for 400 discs online - not bad!)

Ken

2310 chiped players should have an MB warning


I have added a warning as well as link to the Display/Player thread PooPoo started.

;-)

It's unfortunate so many displays lack the proper video processing to work well with the FLI23xx players. Granted there are some FLI23xx players which show MB everywhere.

Still, it's a great suggestion to add the warning because most of us commited to a display long before the purchase of a better DVD player was on our radar screens.

Thanks

here's a thread on upscaling via component on the Samsung 841
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=553559

larry

here's a thread on upscaling via component on the Samsung 841
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=553559

larry

Thanks Larry...

I also added the Zenith and Momitsu from your previous post. Let me know if there are any others.

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Panasonic RP-91 Threads: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=501352
Panasoinc XP-30 Threads: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php?searchid=2046539
Panasonic RP-82 Threads: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php?searchid=2046575
Denon 1600 Threads: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php?searchid=2046619

If you don't see a link for your DVD player, do a search with the player name.

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ERRATA: Your link reference (underlined - from 1st post) above has a typo. It should be Panasonic S97 not Panasonic RP-91.

ERRATA: Your link reference (underlined - from 1st post) above has a typo. It should be Panasonic S97 not Panasonic RP-91.

Oh Well...

I tried to have links of player search results, and the links fail to work now. So, I have deleted the (4) specific player searches you referenced.

However, the search engine is a powerful tool newcomers should try.

I would never buy a Sony, Panasonic....etc because they have a nasty old reputation for playing nothing but store bought dvd's, Apex 6 yr's ago set the world on fire with S/VCD, mp3 players that "play it all"
I still have a Apex AD703 3 disc that had awesome firmware hacks made by a guy named Jockey that enabled 10 different options....NEVER has been a great acheivement like that since!!
I want a player that will do Mpeg-iso, Xvid/Avi,DVD±DL, upconvert, which the LG 511 Does it ALL, not since the Philips 642 came out 2-3 yrs ago that a player is truly a made for the internet age!!

I would never buy a Sony, Panasonic....etc because they have a nasty old reputation for playing nothing but store bought dvd's, Apex 6 yr's ago set the world on fire with S/VCD, mp3 players that "play it all"
I still have a Apex AD703 3 disc that had awesome firmware hacks made by a guy named Jockey that enabled 10 different options....NEVER has been a great acheivement like that since!!
I want a player that will do Mpeg-iso, Xvid/Avi,DVD±DL, upconvert, which the LG 511 Does it ALL, not since the Philips 642 came out 2-3 yrs ago that a player is truly a made for the internet age!!

Um.. lets see all 3 of my Sony's . A 5 disk changer (2yrs old) , GX300 (1yr old)recorder & DVP-NS70H(new) Up converting player will play store bought dvd's, Recorded DVD +- RW+- as well as any video I have created on my computer.
Also I have some very old S/VCD's that I bought from Japan yep they all play them!
Also some nasty old VCD's recorded on my old TERAPIN VCD recorder.
They all will also play Mp3 disk and Picture cd's.
Don't know about the other formats as I only usually do those on my computer then convert them to DVD anyway.
I also have 3 apex's in the house from 5years old to 1 and they have on occasion choked on my recorded VCD's and DVD's as well as a Samsung that I took back.
So go a little easier on the "NASTY OLD REPUTATION” and maybe relegate it to "TO YOUR EXPEREANCE"

Probably i should rephrase that to ...THEY DONT PLAY PAL, let's say ive heard it from alot of friends with the "major" brands that ive given dvd's too, aww it didnt work or said No disc found!
Possibly Sony got there act together 2-3 yrs ago, panasonic is still living in the past

I would agree, my 4 year old Sony 5-disc changer has (so far) played practically anything I've thrown at it. On my 60" SXRD, I really wonder whether there is any advantage to even having an upconverting DVD player. I watched "Robots" with the kids a few days ago, and it was stunning with the Sony's 480p output... I guess I'll have to do some in-store testing to find out if the XBR's internal scaler is just as good as any player. My Dad has a Panasonic plasma (500U?) and he swears by the Sony upconverting player he just bought (he tried the low-end Denon and Panasonic S97, but didn't like them due to MB).

I would agree, my 4 year old Sony 5-disc changer has (so far) played practically anything I've thrown at it. On my 60" SXRD, I really wonder whether there is any advantage to even having an upconverting DVD player. I watched "Robots" with the kids a few days ago, and it was stunning with the Sony's 480p output... I guess I'll have to do some in-store testing to find out if the XBR's internal scaler is just as good as any player. My Dad has a Panasonic plasma (500U?) and he swears by the Sony upconverting player he just bought (he tried the low-end Denon and Panasonic S97, but didn't like them due to MB).What model Sony DVD player did he buy?

