I DON'T miss my HD DirecTivo's glacial guide speed which made it nearly unusable. :)

David

David, aint that the truth! I will never get the Series 3 if it displays the same agonizingly slow guide. Just hitting the record button would take forever until you got control back. That's one of the things I love about the FIOS PVR, hit record and bam, it's done. Channel guide is lightning fast as is the search function. I'd really miss that.

If you must have two in the same room, do what I did with my SA8100HD a long time ago. It ain't high tech, but it worked. I manually turned one box on and one off, and then the remote only affects the one that's on. Then if you want to switch to the other box, hit the "power" button, and voila, you've turned the other one on and the previous one off.

Or, you can just get a Tivo Series 3 like I'm thinkin' about doing, and have 1) a bigger hard drive to begin with, and 2) easy expandability with an external eSATA hard drive. The only problem I see is it only has 1 eSATA port, and eSATA doesn't seem to daisy-chain like firewire.

David

Your first scenario might work, especially since my remote will automatically turn the machine off with a macro. I didn't realize you could turn it off, since I'm used to D*Tivo's which are always on. Will it still record when off? That would be a problem.

I, too was considering the Series 3, but I really need 4 tuners to cover conflicts (there's a few nights when we need 3) and I don't want to shell out money for 2 Series 3 at $800 per. I'm also leary of the Series 3 as I've heard that the cable card might not be around for long and don't want to spend a bunch on an eventual door stop.

Crap. I don't think I can go from my current 400 hours of DVR capacity to 120.

Actually the HDDVR has 160gb hd, but it only equates to about 14-15 hours of HDTV or a huge amount of SDTV.

Only having 15 hours when you're used to more takes some re-adjustment of your viewing habits. No more recording endless movies and shows and catching up on the weekend... you have to plan more carefully. I have hit bottom on the HDDVR without trying, 15 hours is really nothing when you're used to 40+ hours.

Will it still record when off?
Yes. :)
Good luck with your setup.

David, aint that the truth! I will never get the Series 3 if it displays the same agonizingly slow guide. Just hitting the record button would take forever until you got control back. That's one of the things I love about the FIOS PVR, hit record and bam, it's done. Channel guide is lightning fast as is the search function. I'd really miss that.

What? I guess if you don't have any conflicts. If there is a conflict the 6416 could take a minute or more. I like how the TiVo made the noise (to confirm button press) and the wait icon to tell you it is thinking. Because it usually takes a few button presses to be recognized by the box, I end up doing things I don't want.

I admit I was never an HD Tivo fan like some. The slow guide, slow search function, slow channel changes and the sub-par picture quality relative to other D* receivers always made me a bit sour on that unit. I liked the superior interface of the Tivo relative to the Motorola PVR, but that was about it.

Ken,

The Series3 is said to address most of those criticisms, but we'll have to see.

bfdtv, that might make it a viable option for me, but as you've said before it's probably more prudent to wait for the revised software coming from FIOS. Of course there still is the hard drive capacity issue, but I could see having one Series 3 and 1 FIOS PVR (I've got two).

i just switched to fios on my samsung hls5086w dlp tv recently. and I've noticed something that really bothers me.


On some HDbroadcasts, and even SD sometimes, parts of my picture appear to be shaking very quickly


This happens most commonly in sports broadcasts, where most of the screen will seem fine, but the little display where they show the score is shaking

my dvr is hooked up through HDMI.

This also happened with my old dvd player whenever i had it set on progressive scan 480p output. the lines where the picture meets the black bar would appear to shake. once i changed the dvd player, this problem went away.

anyone know what the problem is?

It seems like some issue with your display. The fact that you got the same problem with your DVD player pretty much rules out the FIOS box. Have you tried switching the connection to component?

It seems like some issue with your display. The fact that you got the same problem with your DVD player pretty much rules out the FIOS box. Have you tried switching the connection to component?

i'll get some monoprice cables and try it. would a faulty cable cause something like this?

If your Samsung is 720p native, I would set the FiOS box to 720p (turn the box off and press menu). If it is 1080p native, set the FiOS box to 1080i.

Does anyone have an OTA to compare the HD feeds for the Ohio State/Texas game? I swear HD quality on Fios is slipping...

Once again, I will be calling Fios to get someone to fix my picture quality. I have taped 3 different SD channels to show them the poor PQ. Even my brother, who watched my Fios HD when I first got it about 6 weeks ago, brought up that he thinks the HD is worse. Things don't "pop" out anymore on HD channels--even Discovery.

Does anyone have an OTA to compare the HD feeds for the Ohio State/Texas game? I swear HD quality on Fios is slipping...

Once again, I will be calling Fios to get someone to fix my picture quality. I have taped 3 different SD channels to show them the poor PQ. Even my brother, who watched my Fios HD when I first got it about 6 weeks ago, brought up that he thinks the HD is worse. Things don't "pop" out anymore on HD channels--even Discovery.

im watching the osu/texas game right now on fios and it looks like **** for HD.

Does anyone have an OTA to compare the HD feeds for the Ohio State/Texas game? I swear HD quality on Fios is slipping...

Once again, I will be calling Fios to get someone to fix my picture quality. I have taped 3 different SD channels to show them the poor PQ. Even my brother, who watched my Fios HD when I first got it about 6 weeks ago, brought up that he thinks the HD is worse. Things don't "pop" out anymore on HD channels--even Discovery.

I didn't watch that game, but I can't say I've seen any deterioration here in the N.Y. area. Same great HD pop. Could be a local issue. I still have my cable HD setup (sans the movie channels) and the cable HD channels were always excellent....FIOS still compares very favorably with that. So if FIOS were slipping, cable HD would have to be slipping at the same rate. Not likely.

If your local broadcaster added a subchannel, that would have degraded the quality of the network feed. FiOS carries most network affiliate subchannels, so if you noticed a new network subchannel (such as weather radar) appear in your guide or channel list recently, that means your local broadcaster recently took bandwidth away from their HD channel and gave it to that subchannel. That would be responsible for any degradation you are seeing.

The first thing to do when you are seeing problems on HD local networks is to scroll through your FiOS channel list and see if there are any channels at 850+. Verizon puts the local network subchannels at 850+. Most channels you see in this range are taking bandwidth away from the HD feed -- your local broadcaster is responsible for this, not FiOS. Each broadcast affiliate has 19.4Mbps total, and they must divide this between the HD channel and any subchannels like weather you see at 850+. Once you've identified that your local network is degrading their feed with subchannels, you should find their number in the yellow pages, call, and ask to report a problem to their engineering department.

Note some broadcasters (particularly those in smaller markets) resell a portion of their bandwidth for other purposes, such as for USDTV or wireless / data services. In these scenarios, the broadcast network HD picture would also be degraded, but you wouldn't see any subchannels.

Bfdtv, do we know of anyone that's actually taken bitrate and resolution measurements on FIOS. Some have done that on D* and E* have reported their findings on a periodic basis. It certainly would be interesting to see as I'm sure both measurements would be higher on FIOS than either small dish system.

Is there simultaneous S-Video output available on FIOS STBs? I am currently using a Slingbox with my Dish 811 and am thinking of switching to Verizon FIOS. I switched from DSL to FIOS phone and internet two weeks ago.

Is there simultaneous S-Video output available on FIOS STBs? I am currently using a Slingbox with my Dish 811 and am thinking of switching to Verizon FIOS. I switched from DSL to FIOS phone and internet two weeks ago.
I haven't checked S-Video, but I know the component and composite outputs are active simultaneously. I have the composite output hooked to a NTSC modulator so I can watch my DVR programs in other rooms in my house. I'll check the S-Video output when I get a chance.

I have successfully hooked up a HD/DVR box to a TV simultaneously with HDMI and S-Video. However, I haven't hooked them up to separate TVs at the same time.

Is there simultaneous S-Video output available on FIOS STBs? I am currently using a Slingbox with my Dish 811 and am thinking of switching to Verizon FIOS. I switched from DSL to FIOS phone and internet two weeks ago.
Yes they both work simultaneously... I connect the s-video to a DVD recorder. But there is only one setting for the aspect ratio. If set to 16:9 (for the component or HDMI output) then the S-video is boxed... bars all around, on HD programming. I can override that by setting the output to 4:3 pan-scan... but that crops the 16:9 display as well.

Bfdtv, do we know of anyone that's actually taken bitrate and resolution measurements on FIOS. Some have done that on D* and E* have reported their findings on a periodic basis.
Pretty tough to do for the cable HD channels since they're encrypted. Unfrotunately, I got rid of my myHD PC card, so I can't check the local DTV/HDTV channels on a PC. I do have a QAM receiver, and on that I can see that FiOS in N. VA is putting two local HD/DTV feeds per QAM channel (>38Mbps).

I'm thinking of going to Fios TV with the multi room DVR option.

Is there a way I can set it up so that a DVD player will be visible in all rooms? It looks as though there's an input on the DVR box for that, but I'm not sure it works, that is, is enabled.

All replies are much appreciated.

I'm thinking of going to Fios TV with the multi room DVR option.

Is there a way I can set it up so that a DVD player will be visible in all rooms? It looks as though there's an input on the DVR box for that, but I'm not sure it works, that is, is enabled.

All replies are much appreciated.
I don't have multi-room, but just remember that its not available with HD yet.

KenA, a little confused. I just ordered Fios TV to be installed in a few weeks. I have two rooms that need HD. I have ordered the “home media dvr” mulitroom thing because the Fios guy tells me anything I recorded in HD on that box will be available to watch on the other HDTVs in full HD. So just a little unclear when you say “not available with HD yet” Thanks.

I'm thinking of going to Fios TV with the multi room DVR option.

Is there a way I can set it up so that a DVD player will be visible in all rooms? It looks as though there's an input on the DVR box for that, but I'm not sure it works, that is, is enabled.

All replies are much appreciated.

I do not believe that is possible. I've checked all of my I&M manuals and there is no mention of an interface to allow a DVD player to broadcast onto the MOCA network. Nor was this brought up during training. But hey, that would be a cool feature. :cool:

KenA, a little confused. I just ordered Fios TV to be installed in a few weeks. I have two rooms that need HD. I have ordered the “home media dvr” mulitroom thing because the Fios guy tells me anything I recorded in HD on that box will be available to watch on the other HDTVs in full HD. So just a little unclear when you say “not available with HD yet” Thanks.

The guy is incorrect. You cannot yet transfer HD to other TV's.

The guy is incorrect. You cannot yet transfer HD to other TV's.
Thanks. You are correct sir. Just got of the phone with Fios. Talked with 3 different “Fios TV gurus” The original “guru” was totally wrong. The multiroom DVR cannot transfer HD to anywhere. Bummer. Thanks guys.

By the way…the first two Fios guys I just talked to were “absolutely certain” it could transfer full HD to any tv with an HD box. It was the third one that put me on hold to verify, and came back and said no-go. Amazing.

I'm getting FIOS installed this Fri. Not looking forward to "working" with support. I wanted to know if the 6416 had descrete on / off IR codes. When I finally got to tech support, after having to go through only about six different people, I got the head tech support guy for the dallas area. Now, I don't know if he meant manager or Tech when he said he was the head guy, but when I asked him the question he said he never heard of descrete codes and didn't know what I was talking about. :eek:

Looks like I'll probably be getting most of my answers here at AVS. :)

No discrete on/off codes. I recall reading about a macro for it somewhere, but I don't recall it. Its kind of unnecessary for a DVR, so I didn't try it.

Ken,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry I didn't respond sooner. After doing more reading it appears that the unit should be left on all the time anyway, so I guess you're correct. BTW, my sister used to live in Massapequa a long time ago. My brother-in-law taught history at Happogue (sp?) H.S.

I live in the Tampa Area and have had FIOS HD for about 3 weeks now. I have it hooked up via an HDMI cable to my HL-S5086 sammy. I really notice the difference when using component cables compared to the HDMI. I really think the component looks better for PQ! Both sets of cables are the ones Verizon gave me when they installed so I am sure they aren't the best cables. I do notice lots of Noise in the picture when using the HDMI in the darker colors. Is this a Sammy HDMI thing or a FIOS problem?

I live in Plano, TX and had Verizon Fios TV installed on 9/11/06. The install went fine, but the SD picture quality on my main TV is bad. The HD looks great, but the digital looks like analog, and the analog looks like over the air reception from some distance. After hours with tech service and my own research, it seems to be an issue between the Motorola QIP6416-2 and the tv, a Samsung HLS5063W 720P dlp. I had tech support come out today, and he saw the tv and said it is a known issue Verizon is having between the hd stb and all Sammy DLPs (new or old). In checking this thread, there seems to be some conistancy with SD pq on Sammy DLPs. Is this what others have found? I have the stb feeding the tv via HDMI, Componant, and S-Video. Using the S-video to view the SD channels helps some, but not much. I have also set my sharpness down to 20% and contrast up some and it seems to help, but still not close to my D* SD pq. I have tried all the 4:3 options, and none help the situation. Has anyone heard of this "known" issue between Samsung DLPs and the Moto HD STB, and of any resolution? My 1080I Sony CRT tv works great, both HD and SD channels. As an interesting side note, my folks in PA recently purchased a Sammy 1080P dlp, and use comcast (they use a Moto 6000 series HD stb), and they have the same issue: HD looks great, SD is bad.

Sorry for long post, but needed to get all information out. Thanks for responses and any help u can provide......

I live in the Tampa Area and have had FIOS HD for about 3 weeks now. I have it hooked up via an HDMI cable to my HL-S5086 sammy. I really notice the difference when using component cables compared to the HDMI. I really think the component looks better for PQ! Both sets of cables are the ones Verizon gave me when they installed so I am sure they aren't the best cables. I do notice lots of Noise in the picture when using the HDMI in the darker colors. Is this a Sammy HDMI thing or a FIOS problem?

It must be a Sammy issue jaybuc. My Fujitsu plasma looks better on the FIOS HDMI output. But hey, if it looks better on component, stick with it!

I live in Plano, TX and had Verizon Fios TV installed on 9/11/06. ..snip..

Sorry for long post, but needed to get all information out. Thanks for responses and any help u can provide......
Its common that DLP sets have poor line doublers. They are much better off staying in the digital domain. CRTs usually do a much better job of scaling the image. Since the Moto that Verizon uses just passes the image in native format, your TV is doing all of the scaling work. I bought myself a DVDO scaler a few years ago and I love it. Its has probably the best quality/price ratio on the market. The newer version even scales everything to 1080p. Needless to say, I watch very little SD programming, but the programs I do watch benefit quite a bit from the DVDO. BTW, they also have an excellent upgrade policy, so you can trade in when they come out with a new product. For the record, I have a Mits CRT.

Ken,
Thanks for the reply. Sorry I didn't respond sooner. After doing more reading it appears that the unit should be left on all the time anyway, so I guess you're correct. BTW, my sister used to live in Massapequa a long time ago. My brother-in-law taught history at Happogue (sp?) H.S.
Small world! I grew up in Massapequa Park and moved into my house in Massapequa six years ago today. Happauge is out in Suffolk County. Great school district.

Zealot,

I am not sure it is a Samsung problem. I have a Mitsu WD-52525 and my SD is crap compared to my Directv SD. I notice it a lot more when there is a lot of movement on the screen. I do have my SD content to output 480p.

KenA, I would love to not watch much SD content, but the fact that the QIP6416 has such a small hard drive, it leaves me no choice since I cannot fit lots of HD material on the box.

Does Net Shielding on an HDMI cable make a big difference? I think my issue might be from HDMI cable noise...any thoughts?

Ken,

Thanks for the reply. I will look into a scaler for improved SD picture quality. Verizon did say they are working on a fix, which i assume means the Moto box will evenatually get an improved scaler......but who knows when and how much of an improvement it will be.......

Thanks!

Z

There is construction very close to my house and last week a crew was laying some new sewer lines. Apparently last Friday they accidently cut my FiOS cable that runs behind my townhouse.

I discovered this on Sat. morning and called the Fiber Solutions number. I was told that the earliest anyone could come out was Tuesday! I told the agent that they could keep their FiOS if that's the best they could do, as both my TV and Internet service was out, and that I would could get my Cox cable reconnected in one day. So after a few minutes he came back and said that they could move me up to the next day, which was Sunday.

On Sunday morning I noticed a Verizon truck sitting up the street from my place so I walked up and found the driver eating breakfast. I asked if he was the FiOS service tech, and he said he was and that he'd be by in a little while. After approx. 30 minutes he finally comes to my door. He spent about 30 minutes checking different connection locations around my street and up the street and finally said my cable was cut.

