I just thought it would be interesting to have a list of who owns NEC projectors, what equipment they run with it and how long they have had them.

I actually have four 9pgs , one for parts, and three others with varying degrees of tube life left. I am looking to build or get a HTPC as I have only had the projectors for about two months. I have an * foot motorized screen set for 4x3 viewing mainly from Sat Dish right now. Always on the lookout for a set of mint tubes.

I am in Western NY south of Buffalo and Rochester.

Hi, I think you'll find quite a few NEC projector owners around here, I being the most recent one. :)

Anyway, my setup isn't quite fullfilled, still building my HT. I also plan on using Moome's DVI/Component external box also to switch sources for HD and dvd playback. I just got it last week from a local AVS Forum guy.

NEC 10PG
2.35:1 scope screen
Hughes HR10-250
Oppo DV971H

Wow, scope - sweet setup. I pale in comparrison.

I have a 6 PG+. Actually, I'm leasing with an option to buy.

I'm looking forward to getting a new cap (thanks, Ricardo and Marc) to remove the keystone buzz. I just switched from floor mount to ceiling, so I'm having to re-learn setup and convergence. This is my first CRT, which I got a little over a year ago.

I just added it up, and it's a pretty sweet pic for a setup that cost me $998. That doesn't include, of course, all of the free advice that has made this possible.

NEC 6100
Samsung 360
Da-lite video spectra 80" x 45"
Free OTA HD (thru 2 antennas)

NEC XG135LC, Faroudja NRS, Sony DVP7000, Sony DirecTivo, Da-Lite 45*80 screen. I've had the NEC for about 4 years.

XG852 -- one of a set of 5 that Curt Palme and I bought from a sports bar in Denver. I did the heavy lifting so I got the pick of the litter. :) It's had some major "challenges" but it still throws a pretty nice picture. Feeding it with a Momitsu v880N, and occasionally Dish HDTV.

NEC 10PG, HTPC, 161" curved silver screen, black velvet windowless basement theater, a 9PG as a test bed just in case the 10PG goes down.

Deron.

1. XG-751 256 hours, new toy :)

2. 6 PG Xtra 6200(A), on ceiling, good tubes.

3. 6 PG Xtra 6200, backup, video games tubes, missing a few bits.

And sold in the last month to mates (it was getting RIDICULOUS). The infection is spreading.

4. 6 PG Xtra 6200(A), good tubes.

5. 6 PG Xtra 6200, backup from my mate's Xtra, video games tubes but complete and working.

Casually looking for another, of course ;)

I'm on my fifth PGXtra, this one being a real keeper. Mint tubes, probably less than 1000 hours. Still working out an issue with the red tube cutoff, but once that's fixed it should be golden!!

Also added Moome's transcoder/dvi stripper and although I only tested the component function, it appears to be a very nice piece of hardware. Looking forward to HD-DVD or Blu-ray....don't really care which.

Ben

Hi, here one of Spain. I have a XG75.

In Spain are one XG 1100 too.

I have an NEC XG 135 in great shape! here from France ;)

I also own an NEC (6PG Xtra). It aint hooked up to nuttin though, cause it's on the floor in my shop. a customer gave it to me 6 years ago when he purchased a Marquee 8000.

The 6PG Xtra is probably the most underrated projector ever manufactured. Definitely my second choice for an 8" CRT.

I have a XG852 mounted, driven by a Sony DVP-NS7000 DVD player thru a Rock+ video processor, shooting an image at 100" wide (107" diagonal) 1.3 gain Stewart StudioTek microperf screen. I also have a XG-751 for backup purposes and a Lumagen scaler on the side in case the Rock dies (again). The XG was setup by Doug Baisey himself.

Sound system is a Denon AVR-3803 receiver driving Polk RTi55s behind the screen and HK Citation surrounds. Backup sound system (actually my primary audio) is a Sony TA-F808ES high current amp (drives loads down to 2 ohms) and Sony SS-M9 floor standing monitors and Polk LSi15 floor speakers.

I am planning to overhauling the system to a Marantz VP12S3 projector which I bought eons ago and it's still sitting in the box in the corner. The sound system will be upgraded to an Arcam AVR300 setup next year.

Let's see.....

A PG9 on the ceiling because it runs fine and I have been too lazy to change it....
4 PG9plus with usable but not perfect tubes...
1 PG9Xtra with absolutely pristine tubes except the little CH2 burned into a corner.... (*&%() No, I can't avoid it with 16:9.
1 Runco 980 ultra with good tubes that I plan to hang.... Hoping to do an LC mod to it first.

And 3 brand new FACTORY NEC PG/PGplus tubes still in the box! :D

The PG9 is mated with a Silverstar 110" diagonal 16:9 screen.

Everything is driven through an ISS-6010 switcher, Petr's transcoder, (soon to add Moome's card to be made for the ISS) My trusty Momo 880, HD from an RCA DTC-100 box....
And so on. Nothing fancy, all done on a budget. But I'm happy with it.

Add to the hobby pile 2 sony 1030's and a 1031 to be heavily modified. Also a Sony 722 to play with. And (ghasp!) a couple of LCD's in the closet.

Always looking for yet another projector. I have no idea WHY.

Marc

I just thought it would be interesting to have a list of who owns NEC projectors, what equipment they run with it and how long they have had them.
I am in Western NY south of Buffalo and Rochester.

Well worn NEC XG 110 here - in storage.
Its been replaced by an Optoma H78DC3 which I am very pleased with.
May sell the NEC, may hold on to it to see if values ever rise again.

XG-110 with OK tubes, and a spare XG-110 with 9+ tubes in the closet for spares minus the chassis, HTPC and 110" homemade screen. Also an empty PG+ chassis, that I am about to get rid of as I stripped it bare.

XG-852 with original NEC tubes about 4700 Hrs and still looking good.
I Will have to start thinking of new tubes hoping the VDC will be ok.
By The way I do have a question I still have the original box It has a section that says model number the section that says XG-852 is check off then there are two other sections that say XG-852G and XG-852J. Does anyone know what the letters in the end mean.

Mine is also a XG-1352.

Newbie 9PG Xtra owner here. <500 hours on the unit, pristine tubes other than very slight wear on the green, just got it up and running last night, my first attempt on a from-scratch setup. Still need to fine tune geometry, convergence, and astig on red CRT, but it's watchable now and looking great!

Running Comcast HDTV + Pioneer DV-59AVi through a Lumagen VisionHDP scaling to 720P on a Da-Lite motorized 80" wide 16:9 screen.

Those who say setting up NEC CRTs is hard has never done a Zenith. ;)

Major NEC freak here! :D

Currently an XG135 on the ceiling

10PG going up in a month or so(perfect unit, OH....and also THE most under rated 9"er on the planet :)

Perfect 6PG with HD-144 lenses going to a bud.....

Had probably 50 or more NEC's pass through here to find new homes and enlighten curious HT'ers wanting to do up a room!

Drew

10 PG -- floor mount
HD LEEZA
-- SDI DVD deck -- run at 960 P
-- SAMSUNG SIR-T165 -- run at 720 P
Da Lite 1.3 gain 52 x 92
-- 17 foot viewing distance

THE QUESTIONS
-- How much are replacement tubes presently . . ,
-- What tubes are interchangeable
------ of those which are the best

AND
when do we get to the point when we'll want to worry
about still being able to get them??

10pg (runco 990) completely fried - worth fixing?

9PG+ in my theatre. A spare 6PG+ for parts.

