have had fios for a couple of weeks now. anyone else not getting enough recording time on their dvr? 15 hours and it's 98% full. 11 hrs and it's 75% full. Is this normal?? it really sucks.

have had fios for a couple of weeks now. anyone else not getting enough recording time on their dvr? 15 hours and it's 98% full. 11 hrs and it's 75% full. Is this normal?? it really sucks.There's a "bug" in the FiOS DVR software that sometimes causes the DVR to miscalculate available space. To fix it, unplug the DVR for 30 seconds.

Do you have a QIP6416 (160GB) or QIP6412 (120GB)? A limited number -- less than 1% -- of Verizon's DVRs are the QIP6412. If you got one of those, you should ask for an exchange to the QIP6416 (160GB).

have had fios for a couple of weeks now. anyone else not getting enough recording time on their dvr? 15 hours and it's 98% full. 11 hrs and it's 75% full. Is this normal?? it really sucks.

DVRs are for Time Shifting, not permanant (or long term) storage......15 hours is more than Primetime of the major networks can air in a night. Cable Systems (and FiOS) will not spend money on big drives anytime in the near future.

If you want more storage for a more longterm solution, you will need to invest in a TiVO or a Windows Media Center PC with Cable Card Tuners.

Even 18 hours is pretty terrible. Surely Verizon should have boxes with, or a means for, greater capacity. I don't buy into the idea that DVR's are just for time shifting, but I do agree that Verizon's box doesn't amount to much more. Incidentally, this is an unfortunate downside of Verizon's pristine HD signal. With a provider that compresses HD signals one could store more hours per GB.

For the prices Verizon charges, they should be giving customers a better product, one that's functionality isn't crippled by an unreasonably low storage capacity. Given the low price of hard drive storage, it seems to me that Verizon could tout a significant advantage over its competitors by offering a DVR with more capacity and do so at a pretty small cost. Of course, these things were probably specked out a few years ago when 160 gigs was on the large side for hard drives, but still...

Anyway, I do have a TiVo HD in my living room and for a little more than $100 I swapped out the original drive for a 1TB replacement that gives me 157 hours of HD capacity. IMO it's the way to go with Verizon.

I would like to go the Tivo route, but it seems cost prohibitive. I have a dvr in my living room and then two standard boxes in the house that I stream to. So that's $30 a month ($20 for dvr/home media and $5 for each standard box).

If I switch to Tivo, first the up front costs would be $600 for the dvr (or $300 for the smaller one) and then I would have to buy dvr's for the other tv's as well which would be $150 each so that's $900. Then I need 3 cable cards at $4/month each and I need to pay for the guide from tivo which is $12.95 for the first and $9.99 for the others (I could lower this a little if I prepay).

So with Verizon, it costs $30/month. With Tivo, I need to pay $900 up front and then $45/month. Doesn't seem worth it.

Also when I upgrade my other tv's to hd, I need to pay for new Tivo boxes. I realize that the Verizon hd boxes are $10/month instead of $5 so that would be more, but Tivo is still more.

What I would love to see from Tivo is a client box where you just plug in a cable card, use the guide for free, and are able to stream content from your primary dvr. If they had something like that, I would consider switching. I don't need a separate dvr on each tv. I like the Verizon model where can access the dvr contents from my regular boxes.

Even 18 hours is pretty terrible. Surely Verizon should have boxes with, or a means for, greater capacity. I don't buy into the idea that DVR's are just for time shifting, but I do agree that Verizon's box doesn't amount to much more. Incidentally, this is an unfortunate downside of Verizon's pristine HD signal. With a provider that compresses HD signals one could store more hours per GB.

For the prices Verizon charges, they should be giving customers a better product, one that's functionality isn't crippled by an unreasonably low storage capacity. Given the low price of hard drive storage, it seems to me that Verizon could tout a significant advantage over its competitors by offering a DVR with more capacity and do so at a pretty small cost. Of course, these things were probably specked out a few years ago when 160 gigs was on the large side for hard drives, but still...

Anyway, I do have a TiVo HD in my living room and for a little more than $100 I swapped out the original drive for a 1TB replacement that gives me 157 hours of HD capacity. IMO it's the way to go with Verizon.

I agree that 18 - 20 hours (HD) is not great, but the base Tivo HD has the same capacity, at ~ $300. So the type of use you're putting it to is important. At my house, we use the DVR's for mostly time shifting/recording episodes of shows, and expect them to go away within 3-5 days. The recording is mixed, with some HD and a lot of SD shows (I record most of the HD, my wife, kids and mother in law, mostly SD).

We also are using VOD much more often for shows that we would normally record - HBO, Showtime, Cinemax shows are available at good quality. That takes some of the load off the DVR's.

Don't get me wrong - I'd love a Terabyte HD DVR, with the ability to store more to my PC's, but that would impact mostly myself, the rest of my family really wouldn't notice.

As to the value that FIOS provides, you can really only judge that vs. the competition, and I know in my case, I am saving significantly now and getting more than I did with my previous carriers (D* for video, Comcast for internet), so I think I'm getting much more value for the services.

I am awaiting two enhancements (as I noted above) - enabling the eSATA port and native passthrough. Those would be great to have, and close a huge gap in FIOS offerings.

hernanu I think you're largely right, value should be judged as a whole and Verizon is a much better value than what I got with Time Warner. That's why I'm happy I made the switch from TW. But Verizon's edge in value is due to facets of the service other than the DVR (channel lineup, picture quality, price(!)). The DVR is a bad value and brings them back to the pack a bit. Since Verizon has established competition in every market I would think they would want to exploit the possibilities for better value in as many avenues as possible but I don't see them doing that with the DVR. I do think pimping, say, 50 hours of HD DVR recording as compared to their competition would be a good calling card for them. I think you make another good point that a lot of people are migrating to VOD viewing and therby reducing the stress on their DVR's.

I'm not holding my breath for eSATA expansion and native pass through. Has there been some official statement from Verizon on eSATA in '09 or is it just speculation? Native pass through is AFAIK in the hands of Motorolla and none of their boxes on any provider offer it so I don't see why we should expect that to change anytime soon.

As for TiVo, the costs are a bit of a gamble since you don't have a reacurring monthly fee for equipment but bear the risk of equipment failure. If you opt for lifetime subscription there is no monthly fee which ups the risk/reward factor. Generally I don't think customers should go into TiVo because they want to save money, they should do it because they think the service and features will be better.

In my case I only need one unit and I got the lifetime sub. That cost me $600 for the standard HD TiVo with the wireless adapter (I worked the system to get a multi-service promotional rate; normally one could expect to pay a little more). With a Verizon DVR at $16/month I would spend $600 in roughly 3.5 years (I'm factoring in some time value of money). So even though I didn't get TiVo for savings, I think there's an excellent chance it will cost me less (perhaps a lot less) over time. Along the way I've got what I consider to be a much better procduct than the Verizon DVR, particularly because I took advantage of the ability to expand capacity.

But every situation is different. In spider's case, where his priority seems to be streaming to many rooms over recording capacity, TiVo looks to be a particularly poor value.

(BTW, when my free months with Verizon's DVR run out I will probably dump it and run an HDMI cable from the TiVo to my bedroom for a wired network setup).

hernanu I think you're largely right, value should be judged as a whole and Verizon is a much better value than what I got with Time Warner. That's why I'm happy I made the switch from TW. But Verizon's edge in value is due to facets of the service other than the DVR (channel lineup, picture quality, price(!)). The DVR is a bad value and brings them back to the pack a bit. Since Verizon has established competition in every market I would think they would want to exploit the possibilities for better value in as many avenues as possible but I don't see them doing that with the DVR. I do think pimping, say, 50 hours of HD DVR recording as compared to their competition would be a good calling card for them. I think you make another good point that a lot of people are migrating to VOD viewing and therby reducing the stress on their DVR's.

I'm not holding my breath for eSATA expansion and native pass through. Has there been some official statement from Verizon on eSATA in '09 or is it just speculation? Native pass through is AFAIK in the hands of Motorolla and none of their boxes on any provider offer it so I don't see why we should expect that to change anytime soon.

As for TiVo, the costs are a bit of a gamble since you don't have a reacurring monthly fee for equipment but bear the risk of equipment failure. If you opt for lifetime subscription there is no monthly fee which ups the risk/reward factor. Generally I don't think customers should go into TiVo because they want to save money, they should do it because they think the service and features will be better.

In my case I only need one unit and I got the lifetime sub. That cost me $600 for the standard HD TiVo with the wireless adapter (I worked the system to get a multi-service promotional rate; normally one could expect to pay a little more). With a Verizon DVR at $16/month I would spend $600 in roughly 3.5 years (I'm factoring in some time value of money). So even though I didn't get TiVo for savings, I think there's an excellent chance it will cost me less (perhaps a lot less) over time. Along the way I've got what I consider to be a much better procduct than the Verizon DVR, particularly because I took advantage of the ability to expand capacity.

But every situation is different. In spider's case, where his priority seems to be streaming to many rooms over recording capacity, TiVo looks to be a particularly poor value.

(BTW, when my free months with Verizon's DVR run out I will probably dump it and run an HDMI cable from the TiVo to my bedroom for a wired network setup).

Actually that sounds like a nice setup. We had Tivo's with DirecTV, my wife still mourns for the user interface, although she grudgingly admits that the FIOS user interface has improved.

I like the Tivo's ability to copy programs to a PC server, but can't see myself getting a Tivo just for that. We also use VOD so much that it would be impractical, especially since my family has been well trained in how to get to it. My wife would look for a scapegoat if I told her she had to learn how to reach Netflix now.

I do agree that the DVR is a competitive disadvantage compared to, say Dish or a Tivo based setup. It would be a real coup to increase the size significantly. I don't think it is with Comcast or Cox, though.

I like the Verizon model where can access the dvr contents from my regular boxes.

Unless you get different service from Verizon than I do you can only stream SD material from the HDDVR to the regular boxes. I believe the argument for larger drives on the DVR suggests the stored material to be HD, thus taking up more space.

BeachComber has it right that the signal/content-provider DVRs are designed for time shifting. That could stem from a carrier agreement to NOT provide a means to store or copy large amounts of content. Access to that content is intended to be on DVDs, BD or downloads from advertiser-paid web sites, read: bottom line augmentation. There's hopeful profit in every stratgey.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love a larger drive in my DVR or enabled eSATA port. I just think it won't happen unless it provides an additional income stream via higher monthly rental fees, regardless of the cheap storage options available today.

I'm stumped and shouldn't be.

We record a number of shows in SD to conserve space on the HD.
I've notice that on playback they are being zoomed, cropped on the sides, but playing back 4:3.

I seem to recall earlier they played back in the modified 16:9 that can be zoomed (no distortion) to fill most of the screen (no side cropping).

I *think* it is the DRV setting for SD.

I pulled up a "Life" episode off on demand and compared it to the one I had recorded and the on demand version is in the (close to) 16:9 format and the recorded one is already zoomed with the sides cropped.

I should know what is going on but don't!

Should I have SD set for 16:9 playback in the DVR menu?
I have it set for 480P at times or the first default option.

Thanks,
nw

I've had FIOS since Oct. '08. I switched from D*. I had no trouble with D* except for their signal breakup when we had bad weather and their customer service.
Now after having FIOS the last few months I would say on the whole I'm happy with the service. No picture breakup in bad weather, and customer service seems to be ok.
But as I have written before in this thread, its their Home Media DVR that is a major problem area for them. And whats frustrating is that Verizon does not seem to understand the issues.
There is no excuse for a 20hr HD DVR, Not when you tout your service as cutting edge.
And theres the constant "Unable to find dvr hub" that seems to be a widespread problem system wide. I've had this issue from day one. And again this is a feature they focus on in their ad's. But how can you use it if it doesn't work right?
Another issue I've noticed is that sometimes the dvr begins recording late into the show, cutting off perhaps up to a minute from the begining of the recorded show.
Verizon FIOS has a good, basic product here. BUT they really need to do some debugging on their hardware side.
FIOS..this is BIG, so FIX IT so it's even better and we get what we are paying for.

DVRs are for Time Shifting, not permanant (or long term) storage......15 hours is more than Primetime of the major networks can air in a night. Cable Systems (and FiOS) will not spend money on big drives anytime in the near future.

If you want more storage for a more longterm solution, you will need to invest in a TiVO or a Windows Media Center PC with Cable Card Tuners.

I don't have a problem with them shipping boxes with 160GB hard drives. I do have a problem with them shipping boxes that won't support larger hard drives if I choose to bear the cost myself and upgrade the drive. eSATA is obviously a better approach since it wouldn't threaten the integrity of the STBs. But building boxes that will only format a drive to 160 regardless of the drive's actual capacity seems more like a strategic than a technical decision.

BeachComber has it right that the signal/content-provider DVRs are designed for time shifting. That could stem from a carrier agreement to NOT provide a means to store or copy large amounts of content.

We're often left imagining that these decisions are the result of some back-room deal between the content producers and the video distributors. I think we'd all understand if VZ said, "look, the studios don't want us to put boxes with big hard drives in peoples' homes." We might not like it, but we'd understand. Instead everything is so shrouded in mystery that we're always left speculating on the real motives behind their decisions. I suppose it's too much to expect a little transparency and honesty from large corporate entities, but one can hope.

Any of y'all have the little motorola box for *analog only* channels 2-49?
I noticed I can get all the SD digital now using this box.
I don't recall seeing any notification they were going to do this.
Its a good move if it is no charge.

thanks,
nw

There's a "bug" in the FiOS DVR software that sometimes causes the DVR to miscalculate available space. To fix it, unplug the DVR for 30 seconds.

Do you have a QIP6416 (160GB) or QIP6412 (120GB)? A limited number -- less than 1% -- of Verizon's DVRs are the QIP6412. If you got one of those, you should ask for an exchange to the QIP6416 (160GB).

I have the 160 gig version. Does anyone know if they are working on a fix for this bug? I have had to unplug several times and it;s not at all easy to reach.

I have the 160 gig version. Does anyone know if they are working on a fix for this bug? I have had to unplug several times and it;s not at all easy to reach.Same here, I find it very annoying ...along with all the first run shows that don't get recorded.

Any of y'all have the little motorola box for *analog only* channels 2-49?
I noticed I can get all the SD digital now using this box.
I don't recall seeing any notification they were going to do this.
Its a good move if it is no charge.

thanks,
nw

If you mean the little DCT-700, mine has been pulling in all non-HD programming since it was installed back in Nov. '07. I was never restricted to Ch 2-49. The only difference between the DCT-700 and the bigger QIP-2500-3 is you don't get the program guide on the 700. Otherwise, channel availability has always been identical. In your VHO it may have been different.

The DCT-700 should be the same in all VHOs. You get all the channels you are subscribing to, except not in HD. Be careful about the "no charge", the going rate is 3.99/month. Depends on the deal they gave you. A lot of people here got them when they were free for the duration of your life with Verizon. I'm still straightening out the billing on that.

The DCT-700 should be the same in all VHOs. You get all the channels you are subscribing to, except not in HD. Be careful about the "no charge", the going rate is 3.99/month. Depends on the deal they gave you. A lot of people here got them when they were free for the duration of your life with Verizon. I'm still straightening out the billing on that.

I meant the programming sent down the line to HIS DCT-700 from HIS VHO may have been different from mine. From his post, it seemed he formerly received just channels 2-49 and now gets the whole batch. If his VHO recently turned on the +49 channels, I merely pointed out that this was different from my experience. Certainly, the box is the same - except what we pay for it. I'm on the $3.99 plan having just missed the free period. :(
Lucky you if yours is free for life!

ridge,
that's right.
I might not have checked the stations above 49 when I first installed it, but I thought I did.
I maxed out on 3 free when the offer was going on, but had to answer a number of questions to confirm I really needed 3.
So far no charges, but numerous other billing issues I'm having to tackel this month, including being charged for free HBO.
nw

When watching recorded content on one box (QIP7100) from MR-DVR (QIP6416), I'm freqently getting error that boxes can't communicate or lost signal or something.

Any ideas on what i can do to keep this from happening so often?

Verizon is suppose to release a fix in the next IMG update. No time frame as of yet since a previous update broke more than fixed. I'm hoping for March/April but I am just speculating on the update.

