.. I also notice that the minimum order amount for free shipping is $50 now, except for certain specials. Wasn't it previously $25?

That's right. (My 4,000th post is one of my shortest.)

Looks like Supermediastore has gone to a hybrid shipping method, at least for smaller free-shipping orders.

The high price of fuel is probably driving direct marketers like SMS to use more "creative" shipping methods to be able to continue to afford to offer a "free shipping" option. I also notice that the minimum order amount for free shipping is $50 now, except for certain specials. Wasn't it previously $25? (Or am I confusing this with Amazon's Super Saver Shipping?)

The Recession that officially ended two years ago is still cutting into everybody's bottom line.
You are correct. Customer service at supermediastore told me that if I had chosen any other shipping method other then free, they would not have passed the box to the post office.

I agree that creative shipping proceses like this one is a means of maintaining the free shipping option at the lowest possible cost to the vendor. (I don't think anyone really believes the recesson has ended.:() The minimum order for free shipping has indeed increased, and I wonder just how long free shipping will be offered.

It's annoying, but not a deal-changing issue. As long as the quality of their products remains the same, I'm not too concerned. If the cost-cutting results in quality cutting of the DVDs, THEN I will be angry, and they won' tlike it when I gate angry!:eek: (Really, they won't care at all if I get angry...:()

That's right. (My 4,000th post is one of my shortest.)

Congratulations on #4,000!!

@Church AV: Not only might free shipping be threatened, but as more state governments start licking their chops over sales tax nexus laws, we could see online shopping become not much better than the bricks-n-mortar business model.

Are these good enough for you? http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/ritek-ridata-8-5gb-dual-double-layer-4x-dvd-r-white-inkjet-printable-dvd-media-25?filter=Layer%3DDual+Layer&max=15&offset=0

I placed an order for a spindle of these yesterday. I'll let you know how well they work in my EH55 and my DVD duplicator.
My DVDs arrived yesterday. Using some content on my EH75, I started burning disks early yesterday evening, right after work. The results were less than I had hoped for.

The first disk failed outright at the very end of the dubbing process, after almost an hour of writing. It hung for a long time, and then failed going into the finalize step. The next four completed, but they took a very long (and variable amount of) time, and they all had an interesting characteristic. The finalize step got to 99%, and then hung, for over ten minutes each before it completed. They all seem to playback properly. The times were 44 minutes, 30 minute, 57 minutes, and 62 minutes. The actual amount of content wasn't the same, so some variation in the time was expected, but the 30 minute burn had the most to copy, so it made no sense from that point of view.

I don't know exactly what to make of the next piece of information. I have a policy of using my duplicator to make a copy of everything I burn these days. I put each of these Ritek disks into my (new) duplicator and the all four failed! There is a "test and copy" function that reads and analyzes the source disk before it performs the copy. In all four cases, the test failed, but not until the very end of the disk, where they had hung during the write process.

Are the disks really bad, or is the duplicator just not liking them (DVD-R DL)? As I said, the duplicator is new, so it should have the newest firmware in it, but I just noticed that the Supermediastore web page on that unit does not list DVD-R DL disks as supported. Funny, it didn't complain when I put them in the machine and pressed the button.

I think I'll stick with the Verbatim +R DLs from now on since the T-Y JVC ones are no longer available. Oh, I noticed that in Europe, there are two different JVC-R DL products available, but not here.:(

I think I'll stick with the Verbatim +R DLs from now on That is a wise choice, IMHO.

Amazon has Verbatim dvd +R DL 50ct. spindles for $47.99. I don't know if that's a good deal or not for +R DL media,since i buy so few of them.They also qualify for free shipping. Just thought id'e let you know. G.

That is a wise choice, IMHO.

That's easy for you to say since it was you who brought these to my attention!:D

Amazon has Verbatim dvd +R DL 50ct. spindles for $47.99. I don't know if that's a good deal or not for +R DL media,since i buy so few of them.They also qualify for free shipping. Just thought id'e let you know. G.
That's a good price, but without knowing if they are made in Singapore or India, the cost savings isn't worth the gamble. The Singapore ones are the ones I want, not the India ones.

That is a wise choice, IMHO.

I was surprised when you mentioned those discs, especially considering your previous sig:D
I've been known dabble in less than top shelf regular R discs(and I've had excellent burn success but I do worry more about longevity) but when it comes to DL media I only use Verbatim 2.4x(I'd probably buy 8x but 2.4x is widely available and the general consensus is slower is better for standalones).

I've never had a failure with Verbatims(unless you count the time I physically bumped my DVDR during finalizing a Verb DL disc and it promptly failed). Compare this to my first spindle of DL discs(Windata 8x +R DL) where I couldn't even get my older Pannys to burn them(my EZ-28 could but not my previous x7 EZ series). I had about a 50% success rate with my PC and the Windata discs but since then one is now unreadable and a couple others skip badly or lock up.

I would probably try the Ty - DL media if they were still available because I really don't like + discs in my Pannys but since they are no longer available I'll live with the quirks of the Verb +DL discs. My usage is ~ 30 DL discs/year, 10 on my Pannys for material much over 3hrs long and 20 for PC copies of DL discs I really care for. I can get about 4hrs 57 min of my favorite speed(FR2.7) on a DL disc.

That's easy for you to say since it was you who brought these to my attention!:D

I was surprised when you mentioned those discs, especially considering your previous sig:D

OK guys, let us not forget my original response was directed at mickinct who was asking if anyone knew where to find DVD-DL :D. I found those and replied. Personally, I wouldn't touch them. Not just because they were Ritek but because they were DVD-DL. Any DL media I use has always been Verbatim 2.4X DVD+DL. I generally paid $1.25-1.50/disk.

Now I use Philips BD-R at $1/disk. That's the equivalent of 5 DVD-R or 2.5 +DL. Hard to beat and because BD-R has a solid-state write-once recording layer, there appears to be a lot less variation across the brands.

OK guys, let us not forget my original response was directed at mickinct who was asking if anyone knew where to find DVD-DL :D. I found those and replied. Personally, I wouldn't touch them. Not just because they were Ritek but because they were DVD-DL. Any DL media I use has always been Verbatim 2.4X DVD+DL. I generally paid $1.25-1.50/disk.

Now I use Philips BD-R at $1/disk. That's the equivalent of 5 DVD-R or 2.5 +DL. Hard to beat and because BD-R has a solid-state write-once recording layer, there appears to be a lot less variation across the brands.

where r philips for $1/each bdr?

where r philips for $1/each bdr?http://www.supermediastore.com/category/u/blank-recordable-blu-ray-bd-r-re-disc-discs-media?max=15&sortBy=price&offset=0&filter=Type%3DBD-R+%28Recordable%29&sortBy=price&maxView=50
I've also been using the Optical Quantum disks which have a Philips media ID. I've burned about 50 with only 1 coaster that was my fault -- shouldn't try to burn a 4X disk at 8X.

My blank DVDs arrived Monday 8/29, all A-OK- though the cardboard box did look a little rough. They were shipped from California to Hutchins, TX via FedEx, and from there by "smartmail" to my post office.

My blank DVDs arrived Monday 8/29, all A-OK- though the cardboard box did look a little rough. They were shipped from California to Hutchins, TX via FedEx, and from there by "smartmail" to my post office.

Yup, SMS are masters of using just enough packing to keep the item from getting damaged, but it sure looks touch-and-go. And yet, everything I've ordered from them has come intact.

I placed an order yesterday that was shipped out via what looks like a UPS analog to the FedEx smartmail system. UPS takes it so far, then puts it into the postal mail system. Maybe the USPS has cut some deal with UPS and FE to try to stanch its rapid decline in business. (How many of us sit down with the checkbook and a roll of stamps to pay bills these days?)

I have a follow-up to my Ritek DVD-R DL story. After the events listed here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20893743#post20893743), I decided to try duplicating the disks in my trusty CopyPal. It does not do test-and-copy, but it says it does -R DL disks. Well, all the -R DL disks I had made copied just fine with the CopyPal. There were no large time differences between the disks, and they appeared to work just fine. When played back, there was no pixelating, studdering, or drop-outs. I don't know if I can make any real conclusions from a sample so small, but the disks appeared to work as advertised.

SuperMediaStore (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-dvd-r-8x-silver-thermal-dvd-recordable-single-layer-media-jdmr-zz-sb8-100pkX2) appears to have the premium JVC/TY 8X DVD-R 200 packs on sale again for $50 with free shipping.

http://4img.supermediastore.com/file/share/product/DV_001_3782/_500_0.jpg (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-dvd-r-8x-silver-thermal-dvd-recordable-single-layer-media-jdmr-zz-sb8-100pkX2)

CHECK this listing , i've got some from him. http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-JVC-Taiyo-Yuden-Premium-Line-Lacquer-DVD-R-8X-/220843103780?pt=BI_Blank_Media&hash=item336b465624

SuperMediaStore (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-dvd-r-8x-silver-thermal-dvd-recordable-single-layer-media-jdmr-zz-sb8-100pkX2) appears to have the premium JVC/TY 8X DVD-R 200 packs on sale again for $50 with free shipping.

CHECK this listing , i've got some from him. http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-JVC-Taiyo-Yuden-Premium-Line-Lacquer-DVD-R-8X-/220843103780?pt=BI_Blank_Media&hash=item336b465624
$50 for 200 disks, and $25 for 100 disks, both with free shipping, is, let's see, the exact same price per disk. :D

Thanks for the heads up, both of you.

I'm going to order 400, I'm getting tired of waiting for AZO Verbs to drop to $20 or less shipped, thanks for the tip:) I'll just have to live with the smudges;)
Oh it wasn't mentioned but my Supermedia email mentions 200 free paper sleeves with the 200/$50 special(I got 400 sleeves with my 400 order, promo code FREESLVS2). It one ups the Ebay deal plus no need to deal with PayPal which is mandatory for the ebay dealer.

Glad I checked this thread. Thanks for the info. Just ordered 200 & had them shipped to my Aunt in CA. Final cost with tax $54.35. Plus her cost to ship to me in HI. These are only used in my Panny E-500H and 200 last me about 8-9 months.

Just out of curiosity, why don't you have them shipped directly to you?

Just out of curiosity, why don't you have them shipped directly to you?

Because Two Day (2 Business Days) shipping cost to Hawaii is $35. So if I send to a Aunt in CA. Although I have to still pay there high CA tax. I get free shipping to her and then she ships it to me in a USPS Priority Mail Flat Rate box. Which I think is about $11. Before Supermedia use to charge just as much as the cost of the discs. So 2 spindles would of cost me $50 to ship to HI.

I buy my Verbatim AZO Dvd-r's from Amazon.com. Two 100 spindles and get free UPS 2nd Day Air shipping. I usually wait for them to drop to $19.99 for each spindle.

I guess I would do that too, under the conditions you indicate. I guess Supermediastore free shipping excludes Hawaii, so that isn't such a good deal for you. That is a creative solution you have come up with, assuming that your aunt is willing to do it for you.:)

Last week I placed an order from SuperMediaStore for their $50 sale on JVC/TY Premium 8X DVD-Rs.

Received yesterday 2 spools from FedEx (no swap to USPS), with one spool being Batch # GG000338 usable on all my Panasonic DVD Recorders, and the other spool Batch # GG007091 usable only on 2004 and newer Panasonic DVD Recorders.

I wish I could guarantee getting the lower batch numbers on my orders.

Guess the experience level of the folks in this thread makes this a good place to post my question.

Where can I buy quality pre-printed CD-Rs in quantity (say 1000 or so) for the best price? I make weekly recordings for a speaker group I attend, and then make 8-20 copies of each talk during the following week. I would like to get some Pre-printed CD-Rs with the name of my group already on them, leaving me lined spaces to fill in the speaker name/date/length etc. etc. But they must be quality CD-Rs and at a reasonable price. Any good leads?

Thanks in advanced for any help.

Hi everyone, still looking for DL-DVD DVD-R-DL from TY. or anyone else??

Are these good enough for you? http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/ritek-ridata-8-5gb-dual-double-layer-4x-dvd-r-white-inkjet-printable-dvd-media-25?filter=Layer%3DDual+Layer&max=15&offset=0
I bought some of these a little over a month ago, and I can say, using my Panasonic DVD recorders, that these are without doubt poor quality. I just put one in last night that I burned about three weeks ago. Right after I burned it, I put it in my DVD (and BluRay) player, and it worked just fine. Yesterday, it appeared blank. There was no content recoverable from it. It's just weird. Maybe these would work in a PC DVD drive, but in my recorder, they are useless. I would be really annoyed, but I didn't put anything of imporance on them.

Are these (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/microboards-dvd-plus-r-dl-media-disc-8-5gb-8x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-dvd-double-layer-medd-10004-50pk?filter=brand%3DMICROBOARDS&max=15&offset=0) any good?

I've never used dual-layer discs myself, but there's been some discussion on here lately about good ones being about as hard to find as reliable domestic help. ;)

Are these (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/microboards-dvd-plus-r-dl-media-disc-8-5gb-8x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-dvd-double-layer-medd-10004-50pk?filter=brand%3DMICROBOARDS&max=15&offset=0) any good?

I've never used dual-layer discs myself, but there's been some discussion on here lately about good ones being about as hard to find as reliable domestic help. ;)
+R DL are very readily available, and quality is something for others to discuss...I know I am looking for -R DL, and right now there once seems to be the 1 type Ridata...

Are these (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/microboards-dvd-plus-r-dl-media-disc-8-5gb-8x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-dvd-double-layer-medd-10004-50pk?filter=brand%3DMICROBOARDS&max=15&offset=0) any good?

I've never used dual-layer discs myself, but there's been some discussion on here lately about good ones being about as hard to find as reliable domestic help. ;)

+R DL are very readily available, and quality is something for others to discuss...I know I am looking for -R DL, and right now there once seems to be the 1 type Ridata...
I have no idea if those are good or bad. Microboards does not make their own disks, so they are getting them from some source. If its Verbatim, they could be okay, but if its from any other source, I would be cautious. There is no way to know for sure without examining the hub code.

There are three sources of -R DL disks. In the US ther is the Ritek brand, and the Verbatim brand. The Riteks can be had for about a buck a piece, see here (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/ritek-ridata-8-5gb-dual-double-layer-4x-dvd-r-white-inkjet-printable-dvd-media-25?filter=Layer%3DDual+Layer&max=15&offset=0), the Verbatims can be FIVE dollars a piece, or more, see here (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/verbatim-4x-dual-double-layer-95165-3pk?filter=Layer%3DDual+Layer&max=15&offset=0). The third source I found was from the UK, where JVC Taiyo-Yuden DVD-R DL disks can be purchased for about $2.05 per disk here (http://www.carouselmedia.com/category-11970/JVC56162.html). I have purchased form Carousel Media, and the items arrived faster than I would have guessed, in good condition. The proced ot $2.05 is the actual cost per disk that was charged to my credit card.

Yes, quality DVD -R DL disks are hard to find.:(

I have no idea if those are good or bad. Microboards does not make their own disks, so they are getting them from some source. If its Verbatim, they could be okay, but if its from any other source, I would be cautious. There is no way to know for sure without examining the hub code.