Willie

XG-852 with original NEC tubes about 4700 Hrs and still looking good.
I Will have to start thinking of new tubes hoping the VDC will be ok.
By The way I do have a question I still have the original box It has a section that says model number the section that says XG-852 is check off then there are two other sections that say XG-852G and XG-852J. Does anyone know what the letters in the end mean.

I'd say G = germany, 220v and J = Japan.

Marc

10pg (runco 990) completely fried - worth fixing?

Uhh..... YES!!! It's a 9" machine... and a good one. PM me if you don't want it. I'll wait YEARS for some tubes if I have to. :D

Marc

Plain vanilla 6PG. I have only owned this for a short while and I'm still learning but it gets a little better each time I mess with it. It has a green tube with heavy wear but I have a new one ready to go once I get more comfortable working inside the machine. Don't have much time lately for tweaking and setup.

6pg xtra with new tubes
crystal image vs4 scaler
panasonic directv receiver for hidef
panasonic rp91 for movies

I also own an NEC (6PG Xtra). It aint hooked up to nuttin though, cause it's on the floor in my shop. a customer gave it to me 6 years ago when he purchased a Marquee 8000.

The 6PG Xtra is probably the most underrated projector ever manufactured. Definitely my second choice for an 8" CRT.


So get that baby off the floor and start modding it man!

XG135LC With new NEC tubes, HTPC(P4/2.6, Radeon, H3d, FFdshow, Xcard, MYHD-130), Moome's Component-DVI input card, Dalite Screen 120" (4:3) tensioned Cinemavision (1:3 gain). Going on 3 years with this setup; Biggest problem? Dalite screen becomes sticky with age, PM me if you want a fix for it that works...Scott

9PG plain jane with sexy black paintjob thanks to Ericglo. Running HTPC with recorded HDTV transport streams and DVD's but I haven't played with upsampling or filtering yet. I'm running 1280x720-72 progressive on the floor for now but with ceiling mounting in the very near future. Screen is 84x47.25 blackout cloth and picture is awesome but apparent contrast is crappy due to white ceiling and glossy brown walls (rental house, argh!). It's amazing that an image this good can be had for less than $800 invested! :cool:

This thread is boring... how bout a pic? OK!
http://www.arkansasmud.com/misc/happy9pg_crop.jpg

I also own an NEC (6PG Xtra). It aint hooked up to nuttin though, cause it's on the floor in my shop. a customer gave it to me 6 years ago when he purchased a Marquee 8000.

The 6PG Xtra is probably the most underrated projector ever manufactured. Definitely my second choice for an 8" CRT.Similarly, I'm technically still a NEC owner 3 times over.

I still have a DP1200, a 6200PG Xtra, and a 9PG.

I also had another 6PG, which is now dropzone's (5 posts above). Before he picked it up, I was seeking a better G tube for it. Instead, I found a 6PGX, but it also had some wear. I'm impressed with the nice picture and colors even with worn tubes, but I was was too lazy to do a proper setup without Point, so I searched for a point card.

I found a 9PG instead, only to be told afterwards that the 9PG point card is incompatible with the Xtra :( . So the 9PG will stay in a friend's garage until I get around to finding a home for it.

Sounds like you guys are pretty stocked on spares, but I'll list all 3 of these in the For Sale forum just in case.

On my fourth & possibly fifth NEC XG's...the one on my ceiling is a 1352 with excellent tubes.
May be getting a pristine 110LC in a week or two.

Lumagen HDP Visionpro
Denon 3910 with SDI mod by Lumagen
Directv H-10...Hope to go with Dish network as soon as they get NFL package.

A PG 9+ and an XG 110LC. The 9 has good tubes and the 110 has toasted tubes. If only it was the other way around.:)

Ericglo

9PG with around 8500 hours in the chassis and about 70 hours on a new set of tubes.

I fitted the tubes with the projector still on the ceiling!!

Currently using a Runco PFP7 set to 720p on a 4:3 100" screen. My main input device is a modded Xbox for divx & mpegs. I use a pioneer DVD player for DVD's.

I'm also building a HTPC with DVB-S & DVB-T cards in it. If I can make it user friendly enough I will replace the scaler with it.

I've got some work in Singapore coming up so I will have to make a purchase while I'm there :)

still build hometheater but here it goes...

10pg, dvdo vp30 scaler, denon 1910 dvd, comcast hd dvr, athlon htpc for music and videos. will be running a 110" vutec brightwhite screen. using my mitsubishi 55 in diamond tv right now.

can't wait to setup my projector and enjoy :)

6PG-Xtra with around 850 hours on the tubes and chassi. I am however struggling with the white balance procedure, hopefully I'll be able to watch a movie or two in a not too distant future. :)

I own an XG135LC (XG1352 Model), trying to repair it right now. Hope to find a solution, as I am away from home and I don't expect to return before the end of January or middle of February

Just a side note . . .if someone is in Western NY or Western PA that could use help on setting up their PG unit I could probably help get it 80% of the way. You can feel free to contact me. This would be a pay with kindness deal or pay it forward (would this count for that ). . .I am also willing to sell one of my 9pgs to a good home and help setup.

In chronological order:

1) PG-6000 - mint (my first PJ in August 2004)
2) PG-6200 - currently on the ceiling after tube swap
3) XG-750 - donor green for the above. U/S LVPSU now fixed.
4) PG-9000 - light green wear
5) PG-6000 - no visible wear
6) PG-6000 - very slight green wear
7) PG-6000 - no visible wear
8) PG-6200 - backup and spares machine

I really ought to thin this list out, but having four identical low hour near mint PG6s tempts me to save them for a proper quad blended stack just for the heck of it.:D

IF anyone ever perfects the edge blending technique….

Another XG-1352 fed by a Holo3D II Card and Sony CXP-777ES DVD player and DirecTV H-10 HDTV receiver projecting ontoa Stewart StudioTek 130 screen.

Mint 10pg fed by HDLeeza for 1080P with HD and 1440X960 for sdi dvd on an 96" torus with wonderful help from Tse's gamma magic.

What is the perceivable performance jump from a 9pg to 6/9PG+ and a 9pg to a 6/9PG extra and then to a 10PG? Looking to see where I might go from here with the next real jump in price/performance.

9 PGXtra, Lexicon RT-20, Lumagen HDP.

I've got a XG110 AC sitting in the basement waiting for its screen :).

extremely low hour 10PG (less than 1500 hours), TAW Rock Pro scaler, Panny sdi modded dvd player. HD via Comcast, Sony OTA stb, and JVC DVHS. Projecting onto a 9 foot wide Dalite screen at 960p. Audio is via a Lexicom MC12.

Tinman,
How is the SilverStar screen with a crt projector?

Steve

What is the perceivable performance jump from a 9pg to 6/9PG+ and a 9pg to a 6/9PG extra and then to a 10PG? Looking to see where I might go from here with the next real jump in price/performance.

Just the basics:

PG6/9 800lumens, base model. Great image, but hardest to set up to GET that image. Can look exactly like a PGplus, but you have to work for it.

PG6/9Plus 800lumens AND Electronic Astig and extra convergence capability. Same image but much easier to get there due to the extra features. A little sharper due to edge/corner astig function.

PG6/9 Xtra 1000 lumens, different CRT's, same basic functions, maybe sharper than a plus, Close to an XG. Highest scan rates and video bandwidth. Same basic setup as a plus.

PG10 same basic chassis as a PG6/9 except with 9" LC tubes. I'll take one in less than a heartbeat. No edge/corner astig/focus. But who cares!!! Properly set up, it makes no real difference. Probably the most underrated 9" out there.