When watching recorded content on one box (QIP7100) from MR-DVR (QIP6416), I'm freqently getting error that boxes can't communicate or lost signal or something.

Any ideas on what i can do to keep this from happening so often?

Hi ALL,

Has anyone gotten this error code (HI-3) from the QIP6416? This is a DVR that I just swapped out for my sister because the first DVR kept on freezing and had to be re-booted several times a week. This new DVR seemed to be working fine for about a week and now she has had to re-boot almost once a day.

The connection to the TV (Panny plasma) is via HDMI and I thought it may have something to do with it but I had change the TV input to something else and then back to the DVR, then power down the TV, then "turn off" (NOT unplug power) the DVR (separate steps or in combination) - all to no avail. The only thing that brought it back up was to unplug the power to make it re-boot.

When it stops working there is no picture or sound, but the DVR's front panel seems to indicate that it is accepting remote commands and even changing channels but again nothing on the TV. Then it starts to display "HI-3" alternating with "7". Does anyone know what that means?

I tried looking up a list of the front panel displays error codes but could not find it.

Thanks,
Gerry

The error codes might be the handshake problem with the current version of firmware that's going around. Try component and see if that helps.

It's been discussed over on DSL reports Verizon FiOS problems numerous times. Here's one thread: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21240242-When-will-the-HDMI-handshake-issue-be-resolved

The problem is not limited to Samsung or LG.

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I remember seeing that error code, but I think that was right before I replaced mine. It's not in the customer user manual and I can't find it in the 64xx series manual that I have. I don't know if my STB had a handshake problem, as Verizon replaced it when I asked them to. Haven't had the problem since.

The only code you should see is a "DU1' flash when it does the HDMI handshake with your TV.

The error codes might be the handshake problem with the current version of firmware that's going around. Try component and see if that helps.

It's been discussed over on DSL reports Verizon FiOS problems numerous times. Here's one thread: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21240242-When-will-the-HDMI-handshake-issue-be-resolved

The problem is not limited to Samsung or LG.

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I remember seeing that error code, but I think that was right before I replaced mine. It's not in the customer user manual and I can't find it in the 64xx series manual that I have. I don't know if my STB had a handshake problem, as Verizon replaced it when I asked them to. Haven't had the problem since.

The only code you should see is a "DU1' flash when it does the HDMI handshake with your TV.


Hi GeekGirl,

Yes, I visit the DSLREPORTS forum and I have read those posts before. I am going to try component cables and see how that does.

Thanks,
Gerry

Hi ALL,

I have another post where I describe the problems my sister is having with her DVR and while related my problem with my DVR deserves a new post!

While helping my sister over the phone to try some troubleshooting I wanted to see how difficult it would be to have her unplug and re-plug the HDMI cable into the DVR. So I reached behind my DVR (currently off and TV was also off) and unplugged my HDMI cable from my DVR. I decided it wasn't too difficult so I talked her through a un/re-plug. While I was talking to her I unplugged my cable maybe once or twice again. Her un/re-plugging did not help and I went on to some other things to try.

I didn't turn my TV and DVR on until early evening and when I did there was no picture nor sound to my TV. To make a long story short it seems the HDMI output from the DVR is now dead!!! I tried a new HDMI cable, a different HDMI input on my TV, various off/on cycles and even re-booting the DVR several times. NO HDMI output!!! I switched over to component and that works but the picture with component is good, but with HDMI its better.

I called tech support (only took a couple of minutes to get a human!) and he did a few remote resets to the DVR but still no HDMI. I even unplugged power to the DVR for 4 hours and still no joy!!

I'll probably have to swap out the DVR but has anyone seen anything like this? Again, all I did was unplug and replug the HDMI cable 2 or 3 times - THAT'S IT!!! Is the HDMI circuitry so sensitive?

Thanks,
Gerry

Hi ALL,

I have another post where I describe the problems my sister is having with her DVR and while related my problem with my DVR deserves a new post!

While helping my sister over the phone to try some troubleshooting I wanted to see how difficult it would be to have her unplug and re-plug the HDMI cable into the DVR. So I reached behind my DVR (currently off and TV was also off) and unplugged my HDMI cable from my DVR. I decided it wasn't too difficult so I talked her through a un/re-plug. While I was talking to her I unplugged my cable maybe once or twice again. Her un/re-plugging did not help and I went on to some other things to try.

I didn't turn my TV and DVR on until early evening and when I did there was no picture nor sound to my TV. To make a long story short it seems the HDMI output from the DVR is now dead!!! I tried a new HDMI cable, a different HDMI input on my TV, various off/on cycles and even re-booting the DVR several times. NO HDMI output!!! I switched over to component and that works but the picture with component is good, but with HDMI its better.

I called tech support (only took a couple of minutes to get a human!) and he did a few remote resets to the DVR but still no HDMI. I even unplugged power to the DVR for 4 hours and still no joy!!

I'll probably have to swap out the DVR but has anyone seen anything like this? Again, all I did was unplug and replug the HDMI cable 2 or 3 times - THAT'S IT!!! Is the HDMI circuitry so sensitive?

Thanks,
Gerry

Is it possible that you may have bent / broken some of the pins in the HDM connector? I've seen taht happen when the cable was pulled out at a slight angle.

I didn't turn my TV and DVR on until early evening and when I did there was no picture nor sound to my TV. To make a long story short it seems the HDMI output from the DVR is now dead!!! I tried a new HDMI cable, a different HDMI input on my TV, various off/on cycles and even re-booting the DVR several times. NO HDMI output!!! I switched over to component and that works but the picture with component is good, but with HDMI its better.

Gerry, the DVR outputs the same 1080i over HDMI as it does over component.

Yeah, those cables/connectors can be broken if you don't treat them with care. You can manhandle your RCA connectors, but not HDMI.

I had a similar situation - the cable connector was bad. I'd try "yet" another HDMI cable if you've got one, otherwise watch tv with component cables until your new DVR arrives.

I use port savers in an attempt to minimize the chance of damaging the HDMI connection it the equipment. They are very fragile!

Hi ALL,

Thanks for all the suggestions. I've been around home video setups for quite a while and I am always VERY careful when plugging and unplugging cables. I always make sure never to force a cable when plugging it in to make sure that the pins don't get bent. After the problem surfaced, I took a flashlight and looked into the HDMI opening in the back of the DVR to see it there was any damage and there was none. While static elect could be a problem I do make sure I was grounded to the chassis of the DVR, so that should not have been a problem. It just seems to me that the circuitry was way too sensitive to crap out with only one or two un/re-plugging. And yes, I will just use component until my replacement DVR gets here. Its just a pain in the rear to have to do the swap for something that should not have happened!!!

Thanks,
Gerry

Hi ALL,

Has anyone gotten this error code (HI-3) from the QIP6416? This is a DVR that I just swapped out for my sister because the first DVR kept on freezing and had to be re-booted several times a week. This new DVR seemed to be working fine for about a week and now she has had to re-boot almost once a day.

I have been experiencing this issue since December. I posted on the Verizon forums, but haven't had much response there & the issue has not gone away. This seems to happen after about a week with no other issues being experienced. I'll get up in the morning & notice that the dvr display reads "HI-3" then flashes to "50" and goes back & forth until I reset the box. I called FiOS support & the guy said he needed to 'rebuild the software' and that I would lose all my scheduling & everything. Well, I told him not to do it & I would call back since I don't want to go through all of that yet again & don't believe it will work anyway. It really seems like an HDMI issue & doesn't happen when it's connected via component cables. Does anybody know what this error means?

Here's a thread from DSL Reports on this issue:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21756965-DVR-HI3-flashes-on-screen

For some reason, this morning, we've lost the ability to have sd channels "stretch".
Our br TV, a Samsung 32", has the 6416 kept in stretch mode (480i) because my wife watches mostly sd channels during the night. I've rebooted the box to no avail. The tv settings have not changed. Format: 16X9, source dependent.

I've gone through all the 6416's video settings and it doesn't matter if 4:3 overide is set to off, stretch, or either of the 480 modes. It will stretch momentarily when I change the setting but then immediatly goes back to 4:3, pilars. The service menu still is sd:480i ( the default).

Anyone have any suggestions, as the box/tv have worked fine for the last 6 mo.

For some reason, this morning, we've lost the ability to have sd channels "stretch".
Our br TV, a Samsung 32", has the 6416 kept in stretch mode (480i) because my wife watches mostly sd channels during the night. I've rebooted the box to no avail. The tv settings have not changed. Format: 16X9, source dependent.

I've gone through all the 6416's video settings and it doesn't matter if 4:3 overide is set to off, stretch, or either of the 480 modes. It will stretch momentarily when I change the setting but then immediatly goes back to 4:3, pilars. The service menu still is sd:480i ( the default).

Anyone have any suggestions, as the box/tv have worked fine for the last 6 mo.

Is it possible that the ASPECT settings( full, jusitfy, 4:3, wide, etc) on the TV was inadvertently changed somehow by pushing a button on its remote or on set controls?

Is it possible that the ASPECT settings( full, jusitfy, 4:3, wide, etc) on the TV was inadvertently changed somehow by pushing a button on its remote or on set controls?
No, in fact the Fios remote is the only one we use on this tv and it's not programmed for the tv . I did recheck the aspect ratio again this morning and it was still on 16X9. Just weird haow the full screen comes on momentarily when I change the stb's video settings and the back to pilar box.

No, in fact the Fios remote is the only one we use on this tv and it's not programmed for the tv . I did recheck the aspect ratio again this morning and it was still on 16X9. Just weird haow the full screen comes on momentarily when I change the stb's video settings and the back to pilar box.

Have you contacted the Fios 2nd level tech folks out in Seattle?

PM me and I will give you the number... I don't everyone in town to start calling them with BS questions and ruining it for folks with real issues as yours.:rolleyes:

Have you contacted the Fios 2nd level tech folks out in Seattle?

PM me and I will give you the number... I don't everyone in town to start calling them with BS questions and ruining it for folks with real issues as yours.:rolleyes:
Now, here's something strange ( besides all the wind again today). I just checked the second 6416 (hooked up to a Pio Elite 50") in the den and it's doing the exact same thing. I thought I'd do a reset via the web site, but, as happens so often, got the msg that "could not retrieve tv information" so no go on the reset.
PM a coming...

Hi

Does anyone know if a bad dvr box can lead to macroblocking? I've been seeing it since I signed for fios(6weeks ago). Not on every program but on most and every channel ive watched. happens mostly on scene changes, pans and quick to semi quick motions. I called tech support but the guy didn't know what macroblocking was, ughhhh. I'll have to call back and try my luck with someone else.

Am I just menu-challenged, or is there really no way to jump to a specific time code in a recorded program? I fell asleep last night with about an hour of the PGA event left to go and wanted to watch the part I missed during breakfast this morning. I couldn't see any way to skip the first three hours other than fast-forwarding. There didn't seem to be any way to tell it to start at, say, 3:00:00 into the recording.

No, there is no way to jump ahead other than FF or 30 sec skip.

I find it amusing that volunteer programmers who make open-source software video players find it possible to include all the controls people might want, yet multi-billion dollar companies with huge staffs of salaried programmers can't provide a similarly useful device.

I understand that the incentives are different between the two groups: Making commercial skipping too easy isn't popular with the telecasters. And there's also the fact that big companies like VZ and Motorola generally have a low opinion of the technical sophistication of the users of their products. So they adopt low-road products with few options.

Still, they could add some "advanced" features like time-skipping that can be hidden by default if you think they'll confuse the subscribers. DVD players that sell for less then $50 have features like these; why not set-top boxes?*

VZ could probably even make a little extra money if they offered an advanced DVR (larger hard drive, eSATA, more options) for a few bucks more a month. It couldn't cost much more than $50 per unit to add these features, and they could probably charge $5/month additional to rent one.

Everything I've heard about the 72xx generation of DVRs suggests it's not fundamentally any smarter or more powerful than the 62xx generation. True?

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*That's partly rhetorical as I do know some reasons:
1) They serve a captive market. Even people here don't seem to be leaving FiOS because of its DVR. So the incentives to VZ are to cut costs to the bone by providing a least-common-denominator set-top box.
2) VZ comes from the regulated telephone industry. In that environment VZ needed to pay attention to Federal and state regulatory bodies much more than to its subscribers' wishes. Competing in a crowded marketplace like video delivery isn't the same at all, but mindsets and large corporate entities take time to change. The customer service woes we've all experienced with FiOS is another example of VZ having problems adjusting to competing for consumers' business.

I find it amusing that volunteer programmers who make open-source software video players find it possible to include all the controls people might want, yet multi-billion dollar companies with huge staffs of salaried programmers can't provide a similarly useful device. Writing software for a PC or Mac with a 65watt, 2GHz dual-core, general purpose CPU is not the same as writing software for a 10-15watt, 300MHz DVR SoC (system-on-a-chip) that incorporates a built-in decoder with hardware acceleration for specific DVR functions.

Volunteer and open source programmers also tend not to pay much attention to little things like patents and technology licensing, which commercial entities must take very seriously.

I understand that the incentives are different between the two groups: Making commercial skipping too easy isn't popular with the telecasters. And there's also the fact that big companies like VZ and Motorola generally have a low opinion of the technical sophistication of the users of their products. So they adopt low-road products with few options.
As you may recall, ReplayTV added "commercial advance" and was sued out of existence.

Some cable channels are distributed at relatively high prices, but multichannel providers receive free advertising slots as compensation. Channels like ESPN give providers 1/3 to 1/5 of their advertising slots, so it's not in their best interest to make commercial skipping any easier than competitive pressures require.

Some cable companies like Cablevision, Comcast, and Time Warner (for now) are also content owners. Their channels lose money when viewers skip commercials.

Still, they could add some "advanced" features like time-skipping that can be hidden by default if you think they'll confuse the subscribers. DVD players that sell for less then $50 have features like these; why not set-top boxes?*I believe ReplayTV (now owned by DirecTV) has some patents related to that functionality on a DVR.

VZ could probably even make a little extra money if they offered an advanced DVR (larger hard drive, eSATA, more options) for a few bucks more a month. It couldn't cost much more than $50 per unit to add these features, and they could probably charge $5/month additional to rent one.Cable providers don't make a profit on DVRs. They are a loss leader used to (a) reduce churn and/or (b) encourage customers to subscribe to more expensive programming packages.

Every Motorola and SA DVR in the United States is deployed with a 160GB drive for a reason. Cable companies want to keep the costs as low as possible to minimize capital investment and losses on DVR service. Cable companies have also found that limiting capacity serves to promote their VOD services.

As far as eSATA expansion, Verizon will offer that functionality as soon as Motorola can make it work reliably.

Everything I've heard about the 72xx generation of DVRs suggests it's not fundamentally any smarter or more powerful than the 62xx generation. True? The 72xx is basically a 64xx DVR with added support for MPEG-4 and VC-1 (which Verizon is not using yet).

I have a quick question. Hope this is appropriate for this thread or needed a new one. Feel free to move or create a new thread if needed.

We just switched to Verizon Fios and they sent us this free HD DVR, listed in the title, for 6 months. I get what it does, but my question is, is it intended to replace our current Fios receiver, or be in addition to? For instance, do I take out our current receiver and put this in its place? Or do I hook up the DVR along with the receiver? Thanks for any help! As you can see it's my first foray into DVR's, lol.

I have a quick question. Hope this is appropriate for this thread or needed a new one. Feel free to move or create a new thread if needed.

We just switched to Verizon Fios and they sent us this free HD DVR, listed in the title, for 6 months. I get what it does, but my question is, is it intended to replace our current Fios receiver, or be in addition to? For instance, do I take out our current receiver and put this in its place? Or do I hook up the DVR along with the receiver? Thanks for any help! As you can see it's my first foray into DVR's, lol.It replaces the receiver.

Writing software for a PC or Mac with a 65watt, 2GHz dual-core, general purpose CPU is not the same as writing software for a 10-15watt, 300MHz DVR SoC (system-on-a-chip) that incorporates a built-in decoder with hardware acceleration for specific DVR functions.

Yeah, but that still doesn't explain the garbage software in these devices. To explain that we return to the fact that these cable companies lock you in with no other choice and then outsource this stuff to whomever (and wherever) will do it the cheapest. The really don't care about the results.

