The 2nd Official Infocus 4805 Thread. [Text View] - Page 12

penticton102

03-04-06, 06:01 PM

WOOOHOOO, I just pulled the trigger at that popular auction site on a refurb. I hope that the shipping is more like what all of their reviews say and less like what infocus says to expect. Although with my patience and luck It'll definately be the 10 business day worst case scenerio that they describe, and not the "two day" shipping that many buyers report.

Anyway, if you can't tell, I'm excited to join the ranks of inexpensive front projection users. Thanks to everybody here for helping me decide through all of the great posts here. I am sure I will be posting again to get some guidence setting up and calibrating.

Later,
Brian

you won,t regret it i have my refurb 4805 for about 6 months now and it runs like a champ, no regrets on my part, best value for the buck out there, bar none... :)

bluethunder

03-04-06, 07:26 PM

So has anyone ACTUALLY gotten 854x480 then?

So I finally swapped out my ATI 9600 for an Nvidia 6600 and wow what a difference on the ffdshow settings and CPU use! BUT, I WANT THOSE EXTRA PIXELS! so, can someone who has acheived this please post the settings? I know DGP's timings for 848 are out there, but I've searched through both threads and the FAQ, and I STILL can't find any actual settings for 854x480 at 47hz OR 60hz...... help, anyone?

-Alex
~)-----------------

cavu

03-04-06, 08:21 PM

Anyone had sucess with a specific Universal Remote for their Bravo D2?The Sony RM-AV3000 works. (You have to use the "learning" mode.)

cavu

03-04-06, 08:29 PM

So has anyone ACTUALLY gotten 854x480 then?A 1:1 pixel-mapped Bravo or Momitsu does it without a problem, at 48Hz or any other refresh rate. BTW, Alan Gouger (our AVS host) says the Bravo does a better job than his expensive HTPC.

therealgeno

03-04-06, 08:58 PM

When I tried to powerstrip to 848x480 48hz with DGPs settings, it went to signal out of range. but i can use 848x480 60 hz fine as it is an option with my ati radeon 9100 card.

I want 50hz coz my htpc tv output is PAL. Im gettin intermittent flickerin so maybe its coz i need it to be 50hz?

I wonder if this is just a limitation of the card you have? Powerstrip does have custom resolutions of its own. Just search the list for 50 Hz.

therealgeno

03-04-06, 09:01 PM

So has anyone ACTUALLY gotten 854x480 then?

Yes, Luis and DaGamePimp have. Brian I Am and I got it to work, EXCEPT that a small line of crap formed down the right side of the image. One night when I am bored I am going to give this a shot again.

However, 848 is completely fine.

therealgeno

03-04-06, 11:11 PM

So I changed the fan in my 4805.

The replacement fan I used was the panaflo FBA08A12U since it matches the original fans specs.

Panaflo pic (http://www.fatonion.net/projpanaflo.JPG)

4805 with cover off (http://www.fatonion.net/projector.JPG)

Two fans inside (http://www.fatonion.net/projectorfans.JPG)

To get the to fan connector you need to take some of the circuit boards off.

First circuit board removed (http://www.fatonion.net/projector2.JPG)

Power supply board removed (http://www.fatonion.net/projector3.JPG)

Metal cover removed and fan connectors exposed (http://www.fatonion.net/projector4.JPG)

I unsoldered the wires from the original fan. Fan wires (http://www.fatonion.net/projfansolder.JPG)

The fan is mounted with only 2 screws on the top and one fo the bottom holes on the fan has a plastic stub that goes into it.

This is awesome. Great pics. Looks easy enough.

But of course............is it quieter? And is it still working?? ;)

aaranddeeman

03-05-06, 12:42 AM

Hell yes, particularly the blue filter sat/hue adjustments. If you are using an ATI card, and you are running renderless vmr9 (in TT), then hue = 0 and sat = (-42). These are reference numbers provided by Kras (and they are perfect). I do not remember if Overlay was OK at default or not.

If an NVidia card, then theoretically defaults should be perfect. But different drivers seem to muck this up - I found just a couple of clicks fixes this.

Then, once you get around to messing with any sharpen filters in ffdshow, there are a few sharpness patterns you can use.

Geno,

Thanks, but I am one of those in 95% league. In other words no TT/Zoomplayer and ffdshow.

I'll be purely using PowerDVD or Nero. So, what I understand from your response is, I will need to tweak the player (and not PJ). May be a dumb question, how about the grey scale. Do I need to touch the brightness/contrast (or they are already taken care with the 59/28.5 gain/offsets on PJ)?

:o

ronaldk988

03-05-06, 01:31 AM

Ok, is it my imagination or did my projector truly get louder?

I run it always in low power but I swear it is like a low roar now. I see Onion replaced his fan but then no followup post.

Although I think it is the fan, does the colorwheel make and audible noise?

I have about 400 hours on it and I have vacuumed the filters.

Thanks

Ron

booker21

03-05-06, 04:33 AM

Hello guys, i need your advice once more...

Since i bought this Projector i have been getting some weird scrolling lines, i know many members on here had this scrolling as well, but i neve hear of anyone who actually fix it.

My guarantee is going to expire in the next few month and i want to know what i should do... do i sent the infoucs under warranty to get check it out? or i should keep the projector and don´t bother?.

It may be some problem on my system, and also may be a problem with the system itself.

Since i ran many people who had this problem, i don´t think it is my House system, but i can´t be certain...

Bascially the scrolling was explained before, there are like scrolling lines, on 720p and 1080 only.. and they can be "fix" it by changing the input on and off.. like making the projector to re sync...

Thanks for any advice.

Sly_Dawg

03-05-06, 07:21 AM

Another newbie question. How do I find out if my htpc is sending 480p or 480i or 576i or 576p to the projector. Im in the UK. Also, which one should it be optimally sending, 576i PAL?

Finally, does live tv use renderers (vmr9 or overlay), or were bobs settings just for avi's and dvd's? Also were bobs settings just for NTSC stuff, or PAL too?

Cheers

sothoms

03-05-06, 10:21 AM

Onion
I hope you didn' t forget us.
We are waiting for the results

cavu

03-05-06, 10:37 AM

How do I find out if my htpc is sending 480p or 480i or 576i or 576p to the projector.Go to the SP4805 "About" menu.

Bob's settings are for a DVI/HDMI connection to the SP4805 where the signal source is "studio" level as opposed to "PC" level.

Martin Butler

03-05-06, 10:44 AM

Booker21, it's more likely some kind of ground loop issue, usually from a cable line. That's not to say it isn't possible the 4805 is responsible, but I doubt it. Good luck.

Sly_Dawg

03-05-06, 11:04 AM

Go to the SP4805 "About" menu.

Bob's settings are for a DVI/HDMI connection to the SP4805 where the signal source is "studio" level as opposed to "PC" level.

Thanks Cav. But in the about menu, all i see in video signal is '848x480 32 bit'. this my resolution coming from the htpc, but how can i tell if its sending 480i or 480p or 576i o 576p?

Thanks again

HOSSinNH

03-05-06, 11:18 AM

scooterboy

03-05-06, 11:49 AM

ok I've been searching so much I think my eyes are going to bleed and haven't been able to find what i'm looking for

. Sorry to post a noob question....but here is goes:

Am I usnderstanding this right? With HDTV, the picture for a hockey game, should show more of the ice then a normal television signal correct?

I realize the 4805 is not a true HD projector, is this the shortcoming of the 4805's resolution? That when a HDTV signal is used it "crops" it?

Or is there something I've done wrong along that way?

Thanks for anyone's help and time.
Yes, you should be seeing the full HD picture (more ice than you'd see on a 4:3 SD broadcast).

Make sure your HD cable box is set to output a 16:9 picture, and that the 4805 is set to 16:9 or Native mode.

(if you have a Motorola 6412 cable box, I can tell you how to do that part).

scottwood2

03-05-06, 11:52 AM

Ja Phule

03-05-06, 12:43 PM

Thanks Cav. But in the about menu, all i see in video signal is '848x480 32 bit'. this my resolution coming from the htpc, but how can i tell if its sending 480i or 480p or 576i o 576p?

Thanks again

You are using an HTPC set up to the 4805. Your pc is sending 848x480 to the 4805. If you sent 720x480 to the 4805, then it would show 480p. 480i is only possible over component/composite/svideo.

Are you trying to find out if your dvd source is 480i (ntsc) or 576i (pal)?

Sly_Dawg

03-05-06, 12:49 PM

You are using an HTPC set up to the 4805. Your pc is sending 848x480 to the 4805. If you sent 720x480 to the 4805, then it would show 480p. 480i is only possible over component/composite/svideo.

Are you trying to find out if your dvd source is 480i (ntsc) or 576i (pal)?

basically i thought i had to send 50hz to the projector as im in the uk and 50 hz is pal refresh rate. so i wanted to make sure that pal was being sent to it first before trying to change the refresh rate.
cheers

booker21

03-05-06, 01:36 PM

Booker21, it's more likely some kind of ground loop issue, usually from a cable line. That's not to say it isn't possible the 4805 is responsible, but I doubt it. Good luck.

Martin, Thank you for your response.

I did, in fact thought this was a GL problem, but when i realize i didn´t have ground on the room i have connected, i knew this GL was out of the ecuation.

Also the GL should happen on All resolution, this only happen on 720p and 1080i.

The chat we have before, on this thread, lean to think it was a Sync issue, since when u change the input and change back to the source, you can get rid of the scrolling lines....

I´m thinking im going to send the projector to check it out.... what everybody else think i should do?...

BFauska

03-05-06, 01:45 PM

After ordering my projector I started setting up the room to get ready for the delivery (even more reason for the projector to take forever to get here.)

I have all the cable run and the placement of the screen worked out but I want to build my mount and can't pre-drill the support for the PJ unless I have the hole layout for the screws. Does anybody have good measurements or an autocad drawing of the screw layout on the bottom of the projector? I can't find the info anywhere but would love to be ready to mount the projector and start calibrating it. If the measurements are within a reasonable tolerance I can use oversized holes and then fender washers to leave me some play, I may do that anyhow because I am not planning on making my mount very adjustable. I think in my setup, the screen may be easier to adjust. Also I think that I read somewhere that the screws I will need are m4 is that correct? Obviously the length depends on what I am mounting to so I will cut the screws to length but I need to have the right thread size.

On another note, I have a friend with the original Video Essentials dvd, it's not the Digital Video Essentials. I probably shouldn't have spent the money on the PJ right now anyhow so spending more on a calibration disk is out of the question for now. Will using the original VE disk still be useful and give me a great picture or should I not bother and just use a THX optimizer for now?

I realize this post is starting to ramble, but I have one more question too, has anybody tried to use lighting gels as an inexpensive alternative to an ND2 filter? The gels I am talking about are used in theater and television, they come in many colors and different types of diffusion, but they also come in various degrees of ND filtering. My father works on indicator/control panels for the aerospace industry and they use these for very high tolerance applications also, so they are very consistent and optically clear. If nobody else has tried these I will definitely report back. The only thing I am thinking will be difficult is mounting it. If this works well I could get about 20 of these out of a $7.00 sheet of gel. I need the ND with my 76" screen and family with lots of light sensitivity.

Wish me luck, and thanks in advance for any help/input.

Later,
Brian

HOSSinNH

03-05-06, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by HOSSinNH
ok I've been searching so much I think my eyes are going to bleed and haven't been able to find what i'm looking for

. Sorry to post a noob question....but here is goes:

Am I usnderstanding this right? With HDTV, the picture for a hockey game, should show more of the ice then a normal television signal correct?

I realize the 4805 is not a true HD projector, is this the shortcoming of the 4805's resolution? That when a HDTV signal is used it "crops" it?

Or is there something I've done wrong along that way?

Thanks for anyone's help and time.

Yes, you should be seeing the full HD picture (more ice than you'd see on a 4:3 SD broadcast).

Make sure your HD cable box is set to output a 16:9 picture, and that the 4805 is set to 16:9 or Native mode.

(if you have a Motorola 6412 cable box, I can tell you how to do that part).

Thanks for the response. I've got a scientific atliantic box. I know I have the projector to 16:9, and I'm trying to find the setting on the HDTV box to double check it. Does it matter if I use component or DVI inputs?

Sly_Dawg

03-05-06, 03:19 PM

Anyone else having problems puttin in the new firmware? I tried, but when it said new usb device found, and i chose the location for the downloaded firmware, it couldnt install it. I followed the instructions to a t, and held both keystone buttons throughout.

Also, will this new firmware get rid of the flashing i get every now and again for no apparent reason, or is that something else?

kirtis_mcleskey

03-05-06, 04:08 PM

well im spending more and more time here on the forums

as i said earlier a few pages back , my projector is sent off to be fixed
i hope i get back in a week , I REALLY miss watching my movies and trailers

jkim5453

03-05-06, 04:11 PM

Thanks for the response. I've got a scientific atliantic box. I know I have the projector to 16:9, and I'm trying to find the setting on the HDTV box to double check it. Does it matter if I use component or DVI inputs?

I have an SA8300HD DVR. To enter its TV setup mode, power it off, and push down on both "Guide" and "Info" buttons on the set top box and follow the onscreen instructions.

There's a SA8300HD FAQ/tips-and-tricks thread somewhere in these forums which I found extremely useful.

HD works with both component video and DVI. I suggest to use component video to setup the box, and try DVI later (make sure your box's HDMI or DVI output is enabled by your cable provider - not all do.)

joe

jkim5453

03-05-06, 04:30 PM

...
Also the GL should happen on All resolution, this only happen on 720p and 1080i.

It's true - this particular noise only happens with HD signals, but I've yet to see it with 480i and 480p. 60Hz ground-loop humbar wasn't so discriminating.

...
I´m thinking im going to send the projector to check it out.... what everybody else think i should do?...

You should do what you feel is best because, at this point, I don't think anyone here can confirm whether or not it's a defect in the projector let alone one that can be fixed.

I'm just living with mine because I notice it very rarely with HD TV programs. It's most bothersome to me when I'm using a media center application on Xbox running at 720p (it happens always in this case,) but a quick unplug/replug of the video cable fixes that for me for the duration of running that application.

I'll be upgrading to an IN76 when it becomes generally available. If I still see the problem then, I'll know to do some more noise hunting. I won't worry about it until then.

joe

Basilisk

03-05-06, 04:34 PM

Thanks for the response. I've got a scientific atliantic box. I know I have the projector to 16:9, and I'm trying to find the setting on the HDTV box to double check it. Does it matter if I use component or DVI inputs?

HOSS,

I have a SA box, its the Explorer 3250HD. If you have this box you have to turn the box off. With the box off press the Guide and Info buttons on the box at the same time and a setup menu will come up. This will help you setup and verify that you are in 16:9 AR. I hope this helps.

Fred

Sorry, the answer to your ??? was already posted by Jkim.

HOSSinNH

03-05-06, 04:51 PM

Thanks to all for your help. I've found the SA3250 review/FAQ thread and I think it solved my issues with some settings. The Bruins are on tonight, I'll see how it goes!

Thanks again for all the help. Usually I find what I'm looking for with the search feature and dont have to post! :)

20fan

03-05-06, 05:23 PM

Interesting experience with lamp

I get a call at work from my wife this past Friday night, saying there is no light coming from the 4805 projector. She tells me the light on top is green, no red flashing sequence, and fan is running. She tries turning it off (hard power off with switch) and on a couple of times, still no lamp light. So I tell her I'll check it out when I get home. I find it with the same symptoms she described to me over the phone. When powering on the indicator light goes immediately to full on green and fan seems to be on "high". I pulled the lamp housing and cleaned off what little dust there was. Replaced in the projector and tried to start again, with same results. That leads us to today. Just out of curiousity I plugged it back in and turned the switch on, and low and behold the lamp strikes and we watch Satellite tv until I leave for work. I always run lamp on low power, but put it to high power for the afternoon. There is only 946 hrs on the lamp, and was sure glad to see it strike today. This leaves me wondering. Has anyone experienced a situation like this? If so can you shed some light on what may have happend?

jkim5453

03-05-06, 06:20 PM

...
I have all the cable run and the placement of the screen worked out but I want to build my mount and can't pre-drill the support for the PJ unless I have the hole layout for the screws. Does anybody have good measurements or an autocad drawing of the screw layout on the bottom of the projector? I can't find the info anywhere but would love to be ready to mount the projector and start calibrating it. If the measurements are within a reasonable tolerance I can use oversized holes and then fender washers to leave me some play, I may do that anyhow because I am not planning on making my mount very adjustable. I think in my setup, the screen may be easier to adjust. Also I think that I read somewhere that the screws I will need are m4 is that correct? Obviously the length depends on what I am mounting to so I will cut the screws to length but I need to have the right thread size.
...