Marc

So in practical, real world application (as opposed to specs on paper) would I really need to jump to a 10pg to see an appreciable performance increase? Marc, as I see it from what you wrote, I can get to the same picture as a plus so it is a choice between a xtra and a 10 pg. Is there an easy way to categorize the practical performance increases?



Just the basics:

PG6/9 800lumens, base model. Great image, but hardest to set up to GET that image. Can look exactly like a PGplus, but you have to work for it.

PG6/9 800lumens AND Electronic Astig and extra convergence capability. Same image but much easier to get there due to the extra features. A little sharper due to edge/corner astig function.

PG6/9 Xtra 1000 lumens, different CRT's, same basic functions, maybe sharper than a plus, Close to an XG. Highest scan rates and video bandwidth. Same basic setup as a plus.

PG10 same basic chassis as a PG6/9 except with 9" LC tubes. I'll take one in less than a heartbeat. No edge/corner astig/focus. But who cares!!! Properly set up, it makes no real difference. Probably the most underrated 9" out there.


Marc

Marc - you missed the "Plus" from your post.

So I did. Thanks for catching that. Fixed.

Marc

An XG135lc high floor mount with a High power 92" wide 16/9 screen
Modded Momitsu 880 at 720p
The best 8" IMO with the best color palete bar none
All the work it took to get it dialed in... It's never going to move out until it melts or something.

2- 6pg+'s with H145n's in closet waiting for a buyer...

David

Hi,

I am new to the big screen HT game ... I have been running a 29" direct view CRT for years with my 5.1 system ...

I JUST picked up a rather nice PG-6 off a friend of mine who was suffering from a negative WAF ... I have no WAF to worry about so the dining room is being converted :)

So now comes the fun .... getting it up and tweaked. I had my other purchase (a Barco Data 500) up and running in about 1/2 hour (roughed in with an OK image for SD) but then I have been working with Barco's for 16 years

The learning curve on the NEC is going to be higher i suspect ... plus I am a bit of a perfectionist ... Tomorrow I start the initial Mechanical setup ... Thanks Curt P for you Web-page setup guides !!!!

I plan to grab a damaged Draper/Screenworks FP matt surface and cut it down and make a screen.

I will probably be running a HTPC and / or a upconverting DVD player as a sources. However If I can grab a Faroudja LD-100 from work cheap enough that may be the initial source till everything else is tweaked.


Cheers

Moose

I just bought a used (but rather good condition) NEC PG6200 (PG6-xtra). I'm taking the lenses off tonight to check out the condition of the tubes, but for $200 I couldn't pass up the unit. :D

It's my first CRT (first projector actually). Should be a fun learning experience I'm sure...

I'm in the process of building my theater room (converting portion of basement). I'm planning on a 10' wide 2:35:1 screen (constant height setup).

Now to convince my wife that we need a Lumagen HDP... :)

Well, that settles it then. The NEC is so good, that even God uses one. :rolleyes:

Uh.... welcome to the forum?? :D

Marc

I'm in the process of building my theater room (converting portion of basement). I'm planning on a 10' wide 2:35:1 screen (constant height setup).

Although it can be done, CRTs are definately not the best choice for a constant height set up. There are no anamorphic lenses.

Using a 10' wide 2.35:1 constant height set up is going to:
1) Give you a picture that is too dim and lacks punch.
2) Has less resolution on 1.85:1 and 1.78:1 content than you would with a 16:9 screen.
3) Wears your tubes out faster.

Dave

NEC XG75.I run this NEC for one Year now.This was the first NEC i´ve bought.
My first CRT was an Sony 1270.But the XG is much better :-)

NEC XG 75
Cinemateq Picture Optimizer II+ SDI
Denon DVD-5000 SDI

Well, that settles it then. The NEC is so good, that even God uses one. :rolleyes:

Uh.... welcome to the forum?? :D

Marc

Thanks... I'm sure I'll be bugging you all in a short while about the setup of this beast. :)

Dave (or anyone for that matter)... what setup would you suggest for the screen then? The system will be primarily used for DVD viewing... maybe a little HDTV in the future, but mostly DVDs. I realize there is no anamorphic lens, but I figured that once the scaler is in place, constant height shouldn't be an issue as the output of the scaler is fixed to a specific resolution and the CRT will be set up and fixed to that resolution/size? I'm very new to all of this, but I thought that's why a scaler comes into play?

Bottom line is that I'm shooting for the total theater experience (not just a room with a big screen) so I want to aviod letterboxing as much as possible if not completely...

Add me to the NEC club.

XG1350 (original series XG135);
6'-wide 16:9 Draper Premier 1.3 gain screen
Focus Enhancements CS-1 Scaler
Moome outboard DVI/VGA converter
Sources are StarChoice and DirecTV satellite, Yamaha DVD-S2500.

Audio side:
Paradigm Reference 60's front, Reference 40's rear, Servo 15 sub
Proceed AVP
Rotel RMB-1075
Velodyne SMS-1 Bass Equalization System

John C.

A NEC 10pg with about 600hrs on new tubes
NEC ISS6020
NEC IDC3000
NEC XG110lc
HTPC- athalon, 6600gt, theater tec 1080p
NeuNeo dvd player 720p
2-Electrohome 8500's
I've had the 10pg for 4 years, its not leaving
Gary

Basement Theater: 110" Screen
1080i & 720p HD, SD & DVD
(Yes I watch my SD Tivo shows on it)

Two XG 1100s (one to show, one if it goes)
Samsung 360 for HD, SD and scaler for DTivos and external DVD player
HTPC - Athlon 64 3200 with 6600GT - 2 Terabytes for videos
(Gigabit connected to MS 2003 SBS Server for all other traffic-Comcast 8Mb/s)
ISS-6020 to switch between the Samsung and the HTPC
4 DirecTivos
Pioneer Laserdisc "get outta here!"

Behr white wall
Sony DA5ES Receiver/Switcher
Polks in 7.1
500 x 500 Watt JBL Amp driving Subwoofer & Shakers
embarassing little RS 8" Subwoofer now, but,
4 Stryke AV15 Subs in infinite baffle going in

6 Coaster Director Seats
12 Bass Shakers

NEC XG-852
DVDO iScan HD with SDI input
Panasonic DVD-XP30 modified with SDI output
Dalight 100" diag 16x9 cinema vision screen

I just got the Moome DVI card for the XG today and will install it this weekend. Now I will have a full digital path all the way to the PJ.

Hi new owner of XG110LC.

I have just added a nice 135LC with good tubes, so that makes three. Of course, I am still using the PG.:)

Ericglo

You guys make me sick...tripping over 10PGs and XG LC's in the gutter..

The only way I'll get an LC is to mod my XG751, or pony up the $1000 to ship one here.

Here I am, I owned several NEC xg Projectors but just recently installed myself one XG1351LC what a great machine so many adjustments, hours and hours of fun calibrating is not a Joke Regards. Hydra

hours and hours of fun calibrating...
It's "Quality Time" :)

I probably wouldn't like my xg so much if it didn't require so much tlc to set up.

Nec 10PG had a stack setup but gave up on it to much trouble. but love what I have.

Johnboy

I am amazed by the amount of folks with 10PGs. I thought they were rare! Now I'm convinced they are simply being horded.

Marshall

I will add to this too with my GP-5000 and GE Imager 610. I have them in the garage
for now. I plan to setup a stack just to experiment with. Perhaps later, if a good
solution comes along, blending. Also have the system interface for both.

DH

9pg extra. 9' wide 2.35, curved, higher gain, stewart screen.