To compare, think about what you would have if each cell phone provider had only one phone you could use. Now compound that by many people only having a choice of one provider. You would be lucky to have a one pound phone that could reliably make calls and perhaps send a text message. That's what we have for DVRs.

Well, I just watched another show recorded in SD that cut off the opening credits (NBC Medium) and, I swear the House episode I'm watching now is zoomed, but the credits are more centered, so they are not clipped.
I have been through the menu top to bottom and can't find a setting that would explain why SD is not recording as it should.
Has anyone ever run into this problem?

ER and Medium have both exhibited this, and more are doing it, its just not as apparent. Its like they are playing back with 15% overscan.

Next Thursday, I plan on doing a side by side comparision during ER, but I'd like to hear from others that might have seen this.

Thanks,
nw

Uh, not to state the obvious, here but why not record/watch in HD ? Why would you watch any network show in SD with this receiver ?

I think that shows that are widescreen and were being broadcast in SD Letterbox are being cropped for some reason. I had the same issue watching through one of the 700 boxes - the free digital adapter. Unknown if this is coming from the network, or Verizon is doing their own chopping. Perhaps the networks eliminated their SD feeds, which were properly letterboxed.

Well, I just watched another show recorded in SD that cut off the opening credits (NBC Medium) and, I swear the House episode I'm watching now is zoomed, but the credits are more centered, so they are not clipped.

Uh, not to state the obvious, here but why not record/watch in HD ? Why would you watch any network show in SD with this receiver ?

Disk space.

Tier 1 shows get the HD treatment and viewed right way.
Tier 2 shows get stashed away until later.

Disk space.

Tier 1 shows get the HD treatment and viewed right way.
Tier 2 shows get stashed away until later.

How are others dealing with the limited disk space on the FIOS DVR box with HD content. Now that I FINALLY got a HDTV, I want to record in that. But 20 hours just wont cut it. I know that TIVO is an option, but I dont want to loose the multiroom function and FIOS on demand. Has anyone figured out a nice medium for these issues?

Thanks
David

How are others dealing with the limited disk space on the FIOS DVR box with HD content. Now that I FINALLY got a HDTV, I want to record in that. But 20 hours just wont cut it.

How much TV do all y'all watch?

My wife and I watch: CSI, CSI:NY, NCIS, Bones, Battlestar, Numbers, Dollhouse, Scrubs, Two and a Half Men (new & reruns), Medium, Cold Case, Flashpoint, 60 Minutes, Without a Trace, and Quantum Leap (repeats obviously). Before cancellation we also had Eli Stone on that list.

With the exception of 60 Minutes and QL, everything is recorded in HD. We filled the drive once, when Sci-Fi decided to run a Stargate Atlantis marathon and the DVR couldn't tell they were all re-runs, so recorded about eight or ten hours worth of SG:A. Other than that, the highest we've gotten was 95%. Usually it hovers around 65% full.

How much TV do all y'all watch?

My wife and I watch: CSI, CSI:NY, NCIS, Bones, Battlestar, Numbers, Dollhouse, Scrubs, Two and a Half Men (new & reruns), Medium, Cold Case, Flashpoint, 60 Minutes, Without a Trace, and Quantum Leap (repeats obviously). Before cancellation we also had Eli Stone on that list.

With the exception of 60 Minutes and QL, everything is recorded in HD. We filled the drive once, when Sci-Fi decided to run a Stargate Atlantis marathon and the DVR couldn't tell they were all re-runs, so recorded about eight or ten hours worth of SG:A. Other than that, the highest we've gotten was 95%. Usually it hovers around 65% full.

More then 50% is the kids favorite shows that we keep all the time. Which leaves us a limited amount of space for our shows. I wish I could hook up an external Hard drive to this.

Disk space.

Tier 1 shows get the HD treatment and viewed right way.
Tier 2 shows get stashed away until later.
Yea, but don't forget that a number of shows are available in HD and SD via VOD. No need to record those and waste the disc space.

Medium and ER, that you mentioned, are both in SD via VOD (why NBC isn't available in VOD HD is a mystery to me).

Other shows that I don't record because they ARE available in VOD HD, include CSI, CSI NY/Miami and Numbers

How are others dealing with the limited disk space on the FIOS DVR box with HD content. Now that I FINALLY got a HDTV, I want to record in that. But 20 hours just wont cut it. I know that TIVO is an option, but I dont want to loose the multiroom function and FIOS on demand. Has anyone figured out a nice medium for these issues?

Thanks
David

Depends on what you want to do and the amount of money you have available. A combination of a Tivo with added storage for general viewing, along with a regular non-DVR HD STB will give you the disk space and the HD/SD VOD. If you have another DVR, make that a multi room DVR.

I may add a Tivo in due time if the HD DVR is not given expandable memory. Rumors have it that the expansion will be made available later this year, so the point may be moot (USB is our friend). There are a lot of other good reasons to go Tivo, but for me, expandable recording space is the next big thing I'd like.

Problem: When I am viewing a prerecorded show from the QIP6416DVR on my other hd box (6416) and I fastforward towards the end of the show, it goes back to the beggining of the show. Has anyone had this problem?

Problem: When I am viewing a prerecorded show from the QIP6416DVR on my other hd box (6416) and I fastforward towards the end of the show, it goes back to the beggining of the show. Has anyone had this problem?

Yes, I just figured that is what was supposed to happen when it hits the end.

it does it 1/2 or 3/4 through the show. You can skp commercials earlier on, but not after some random point later in the recording.

If you mean when watching a recorded program on your remote STB then yes. This is corrected in 1.6.2. You will have it on Tuesday.

Problem: When I am viewing a prerecorded show from the QIP6416DVR on my other hd box (6416) and I fastforward towards the end of the show, it goes back to the beggining of the show. Has anyone had this problem?

This is corrected in 1.6.2. You will have it on Tuesday.

Does anyone know when the next version (1.6.1 or 1.6.2?) will be rolled out in the Washington, DC area?

Does anyone know when the next version (1.6.1 or 1.6.2?) will be rolled out in the Washington, DC area?

1.6.2 will be rolled to us on 3/31 according to a reliable source over at dslreports forum.

If you mean when watching a recorded program on your remote STB then yes. This is corrected in 1.6.2. You will have it on Tuesday.

Thank you!

Ok - still at 1.6.0 in Mass. Getting annoyed - is there an area to get the info on when the rollout happens in the different areas?

A good source is here:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21975310-162-Upgrade-Thread

Ok - still at 1.6.0 in Mass. Getting annoyed - is there an area to get the info on when the rollout happens in the different areas?

A good source is here:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21975310-162-Upgrade-Thread

Thanks, Mark.

Well, Verizon did an update a couple of days ago here in northern NJ.

The guide is now slower than ever.

We got 1.6.2 recently - not sure when - and since I returned from a trip on Wed. 3/11, I have noticed my 6416 and 6200-2 faithfully displays the clock rather than reverting to the channel number. Finally!! I haven't really noticed any other changes/improvements.

Arrrgh! My DVR (recently upgraded to 1.6.2) just went nuts. I was watching a show, when the picture suddenly went away, and the display on the front showed "EAS" (or "EA5"). Powering it off and on with the front power switch didn't do anything, so I pulled the power plug, and after I plugged it back in, it's just been sitting at a "starting up..." screen for the last 10 minutes.

How long did you leave it unplugged ? At least 10 min before you plug it back in. If that doesn't work, you can do a complete reset via phone or online at the Vzn website.

How long did you leave it unplugged ? At least 10 min before you plug it back in. If that doesn't work, you can do a complete reset via phone or online at the Vzn website.I tried leaving it down for a while, and even rebooted my router just in case - no luck. Also, my two STBs were also showing the "EAS" on the display.

So I called Verizon tech support, and the guy I talked to said that there's a video outage in my area (I live in Eastern Mass.). He didn't have an ETA, but I just noticed that at least one of my STBs is already back, although the DVR is not.

Hopefully when I get up in the morning, all will be well again...

Yep, everything's back to normal - whew!

Hey, a little off topic, from the questions going on currently. I'm trying to figure out if this unit will allow audio to be sent out on 2 sources. I"m am trying to use Component Video cable for the video source, but I want see if I can get 2 outbound audio sources. The main one for TV viewing would be optical, which is what I'm currently using, and that is going into my AV receiver. I just bought a sling box solo, and that has a Component Vidoe, so that is a pass thru box. But I need some sort of audio source, and the Solo will only take RCA jack, for the sound. I'm trying to find out if the QIP is configurable to send out audio on both interfaces ( optical, and Composite audio). I'm not sure if this makes sense, or not.

Thanks.
Sony

Hey, a little off topic, from the questions going on currently. I'm trying to figure out if this unit will allow audio to be sent out on 2 sources. I"m am trying to use Component Video cable for the video source, but I want see if I can get 2 outbound audio sources. The main one for TV viewing would be optical, which is what I'm currently using, and that is going into my AV receiver. I just bought a sling box solo, and that has a Component Vidoe, so that is a pass thru box. But I need some sort of audio source, and the Solo will only take RCA jack, for the sound. I'm trying to find out if the QIP is configurable to send out audio on both interfaces ( optical, and Composite audio). I'm not sure if this makes sense, or not.

Thanks.
Sony

Audio and Video are output through all outputs at all time. So Yes you can use the Analog R/L Stereo RCA Out to feed the Slingbox, while still using HDMI or Optical / Coax Digital Audio out.

Is there any way to keep the DVR from cutting off the last few minutes of a recording?

Thanks

Is there any way to keep the DVR from cutting off the last few minutes of a recording?Can you give an example?

If you are talking about Fringe, that show started and ended late several times, because American Idol ran past its scheduled time. You would need to pad / extend your recording by about five minutes, regardless of the DVR you have.

The same thing frequently happens with CBS on Sunday as well. CBS series like The Unit frequently start and end late, because the preceding events ran late.

Thanks bfdtv,

How does one add a pad?

He means to add extra time to the recording.

It is in your series record options or hit info on the show your recording and click on modify show options ect. it will let you edit the start and end times.

You can Pad a recording that isn't a series recording as well. Just go into View Schedule and select the show. Select OK and then Modify. You can add more time to the beginning and end if you so desire.

We just had the latest update here in So Cal and was wondering if anybody with a 7216 is still having issues?
My 6416-2 is now having audio cut outs plus I get a white line along the top of the picture. It happens on TV, Movie Channels, Commercials and even recorded programs.
Verizon CS was very helpful in trying to help get it fixed but it is a problem with the box and so they are sending a new one(6416 again.)
I was suposssed to get the new 7216 when I had my insatall but they said they were having to many issues and once they were addressed that they would send me one.
So I am curious if the owners are having any issues with 7216 befoe I ask them to send me one or if I should wait and keep the 6416 for now.

Thanks for you help.:)

We just had the latest update here in So Cal and was wondering if anybody with a 7216 is still having issues?
My 6416-2 is now having audio cut outs plus I get a white line along the top of the picture. It happens on TV, Movie Channels, Commercials and even recorded programs.
Verizon CS was very helpful in trying to help get it fixed but it is a problem with the box and so they are sending a new one(6416 again.)
I was suposssed to get the new 7216 when I had my insatall but they said they were having to many issues and once they were addressed that they would send me one.
So I am curious if the owners are having any issues with 7216 befoe I ask them to send me one or if I should wait and keep the 6416 for now.

Thanks for you help.:)

Well, I don't know how much help I can be but, I just had FIOS installed last Tuesday(04.14) with a 7216. I have an Elite 151 and I was coming from Comcast with a 3416. So far the 7216 has worked pretty well. I've been pretty busy so I can't say I have watched a ton but, other than trying to get used to the new guide and set up I can't complain. The series recording has worked and about the only thing I have noticed, and it was only once, was an audio drop for a second or two. Watched last night for a couple of hours and no problems. I am in the Boston area,.
Good luck

You can Pad a recording that isn't a series recording as well. Just go into View Schedule and select the show. Select OK and then Modify. You can add more time to the beginning and end if you so desire.

This is a problem during football season too... catching all of "The Unit" on Sunday night can be tricky. Sometimes extending a half hour isn't enough. I had to extend it an hour, which burns up available recording space.

Has anyone figured out how to do so after a recording has started?

This is a problem during football season too... catching all of "The Unit" on Sunday night can be tricky. Sometimes extending a half hour isn't enough. I had to extend it an hour, which burns up available recording space.

Has anyone figured out how to do so after a recording has started?

You can sign up here to get an e-mail or text message with the delayed start times for CBS programs.

http://www.cbs.com/eye-lerts/

This is a problem during football season too... catching all of "The Unit" on Sunday night can be tricky. Sometimes extending a half hour isn't enough. I had to extend it an hour, which burns up available recording space.

Has anyone figured out how to do so after a recording has started?

You can't.

This is a problem during football season too... catching all of "The Unit" on Sunday night can be tricky. Sometimes extending a half hour isn't enough. I had to extend it an hour, which burns up available recording space.

Has anyone figured out how to do so after a recording has started?

What I have done (and this is assuming you are there in front of your box as you seem to be saying) is just go into the guide and set it to record whatever is next up on the same channel. You might have to guesstimate how long/how many programs next up to record to be sure to cover what you need.

Is anyone else using the new (at least new for those who didn't have the Multi-room DVR before) Remote DVR feature?

I think it is great that you can go into the listings and add shows, as well as see what upcoming shows you have, and see what shows were recorded.

However, is there a way to see the information for the shows that have been recorded? All it shows me is the channel and date/time. There is no link to click on to get the plot summary info, like you can for upcoming shows.

Has anyone figured out how to do this (short of looking up the show online, and seeing which episode aired at that time)?

What I have done (and this is assuming you are there in front of your box as you seem to be saying) is just go into the guide and set it to record whatever is next up on the same channel. You might have to guesstimate how long/how many programs next up to record to be sure to cover what you need.

FWIW, If I'm adding a recording for a game, like game 7 tonight between the Rangers and Caps, I usually record whatever follows the event as well to cover overtime situations or other delays. Nothing worse than missing the end of a close game because the recording ended. If I know the game ended on time, I can delete the 'extra' recording to conserve the space or if the game ran late but the ending was good and I want to show it to my son, I'll delete the game and just keep the ending/post-game show.

Unfortunately this doesn't work well for series recordings. It would be nice if there were a unique code included in the signal of each show so the DVR could automagically pickup slight changes in the beginning or ending time of a particular program.

It would be nice if there were a unique code included in the signal of each show so the DVR could automagically pickup slight changes in the beginning or ending time of a particular program.

Something I have wished for as well. Would be nice to send a start and stop pulse so that the DVR would know when the show is actually on. American Idol for instance likes to start at 7:59:31 and of course the DVR starts at 8:00:00 so I miss :29 seconds of the beginning. And of course they insist on trying to fit an hour and 5 minutes into an hour so the show runs 1:05:22. It would be nice if that same signal was sent then to stop the recording.

All this doesn't seem impossible but of course requires the broadcasters to buy and use more equipment and the DVR software has to recognize it.

One day....

Is anyone else using the new (at least new for those who didn't have the Multi-room DVR before) Remote DVR feature?

I think it is great that you can go into the listings and add shows, as well as see what upcoming shows you have, and see what shows were recorded.

However, is there a way to see the information for the shows that have been recorded? All it shows me is the channel and date/time. There is no link to click on to get the plot summary info, like you can for upcoming shows.

Has anyone figured out how to do this (short of looking up the show online, and seeing which episode aired at that time)?
I'm using, it's a great feature, but like you said it's very "bare bones" right now.
You can't edit start/end time either.
Better than nothing, of course, but I hope they enhance it in the near future....

Our Fios DVRs both the HD and nonHD Motorola models are always nearly full with approx 20hours of SD programming on them, Is there some way to correct this. It is getting really old having to delete stuff all the time when these should be able to record 20 hours of HD I would expect far more when only recording SD.

Thanks

Our Fios DVRs both the HD and nonHD Motorola models are always nearly full with approx 20hours of SD programming on them, Is there some way to correct this. It is getting really old having to delete stuff all the time when these should be able to record 20 hours of HD I would expect far more when only recording SD.There is no means to expand the capacity on the Motorola DVR.

At this time, you have two basic choices if you want more capacity on FiOS -- the TivoHD and Moxi. These are available with 1TB and 500GB, and both officially support external hard drives of at least 1TB (Moxi supports 2TB external drives).

