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sagecounsel

09-25-11, 08:51 PM

Looking to get 4 OMD5 satellites and OMD C1 center channel rosewood
Already going to use Boston Acoustic VR3 cherry front towers so 7.1 system (almost exclusive use Home Theatre)
Denon AVR receiver ( will get model# 1910 maybe ???)

Going with Mirage due to angles etc of space (12x32 finished basement with an additional 8 x8 alcove off the side in front, all tile floors and 7' drop ceiling) see attached sketch not to scale
red is 72" Mitsubishi DLP with rack next to it Have sub behind
Black is seating 2 couches two chairs
Blue is doors
Green gas fireplace

Figured Omnipolar would be the way to go.

Questions:
1)What sub should we get to match up... should we just get the MM8 by Mirage ?
Or do we need more power for the cubic feet?? think $300+ works? Hsu, Svs, velodyne,sun fire?
Or will they be too much (tile, low ceiling etc) and Stick to the MM8?

Also what is a good sound insulator to put above drop ceiling?

2) Seems like common suggestion Is to wall mount the Sats upside down.. Thoughts on this? And will we need additional mounting hardware beyond what Mirage provides?

3) Any good links, suggestions re best speaker wire (gauge, shielded vs unshielded ), connection method and sub cable and where to get them online. Seems like a good time to rerun wire .

Any other thoughts etc appreciated!
Currently using a htib speaker /sub setup that retailed $200 so excited!!!

All right so
Two more quick questions
If I'm matching in the front OMD c1 and the 15s or the OMD 5s for fronts?
Especially if I go Epik Legend 12" sub.. Will we need the additional low end the 15s give ?
Thanks Whiskey

tommylicious

09-25-11, 09:12 PM

anyone forsee any problems in pairing up an OS3CC with OMD-5 front speakers, along with OS3 sats for the rears and an S-8 sub? or should i go with os3 sats for the fronts as well since i've heard so much talk about how supposedly radically different the omd5's are.

omd center channel is not an option due to space/asthetic constraints. thanks in advance.

Spiros_GR

09-26-11, 02:11 AM

Bluvette

09-26-11, 12:24 PM

Bluvette,I am so jealous of you for having the space for both the 15's and the 28's ......
you have two very nice and cozy Mirage Home Cinemas....
that is a compliment from a guy who owns 26 speakers of this brand....

two questions for you.
1.how many cubic meters is your living room were the 15's are?
my space is about 70 c.m.2 but I haven't decided yet which ones to buy and use for a two channel system...

2.are the Emotiva XPA-1 driving the 28's with comfort?
Now that Emotiva is coming to Europe on 2012,I am thinking seriously of buying some of their products...

Thanks for the compliment. My room where the 15's are is 91.76 cubic meters or 3240 cubic feet. They work very well in there all though the 28's would probably do better. The Emotiva's are awesome, the XPA-1's power the 28's quite well. I use the XPA-2 to power the 15's. :D

COACH2369

09-26-11, 03:36 PM

WhskyTangoFoxtrt

09-26-11, 04:04 PM

All right so
Two more quick questions
If I'm matching in the front OMD c1 and the 15s or the OMD 5s for fronts?
Especially if I go Epik Legend 12" sub.. Will we need the additional low end the 15s give ?
Thanks Whiskey

The OMD-15s will provide a fuller mid-range, play louder, and includes built-in speaker stands.

anyone forsee any problems in pairing up an OS3CC with OMD-5 front speakers, along with OS3 sats for the rears and an S-8 sub? or should i go with os3 sats for the fronts as well since i've heard so much talk about how supposedly radically different the omd5's are.

I don't know if I would agree that the two speakers are radically different -- they both offer the Omnipolar technology in a similar design. The OMD is just a more capable and possibly better sounding speaker.

omd center channel is not an option due to space/asthetic constraints. thanks in advance.

^ Why not an OMD-5 for a center speaker?

Across the front -- 3 speakers from the same manufacturer and product line is best.

Spiros_GR

09-26-11, 05:29 PM

It might be time to consider a new style and brand of speaker. Currently I have the following:

Axiom M80's for fronts.
Axiom VP-180 for my center.
Axiom M22 for rears and heights.
Axiom EP350 sub.
Anthem MRX-500
Emotiva XPA-3 powering the front three

Room is 19x13...

I only listen to movies...couldn't tell you the last time I used my setup for just music. Right now I am weighing going with an OMD-C2 along with either the OS3-FS, OMD-15 or OMD-28. The price difference between the OMD-28's and the rest is substantial... I am thinking that I could try out the OS3-FS first since they can be purchased at Best Buy and go from there. Not sure if the OMD-28's will fit in my spot but the OMD-15's should...

Right now the rears will remain my current rears since they are in wall speakers and can't be changed.

Any input would be great... perhaps somebody who recently made a jump from a similar speaker to Mirage.
if I am not mistaking,the OS3 and the 15's are at the same price at vann's, whle the OS3 satellites are a bit more expensive than the omd-5's...