Loving the scope, highly recommend it. Sure it does not uses as much tube face as a 16x9, but a 16x9 does not use as much tube face as 4x3.

2.35 movies still get as much tube face, as they always would, and those are generally the movies I like best anyway. Epic adventure-(LOTR like movies), SCI-FI (Star Wars and Matrix) and most action flicks Have more impact when they take up my entire screen. 1.85 movies are usually dramas and comedies, so they are fine at narrower sizes. Just added a butkicker and now the theater really rocks and ROLLS!

So if you want to go 2.35 with a CRT, I say go for it. Don't let technical specs over rule what can be a very enjoyable way to watch movies. If we were all shooting for the brightest image and best use of tube face, we would be watching PAN and SCAN movies.... Ick!

2.35 screen and watching
2.35: full width, full height
1.85: reduced width, full height, wasted bandwidth and potential res
1.78: reduced width, full height, wasted bandwidth and potential res

1.78 screen and watching
2.35: full width, reduced height, wasted bandwidth
1.85: full width, reduced height, wasted bandwidth
1.78: full width, full height

Neither choice forces you to watch any particular AR material more than another. However, both make compromises when viewing nonnative material. So what you watch most often factors quite heavily. Also, the constant height feature is a big plus I think.

So what you watch most often factors quite heavily.

That I think is the biggest item on the list when deciding what screen to use. Most of the network programming is 16x9, but a lot of the other channels are still and will continue to be showing 4x3. If you only watch movies, then scope is a good option.

Ericglo

Great points guys! 2.35:1 is not for everyone, but using a CRT projector does not preclude you from doing it. I think some people go with digitals because they think using a digital makes a 2.35 setup easier. Which is totally untrue. I just wanted to remind people that they CAN go 2.35 and CRT together!

In hopes of meeting a minmium order, I want to pimp Moome's DVI input card for the NEC switcher unit -- check out THIS (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6894408&&#post6894408) thread. Do you have (or plan on getting) a switcher unit?

The input card allows hooking up to DVI sources, it may also have tse's gamma circuit on it. Check it out!

Thanks,


Marshall

I've been so busy at work since before the Xmas holidays I haven't read this forum in weeks.

Just another grain of sand on the beach, I have a 9PG+ with about a thousand hours on it, and a new set of OEM tubes for it when needed someday, plus an NEC 10PG with about 500 hours on it (it's really, REALLY minty), which I haven't had time to setup since I bought it.

Using an Oppo DVP971 on DVI output with DVI-D to RGBHV converter (box, not a dongle), scaling to 1080i, also an HTPC with MyHD card at 1080i (NEC switcher). Expect to get a Toshiba HD-DVD player in March or thereabouts, depending on when they really come out.

~Jon

If I could find a NEC switcher at a cheap price, I'd probably be interested in the Moome card.

I have a 9pg+ with about 1000 hours on it as well.

I was constantly searching these forums in the past with by BG800 as it never worked well enough to be satisfied.

I got the NEC on a screaming deal and since it was initially set up, I have been enjoying an amazing HT experience.

Good & bad, in a way as I haven't realized how little I've been on these forums since the NEC arrived

C

About to be an NEC XG 1100/110 owner (my first NEC PJ but will be my 5th front projector) .

--- So there is a DVI/Component board available for XG's (other than the 852) ?
--- Where is it and how much ? ;) I would luv to have DVI on this XG since I am using a tweaked 6600GT-OC HTPC .
--- For those that have the DVI card and have compared it to the RGBHV(VGA) input , how does it compare ... obvious difference ?

--------- Thanks ,
---------- Jason

-Yes
-Read here http://www.*********/eviltwin/forum_posts.asp?TID=210&PN=1
- Two of my mates have them (ok, one NEC, one Sony), and there was no performance change over decent RGBHV, but I haven't tried it myself.

Thanks for the link Mark :) .

-- Sounds like a decent addition , just have to decide on internal or external . I would think the internal would give better results and it sounds like moome has an NEC PJ for testing .

-------- Jason

If I could find a NEC switcher at a cheap price, I'd probably be interested in the Moome card.


LawDawg,

Check HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7012920&&#post7012920) for a possible switcher.

Savi?

Marshal(l)

A blast from the past GP-3000 here, picture through the S-Video cable using NTSC camera, need PAL input due to being in the UK, also no remote or system interface.

Unit obtained from work skip, not switched on for approx 8 yrs.

Any other GP-3000 owners out their UK or other countries.

Chris.

I'll toss my hat in with a recently acquired xg1351 retro. At 72" pushed by an xg I just can't bring myself to call it a RPTV.

XG75, and initial set-up, from Drew. Tweaked (seriously) by Baisey. Lumagen HDPro.

If I had to do it over again, I would. But I'd probably get an LC... Don't see halos much, but when I do, I wince.

Otherwise, a real source of pleasure (after a lot of grief to get it "right"; it also doesn't help that my definition of "right" keeps changing...)

A blast from the past GP-3000 here, picture through the S-Video cable using NTSC camera, need PAL input due to being in the UK, also no remote or system interface.

Unit obtained from work skip, not switched on for approx 8 yrs.

Any other GP-3000 owners out their UK or other countries.

Chris.

You will have to have the PSU modded by RoBro, otherwise a chip in there will most likely fail. That chip is no longer available, and thus the PSU cannot be repaired once it has failed. I think Robro currently might have a special for the mod.

The GP3000 is a fine machine.

720p is pretty much the max it handles rather well when using a 16:9 raster and with very good setup.
1080i looks very good, as that is not pushing the electronics as much as 720p.

The PJ is not very bright, but in a light-controlled environment it is fine.

It has EMF tubes and excellent point convergence.

Thank you for the information, I was reading another message in the list, it was indicating that the stand by power supply is delicate, I do not require to leave the machine on stand by, can this board be by-passed to stop the problem ?, do you know if RoBro sells the parts for PS modification ?, any special equipment required ?, I can solder if I know the parts that require changing. (I will try to contact RoBro)
Thanks again.
Best Regards Chris.

it has nothing to do with standby.

If the PSU is not modded, the probability of the PJ failing prematurely approaches 1.

RoBro does not sell parts for the mod, he only mods PSU that are sent to him.
He currently might be able to offer a special price for the mod.

it has nothing to do with standby.

If the PSU is not modded, the probability of the PJ failing prematurely approaches 1.

RoBro does not sell parts for the mod, he only mods PSU that are sent to him.
He currently might be able to offer a special price for the mod.

Thanks for the information, I will try to contact RoBro.

Do you know what type of line doubler or other can be used with the GP-3000 ?, do you know what the effect will be if using one ?.

Best Regards

Chris.

Chris,
NEC IDC series line doublers were used during that time. Not expensive. They did a good job. The 'match' units that were offered on the GP was the controller SI5320 (takes Pal) and the IDC. The IDC 2-3000 had more input capabilities. Doug

Line doubler is 480P 31.75 kHz. Video 15.75 kHz is 480I interlaced. About a 2X improvment in picture to keep it simple. This helps fill the scan lines for a smoother image. Not sure about your Pal though.

I have a 6 PG+. A bunch of Extron gear... HDTV thru DirecTV and Local off-the-air. No scalers or doublers yet..

3 XG110 (1 ceiling mounted, 1 spare but will prob go to my brother and one for spares) all with new tubes
The XG in use is ceiling mounted and fed via RGBHV from a Lumagen HDP
The XG is running 1080p at 75Hz in a 4x3 format.

Jim,
How does 1080P look at 75 Hz? Thanks, Doug

Hi Doug

Great. Its what worked for me but takes a little tweaking.