He said that there was nothing he could do but place an order for a new cable to be buried and it would be at least one week! Well, I was not exactly happy to hear that and nicely (as I could) asked if he could run a cable above ground so that I had my connectivty back as I could not afford to be without service that long. He debated whether or not he could do that, as he said it was a safety issue. I told him that I would put a notice in all my neighbor's doors to be careful of an above ground cable that was running behind their house. He then agreed to run the cable. It had to be run approx. 265 feet from my townhouse to the other end of 8 townhouses where the connection is located. After he left he proceeded to sit in his truck for at least 30 minutes eating again. Perhaps this is why they have such long wait times for service repair.

It's now Thursday afternoon and I'm still up and running on the temporary cable, and have not seen anyone from Verizon this week. The bottom line for me is that it is obvious that a service outage for one customer is not a priority and one should not expect a quick resolution. I know and agree that the TV picture and the costs are much better than cable or D*, but the service response is not up to par in my book.

Ken,

Thanks for the reply. I will look into a scaler for improved SD picture quality. Verizon did say they are working on a fix, which i assume means the Moto box will evenatually get an improved scaler......but who knows when and how much of an improvement it will be.......

Thanks!

Z
I still doubt they're going to scale the SD programming. They're more likely talking about how they receive/modulate/digitize it in their system. Remember, its all transmitted over fiber, so they need to A/D and then D/A the analogue signals. That will inherently cause some degradation. They're probably going to upgrade the encoding hardware. Don't expect any drastic changes. For the record, here on Long Island, Verizon's SD kicks the crap out of Cablevision. Its comparable to D*. I've had all three running at once for comparison - with and without the scaler.

There is construction very close to my house and last week a crew was laying some new sewer lines. Apparently last Friday they accidently cut my FiOS cable that runs behind my townhouse.

I discovered this on Sat. morning and called the Fiber Solutions number. I was told that the earliest anyone could come out was Tuesday! I told the agent that they could keep their FiOS if that's the best they could do, as both my TV and Internet service was out, and that I would could get my Cox cable reconnected in one day. So after a few minutes he came back and said that they could move me up to the next day, which was Sunday.

On Sunday morning I noticed a Verizon truck sitting up the street from my place so I walked up and found the driver eating breakfast. I asked if he was the FiOS service tech, and he said he was and that he'd be by in a little while. After approx. 30 minutes he finally comes to my door. He spent about 30 minutes checking different connection locations around my street and up the street and finally said my cable was cut.

He said that there was nothing he could do but place an order for a new cable to be buried and it would be at least one week! Well, I was not exactly happy to hear that and nicely (as I could) asked if he could run a cable above ground so that I had my connectivty back as I could not afford to be without service that long. He debated whether or not he could do that, as he said it was a safety issue. I told him that I would put a notice in all my neighbor's doors to be careful of an above ground cable that was running behind their house. He then agreed to run the cable. It had to be run approx. 265 feet from my townhouse to the other end of 8 townhouses where the connection is located. After he left he proceeded to sit in his truck for at least 30 minutes eating again. Perhaps this is why they have such long wait times for service repair.

It's now Thursday afternoon and I'm still up and running on the temporary cable, and have not seen anyone from Verizon this week. The bottom line for me is that it is obvious that a service outage for one customer is not a priority and one should not expect a quick resolution. I know and agree that the TV picture and the costs are much better than cable or D*, but the service response is not up to par in my book.


I seriously doubt that Cox cable (or any cable company) would come out the next day and repair an underground cable that had been spliced. I think the fact that they came out when they did and ran an above-ground line for you is exemplary customer service.

FIOS is FINALLY coming to Montgomery County, MD. When....maybe next spring. I guess it really does take a law suit to finally get my county away from the Comcast monopoly.

I can't wait! LOL. I have D* now, but their HD offerings are too lacking and I'm still reluctant to shell out all that money for the mpeg4 conversion plus a new HD-DVR.

How has N.VA's HD and SD PQ's been? Better than D*? Worse?

Dizzy

Do the STB's make any noise (drivees, fans, transformer whine) when not in use...the 2500's and the DVR?

I'm pretty noise sensitive and to have either drive noise or cooling fans constantly running is a no go for me.

FIOS is FINALLY coming to Montgomery County, MD. When....maybe next spring. I guess it really does take a law suit to finally get my county away from the Comcast monopoly.

I can't wait! LOL. I have D* now, but their HD offerings are too lacking and I'm still reluctant to shell out all that money for the mpeg4 conversion plus a new HD-DVR.

How has N.VA's HD and SD PQ's been? Better than D*? Worse?

Dizzy
The PQ of standard def is far superior to D* and Cable, as I had both prior to FiOS. The HD picture is marginally better. As I'm sure you're aware there more HD channels.

My dad lives in Leesburg, VA. Switched from D*sh to fios a few weeks ago. Says the SD is much better, and thinks the HD is better. Then again, he's 60 years old. But his eyes are still good. He's got many new fios convert neighbors who claim the SD looks as good as HD did on their digital cable. I talked to a local (leesburg) fios installer friend of mine who says the same thing. I'm moving there in a few weeks. Fios sechuled install for Oct 2. So we shall see.

I will be getting Verizon FIoS next week. Im tired of DirecTv and the worthless customer support and lack of HD they offer. I can't wait for the switch. Any comments? Centreville, VA

Anyone know of the best way to get out from under D*tv and their "commitment"?

vigor,

All my comments in this thread apply to FiOS in N. VA. It's great.

My FiOS SD is better quality than Comcast (which had better quality than DirecTV at my location) and it gives me twice as many HD channels, plus faster broadband...for about $40/mo less.

Do the STB's make any noise (drivees, fans, transformer whine) when not in use...the 2500's and the DVR?

I'm pretty noise sensitive and to have either drive noise or cooling fans constantly running is a no go for me.
The hard drive in the DVR seems to run just about all the time. The 2500 seems quiet when off.

No fans in the 2500's?

I know its hard to say, but can you notice the DVR if its in a media cabinet?

Ok, I signed up for the FIOS TV service too. Now I was wondering if someone could give me some info on infrastructure? I currently have all RG6 cables from cable co as well as CAT5 run to a central Leviton panel with the exception of my D* cables that go directly from dish to HD Tivo. I plan on pulling these wires off the dish and running them into my central panel. The panel also houses the FIOS Router for my broadband. I understand that there is a single RG6 comming from the ONT into the house that needs to get split with one run to the NID or NIM and one to the back of the router. Is this correct? How big is the NID or NIM and does anyone have pics? I would like to make sure the wire is run for the DVR network to other TV's too. Thanks for any info.

Ok, I signed up for the FIOS TV service too. Now I was wondering if someone could give me some info on infrastructure? I currently have all RG6 cables from cable co as well as CAT5 run to a central Leviton panel with the exception of my D* cables that go directly from dish to HD Tivo.

RG6 tri-shield is the minimum standard for Verizon. In certain cases, RG59 is acceptable as long as it passes testing. Most homes that have been built with structured wiring panels, in my experience, have RG6 runs. Sounds like you should be OK!

I plan on pulling these wires off the dish and running them into my central panel. The panel also houses the FIOS Router for my broadband.

Structured wire....a beautiful thing. If everything tests ok, the most the tech should have to do is change the fittings to compression fittings and replace the splitter in your hub.

I understand that there is a single RG6 comming from the ONT into the house that needs to get split with one run to the NID or NIM and one to the back of the router. Is this correct?

Close, yes, one leg goes to the NIM and thats's it. The rest go to your STB's. The NIM is connected to your DLink via ethernet. (If your DLink is maxed out you would need to add a switch.)

How big is the NID or NIM and does anyone have pics?

The NIM is about the size of an analog, standalone, oldtime modem. Don't forget, this is powered too. Sorry, no pics.

I would like to make sure the wire is run for the DVR network to other TV's too. Thanks for any info.

Having the hub should accomplish this perfectly, since RG6 should be going to each desired STB location already. The multi-room DVR uses the coax via the MOCA network it creates with the STB's, NIM and PC.

-Jim

I found a Fios TV Survey on Verizon's web site, if anyone wants to provide them with feedback.

Fios TV Survey (http://www22.verizon.com/content/fiostv/about+fios+tv/about+fios+tv.htm)
Look for the "Love your Fios TV? Share your Input Here" on the Right side.

I know the S3 Tivo just came out, but does anybody with FiOS here have one yet? Maybe this should be separate topic?

I know the S3 Tivo just came out, but does anybody with FiOS here have one yet? Maybe this should be separate topic?
I tried to start a thread about that here:
FiOS and TIVO S3 Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=723985)

Structured wire....a beautiful thing. If everything tests ok, the most the tech should have to do is change the fittings to compression fittings and replace the splitter in your hub.-Jim
What's up with these "compression fittings"? What was wrong with the fittings that Comcast used for their digital DVR? They worked fine, can't understand why they had to be replaced.

FIOS is FINALLY coming to Montgomery County, MD. When....maybe next spring. I guess it really does take a law suit to finally get my county away from the Comcast monopoly.

I can't wait! LOL. I have D* now, but their HD offerings are too lacking and I'm still reluctant to shell out all that money for the mpeg4 conversion plus a new HD-DVR.

How has N.VA's HD and SD PQ's been? Better than D*? Worse?

Dizzy
Dizzy,
where did you get this info from?! I cannot wait to leave Comcast, but I have yet to see any confirmed dates for FIOS TV here in Montgomery County...Hope you are right. Also, I continue to get tons of flyers and mailers from Verizon telling me to switch to FIOS Internet, and I've been tempted, but to be honest I've held off because:
-Combined cost of TV/Internet with Comcast is better than Comcast TV and FIOS Internet
-I think I might get a better deal from Verizon if I wait until they have FIOS TV/Internet

Your thoughts?

The link to the story is here:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060913/nyw063.html?.v=64

and here:

http://www22.verizon.com/about/community/md/

I currently have FIOS. Since I have D*, it didn't make sense for me to go with Comcast for internet service due to their non-customer surcharges. I'm hoping that Verizon will offer some great packages for FIOS, FIOS TV, and phone service.

Comcast is already able to offer phone service in the county, so it really wasn't fair that Verizon had problems getting a franchise approved by the county.

I was told early spring by a Comcast cable channel station ower that was approached by Verizon reps to leave Comcast and join Verizon's FIOS TV instead. LOL. They are still mulling over that issue since Verizon is requiring that channel operators sign exclusivity agreements before joining FIOS TV. It should be an interesting battle over channel content in the next year or so in Montgomery County.

Dizzy

What's up with these "compression fittings"? What was wrong with the fittings that Comcast used for their digital DVR? They worked fine, can't understand why they had to be replaced.

If the crimp fittings were done properly, you probably didnt have a problem. (I believe that compression fitting are now standard for comcast.) There may not have been a problem, but it is Verizon policy to change them to 'CF' whenever possible.

As far as any advantage to compression fittings, there is apparently zero dB loss with a 'CF'.

The link to the story is here:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060913/nyw063.html?.v=64

and here:

http://www22.verizon.com/about/community/md/

Comcast is already able to offer phone service in the county, so it really wasn't fair that Verizon had problems getting a franchise approved by the county.



Such a great product, that digital voice......HA! V* is reconnecting about 300 or so customers a day from VOIP services. I myself have been doing an average of two a day for about 2 months now. It's always the same complaints....."Whenever my cable goes out, I can't use my phone" and "My calls drop out after a few minutes".

The link to the story is here:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060913/nyw063.html?.v=64

and here:

http://www22.verizon.com/about/community/md/

I currently have FIOS. Since I have D*, it didn't make sense for me to go with Comcast for internet service due to their non-customer surcharges. I'm hoping that Verizon will offer some great packages for FIOS, FIOS TV, and phone service.

Comcast is already able to offer phone service in the county, so it really wasn't fair that Verizon had problems getting a franchise approved by the county.

I was told early spring by a Comcast cable channel station ower that was approached by Verizon reps to leave Comcast and join Verizon's FIOS TV instead. LOL. They are still mulling over that issue since Verizon is requiring that channel operators sign exclusivity agreements before joining FIOS TV. It should be an interesting battle over channel content in the next year or so in Montgomery County.

Dizzy
Great, thanks Dizzy! I had no idea the an agreement had been reached. It appears from the news release that they will begin offering TV service in early '07. I looked at the proposed coverage map and Germantown is listed under "Initial Coverage" area, leading me to believe we would be one of the first areas to get TV. I think I will make the change to FIOS internet and phone service (2 lines) and patiently wait for the TV service to come next year. Are there any deals out there (i.e. ways to avoid activation fees or set up charges for the Internet and/or phone service)?

On Sunday morning I noticed a Verizon truck sitting up the street from my place so I walked up and found the driver eating breakfast. I asked if he was the FiOS service tech, and he said he was and that he'd be by in a little while. After approx. 30 minutes he finally comes to my door. He spent about 30 minutes checking different connection locations around my street and up the street and finally said my cable was cut.

The next time you want the Verizon Robot to show up to fix your service, just request him. Until then, the next time you find yourself doing something that resembles being human, just remember this thread and say to yourself "God I'm a Jackass"

I live in Plano, TX and had Verizon Fios TV installed ...the SD picture quality on my main TV is bad...

Welcome to my world! In Plano (Custer & 15th) and SD is miserable. It is NOT your TV. I have a Mits crt based 65-313.... HD is awesome but SD varies from fair to big time suck.

People have responded to my post earlier in this thread with responses from "have the exact same problem" to "mine is awesome".

Verizion has been out numerous times and first it was a "problem with my wiring" then "maybe it's your TV" finally "known issue, will be fixed when we switch to mpeg 4".

Short story is they compress the hell out of the SD channels and maybe the 6416 just sucks. But if you give it enough time you will get used to it. Sad as that is....


Wife wants to go back to Directv BAD. Hates Hates Hates the fios menus and the remote and the crappy SD channels. The only thing that saves fios is that it's $25-30 cheaper than the equiv Directv package and I would have to buy a HD DVR ($399).


So, enjoy your HD channels and tolerate the SD.

Verizion has been out numerous times and first it was a "problem with my wiring" then "maybe it's your TV" finally "known issue, will be fixed when we switch to mpeg 4".



I am glad to see that someone else has been told that the problem lies with their TV. I agree whole heartedly about the reception. I cannot say enough great things about the HD and most of the SD digital. My problem has only been with a few of the SD digital channels.

What surprises me is the switch to mpeg4. Here I thought that FIOS had tons of bandwidth, so why bother switching to mpeg4?

What surprises me is the switch to mpeg4. Here I thought that FIOS had tons of bandwidth, so why bother switching to mpeg4?

There is no such thing as enough bandwidth, with HD Video on demand, hundreds of channels, and who knows what next.

- Rich

I am not overly impressed with the HD PQ. I think its ok, but I do notice a lot of what looks like "noise" or artifacting on most HD channels in dark colors, its not bad but could be better. Anyone else notice that?

I think you're just about the first one to report anything like that jaybuc. Some have commented about so so PQ on SD, but it seems HD has gotten pretty universal praise. In fact I had my first opportunity to compare OTA HD via my new S3 Tivo with the same channels delivered by FIOS. For the first time I saw no difference in picture quality. That sure wasn't the case with D*.

So your problem may be somewhere else in your chain.

I think you're just about the first one to report anything like that jaybuc. Some have commented about so so PQ on SD, but it seems HD has gotten pretty universal praise. In fact I had my first opportunity to compare OTA HD via my new S3 Tivo with the same channels delivered by FIOS. For the first time I saw no difference in picture quality. That sure wasn't the case with D*.

So your problem may be somewhere else in your chain.

Hey Ken. If ou have the S3 Tivo, have you noticed any difference in SD PQ through it compared to through the Verizon Motorola boxes? I read on another board that the PQ of FiOS SD using the S3 Tivo is better than with the Motorola boxes.

Rickypicky, I don't yet have the FIOS CCs, so I'm just using it for OTA HD until my FIOS appointment next week. So at this point I can't comment about SD PQ. The other thing in my setup is that I always keep my boxes fixed at 1080i, so I don't really ever look at "true" SD in the sense of 480i/480p. I do that for a couple of reasons, first I tend to prefer the smoothness of an SD channel upconverted to 1080i and 2nd, I don't like the constant resynching of the display when you go from 720p to 1080i and then to SD. It lengthens the channel changes too.

where are you all hearing about a switch to mpeg-4. I install fios and have heard nothing about this. Fios has 3.5 times the video bandwith of comcast so why would a switch to mpeg-4 be neccesary?