On InFocus Web site, under 4805 support pages, either under something like "Resources" or "Documentation", there's a dimensinal drawing (in PDF format). It's what I used to measure out where to place the ceiling plate. I really wish the lense was centered in the case (looks like new IN7x models also have their lenses off center. :( )

joe

ronaldk988

03-05-06, 07:48 PM

no advice on whether the projector really got louder and or why?

BFauska

03-05-06, 08:02 PM

Joe,
Thank you, that drawing was a pain in the but to browse to... if you hadn't said that it would be there I definately would have given up, but a search for "4805 drawing" made it pretty easy to find.

I didn't see a screw size though, is my m4 information correct?

Any opinion on Video Essentials anybody?

Thanks again,
Later,
Brian

jkim5453

03-05-06, 09:22 PM

...
I didn't see a screw size though, is my m4 information correct?
...

On the same 4805 support page there should be links to a bunch of other PDF documents including ceiling mount instructions. I think it was for InFocus ceiling mount, but it had a parts list which should include the correct screw size.

joe

BFauska

03-05-06, 11:40 PM

Doh, thanks again... if anyone else wants to save some time and not search, the answer is that the projector is mounted using 3 M4x16mm screws.

Later,
Brian

booker21

03-06-06, 01:03 AM

It's true - this particular noise only happens with HD signals, but I've yet to see it with 480i and 480p. 60Hz ground-loop humbar wasn't so discriminating.

You should do what you feel is best because, at this point, I don't think anyone here can confirm whether or not it's a defect in the projector let alone one that can be fixed.

I'm just living with mine because I notice it very rarely with HD TV programs. It's most bothersome to me when I'm using a media center application on Xbox running at 720p (it happens always in this case,) but a quick unplug/replug of the video cable fixes that for me for the duration of running that application.

I'll be upgrading to an IN76 when it becomes generally available. If I still see the problem then, I'll know to do some more noise hunting. I won't worry about it until then.

joe

Joe,
Thank you for the reply, i´m going to try the projector on the other side of my house and check if still doing it.

My main problem is that i use the Projector with my Xbox A LOT, in fact is the main use... so.. i really hate those scrolling lines :)

Thank you for taking the time man..

cavu

03-06-06, 01:20 AM

Doh, thanks again... if anyone else wants to save some time and not search, the answer is that the projector is mounted using 3 M4x16mm screws.Simply searching this thread for "screw" brings up a lot of info on this topic including the following caution:What size screws do I need to go into the three holes at the bottom of the projector.To quote a warning from Bob Williams of InFocus: The threaded inserts in the bottom of the projector are 8mm deep. Do not go beyond that depth or you risk damaging the electronics inside (there is a plastic plug at the end of the insert but if you tighten the screws enough they will go right through it). The InFocus mount uses a 9.5mm spacer between the mounting plate and the projector to allow for the longer 16mm screw.

I cannot say anything regarding your specific situation other than recommending using the InFocus mount. The projector is only U.L. certified for safety using that mount.

therealgeno

03-06-06, 01:22 AM

Geno,

Thanks, but I am one of those in 95% league. In other words no TT/Zoomplayer and ffdshow.

I'll be purely using PowerDVD or Nero. So, what I understand from your response is, I will need to tweak the player (and not PJ). May be a dumb question, how about the grey scale. Do I need to touch the brightness/contrast (or they are already taken care with the 59/28.5 gain/offsets on PJ)?

:o

Well, the greyscale is different from contrast/brightness adjustments. Greyscale is actually pre-tuned to the D65 Hollywood standard - so simply adjusting the 58/28.5 studio dvi levels is all you need. Of course, you need to know if you are running overlay or vmr9. Easiest way is with DVE reverse grey ramps pattern. I'm not sure of Nero or PowerDVD lets you decide btw the two.

Which is why I am a big fan of TT - which lets you turn over all rendering of images to the 3D part of your video card, which enables much more depth and definition of different textures and images.

Do you own DVE?

Second, because we cannot adjust sat/hue when 480p to the 4805, then we must adjust sat/hue with the player (again, not sure of PowerDVD or Nero allows this). Just run your blue filter and appropriate test patterns.

So that's it, really. ;)

therealgeno

03-06-06, 01:28 AM

therealgeno

03-06-06, 01:30 AM

I am captureing the S video into the HTPC as well and I can get a OK picture but can't seem to get any better looking picture than the S-video.

I don't understand this sentence.

BTW, is your HTPC pixel-mapped out of curiosity?

BFauska

03-06-06, 01:32 AM

cavu,

Thank you for the warning. I didn't try to search for the word "screw" alone (oops.) I sometimes get annoyed with the search function on this forum and give up too easily. Thank you again for that warning, I will be sure to only allow the screws to go into the projector 8mm.

Later,
Brian

jkim5453

03-06-06, 01:49 AM

...
Thank you for taking the time man..

Sorry you couldn't get a satisfactory answer here. Since you're still under warranty, having InFocus look at it is probably the best option. Hope it works out for you.

joe

gonelong

03-06-06, 03:08 AM

I have a URC 6131 remote (I've had it for 3-4 years, well before I had my HT equipment) that I am using to run a 2nd TV, my cable box, my DVD player, my TiVO, and my receiver. It handles everthing except switching my receiver to DBS input. It will switch between the rest of the sources, but won't go to that particular input.

I have 2 questions into the folks at oneforall. I asked if they would provide a specific code JVC RX-D202 receiver and if they would provide a code for the IF SP4805 as well. I'll let you know how that turns out.

I did a few searchers and also checked the Ja Phule provided information and haven't seen this. If someone already has this information, I would appreciate it.

I am most interested to see if anyone has the code for the IF SP4805 basic functions - really, souce selection would be fine.

If not, I'll look for a URC replacement with back-lit buttons, macros, and learnig capability.

GL

boukante

03-06-06, 06:56 AM

Mntneer

03-06-06, 09:18 AM

The Infocus lamp situation is outrageous. My lamp went out after only 1150 hours last weekend. After spending most of my Sunday looking for it on the internet I gave up. On, Monday I found what may have been the last lamp around by calling B&H Photo in NYC. Using ovenight shipping I was back in business in 48 hours. I've sent an email to Infocus but don't expect them to give me a satisfactory answer.

Lucky devil. I gave up over the weekened, had more pressing matters, but it was painful to go an entire weekend and not have it available.

This Friday is the season finale of Galactica, I was hoping to watching it on the 4805 and not my LCD TV. :rolleyes:

homer1963

03-06-06, 11:48 AM

If not, I'll look for a URC replacement with back-lit buttons, macros, and learnig capability.

GL

The Harmony 560 is a great URC. It controls all of my equipment and you can set it up with software on your PC. Great Choice for the money, all of my other remotes are in the drawer now.

Mntneer

03-06-06, 01:10 PM

Finally! Found some in stock at Projectorzone.com. Called them and they had a few still on shelf, so I've got one coming to me this week. Yipppeee! :)

Oddly enough, when I called one place, they told me that all future sells for that lamp model were going to be handled directly through Infocus.

Either way. I'm happy I'll be back in business this weekend!

Ja Phule

03-06-06, 01:20 PM

Mntneer

03-06-06, 03:38 PM

Good news for sure. :)

I know I'm awaiting the BSG finale also... too bad it's not in HD.

Add to that, Sci Fi looks like crap, at least in my area it does. I just wish I had Universal HD available to me.

Ja Phule

03-06-06, 03:57 PM

Add to that, Sci Fi looks like crap, at least in my area it does. I just wish I had Universal HD available to me.

Agreed. Universal HD's broadcast of BSG though is a few episodes behind though.

20fan

03-06-06, 07:18 PM

Yes, this has happened to quite a few of us. Lamp just simply didn't strike. Don't sweat it.

Here is a piece of what I received from Infocus tech. in an email.

"The description provided would not point to the lamp as being out. When your LED is steady green and no light comes on then that would indicate that something is not registering with the “controller”. Basically your projector thinks it’s running fine and not lighting your lamp. We will arrange for your projector to come in for service. If the lamp is bad, we will replace it as well."

Do you think I should just hold off on sending it in for service? It seems to be working fine for last 2 days.

aaranddeeman

03-06-06, 09:50 PM

Well, the greyscale is different from contrast/brightness adjustments. Greyscale is actually pre-tuned to the D65 Hollywood standard - so simply adjusting the 58/28.5 studio dvi levels is all you need. Of course, you need to know if you are running overlay or vmr9. Easiest way is with DVE reverse grey ramps pattern. I'm not sure of Nero or PowerDVD lets you decide btw the two.

Which is why I am a big fan of TT - which lets you turn over all rendering of images to the 3D part of your video card, which enables much more depth and definition of different textures and images.

Do you own DVE?

Second, because we cannot adjust sat/hue when 480p to the 4805, then we must adjust sat/hue with the player (again, not sure of PowerDVD or Nero allows this). Just run your blue filter and appropriate test patterns.

So that's it, really. ;)

Geno,

Thanks again.

I do have DVE. I tried to find out overlay/vmr9 on PowerDVD but could'nt find anywhere. I'll check if nero has (but doubtful)
Also on the reverse grey ramps on DVE, should I be adjusting the PJ or the player? :confused:

BFauska

03-06-06, 10:20 PM

Jeff,
Thanks for link to the template, I am sure it would have been easier than what I did. The drawing on the InFocus site should be good enough to use, I built my mount today so whenever the projector gets here I will see how it worked.

Later,
Brian

rrhomes

03-07-06, 03:13 AM

I'm headed the SP4805 direction or the IF72. I recently bought a NEC HT510, a lot of people who have owned them loved them. But after having it for the weekend I realize that the contrast is just way to weak for me and the extra resolution is no pay off. Unless I'm doing something wrong. I only was able to hook it up to my PC I down loaded a trail version of TT and ffdshow and set every thing up right in the end the blacks where like a fade blacked T shirt. I ran a 720P Friday Night Lights and it looked good but no contrast and black detail was non existent. I had an X1 a few years back and I thought it had a much better image(Better Blacks, more WOW but it was my first PJ and I can't remember if I was just impress because of that). I can't believe the HT510 looks this lame but I have to face facts, unless it's my setup, but I'm pretty sure its not. I have a average video card FX5200 with built in mpeg2 decoder, I'm going to give it a true DVD player hook up and see but I'm 90%sure the contrast is just flat and theres nothing that can be done. So one reason I think the SP4805 may be my machine over the IF72 is the DCDi chip. I'll be shooting on a 92 vertical screen. The 750 lumens has me a little scared, how much brighter is the SP4805 than the X1 for anyone who has had them both. I waited on the HT510 to get a good deal but the crappy image has me shell shocked. The chip in it was 2 generations ahead of the X1 but it just has no range and low light output. If I get the blacks to where I'm impressed then the image has very low light or contrast. If I push the image up to light it up the black level is lame, and on top of all that the colors are ave to be kind. The yellow segement is a waist of space and just ads an dullness to the picture. I'm going to Ebay it here real soon but want to be sure the SP4805 is at least 25% brighter than the X1(when calibrated) according to PJcentral I would have 23 foot lamberts at 92 diaginal how will that be I have a totaly light controlled room(Not wall covering and such) but just pitch dark at night white side walls. I loved my X1 from recollection but I recall it being to dim when calibrated, I know the SP4805 is calibrated lumens so I'm just looking for some opinions. I don't really see how the IF72 is going to put up a $500 better image(same DC2 480P) since I plan to get a refubed SP4805. Fan noice is a concern also but my X1 was loud and I lived with it. It is said that the SP4805 get and additional 10% light from a progressive input so I'd probably go OPPO DVD player. 95% decided on the SP4805 because of my X1 experience but am worried about light output of the SP4805. To bad the HT510 resolution is killed by horrifingly low contrast. With my X1 I used to say WOW a few times a night. Even with HD over my PC with the HT510 I said nice but not really. I lot of people said as much(That the HT510 sucked) a lot of people said it rocks, IMO it's really lame and sad NEC droped the ball because it has a DC2 576P and is capable of so much more, total poor light path and color wheel just destroy it. Time to move on. Do you guys think the IF72 will have as good of blacks as the SP4805 since the contrast is the same but the light output is higher. Like I said I'm going refurb sure hope I don't get one that has 3000+ hours on the color wheel. My only other thought is a XGA like the X3 and then oppo for a DVD player. The X3 has high contrast and higher resiolution but I guess blacks on it would suffer some. Thanks David need reasuring that light output from SP4805 is good.

Sly_Dawg

03-07-06, 06:24 AM

Anyone with comments as to the new firmware? Does it completely solve the flashing issue for those of you who have put it in?

Sly_Dawg

03-07-06, 06:29 AM

Another thing is I used to use s-video to connect my htpc to my 4805 but the quality wasnt that great. So switched to DVI, and pixel mapped, but live tv is still not that great.

For far away images it seems blurry, but close-ups seem fine. Could this be because I need to send 50 Hz to it (Pal refresh rate, im in UK). Or is it an issue with my coaxial cable? Or something wrong with my other settings?

Cheers

mboy

03-07-06, 08:31 AM

you won,t regret it i have my refurb 4805 for about 6 months now and it runs like a champ, no regrets on my part, best value for the buck out there, bar none... :)

Got mine arond New Year refurb too and LOVE IT.

Probably close to 250 hours on it already.

Martin Butler

03-07-06, 08:45 AM

rrhomes, if you get the OPPO, you really should use the DVI out to the M1 in on the 4805, it looks better than the progressive out. Second, there is no 10% increase in light output from progressive out, it just means you have to properly calibrate for 480i. The 4805 is in a different league altogether than earlier model projectors, if you get it you'll be amazed.

Ja Phule

03-07-06, 09:40 AM

filiperangel

03-07-06, 10:01 AM

Anyone with comments as to the new firmware? Does it completely solve the flashing issue for those of you who have put it in?Sly,

I did the update last night and watch 2 hours of DVDs. No flashes at all.

[]'s

Filipe Rangel.

tradewinds

03-07-06, 10:08 AM

yep, no flashes here either (3 days now), although the gain/offset settings seems different to adjust to get it to .5

krasmuzik

03-07-06, 01:57 PM

Jack Gilvey

03-07-06, 02:12 PM

Howdy, all 4805 brothers!

Ja Phule

03-07-06, 03:07 PM

Howdy, all 4805 brothers!

Still visiting the thread I see.... do you still have the 4805 along with the panny? :)

Jack Gilvey

03-07-06, 03:20 PM

But, of course...although not here in the same house. ;) The old girl's residing in my brother's basement HT now, looking just as amazing each time I see 'er. I'll likely head there this weekend to update the firmware (still has the original) now that the flashing's apparently been taken care of. They do a lot of switching from HD to SD and back, and the loss of sync gets tedious (they've got to hit the "auto-image" button often), so the new firmware should be nice.

JeffKB

03-07-06, 03:25 PM

Have to keep in mind that many people get thrilled over their first projector because of the big screen - even JeffKB got excited over the FisherPrice projector for a while....

The Fisher-Price still gets my juices flowing. Such a smooth, SDE-less image - and you just can't beat the purple case and solid plastic construction! Before I got my 4805 I remember testing out a Firehawk sample with the Fisher-Price and thinking to myself that it's probably the first time in history the screen sample was worth more than the projector!

Howdy, all 4805 brothers!
Jack - good to hear from ya! Ever get that Panamorph working with the Panny?

rrhomes

03-07-06, 03:25 PM

rrhomes

And when I gave a review like that of the NECHT510 I got flamed.... Your eyes do not deceive you...it measures worse than an X1 in HT mode. Have to keep in mind that many people get thrilled over their first projector because of the big screen - even JeffKB got excited over the FisherPrice projector for a while....