I tried a bucket load of resolutions to find the best mix for my image size ie

- no scan lines
- no overlap
- no flicker
- solid picture via the lumage HDP

So I get 1080p 4x3 or 810p 16x9.

Before getting to this I triead all the std type (even some non std) resolutions both in 4x3 and 16x9 mode eg 1080i,720p etc at varying frequencies 75,50,etc. 1080p 75hz 4x3 was the one.

Some have said that its pushing the projector too hard but it looks pretty happy to me (happy = technical term used by electrical engineers :-) ). In any case I have spares but at the moment for the three hours I use it every now and then I can see using them.

So some more data :
- Im using a screen with a ~<1.2 gain (cant remember the exact gain but its not much, close to unity).
- As I said the projector is ceiling mounted and the base of it is parallel to the ceiling itself.....so minor tilt if any.
- The top of the screen is in line with the base of the projector
- Screen size (4x3) is ~1.87m wide and 1.4 high (size which was right for my room)
- From the front of the lenses to the screen the distance is 2.56m

Hope this helps and let me know if you need more info.

What is your horizontal resolution in 1080p 4:3?

Linecircle,

Initial setup is always text book V=1080p and H=1440....picture is great but a little out (size, position etc etc). After adjustments with the Lumagen to get the picture fitted perfectly to the screen etc etc I end up with the following timings from the Lumagen.

Vtot = 1125
Htot = 1760
Vact = 1026
Hact = 1365
Vsyn = 5
Hsyn = 88
Vfrn = 41
Hfrn = 34
Vrate = 75
Hrate = 84387
Asp = 1.33

At the projector ie using INFO
VRate = 75.01
Hrate = 84.38 Khz

Im pretty sure the above are the raw figures. Ill check to make sure there isnt another location in the Lumagen which gives better data.

Any NEC owners in or around Bergen County, New Jersey?

Since this is directed to NEC owners, would someone have a RC 6051 (or 6321) remote they'd be willing to sell me? PM might not work so you can send email to zirdum@msn.com . Thanks!

XG135LC, but still have not used it. Bought it used two years ago with 50 Hr's. I have looked it over to the best of my ability and it appears to operate great. No phosphor usage at all, pulled the lenses and couldn't see any burn at all. I have been building my theater room for two years now also. I have done a lot to try and finish but I keep trying to make it better. Someday I will get to enjoy it, and for now at least, it's in like new condition. I would like to find someone in the Cincinnati, Dayton OH area that has one. I am sure I will need some help setting it up.

1) Nec 9 PG Xtra -- Sold it but now I looking for another after a long break off CRTs
2) XG 852 - One of the 5 Gary and Curt got off Ebay with new tubes.

6 PG Xtra, 7500 hours on the tubes with some ware. Still looks great. :-)

6 PG Xtra 6200 in my tiny 12 square meters HT room, currently fed by a Momitsu V880N. 210 cm wide 16:9 screen. Got the Xtra in 2001 but it was not set up until a year later...Tubes were in mint condition when I purchased the NEC, have run it maybe 700 hours since then.

Thomas

I am currently runing 6PG+ ceiling mount, wondering if PG(except 10PG) and XG share the same ceiling mount.

JC

NEC XG-110 owner with approximately 5000 hours on it. Enjoying it immensely.

Any NEC owners in or around Bergen County, New Jersey?

I am a NEC XG110 owner in located in Morris County.

I am currently runing 6PG ceiling mount, wondering if PG(except 10PG) and XG share the same ceiling mount.

JC

if my memory serves me right, the mounts should be the same

RUNCO SUPER IDTV II IDP 980 Ultra (9PG Xtra) 3800 hours

Just got it cant wait to hook it up. My other PJ is a Barco 801.

Dave

Man how much money do you guys have to toss around here, Im a college kid that has an XG75 that has very decent tubes, but only doing vid out from my Phillips 642 DVD Player. Wish I had some nice hardware to push this pj around with. :) One day ill have a moome card and maybe a nice scaler. Still trying to figure out a good one to get, or should I stick to a line doubler?


Andrew

scaler wise i love my vp30... its a chunk of change but for me it was well worth it. i started with an iscan pro, then a hd+ then finally a vp30... can't wait until its hooked up to my 10pg.

clarence had the vp30 hooked up to his g90 and loved it.

Man how much money do you guys have to toss around here, Im a college kid that has an XG75 that has very decent tubes, but only doing vid out from my Phillips 642 DVD Player. Wish I had some nice hardware to push this pj around with. :) One day ill have a moome card and maybe a nice scaler. Still trying to figure out a good one to get, or should I stick to a line doubler?


Andrew

Use the PC you typed this on as a DVD player.

Man you don't know how lucky you are - a projector in uni...we used to gape at CRT's on the ceiling when I was at uni 10 years ago.. :)

Can Non-LC XG (110/1350) be converted to LC version (110LC/1351LC) by just swap the tube or lens ?

JC

Simply, its not worth doing.
Its way too costly.You are much
better off to sell your set and buy an LC unit.

Well I would see but this is a labtop and its not capable of anything greater then like 800x600. kinda crappy but if I ever get my pc workin that would be a start.
Andrew

Simply, its not worth doing.
Its way too costly.You are much
better off to sell your set and buy an LC unit.


I would argue that. It depends on your location. If you're in the US/Canada it's madness. You're better off getting another unit.

But for me, it is far cheaper to buy burnt LC tubes + lenses/brackets/etc. Shipping a XG is just too expensive IMO.

All the bits to upgrade my XG to LC are now shipping to me :)

All the bits to upgrade my XG to LC are now shipping to meAnd then we'll have to add 752 to the model list! :D

Nah, it'll be a XG-751LC.

I'm far from the first to do this. Gn2 sold an upgraded 751 to guy in New Zealand.

Just wondering, if any where can find some detail guide about tuning gamma/g2 etc - these advanced staff. I am not an expert but as an ee, I am capable understand the instruction/term, have some access to the equipment.

Thanks,

Another to my first one, how / where can I find a 6PG plus service manual to be able to to the advanced adjustment.

For SM I recommend here: http://freebrd.com/manuals.html

I've downloaded several and they are excellent quality and value.

There is no gamma adjustment in a PG.

Sure, some say it's hard to setup. But at $200 w/3500 hours, it was my way in to the club.

It's great to be here. Thanks for having me.

NEC XG1352 (LC) 5 years ,1852 hrs
Just move from HTPC to DVDO Iscan HD+
Stewart Screen Studiotek 130 92" wide (16 x 9)

...

Any NEC owners in or around Bergen County, New Jersey?


I have come to the conclusion there are not CRT installers in existance...I think you have to put a tooth under your pillow or something...

Well, add me to the NEC list.

I just bought an beautiful condition 6PG+ from a fellow member (thanks again David!) to replace my aging Panasonic AE500.

Guess I'm about to experience firsthand how difficult it is to setup an NEC. I hope at least it's more stable than my old Ampro 2000G. :p

It's reassuring to know that Doug Baisey is closeby in case I give up!

BTW, my 6PG+ doesn't have the ceiling mounting hooks. Does anyone know of a hardware solution for bolting into the four holes?

Robert,
PM Scopeboy and ask him to take a photo of his application using uni-strut. We just did this (10PG) at his place and has the thread metric size. If you have the mount I know I have the right side L bracket looking at the bottom rear towards you. I have no idea where all the left L brackets went to but are harder to find. Doug

Thanks, Doug!

I don't have the ceiling mount so I was going to rig up something with unistrut. If I can't locate the NEC brackets I guess I could have someone drill the holes into the unistrut L bracket...