There are three sources of -R DL disks. In the US ther is the Ritek brand, and the Verbatim brand. The Riteks can be had for about a buck a piece, see here (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/ritek-ridata-8-5gb-dual-double-layer-4x-dvd-r-white-inkjet-printable-dvd-media-25?filter=Layer%3DDual+Layer&max=15&offset=0), the Verbatims can be FIVE dollars a piece, or more, see here (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/verbatim-4x-dual-double-layer-95165-3pk?filter=Layer%3DDual+Layer&max=15&offset=0). The third source I found was from the UK, where JVC Taiyo-Yuden DVD-R DL disks can be purchased for about $2.05 per disk here (http://www.carouselmedia.com/category-11970/JVC56162.html). I have purchased form Carousel Media, and the items arrived faster than I would have guessed, in good condition. The proced ot $2.05 is the actual cost per disk that was charged to my credit card.

Yes, quality DVD -R DL disks are hard to find.:(

i wont pay 5 dollars a disc, but 2.05 intrigues me..especially with t-y having good quality

my issue is that i record my U-Michigan football games on my EH55 in SP this year and then dub them to a -D DL disc, I THEN pop that disc into my computer to make a copy for a friend (and also to quasi-verify that I can make dubs in the future). I have noticed that there are times where my computer isnt making dubs.

I am using cyberlink dvd suite to make those dubs (does it really matter what i use there)

anyways i was thinking of getting one of those stand alone 1:1 duplicators, not sure if they do RAM discs or DL media

my old way was to record the game in XP speed, edit out all of the commercials and such, FR them to a RAM, then hi-speed back to HDD and zip down to a -R, (it's more time consuming, and I end up with 2:40 or so FR quality which is less than SP quality)

anyways any pointers are appreciated

does the exchange rate ever fluctuate with this British ordering? 200 bucks is a lot of cheese, and 2 dollars is an expensive coaster, I didnt like paying 2 bucks for a RAM disc, and at least those can be re-formatted and such

does the exchange rate ever fluctuate with this British ordering? 200 bucks is a lot of cjheese, and 2 dollars is an expensive coaster, I didnt like paying 2 bucks for a RAM disc, and at least those can be re-formatted and such
I used my Visa card, and was charged the UK rate in Pounds, which was converted into dollars using the instantaneous exchange rate at the moment the charge went through.

Why are you not using the Verbatim +R DL disks on your EH55? They are very reliable and no more expensive than the Ritek's, which in my experience, using mt EH55, are nothing but landfill. (My experience, others may have better luck with them than I have had.) I would be using the Verbatim exclusively, except for the issue I have with my BluRay player. It will play -R DL disks, but not +R DL disks.:( No, I don't know why!

I used my Visa card, and was charged the UK rate in Pounds, which was converted into dollars using the instantaneous exchange rate at the moment the charge went through.

Why are you not using the Verbatim +R DL disks on your EH55? They are very reliable and no more expensive than the Ritek's, which in my experience, using mt EH55, are nothing but landfill. (My experience, others may have better luck with them than I have had.) I would be using the Verbatim exclusively, except for the issue I have with my BluRay player. It will play -R DL disks, but not +R DL disks.:( No, I don't know why!

Of course i TRIED +R DL's, and they will burn from my 55 ok, but when i want to make a copy of that disc via my computer, it usually fails. ( I have a large collection, and need to be able to make dubs in hi-speed- friends/make a few bucks..etc)

I used to do everything in RAM, but that got to be a little pricey, I DO love the extra capacity and better quality of the DL format (plus I dont ahve to spend 30 minutes editing every commercial out).

If i could seemlessly use +R DL's, i would be more than happy to as they are both cheaper and more readily available...could it possibly be the dubbing software I am using?

Of course i TRIED +R DL's, and they will burn from my 55 ok, but when i want to make a copy of that disc via my computer, it usually fails.....

...If i could seemlessly use +R DL's, i would be more than happy to as they are both cheaper and more readily available...could it possibly be the dubbing software I am using?

I would suggest a cheap duplicator from places like SMS. They run a basic 1x1 on sale for $100 and I have nothing but good words about it. It duplicates +R DL just fine but does take 27 minutes(with Verbatim 2.4x) vs ~5 minutes for a regular R). The only time I use my PC for copies is if the DVD has encryption(the Copy Pal will copy MV'd DVDs but not encrypted) or when I want to reauthor or compress a DL DVD onto a SL DVD. Copying and burning a 2.4x on my PC takes ~1hr so the duplicator is the way to go:)

If i could seemlessly use +R DL's, i would be more than happy to as they are both cheaper and more readily available...could it possibly be the dubbing software I am using?Yes, I would think so. google and download a copy of the free ImgBurn. This is probably the best ripper/burner out there. Use ImgBurn to rip an .ISO copy of the +DL to your HDD then use ImgBurn to burn it back to another +DL. ImgBurn will even let you choose a new layer break position, if you want to, and it will verify the burn against the .ISO.

For +DL, use only Verbatim +DL. They run about $1 each in quantity.

my issue is that i record my U-Michigan football games on my EH55 in SP this year and then dub them to a -D DL disc,

I agree with the others, that your best bet is to get a duplicator, or new software, so you can use Verb +RDLs. That's what I use.

But, if you do wind up with JVC-TY -RDLs, they are gold. So, get a DVD label printer, with a blue cartridge, and you're good to go... :)

I would suggest a cheap duplicator from places like SMS. They run a basic 1x1 on sale for $100 and I have nothing but good words about it. It duplicates +R DL just fine but does take 27 minutes(with Verbatim 2.4x) vs ~5 minutes for a regular R). The only time I use my PC for copies is if the DVD has encryption(the Copy Pal will copy MV'd DVDs but not encrypted) or when I want to reauthor or compress a DL DVD onto a SL DVD. Copying and burning a 2.4x on my PC takes ~1hr so the duplicator is the way to go:)


I did a quick search and saw there are quite a few at 200 or less (my budget), how big of a deal if having one of those LCD displays
should I just go with the $100 model, or is there a feature /quality where i should spend a teeny big more and get something else
I am very interested in a unit that can do all formats +/- r/RW RAM and both DL formats

would it be possible on one of these duplicators to put in a RAM disc and have it copied to a -R disc?

any tips on these units are greatly appreciated

Bill

Yes, I would think so. google and download a copy of the free ImgBurn. This is probably the best ripper/burner out there. Use ImgBurn to rip an .ISO copy of the +DL to your HDD then use ImgBurn to burn it back to another +DL. ImgBurn will even let you choose a new layer break position, if you want to, and it will verify the burn against the .ISO.

For +DL, use only Verbatim +DL. They run about $1 each in quantity.

I thought the +R DL's I've seen are like $15 for a 25 spindle (verbatiums)

or again are we talking different levels of quality?

I agree with the others, that your best bet is to get a duplicator, or new software, so you can use Verb +RDLs. That's what I use.

But, if you do wind up with JVC-TY -RDLs, they are gold. So, get a DVD label printer, with a blue cartridge, and you're good to go... :)

Sorry, I dont do anything fancy with my discs, other than the memorex dvd CD marker (although i see where u were going)

now is someone now going to inform me that using these will harm the discs?

I did a quick search and saw there are quite a few at 200 or less (my budget), how big of a deal if having one of those LCD displays
should I just go with the $100 model, or is there a feature /quality where i should spend a teeny big more and get something else
I am very interested in a unit that can do all formats +/- r/RW RAM and both DL formats

would it be possible on one of these duplicators to put in a RAM disc and have it copied to a -R disc?

any tips on these units are greatly appreciated

Bill
This isn't really the thread to go to far off topic and start discussing duplicators but this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1183912&highlight=duplicator) one seems to be the largest one going. AFAIK no duplicators work with RAM discs, you'd have to look at the specs. Also I've had no problems going from one disc type to another, regular R to RW, RW to R, etc.
At first I really wanted a duplicator with a LCD(which generally gives you options like selecting burn speed, read speed, disc verify, etc.) but when SMS had the basic model on sale for $99(almost 1/2 price of the LCD models) I struck and have been quite happy. The basic models just do a simple copy, that's it, but does a good job at that.

I thought the +R DL's I've seen are like $15 for a 25 spindle (verbatiums)

or again are we talking different levels of quality?
If you ever see Verbatim 2.4x +R DL's for much less than $1/disc go for it, $1 is generally the standard. I've seen a 50 spindle for the lower $40s which again is a good deal if you need that quantity. I always use the 2.4x instead of 8x because I believe slower is better in the long run than faster speed discs and I think around here 2.4x seems to be the preferred choice.

Also I've had no problems going from one disc type to another, regular R to RW, RW to R, etc.



At first I really wanted a duplicator with a LCD(which generally gives you options like selecting burn speed, read speed, disc verify, etc.) but when SMS had the basic model on sale for $99(almost 1/2 price of the LCD models) I struck and have been quite happy. The basic models just do a simple copy, that's it, but does a good job at that..
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can you ever go from minus to plus...or vice versa?
any difference between copypal and copypal II?

...can you ever go from minus to plus...or vice versa?
any difference between copypal and copypal II?

I only use - media so maybe someone else can answer your first question(although I don't see why it wouldn't work) and for your second, I'm not sure the difference, I have the $99 Copypal II(maybe it's a newer version of the original??).

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can you ever go from minus to plus...or vice versa?
any difference between copypal and copypal II?

I have a CopyPal that I began using on 29 March 2010.

I use nothing but TY 8x Premium Line DVD-R discs as master DVDs.

I've primarily used 16x DVD-R discs as the "give away" copies. The DVD-R format is compatible with the wide variety of DVD players, especially older players. I estimate that I've given away around 1,200 DVD-R discs duplicated with my CopyPal.

Once in a while I've used 16x DVD+R discs as "give away" copies when I know that the recipient has a recent model DVD player. My two year old spindle of 100 Sony DVD+R discs still has around 75 discs left to be used. If this spindle were to have been of the DVD-R format they would be long gone by now. But there the DVD+R spindle sits, collecting dust.

DVD+R media was first recognized by the DVD Forum as an "official" DVD format on 25 January 2008.

The photo shows a portion of my next use "give away" duplication stock, an open spindle of Verbatim 16x Life Series DVD-R (CMC), a sealed spindle and a half used spindle of DataRight 16x DVD-R (Moser Baer), two unopened spindles of Maxell 16x DVD-R (Ritek) and the little-used spindle of Sony 16x DVD+R discs. The boxes behind the spindles contain Taiyo Yuden 8x Premium Line DVD-R discs for archival use. The small pizza boxes at the right contain retired Panasonic DVD Drives, i.e., "clunkers."

I only use - media so maybe someone else can answer your first question(although I don't see why it wouldn't work) and for your second, I'm not sure the difference, I have the $99 Copypal II(maybe it's a newer version of the original??).


best prices i have seen are 99 for copypal and 129 for copypal II; so I'm thinking there IS a difference

I'm in no hurry, so maybe I should wait for a discount to kick in....

best prices i have seen are 99 for copypal and 129 for copypal II; so I'm thinking there IS a difference

I'm in no hurry, so maybe I should wait for a discount to kick in....

In the photo my CopyPal is seen at the lower left.

Can you record2-3 dvd9 on 25gb blurry abd watch them as DVDs back to back?

Can you record2-3 dvd9 on 25gb blurry abd watch them as DVDs back to back?Yes, 5 DVD-5 or 2.5 DVD-9 will fit on a BD-R if you author it properly. Check out MultiAVCHD (http://www.videohelp.com/tools/multiAVCHD)for doing this. And, of course, you need a BD burner and a BD-player.

Might not be the greatest deal ever on them, but it's better than what SMC has them going for right now, for someone who needs them:

200 Taiyo-Yuden 8x DVD-R Silver Thermal Lacquer in cake box - $58.00 (free shipping):

www.buy.com/prod/200-taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-silver-thermal-lacquer-in-cake-box/212002529.html

Might not be the greatest deal ever on them, but it's better than what SMC has them going for right now, for someone who needs them:

200 Taiyo-Yuden 8x DVD-R Silver Thermal Lacquer in cake box - $58.00 (free shipping):

www.buy.com/prod/200-taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-silver-thermal-lacquer-in-cake-box/212002529.html


29 cents apiece isn't all that great?

In the photo my CopyPal is seen at the lower left.
was there any significant upgrade to copy pal 2?

29 cents apiece isn't all that great?Well, yeah, I would think so, but we've got some pretty tough customers around here. ;)

I just wanted to state to everyone here how much I love the term "landfill grade"..... :D

Well, yeah, I would think so, but we've got some pretty tough customers around here. ;)


so in the past 1-2 years....how much better than that has been seen?

so in the past 1-2 years....how much better than that has been seen?No, probably before that. I lose track of time pretty easily - becoming more scatterbrained with age.

Those only say T-Y, and not JVC.....I wonder?

I've been seeing Ty 8x shinny top premium grade discs for $25 shipped. A few weeks ago they were $25/100 and included 100 free white paper sleeves(I ordered 200) then a couple days later I ordered 200 more(realized this was a very good deal). A week and a 1/2 ago they had 200/$50 shipped so I ordered 400 more, I'm sitting pretty good now:)
My standard use to be $20(or less) for Verbatim 16x AZOs, I haven't seen them for this for a while so now I've switched to Tys at $25/100.
SMS hasn't had the $25/100 sale this week but I'd expect it anytime. With their recent $50 minimum for free shipping it makes you buy 200 except the special they had a few weeks ago where they specifically said the Tys were $25/100 including shipping:)

if you buy 1,200 you can find them for .25/each

http://www.discmakers.com/shop/ItemDetails.aspx?ItemID=DVD033-00001

if you buy 1,200 you can find them for .25/each

http://www.discmakers.com/shop/ItemDetails.aspx?ItemID=DVD033-00001

Yes, but what do they charge for shipping?

SMS used to offer free shipping on purchases more than $25 but lately has been offering free shipping on purchases more than $50.

I've purchased many a TY shipping box (600 DVDs per box) from SMS. Lately I've been purchasing smaller quantities, orders of 200 DVDs every month and a half.

The attached March 2010 photo shows three boxes (still full today) of Taiyo Yuden 8x Premium Line DVD-R discs. Lately my second daily use Panasonic DMR-EH50 sits atop the Magnavox 2160A seen at the left.

was there any significant upgrade to copy pal 2?

I just wanted to state to everyone here how much I love the term "landfill grade"..... :D
you mean aside from the different color scheme? :DThe CopyPal and CopyPal II have the exact same description, right down to the typo. I don't know if there are any differences. I assumed the CopyPal was replaced by the CopyPal II with newer drives and/or firmware, but now that they are both available at the same time, I am at a loss. Call and ask maybe? They both are at $140 from Supermediastore right now.

As far as duplicating a -R to a +R disk, I am testing that right now. The CopyPal did not complain when I started the copy operation, and it completed without a problem. The +R disk played back just fine on my $30 Walmart DVD player, so I guess it can do this.