The IN72 and SP4805 are going to be identical picture quality wise - so the main thing were you happy with the X1 case or do you want the shiny new black one? SP4805 is finally closing out soon after a nearly two year run - so obviously refurb deals are out there - but expect to pay MSRP on the IN72....the usual old vs. new model deal. The Faroudja will likely be better at 480i, PixelWorks better at 1080i - a bit of a tradeoff depending on your sources.

I think Bob Williams said the black levels were actually the same with the new cases they tweaked contrast - even though marketed number is the same I expect calibrated contrast to be a tad better. A ND2 filter should be used if the image is too bright for you initially until the lamp gets knocked down.

Yep got to call a spade a spade, I was one who didn't really believe you and it couldn't be that bad, after all a lot of people had it and were saying "It Rocks's," even people that should know. Truthfully I don't see how anyone who's seen it and knows just the basics can give it a thumbs up. I'm your ave joe and after tweaking it for 30 minutes my heart sank, The HT510 SUCKED. I mean Projector Central acted like very nice unit along with many others. I just went off of NEC and DC2 and Reviews and people who own it. I felt like I was betting on a Michael Jordan performance - of course it will rock, unfortunantly he had the worse game of his career. I was one that doubted your numbers but they were EXACT the contrast is around 275 calibrated and pounded on by most LCD's. Anyhow I won't lose any money, I'll actually make about $150 off of it. But I'm tired of waiting/analyzing so it's the SP4805 and in 2 years I'll sell the whole rig and move up to cheap 720P's when HD-DVD's are common place. I sure am glad I owned the X1 or I wouldn't know there is a difference. I'm hoping the SP4805 is about twice as bright as the X1. I'm just happy the SP4805 exist I can move sideways from a price stand point and get a PJ that I'll like, I loved my X1 I don't see how I could not like the SP4805. Please GOD I want my old life back DEEP BLACKS and HIGH CONTRAST. :)

Jack Gilvey

03-07-06, 03:48 PM

Jack - good to hear from ya! Ever get that Panamorph working with the Panny?
Nahh, I haven't bothered with a scaler till I see what the next gen of DVD brings. I'm very happy with the current CH setup, though, just takes an extra minute to zoom in or out...no worries. :)

cavu

03-07-06, 04:30 PM

And when I gave a review like that of the NECHT510 I got flamed.... Hey Kras! I completely agree with you and I also got trashed for making negative comments on this unit.

But, y'know, I think some people flame you just 'cause they like to flame you! I think we should get you a teflon vest. And maybe a Zorro mask. ;)

scottwood2

03-07-06, 04:47 PM

Sly_Dawg,
I haven't noticed any flickering yet with the new firmware. Regular TV can look like crap or good depending on how good the feed to the channel is. Try DScaler software for tv and see if that helps.

I am doing the same thing. I take S Video from my Direct TV Tivo into the HTPC and use D Scaler to tweak it and send it out by DVI. DVD's from the computer look really great but I thought the S video would look at least as good as the s video input to the projector. It does not seem to be as good.

Still going to play around with the capture card and D Scaler. I was thinking of running S Video from my old DVD into the capture card to calibrate it with my Avia DVD. Should be a good starting point??

Ja Phule

03-07-06, 04:52 PM

Still going to play around with the capture card and D Scaler. I was thinking of running S Video from my old DVD into the capture card to calibrate it with my Avia DVD. Should be a good starting point??

Running AVIA would calibrate your dvd player to your capture card.... but this doesn't mean the calibrations set by AVIA would work for your direct tv. It may or may not help. It also doesn't help contrast and brightness can also vary from channel to channel.

eolhc

03-07-06, 06:03 PM

No flashes after ~6 hours

0GIBS

03-07-06, 07:29 PM

I do not know if this was ever said but going from 32 bit to 16 bit cleared up all the lag on my projector playing games so maybe that can help someone, maybe with playing movies also. Component thru a dvd player was never a problem so have not bothered going there yet with my computers but hey it is an option as some have shown. :)

therealgeno

03-07-06, 10:09 PM

Geno,

Thanks again.

I do have DVE. I tried to find out overlay/vmr9 on PowerDVD but could'nt find anywhere. I'll check if nero has (but doubtful)
Also on the reverse grey ramps on DVE, should I be adjusting the PJ or the player? :confused:

Yeah, it probably won't tell you. I'll bet it uses overlay.

A while back, the consensus was to use the RGB gains/offsets on the 4805 because there are more bits there to drive the panel (since DVI is only 8 bits) - the theory is to eliminate banding this way. Then Bob Williams informed us that the 4805's contrast/brightness operates in 10 bits rather than 8 bits - so it doesn't matter. But still use the RGB gains/offsets because it is harder to mess those numbers up.

On the reverse grey ramp pattern, you want to blend in all the white bars from the three dots over (therefore setting WTW), and you want to blend the black bars from the three dots over (sets BTB). And you will want to stand one foot in front of the screen when you do this. The RGB gains will essentially adjust the white, RGB offsets the black. And you will have to go back and forth.

Sat/hue you will have to use the player, however.

Let us know if you have any more questions!! ;)

spyder696969

03-08-06, 12:42 AM

mobius

03-08-06, 01:24 AM

Well I have my HTPC up and running. We watched a few movies last night. All I can say is WOW! :) :) :)

I have been using S video but this setup with DVI is just incredable. Only bad thing is that now when I go back and watch Direct tv SD w S video it looks bad compared to a DVD.

I am captureing the S video into the HTPC as well and I can get a OK picture but can't seem to get any better looking picture than the S-video.

Try Socio's site for hints on how to improve output of your SDTV stuff:

Welcome to the ffdshow/Avisynth with Limited Sharpen how to guides for HTPC users (http://free.hostdepartment.com/f/ffdshowGuides/index.html)

Choose the "TV Guide" tab at the top.

mobius

03-08-06, 01:33 AM

Ok, so I just had a go round with OutofFocus's warranty non-service.

The focus ring on my 4805 is a bit loose. While focusing the unit it will shift about 1-2mm back and forth and up and down. The image moves at the same time. This make it hard to get the unit to focus properly because when you take your finger of the focus ring the image shifts and goes out of focus. Additionally it will go out of focus by itself over about a hour.

So I sent the unit back for warranty repair. After about 2 weeks they claimed there wasn't anything wrong with the unit except for a "banding problem". I told them they should recheck the unit, I didn't know about any "banding problem". Another week past and I contacted them to see what was going on. They said they would check on the unit. The next day I get a shipping notice and it shows up a week later unrepaired! No explaination.

Has anyone else had the loose focus ring problem or this type of bad warranty service? Any way to get your unit fixed without going without it for a month? How's Optomo's service quality? InFocus won't be high on my list when upgrade time rolls around.

IIRC, as smithfarmer stated, Bob Williams said in the original thread that the focus and zoom adjustments are tied together to some degree. That doesn't address the issue of a loose focus ring, but it does speak to the image moving when you focus the image.

I'll try to post his response on this issue from the original thread tommorow night.

sbarkley3

03-08-06, 06:09 AM

The HT Rookie

03-08-06, 06:28 AM

I just set my 4805 up yesterday. My image is not perfectly square, and when I try to adjust the keystone it does nothing. I contacted infocus and they suggested I upgrade the firmware. I did this and still no keystone adjustment. I can move it from 0 to 100 with no change in the image. I have about a 1 inch gap on either side at the bottom of the screenl.

Thanks for any help.

When you are adjusting the keystone do you have a signal connected? The keystone adjustment will not work unless there is a signal being displayed. You will see the box at the bottom of the screen with the indicator moving from 0-100 but the adjustment will not affect the image unless there is an active signal.

Good luck and enjoy your new toy!

htr

sbarkley3

03-08-06, 06:38 AM

Thank You! I had a feeling it was something simple like that, I just didn't have a lot of time to mess with it before work. I was trying to adjust it on the blank infocus screen with no signal.

Clams Canino

03-08-06, 08:28 AM

Wow... that's one on me too. I would have thought the splash screen could handle that. I mean - what other good is it?? :)

-W

bprevallet

03-08-06, 08:35 AM

Clams Canino

03-08-06, 08:41 AM

Yeah, it probably won't tell you. I'll bet it uses overlay.

A while back, the consensus was to use the RGB gains/offsets on the 4805 because there are more bits there to drive the panel (since DVI is only 8 bits) - the theory is to eliminate banding this way. Then Bob Williams informed us that the 4805's contrast/brightness operates in 10 bits rather than 8 bits - so it doesn't matter. But still use the RGB gains/offsets because it is harder to mess those numbers up.

On the reverse grey ramp pattern, you want to blend in all the white bars from the three dots over (therefore setting WTW), and you want to blend the black bars from the three dots over (sets BTB). And you will want to stand one foot in front of the screen when you do this. The RGB gains will essentially adjust the white, RGB offsets the black. And you will have to go back and forth.

Sat/hue you will have to use the player, however.

Let us know if you have any more questions!! ;)

PowerDVD is indeed overlay. Note that when you use hardware accelleration checked boxed in PowerDVD you get different numbers than software only.

I use software only and do all the settings in PowerDVD. No gripes here.

-W

wes nance

03-08-06, 08:48 AM

Calling all fellow 4805 owners that have upconverting DVD players!

Over and over, I see the Bravo and Oppo being raved about here. What distinct advantages do these two units have over all the others made by Sony, Samsung, Toshiba, LG, and all the others? Is it just in build quality, or is it the ability to calibrate settings, or compatiblilty with the 4805, or...???

Thanks in advance!

With the Bravo, it's the ability to pixel map to the native resolution of the 4805 display, just like a HTPC, for image quality in a stand alone unit.

With the OPPO, it's the quality of the deinterlaced image, combined with strong customer support, etc.

I have an OPPO, later today I'll have a Bravo as well, I'll let you all know what I see.

Wes

Ja Phule

03-08-06, 09:55 AM

I'm getting ready to purchase my firt PJ and I'm considering the SP4805. However, I would like to "throw" the image at 22 feet. Many of the calculators I've seen does not suggest this distance. Has anyone "thrown" an image from the SP4805 at 22 feet or more? If so, what's the quality:

bart

How close will you be sitting from the screen? Most people recommend sitting around 2x the width of your screen. A 22ft throw will give you a 143" (diagonal) image at the minimum, which I might add, is a pretty big image (most people in the forum have an image anywhere from 80" to 120", with 92" being common for the 4805). If you sit closer than 20ft, then you will see a lot of screen door effect. The image may be watchable if you sit around 20ft, but the image may not have the vivid and punch that you would get with a smaller image. As soon as the bulb starts dimming, the picture quality will also get dimmer.

jubjub75

03-08-06, 09:56 AM

Rahl

03-08-06, 10:18 AM

I've got a question about a possible problem.

Last night, I turned on my projector to watch HP: Goblet of Fire and turned on my Xbox 360 (which I use as a DVD player at the moment) and nothing happened.

I mean, the projector booted up to the blue InFocus screen, and the 360 started up, but the 360s image wasn't being displayed. It just stayed at the blue screen.

I checked all the cords, which were perfect since it takes me about 5 minutes to even get to them.

So, I thought it might be the 360 so I rebooted it about 5 times, and still, nothing but the blue screen.

Finally, after getting that nervous knot in my stomach, I decided to shut down the projector, and start it back up.

When the projector started back up, and I turned on the 360, everything ran perfectly and I watched the movie without any more hiccups.

My question is, what caused it to stay at the blue screen? I'm assuming it was the projector not realizing there was a signal.

I just wanted to see what your guys thoughts on this was...

eolhc

03-08-06, 10:32 AM

Rahl

03-08-06, 10:38 AM

No, the firmware hasn't been upgraded.

I don't think it was a cable, because like I mentioned, it takes a good amount of time to even get to them, so I don't know how they would have gotten loose. I double checked anyways, and they were fine.

Hmmmm.....

Ja Phule

03-08-06, 10:50 AM

Rahl

03-08-06, 11:17 AM

Yeah, I switched inputs until it got stuck on input 3. I couldn't get it to switch after that. That's when I decided to restart the projector.

And yes, it's on auto-source.

:confused:

Ja Phule

03-08-06, 11:32 AM

Yeah, I switched inputs until it got stuck on input 3. I couldn't get it to switch after that. That's when I decided to restart the projector.

And yes, it's on auto-source.

:confused:

Were you able to switch back to the main input before it got stuck or did it get stuck and you weren't able to witch back? The 4805 would freeze sometimes when you are accessing the menus and switching sources at the same time.

Rahl

03-08-06, 11:59 AM

Mntneer

03-08-06, 12:18 PM

Has anyone been able to find a replacement bulb lately? My bulb pooped out the day before the Super Bowl (on which I had people coming over to watch the game...grr) and I have been looking for a replacement ever. NOBODY seems to have them in stock.

Going back to my 32" TV for the last month has been painful :)

I was in the same boat. Called EVERYWHERE... no one had them. One company said it was because Infocus was going to handle all future lamp sales for the 4805 directly through their site.

Anyways, called up http://www.projectorzone.com, was going to be the last place I called out of over a dozen. They said they still had a couple on shelf, so I had them ship me one out Monday, it should be here tomorrow.

Give them a call, (888) 268-8267, and see if they still have any in stock. Price is what you'll find anywhere else.

Ja Phule

03-08-06, 12:28 PM

Usually it's setup for Input 2, since that's the component input.

When nothing showed up there, I switched inputs using the remote and went through each one. On the second time through them, that's where it got stuck on input 3 which is the composite video input.

I never accessed the menu on the projector at any point.

I have the firmware which has the keystoning effect that displays the single line across the screen then goes back to normal when making corrections. If that helps any.

I believe this has happened to me before (maybe more than once). Usually restarting the 4805 back up (after letting it cool for a few minutes) seems to do the trick as you mentioned. As to why it happens, I'm not quite sure. It doesn't do it frequently, not enough for me to have any worries at least.

DeerHunter

03-08-06, 12:37 PM

... later today I'll have a Bravo as well, I'll let you all know what I see.

Wes

Where the heck are you guys finding the BRAVO still available? I've checked the VINC. website, and it's been sold out for quite a while. Talked to a csr there a few days ago and she says that the D3??? will be available maybe in June or July!

cavu

03-08-06, 01:15 PM

With the Bravo, it's the ability to pixel map to the native resolution of the 4805 display, just like a HTPC ... With the OPPO, it's the quality of the deinterlaced imageIt's important to note that when using either the Bravo or the Oppo, you must use a DVI connection. Neither of the named players is famous for its analog output. ;)

wes nance

03-08-06, 01:20 PM

Where the heck are you guys finding the BRAVO still available? I've checked the VINC. website, and it's been sold out for quite a while. Talked to a csr there a few days ago and she says that the D3??? will be available maybe in June or July!

Ebay for me, $74 plus shipping.

JaPhule said he saw some on Ubid, I think.

If it works as well as Cavu says (he's pretty convincing) plus Bob Williams' recommendation, I'd say it's a cheap way to a high quality image, I'll post some opinions tomorrow, probably. I've always wanted to try pixel mapping, and I just don't think a HTPC is going to happen for me anytime soon. . .

Also, Cavu has been very generous, it's like having built in tech support for these Bravo units. He's given me the general idea of what to look for in replacing a few parts in the power supply, etc., and has been very patient with pm's, etc.

Thanks, Cavu!

Wes

rrhomes

03-08-06, 01:40 PM

The OPPO will pixel map 1:1 with the 4805 won't it? I thought the OPPO's were DCDi and 1:1.

Ja Phule

03-08-06, 01:44 PM

Oppo will only do 480p, 576p, 540p, 720p, and 1080i. They have not implemented 854x480 for pixel mapping.

gonelong

03-08-06, 01:48 PM

When viewing Live or recorded content via my TiVO, the picture is MUCH darker than when viewing Live TV through the cable-box. Any ideas of why that might be?

Everything is running through a JVC RX-D202 receiver. Cable box has DVI-M1, while TiVo has component cables. DVD player uses same type of component cables as the TiVO (I have swapped them to see if its the cables) and it looks great.