Thanks!

I have an NEC XG 1351 in great shape and new tubes! here from France

Well as of late last week I can now add myself to the list of NEC owners ... I just bought (from Clarence) and am in the process of setting up a NEC DP-1200. :)

I am a new owner of a NEC XG1100 here from Taiwan. It was set up well and gives me a stunning picture.

SYC

I've had an XG 135 for 4 years now. Replaced the blue CRT since it came with a raster collapse burn.

Also bought a XG 1100 2 years ago as a spare for $695.

Also new to the NEC owners list! Got myself a DP-1200E which seems to be in good condition!

I didn't add to this thread yet

NEC 1352 with 134 and 18 lenses(well used to have 134's, another board member already purchased my 134's so don't ask)

-Gary

NEC 135XG - 92" Wide 16x9 Parkland Plastics Homemade Screen & HTPC

Been in place for 4 years...just touch up the static convergence every couple of months. Have a held up wth a Chief Lift that has only been used once...:)

Mike

NEC 6PG, but it doesn't work yet. :D

6pg xtra on a dalite high power here
powered by a htpc

9pg xtra powered by a HTPC with FFDShow upscaling to 1440x960

on a blackout cloth screen I made for my lumenlab projector that I built a while ago

NEC 9PG Xtra on an Amisos. Here in good old Europe/Germany/Bavaria ;)

I didn't see this originally,

I have the following NEC PJ's:

2 XG-1352's (from AVS Power Buy a few years ago) 1 new in the Box.
Full set of new tubes as spares
1 XG-1351
4 XG-1101's

Enough parts for what remaining time I will be on earth.

Maybe someday they will be replaced by a digital, but for now, I couldn't be happier with the PQ, stability and reliability.

I have a dismantled stack 10pg steup I've desided to go with 1 projector instead with the rock + with SDI , NEC 6010 waiting for moome so I can go the HD route

JohnBoy

As of yesterday I have a 9PG Xtra with an 97" (diagonal) Parkland DIY screen using a Toshiba HD-A1 for the source (Lumagen to come soon). Very happy with the results so far...... :)

Ant

Oooops...I just saw that i had already posted in this thread ! so i'm editing my post

Anyway, I still have mu NEC 6PGextra, and I am considering to redo setup for a constant height screen, whenever I get a HD capable player, either HDDVD or BD.

Yes, I realize that I will loose resolution and brightness, but that is the same for a 16:9 screen every time you watch a 2.35 AR movie.

Thomas

It gratifying to see so many NEC owners.

I'm planing on upgrading my scaler and I'm looking into the Lumagen Vision HDP any thoughts on the combo. I'm waiting for Moome to have the imput card to my 6010 switcher so I can go the HD DVD route. Does anyone have any experience with a 10PG and this scaler combination?

Thanks
Johnboy

9pgxtra with low hours, great tubes on a DIY 1.0 gain screen 90"w x 68"H. DVDO VP30 with deinterlacing card and SDI input driving 1080i, Panny rp-82 with SDI mod, Tosh HD-A1 HD DVD, HD Directivo, Elite DV-47ai (for audio disks and DVD-Audio, along with music DVDs, Elite VSX-56txi with i-link connection to DV-47ai. 4 x Carver m500t amps, Sony SLVR-1000 SVHS (I think it still works), Polk Audio 2x RT2000p's, 2xCS400i, 4x FX1000's, 2x SVS 20-39 PciPlus's, Velodyne SMS-1, 4 x Aura bass shakers, Pronto TSU7000.

I've got a spare 9PGxTra as well for parts. B & G tubes are cooked, but electronics are low time. I'd pop for a spare set of tubes if I could find a set for a reasonable price, just in case.

I really scratched my head about replacing the CRT with a digital machine before investing approx $2k for the VP30 to allow me to use the HD Tivo and HD-A1. A digital machine would allow use of HDMI connections, and the VP30 would not be needed for transcoding these devices. Just plug and play, supposedly. I looked at lots of options, including the Sony Ruby, but just couldn't bring myself to drop the NEC to the floor for something with lower rez and worse PQ. The unit in the HT is a 1996 model that I bought in 2000, before the HT craze began in earnest, for $600 and has performed flawlessly.

Maybe one day the digitals will offer comparable PQ for a price that makes sense, but not yet, IMHO.

It gratifying to see so many NEC owners.

I'm planing on upgrading my scaler and I'm looking into the Lumagen Vision HDP any thoughts on the combo. I'm waiting for Moome to have the imput card to my 6010 switcher so I can go the HD DVD route. Does anyone have any experience with a 10PG and this scaler combination?

Thanks
Johnboy

Johnboy,

the Lumagen works very nicely with the 10 PG, but I recommend to go with the HDQ. I use that combo and it's terrific.

Oliver

John, I can comment that the 10PG combo along with the Lumagen HDP is wonderful. Doug set mine up for constant height and I love it. I suppose the HDQ would be a nice upgrade though. For the time being, I'm happy.

Scope,
I have been thinking about a few things I want to try the next time I come down just because. You really dont need to upgrade anything. The BBQ works just fine, your wife is cool so lets keep her that way :D Doug

Will do Doug, just let me know when you are ready to come down for another steak dinner. Been doing some work on the house since you have come down.

Sorry for the newbie question - but this looks like the thread to ask it in:

What distance should I hang the strut for a 6PG+ (pretty sure w/HD-145's) if I am shooting for a 7' wide 16:9 screen?

I'd try setting it up, and doing the cart method - but the room is under construction and I need to put strut on joists before the ceiling gets plastered. Besides, I have minimal expectation that I'd do it right. The ceiling height is just under 7'6" (or will be) if that makes a difference.

I realize this is probably an "asked and answered" question - but searches tend to tell me that the manual is wrong, etc.

Thanks,

Sorry for the newbie question - but this looks like the thread to ask it in:

What distance should I hang the strut for a 6PG+ (pretty sure w/HD-145's) if I am shooting for a 7' wide 16:9 screen?

I'd try setting it up, and doing the cart method - but the room is under construction and I need to put strut on joists before the ceiling gets plastered. Besides, I have minimal expectation that I'd do it right. The ceiling height is just under 7'6" (or will be) if that makes a difference.

I realize this is probably an "asked and answered" question - but searches tend to tell me that the manual is wrong, etc.

Thanks,

I've got a 9pg xtra, and the manual was pretty close for a 4:3 ratio screen. However, I would STRONGLY suggest that you actually set up the projector (including a close convergence) in your room to get the mount location as close as possible. I know it's a PITA to work around construction, but it's more fun than ripping out stuff to re-do it. Your mount should anchor into structural members anyway, so I would suggest locating your anchors before plastering. Mock up a screen on the projection wall with masking tape. Don't forget to run a conduit for power and another one for signal cables (at least 2".)

BTW, are you SURE you want to go 16:9 instead of 4:3? 16:9 will not completely eliminate black bars, since many movies are in 2:35 or 1.85 ratios. I finalized on 4:3 for two reasons. First, most tv is SD, so 4:3 is correct. Second, your pj (unlike many digital pjs) will do constant width for 4:3 and 16:9, and other ratios. I would rather have full width 4:3 with black bars on HD DVDs and HDTV than a MUCH smaller 4:3 image on SD material.

Just my $0.02 based on 5+ years experience with a NEC crt.

What ever you decide, good luck and have fun!!