"Landfill Grade" has been used many times by many sources. It's mentioned in the DVD FAQ. That category is expanding!:(

According the the SMS web page, formats suppoertd are: DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD-RW, DVD-R DL, DVD+R DL. No mention of -RAM, which did not surprise me at all. What does surprise me is, when I put two -RAM dsks into my CopyPal, it did NOT complain and kick out the things. :eek: It is taking a very long time in copying... (no, I didn't time it and I don't want to do it again to time it either) When it completes, IF it completes, I'll let you know if it worked.:eek:

can you put in a RAM, and spit out a -r?

can you put in a RAM, and spit out a -r?

The disparity in disc density/capacity would prevent that from working. The CopyPal would gag and spit out one or both of those discs.

The disparity in disc density/capacity would prevent that from working. The CopyPal would gag and spit out one or both of those discs.


difference in capacity between a ram and a -R?...thought they were all 4.7 GB discs

can you go from a SL to a DL or vice versa?

can you put in a RAM, and spit out a -r?
Man, it's always something isn't it.

The -RAM to -RAM copy finally completed and it certainly appeared to work properly! I am AMAZED!!!! The "target" disk was not blank when I put it in the CopyPal, and it seems to have erased the original content and replaced it with the content from the source disk. I would have BET that it wouldn't have worked, or maybe even damaged the disk, but not so, it worked!

The thing TRIED to make a copy of a -RAM to a -R, and it completed, but the disk it spit out was not useable. It didn't signal an error (four beeps) but it was unable to make a useable -R either. So note to self, don't do that!:D

Man, it's always something isn't it.

The -RAM to -RAM copy finally completed and it certainly appeared to work properly! I am AMAZED!!!! The "target" disk was not blank when I put it in the CopyPal, and it seems to have erased the original content and replaced it with the content from the source disk. I would have BET that it wouldn't have worked, or maybe even damaged the disk, but not so, it worked!

The thing TRIED to make a copy of a -RAM to a -R, and it completed, but the disk it spit out was not useable. It didn't signal an error (four beeps) but it was unable to make a useable -R either. So note to self, don't do that!:D


thanks for the effort, I have done the RAM to -R dub via my computer, the disc that comes out cannot be played on my DMR EH 55, but for some reason, IS playable on my dvd player (panny 5 disc model from 2007)

interesting

There is very little reason to do a copy like this with a -RAM disk. The content can be losslessly copied to the hard drive of any Panasonic DVD recorder, then again, losslessly copied to a -R blank. Yes, it's an extra step, but it is easily doable.

just trying to save wear and tear on my recorder......

Yeah, I get it.

Amazon.com has the Verbatim 97460 4.7 GB up to 16x AZO Branded Recordable Disc DVD-R (100 spindle) for $19.99 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZDNZT2/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details) in Frustrationg-Free Packaging. Buy 2 spindles and get free shipping. They ship Fed-Ex to me here in HI. Just ordered 2 more spindles.

Staples stores in Canada have the Verbatim AZO 16x DVD-R discs (95102), 100-disc spindle, on sale for $24.93. Made in India. +R also at that price from November 2-15. I got it slightly cheaper at a nearby Future Shop for $24.43 using their pricebeat policy. To my surprise, there were two spindles made in Taiwan on the shelf there. Likely old stock.

I just bought two 100 disc spindles of "Taiyo Yuden/JVC 8x 4.7GB DVD-R Silver Thermal" DVDs from Amazon. About $28. Super saver status due to the total price, and so no shipping costs.

SuperMediaStore has the Premium TY White Inkjet Hub Printable 8X DVD-R 100 Pack (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/taiyo-yuden-white-inkjet-printable-8x-dvd-r-media-100) for $34.95 and free shipping. I've been waiting for these discs to go on sale. Should I hold out for a better deal or is this as good as it gets?

It's a good deal for the printable tops although if you can handle the finger print magnet(shinny tops) $25 shipped is my standard. I really detest the shinny tops but not enough to pay $10 more for the flat tops:)

It's a good deal for the printable tops although if you can handle the finger print magnet(shinny tops) $25 shipped is my standard. I really detest the shinny tops but not enough to pay $10 more for the flat tops:)

Thanks. I need inkjet printable so I guess I have an excuse not to get fingerprint magnets. I'll go with the white ones.

I just ordered the discs at SMS. Something screwy happened while making the order. The prices changed sometime after I added the items to the cart but before I completed checkout.

I ordered two of the 100 pack TY printable DVDs at $34.95 each and added two 100 pack 85 gram paper sleeves at $2.49 each to the order. The total should have been $74.88. There was a promo code (PC3D) for $3 off any order over $30 so that brings it down to $71.88. At checkout they showed the discs being $31.46 each and the paper sleeves $1.99 each. They took off the $3 promo after that making the total $63.89. I double checked the order and the items are correct.

^^^Well, at least they went down rather than up.

Optical Quantum BD-R down to $0.90/disk at SMS (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pk).
That's the equivalent of $0.18/DVD-R.

Make that $0.80/disk if you buy a 50 pack (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-4x-blu-ray-media-logo-top-50pk).
That's a $0.16/DVD-R equivalent.

Philips media code; haven't burned a bad disk yet that wasn't my fault.
Loves the $80 LG BD burners (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136226).

What are you all waiting for?

$80 LG BD burners (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136226).
What are you all waiting for?

I might be looking for one of those very soon. I made a bunch of coasters before I figured out what was going on. I first blamed it on the cheap Memorex discs so I tried again with some Sony +Rs but those failed too. Then I thought about how many other discs I successfully burned from the same packages. I downloaded the latest version of imgburn and still got failed burns. I started playing with settings and got successful burns after changing the burn speed to 4X. It doesn't sound like the discs are slipping so I think the drive is dying. I'll know after the TY discs arrive.

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Loves the $80 LG BD burners (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136226).

What are you all waiting for?[/QUOTE]

I got the HD tivo because of your glowing report , thank-you very much ,the LG BD burner because of your glowing report ,thank-you again.
Now all i need is a detailed explanation on how to put my saved Hd and mpeg videos on the disk. I have went to the site you recommend but i hope you will be able explain it so i can understand it better.
Thanks Joe

... I recently (finally) bought a much faster i7 Quad-core PC so I can actually do these things.

Wow you jumped from a model T to Ferrari:cool: No messing around with the i3 or i4 for you eh?
Congratulations on your new toy.
Oh and since this is the medial deals thread, and to keep my post OT, Costco has their 16x Sony printable DVDs $10 off which in my area brings them down to $18/100. Note while I've had good luck with these discs in most of my Panasonic standalones(and PC) they slip badly in one of my EH-50s. Just today I tried one again today in that Panny and immediately upon inserting the disc it ground terribly. I ejected the DVD and put in a Verbatim(life series even) and NO grinding:confused: Oh and of course Ty 8x shinny tops NEVER grind either. Sony 16x pearl top DVDs also grind in this particular machine so something must be incompatible between the Sony discs and that Panny:(
I feel better about long term use with the Sony DVDs vs. life series Verbatims but if I can't get past the initial burn it does me no good. I don't worry at all with the AZO Verbs but I'm currently out and am probably going to switch to Tys unless I get a <$20 deal(shipped) on the AZOs.

Now all i need is a detailed explanation on how to put my saved Hd and mpeg videos on the disk. I have went to the site you recommend but i hope you will be able explain it so i can understand it better.
Thanks Joe
I assume you mean using multi-AVCHD. There are guides for it on VideoHelp.com. I want to experiment with putting a full seasons episodes on a BD-R and that includes recoding the TiVo HD MPEG-2 files as H.263/AVC to shrink them down without losing PQ. I recently (finally) bought a much faster i7 Quad-core PC so I can actually do these things.

Wow you jumped from a model T to Ferrari:cool: No messing around with the i3 or i4 for you eh?When you buy a new PC once every 8-9 years, you might as well go top of the line. Dell had a good deal. It came with 12GB of RAM and this monster-sized video card that takes up two slots and has it's own fan. So now I finally have a machine that is powerful enough to watch a ripped BluRay.

That's one way to do it. Personally I end up purchasing a new lower middle of the line PC every 5-6 years:) My 2 year old PC only has 4GB memory, a slower processor and not nearly as nice of a video card as yours.
BTW people are going to wonder how I was able to quote your post(in post #2576) even though it was after mine(2577):D

Let them wonder. ;)

BTW people are going to wonder how I was able to quote your post(in post #2576) even though it was after mine(2577):D

Post #21199479, which jjeff quoted from, was posted earlier and appears to have been deleted, probably by Kelson as he decided to repost later.

Am I right?

Yes, thats exactly what happened:cool:

Spydy

That is a brilliant thing to do, :cool: sincerely. Wow!
You are so organized I bet you wear days of the week underwear. I used to but there was no Sunday. It made going to church really uncomfortable. :o

LOL! hahahaha!:D

^^^Well, at least they went down rather than up.

Optical Quantum BD-R down to $0.90/disk at SMS (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pk).
That's the equivalent of $0.18/DVD-R.

Make that $0.80/disk if you buy a 50 pack (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-4x-blu-ray-media-logo-top-50pk).
That's a $0.16/DVD-R equivalent.

Philips media code; haven't burned a bad disk yet that wasn't my fault.
Loves the $80 LG BD burners (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136226).

What are you all waiting for?
Of course, I didn't read this until the 14th, and the sale was over on the 13th.:(

Sigh...

Of course, I didn't read this until the 14th, and the sale was over on the 13th.:(

Sigh...Keep watching. They'll run it again, then you cash in. I'll post a notice here next time I see it. You do the same.

Fry's is clearing out Sony 2x DVD-RW 5-Packs for $3.99. These should be good for older recorders like my Toshiba XS34.

Wow, no one mentioned this great cyber Monday great deal?
http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-dvd-r-8x-silver-thermal-dvd-recordable-single-layer-media-jdmr-zz-sb8-100pk?utm_source=emailSonic&utm_content=Media&utm_medium=campaign&utm_term=DV%20001%203782&utm_campaign=111128%20Cyber%20Monday%20Savings
$22.99 for 100 premium Ty 8x -R lacquer top DVD! I'm in for 600:o On orders over $50 (3 spindles at this price) free shipping:) Today only!

I bought 3 spindles about an hour ago. Great deal with free shipping.

I just ordered 2 of these 100-packs + I ordered a 6-pack of Epson ink to get the free shipping at $50. These disks say they have a silver thermal surface. Several years ago I bought a Casio CW-100 Disk Title Printer but I have never used it. Does anyone know if these TY's will work in this Casio Printer and not be destroyed? By the way these 200 disks are for use in my new SupermediaStore.com DVD 1 X 3 duplicator. I think they should work in it?

Dave

They will work just fine in the duplicator, not quite as fast as 16x store bought media but better all around.
AFA your Casio printer, I believe Church AV Guy has a similar printer, maybe he'll see your question.

I have a Casio printer, and a SMS 1>3 DVD duplicator, with HDD,and I use Ty -R silver thermal lacquer DVDs. Works fine, all around.

http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-dvd-r-8x-silver-thermal-dvd-recordable-single-layer-media-jdmr-zz-sb8-100pk?utm_source=emailSonic&utm_content=Media&utm_medium=campaign&utm_term=DV%20001%203782&utm_campaign=111128%20Cyber%20Monday%20Savings
$22.99 for 100 premium Ty 8x -R lacquer top DVD! ... Today only!

Appears this offer has been extended through Nov 30th.

I have a Casio printer, and a SMS 1>3 DVD duplicator, with HDD,and I use Ty -R silver thermal lacquer DVDs. Works fine, all around.

Thank You guys for easing my mind. The instruction book on the Casio printer states that the disks should be printed on BEFORE burning. I am wondering if this is really necessary. If you have printed on a disk that was already burned, did that destroy the disk?

The reason I have never used the printer is that same instruction books says that disks with raised lines or letters will cause the printer to print poorly. At the time that I bought the printer, all of my disks had raised letters so I never tried it. At that time I bought extra colored ribbons from J&R I think. They are getting old now. Has anyone bought Casio printer ribbons recently?

Dave

For Canadians London Drugs has the

50 packs of 16x AZO Verbatim –R for $12.99 until Dec 26 2011 (http://www.londondrugs.com/Cultures/en-US/Product+Detail/Computers.htm?BreadCrumbs=Computers;Computers;CD-Rs,%20DVDs,%20and%20Diskettes;Recordable%20DVDs&ProductID=1374537&ProductTab=3&MSCSProfile=&UserPref=)

50 packs of 16x AZO Verbatim +R for $12.99 until Dec 26 2011 (http://www.londondrugs.com/Cultures/en-US/Product+Detail/Computers.htm?BreadCrumbs=Computers;Computers;CD-Rs,%20DVDs,%20and%20Diskettes;Recordable%20DVDs&ProductID=2167674&ProductTab=3&MSCSProfile=&UserPref=)

online and walk in price.

Thank You guys for easing my mind. The instruction book on the Casio printer states that the disks should be printed on BEFORE burning. I am wondering if this is really necessary. If you have printed on a disk that was already burned, did that destroy the disk?

The reason I have never used the printer is that same instruction books says that disks with raised lines or letters will cause the printer to print poorly. At the time that I bought the printer, all of my disks had raised letters so I never tried it. At that time I bought extra colored ribbons from J&R I think. They are getting old now. Has anyone bought Casio printer ribbons recently?

Dave

I printed a couple after burning, and they played fine. But, to be on the safe side, I almost always print before burning. I print on the Tys, which have no lettering, or raised areas. When I have to print on Verb +R DLs, I am careful to line up the disc so that it doesn't print across the lines, and I get acceptable copies. There can be a bit of variation when it prints on a line that is already on the disc.

It's been a while since I bought cartridges. A few months back, someone on the forum claimed that they weren't going to be made any more, and they were hard to find. Well, they weren't hard to find, but I ordered a bunch. They are much cheaper in 3-packs. Sometimes Blue (acceptable to me) is a lot cheaper than Black, sometimes not. Usually, 3-Packs with 3 different colors are the cheapest. Look them up on Amazon, get the number, and google that, to find the cheapest deal. Unfortunately, SMS doesn't carry them.

Thank You guys for easing my mind. The instruction book on the Casio printer states that the disks should be printed on BEFORE burning. I am wondering if this is really necessary. If you have printed on a disk that was already burned, did that destroy the disk?

The reason I have never used the printer is that same instruction books says that disks with raised lines or letters will cause the printer to print poorly. At the time that I bought the printer, all of my disks had raised letters so I never tried it. At that time I bought extra colored ribbons from J&R I think. They are getting old now. Has anyone bought Casio printer ribbons recently?

Dave
I don't know about the printing before/after burning issue. In my experience, it doesn't matter, but they would not mention it if there wasn't at least a theoretical reason for printing first. The printer holds the disk pretty tightly, maybe it would have an effect on the dye layer?

As far as the "disks with raised lines or letters" not printing well, that is very much confirmed in my experience. For that reason, the shiny surface T-Ys are perfect for that printer. Any surface features that have a multi level area will drastically ruin the print quality. As kjbawc says, if you have such lettering on your disks, you can minimize the problem by carefully placing the printed area on a flat part of the disk.