Verizon does plan to offer another storage/capacity option before the end of the year.

Our Fios DVRs both the HD and nonHD Motorola models are always nearly full with approx 20hours of SD programming on them, Is there some way to correct this. It is getting really old having to delete stuff all the time when these should be able to record 20 hours of HD I would expect far more when only recording SD.

Thanks

You need to be sure you're not getting a false-full reading on your STB. Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back in. See if the % used changes. I'll bet it does. Every so often the unit forgets how to calculate space on the HD. Unplugging resets the process.

You need to be sure you're not getting a false-full reading on your STB. Unplug it for a few minutes and plug it back in. See if the % used changes. I'll bet it does. Every so often the unit forgets how to calculate space on the HD. Unplugging resets the process.

Yeah, it's amazing how much space is "freed up" with mine whenever there is an extended power outage.

OK, so I was watching Legend of the Seeker on WGN HD today. All was fine, got the full 16:9 image in all its' HD glory. After tuning to another channel for a minute or two, I went back to WGN HD, and all of a sudden, the image was in 4:3 format, with the black bars on right and left. This happens from time to time anyway, and my assumption was always that the network feed had changed at one point.

However, when I rewound the cached portion of the show, scenes I had previously watched in 16:9 were now being replayed in 4:3 from the cache.
No settings were changed, nothing was touched, other than that I switched channels for a couple of minutes (to another HD channel that was 16:9, if that matters). Any thoughts on what might be going on here? I find this extremely odd! Connection is HDMI, set to 1080i. Not sure about the override setting off hand right now, but since that shouldn't affect HD anyway...

If anybody has any thoughts before I call the techies, I would appreciate the input! Thanks much!

Talked to tech support today (see post above). Apparently the switching back and forth between 16:9 and 4:3 is a known issue that they're working on "for the next update". Is this HDMI related? I have, btw, looked all over the forums to see if anybody else had this issue specifically with rewinding the DVR and seeing formerly 16:9 content in 4:3, but did not see that discussed anywhere.

OK, wtf is going on? This morning I turn on my TV and receiver and start watching. About 30 seconds later, the picture breaks up a bit and the STB turns itself off, displaying 88:88. Then it appears to reboot saying "du1" a couple times.

Now whenever I turn it on (or reset it), it'll kick into standby mode. I press MENU and I get a split second of TV coming through and then it turns back off, reboots, and comes into standby again.

I had this too starting mid-morning. But it would only happen while tuned to ESPN (570). I tried a handful of other SD and HD channels, which seemed fine.

I had this too starting mid-morning. But it would only happen while tuned to ESPN (570). I tried a handful of other SD and HD channels, which seemed fine.

Holy crap, that was the same channel I was on :p:p

How bizarre!

^^ Why don't you guys disclose where the frak you are? :rolleyes:

Just got FiOS almost a week ago and already have DVR problems. Anyone with the QIP6416-1 have reboot problems? Please tell me there is a solution to this problem or else the wife will give me a hard time about switching from satellite because we never had a problem with our HR20-700's. Is there another model that might be available (besides TIVO) that does not have this problem? Or are all the VZ boxes doomed? Love the FiOS:D, but starting to hate the DVR:mad:

This'll probably be the kiss of death for me but my 6416-2 has been pretty solid since I got it over 1 1/2 yrs ago. A few quirky software issues easily resolved are all I've suffered. I don't know if experiences differ with the -1 model. See if you can ask for/get a -2 and determine if there's a difference. Maybe it's your VHO that keeps initializing the STB causing the reboots. Call and see. Good luck!

Being a newbie to FiOS, what does VHO stand for?

Being a newbie to FiOS, what does VHO stand for?Video Hub Office.

Verizon has two "super head-end" (SHE) facilities where they acquire the national cable channels using fiber and large satellite dishes. These channels are then distributed to "video hub offices" (VHOs) in each region. The VHO obtains and adds the local channels.

Is there a way to stretch the guide on my 6416-2 to fit my widescreen tv? most of the time it seems to default to a 4:3 ratio, once i was able to fit to a 16:9, but it was a fluke & i can't get it to stay there.

Is the 6416 MVR capable? I thought only the 7216's were.................

Is there a way to stretch the guide on my 6416-2 to fit my widescreen tv? most of the time it seems to default to a 4:3 ratio, once i was able to fit to a 16:9, but it was a fluke & i can't get it to stay there.At this time, no cable DVRs support a 16:9 EPG.

Verizon expects to offer a 16:9 EPG early next year, although it won't necessarily be on the existing Motorola boxes.

Is the 6416 MVR capable? I thought only the 7216's were.................Yes, it is. The 7216 is essentially just a 6416 with an updated CPU that adds MPEG-4 support (which Verizon doesn't currently use).

Is there a way to stretch the guide on my 6416-2 to fit my widescreen tv? most of the time it seems to default to a 4:3 ratio, once i was able to fit to a 16:9, but it was a fluke & i can't get it to stay there.

If you play with the SD modes in the service menu, one of them will make the guide stretch across your whole screen. It's not a 16:9 guide, but rather a 4:3 guide stretched. It's really dealing with how to output SD content, so when you pick stretch, all of your non HD content will stretch and fill your screen (if you fancy that kind of thing) so you won't see bars on the side. But then again, everyone and everything will have the wrong aspect ratio too, which is why I leave my override set to 'off' instead of stretch.

I'm curious about the end user experience with the Verizon FIOS exchange by mail program.:rolleyes: If you have used it, what has your experience been? Has there been any DVR/STB damage? What has been your opinion of the presentation?

Do you mean replacing a broken DVR/STB by mail? I've done that once. Sent via UPS. No problems. Easy.

I'm curious about the end user experience with the Verizon FIOS exchange by mail program.:rolleyes: If you have used it, what has your experience been? Has there been any DVR/STB damage? What has been your opinion of the presentation?

I have had two boxes replaced by this method - no problems, either in receipt or return.

I'm curious about the end user experience with the Verizon FIOS exchange by mail program.:rolleyes: If you have used it, what has your experience been? Has there been any DVR/STB damage? What has been your opinion of the presentation?

Do you mean replacing a broken DVR/STB by mail? I've done that once. Sent via UPS. No problems. Easy.

Yes Geek Girl, that is exactly what I mean. I designed the packaging, and I'm trying to determine how it is performing in the field. Thank you for your input.;)

Yes, a couple weeks ago I too started experiencing several crashes/reboots of the DVR box (I have a QIP6416-2)... it hadn't done that but once in a blue moon before but now it's doing it quite often.

I typically notice it do that if I'm previewing a recorded file and hit the fast forward button several times very close together trying to get to the 4-arrow FF mode. Then BAM!!!.. click sound and reboot time.

I've also had it crash right after I deleted a program and then after it reboot the program cannot be viewed, but is still back there in my listings. I'm scared to "delete" it if the pointers may be screwed up and blow something else away instead (I may try after I clear some more stuff off the DVR).

I'm curious about the end user experience with the Verizon FIOS exchange by mail program.:rolleyes: If you have used it, what has your experience been? Has there been any DVR/STB damage? What has been your opinion of the presentation?

I just recently had two exchanges, the first replacement was defective and required another. In both cases, the replacement DVR was filthy dirty and obviously NOT reconditioned. The cases had dents & scratches and ware clearly USED. I was extremely disappointed that the first was even sent. The LED display had a bad segment. Obviously, quality control was absent, as this basic defect should have been caught - assuming any testing was actually performed.

The packaging was fine. Returning the unit was simple and easy, but then again, I live 2 miles from one of those "shipping/parcel" stores, that does UPS processing. Sticking a label on the box & dropping it off there was a breeze.

The actual exchange process was fine. The quality of the product inside the box, however, was not.

I recently purchased a 37" Samsung HD LCD TV. This TV supports 120hz refresh rate. When I set things up and check to status of the TV it tells me that it is running at 60hz. According to the Samsung support site the reason is as follows:

The only time the Info Screen displays a different frequency is when it is receiving a 1080p signal at 24 frames per second (FPS).


On my Verizon DVR I only see an option for 1080i. I assume that is the issue. Am I sunk here? Will the DVR ever support 1080p?

(BTW, what an awsome picture I get on this TV)

Thanks

Verizon does not distribute content at 1080p, so it's a moot point.

You'll see the full benefit of your new display when you playback Bluray :)

That said, at 1080i coming from Verizon, you're getting the best PQ possible.

I'm curious about the end user experience with the Verizon FIOS exchange by mail program.:rolleyes: If you have used it, what has your experience been? Has there been any DVR/STB damage? What has been your opinion of the presentation?

I just recently had two exchanges, the first replacement was defective and required another. In both cases, the replacement DVR was filthy dirty and obviously NOT reconditioned. The cases had dents & scratches and ware clearly USED. I was extremely disappointed that the first was even sent. The LED display had a bad segment. Obviously, quality control was absent, as this basic defect should have been caught - assuming any testing was actually performed.

The packaging was fine. Returning the unit was simple and easy, but then again, I live 2 miles from one of those "shipping/parcel" stores, that does UPS processing. Sticking a label on the box & dropping it off there was a breeze.

The actual exchange process was fine. The quality of the product inside the box, however, was not.

Steve,

Do you believe that the damage was present before it was shipped to you, or do you think that there is a possibility it happened in transit?

Was your experience such that it would cause you to consider changing services?:rolleyes:

Thank you for your input,
Dan

Dan,

My guess is that my replacement DVR was "fixed" and put in the box. The damage to the DVR was most likely the result of its previous owner, that VZ apparently chose not to fix. Other than the defective display segment (which must have been missed during the repair process), the damage was all cosmetic, as I said. Major scratches and dents on the case could not have occurred in the packaging and transport. Clearly, the repair process has holes in it - especially during the quality control and testing phase.

While I understand and expect that replacement units will be pulled from a stock of repaired units, I did expect that the repair/refurbishment process would yield a replacement that looked new. This was hugely disappointing. If you can pass that comment up the line, it may help improve this part of the process.

I think the packaging and swap out process was excellent. It could not have been easier. The replacement arrived within 2 days and was securely packaged, with all the instructions and accessories present. And, placing a label on the box & dropping it off at a UPS shipping facility was not a problem at all. I walked in, handed them the sealed box and was on my way in less than a minute. This was the best part of the customer experience.

I would have been more happy, if the replacement DVR was clean and free from major scratches and dents. Oh, and of course, did not have a failing display.

I would not consider changing providers because of this, however. I may request another DVR, since I hate seeing that scratched & dented one in my equipment rack.

-steve

Dan,

My guess is that my replacement DVR was "fixed" and put in the box. The damage to the DVR was most likely the result of its previous owner, that VZ apparently chose not to fix. Other than the defective display segment (which must have been missed during the repair process), the damage was all cosmetic, as I said. Major scratches and dents on the case could not have occurred in the packaging and transport. Clearly, the repair process has holes in it - especially during the quality control and testing phase.

Or, the damage could be the result of the unit being returned to VZ from a disconnecting customer in a "free" Post Office Electronics Return Pack. I've seen that type of damage before, but not from my packaging.:D

Have you formally complained to VZ?

Dan

Dan,

No. I didn't bother complaining. I was just happy to FINALLY get a DVR that worked, I chose to live with the cosmetic damage. Lat thing that I would want is to receive a shiny, clean, undamaged DVR - that doesn't work :(

-steve

My guess is that my replacement DVR was "fixed" and put in the box. The damage to the DVR was most likely the result of its previous owner, that VZ apparently chose not to fix. Other than the defective display segment (which must have been missed during the repair process), the damage was all cosmetic, as I said. Major scratches and dents on the case could not have occurred in the packaging and transport. Clearly, the repair process has holes in it - especially during the quality control and testing phase.As you've found, Verizon doesn't ship customers new boxes unless they have none of the older on hand. They recycle the same boxes regardless of whether you have one shipped or setup in person by an installer.

Of course, they are supposed to test every return / pickup to make sure it works.

I'm not surprised by that, at all.

What I am surprised (disappointed) with is the apparent lack of QC on the repaired/returned/refurbished units. I mean, come on. Obviously the one they sent me was never plugged in and tested. How could you miss a bad LED digit on the font panel????

I also would expect them to replace the outer case if it is damaged. Nope. A few minor scratches is understandable. But, the one they sent me looked like it was dropped and then dragged across the floor.

I have the non-DVR version of this box (Verizon's HD STB) in my kids' playroom. For the life of me I can't get the SD override setting to work. I like it in Stretch mode. But as soon as it's turned off and turned back on, it resets to 480i. It does this through both the remote menu and the STB power-off menu. Is this just a bug I have to live with for now? It didn't used to do this, so I'm thinking it's a software update bug.

So do I need to get a new FIOS box? I have a Pioneer Elite 111fd a beautiful set. When I am watching Blu Ray- the pic is flawless. I mean it is just drop dead gorgeous. The Fios pic is not bad either, but it is 1080i. The issue that I am having frequently when there is a fast sequence on the screen, the picture get out of focus for less than a spilt second. As short as that time is, it is very noticable when it happens over and over again.

Since I do not have this problem with the Blu ray, I know the TV is fine, I even switched the HDMI jacks to see if it might be the jack and the problem continued. For what its worth, my xbox does not have this issue either.

Has anyone experience what I am talking about? Any solutions? Thanks.

Mawingo - there was a bug reported over in the DSL Reports.com Verizon FiOS forum ( http://www.dslreports.com/forum/vzfiostv )that when you set the TV resolution via the remote menu, it reset the 4:3 override. I think it was fixed in the DVR version of the box a while back. Not sure how it applies to the non-HD version.

satmina1914 - Motion blur shouldn't happen. You need to be sure that it's on all HD channels before asking for a new box. That certainly is a nice display. I have a Samsung 63" plasma (PN63B550). No problem here.

We just installed FIOS with one DVR and 2 STBs in their Home Media package. When we ordered the sale rep assured me that we could cause the DVR to record from either of the STBs.

After unsuccessfully trying this for a couple of days, we called and learned that while we can WATCH anything recorded on the DVR on the screens attached to either of the STBs, we can't use either of the STBs to tell the DVR what to record and, instead, all "record" instructions for the DVR must be made at the DVR unit itself, not through one of the STBs.

Assuming this is true, is there a way to accomplish what we're trying to do?

Also, can anyone explain "why" the STB is able to communicate with the DVR to tell it to play a recording, but it can't communicate with it to tell it to make the recording? This seems illogical.

Thanks,
Paul

Assuming this is true, is there a way to accomplish what we're trying to do? No. The best you can do is schedule recordings online from your computer.

Also, can anyone explain "why" the STB is able to communicate with the DVR to tell it to play a recording, but it can't communicate with it to tell it to make the recording?That feature was never designed into the software. DVR software development requires substantial time and money, which is why so few products are available with that functionality. A DVR software team must prioritize fixes and features.

Eventually, the Verizon STBs may allow one to schedule recordings on the main DVR, but don't expect that feature in the next six months.

Does anyone have word on when VZ will enable us to hook up external storage capacity?
It once was a nuisance, but now its a detriment. Enough of one I would consider giving Comcast a second chance.

Thanks for any updates.

NW

Does anyone have word on when VZ will enable us to hook up external storage capacity?
It once was a nuisance, but now its a detriment. Enough of one I would consider giving Comcast a second chance.

Thanks for any updates.

NW

Better yet, give TiVo a chance. Cost over time is less than Verizon DVRs, you can have up to 2GB of storage, and you can download and save your recordings to your computer hard drive.

Cost over time is less than Verizon DVRs

Last I saw I was going to be paying $13/month for the TiVo program guide information plus the cost of the cable card rental from VZ. That's not including the initial outlay for the TiVo itself. Can you give us some more details on how TiVo is cheaper?

Last I saw I was going to be paying $13/month for the TiVo program guide information plus the cost of the cable card rental from VZ. That's not including the initial outlay for the TiVo itself. Can you give us some more details on how TiVo is cheaper?The FiOS DVR is about $17.25/mo after tax ($207/yr) for the standard DVR service, or $21.60/mo after tax ($259/yr) for MR DVR service.