You need to see where your used phosphor area is set to now. The only way you can do that is to over amplitude H and V and see where it starts to show the unused phosphor. You want to use a all white test pattern or Avia. This will come into play and you dont want to find this out after its mounted.
If you have no visible wear your ok but something to think about. Doug

Sorry for the newbie question - but this looks like the thread to ask it in:

What distance should I hang the strut for a 6PG+ (pretty sure w/HD-145's) if I am shooting for a 7' wide 16:9 screen?

I'd try setting it up, and doing the cart method - but the room is under construction and I need to put strut on joists before the ceiling gets plastered. Besides, I have minimal expectation that I'd do it right. The ceiling height is just under 7'6" (or will be) if that makes a difference.

I realize this is probably an "asked and answered" question - but searches tend to tell me that the manual is wrong, etc.

Thanks,


If you have new tubes I'd set it up at 118" to the lenses.

Okay guys - I suppose an easy answer would be wishful thinking. Its an AT screen planned, which adds to the complexity. There is a hint of wear on the the tubes, so I'll have to figure out how to set up the raster within.

I was hoping for a shortcut since the carpenters work faster than my free time allows. The "scare" stories suggest it takes the better part of the day to set it up the first time. As an accountant, this is a tough time of year to grab some time.

I hear you about 4:3, and I have no aversion to black bars, but I don't really think I am going to be watching much if any 4:3 content. Should be movies, w/some HDTV. The few SD show I watch are all in 16:9 ratios anyways (Galactica).

Thanks again for the input.

Here are some crude renders of where I am going with this (will add a countertop and stools for a second row):

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/dc_pilgrim/ht_r2.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/dc_pilgrim/ht_r1.jpg

6 PG Xtra
Videon Omega One
Draper motorized tab-tension 100" screen.

Owned it for 5 years and is my first PJ. I'm getting ready to replace the green tube with a new VDC I just received a couple of days ago. The blue & red still about an 8 rating. This will be ceiling mounted in my bedroom when completed (HT Bedroom? :D ).

My other PJ's
- Marquee 8501 (main HT room :cool: )
- ECP 4101 (don't know what i'm using this for yet :rolleyes: )

XG110LC hooked up to an HTPC. :cool:

Craigo

Most likely depending on what you use the 720P signal (45 kHz) will be on the small side so make sure that fills the width at what ever throw you use.

If your using 1080I (33 kHz) this will be on the wide side and will need some consideration when placing the rasters and H width with H position. You might see 'harmonics' or lines on the right side if ceiling mounting and some are on the left side depending on where the raster is set. This can be worked out if you take your time checking perimeters. Check for a line in about a foot on a dark scene also.

Stuff like this is part of planning if you know what to look for and should be done well before the carpenters come but this also adds to the drama of a HT build thats fun (if your not paying a calibrator to do it...if you can talk him into it) If you look close at some other installs you can see where things were moved around afterwards but we dont talk about that to much. :D Doug

Leave a little slack in the cables overhead
I think we hi-jacked this thread a bit, sorry guys.

On my fourth & possibly fifth NEC XG's...the one on my ceiling is a 1352 with excellent tubes.
May be getting a pristine 110LC in a week or two.

Lumagen HDP Visionpro
Denon 3910 with SDI mod by Lumagen
Directv H-10...Hope to go with Dish network as soon as they get NFL package.


Time to update this.
One pristine XG1352, & one almost as pristine XG1101
Lumagen is gone, now use MP-5
Denon 3910 (soon to be replaced with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD)
Directv HD-DVR...no NFL package, so no DISH.

Nec 1352 here, with a vidikron/stewart 80*60 tt dropdown screen, used to use htpc, but now dvdo vp 50, toshiba xa1 and ead dvdmaster, bell express 9200 hdtv. bought the NEC brand new in 2001 from AVS now about 1100 hours on it.

And one day, I hope to get DOUG B up to Calgary to set it up properly, but too busy because of our lovely Canadian government trust busters.....

I've had for awhile a GP3000 whose only ills I know of are the red and green tubes' busted front glass. Seller made the mistake of driving around with it in the back of SUV w/o padding, and over speedbumps - was going to pay $150 until we pulled it into his place to test, got it for $25 instead. Too bad as the tubes were 8-9, and it would have been a fine video projector.

I now have a 9PG who in turn has the red and blue tubes front glass also busted, this one because I was lazy and was trying to un-hose the horrible convergence (coils and CPC magnets wonky looks like) and correct brightness issues (AKB fixed this), and didn't take it apart to drain the glycol first. I never truely warmed it up, only running it a few times for a short while each time while tinkering with it. Tubes on this one are more burned anyways, but the blue tube was the best off, too bad it popped. Tubes range in the 4-7 area for wear, so I'm saving up to replace them. This one was just over $100 on ebay and about 4-5 hours round trip of driving.

No scalers yet, other than my DVDO iScan Pro I've had for a few years. Eventually I'd like a Lumagen HDP or HDQ, but until then I'll have a bastard combination of transcoders, doublers, and switchers.

I got a 76" diag 16:9 pull-down InFocus screen on Woot.com for ~$30-35 shipped, which while not as good as a fixed screen, is great for the money.

Current display is still CRT - but it's merely a 19" Viewsonic Professional Series monitor. I can't quite get enough vertical squeeze for 16:9, its more like 16:10ish, but otherwise it works great, if quite small. BNC inputs for the win, I can feed it nearly anything I could feed the projectors (it won't scan to 480i/576i, too low) and feed it in the same way. Eventually will likely replace it with a Sony GDM-W900 if I can find one for cheap locally (24" 16:10 CRT that can do 1080p easily), and use it when not using the projectors. Will get a second ISS output card so I don't have to swap cables..

I have not posted to this thread since my new addition so here it is. I now have a plain vanilla 6PG with good tubes, some wear on the green but very viewable. A 9PG+ with great condition, near mint tubes that I'm currently struggling to setup.

I have not posted to this thread since my new addition so here it is. I now have a plain vanilla 6PG with good tubes, some wear on the green but very viewable. A 9PG+ with great condition, near mint tubes that I'm currently struggling to setup.

Do you have a manual and remote? You'll definitely need both, although a Pronto .ccf file is available at remotecentral.com. Seems like NEC had the manual available for download somewhere on their site. I may have an e-copy if you need it, just let me know.

Saw your handle. Are you a jumper? I used to jump north of Raleigh, NC years ago. Jumped in Chester, SC a few times as well.

Do you have a manual and remote? You'll definitely need both, although a Pronto .ccf file is available at remotecentral.com. Seems like NEC had the manual available for download somewhere on their site. I may have an e-copy if you need it, just let me know.

Saw your handle. Are you a jumper? I used to jump north of Raleigh, NC years ago. Jumped in Chester, SC a few times as well.

Oh, I have lots of manuals and one setup remote between the two projectors. I think it's a RC6051. I set up an email address with the prefix "dropzone7" after making my first tandem skydive about 10 years ago. That was in St. George, SC at Blue Sky Adventures. At the time it seemed like something I would like to do again but the more I thought about it the more I figured I might have gotten lucky and shouldn't push my luck! I would love to jump again sometime and learn to solo just so I could get a cool video of myself in an all black suit or something. :D There really is nothing like it but every time I hear about someone getting killed I talk myself out of it. Hey, being so close by it would be nice to get some help setting up this NEC! It doesn't pay well but the hospitality is hard to beat! :D Are you currently using an NEC projector?

I didn't see this topic before. If I may butt in:

I own a NEC XG 1101LC with a 92'' wide wilsonart diy screen.

I didn't see this topic before. If I may butt in:

I own a NEC XG 1101LC with a 92'' wide wilsonart diy screen.