Rickypicky, I don't yet have the FIOS CCs, so I'm just using it for OTA HD until my FIOS appointment next week. So at this point I can't comment about SD PQ. The other thing in my setup is that I always keep my boxes fixed at 1080i, so I don't really ever look at "true" SD in the sense of 480i/480p. I do that for a couple of reasons, first I tend to prefer the smoothness of an SD channel upconverted to 1080i and 2nd, I don't like the constant resynching of the display when you go from 720p to 1080i and then to SD. It lengthens the channel changes too.

The 1080i comparison will be fine (apples with apples ;) ). Looking forward to reading what you think. Good luck.

I am seriously considering the S3 as well. Prior to FiOS, I had D* and the HD DirectTivo. The Tivo software is far superior to the software on the Moto boxes (IMHO).

I am not overly impressed with the HD PQ. I think its ok, but I do notice a lot of what looks like "noise" or artifacting on most HD channels in dark colors, its not bad but could be better. Anyone else notice that?

Any channel or program in particular? I have noticed a little funkiness now and then (and some jitter on HD here and there) but when I check the credits it was taped back in 1997-ish... the dark ages of HD.

I have also noticed some wierdness on TMC-HD when they show non HD content (old er movies, etc) where the picture "pops" around a little. But all the shows that are real HD I've had no issues with.

Re: the mpeg 4... the 3rd visit I got from 3 Verizon techs (one said he was a senior tech) said they are going to mpeg4 eventually and add a crazy amount of HD channels. He said they might give out new hd dvr's at that point. For what it's worth.

Re: the mpeg 4... the 3rd visit I got from 3 Verizon techs (one said he was a senior tech) said they are going to mpeg4 eventually and add a crazy amount of HD channels. He said they might give out new hd dvr's at that point. For what it's worth.

I would think they'd have to give out new DVRs if they switch...unless the current ones are also mpeg4 compatible.

This is a little off topic, but still related. Do you all use some type of Power filter (surge "noise" filter) like Monster or APC? I wonder if I am getting some type of "noise" over my lines. Just a thought

I would think they'd have to give out new DVRs if they switch...unless the current ones are also mpeg4 compatible.The QIP-6416's aren't. Verizon has not deployed any MPEG4 capable boxes yet to my knowledge. Any MPEG4 services would require new boxes for anyone to get.

Fios has 3.5 times the video bandwith of comcast so why would a switch to mpeg-4 be neccesary?Where do you get this number from? Verizon uses 860MHz RF for linear video ... same as Comcast (and other cable companies) in many areas. Cable plants that aren't 860MHz are usually 750MHz ... there's not many 550MHz plants around anymore and you'd certainly be hard pressed to find a 250MHz plant.

Now, Verizon does offload some things to IP that Comcast puts in that 860MHz ... which saves a little bit of bandwidth (but not that much). Verizon's big bandwidth advantage (for video) simply comes from the fact that they don't carry as many analog channels as cable companies.

I'm impressed. I recently subscribed to FiOSTV with 1 HD DVR + 2 standard boxs in Howard County MD. The one nagging complaint that I had was the general lack of Children's VOD. My son is a huge Bob the Builder fan and was used to watching Bob on the non-HD TV via VOD. No Bob = Big Problems.

Two days ago, I subscribed to the multi-room DVR. Works GREAT! I can now play the recorded Bob on the standard box. Yes, there are limitations (can't record via the non DVR box, can't show HD recordings); but I didn't have to get any new hardware, the price was reasonable, the quality is acceptable.

Now, if I can just get Season 3 Battlestar G in High Def; I'd be happy.

Just thought I'd share...

The one nagging complaint that I had was the general lack of Children's VOD. My son is a huge Bob the Builder fan and was used to watching Bob on the non-HD TV via VOD. No Bob = Big Problems.One of the few things I really miss on Fios coming from cable (Cox) ... PBS Sprout On Demand.

Just got FIOS TV installed about 2 hours ago...been playing with it ever since. I have had the FIOS internet service for about a month.

Previous services have been Adelphia SD with TiVo, DirecTV SD with DirecTiVo, Adelphia HD with Moxi, and most recently Dish HD with the 942 PVR.

Picturewise, FIOS has all of them beat, except for possibly DirecTV's SD picture. The HD picture is the best I have had on my TV.

So far though, I am not liking the software or remote. I will give it more time though since 2 hours may not be fair for judgement.

As for remotes, does anybody have a Moto 6416-2 .mxd file for the Home Theater Master MX-700 they care to share?

Curtis, you might be happy with the Tivo S3 if you really don't like the FIOS PVR.

Curtis, you might be happy with the Tivo S3 if you really don't like the FIOS PVR.
I know I definitely would be happier with the TiVo S3. I think the TiVo software is the best I have used.

The problem is the cost of the thing! :)

Yep, everyone on the planet would be happier with the S3. Just not happy enough to invest the $800 + monthly fee.

For now I'm still hanging onto my D*Tivo w/lifetime (2, actually) and biding my time. Maybe when the S3 drops in price or when FiOs' DVR improves, I'll make the switch to FiOs.

Now, if I can just get Season 3 Battlestar G in High Def; I'd be happy.


Man, I was hoping Universal HD was going carry season 3 but they're still showing S2 re-runs through October. DOH!

Universal HD will carry season three, but unfortunately, it will be months after those episodes premiere on Sci Fi.

There is construction very close to my house and last week a crew was laying some new sewer lines. Apparently last Friday they accidently cut my FiOS cable that runs behind my townhouse.

I discovered this on Sat. morning and called the Fiber Solutions number. I was told that the earliest anyone could come out was Tuesday! I told the agent that they could keep their FiOS if that's the best they could do, as both my TV and Internet service was out, and that I would could get my Cox cable reconnected in one day. So after a few minutes he came back and said that they could move me up to the next day, which was Sunday.

On Sunday morning I noticed a Verizon truck sitting up the street from my place so I walked up and found the driver eating breakfast. I asked if he was the FiOS service tech, and he said he was and that he'd be by in a little while. After approx. 30 minutes he finally comes to my door. He spent about 30 minutes checking different connection locations around my street and up the street and finally said my cable was cut.

He said that there was nothing he could do but place an order for a new cable to be buried and it would be at least one week! Well, I was not exactly happy to hear that and nicely (as I could) asked if he could run a cable above ground so that I had my connectivty back as I could not afford to be without service that long. He debated whether or not he could do that, as he said it was a safety issue. I told him that I would put a notice in all my neighbor's doors to be careful of an above ground cable that was running behind their house. He then agreed to run the cable. It had to be run approx. 265 feet from my townhouse to the other end of 8 townhouses where the connection is located. After he left he proceeded to sit in his truck for at least 30 minutes eating again. Perhaps this is why they have such long wait times for service repair.

It's now Thursday afternoon and I'm still up and running on the temporary cable, and have not seen anyone from Verizon this week. The bottom line for me is that it is obvious that a service outage for one customer is not a priority and one should not expect a quick resolution. I know and agree that the TV picture and the costs are much better than cable or D*, but the service response is not up to par in my book.
My FiOS cable has been re-buried and connected as of Monday. It took almost two and 1/2 weeks to complete this in No. VA. I had to contact the Fiber Solutions Center 4 times to get the work completed, as somehow the "ticket" kept getting completed in their system. Each phase took a different ticket: the initial call; the crew to bury a new cable (2 calls); and finally a crew to re-connect the new cable and remove the temporary one. If I had not convinced the first technician to run an above ground temporary cable I would have been without TV and Internet service since Sept. 9.

This is a little off topic, but still related. Do you all use some type of Power filter (surge "noise" filter) like Monster or APC? I wonder if I am getting some type of "noise" over my lines. Just a thought
I purchased a Monster Power 3600 MKII and my picture has improved. I live in a 40 year old townhouse and I know that my power is not clean. This device has worked well for me. I purchased it off of Ebay for approx. 1/2 price, and it was new in the original box.

I have the multi-media DVR. How do I change the output resolution? It looks like it is just passing the native resolution right now, and the picture is great, but I want to check out the other options.

thanks

I have the multi-media DVR. How do I change the output resolution? It looks like it is just passing the native resolution right now, and the picture is great, but I want to check out the other options.
It's the same as on other Motorola boxes. Turn the box off and then press menu.

It's the same as on other Motorola boxes. Turn the box off and then press menu.
On then what? Do I program it through the box's display?

Anybody know what the status is on apartment buildings? Clarendon/Arlington Va has Fios for a very long time but supposedly apartments had to wait for a special box to be developed which was supposed to be done already. Anybody know the status? I can't take COMSHAFT anymore... Well, I haven't been able to take them for 10 years and I really want rid of them forever, like the comshaft they are...

On then what? Do I program it through the box's display?
You can, but if you leave the TV display on you'll see the menus on your screen.

You can, but if you leave the TV display on you'll see the menus on your screen.
I tried it, but something was recording.....nothing happenned. So my guess is nothing can be recording during this process.

Great...got it to work. Thanks guys! Much appreciated.

Hi all,

New to this great forum. I live in Howard county, Maryland. I had Comcast (for internet) and DirecTV service for the last six years. I had Fios internet (15 Mbps) installed about two weeks ago and so far so good. I also had the Fios TV installed a week ago. The internal comminucations between VZ's sales department and installation department were horrible. There were several delays.

I am quite happy with the internet but the tv is a different story. I connected three hdtv boxes to my two Samsung DLPs (50") and Sony LCD (26") via hdmi-dvi cables, I also have three standard boxes for small Sharp LCD tvs. Standard channels are ok on the three small Sharp LCD tvs. The HD picture quality on the Samsungs and Sony is very good but the standard channels on these three are not as good as my old DirecTV. It has noise, ghost, shadows, whatever you want to call them. I called Verizon twice. The first time the guy asked me to check if the connections were loose. O.K., I checked and they weren't loose. I called them again and this time the guy said he would reset something from his office but nothing changed. I will call them again after they bury the cable in my yard. I read from various forums where some folks also claim that the HD channels are great but standard channels suck. I am wondering if anyone here had the same problem and got it solved?

Thanks,

Bimmerguy

Hi all,

New to this great forum. I live in Howard county, Maryland. I had Comcast (for internet) and DirecTV service for the last six years. I had Fios internet (15 Mbps) installed about two weeks ago and so far so good. I also had the Fios TV installed a week ago. The internal comminucations between VZ's sales department and installation department were horrible. There were several delays.

I am quite happy with the internet but the tv is a different story. I connected two hdtv boxes to my Samsung DLP (50") and Sony LCD (26") via hdmi-dvi cables, I also have three standard boxes for small Sharp LCD tvs. Standard channels are ok on the three small Sharp LCD tvs. The HD picture quality on the Samsung and Sony is very good but the standard channels on these two are not as good as my old DirecTV. It has noise, ghost, shadows, whatever you want to call them. I called Verizon twice. The first time the guy asked me to check if the connections were loose. O.K., I checked and they weren't loose. I called them again and this time the guy said he would reset something from his office but nothing changed. I will call them again after they bury the cable in my yard. I read from various forums where some folks also claim that the HD channels are great but standard channels suck. I am wondering if anyone here had the same problem and got it solved?

Thanks,

Bimmerguy


Is Fios tv running over the same cables that the Directv was?

Is Fios tv running over the same cables that the Directv was?


Yes. The tech guys didn't need to run any new cables (not even the Cat. 5) in my house, which is only six years old and all prewired for tv and internet. I have a communication hub in my basement that I bought from Verizon when I built the house. The TV singal feed goes into the hub then the hub distributes the signal to different rooms and the Vezizon router.

I would try a dedicated run from the box and see if that improves anything. At least that way you can rule out your hub and the pre-existing wiring. My SD looks far better on the vast majority of channels than they ever did on D*.

Another thing you might want to try is lowering the sharpness. I noticed that SD on FIOS is much sharper than it was on D*. Some people may have tried to raise the sharpness on their TVs to compensate for the lousy D* signal. With those settings and then switching to FIOS, I could see where that might cause issues.

I would try a dedicated run from the box and see if that improves anything. At least that way you can rule out your hub and the pre-existing wiring. My SD looks far better on the vast majority of channels than they ever did on D*.

Another thing you might want to try is lowering the sharpness. I noticed that SD on FIOS is much sharper than it was on D*. Some people may have tried to raise the sharpness on their TVs to compensate for the lousy D* signal. With those settings and then switching to FIOS, I could see where that might cause issues.

O.K., I will try that and see what happens. The standard channels do seem to have better "depth" than those from DirecTV but the ghost probelm on the two TVs using the hd box is bothersome. They are not unwatchable though.

Thanks, Ken. Will let you folks know how it works out.

Anybody know what the status is on apartment buildings? Clarendon/Arlington Va has Fios for a very long time but supposedly apartments had to wait for a special box to be developed which was supposed to be done already. Anybody know the status? I can't take COMSHAFT anymore... Well, I haven't been able to take them for 10 years and I really want rid of them forever, like the comshaft they are...
I'm an apartment dweller as well and have an installation date of Monday. The ONT is already installed outside and wire has been snaked into the apartment. The installer is scheduled to be here around 8:00am to provide FIOS Internet and TV. I'll let you know what happens as soon as it's finished.

I'm an apartment dweller as well and have an installation date of Monday. The ONT is already installed outside and wire has been snaked into the apartment. The installer is scheduled to be here around 8:00am to provide FIOS Internet and TV. I'll let you know what happens as soon as it's finished.

Will look for your report tomorrow! Curious who you are using now- D*? Comcast? other?

O.K., I will try that and see what happens. The standard channels do seem to have better "depth" than those from DirecTV but the ghost probelm on the two TVs using the hd box is bothersome. They are not unwatchable though.

Thanks, Ken. Will let you folks know how it works out.
Does your pre-existing wiring have any unterminated connections off of a splitter? If so, that could cause reflections on some or all channels... they might be worse than they were with CC because the ONT puts out a hot signal. The FiOS installer had to put attenuators on each of our STBs because the level was so high. (Because of the various pre-existing cables we had, the signal was a different level at each set.. otherwise one attenuator just before the splitter would have worked.)

Btw important question... what is your bimmer? :)

Will look for your report tomorrow! Curious who you are using now- D*? Comcast? other?
I presently have E* as my TV source. I've got a 622 DVR which has been flawless and also receive all local channels OTA as well as through E*. There is a definite difference between OTA and locals via E*, but I've got to admit that E* has come a long way to provide decent local channels. When I change providers tomorrow, I'll lose some HD, but it's really nothing I can't live without since the majority of them are VOOM channels.

I'll let you know how everything goes tomorrow night. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I'm an apartment dweller as well and have an installation date of Monday. The ONT is already installed outside and wire has been snaked into the apartment. The installer is scheduled to be here around 8:00am to provide FIOS Internet and TV. I'll let you know what happens as soon as it's finished.
So you're getting your own ONT? I can see that. My wife's aunt lived in a medium-high rise apt building and I remember the cable co. running coax up the outside of the building to each unit (about 10-12 years ago.) The building had been built with TV coax in the walls.. but it was probably very old and outdated.
I suppose Verizon could be doing the same for individual unit FiOS installations. But I thought there was some announcement several months ago about multi-unit ONTs that would serve an entire building. Guess the method they use depends on the building infrastructure and the willingness of the owner to rewire.

So you're getting your own ONT? I can see that. My wife's aunt lived in a medium-high rise apt building and I remember the cable co. running coax up the outside of the building to each unit (about 10-12 years ago.) The building had been built with TV coax in the walls.. but it was probably very old and outdated.
I suppose Verizon could be doing the same for individual unit FiOS installations. But I thought there was some announcement several months ago about multi-unit ONTs that would serve an entire building. Guess the method they use depends on the building infrastructure and the willingness of the owner to rewire.
From what little I understand so far, the ONT on the outside services the 6 apartments within the actual structure. Cable has already been run from the ONT into the individual units. The installation was done about 3 months ago and apparently, the techs have been testing the system for about 2 months. I was informed that it's ready to go by a Verizon rep, so I'm giving it a shot. Everything is still unknown at this time. The actual cable itself is embedded in the wall in a closet with a plate over it,

So you're getting your own ONT? I can see that. My wife's aunt lived in a medium-high rise apt building and I remember the cable co. running coax up the outside of the building to each unit (about 10-12 years ago.) The building had been built with TV coax in the walls.. but it was probably very old and outdated.
I suppose Verizon could be doing the same for individual unit FiOS installations. But I thought there was some announcement several months ago about multi-unit ONTs that would serve an entire building. Guess the method they use depends on the building infrastructure and the willingness of the owner to rewire.
As I said before, the ONT is on the outside of the building, and the installer installed an "SFH ONT 611" on the inside next to the battery backup which is inside a closet. Cat 5 was run along the floorboard and holes were drilled between the existing walls. The router (Actiontec M1424WR) and splitter were placed in my den and cable was run from the den to the TV.