I would agree, my 4 year old Sony 5-disc changer has (so far) played practically anything I've thrown at it. On my 60" SXRD, I really wonder whether there is any advantage to even having an upconverting DVD player. I watched "Robots" with the kids a few days ago, and it was stunning with the Sony's 480p output... I guess I'll have to do some in-store testing to find out if the XBR's internal scaler is just as good as any player. My Dad has a Panasonic plasma (500U?) and he swears by the Sony upconverting player he just bought (he tried the low-end Denon and Panasonic S97, but didn't like them due to MB).

I had the later model of Sony 5 disk player and I agree it produced awesome pictures but.... I did replace it with a Sony DVP NS70H up converting player, probably what your Dad got if he didn't pay over $200 for it!
I also have a Panasonic 50in Dlp and the results are stuning!
I have to admit there is a noticeable difference in the pictures!
The Sony DVP NS70H has a stunningly clear and bright picture! As well as better color than my Sony 5 disk player and it was very good!
It will not make every DVD look stunning if the DVD was recorded in a low bit rate on a crappy DVD then it will help a little.
I have some old VCD's that I recorded on my old Terapin recorder on very cheap cdr media at the lowest bit rate it had for some old TV shows and popped one of those in and it looked ok, it seemed to smooth the video out a little made it a little less painful to watch.
Now on a high quality DVD recorded at high bit rates such as any of the last three Star WA** they look jaw dropping!
So was it worth it? Well for $139.00 on sale at CC I would say yes it does over all make most DVD's look better than my old Sony did.
If you have a high Def TV with HDMI input (required for up conversion at 720 or 1080) then go for it!, you won't be sorry.
If you have a standard def or a High def TV with out an HDMI port then stick with the old Sony it will be fine.

What model Sony DVD player did he buy?

I think it was the 90, but I'll have to check...

Yes, it was the 90...

I just gotta keep digging for opinions with this, so forgive me if this same post pops up all over the place...

Has anyone tried the Denons with a Panasonic TH42PX50U or similar? I've waded through many long pages trying to find an ideal match for my new display and have determined that there isn't one. Granted, my needs are pretty darn specific: I'm looking for a universal DVD/audio player (DVD-A & SACD) with a great picture quality, great sound quality, and that isn't insanely expensive or gigantic (preferably below $800 and shorter than shorter than 4 1/4"). The Denon 2910 and 1920 are at the top of my list but I'm concerned about macroblocking with the Faroujda processing (heard this one before?).

I'm leaning toward the 1920 just because the 2910 seems to have a lot of possible problems for a ~$700 piece of equipment, although what I may have to do is buy from a dealer with a liberal return policy and give it a whirl. The Pioneer Elite models people have suggested as an alternative are hard to find (buying from eBay voids the warranty) and the Onkyo DV-SP800 is nearly impossible to find. Reviews of the Samsung and Toshiba players have not impressed me. So it's pretty much a matter of waiting to see if new products come out or testing the Denons to see if they'll work for me.

Spending more (3910, 5910, SP1000) or getting separate DVD and SACD players aren't an option at this point. Sony doesn't do DVD-A, Panasonic doesn't do SACD, so those guys are out. I don't have any brand-phobias in general, but I prefer to buy things where I don't have to make an appointment just to look at it.

Any thoughts, experience, or alternative suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

For the record, I have a Pioneer DV-563-a-s. It looked pretty good on my old Sony Trinitron but blown up I'm having some detail and color issues. I've done some calibrating with DVE but since I have old firmware on the Pioneer, it rejects many DVD-A discs and I'd rather just get a whole new machine (if it will result in PQ improvment).

Long-winded much? Sorry, I've been reading AVS for awhile and only just registered today, so I've got a lot on my mind. :rolleyes:

Welcome to the forums.

My Dad tried the Denon 1920 and the Panasonic S97 with the 500U, and couldn't stand either due to the Faroudja chip's macroblocking. I think I've heard of people having more success with the 2910 and the Panasonic plasmas, but I honestly have no direct experience myself. Good luck.