If you pay month-to-month, the TivoHD is $12.99/mo plus about $4.30/mo after tax for the CableCard, or $17.29/mo ($207/yr) -- virtually identical to the after-tax cost of the standard FiOS DVR. If you pay year-to-year, the cost is $129/yr plus $4.30 after tax, or the equivalent of $15.05/mo ($180/yr). If you buy a lifetime subscription on ebay for $330, then you just pay the $4.30/mo ($51/yr) for the CableCard.

Given the FiOS DVR's cost of $207/yr, a TiVo with lifetime "saves" $155.40/yr accounting for the after-tax cost of the CableCard. A TivoHD with lifetime costs $250+$330=$580 shipped, so the breakeven point is just under 45 months (ignoring TvM). At that point, you save $155.40 every year. That assumes Verizon does not raise or lower its DVR or CableCard fees.

Realistically, very few with FiOS are going to buy a TivoHD to save money four years down the road. With Verizon's $4.30/mo CableCard rate, it takes 12 months longer to break even than it does with Comcast. That said, you can sell the TiVo at some point to recoup part of your investment, either to switch DVRs and/or upgrade to a newer model; used TivoHDs with lifetime currently sell for about $500. That figure is likely to drop once a next-generation TiVo is released.

Before buying a new Moxi or TivoHD with lifetime, you should be aware of the following:

Verizon is expected to offer a new DVR with 320GB capacity (twice the existing FiOS DVR) by early 2010.


Verizon is expected to offer external storage support on a Cisco DVR at some point in 2010. No such support is expected for existing Motorola DVRs.


TiVo will distribute a new DVR product in "early 2010" through Best Buy. This will feature "new user interface features" and "some product improvements and developments," according to their conference call on August 26.

The current TivoHD model was released in mid-2007 and is based on the same 300MHz Broadcom CPU found in Verizon's Motorola QIP7216 DVR. Broadcom released new 350MHz and 400MHz DVR CPUs this past spring (one of these is found in the Moxi), and announced a ~500MHz CPU for early next year. A faster CPU would allow for user interface enhancements not possible on the existing TiVo hardware.

I am terribly sorry if this has already been discussed but I recently ordered a new QIP6416 from verizon and I set it up and bam nothing. I attempted this with two boxes and the channel just shows at zero each time and wont show me an info screen or anything. I am also unable to change the channel up or down it just shows 0. Any ideas of what is occuring? Thanks

I am terribly sorry if this has already been discussed but I recently ordered a new QIP6416 from verizon and I set it up and bam nothing. I attempted this with two boxes and the channel just shows at zero each time and wont show me an info screen or anything. I am also unable to change the channel up or down it just shows 0. Any ideas of what is occuring? ThanksAre you certain you've actually got a cable signal at that TV? In other words, is the coax to this TV connected to the splitter outside your home (or in your garage/basement)?

Yes, I have had a hd box and a sd dvr working in this room before. It is very strange how I try two different DVR's and they both do not work. I tried a new run of cable as well and that did nothing to fix the issue.

The FiOS DVR is about $17.25/mo after tax ($207/yr) for the standard DVR service, or $21.60/mo after tax ($259/yr) for MR DVR service.

If you pay month-to-month, the TivoHD is $12.99/mo plus about $4.30/mo after tax for the CableCard, or $17.29/mo ($207/yr) -- virtually identical to the after-tax cost of the standard FiOS DVR. If you pay year-to-year, the cost is $129/yr plus $4.30 after tax, or the equivalent of $15.05/mo ($180/yr). If you buy a lifetime subscription on ebay for $330, then you just pay the $4.30/mo ($51/yr) for the CableCard.

Given the FiOS DVR's cost of $207/yr, a TiVo with lifetime "saves" $155.40/yr accounting for the after-tax cost of the CableCard. A TivoHD with lifetime costs $250+$330=$580 shipped, so the breakeven point is just under 45 months (ignoring TvM). At that point, you save $155.40 every year. That assumes Verizon does not raise or lower its DVR or CableCard fees.

Realistically, very few with FiOS are going to buy a TivoHD to save money four years down the road. With Verizon's $4.30/mo CableCard rate, it takes 12 months longer to break even than it does with Comcast. That said, you can sell the TiVo at some point to recoup part of your investment, either to switch DVRs and/or upgrade to a newer model; used TivoHDs with lifetime currently sell for about $500. That figure is likely to drop once a next-generation TiVo is released.

Before buying a new Moxi or TivoHD with lifetime, you should be aware of the following:

Verizon is expected to offer a new DVR with 320GB capacity (twice the existing FiOS DVR) by early 2010.


Verizon is expected to offer external storage support on a Cisco DVR at some point in 2010. No such support is expected for existing Motorola DVRs.


TiVo will distribute a new DVR product in "early 2010" through Best Buy. This will feature "new user interface features" and "some product improvements and developments," according to their conference call on August 26.

The current TivoHD model was released in mid-2007 and is based on the same 300MHz Broadcom CPU found in Verizon's Motorola QIP7216 DVR. Broadcom released new 350MHz and 400MHz DVR CPUs this past spring (one of these is found in the Moxi), and announced a ~500MHz CPU for early next year. A faster CPU would allow for user interface enhancements not possible on the existing TiVo hardware.

wow, so no external hard drive capability at all? are you sure? because there is usb, firewire, and esatat ports on the back of the fios hd dvr stb 7216 (I think) 160gb is ridiculously small for HD. even the fios csr admitted it will only hold like 10 hd programs.

so what is the use of the multi room dvr feature then. its only $2 less then a second dvr. for $2 more I think its worth having another 160gb and also 2 more tuners in case you hae more then 2 programs needing to be recorded at the same time.

we are used to having 2 dvrs but were going to try the multi room dvr. the install tech didn't have any more regular hd boxes so he had to give us 2 dvr boxes. now verizon shipped 2 hd boxes. I'm thinking I should keep the 2nd dvr and just send back the 3rd and also probably cancel the multiroom dvr.

my wife thought maybe have a second dvr and multiroom. but i dont know if the other 3 hd boxes would get confused from which dvr to read from if we have 2 and it kind of defeats the person of having multiroom feature if you have a second dvr cus they can't read from eachother.

external hard drive capability would solve most of this and just lave the limitation to the dual tuner as opposed to 4 tuners with 2 dvrs.

how are they still using 160gb? We had comcast, then fios , then directv, now back to fios over a period of aabout 5 years. directv hd dvrs were 320gb and allowed external hard drive.

fios hd dvr are 160gb and no external hard drive connection possible?

wow. terrible.

I guess for now we should keep a 2nd dvr and just return the one. and cancel the multi room feature.

so is that the definite word. No external hard drive is possible at all with these fios hd dvr stb's?

i can't believe it, especially since they are only 160gb.

even comcast has the new black and silver hd dvr moto stb's with the white led instead of the ugly orange/amber of these old moto boxes that fios has been using for over 2 years and comcast for a few years before that.

how can we be alerted to the new stb's that you speak of for 2010. what quarter 2010? an upgrade to these 160gb hd dvr stb's seems long over due both in design and capacity. a tech even admitted they bought too many so now they have to use them all and why they didn't even get the new moto box that comcast did.

I guess fios is still better then comcast and directv in most and important ways but they are far from perfect.

basically they all suck and each company sucks and just out to rob us, so I just keep switching to whichever is better at the time which is a pain to switch all the time.

seems like i switched back to fiostv too early. yeah they finally got caught up on hd channels to directv mostly i think and hd on demand to comcast somewhat which are 2 of the reasons i dropped them almost 2 years ago but seems like they still have a way to go.

Anyone know what update FIOS was pushing out to the DVR this morning? Mine started downloading at 7:15 CDT when I was walking out the door.

Anyone know what update FIOS was pushing out to the DVR this morning? Mine started downloading at 7:15 CDT when I was walking out the door.Verizon pushed out IMG 1.7 in some areas this morning.

This update should address most of the HDMI interoperability issues with the QIP6416 and QIP7216. If you have a QIP7216 DVR, a stretched 4:3 guide (fills 16:9 screen) also replaces the 4:3 guide.

Verizon pushed out IMG 1.7 in some areas this morning.

This update should address most of the HDMI interoperability issues with the QIP6416 and QIP7216. If you have a QIP7216 DVR, a stretched 4:3 guide (fills 16:9 screen) also replaces the 4:3 guide.

:(Shoot, I didn't realize the stretched guide was only for the 7216 - I was hoping I would have it for my 6416 in the bedroom, I have a difficult time reading the guide on the 26" screen.

So do I need to get a new FIOS box? I have a Pioneer Elite 111fd a beautiful set. When I am watching Blu Ray- the pic is flawless. I mean it is just drop dead gorgeous. The Fios pic is not bad either, but it is 1080i. The issue that I am having frequently when there is a fast sequence on the screen, the picture get out of focus for less than a spilt second. As short as that time is, it is very noticable when it happens over and over again.

Since I do not have this problem with the Blu ray, I know the TV is fine, I even switched the HDMI jacks to see if it might be the jack and the problem continued. For what its worth, my xbox does not have this issue either.

Has anyone experience what I am talking about? Any solutions? Thanks.

I see this during NFL games when the shot goes from various cameras to the main sideline cam. Everything gets blurry for a second then snaps back. I have a Samsung 61" DLP. Only during Football have I noticed this. In my opinion in seems to be the broadcast or the way Verizon handles the switch from camera to camera. I have not seen this on any other type of shows.

I've noticed this in several programs. I think they need to give more bandwidth to HD programs. The pixelation that occurs on my televisions (LCD and DLP) almost never occured on Directv. Maybe the boxes can't decode the information fast enough?

Hello,

This may already have been asked but I can't find it.

I have one verizon DVR hooked up to a Sony 32xbr6 via component in my bedroom and will soon be receiving my UN55B8000 and connecting that via HDMI.

So my question is can the qip6416 verizon DVR handle having two TVs connected to it without any signal/picture degradation??

Hello,

This may already have been asked but I can't find it.

I have one verizon DVR hooked up to a Sony 32xbr6 via component in my bedroom and will soon be receiving my UN55B8000 and connecting that via HDMI.

So my question is can the qip6416 verizon DVR handle having two TVs connected to it without any signal/picture degradation??

Video is on at all outputs, you can have 2 TV's 1 HDMI, and 1 Component and both will Work fine. no change in Video Signal Strength.

I don't know if there will be a handshaking problem if the component TV is turned on first. It may disable the HDMI output if that happens. I had that problem when I was on Comcast, but that was a few years ago on a different STB.

I don't know if there will be a handshaking problem if the component TV is turned on first. It may disable the HDMI output if that happens. I had that problem when I was on Comcast, but that was a few years ago on a different STB.

Video is on at all outputs, you can have 2 TV's 1 HDMI, and 1 Component and both will Work fine. no change in Video Signal Strength.

Thank you for the input!

I don't know if there will be a handshaking problem if the component TV is turned on first. It may disable the HDMI output if that happens. I had that problem when I was on Comcast, but that was a few years ago on a different STB.

We used to see flickering on the component outputs when HDMI was handshaking, but that was several releases back. Haven't seen that issue in a long time. HDMI goes to an Visio downstairs, where our son powers up, changes channels frequently... and it's no issue on the component attached monitor upstairs... just a bunch of annoying channel changes! :)

I see this during NFL games when the shot goes from various cameras to the main sideline cam. Everything gets blurry for a second then snaps back. I have a Samsung 61" DLP. Only during Football have I noticed this. In my opinion in seems to be the broadcast or the way Verizon handles the switch from camera to camera. I have not seen this on any other type of shows.Fast moving football scenes are very difficult to transmit and display - I don't think it has much to do with how FIOS deals with the signal. Much more likely that this is "motion blur" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV_blur) caused by some cameras used during the game or the display capabilities of certain HDTV displays.

I never saw any motion blur when I had my Sammy 67" DLP, so don't worry about the DLP color wheel blur problems. It's more than likely what JasG said. Got a plasma now, so I can't be much more help on this.

I have the 6416-1 connected via hdmi to my projector. It was working great. Now the thing seems to switch back and forth from the picture to snow on the screen over and over non stop. anybody have this problem before? I thought at first my cable went bad so I switch it out with a new one and no resolution there.:confused: I hope this is an easy fix, My Chargers are going to kick some Bronco Butt this evening:D

Thank you

Is the STB or the projector switching? You shouldn't see snow on the STB - it should be a blank screen, if anything.

Sounds like your projector is switching to a tuner input with no antenna- that's the only thing that can show snow.

My Eagles got kicked by the lowly Raiders yesterday. :mad:

Thank you for that, I just figured it out, The HDMI was switch off in the main settings. I pushed menu with the box off, and the settings were on DVI Instead of HDMI. I have no clue how it got that way since it had been working fine for the longest time:confused: SO SORRY To hear you are an Eagles fan today! My two favorite teams are the Chargers and who ever is playing the raiders. The eagles have some good healing games coming up, You should be fine. I agree though. Tough Loss.

Thanks Again

Can you point me to a post that gives instructions on extracting recorded content from my Fios DVR? Thanks in advance!

Can you point me to a post that gives instructions on extracting recorded content from my Fios DVR? Thanks in advance!If the recording is from a cable channel, you can't without a TiVo.

If the recording is from a local channel, it may be possible to copy a recording as it plays. Here's the post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=403695) you want.

Okay, thanks, once I get a Tivo, where's the thread for directions? Thanks again!

Okay, thanks, once I get a Tivo, where's the thread for directions? Thanks again!Here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11126048&postcount=2#A4).

Phew! What a long thread! Anyways, we switched from TWC Cable to Fios a few months back and at first I was all "ooh and ahh..." but then noticed the bugs which are only getting worse. We have picture dropouts for a second or two all the time now. On both HDMI and component. Mostly when we watch HD and for some reason. a DVR'd prpgram. I mean like once a minute on the average. VERY annoying. Did some googling and found some threads...

http://community.vzw.com/t5/FiOS-TV-Technical-Assistance/Picture-and-audio-dropout/m-p/82103

Now lately I have been noticing that while many HD channels look amazing, a few look really soft. I did some more googling and found that it was mostly FOX and ABC, both of which use 720P. I have a 1080P Panny ae3000 and the box set for 1080i. Since the box is scaling these signals to 720P, I tried last night to set it for 720P while watching the World Series and lo and behold the PQ looked MUCH better. I read somewhere in this thread about 30 or so pages back that it is first downscaling it to 540P to get 1080i out of the 720P...?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12982624&postcount=2963

If you have a 1080p set, you will probably set the stb output to 1080i. That means when you watch something that was originally 720p, during conversion from 720p to 1080i, each 720p field (720 lines) has to be fit into a 1080i field (540 lines), resulting in a loss of 180 lines of resolution (a 25% reduction in vertical resolution!). No scaler can add resolution beyond what's in the original image.


Whereas my PJ is upconverting the 720P signal to 1080P.

A bit confusing but bottom line, the PQ of the 720P channels scaled by the box to 1080i really look underwhelming. Changing the resolution back and forth is a huge PITA and I cannot believe they won't allow the box to pass the signals natively. Any word on whether they might allow this as an option on a firmware upgrade....? Thanks

Not sure of your complete system, but have you seen this little gem?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1015617

I use it to transfer HD concerts off my FIOS PVR once I've already recorded them. Just play them back on my FIOS PVR and record with the Haup box in HD with optical audio input. You have to have PC to use it. It can also record live if you choose to do so.

It is a "real time" device. By that I mean you're not really transferring the file, you're recording it as it plays back. ( 1 hour show takes 1 hour to record )

Much more in the thread I've linked too about the joys :) and frustrations :mad: of the Haup unit.

I have Fios and the kids are killing me for a dvr, should I just upgrade to a Fios dvr or is there something out there that is better? Thanks for any help

The FiOS DVR would be a quick way to get a DVR. I'd get multi room so you can watch anything you record on other TV's with an STB. Keep in mind if your STB's are only SD then you can only watch SD remotely.

If you plan to record plenty of HD than the FiOS DVR doesn't have much capacity but it is a good quick way to jump into DVR.

Other options like TiVo might be better but plenty of up front costs and you must rent from Verizon a cable card also.

There is plenty to read and learn on the net if you have the time.

I finally switched from a Fios DVR to a Tivo HD when they offered it to me for $149. I got the lifetime subscription as well. It will be cheaper in the long run.