Internet speeds are off the chart. I'm easily getting 15Mps on the downside.

TV is better than Dish, especially the SD channels. The DVR (6416) isn't as user friendly as my VIP 611 and I was told it's a "work in progress" but the picture leaps out at you. Local HD through Vz compares to OTA from what I can see, but I'll have to wait for "primetime" to really scope things out. All the other HD channels (HDNet, National Geographic, ESPN, etc) are exceptional.

One thing the Motorola has over the VIP 611 is it's "true" HDMI connection. I'm getting 5.1 over HDMI which is something the 611 can't do. With the 611, you have to use your optical out to get it or be content with stereo only.

I just recently got the Tivo S3 and just had the FIOS CCs installed yesterday. For anyone that's looking for a subsitute for the Motorola box (which I think isn't really that bad at all), there's a very nice solution. The picture is stellar, every bit as good as the Motorola, but you do get the larger hard drive and the very nice Tivo interface and operating system.

I was never a big fan of the D* Tivo, but I like this one much better.

Hi all,

New to this great forum. I live in Howard county, Maryland. I had Comcast (for internet) and DirecTV service for the last six years. I had Fios internet (15 Mbps) installed about two weeks ago and so far so good. I also had the Fios TV installed a week ago. The internal comminucations between VZ's sales department and installation department were horrible. There were several delays.

I am quite happy with the internet but the tv is a different story. I connected three hdtv boxes to my two Samsung DLPs (50") and Sony LCD (26") via hdmi-dvi cables, I also have three standard boxes for small Sharp LCD tvs. Standard channels are ok on the three small Sharp LCD tvs. The HD picture quality on the Samsungs and Sony is very good but the standard channels on these three are not as good as my old DirecTV. It has noise, ghost, shadows, whatever you want to call them. I called Verizon twice. The first time the guy asked me to check if the connections were loose. O.K., I checked and they weren't loose. I called them again and this time the guy said he would reset something from his office but nothing changed. I will call them again after they bury the cable in my yard. I read from various forums where some folks also claim that the HD channels are great but standard channels suck. I am wondering if anyone here had the same problem and got it solved?

Thanks,

Bimmerguy

OK, I just got off the phone with Verizon for the third time regarding the shadow/ghost probelm with the non-hd channels from the hd boxes. This rep seemed to be a lot more knowledgable than the last two I spoke to. After I explained the probelm, he asked me what type TVs I have for the Fios hd boxes, I said two Samsung DLPs and a Sony lcd. He said it's a known problem that the non-hd channels from the Fios hd set top boxes don't work well with Samsung DLPs and their software engineers are working on a fix. He couldn't give me a time frame when they willl fix the bug. He did direct me to the floowing Samsung web site: http://erms.samsungusa.com/customer/sea/jsp/faqs/faqs_view.jsp?PG_ID=3&AT_ID=14237&PROD_SUB_ID=41&PROD_ID=-1

If they can't solve the problem in few weeks, I will switch back to DirecTv. That will be a shame.

Any other Samsung DLP owners out there having similar problem?

Thanks,

Bimmerguy

That's really strange that SD channels wouldn't work well with a select few HDTVs. Bimmerguy, what happens when you output 1080i fixed from the box? It seems to me that should solve the problem if your regular HD channels are looking good. At that point it's only the Motorola box that's upconverting and feeding your Sammy the same signal as it were a regular HD channel. The Sammy shouldn't know the difference since it only sees 1080i on all channels.....unless I'm missing something.

That's really strange that SD channels wouldn't work well with a select few HDTVs. Bimmerguy, what happens when you output 1080i fixed from the box? It seems to me that should solve the problem if your regular HD channels are looking good. At that point it's only the Motorola box that's upconverting and feeding your Sammy the same signal as it were a regular HD channel. The Sammy shouldn't know the difference since it only sees 1080i on all channels.....unless I'm missing something.

Ken,

I tried both 760p and 1080i, couldn't tell much difference. The non-hd pictures on the new Sammy (HLS5087) I got yesterday are even worse the those on my other three-year old Sammy DLP, lots of noise, shadows. Maybe I should have bought a Sony.

I have to say that the non-hd pictures on my non-hd Sharp LCD tvs are sharper and better than that from DirecTV. It's just the non-hd pictures on my two Sammy DLPs that are really bothering me.

...I am quite happy with the internet but the tv is a different story. I connected three hdtv boxes to my two Samsung DLPs (50") and Sony LCD (26") via hdmi-dvi cables, I also have three standard boxes for small Sharp LCD tvs. Standard channels are ok on the three small Sharp LCD tvs. The HD picture quality on the Samsungs and Sony is very good but the standard channels on these three are not as good as my old DirecTV. It has noise, ghost, shadows, whatever you want to call them...I read from various forums where some folks also claim that the HD channels are great but standard channels suck. I am wondering if anyone here had the same problem and got it solved?Is Fios tv running over the same cables that the Directv was?Yes.I would try a dedicated run from the box and see if that improves anything. At least that way you can rule out your hub and the pre-existing wiring. My SD looks far better on the vast majority of channels than they ever did on D*.This mirrors my experience to a tee.O.K., I will try that and see what happens.I couldn't tell from your posts whether you actually did this or not. This sounds like your problem.Does your pre-existing wiring have any unterminated connections off of a splitter? If so, that could cause reflections on some or all channels... they might be worse than they were with CC because the ONT puts out a hot signal.OK, I just got off the phone with Verizon for the third time regarding the shadow/ghost probelm with the non-hd channels from the hd boxes. This rep seemed to be a lot more knowledgable than the last two I spoke to. After I explained the probelm, he asked me what type TVs I have for the Fios hd boxes, I said two Samsung DLPs and a Sony lcd. He said it's a known problem that the non-hd channels from the Fios hd set top boxes don't work well with Samsung DLPs and their software engineers are working on a fix...This sounds like BS to me and that your support guy was grasping at straws. It absolutely flies in the face of my experience with FiOS TV since January.

If they can't solve the problem in few weeks, I will switch back to DirecTv. That will be a shame.

Any other Samsung DLP owners out there having similar problem?I own a Samsung DLP 2004 model (HLP4663W). I have no such problem. To the contrary, my SD is much better than it was with D*. I was with D* for over 6 years. I would plead with you to check your cabling. With the quality of your AV gear, D* doesn't deserve your business.
By the way, are you connecting the 6416 to your Yamaha AV receiver by HDMI? If so, how is it working for you?

This mirrors my experience to a tee.I couldn't tell from your posts whether you actually did this or not. This sounds like your problem.This sounds like BS to me and that your support guy was grasping at straws. It absolutely flies in the face of my experience with FiOS TV since January.

I own a Samsung DLP 2004 model (HLP4663W). I have no such problem. To the contrary, my SD is much better than it was with D*. I was with D* for over 6 years. I would plead with you to check your cabling. With the quality of your AV gear, D* doesn't deserve your business.
By the way, are you connecting the 6416 to your Yamaha AV receiver by HDMI? If so, how is it working for you?


No, I connect the Moto box directly to the new Sammy by HDMI. I rarely watch movies from satellite/cable so I don't need to fancy sound from the receiver.

I haven't tried to run a new cable to see if the ghost problem will go away on the Sammy. Will do that when I get a chance later. I am not sure if the support guy I talked to this morning was giving me BS or not. Check this out: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17001337~mode=flat


appearently I am not the only one that has the poor picture problem with non-hd channels on Sammy DLPs.

Thanks,

Check this out: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17001337~mode=flat


appearently I am not the only one that has the poor picture problem with non-hd channels on Sammy DLPs.

I quite agree that you are not the only one. I have been following these FiOS threads for over a year now. I will say that you are in a minority. I read that thread. I stand by my speculation that it is in the cabling. My PQ on FiOS--both SD and HD--on my 720p Sammy DLP far surpasses any PQ I ever had on D*. I am connected by HDMI from the 6416 to the TV. HDMI output is set to 720p and 4:3 override is turned off. I wish you the best of luck.

I quite agree that you are not the only one. I have been following these FiOS threads for over a year now. I will say that you are in a minority. I read that thread. I stand by my speculation that it is in the cabling. My PQ on FiOS--both SD and HD--on my 720p Sammy DLP far surpasses any PQ I ever had on D*. I am connected by HDMI from the 6416 to the TV. HDMI output is set to 720p and 4:3 override is turned off. I wish you the best of luck.

I will run a new cable to see if it solve the problem. Thanks a bunch.

On Sunday, two separate HD DVR recordings had "skipping" problems. One had been previously recorded from HBO, the other was a recent CBS football game. In both cases, the program would play and every two to three seconds the screen would "freeze" for perhaps a tenth of a second then jump to normal. The audio was not affected.

Playing the same recordings several hours later had no problems. I have a Motorola 6416-2. Nothing was being recorded while the problems occurred.

My only theory, with zero supporting evidence, is that the box was getting some sort of update while I was replaying the programs.

Any thoughts? My old Comcast system had similar problems when I was using VOD and recording at the same time.

I had FIOS installed last Friday and noticed poor quality on some HD channels. Local ABC was one of them. I live in Coppell, TX and have seen other DFW area posts mention the same problem. Its not the TV. I never had that particular problem with Comcast / Time Warner. Other quality issues caused me to change providers.

Has anyone heard about a solution?

Also, has anyone figured out how to program commercial skip on the new black remotes from Scientific Atlanta?

Does your pre-existing wiring have any unterminated connections off of a splitter? If so, that could cause reflections on some or all channels... they might be worse than they were with CC because the ONT puts out a hot signal. The FiOS installer had to put attenuators on each of our STBs because the level was so high. (Because of the various pre-existing cables we had, the signal was a different level at each set.. otherwise one attenuator just before the splitter would have worked.)

Btw important question... what is your bimmer? :)

I believe the cables go from the communication hub in my basement all the way to different rooms. They were wired before the house was finished. The VZ feed goes into the hub. The hub has a built in amplifier. At installation, the VZ tech guy had to adjust the level of the signal boosting in the hub. He said it could get too strong for the boxes. I adjusted it from min to max to see if it would change the ghost problems on my Samsung DLPs but couldn't tell much difference. I will try to run a new cable to one of the Samsungs to see if it works.

To answer your off topic question, my bimmer is 2003 330 convertible. will get the new 335 vert with the hard top when it comes out next year.

On Sunday, two separate HD DVR recordings had "skipping" problems. One had been previously recorded from HBO, the other was a recent CBS football game. In both cases, the program would play and every two to three seconds the screen would "freeze" for perhaps a tenth of a second then jump to normal. The audio was not affected.

Playing the same recordings several hours later had no problems. I have a Motorola 6416-2. Nothing was being recorded while the problems occurred.

My only theory, with zero supporting evidence, is that the box was getting some sort of update while I was replaying the programs.

Any thoughts? My old Comcast system had similar problems when I was using VOD and recording at the same time.

Yup, been there done that. You may have a wiring issue. I had precisely the same issue. I'd be willing to bet if you had checked a live HD broadcast with considerable movement, you would have seen the same video stutter at that time. Once the issue passes, you'll find both your recordings and your live broadcasts are fine. Why these issues are intermittent I have no idea.

My problems were solved when they ran a 'homerun' from the box to the TV. It seems to me these issues arise when they use existing wiring that may not be in the best shape. I know that it's not an update since when I had this issue it was only on one TV while the others were not affected.

I had FIOS installed last Friday and noticed poor quality on some HD channels. Local ABC was one of them. I live in Coppell, TX and have seen other DFW area posts mention the same problem. Its not the TV. I never had that particular problem with Comcast / Time Warner. Other quality issues caused me to change providers.

Has anyone heard about a solution?


I live in Tampa, FL and notice this same issue with some HD channels. Its kind of a grainy look, still looks like HD just not 100%, almost looks like some sort of noise. I am currently using HDMI and have also tried component, but I notice it using both. I am wondring if its also an outside wiring issue..splitter etc... Any thoughts??

This mirrors my experience to a tee.I couldn't tell from your posts whether you actually did this or not. This sounds like your problem.This sounds like BS to me and that your support guy was grasping at straws. It absolutely flies in the face of my experience with FiOS TV since January.

I own a Samsung DLP 2004 model (HLP4663W). I have no such problem. To the contrary, my SD is much better than it was with D*. I was with D* for over 6 years. I would plead with you to check your cabling. With the quality of your AV gear, D* doesn't deserve your business.
By the way, are you connecting the 6416 to your Yamaha AV receiver by HDMI? If so, how is it working for you?

So Bill, just to be clear, you initially had some PQ issues with FiOS TV but discovered the problem to be in your cabling?

Up to this point I have not considered cabling to be a potential issue with the PQ of the digital channels (the analog, ch 1-50? are another issue).

My cabling is as follows:

From the ONT I have a single RG-6 COAX running about 50 ft to the splitter in my attic. The splitter is located where my D* multi-switch used to be. From the splitter, I am using the same COAX RG-6 cables I was using with D* to go to my 3 set top boxes. I know at least one of these runs has a break in it (barrel connector with two females connectors on either side).

No, I connect the Moto box directly to the new Sammy by HDMI. I rarely watch movies from satellite/cable so I don't need to fancy sound from the receiver.


Thanks,

Today I used an audio optical cable to connect the Moto set top box to my Yamaha receiver ( The Moto box is directly connected to the Samsung DLP by HDMI cable). Now, if I do want surround sound for movies, concerts, games, I can turn on the receiver for the sound. But if I just watch stuff that don't need surround sound, I just use the TV's speakers, without having to turn on the receiver every time I watch tv. It's the best of both world, for me at least. :)

I live in Tampa, FL and notice this same issue with some HD channels. Its kind of a grainy look, still looks like HD just not 100%, almost looks like some sort of noise. I am currently using HDMI and have also tried component, but I notice it using both. I am wondring if its also an outside wiring issue..splitter etc... Any thoughts??

Could also be the broadcast itself.

Today I used an audio optical cable to connect the Moto set top box to my Yamaha receiver ( The Moto box is directly connected to the Samsung DLP by HDMI cable). Now, if I do want surround sound for movies, concerts, games, I can turn on the receiver for the sound. But if I just watch stuff that don't need surround sound, I just use the TV's speakers, without having to turn on the receiver every time I watch tv. It's the best of both world, for me at least. :)

What happens if you listen to both at the same time? I get a echo effect because the audio on the reciever is delayed. Don't forget HD does 5.1 digital audio.

What happens if you listen to both at the same time? I get a echo effect because the audio on the reciever is delayed. Don't forget HD does 5.1 digital audio.

I would turn the TV's speakers' volume to the minimum so I would only hear the 5.1 digital audio from the Yamaha receiver. I watched a clip of Gary Allen on the HD MTV today and the sound was very nice with the 5.1 digital.

Just get an inexpensive universal remote with macros. I use the Harmony 676 and it automatically turns on the receiver and the TV (for example). I never use the TV speakers. Just doesn't sound as good.

So Bill, just to be clear, you initially had some PQ issues with FiOS TV but discovered the problem to be in your cabling?Ricky, the short answer is no. Read my post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8571268&&#post8571268) in its original context and see if it makes more sense.

Up to this point I have not considered cabling to be a potential issue with the PQ of the digital channels (the analog, ch 1-50? are another issue).I think it's worth your while to check it out. I wish I could tell you my specific layout. In September 2004, I had Fairfax Antenna run a new RG-6 line for D* to my townhouse basement when I moved my setup down there. I imagine Verizon used that to connect to a 6416. Verizon made new runs from the attic to two upstairs bedrooms, one for a 2500 and the other for another 6416. I don't know how they tied them all in. Not a minute's outage since January and no PQ issues whatsoever.

That's really strange that SD channels wouldn't work well with a select few HDTVs. Bimmerguy, what happens when you output 1080i fixed from the box? It seems to me that should solve the problem if your regular HD channels are looking good. At that point it's only the Motorola box that's upconverting and feeding your Sammy the same signal as it were a regular HD channel. The Sammy shouldn't know the difference since it only sees 1080i on all channels.....unless I'm missing something.

Ken,

I did this and it did help PQ. Originally, my setup was 1080i and 4:3 override to 480i. Now it is 1080i and 4:3 override off. This helps a lot when I watch sports on my local Fox Sports (65), ESPNU and the Fox Sports College Atlantic/Central/Pacific Channels. Previously those channels looked like a tape of a tape.

However, I did notice that some of the non-sports channels fared a little better with the 4:3 override set to 480i. So I leave it set to override and turn it off when I watch sports on the sports channels above (which is rare thus leaving the normal setting to override on).