Someone else on the forum said they had good luck with this display and the 1920, so I may just give it a try and see what happens. I figure if I'm going to have a troublesome DVD player, it might as well cost $300 less than an equally troublesome unit.

http://www.neodigits.com/body/product/HVD2085/feature.asp

Hopefully the NeuNeo HVD208/2085 DVD player outperforms the HVD108, which received a rather poor DVD Benchmark (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=0&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0) result by hometheaterhifi.com

I had got both the Lg LDA 511 and the Sony DVP-NS70H and i return the sony because on my panasonic CT-30WX15 they looked the same but the sony didnt play DivX files and the LG played them great. So i would recommended the LG LDA 511. i personally dont see any upconversion from either players in my TV.

~RaNDoM
I totally agree with you, i owned many players and the only ones i will buy are the "play it all" variety, if it wont play xvid burned on a dvd-r as a avi-dvd-iso doesnt do me anygood.

The 511 is wayy underated here, if it boasted a Faroudja chip it would be the hit of the neighborhood here, there is NO macroblocking on my Panny PM50 from this player, i like also the 7:1 card reader feature, the slot load isnt my fav by it's really untested how long it will last.

I love the many zoom levels this player has as i can perfectly fit a 2:35:1 movie as a 1:78:1 and has no cropped edges.

My only gripe is a 1/2" black bar on top,using 720p or 1080i, my plaz has a underscan problem that probably the reason so many Sony's N70's are being reported.
Also the ability to play 480i thru HDMI and Component is nice, i dont wanna hear it wont play copy protected thru component but 99.9% of my dvd's aren't anyway.

Does anyone know if the LG LDA-511 DVD Player up converts via component? Anyone have any experience with this model. The wife bought it for me for Christmas.

Kurt

Does anyone know if the LG LDA-511 DVD Player up converts via component? Anyone have any experience with this model. The wife bought it for me for Christmas.

Kurt

I have found no reports of any hacks to enable upscaling over component with that model. As far as I know, the last LG models that would are the Zenith DVB318/LG7832.

Chris

The manual states that it upconverts via component to 720p and 1080i only if the disk is not copy protected. If it is copy protected, it is displayed in 480p. Is that the same for the Samsung, NeoNeu, and Momitsu Models that upconvert via component? Do they only upconvert on non-copy protected discs? I thought most if not all discs are copy protected.

Please help.

Thanks

Kurt

The manual states that it upconverts via component to 720p and 1080i only if the disk is not copy protected. If it is copy protected, it is displayed in 480p. Is that the same for the Samsung, NeoNeu, and Momitsu Models that upconvert via component? Do they only upconvert on non-copy protected discs? I thought most if not all discs are copy protected.

Please help.

Thanks

Kurt

Most of the Samsungs do with the hack, and I know the Momitsu does.

Clay

Most of the Samsungs do with the hack, and I know the Momitsu does.

Clay

I don't understand. Most of the Samsungs and Momitsu's upconvert via component for non copy protected DVD's? Will they upconvert (via component) copy protected DVD's as well?

Kurt

I'm reading that the LDA-511 literally EATS double-sided DVD's. Since my collection started way back in the late 90's, I have many of those.

Shame. That's the player I was looking at getting and have to bypass on it now. I like slot-loading players, but not if the eat/scratch up double-sided DVD's.

-Larry

I had got both the Lg LDA 511 and the Sony DVP-NS70H and i return the sony because on my panasonic CT-30WX15 they looked the same but the sony didnt play DivX files and the LG played them great. So i would recommended the LG LDA 511. i personally dont see any upconversion from either players in my TV.

~RaNDoM

I don't understand. Most of the Samsungs and Momitsu's upconvert via component for non copy protected DVD's? Will they upconvert (via component) copy protected DVD's as well?

Kurt
Yes, they will upconvert commercial, copy protected DVD's over component when the HDCP free hack is applied. That's the purpose of HDCP free hack.

1-If one has a display with DVI/HDMI input, is there still any advantage for having a player that upconverts through component?
2- Is there a hack for the Oppo to upconvert through component?

Thanks, Ramin

I have tried (4) projectors...

NEC HT1000
BenQ 8700+
InFocus 7205
Sony HS-51

All of them produced better image quality results using the DVI/HDMI input instead of the component input.

On some of the projectors, I used the very good quality DVDO Iscan HD in between the DVD player and the display, and still the DVI/HDMI connection was superior.

It is possible some displays may have superior HD component performance versus their DVI/HDMI connection.

If HD component players were as common as HD DVI/HDMI players, I suppose many folks would choose to continue using the component connection. Especially if they have a HD cable box.

No hack for the OPPO as the component output is limited to 480i via the technical design of the MediaTek and Faroudja chipsets.

