Anyone have experience with the Omni 350's?

I was going to get the Omni 350's for my surrounds but my wife didn't like the idea of having towers right next to the couch so I went for a pair of 150's instead. But the 350's use the same exact drivers that the C150 center uses. I would guess that the 350's have less punch in the low end compared to the 550's but the mids and highs should be exactly the same.

Alex Solomon started a recent discussion on comparing OM series with Omni series. That question never actually received answer. I looked all around the net, no series review is found. Anyone had any luck?

three weeks ago I purchased the 550's with the c150 and 4 150's to replace my polk rti70 set-up.i couldn't pass up the price from crutchfield.
i am using a denon 3805 receiver and am quite impressed with the speakers so far. clear dialogue and a very deep and wide sound stage.i am still playing around with e/q and levels and Mirage recommends 100 hours of break in before final tuning so i am expecting some improvement over the next few weeks.the most noticable difference from the Polks is the sense of envelopment that you get with the Mirage speakers. even running just the fronts in stereo, the 550's have a much broader and deeper sound then the polks.
the 150's as surround speakers although large and somewhat intrusive (i have them mounted upside down on the side and back wall about 7 feet from the floor) are spectacular,by far the best surround speakers i have ever heard ( i have 4 other sets including the old mirage OMR's).
last friday i had the chance to listen to a set up with the OMD 15's , the matching center and the OMD 5's as surrounds at a local B/M. At more then 4 times the price of the 550 set up, the OMD15's were definitely better although it could have been the $10,000 of Bryston pre-amp and amp driving the speakers and the room treatments.the sound was even clearer and more coherent then the 550 set up in the room next door.if i had the money i would have bought the OMD 15 set up but one can't have everything. the manager of the store did say that he thought that the 550's were fantastic value and i would have to agree with him , especially at the price i paid.

I am surprised you found the 150 better than the OM-R2s. I also have an all Mirage Omni set up but I am slowly moving to the old OM line as I find the OM-C2 to be a fantastic speaker and want the fronts to be from the same OM line.

Any Mirage OM owners who want to upgrade, let me know if you have a mirage OM-9 you want to get rid off.

I am also loving my new Omni 550, C150 and 150 setup as well. I have my 150's mounted upside down on the back corner right above the couch and they sound fantastic. What I love the most is playing 2ch music on my 550's. I find the bass very tight and they seem to go pretty low but I have yet to measure the actual bass response. For the price I paid at vann's I don't think I could have a better setup. Now all I need is a new receiver but I am waiting for the new Yamaha's to come out this fall.

Here are some pics of the setup:
550 mains and C150
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c9/gus6464/IMG_2913.jpg

150 rears upside down
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c9/gus6464/IMG_2910.jpg

I am surprised you found the 150 better than the OM-R2s.I'm not. They used good components in that line, but the design of that speaker reflects the compromises of something meant to be wall mounted and unobtrusive (unlike the 150!), and an early version of one at that. It's not really omnidirectional. And those side firing tweeters aren't really ideal IMO.

Not to say that someone might not like one or the other, just that the R2 is far from the last word in surrounds.

I am surprised you found the 150 better than the OM-R2s. I also have an all Mirage Omni set up but I am slowly moving to the old OM line as I find the OM-C2 to be a fantastic speaker and want the fronts to be from the same OM line.

Any Mirage OM owners who want to upgrade, let me know if you have a mirage OM-9 you want to get rid off.


i had the pleasure of meeting the then owner of API-- Mirage's parent about 4 years ago and he thought that the OM-c2 was his best as long as it was placed in the open. i have an l/c/r set up of OM -c3's in bookshelves with the OMR's in a small room and the front sound stage is seamless-- a strong arguement for matching l/c/r speakers.3 OM-c2's across the front with a good sub would be awesome.
incidentally i watched the latest x-men flick last night and the DTS ex discrete 6.1 audio from the blue ray disc played on a ps3 into the denon 3805 and the mirage 550 set-up was stunning .my wife who rarely notices such things thought the sound was better then a movie theater--- i think she was right and for only $805 US for the whole speaker set-up.

I am surprised you found the 150 better than the OM-R2s. I also have an all Mirage Omni set up but I am slowly moving to the old OM line as I find the OM-C2 to be a fantastic speaker and want the fronts to be from the same OM line.

Any Mirage OM owners who want to upgrade, let me know if you have a mirage OM-9 you want to get rid off.

OM-C2 is a beast, but placement is near impossible in the flat screen world. Mine worked wonderfully sitting atop my 56" RPTV, but it's now in my closet sitting next to my OM-6's and OM-R2's. I really miss that setup but had to retire it once I bought my own place and asthetics mattered...

OM-C2 is a beast, but placement is near impossible in the flat screen world. Mine worked wonderfully sitting atop my 56" RPTV, but it's now in my closet sitting next to my OM-6's and OM-R2's. I really miss that setup but had to retire it once I bought my own place and asthetics mattered...

What is your current setup?

What is your current setup?

Well, none, b/c that's what I'm trying to figure out right now. I have 60" plasma on the wall as of last week, but no audio other than the TV itself.

I need on-walls all the way around for this particular room and am probably going to go back to Definitive Tech's, where I started way back when, b/c their Mythos series is more appealing to me than anything on-wall in the Mirage series. But I'll be keeping my Mirage sub (Substrata 1000) at least.

Well, none, b/c that's what I'm trying to figure out right now. I have 60" plasma on the wall as of last week, but no audio other than the TV itself.

I need on-walls all the way around for this particular room and am probably going to go back to Definitive Tech's, where I started way back when, b/c their Mythos series is more appealing to me than anything on-wall in the Mirage series. But I'll be keeping my Mirage sub (Substrata 1000) at least.

I hear you. The reason I am looking at the OM-9 instead of the OM-7 is that I don't have the required space to really make the OM-7 work in my room. I can see why your OM-6 would be quite difficult to set up.

Hi,

I have a question.

I am thinking of buying the new Onkyo 805 receiver. I want it for the 130 watts and the three HDMI 1.3 inputs. The audyssey speaker calibration was also a plus.

The problem is, I was just in the "Official" Audyssey thread and there was a post from someone that said.
"Has anyone used the Audyssey set-up with Mirage speakers? Was wondering how this would work with the Omni directional type speakers.I was told by someone at Mirage it can be more difficult with the Omni type speakers. But I have heard that Audyssey is very different from the other auto set-up systems".

That man did not get a reply to his question so I am turning here for the answer.

I have the Mirage Omni series and I was wondering of anyone has the new Onkyo 805 or higher. If you do can you please let me know if you were able to use the audyssey calibration or if it was a useless feature.

I still want a receiver that has a large amount of watts and HDMI 1.3 but if I am wasting my money getting the 805 I can start to research some other receivers.

Could someone please give me feed back on this. I am starting to feel as if I am in overload with so much information and that maybe I need to sit back and digest what I have already read.

I just want to know about the receiver so if it goes on sale I will know if I should pounce on it or get something else.

I already have the Mirage Omni speakers, 550's, CC and Sub and I just ordered the OPPO 980.

So this receiver plays a big part in my system.

Thanks for any info you can send to me.


Jim

I have an 805 with the Mirage OMD-15 and OM-9 speakers. It powers them more than sufficiently and the Audyssey works very well. I agree OMNI speakers can be difficult for EQ because of tha reverb, but in my experience Audyssey does work. The only knock on most Mirage speakers is the peak in midbass region. The Audyssey tones that down perfectly and doesn't touch much else.

The only thing you want to do after the septup is make sure you go back and set the speakers to small with your desired crossover. Audyssey will set them to large if they can dip under 80hz even though the speakers are not really full-range.

I have an 805 with the Mirage OMD-15 and OM-9 speakers. It powers them more than sufficiently and the Audyssey works very well. I agree OMNI speakers can be difficult for EQ because of tha reverb, but in my experience Audyssey does work. The only knock on most Mirage speakers is the peak in midbass region. The Audyssey tones that down perfectly and doesn't touch much else.

The only thing you want to do after the septup is make sure you go back and set the speakers to small with your desired crossover. Audyssey will set them to large if they can dip under 80hz even though the speakers are not really full-range.
How does the OMD-15 compare to the OM-9?

Yes, I'd also like to know how the new OMD-15 compares to the OM-9 as a former 9 owner and possible 15 buyer in the future.

I have an 805 with the Mirage OMD-15 and OM-9 speakers. It powers them more than sufficiently and the Audyssey works very well. I agree OMNI speakers can be difficult for EQ because of tha reverb, but in my experience Audyssey does work. The only knock on most Mirage speakers is the peak in midbass region. The Audyssey tones that down perfectly and doesn't touch much else.

The only thing you want to do after the septup is make sure you go back and set the speakers to small with your desired crossover. Audyssey will set them to large if they can dip under 80hz even though the speakers are not really full-range.


Hello Scott,

Your post came just in time. Circuit City finally allows people in my area to back order the Onkyo 805 and I was just going in there to order it when your post came in.

Thank you for the reply. Even though I decided to get the 805 I feel better knowing that I can use the Audyssey set up.

"The only knock on most Mirage speakers is the peak in midbass region. The Audyssey tones that down perfectly and doesn't touch much else."
That is great to hear.

"The only thing you want to do after the septup is make sure you go back and set the speakers to small with your desired crossover. Audyssey will set them to large if they can dip under 80hz even though the speakers are not really full-range". That has been mention a lot in most of the forums I am in.

More questions:

1. After I use audyssey and go back to set the speakers to small do I use audyssey again or would that be really stupid?

2. What are you using for a crossover?

Some guys in the forums say to use a crossover of 80 and some suggest 120 so that audyssey will allow the sub to have more bass.

I am really new to all of this so my questions may be basic to most guys, but they are concerns to me.

Scott, again thanks for the reply and now it is time for me to order this puppy. A rather large heavy puppy.



Jim

Hello Scott,

Your post came just in time. Circuit City finally allows people in my area to back order the Onkyo 805 and I was just going in there to order it when your post came in.

Thank you for the reply. Even though I decided to get the 805 I feel better knowing that I can use the Audyssey set up.

"The only knock on most Mirage speakers is the peak in midbass region. The Audyssey tones that down perfectly and doesn't touch much else."
That is great to hear.

"The only thing you want to do after the septup is make sure you go back and set the speakers to small with your desired crossover. Audyssey will set them to large if they can dip under 80hz even though the speakers are not really full-range". That has been mention a lot in most of the forums I am in.

More questions:

1. After I use audyssey and go back to set the speakers to small do I use audyssey again or would that be really stupid?

2. What are you using for a crossover?

Some guys in the forums say to use a crossover of 80 and some suggest 120 so that audyssey will allow the sub to have more bass.

I am really new to all of this so my questions may be basic to most guys, but they are concerns to me.

Scott, again thanks for the reply and now it is time for me to order this puppy. A rather large heavy puppy.



Jim

Jim, I have a Mirage Omni 60, OM-C2, Omnisat Micro and Energy RC-30. With my previous HK receiver the bass was boomy, overwhelming and undefined even though I have the speakers out 16 feet from the rear wall but only about 6 from the sides. The Oknyo 805 and the Audyssey changed all that. The Eq made wonders and took care of my room response and bass problem. The sound is now just wonderful. I am still looking to upgrade my fronts. As for your other questions:
1. No need to run the Audyssey again.
2. 80 Hz for the front three and 120 hz for surround.
I set up my sub and speaker level manually with Avia and SPL after I run the Audyssey.

Jim, I have a Mirage Omni 60, OM-C2, Omnisat Micro and Energy RC-30. With my previous HK receiver the bass was boomy, overwhelming and undefined even though I have the speakers out 16 feet from the rear wall but only about 6 from the sides. The Oknyo 805 and the Audyssey changed all that. The Eq made wonders and took care of my bass problem. The Oknyo 805 and the Audyssey changed all that. The Eq made wonders and took care of my room response and bass problem. The sound is now just wonderful. I am still looking to upgrade my fronts. As for your other questions:
1. No need to run the Audyssey again.
2. 80 Hz for the front three and 120 hz for surround.
I set up my sub and speaker level manually with Avia and SPL after I run the sound is now just wonderful. I am still looking to upgrade my fronts. As for your other questions:
1. No need to run the Audyssey again.
2. 80 Hz for the front three and 120 hz for surround.
I set up my sub and speaker level manually with Avia and SPL after I run the Audyssey.


Thanks for the info. These forums are fantastic for guys like me.


Jim

Note the correction in my post. Some sentences are repeated by error.

a 120 crossover runs the chance of making the subwoofer localizable.

And if initial Audyssey EQ 'thinks' that your main channels cross over at 120, it seems to me that there must be some effect on EQ if you reset them to 80, even if you adjust channel level manually. Wouldn't you want Audyssey to analyze the 80-120 region of your main channels, and apply EQ as needed?

Hey all,

As a longtime reader finally sitting down to type his first post, let me first take a moment to thank all of you (esp. you TDI Driver) for all your posts - this is such a useful resource. I plan on going through the various threads and post in all the areas I can so that I can hopefully help others in the same manner.

I currently own a pair of Omni 60's which I absolutely love (although they could use a bit more in the bottom end). These serve as my main speakers in my HT set up - my center and rears are Bose due to the fact that I have a family member who works for them and they cost me next to nothing, but I have long been disappointed in their sound and am finally seeking to replace them.

I went to purchase the C150 center channel from Crutchfield the other night and noticed the sale on the Omni 350s and 550s as well. With such a discount, my current thought is to buy a pair of one of the towers, and use my Omni 60s as surrounds. (I assume the C150 will match the newer Omni's better anyway). With this in mind, I have a few questions and would greatly appreciate any advice you can all provide:

- I've read comments on this forum suggesting that the 550s would be a welcome upgrade to the Omni 60's (and 260s for that matter) - can I assume the same for the 350s? The change in tweeter/woofer material and overall weight definitely give me pause.

- My receiver is a 75 watt/channel Yamaha 6.1 receiver (nothing fancy, ~$350 new), is it enough to drive the 350s or 550s (they are 89 and 90db respectively while the old 260s were 93db)?

- Based on size and price, my preference would be for the 350s unless the 550s would be markedly better. Thoughts?

- Keeping in mind that I already own a pair of Omni 60s, and with the 550s currently selling for $199 each on both Vanns and Crutchfield, does it make sense to buy one of the few pairs of Omni 260s that Vanns has left (also for $199/each)?