Oh, I have a Sony rear-projection LCD.

I looked at my outside cabling and found one main splitter, It connects my cable line, phone line and Internet (Wireless modem) all to my FIOS box on the side of the house. The main cable line also splits in my attic where one line goes to my HD-DVR and the other goes to a back bedroom non-HD TV set. Could these splitters be causing a PQ problem? Is this a normal setup for FIOS? Thanks for the help

Any splits and cabling can cause image issues - especially if the connectors, cable itself and the splitter(s) are subpar. When FIOS is installed it relies mostly on existing infrastructure within the house - if that is bad the great FIOS signal can't get through to the end point - your TV.

Any way to have this re-cabled? with a direct line for HD? How is everyone elses hooked up?

Personally I rewired my house since the cabling was RG59. I installed a leviton structured wiring panel and ran quad shielded RG6 from all points back to the panel where it is only split once. Then new RG6 as well as two runs of cat5e out to the demarcation point on the house and had it all ready for FIOS install. Signal is clean as a whisle! Now all materials can be purchased at Home Depot and its not that expensive. Granted my house is single story and I had to roam around the attic quite a bit. If you have a two story that could be way more hassle but at least re work all connection and eliminate as many splitters as possible.

So I've read the whole thread and I'm not quite clear on the cc yet. Getting a cc for my HDTV for $4 instead of $10 for the non-DVR HD box seems a no brainer unless I don't get the same features. Do I get the same channels and same giude with the cc? Is there something I won't get?

So I've read the whole thread and I'm not quite clear on the cc yet. Getting a cc for my HDTV for $4 instead of $10 for the non-DVR HD box seems a no brainer unless I don't get the same features. Do I get the same channels and same giude with the cc? Is there something I won't get?
No guide, nor VOD.

I will run a new cable to see if it solve the problem. Thanks a bunch.

Bimmerguy288,

As I posted before, I have had SD pq issues with my 720P Sammy DLP and Fios. I changed from an HDMI cable to component cable from STB to TV, set the output of the Moto STB to 1080I (from 720P), turned the 4:3 override to off, and turned down my sharpness from 63% to 20% (all of this after hours of reading this forum and trial and error!). It significantly helped my SD pq. I still don't think it is quite as good as D* SD was, but was good enough for me to drop D* and keep Fios. Hope this helps.......

Bimmerguy288,

As I posted before, I have had SD pq issues with my 720P Sammy DLP and Fios. I changed from an HDMI cable to component cable from STB to TV, set the output of the Moto STB to 1080I (from 720P), turned the 4:3 override to off, and turned down my sharpness from 63% to 20% (all of this after hours of reading this forum and trial and error!). It significantly helped my SD pq. I still don't think it is quite as good as D* SD was, but was good enough for me to drop D* and keep Fios. Hope this helps.......

Zealot, thanks. I will try your setting later. As I mentioned before, VZ did not install a new signal splitter for my six tvs. They just used my existing hub. I did try using a new splitter to bypass the hub (still using the existing cable) to send the signal to one of my Samsungs, but the shadows were still there. I still haven't tried to run a new cable to see if it help solve the shadow/ghost problem on the non hd channels. My bad.

The non hd channels' shadow/ghost problem seems to be even more prevalent on the brand new Samsung 1080P DLP I got last week than the 3-year old Samsung 760p DLP. Maybe what's mentioned on Samsung's own webside (http://erms.samsungusa.com/customer/sea/jsp/faqs/faqs_view.jsp?PG_ID=3&AT_ID=14237&PROD_SUB_ID=41&PROD_ID=-1) is not without merit.

Please accept this post as an attempt to be helpful. It is not intended to be snobbish in the least. :) ...Maybe what's mentioned on Samsung's own webside (http://erms.samsungusa.com/customer/sea/jsp/faqs/faqs_view.jsp?PG_ID=3&AT_ID=14237&PROD_SUB_ID=41&PROD_ID=-1) is not without merit.Maybe not--at the time it was written. Check the date--almost 2 years ago. You have a cable system that is the latest and greatest and there is no way you shouldn't be getting everything out of yours that I am--barring some outside factor. I mentioned cabling earlier because that seems to be the one variable that hasn't been investigated. Note in that FAQ the reference to analog cable channels. Granted Verizon has an analog tier for channels 2-49, but it's all digital through your 6416. I'll say it again--SD is much, much better from FiOS than anything I got from D* from July 1999 to January of this year. Why would different people with similar equipment have such diametrically opposite results?
Here's Zealot's post from yesterday:As I posted before, I have had SD pq issues with my 720P Sammy DLP and Fios. I changed from an HDMI cable to component cable from STB to TV, set the output of the Moto STB to 1080I (from 720P), turned the 4:3 override to off, and turned down my sharpness from 63% to 20% (all of this after hours of reading this forum and trial and error!). It significantly helped my SD pq. I still don't think it is quite as good as D* SD was, but was good enough for me to drop D* and keep Fios.6416 Manual: http://www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/images/fiostv/qip%206xxx%20user%20guide%20521696-001-a.pdf. Refer to page 16 under Restore All Defaults. Using component instead of HDMI with FiOS and a DLP will yield less than optimal PQ. Plug in your HDMI cable and perform the Restore All Defaults. That will default you to 720P. You are right to have 4:3 override set to off. Zealot, do you have a solid cable run from your ONT to your STB?

Bimmer, I wanted to also comment from your earlier post as follows:...I used an audio optical cable to connect the Moto set top box to my Yamaha receiver ( The Moto box is directly connected to the Samsung DLP by HDMI cable). Now, if I do want surround sound for movies, concerts, games, I can turn on the receiver for the sound. But if I just watch stuff that don't need surround sound, I just use the TV's speakers, without having to turn on the receiver every time I watch tv.Since you have the Yamaha RX-V4600 with HDMI switching, I would connect an HDMI cable from the HDMI out of the Yamaha to one of the HDMI ins of your 5087. Then connect a second HDMI cable from the 6416 to one of the HDMI ins of your Yamaha. That would let you take full advantage of your equipment's capabilities. You shouldn't need a digital audio cable at all. Please let me know if you go this route as I will have some follow-up questions for you.

My last comment for today concerns this post from mjwedeking who was responding to your post:
What happens if you listen to both at the same time? I get a echo effect because the audio on the reciever is delayed.He is a California subscriber who has also had PQ issues with FiOS. I was concerned when I initially read his posts about this echo effect and tried it recently. I disabled the internal mute on my Samsung 4663 (2004 model) and compared the audio between my coaxial digital and HDMI. I had no echo effect whatsoever. It could not have been more in sync.

You have a cable system that is the latest and greatest and there is no way you shouldn't be getting everything out of yours that I am--barring some outside factor. I mentioned cabling earlier because that seems to be the one variable that hasn't been investigated. Note in that FAQ the reference to analog cable channels. Granted Verizon has an analog tier for channels 2-49, but it's all digital through your 6416. I'll say it again--SD is much, much better from FiOS than anything I got from D* from July 1999 to January of this year. Why would different people with similar equipment have such diametrically opposite results?


That's been my experience too Bill.

That's been my experience too Bill.


OK, some updates: two VZ techs just left my house. They were here to check the shadow/ghost problem on the non hd channels on my two Samgung DLPs.

They played around with the STB's settings, not really any diffirence.

They used VZ's signal splitter instead of my communication hub to distribute the signal, same thing. So it wasn't my hub's problem.

They checked the signal coming out from the wall jack, they are fine. So it's not cabling problem.

I told them one of their tech support guys told me last week that Moto's hd STDs have problem working with Samsung DLPS, they said they didn't have the experience. They said they have seen Moto STB's hdmi out having problem with some Sony XBRs. They said they would need to consult with someone to see what else could possiblly cause the ghosting and get back to me in the next few days.

In the meantime, I am going to hook up one of the Samsung DLPs with a non HD STB to see if the ghosting thingy will stick or not. Maybe there is a ghost in my house!! :confused:

Please accept this post as an attempt to be helpful. It is not intended to be snobbish in the least. :) Maybe not--at the time it was written. Check the date--almost 2 years ago. You have a cable system that is the latest and greatest and there is no way you shouldn't be getting everything out of yours that I am--barring some outside factor. I mentioned cabling earlier because that seems to be the one variable that hasn't been investigated. Note in that FAQ the reference to analog cable channels. Granted Verizon has an analog tier for channels 2-49, but it's all digital through your 6416. I'll say it again--SD is much, much better from FiOS than anything I got from D* from July 1999 to January of this year. Why would different people with similar equipment have such diametrically opposite results?
Here's Zealot's post from yesterday:6416 Manual: http://www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/images/fiostv/qip%206xxx%20user%20guide%20521696-001-a.pdf. Refer to page 16 under Restore All Defaults. Using component instead of HDMI with FiOS and a DLP will yield less than optimal PQ. Plug in your HDMI cable and perform the Restore All Defaults. That will default you to 720P. You are right to have 4:3 override set to off. Zealot, do you have a solid cable run from your ONT to your STB?

Bimmer, I wanted to also comment from your earlier post as follows:Since you have the Yamaha RX-V4600 with HDMI switching, I would connect an HDMI cable from the HDMI out of the Yamaha to one of the HDMI ins of your 5087. Then connect a second HDMI cable from the 6416 to one of the HDMI ins of your Yamaha. That would let you take full advantage of your equipment's capabilities. You shouldn't need a digital audio cable at all. Please let me know if you go this route as I will have some follow-up questions for you.

My last comment for today concerns this post from mjwedeking who was responding to your post:He is a California subscriber who has also had PQ issues with FiOS. I was concerned when I initially read his posts about this echo effect and tried it recently. I disabled the internal mute on my Samsung 4663 (2004 model) and compared the audio between my coaxial digital and HDMI. I had no echo effect whatsoever. It could not have been more in sync.


Bill, I do very much appreciate your trying to help. That's a lot of time you put in. Please see my last post for the ghost problem update.

In regard of the connections, I run the Sony dvd player to the Yamaha receiver by hdmi, then from the receiver to the Samsung by hdmi too. It works great.

I connect to Moto STB directly to the Samsung by hdmi, then I also run a audio optical cable from the Moto box to the Yamaha receiver, that way if I decide to use the Yamaha for tv sound, I can just mute the TV speaker. If I just watch news and stuff, I don't need to turn on the receiver. If I connect to Moto box to the Yamaha by hdmi, then connect the Yamaha to the Samsung by hdmi, won't I have to turn on the Yamaha everytime I watch TV?

Anyway, Bill, if you want me to experiment something, I will be glad to. Just let me know what you would like to find out.

Thanks again.

UPDATE: I called Verizon yesterday about my PQ issue. The tech on the phone had me update my Firmware on my Actiontech wireless router that my FIOS runs over. WOW what a differance in my HD PQ! I am for real, I have no Idea how it plays into my signal but it made a big difference. I no longer see the "grainy" HD picture. How is this possiable?

UPDATE: I called Verizon yesterday about my PQ issue. The tech on the phone had me update my Firmware on my Actiontech wireless router that my FIOS runs over. WOW what a differance in my HD PQ! I am for real, I have no Idea how it plays into my signal but it made a big difference. I no longer see the "grainy" HD picture. How is this possiable?


Jaybuc,

Did you or VZ update the Actiontech router's firmware? I hooked up a non hd STB to one of my Sammy DLPs and the ghosting problem was gone almost completely. After trying almost everything, I am inclined to say that it's something between the Moto hd box and the Sammy. Anyway, I will wait for the VZ tech guys to get back to me in the next few days.

The verizon tech went in and updated it for me, I could have done it myself but had him do it since he was the one troubleshooting the issue. I am still not clear on what my Actiontech has to do with my HD-DVR, whats the relationship?

Jay, that is surprising! I wouldn't think it would play any role in PQ...but we're in to uncharted waters with FIOS, so who knows? Hey, if it works keep smiling! Glad you're now seeing what most of us have been seeing! Enjoy.

Jaybuc,

Did you or VZ update the Actiontech router's firmware? I hooked up a non hd STB to one of my Sammy DLPs and the ghosting problem was gone almost completely. After trying almost everything, I am inclined to say that it's something between the Moto hd box and the Sammy. Anyway, I will wait for the VZ tech guys to get back to me in the next few days.

Bimmer, it sounds like this is worth a try in your case. It worked for Jay, so maybe it will work for you.

Bimmer, it sounds like this is worth a try in your case. It worked for Jay, so maybe it will work for you.

Ken:

I did the following today while I am waiting for the VZ tech guys to get back to me:

I hooked up a non HD set top box to one of the Samsung DLPs, the ghosting was gone almost completely.

I also used an S-cable to connect a HD box to the same Samsung, the ghosting was aslo gone too, but of couse, I can't watch HD with an S-cable. I tried both hdmi and component cables between the Samsung and the HD set top box, the ghosting came back on the non HD channels.

From yesterday's visit by the VZ guys, I know the ghosting is not caused by the cabling, nor the hub/splitter.

I will tell the VZ tech guys what I found out today when they call me back. BTW, the Samsung I tried today is a new HLS 5087 and the sharpness was set to zero.

Thanks,

Bimmerguy

The verizon tech went in and updated it for me, I could have done it myself but had him do it since he was the one troubleshooting the issue. I am still not clear on what my Actiontech has to do with my HD-DVR, whats the relationship?
All VOD content goes through the Actiontec router. The latest firmware (http://fioswatch.com/fios-firmware-updates/) improves VOD responsiveness.

Just as a reminder, the Actiontec's built-in firmware update feature does not work. You must download the firmware to your hard drive and choose the browse for firmware option on the Actiontec. Only update the firmware using a network cable, not wireless.

The router has nothing to do with PQ on the HDTV channels.

OK, some updates: two VZ techs just left my house. They were here to check the shadow/ghost problem on the non hd channels on my two Samgung DLPs.
Did you enable 480i passthrough on the HD STB/DVR? That gives you s-video type output for SD channels, while HD channels remain unaffected.

Turn off the FiOS STB/DVR and press menu. Try 480i and 480p for passthrough. Note this may introduce some added channel changing delay when switching between SD and HD channels, because your TV has to resync / change resolutions. Some TVs do this faster than others.

I'm, new to HD ... buying an HD RPTV (1080p) ... getting FIOS TV soon (neighborhood is being wired as I speak). Questiuon - what type of signal source comes from FIOS? Do they have plans now (or in the near future) to provide 1080p programming? Do I need HDMI from their house connection to the TV or just from their "box" to the TV? Will my existing RG6 cable be ok to the set-top box?

All VOD content goes through the Actiontec router. The latest firmware (http://fioswatch.com/fios-firmware-updates/) improves VOD responsiveness.

Just as a reminder, the Actiontec's built-in firmware update feature does not work. You must download the firmware to your hard drive and choose the browse for firmware option on the Actiontec. Only update the firmware using a network cable, not wireless.

The router has nothing to do with PQ on the HDTV channels.

Then why did my PQ get better once upgrading? I swear, I hated FIOS HD until I update my firmware, Trust me I know its only VOD, but what ever they did to my router fixed my PQ, you can't tell me other wise

Did you enable 480i passthrough on the HD STB/DVR? That gives you s-video type output for SD channels, while HD channels remain unaffected.

Turn off the FiOS STB/DVR and press menu. Try 480i and 480p for passthrough. Note this may introduce some added channel changing delay when switching between SD and HD channels, because your TV has to resync / change resolutions. Some TVs do this faster than others.

Last night I enabled the 480i passthrough (I used 1080i before) and the ghosting problem on the non HD channels was gone. But the non HD channels' colors are not as vibrant like before, and the pcitures look like there is a film on it. I guess the higher passthrough (760p or 1080i) gives me better color and picture depth but it also brings out the imperfections like ghosting.

With the 480i passthrough, the HD channels like Discovery HD show a black bar on the top and bottom of the screen. I could strech it vertically but then when I watch CNBC and bloomberg news, part of the rolling stock quotes at the bottom of the screen are missing. I guess nothing is perfect.

Thanks much for your input.

Bimmerguy

With the 480i passthrough, the HD channels like Discovery HD show a black bar on the top and bottom of the screen. I could strech it vertically but then when I watch CNBC and bloomberg news, part of the rolling stock quotes at the bottom of the screen are missing. I guess nothing is perfect.
Passthrough has no affect on the HD channels. What you were seeing on Discovery HD was 2.35:1 (Panavision) material, which does not fill the 16:9 screen.