The LGA-511 does have a farjouda genesis chip in it-same as the 418 and the Zenith 318, and as previously stated it will upscale xvid/divx avi and unprotected dvd through the componet output. I own one and have never had a dvd "eaten up", I use my other players for "flipper" discs. ALSO-it doesn't overscan avi xvid/divx anime off the edges of the screen like every other player I've tested-no more cutoff subtitles!! And you don't have to screw around with the horizontial and vertical adjustments on your tv. The upscaling through the componet output is important to me cause' my hdtv doesn't have either a dvi or hdmi input.

I just gotta keep digging for opinions with this, so forgive me if this same post pops up all over the place...

The Pioneer Elite models people have suggested as an alternative are hard to find (buying from eBay voids the warranty)... :rolleyes:

I believe that with a little patience you can buy a leftover Pio 59avi from a genuine Pioneer dealer with full warranty for ~$700 or even less. Also, if you don't mind buying used merchandise, there are several mint used ones available on Audiogon that can probably be had for less than $600. In addition to possessing all the capabilities you mentioned, the 59avi has the added ability to put out 480i over HDMI, which is needed if you will ever want to add an external scaler. (I'm talking myself into buying one, too.)

I have found no reports of any hacks to enable upscaling over component with that model. As far as I know, the last LG models that would are the Zenith DVB318/LG7832.

ChrisSee my previous post, for most of your needs the LDA-511 should meet your needs quite nicely. I think it's a fantastic player, for an anime fanatic like myself it's a dream come true.

Chris Gerhard: Thanks for your insights on upconverting players over component earlier in this thread. I chose the Samsung 941 at 720p and am very happy with the results!

Has anyone heard of any new upscaling DVD players released at 2006 CES yet? Looks like I might have to go with the Oppo if nothing new comes out. The one thing I wish the Oppo had was SACD but I guess I'll have to skip that.

By the way, from what I've read on the net, the non-HDCP Oppo should have no problem upconverting DVDs via it's DVI conntection to an HDCP HDMI reciever and an HDCP HDMI TV? Can anyone confirm this? I haven't been able to find out what type of difference a copy protected vs non-copy protected DVD will make.

Thanks

does anyone have any experience with the LG LDA-511?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7048713&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03013&id=1107957009599

You would think over time this is an area that would have cleaned itself up. No so. 2 years ago I picked up a 2nd generation Samsung upconverting player (DVI output), well it is very slow on startup but I never experienced the red push I was warned about and got a picture ont of my Infocus 7200 that was 95% of a HD image. At $175 I was very happy. Thursday, I picked up a Pioneer 4214 plasma @ Costco and the Costco upconvert Toshiba DVD player. Granted the DVD was only $75 but the picture looked like it was coming out of the composite RCA not the HDMI. It is going back tomorrow. I don't know what I will get maybe the Pioneer DV-59AVI but I really didn't want to spend that much. You would think we could get a decent HDMI player for under $250 but who knows.

There are two under $200 Sony models being talked about here. One has the number 90 in it, the other has the number 70 in it. Does anyone know the difference between the two?

Thanks,

Rod W.

I think the 90 is a multi disc player. Both have same video quality.

Thanks for the response, but most of the specs I've seen show that it is a 1 disc machine. I can't really see any differences between the 70 and 90. I must be missing something....

Rod W.

I think the 90 is a multi disc player. Both have same video quality.

There are two under $200 Sony models being talked about here. One has the number 90 in it, the other has the number 70 in it. Does anyone know the difference between the two?

Thanks,

Rod W.
The DVP-NS90V has SACD playback. The DVP-NS70H does not.

Doug

Thanks Doug,

I think this means the 90 for me.

Or should I wait for the upcoming models that can do 480i over HDMI? This model will still do 480i over component, right?

I was switching between 480i and 480p on my current Sony (model number escapes me now...I think it has 575 in it) last night and trying to see the difference on my Pio 5060 plasma. It's connected via component. I didn't really see a difference. In other threads they're saying they are getting the best picture on the 5060 using 480i and using the Pio's internal scaler/deinterlacer. The 90 will allow me to try "upscaling" to see if that helps, and at the very least the HDMI connection should improve things a bit, right?

Thanks,

Rod W.

The DVP-NS90V has SACD playback. The DVP-NS70H does not.

Doug

I have been reading all the answers to the converting on component. So here is my question, I also like many have a Mits ws65908 and the only two settings are 480 and 960, If I was to purchase one of the dvd players, what would you suggest and what would I set the tv input to-480 or 960, along with the player to get the best picture? Thanks for all the great advice.