Note: I do not currently own a subwoofer (I live in an apt)

Thanks in advance for all of your help! I'll post comments and photos of my setup (with my 40" 1080p Sammy LCD too) once I receive my speakers and get them set up.

-P from Boston

Kind of curious, some OM5 (http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542925217) and OM7 (http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542550448) are for sale at Vanns - free shipping!

Kind of curious, some OM5 (http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542925217) and OM7 (http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542550448) are for sale at Vanns - free shipping!
Excellent deal I must say. Had I not bought the OM-9 last week, I would have jumped on the OM-7.

Hey all. I am about to pull the trigger on a set of 350's, 150's, c-150 and 8" sub.

Im planning on driving them with a Pioneer VSX-517-K.

My local a/v mirage dealer told me that if I buy the mirage speakers online, that mirage will not honor the warranty. Is that correct?

Also, do you think that pioneer receiver will power them just fine?

Hey all. I am about to pull the trigger on a set of 350's, 150's, c-150 and 8" sub.

Im planning on driving them with a Pioneer VSX-517-K.

My local a/v mirage dealer told me that if I buy the mirage speakers online, that mirage will not honor the warranty. Is that correct?

Also, do you think that pioneer receiver will power them just fine?

Vanns and Crutchfield are authorized Mirage online dealers with full Mirage warranty.

Thanks Alex!!!!

I took the plunge and ordered a Uni-Theater. I'll arrive on Thursday or Friday.

I like the sound of Mirage when I've demo'd them at Ultimate Electronics and Magnolia (@ Best Buy). I hope that I like it at home. The Uni-Theater is replacing JBL E30s and an EC35 which are too big for our setup.

Hey all. I am about to pull the trigger on a set of 350's, 150's, c-150 and 8" sub.

Im planning on driving them with a Pioneer VSX-517-K.

My local a/v mirage dealer told me that if I buy the mirage speakers online, that mirage will not honor the warranty. Is that correct?

Also, do you think that pioneer receiver will power them just fine?

Right now I am using a super old Sony receiver and it has no problems powering a pair of 550's, 150's, and C150. That pioneer shouldn't have a problem. Although I do recommend getting a different sub than the mirage. HSUs are very nice and great bang for the buck.

Hey all,

As a longtime reader finally sitting down to type his first post, let me first take a moment to thank all of you (esp. you TDI Driver) for all your posts - this is such a useful resource. I plan on going through the various threads and post in all the areas I can so that I can hopefully help others in the same manner.

I currently own a pair of Omni 60's which I absolutely love (although they could use a bit more in the bottom end). These serve as my main speakers in my HT set up - my center and rears are Bose due to the fact that I have a family member who works for them and they cost me next to nothing, but I have long been disappointed in their sound and am finally seeking to replace them.

I went to purchase the C150 center channel from Crutchfield the other night and noticed the sale on the Omni 350s and 550s as well. With such a discount, my current thought is to buy a pair of one of the towers, and use my Omni 60s as surrounds. (I assume the C150 will match the newer Omni's better anyway). With this in mind, I have a few questions and would greatly appreciate any advice you can all provide:

- I've read comments on this forum suggesting that the 550s would be a welcome upgrade to the Omni 60's (and 260s for that matter) - can I assume the same for the 350s? The change in tweeter/woofer material and overall weight definitely give me pause.

- My receiver is a 75 watt/channel Yamaha 6.1 receiver (nothing fancy, ~$350 new), is it enough to drive the 350s or 550s (they are 89 and 90db respectively while the old 260s were 93db)?

- Based on size and price, my preference would be for the 350s unless the 550s would be markedly better. Thoughts?

- Keeping in mind that I already own a pair of Omni 60s, and with the 550s currently selling for $199 each on both Vanns and Crutchfield, does it make sense to buy one of the few pairs of Omni 260s that Vanns has left (also for $199/each)?

Note: I do not currently own a subwoofer (I live in an apt)

Thanks in advance for all of your help! I'll post comments and photos of my setup (with my 40" 1080p Sammy LCD too) once I receive my speakers and get them set up.

-P from Boston

The 550's use a larger driver than the 350's so the difference will be mostly in the bass response. I like to listen to music in 2ch with no sub so that's why I went with the 550's. If you already have a sub for HT I would go with the 350's as they have the same exact drivers and tweeter as the C150 (better tonal match).

I have a 15x18x8 room and upgrading my house's previous owners HT.

I need to purchase 4 surrounds and CC. The previous owner had a Bose Acoustimass 10 system, the sub went out so I purchased another brand sub and have since found that the surrounds need the Bose sub. I am not a Bose fan so I want to replace the surrounds. Here is my receiver and sub.


Pio 91 receiver

Boston Acoustic Sub PV500

Panny Blu

46XBR4


Are the Omnisats compatible with the BA?

Would the Pio drive the Omnisats efficiently?

Would the Omnisats be an improvement over a Bose system (not mine currently as I don't have the Bose sub). I just want a reference for what I had.

Would be interested in hearing opinions particularly anyone that plays DVD Audios through Mirage omnisats.

Anybody uses the Omni Fx for surround with the OM series? I am trying to decide between used OM-R2 vs. a new Omni Fx's? Which one is the better surround speaker?

My Uni-Theater is being delivered today. I'm keeping my JLB E250P (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=E250P&CheckProduct=Y) sub. It can crossed over as high as 150Hz. The Uni-theater's low end is 80Hz (-3db).

Any recommendations on the cross-over setting I should use on the sub? I'm going to set the sub cross-over, set the LCRs to small on my Pioneer VSX-1014 and set all speaker levels to 0db for a few days for break-in. Then I'll run the Auto MCACC.

I'm keeping my JLB E250P (http://www.jbl.com/home/products/product_detail.aspx?prod=E250P&CheckProduct=Y) sub. It can crossed over as high as 150Hz. The Uni-theater's low end is 80Hz (-3db).

Any recommendations on the cross-over setting I should use on the sub? I'm going to set the sub cross-over, set the LCRs to small on my Pioneer VSX-1014 and set all speaker levels to 0db for a few days for break-in. Then I'll run the Auto MCACC.You'll want to experiment and/or use some test tones, see how high you can live with it. That is, does the possible sense that the bass is coming from the sub, not the speakers, bother you more than having a hole in the bass output? Personally I don't notice the directionality, but I do notice the hole.

At least 120, maybe 150. There's no way the unitheater goes down to 80 hz with any useful amount of output, given the small cones and the small enclosures. But that won't be a problem for most people with a sub.

I'm fairly happy after a few days with the Uni-Theater.

I had my Pioneer VSX-1014-tx-k set to 0db gain on the front 3 channels and the sub. I had the sub set to 150hz cross-over and the fronts, via the receiver, set to 100hz.

We don't have real furniture in the room yet--just a couple MovieSacs (5' LoveSac) until tomorrow when our sofa and loveseat will be delivered. As a result, my ears are lower than the Uni-Theater is is far from ideal.

I watched "I Think I Love My Wife" last night (Chris Rock movie), and decided to bump the center channel to +2db because I was missing dialog.

After the furniture is delivered tomorrow, I'm going to run through the Auto MCACC setup and see how it does.



Oh, I'm in need of black speaker wire. I have clear jacketed copper now, and it sticks out like a sore thumb where I have it run around my TV. (Uni-Theater is in front of my 52" Mits 1080p DLP.) It seems that no one sells black speaker wire around me.

Are the Omnisats compatible with the BA?

You don't have to match the sub with the speakers so your BA would be good for anything that you choose (except bose accustimass with the bass module requirement).

Would the Pio drive the Omnisats efficiently?


Mirage speakers are fairly easy to drive so you should not have a problem here.

Would the Omnisats be an improvement over a Bose system (not mine currently as I don't have the Bose sub). I just want a reference for what I had.

I don't know a whole lot about bose other than hearing them in a store, but an easy way to get a good feel for this is to visit a Best Buy/Magnolia store if there is one near by (or any shop that carries both bose and mirage) and demo both the bose setup and the Omnisat setup. I have a feeling that you would get better sound out of the Omnisats because of the option to manage the crossover between the sub and the speakers, but I can't make that decision for you. It is up to you to decide.

Well, i installed my mirage 150s and 8 inch sub powered by the 110 watt per channel pio and

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THEY SOUND FANTASTIC!!!!! Im running the disco channel through overnight at low levels to give the speakers the 100 hour workout so i can calibrate the sound.

The mirage sub SHAKES THE FOUNDATION!!!! I highly recommend it. The phase switch and filter switch do wonders with the crossover on the sub. Excellent value.

The 150s sound so transparent that you cannot point to where a sound is coming from like a traditional speaker. the spaceship doesnt fly out of the rear surround, the spaceship FLIES OVER YOUR HEAD!!!!!!

i highly recommend the mirage 150 series. Excellent quality and value.

PS - I mounted them on speaker stands instead of upside down on the ceiling. im not sure if I will change my mind since the sound so good right now.

After about a week with the Uni-Theater I have calibrated it yesterday. We also have furniture in the room now (finally!) so I'm able to finally sit down and watch a movie (hopefully tonight).

I'm already itching for surrounds. I have a 7.1 receiver, but I may go with 5.1 or 6.1 because of room limitations.

Opinion request: Should I go with another Uni-Theater mounted upside down on the back wall to give us 6.1 or should I consider 3 OmniCan 5's mounted in our vaulted ceiling? The price is the same.

I'm also considering Nanosats, which are $75 less per speaker than the OmniCan 5.

How would the Omni CC match up with OM7?

My current set up consist of all original Omni series (250, CC, 60, S-10).

I'm thinking of upgrading the fronts to OM7 and move the 250 to rear, and use the 60 as back channels...

My main concern is of the CC matching with OM7 when running HT.

Thoughts?...

Thank you.

3 quick questions, if anyone wouldn't mind helping.

1. I am considering purchasing the Nanosats. I have heard the Omnisats, is there a large difference in sound?

2. Also, I currently have Acoustic Research HC4 series speakers for my 5.1 setup, if I purchase only two nanosats for my rear, am I completely in different leagues with my speaker setup in terms of quality (nanos in rear, ARs in front)?

3. Finally, how do you purchase a center channel that is acoustically matched to your front and rear speakers?

How would the Omni CC match up with OM7?

My current set up consist of all original Omni series (250, CC, 60, S-10).

I'm thinking of upgrading the fronts to OM7 and move the 250 to rear, and use the 60 as back channels...

My main concern is of the CC matching with OM7 when running HT.

Thoughts?...

Thank you.
I used to have the Omni 60 and Omni CC for about three years. I have recently upgraded to OM-9s now. While Omni CC will match up with the OM line, you will want the the OM-C2. The Omni CC will sound like a tin can in comparison. The Omni CC is a very good center channel just not in the OM-C2 level. The OM-C2 is the best center I have owned. You can use the Omni CC till you can get the OM-C2.

Thanks Alex.
He said "tin can" lol! cool, I'll have to check out the OM-2C for sure.

How did your 60s match with the fronts when you had them?

I'm guessing the OM series sound lot warmer then the Omnis. I'm wondering if the difference would get in the way playing surround...

Thanks.

I don't have the Omni 60 anymore. Kind of difficult to hang the 60 on the wall. I am now using the Omni Mircos for surround. I am looking to buy OM-R2s. The OMs are warmer than the Omni's, which are a bit forward. The OM play beautifully at louder volume without losing composure. The Omni 60 will let you know when you push them hard. And of course given the size of the speaker and the driver, the OM's bass performance goes without saying. Do remember though all speakers form the OM series do require a lot of space around them. I have mine out 36" inches from the rear wall.

Thanks again Alex.

Well, if the Omni micros are working for you I guess my 250s and 60s will do fine for the rear channels.

I hope the slightly forward highs of the Omnis don't lend them to be noticed too much. I get a nice bubble effect right now. Sound is so engulfing.

I wonder how much more space I'd have to give the OM7s to do their thing...

Right now I have the 250s 2 feet out back and sides.

:)

Hi

Purchased a set of omnisat v2 satellites and their stands. There was no manual or explanation how to attach the satellite to the top of the stands. Stand box contained 2 bottom plates, 3 small and 3 large screws per stand and two hollow tubes + 8 spikes, nothing else. There are no places in the speaker to attach any of the screws provided. I cannot figure out how to attach the satellite to the top of the stand. I would appreciate if anybody could give a hint... Am i missing parts?

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Opinion request: Should I go with another Uni-Theater mounted upside down on the back wall to give us 6.1 or should I consider 3 OmniCan 5's mounted in our vaulted ceiling? The price is the same.

Ideally, the speaker's sound really "surround" you. because there will be soundtrack will have sounds that are supposed to come from the side. So going for separate speakers is going to be more ideal. If your ceiling is too high though, that is going to have the sounds above your head which is not ideal. You want the surrounds to be a few feet above your head, but not directly over your head.

I am thinking of upgrading my center speaker (Bose) to the Mirage OMNISAT v2 CC

Anybody use that speaker? Can you give me your reviews.

Please don't lecture me on needing a matched speaker set to get the best sound because that is not my question.

I just want to know if the Mirage OMNISAT v2 CC would be a significant upgrade over the Bose VCS-10 that I have now.

I have limited space for a center speaker so I need a low profile (less than 6" high) speaker.

I just ordered the 550's from Crutchfield. I will have one of them corner loaded because of the shortfalls of my placement options. I'll probably have them about 16" to 18" from the rear wall and about 12" from the side walls/entertainment cener. My question is for anyone who has or has heard the 550's corner loaded. Does corner loading them bloat the bass? I see that gus has his pretty close to the back walls. If the bass was bloated did anyone install the included port plugs? Did this help. Thanks for any help/opinions

It seems that no one sells black speaker wire around me.Car audio shop/section of big store, or online like cardomain.com

I am thinking of upgrading my center speaker (Bose) to the Mirage OMNISAT v2 CC

Anybody use that speaker? Can you give me your reviews.

Please don't lecture me on needing a matched speaker set to get the best sound because that is not my question.

I just want to know if the Mirage OMNISAT v2 CC would be a significant upgrade over the Bose VCS-10 that I have now.

I have limited space for a center speaker so I need a low profile (less than 6" high) speaker.

I'm using an Omnisat for my center and it sounds great, however I don't have a Bose to compare it to so I can't really say how one would perform over the other.