GL

cavu

03-08-06, 01:57 PM

Where the heck are you guys finding the BRAVO still available? I've checked the VINC. website, and it's been sold out for quite a while.It's the D2 that is "sold out" - the D1 is no longer in production. The only place to get either the D1 or D2 is the pre-owned marketplace (although I have heard rumours of a couple of dealers with demo units).

Because of a licensing issue, VINC. will not be selling any more D2 units. In fact, there is a warehouse somewhere that has a very large shipment of D2 players stored (right next to the Ark of the Covenant) that will never see the light of day because of the use of a logo on the front panel. The licensor tried to ding VINC twice for the same license and it was cheaper for VINC to eat the inventory than fight the bogus claim.

But if you are looking for the best DVD image over an SP4805 that is possible, the Bravo is your baby. The D1 can provide a direct digital connection from the DVD loader's laser all the way through to the InFocus DLP DMD display chip. The intimate match between the Bravo and the SP4805 provides the best DVD image available on a projector. Period! Bob Williams of InFocus and Alan Gouger (our AVS host) are big fans of the Bravo.

Both players (like the Momitsu units) have the ability to output custom resolutions and refresh rates, just like an HTPC. They have no problem outputting 854x480 at 48Hz or 72Hz, as an example. They will also pixel-map to 1280x768 or any other odd resolution to suit non-InFocus displays.

But 1:1 pixel-mapping means digitally matching the source image to the display and, in the case of standard def DVD, that means 480 (or 576 PAL) - not 720, 768, 1080, etc. So the real magic rests with the SP4805/IN72 combined with the Bravo (or the Momitsu).

Both units can also provide upscaling over DVI or component and Region-free operation. You must have the latest firmware for all the tricks to work though.

The D1 has an advantage over the D2 in that it supports Divx and the D2 does not but the D2 does not suffer from some chronic issues that have plagued the D1.

The D1 was spooked with wierd performance issues which developed over a period of time, such as hanging, skipping, not loading, not turning on, etc. Many "so-called" experts decided that changing the DVD loader improved things but they are wrong!

After properly trouble-shooting my first D1 (I am an electronics design engineer and have never stayed at a Holiday Inn Express), I found that the power supply was "noisy" (electrical - not acoustic) and the problem could be typically traced to a bad capacitor which can be easily replaced.

In my experience, this PS mod definitely eliminates all the "common issues" and the Bravo becomes a very reliable, robust unit. The original Bravo design was very good - the problems arose when underrated parts got into the production line in China and the QC didn't catch them. The faulty capacitor will degrade over a period of time and will ultimately fail.

I have modded more than a dozen units for family and others and have never had a secondary failure. Either the original "Fuss" loader or the later "EPO" loader work just fine.

PM me for a suggestion on where to find some Bravo units.

homer1963

03-08-06, 02:08 PM

Yeah, I switched inputs until it got stuck on input 3. I couldn't get it to switch after that. That's when I decided to restart the projector.

And yes, it's on auto-source.

:confused:
I have had this happen as well. I think sometimes when you turn the unit on it locks up the video processor ( think about how often windows locks up on a PC!) The last time this occurred was after the Super Bowl and I had taken the unit to a friends house. I could not get anything on component. I did all the things you did and finally I decided to do a Cold Boot. (I have a switched power source). I let it sit for 15 min and powered it up and it worked fine. Most units like this have internal resets that are powered as long a the unit is plugged in. So to get a full reset you need to unplug the unit from the power source. To sum it up the Projector is fine it just wants to act like a PC!.

rrhomes

03-08-06, 02:18 PM

CAVU, I thought all WS DVD's were 720 x 480 so if the Bravo sends 854 x 480 then it has to upscale to that res. Since it's digital(DVI) I didn't think it mattered if the scaling happened in the player or by the PJ letting it scale from 720x480 to 854x480 I thought that was what the SP4805 is known for and the OPPO. Since the base resolution of DVD's is 740x480 aren't we just talking about quality of scalers. I guess what I'm saying is if the OPPO sends 720x480 via DVI and the PJ digitally scales the 720 to 854 vs the Bravo scaling the 720 to 854 and then sending it to the PJ all this via DVI ie still in the digital realm doesn't it just boil down to which one does the best scaling. If the Bravo is truely better I'm glad I found out as I was sure it was the OPPO.

cavu

03-08-06, 03:20 PM

the OPPO sends 720x480 via DVI and the PJ digitally scales the 720 to 854 vs the Bravo scaling the 720 to 854 and then sending it to the PJ All DVDs are recorded at 720x480, not just wide-screen.

The thing about DVD encoding is that the pixels are not "square": in a standard 4:3 DVD, the 720 pixels are narrower than square and, for display, map out to 640 square display pixels. In a wide-screen DVD the 720 pixels are wider than square and, for display, map out to 854 square display pixels. The 720 recorded pixels are encoded in the proper manner so that they map to the display resolution correctly without creating artifacts.

This is not "upscaling" or "downscaling" per se. The conversion always takes place in the DVD player - DVD player never actually outputs the 720 non-square pixels: it sends either 640/854 square digital pixels or the analog equivalent. In the case of the Oppo, it is the analog equivalent resolution, 480p. In the case of the Bravo, it is 854x480 digital pixels.

Bob Williams, the designer of the InFocus 4805, 7210 and 777, uses a Bravo D1 at home and also uses the Bravo D1 in his lab to test the projectors. Bob says "I have never seen better looking film-based output from a DVD player than I have through the Bravo D1 via DVI." That's simply "good enough for me"!!

Alan Gouger, our AVS host, says the Bravo produces a better image than his expensive HTPC setup.

But, wait for Wes Nance to offer his direct comparison later today. He is an Oppo owner and has been a qualified Bravo sceptic from the outset. His opinion will be worth waiting for! ;)

jubjub75

03-08-06, 03:22 PM

I was in the same boat. Called EVERYWHERE... no one had them. One company said it was because Infocus was going to handle all future lamp sales for the 4805 directly through their site.

Anyways, called up http://www.projectorzone.com, was going to be the last place I called out of over a dozen. They said they still had a couple on shelf, so I had them ship me one out Monday, it should be here tomorrow.

Give them a call, (888) 268-8267, and see if they still have any in stock. Price is what you'll find anywhere else.

Mntneer - thanks for the reply, but I think you may have gotten their last one. I just called and they're out of stock. Thanks for trying!!

Any other ideas for replacement bulbs?

Mntneer

03-08-06, 03:34 PM

Mntneer - thanks for the reply, but I think you may have gotten their last one. I just called and they're out of stock. Thanks for trying!!

Any other ideas for replacement bulbs?

Sorry about that. I tried a dozen places and no one had any, and no one had any ideas of when they'd be getting some. Some places, like Tiger Direct, wanted to take my order anyways and say they could ship one between 7 and 21 days, but i didn't want to wait that long.

It was Projector Concepts that told me that in the future, Infocus would be limiting 4805 lamp sales to their internal site, and that there was no timeline on when a new shipment of lamps would make it to the states.

I'd try call Infocus directly and find out what's up. I can't help but think the limited supply is in an attempt to get people to upgrade to one of the newer projectors.

03-08-06, 03:38 PM

But 1:1 pixel-mapping means digitally matching the source image to the display and, in the case of standard def DVD, that means 480 (or 576 PAL) - not 720, 768, 1080, etc. So the real magic rests with the SP4805/IN72 combined with the Bravo (or the Momitsu).I've always been under the impression that 1:1 pixel-mapping meant the digital output of the player was the same resolution as the native resolution as the display device in order for each pixel to be driven individually and not requiring any scaling or interpolating by the display device. It had nothing to do with the source's resolution and whether the player did any scaling was irrelevant.

cavu

03-08-06, 04:07 PM

I've always been under the impression that 1:1 pixel-mapping meant the digital output of the player was the same resolution as the native resolution as the display device in order for each pixel to be driven individually and not requiring any scaling or interpolating by the display device.You are describing "pixel-mapping" - the signal provided to the display device matches the display device native resolution and the display device does no scaling (a "native" input mode not available on all displays as some always scale the signal, even if they don't have to).

It had nothing to do with the source's resolution and whether the player did any scaling was irrelevant.1:1 pixel-mapping goes back to the source. Hence, it is impossible to do 1:1 pixel-mapping of a standard def DVD onto anything but a 480 (576 PAL) display. Simple pixel-mapping yes, but not 1:1.

When/if the HD wars are settled, it may be possible to do 1080-based DVD 1:1 pixel-mapping onto a 1080 display. But 1:1 DVD pixel-mapping to a 720, 768, etc., display is not in the cards.

We need 1:1 pixel-map output from our cable/sat STBs to do 720 for FOX, ABC and ESPN.

BobBart

03-08-06, 04:24 PM

If anyone wants a bravo d1 newegg.com has them.

cavu

03-08-06, 04:33 PM

If anyone wants a bravo d1 newegg.com has them.I knew that but didn't want to post it here because there are problems with that offer!

Caveat Emptor!

Those units are not new, despite what newegg says. Vizio confirmed to me that they are refurbs that were provided with a 90-day warranty effective from when the distributor purchased them. The longer they sit on the shelf and in the delivery chain, the shorter the warranty gets!! Neither could Vizio confirm that the power supply mod was done to those units.

Still a great deal. Just not what it appears to be.

BTW, there were 18 units left but the sale ends today.

PS. Vizio is currently having a non-productive discussion with newegg re these units. Vizio states that, contrary to assertions made on the newegg web site, Visio is not providing a new unit warranty on these units! Discussions continue and Vizio is trying to trace the origin of the units.

IMHO, it doesn't really matter whether or not any warranty is available on these units because it is still a GREAT deal. If the power supplies begin to fail or need modding, I will undertake to assist AVS members to get them fixed properly and to load the most current firmware. If necessary, I'll even help find new homes for them - lots of people ask me where to find them ;)

[Note: I am not assuming any financial responsibility here, just offering help!]

Mouw

03-08-06, 06:04 PM

If the Bravo is truely better I'm glad I found out as I was sure it was the OPPO.
what CAVU is telling U is right on target....
iam not an engineer, but i been looking at these things for a while now
and I have 4 different sources to AB/CD ... read my account of a visual story

HTPC - Oppo - Momitsu V880DX feeding the 4805 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6924629#post6924629)

tradewinds

03-08-06, 06:51 PM

IMHO, it doesn't really matter whether or not any warranty is available on these units because it is still a GREAT deal. If the power supplies begin to fail or need modding, I will undertake to assist AVS members to get them fixed properly and to load the most current firmware. If necessary, I'll even help find new homes for them - lots of people ask me where to find them ;)

[Note: I am not assuming any financial responsibility here, just offering help!]

I better pick one up now then. Cavu, is it only the power supply and a capacitor that needs replacing? What skill level is needed to do those. Any help and advise is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

cavu

03-08-06, 07:51 PM

is it only the power supply and a capacitor that needs replacing? What skill level is needed to do those.If you can do basic soldering (or have a friend who can) it's pretty simple. I can provide step by step instructions and/or walk you through it over the phone (I have 7x24 *free* long distance). If the unit is still "working" (albeit "flaky") the solution is to replace a particular part (http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=Capacitors&product=2729014) which can be purchased at Radio Shack or similar outlet. You will need
a soldering iron (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062728&cp=&kw=soldering+iron&parentPage=search)
solder (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062722&cp=&pg=1&y=5&s=A-StorePrice-RSK&x=6&kw=solder+silver&numProdsPerPage=20&parentPage=search)
desoldering braid (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062744&cp=&pg=1&y=8&kw=desolder&x=18&s=A-StorePrice-RSK&parentPage=search) or solder sucker (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062742&cp=&pg=1&y=8&kw=desolder&x=18&s=A-StorePrice-RSK&parentPage=search)
Diagonal cutter (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2036323&cp=&kw=diagonal+cutter&parentPage=search)
Philips screw-driver
You can get much if this or equivalent in a kit (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062759&cp=&kw=screwdriver&parentPage=search). If you have to buy everything I have listed, it'll only cost you about $25 !

If the unit is "dead", it may require the use of a voltmeter (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103534&cp=&kw=voltmeter&parentPage=search) which you could borrow or buy one at Radio Shack plus a couple of other parts.

I will help you all the way.

mobius

03-08-06, 07:55 PM

IIRC, as smithfarmer stated, Bob Williams said in the original thread that the focus and zoom adjustments are tied together to some degree. That doesn't address the issue of a loose focus ring, but it does speak to the image moving when you focus the image.

I'll try to post his response on this issue from the original thread tommorow night.

As promised, here's Bob's response concerning the relationship between the focus and the zoom adjustment:

Post 3615
Author : Bob Williams
Date : 09/08/04 10:10 PM

Originally posted by Martin Butler
Quoting kishorm: Any idea as to why zoom changes when changing focus?"

I'm curious if this in exclusive to the 4805 or if other projectors do this as well.

Bob, can you tell me why I'm seeing a thin white line down the left side of my screen in native and 4X3 mode when watching cable television through the S-Video connections?

The 4805 lens, as with many others, is not parafocal, so zooming will change focus, and focus will change zoom. It is close, but not quite.

The thin white line suggests improper framing of the video by either the source or the projector. Have you tried overscan to get rid of it?

rrhomes

03-08-06, 08:26 PM

We'll if Bob Williams uses is as a test player then I think thats enough for me too, is the D1 better than the D2? Did they fix the PS problem with the D2. Price doesn't concern me I just want the best player.

joedaman

03-08-06, 08:43 PM

All audio seems to be working just fine thanks to great advice from you folks. Now I have a problem with color from the 4805. The picture is clear ( good resolution ) but the colors are bland or non-existent. I certainly didn't get the "wow" effect described by others in the forum. The wife has been patient with the entire project up to this point and to hear her say she is unimpressed really has put a damper on the whole HT thing. i think I've done everything right......component cable to PJ from yamaha 6760 DVD. I went through all settings on both the DVD player and the PJ. I just can't seem to get the colors to pop....any advice????

spyder696969

03-08-06, 08:51 PM

I STILL want to know how one of the other ones compare. Would they do a prety good job too? The Oppos and Bravos are a bit hard to find at prices I'm used to paying. I had a chance to get a Samsung and a Sony upconverting player for under $30 each, but I held off, thinking I'd just get one of these two.

I'm not sure I've got the time for all the pixel mapping. How long will that take to get it "good"? I'm saying "good", because it seems like it's a never-ending process that can be continually tweaked, ever-searching for the "perfect" settings/picture.

cavu

03-08-06, 09:35 PM

We'll if Bob Williams uses is as a test player then I think thats enough for me, is the D1 better than the D2? Did they fix the PS problem with the D2.The DVI performance of the D1 and D2 is identical.

The D2 has an "improved" loader, Brightness, Contrast and Saturation controls, improved Component video and a nicer remote. The D2 is a mirror silver finish. (I don't like having the additional video controls - more to screw up with no particular benefit!!)

The D1 has a matte black finish (which better matches my other equipment).

The D2 does not suffer from the faulty PS.

cavu

03-08-06, 09:46 PM

How long will that take to get it "good"? I'm saying "good", because it seems like it's a never-ending process that can be continually tweaked, ever-searching for the "perfect" settings/picture.On the Bravo its pretty much plug and play. Set the custom resolution for 854x480@48Hz. Use that for movies. Switch back to the preset 852x480@60Hz for video-based material. That's it.

rrhomes

03-08-06, 09:51 PM

The DVI performance of the D1 and D2 is identical.

The D2 has an "improved" loader, Brightness, Contrast and Saturation controls, improved Component video and a nicer remote. The D2 is a mirror silver finish. (I don't like having the additional video controls - more to screw up with no particular benefit!!)

The D1 has a matte black finish (which better matches my other equipment).

I agree the D1 is better looking so the PS issue is as likley on a D2 as a D1. If there is no diference in PS units then I'd just as well not pay the extra $50-$75 for the D2.

wes nance

03-08-06, 09:55 PM

Hi,

I got the Bravo hooked up to my 4805, and watched a little Star Wars EpIII with the default 852x480 gateway setting, and the custom 854x480 48hz setting.

I picked the Yoda fight with Darth Sideous, as I spent a lot of time looking at that on my OPPO taking screen shots trying to get anything close to Luis's HTPC pictures.