I just want to clarify to make sure you changed the right setting. Press power to turn the STB/DVR off, then press menu. YPbPr output should be set to either 720p or 1080i depending on your HDTV, while 4:3 override should be set to ON @ 480i. [Some sets don't support 480i through HDMI, in which case you can choose 480p.]

The 4:3 override is the name the Motorola box gives to SD passthrough.

Then why did my PQ get better once upgrading? I swear, I hated FIOS HD until I update my firmware, Trust me I know its only VOD, but what ever they did to my router fixed my PQ, you can't tell me other wise
Perhaps the installer changed a setting on your Motorola STB? Such as turning on the 4:3 override setting I indicated above?

Passthrough has no affect on the HD channels. What you were seeing on Discovery HD was 2.35:1 (Panavision) material, which does not fill the 16:9 screen.

I just want to clarify to make sure you changed the right setting. Press power to turn the STB/DVR off, then press menu. YPbPr output should be set to either 720p or 1080i depending on your HDTV, while 4:3 override should be set to ON @ 480i. [Some sets don't support 480i through HDMI, in which case you can choose 480p.]

The 4:3 override is the name the Motorola box gives to SD passthrough.

bfd, sorry I misunderstood your post early. I thought you meant to set the YPbPr output to 480i. Sorry for being such a noob.

I just went back to set the YPbPr output to 1080i and the 4:3 override to 480i. This greatly improved the ghosting problem on the non HD channels, even though the picture is less vibrant and has that "film on it" look, it sure beats the ghosting.


Thanks again for everyone's help.

I am about ready to switch from Dish to Verizon FIOS TV and have a couple of questions. I have FIOS internet already.

What are the advantages of the multiroom DVR? I have never had a DVR and think the single room one should be enough. Back in the VHS day I did not watch 99% of what I recorded, but I think my wife may use it. I have two TVs -- both HD -- and plan to get one DVR and one HD STB.

I use a 1st generation Slingbox and would like to make sure it supports IR control of the DVR box. The Moto DCT6412 is supported. Should this be similar to the 6416?

One of the reasons I am leaving Dish is the fact that they would not upgrade my two 811 receivers at a reasonable price and I cannot get the newer HD MPEG-4 channels without the upgrade. Plus I am getting poor OTA reception of HD locals. Since there has been no announcement by Verizon about migrating to MPEG-4, I guess there is no reason to wait for that to happen. I hope a similar upgrade problem does not happen with Verizon.

Perhaps the installer changed a setting on your Motorola STB? Such as turning on the 4:3 override setting I indicated above?

Your right, he could have. All I know is it looks much better! I am very pleased now, with the PQ. The DVR controller is another issue :eek:

I'm, new to HD ... buying an HD RPTV (1080p) ... getting FIOS TV soon (neighborhood is being wired as I speak). Questiuon - what type of signal source comes from FIOS? Do they have plans now (or in the near future) to provide 1080p programming? Do I need HDMI from their house connection to the TV or just from their "box" to the TV? Will my existing RG6 cable be ok to the set-top box?

FiOS sends whatever HD the program providers provide-1080i or 720p depending on the ch.(for example HDnet & DiscHD are 1080i while ABC, FOX & ESPN are 720p). at any rate your display will upconvert everything to 1080p. native 1080p programming is yrs away IMO if it ever becomes common.
FiOS basically works like cable in that you need an HDMI cable from their Motorola box to your display. & your existing coax cable should work fine if it's in good condition.


Jim

What are the advantages of the multiroom DVR? I have never had a DVR and think the single room one should be enough. Back in the VHS day I did not watch 99% of what I recorded, but I think my wife may use it. I have two TVs -- both HD -- and plan to get one DVR and one HD STB.

Walt, if you are only using 2 TV's, both HD, I don't believe "multiroom" really applies for you. I believe the subsequent rooms only work with non HD programming and the 2500 SD boxes.

As far as you not using the DVR, I doubt it. Even if you don't watch taped shows, you'll use the Pause feature frequently.

And I think most people who own a DVR will tell you, once you get one, you'll never watch a TV show live again. Even if I'm dying to see a particular show, I wait 15 minutes in before starting to watch it so I can fast forward through commercials.

Have any of the Texas (no basement) FIOS people run the DC power wire thru the attic? My preferred ONT location and the power in the garage are separated by some distance. I read Verizon's FAQs and it just mentioned a 50 foot separation limit.

If you DO have an attic run did you do anything (pull string, etc) to facilitate the installation?

Bimmerguy, you are not alone. It is NOT your cabling, it is NOT your TV, it is the fios digital compression on the SD channels, or possibly the 6416 just sucks.

I have exact same artifact/ghost problems as posted earlier on this forum, continues to this day. It has been 2+ months now. I have learned to live it.

All I can think of is that either the signal quality at the local Verizon switching station is much better for some people, or their TV's have some kind of rocking noise reduction.

BTW - the SD on my 32" in the bedroom looks great... and the SD hooked up to my bigscreen (mits 65313) looks pretty good (however fuzzier), no artifacts like the 6416 SD does on 1080i output (via component cables).

I have just kind of adjusted to it by only watching HD channels if at all possible. I dvr SD Daily Show from Com Central, Battlestar from Scifi, and Meerkat Manor from Animal Planet... and none of them look good but I deal with it.

Bimmerguy, you are not alone. It is NOT your cabling, it is NOT your TV, it is the fios digital compression on the SD channels, or possibly the 6416 just sucks.

I have exact same artifact/ghost problems as posted earlier on this forum, continues to this day. It has been 2+ months now. I have learned to live it.

All I can think of is that either the signal quality at the local Verizon switching station is much better for some people, or their TV's have some kind of rocking noise reduction.

BTW - the SD on my 32" in the bedroom looks great... and the SD hooked up to my bigscreen (mits 65313) looks pretty good (however fuzzier), no artifacts like the 6416 SD does on 1080i output (via component cables).

I have just kind of adjusted to it by only watching HD channels if at all possible. I dvr SD Daily Show from Com Central, Battlestar from Scifi, and Meerkat Manor from Animal Planet... and none of them look good but I deal with it.

Burt,

Today I did what another fourm member suggested: set the Moto STB YPbPr output to 1080i and the 4:3 override to 480i for my new Samsung HLS 5087,
set the YPbPr output to 1080i and the 4:3 override to 480p for my older Samsung DLP (480i was bad with that one). This greatly improved the ghosting problem on the non HD channels on those TVs, even though the picture is less vibrant and has that "film on it" look, it sure beats the annoying ghosting.

Today, I would say that the Fios HD channels on my two DLP TVs are slightly better than those from D*, and the Fios non HD channels on the Sammies are about the same as (but not better) those from D*. The non HD channels on my three non HD LCD tvs are better (sharper, better depth) than those from D*.

I know everyone would have different experience. Did Fios blow me away? No. But I can live with it. Overall it's better, however slightly than D*, and without the problem with rain/snow.

Now I would be happier if VZ buries the temp cable which runs cross my neibor's driveway and paved walk path in the development. A few kids tripped over already. I called VZ five times. It has been there since Sept 13!!

I am going to chime in here as well on the Motorola settings. Yesterday I added an additional HD box (6200) to my service to drive my new Panasonic PT-AX100U. The projector is a native 720p unit but I settled on having the Moto box output 1080i and then using 480i for the SD material. 720p from the Moto box looked worse even though the projector is a 720p unit. Before this I was only using 1080i to my Mits 65869 65" RPTV and everything looked great.

Other than that I can say that the HD channels look awesome on a 110" diag. screen :)

Laters,
Jeff

UPDATE: I called Verizon yesterday about my PQ issue. The tech on the phone had me update my Firmware on my Actiontech wireless router that my FIOS runs over. WOW what a differance in my HD PQ! I am for real, I have no Idea how it plays into my signal but it made a big difference. I no longer see the "grainy" HD picture. How is this possiable?
VERY interesting. I have to assume your coax connects to the ActionTec, and you have no separate NIM (which looks like a cable modem)? Our installer used both... he replaced the original D-Link with an ActionTec (much to my dismay... the ActionTec locks up regularly) and installed a NIM. No coax connection to the router.. just the NIM. He cited problems with the ActionTec NIM function but expected they would be corrected with a future upgrade. I'm fine with the separate NIM, it keeps my gadget count up! :)

Bimmerguy, you are not alone. It is NOT your cabling, it is NOT your TV, it is the fios digital compression on the SD channels, or possibly the 6416 just sucks.

I have exact same artifact/ghost problems as posted earlier on this forum, continues to this day. It has been 2+ months now. I have learned to live it....

I disagree. We still have FiOS, DirecTV and Comcast (but not for long)... the analog on FiOS beats any analog we've ever seen, including our previous cable company, which was slightly better than Comcast. And FiOS quality is consistent across all analog channels... unlike the cable companies, which vary greatly in PQ, signal level and audio volume between channels.
So I wonder if you (burticus and Bimmerguy) also have only the ActionTec, or do you have a separate NIM? Wondering if the ghosting is the ActionTec issue that our installer was mentioning.

From reading these posts ... it sounds like FIOS (Verizon) has some development issues. Should it really be that difficult to set-up a new HDTV on their network? With the cable companies you can just plug it in and in a few minutes have everything working. No need to tweak this and that to eliminate ghosting ... fuzziness ... etc.

Can we expect improvements from Verizon "down the line"? From what I was led to believe, this new fiber optic technology will be an improvement over covential cable and satellite.

BTW ... what is a "NIM"?

I just had FIOS TV installed yesterday. Overall, I'd say installation went well. My particular configuration includes 3 receivers: the standard set top box, the multi-room DVR, and the HD receiver. I naively assumed that I would be able to view recordings from the HD receiver as well, but I was wrong (I should have read the disclaimers more closely).

I'm not much of a tech guy, so I don't know what the complexities are with streaming the video to the HD receiver. Does anyone know what the limitations are and if it's something that may be available in the future? It just seems silly if you can only stream to the standard set top box.

Thanks.

From reading these posts ... it sounds like FIOS (Verizon) has some development issues. Should it really be that difficult to set-up a new HDTV on their network? With the cable companies you can just plug it in and in a few minutes have everything working. No need to tweak this and that to eliminate ghosting ... fuzziness ... etc.Setup is just like any other cable provider for the TV channels, but a bit different for the VOD/PPV, because that content is delivered via IP.

Can we expect improvements from Verizon "down the line"? From what I was led to believe, this new fiber optic technology will be an improvement over covential cable and satellite.It already is a significant improvement over traditional cable and satellite, in terms of the quality of the channels. If by improvements, you mean more channels and more choices, then yes, that's certainly coming to FiOS.

BTW ... what is a "NIM"?Network Interface Module. It's the interface between the Verizon set-top boxes and the FiOS broadband (fiber) connection, which the set-top boxes use to retrieve video-on-demand and pay-per-view.

I'm not much of a tech guy, so I don't know what the complexities are with streaming the video to the HD receiver. Does anyone know what the limitations are and if it's something that may be available in the future? It just seems silly if you can only stream to the standard set top box.This capability is one they are working on. The MRDVR client software with HD streaming is tentatively scheduled for deployment to the Motorola HD boxes in 2Q 2007.

More information @ FiOSWatch (http://fioswatch.com).

Since there has been no announcement by Verizon about migrating to MPEG-4, I guess there is no reason to wait for that to happen. I hope a similar upgrade problem does not happen with Verizon.
That's the beauty of leasing in an era of ever changing technologies - if VZ changes something they'll give you a different receiver while you pay the same lease rates.

Have any of the Texas (no basement) FIOS people run the DC power wire thru the attic? My preferred ONT location and the power in the garage are separated by some distance. I read Verizon's FAQs and it just mentioned a 50 foot separation limit.

If you DO have an attic run did you do anything (pull string, etc) to facilitate the installation?
You are gonna want to have the power supply in an easily accessible location - an attic is probably not a good place for it. The best would be to put the ONT and power supply next to each other. The 50ft limit is due to the gauge wire they use between the ONT and power supply - that distance could be extended using a heavier gauge wire - unlikely the VZ techs would comply (they probably only carry one kind of wire).

You are gonna want to have the power supply in an easily accessible location - an attic is probably not a good place for it. The best would be to put the ONT and power supply next to each other. The 50ft limit is due to the gauge wire they use between the ONT and power supply - that distance could be extended using a heavier gauge wire - unlikely the VZ techs would comply (they probably only carry one kind of wire).

I was really asking about the cable run itself. I would expect the battery backup to be in the garage but the cable run to the ONT to be in the attic. Yesterday I fished a pull string from the expected ONT location to my garage. Hopefully there wont be any issue with getting the DC power wire through.

I disagree. We still have FiOS, DirecTV and Comcast (but not for long)... the analog on FiOS beats any analog we've ever seen, including our previous cable company, which was slightly better than Comcast. And FiOS quality is consistent across all analog channels... unlike the cable companies, which vary greatly in PQ, signal level and audio volume between channels.
So I wonder if you (burticus and Bimmerguy) also have only the ActionTec, or do you have a separate NIM? Wondering if the ghosting is the ActionTec issue that our installer was mentioning.

I only have the Actiontech. The SD channels are ok now without the ghosting.

That's the beauty of leasing in an era of ever changing technologies - if VZ changes something they'll give you a different receiver while you pay the same lease rates.

That may be the beauty of leasing from Verizon, but not Dish. With them you have to pay a fairly large upgrade fee and they limited the upgrade to one HD box initially. The old boxes still work but I cannot get the new HD MPEG-4 channels -- ESPN2, Food, HGTV, HD OTA, etc.

I have a FIOS TV installation scheduled for today.

I have a FIOS TV installation scheduled for today.

WaltW - Please post your opinions of Fios vs. Dish after you have a chance to evaluate it. I currently have Dish and have become less and less pleased with them. Looking forward to Fios - CA law will allow them to start providing TV feeds without need to negotiate local contracts starting in Jan '07.

I use a 1st generation Slingbox and would like to make sure it supports IR control of the DVR box. The Moto DCT6412 is supported. Should this be similar to the 6416?



Im not sure if you found you answer yet, but yes it will work. I had a pair of dct6412s from adelphia, and my harmony remotes didnt flinch when i swapped the boxes to the verizon 6416s

I am scheduling FIOS TV for next month when it is available. I like using Twin View (Sony's PIP on the XBR2 TVs) and am concerned that the FIOS rep told me that I cannot hook the RG6 directly to the TV for my second signal source. They told me I needed two STBs to watch two shows at once.

She said that without a STB the TV will only get the local OTA channels. Currently I get 2 - 78 without a STB with Time Warner.

Has anyone tried to hook the cable direclty up to their TV to see how many channels you can get?

Thanks!

Im not sure if you found you answer yet, but yes it will work. I had a pair of dct6412s from adelphia, and my harmony remotes didnt flinch when i swapped the boxes to the verizon 6416s
Are you saying the 6412 codes work for the 6416?

Has anyone tried to hook the cable direclty up to their TV to see how many channels you can get?Yes.

Verizon carries analog versions of it's 'Local' package ... ie, channels 2-49. So, you'll get these channels with an NTSC tuner (ie, coax going directly to the TV). Basically, that's the standard local channels and PEGs (public, educational, government) channels. Although ... there's a few others in there (like a localized product from the Weather Channel, etc).

Verizon also carries its 'HD Broadcast' (ie, channels 801-809) and 'Local Plus' (ie, channels 850-899) as unencrypted QAM. This is the HD locals and any other OTA digital channels (including multicasted channels). You'll get these channels with a QAM tuner ... some TV's will get them with the coax going directly to the TV ... some won't. Check your TV's specs.

What you won't get is all the 'Extended' cable channels ... CNN, MTV, Discovery, ESPN, etc. that most cable compaines carry analog versions of (and most cable-ready sets get on those cable plants) ... unless you have a TV that supports CableCard and get a CableCard from Verizon. With a CableCard, a TV can get the full range of channels (that you subscribe to) by running coax straight to it.

Thanks!

I will have an HDDVR already, but didn't want to have to pay for a second STB just to watch PIP (Twin View). The specs for the TV say:

Tuner: 8 VSB, ATSC, NTSC, Clear QAM, CableCARD™ QAM

So I should be good to go. I don't think Verizon has CableCARD for FIOS TV.

I don't think Verizon has CableCARD for FIOS TV.They do. Verizon has CableCards available for FiOS TV.

Are you saying the 6412 codes work for the 6416?
For the most part, yes. There are a few differences... the Comcast ON DEMAND button doesn't bring up Verizon's On Demand screen, and Tuner Swap isn't implemented.

Thanks!