I will say that I originally had a direct firing JBL speaker as the center which sounded very nice but once I went to the Omnisat there was no going back.

hi

Much like other people have mentioned I would like to thank everyone on these forums for their help. It makes my decision making much more educated.

I am far from an audiophile but I just got the Mirage 550's and a C150 yesterday from Crutchfield. (PS...very pleased...ordered on Wednesday at 2:30 and had them at my door Thursday at 1:00)

Wasn't planning on buying speakers but the pricing was hard to resist. Just bought the Onkyo 705 and a PS3 for Bluray so I decided to change everything ...within some budget limits of course.

So far I am thrilled with the sound. I am using the original Omnisat's for the surround and an older 12" Polk pwred Sub and it works very well. I had a pair of Infinity Reference speakers and a Polk Center that I thought sounded great.....but not close to this great.

Sure there's certainly better stuff but for the money I am very very pleased with this setup.

PS --- if you buy the 550's or 350's take off the plastic cap on the dome tweeter....unlike someone I won't mentioned that didn't notice them beforehand and didnt take them off ...(me).

Looking for a bit of advice...

While assembling my (small, 12'x13') home theater I came across some Mirage Omnisat V1 satellites being clearanced out (80% off list) and bought three of them to use basically as my front right, center and front left channels.

Now I am seeing that Crutchfield is selling the Omni 150's for what looks like a bargain price as well.

While I love the Omnisats I have to wonder if I would be better off with the Omni 150's for a home theater setup as the specs for the 150's make them out to be better than the Omnisats (5 1/2" vs 4 1/2" woofers, better range, etc.)

I also wonder why the Omni 150's are so much less expensive than the Omnisat satellites when they are larger and have more of a dynamic range, at least according to the specs listed for both speakers.

Being fairly new to this brand I am hoping someone here might be able to shed a little light onto this.

Looking for a bit of advice...

While assembling my (small, 12'x13') home theater I came across some Mirage Omnisat V1 satellites being clearanced out (80% off list) and bought three of them to use basically as my front right, center and front left channels.

Now I am seeing that Crutchfield is selling the Omni 150's for what looks like a bargain price as well.

While I love the Omnisats I have to wonder if I would be better off with the Omni 150's for a home theater setup as the specs for the 150's make them out to be better than the Omnisats (5 1/2" vs 4 1/2" woofers, better range, etc.)

I also wonder why the Omni 150's are so much less expensive than the Omnisat satellites when they are larger and have more of a dynamic range, at least according to the specs listed for both speakers.

Being fairly new to this brand I am hoping someone here might be able to shed a little light onto this.

Where did you get your V1's? I need a couple to replace 2 of my old ones, and I have not had any luck finding them! If you get the 150's, I would be interested in buying your V1's.

Well I haven't committed to changing them out for the Omni 150's just yet. At this point I am just trying to figure out if the 150's would sound better and why the Onmisats MSRP is set so much higher than the 150's.

However, from looking at Mirage's website it looks like the components in the Omnisats are of higher quality than the Omni 150's.

Omni 150: Fiberglass woofer and aluminum tweeter

vs.

Omnisat: Polypropylene Titanium woofer and titanium- hybrid tweeter

Which may answer at least part of my question however I am still curious as to which one sounds better.

Can anybody give me a little advice?

Right now I have 7.1 with the nanosat system - including a regular nano for my Center Channel. I find that most dialog is not as clear as I would like, so I'm thinking of upgrading my center channel.

I know it's best to keep all the speakers the same (nanos with nanos) but i came across the Omni-C150 & the OmniSat v2-CC on their site & now it has got me thinking.

Can I upgrade to one of these Centers & not effect my current sound too much? Remember I'm not happy with most of the dialog anyway

PS: I'm waiting for my Onkyo 905 to arrive

PPS is there really a differnece in the Nano center & the regular center

please help just want to know if anyone has reviews on this mirage speaker the uni-theater series....thanks

please help just want to know if anyone has reviews on this mirage speaker the uni-theater series....thanks

Here are some professional reviews that have been done.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/compactspeakers/305mirage/index.html

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/speakers/2031/mirage-uni-theater-speaker-system.html

Can anybody give me a little advice?

Right now I have 7.1 with the nanosat system - including a regular nano for my Center Channel. I find that most dialog is not as clear as I would like, so I'm thinking of upgrading my center channel.

I know it's best to keep all the speakers the same (nanos with nanos) but i came across the Omni-C150 & the OmniSat v2-CC on their site & now it has got me thinking.

Can I upgrade to one of these Centers & not effect my current sound too much? Remember I'm not happy with most of the dialog anyway

PS: I'm waiting for my Onkyo 905 to arrive

PPS is there really a differnece in the Nano center & the regular center

If you are going for an upgrade, the Omnsat v2-CC would be your best tonal match since it uses the same driver materials and is a sealed cabinet design like the Nanos. The Omni-C150 will give you direct presentation of dialog to the listening area since it is not an omnidirectional design, but it will not be the most ideal tonal match for the Nanos since it uses completely different drivers. Through the pages of this thread, you will find some others who share your complaints that an omnidirectional center channel lacks the clarity of a direct-radiating center channel.

There really is no difference between a Nano Center and a regular Nanosat; the Nano Center is a satellite dressed up in a center channel's clothes. According to my Mirage rep, the reason for Mirage's decision to release the Nano Center is that in their market research many people want their center channel to be in a wide, horizontally-oriented cabinet.

Hope this helps and happy listening!

Well I haven't committed to changing them out for the Omni 150's just yet. At this point I am just trying to figure out if the 150's would sound better and why the Onmisats MSRP is set so much higher than the 150's.

However, from looking at Mirage's website it looks like the components in the Omnisats are of higher quality than the Omni 150's.

Omni 150: Fiberglass woofer and aluminum tweeter

vs.

Omnisat: Polypropylene Titanium woofer and titanium- hybrid tweeter

Which may answer at least part of my question however I am still curious as to which one sounds better.

The biggest difference is that the Omni-150s produce better bass response than the Omnisats due to the larger woofer and bass-reflex cabinet design. On the other hand, I feel the Omnisats have slightly better midrange presentation largely due to its acoustic suspension cabinet design. These are at least my impressions from listening to both; your overall impressions may vary.

As for the cost difference between the two, according to API, it is less expensive to engineer and build a ported speaker out of MDF than it is to engineer and build a sealed speaker out of aluminum as there are more acoustic considerations to take into account. You will see this principle follow suit in their others lines, Athena and Energy, as well. As a dealer for all three API brands, I get this question alot.

Hope this helps and happy listening!

hey guys... well i have just spent 10 months piecing together a mirage theater in my 14x10 bedroom and i am wondering how the newer omnis fare against what i have.

currently i am running the omni 250's up front, omni cc center, omni 60 surround, omni fx rears and svs pb12-nsd.

right now i am sitting on about $1100 and ten months of ebay and audiogon. i love the setup i have now but would i get anything out of selling this all off and going with omi 550's, c150 and four 150's

this is for theater only and sub will be swapped out for the nsd/2 around Christmas time.

tangent, that could be a downgrade, assuming the stuff you have is working fine. compare the materials and the original MSRP. the newer omni series was meant to hit a lower price point. is there some way in which it's not doing the job?

the only exception might be that the fx rears, which obviously can't generate much bass, but not worth changing for that.

enjoy the setup and try to get help with the upgrade-itis.

hahaha... i guess the only thing i really want more is the omni 260's in place of my towers. i may also try and swap fx's for 50's they run about the same used.

nothing is wrong with my setup other then me being a bass head. i was just curious about the recent price drop on the new stuff and wondered if it was worth considering.

thank you for your reply.

well, you can get the 260s on sale at Vanns for $200 each, new, if that's what you really want.

wow.... i look at vanns about once a month and i never even sow them. i bought my 250's for 300 used. maybe this weekend, i just loaned out some money to a friend for a tv :(

thanks man.

Hi All,

My first post. I'm a huge fan of Mirage specifically the Omnisat V1's. I have 5 in a home theater set up. I came across a wicked deal for the OM-C2 and OM-9's. I was wondering if it's worth the upgrade from the Omnisats? I know, i should hear the OM-9 and OM-C2 first and let me ears decide, but just wanted to know if you'd think it'd make a huge difference? Also, having a set of omnisats for rear surrounds with the OM's upfront, would that be okay? Would it be recommended?

I'll be driving with an RX-V661 receiver. Mainly using for home theater with a (say 20%) for music.

So I just spent half the day listening to various HT setup and was initially very intrigued by the Omnisat setup due to their sleek design.....but after comparing them to other "regular" sized towers, I felt they were on the short end of the stick. The regular size PSB Image T55 tower sounded much fuller vs Omnisat v2 FS.

So I'm giving up on my quest to find the ultimate "slender" design HT and going w the standard sized spkrs.

I need a 5.1 setup (towers in front w small bookshelves in rear + cc) on a budget of ~ $2k or less.

1. Are the Omni series much fuller sounding than the Omnisats?
2. How does the Omni setup compare to av123 X-seris and BA VR2 setup? I believe all 3 are in same price range.

I am close to ordering the Mirage Omni 550 speakers to either replace or accompany my Mirage Omnisat 60 Bookshelf speakers. I'd like to hear from other members who have the 550's and what you think of them as front mains - or another Mirage series you would recommend. I have a rather large, spacious room - 24'x15' so I need more power from my front speakers. I would also like to know if anyone has tried matching a Mirage Omni series with a different speaker brand and how that sounds. The CC is also Omni. Thanks.

You can see my post at the top of the page...still in love with these.

Does anybody have impressions of the 350. It seems like everybody here has gone with the 550?
I am thinking 350 because of it's smaller form factor(especially the width)
and my hope that it will have a more accurate midrange due to the smaller 5.5" speaker.

bump for the 350?

Well, despite the lack of activity and interest in these speakers I went ahead
and ordered the 350s, 150s and center 150 for a grand total of only $704.
Which is incredibly low price. We will see how they actually sound.
If i don't like them they will be sent back.

Which sub do you guys recommend?
Unfortunatley the deals on the Mirage omni subs aren't as good as the deals on the omni speakers.

Congratulations! I have a Hsu Research VTF-2 that is awesome. I bought it at Videogon slightly used for $325.00. I guess if I had to replace this subwoofer, I would get an Omni S-10 or S-12 just to match it up with the rest of my system, even though it is not as important to match the subwoofer.
I noticed that you ordered a completely new system but all from the same Mirage Omni family. What I have been trying to find out - to no avail, not even from Mirage yet - is whether you can mix and match any of the Mirage speakers, regardless of series or do you have to stay within a certain series like you did.

Malachi,

Ideally you want the speakers timbre matched so you should either buy 5 of the same speakers or at least stay in the same line.
So you probably wouldn't want to order a omni center and a OM left/right.
Having said that I have Mirage M3s which were $2500 in 1992 matched with their first center channel which was $170 and Mirage M260 bookshelves which were $260, and it sounds pretty good. The lower priced speakers do have have an edgier top end but I guess because they from the same family the voicing is pretty similiar.

Malachi,

Ideally you want the speakers timbre matched so you should either buy 5 of the same speakers or at least stay in the same line.
So you probably wouldn't want to order a omni center and a OM left/right.
Having said that I have Mirage M3s which were $2500 in 1992 matched with their first center channel which was $170 and Mirage M260 bookshelves which were $260, and it sounds pretty good. The lower priced speakers do have have an edgier top end but I guess because they from the same family the voicing is pretty similiar.

Thanks. So it stands to reason that either the Omni 260's or more current Omni 550's would match the system that I currently have, with or without the Omnisat 60's. Is that correct? Or are the Omnisats considered a different line altogether?

This is crazy but I ordered them at 3pm and they are already being shipped and I have atracking numbers!

Malachi,

I haven't kept up with recent Mirage offferings but are talking about the smaller "sat" speakers? if you are obviously the bass would be more with the Omnis. I don't know which tweeter they used and if they are voiced the same.
I would imagine the mids and highs would be pretty similiar though.

I am close to ordering the Mirage Omni 550 speakers to either replace or accompany my Mirage Omnisat 60 Bookshelf speakers. I'd like to hear from other members who have the 550's and what you think of them as front mains - or another Mirage series you would recommend. I have a rather large, spacious room - 24'x15' so I need more power from my front speakers. I would also like to know if anyone has tried matching a Mirage Omni series with a different speaker brand and how that sounds. The CC is also Omni. Thanks.The 260s are a perfect match. New on sale at Vanns too. Only 2 left. New speakers, low price, free shipping. 93db efficiency, they should be plenty loud.
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542250059

Details on the older Omni line at the Mirage site:
http://www.miragespeakers.com/omni260.shtml

The 550s are not a perfect match, but they are going to be a better match than anything other than the 260s or 250s. For HT, you won't notice the difference between the front and rear. You might notice a difference between the 550s and the Omni CC - it's a very individual thing.

Which sub do you guys recommend? Unfortunatley the deals on the Mirage omni subs aren't as good as the deals on the omni speakers.You should just choose the best sub you can get for the budget you have. No need for a Mirage. There are a number of suggestions in this thread for budget subs:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=809777 - but don't buy a Dayton

Lots of people seem to recommend an SVS or HSU sub. See the sub forum.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=113

Don't rush. Unless you're looking for lots of slam for HT, the 350s will have enough bass for music until you find the right sub. Set them up and see how you like it before you jump on a sub.

buzzy_,

i have been into audio a long time and have never owned a sub, so trust me it won't be a capricious purchase.
The mirage subs have always had a good rep for music and that is more important to me than HT.
The M3s I have now are -2db @ 32Hz and -10db @ 25Hz, Never needed a sub!
I do think with the 350s going down to 40HZ(bass guitar territoty) that I won't need a sub formusic but will for HT.

I have pretty much decided on the omni S10 though. Should be more than enough for the 1812 Overture AND movies in my 12X22 room.

The 260s are a perfect match. New on sale at Vanns too. Only 2 left. New speakers, low price, free shipping. 93db efficiency, they should be plenty loud.
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542250059

Details on the older Omni line at the Mirage site:
http://www.miragespeakers.com/omni260.shtml

The 550s are not a perfect match, but they are going to be a better match than anything other than the 260s or 250s. For HT, you won't notice the difference between the front and rear. You might notice a difference between the 550s and the Omni CC - it's a very individual thing.