I'm a long time Tivo user. I still have a first generation model working through one of those free converter boxes that Verizon gave out. I used Tivos for a number of years through DirecTV. It has been torture using the Fios DVR for the last two years.

Now I have a stable, fast, *expandable* DVR. Yes, I gave up On Demand, but I've got plenty of other choices with the Tivo.

Speaking of torture, I went through the worst nightmare trying to get the cable card last week, involving two days over Thanksgiving weekend when the tech did not show up, and at least 6 hours on the phone.

Here's the punch line. I originally tried to get them to send me the card. They don't do that. After botching multiple orders, I left a note on my door for the tech to just leave the card, since I wasn't going to be home.

The next day, I popped it into the Tivo, called Support, and had it activated, which is exactly what I wanted to do in the first place. Even that took 40 minutes, because I read the serial number wrong (who puts 1's and I's in the same number?), one tech entered something else wrong, and there was a shift change in the middle.

The Fios DVR is functional, and if you've never used a Tivo, you might find it acceptable.

Scott

The FiOS DVR would be a quick way to get a DVR. I'd get multi room so you can watch anything you record on other TV's with an STB. Keep in mind if your STB's are only SD then you can only watch SD remotely.

If you plan to record plenty of HD than the FiOS DVR doesn't have much capacity but it is a good quick way to jump into DVR.

Other options like TiVo might be better but plenty of up front costs and you must rent from Verizon a cable card also.

There is plenty to read and learn on the net if you have the time.

I have Fios and the kids are killing me for a dvr, should I just upgrade to a Fios dvr or is there something out there that is better? Thanks for any help

Go to post 4126 (just one page back from your original post) and read the awesome analysis from bfdtv.

Thanks bfdtv for the great analysis. Was trying to look at it myself and didn't have all the pieces to the puzzle.

Anyone have any hacks or links to patches or any info on getting this box to output native resolution?

What do Video Format and SD Override in the STB 6416?

I have played around with the settings, both while watching SD broadcast and HD broadcast, and I don't see much of a difference in the PQ when I change the settings.

I have FIOS in Dallas and my TV is a Panasonic G15 plasma, 46 inch, 1080p native resolution. I sit about 10' away. Use HDMI cable between STB and plasma.

For SD content (while watching in 4:3 mode on my plasma), I found that the 480i setting may have a slight advantage, but barely noticable. With Video Format set at 480i, the SD Override is Off. Overall, I believe that SD broadcast is poor on any 720p or 1080p native resolution HDTV. Didn't see any in the stores that did it very well, and some did it much worse than the Panny G15.

For HD content (while watching the panny in Full mode), I couldn't really tell a difference between the two 16:9 aspects in Video Format (1080i and 720p). Maybe 720p, but really hard to tell a difference. Looked at both 1080i and 720p with SD Override set to Off and 420p: again very hard to tell a difference, but would give edge to 420p.

I would expect that my G15 has better scaling capabilities than the STB and thus the picture would look better the closer I set the Video Display to the native format of the input coming from VZ, which I assume is either 480i or p for SD and 720p or 1080i for HD.

Questions:

1. What is Video Format settings supposed to affect?
2. What does SD Override do?
3. What is the resolution input from HD broadcasts and SD broadcasts? Does this differ by channel and service provider?
4. With my plasma, should I have seen a difference when changing these settings?
5. When watching SD content with Video Format set at 480i, is that like passing through the input to my HDTV and allowing it to do the scaling to my native resolution of 1080p?

Know enough to be dangerous at this point. Getting there, but still somewhat confused. Thanks.

Fast moving football scenes are very difficult to transmit and display - I don't think it has much to do with how FIOS deals with the signal. Much more likely that this is "motion blur" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDTV_blur) caused by some cameras used during the game or the display capabilities of certain HDTV displays.

Thanks for the reply, but it has nothing to do with motion. They can go from a sideline reporter to the wide shot of the side of the field both relativly static picture and everything including the score at the bottom of the screen will go blurry. Nothing to do with either camera, somthing that is related to the entire picture including the overlays the network add. I don't see this on any other sports, just FIOS HD football. I will have to pay attention to the chanel this weekend to know the network.

For some reason (recently) my FiOS DVR seems to have lost a lot of it's available recording time. I have less than 3 hours of programming remaining on the unit, but it indicates that the drive is 80% full. The other day, it started deleting some of the older shows. I know that it had more capacity than that when I first got it.

For some reason (recently) my FiOS DVR seems to have lost a lot of it's available recording time. I have less than 3 hours of programming remaining on the unit, but it indicates that the drive is 80% full. The other day, it started deleting some of the older shows. I know that it had more capacity than that when I first got it.

It likely needs a reboot. Turn it off, unplug it and wait ~30 sec. and plug it back it. Turn it back on and check the drive space. You should be happy.

It likely needs a reboot. Turn it off, unplug it and wait ~30 sec. and plug it back it. Turn it back on and check the drive space. You should be happy.

That did the trick. I only lost a handful of the things I'd wanted to save.

That did the trick. I only lost a handful of the things I'd wanted to save.

It's unusual to lose any recordings in this process. I've not come across that before. The software just loses track of space and thinks there's less than actually available, until it is rebooted. Rebooting typically doesn't affect what's actually on the drive.

It's unusual to lose any recordings in this process. I've not come across that before. The software just loses track of space and thinks there's less than actually available, until it is rebooted. Rebooting typically doesn't affect what's actually on the drive.

Just to clarify, I didn't lose the programs because of the reboot. I lost them because when the recorder didn't think it had any space on the drive, it was overwriting them.

Just to clarify, I didn't lose the programs because of the reboot. I lost them because when the recorder didn't think it had any space on the drive, it was overwriting them.

Good to know - thanks.

2 quick questions...
Is there a way to reboot without unplugging? My Cox cable 6416 DVR could be rebooted by pressing and holding a button(power?)
Also, to any owners of D-VHS decks or Happauge-
Do you have any problems recording HDNET? I switched to FIOS in large part for HDNET and unfortunately am unable to timeshift via firewire. All other channel except PPV work great.

2 quick questions...
Is there a way to reboot without unplugging? My Cox cable 6416 DVR could be rebooted by pressing and holding a button(power?)

IMG 1.7 has a Reboot in the Help section in In Home Agent.

I had a VERY strange thing happen last night.
We were watching TV, and the DVR (QIP-6416) just stopped responding to the remote. One out of every 5 or 6 button presses would register. The rest disappeared (the yellow light didn't flash for those, so the box didn't register them).
At first I thought it was the batteries, but they tested fine.
I tried another remote (I have several), same results.
Moving closer to the box (within inches) didn't help.
It seemed there were certain angles from which it would work nearly every time, but from most other spots, I got nothing.
The buttons on the front were working fine, so I figured it wasn't locked up.
I was recording on two channels, so I didn't want to reboot it.

Taking a MUCH closer look at the front of the box, it appeared that the INSIDE of the smoked plastic "window" was foggy. Strange, as I had never seen that before.

So, I VERY CAREFULLY popped it off. (hint - there are four notches around the perimeter. Those line up with the tabs holding it to the box. A little work with a small screwdriver, and it came right off with no damage or scratches).

Well, sure enough, there was a fine film of dust on the inside of the window!
I wiped that off, and turned my attention to the IR sensor. That, too, was completely covered with a decent amount of dust. I wiped it off, and the remote started working instantly.
I popped the cover back on, and finished watching the show.

I'm not surprised, since the unit is not sealed, and I've had it for nearly 3 years.
Anyone else experience anything similar?

I just came across this forum and I think it's great. I just registered and started looking for a subject that I've always wondered.

We've had FIOS since it came out and we love it. I work on servers over the Internet and have been in computers for decades BUT I've never been deeply involved in the audio/video field.

My apologies in advance....my questions may have already been answered many times and they may be very elementary compared to what this forum is used to.....but here goes. :)

We have one QIP6416 and two QIP2500 boxes. We rent all three from Verizon. We're going to add three more TV's in other rooms so what I'd like to know is....Can I just buy more QIP6416's out on the Internet and connect them or is there some magic that has to be done to get the Verizon network to recognize them? That way I wouldn't have to pay Verizon the rental fee every month. Or am I stuck going through Verizon for HD channels and forced to pay the monthly fee for the boxes?

I was also considering replacing the QIP2500 boxes with QIP6416's. Can I do that and get rid of the rental I pay to Verizon every month as well as get the HD channels? I'm thinking of replacing the QIP2500's so I can get HD channels to my HD TV's, which are on all these boxes.

Sorry for the long rambling post but I've always let the cable company take care of all this. Thanks!

I just came across this forum and I think it's great. I just registered and started looking for a subject that I've always wondered.

We've had FIOS since it came out and we love it. I work on servers over the Internet and have been in computers for decades BUT I've never been deeply involved in the audio/video field.

My apologies in advance....my questions may have already been answered many times and they may be very elementary compared to what this forum is used to.....but here goes. :)

We have one QIP6416 and two QIP2500 boxes. We rent all three from Verizon. We're going to add three more TV's in other rooms so what I'd like to know is....Can I just buy more QIP6416's out on the Internet and connect them or is there some magic that has to be done to get the Verizon network to recognize them? That way I wouldn't have to pay Verizon the rental fee every month. Or am I stuck going through Verizon for HD channels and forced to pay the monthly fee for the boxes?

I was also considering replacing the QIP2500 boxes with QIP6416's. Can I do that and get rid of the rental I pay to Verizon every month as well as get the HD channels? I'm thinking of replacing the QIP2500's so I can get HD channels to my HD TV's, which are on all these boxes.

Sorry for the long rambling post but I've always let the cable company take care of all this. Thanks!

Welcome to the forum.

You, unfortunately, cannot buy any Verizon provided STB (Set Top Box) from anyone. They must be rented from Verizon. You can look into getting Moxi or TiVo DVR's that you buy but that is another story. You then need to rent cable cards from Verizon. Plus you need an Ethernet home network for HD Multi Room. More complex but appealing to many.

The QIP2500 is an SD STB so you could replace it with an HD STB QIP7100 or the QIP6200. The DVR is either the QIP7216 or the QIP6416. All of these must be rented monthly from Verizon.

Dang, that's what I thought. Thanks for your reply

................ Plus you need an Ethernet home network for HD Multi Room. More complex but appealing to many........

Not sure I follow you on this one. I have mulit-room capability. My boxes only have Coax connected to them. My Router is connected via Coax as well, not Ethernet. So why do you have to have an Ethernet home network?

Not sure I follow you on this one. I have mulit-room capability. My boxes only have Coax connected to them. My Router is connected via Coax as well, not Ethernet. So why do you have to have an Ethernet home network?

A TiVo multi room solution would/should need an Ethernet connection for HD sharing.

Verizon uses the existing cable and no need for further Ethernet wiring as you note.

Sorry for the confusion.

A TiVo multi room solution would/should need an Ethernet connection for HD sharing.

Verizon uses the existing cable and no need for further Ethernet wiring as you note.

Sorry for the confusion.

Yikes!

A TiVo multi room solution would/should need an Ethernet connection for HD sharing.

Verizon uses the existing cable and no need for further Ethernet wiring as you note.The current TiVo and Moxi require an ethernet connection, but you don't have to wire your home. The Actiontec/Westell router has built-in MoCA (ethernet over coax), so you can network two TiVos or Moxis with two MoCA adapters, like these (http://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-Ethernet-over-Coax-Adapter/dp/B001XUQOHE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262385220&sr=8-2). Other alternatives include wireless and Homeplug AV.

The current TiVo and Moxi require an ethernet connection, but you don't have to wire your home. The Actiontec/Westell router has built-in MoCA (ethernet over coax), so you can network two TiVos or Moxis with two MoCA adapters, like these (http://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-Ethernet-over-Coax-Adapter/dp/B001XUQOHE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262385220&sr=8-2). Other alternatives include wireless and Homeplug AV.

Good points.

I should have also mentioned that going with TiVo or Moxi would be plenty of up front cost. But possible savings over time and some nice features Verizon doesn't offer.

Should I get FIOS?

I was thinking about switch from Cablevion's IO to FIOS. I have some concerns. The first one is if I have trouble with a cable box right now I can carry it two blocks and replace it with another one. This is great since I don't drive. With FIOS I'll have to mail the cable box to them for replacement correct? The next concern is hard drive space. Currently I have a 1 TB external drive added to my DVR. I don't use that much but that was the size it came in and I don't have to worry about space. I'm sure I would have run out of space without the 1 TB drve. So if I get two DVRs connected to two different TVs can I stream HD content between DVRs? Would I have to go to each DVR and setup recordings? I think two DVRs would be enough hard drive space and I can always use extra tuners. I was also thinking of getting a TIVO or MOXI if they offer much better guide data, features and picture quality. I was told also every time you make a change to your service your year contract starts over. So if six months into the contract you HBO your contract would start again from this date. I did notice also that a lot of features that are free on Optimum Voice or Vonage cost extra on FIOS, leave it to Verizon.

I have to say I would look foward to better internet speed, better DVR and picture quality from FIOS.

Does Vonage work well on FIOS it's a little correct?


What do you think
Blaine

Should I get FIOS?If you have a 50" or larger 1080p display, chances are you'll see an improvement in picture quality with FiOS.

With FIOS I'll have to mail the cable box to them for replacement correct?That's correct. You request a prepaid shipping label over the phone or through their web site.

So if I get two DVRs connected to two different TVs can I stream HD content between DVRs?No; DVR-to-DVR connectivity is only a feature found on the Moxi and Tivo DVRs. At this time, only the SD and HD set-top boxes (non-DVRs) can access content on the Verizon DVR. You can only have one DVR enabled with multi-room per household.

Note Verizon is expected to offer a DVR with twice the existing storage (i.e. 320GB instead of 160GB) within a few months.

Would I have to go to each DVR and setup recordings?Yes.

I think two DVRs would be enough hard drive space and I can always use extra tuners. I was also thinking of getting a TIVO or MOXI if they offer much better guide data, features and picture quality.TiVo and Moxi have better guide data and features, but the picture quality should be comparable at the fixed output setting.

I was told also every time you make a change to your service your year contract starts over. So if six months into the contract you HBO your contract would start again from this date. This is false. No new contract is required to change programming services.

Verizon only requires contract renewals for customers that want to upgrade to newly introduced Internet tiers (from say, 15/5 to 25/15) with the bundle/discount rates. Customers can either keep their current contract with their current Internet speed or they can renew their contract to get the new and improved speed. Verizon makes you verbally agree to (and confirm) the new contract over the phone.

I did notice also that a lot of features that are free on Optimum Voice or Vonage cost extra on FIOS, leave it to Verizon.

Does Vonage work well on FIOS it's a little correct?I used Vonage with FiOS for years. It worked well.

More recently, I switched from Vonage to ooma (http://www.amazon.com/ooma-Phone-System-Monthly-Service/dp/B001C1MGKI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262540075&sr=8-2), which is basically Vonage without the monthly fees. Ooma also offers better functionality with their premiere service (http://www.ooma.com/premier/features) for $99-$129/yr.

Verizon is expected to offer a new DVR with 320GB capacity (twice the existing FiOS DVR) by early 2010.




Couple Questions...this is news to me, is there an official statement somewhere about this? I've been extremely frustrated with the 160GB the past year, happy with just about everything else...and I'm on the fence in terms of switching to directv or something if I can't get more capacity VERY soon...

second question, why only 320GB? It seems so backwards to upgrade to something that is already so outdated...why not at least 500GB???

I agree. This is the one thing I miss from Directv, DVR capacity!

Couple Questions...this is news to me, is there an official statement somewhere about this? I've been extremely frustrated with the 160GB the past year, happy with just about everything else...and I'm on the fence in terms of switching to directv or something if I can't get more capacity VERY soon...No official statement, besides posts from Verizon employees on their Verizon.com forums stating that a higher-capacity DVR was in the works for early 2010.

Verizon FiOS customers have always had the option of CableCard DVRs (TivoHD, Moxi). Those DVRs are available in 500-1TB versions and support external drive expansion. In few months, FiOS customers will also have more options for CableCard PC tuners.

second question, why only 320GB? It seems so backwards to upgrade to something that is already so outdated...why not at least 500GB???Cost. Like most cable providers, Verizon wants to keep the cost of their DVR to a bare minimum. They don't want to raise DVR rental rates unless it (a) makes sense from a competitive standpoint, and (b) improves their bottom line.