So, bear in mind that I have not tonight done back to back comparisons with my OPPO, and I don't have a DVI switcher, so I couldn't do quick comparisons anyway.

My quick impressions are that the picture, quite frankly, looks amazing, and seems to be sharper and have more detail than the OPPO. I looked at details like Yoda's hair wisps, etc., which I remember seeing in Luis' pics, and I couldn't seem to get the same detail on my screen. It really is a stunning picture, especially for the price. Thanks, Cavu.

As far as reliability, etc., I don't have anything to report other than it works right now. I'm going to replace the capacitor Cavu mentioned above, and leave it at that. I'll have to see how it does reading a variety of discs compared to the OPPO, which reads everything in sight with no problems.

The D1 doesn't have some of the features of the OPPO, doesn't do DVD-audio, and I haven't messed with trying to get the remote codes learned to my universal remote, etc., and is basically a simple high video quality player without any additional frills, but in that sense it's a perfect match for the 4805. I'm basically looking for a dvd player that looks amazing, I pop a dvd in, hit play, and that's mostly it!

I think if I had a 720p display, and the OPPO was pixel mapped, it would be a really close call, but with our odd resolution, the D1 pixel mapping really makes a big difference- I can't imagine a HTPC having much of an edge over what I'm seeing now, especially with the ability to do custom 48hz.

Bottom line is that for the price ($90 shipped at newegg, I paid that used off of Ebay) you *will not* get a better display with the 4805 with anything else. Double the price, and think the statement still stands.

There you go, Cavu, enjoy your evening!

Wes

cavu

03-08-06, 11:27 PM

I went through all settings on both the DVD player and the PJ. I just can't seem to get the colors to pop....any advice????Have you calibrated the system with Avia, DVE or even THX Optimizer??

cavu

03-08-06, 11:30 PM

Talked to a csr there a few days ago and she says that the D3??? will be available maybe in June or July!There is not going to be a D3.

Bennan

03-09-06, 12:18 AM

Hey, everyone! This is my first post, so be easy on me. Thanks! H-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-P-P-P-P-P !!!!!!!!!!! :D

I have a bunch of questions, and I'm really hoping that someone here can help me. I got an InFocus Sp 4805 projector about four months ago, and I recently decided that I want to upgrade my shoddy REGION-FREE Yamakawa DVD player. (Yeah... I know. Yamakawa who???) I've been reading a bunch of reviews of Region-Free DVD players on several different sites, and my head is spinning from all of my options. A few questions:

(1) Is an HDMI or DVI capable DVD player really going to make a noticeable difference to the picture quality on my 4805??? I keep reading that the native resolution of the projector is 854x480 pixels and that all HDTV signals (720p and 1080i) will be scaled down to the native resolution. So what is the point of getting a DVD player capable of having an image upscaled to that image quality sent over the HDMI cable, only to have it downscaled back to 854x480???

(2) Does anyone here have PERSONAL, FIRST-HAND experience comparing the image from a nice 480p hardware Progressive Scan image... compared with a 720p or 1080i HDMI-cable image that is downscaled to the projector??? Is the average person really going to notice a difference??? Is the extra cost for a Hi-Def player really worth it???

(3) I've just started trying to read through both "Official Infocus 4805 Thread"s, but, frankly, I'm finding the 700+ pages of comments to be a bit daunting. I've read some people talking about a couple of DVD players that are supposed to be perfectly matched with the 4805... the "Oppo" and the "D2"... but I don't even know what the exact make/models that people are referring to !!! Are either of these players Region-Free, or can they be modified to be Region-Free???

(4) I keep reading that this player or that has "ColorStream Pro", or "Digital Cinema Progressive", or "DCDi Faroudja Progressive"... or whatever other fancy image processing capability. Is this all just B.S., or do some (or all) of these really make a difference in image quality??? I don't even begin to know what I should be REALLY looking for, and what I should be ignoring.

(5) Does anyone have any recommendations for a really good Region-Free DVD player to use with the 4805??? What I'm mainly looking for is:

(a) the highest quality image for all-Region discs... FIRST & LAST PRIORITY, really!!!
(b) the ability to play RCE coded discs
(c) an integrated 12-16 MB NTSC > PAL Converter... don't want to have to buy a separate piece of hardware
(d) true DTS processing (and not just a pass through) along with the obvious Dolby Digital
(e) last disc memory for more than one DVD disc at a time

These would be nice, but not necessary:

(a) plays MP3 CD's... and maybe even MP3 DVDs
(b) a five-disc carousel player
(c) SACD / DVD-Audio capable
(d) DIVX and MPEG 1, 2, 3 and 4 processing
(e) JPEG slideshow capability

(6) So far, I'm leaning towards maybe getting the Pioneer DV-588, or the Toshiba SD-5915 (5-disc carousel), or, if I decide to go with an Hi-Def HDMI player, the Pioneer DV-578A or the Toshiba SD-830HD. Anyone have any opinions on any of these DVD players???

I know this is a lot of questions for a "newbie", and most of you will probably just tell me to "read the forum". I know I'm asking a big favor of you guys. But I promise to stick around and be an active member of this forum. I'm also "Bennan" on the brand new The Digital Forum (run by The Digital Bits among other sites) and I'm one of the top posters there. I promise to be active on this board !!!! :D

mynym

03-09-06, 12:54 AM

I've got 2 refurbed 4805s. I noticed today that one of them has some sort of covering behind the plastic grill at the front. It actually reduces some of the light peaking out of the grill.

My other one has no such covering behind the grill.

Anyone familar with this?

I also put them side by side today running the same signal to them. The one with more hours (23) looks slighly brighter than the one that has 4 hours on it. Is there a break in period?

Ja Phule

03-09-06, 01:08 AM

1. There is no point in sending an upscaled image to the 4805 since it is only 854x480 native. It just happens the better dvd players out there happen to be an upscaling player. I have an upscaling Oppo 971 player, but I only send 480p using DVI. DVI and HDMI is technically better than analog component in the fact that the signal from the dvd player stays digital going to the projector, where with component/composite/svideo, it is analog and would require a digital to analog conversion going out of the dvd player and then an additional analog to digital conversion going into the projector. Comparing DVI from my HD cable box and component I see no difference. What's most important on dvd players is its mpeg decoder and how good it shows detail and for progressive players, how good its deinterlacer is for badly flagged movies.

2. Watching an HD version of a movie and comparing it with the DVD, the HD version will kill it. There's more to HD than just its resolution, it holds more color resolution that is still maintained from a downscaled HD image.

3. The Oppo 971 is region free with a few button presses on the remote.

4. Faroudja is the real deal, colorstream pro (and other names used by some players aren't really anything). Depends on what you are referring to. Read my FAQ about deinterlacers (setup and maintenance section).

5 abcd = Oppo, it also plays mp3 cds and dvds along with divx and jpgs slideshow and does dvd-audio.

Read the 4805 FAQ in my signature for other info :)

Ja Phule

03-09-06, 01:19 AM

Bennan

03-09-06, 03:01 AM

Ja Phule,

Thanks a MILLION for your very polite response to my post, and for the link to your 4805 FAQ! I just read through most of it, skimmed some of it that doesn't really apply to me. I have a few more questions for you, if you don't mind! :)

There is no point in sending an upscaled image to the 4805 since it is only 854x480 native. It just happens the better dvd players out there happen to be an upscaling player. I have an upscaling Oppo 971 player, but I only send 480p using DVI. DVI and HDMI is technically better than analog component in the fact that the signal from the dvd player stays digital going to the projector...

(1) Right now, I have my computer plugged into the M1 port on the back of my 4805. If I were to get the Oppo and use the DVI cable to M1 port (with an adapter of course), how could I connect my computer to it, too??? Or is this not possible???

(2) Do they make a long DVI cable??? I would need at least an 8' cable and preferrably more like 12-15' cable because of the distance between my entertainment center and my (ceiling mounted) 4805.

The Oppo 971 is region free with a few button presses on the remote.

A few questions about the Oppo 971's region-free capability:

(3) Are the "few button presses on the remote" a one-time code that you have to enter, or do you have to do it every single time you want to play discs from another region???

(4) Would the "button presses" making it a region-free player work on ANY Oppo 971... like a player purchased at Amazon, for example... or would I have to purchase it from a specialty website???

(5) Have you had any problems with RCE-coded discs???

Faroudja is the real deal, colorstream pro (and other names used by some players aren't really anything). Depends on what you are referring to. Read my FAQ about deinterlacers (setup and maintenance section).

(6) Can you link me to this FAQ??? I can't find it. Still new to this board and I've looked all over for it! Thanks. :o

(7) If I can solve all the questions/issues I have to my satisfaction, I am leaning towards getting the Oppo because of your recommendation! However, assuming I decide AGAINST an upscaling DVI or HDMI dvd player, do you have a recommendation for a good, region-free DVD player with 480p/480i Faroudja processing???

Oppo... also plays mp3 cds and dvds along with divx and jpgs slideshow and does dvd-audio.

(8) How does the Oppo do with DVD-R and DVD+R recorded movies??? (I have a few in my collection and have had major problems with some players skipping and freezing and pixellating... and even locking up... on these discs, and other players that seem to play them just fine.)

(9) Dumb question, but does it have the capability of random play when it is playing the songs from an MP3 CD or DVD??? (I've found this is an exceptionally rare feature on players, but a very nice little bonus when a player can do it.)

Thanks again for all your help, Ja Phule!!! I'll try to think of more questions to bombard you with. :rolleyes:

cavu

03-09-06, 03:47 AM

I have my computer plugged into the M1 port on the back of my 4805. If I were to get the Oppo and use the DVI cable to M1 port (with an adapter of course), how could I connect my computer to it, too???You would need an external DVI switcher or an AV receiver with switching capability.
Do they make a long DVI cable??? Monoprice.com 15' DVI-M1 $12 (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10238&cs_id=1023801&p_id=2501&seq=1&format=2&style=)Can you link me to this FAQ??? I can't find it. Still new to this board and I've looked all over for it!The link is at tbe bottom of Ja Phule's signature and also on the first message in this thread.The Unofficial Infocus ScreenPlay 4805 FAQ (http://japhule.collinsreport.com/4805FAQ/html/index.html) by Ja Phule.I only answered a few of your questions. Ja Phule will respond to your Oppo questions when he wakes up. (I'm not an Oppo fan)

As an option, I personally recommend you also review the last page or two (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7268084&&#post7268084) of messages discussing the Bravo D1 player (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16882680001).

DeerHunter

03-09-06, 08:10 AM

There is not going to be a D3.

Figures. Just got another csr that doesn't know squat!!! ;)

homer1963

03-09-06, 08:13 AM

((6) So far, I'm leaning towards maybe getting the Pioneer DV-588, or the Toshiba SD-5915 (5-disc carousel), or, if I decide to go with an Hi-Def HDMI player, the Pioneer DV-578A or the Toshiba SD-830HD. Anyone have any opinions on any of these DVD players???

I know this is a lot of questions for a "newbie", and most of you will probably just tell me to "read the forum". I know I'm asking a big favor of you guys. But I promise to stick around and be an active member of this forum. I'm also "Bennan" on the brand new The Digital Forum (run by The Digital Bits among other sites) and I'm one of the top posters there. I promise to be active on this board !!!! :D[/QUOTE]

Have you considered the LG 531?

Ja Phule

03-09-06, 10:13 AM

Bennan,
3. Just enter it in once. Region free is one of the main reasons I got the Oppo.
4. It will work on all Oppos.
5. No problems so far.
6. FAQ in my signature
7. I don't know why another choice would HAVE to be a non-upscaling player and only 480i/480p only. Upscaling players can still do 480p. I think the samsung 941 uses faroudja over component (the Oppo does not use faroudja over component) and might be able to be made region free. The 4805 uses its own faroudja deinterlacing, so feed it any good 480i signal (via composite, svideo, or component) and faroudja will process the image. Component 480i would be recommended in this case of course.
8. No problems with any DVDr (+ or -) that I've thrown at it, I believe the Oppo has one of the best loaders. I use quality media and the cheap ones I've thrown at it have had no problems. It will also convert pal to ntsc and ntsc to pal, but I rather have it output pal or ntsc (whatever the source of the disc is) since the 4805 can accept ntsc and pal.
9. I believe there is a shuffle option but I've never tried it.

I just wanted to throw a few things in:
If you want the absolute best picture quality, you want to get a pixel mapping device to the 4805 (such as a pc pixel mapped to 848x480 via dvi or a dvd player like the popular Bravo D1 or Momitsu 880dx that can do 852x480 over DVI).

Right now, my main media playing device is my XBOX (original, not 360). I've recently modded it and I am using it to play pretty much everything. My Oppo comes in use whenever I'm doing critical DVD watching, but I play music (mp3 or online radio), casual dvd watching, pictures slideshows, movie trailers, and other downloaded video content from the xbox as it streams everything over my network from my PC or the internet. If interested, I have more info on that set up here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=635294).

cavu

03-09-06, 11:40 AM

a dvd player like the popular Bravo D1 or Momitsu 880dx that can do 852x480 over DVI854x480 !!

Those extra 960 pixels are important!! ;)

lynzoid

03-09-06, 11:50 AM

Ja Phule

03-09-06, 11:54 AM

Hello All !

Just tried new 132 firmware.

I am shocked. It's sooooo bad =(((((
They totally rewritten in i see and nothing good from it.
LOADS of artifacts on 576i/480i input - unacceptable totally.
Picture lщoks all washed out =(

I am back to 1.0.2
=(((

Did you recalibrate? My presets are still the same but some of the inputs have default to 50 for everything. No issues with the latest firmware here.

lynzoid

03-09-06, 12:08 PM

Surely, all my settings were reseted, and i set them back.

Picture (from Sky+ sat tuner, component, 576i) is all like, unfocused, washed out colors and baaad artifacts on brightness level transitions (like in light-blue sky+ system menu), previously on 1.0.2 artifacts disappeared after pushing Autoimage OR Blankscreen 2-3 times. Now if i do that, color wheel resets but artifacts are still there, in slightly different appearance and taking lots more space on screen.
Overall impression of picture gone from A (1.0.2) to C- (!!! 1.3.2). This is completely objective. Flashed there and back 3 times today just to make sure it ain't my brain playing tricks =)

I do not know what they did with color wheel routines, but it aint worx for me =\
Also my thoughts - many ppl had no picture pulsing issue and they are glad they upped to 1.3.2,
but i HAD pulsing issue on all FWs besides 1.0.2. So maybe i have some different hardware revision unit ?

Anyway, i rekon you struggle to understand what artifacts i am talking about, maybe not. I'll get my camera today and i'll try to photograph 1.102 with artefacts 2.102 after pressing autoimage - no artifacts, 3.132 - same screen picture.

Also, before u ask, i didnt even bother with trying to see 132 changes with HDMI input - i felt soooo let down by infocus after seeing washed out picture from sat. Sat viewing is 80% worktime of my 4805.

I am back on 1.0.2 at the moment and on A quality picture.

Ja Phule

03-09-06, 12:24 PM

lynzoid

03-09-06, 12:53 PM

Mate i am not braindead =)
If it was just settings/brightness/contrast issues i woudve just found new settings already and didnt bother to post 1page post.

Issue is far worse. It's baaad artifacts on picture. And colors seems way different than 1.0.2 too. Even colorwheel sounds waay different now. Perhaps they optimised it for 480i being USA company and all, and havent tested 576i at all... This is very possible with company with history of releasing buggy firmwares.

I'll try to photo it today.

Again, this is OBJECTIVE.

Jack Gilvey

03-09-06, 01:28 PM

But if you are looking for the best DVD image over an SP4805 that is possible, the Bravo is your baby.
I've had a D2 on a shelf forever that I was never able to get a DVI picture from over my 4805 using the InFocus 10M M1-DVI cable, so I went to the Oppo (which is amazing now on the AE900 @ 720p). The 4805 is now at my bro's being fed from a Panasonic XP-30 (no complaints), but I'd love to get the Bravo working for him since I've never really used it (he won't notice a difference, I'm sure). I seem to recall this being an issue...has it been resolved? It's actually the second sample of D2, I sent the first back for no DVI pic but since the second did it I figured it might be a design issue or get resolved via firmware.