Thanks alot. Your post was decisive because someone finally knew that the 260's are a perfect match for my system. I just bought the last two from Vann's at $199.00 each - a steal. Yeah! I can't wait to hear them.

Good thing you bought them, because I was starting to think that I should!

My 350, 150, C150 set came in this morning.
I have them placed but not hooked up because the 350s won't accept bananas.
I think the 350s are the righht size. They are signicantly smaller than the M3s and
the 550s would have been too large since I am trying to deemphasize my system..
Here are some pics to show the amazing size difference:

Excuse the mess in the 1st pic, we had just drywalled the room and where putting it back together.

Is their any mirage center that would go with my old pair of om10's.They sound killer.I am using a nice polk center now.Since Mirage does not make the om10 any more and they are 9 years old,Does it even really matter.THANKS

Look for a used Mirage OMC2 ... perfect match (I have the OM9s with the OMC2). Not the OMC3 as it is direct radiating. They discontinued these about 1 year ago when they discontinued the whole OM line.

Every once in a while one comes up on Audiogon, typically it's snapped up very quickly.

See this review of the speaker when it first came out ...

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_5_4/mirageomc2centerspeaker.html

Look for a used Mirage OMC2 ... perfect match (I have the OM9s with the OMC2). Not the OMC3 as it is direct radiating. For most people a direct radiating center is exactly what they need. The OMC2 needs lots of air around it. If you do have space to give it, then great.

Both come up on eBay and agon every now and then. The OMC3 is a nice speaker, under $200 usually. The OMC2 is by all accounts a powerhouse.

Anyway, anyone who has a Mirage speaker and wants to see what speakers were part of the original line should just look at this page on the old site:
http://miragespeakers.com/manuals.shtml

If you look at the OM10 brochure, page 5, for description of both the OMC2 and the OMC3 centers as timbre matched. Specs on page 6. As you can see from the drawings of the OMC2, there are drivers on both the front and the rear.

http://miragespeakers.com/PDFs/classic_manuals/OM/OM-10/OM10brochure.pdf

True, but personally I found the OMC3 to be a bit "boxy". I actually had that speaker before upgrading to the OMC2 (when I also upgraded from my trusty old Mirage FRX7s to the OM9s). You are right, it does do "best" with open air around it.

The right choice depends on the placement and the room size, as always.

Thanks Guys I will keep a eye out for a omc2.

Another vote for the Om-C2. It is an excellent center speaker. I have had the Mirage Omni CC, the Rocket Bigfoot, Ascend CMT-340 SE and wharfedale diamond center. I like the OM-C2 by a wide margin. Give it enough room to breath though.

I've been shopping for a set of speakers for awhile and am just about ready to jump on the Omni 350, 150, C150, S8 pkg (along w/an Onkyo 705). I want to mount the 150s on the walls but can't find the macromounts anywhere. Struck out at the two closest Magnolias. Who sells them? :confused:

Have you tried crutchfield's and vann's for the mounts?

i got the same thing you are considering without the sub for $560.

I am going to post a mini review as soon as I have the time.

So far the 350s have a tad more bass than I am used to, somewhat overripe, but not boomy.
They seem to have pretty good detail, but are lacking some air and extension.
I think that they may have more detail in some respects than my $2500
M3s and 350s only cost $300!!

Neither of them had the mounts either but I've got a lead.

Thanks, looking forward to the mini review. Haven't found them in a showroom yet so I'll be buying blind if I do.

Very interesting. Just heard from the horse's mouth (my Mirage rep) that the Omni series has been discontinued and there are none left in stock. Have e-mailed him back about a replacement series but no response yet. Will post something if any information is leaked. Thought you guys might like to know.

Hi TDI.
Question for you about the OMD 15's. Are you still enthusiastic about them?
As I've posted in the past, I have a pair of M760's that I'm considering replacing.
I'll be using them with a Mirage S12 sub. I'm currently using an Omnisat v2 CC which does surprisingly well with the 760's. However, I'm also considering a different CC. Only thing holding me back at the moment is the height of CC's that I've been looking at. The Omnisat v2 is just the perfect height in that, when placed in front of the tv on the credenza style a/v cabinet I have, it doesn't block the bottom of the tv screen (a Sony 46XBR4), and I'd rather not raise the tv any higher if I can help it.
Any nagging, recurring issues with the 15's? I'd be using them for both HT and music, about 60/40 HT/music.
I'm also still trying to decide on speakers for side and rear surrounds. The best option for me is in-ceilings. Any experience/thoughts on the Omnican 6?
Do you ship out of state (I'm in S.C.)?
Thanks.

Jack

TDI Driver,

I assumed that Mirage was up to something when I saw
the Omnis for sale at crutchfield and vann's for 50% off!
I wonder how independent B&M guys can compete with that?
Doubtful.
I am enjoying the Omni 350s but don't feel that they are $600 speakers.
They are probably worth less than $400 when compared to ID offerings.
And they are a hell of a deal at $300.

Hi TDI.
Question for you about the OMD 15's. Are you still enthusiastic about them?
As I've posted in the past, I have a pair of M760's that I'm considering replacing.
I'll be using them with a Mirage S12 sub. I'm currently using an Omnisat v2 CC which does surprisingly well with the 760's. However, I'm also considering a different CC. Only thing holding me back at the moment is the height of CC's that I've been looking at. The Omnisat v2 is just the perfect height in that, when placed in front of the tv on the credenza style a/v cabinet I have, it doesn't block the bottom of the tv screen (a Sony 46XBR4), and I'd rather not raise the tv any higher if I can help it.
Any nagging, recurring issues with the 15's? I'd be using them for both HT and music, about 60/40 HT/music.
I'm also still trying to decide on speakers for side and rear surrounds. The best option for me is in-ceilings. Any experience/thoughts on the Omnican 6?
Do you ship out of state (I'm in S.C.)?
Thanks.

Jack

Hi Jack,

To be honest, I've only had limited experience with the 15's. Had a pair on audition from my rep for almost a month. While they were a very nice set of speakers, good dynamics, clear and detailed, we ultimately decided not to bring them in only due to price point. Our market here is very ecomnomically challenged and as a result looking for bang/boom/sizzle-for-the-buck. With this, we have a better chance of selling a pair of Klipsch RF-83's, at the same price point, over the OMD-15's any day of the week due to the size and overall output difference and less to do with sound. We proved this years ago when we sold B&W next to Mirage. Over a period of five years displaying Nautilus, I sold three pairs of 804's (a small footprint tower like the OMD-15's). Meanwhile, I could sell three pairs of OM-5's, at the same price point, in 6 months. The Omnican 6 is a nice speaker that practically disappears in a room. We've used them in mostly commercial installations where coverage in a large area is key. As for your last question regarding your location, feel free to send me a PM.

Best,
Jason (TDI)

Thanks Jason.

TDI Driver,

I assumed that Mirage was up to something when I saw
the Omnis for sale at crutchfield and vann's for 50% off!
I wonder how independent B&M guys can compete with that?
Doubtful.
I am enjoying the Omni 350s but don't feel that they are $600 speakers.
They are probably worth the less than $400 when compared to ID offerings.
And they are a hell of a deal at $300.

b4z,

Funny when the promo at V & C started mid-summer, there was no indication at all that the line was being discontinued (I even inquired about that possibility). Now all of the sudden that is a different story. Yes, there was no way for us to compete with that deal, and in fact I haven't sold a pair since it began, but now that they are discontinued, it forces us to match the price just to get out from under what's in stock. At those prices, we actually would not be making a dime. I guess now that they have officially been tagged as "discontinued" I can sell them to anyone so I'm taking orders.

Happy listening,
TDI

Have you tried crutchfield's and vann's for the mounts?

i got the same thing you are considering without the sub for $560.

I am going to post a mini review as soon as I have the time.

So far the 350s have a tad more bass than I am used to, somewhat overripe, but not boomy.
They seem to have pretty good detail, but are lacking some air and extension.
I think that they may have more detail in some respects than my $2500
M3s and 350s only cost $300!!

b4z, I am thinking of going with the Omni's on sale. From your experience so far with them do you think they would fit my needs? I am after a clean, neutral, revealing but full sound with a good 3D soundstage and non-fatiguing highs for 2 channel music especially and good HT performance overall (probably add an HSU or S8 sub for HT if needed). Thanks for any insight.

Have you tried crutchfield's and vann's for the mounts?

i got the same thing you are considering without the sub for $560.

I am going to post a mini review as soon as I have the time.

So far the 350s have a tad more bass than I am used to, somewhat overripe, but not boomy.
They seem to have pretty good detail, but are lacking some air and extension.
I think that they may have more detail in some respects than my $2500
M3s and 350s only cost $300!!

What are your thoughts on the C150 center and the 150's? Im really tempted to skip going with 350 or 550's for the fronts, and use 150's for my front and rears with a C150 center and a HSU sub... Since you have some experience with the Omni series, what are your thoughts?

cheers
.josh.

My 350, 150, C150 set came in this morning.
I have them placed but not hooked up because the 350s won't accept bananas.
I think the 350s are the righht size. They are signicantly smaller than the M3s and
the 550s would have been too large since I am trying to deemphasize my system..
Here are some pics to show the amazing size difference:

Excuse the mess in the 1st pic, we had just drywalled the room and where putting it back together.

The 350s do accept bananas. You have to unscrew and remove the small black or red plastic things that are in the hole where the clip would go. I thought the same thing until I found out to remove the plastic.

I've had my 350s for fronts, 150s on the sides and the C150 for a center running for about two weeks now with my new Harman Kardon receiver and it sounds great. I haven't optimized the sound at all because of the recommended 100 hour break in period, but I can't wait. These speakers were definitely the right choice for me. I'm sitting here listening to Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" and it's never sounded better....at least not until I get a chance to optimize.

Thinking of getting the OmniCan's (5 or 6) for my surrounds in basment HT. Any comments or experience with these? Thx.

ersatz,

Thanks, I suspected that those things would pop out but was in a hurry and didn't investigate.

Mine are starting to sound more focused as the hours go by. I have about 20-25 hrs on thm now.

efjay and joshish,

I was out of town yesterday so didn't get to your questions.

350s are a buy at $300. pr.
I am enjoying these speakers and they are not fatiguing in the least.
The 2 areas where I could see some improvement are in the treble and there is still a little overripe or slightly boosted feeling to the bass.
These speakers don't need a sub cause they go pretty low but I may buy a sub to take the bass away from the 350s and let the sub do the job.
I did put the plugs in the 2 ports at the rear of the speakers but the bass went away. So I took them out.
The spikes are mandatory.
My speakers fronts are 2' from the wall, i think if i could move them to 3' away some of this extra bass would go away.
I am still amazed out how much 2 5.5" woofers can put out.
These speakers really fill the room with sound and I am a fan of the omnidirectional sound.
The 350s have a great soundstage by themselves, and with the C150 and the 150s it has an incredible soundfield. Very uniform.
There is a good bit of detail w/ these inexpensive speakers. I don't hear the last bit of extension but you hear the sticking on the hi hats and cymbals and they can show the spread of a ride cymbal.
rimshots are not quite as dramatic. There is part on Sting's All this time DVD where Manu' Katche' does a rimshot and pulls his drumstick off the drum so that it will ring out.
They don't ring like my Mirage M3s did on this part.
On this DVD Sting can be sibilent at times and they take the edge off of this.
i suspect some dulling of the transients and they may be rollling off in the 15KHz range.
Also brushwork doesn't come through as clearly.
Voices and acoustic guitar are represented very very well. Fantastic on Keb Mo's acoustic guitar.
I really like the presentation of this speakers, I could listen to them for days and not get tired. They don't do anything that annoys me, other than some errors of omission I just mentioned.
they also do rock very well. Listened to Back in Black-sounded terrific.
I would recommend that anyone try them out and ship them back if they don't fit your needs.
However, if you do like a speaker that has a lot of energy in the treble region these are probably not for you.

joshish,

that would probably work pretty well.
With the plugs out of the ports on the 150s they will go down to 55Hz, so you should get good integration with the sub. And save $150.
I listened to James Taylor's "Gaia" on SACD in surround this morning, and the 150s, acting as surrounds handled the loud toms very well 3:10 into the song.

joshish,

that would probably work pretty well.
With the plugs out of the ports on the 150s they will go down to 55Hz, so you should get good integration with the sub. And save $150.
I listened to James Taylor's "Gaia" on SACD in surround this morning, and the 150s, acting as surrounds handled the loud toms very well 3:10 into the song.
After reading through this thread, I was thinking of buying 4 150s and the center for my new HT (5.1). Given that I don't listen to much music, I was thinking this might work out better for me since I can mount all the speakers to the wall and not have to worry about my 11 month old climbling the 350/550s in front.

Any reason I should reconsider and go for the 350s or 550s in front instead. The extra couple hundred dollars is not really an issue. Also, I assume I need to buy a sub with either setup, but if anyone has any comments on that, I would be glad to hear them.

Thanks.

b4z thanks for the response, sounds like a good fit for my needs.

dgaies,

The 350s are pretty narrow and don't have much footprint, especially with the spikes.
They would be easily knocked over.

The 550s are 3" wider and heavier so they are probably more stable.



The 150s should work well as your left, right, left surround, right surround.

joshish,

that would probably work pretty well.
With the plugs out of the ports on the 150s they will go down to 55Hz, so you should get good integration with the sub. And save $150.
I listened to James Taylor's "Gaia" on SACD in surround this morning, and the 150s, acting as surrounds handled the loud toms very well 3:10 into the song.

b4z,

Thanks for your insight, you've been more then helpful. After considering my space issues, and reading your reviews, I am leaning toward a 350, C150, 150 setup. I talked with my girlfriend and she doesn't mind the 350's footprint or overall size, so it seems the way to go. I'm going to sleep on it tonight, and tomorrow at lunch make the call.

Thanks again,
.josh.

joshish,

i looked at both the 350 and 550 and the normal reaction would be for me to go with the larger speaker because of bass, etc.(only $100 more)
But as I thought about it I felt that a 5.5" speaker would have a better midrange than a 6.5" speaker. And knowing that Mirages have traditionally had a slightly recessed midrange and are more to the warm, lush side of voicing, it made me go with the 350.
I think I chose correctly.
Because in my opinion vocals are better on these speakers than the $2500 M3s.