That carbon film ribbon has been used in more printers than just the Casio disk printer, so they will likely be availabel for some time. I doubt that they age quickly, but I don't really know about the specific ribbon technology, so I could be mistaken. I bought a whole bunch of them a while back, so if they deteriorate with age, many of those I bought will be going bad before I can use them.:(

I don't know about the printing before/after burning issue. In my experience, it doesn't matter, but they would not mention it if there wasn't at least a theoretical reason for printing first. The printer holds the disk pretty tightly, maybe it would have an effect on the dye layer?

As far as the "disks with raised lines or letters" not printing well, that is very much confirmed in my experience. For that reason, the shiny surface T-Ys are perfect for that printer. Any surface features that have a multi level area will drastically ruin the print quality. As kjbawc says, if you have such lettering on your disks, you can minimize the problem by carefully placing the printed area on a flat part of the disk.

That carbon film ribbon has been used in more printers than just the Casio disk printer, so they will likely be availabel for some time. I doubt that they age quickly, but I don't really know about the specific ribbon technology, so I could be mistaken. I bought a whole bunch of them a while back, so if they deteriorate with age, many of those I bought will be going bad before I can use them.:(

Oops...I just tried the "Multi Quote" button but I see I only got Church AV Guy and missed kjbawc. I obviously don't know how to use this feature. Thanks to both of you guys for educating me. I will try to print before burning.

I just looked up my purchase of Casio ribbons in Dec. 2004 from J&R Music. I bought 3 black, 2 blue, 2 red, 2 green and 1 silver for about $8 each plus $5 S&H for the lot. I hope they are still good. If so I should be good for the 200 Silver Ty's that I just bought. I suspect the silver printer ribbon won't look good on the Silver Ty's, hehe.

Dave

Taiyo 8x DVD-R premium cakebox (100) back at supermedia store today.... $22.99 ... free shipping for over $50

Appears this offer has been extended through Nov 30th.

My flyer now says Dec 4th

...I just looked up my purchase of Casio ribbons in Dec. 2004 from J&R Music. I bought 3 black, 2 blue, 2 red, 2 green and 1 silver for about $8 each plus $5 S&H for the lot. I hope they are still good. If so I should be good for the 200 Silver Ty's that I just bought. I suspect the silver printer ribbon won't look good on the Silver Ty's, hehe.
Dave
Oh, and Dave, I DID forget to mention that those ribbons are pretty expensive. If you are "liberal" and write two lables per disk (top and bottom) the actual cost per disk can be pretty high. The disks are less than $0.30 each, so if it costs $8.00 per ribbon and acording to the description: "ribbon will print up to 50 CDs using one print area," that could cost you over $0.15 per disk just for the printing!:eek: Amazon.com has a three pack of the ribbons for $20.37 making it 13.5 cents per disk.

I took one of those ribbon critridges apart once to examine it, and the actual carbon used is a very small percentage of the total area. There is a lot of waste. They do work though.

Wow, no one mentioned this great cyber Monday great deal?
http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-dvd-r-8x-silver-thermal-dvd-recordable-single-layer-media-jdmr-zz-sb8-100pk?utm_source=emailSonic&utm_content=Media&utm_medium=campaign&utm_term=DV%20001%203782&utm_campaign=111128%20Cyber%20Monday%20Savings
$22.99 for 100 premium Ty 8x -R lacquer top DVD! I'm in for 600:o On orders over $50 (3 spindles at this price) free shipping:) Today only!

Appears this offer has been extended through Nov 30th.

My flyer now says Dec 4th
Today (Dec 1), the SMS web site says it expires Dec 4. Interesting that yesterday, the web site said "sold out". This morning, it says "in stock". You have to love the immediacy of the internet.

Today (Dec 1), the SMS web site says it expires Dec 4. Interesting that yesterday, the web site said "sold out". This morning, it says "in stock". You have to love the immediacy of the internet.
They had 689 spindles in stock at 10:45am and are now down to 677.

Oh, and Dave, I DID forget to mention that those ribbons are pretty expensive. If you are "liberal" and write two lables per disk (top and bottom) the actual cost per disk can be pretty high. The disks are less than $0.30 each, so if it costs $8.00 per ribbon and acording to the description: "ribbon will print up to 50 CDs using one print area," that could cost you over $0.15 per disk just for the printing!:eek: Amazon.com has a three pack of the ribbons for $20.37 making it 13.5 cents per disk.

Funny you should quote the per DVD cost for labeling DVDs. For the first time today I did something I had never done, I figured out what it costs me to label my DVDs.....it actually costs me more to label my DVDs that the actual DVDs themselves:eek: using a good approximate number of DVDs/cartridge it costs me 33 cents/DVD to label them. Up to this year I never paid more than 20 cents/DVD and even now with 8x Tys I don't spend over 25 cents delivered. The realization I spend more to label than the actual DVD was kind of depressing:(
For my large VHS to DVD conversion project(1000+ DVDs will be used) I decided from the beginning to not label my DVDs but just use a Sharpie. After figuring the cost I'm glad I did, it would have cost me more than $330 to just label the DVDs:eek:

They had 689 spindles in stock at 10:45am and are now down to 677.
Digado hasn't placed his order yet......wait for that number to drop like a rock:D

...Digado hasn't placed his order yet......wait for that number to drop like a rock:D

Yes I have, but only three spindles:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21275867#post21275867

I'm just maintaining the on-hand stock level.

They had 689 spindles in stock at 10:45am and are now down to 677.
I'd like to take advantage of this offer, BUT, my inventory currently is about 2400 blank T-Y disks. I really don't need any more yet, and I would have no place to store them. This is a very good deal. I hope JVC T-Y keep up the quality and don't start sacrificing it for cost.:(

I'd like to take advantage of this offer, BUT, my inventory currently is about 2400 blank T-Y disks. I really don't need any more yet, and I would have no place to store them. This is a very good deal. I hope JVC T-Y keep up the quality and don't start sacrificing it for cost.:(The Optical Quantum white-top (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pk?max=15&sortBy=price&sortBy=price&maxView=50&offset=0&filter=all) and silver logo-top (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-logo-on-top-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04lt-10-10pk) BD-R are at $0.95/disk at SMS if you buy enough (6 spindles of 10) to qualify for free-shipping.

Now here is what's weird. If you order 6 spindles of either flavor the price is $9.49/spindle ($0.95/disk). If you order a mix of flavors -- i.e. 5 of one and 1 of the other -- the price is $8.99/spindle ($0.90/disk) -- go figure. On top of that, if you buy today, a "PC3D" promo code is available that gives you an extra $3 off. That takes the price for 6 mixed flavor spindles down to $50.95 which still qualifies for free shipping and gives you 60 disks for $0.85/disk.

That's not as good as the earlier ,but expired, $0.80/disk deal I posted to you last month, but is the closest I've seen it come and still pretty good. Based on 5xDVD-R = 1xBD-R that comes in at $0.17/DVD-R equivalent.

Did you get your BD burner hooked up yet?

Now here is what's weird. If you order 6 spindles of either flavor the price is $9.49/spindle ($0.95/disk). If you order a mix of flavors -- i.e. 5 of one and 1 of the other -- the price is $8.99/spindle ($0.90/disk) -- go figure.

I think you found one of their "buy together and save" deals. The same thing happened to me last month when I bought two 100 packs of TY inkjet printable DVD-Rs, then added two 100 pack paper sleeves to the order. They were running the the PC3D promo then too.

I think you found one of their "buy together and save" deals. The same thing happened to me last month when I bought two 100 packs of TY inkjet printable DVD-Rs, then added two 100 pack paper sleeves to the order. They were running the the PC3D promo then too.
I wish they would say something about it on the page rather than discovery by accident. Do you think they do this on purpose or is it just a glitch in their ordering system we can take advantage of.

I wish they would say something about it on the page rather than discovery by accident. Do you think they do this on purpose or is it just a glitch in their ordering system we can take advantage of.

Open your first link and look on the right side of the page. Scroll through the buy together deals and you will see an option to buy the other discs as a package deal.

Open your first link and look on the right side of the page. Scroll through the buy together deals and you will see an option to buy the other discs as a package deal.Wow, talk about non-obvious. I usually glance at that box but it never registered on me to scroll through it. Thanks for the heads-up.

Anyway, the deal they list in that side box is not the one that pops up at checkout. If you buy one of each it comes up as $17.98 not $18.98 as listed in the side box.

...Did you get your BD burner hooked up yet?
Oh yes! That took me way over a half an hour, maybe as much as forty minutes.:D really, it was up and running so fast it surprised even me. Since I had my annual Thanksgiving two week vacation form Southern Calinfornia to Minnesota (used to go at Christmas, but one year it was in the 80s when the jet took off, and -20 when it landed--and THAT was the end of Christmas in Minnesota!:D) which put me rather behind in a lot of stuff so I haven't had a chance to use it, but I'm slowly getting back to the stage where I can get the time to do something with it.

The Optical Quantum white-top (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pk?max=15&sortBy=price&sortBy=price&maxView=50&offset=0&filter=all) and silver logo-top (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-logo-on-top-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04lt-10-10pk) BD-R are at $0.95/disk at SMS if you buy enough (6 spindles of 10) to qualify for free-shipping.

Now here is what's weird. If you order 6 spindles of either flavor the price is $9.49/spindle ($0.95/disk). If you order a mix of flavors -- i.e. 5 of one and 1 of the other -- the price is $8.99/spindle ($0.90/disk) -- go figure. On top of that, if you buy today, a "PC3D" promo code is available that gives you an extra $3 off. That takes the price for 6 mixed flavor spindles down to $50.95 which still qualifies for free shipping and gives you 60 disks for $0.85/disk.

That's not as good as the earlier ,but expired, $0.80/disk deal I posted to you last month, but is the closest I've seen it come and still pretty good. Based on 5xDVD-R = 1xBD-R that comes in at $0.17/DVD-R equivalent.
Nice try, but I'm afraid not.:( You forget, or maybe didn't know that I live in California, AND, I will be charged sales tax. That makes the cost per disk just a little over $0.91. Still, that's less than the cost of Verbatim +R DL media, and a LOT less than the JVC T-Y -R DL media.

Oh, and Dave, I DID forget to mention that those ribbons are pretty expensive. If you are "liberal" and write two lables per disk (top and bottom) the actual cost per disk can be pretty high. The disks are less than $0.30 each, so if it costs $8.00 per ribbon and acording to the description: "ribbon will print up to 50 CDs using one print area," that could cost you over $0.15 per disk just for the printing!:eek: Amazon.com has a three pack of the ribbons for $20.37 making it 13.5 cents per disk.

I took one of those ribbon critridges apart once to examine it, and the actual carbon used is a very small percentage of the total area. There is a lot of waste. They do work though.

I've unrolled a few too. Here's my economizing methods:

By in three-packs, they're a lot cheaper.

Google the 3-pk item number. Often, there are cheaper places than Amazon, but be sure and consider the shipping, if any.

Sometimes one color is cheaper than another. Go for the cheaper color, if you find it acceptable.

Keep your labels simple - only use one half of the disc.

Mostly I record movies, many of which are in 1.37:1 OAR. For those, I only put the title on the label, (and the year, when there are other films with the same title.) I use the 2 lines of 24 characters mode. I often split titles over the two lines. This reduces the length of the printing, using less ribbon.

For anamorphic and LB films of different OARs, I have phrases stored in "Phrase Memory." I use the one line - 24 characters, 1 line - 49 characters mode, and put the OAR info on the 49 line.

Typically, I get 60-65 labels per tape.

BTW, I think the reason they say to label first, and burn second, is because the labeler uses heat to transfer the print. Perhaps that could affect the dye.

kjbawc, from someone who uses one these disk labellers, I have to agree with you. Those are all very good suggestions for extending the ribbon, and making the best use of it for the money. Thanks!

I've unrolled a few too. Here's my economizing methods:

By in three-packs, they're a lot cheaper.

Google the 3-pk item number. Often, there are cheaper places than Amazon, but be sure and consider the shipping, if any.

Sometimes one color is cheaper than another. Go for the cheaper color, if you find it acceptable.

Keep your labels simple - only use one half of the disc.

Mostly I record movies, many of which are in 1.37:1 OAR. For those, I only put the title on the label, (and the year, when there are other films with the same title.) I use the 2 lines of 24 characters mode. I often split titles over the two lines. This reduces the length of the printing, using less ribbon.

For anamorphic and LB films of different OARs, I have phrases stored in "Phrase Memory." I use the one line - 24 characters, 1 line - 49 characters mode, and put the OAR info on the 49 line.

Typically, I get 60-65 labels per tape.

BTW, I think the reason they say to label first, and burn second, is because the labeler uses heat to transfer the print. Perhaps that could affect the dye.

Thanks for the tips, I will try to use them. I suppose I should know what "OAR" and "LB" stands for but somehow these terms have eluded me and Google didn't help me much. If you wouldn't mind educating an old guy, please expand a little.

Dave

OAR=Original Aspect Ratio
LB=Letterboxed

OAR=Original Aspect Ratio
LB=Letterboxed

Thanks jjeff, I am a little embarrassed now, I should have been able to figure that out by myself? Maybe too many of my brain cells have slipped away?

Dave

I'm desperately low on Verbatim 2.4x +R DL discs because I haven't seen anyone post any deals lately and I haven't seen any myself. Well yesterday for the heck of it I figured I'd check Amazon to see what the going rate was. To my surprise they had a 50 spindle for $34.95:) They also had the DataLife+ white inkjet series(in the OEM looking spindle) for ~$50/50. I placed 2 of the $34.95 spindles in my cart but didn't order them right away because I wanted to look for other items today. Well upon returning today I was notified their had been a change in my cart price, the spindles went from $34.95 to $50! WTF, a $15 price increase overnight! The DataLife+ went up to $58!
Has anyone else seen this type of thing with Amazon? Why would they be $15 less one day than the next and what is the chance they will be $34.95 in the next month? Dang I sure missed on that one:( It didn't say limited time sale or sale of any kind so I didn't realize timing was a issue, I just figured DL discs were really dropping now that BD media seems to be catching on.
If anybody sees a similar deal on 2.4X DL Verbs please post, Amazon even had free shipping.

I placed 2 of the $34.95 spindles in my cart but didn't order them right away because I wanted to look for other items today. Well upon returning today I was notified their had been a change in my cart price, the spindles went from $34.95 to $50! WTF, a $15 price increase overnight!
You may have missed the $35 special, but the $50 price is still a good deal you might want to take advantage of. I rarely see Verbatim +DL priced at $1/disk let alone below. The prices I observe at the Etailers I monitor typically hover at $1.20-1.25 depending on quantity and whether it is 2.4-6X or 8X. They have been at that price for quite some time as BD-R has been dropping to the $1/disk mark.
Has anyone else seen this type of thing with Amazon? Seriously, who hasn't. Not just Amazon but all over the net. They have access to the same search engines we do to check competitors' pricing. I was just looking in NewEgg on Monday at 2TB HDD's. The prices seemed to be coming down as the flooded factories are coming back on-line. They had a Hitachi 2TB for $110 (free S/H) that sold as high as $230 last month and sold for $80 pre-flood. On Tuesday (and today) I looked again and the same 2TB Hitachi was back up to $150 ($7 S/H).