I own a LGDVB418, an LDA511, just got a DVD-HD850 last night and applied the HDCP hack-bty, if ya'll want one act now as they are disappearing faster than popsicles on a hot summer day. I use the 2 LG's for upscaleing xvid/divx anime at 1080I that I download, the 850 for watching R1 dvds at 1080I so I don't have to rip them and remove the decess and macrovision so I can use them on the LG's. I was thinking about the Neo Digits but read how it really does the "jaggies" on anime and so crossed it off my list, sides it costs $100 more than the 850 I got.

I've spent the past two days searching for an answer to the following puzzle, but have not seen a clear statement anywhere yet that I can understand.

Situation: I am buying an HDCP-compliant upconverting DVD player with both component and HDMI ports. I'm also buying an HDCP-compliant HDTV with both component and HDMI ports. In my DVD movie collection I have about 2 dozen non-copy-protected DVD movies (copied from my originals of the kid's movies, e.g. Shrek, Nemo, etc.).

Now for the puzzle: In order for my DVD player to correctly upconvert these unprotected DVDs to say 720p or 1080i, can I simply use an HDMI-to-HDMI connection or must I use the component cables? I don't want to purchase two types of expensive cables if just one type will do the job for me.

Perhaps the issue is best stated as:

Copy protected DVDs = use HDMI for upconverting to 720p, 1080i?
Non-copy protected DVDs = use (fill in the blank) for upconverting to 720p, 1080i?

Clearly I'm confused about how HDCP/HDMI/DVI/component cabling comes into play with upconverting non-protected DVD material.

Thanks for any help with this.

Sgooter,

You should be fine with just HDMI. If the DVD player and TV are both HDCP-compliant, they will talk with each other no matter the discs are copy-protected or not. The copy protection on DVD discs (CSS, Macrovision or whatever) does not control HDCP.

The copy-protection requirement for DVD players are:
* Analog output must have Macrovision
* HDMI output must have HDCP
* No Hi-def output via analog allowed

In your case since the HDMI output has HDCP, it will work with backup DVD discs and encrypt them. The TV will decrypt and show the video.

Thanks very much Jeff.

What about getting one of the new HD-DVD or Bluray players and letting it do the upscaling?

This would let you do full hi def as well as a bonus, no?

[QUOTE=Jeffhdz]Sgooter,

You should be fine with just HDMI. If the DVD player and TV are both HDCP-compliant, they will talk with each other no matter the discs are copy-protected or not. The copy protection on DVD discs (CSS, Macrovision or whatever) does not control HDCP.

The copy-protection requirement for DVD players are:
* Analog output must have Macrovision
* HDMI output must have HDCP
* No Hi-def output via analog allowed

In your case since the HDMI output has HDCP, it will work with backup DVD discs and encrypt them. The TV will decrypt and show the video. Hidef output through analog is not allowed? Not always true, as I'm sure ya'll know about numerous hacks that can be applied to various upscaleing players that will allow them to output either 720P or 1080I through the componet outputs.

I finally went out today and got and HDMI cable for my DVP-NS70H DVD player and I was wondering do I still need my component cables connected? How do I know if my DVD player is upscaling just by PQ. I was hoping there was something in the DVD player that could tell me it was upscaling like there is with the progressive. I have HDMI setting on AUTO in the Custom menu is that all I have to do.

I finally went out today and got and HDMI cable for my DVP-NS70H DVD player and I was wondering do I still need my component cables connected? How do I know if my DVD player is upscaling just by PQ. I was hoping there was something in the DVD player that could tell me it was upscaling like there is with the progressive. I have HDMI setting on AUTO in the Custom menu is that all I have to do.

The AUTO setting on pg 62 of your manual makes it output the highest accepted by your tv...this may not always look the best, so experiment. It looks like you can pick from 480p, 720p and 1080i. Most of us have best results when matching with the TV's native resolution which in your case is 720p. You should also try to use YCbCr over HDMI instead of RGB, since that appears to be a settable option and should result in highest quality possible.
Once the HDMI is connected, you don't need the component cables connected any longer and should remove them.

Not included in the list is the new Sony NS75H which fixes the shifting issue flaw the NS70H had. It also is a bit brighter while playing DVD's.

miester -- It would depend on what your display considers the highest priority. To be on the safe side, disconnect your component cables. Before you do, however, make sure that your DVD player is set to output over the HDMI connection (otherwise you will get a blank screen.

Your display should tell you what input is active.