Form factor:
Everybody who has seen them loves the size.

lastly, they do justice to both male and female voices.
From Norah Jones to Keb' Mo'.
It is something you notice the second they come on.

dgaies,

The 350s are pretty narrow and don't have much footprint, especially with the spikes.
They would be easily knocked over.

The 550s are 3" wider and heavier so they are probably more stable.



The 150s should work well as your left, right, left surround, right surround.


If I didn't mind drilling a couple holes in the speakers themselves, do you think it would be ok to secure the towers to the wall with brackets, provided they were long enough to keep enough distance between the rear ports and the back wall?

dgaies,

These are pretty inexpensive speakers so if you are okay with doing that I am sure it would work.

1-2)I put my cell phone and port plug beside the 150 so you guys could see
the size of this speaker.
3)Also pic of the 350 with both upper and lower grille removed.
4)And a pic of the spikes on the 350.

b4z,

I swear the dog in the first picture looks exactly like a picture we have of our black lab. How does he like the 150/350s? :)

This is a better pic of the 150.
It blends in better and looks smaller here:

He's a black lab doberman mix. Good dog, but very protective, we worry about him sometimes.
He likes the 350s, they are so much smaller than the M3s that when it thunders outside he can get behind the couch quicker. LOL.

And they are ordered! A month of searching and reading hundreds of articles and posts is over. On Friday I should have a complete (for now) stereo system!!!

Ended up with Mirage Omni 350 (L/R), C150 (center), and 150 (rear surrounds) to hook up to my new Harman/Kardon AVR-347. Now off to Home Depot for some speaker wire, and then the search begins for some good banana plugs.

Thanks again to all who helped me, both directly and by reading your posts. I can't wait !!!

cheers
.josh.

You don't need or even want banana plugs unless
- you're plugging and unplugging regularly, or
- it's hard to reach the terminals on the receiver or speaker

A good option if you want them:
GLS Safe Connect (http://www.speakerrepair.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=safe_connect)

And they are ordered! A month of searching and reading hundreds of articles and posts is over. On Friday I should have a complete (for now) stereo system!!!

Ended up with Mirage Omni 350 (L/R), C150 (center), and 150 (rear surrounds) to hook up to my new Harman/Kardon AVR-347. Now off to Home Depot for some speaker wire, and then the search begins for some good banana plugs.

Thanks again to all who helped me, both directly and by reading your posts. I can't wait !!!

cheers
.josh.

I use these bananas on my 550/C150/150 setup with Blue Jeans 10ga wire, they are great at a super price.

http://www.speakerrepair.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=locking

And they are ordered! A month of searching and reading hundreds of articles and posts is over. On Friday I should have a complete (for now) stereo system!!!

Ended up with Mirage Omni 350 (L/R), C150 (center), and 150 (rear surrounds) to hook up to my new Harman/Kardon AVR-347. Now off to Home Depot for some speaker wire, and then the search begins for some good banana plugs.

Thanks again to all who helped me, both directly and by reading your posts. I can't wait !!!

cheers
.josh.


I have the exact setup except I have the 247 instead of the 347 and a Yamaha sub. You're going to love these speakers!

Congrats!

Give us your inital impressions after your first turn them on.
I'm always interested to know if others have the same impression
of a speaker as I.

It seems most people want pumped up treble and I am the opposite.

I use these bananas ...One thing to check is how long they are given the space you have, some plugs are really big.

Another vote for the Om-C2. It is an excellent center speaker. I have had the Mirage Omni CC, the Rocket Bigfoot, Ascend CMT-340 SE and wharfedale diamond center. I like the OM-C2 by a wide margin. Give it enough room to breath though.


Hey guys I have the om10's.You all said the OM-C3 OR OM-C2 would match perfectly.Looks like they are hard to find.If I can't find those.What mirage center that is currently made would work.Or should I just keep my polk center.Thanks:)

Hello buddahead,

I just sent you a PM. I have a OM-C2 for sale.

~J

Hi all... Just have all 5 new OMNI speakers arrived yesterday - very excited! I have 550 as fronts, 350 as surround, and C-150 as center. The first thing I notice was the plastic housing for the tweeter - really not sure about that. Hopefully it won't have any negative impact on the sound quality. Beside that, all of them have very good build quality for that price IMO. Too bad I can't test it right out. What I did yesterday night was order a receiver (Sony ES STR-DA5200ES) and Mirage S-8 subwoofer too. But right after I send the order out - I was thinking, do I need the subwoofer to begin with? I don't have a chance to test the new set yet - since I still don't the receiver with me... and I wonder:

1: did I just ordered something that unnecessary? :confused:
2: did I made a right chose? $350 S-8 is pretty hard to swallow already IMO... :p
3: is DA5200 ES a good match? It is on sale now (budget issuer...LOL).... I was eying Onkyo 705... but Sony does has bigger power and nicer GUI...
4: so far I am targeting 5.1 setup. Would love to go to 7.1 but there a lot extra $ I need to make it works (need additional outlet to run the speaker wires - meaning new wall plugs and a lot of crawl space time). Is it worthed in general? If so, a pair of OMNI 150 or another pair of 350? I have 12' (w) x 15' (d) x 8' (h) room as my AV area... 50% movie, 20% TV, 20% xbox, 10% music


Any advise will be nice... thanks in advance.... will post picture once it is all done!

Fisrt of all, congrats on your new setup! This is not expert advise so do with it what you want.

The first thing I notice was the plastic cover of the tweets - really not sure about that. Hopefully it won't have any negative impact on the sound quality.

Is the plastic cover over the tweeters that you are talking about the omnipolar guide? If so, this is what Mirage uses to disperse the sound from the speaker in a 360 degree pattern to reflect more sound from the walls. It is what gives the Mirage speakers a distinctive sound, some like it, others hate it.

1: did I just ordered something that unnecessary?
2: did I made a right chose? $350 S-8 is pretty hard to swallow already IMO...

Where did you order the sub from? Depending on room size you may want to step up to the Omni S10, and if so, return the S8 or cancel the order.

4: so far I am targeting 5.1 setup. Would love to go to 7.1 but there a lot extra $ I need to make it works (need additional outlet to run the speaker wires - meaning new wall plugs and a lot of crawl space time). Is it worthed in general? If so, a pair of OMNI 150 or another pair of 350? I have 12' (w) x 15' (d) x 8' (h) room as my AV area... 50% movie, 20% TV, 20% xbox, 10% music.

You can pick up the Omni 150s as side surrounds to round out the 7.1 or return the 350s and pick up 4 150s as these will work just fine for surround duty. You don't really need the 350s as rears if mainly using it for movies/tv/games.

Otherwise enjoy what you have.

I took the plastic thing off that was on the tweeter. it wasn't mentioned in the manual, but couldn't see how any sound would come out of the tweeter without removing it.

You have a small room. 12X15. Would 7.1 be too much in there?

I took the plastic thing off that was on the tweeter. it wasn't mentioned in the manual, but couldn't see how any sound would come out of the tweeter without removing it.

You have a small room. 12X15. Would 7.1 be too much in there?

I was talking about the arm that extent out... would love to see if it is made by some solid metal...

About the 5.1 to 7.1.... Good point.... ahahha... save me more $! ;)

Or...maybe later......

Is the plastic cover over the tweeters that you are talking about the omnipolar guide? If so, this is what Mirage uses to disperse the sound from the speaker in a 360 degree pattern to reflect more sound from the walls. It is what gives the Mirage speakers a distinctive sound, some like it, others hate it.


Yes, I am talking about the Omnipolar arm (not the small clear plastic protection cap). I just hope that is made by some nicer heavier metal. Basically I don't have any problem to have a reflective sound... it is a great idea, and it make the speaker look very very high end...

S-10? Hmmm... I am pretty sure it will be better to have a 10" than 8". I will try it out first and see how things come along.

Thanks for the advice!

joshish,

Did your OMnis come in Friday?

Hi guys, I been reding this forum for the last couple of weeks and heard the term newbie quiet allot. Well I leave it up to you guys to create a new term for me because I know nothing about sound, except that I want one. This is waht I'm thinking, tell me if I'm wrong. My budget is $1000 -$1200

1)Yamaha RX-V661 receiver
2) four mirage OMNI 150 for front and back
3)mirage OMNI C150 for center
4)do I need a subwoofer

Thanks

Hi cbecerra13 and welcome to the forum. It is a good system you are picking out but you certainly need a subwoofer to round the system out. The Omni 150s are satisfactory in the bass response for a small room, casual listening, 2-channel audio system, in my opinion, but to get the full impact for theater use, a sub is a must. If you want to stay in the Mirage family of products, an Omni S8 would be a good starting point.

Hope this helps and best of luck putting your system together.

Thought I would add my $0.02.

I have the High Definition Theater Series (MSRP $1250ea for LCR, and $2200 for rear pair)
I worked at a Mirage dealer back in 1999 when i bought them and got them right at about 50% off. At the time they were Mirage's best speaker package. I was trying to chosse between saving my money and getting the OMC3 or these. Went with these.
I noticed they stayed on the Mirage website up until this year! So they obviously manufactured them for quite a while.

Anyone else bought these speakers?

I think they sound great and still use them several times a week.

I have been thinking about going to a two channel only system in our den and looking at the current Mirage offering, I will be looking at something else....Maybe B&W 804S or Martin Logan Purity.

But the HDT Series has been a hard worker in my house with exceptional results.

an Omni S8 would be a good starting point.It's a nice sub but at $399 it seems the wrong choice for people getting the Omni line. They can get a good sub for a lot less.

Thanks for the repply guys. I know where I can get the receiver at a good price, however it seem that not to many online stores carried the mirage OMNI 150 speakers. Crutchfield does not have them, the only conpany online that I could find was: vanns.com for $140 a pair:
Anyone familiar with this online store: should I pull the triger as you guys are fun of saying. And I will add the subwoofer since I do want the theater sound.


Thanks

150s sold out a crutchfied. Hmmmm.
i ordered a 2nd pair by mistake and was going to send them back, but
maybe I'll sell 'em to a friend, or put them in the vacation home.

It's a nice sub but at $399 it seems the wrong choice for people getting the Omni line. They can get a good sub for a lot less.

Agreed that a good sub could be had for less. Just a top-of-my-head suggestion if they wanted to stick in the Mirage line. Some buyers seem to want to stay with the same brand sub for some reason. Also, the US MSRP is $349 (unless something changed and my rep is slipping :)) but still more than someone else's sub.

Wonder why discounts are hard to find on the S8 and S10?
I guess they are still popular.

Mirage speakers from their current lines aren't usually discounted (except when the dealer makes a deal), and the S8 and S10 are I think still considered part of the current line.

You're right, TDI, the S8 is $350.

vanns.com for $140 a pair:
Anyone familiar with this online store: Vanns is one of a short list of stores that I'd recommend. Customer service is generally good. And free shipping, a big difference with heavy stuff like speakers.

Two places to look for comments on stores:
PriceGrabber (http://reviews.pricegrabber.com/vannscom/r/503/m/47856428/)
ResellerRatings (http://www.resellerratings.com/store/Vann_s)

Just keep in mind that negatives are over-represented, since people want to vent when there's a problem.

After 2 weeks of wait, finally everything arrived. Spend a weekend to put them all together, and here is my 5.1 set up:

Front: OMNI 550 - new
rare: OMNI 350- new
Center: C150- new
Sub:S-8- new
Receiver: Sony 5200ES- new
DVD player: Xbox 360 + HD-Player - old
TV turner: HD TIVO - new
Digital music server: Roku M1001 - new
TV:Panasonic TH-50PX500U - old
Remote: Harmony 880 Remote - old
Room size: 16' (D) x 12' (W) x 8' (H) - listening area only

The speaker boxes is big, and well protected. There are few holes in my 550's box due to the shipping; but nothing missing or damage at all - well packaging. The S-8 on the other hand was badly done - all the form inside are broken and box is kind of deformed - but luckily there wasn't any damage. The speaker is lighter than I expected. The finishes is fine - not great great like the other higher end line. The each speaker cone has some kind of Fiber Glass like material and it is almost like B&W products - very modern and nice looking speakers - a lot better than any picture that I seen online.

So, after closely inspected each of them, I begin to hook them up with my 5200ES. Took me a while to get all the HDMI and all the input going. The GUI of 5200es is nice but painful to call out by the remote. After running automatic speaker configuration by Sony, with a little personal touch - the speaker sound FANTASTIC!!! At first I was complain a bit on the base performance before I hook up the S-8 (the sub came 1 day later)... but once all the piece fall into a right place... it perform VERY VERY nice. The high and mid is clear and well separated. The sweet sport is large; but yet still retains a very good tones separation. The bass is tight and accurate without over kill. The S-8 seems work well with all the speakers. This setup even work well with MP3s - I mean, even for some typical 44kps compressed crap... it sounds pretty good. Can't wait to see the sound result of SACD - too bad I don't have any media or player. It is for sure not the best speakers out there - but the ratio of performance and $ is very very high - it is a lot better than that I expected!

Kind of off topic - if anyone want to connect your music from PC to your sound system wirelessly, I highly recommend Roku M1001! Easy to hook up with a lot of options - both coaxial and optical inputs are available!

See picts below! :D

achung123,

Nice modern and clean set up. The 550s are so much larger than the 350s even though they only measure 3" wider. I am glad I got the smaller 350s. And in your fairly large space the 350s look perfect as surrounds.
Bang for the buck I don't think there is anything out there that can outperform them, esepcially with the closeout deals on the Omnis.

Hey folks... I've got a pair of M5si speakers that I'm looking to sell. They're in good condition with posts added (by the original owner) for bi-wiring. Anyone know what these things would go for these days?

Thanks b4z! I agree with you 100% - 550s is a lot bigger in size. I just wish that it is heavier. 35lb is really not even close to impressive. So far the setting working out ok. Need some fine tune in my remote.

achung123,

Since Mirage is closing out the Omni line I wish that they would take the 350's formw/ no changes, double the thickness of the cabinet put 2 5.5" woofers in the front, 1 4.5" woofer/mid in the top w/ the tweeter. And of course they would use their best drivers and tweeters. It would be like their current V line tower but would go deeper in bass, since those only have 4.5" woofers.

Yeah, it would be nice if they do what you suggest on 550 too. I have to say the other higher end line does have a lot better cabinet finishes and hardware. Both 550 and 350 looks very nice from a distance (and preform very well); but surely there is the different between $1200 and $200 a piece of speaker. BTW, 550 is running out... Thinking I should add $ to upgrade my center - C150 is a bit weak... i have push 3db more just try to keep up with the 550 in 5.1 sound. Anyone here have the same situation (i wouldn't call it a problem...)?