Thanks!

jkim5453

03-09-06, 01:28 PM

Some people have stated that they feel the new firmware seems brighter (though I'm guessing either they mean the brightness/contrast defaults may be higher in this firmware than on the other firmwares). So using 50/50 in the old firmware is not the same as 50/50 in the new firmware for brightness/contrast. I'd recommend using different brightness/contrast settings as opposed to the same exact ones you had previously.

Yup. Relative contrast was quite a bit higher than with previous firmware with my setup, which initially gave me the impression that pictures were brighter on 480p and HD signals (of course they were brighter - at the expense of white details!) Had to notch it down quite a bit. For me, I didn't have to readjust 480i settings.

joe

jkim5453

03-09-06, 01:38 PM

I've had a D2 on a shelf forever that I was never able to get a DVI picture from over my 4805 using the InFocus 10M M1-DVI cable, so I went to the Oppo (which is amazing now on the AE900 @ 720p).

...

Does it work with any other DVI source (like a PC with DVI-D out?)

Some users, including myself, have 4805's M1-DVI input go AWOL on us. Mine all of a sudden stopped working a couple of weeks after the refurb warranty expired.

I'm done with refurb PJs! :) The DVI problem, of course, plus the lamp hours resetting spontaneously after first 600 hrs... Come to think of it, I think there was another poster who had both of the same problems with his 4805. I wonder if he returned his and I ended up with his old unit? :D

joe

Alex solomon

03-09-06, 01:39 PM

Jack Gilvey

03-09-06, 01:42 PM

Does it work with any other DVI source (like a PC with DVI-D out?)

Yeah. It worked with the Oppo, and it works now with his PC. I can only track to problem to the D2, but people have it working on theirs it seems.

wes nance

03-09-06, 01:54 PM

cavu, wes and other who have or tired the Bravo D1, is the PQ much better than the Oppo to consider an upgrade from the Oppo to D1? I like the Oppo very much but I find the image not as detailed as I want it to be plus the picture is a little soft for my taste. Any know where I can find a DVI switcher for cheap?

Alex,

I haven't done an in depth comparison, but my first impressions are that the D1 is a clear winner in picture quality. How much better is a subjective opinion- but in this forum, small differences are usually considered significant.

I think I'm going to keep my OPPO for dvd-a, and the reliability while I get to know the Bravo (i'm going to replace a capacitor on the power supply also, which Cavu says is the culprit in all the flaky Bravo D1's) so I might look for a switcher as well for DVI.

All I can say is that I noticed the resolution of the pj more last night, because everything was so clear with the 1:1 pixel mapping. Sitting closer than 1.5x screen width I noticed more screen door, but backing up to the proper viewing distance had incredible detail. The OPPO does seem soft to me in comparison now. But, like Jack says, on a 720p projector where the OPPO is pixel mapping, it's probably hard to beat for the money.

For less than $100, the D1 throws quite a picture on the 4805- I think you should try one, you can always probably get your money back on Ebay if you don't like it. . .

Wes

wes nance

03-09-06, 01:56 PM

Yup. Relative contrast was quite a bit higher than with previous firmware with my setup, which initially gave me the impression that pictures were brighter on 480p and HD signals (of course they were brighter - at the expense of white details!) Had to notch it down quite a bit. For me, I didn't have to readjust 480i settings.

joe

Can we try to confirm with Bob Williams whether anything has really changed in this regard? I'm wondering if the DVI gains/offsets are the same as before, or if there's a change with the new firmware. . .

Wes

jkim5453

03-09-06, 02:13 PM

Can we try to confirm with Bob Williams whether anything has really changed in this regard? I'm wondering if the DVI gains/offsets are the same as before, or if there's a change with the new firmware. . .

Wes

My particular experience was only for component video input. My M1-DVI connection no longer works, so I couldn't see if recalibration was needed for that.

However, this may not apply to everyone. The difference before/after update was simply too obvious even to my untrained eyes - the picture I was getting was definitely not what I became accustomed to during the past few months.

During the first couple of weeks after I got the 4805, I was playing around with 2 different sets of component video connections. At the same contrast setting, the displayed contrast difference between 2 cables looking at the same still picture from the same source under identical viewing conditions was quite extreme. This just tells me that individuals with different equipment/cables will probably have different experiences. If the change in contrast isn't obvious to you after updating the firmware, then it probably changed very little to none for you.

joe

cavu

03-09-06, 02:26 PM

I've had a D2 on a shelf forever that I was never able to get a DVI picture from over my 4805 using the InFocus 10M M1-DVI cableI also have a D2 which doesn't like the InFocus 10m cable but works great on a couple of shorter DVI cables. My D1 (and all D1s that I have modded) works just fine on the longer cable.

Vizio are aware of it and suggest there is a subtle difference in the interface driver chip in the D2 (compared to the D1) and it doesn't make the 15m spec. There will be no fix coming from the manufacturer - as I recall, Sigma Designs wanted $120K to re-engineer the board. :(

So, hoping that it might have different characteristics, I have ordered a 35ft monoprice cable (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10238&cs_id=1023801&p_id=2761&seq=1&format=2&style=) to test.

However, my InFocus-branded 10m cable (http://store.infocus.com/escalate/store/DetailPage?pls=infocus&bc=infocus&pc=SP-M1-10M&tab=desc&clist=017080322b69:017080322b6b&ret=Accessories-Cables+and+Adapters&pls5catname=Accessories-Cables+and+Adapters) is already pulled through and won't be coming out any time soon, so my D1 is permanent. If the mono cable works, I will offer it for sale with my D2.

Alex solomon

03-09-06, 02:30 PM

Thanks wes. Since I have the 4805 I may give this a try and sell my Zenith DVB318 that is sitting here collecting dust.

Jack Gilvey

03-09-06, 02:36 PM

I also have a D2 which doesn't like the InFocus 10m cable but works great on a couple of shorter DVI cables. My D1 (and all D1s that I have modded) works just fine on the longer cable.
Ok, thanks. The InFocus cable is already pulled through the ceiling, and I don't see myself buying another cable just to play, anyway. I'll probably unload the D2 since there's little hope with this cable.

Alex solomon

03-09-06, 02:40 PM

I also have a D2 which doesn't like the InFocus 10m cable but works great on a couple of shorter DVI cables. My D1 (and all D1s that I have modded) works just fine on the longer cable.

InFocus-branded 10m cable[/url] is already pulled through and won't be coming out any time soon, so my D1 is permanent. If the mono cable works, I will offer it for sale with my D2.

So cavu, just to be clear, are you saying the D1 is not giving you any trouble with the Infocus M1 cable but the D2 does? I have this same cable (M1) and I wanted to be sure to know there are no issues with D1 and M1. I am also counting on your help maybe through PM or post here on how to mod the D1.

Ja Phule

03-09-06, 02:42 PM

cavu

03-09-06, 02:45 PM

The InFocus cable is already pulled through the ceiling, and I don't see myself buying another cable just to playI agree its a hassle pulling new cables but the mono is very cheap and actually appears to be a more robust, larger diameter cable, possibly with less capacitance. But then the larger diameter makes the pulling harder! Can't win. :(

I'll let you know how the mono cable works out.

I'm sending you a PM.

cavu

03-09-06, 02:48 PM

are you saying the D1 is not giving you any trouble with the Infocus M1 cable but the D2 does?That's correct. To be clear, it's only the 10m cable - it's a "length" issue - all other Infocus cables/adapters are just fine!I am also counting on your help maybe through PM or post here on how to mod the D1.I look forward to helping.

cavu

03-09-06, 03:22 PM

is the PQ much better than the Oppo to consider an upgrade from the Oppo to D1?I gave my Oppo away when I bought my Bravo D1.Any know where I can find a DVI switcher for cheap?Monoprice has three models (http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=switcher&x=4&y=4). There are many others. Do a froogle search.

wes nance

03-09-06, 04:28 PM

So cavu, just to be clear, are you saying the D1 is not giving you any trouble with the Infocus M1 cable but the D2 does? I have this same cable (M1) and I wanted to be sure to know there are no issues with D1 and M1. I am also counting on your help maybe through PM or post here on how to mod the D1.

Alex,

My D1 to 4805 setup uses the Infocus DVI-M1 10M cable, no problems.

Wes

kadeeu

03-09-06, 05:19 PM

As much as I would like to try out the pixel mapping players like the Bravo, I think I'm gonna have to sit out this time and wait for the next generation of players. Sigma chipsets (used in the bravo/momitsu) seem to be catching on and I'm hoping to see them used more on new players and allow pixel mapping. The new blu-ray player from Pioneer uses a sigma chipset (though, I'm unsure if it will allow pixel mapping) but the capability should be available. I'm hoping Oppo's new player coming out at the end of the year would utilize a sigma chip.

That's a good choice from my perspective. I have a momitsu that I was able to pixel map and compare to a good progressive player (Denon 1600) thru component, and while there was some slight additional detail from the momitsu, it was not nearly enough to make we want to make the momitsu the permanent player for my 4805.

spyder696969

03-09-06, 05:57 PM

That's sort of where I am at. I'm wondering how much better a picture I'd get going up to a Bravo or Oppo from my current player that allows me to adjust the brightness, sharpness, and gamma settings. If it's more than a 50% gain in PQ, it would be worth the extra $130 or so. If it's more like a 20% gain, maybe I'll just wait. Honestly, anything other than HD is starting to just look like crap to me...I watch alot of DiscoveryHD and ESPNHD now, and barely anything else because of the difference.

wes nance

03-09-06, 06:00 PM

Alex solomon

03-09-06, 06:05 PM

It's more like 20%, but it's significant. . .

Remember a D1 is only going to run you $90 or so, not $199. . .

Wes

$90, Where?

wes nance

03-09-06, 06:14 PM

$90, Where?

Look back a page or so:

newegg.com or used on Ebay. . .

therealgeno

03-09-06, 06:21 PM

Can we try to confirm with Bob Williams whether anything has really changed in this regard? I'm wondering if the DVI gains/offsets are the same as before, or if there's a change with the new firmware. . .

Wes

Wes, I was wondering the same thing as far as the DVI gains/offsets. I am going to flash the new firmware this weekend and then pop in DVE reverse grey ramp pattern and verify if the gains/offsets have changed or not.

wes nance

03-09-06, 06:36 PM

Wes, I was wondering the same thing as far as the DVI gains/offsets. I am going to flash the new firmware this weekend and then pop in DVE reverse grey ramp pattern and verify if the gains/offsets have changed or not.

Let me know what you find.

Things looked good to me with the Bravo, but I was wondering if the blacks were slightly crushed, or if it was just the mastering of Star Wars III ROTS. I remember thinking the same thing watching it on DLP in the theater. Maybe it's just a DLP contrast issue. . .

Hughman

03-09-06, 07:08 PM

Wes, I was wondering the same thing as far as the DVI gains/offsets. I am going to flash the new firmware this weekend and then pop in DVE reverse grey ramp pattern and verify if the gains/offsets have changed or not.

I flashed the new firmware a few days ago the, most remarkable difference from other firmware upgrades is I did not lose my settings (ie: did not revert to defaults) but the v1.3.2 firmware is listed in the menu so I trust all is well. While this may not be related to the upgrade upon start-up I noticed a tremendous amount of lamp flicker for the first 20 seconds or so then it disappeared and haven't noticed any flicker since. Flicker wasn't a major problem before the upgrade but regardless four movies without flicker post- upgrade is an improvement.

I see no changes in contrast/brightness (gains or offsets) on my pj post upgrade.

I have noticed there appears to be very slightly less sharpness banding on DVE's resolution sweep when running 480i when sharpness is in the default "standard" position. Going on the exacting science of memory I'm more inclined than not to believe Faroudjas sharpness was tweaked slightly but could be wrong.

As a side note, I squeaked in the discounted D1 yesterday. Been trying to pick-up one of these for the past two months and thanks to a one second timing error on my remote timer my bid was too late (what I get for being a smart-*ss) and as it turns out wes nance remaind highest bidder. However, thanks to Cavu I found a supply yesterday with great pricing.

wes nance

03-09-06, 07:22 PM

As a side note, I squeaked in the discounted D1 yesterday. Been trying to pick-up one of these for the past two months and thanks to a one second timing error on my remote timer my bid was too late (what I get for being a smart-*ss) and as it turns out wes nance remaind highest bidder. However, thanks to Cavu I found a supply yesterday with great pricing.

You stinker! I had the sneaking suspicion someone was going to bid at the wire! But if you got one from newegg, you've got a newer unit for the same price, basically.

Let me know what you think?

Wes

ps I knew I should have waiting longer to bid. . .

aaranddeeman

03-09-06, 07:47 PM

Yeah, it probably won't tell you. I'll bet it uses overlay.

A while back, the consensus was to use the RGB gains/offsets on the 4805 because there are more bits there to drive the panel (since DVI is only 8 bits) - the theory is to eliminate banding this way. Then Bob Williams informed us that the 4805's contrast/brightness operates in 10 bits rather than 8 bits - so it doesn't matter. But still use the RGB gains/offsets because it is harder to mess those numbers up.

On the reverse grey ramp pattern, you want to blend in all the white bars from the three dots over (therefore setting WTW), and you want to blend the black bars from the three dots over (sets BTB). And you will want to stand one foot in front of the screen when you do this. The RGB gains will essentially adjust the white, RGB offsets the black. And you will have to go back and forth.

Sat/hue you will have to use the player, however.

Let us know if you have any more questions!! ;)

OK, here we go again...

Let me summarize what I gathered till now. Please pardon me if I mess up again.

1. Set RGB gains and offsets using reverse grey ramps in DVE. (Now they are three, one each for Red, Blue and Green. How do I co-relate, I mean which needs to be adjusted for what condition.
2. What about the magic number 58/28.5? This will do pretty much what is done by 1 above?
3. For color (Sat/hue) no matter what, adjust player only.
4. Contrast and Brightness setting of player should be zero?

I appreciate your patience in answering my questions.

Thanks,

Hughman

03-09-06, 08:19 PM

You stinker! I had the sneaking suspicion someone was going to bid at the wire! But if you got one from newegg, you've got a newer unit for the same price, basically.

Let me know what you think?

Wes

ps I knew I should have waiting longer to bid. . .

I was kicking myself for making such a blatant stupid mistake but it worked out, the newegg deal quickly soothed my nerves.

I enjoy watching video concerts and I've read video content is not great on this player so it's possible I'll be running two players, one for film and one for video.....have you had a chance to view video content material, if so do you have any quick and dirty impressions?

Ja Phule

03-09-06, 08:28 PM

There's a seller on ubid.com with 50 Bravo D1s available. New with one year warranty (according to their info) for those interested.

cavu

03-09-06, 09:18 PM

There's a seller on ubid.com with 50 Bravo D1s available. New with one year warranty (according to their info) for those interested.I will confirm tomorrow but, once again, I believe these are refurbs, not new, and the warranty is actually 90 days.

Also so many people gave contacted me for information on the PS mod and where to get the parts, I will probably create a webpage for instructions. I also picked up 40 Nichicon high-temp capacitors so I can mail you one if you can't source them locally . Just PM me.

rrhomes

03-09-06, 09:36 PM

I will confirm tomorrow but, once again, I believe these are refurbs, not new, and the warranty is actually 90 days.

Also so many people gave contacted me for information on the PS mod and where to get the parts, I will probably create a webpage for instructions. I also picked up 40 Nichicon high-temp capacitors so I can mail you one if you can't source them locally . Just PM me.

Many props to you, would you recommend changing these items if the D1 is working ok. I'd rather fix it now then wait until it strike in the middle of the night on me. But theres the old saying if it ain't broke don't fix it. But can the D1 be consider broke anyhow because of the cheep PS and capacitor. Also I read on the 4805 FAQ that only 480i and 576i alow for RBG adjustment is this still true or did an update fix it. I might go the D2 route if this is the case I'd just like to have one place to make some small agistments if needed. I would definatly take advantage of a webpage to do the mods but you got to remember it needs to be in laymans terms ie don't assume we know ANYTHING about moding. :)

qposner

03-09-06, 10:01 PM

I have to admit, reading these comments on the D1 has me interested in trying one out. Currently, I am running my Panny DVD-RP62 to the 4805. This Panny was great a few years ago with a faroudja chip set. I am I going to see enough of an improvement to justify buying a the D1?

wes nance

03-09-06, 10:50 PM

I was kicking myself for making such a blatant stupid mistake but it worked out, the newegg deal quickly soothed my nerves.