If the new DVR is delayed beyond 1Q 2010, it's possible that Verizon could increase capacity from 320GB to 500GB. I have not heard anything like that, however.

Couple Questions...this is news to me, is there an official statement somewhere about this? I've been extremely frustrated with the 160GB the past year, happy with just about everything else...and I'm on the fence in terms of switching to directv or something if I can't get more capacity VERY soon...

second question, why only 320GB? It seems so backwards to upgrade to something that is already so outdated...why not at least 500GB???

It is not only 320 gig but it is expandable. No ETA on when yet.

Expandable too??? That would be great...if true...

HOWEVER...I feel like when I signed up (January 2009) and complained that the DVR was too small, they promised that something new would be coming in early to mid 2009...so is there much hope that these "statements" will actually be true this time around?

I have two DVRs, and the monthly fee seems ridiculous for the amount of capacity...any chance I can get them to give me some discounts until a bigger DVR rolls out?

Expandable too??? That would be great...if true...The Cisco DVRs should support external expansion from day one, but it may be quite some time before all areas see those. There's talk of 320GB Motorola DVRs, but it is doubtful those would support external expansion if released in the next few months.

HOWEVER...I feel like when I signed up (January 2009) and complained that the DVR was too small, they promised that something new would be coming in early to mid 2009...so is there much hope that these "statements" will actually be true this time around?If someone made such a promise, they were misinformed. Verizon started testing these boxes around the middle of last year. Porting the software has been a long and difficult process; making Motorola systems compatible with Cisco equipment is no small task either.

I have two DVRs, and the monthly fee seems ridiculous for the amount of capacity...any chance I can get them to give me some discounts until a bigger DVR rolls out?No. A $15.99/mo STB+DVR fee is fairly standard in the cable industry, and every cable company used 160GB boxes until recently. Comcast, Time Warner, and a few others are now rolling out 320GB DVRs.

If anything, you might see a price increase after the new DVR becomes widely available. Verizon should remain competitive with other cable companies in their DVR fees, though.

One reason (among many) is that only Verizon offers Multi Room DVR and since they do there have been issues trying to have both MR DVR and Expansion. A new DVR is needed and those have a new set of issues that are being worked out.

Direct TV offers 500GB in the HR23 box plus with Mpeg4 compression it has lots of capacity.

Sorry if this has been posted, I follow this thread using RSS so sometimes I miss things.

If you have an Android powered device, there is now an app available in the market to remote control the DVR. No more web interface. I just installed it and it is working great!

I use FIOS and LOVE it. BUT there has been talk of them improving capacity on the DVR for a long time. It is always unofficial. I would LOVE for it to be official, otherwise it is just talk and nothing else.
I went thru way too many posts on the vz dot com forums and saw them posting this would be done in early 09. It is pathetic. NOW don't get me wrong I would NEVER go back to cable. They just upgraded me to 35/20 MBS and after testing it is actually 36/35. Imagine that, 35 MBS uploads. Does antone else offer that? Does anyone else offer consistant 35/20 even? BTW it did NOT cost me any more. I called them about getting call assistant, they told me my contract expired last Nov. . They told me they would ad HD extreme and up my speed fron 20/5 and it would be $5 less. I said Yes Thank you. Witin a half hour the changes were made. NOW if ONLY they would let us hook external HDs or get larger capacities to the DVR, that would be ggrr8t

Cost. Like most cable providers, Verizon wants to keep the cost of their DVR to a bare minimum. They don't want to raise DVR rental rates unless it (a) makes sense from a competitive standpoint, and (b) improves their bottom line.

If the new DVR is delayed beyond 1Q 2010, it's possible that Verizon could increase capacity from 320GB to 500GB. I have not heard anything like that, however.

I hear this all the time, but 500GB HDDs cost consumers about $15 more than a 320GB, I mean how much does Cisco\Moto charge? Hundreds?

One reason (among many) is that only Verizon offers Multi Room DVR and since they do there have been issues trying to have both MR DVR and Expansion. A new DVR is needed and those have a new set of issues that are being worked out.


The problem is that a MRV DVR is next to useless with 160GB of storage. I mean a family would have to watch everything within a few days, which is impossible when you have a family.

The problem is that a MRV DVR is next to useless with 160GB of storage. I mean a family would have to watch everything within a few days, which is impossible when you have a family.

Ditto with your remarks. I'm lucky if I can get to all the shows before something gets deleted.

One reason (among many) is that only Verizon offers Multi Room DVR and since they do there have been issues trying to have both MR DVR and Expansion.

Not true. I have E*, with a multiroom DVR and unlimited expansion (for a one-time "enabling fee" of $40). Since I have FiOS for phone and internet, I have been waiting and waiting for them to come out with something that can compete and save me some money, but so far have not seen it.

And the last time I checked, the "multiroom" capability seemed like a joke compared to my 622. If you have a mixture of HD and SD TVs, aren't you only able to watch HD recordings on the HD sets with no downrez capability?

I've heard rumors that when E* releases the 922, it could be marketed to cable companies (I'd assume that includes Verizon) as a turnkey solution for "TV Anywhere" capability. We'll see if that turns out to be true, and if anyone actually takes them up on it. If they did, that would be awesome.

I consider Dish Multi Room a joke. But to each his own. :D

I should have said the only Motorola system out there with "real" multi room is FiOS. I don't know how tying up a tuner is multi room. :confused:

If you want to talk about recording space... then FiOS is tied for last. :mad:

I consider Dish Multi Room a joke. But to each his own. :D

I should have said the only Motorola system out there with "real" multi room is FiOS. I don't know how tying up a tuner is multi room. :confused:
:mad:

What are you talking about, "tying up a tuner"? The FiOS boxes can record without using a tuner at all? That would be a good trick. If you're not recording, you don't use a tuner.

I don't see how recording a show and not being able to watch it in any room is multiroom. That's the joke to me. Can you pause an HD show on your main TV, then go to the BR, or somewhere else, and pick up exactly where you left off (in SD)?

What are you talking about, "tying up a tuner"? The FiOS boxes can record without using a tuner at all? That would be a good trick. If you're not recording, you don't use a tuner.Dish Network's current DVRs don't support any sort of network multi-room. Their DVRs feature two outputs -- one HD and one SD -- which can output two different channels (with separate UIs) at the same time. They share a single set of tuners, so if a user in one room is watching liveTV, that takes away from the channels the other user can record.

Verizon FiOS offers a dual-tuner DVR that will stream its recordings to six different SD and HD STBs located throughout your home (albeit, only one at a time). Those SD and HD STBs can view liveTV using their own built-in tuner -- so they don't take away a DVR tuner -- or they can view a SD or HD recording stored on the DVR. There's no wired or wireless ethernet network required because all boxes are networked using the existing coax in the home.

It is true that Verizon's SD STBs cannot access the HD recordings on the FiOS DVR, but the HD STBs can.

Can you pause an HD show on your main TV, then go to the BR, or somewhere else, and pick up exactly where you left off (in SD)?You can pause a HD recording and then resume it instantly in HD from a HD STB six floors up.

What are you talking about, "tying up a tuner"? The FiOS boxes can record without using a tuner at all? That would be a good trick. If you're not recording, you don't use a tuner.

I don't see how recording a show and not being able to watch it in any room is multiroom. That's the joke to me. Can you pause an HD show on your main TV, then go to the BR, or somewhere else, and pick up exactly where you left off (in SD)?

The question is what are you talking about? Learn what the FiOS Multi Room does then reply.

Since your confused...

I can record 2 programs at once (SD or HD) and watch a (recorded) third on the DVR. I can then go to all my other TV's in my house and watch anything live or whatever I have recorded (SD or HD) regardless of the TV.

That is true Multi Room.

Clearly you are happy with Dish (and their version of Multi Room) but you are just another example of someone that loves to go into forums where they have no business to be in.

We recently had FiOS installed and while I like it overall, there are a few things that if addressed/improved would make a huge difference and give VZ an even bigger advantage.

Storage capacity is one, and I know it has been mentioned many times and supposedly should be addressed soon. This is pretty critical.

The other main issue (actually more important than capacity) is the Home Media DVR. You can setup recordings on this machine and watch it on any other STB. Great. But you can't set recordings, delete shows, etc from any other STB. Also, the two tuners is not enough. I understand that it may not make sense to put 4 HD tuners in on DVR, but then allow 2 DVRs to play nice together. Does anyone know if multiple HM DVRs will be implemented any time soon?

The question is what are you talking about? Learn what the FiOS Multi Room does then reply.

Since your confused...

I can record 2 programs at once (SD or HD) and watch a (recorded) third on the DVR. I can then go to all my other TV's in my house and watch anything live or whatever I have recorded (SD or HD) regardless of the TV.

That is true Multi Room.

Clearly you are happy with Dish (and their version of Multi Room) but you are just another example of someone that loves to go into forums where they have no business to be in.

I'm not confused. You describe about what I know, except don't you need an STB on all those other TVS (as stated by bfdtv)?

I can record three programs at once (two sat. and one OTA, HD or SD) and watch a fourth recorded on the DVR. I can watch anything recorded on the DVR in any room on any TV (in SD) without needing a STB at all, using existing coax. Watching live doesn't enter into the equation. I hardly ever do it. That's what I have a DVR for, although if I wanted to, I could watch two different things on two different TVs, live or recorded.

There's no point having a multiroom DVR if you need a remote STB to access it. Might as well just have two DVRs then.


I have just as much business in this forum as anyone else. I'd love to be able to drop Dish and go with FiOS exclusively. It could save me a ton of money. But I've never seen the functionality of their boxes come close to my 622, and the price doesn't seem to be competitive either. Don't you pay close to $20/month for that multiroom HD DVR?

Convince me otherwise. I'm ready to listen.

Dish Network's current DVRs don't support any sort of network multi-room. Their DVRs feature two outputs -- one HD and one SD -- which can output two different channels (with separate UIs) at the same time. They share a single set of tuners, so if a user in one room is watching liveTV, that takes away from the channels the other user can record.

If someone is watching live TV, why would they need the DVR functionality? I suppose you could record the program being watched live by someone else, but I don't see much point to it.

Verizon FiOS offers a dual-tuner DVR that will stream its recordings to six different SD and HD STBs located throughout your home (albeit, only one at a time). Those SD and HD STBs can view liveTV using their own built-in tuner -- so they don't take away a DVR tuner -- or they can view a SD or HD recording stored on the DVR. There's no wired or wireless ethernet network required because all boxes are networked using the existing coax in the home.

My 622 TV2 output uses existing coax as well. There's no ethernet needed. No STB either. You appear to need them. That could get expensive pretty quickly.
It is true that Verizon's SD STBs cannot access the HD recordings on the FiOS DVR, but the HD STBs can.
So you'd need an HD STB on every TV. The cost mounts even more.
You can pause a HD recording and then resume it instantly in HD from a HD STB six floors up.

That's not what I asked. Can you record an HD program and watch it on an SD set, over existing coax? Or do you have to record an SD version of it, using up even more of that storage space you have so little of?

I've asked this before and never got an acceptable answer. How much would it really cost me to have a FiOS-only setup equivalent to my Dish + FiOS system? And I'm not asking for the company line of "$109.99 triple play". I can get that by calling Verizon. I mean with programming (no premium channels, but everything else, including all available non-premium HD channels), with an HD DVR, that makes all of its content available in as many rooms as I want (in SD at least), but four rooms minimum, with Internet at 15Mbps or higher, and landline service, including all taxes and fees.

Yeah DISH's multiroom is a joke, I mean who watching SD anyways?

But FiOS isn't that much better if you watch network TV. The fact is that in a family of 2 or more you need four tuners just to record NBC, Fox, ABC and CBS. Now if these networks didn't show all of their best programming between 8-11 or if they would repeat things constantly like cable, it'd be a different story. But anyone who watches these networks can't get by with 2 tuner for the entire house.

No, the only true multi-room DVR right now is Windows Media Center, which has a whole new set of problems. It is what I use and although it isn't as reliable as a STB, I can record 5 HD shows at once to my 1TB drive and watch anything in any room of the house.

I hope this changes in the next 6-12 months.

Yeah DISH's multiroom is a joke, I mean who watching SD anyways?

If it's just a talking head, who needs it to be in HD? Do you really care if you can see the product placement ads in the pores on Stephen Colbert's face? 480p widescreen is fine for that.

I've had FIOS for almost three years now and I've been using two S3 Tivos as my DVRs. My wife and son like to occasionally record a few shows so a DVR with limited capacity wouldn't be an issue for them. I see Motorola QIP6146 HD DVRs on ebay all the time and I was wondering if anyone knew whether Verizon would activate one of these if I owned it outright. If so, does anyone know what monthly fees Verizon would charge for using my own box? I seem to recall that it's perfectly legal to own your own cable box and have the cableco activate it so I was curious to know if this scenario would work for a DVR. I'm hesitant to pony up the $15.99 monthly fee for limited recording capacity but I wouldn't mind paying $5/month for an extra outlet fee.

On a similar note, would Verizon also activate a cablecard that I personally own? I'm waiting for the new Ceton cablecard tuners to come out and I'd love to be able to use my own card if there are no monthly fees involved. I just bought a Motorola M-card on ebay with this in mind.

I've had FIOS for almost three years now and I've been using two S3 Tivos as my DVRs. My wife and son like to occasionally record a few shows so a DVR with limited capacity wouldn't be an issue for them. I see Motorola QIP6146 HD DVRs on ebay all the time and I was wondering if anyone knew whether Verizon would activate one of these if I owned it outright.No, they won't.

If they activate it, it will only be after they thank you for finding the lost/stolen unit. You'll be assessed the full $15.99/mo fee.

On a similar note, would Verizon also activate a cablecard that I personally own?No. Verizon will not activate anything unless they provide it for their standard fee, be it a STB, DVR, or a CableCard.

We recently had FiOS installed and while I like it overall, there are a few things that if addressed/improved would make a huge difference and give VZ an even bigger advantage.

Storage capacity is one, and I know it has been mentioned many times and supposedly should be addressed soon. This is pretty critical.

Yeah, I'm looking at Moxi to address this for me as soon as the Moxi mates can show live TV. Not sure if 3 tuners will be enough to watch and record but I will give it a shot.

The other main issue (actually more important than capacity) is the Home Media DVR. You can setup recordings on this machine and watch it on any other STB. Great. But you can't set recordings, delete shows, etc from any other STB.

I'm with you on that. Not long after my install, I was wondering why I could not delete from my bedroom STB even though the HD/DVR is downstairs. Especially with the space issue being the way that it is, most times I will watch something before bed and want to delete it to free up the space for recording the next day.

Does anyone know if multiple HM DVRs will be implemented any time soon?

There must be some technical limitation behind this. With the low storage offered with the current DVR, I would think that this is an easy win for VZ to link 2 DVRs to double the storage and charge twice for the box rental. Again, hopefully Moxi is my solution to all of this.

But FiOS isn't that much better if you watch network TV. The fact is that in a family of 2 or more you need four tuners just to record NBC, Fox, ABC and CBS. Now if these networks didn't show all of their best programming between 8-11 or if they would repeat things constantly like cable, it'd be a different story. But anyone who watches these networks can't get by with 2 tuner for the entire house.


So true, I have issues recording the Monday night shows.

FiOS and the Networks have gotten better about having their programs On Demand, but there are still quite a few shows that are NOT On Demand..

Note to Fox, you need to have your programs On Demand.

If it's just a talking head, who needs it to be in HD? Do you really care if you can see the product placement ads in the pores on Stephen Colbert's face? 480p widescreen is fine for that.

Yes, it all has to be in HD. I do tolerate Family Guy in SD since it is an artistic choice, but that is it.

i have my STB (6416-2) running into a Denon receiver using HDMI. The receiver is sending the signal to my projector via HDMI over cat5e and from time to time (every 20 mins +/-) the audio/video drops and the screen goes blue. Has anyone else had this issue?

thanks in advance

My verizon box used to be connected via HDMI directly to my TV. The box always kept the resolution at 1080i. I recently got a new receiver with HDMI switching between the box and the TV. Now it will reset to 720p unless the box, TV and receiver are switched on at the same time. I have the remote programmed to do this, but it doesn't always work. If any one of the components doesn't turn on and then you manually turn that one component on, the box will start a handshaking routine and display at 720p. The display on the box show "dUI" when this occurs. I have to manually reset the box to 1080i where I want it. Is there a way to keep the verizon box at this setting and not have it reset?