You may have missed the $35 special, but the $50 price is still a good deal you might want to take advantage of. I rarely see Verbatim +DL priced at $1/disk let alone below. The prices I observe at the Etailers I monitor typically hover at $1.20-1.25 depending on quantity and whether it is 2.4-6X or 8X. They have been at that price for quite some time as BD-R has been dropping to the $1/disk mark....


I thought $35 sounded very good but again I hadn't really looked at DL prices lately so I didn't realize what a steal it was:(
I have probably 20 left and I don't use a ton of DL blanks so I think I'll just keep checking Amazon daily to see what the prices are doing. I've setup a bookmark so just one click and I'll know what their prices are.
Dang dang dang, I should have just ordered them instantly instead of trying to get a larger order together:o
If I had more BD players and a BD burner I might seriously think about going the BD-R route, I could probably fit 3 DL DVDs on one BD-R which would put the disc cost at not much more than quality SL discs:) Problem is I'd hate to lose the compatibility of DVDs where everyone has a DVD player but at least in my family few have BD players. I also have several rooms with only a DVD player, my only BD players are in my media room and lower level main room.

If I had more BD players and a BD burner I might seriously think about going the BD-R route, I could probably fit 3 DL DVDs on one BD-R which would put the disc cost at not much more than quality SL discs:) Problem is I'd hate to lose the compatibility of DVDs where everyone has a DVD player but at least in my family few have BD players. I also have several rooms with only a DVD player, my only BD players are in my media room and lower level main room.Not quite 3 full +DL disks closer to 2.5-2.75. BD-R does fit 5 DVD-R. That Panasonic BD-75 is still selling for $80 all over, including Best Buy -- time to upgrade. LG burners = $80. :)

Dang dang dang, I should have just ordered them instantly instead of trying to get a larger order together:o.Who knows what final price would've actually came up once you hit that checkout button though.

I've been hearing that Amazon, BB and others have raised most of their prices way up for Xmas.

I know Walmart sure has - I just about fell over the other day walking through there, just in the grocery section alone. And others around here are telling me it's like that in every store with non-food items, too - they just suddenly jumped way up, specifically for the holidays (even beyond the way everything's been rising so much in recent times otherwise).

And others around here are telling me it's like that in every store with non-food items, too - they just suddenly jumped way up, specifically for the holidays (even beyond the way everything's been rising so much in recent times otherwise).

Yes, the screamin' deals for Black Friday and Cyber Monday are over; now the retailers are jacking prices to catch the procrastinators. Hey, that's just good business sense.

I'm lying low on capital purchases until after the holiday. Best Buy was offering a 46" Panasonic plasma TV at a ridiculously price over the T'giving weekend. Kinda regret not striking while the iron was hot.

Amazon prices: Sometimes wild price anomalies like the one jjeff saw will occur and they're legit. I've learned to strike when I see 'em.

Year or so ago, they were selling a very fine Yamaha "universal" player for about 75 bucks (MSRP ca. $449.99 or something). Probably a closeout deal or something, but it played SACDs and DVD-Audios AND was highly rated for audio quality, so I jumped in.....for two. Months later I checked in and the price was way up again.

I've noticed the sometimes large fluctuations on certain items. On occasion, I've had an Amazon page up in my browser with something I'm thinking about buying - usually a larger dollar item - and it may be there for several days. I'll refresh the page and the price will go *down*. Is Amazon sophisticated enough to be reading something from a cookie on my computer to ascertain my "fence sitting" status and lower the price a little to get me to pull the trigger?

Year or so ago, they were selling a very fine Yamaha "universal" player for about 75 bucks (MSRP ca. $449.99 or something). Probably a closeout deal or something, but it played SACDs and DVD-Audios AND was highly rated for audio quality, so I jumped in.....for two. Months later I checked in and the price was way up again.Yeah, I remember that - I came close to buying one myself. But it was a good thing I passed, because I ended up with what was a better for me, brand new Pioneer Elite DV-79AVi (retail $999), for only $199 (that I also learned of through the audio forums here). All the reviews I read on the Yammy (here and elsewhere) said that it sometimes wouldn't play certain pre-recorded discs. From all the experiences I've had with Pio disc players, that was never an issue, and I haven't been let down so far with this one, either.

I recently saw the Yammy again for only $99 somewhere - but it was a few weeks back, and I imagine they're gone by now (I think they only had two or three).

If anybody sees a similar deal on 2.4X DL Verbs please post, Amazon even had free shipping.Santa to the rescue:

check your PM's

Santa to the rescue:

check your PM's

I got 3, no delaying this time, even free shipping:)

Year or so ago, they were selling a very fine Yamaha "universal" player for about 75 bucks (MSRP ca. $449.99 or something). Probably a closeout deal or something, but it played SACDs and DVD-Audios AND was highly rated for audio quality, so I jumped in.....for two. Months later I checked in and the price was way up again.


Are you talking about the Yamaha DVD-S1800BL 1080p Upconverting DVD SACD Player. Back in 02/10 I picked up 2 "like new" units from Amazon.com warehouse deals site for $59 each. One for my brother and one for a friend My brother really loves that dvd player. My friend likes it because it could be made into a region free dvd player. I went back a few months later and the prices went way up.

Like others have said you see something at a great price you must jump on it. Yesterday I posted on my local Korean message board. About the Western Digital WD TV Live Plus 1080p HD Media Player 'like new or very good" condition from Amazon.com Warehouse deals for $57. They had about 8-10 of them. About 6 hours later the prices on all of then went up by$20. A few people on the message board were not happy they missed out on the item for that price.

I've been hearing that Amazon, BB and others have raised most of their prices way up for Xmas.I wonder how much is due to the increase in HDD prices because of the Thailand floods.

If anybody sees a similar deal on 2.4X DL Verbs please post, Amazon even had free shipping.

Santa to the rescue:

check your PM's

I got 3, no delaying this time, even free shipping:)
I too have taken advantage of this sale. Thanks for searching this out for us Rammitinski.:D

Checkout meritline they have daily deal.http://www.meritline.com/dailydeals.aspx http://www.meritline.com/ritek-ridata-4x-dl-dvd-r-disc-white-inkjet-printable---p-18362.aspx

Checkout meritline they have daily deal.http://www.meritline.com/dailydeals.aspx http://www.meritline.com/ritek-ridata-4x-dl-dvd-r-disc-white-inkjet-printable---p-18362.aspx
Thanks, BUT, and I apologize for this only a little, I am a media snob! I only use JVC T-Y -R single layer media, and Verbatim +R DL dual layer media. There is some JVC T-Y -R DL media which is excellent, but very had to find (impossible in the US, I had to get it from the UK) and VERY costly ($2.10 per disk compared to $0.70 per disk for the Verbatim).

Thanks, BUT, and I apologize for this only a little, I am a media snob! I only use JVC T-Y -R single layer media, and Verbatim +R DL dual layer media. There is some JVC T-Y -R DL media which is excellent, but very had to find (impossible in the US, I had to get it from the UK) and VERY costly ($2.10 per disk compared to $0.70 per disk for the Verbatim).

Couldn't agree more for DL media, I won't touch anything other than Verbs. I'm basically that way for SL media(Tys) but I'd probably pick up a spindle or two of AZO Verbs if cheap enough(<$20 shipped). I've probably got enough cheap(<$15 PC temporary use) media to last me several years.

If we ever lose Verbatim and T-Y media (quality goes down) we are really in trouble.

If we ever lose Verbatim and T-Y media (quality goes down) we are really in trouble.

Not "if" - WHEN. The demand for quality recordable DVD media has to go down, and at first prices will probably go up. Eventually, the demand will drop to the point that the product is no longer viable to make.

Need to take an inventory of my horde this weekend.

Agreed--not if but WHEN. :( Unfortunate...

Agreed--not if but WHEN. :( Unfortunate...

I have almost as much blank media on hand as DigaDo, but maybe next time SuperMediaStore has a sale on 8x DVD-R, I should pick a few hundred more....

And those refurb Magnavox 515s from J&R are sure looking enticing. Except, except....I've already bought my last, FINAL DVDR something like 4 times already.

I have almost as much blank media on hand as DigaDo, but maybe next time SuperMediaStore has a sale on 8x DVD-R, I should pick a few hundred more....

And those refurb Magnavox 515s from J&R are sure looking enticing. Except, except....I've already bought my last, FINAL DVDR something like 4 times already.
:D
I had, in the past, said that I would never have more than two of these DVD recorders--that my wife would never allow it. Well, I have ten!:eek: I have owned thirteen, but sold or gave away three of them. Like you, I bought my "LAST ONE" many times myself.
:D

http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/beb63ee6-5819-4398-bb5c-ee549c50edf0/verbatim-25gb-6x-bd-r-20-packs-spindle-disc-model-97344-7-off-w-promo-code-emc#0
A possible deal for Kelson:D
$21/20 Verbatim 25GB BD-R discs sounds like a good deal and it doesn't look like they are the cheaper LTH format(or something like that).

Not "if" - WHEN. The demand for quality recordable DVD media has to go down, and at first prices will probably go up. Eventually, the demand will drop to the point that the product is no longer viable to make.

Need to take an inventory of my horde this weekend.

Output will be large enough that it will be several years before this happens. Billions of dollars are still being spent on optical media each year, most home have at least one optical media decice on their computers or home theater, hardly a niche. I can still purchase audio cassette blanks! They have been considered long gone for ages.

http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/beb63ee6-5819-4398-bb5c-ee549c50edf0/verbatim-25gb-6x-bd-r-20-packs-spindle-disc-model-97344-7-off-w-promo-code-emc#0
A possible deal for Kelson:D
$21/20 Verbatim 25GB BD-R discs sounds like a good deal and it doesn't look like they are the cheaper LTH format(or something like that).Thanks for the link, but product #97344 are LTH. Real BD-R from Verbatim run ~$2/disk.

Vinpower Digital 25GB 4X BD-R 50 Packs Disc Model OQBDR04LT-50

Bought these the other day from newegg and have burned about 15 discs so far with great results. Cost was about .50 each when I bought them with some weird promo code.
Also bought a 10 pack of these:
Verbatim 25GB 2X BD-RE 10 Packs Disc Model 96921
They were on some super sale as I paid $8 SHIPPED for them. No idea what to use them for though...
Anybody finding good prices on 50GB blu-ray discs?

Vinpower Digital 25GB 4X BD-R 50 Packs Disc Model OQBDR04LT-50

Bought these the other day from newegg and have burned about 15 discs so far with great results. Cost was about .50 each when I bought them with some weird promo code.?That "Model OQBDR04LT" code is the Optical Quantum code for logo-top 4X BD-R. I have several spindles of those. Mine have a Philips media code. I've burned/verified about 70 with only 1 coaster that was my fault -- tried to burn at 8X.

I think Optical Quantum, VinPower and Titan are all the same disk.

Interestingly I have a couple spindles of Philips BD-R that have a Ritek media code -- go figure.

100 Pack JVC Taiyo Yuden Premium Line 8X Silver Lacquer DVD-R with 100 Pack Sleeves for $24.99. (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-jdmr-zz-sk8-silver-lacquer-8x-dvd-r-media-premium-line-tape-wrap-100pk) Offer expires 1/15.

Are these BD-R discs LTH? How do you tell?
Optical Quantum OQVBDR04WIP-H-10 Blu-Ray White Inkjet Hub Printable 4X 25GB BD-R Media. 10 Pack in Cake Box for $9.99 (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pk) / 20 Pack in Cake Box for $18.98 (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pkX2) / 200 Pack in Cake Box for $179.80 (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pkX20).

100 Pack JVC Taiyo Yuden Premium Line 8X Silver Lacquer DVD-R with 100 Pack Sleeves for $24.99. (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-jdmr-zz-sk8-silver-lacquer-8x-dvd-r-media-premium-line-tape-wrap-100pk) Offer expires 1/15.

Supermediastore requires a $50 purchase to get free shipping, and if I purchase two of the above, it only brings it to $49.98, off by 2 cents. I usually only buy two at a time.

Anyone know of a cheap filler item from Supermediastore to get the total slightly above $50 and qualify for free shipping?

Are these BD-R discs LTH? How do you tell?
Optical Quantum OQVBDR04WIP-H-10 Blu-Ray White Inkjet Hub Printable 4X 25GB BD-R Media. 10 Pack in Cake Box for $9.99 (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pk) / 20 Pack in Cake Box for $18.98 (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pkX2) / 200 Pack in Cake Box for $179.80 (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/optical-quantum-bd-r-25gb-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-oqvbdr04wip-h-10-10pkX20).
No, they are not LTH, they are standard BD-R (aka. HTL). I use them and the OQBDR04LT-10 which are the shiny silver Logo Top disks (see above).

If the disks are LTH SMS will say so in the title description. LTH are actually a failure in that only a couple vendors sell them. All JVC/T-Y BD-R are LTH so stay away from them (I never thought I would say that about a T-Y disk). Half of Verbatim's BD-R line is LTH (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/verbatim-97344-blu-ray-bd-r-25gb-6x-lth-single-layer-recordable-media-20pk?filter=brand%3DVERBATIM|Storage+Capacity%3D25GB). The other half is standard BD-R (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/verbatim-bd-r-25gb-6x-blu-ray-recordable-single-layer-media-97457-25pk?max=15&offset=15&filter=Type%3DBD-R+%28Recordable%29|Capacity%3D25GB). The cost difference between Verbatim LTH and Verbatim standard is pennies/disk in quantity so why would anyone buy them and risk all the compatibility troubles (the last time I EMAIL'd Panasonic, Samsung and LG about LTH support in their BD players I got either a flat out "no" or a "we don't recommend them"). Other than T-Y and Verbatim, I haven't seen any other vendors selling LTH.

Supermediastore requires a $50 purchase to get free shipping, and if I purchase two of the above, it only brings it to $49.98, off by 2 cents. I usually only buy two at a time.

Anyone know of a cheap filler item from Supermediastore to get the total slightly above $50 and qualify for free shipping?Their disk storage binders are usually pretty cheap and useful.

Anyone know of a cheap filler item from Supermediastore to get the total slightly above $50 and qualify for free shipping?

Stick on hub centers (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/cd-hubs-disc-hub-cd-buttons-cd-dots-cd-spots-black-25) are $1.88.


If the disks are LTH SMS will say so in the title description. LTH are actually a failure in that only a couple vendors sell them.
OK, thanks. I don't know too much about BD but I'm looking into it. I think my PC DVD burner is dying. I can't burn any discs including the TYG02 faster than 4X. I might be getting one of the Newegg LG BD drives (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136239) to replace it.

OK, thanks. I don't know too much about BD but I'm looking into it. I think my PC DVD burner is dying. I can't burn any discs including the TYG02 faster than 4X. I might be getting one of the Newegg LG BD drives (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136239) to replace it.I have the previous model, WH10LS30. It's a great drive and the prices are dropping like stones on BD burners. I paid $80 for mine. I've burned about 70 of the Optical Quantum disks and have another 80 on hand.