Nate, how is the laminate screen working out with your NEC? I'm using blackout cloth right now but have read about the Wilsonart Designer White screens.

I had a 6PG, now have XG1351LC. Feeding it mostly hi-def via x264 and mpeg2 .ts from HTPC. 110" 16:9 screen of Screen Goo on artist canvas.

Nate, how is the laminate screen working out with your NEC? I'm using blackout cloth right now but have read about the Wilsonart Designer White screens.

The screen is working great. I'm sorry I cannot comment on the difference between blackout cloth and the laminate as I have never seen the blackout cloth used before. I highly recommend this to anyone in need of a screen but its difficult for me to recommend this as an "upgrade" for you. There certainly are much more qualified people on this thread to answer that question, but when I did screen research it was largely biased to the laminate. Good luck.

Oh, I have lots of manuals and one setup remote between the two projectors. I think it's a RC6051. I set up an email address with the prefix "dropzone7" after making my first tandem skydive about 10 years ago. That was in St. George, SC at Blue Sky Adventures. At the time it seemed like something I would like to do again but the more I thought about it the more I figured I might have gotten lucky and shouldn't push my luck! I would love to jump again sometime and learn to solo just so I could get a cool video of myself in an all black suit or something. :D There really is nothing like it but every time I hear about someone getting killed I talk myself out of it. Hey, being so close by it would be nice to get some help setting up this NEC! It doesn't pay well but the hospitality is hard to beat! :D Are you currently using an NEC projector?

I made my first jump in 1985, and tried a few more over the years. After the third or fourth thousand you kind of get over the "am I going to die" concerns. On average, more people die annually because soda machines fall on them after taking their money than die skydiving. It's just a real media event whenever it happens. (Not to mention the 47,000 people killed every year on the roads who should be at home in their theaters!)

I've had a NEC 9PGxtra in my HT for 4 years so far. Initial setup is a little confusing, but can be done if you carefully follow the manual. Just be conservative with brightness and contrast, and feed it a 720P or 1080i signal and you'll be very happy. I use a DVDO VP30 with SDI, and use a HDTivo and a Toshiba HD-A1 HDDVD player. I've looked at higher end digital 1080p pjs, and can't see enough (if any) improvement to justify the purchase. You just cannot beat CRT! For lots of good setup tips, check out www.curtpalme.com. He's a wizard with CRTs. I bought my NEC from him in 2002.

Take your time and have fun!!

rtart, thanks for the reassurance! I may give skydiving another go one of these days. Regarding the projector, if you care to chime in with any pointers you can check out my thread here :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=854042

I'm trying to tackle manual astig on the red tube now. I played around with it last night and got some pretty round dots compared to what I had.

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I can nearly copy the post of Jesse S: :)

I had a 6PG, now have XG1351LC. Feeding it mostly hi-def via x264 and mpeg2 .ts from HTPC. 110" 16:9 screen of Screen Goo on artist canvas.

Only difference: i have a 86'' diy screen

Daniel

@mrking:

sounds like the 'dreaded scrambled mess'. I only experienced it on the XG, but PGs can also have it. Search for it, a lot of threads will show up.

Thanks,

Will do a search for it now that I have the correct NEC terminology for the problem. =)

I removed my post from above and started a new thread about Dreaded Scrambled Mess since this wasn't quite the place to post it in.

XG75LC yes..... LC.
It's one that got converted and supports higher resolutions too.

In the past have had 1/2 dozen different Sony PJ's

Hi,

I'd like to add the NEC of a good friend of mine who is not a user in this forum, but certainly has a very special NEC, I'd say this is the only one worldwide of its kind :)

It is an NEC 9PG extra LC, but not with the standard XG LC assemblies but with those from a G70 ! This adds stepless Scheimpflug to the NEC chassis and this is a very difficult conversion because the G70 housings are much deeper and taller than the NEC housings.

Enjoy !

Modding Extreme: NEC PG9 Xtra LC (http://******************/thread.php?postid=782462#post782462)

Oliver

Oliver, unfortunately that other board's address is banned here :(

Maybe this link works:

http://www.speedsafe.in/xx-cb5681e5e0dc2fcfbc977331bfaffc8eff53230bdd1004d03195a511c5eb b0eb195f763d69ae9057764cd63d919582d01bb524cbdecae8b0/

Hi,

I did not know that, Kai.
I am a member of both boards dating back a long long time and never ever had a problem.

To all who are interested: The link Kai posted works, it is very interesting to see all the pictures and what Matthias did with his PG extra !

I thought to post the URL via tiny-URL but I do not want to get into trouble with the board rules and will just leave it at that.

Oliver

Ummm...nup.

Kai's link takes you to a "Speedsafe" webpage which wants a cookie/authentication.


I'm curious to see the Xtra though - G70 housings are too tall, I contemplated putting them in my XG, but they don't fit.

maybe that one works:
http://lix.in/f4648b

Hey!!! I get a mention!!

I see he had to turn the tubes over because of the 15 degree projection angle?

Or did he assemble them this way and then realise Xtra tubes are backwards compared to XG/G70? Wait, no that doesn't make sense, because it's an easy job to swap G70 tubes back.


I'm very impressed. Those tubes are way too big, that took a lot of ingenuity to squeeze them in there.

That would be a really nice projector.

I think the Xtra is in many ways a nicer chassis than the XG - the raster is far more forgiving of small porches and you don't have the trouble with the "back raster" showing if your blanking/pedestal is out.

That's way cool.

Hey!!! I get a mention!!

I see he had to turn the tubes over because of the 15 degree projection angle?

Or did he assemble them this way and then realise Xtra tubes are backwards compared to XG/G70? Wait, no that doesn't make sense, because it's an easy job to swap G70 tubes back.


I'm very impressed. Those tubes are way too big, that took a lot of ingenuity to squeeze them in there.

That would be a really nice projector.

I think the Xtra is in many ways a nicer chassis than the XG - the raster is far more forgiving of small porches and you don't have the trouble with the "back raster" showing if your blanking/pedestal is out.

That's way cool.

Yep, you did :)
He read it from you first and then I also told him about Bradad who put XG LC assemblies in his extra and then the quest was on !
Matthias was at my place and talked about that there were LC lenses for sale at hammerheadtech and that he might be interested to also buy XG LC tubes from them too to reuse the housings.
I asked why he did not want to go all the way and get stepless Scheimpflug with the G70 housings :D

So before he knew what he really wanted I got him those G70 tubes from another good friend and we were both a bit stunned about how big these turned out !
So after that Matti was on and off and not sure of he really wanted the hassle, but with a lot of time, sheetmetal work and rearranging of components on the neckboard and other things most users here can only dream of he got his PG extra LC with stepless Scheimpflug !

Matthias had to turn around the tubes because of the neckboards - they would not fit the other way around. The 15 degree projection angle is normal for the G70 and very useful in his setup as he has a very small screen (6 ft wide) that otherwise would be to far from the floor.

I agree about the Extra having its special charm - I would go with a non LC Extra over a non LC XG all the time if it has line distortion correction in hardware or software.
You can even get the extras aligned pretty good with regard to colors even when they are grossly misaligned - much harder to do that with an XG, epecially those ending with a 0.

Well, I'm now the owner of 3 NEC projectors. I just picked up a XG110 with a new green tube and good condition red and blue tubes. I now have a 6PG, 9PG+ and the XG110 and none of them are properly set up yet! I need to stop buying these things until I actually get one working properly. If I can get the XG looking pretty decent then I may sell of the other two units to help fund a proper setup and calibration.