Rod W -- You will not get 480i over the HDMI output, that is prohibited by the HDMI/DVI specifications. To get 480i over HDMI/DVI connections you will need the SDI modification to your DVD player (which voids your warranty). Your best bet (for the digital HDMI/DVI connection) is 480p anyway, although you should try 720p and 1080i to make sure.

I figured this problem out on my own boy I was stupid. I just went through the inputs on the TV and finally got it. Boy do I feel dumb I used Dark Rain’s settings for the Sony DVP-NS775V w/component out DVD player even though I’m using and HDMI connection this seems to work out very good. Watched Black Hawk Down this morning( I work nights) and was very impressed even my wife was amazed and she got upset when I told her how much I paid for the cable $91.00 CAN. Watch the The Fast and the Furious later on that night and the picture was good but not as defined as BHD. Do some DVDS upconvert better than others? As far as this shift problem is concerned I was a bit disappointed but the price $149 CAN and the quality of the picture it’s no big deal for me. I just think people are a bit nit picky even though I find myself doing that some times.

Hidef output through analog is not allowed? Not always true, as I'm sure ya'll know about numerous hacks that can be applied to various upscaleing players that will allow them to output either 720P or 1080I through the componet outputs.

Not allowed does not mean it does not exist. There is a reason why the way to enable upscaling via component is called "hacks".

Oh I knew that-that's why both my LG players are hacked to upscale through the componet outputs.

Any chance we the component upconversion list on the first page updated?
I was looking for the Samsung HD850 at retail (BB, CC) and they don't carry them around here anymore.

Thanks

It's been replaced by the non hackable (as far as I know) DVD-HD860.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
I bought the 860 and tried the hack listed for the 850 and that didn't work.

Trying to find/buy a new DVD that upconverts thru component and plays DIVX or whatever those video's from the web are.

I mean worst case, I can get an HDMI switcher, but if I can avoid that, that would be a plus.

Yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
I bought the 860 and tried the hack listed for the 850 and that didn't work.

Trying to find/buy a new DVD that upconverts thru component and plays DIVX or whatever those video's from the web are.

I mean worst case, I can get an HDMI switcher, but if I can avoid that, that would be a plus.
Well-you can always get an LDA511-if you look here ya'll can find a thread on hacking LDA511's to upscale through the componet outputs.

I think HDMI can send 480i but not via DVI.

Rod W -- You will not get 480i over the HDMI output, that is prohibited by the HDMI/DVI specifications. To get 480i over HDMI/DVI connections you will need the SDI modification to your DVD player (which voids your warranty). Your best bet (for the digital HDMI/DVI connection) is 480p anyway, although you should try 720p and 1080i to make sure.[/QUOTE]

Bytehoven -- It looks like you need to open another catagory, "Even Lower Budget" :rolleyes:. There are a number of upconverting players out now post 6/1/2006) that are under $150, MSRP. The most talked about, in the AVS threads, are the new Oppo 970H, Samsung's, Sony's (NS75H & NC85H), and Toshiba's (under $100).

Most, if not all, of these stricly adhere to the HDMI rules and are not hackable to provide upscaling over their component outputs, IIRC. The Sony's (I have the NS75H) have the latest design Sony chips, which fix the problems that the older NS70H and NC80H (5-disc changer version) had. The Sony's are Region 1 and NTSC only (the US versions) and are not "hackable" to Region Free or PAL, AFIK. The Oppo 970 may not be "hackable" (but will play PAL DVDs) and I haven't been following the Sammy's & Tosh's.

Hi CT...

I looked briefly at the 970, but it looks like it's really only a good choice for those intent on using the 480i HDMI signal path. Otherwise, the 971H is still the superior performer, and I think OPPO shares this sentiment.

If you think I should add another section to the original thread post, I will do so. Help me out with which players it shoulr mentione and I will get it added.

Thanks for the heads up. There hasn't been much action on this thread.

Yes, they will upconvert commercial, copy protected DVD's over component when the HDCP free hack is applied. That's the purpose of HDCP free hack.


Couple quick questions... will the hack work with a Samsung DVD-HD931? The player was given to me and seems like a nice player, but my projector doesn't have a DVI input.

Second question, once a hack is applied, can it be removed and how? Is it just a simple power down and unplug? (Since it's not a firmware upgrade I would think there is a way to back out easily)

Last... the reason I ask is because I have a 36inch Toshiba SDTV for primary viewing. If I apply the hack and it works, will it mess up the SVideo output that I use on my TV?

Can anyone help a noobie hdtv owner out? I wasnt sure where to ask these questions.