Their disk storage binders are usually pretty cheap and useful.

Early this morning I ordered two TY spindles and a SMS 104 disc "wallet" for a total of $59.97.

...I might be getting one of the Newegg LG BD drives (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136239) to replace it.
I have the previous model, WH10LS30. It's a great drive and the prices are dropping like stones on BD burners. I paid $80 for mine...
Ken.F got me looking, but I after reading reviews, I think I'm going to hold out a bit longer for ~$50 w/FS and something that can rip BDs faster than 4X (for my Media Server).

Ken.F got me looking, but I after reading reviews, I think I'm going to hold out a bit longer for ~$50 w/FS and something that can rip BDs faster than 4X (for my Media Server).
It may take a while for the good ones to get to $50. 4X ripping is pretty good, don't forget there is the overhead of the decrypting software. Some disks are tougher to rip than others and so go more slowly. Almost all BD burners have riplock which limits the BD rip speed. The riplock is there for read stability and keeping the noise down. Once the device has a firmware update there is software that will edit the update to remove the riplock to increase the rip speed by maybe 50-75%.

I took the riplock off my WH10LS30 and on my 9yr old XP box I could do a full disk BD rip in under 35 min. When I got my new Win-7 Dell i7 box with BD reader/DVD writer, I pulled the hacked WH10LS30 from the old PC and put it in the new one. Those same BD now take 45 min to rip and it's the same whether I use the hacked WH10LS30 or the stock BD reader that came with the Dell. The same goes for DVD ripping. My old XP box will rip a full DVD.iso in 9 min, the Win-7 box takes 14 min. My point being there is a lot more affecting the rip speed than the speed of the drive.

So uh.......what's the verdict on Kodak DVD media? I just bought a 25-pack of Kodak DVD+R DL's.......have gotten nothin' but coasters so far. :(

Out of the "recommended" brands, it seems that Verbatim is the most affordable. Am I correct?

I've been using Sony +R and +R DL media that I bought at J&R for the past year, and for the most part it's worked great. What's the verdict on Sony media?

I burn nothing but Verbatims when it comes to DL media. Early on I tried some cheaper DL brands but I really hate coasters, especially at close to $1+ a pop. Using Verbatims I get maybe a coaster out of 100, if even that. With other brands it was more like 1 or 2 out of 10. Verbatiums may cost a little more but if you consider a couple failures the prices are very similar. I also stick with the 2.4x instead of the quicker 8x, not sure if it's true but I have a feeling the slower discs may last longer before having problems.
AFA Sony media, I've had pretty good luck with the Sony flat white top discs(<$20 at Costco on sale) but I haven't had as good luck with the Sony pearl top discs in my standalones although they are still working fine in my PC. Panasonic standalones tend to not grip the spindle the tightest and the very slippery pearl top Sonys tend to slip causing various problems. I only have access to 16x Sony media, 8x may be better.

AFA prices, my last couple of Verbs 2.4x DL blanks were $35/50 which I think is a great deal for great media. Amazon regularly has them just a little north of $40 which is still less than $1 per, a great deal for something that actually works.
http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-96577-Double-Layer-Recordable/dp/B0026CN0KW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1326554637&sr=8-2

AFA prices, my last couple of Verbs 2.4x DL blanks were $35/50 which I think is a great deal for great media. Amazon regularly has them just a little north of $40 which is still less than $1 per, a great deal for something that actually works.
http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-96577-Double-Layer-Recordable/dp/B0026CN0KW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1326554637&sr=8-2

http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/92f26d09-5e2a-4b55-8bba-63d4513389ca/verbatim-8-5gb-2-4x-dvdr-dl-50-packs-spindle-disc-model-96577-ends-1-18#0
$35.99/50 shipped from Newegg, doesn't get much better than this for the best DLs one can buy(Verbatim 2.4x +R DL) good though 1/18.

Early this morning I ordered two TY spindles and a SMS 104 disc "wallet" for a total of $59.97.

Today I received that 12 January 2012 SMS order.

I was a little surprized to find the 8x TY Premium Line DVD-Rs came packaged in plastic wrap. The original sale listing specified this packaging but I didn't notice it at the time. These have a lot number of GG000344.

This plastic wrap packaging is fine with me. The cake boxes in earlier orders were annoying. I've seldom reused them.

Maybe this plastic wrap will be a cost-saving factor.

I hope that SMS will be able to continue offering these Premium Line DVDs at a good price.

I was a little surprized to find the 8x TY Premium Line DVD-Rs came packaged in plastic wrap ... This plastic wrap packaging is fine with me. Maybe this plastic wrap will be a cost-saving factor.

When I used to order the TY Value Line series, that was how they were packaged, which seemed cheap to me. When I get my SMS order, I guess I will have to reuse the cakeboxes from my older TY Premium purchases.

It may take a while for the good ones to get to $50. 4X ripping is pretty good, don't forget there is the overhead of the decrypting software. Some disks are tougher to rip than others and so go more slowly. Almost all BD burners have riplock which limits the BD rip speed. The riplock is there for read stability and keeping the noise down. Once the device has a firmware update there is software that will edit the update to remove the riplock to increase the rip speed by maybe 50-75%...
When I looked at the 'Deal' Ken.F referenced (LG WH12LS38 - OEM), all I could see was 'Same Everyday Price But w/FREE Shipping Code'. Then, reading some Newegg reviews, I read about 'Slow' and 'No Firmware Updates'. So, the incentive for an 'Impulse Buy' lost its steam. When I just checked my 'Price Alerts', I had a LITE-ON IHBS112-04 - OEM 'tagged' for $69.98, which according to my 'system', meant the current price, when I created the 'Price Alert', was $69.99 ( - today it's $79.99; and, IIRC, your now 'Deactivated' LG WH10LS30 was originally in the ~$80-90 range), so there must have been some past 'Buzz' on the LITE-ON over at FW or SD.

Thus, maybe ~$50 is too low; ~$60/70 for a currently ~$80/90 BD Burner might be more realistic.

With my 'OCD' personality, I'll have to spend some time over at CDFreaks, make a list / Excel spreadsheet of the 'Recommended' BR Burners and then watch for *SALES*. Just like I did for my first *REAL* LCD HDTV, a Panasonic TC-L32C3 bought in Aug 2011. I already have plenty of DVD Burners (SATA AND IDE), with spares, leaving probably close to a dozen Fully Operational CD Burners and Changers (SCSI and IDE) piled up on the shelf in the Storage Room.

...I took the riplock off my WH10LS30 and on my 9yr old XP box I could do a full disk BD rip in under 35 min. When I got my new Win-7 Dell i7 box with BD reader/DVD writer, I pulled the hacked WH10LS30 from the old PC and put it in the new one. Those same BD now take 45 min to rip and it's the same whether I use the hacked WH10LS30 or the stock BD reader that came with the Dell. The same goes for DVD ripping. My old XP box will rip a full DVD.iso in 9 min, the Win-7 box takes 14 min. My point being there is a lot more affecting the rip speed than the speed of the drive.
Interesting how the OS affected the speed, even with the ?X more CPU processing power of the new Dell over the 9yr old. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/icons/icon3.gif

The majority of my desktops are running Win2K SP4. I've been 'Shopping Around' for a copy of XP PRO but most folks want around the same price as for a copy of Win7! :rolleyes: Since my Dell 400SC is the latest, with both IDE and SATA capability, a 2.4GHz 'Hyperthreading' P4 and 2GB of RAM, I thought that I'd like to try XP PRO on it. According to your data, it will be faster than any newer Vista or Win7 desktop. :cool:

Thanks! :)

Today I received that 12 January 2012 SMS order.

I was a little surprized to find the 8x TY Premium Line DVD-Rs came packaged in plastic wrap. The original sale listing specified this packaging but I didn't notice it at the time. These have a lot number of GG000344...
That looks like the same wrapping my 07/29/2010 Meritline order of JVC / Taiyo Yuden (JDMR-VAL-SK) Valueline DVD-R 8X Silver Thermal Lacquer Blank DVDR Media Disc 4.7GB in 100 Pack Qty 2 for $34.99 - GG000339 came in.

Maybe the production line is so sophisticated, and streamlined, that it can identity PREMIUM vs VALUELINE, split them off at a 'V' switch, and then, when each respective pile reaches 100, shoot them off to the same wrapping machine, which then knows which label to apply. <thinking>

Maybe the production line is so sophisticated, and streamlined, that it can identity PREMIUM vs VALUELINE, split them off at a 'V' switch, and then, when each respective pile reaches 100, shoot them off to the same wrapping machine, which then knows which label to apply. <thinking>

This had me worried, but it appears SMS still sells the Value Line. I thought maybe they were mixing the Value Line with the Premium. Also, the cake box supply is still available at a higher price.

Taiyo Yuden Silver Lacquer 8X DVD-R Media (Value Line) 100 Pack in Plastic Wrap (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/taiyo-yuden-8x-dvd-r-media-value-line-100pk) $27.99

Taiyo Yuden Silver Lacquer 8X DVD-R Media (Premium Line) 100 Pack in Plastic Wrap (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-jdmr-zz-sk8-silver-lacquer-8x-dvd-r-media-premium-line-tape-wrap-100pk) $24.99

Taiyo Yuden Silver Lacquer 8X DVD-R Media (Premium Line) 100 Pack in Cake Box (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-dvd-r-8x-silver-thermal-dvd-recordable-single-layer-media-jdmr-zz-sb8-100pk) $29.99

Wow this thread has sure been quiet:)
For anyone looking for +RW discs, doesn't get much better than 50 cents a piece w/free shipping! 30 spindle/$14.99 for probably the best RWs around.
4x Verbatims from Newegg, link courtesy of Woot!
http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/322162bd-2f46-436c-a756-a968e071957a/verbatim-4-7gb-4x-dvdrw-30-packs-spindle-disc-model-94834-5-coupon#0
Good through 2/29

jjeff, I saw your comment on woot...which of your recorders don't like +RW?

Of all the disc types +RW is the least liked by Panasonic recorders. They didn't start supporting +RW until '06 and even then they tend to act a little flaky in Panasonics. Of course for a Funai +RW is probably the best RW to use, along with +R.
Nothing wrong with the + format, just the way Panasonic implemented it:)

The local Fry's ad from 2 March 2012 has Verbatim 16x AZO DVD-R 10 Packs at $1.49 each with a limit of five:

If you live close enough to a Frys for free store pickup, then it is a great deal. It's just slightly better than average if you have to pay the 7.99 shipping for 5 items, about 0.31 per disc.

Verbatim 16x AZO DVD+R 100 Packs: $23.49, free shipping (made in India).

Buy.com.

That's more like it.

http://www.emediadepot.com/Taiyo_Yuden_Silver_Lacquer_DVD_R_8X_p/jvdvdr8x.htm

http://www.emediadepot.com/Taiyo_Yuden_Silver_Lacquer_DVD_R_8X_p/jvdvdr8x.htmI cannot determine from the text if that is Premium Line or Value Line disks. I certainly wouldn't make that judgment based on a displayed picture -- I've seen more than one "wrong" pictures in ads.

At least with SMS (http://www.supermediastore.com/category/a/taiyo-yuden-blank-recordable-dvd-r-disc-discs-media?max=15&offset=0&filter=brand%3DTAIYO+YUDEN&sortBy=price&maxView=15), they tell you up front in the product descriptor whether it is Premium Line or Value Line

How about this (http://www.rima.com/prod/1736-100.html)?

How about this (http://www.rima.com/prod/1736-100.html)?
Not with shipping at $7.50 (higher as you buy more). :p

I cannot determine from the text if that is Premium Line or Value Line disks. I certainly wouldn't make that judgment based on a displayed picture -- I've seen more than one "wrong" pictures in ads.

At least with SMS (http://www.supermediastore.com/category/a/taiyo-yuden-blank-recordable-dvd-r-disc-discs-media?max=15&offset=0&filter=brand%3DTAIYO+YUDEN&sortBy=price&maxView=15), they tell you up front in the product descriptor whether it is Premium Line or Value Line
I just talk to CR the discs are the prem line as the pic shows.[

Not with shipping at $7.50 (higher as you buy more). :p
Fair enough. I usually order them in groups of 600 at a time, which is a case. In those quantities, the disks from Rima are 26.5 cents per disk, and from Media Depot, they are 27 cents per disk. If you are only buying one stack of 100, then the Media Depot is a better deal. For a single stack of 100, SMS wants 36 cents a piece for them.

London drugs has the AZO 16x - or + for $12.99 for 50. Walk in or Internet.
Untill April 01 2012

16x -R AZO (http://www.londondrugs.com/Cultures/en-US/Product+Detail/Computers.htm?BreadCrumbs=Computers;Computers;CD-Rs,%20DVDs,%20and%20Diskettes;Recordable%20DVDs&ProductID=1374537&ProductTab=3&MSCSProfile=&UserPref=)

16x +R AZO (http://www.londondrugs.com/Cultures/en-US/Product+Detail/Computers.htm?BreadCrumbs=Computers;Computers;CD-Rs,%20DVDs,%20and%20Diskettes;Recordable%20DVDs&ProductID=2167674&ProductTab=3&MSCSProfile=&UserPref=)

Today I purchased a low priced TDK CD-R spindle. This is the first product I've seen where the spindle base and top are threaded:

Verbatim AZO up to 16x at Amazon, ~$27/100, shipped. Here's a link to the -Rs: http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97460-Branded-Recordable-100-Disc/dp/B003ZDNZT2/ref=pd_cp_e_2

And for 54 cents more, the +Rs: http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97459-Branded-Recordable-Spindle/dp/B003ZDNZSS/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

With the recent posts stating that good quality 16X disks are no harder on our stand-alone DVDRs than 8X, thought these might be worth posting. Of course, there's no indication of country of origin.

Verbatim AZO up to 16x at Amazon, ~$27/100, shipped. Here's a link to the -Rs: http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97460-Branded-Recordable-100-Disc/dp/B003ZDNZT2/ref=pd_cp_e_2

And for 54 cents more, the +Rs: http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97459-Branded-Recordable-Spindle/dp/B003ZDNZSS/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

With the recent posts stating that good quality 16X disks are no harder on our stand-alone DVDRs than 8X, thought these might be worth posting. Of course, there's no indication of country of origin.

I purchased two 100 spindles on 03-15-12 for $21.99 per 100 spindle from Amazon.com. First time in a long time since they dropped that low on Amazon.com. The price dropped to $21.99 and then back up to $27.99 twice that day.

I purchased two 100 spindles on 03-15-12 for $21.99 per 100 spindle from Amazon.com. First time in a long time since they dropped that low on Amazon.com. The price dropped to $21.99 and then back up to $27.99 twice that day.
Your supposed to post here to let the rest of us know when they are having such a good deal, of course after you've already placed your order:D
I swear they must have 2 people hired full time just to change prices at Amazon:confused: I just don't get the purpose of their yo-yo pricing...