I will have an HDDVR already, but didn't want to have to pay for a second STB just to watch PIP (Twin View). The specs for the TV say:

Tuner: 8 VSB, ATSC, NTSC, Clear QAM, CableCARD™ QAM

Can the XBR2 display two digital sources simultaneously? The XBR1 only allows me to show NTSC or Video 1 (S-video) on the 2nd image.
If not, I suppose you could watch the QAM/cablecard source on one image, and (ugh) s-video out from the DVR in the other window.

Can the XBR2 display two digital sources simultaneously? The XBR1 only allows me to show NTSC or Video 1 (S-video) on the 2nd image.
If not, I suppose you could watch the QAM/cablecard source on one image, and (ugh) s-video out from the DVR in the other window.
No you can't, but you can have digital on one side and an analog signal on the other.

Are you saying the 6412 codes work for the 6416?

Yes. I did not reprogram my Harmony remotes at all when i changed to the 6416, but as was said the on demand doesnt work. But since there is no HD On Demand i never use it so i didnt bother to add it.

The 30 second skip from the 6412 even works.

Yes. I did not reprogram my Harmony remotes at all when i changed to the 6416, but as was said the on demand doesnt work. But since there is no HD On Demand i never use it so i didnt bother to add it.

The 30 second skip from the 6412 even works.
Interesting. I use a Home Theater Master MX700, and the pre-program codes for the 6412 do not work for me.

Interesting. I use a Home Theater Master MX700, and the pre-program codes for the 6412 do not work for me.I, too, have the MX700 and the codes work for me. When I first got the service installed in January, I used the 6412 codes but discarded the 30-second skip since it wasn't enabled. In Verizon's first firmware upgrade, I noted some posters saying it was now working, so I retrieved the codes again and it was there. PM me if you need any specific information.

I, too, have the MX700 and the codes work for me. When I first got the service installed in January, I used the 6412 codes but discarded the 30-second skip since it wasn't enabled. In Verizon's first firmware upgrade, I noted some posters saying it was now working, so I retrieved the codes again and it was there. PM me if you need any specific information.
Very strange.

I will try again. Last night I "taught" the MX700 the codes from the 6416 remote...works fine.

I used the codes from the cable/Motorola/6412 in the MX Editor.

I had a FIOS TV installation last weekend, getting two HD boxes -- one a DVR and the other standard. I am using my 23" Dell HDTV -- which was my secondary TV at home -- at a beach house I recently bought. As a replacement I tried hooking the standard HD box to a digital widescreen computer monitor using a Verizon-supplied cable with a HDMI plug on the box side and a DVI connection on the monitor side. I could not get a continuous picture although a brief picture flashed occasionally. One time a blue HDCP warning screen came up.

Could this be because the monitor does not have HDCP? Do all the channels coming out of the box from the HDMI connection have HDCP? The monitor only supports DVI and D-Sub VGA and the Motorola box does not have a D-Sub connection.

In the meantime I am watching on a widescreen laptop using a Slingbox connected to the Motorola box via S_Video.

I had a FIOS TV installation last weekend, getting two HD boxes -- one a DVR and the other standard. I am using my 23" Dell HDTV -- which was my secondary TV at home -- at a beach house I recently bought. As a replacement I tried hooking the standard HD box to a digital widescreen computer monitor using a Verizon-supplied cable with a HDMI plug on the box side and a DVI connection on the monitor side. I could not get a continuous picture although a brief picture flashed occasionally. One time a blue HDCP warning screen came up.

Could this be because the monitor does not have HDCP? Do all the channels coming out of the box from the HDMI connection have HDCP? The monitor only supports DVI and D-Sub VGA and the Motorola box does not have a D-Sub connection.

In the meantime I am watching on a widescreen laptop using a Slingbox connected to the Motorola box via S_Video.
I would not say that HDCP is the issue... we have two DVRs connected to DVI-only TVs (LG Plasma and Toshiba 32") using HDMI-DVI cables. Maybe something to do with sync rate?

I would not say that HDCP is the issue... we have two DVRs connected to DVI-only TVs (LG Plasma and Toshiba 32") using HDMI-DVI cables. Maybe something to do with sync rate?

I talked to two Verizon people. The first one said that he did not think HDCP was used. He said he had done several installations and never had a problem. I asked if any of those involved a computer monitor and he said no.

The second one said HDCP was required (by either the Digital Millenium Copyright or Patriot Act?) on HDMI connections. So I think my computer monitor is blocking the signal. Plus I have able to set the sync so that a blue and white HDCP warning screen stays displayed for about a minute.

Didn't have this issue with my Dish 811 and DVI.

For the most part, yes. There are a few differences... the Comcast ON DEMAND button doesn't bring up Verizon's On Demand screen, and Tuner Swap isn't implemented.

You can program the on Demand button for the 6416. Just use the code 208.

JT

I am getting this error now from my DVR when switching to my HDMI. Message comes up on the screen Not Supported Mode. It works about 50% of the time.Whats this all about? I called Verizon and they said they would have to charge me to fix the issue, are you kidding me! They have the problem with there crappy equipment and they want me to pay for it.

MY FAULT!!! With my DLP the 4:3 Override has to be set to 420p not 420i, So when I switched to SD channels in the 4:3 420i mode it would come up Not Supported Mode, So you have to have it set to 420p over HDMI, Problem Fixed. I love fixing my own issues :D

MY FAULT!!! With my DLP the 4:3 Override has to be set to 420p not 420i, So when I switched to SD channels in the 4:3 420i mode it would come up Not Supported Mode, So you have to have it set to 420p over HDMI, Problem Fixed. I love fixing my own issues :DFor the benefit of new FiOS subscribers who may read through this thread, this has never been an issue for me with my DLP. Once you connect the 6200/64xx and your TV via HDMI, they exchange information to "automatically determine the best possible TV TYPE and HDMI/YPbPr OUTPUT settings," a subcategory of which is the 4:3 Override. The only reason for adjusting 4:3 Override after that would be to watch 4:3 programming in distorted/stretched mode. My quote was taken from page 16 of the manual.

Link to QIP6200/64xx Manual: http://www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/images/fiostv/qip%206xxx%20user%20guide%20521696-001-a.pdf.

For any new Verizon FIOS TV users. If you get a remote with 5 buttons across the top, it is not the remote described in the instructions. I got two of the same remotes for use with my two HD boxes -- one a DVR. The device codes do not apply nor do the programming sequences. If the remote you get does not look like the one in the instructions, do not waste your time reading the instructions and trying to follow the steps described. A call to Verizon allowed me to get instructions for setting the remote to control my TV. They also gave me a link to the Scientific Atlanta web site for additional features.

Is anyone getting the newer 4-button model that is supposed to be released in the future? Verizon should include instructions for the remote they supply.

For any new Verizon FIOS TV users. If you get a remote with 5 buttons across the top, it is not the remote described in the instructions. I got two of the same remotes for use with my two HD boxes -- one a DVR. The device codes do not apply nor do the programming sequences. If the remote you get does not look like the one in the instructions, do not waste your time reading the instructions and trying to follow the steps described. A call to Verizon allowed me to get instructions for setting the remote to control my TV. They also gave me a link to the Scientific Atlanta web site for additional features.

Is anyone getting the newer 4-button model that is supposed to be released in the future? Verizon should include instructions for the remote they supply.
I just got FIOS a couple of weeks ago and asked the installer about the "new" remote. He said it's still a couple of months away for us down here in TX. I'm not really concerned about it since I've got my Harmony remote doing all the tasks for me.

For any new Verizon FIOS TV users. If you get a remote with 5 buttons across the top, it is not the remote described in the instructions. I got two of the same remotes for use with my two HD boxes -- one a DVR. The device codes do not apply nor do the programming sequences. If the remote you get does not look like the one in the instructions, do not waste your time reading the instructions and trying to follow the steps described. A call to Verizon allowed me to get instructions for setting the remote to control my TV. They also gave me a link to the Scientific Atlanta web site for additional features.

Is anyone getting the newer 4-button model that is supposed to be released in the future? Verizon should include instructions for the remote they supply.Verizon only recently started deploying the Scientific Atlanta AT8550 (http://www.scientificatlanta.com/ExplorerClubGuides/getting_started/734357.pdf) (five device) remote. Previously (and, as far as I can tell, from the start of their TV roll-out) Verizon was deploying the Motorola DRC800 (http://www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/images/fiostv/drc800_user_guide.pdf) (four device) remote.

Manuals:
Scientific Atlanta AT8550 (http://www.scientificatlanta.com/ExplorerClubGuides/getting_started/734357.pdf)
Motorola DRC800 (http://www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome/images/fiostv/drc800_user_guide.pdf)

As noted above ... which remote you get will depend on location ... when they reorder remotes ... etc. And, there's a ton of companies making remotes that are compatible with the boxes Verizon uses (and MVPDs are always looking for something better / cheaper / newer / cooler / whatever) so ... other new ones could always be on the way.

IMO the new Scientific Atlanta remote is better (especially for DVR users). It's got a couple extra usefull features (like channel-lock and all on/off) and the DVR function buttons are better layed out. Perhaps for simple / basic channel surfing the (smaller, lighter) Motorola remote would be better ... but ... (again IMO) for the most part the Scientific Atlanta remote is a big improvement.

Note to Verizon: That isn't to say the Scientific Atlanta remote is perfect ... there's always something better.

Hi, im a Fios installer. Motorola is having problems supplying us with are specific remotes right now. If you get a Moto box and Scientific remote, call every few weeks to see if the Moto remote is available now. We will come out and swap them for the right one. Sorry!

Hi, im a Fios installer. Motorola is having problems supplying us with are specific remotes right now. If you get a Moto box and Scientific remote, call every few weeks to see if the Moto remote is available now. We will come out and swap them for the right one. Sorry!


So, is the moto or SA remote preferable here??

So, is the moto or SA remote preferable here??
That SA looks kind of nice... the colored buttons adds a bit to it, especially the red Record button. But unless it's programmable (for 30 second skip)... I prefer the silver Comcast remote.

Hi, im a Fios installer. Motorola is having problems supplying us with are specific remotes right now. If you get a Moto box and Scientific remote, call every few weeks to see if the Moto remote is available now. We will come out and swap them for the right one. Sorry!

You will just have to wait for 4 hours for a tech to come out and swap out the remote!

Hi, I noticed some members in this forum talking about how they have fios tv in Annandale VA. Could you tell me where your located, I have been waiting for this service for so long and cant seam to get an answer out of verizon for when they are going to have this service in my area. I'm in Camelot, right down the street from the 7-11 next to INOVA blood bank on woodburn and gallows. Billodom, where are you located. Any info would be great!

Hi, im a Fios installer. Motorola is having problems supplying us with are specific remotes right now. If you get a Moto box and Scientific remote, call every few weeks to see if the Moto remote is available now. We will come out and swap them for the right one. Sorry!
So, just what does the new remote do that the SA doesn't do? Does it have a "skip ahead" key? That's about the only thing I'd want, but since I've got my Harmony remote trained, I don't think the new remote would do much for me.

Hi, I noticed some members in this forum talking about how they have fios tv in Annandale VA. Could you tell me where your located, I have been waiting for this service for so long and cant seam to get an answer out of verizon for when they are going to have this service in my area. I'm in Camelot, right down the street from the 7-11 next to INOVA blood bank on woodburn and gallows. Billodom, where are you located. Any info would be great!

I am near Mason District Park and Lake Barcroft. I kept calling Verizon to inquire if FIOS was available for my house and was told that it was not. Then several neighbors on my street said they had it installed. I eventually found out that the houses on both sides of me could get FIOS but not me. Turned out that Verizon had as my service address my old work location from at least nine years ago that is four miles from my house in an industrial park. It took them three days to research and correct that problem. Since then there have been no obstacles for installation -- for the most part.

I am near Mason District Park and Lake Barcroft. I kept calling Verizon to inquire if FIOS was available for my house and was told that it was not. Then several neighbors on my street said they had it installed. I eventually found out that the houses on both sides of me could get FIOS but not me. Turned out that Verizon had as my service address my old work location from at least nine years ago that is four miles from my house in an industrial park. It took them three days to research and correct that problem. Since then there have been no obstacles for installation -- for the most part.

Thanks for the info. I keep calling and bugging them and they say they have no idea when it will be available in my neighborhood, which is really frustrating. I know they have to have a plan on what area's will have fiber optics buried, but no one seems to have this information. Do you remember when they came through and buried the cable over by you. I thought they did this years ago, but that might have been some other company.

Verizon told me 1-3 months from cable laying. I saw 6+ months somewhere, I sure hope not.

Thanks for the info. I keep calling and bugging them and they say they have no idea when it will be available in my neighborhood, which is really frustrating. I know they have to have a plan on what area's will have fiber optics buried, but no one seems to have this information. Do you remember when they came through and buried the cable over by you. I thought they did this years ago, but that might have been some other company.

Mine is not buried. We still have phone poles and they run the fiber cables from that. I do not know when they ran the cable.

Mine is not buried. We still have phone poles and they run the fiber cables from that. I do not know when they ran the cable.

Maybe that why its not in my neghborhood yet, we dont have phone poles here. Probably last on the list because it involves so much work.

I'm getting the FIOS video service (with multi-room DVR) installed soon and had a few questions:

1) Does the HD DVR (6416) allow ONE or TWO shows to be recorded while watching a third show live? (I've seen varying answers on this so not sure).

2) With multi-room DVR, does the remote STB (standard box) have the ability to pause, rew, ff, etc. live shows or just the recorded events from the DVR?

3) Do either the 6416 (DVR) or 2500 (standard STB) have an RF coax output which can be fed into RF coax input of another tv for viewing same channels on two TVs?

I currently have several DVR Dish receivers and wanted to have similar functionality with the multi-room DVR solution from Verizon.

I'm getting the FIOS video service (with multi-room DVR) installed soon and had a few questions:

1) Does the HD DVR (6416) allow ONE or TWO shows to be recorded while watching a third show live? (I've seen varying answers on this so not sure).

2) With multi-room DVR, does the remote STB (standard box) have the ability to pause, rew, ff, etc. live shows or just the recorded events from the DVR?

3) Do either the 6416 (DVR) or 2500 (standard STB) have an RF coax output which can be fed into RF coax input of another tv for viewing same channels on two TVs?

I currently have several DVR Dish receivers and wanted to have similar functionality with the multi-room DVR solution from Verizon.
I switched to Verizon FiOS from Dish (I had a 942)

1) There are two tuners in the 6416. So you can watch one show live while one is recording.....or watch a recorded show while two shows are recording.

2) The remote STB can only pause, rew, ff, etc. recorded shows...and VOD.

3) I just looked at the 2500 and there is a coax out, but I am unsure of its functionality since I am using the RCA and S-Video jacks on it.

I will add that the picture quality is better than Dish....HD and SD.

I switched to Verizon FiOS from Dish (I had a 942)

3) I just looked at the 2500 and there is a coax out, but I am unsure of its functionality since I am using the RCA and S-Video jacks on it.

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I'm pretty sure that's a loop thru connection - so, yes, it could be connected to another TV (or several), but the only thing you'll get on that TV are the analogs below ch 50.

3) Do either the 6416 (DVR) or 2500 (standard STB) have an RF coax output which can be fed into RF coax input of another tv for viewing same channels on two TVs?

I have both the QIP6416-1 (DVR) and QIP6200 (HD STB). The QIP-6416-1 does not have coax output but the QIP6200 does. I use the RF out on the QIP6200 to connect to a standard def TV in a different room. I am able to see all channels (even down-rez Hi Def channels with black bars on top and bottom) on the standard def TV.

Here's the URL to the page with user's manual:

FIOS TV Support Page (http://www22.verizon.com/content/fiostv/customer+support/customer+support.htm)

Note: The manual for QIP6416/6200 seems to suggest that the QIP64XX has the RF output. The model I got does not have it.

Nope the coax out on the 2500 works just like any other device. Hook it up to a TV tuned to channel 3 or 4 and you will get all the channels (digital, analog, music, and even sound only on the HD channels)

Laters,
Jeff

I'm pretty sure that's a loop thru connection - so, yes, it could be connected to another TV (or several), but the only thing you'll get on that TV are the analogs below ch 50.

With the Multi-room DVR functionality (QIP-6416), can the HD STB (QIP6200) be used to watch / stream recorded shows from DVR? I understand the standard STB (2500) is able to, but wasn't sure about 6200.

Has any one been able to connect an old Tivo II and have it work with FiOS?

Was it able to record and get the guide data? and change the channel on the STB at the proper time and when watching live TV?

The remote STB can only pause, rew, ff, etc. recorded shows...and VOD.

As a workaround, you could probably start recording the show on the DVR, and almost immediately start watching it on the remote.