Thinking I should add $ to upgrade my center - C150 is a bit weak... i have push 3db more just try to keep up with the 550 in 5.1 sound. Anyone here have the same situation (i wouldn't call it a problem...)?

Achung123

What do you mean by weak?

Do you mean very little sound from the center?

I am just getting ready to set up my 550's and I have it from a great source that the Omni-C150 is very good with these speakers.

Please provide more detail.

Jim

Jim_In_Boston,

The c150 is voiced to go with the 150, 350 and 550 but it is a physically smaller speaker with smaller drivers and needs to be pushed a little harder to keep up.
It sounds fine to me, better than the first Mirage CC I bought in '92.
better detail, less harsh treble, etc.
So the sound quality is fine and it is timbre matched as close as it can be, but
you need to turn the center up a few dbs. Nothing wrong with that.

Achung123

What do you mean by weak?

Do you mean very little sound from the center?



What I mean was I need to use more power to drive it in order to produce the same output to match 550s. What I did was increase the output by 3db (can push as much as 10 db different on any given channel). I think C150 is a good speaker - very clear in voice respond in movie setting.

Good luck with your setup, and please send picts too.

I'm thinking about this 6.1 set-up: OMD-5 L/R, OMD C1, Omnican6 x 3, + HSU sub (which I currently own).

any experience out there with OMD-5 speakers? searching these forums doesn't turn up much. or folks that have installed the omnicans as surrounds? thanks much. --rowdy

I'm thinking about this 6.1 set-up: OMD-5 L/R, OMD C1, Omnican6 x 3, + HSU sub (which I currently own).

any experience out there with OMD-5 speakers? searching these forums doesn't turn up much. or folks that have installed the omnicans as surrounds? thanks much. --rowdy

No experience with the OMD-5's, but I have two Omnican 6's that I hope to get installed this week. I went with two for now for side surrounds. If I like them, and I suspect I will as I have a complete Omnisat v2 system for a secondary system, I'll add two more for rears. My mains are Mirage M760's purchased in 1989; sub is a Mirage S-12. I'm currently using an Omnisat v2 CC for my center, but I'll be replacing it with an Energy RC-LCR. The Omnisat center is quite good, but too much of a mismatch for my M760's. The Energy will be a much better match.
In-ceiling surrounds are the best option for me based on the floor plan of my house.

No experience with the OMD-5's, but I have two Omnican 6's that I hope to get installed this week. I went with two for now for side surrounds. If I like them, and I suspect I will as I have a complete Omnisat v2 system for a secondary system, I'll add two more for rears. My mains are Mirage M760's purchased in 1989; sub is a Mirage S-12. I'm currently using an Omnisat v2 CC for my center, but I'll be replacing it with an Energy RC-LCR. The Omnisat center is quite good, but too much of a mismatch for my M760's. The Energy will be a much better match.
In-ceiling surrounds are the best option for me based on the floor plan of my house.

Thanks, you'll have to let us know how those omnicans sound hanging like bats from your ceiling!

I've got a question for OM-5 owners. What frquency level do you have your 5's set on for music. I'm talking about the frequency level adjustment on the back of the speakers.
Thanks,
Brian

I have ordered a pair of the new (as in brand new: only available since Nov 15) Omni 150 bookshelves. They were only $140, so I will be very interested in how they sound. I doubt that these will become my primary speakers, but I enjoy variety. If I really like them, I might get a set of floorstanders from the same product line.

I just recently have been introduced to Mirage speakers and do not know too much about them. Have read this thread but have not determined if these are considered to be a quality speaker.

Can anyone share your experiences with Mirage and more specifically tell me if what I am trying to put together is a good setup?

I am in the process of buying a complete system: speakers, receiver, tv, etc. Any advise or things I should avoid please let me know.

Speakers that I am looking at buying:

Mirage OmniSat V2 CC (center)
Mirage OmniSat v2 FS (towers) x 2
Mirage S10 Powered Subwoofer
Mirage OmniCan 6 (surround in ceiling) x 2

I was amazed by the quality construction and at the fullness of the sound (especially from the tower speakers compared to the satellite speakers), but have never heard of Mirage before. The OmniCan ceiling speakers blew me away as well.

What are your thoughts on Mirage speakers - quality, reliability, etc.? They sounded great at the store. I heard they are produced by Klipsch or were bought out by Klipsch.

Do you have any receiver recommendations that would pair great with these speakers?

I appreciate all the feedback in advance. Thanks.

As far as the basic / generic questions about Mirage and these speakers:
http://www.google.com/search?q=mirage+omnisat+v2+review

I just recently have been introduced to Mirage speakers and do not know too much about them. Have read this thread but have not determined if these are considered to be a quality speaker.

Can anyone share your experiences with Mirage and more specifically tell me if what I am trying to put together is a good setup?

I am in the process of buying a complete system: speakers, receiver, tv, etc. Any advise or things I should avoid please let me know.

Speakers that I am looking at buying:

Mirage OmniSat V2 CC (center)
Mirage OmniSat v2 FS (towers) x 2
Mirage S10 Powered Subwoofer
Mirage OmniCan 6 (surround in ceiling) x 2

I was amazed by the quality construction and at the fullness of the sound (especially from the tower speakers compared to the satellite speakers), but have never heard of Mirage before. The OmniCan ceiling speakers blew me away as well.

What are your thoughts on Mirage speakers - quality, reliability, etc.? They sounded great at the store. I heard they are produced by Klipsch or were bought out by Klipsch.

Do you have any receiver recommendations that would pair great with these speakers?

I appreciate all the feedback in advance. Thanks.


As I posted above, I have a pair of M760 floorstanders purchased in 1989; still going strong.
I have the Omnisat v2 floorstanders and an S10 sub in a second system here. Sound terrific.
I got my two Omnican 6's installed today, but still waiting for UPS to deliver my wire (only thing I could find here were 500ft. spools, so I ordered on-line).
I'm very pleased with the Mirage sound and quality.

I have ordered a pair of the new (as in brand new: only available since Nov 15) Omni 150 bookshelves. They were only $140, so I will be very interested in how they sound.

New? Those have been around for a while now and are cheap only because they are being discontinued. Why would you think they were new?

I just recently have been introduced to Mirage speakers and do not know too much about them. Have read this thread but have not determined if these are considered to be a quality speaker.

Can anyone share your experiences with Mirage and more specifically tell me if what I am trying to put together is a good setup?

I have the original Omni line that I bought a couple of years ago and am very happy with them. To me they had the best sound out of the speakers that I listened to in the same price range. They are also a good quality speaker from a respected company. API is the parent company of Mirage and they also produce Energy and Athena Technologies, but API was bought by Klipsch a while ago.

The Omnisat line is a good speaker but a bit of a compromise due to the slim design. If this is the type of speaker you are looking for though, it is a good choice. If you were looking for a more traditional floorstander, the newish Omni line is being discounted at half off retail at online retailers such as Vann's and Crutchfied.

The main opinion that matters about your purchase is you, though. If you like the sound of the system, then by all means, pick it up and enjoy!

Thanks, you'll have to let us know how those omnicans sound hanging like bats from your ceiling!

Nah, no bats. :D
Got the Omnican 6's wired and working. Major difference between 3.1 and 5.1 as I'm sure you can imagine.
The Omnicans sound terrific; they really fill things in. VERY pleased here.

Nah, no bats. :D
Got the Omnican 6's wired and working. Major difference between 3.1 and 5.1 as I'm sure you can imagine.
The Omnicans sound terrific; they really fill things in. VERY pleased here.
good to hear it. thanks for letting us know.

i need to decide between 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1... and I'd use omnican6 for all surrounds & rear. based on your experience w/ 5.1 w/ these speakers, do you feel there's much additional benefit of adding more speakers? so they fill in as "area fill" quite nicely w/ only two speakers?

thanks again!

good to hear it. thanks for letting us know.

i need to decide between 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1... and I'd use omnican6 for all surrounds & rear. based on your experience w/ 5.1 w/ these speakers, do you feel there's much additional benefit of adding more speakers? so they fill in as "area fill" quite nicely w/ only two speakers?

thanks again!

Yep, with just the two for side surrounds they're great. I'm also trying to decide whether to add two more for rears for 7.1. I really don't know just how much more rears add. Keep watching this thread. If I add more I'll post my results.

New? Those have been around for a while now and are cheap only because they are being discontinued. Why would you think they were new?

Oops, I read it wrong! They are exactly one year old. Not brand new after all, but still very new.

Ordered two more Omnican 6 for rear surrounds. I'll post results when I get them installed (should be a few days).

Jack, congrats on your Omnican purchases and appreciate the feedback. With 4 in suround duty you will have an impressive, and immense, rear channel stage - very cool! Best wishes for the holidays and happy listening.
TDI (Jason)

Thanks TDI, and the same to you and yours.
The Omnicans are doing a really nice job.
Next up will very possibly be Energy RC-70's to replace my beloved M760's. While they still sound amazingly good considering their age, I suspect they lost a bit over the years. The RC-70's look like just the thing to replace them.

Look forward to your impressions if you decide to make the switch from your classic M760's. From the RC line of floorstanders we decided to bring in only the RC-50's, but that may change next year. The 50's are a very impressive speaker; a real pleasure to kick back and listen to. With the addition of a midrange on the RC-70's, I can only imagine . . . .

I know, I know everyone, this isn't the Energy thread.

Now back on topic. I am very interested in what Mirage has coming at January's CES. While no word has leaked yet, I'm sure they have something new coming out especially with the Omni series being closed out. If I find anything out, I'll post it here first.

Thanks TDI. I've also considered the OMD-15's. I have the Omnisat v2 floorstanders for a second system. In that room, which is smallish, they sound terrific. But I'm concerned that the Omni design, even with the larger OMD-15, might not work as well for my main system, which is in a much larger room with an open floor plan. One of the things I'm planning on is to hook up the Omnisats to the main system and see how they do.

I currently have a Mirage UNI for L/C/R paired with two Omnisat V2's for surround and a Mirage S10 sub. The UNI. while very high on the WAF, isn't filling the room as much as I'd like. So I'm considering replacing it with either two Mirage Omnisat V2 FS's and a Omnisat v2 center or with a pair of the OMD-5 Satellites and the OMD C-1 center. I'm leaning towards the entire V2 setup as I believe the FS's will provide a fuller sound than the OMD-5's. Unfortunately I there isn't anywhere local I can demo the OMD line of speakers. Does anyone who have listened to both have any input to assist my decision?

Thanks

Sorry to dig this up, however I was just introduced to Mirage as a possibility for my new setup. I was floored by the sound! I sampled some of my own music at work (In the MHT studio room) on the Omnisat V2 FS amd Martin Logan Dynamo sub.. I listened to a movie with the V2 CC and the V2 Sats. Aside from needing to wait until January to order black Sats, I am stoked at the thought of these speakers. They sounded very crisp and clean. Much better than anything I have heard in a long time (I scrapped the idea of Viennas. I can't afford those!!)

I am hoping to get them after the holidays, piece by piece, starting with the Center and floor standers. They look real sharp, and the sound is incredible, especially at my cost!

I am still toying around with sub ideas. The Dynamo is a great sounding sub, and it sounded great with the speakers, but I am not sure if I would be better off with the Mirage sub or not (I forget the model)..

Oh well.. Just wanted to toss my two cents in.. Another Mirage convert! (And he company name is bad ass too!)

Martin Logan does make great subs.
Congrats on your Mirage decision.

Sorry to dig this up, however I was just introduced to Mirage as a possibility for my new setup. I was floored by the sound! I sampled some of my own music at work (In the MHT studio room) on the Omnisat V2 FS amd Martin Logan Dynamo sub.. I listened to a movie with the V2 CC and the V2 Sats. Aside from needing to wait until January to order black Sats, I am stoked at the thought of these speakers. They sounded very crisp and clean. Much better than anything I have heard in a long time (I scrapped the idea of Viennas. I can't afford those!!)

I am hoping to get them after the holidays, piece by piece, starting with the Center and floor standers. They look real sharp, and the sound is incredible, especially at my cost!

I am still toying around with sub ideas. The Dynamo is a great sounding sub, and it sounded great with the speakers, but I am not sure if I would be better off with the Mirage sub or not (I forget the model)..

Oh well.. Just wanted to toss my two cents in.. Another Mirage convert! (And he company name is bad ass too!)

I have the Omnisat v2 floorstanders and center in a second system. Excellent sound. I have 4 sats that I may use for the presence channels on my Yammie RX-V3800 for my main system and for a second zone for music in the master bedroom.
BTW, I've had my 4 Omnicans in for a few weeks now, and i did indeed go with the Energy RC-70's for mains. I'm still breaking in the RC-70's, but so far I'm VERY pleased.
My main system is now:
RC-70's for mains
RC-LCR for center
Omnican 6's for side and rear surrounds
Mirage S12 for sub

This might be a stupid question, but I was wondering about the foam plugs that come with the Omni series (350 and C150). Does anyone use them and under what circumstances? My setup is such that the 350 and C150 speakers are pretty much up against the wall and I was wondering if using the plugs would help.

With no plugs and without using a crossover on the receiver, the bass sounds a little weird (I wish I had a better word to describe it, maybe muddy?). So I set the crossover in the receiver to 60 Hz and actually set the front/center to "small" and it sounded much “cleaner”. I am just wondering if I am defeating the purpose of having larger speakers vs satellites in the front/center by not sending them anything below 60Hz signal. Also, if it is relevant, my surrounds are Omnisat Micros and the sub is an S10.

This might be a stupid question, but I was wondering about the foam plugs that come with the Omni series (350 and C150). Does anyone use them and under what circumstances? My setup is such that the 350 and C150 speakers are pretty much up against the wall and I was wondering if using the plugs would help.

With no plugs and without using a crossover on the receiver, the bass sounds a little weird (I wish I had a better word to describe it, maybe muddy?). So I set the crossover in the receiver to 60 Hz and actually set the front/center to "small" and it sounded much “cleaner”. I am just wondering if I am defeating the purpose of having larger speakers vs satellites in the front/center by not sending them anything below 60Hz signal. Also, if it is relevant, my surrounds are Omnisat Micros and the sub is an S10.