Late notice-- for Verbatim 16x 50 pack spindle
White inkjet printable...get $5 off the $19.99 regular price with the promo code.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817130999
Sale expires Thur the 22nd. One day left.

Verbatim AZO up to 16x at Amazon, ~$27/100, shipped. Here's a link to the -Rs: http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97460-Branded-Recordable-100-Disc/dp/B003ZDNZT2/ref=pd_cp_e_2

And for 54 cents more, the +Rs: http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97459-Branded-Recordable-Spindle/dp/B003ZDNZSS/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

With the recent posts stating that good quality 16X disks are no harder on our stand-alone DVDRs than 8X, thought these might be worth posting. Of course, there's no indication of country of origin.

I purchased two 100 spindles on 03-15-12 for $21.99 per 100 spindle from Amazon.com. First time in a long time since they dropped that low on Amazon.com. The price dropped to $21.99 and then back up to $27.99 twice that day.

Your supposed to post here to let the rest of us know when they are having such a good deal, of course after you've already placed your order:D
I swear they must have 2 people hired full time just to change prices at Amazon:confused: I just don't get the purpose of their yo-yo pricing...
While that IS a great price, I'm afraid I have to pass on it. I still have close to 2000:eek: blank T-Ys on a shelf (well, two shelves really:D) at the moment, so I think I'm good for a while.:)

I purchased two 100 spindles on 03-15-12 for $21.99 per 100 spindle from Amazon.com. First time in a long time since they dropped that low on Amazon.com. The price dropped to $21.99 and then back up to $27.99 twice that day.

Okay here you go it is now marked down to $21.99 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZDNZT2/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details) at Amazon.com once again. For the Verbatim 95102 4.7 GB up to 16x Branded Recordable Disc DVD-R (100-Disc Spindle). Who knows how long this will last at that price. Make sure you pick the "retail packaging" one. The "Frustrationg-Free Packaging" one is still $26.99.

let me know when there is a good deal on DVD-R DL discs (like free shipping)...lol

Okay here you go it is now marked down to $21.99 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZDNZT2/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details) at Amazon.com once again. For the Verbatim 95102 4.7 GB up to 16x Branded Recordable Disc DVD-R (100-Disc Spindle). Who knows how long this will last at that price. Make sure you pick the "retail packaging" one. The "Frustrationg-Free Packaging" one is still $26.99.
Thanks for the tip! just picked up 3 spindles of the "frustration" packaging:D I don't know, I've never had a problem opening up Verbatim spindles:confused:

let me know when there is a good deal on DVD-R DL discs (like free shipping)...lol

Last time I purchased DLs I got 50 2.4x Verbatim +Rs for $39.99 shipped, no tax:) I purchased them from Newegg but Amazon had them for a few hours at that price too but I missed out so I got them for the same price at Newegg. If your open to lower quality DLs Microcenter regularly sells Windata 8x 100 spindles for $39.99 but with DLs I only trust Verbatims and prefer the 2.4x speed.
I never see great deals on -R DLs so DLs are the only time I use the + format DVDs in my Panasonics.

Thanks for the tip! just picked up 3 spindles of the "frustration" packaging:D I don't know, I've never had a problem opening up Verbatim spindles:confused:


:confused::mad:Well I forgot to purchase something else from Amazon so I needed to add to my order to get free shipping. I ordered 1 more spindle for $21.99 but when I placed the order I was told Amazon placed a limit on the DVDs:confused: It wouldn't let me purchase even one spindle this time! Not sure if they are out or the limit is 3 and the new order was tied to my previous order....bummer, no Mockingjay for the kid this order:(

I never see great deals on -R DLs so DLs are the only time I use the + format DVDs in my Panasonics.


only interested in the dash-R DL's at the moment

For $21.99/100, I had to order the Verbatim AZO -Rs. Added to the ~270 TY/JVC 8X -R's on hand, I should be rolling in disks for at least a year.

Need something to make the $25 for free shipping? Here ya go- *Everybody* needs packing tape, & this has twice the normal amount, at the normal price! :D

Link: http://www.amazon.com/LePages-Seal-Bandit-Packaging-74003/dp/B005M0MZT2/ref=sr_1_51?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1326864116&sr=1-51

The prices of BD-R have continued to decline. A 10-pack of Titan 4X BD-R is going for $0.86/disk at SupermediaStore.com (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/titan-bd-r-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-media-t9891089-10pk) if you buy 4 or more -- you have to buy 6 x 10-packs ($51.54) to get free shipping.

The price of Verbatim 6X BD-R LTH have gone through the floor -- $0.60/disk as a 20-pack. That's probably because they can't give them away. All the reviews basically say the same thing -- can't burn them; can't play them; got my money back; got burned. LTH is a total bust -- stay away.

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The price of Verbatim 6X BD-R LTH have gone through the floor -- $0.60/disk as a 20-pack. That's probably because they can't give them away. All the reviews basically say the same thing -- can't burn them; can't play them; got my money back; got burned. LTH is a total bust -- stay away.
Isn't LTH the only type of BR disk that Tayio-Yuden makes? Was that a bad decision on their part or what?

Isn't LTH the only type of BR disk that Tayio-Yuden makes? Was that a bad decision on their part . .Yes and yes. They get the same poor reviews as the Verbatim LTH disks -- 5 yr after their introduction and still few players/burners support LTH -- only T-Y and Verbatim are LTH players. Given that the word is out about LTH disks, at $1.50/disk for the T-Y LTH, I can't see who would buy them over real BD-R. They can't even sell the Verbatim LTH at less than 1/2 the cost of T-Y LTH.

LTH was designed to be a cheaper organic dye based alternative to real BD-R that could be made on existing DVD-R lines with no new investment. And while it was cheaper at its introduction, they didn't count on the chinese pushing the manufacturing costs of real BD-R down so much and so fast. By the time they started making them in quantity for sale, chinese BD-R were already comparably priced and still dropping. Because BD-R is a different technology with a solid-state recording layer there appears to be little difference between the brands. The chinese stuff is getting consistently high marks. Verbatim has dropped the price of their real 6X BD-R to where their LTH disks were selling a year ago. At $1.64/disk in quantity they are price competitive with chinese 6X BD-R.

Probably more than you wanted to know.

For $21.99/100, I had to order the Verbatim AZO -Rs. Added to the ~270 TY/JVC 8X -R's on hand, I should be rolling in disks for at least a year.

Need something to make the $25 for free shipping? Here ya go- *Everybody* needs packing tape, & this has twice the normal amount, at the normal price! :D

Link: http://www.amazon.com/LePages-Seal-Bandit-Packaging-74003/dp/B005M0MZT2/ref=sr_1_51?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1326864116&sr=1-51

Ditto. Can't say "no" to AZO Verbs at that price. I ordered 3 in Frustration Packaging (for 5 bucks less, I can deal with it). And no problem making the $25 Free Super Saver Shipping limit. I always keep a bunch of things in my saved cart that I want/need but don't have to have immediately. That way I always have something to toss on the pile if I need to make the FSSS threshhold.

Of course, these discs will be mostly for use in my newest Magnavox DVDRs and in my duplicator, though as I understand it from recent posts, the whole "8x is easier on your DVD drive than 16x" rule of thumb has come up for debate. (No, don't wanna open up that can o' worms here.)

Hi, I have always used Verbatim DVD+R disc in my computer however I have noticed that on Amazon, they have the DVD-R 100 disc for about $22 while the DVD+R 100 disc is about $28. Is there any difference between the DVD+R and the DVD-R if I am using my computer to burn the disc to be used in my 4 different DVD player? Thanks

Ditto. Can't say "no" to AZO Verbs at that price. I ordered 3 in Frustration Packaging (for 5 bucks less, I can deal with it).

Did you try and order more or like me just decide on 3? I'm thinking 3 may have been the limit because when I went back later and tried to order 1 more I was told I had reached the max limit:confused: I tried again today but they are back up to $27.21:confused: The FFP are now lower at $26.99:confused:

csun213, I'd purchase whatever format is cheaper for your PC or Magnavox DVDRs. For Panasonics I always purchase - media even if a bit more, Pannys really don't like + media although all post '04 models will burn them.

only interested in the dash-R DL's at the moment

Try this http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-premium-grade-gold-lacquer-8x-dvd-r-dual-layer-media-10-pack

Try this http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-premium-grade-gold-lacquer-8x-dvd-r-dual-layer-media-10-pack

Thats as good as I've seen($1.30 each in 60 quanity) and for top quality Tys at that! Only problem is it looks like they are out of stock:( no mention of when they will be back either...

Did you try and order more or like me just decide on 3? I'm thinking 3 may have been the limit because when I went back later and tried to order 1 more I was told I had reached the max limit:confused: I tried again today but they are back up to $27.21:confused: The FFP are now lower at $26.99:confused:

Yep, only ordered 3......that's 300 more discs, and I'm pretty full up already on TY 8x and Verb 8x.

I guess I should have tried to put 4 in my basket to see what happens.....I got a little distracted, though, because I decided to pre-order the next re-release of RCA's Toscanini Collection (85 CDs for ~$1.75 a piece). Duplicates stuff I already have, but for that price....

Back on topic: lately I've noticed that SuperMediaStore hasn't been having as many sales on TY 8x. Wonder if it's become enough of a niche market they don't have to.

Wow this thread has sure been quiet:)
For anyone looking for +RW discs, doesn't get much better than 50 cents a piece w/free shipping! 30 spindle/$14.99 for probably the best RWs around.
4x Verbatims from Newegg, link courtesy of Woot!
http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/322162bd-2f46-436c-a756-a968e071957a/verbatim-4-7gb-4x-dvdrw-30-packs-spindle-disc-model-94834-5-coupon#0
Good through 2/29

Boy, wish I'd seen this before it had expired!!!

Can anyone recommend any other brand RWs?

I've only used Verbatims for the last few years after getting so many coasters from the junk brands, but they go on sale sooooo infrequently.

thnx

2 years ago i bought a sony gx-257.It worked pretty well for 8 months.
I bought TDK 16x -R 100 spindle for 9.99 on 5-28-10.
Target at times has the Sony +RW 25 stack for 17.19 LOL (that's the new 16.99 deal)
Anyway i got that deal a couple of times there.
Fry's put the Toshiba DR-430 onsale.Got it on2-4-12 picked up a 100 stack
of -R Maxell while i was there for 24.99.

No failure at all the the Maxell's !!

The sony 257 was a 68.88 referb fro Brandsmat.

The TDK 100 stack was from Fry's.

You can pull up Fry's friday sale paper onthe net . Sometimes at 6 am.

The prices of BD-R have continued to decline. A 10-pack of Titan 4X BD-R is going for $0.86/disk at SupermediaStore.com (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/titan-bd-r-4x-white-inkjet-hub-printable-blu-ray-recordable-media-t9891089-10pk) if you buy 4 or more -- you have to buy 6 x 10-packs ($51.54) to get free shipping.

The price of Verbatim 6X BD-R LTH have gone through the floor -- $0.60/disk as a 20-pack. That's probably because they can't give them away. All the reviews basically say the same thing -- can't burn them; can't play them; got my money back; got burned. LTH is a total bust -- stay away.
The verb's are sold out, missed the deal, at .60 ea. let me know when someone sees that price again. i've used these and have NO problems when using them on my pc asus and sony burners.

The verb's are sold out, missed the deal, at .60 ea. let me know when someone sees that price again. i've used these and have NO problems when using them on my pc sony burners.You may be out of luck. I have a strong feeling that Verbatim will pull the plug on LTH.

MY LG GGW H20L is supposed to be able to burn LTH disks no problem but they did add support through firmware. Havent ever got any to try but I think it depends on the drive and the manufacture providing support for them.
The few BD disks I've burned with it play in my first gen Panasonic just fine, though I haven't bought any blanks because of cost. Nobody sell quality media in store now as far as DVD blanks go so it's like the old days when you'd check the codes on the package and disks trying to find a grade blanks and most of the time ending up with crappy CMC and other b grade stuff.

MY LG GGW H20L is supposed to be able to burn LTH disks no problem but they did add support through firmware. Havent ever got any to try but I think it depends on the drive and the manufacture providing support for them.
The few BD disks I've burned with it play in my first gen Panasonic just fine, though I haven't bought any blanks because of cost.My LG WH10LS30 burner is also on the list for LTH media compatibility, but I don't know if it will actually work because I've had no reason to consider LTH. Up until recently LTH was selling for $1.50/disk which was more than I am paying for real BD-R. Verbatim BD-R was selling for $3/disk and has recently come down to the $1.40/disk level to compete.

But even if I were tempted to try LTH at that $0.60/disk price, I wouldn't because I have a Panasonic BD player. Panasonic has told me that none of their BluRay players have been designed to support LTH media. If they work that is fortuitous but they don't make any claims for LTH compatibility.

Well if I see any locally for a good price I'll have to try one and see what happens. Last disk I bought at Target of all places because the store I hit wasn't selling the single Sony blanks quickly enough so they kept dropping the price to clear out the last one on the shelf and I bought it for like 5 bucks, maybe less, it worked.
The BD-RE disk that came with my drive worked about 5 times then went bad so I was worried maybe the drive had quit but it was just my disk.

Okay here you go it is now marked down to $21.99 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZDNZT2/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details) at Amazon.com once again. For the Verbatim 95102 4.7 GB up to 16x Branded Recordable Disc DVD-R (100-Disc Spindle). Who knows how long this will last at that price. Make sure you pick the "retail packaging" one. The "Frustrationg-Free Packaging" one is still $26.99.


It's back down to the $21.99 again.

It's back down to the $21.99 again.

That didn't last long. It's now $26.99 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZDNZT2/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details).

Edit: Oops, I picked the Frustrationg-Free Packaging. The retail packaging is still $21.99.

That didn't last long. It's now $26.99 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZDNZT2/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details).

Edit: Oops, I picked the Frustrationg-Free Packaging. The retail packaging is still $21.99.

The Frustrationg-Free Packaging ones are now marked down to $21.99 also.

only interested in the dash-R DL's at the moment

Try this http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-premium-grade-gold-lacquer-8x-dvd-r-dual-layer-media-10-pack

Thats as good as I've seen($1.30 each in 60 quanity) and for top quality Tys at that! Only problem is it looks like they are out of stock:( no mention of when they will be back either...

When I was looking VERY hard for -R DL disks, they had this page exactly as it is now, listing the item as out of stock, at this price. I ended up getting this product fom a UK site, paying a lot more money than this. I haven't seen a US vendor with these in several years. The VERB +R DL disks work just as well in my Panasonic DVD recorders, and are readily available, AND are much less expensive.

I would stay away from the Ritek -R DL disks as a batch I bought were nothing but trouble. Only half worked without a write failure, and of those that DID write properly, most of them no longer play. They all show signes of degredation, in about a year and a half! This is just MY experience, others might not have these problems.

It's back down to the $21.99 again.
That didn't last long. It's now $26.99.