With the Multi-room DVR functionality (QIP-6416), can the HD STB (QIP6200) be used to watch / stream recorded shows from DVR? I understand the standard STB (2500) is able to, but wasn't sure about 6200.

Here's a response posted by bfdtv several weeks ago...

"This capability is one they are working on. The MRDVR client software with HD streaming is tentatively scheduled for deployment to the Motorola HD boxes in 2Q 2007.

More information @ FiOSWatch. "

If you use a cable card can you get program menus?

Also has anyone noticed the Verizon movie ratings? I have HD boxes. Almost every movie has two stars (or no stars). I finally saw one yesterday with 1.5 stars. "Casablanca" given two stars? Where do they get these rating?

No program guide with cable card.

If you use a cable card can you get program menus?

Also has anyone noticed the Verizon movie ratings? I have HD boxes. Almost every movie has two stars (or no stars). I finally saw one yesterday with 1.5 stars. "Casablanca" given two stars? Where do they get these rating?

You can get the program guide if you spring for the Tivo S3 with 2 CCs.

Has any one been able to connect an old Tivo II and have it work with FiOS?

Was it able to record and get the guide data? and change the channel on the STB at the proper time and when watching live TV?

Anyone? I am thinking of switching but need this to work as well.

Anyone? I am thinking of switching but need this to work as well.
We have friends who are successfully using FiOS with the TiVo series II, but it involves using a FiOS STB connected to the TiVo via S-Video, and commanded via the TiVo's IR repeater. This should work as well as any other similar setup.

Thats what I figured..I got worried when I saw the inquiries. Thanks!

Figured I'd offer up my experiences, and also see if anyone can answer my question.

Just this past Saturday, the Verizion FIOS installer FINALLY showed up. First, they showed up on the date I specifically told them NOT to show up because I'd be out of town. Then they conveniently didn't show up for the next 3 dates I had scheduled. I know those reading this are probably saying, "You are nuts for sticking with them," but I had already terminated my Dish Network service and sent the 811 back to Dish. I sure wasn't going to get reamed by Cox and their absurd rates, and I don't care for DirecTV.

So he hooks everything up (I got the HD-DVR receiver). It looks okay. Honestly I don't see a difference really in PQ compared to Dish but I haven't REALLY sat down to analyze it. However, I realized now that he hooked up the receiver via my HDMI input -- my TV (Sony KDF42WE655) only has one HDMI input, and I use it for my Toshiba upconverting DVD player.

Well, I can certainly hook up the Toshiba via component, but then I lose the upconversion capabilities, correct? So I'm thinking I'll grab some extra component cables I have laying around and use that to connect the FIOS HD-DVR to the TV. Would this be detrimental to the picture quality? Also would it have any effect on the sound since I'd have to switch to a different medium to send the audio?

hi suture

AFAIK the Motorola box upconverts over component-no problem there. when you switch to component you may want to go in the Moto box menu to check on output res. i'd try setting it @ 720p then trying 4:3 OVERRIDE at 480i & see which setting looks better to you(for SD chs.).
and to access the box menu: TV ON-Moto box OFF-press MENU on Moto remote.
as for audio i'm not sure about the ?. is the Moto box connected to an A/V receiver?


Jim

Anyone in the Central NJ area get FIOS installed yet? I am in Dayton. I am just wondering how long it will be before its available in my area.

Thanks, Jim -- I posted from work and just got home, so I'll try that and then post the results. As for the audio -- my receiver is currently disconnected. The installer got really confused when he saw the back of my system (not sure why) so I just jumped in front of him and yanked everything.

So I'm thinking I'll grab some extra component cables I have laying around and use that to connect the FIOS HD-DVR to the TV. Would this be detrimental to the picture quality? Also would it have any effect on the sound since I'd have to switch to a different medium to send the audio?
There's a slight PQ difference but not huge. We have both connected but watch mostly via component... for the convenience of a component switch supporting a D* receiver, FiOS DVR, LG DVR and a DVD recorder.
If you have a receiver, you'll get the best sound via digital coax or fiber (optical audio:)) from the DVR to the receiver anyway.
(Did I read somewhere that HDMI audio doesn't provide 5.1? Can that be true?? What a huge step backward that would be!)

I've got a 4yr old Sony KV-34XBR800 w/ a DVI port that I've tried to connect to my new MOTO QIP 6416-2(FIOS HDDVR). When I connect the HDMI to DVI, the STB either locks up, fails to initialize or reboots itself. The behavior is similar to something I've noticed in WIKI that the MOTO DCT 6412's had issues with the HDMI port. Is anyone aware of a fix for this other than using the component video? I can't get a knowledgeable answer from Verizon. When the HDMI-DVI connection works, the PQ is noticably better than the component connection. I really don't want to replace the Sony yet as the PQ is great and it weighs over 300 lbs....

I've got a 4yr old Sony KV-34XBR800 w/ a DVI port that I've tried to connect to my new MOTO QIP 6416-2(FIOS HDDVR). When I connect the HDMI to DVI, the STB either locks up, fails to initialize or reboots itself.I've had a QIP 6416-2 from Verizon (Northern Virginia) connected to a Sony KV-34XBR800 via an HDMI->DVI cable for about two months ... working fine ... no problems so far.

Did you check your 'Additional HDMI Settings'? Mine are set to:
HDMI/DVI Mode: DVI
Color SPace: RGB
Audio Output: Auto

If you can't get it resolved ... I'd try to get a new box from Verizon. Like I said, mine works great with the same TV.

I've actually gone thru 3 different boxes, with the same issues. I can't even get to the User Settings screen when the HDMI is connected. I don't want to think that the DVI port on the Sony is bad, but it's starting to look that way. But that wouldn't explain why the HDMI->DVI works sometimes. BTW, do you know what your GIOS version is? How long did it take for your STB to initialize with the HDMI port? Thanks.

Big question; When will FIOS come to PHILADELPHIA and the surrounding area?

I've actually gone thru 3 different boxes, with the same issues.Ugh.BTW, do you know what your GIOS version is? How long did it take for your STB to initialize with the HDMI port? Thanks.I'll check out the firmware versions when I get home.

The STB/TV HDMI initialization was pretty much immediate. BTW, a Verizon tech did the install with a Verizon-provided HDMI->DVI cord ... maybe he did something I didn't see / notice but I don't think so.

If I go in and muck around with the DVI/HDMI settings I can get an 'HDCP required' message to come up. But if I turn everything (TV, STB) off and turn them back on again ... it goes away and the video comes back immediately. The 'HDCP required' message only comes up if I muck around in the settings.

Like I said ... I'll check out the firmware versions tonight.

Ugh.I'll check out the firmware versions when I get home.

The STB/TV HDMI initialization was pretty much immediate. BTW, a Verizon tech did the install with a Verizon-provided HDMI->DVI cord ... maybe he did something I didn't see / notice but I don't think so.

If I go in and muck around with the DVI/HDMI settings I can get an 'HDCP required' message to come up. But if I turn everything (TV, STB) off and turn them back on again ... it goes away and the video comes back immediately. The 'HDCP required' message only comes up if I muck around in the settings.

Like I said ... I'll check out the firmware versions tonight.
Thanks. BTW, the Verizon tech tried his own HDMI->DVI cable and I've used two different Monster cables, one that was DVI->DVI w/ an HDMI adapter and one that was DVI->HDMI. All w/ the same results. I may have to just live with the component connection

Fios PIP

I have a Vizio 37 inch LCD hooked up to the Fios Motorola QIP 6416 and was wondering if this box could supply PIP to my TV with one input on HDMI and the other thru the DTV input or thru some other way. It has two tuners right? The Vizio has PIP between inputs and I understand must people hook one input to the cable box and the other to an analog antenna on the DTV input but I don't have an antenna wire there anymore.

I have a Vizio 37 inch LCD hooked up to the Fios Motorola QIP 6416 and was wondering if this box could supply PIP to my TV with one input on HDMI and the other thru the DTV input or thru some other way.No ... not AFAIK.The Vizio has PIP between inputs and I understand must people hook one input to the cable box and the other to an analog antenna on the DTV input but I don't have an antenna wire there anymore.The Vizio TV still has coax input right?

Get a coax splitter. Split the coax coming out of your wall. One side goes to the Verizon DVR. Get a new coax cable and run it from the other side of the splitter to the TV.

That will give you PIP using the TV for a (limited) set of channels.

Is there something I missed that prevents you from doing the above? Not sure what you meant by "but I don't have an antenna wire there anymore".

BTW, the PIP functionality from my (previous) cable DVR (SciAtl/SARA) is one of the few things I miss ... although ... I really don't miss it all that much.

I just had my install yesterday day and the only complaint is with the universal remotes that I got (model AT8550). They list a DRC800 as the remote on the web site. Are those better?

Thanks. BTW, the Verizon tech tried his own HDMI->DVI cable and I've used two different Monster cables, one that was DVI->DVI w/ an HDMI adapter and one that was DVI->HDMI. All w/ the same results. I may have to just live with the component connection
I feel lucky... we have two sets using an HDMI to DVI cable (LG Plasma & Toshiba 34") and have never had problems. Also a Sony XBR1 using HDMI but as mentioned earlier we mostly watch that via the component input... but don't remember having problems when using HDMI. Now that I think about it, we had problems all the time with the Comcast 6412 box & HDMI... screen would randomly turn all green, had to change the channel to get the picture back.

If I split the Fios wire will I get a degrade in quality? I was told by Verizon not to split the cable.


No ... not AFAIK.The Vizio TV still has coax input right?

Get a coax splitter. Split the coax coming out of your wall. One side goes to the Verizon DVR. Get a new coax cable and run it from the other side of the splitter to the TV.

That will give you PIP using the TV for a (limited) set of channels.

Is there something I missed that prevents you from doing the above? Not sure what you meant by "but I don't have an antenna wire there anymore".

BTW, the PIP functionality from my (previous) cable DVR (SciAtl/SARA) is one of the few things I miss ... although ... I really don't miss it all that much.

BTW, do you know what your GIOS version is?Functional HDMI->DVI with Sony 34XBR800

GIOS: 17.10
Guide Build: 1.3.09

BTW, playing around in the extended diagnostic screen, there's some HDMI status stuff under d11 - Interface Status. Hadn't noticed it before becuase it's on the second page (have to scroll down to see it).

I just had my install yesterday day and the only complaint is with the universal remotes that I got (model AT8550). They list a DRC800 as the remote on the web site. Are those better?Remote preference is of course a personal thing ... but ...

I actually prefer the Scientific Atlanta AT8550 over the Motorola DRC800, especially if you're using the DVR. IMO the AT8550's DVR controls are a lot better laid out and easier to use while the DRC800's DVR controls are a bit more clumsy.

For a non-DVR box though, I would probably prefer using the DRC800. Smaller, lighter, and I would say a little better laid out for basic channel flipping.

However, the AT8550 has some features that the DRC800 doesn't have. Most notably for me are the 'All On / All Off' power feature and the 'Channel Lock' feature. Both of which I find nice to use ... but the DRC800 doesn't have.

Oh, and I also think the AT8550's 'range' is alot better than the DRC800. I find the DRC800 alot more sensitive to being pointed at the device.

Edit: Not to say that either remote is all that great ... definately lots of universal remotes on the market that are better. But between the two Verizon is currently providing ... I definately prefer the SciAtl AT8550.

Functional HDMI->DVI with Sony 34XBR800

GIOS: 17.10
Guide Build: 1.3.09

BTW, playing around in the extended diagnostic screen, there's some HDMI status stuff under d11 - Interface Status. Hadn't noticed it before becuase it's on the second page (have to scroll down to see it).
Thanks. I plugged a HDMI DVD into my Sony and it produced a nice 1080i pic, so I'm thinking that the SONY DVI port is fine. I just can't believe that Verizon has provided 3 duds...course, that's really no surprise given my provisioning nightmare.

I just had my install yesterday day and the only complaint is with the universal remotes that I got (model AT8550). They list a DRC800 as the remote on the web site. Are those better?
I'm using a Sony RM-AX4000, which is fairly simple to program, but I have to say that from a FIOS TV perspective, the SA remote's key layout is pretty nice. The Sony's bigger, but not quite as big as a Crestron (and definitely cheaper ~ $100 online), but it makes consolidating remotes very easy and can accomodate multiple systems. Can't really comment on the DRC, but since I've had the Sony, all my new remotes just get stored away after setting the codes in the Sony.:)

If I split the Fios wire will I get a degrade in quality? I was told by Verizon not to split the cable.You can use coax splitters with Fios TV just fine.

You'll get the same 3db signal loss you'd get if you split cable ... or an OTA antennal ... or whatever ...

But that's fine. It won't inpact PQ unless you're getting a poor signal from the ONT for some reason. Heck, they often have to attenuate the signal from the ONT because it's too hot.

You do need a splitter with enough bandwidth to handle the MOCA signals ... I think 1GHz will do but you might need a 2GHz splitter. I'll look at the ones Verizon installed in my house tonight and check the specs.

BTW, all Fios TV installations done to date use at least one splitter (either installed by Verizon or already existing) ... coax coming into the house is split to the TV and NIM / router.

You do need a splitter with enough bandwidth to handle the MOCA signals ... I think 1GHz will do but you might need a 2GHz splitter. I'll look at the ones Verizon installed in my house tonight and check the specs.The following post says Verizon used 1GHz splitters so ... 1GHz splitters should be fine:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7930388&&#post7930388

Oh, one more note. When Verizon did my installation they actually attenuated my signal from the ONT ... taking measurements at the outlets.

In the 'simple' case of one TV ...

Ideally you'd currently be getting a 0db signal to the STB. Add a 2-way splitter, you'd now be getting -3.5db. Shouldn't impact PQ though. Heck, you should even be able to add another 2-way splitter for a -7db signal without impacting PQ.

But, ideally, after adding the splitter you'd want to re-adjust the signal coming from the ONT to then give you 0db at the STB again ...

So has anyone found a decent work around to having 2 DVRs in the same room and using the remote? I have one off with the other on, which works most of the time, but when I hit the menu button I have inadvertently enabled closed caption on the box that is off.

Yes.

Verizon carries analog versions of it's 'Local' package ... ie, channels 2-49. So, you'll get these channels with an NTSC tuner (ie, coax going directly to the TV). Basically, that's the standard local channels and PEGs (public, educational, government) channels. Although ... there's a few others in there (like a localized product from the Weather Channel, etc).

Verizon also carries its 'HD Broadcast' (ie, channels 801-809) and 'Local Plus' (ie, channels 850-899) as unencrypted QAM. This is the HD locals and any other OTA digital channels (including multicasted channels). You'll get these channels with a QAM tuner ... some TV's will get them with the coax going directly to the TV ... some won't. Check your TV's specs.

What you won't get is all the 'Extended' cable channels ... CNN, MTV, Discovery, ESPN, etc. that most cable compaines carry analog versions of (and most cable-ready sets get on those cable plants) ... unless you have a TV that supports CableCard and get a CableCard from Verizon. With a CableCard, a TV can get the full range of channels (that you subscribe to) by running coax straight to it.


I have two Sony DHG HDD 500 DVR's that have CC, NTSC, ATSC, and QAM tuners. Can I get 2-49, the HD tier and local plus channels with these DVR's W/O a verizon settop box? If I use a cablecard with these DVR's how would I get guide data?

I'm currently using a 1x4 splitter in my attic. Three of the outputs go to my three STB's, and the other output goes to the NIM. I'd like to add another STB.

Can anybody recommend either a 1x5 or 1x6 (maybe 1x8?) splitter for FiOS TV?

An alternative solution for me would be to use a 1x2 splitter at the ONT, and have one of the outputs go to the NIM, and the other one to go to my 1x4 splitter and use the last output of the 1x4 splitter for the forth STB.

I have two Sony DHG HDD 500 DVR's that have CC, NTSC, ATSC, and QAM tuners. Can I get 2-49, the HD tier and local plus channels with these DVR's W/O a verizon settop box?Yes, you should be able to get the channels you mentioned ... subject to box limitations. I don't have a Sony DVR so I don't know exactly how they work. As long as they allow a complete 'channel scan' you should be good to go. If they require the channel to be in the TVGOS data though ... might be problematic. But anyway, NTSC, ATSC, and QAM tuners should let you get the channels you mentioned without a CableCard.

If I use a cablecard with these DVR's how would I get guide data?Same way you get guide data now (datacasted on the local PBS stations). If TVGOS has the Verizon guide data ... re-run the TVGOS setup and you should be good to go. It should (in theory) even pick up the guide data off the PBS station from Verizon instead of OTA if you don't hook up an antenna. Of course, that's just the theory. As always, YMMV.