I just got the Sony 42" Grand Wega LCD RP HDTV model number KDFE42A10 and have decided to buy an up conversion player.I currently own a Sony Progressive-Scan model
DVP-NS55P and am using it with component cables.Is it worth upgrading to one of the below?
The Sony DVP-NS75H or the OPPO DV-970HD.

Which out of these two would be the better one to buy for this tv?



I plan on using a hdmi cable.

If anyone has tested these players out on this tv or has any info,that would be great.

Thanks.

I tried the remote hack for my Samsung DVD-HD931 (angle,4,3,2,7,angle) and I did get the message hdcp free, but I still could not change resolution through my component output.

This is one reason I am leery of hacks and kinda want a player that upscales over component out of the box.

If anyone would like to contribute some text/links to this thread, I will add the info to the 1st message.

I have not been following the latest batch of players, but it does appear there are many new models to consider and add to the Emergency list.

:)

Feel free to send me info via a PM or just post in the thread and I will copy it to the 1st message.

Bytehoven
Toshiba HD-A1
Toshiba HD-AX1
Hey, they may be HD-DVD players , but they are nice up-scaling players as well. Slow, but nice.

Bytehoven,

I would recommend that you include the new OPPO DV-970HD. It's getting very good reviews. Discussion thread at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=682896. Firmware hacks seems to be appearing at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mt13x9_files/files/

hello everyone. i am looking for an upcomverting dvd player w/hdmi, the toshiba fiber optic output (i think that's what its called...the optical output that is not the oragne plug), and plays divx. i've gone through 2 dvd players: the phillips DVP5960 and currently have the toshiba sd4990. the phillips didnt output 5.1 correctly to my reciever and didnt even do DTS...the toshiba sucks at divx (playback stutters and sometimes skips straight to the end of an episode). i'm just looking for a decent budget dvd player...$150 or less. anything more and i might as well get hd-dvd. thanks.

What about the Yamaha s569? It was just released at $179. Anyone with experience or thoughts on it?

Hi

Instead of buying another dvd, the Oppo doesn't play all divx file, if it's a high def... your out of luck.
So you have to check about the Centerstage CS-1. It's very incredible.. and the difference with this scaler is far bigger than only a Oppo vs other brand of dvd player. ! And it's pretty cheap also. about 340 on ebay.

It seems as though I tried to jump on the bandwagon too late. I'm trying to find an upscaling over component player that is similar to my Philips DVP 640 in that it plays most everything you throw at it, most importantly DivX/XviD, and has a cheap price. Is there anything still available in stores or only online? Also do you know if any of them have separate optical out or just coaxial?

Bytehoven -- The major thread on the Sony NS75H is: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=639621. This thread also includes posts on the HC85H (the 5 disc changer version).

Bytehoven -- The major thread on the Sony NS75H is: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=639621. This thread also includes posts on the HC85H (the 5 disc changer version).


Thanks.

I added the player to the Sony section of the 1st post.

RJ
...

Mark...

Honestly, the emergency DVD thread began as a joke because of the daily repeat questions from new visitors who failed to notice their player or question in another thread topics.

Gradually, folks provided links as newer players were more widely discussed. I still add new links as people sugget them, so if you end up with any new links for the 1st post, feel free to mention them and I will add them.

While this thread still serves as a nice way to more easily link to player discussions, reading & searching the forum is the best way to get to the bottom of your question.

There never has and probably never will be a player which fits everyone's needs or circumstance.

I am still using the OPPO 971H, while I wait for the HD format wars to settle as well as for the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray formats to work out their bugs.

If I were buying today, I would still give the OPPO 971H consideration and I look forward to hearing more about their new 981H model.

Personally, I was never impressed with the newer Pansonic players, despite being very happy with both the RP-82 and RP-91 models.

Again I suggest you set aside a few hours to dig through the various threads and get to the bottom of that people are saying about the main players being discussed.

I live in the "PAL' land. Are there any special issues/criteria that I need to pay attention in selecting an upscaling SD DVD player? Is the recommended list in this thread equally applies to "PAL" disk playback?

JM

..

Does anyone know if any of the DVD players that are capable of upconverting copy protected DVDs over component (with or without hack) that will also place pillarbox around 4:3 material for viewing in a 16:9 display? My older HDTV will not allow me to manipulate anything other than 480i and just stretches stuff that is 4:3.

And is Divx/Xvid capable, region-free capable, and does pal -> ntsc ?

Does anyone know if any of the DVD players that are capable of upconvertingcopy protected DVDs over component (with or without hack) will also place pillarbox around 4:3 material for viewing in a 16:9 display? My older HDTV will not allow me to manipulate anything other than 480i and just stretches stuff that is 4:3.