I enjoy watching video concerts and I've read video content is not great on this player so it's possible I'll be running two players, one for film and one for video.....have you had a chance to view video content material, if so do you have any quick and dirty impressions?

I think for video, you just want to switch back to the built in 852x480 resolution at 60hz.

Ja Phule

03-09-06, 11:00 PM

I ran DVE tonight with the Oppo 220 firmware, with DVE, I ended up with 58/30.5 with the 4805 at 50/50 contrast and film mode. Could there have been a slight increase in brightness with the new firmware.......?

wes nance

03-09-06, 11:20 PM

gprro1

03-10-06, 12:42 AM

Cavu,
Thanks, its folks like you that make up for all the trolls and wackos that float around the net.
I'm definatly getting one.

scottwood2

03-10-06, 09:24 AM

Mntneer

03-10-06, 09:42 AM

Happy happy happy day! :)

Lamp came in last night. Installed it, did some simple calibration changes to reflect the new bulb, and are back in business!

Alex solomon

03-10-06, 10:07 AM

I have been reading some about the Bravo D1 and it seems it has a lot of problems. cavu has mentioned 99% would be solved by changing the PS capacitors. I was wondering if V inc has ever released firmware to address some of the problems form it's earlier days.

appleseed

03-10-06, 10:35 AM

[I am looking to download some HD trailers for my HTPC to play on the 4805 through DVI (Pixel mapped).

Two questions:

- Any thoughts on good sites and content for viewing on the 4805?

- What resolution do you pick for downloading? 1080i seems way higher than I need.

Thx

Here are some you may be interested in. There are some that you can get in both 1080 and 720.

Link (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx)

Here is another site which I think is pretty cool. It has some hi rez images you can d/l to use as background images or whatever. They even have the option to add animation to some of those images which you could use like a screen saver. Kinda neet to watch.

Link #2 (http://www.cognitivedistortion.com/)

jubjub75

03-10-06, 11:55 AM

Happy happy happy day! :)

Lamp came in last night. Installed it, did some simple calibration changes to reflect the new bulb, and are back in business!

I'm jealous. I talked to Infocus, and they aren't expecting any replacment bulbs to be available until the end of this month...this is ridiculous!! The Sopranos starts on Sunday, and I'm not going to be able to watch it on the 85" screen.

I have been thrilled with the projector until this point, but a bulb that blows with less than 1300 hours on it coupled with not being able to get a replacement for 2 months has me more than a little bit steamed...

BretLuke82

03-10-06, 12:28 PM

I am looking to download some HD trailers for my HTPC to play on the 4805 through DVI (Pixel mapped).

Two questions:

- Any thoughts on good sites and content for viewing on the 4805?

- What resolution do you pick for downloading? 1080i seems way higher than I need.

Thx

I actually stumbled onto the trailers section at Apple.com the other night, and found a lot of HD trailers. Worth checking out if you don't mind using the Quicktime Player.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/

They even mark which ones are HD for you !

cavu

03-10-06, 01:54 PM

I was wondering if V inc has ever released firmware to address some of the problems form it's earlier days.I have the latest firmware for the D1 and D2 which I can provide by email in an ISO CD image format.

In my experience, D1s with the power supply mod and new firmware and D2* units with new firmware have never exhibited any problems.The sole exception being that the D2 will not drive the InFocus SP-DVI-10M DVI-M1 cable or the 30ft DVI-HDMI cable from RAM. I have a 35ft monoprice DVI-M1 cable on order to test it, as its electrical characteristics are slightly different. The D2 has no issues with shorter cables!

DeerHunter

03-10-06, 02:34 PM

I have the latest firmware for the D1 and D2 which I can provide by email in an ISO CD image format.

In my experience, D1s with the power supply mod and new firmware and D2* units with new firmware have never exhibited any problems.The sole exception being that the D2 will not drive the InFocus SP-DVI-10M DVI-M1 cable or the 30ft DVI-HDMI cable from RAM. I have a 35ft monoprice DVI-M1 cable on order to test it, as its electrical characteristics are slightly different. The D2 has no issues with shorter cables!

Cavu,

I'm REALLY interested in getting a D1, but what are you saying? I have the infocus 10m DVI-M1 cable. Will it work with a D1?

Also, let me know about the ps mod for the D1 as 'd like to know how difficult it is before I take the plunge. Thanks.

wes nance

03-10-06, 03:14 PM

Cavu,

I'm REALLY interested in getting a D1, but what are you saying? I have the infocus 10m DVI-M1 cable. Will it work with a D1?

Also, let me know about the ps mod for the D1 as 'd like to know how difficult it is before I take the plunge. Thanks.

D1 works fine with the 10m DVI-M1 cable, that's what I have.

Wes

DeerHunter

03-10-06, 05:46 PM

D1 works fine with the 10m DVI-M1 cable, that's what I have.

Wes

Hey Wes,

Do you have the D1? Did you do the ps mod?

wes nance

03-10-06, 06:21 PM

Hey Wes,

Do you have the D1? Did you do the ps mod?

Yes, I have a new (to me) D1. I have not done the ps mod yet, though I've taken the cover off and know what I need to do. Looks pretty straightforward.

The cap in question looks like it's been leaking already. That said, I've got my D1 set up to do 854x480 at 48hz, and it's very impressive, looks like the HTPC (the good ones) screen shots we've seen on the thread.

Last night in a movie I had a little stutter here and there, not sure if it's the disc (old Blockbuster) or the player, but clearly I haven't fixed the ps yet, so that may all change. My unit has the first generation loader (Fuss) for whatever that's worth, but the latest firmware.

Wes

cavu

03-10-06, 06:27 PM

I'm REALLY interested in getting a D1, but what are you saying? I have the infocus 10m DVI-M1 cable. Will it work with a D1?The answer is "yes" but I think it's important that you read the last couple of pages starting here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7268709&&#post7268709) as this and other related stuff has been discussed extensively already over the last few days.
let me know about the ps mod for the D1 as 'd like to know how difficult it is before I take the plunge.For this answer, go back to this message (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7271246&&#post7271246).

Ja Phule

03-10-06, 06:32 PM

I think if I was to get a D1, I'd have it sent to cavu to mod it and send it back to me. That's how lazy I am. ;)

spyder696969

03-10-06, 06:40 PM

I was thinking the same thing! I'm not the most profecient with a soldering gun. Wonder how much he'd charge? :)

cavu

03-10-06, 07:03 PM

I think if I was to get a D1, I'd have it sent to cavu to mod it and send it back to me.I've already agreed to help some people this way and would be happy to do so again. Certainly sending the box is easy but sending the just the power supply board is cheaper. If you can handle a Philips screwdriver, that would be best. Removing and replacing the power supply board is no more difficult than putting a CD-ROM drive in your computer.

To stay within the forum guidelines (I haven't heard from Kysersose lately!! ;) ) I suggest you PM me if you want to do that sort of thing.

Full Disclosure: This is not a business. I am on disability, recovering from a stroke two years ago. I lost my pilot medical and had to give up my business (a flight school with 28 employees and 1300 students). I am extremely tired and sleep much of the day and my memory is very poor. I thoroughly enjoy interacting with other AV fanatics and fiddling with the technology is very good therapy for me. Having the communication in writing helps where my memory fails.

booker21

03-10-06, 07:09 PM

I´m surprise i missed it.

Does the March firmware update the famous Blinking people used to have?...

DeerHunter

03-10-06, 07:18 PM

I´m surprise i missed it.

Does the March firmware update the famous Blinking people used to have?...

Yes!!!

booker21

03-10-06, 07:21 PM

Yes!!!
Awesome!!! :D

I never did update a firmware on the projector, so... this will be my first time ... any recommendation or just download, connect the PC to the projector, turn on the projector and run the Firmware application.... sounds too easy ! :)

Edit: Well readed the instructions and is not that easy... i have 2 questions..
Beside the 4805 File, what other file i have to select?.. since they differe from the explanation... since the instructions are for the X2 projector.

question 2, do i have to do the On the X2 keypad, press and hold both the Keystone Up and Keystone Down buttons on the 4805 when i start up? how i would know if the proector started with correctly or i should retry it?... sometimes when u press the keystone etc, you pressed late and the projector don´t realize it need to be started specially..

thanks for clearing this..

dannypanny

03-10-06, 07:36 PM

Well Cavu?And thanks for sending me the firmware.I'll load it tomarro.

DeerHunter

03-10-06, 08:06 PM

Awesome!!! :D

I never did update a firmware on the projector, so... this will be my first time ... any recommendation or just download, connect the PC to the projector, turn on the projector and run the Firmware application.... sounds too easy ! :)

Edit: Well readed the instructions and is not that easy... i have 2 questions..
Beside the 4805 File, what other file i have to select?.. since they differe from the explanation... since the instructions are for the X2 projector.

question 2, do i have to do the On the X2 keypad, press and hold both the Keystone Up and Keystone Down buttons on the 4805 when i start up? how i would know if the proector started with correctly or i should retry it?... sometimes when u press the keystone etc, you pressed late and the projector don´t realize it need to be started specially..

thanks for clearing this..

Booker,

Click the FLASH USB file and follow the prompts. That'll install the flash usb utility, then you'll be able to establish a connection between your pc & the pj.

spyder696969

03-10-06, 08:07 PM

spyder696969

03-10-06, 08:12 PM

Also, I got to thinking that I need to send thanks for all the other many, many members that have posted either questions I was too embarrassed to ask or those that have assisted me when I dared to show my stupidity. I would list names, but then we'd be forced to come up with "The 3rd Offical 4805 Thread"! ;)

Thanks everybody!

cavu

03-10-06, 08:36 PM

do i have to do the On the X2 keypad, press and hold both the Keystone Up and Keystone Down buttonsThe instructions for the flash utility are very badly written.

Booker, wherever you see the phrase "X2" read it as if it said "SP4805".

That should help! ;)

cavu

03-10-06, 08:56 PM

http://www.oregonlive.com/images/news/oregonian.gif

Inquiries sap InFocus' attention

Finances - New concerns about accounting force the Wilsonville company to delay filing its annual report

Friday, March 10, 2006
TED SICKINGER

The Oregonian (http://www.oregonlive.com/business/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/business/1141962933124450.xml&coll=7)

Financial clouds hanging over InFocus Corp. darkened Thursday as the Wilsonville company announced a delay in filing its annual report because of an investigation into possible accounting problems.

Beset by aggressive competition, the once-dominant supplier of digital projectors is already losing money and market share. While the company is trying to pull off a restructuring and predicts a return to profitability later this year on the strength of product introductions, its managers are saddled with a series of internal investigations at home and abroad.

The financial questions come amid some doubt about the future of the company, the leader of Oregon's small digital-display industry. The company's revenue has fallen 40 percent since its 2000 peak of nearly $900 million in the face of stiff competition in the projector market from consumer electronic giants, such as Sony and Epson, that have invaded InFocus' market.

At the same time, InFocus failed to penetrate the television market, an initiative that it scrapped last fall.

In September, the company employed 670 worldwide, including about 360 in Wilsonville. But as part of its restructuring plan to reduce operating expenses by as much as 25 percent, InFocus has been eliminating jobs, including some senior executive positions.

In July, InFocus disclosed violations of U.S. export law when a foreign subsidiary shipped products to a restricted country. The company hired independent counsel in August to help investigate and says it is working to provide results of its inquiry to the U.S. Department of Treasury's Office of Foreign Assets Control.

Based on preliminary results, the company said Thursday that its ultimate liability would probably be less than the $1.6 million it had booked for the problem as of Dec. 31.

However, InFocus said a review of documents related to the issue has turned up potential problems with the way it recognizes sales, particularly as they relate to inventory held by distributors at the end of reporting periods. The company said it started an investigation into the problems last month and hired independent counsel to assist.

The company also disclosed Thursday that senior managers had received an anonymous communication in January alleging that employees in a Chinese subsidiary had engaged in improper business practices. An initial investigation didn't turn up any basis for the allegations, the company said, but it has turned the matter over to its audit committee and again hired independent counsel to assist a follow-up.

InFocus said it can't predict whether it will be required to restate any financial results as a result of either the inquiry into accounting controls or the potential problems in China. It is unable, however, to meet the March 16 deadline for filing its 2005 annual report with the Securities and Exchange Commission. It predicts the delay will be at least 60 days.

Kyle Ranson, the company's chief executive, said it was InFocus' policy to meet the letter and spirit of all accounting standards. as the investigations unfold, he said, the company will continue restructuring to stay on course for a return to profitability in the second half of 2006. The company lost $79.8 million in 2005 on sales of $532.1 million, down 18 percent from the previous year.

InFocus said it had received an extension until May 31 from its bank, Wells Fargo Foothill, for filing its audited financial statements in connection with its $25 million line of credit.

The company released its news Thursday morning. Its shares, traded on the Nasdaq Stock Market, dropped 26 cents, or 6 percent, to close at $3.88. At their peak on Oct. 2, 2000, shares traded at $58.50.

Ted Sickinger: 503-221-8505; tedsickinger@news.oregonian.com

©2006 The Oregonian

appleseed

03-10-06, 09:26 PM

cavu,

You're the best! I would think that anyone is your situation, and that doing what you're willing to do for AV members could hardly be construed as a "business". I would consider it more of a "favor" considering the nature of the matter, not to mention the fact that you've given out the instructions on how to do it ourselves. You're not soliciting anything at all. You're offering hands-on help for dumb-asses like me that would probably just end up welding the whole unit together, along with the soldering gun, thus making an expensive doorstop. I would fight for you in every way should it ever be a problem, likely along with anyone that's ever read any of your helpful and informative posts. The forum needs more members like yourself. For anyone that's never said it before or anyone that thought it, but didn't write it...THANK YOU!

Here here. I couldnt agree more. :)

I would like to say that those of you that would like to have work done by Cavu, please ask him politely and to have the respect and patience to wait for the work to be done as this is indeed a GREAT favor being done for you. Not to mention lets try not to overwelm the guy with like a 100 D1's all at once. :eek:

In September, the company employed 670 worldwide, including about 360 in Wilsonville. But as part of its restructuring plan to reduce operating expenses by as much as 25 percent, InFocus has been eliminating jobs, including some senior executive positions

Um, Bob ...... you there ... hello ... hello :confused:

In all seriousness, if your reading this, I hope your not seing PINK!

spyder696969

03-10-06, 11:03 PM

Agreed on not sending cavu a ton of work with unreal expectations on time! (Though I was secretly thinking about buying all 50 on that ubid.com thing and asking him to get them all done in one afternoon) ;)

Alex solomon

03-10-06, 11:04 PM

Here here. I couldnt agree more. :)

In all seriousness, if your reading this, I hope your not seing PINK!

Not a chance!!

Alex solomon

03-10-06, 11:07 PM

Clams Canino

03-10-06, 11:41 PM

Full Disclosure: This is not a business. I am on disability, recovering from a stroke two years ago. I lost my pilot medical and had to give up my business (a flight school with 28 employees and 1300 students). I am extremely tired and sleep much of the day and my memory is very poor. I thoroughly enjoy interacting with other AV fanatics and fiddling with the technology is very good therapy for me. Having the communication in writing helps where my memory fails.

Forgive a perhaps lame attempt at levity, but.... I'd trust any stroke victim that can handle a soldering iron on those teeny little PCBoards - to fly my ass anywhere in the world. :) Poor memory... no problem, I'll bring maps. :)

-W

spyder696969

03-11-06, 12:56 AM

I remember being laid up in bed for 4 months before and after they gutted my back and took discs out, then spent the next year teaching my body how to walk again. I kept myself busy in much the same way...tinkering with AV gear and other things, reading up on techologies, etc. It was and still is great therapy on my long road to getting back to as close to normal as I can ever get. I lost my job as well, and it's a difficult and disheartening when something you love doing is taken from you at such a trying time. Cavu, my hat's off to you for having the courage and fortitude to find joy and some solice in aiding others. Best wishes to you and your health.