The foam plugs are exactly for that purpose, to tailor the bass response when placed against a wall or in the corner. Using them usually gentlely roll of the bass of the speaker

If your receiver allows it, you could set a lower crossover for the fronts and the higher one for the rears. But you should always use "small" because you don't want the main speakers to overlap the bass from the sub. For your speakers, either 60 or 80Hz for the crossover. 80Hz is probably a safer bet but 60Hz should work too (the blending in the rears won't be as smooth, but it's something you may never notice)

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm pretty sure I can't set different crossovers for different speakers. (It's a Yamaha RX-V661, if anyone happens to have one and knows differently).

Yeah, I guess I just wanted to make sure that by using the plugs and setting the fronts to small I wasn't "missing out" on anything. But I guess if it sounds better/cleaner, that's what's important. I'll just play with the settings to see if 60Hz or 80Hz sounds better. Thanks again.

With no plugs and without using a crossover on the receiver, the bass sounds a little weird (I wish I had a better word to describe it, maybe muddy?). So I set the crossover in the receiver to 60 Hz and actually set the front/center to "small" and it sounded much “cleaner”.That's all what you'd expect. You should be using a crossover.

But - try taking the plugs back out, once you have the crossover set, and give it another listen both ways. I am just wondering if I am defeating the purpose of having larger speakers vs satellites in the front/center by not sending them anything below 60Hz signal.No, you get a much fuller sound out of the bigger speakers, even above 60hz. The micros really onlyg go down to about 120 or so. And you can get a lot more output (sound level) out of the bigger speakers. Also, not sending them the low bass takes a lot of strain off your amp (since the sub amp handles the power-hungry low frequencies) and to some degree the speakers.

I am probably the remotest thing to an audiophile but I recently purchased the Omnisat v2 FS and S8 subwoofer from Crutchfield since they threw in the v2 CC for free. While not as good a deal as the 350s at 50% off, I went with the v2 since they seem to be made of better materials (I don't want to buy another speaker system for at least 10 years) and the v2 came in Silver (to match my Silver finish Panny plasma and the fact that dust is less noticeable on a Silver finish than a Black). I already have 4 Nanosats as rear and surround speakers in my 7.1 system. I am hoping I don't have to spend another 1K on Omnisat v2 surrounds.

Also I've read that Omnidirectional technology may not be that great with center channel speakers. What are your thoughts on that? I bought the Nanosats 6 months ago to replace the PSB surrounds I had since I read that Omnidirectional technology was better in surround speakers and I was never that happy with my surrounds. That seems to be the case, at least for me, as I think I get better surround sound with the Nanosats. However I would be bummed if that advantage was nullified by a weaker response from my center channel.

It's very dependent on the size of your room and the way things are setup, and your own preferences. The only way to know will be to set it up and try it.

Your receiver probably has a way to adjust the volume of the various speakers, you ought to be able to adjust the center relative to the others and get it to where you want it.

Also I've read that Omnidirectional technology may not be that great with center channel speakers. What are your thoughts on that? I bought the Nanosats 6 months ago to replace the PSB surrounds I had since I read that Omnidirectional technology was better in surround speakers and I was never that happy with my surrounds. That seems to be the case, at least for me, as I think I get better surround sound with the Nanosats. However I would be bummed if that advantage was nullified by a weaker response from my center channel.

http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=609700&highlight=mirage

I liked the cc, see my second post down in the link above.

Oops, I read it wrong! They are exactly one year old. Not brand new after all, but still very new.

I got the Omni 150s, and I am very impressed. I have never heard imaging like that, and the bass is hard to believe for the size. I find myself preferring them over substantially more expensive speakers.

Aren't the 150s all sold out now?
i don't see them at vanns or crutchfield anymore.

Aren't the 150s all sold out now?
i don't see them at vanns or crutchfield anymore.

Apparently so. The floorstanders are still available (at half-price), though.

That's a shame. So Mirage no longer does *any* manufacturing in Canada. I guess I'll hold on to my Mirage Canadian manufactured system a little longer.

Will Energy now outsource too?

Revel still makes their upscale stuff in the U.S. B&W still makes their upscale stuff in England. Etc.

just wanted to add my experience. i recently purchased a pair of new v2 satellites (made in china). the fit and finish were pretty poor. one of the speakers was missing one of its rubber feet. the other one had a scratch that probably happened when one of the workers was trying to screw in one of the screws on the face of the speaker. there was also minor scuffing along the edges. very disappointing.

i've owned previous mirage components that were built in canada and have had no problems with the fit and finish. coincidence? i guess it's possible.

Omnisat v2 floorstanders, 4 sats and cc here in a second system. Fit and finish on all are perfect.
I also just installed Energy RC-70's, RC-LCR and 4 Mirage Omnican 6's in my main system. Fit and finish are perfect with those also.

Omnisat v2 floorstanders, 4 sats and cc here in a second system. Fit and finish on all are perfect.
I also just installed Energy RC-70's, RC-LCR and 4 Mirage Omnican 6's in my main system. Fit and finish are perfect with those also.

Jack,

How does the Omnisat CC center compare with the Energy center? Particularly with dialogue.

Jack,

How does the Omnisat CC center compare with the Energy center? Particularly with dialogue.

I was very pleased with the Omnisat center. The reason I replaced it was because, as good as it is, there was a noticable difference in timbre with the 18 year old Mirage M760's I was using. Knowing I would be replacing the 760's with Energy RC-70's, I went with the RC-LCR.
The Omnisat center, of course, matches up beautifully with the Omnisat floorstanders.

Greetings,

I've decided to invest in an Omnisat system - FS front speakers, the CC center speaker, and Omnisat surrounds. I'm going to have a 7.1 system.

I've pretty much decided to use the Omnisat V2's for rear surrounds and was thinking of using the Nanosats as side channels to keep the cost down. Or would it be better to use the Nanosats as rear surrounds and the V2s for the side channels?

The rear surrounds have a good place on the rear wall of the room, behind the viewing position, but I'm unsure about where to place the side speakers. There are no convenient wall positions at left/right of the viewing position and I don't want to use stands because they will be exposed to kids running around. So I'm thinking of maybe mounting them upside down on the ceiling - I've seen mention of mounting Omnisats upside down with good results. And since they will be side channels, maybe this will work.

Any suggestions?

thanks

Politby....
I'd say you'll be ok. But I think I'd use the Nanosats as the rear surrounds as I don't think the rears are as critical as the sides.
Hanging from the ceiling should also work ok. I have 4 Omnisat sats I would have liked to use, but didn't really care for how they'd look hanging from the ceiling (I went with the Omnican in-ceilings). But if you're ok with the look, they should work fine.

Politby....
I'd say you'll be ok. But I think I'd use the Nanosats as the rear surrounds as I don't think the rears are as critical as the sides.
Hanging from the ceiling should also work ok. I have 4 Omnisat sats I would have liked to use, but didn't really care for how they'd look hanging from the ceiling (I went with the Omnican in-ceilings). But if you're ok with the look, they should work fine.

I've read almost this whole thread now and it got me thinking. I can get a pair of Omni 550s and a C150 center plus two Omni 150 surrounds - all in cherry :) - for the same price as the Omnisat FS/CC combination. Or put another way, the 550s plus C15 for the equivalent of $468 less than the Omnisat front/center combination.

I don't really have any space constraints, so from what I've read in this thread maybe I should go for the 550s as I can get a 7.0 system for the same price as a 5.0 Omnisat system?

I don't really have any space constraints, so from what I've read in this thread maybe I should go for the 550s as I can get a 7.0 system for the same price as a 5.0 Omnisat system?

Yes!

Yes!

+1 :)

How do you think the Omnicans would sound 12-14ft' behind the listening position. Would the sound field be full enough? I'll have Omnisats on sides for a 7.1 setup.

How do you think the Omnicans would sound 12-14ft' behind the listening position. Would the sound field be full enough? I'll have Omnisats on sides for a 7.1 setup.

I have the Omnican 6's. The rears are also about 12' behind my sofa.
Great here. Remember we can adjust levels, eq, etc. for each individual speaker.

I have the Omnican 6's. The rears are also about 12' behind my sofa.
Great here. Remember we can adjust levels, eq, etc. for each individual speaker.

How do they blend with the sides. I'm having a heck of time with placement becauese of my soofit configuration. Its 4' wide on one side and 2' on the other. I can't mount them to the soffit on each side because of the spacing and I think they'll be too close together if I put them on the ceiling. The room is 15' wide. How far apart are your Omnicans?

GS

Unless you want the fairly large 550s, my suggestion is to go with the 350s and a sub. Even though the 550s are only 3" wider they are pretty big speakers.

I think I got the last 2 sets of 150's from Vann's :D I was on there a couple of weeks ago and it said they only had 2 pair left and I gave in and ordered all my speakers. I was planning on waiting but I did not want to miss out. Glad I got them when I did, I also ordered a c150 center and a pair of 350's for the fronts. I am very happy with them. Now I just need to find a reasonable priced sub to round out the new home theater.

How do they blend with the sides. I'm having a heck of time with placement becauese of my soofit configuration. Its 4' wide on one side and 2' on the other. I can't mount them to the soffit on each side because of the spacing and I think they'll be too close together if I put them on the ceiling. The room is 15' wide. How far apart are your Omnicans?

GS

Sides are about 10 feet apart, rears are about 7 feet apart.

I think I got the last 2 sets of 150's from Vann's :D I was on there a couple of weeks ago and it said they only had 2 pair left and I gave in and ordered all my speakers. I was planning on waiting but I did not want to miss out. Glad I got them when I did, I also ordered a c150 center and a pair of 350's for the fronts. I am very happy with them. Now I just need to find a reasonable priced sub to round out the new home theater.

I have the same setup and the klipsch sub-10, which i was able to get from bestbuy for a couple hundred bucks. I'm very happy with my system. :)

Just put in my order for 4 x Omni 350 as fronts and surrounds plus the C150. Will add a pair of Omnisat V2s I got from a dealer demo to make up a 7.1 system.
Can't wait to get it all set up. Should have it all delivered in a week or so. :)

I'm currently upgrading to HD (Dolby TrueHD and DTSHD) and 7.1 and noticed the discontinued pricing on the Mirage 550 and 350.

My current system is a Sony STR-DA4300ES with 5 Spherex (xbox) speakers and a cheap Sony subwoofer. The room is small, but dedicated as a HT room; about 12' x 9'. Purpose is mainly movies via a PS3 or HTPC.

Would either the 550 or 350 mix well with the Spherex speakers? I'm thinking of using the 550 or 350 as the front Left and Right, then using the Spherex speakers for the center, Left and Right Surround, and Left and Right Rears (giving me a 7.1 system).

Was initially planning on purchasing 2 more Spherex speakers to get the 7.1, but the prices on the 550 and 350 are hard to pass up.

Thanks in advance.

Our wonderful dog who is squirrel crazy, was in our den and saw a squirrel through the window and went after it. There is about an 18" space between my Sony TV and the Mirage 350 then the window is behind that. He knocked the left speaker into the wrought iron standing lamp and the speaker fell on the floor.
Tore the top edge of the speaker off and put a small whole in the top of the fabric covering the tweeter assembly.
Good thing I only paid $300 for these things.

I have just ordered the Omni 350s (leaves me with about $40 until next payday, LOL.)
It will take a week to get them, and I am already champing at the bit. If my 150s are any indication, they will sound awesome!
I was right, they sound awesome. The Already amazing imaging of the 150s is enhanced even more, and the bass will have peaople searching for a hidden sub! Not merely a steal at $300, they sound like they should cost well over $3000.

Would the C550's be a downgrade/sidegrade or upgrade from the original Omni line (Omni 50, 60, 250, 260)?

I am concerned that the C550's drivers (Tweeter: Single 1" Aluminum Dome & Woofer: Two 6.5" Fiberglass Composite) are a downgrade from the older Omni drivers (1" PTH™ Pure Titanium Hybrid & 5-1/2" Polypropylene Titanium Deposit Hybrid)

I am thinking of going from my current Omni 50's to a set of C550's. I know I will get more low end from the C550's, I just don't want to compromise on my mids and highs from the sweet sounding Omni 50's.

The smallest bookshelf in the old line vs. the biggest floorstander in the newer line is something of an apples and oranges comparison.

I haven't heard the new line, but you'd think the old drivers (if they're still working fine) would as you say have a bit of an edge.

And it sounds like you love the old speakers, which I can understand completely as it's a very nice sound. Read this love letter to the Omni 50:
http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/mirage_omni50.htm

It really might be a sideways move unless you're clear what you're trying to accomplish.

What is it you're trying to accomplish? Do you need more sound? Then it might be necessary, though you might want to look at the amplification side. With 91db sensitivity and 100 watts of power handling, it should put out a pretty good amount of sound.

More bass? Do you have a sub now? It not, it wouldn't be hard to integrate a sub as long as your receiver/amp has some basic crossover features.

Would the time/money be better spent upgrading something else or improving the way the system interacts with the room and your listening position?

I do currently have a sub. A HSU TN1220, which is a very capable sub at that.

I am considering the C550's since they have more bottom end and then I could set my amp to "large". for the front speakers. I will be getting a Panny XR57 soon and it supports LPCM over HDMI, but it does not support base management in such a configuration. So the subwoofer will unfortuneltly have it's LFE signal -10db down when running in this config from some sources. (a known LFE bug of the XR57)

Having the C550's running full range over my current omni 50's set to SMALL will give me additional bass management/cross over choices and flexibility in my setup.

Anyone have a recommendation for a center speaker to go with a pair of 350's?. I haven't been able to find C150's in stock or on ebay, etc.

I'm also unsure which direction to go with the surround speakers. I could pick up a pair of nanosats or another pair of 350s? or would they be too much for rear speakers?

Anyone have a recommendation for a center speaker to go with a pair of 350's?. I haven't been able to find C150's in stock or on ebay, etc.

I'm also unsure which direction to go with the surround speakers. I could pick up a pair of nanosats or another pair of 350s? or would they be too much for rear speakers?

350's all around including the center channel would be pretty killer. Perfect for movies as well as multi channel audio.

Anyone have a recommendation for a center speaker to go with a pair of 350's?. I haven't been able to find C150's in stock or on ebay, etc.

I'm also unsure which direction to go with the surround speakers. I could pick up a pair of nanosats or another pair of 350s? or would they be too much for rear speakers?