Edit: Oops, I picked the Frustrationg-Free Packaging. The retail packaging is still $21.99.
The Frustrationg-Free Packaging ones are now marked down to $21.99 also.
Who does their pricing? This seems arbitrary and chaotic.:confused:

Who does their pricing? This seems arbitrary and chaotic.:confused:

Makes a body wonder. My theory has been that Amazon is monitoring the "going price" for an item via its 3rd party sellers, and when the sellers' prices change, they change theirs to keep up. Just a theory. I'm sure it's some sort of computer algorithm, not a real person doing it.

Last week, when I bought my 3 packs, the FF packs were going for $26.99, and the retail packaging for $21.99. Obviously, I bought the retail. Over the weekend, I checked for the heck of it, and FF was up to 27.99 and retail was 26.99. Now, they're both back down to $21.99. I've seen this happen with a lot of stuff on Amazon.

If it's a non-critical item, or something I don't mind walking away from unless I get a certain price, I'll monitor the item for several days, even weeks and pull the trigger when the price looks to be at its lowest. It's the closest I'll get to gambling. I don't always win. Sometimes I do.

Who does their pricing? This seems arbitrary and chaotic.:confused:
Totally agree:confused: Well I came here to say they were back to $21.99 for both types of packaging but Chingu808 beat me to it:cool: Well I ordered 1 of the FFP types, it will be interesting how they can make something like opening up a DVD spindle less frustration:rolleyes:
I'd try ordering 4 just to see if the 3 limit was still intact but I just don't really need anymore:o the only reason for this purchase is to get free shipping for something else.

edit: OK, before I finalized my order I changed the quantity to 4 and it took it:confused: at least up to the part of finalizing my order...

Totally agree:confused: Well I came here to say they were back to $21.99 for both types of packaging but Chingu808 beat me to it:cool: Well I ordered 1 of the FFP types, it will be interesting how they can make something like opening up a DVD spindle less frustration:rolleyes:
I'd try ordering 4 just to see if the 3 limit was still intact but I just don't really need anymore:o the only reason for this purchase is to get free shipping for something else.

edit: OK, before I finalized my order I changed the quantity to 4 and it took it:confused: at least up to the part of finalizing my order...
:rolleyes:So, are you going to take advantage of the lower pricing of the EH59, so you have yet another machine to help you use up these disks?:D:D

The $21.99 100-pack of Verbatim AZO 16X DVD-R blanks arrived today from Amazon. According to the package, they were mfg in Taiwan.

The $21.99 100-pack of Verbatim AZO 16X DVD-R blanks arrived today from Amazon. According to the package, they were mfg in Taiwan.
So were my AZO 8X DVD+R discs I ordered months ago from SuperMediaStore. I haven't had any issues with them.

When did Imation team with TDK.?

Imation bought TDK DVD brand in 3rd qtr 2007, as described here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12298494&postcount=20#DVDcare2a)

Just bought some TDK for $9.00 for 75. info on discs in nero says RITEKF1...

I think I know the answer, but when I get a verbatim +RW and it says it can't be used for recording, is there anything to try to get it to work?

The $21.99 100-pack of Verbatim AZO 16X DVD-R blanks arrived today from Amazon. According to the package, they were mfg in Taiwan.

Ditto times 3. Amazon box with 3 "retail package" spindles on my doorstep last night. Purchased mostly for use in my DVD duplicator, though I can probably feed them into my newer recorders, too. Leaves me about 600 16x blank discs in "inventory" for giveaways and backups; about 3,000 8x TY and Verb Data Life Plus for master discs made on the recorders. And about the same number of CD-R Music blanks for my standalone audio CD recorders.

If I use them all up, how am I ever gonna watch/listen to everything? :eek:

Addendum: Just checked Amazon--today prices are $26.99 for FFP and $27.58 for retail packaging. More than a Fin difference between today's price and what I paid for mine. Wow.

I think I know the answer, but when I get a verbatim +RW and it says it can't be used for recording, is there anything to try to get it to work?
See if you can "Erase" it.

Ditto times 3. Amazon box with 3 "retail package" spindles on my doorstep last night. Purchased mostly for use in my DVD duplicator, though I can probably feed them into my newer recorders, too. Leaves me about 600 16x blank discs in "inventory" for giveaways and backups; about 3,000 8x TY and Verb Data Life Plus for master discs made on the recorders. And about the same number of CD-R Music blanks for my standalone audio CD recorders.

If I use them all up, how am I ever gonna watch/listen to everything? :eek:

Addendum: Just checked Amazon--today prices are $26.99 for FFP and $27.58 for retail packaging. More than a Fin difference between today's price and what I paid for mine. Wow.
Wow! 3600 blank disks in your personal inventory. That has me beat by a whole lot. And I thought my 2000, plus a little bit, was excessive. Believe me, my wife does!:D

Wow! 3600 blank disks in your personal inventory. That has me beat by a whole lot. And I thought my 2000, plus a little bit, was excessive. Believe me, my wife does!:D

I have to admit I've gotten a little carried away......but sometimes there's a deal that's just SO good. And I haven't really started my big VHS dubbing project yet.

I've been squirreling the cake boxes away in the spare bedroom, and I noticed last night that there are a lot of them stacked up.

I have to admit I've gotten a little carried away......but sometimes there's a deal that's just SO good. And I haven't really started my big VHS dubbing project yet.

I've been squirreling the cake boxes away in the spare bedroom, and I noticed last night that there are a lot of them stacked up.
I finished my VHS dubbing project over a year ago. It consisted of over 1000 VHS tapes. Let me assure you, the disks take up a LOT less room than the tapes did!:D

Addendum: Just checked Amazon--today prices are $26.99 for FFP and $27.58 for retail packaging. More than a Fin difference between today's price and what I paid for mine. Wow.

And today it's $26.99 for FFP and $28.84 for the retail packaged version. That's almost 7 bucks more than I paid last week.

Luke: My tendency to keep a large inventory of just about anything important that might run out doesn't bother me.....but I am concerned about what my family would think if I cacked unexpectedly and they had to clean out my house! :o

are these any good?? http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/open-box-bulk-jvc-taiyo-yuden-thermal-print-dvd-r-media-100pk

They used to be some of the best stuff you could get and probably are still pretty good.

Next time, alert us to when Fry's has prices that low.

The Verbatim AZO 100 Spindle (Retail Packaging) is marked down to $21.99 at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-95102-Branded-Recordable-100-Disc/dp/B0009YJXMI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1333675995&sr=8-3) again.

The price fluctuations in these things have gone from strange to comical.:)

The Verbatim AZO 100 Spindle (Retail Packaging) is marked down to $21.99 at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-95102-Branded-Recordable-100-Disc/dp/B0009YJXMI/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1333675995&sr=8-3) again.

The Frustrationg-Free Packaging are no marked down to $21.99 also.

The price fluctuations in these things have gone from strange to comical.:)

Yeppers. But the lesson is, watch the site for a few days and pull the trigger when the price is on the low, $21.99 end.

I have an order from SuperMediaStore of 300 more TY 8x DVD-R on the FedEx truck right now. No sale; just did a quick "inventory" after an earlier post in this thread and found I had fewer of them than I thought I did (well, I've been burning discs like a maniac this winter).

I get the regular SMS sale e-mails, and I haven't seen 8x TV -Rs on sale for a while. I'm wondering if that's significant: market's shrunk to the point that people who these discs are specifically seeking them out and don't need to be enticed by a sale?

I get the regular SMS sale e-mails, and I haven't seen 8x TV -Rs on sale for a while. I'm wondering if that's significant: market's shrunk to the point that people who these discs are specifically seeking them out and don't need to be enticed by a sale?
Possibly, but I still contend that the vast majority of blank DVD media is used by the computer industry, and us AVers are merely a drop in the bucket. Whoever is seeking out the T-Y disks and keeping them company going, it isn't us!

Possibly, but I still contend that the vast majority of blank DVD media is used by the computer industry, and us AVers are merely a drop in the bucket. Whoever is seeking out the T-Y disks and keeping them company going, it isn't us!

I would add that the vast majority of stand-alone recorder users never heard of this forum and buy whatever 16x discs are on sale at their local retailer.

I would add that the vast majority of stand-alone recorder users never heard of this forum and buy whatever 16x discs are on sale at their local retailer.
Yeah. I can't argue with that at all.

I would add that the vast majority of stand-alone recorder users never heard of this forum and buy whatever 16x discs are on sale at their local retailer.

If that was not true, Memorex would have bellied-up by now....:cool:

http://www.meritline.com/optimum-dvd-r-16x-branded-gold-surface-opt50-16-00wlc---p-37364.aspx?strcoup=MLCK406HNL1&dealid=33826 Hey at .20 a disc not bad for giveaways....

In Canada, Staples is selling Verbatim 16x AZO DVD-R (or DVD+R) 100-disc spindles for $19.93. Looks like the price is good until May 1st.

http://www.staples.ca/ENG/Catalog/cat_sku.asp?webid=624182

SuperMediaStore, thru May 2: JVC Premium 16X DVD+R Gold Laquer, $22.99/100 pack. A bit less if you go nuts & buy 400 of 'em. :D

Link: http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-dvd-plus-r-16x-premium-grade-gold-lacquer-single-layer-media-100pk-vp-r47hg-100?utm_source=emailSonic&utm_content=Media&utm_medium=campaign&utm_term=DV%20002%203882&utm_campaign=120430%20Month-End%20Savings%20and%20Clearance%20Sale

^^^I saw that too and thought it was a good price but wondered if they were truly Tys or JVC?

SuperMediaStore, thru May 2: JVC Premium 16X DVD+R Gold Laquer, $22.99/100 pack. A bit less if you go nuts & buy 400 of 'em. :D

Link: http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-dvd-plus-r-16x-premium-grade-gold-lacquer-single-layer-media-100pk-vp-r47hg-100?utm_source=emailSonic&utm_content=Media&utm_medium=campaign&utm_term=DV%20002%203882&utm_campaign=120430%20Month-End%20Savings%20and%20Clearance%20Sale
[sarcasm/humor mode=on]
I don't get this at all.:confused: Go nuts? My normal order, when I reach a certain point, around 1500 blanks, is to purchase 600 more. That's is one case, so it's easy to order and easy for them to ship. Why would 400 be going nuts? I made 65 DVDs just last Saturday.
[sarcasm/humor mode=off]
:D

What difference is there between JVC/TY JDMR-ZZ-SB8 (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-dvd-r-8x-silver-thermal-dvd-recordable-single-layer-media-jdmr-zz-sb8-100pk) and JDMR-ZZ-SB (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-silver-thermal-8x-dvd-r-media-white-paper-sleeves-clear-window-jdmr-zz-sb-pslv-4cw100pk-linkyo) ??

Supermediastore has both of these for the same price ($30.99), but one comes with envelopes. Both manufacturer numbers show up on the web, but do not seem to explain the differences.

What difference is there between JVC/TY JDMR-ZZ-SB8 (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-dvd-r-8x-silver-thermal-dvd-recordable-single-layer-media-jdmr-zz-sb8-100pk) and JDMR-ZZ-SB (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-taiyo-yuden-silver-thermal-8x-dvd-r-media-white-paper-sleeves-clear-window-jdmr-zz-sb-pslv-4cw100pk-linkyo) ??

Supermediastore has both of these for the same price ($30.99), but one comes with envelopes. Both manufacturer numbers show up on the web, but do not seem to explain the differences.
Both the same... the "8" is the speed (8X), not usually used. "16" is for 16X discs, as shown in this media conversion table. (http://www.dvdrweb.com/pages/taiyo-yuden-jvc-media-conversion-sheet)

The first link comes in one of the cheap Ty cake boxes while the second is just the discs shrink wrapped but they include 100 paper sleeves. Personally I'd take the cake box because I don't like fiddling with the DVDs without the box but the shrink wrapping is quite sturdy, it's just what to do with them once opened. I still wonder if the JVC gold discs are actually MID TY02?

jjeff,

Unless I am mistaken, it appears both products from Supermediastore come in the cakebox, unless they are advertising it wrong. So, by what wajo has said, the product with the envelopes would be the better buy.

I was hoping that Supermediastore might have a sale, but I am getting low on stock, so I may have to bite at the higher price.

So it is:o I was thrown off by the photo, then by all means get the 100 free sleeves.

Personally I'd take the cake box because I don't like fiddling with the DVDs without the box but the shrink wrapping is quite sturdy, it's just what to do with them once opened.Simple solution I used to do many years ago when I was buying 100 disk shrink-wrap packs of the value line disks. Just save one of the old 100 disk cake boxes. Clear the wrap from the top and bottom center holes of the disk stack and skewer it on the cakebox spindle. Then unwrap the stack. No muss no fuss.

^^^I hadn't thought of that:o The first time I got one of those shrink wrapped packs I removed the whole shrink wrapping and had a mess on my hands. Using your method I'll put the stack in any of my other empty spindles except the Ty ones which I really detest because they are so flimsy. I've got loads of empty much better made spindles which should work just fine:)

^^^Many years ago, when I bought my first 100 disk batch of T-Y value line disks, I paid the extra $1.50 to get them with a cakebox. What I received was a tape-wrap stack and a cakebox -- packed side-by-side in the shipping box from SMS :(. After that, when I moved to 8X disks I switched to buying the Premium line and they came with the disks actually in the cakebox.

The Verbatim AZO 100 Spindle (Retail Packaging & Frustrationg-Free Packaging ) is marked down to $21.99 at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Verbatim-97460-Branded-Recordable-100-Disc/dp/tech-data/B003ZDNZT2/ref=de_a_smtd) again.

Here's a new packaging scheme, TDK DVD 75 packs, $9.99, limit two, at Fry's Wilsonville Oregon store:

Here's a new packaging scheme, TDK DVD 75 packs, $9.99, limit two, at Fry's Wilsonville Oregon store:

AKA $13.33/100(that old cross multiply and divide is coming in very handy now days). It's not just DVDs, mfgs. are screwing with(lowering:mad:) the count of many common items. Pop(aka soda) us to come in 12 and 24 packs, now I'm seeing more and more 10 and 20 packs! and don't get me started on fluid sizes! When was the last time you saw a real 64oz orange juice container or 1/2 gallon ice cream container! The 5 qt pails have gotten so small they are basically down to a gallon, the old 1/2 gallons are a puny 1.5 quarts(single serving around our house:p).

Don't forget coffee: remember when you used to buy a pound of coffee.

And why is regular pasta sold by the pound while whole-wheat only has 12 oz in the pack.

must be friday :)

At Supermediastore (http://www.supermediastore.com/product/u/jvc-dvd-plus-r-16x-premium-grade-gold-lacquer-single-layer-media-25pk-vp-r47hgs-25). Order at least 250 of them (i.e., ten 25-paks) and get the per disc price down to 18 cents. Add another 25-pak and get your order total above 50 bucks to get free shipping.

I don't know where these stand in the Great JVC vs. Taiyo Yuden Food Chain (we might've discussed it here but I'm drawing a blank), but they'd at least be good enough for making copies the fit somewhere above temporary watch-n-toss stuff on landfill-grade media but below the full-on TY/Verb 8x archival media for "keepers."

Note that these are +R, not -R. But I think all the SMS duplicators will accept +R and computer burners, too, right?