A word for anyone with back pain...go to the doctor ASAP! Don't be an idiot or try to be heroic like myself. It's a miracle I narrowly avoided being confined to a wheelchair for life. I know this doesn't have anything to do with AV, but if it helps just one person...

onion

03-11-06, 03:07 AM

Hey guys its Onion with my fan update.

After 20 hours of use on low power mode the unit is inaudible from 2.5 feet way. Its even better than my Optoma ep719 which is very quiet.

In high power mode its obviously louder but the problem becomes the smaller fan making all the noise which still isnt bad at all.

booker21

03-11-06, 04:28 AM

Booker,

Click the FLASH USB file and follow the prompts. That'll install the flash usb utility, then you'll be able to establish a connection between your pc & the pj.
Thank you, one more question...

When i have to select the files, insde the Flashusb program, what files i have to select.

only this one ? :

App_InFocus_SP4805_v132.he_

or both i see it on the program?...?

thanks... sorry for newbie question but since this could damage my projector i want to be certain of what i´m doing :)

cavu

03-11-06, 05:07 AM

only this one ? App_InFocus_SP4805_v132.he_Yes.

mrpergo

03-11-06, 07:55 AM

Cavu could you post which capacitor to replace and what to replace it with on the D1 power board.
I think I'll try to get one at Radio Shack.
Thanks for all the help. The picture looks better than my Denon 3800 with the 4805 :)

gentner8

03-11-06, 08:03 AM

Has anybody out there replaced their cooling fan? Mine has been making noise and seems to be getting worse. Do you think I can just pick up a good quality PC fan, or do I have to send it back to Infocus to get the thing serviced. I just dont want to be without projector for a couple of weeks.

mrpergo

03-11-06, 08:19 AM

onion has. He just posted the results 4 posts above yours.
Do a search for onions posts and you'll find what he used.
I think he did it about a month ago.

booker21

03-11-06, 08:47 AM

Yes.
Thank you, really! :)

Alex solomon

03-11-06, 09:09 AM

Thanks for all the help. The picture looks better than my Denon 3800 with the 4805 :)

Do you have a link for that screen shot?

mrpergo

03-11-06, 09:34 AM

Alex my screen shot picture taking skills have much to be desired.
They are never razor sharp like the picture I'm looking at.
I showed some screen shots I took when I first set the projector up to some friends and I got that look . Kinda like when you show someone a picture of an ugly baby and they say oh how cute she is :eek:
but I'll try once I change out this capacitor.

kirtis_mcleskey

03-11-06, 10:42 AM

gentner8

03-11-06, 10:54 AM

well my projector is already suppossed to be back on monday according to ups,

that means that its only going to be 8 days turn around

they fixed it fast

they told me that it had a malfunctioning colorhweel , is what wasx causing the no9ise and that it had been fixed

i thought they replaced bad parts w ith new ones ?

So is this what makes the whining sound when it starts up for the first minute or two? I thought it was the cooling fan since I did not notice any picture problems. What was your total out of pocket cost to get yours repaired?

booker21

03-11-06, 11:01 AM

The instructions for the flash utility are very badly written.

Booker, wherever you see the phrase "X2" read it as if it said "SP4805".

That should help! ;)
Well it didn´t work..what i´m doing wrong?

What i did was connect the Pj to my PC via USB cable, i didn´t plug the video cable since it say it don´t matter.

So i ran the Flashusb... selected the file App_InFocus_SP4805_v132.he_ then i turned on the projecto but nothing.. it don´t say connected at all.

On the Instructions it say i have to hold the Keystone up and down while turning the projector On, but i don´t have those button on my Remote..

Help :)

mrpergo

03-11-06, 11:09 AM

you have to hold those 2 buttons on the projector itself.

booker21

03-11-06, 11:15 AM

you have to hold those 2 buttons on the projector itself.
OPS!... lol... i though it was the remote... sorry!.. ok, I´m going to try it in a 20 min since i just turn the projector off...

scottwood2

03-11-06, 11:15 AM

I actually stumbled onto the trailers section at Apple.com the other night, and found a lot of HD trailers. Worth checking out if you don't mind using the Quicktime Player.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/

They even mark which ones are HD for you !

thanks to you and Appleseed for the reply.

Has anyone compared the difference between the 720 and 1080 download formats? Jsut wondering if you can really see any difference between the two on this projector?

Thx again

booker21

03-11-06, 11:58 AM

Percuvius

03-11-06, 12:18 PM

I just passed 3,000 hours and the next time I started the PJ I got the blinking red light. I'm running the original firmware so it won't allow me to strike the lamp. The lamp is rated for up to 4,000 hours though, so should I reset it and buy a new lamp next month? Or spend the money now?

Update: I reset the timer and the lamp came on!

booker21

03-11-06, 01:12 PM

well i did the upgrade, unfortunly i find the PQ worst.

Basically i feel the PQ loose sharpness.. it is all a lot more blury... I had the 1st release of the firmware and honeslty i don´t quite saw any reason to upgrade the firmware so far.

Does anyone notice this?... the picture quality more blury?.. It is not very evident on movies but when i play games is really obvious...

I´m going to stay with this firmware for a while to see if i can get used to it, but if i can, i can rollback to the original firmware?.. coz i didn´t find it on infocus´website.
Well, i reverted back to 1.02 and now is the same PQ i used to have... is weird but my projector don´t like the 1.32 firmware.

What i have that is annying is random lamp flickers... i guess i should use the projector on High mode for a movie or two but i felt lazy, since sometimes they go away in a min...

any idea or recommendation about it?.. could be the projector instead of the lamp? i ask this coz i´m still under warranty.

therealgeno

03-11-06, 01:28 PM

OK, here we go again...

Let me summarize what I gathered till now. Please pardon me if I mess up again.

1. Set RGB gains and offsets using reverse grey ramps in DVE. (Now they are three, one each for Red, Blue and Green. How do I co-relate, I mean which needs to be adjusted for what condition.
2. What about the magic number 58/28.5? This will do pretty much what is done by 1 above?
3. For color (Sat/hue) no matter what, adjust player only.
4. Contrast and Brightness setting of player should be zero?

I appreciate your patience in answering my questions.

Thanks,

1. You want to set each of the gains to the same number and each of the offsets to the same number - hence your greyscale will stay the same.

2. Well, it depends. If you are running overlay, then theoretically you should not have to change anything. If vmr9, then you will have to restrict black and white levels to within range of 16-235 from 0-255. Again, this is why ZP and TT are so valuable - you know right where you are and can switch back and forth depending on taste. And the standard now is vmr9 anyway.

The easiest way to do this is with the reverse grey ramp pattern. Start by standing a foot away from the screen with remote in hand. You will want all the white boxes to the right of the three dots to "just" blend together (including the box with the three dots above it). So, if they are already blended together, then lower the gains in tandem until they appear different shades. Then slightly increase in tandem until they just blend together.

If they are different shades, then slowly raise in tandem until they just blend together - this is where the famous 58 RGB gains comes from.

For offsets, same thing. Just remember that gains affect offsets and vice versa, so you will have to go back and forth until they are perfect.

3. Yes, because over 480p, the 4805's sat/hue are unavailable.

4. Yes.

We'll get ya squared away. ;)

penticton102

03-11-06, 02:25 PM

Bill Blakeman

03-11-06, 03:19 PM

Adamesq

03-11-06, 03:26 PM

Did anyone here purchase their 4805 at Sam's Club? My rebate got denied because infocus said that they are not an eligible business to buy from for the rebate. Their form states costco and staples as ineligible. There is no mention of Sam's Club. Do you think I have a legitimate bitch? Later.

Depends on the wording of the rebate. There might be something in there that generally exludes such stores. I thought that the rebates show that they are usually for authorized dealers. If not - if the only exclusions are particular stores...sounds like a good gripe. Additionally, if Sam's represented that the product had a rebate - you might want to have a nice talk with Sam's.

cavu

03-11-06, 03:27 PM

I've typed this and mentioned it on the phone so many times its probably important to post it for those that don't contact me:

When replacing C1022 (1000uf @ 16v) and any other necessary cap, use a replacement with a higher rated voltage - I use 35v or 50v (http://www.thesourcecc.com/images/Online/27/2729014l.jpg).

If the replacement part is physically larger than the original: Carefully bend the leads at 90 degrees (http://www.flying-colors.org/cap.jpg) making sure they don't "short" together or touch any other component and set the replacement on its side tight to the board. In that instance, you should probably slide a bit of "spaghetti insulation" or heat shrink (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?parentPage=search&cp=&productId=2102875&kw=heat+shrink&tab=summary) (or use some plastic insulation stripped off a piece of small solid core wire) over the exposed leads of the new part. Then get a piece of foam the size of your little finger nail and squeeze it between the cap and the components below to prevent vibration. (The PS is a HF unit and you don't want the cap to physically vibrate.)

Also note that some of the other components are cemented to the board and that is not cap leakage.

Try not to remove the DC connectors as they are often glued in place too. Just pull out the two AC plugs and flip the board over on top on the loader to work on it.

CAUTION. Make sure you observe that the polarity of the replacement matches the original part!!!!

cptpike

03-11-06, 03:42 PM

cavu

03-11-06, 03:55 PM

I don't understand why infocus makes you register to get the firmware.It's a great way of locating the $20M shipment of SP4805s stolen from the Chicago warehouse last winter.

If someone is reluctant to provide their serial number, it raises flags for me!!

cptpike

03-11-06, 04:02 PM

Well, I am by all means not reluctant to give the serial number. What I am reluctant to do is take down my ceiling mounted projector to get to it. I know it was my own fault for not writing it down and or registering after I purchased it. I have purchased LOTS! of computer / AV equipment and this is the first time I've had to register to get a firmware download. Anyway, so I guess that's a no from you then cavu?

cavu

03-11-06, 04:04 PM

The lamp is rated for up to 4,000 hours The lamp is rated at 3,000hrs (http://store.infocus.com/escalate/store/DetailPage?pls=infocus&bc=infocus&pc=SP-4805&clist=0dbb50001403e0&ret=Projectors-Home%20Theater&pls5catname=Projectors-Home%20Theater&tab=spec).

cptpike

03-11-06, 04:11 PM

Another complaint while I'm at it. I just stood on the top of a six foot ladder, holding a mirror and a flashlight, to see if I could read my serial number. Thanks to our brilliant friends at infocus, one of the mounting holes is near the serial. So, my mount partial blocks it. I love the projector but hate the seemingly stupid problems.

cavu

03-11-06, 04:16 PM

so I guess that's a no from you then cavu?Its already been posted in this thread.

krasmuzik

03-11-06, 04:30 PM

Purchase from unauthorized dealers are not eligible for rebates or firmware downloads. Welcome to Infocus unauthorized dealer tracing system! I suggest you go back to your dealer with your concerns...

You get what you pay for....

authorized dealer lists are on the Infocus SP4805 page - there are only a dozen authorized online dealers. Enter your zip code for the local dealer list.

As far as mounts go - why is it so hard to unscrew and remount? Most commercial mounts have easy removal and replacement without screwing up the install. I guess if you have your projector nailed to the ceiling it could be a problem - but even a DIY mount can be designed for easy removal...

therealgeno

03-11-06, 04:46 PM

I want to download the new firmware but, my projector is ceiling mounted. I know I should have written down the serial before mounting. Can someone post it somewhere that I can download? I don't understand why infocus makes you register to get the firmware. It's not like it's the cure to cancer or something.

For those of you who want to find the firmware elsewhere, go here. (http://www.badongo.com/file.php?file=4805+1.3.2+firmware__2006-03-04_4805v132.exe)

Ja Phule

03-11-06, 04:51 PM

well i did the upgrade, unfortunly i find the PQ worst.

Basically i feel the PQ loose sharpness.. it is all a lot more blury... I had the 1st release of the firmware and honeslty i don´t quite saw any reason to upgrade the firmware so far.

Does anyone notice this?... the picture quality more blury?.. It is not very evident on movies but when i play games is really obvious...

I´m going to stay with this firmware for a while to see if i can get used to it, but if i can, i can rollback to the original firmware?.. coz i didn´t find it on infocus´website.

Are you playing games at 480i or 480p? You may want to check the picture settings to see if anything has changed and if its 480i, try playing around with the advanced picture options.

tradewinds

03-11-06, 04:52 PM

Finally, 100 pages on the 2nd Official Infocus 4805 Thread. Congrats everyone, once more, lots of very useful information.

Anyway, I am not sure what is going on but I too have not been happy with the PQ of the new firmware. I have not reverted back yet, but since others have seen the PQ difference also, I am wondering if there is something we need to reset since others do not see a difference.

cptpike

03-11-06, 05:58 PM

Clams Canino

03-11-06, 06:11 PM

Thanks. but I purchased from an authorized dealer. And as far as mounts go - it does seem like a hassle to unmount the projector when I should just be able download the firmware. Again, I know it's my own fault for not writing it down before installing. A lesson learned I guess.

OK, then your serial number is printed on the sticker on the box. Dealers give you the box. You're all set now. :)

-W

penticton102

03-11-06, 06:31 PM

cptpike

03-11-06, 06:33 PM

Holy crap, I didn't even think to look at the box. Well I guess I can register now. Thanks, btw, for posting the firmware. I already made the upgrade. I'm not 100% sure if I like the changes.

On another note, I've noticed an increasing amount of "attitude" on this forum. I'm not trying to start a flame war but, this is a community. Maybe some of us should get off of our high horses.

booker21

03-11-06, 06:41 PM

Are you playing games at 480i or 480p? You may want to check the picture settings to see if anything has changed and if its 480i, try playing around with the advanced picture options.
Ja Phule,
I´m playing games at 480p, i have the setting on the XBMC but the whole thing looks blury in comparison with 102.

Since i play on 480p i don´t have the option to change sharpness... but is definatly something my firmware did, i searched on all options available and nothing... the picture was more blury... it was very noticable on games like i said... i´m not sure what could be wrong, i would love to have the latest firmware but for me it´s seems to break more stuff than fix them.

Maybe in the future i´ll try to upgrade it again, maybe it was a bad upgrade... i don´t know.. i can´t tell what´s wrong.

For now i´m going to keep the 102 firmware.. besides i don´t know if 132 fix something that i could care about.... the auto image button is not big deal and i never experience any other problem with it beside the Lamp flickering, but that is not a firmware problem, it seems more of a lamp problem instead...
or a projector, if is worst.

booker21

03-11-06, 06:56 PM

Hello All !

Just tried new 132 firmware.

I am shocked. It's sooooo bad =(((((
They totally rewritten in i see and nothing good from it.
LOADS of artifacts on 576i/480i input - unacceptable totally.
Picture lщoks all washed out =(

I am back to 1.0.2
=(((
Well, i´m not alone...

I find the 132 picture a lot worst than 102, basically the Picture Sharpness... it was really blury compared to 132. This make the picture looks washed out...

i tried on 480i and 480p, on 480i i didn´t notice as bad as 480p.

It was all blury, so blury that i almost got none Jaggies :)... but was too much.. i had to go back to 102.

I guess we are the minority here...

Oh this is the only downside i found, i didn´t have any aritifacts or nothing, only when the picture was setting the image the first few secs, then it correct this. But the Sharpness was enough to make me go back to 102

Bennan

03-11-06, 07:51 PM

Have you considered the LG 531?

Actually, I'm on a website right now that sells region-free DVD players... and they have the LG 418 and the LG 511 (for $20 more than the 418, and I can't see any difference between the two players).

Does anyone here have any suggestions / comments / reviews of LG in general, or the 531, 511 or 418 specifically??? I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say about them. I must admit I've never even heard of the brandname. Still a newbie.

In particular, I'm interested in these players because the website I'm on claims that, "This is one of the few players that will upconvert through the component output to 1080i or 720p." You see, I'm already using my M1 port for my computer. I don't have a LOT of money to spend on a DVD player upgrade... and to get a DVD player that uses DVI or HDMI for the higher-quality image forces me to get a $50-70 adapter, a $20-30 cable, and either a switching device ($??) or a receiver capable of handling at least two DVI/HDMI inputs and one ouput (another $300-1,000 at least).

Do you think the upconverted 1080i or 720p image sent over the component cable would work??? Anyone have any opinion on these players??? Thanks for your help. :D