Was there an update done to the boxes recently? The guide looks different. Less sharp on a HD TV than before.

My 6416 shows a program(The Good Wife) as being recorded, for the full hour, but when I try to play, it just reverts to live TV; other recordings on the drive play Ok; set-top box unplug, router unplug do no good;it's a first run episode, and I'd like to see it...any ideas how to access this or is it probably a bad spot on the drive? thanks,,,

2 quick questions...
Is there a way to reboot without unplugging? My Cox cable 6416 DVR could be rebooted by pressing and holding a button(power?)
Also, to any owners of D-VHS decks or Happauge-
Do you have any problems recording HDNET? I switched to FIOS in large part for HDNET and unfortunately am unable to timeshift via firewire. All other channel except PPV work great.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22919711-Verizon-started-reencoding-HDNet-and-HDNet-movies-in-NYC~start=60

this may answer your question

My 6416 shows a program(The Good Wife) as being recorded, for the full hour, but when I try to play, it just reverts to live TV; other recordings on the drive play Ok; set-top box unplug, router unplug do no good;it's a first run episode, and I'd like to see it...any ideas how to access this or is it probably a bad spot on the drive? thanks,,,

I was looking through the On Demand last night, and think I saw the last 3 episodes of The Good Wife. - you might want to check that out.

My 6416 shows a program(The Good Wife) as being recorded, for the full hour, but when I try to play, it just reverts to live TV; other recordings on the drive play Ok; set-top box unplug, router unplug do no good;it's a first run episode, and I'd like to see it...any ideas how to access this or is it probably a bad spot on the drive? thanks,,,

That happened to me on Conan once or twice, and two in a row for the Simpsons. My response was to create a new series recording of the Simpsons and it hasn't bombed since.

It is not only 320 gig but it is expandable. No ETA on when yet.
Again any official link? Or just more rumor. Sorry not trying to TC BUT I have been reading these rumors for awhile, and can not find any official news.
Thanks

Expandable too??? That would be great...if true...

HOWEVER...I feel like when I signed up (January 2009) and complained that the DVR was too small, they promised that something new would be coming in early to mid 2009...so is there much hope that these "statements" will actually be true this time around?

I have two DVRs, and the monthly fee seems ridiculous for the amount of capacity...any chance I can get them to give me some discounts until a bigger DVR rolls out?

I agree it has been nothing but talk, and people WANT to believe, but I have been hearing TALK for waaaaay too long. As far as cost...screw that . It is costing VZ far more in lost possible cust's after VZ spending BILLIONS to set up FIOS. What a bad marketing move.

If it's just a talking head, who needs it to be in HD? Do you really care if you can see the product placement ads in the pores on Stephen Colbert's face? 480p widescreen is fine for that.
I want to see every detail on every thing I watch. I find it annoying when I walk in and the wife or kids are watching the SD version of a channel, when the HD version is available. That's just me, they could not care less. So...to each their own.

Again any official link? Or just more rumor. Sorry not trying to TC BUT I have been reading these rumors for awhile, and can not find any official news.
Thanks

I wish I had it official. Just an insider told me this more than once. No reason for me to doubt them. I'm not holding my breath but I am expecting an announcement mid March.

I was looking through the On Demand last night, and think I saw the last 3 episodes of The Good Wife. - you might want to check that out.
Thanks Jay and Fade, I' ll try both or your suggestions...the show, is in my opinion, one of the few on network television worth recording...

I have both a 6216 HD STB and a 2700 SD box. The other day I tried to record the HBO movie Temple Grandin onto DVD using the 2700 and my LG DVD recorder. I had tried to record this in the past by scheduling the LG but never got a recording. I thought perhaps I had done something wrong, so I tried manually today using the FiOS OnDemand HBO offering. Once I pushed the record button, the DVR said it couldn't copy the movie because it was protected.

Now I know a bit about copy protection as it applies to HD content, but this is the first time I've encountered a problem with SD material. I can (and have) recorded the show onto my 6216 in HD and (accidentally) in SD as well. Is is worth trying to connect the DVD recorder to the SD analog outputs on the 6216 and dub from one to the other, or will the copy protection flag be passed along to the DVD recorder no matter what I do? Should I expect the same result regardless of whether I use the coax, s-video, or component outputs?

Would the problem go away if I record the SD offering off one of the HBO linear channels rather than using the OnDemand version?

If your LG has copy-protected video (Content Protection for Recordable Media - CPRM) built in and the source is using it then you cannot copy it with your LG. Only a non (CPRM) DVD Recorder or VCR will allow copy.

for verizon dvrs, you cant upgrade it with an external hard drive?

for verizon dvrs, you cant upgrade it with an external hard drive?

Not yet.

markjrenna,... are you saying that there is an upgrade coming soon?

would a tivo hd dvr be the only solution?

markjrenna,... are you saying that there is an upgrade coming soon?

would a tivo hd dvr be the only solution?Or Moxi.

I was told they are looking at the Cisco 320 Gig DVR but I am now led to believe this has so many issues it isn't going to happen any time soon. :mad:

would a tivo hd dvr be the only solution?


To bad Tivo doesn't have access to Verizon OnDemand.
The new Tivo Premiere looks cool, but it doesn't have access to the providers OnDemand Library.

...but I am too ignorant to figure out how to start a new thread. I have the FiOS QIP6416-2 as one input to a Pioneer VVSX-918V to a Hitachi plasma TV. Recently, when switching from an SD to an HD channel, the picture disappears (TV goes to "power save" mode) and can't be recovered w/o either cycling power or changing inputs (from TV/SAT to something else and back) on the Pioneer. And, more annoyingly, it doesn't happen all the time. I suspect the problem is w/the Pioneer, but can't devise a good test to make sure it's not the QIP. Any advice?

...but I am too ignorant to figure out how to start a new thread. I have the FiOS QIP6416-2 as one input to a Pioneer VVSX-918V to a Hitachi plasma TV. Recently, when switching from an SD to an HD channel, the picture disappears (TV goes to "power save" mode) and can't be recovered w/o either cycling power or changing inputs (from TV/SAT to something else and back) on the Pioneer. And, more annoyingly, it doesn't happen all the time. I suspect the problem is w/the Pioneer, but can't devise a good test to make sure it's not the QIP. Any advice?

I would go into the service menu of the STB and select "OFF" for 4:3 OVERRIDE, which will upconvert all SD channels to whatever resolution you have HDMI/YPbPr OUTPUT (all HD channels) set to. Then there will be no transition when switching from SD to HD or vice versa

...but I am too ignorant to figure out how to start a new thread. I have the FiOS QIP6416-2 as one input to a Pioneer VVSX-918V to a Hitachi plasma TV. Recently, when switching from an SD to an HD channel, the picture disappears (TV goes to "power save" mode) and can't be recovered w/o either cycling power or changing inputs (from TV/SAT to something else and back) on the Pioneer. And, more annoyingly, it doesn't happen all the time. I suspect the problem is w/the Pioneer, but can't devise a good test to make sure it's not the QIP. Any advice?

The problem is due to the HDMI handshake that occurs, when switching from an HD channel to an SD channel (or vice verse). I'm not sure why your Pio and/or Hitachi is not handling this properly. The handshake has to happen for each component in the chain.

If the Pio allows upconversion of incoming video, it may have several settings, like AUTO/1080p/1080i/720p/etc. Set that to the resolution of your display. Don't use the AUTO mode.

If the Pio is video processing, try turning that off and setting it to "passthrough mode". If the Pio only does passthrough for video, then this step is irrelevant.

If none of this solves the problem, you may have a problem with the DVR completing the HDMI handshake "in time" for your other components to sync and reply properly (before the Hitachi times out and requires another handshake). That's why when you switch inputs on the Pio and back it solves the problem - a successful handshake took place.

You could always contact Verizon and have them send you another DVR.

Or, if you want you ca go into the regular menu of the DVR, to: Menu -> Settings -> Video Settings -> SD Override... and change that to OFF.

Thanks jpilcher

Ok, after looking at Mces97's feed.

Here's the problem. Verizon is remuxing the HDNet feeds for whatever reason and slapping on an 80mbps header (it should be 17.59 for some movies, and 65 for others).

I'm not entirely sure what is causing the glitches in the firewire output, but it definately has something to do with the remuxing they're doing.

The feed is NOT being re-encoded as many users are reporting. The reason you guys are seeing a 12-13mbps stream is because of all the dropouts in the capture you are making. If you record the feed with CapDVHS (moto firewire to pc) and make a 60 seconds recording, you'll see the file size is about 130mb, which is 17.55mbps. Of course, this recording won't playback as it's 5C encrypted.

So, basically, Verizon should turn off remuxing on this channel, and put it back to pass through to please everyone here and to be FCC compliant. Since these feeds can't be passed via Firewire which is a FCC regulation, Verizon is in direct violation of FCC regs.

i just filed an FCC complaint...

I would go into the service menu of the STB and select "OFF" for 4:3 OVERRIDE, which will upconvert all SD channels to whatever resolution you have HDMI/YPbPr OUTPUT (all HD channels) set to. Then there will be no transition when switching from SD to HD or vice versa

So now the question is, does the TV or the STB do a better job on the upconversion? My TV (Sammy LN46C630) gets great reviews for handling SD content. I tried it both ways, with SD Override set to OFF and 480i, and honestly I couldn't see a difference. Keeping set to OFF is more appealing to avoid the mentioned delay when changing from SD to HD channels, and vice versa.

Anyone else have any thoughts/experience with their own setups, and if their TV or STB does the SD upconversion better?

So now the question is, does the TV or the STB do a better job on the upconversion? My TV (Sammy LN46C630) gets great reviews for handling SD content. I tried it both ways, with SD Override set to OFF and 480i, and honestly I couldn't see a difference. Keeping set to OFF is more appealing to avoid the mentioned delay when changing from SD to HD channels, and vice versa.

Anyone else have any thoughts/experience with their own setups, and if their TV or STB does the SD upconversion better?

I've use "off" on my sammy plasma for the past three years - works great!! If you notice no diff, I would definitely use the off to avoid the delay.

Hey guys, before I call Vzn thought I'd ask here first if anyone else is having trouble with on demand hd network video pixelating and stuttering audio ?

Started about 2 weeks ago on both my boxes. The self diagnostics checks shows everything OK. I rebooted the boxes as well. Still a problem.

I also noticed they dropped ABC HD from the OD. What's up with that ??

I have a question I haven't ever seen brought up here in the several years I've been reading this thread (unless I just missed it).

Next week we're going to have a hardwood floor installed in our living room. Everything has to be moved out for three days, including my DVR (a 6416) which is scheduled to record some shows on the affected nights.

My question is can I just physically move the DVR and connect it up for a few days in place of an HD box that isn't a DVR (a 6200) and have it properly operate and record the shows we have scheduled? The 6200 is on another coax cable end in another room.

Will this work or should we just plan on missing the shows we have scheduled to record those nights? Anyone know for sure?

How do you access diagnostic screen on a Verizon FIOS Motorola DCT 6416? I need to check if HDNET 5C copy flag has been set properly.

I also noticed they dropped ABC HD from the OD. What's up with that ??

I also noticed that. It was right as I wanted to watch an ep of FlashForward that did the thing where you play it on the DVR and it just drops back to live TV. I can do without OD though, especially after having to sit through an alice in wonderland dvd commercial and a miley cyrus movie trailer about 10 times each while watching it in SD.

I have a question I haven't ever seen brought up here in the several years I've been reading this thread (unless I just missed it).

Next week we're going to have a hardwood floor installed in our living room. Everything has to be moved out for three days, including my DVR (a 6416) which is scheduled to record some shows on the affected nights.

My question is can I just physically move the DVR and connect it up for a few days in place of an HD box that isn't a DVR (a 6200) and have it properly operate and record the shows we have scheduled? The 6200 is on another coax cable end in another room.

Will this work or should we just plan on missing the shows we have scheduled to record those nights? Anyone know for sure?

yes, i know 100% for sure, I move my STBs around all the time for various reasons

yes, i know 100% for sure, I move my STBs around all the time for various reasons

Thank you!

What's up with the Verizon page? I logged in today and found the TV Listings no longer has an entry for "My Favorites" anymore (My Favorites are still intact in my box). That makes navigating all the channels a chore.

What's up with the Verizon page? I logged in today and found the TV Listings no longer has an entry for "My Favorites" anymore (My Favorites are still intact in my box). That makes navigating all the channels a chore.

Not sure what you're seeing. Just visited FIOS and this is what I saw. Note the Fav 1 and 2 on the upper right. Click on them to filter for your favorite channels.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=173795&d=1272084440

Not sure what you're seeing. Just visited FIOS and this is what I saw. Note the Fav 1 and 2 on the upper right. Click on them to filter for your favorite channels.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=173795&d=1272084440It's back for me. Maybe they were doing maintenance on the site or something?

It's back for me. Maybe they were doing maintenance on the site or something?

They need to do maintenance, lots of it! :D

I was just trying to use FIOS TV Centrals TV listings. When viewing FAV1 is would initially display correct programming data. However, when I changed the time to view later programing it displayed incorrect data - usually programs from earlier in the day. When using the All channels view it seems to work correctly, but hey, who wants to scroll through all the channels to find the listing you're looking for? :mad:

Can you try it and see if you get the same result?

Dan

Seems to be working OK for me. Maybe it varies from region to region?

What really bugs me is the damn TV guide info on the website is still the same crappy stuff they use in the box. You'd think they'd be able to improve the program descriptions on the website.

What really bugs me is the damn TV guide info on the website is still the same crappy stuff they use in the box. You'd think they'd be able to improve the program descriptions on the website.

I believe they simply subscribe to a service, not generate the listings themselves. So they're at the mercy of the listings provider for the amount of information available. There have been perennial complaints about the paucity of information on the various FiOS threads. I don't know if there are substantial differences among the providers in terms of available information or cost for the service. If so, it appears Verizon has decided that more extensive listings just aren't worth the money. I'm not surprised given the large amounts of habitual viewing in the television audience.

When will VZ fix the problem where the DVR keeps accurate track of the used disc space? Over time, the disc space creeps up even when you don't have that many programs recorded and you've been deleting everything you don't need. Eventually, the DVR starts to overwrite the shows you wanted even though there's still disc space. I have gotten into the habit of unplugging the unit for 30 seconds once a week or so which resets the used disc space value and reclaims the space.

You can use the In Home Agent in Help so you don't even have to get up out of your chair to do a reboot. ;)

You can use the In Home Agent in Help so you don't even have to get up out of your chair to do a reboot. ;)

Thanks for the tip. Would still be better if they just fixed the bug.

Are we going to need to change the topic NAME at the end of the month when we all become Frontier FIOS??

Are we going to need to change the topic NAME at the end of the month when we all become Frontier FIOS??

Has that become official? As far as I was aware, it was only for certain areas and was still a maybe. My Verizon employee friend is hoping that it goes through because he expects them to give out nice layoff packages right in time for him to go back to school.

Edit: Hmm, looking it up, I don't see Texas listed on the list of states, so it doesn't look like we're all going to Frontier.

Has that become official?
Edit: Hmm, looking it up, I don't see Texas listed on the list of states, so it doesn't look like we're all going to Frontier.
Yes,: Arizona, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin

Yes,: Arizona, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, South Carolina, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin

"Yes", as in it's official http://new.frontier.com/ but it doesn't apply to ALL Verizon subs, just in the states above. The only thread titles that will have to be changed are those that deal with the local news in those areas. AFAIK we will still have the QIP6416 for some time so this thread will not change.

"Yes", as in it's official http://new.frontier.com/ but it doesn't apply to ALL Verizon subs, just in the states above. The only thread titles that will have to be changed are those that deal with the local news in those areas. AFAIK we will still have the QIP6416 for some time so this thread will not change.

So maybe we should change the thread title to "Frontier - Verizon FIOS QIP6416 DVR" unless there's a reason for a new Frontier specific thread...