And is Divx/Xvid capable, region-free capable, and does pal -> ntsc ?

The Oppo 970 does all that. It is made region-free by entering a code with the remote. Upconversion over component requires a firmware hack.

-Bill

Does anyone know if any of the DVD players that are capable of upconvertingcopy protected DVDs over component (with or without hack) will also place pillarbox around 4:3 material for viewing in a 16:9 display? My older HDTV will not allow me to manipulate anything other than 480i and just stretches stuff that is 4:3.

And is Divx/Xvid capable, region-free capable, and does pal -> ntsc ?
You could try either the LG LDA-511 ot the LGDVB418, you can find em' on ebay pretty cheap.

I have a 418, it only puts pillarbars on my 4:3 Divx material.

I have similar troubles and wishes for an upscaling DVD player. One imperfect work around is to enter the service menu on the TV and change the Horizontal Width or Horizontal Amplitude setting until the 1080i picture width is suitable for viewing 4x3 material. Do this with the DVD player connected and set to 1080i upscaling. On a Philips CRT HDTV enter service menu by entering 062596 EXIT on the remote. More can be found in the avsforum Direct View (single tube) CRT Displays.

You might want to consider adding the Oppo 981 to the original post.

Thanks for the suggestion. I have added the OPPO 981HD to the thread.

Newest release:

RCA DRC290

DRC290 (http://www.rcaaudiovideo.com/en-US/modeldetail.html?ProductID=DRC290)

ENERGY STAR® qualified - This model consumes less than one watt in standby mode and meets the standards of the ENERGY STAR Program for energy efficiency
HD Upconversion – View your DVDs through a high definition connection for a superior picture quality, up to 1080p

HDMI™ Output – Allows one cable connection to your HDMI™-equipped TV

5 DVD/CD Changer System with an Ultra-Compact Design – 5 Disc DVD/CD changer for easy loading with an ultra-compact design. Simultaneous play and load

TV Guardian® iActivate – Activate to protect your family from foul language

DivX® Ultra Certified – DivX® is a video compression format that allows much more information to be stored on a single DVD. This DivX® certified player will play back DivX® formatted discs with all the features intended by the author

Digital PhotoView™ & mp3 Combination Play – Enables playback of JPEG files from a CD-R/RW disc in a rotating slide show format with mp3 music playback during the slide show

So will the RCA DRC290 upconvert via component? It doesn't seem clear in the link if it does or not.
Sorry for the rookie question, I'm a late comer to the upconverting thing and am still trying to get it all figured out.

Marantz DV7001 $799 Faroudja DCDi (HDMI upscaling only?)
Primare DVD26/30 $900/$1800 Pixelworks PW1235 - per pixel processing (DVI)
Cary Audio DVD7 $$$$ Faroudja (Component, RGB HV & HDMI upscaling)

Byte,

Oppo DV-970HD is Replaced by DV-980H if you are still maintaining this thread.

Don't forget the Toshiba XA2. Best SD DVD player that I have seen. It also happens to do HD-DVD, but we won't talk about that. :)

Or the BD-P1200 or BD-UP5000 for the same reasons.

Is there a player out yet or coming out this year that upconverts Divx files to 720p or 1080i? I have the Philips DVP3982 and Oppo 981 HD player and the Oppo is nice, but I watch mostly Divx or Xvid files and neither player upconverts Divx/Xvid files like a standard DVD.

I don't know if it's even possible to upconvert a Divx/Xvid file to 720P 1080i, but it would be nice if a player could do it. It seems like that would be the next step in the DVD player evolution.

The low budget category starts at $150, but what about all the players for under $100. What is the best upscaling sub $100 player?

jcg

Where does the Pioneer DV-400k fall?

I would think the Oppo983 shoudl really be on that list by now, in the "under $500" category, given that it got a perfect score at Secrets.

The low budget category starts at $150, but what about all the players for under $100. What is the best upscaling sub $100 player?

jcg

I don't know about the best under $100, but the Philips 5990/5992 does a good job upscaling DVDs at half that price. Takes about 10 seconds to boot the player (everything is a computer nowadays :rolleyes: ), but loads disk quickly.

Has lots of other features, but photos displayed from USB are terrible.

:cool:

I can't see how the JVC XV-N650B wasn't mentioned!

It supports 480i HDMI for scalers and Upconverts to 1080i!

Ohh it can be made region free as well.

Ecost has it for $33!


http://www.ecost.com/detail.aspx?edp=39120819

My Philips DVP5990 works pretty good.