If you can't accomodate a tower in the center, you could try to find a 150 (the regular bookshelf, not the center.)

Anyone here have a chance to compare the OMNI 350's and 550's to the Polk RTi10's? I've torn between these two speakers. I like the sound of the Polks, but I have yet to hear ANY Mirage speaker and the concept of the omnipole speaker really intrigues me. Can anyone provide a brief comparison?

I took advantage of the blowout pricing on the 350's and was SOOO impressed that I decided to fish around for a deal on OMD-15's. Put up a saved search on fleabay and BAM, 48hrs later, platinum seller, NIB right at half price.

Just unpacking these jewels was a joy because the workmanship is just top notch. The piano black is so high gloss it almost looks plastic but is much too rich looking to be mistaken for plastic. You can move them around a lot more easily too with the supplied rubber gloves. Gives you a good grip without fingerprints.

Placement is less than optimal but I expected good results anyway since the 350's performed so well in the same spot. Mirage recomends 100 hour break in but I ran Audyssey anyway on my SR705, only measured 3 locations though instead of 8.

All I can say is that I am just stunned at the width of the sounddstage, the depth of the tight bass and the details within the music that I just wasn't hearing before. They sound so clean, I listen at slightly lowered volume levels now because I can still get such detail - they just peform at all listening levels.

The 350's are moved to the rear surrounds with another pair at the sides sides. I picked up an OMD C1 from the same seller and now am the proud and very pleased owner of an all mirage 7.1 system.

I can't wait for it all to pass the 100 hour break in point so I can re-run the set-up for all 8 room locations. I'm going to have to go through my whole DVD and CD colection all over again.

well i did it..

i ordered my omni 550 from crutchfield this morning. $339.00 for pair. free shipping.

blind purchase for me. have not heard them but have read some pretty good reviews.

this is the beginning of my new home theater.

had my cambridge soundowrks bookshelf's for about 9 years, hoping to hear some improvement.:D:D


edit now i need a center. a few posts up someone said to use the 150 if the c150's are not available. any one else on that subject.?

I still love my 350s, but not as much as I did before last weekend. What happened last weekend is that my mom stopped using my old Athena Audition F1s and gave them back to me. It turns out that I still prefer those overall (though the Mirages remain far superior in the imaging department.) Interestingly, the Mirages and Athenas are "family" (both API.)

Pulliam, your posts are often interesting, but - you change speakers like other people change socks. Or hats maybe. Or something. Maybe you should add that to your sig? Fair disclosure. ;)

Pulliam, your posts are often interesting, but - you change speakers like other people change socks. Or hats maybe. Or something. Maybe you should add that to your sig? Fair disclosure. ;)

Technically, listening to the Athenas again doesn't qualify as "changing" speakers since I have owned them for years. I merely hadn't heard them lately as my folks were using them.:cool:

I have just ordered the Omni 350s (leaves me with about $40 until next payday, LOL.)
It will take a week to get them, and I am already champing at the bit. If my 150s are any indication, they will sound awesome!
I was right, they sound awesome. The Already amazing imaging of the 150s is enhanced even more, and the bass will have peaople searching for a hidden sub! Not merely a steal at $300, they sound like they should cost well over $3000.I still love my 350s, but not as much as I did before last weekend.
You had them for 2 weeks, tops. :rolleyes:

Pulliam, your posts are often interesting, but - you change speakers like other people change socks. Or hats maybe.
They're not interesting. They're a sad joke. :(

You had them for 2 weeks, tops. :rolleyes:


Turns out I was driving them with the wrong amp. My old amp, while powerful, is not 4 Ohm stable. The Mirages are 8 Ohm nominal, but actually 4 Ohm throughout much of their range (especially the bass.) My new amp has less power, but is 4 Ohm stable and that makes all the difference. The 350s are now my favorites again.

They're not interesting. They're a sad joke. :(

As are you.:rolleyes:

OM-C3 or Omni V2 CC?

I have the OM-C3 right now to match up with my OM9s, but i'm thinking of getting the Omni V2 CC, since the OM-C3 is bulky and really doesn't sound great. I should have bought an OM-C2 when I still could have gotten my hands on one, but it seems that without ponying up a lot of cash for the OMD center channel, the Omin v2 CC looks like a good bet?

Not having heard the CC, I would advise to look long and hard for an OMC2 off of audiogon or something. I did the same thing about 1.5 years ago, went from an OMC3 with my OM9's to an OMC2 and the OMC2 timbre matches almost perfectly with the 9's. Supposedly it matches better with the 9's then the 7's or 5's if I recall reading that somewhere correctly. Something about having the same cross over frequency with the tweeter (1.9 khz versus 2.0 on the 7's and 5's) and same size drivers.

Not having heard the CC, I would advise to look long and hard for an OMC2 off of audiogon or something. This would be the wide consensus. Especially since you have a center you can use while you wait.

If the OMC3 isn't enough for you, I don't know that the Omnisat would be any better.

Though I've never heard anyone say the OMC3 didn't sound good - only that it didn't have enough power for their tastes. You might want to check the settings on your receiver.

And you didn't say where you were putting it - the 3 speakers you've mentioned all have different placement requirements, with the OMC3 being the only one that can really handle being in a shelf/tight space.

My Omni 350s were $300/pr. The similar-looking (slightly bigger, nicer finish) OMD-15s are $2500/pr. Why? How can they possibly be that much better?

Yeam, the OMC3 doesn't sound bad, it's just underpowered, I probably should have been more clear on that. Actually, I like the wallmounting ability of the Omni CC v2, the OMC3 is a bit bulky. I wouldn't mind the bulk of the OMC2 since it's such a pretty speaker :)

On the other hand, does anyone know what direction Mirage will take now that they're owned by Klipsch? Are Andrew Welkner and Ian Paisley still designing for them, or will design go in-house at Klipsch (that would suck).

Don't know the direction they are heading, but I have been putting ideas for new products in the inboxes of both the new national director of sales and my rep (both Klipsch group staff). Just an FYI, I received a long fax of what were listed as "closeouts" this morning. Pretty much everything current is on the list. Could be inventory reduction or it could mean that new product is due this year. Only the powers that be know where they are going with this, but I was assured that the unique design of Mirage speakers are attractive to Klipsch group and the brand is not going away like the Athena brand did a week ago. Don't know about the involvement of Andrew and Ian but I've been in this business long enough to suspect the worst.

going away like the Athena brand did a week ago.

Whoa! This is the first I have heard of that!:eek: Too bad, since they made outstanding speakers at a great price. Sounds like it is time to grab a pair on closeout before they are all gone (glad I already have mine.)

I started a thread totled "Athena is Done!" when I got the e-mail. Maybe should have titled it differently. Anyway here's the link.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=979992&highlight=athena+is+done

TDI Driver, it sounds like you've been in the business for a while, i'm hoping the API brands get to keep their identity. In a way Athena replaced Sound Dynamics, but now it appears to be more of restructuring from Klipsch's input. I'm really hoping that API's brands get to keep their identity.

"Just an FYI, I received a long fax of what were listed as "closeouts" this morning. Pretty much everything current is on the list. Could be inventory reduction or it could mean that new product is due this year. " You're talking about Mirage there, not Athena? If so, that's big news.

when will we start to see the additional mirage models on sale at close out prices at vanns, etc?

they have arrived...550's

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when will we start to see the additional mirage models on sale at close out prices at vanns, etc?

I'm also excited for sale prices. Unlike last time, I didn't buy my OM-C2 and have regretted it since. This time i'm thinking this might be the last of the "real" Mirage speakers. Who knows what Klipsch might do moving forward?

The only downside is that everything is made in China, most of my current Mirage setup is all Canadian made :)

My Omni 350s were $300/pr. The similar-looking (slightly bigger, nicer finish) OMD-15s are $2500/pr. Why? How can they possibly be that much better?

Spoken like a person that has not heard many speakers. Maybe you should go out there and hear new and different things. You would be surprised with what's out there.

Spoken like a person that has not heard many speakers. Maybe you should go out there and hear new and different things. You would be surprised with what's out there.

easy, pretty sure he was not trying to insult you..:rolleyes:

easy, pretty sure he was not trying to insult you..:rolleyes:

I didn't feel insulted, I was just trying to point that out. The OMD series has totally different drivers than the Omni series so it's like comparing apples to oranges. I have a pair of 550's, 150's, and C150 and while they are good speakers, I know they are not the best out there. If I had to do it all over again would I still buy them? Yes... If I had to do it all over again but with more money to spend? No...

easy, pretty sure he was not trying to insult you..:rolleyes:


Agreed, and at the price difference I doubt that the more expensive Mirage speakers (roughly 5x more expensive MSRP to MSRP) are 5x better. Having said that, you often get diminishing returns when buying higher priced items.

I had previously done the same thing, was blown away by some lower end Mirage speakers, and ended up buying something from what was then their flagship line. Was it 5x better, probably not, but it was somewhat better, and most of all I enjoyed the speakers.

One of the great things about Mirage is that you can get into their entry-level stuff fairly inexpensively (true for most Canadian speaker companies such as Paradigm, PSB, etc.), but they also offer products at much higher pricepoints if that's what you're after.

next step after the 550's are either a center or surrounds..?/

any suggestions to match the 550's i have read 150's for rear, and either c150 or another 150 for center.>?

Agreed, and at the price difference I doubt that the more expensive Mirage speakers (roughly 5x more expensive MSRP to MSRP) are 5x better. Having said that, you often get diminishing returns when buying higher priced items.

I had previously done the same thing, was blown away by some lower end Mirage speakers, and ended up buying something from what was then their flagship line. Was it 5x better, probably not, but it was somewhat better, and most of all I enjoyed the speakers.

One of the great things about Mirage is that you can get into their entry-level stuff fairly inexpensively (true for most Canadian speaker companies such as Paradigm, PSB, etc.), but they also offer products at much higher pricepoints if that's what you're after.

PSB is superb bang for the buck. Paradigm has fallen off the tree in that aspect because of their huge popularity in the US. I just find it weird that PSB steps over their current lines. The new synchrony series is the exact same price point as their Platinum line. And the GT series doesn't offer much when compared to the Image line.

"Just an FYI, I received a long fax of what were listed as "closeouts" this morning. Pretty much everything current is on the list. Could be inventory reduction or it could mean that new product is due this year. " You're talking about Mirage there, not Athena? If so, that's big news.

Turns out that the "closeout" list is pretty much an inventory reduction. I talked to my rep about it yesterday. According to him, after an audit was done, they felt the need to get rid of some stock. There are factory firsts and seconds on the list as well as a fair amount of new current product. The obvious models are there - Omnisat v2 product in silver since that finish has been phase out completely along with certain classic models - OM-C2, Omni-260, Omni-60 plus others. The Omnican series is getting a facelift and three new models will start shipping in May. Again, according to my rep, OMD, Omnisat v2, Nanosat, Nanosat Prestige, Oasis outdoor, and subwoofer models will remain through the year. The only real change on the horizon is with the Omnicans. I've been really hard-pressing them to release a new Omni series this year, but we'll see.

This is all I have been told at the moment, but I will keep everyone here posted if anything changes.

Happy listening everyone!

where is the omni-60 and omni 260 stock coming from? I thought they were long gone? what channels will they be sold thru and when?

where is the omni-60 and omni 260 stock coming from? I thought they were long gone? what channels will they be sold thru and when?

A great question indeed. Apparently there were some floating around in the Canadian warehouse somewhere. I was pretty surprised to see them in the list along with some of the old OM series which has been gone for a while to. API used to have a clearance website for each of their three brands. Perhaps this is all leftover stock from there. As for sales of these long gone products, I would imagine if Vanns, Crutchfield, or Audio Advisor buys the remaining inventory out, we may see them there. I doubt B&M dealers like ourselves will be buying any.

Woohoo! I may get that OM-C2 after all :) Oooh, I wonder if they'll get any more OM-5s in stock? Vanns had them at a ridiculously low price, I thought about it too long and they were gone. I think TDI is right about them being in the Canadian warehouse since all of those models were still made in Canada.

Spoken like a person that has not heard many speakers. Maybe you should go out there and hear new and different things. You would be surprised with what's out there.

I have heard an immense number of speakers. I have rarely heard differences between the low and high-end products from the same manufacturer sufficient to justify the price difference. In fact, I once went from B&W 602s ($600) to 705s ($1500) and ended up concluding that there was no improvement in SQ at all.

I have heard an immense number of speakers. I have rarely heard differences between the low and high-end products from the same manufacturer sufficient to justify the price difference. In fact, I once went from B&W 602s ($600) to 705s ($1500) and ended up concluding that there was no improvement in SQ at all.

I suppose the only real way to know would be through measurements. It's hard to say without measuring the output of the cheaper vs. more expensive speaker in identical conditions. A lot of it is personal preference and also how good your hearing is. Then again, a lot of it is status/prestige of having the "better" speaker :)

two days left to decide.....

any last thoughts..??

considering either one omni 150 or a c150 for center to match my omni 550's.

i have heard good things about both, just looking for last minute advice.

the 150 would be placed upside down about 6.5' from the floor above the tv wall mounted

the c150 would be on an open rear shelf under the tv..

i can get a pair of 150's for the same as a c150. if that matters.

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What are you using as rears? Get the 150s, and if you're not happy with them, use them as surrounds, and then get the C150 :)

What are you using as rears? Get the 150s, and if you're not happy with them, use them as surrounds, and then get the C150 :)
Not a bad idea, really.

I'm not sure I understand their thinking with the c150 except that perhaps the Omnipolar technology is not ideal for the center channel. But the OMD centers DO use the Omnipolar design.

I say get the 150 pair for the center and use the extra speaker for your 6th channel. There are a couple of movies out there (LOTR) that have 6.1 soundtracks.

thanks for the advice.

Not sure the of price of the c150, but if you want something very similar, check out the Athena LCS-100 at Audio Advisor. It is going for less than $100 and has very similar components - 5.5" fiberglass cones and 1" aluminum dome tweeter. They even look the same with the rounded cabinet design.

thanks for the advice.

Where are you getting them from?

TDI Driver....
Were the OMD-15's in rosenut on the list?

TDI Driver....
Were the OMD-15's in rosenut on the list?

I honestly can't remember, but I can check it out when I'm back in the store tomorrow and post what I find. Perhaps I can bring the list home and put all the models up. That would take me a while though :)

Where are you getting them from?

crutchfield