If I were you,I would go for the omd series..
the cabins from solid wood is always better than a plastic one an the finishes much nicer...
Plus,if you decide it later,and can afford it,you an go for the 28's,without changing many of what you already have...
of course that depends from your space too.....

Bluvette

09-26-11, 05:37 PM

I would not mix the OS3 with the OMD. The C2 is huge and would over power the OS3-FS. Go with the OMD line 15's minimal with the C2.

buzzy_

09-26-11, 07:59 PM

tommylicious

09-27-11, 10:21 AM

does anyone have a side-by-side picture of the os3-cc versus omd-c1? thanks.

purplestallion

09-27-11, 05:45 PM

lightbox

09-28-11, 06:40 AM

if you're getting a good sub and your use is dominated by movies and gaming rather than music, you may as well go with omd5s over omd15s as the lower end will go straight to the sub and your omd15, even though a superior speaker, will be wasted.
I have pairs of both the OMD5 and OMD15. I compared them both as front main speakers in my home theater system, and I could easily tell the quality difference between them even when both were set to "small" (at 80Hz).

I agree that the difference is more noticeable with music than with movies. However, I watch a lot of concert videos, so the OMD15 is hardly "wasted".

COACH2369

09-28-11, 06:50 AM

WhskyTangoFoxtrt

09-28-11, 08:02 AM

Absolutely no reason to buy os3s if you're starting from scratch, as the omd5 is a better speaker at a lower price. Also, if you're getting a good sub and your use is dominated by movies and gaming rather than music, you may as well go with omd5s over omd15s as the lower end will go straight to the sub and your omd15, even though a superior speaker, will be wasted.

I have pairs of both the OMD5 and OMD15. I compared them both as front main speakers in my home theater system, and I could easily tell the quality difference between them even when both were set to "small" (at 80Hz).

I agree that the difference is more noticeable with music than with movies. However, I watch a lot of concert videos, so the OMD15 is hardly "wasted".

The 80Hz crossover is not a "brick wall", but a slope at which frequencies roll-off. A speaker with a more robust mid-range and lower frequency extension can help with subwoofer integration and make it easier to achieve a flatter response.

kengoo

09-29-11, 03:52 AM

I definitely want the OMD-C2 and have narrowed it down to the OMD-15 and OMD-28 for the fronts... It was recommended to me that the OMD-28's would be a better choice for my room setup. This recommendation came from a buddy and not a sales guy..lol

The 28's are fundamentally a better speaker than the 15's in my not-so-informed-but-subjective-listening perspective. They are in different leagues so it's a matter of where you want to put the extra money. The 28s are nice to have, but probably not required for your room. If I recall, your room was about 2200 cubic feet and you only watch movies, no music. The 15's should be plenty to fill that space I would think. But when you want the 28's, there is no reason to "settle" for the 15's, :). If you have leakage in your room (open hallways, studies, etc.), then the 28's would be more necessary. Also, the C2 is massive and if you are set on that as a center, then the 28's are a better match.

I have the c2, 28's, and 5's (2 Rhythmik subs backordered). My room is effectively 5k ft^3 with a gazillion angles for the sound to bounce all around. Music is awesome and even sub-less 5.0 movies are still pretty good. I couldn't be happier with the setup.

hung8582

09-29-11, 10:58 AM

very nice setup!! arghh..you make me want the OMD15s even more now.. I'm going to see if mounting the speakers upside down would help the sound. My wife's not gonna be happy with the way it looks upside down.....OH WELL!!

If the OMD-5's are going to be 6ft or higher they should be upside down and tilted downward. There is a hugh difference in sound in my opinion between the 5's and 15's. The OMD-15's are much more fuller and have much more bass, I love the 15's.

Here are some pics.....

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp173/Bluvette1/DSC02811.jpg

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp173/Bluvette1/DSC02803.jpg

tommylicious

09-29-11, 01:50 PM

Can anyone make a direct, personally-listened-to comparison between the OS3 sat & OMD5 as part of an overall 5.1 system? Not looking for commentary like "they're a bargain" or sensitivity specs, but rather direct listening color. Thanks.

buzzy_

09-29-11, 09:42 PM

The OS3s sound pretty good - until you hear a speaker that reaches lower and has a natural tone. They're decidely lacking in lower mid bass, giving them a somewhat thin tone.

The OMDs sound more natural and full, and have a more detailed sound as well.

tommylicious

09-30-11, 08:14 AM

thanks buzzy

kyle454

10-01-11, 01:34 AM

can someone please tell me what would be an upgrade coming from the os3 complete 5.1 system with an S12 sub?

would B&W, Salk, Polk, or Ascend speakers be a significantly noticeable better sounding system compared to mirage os3's?

has anyone upgraded from os3's to another brand with noticeably better difference without breaking the bank? (under $5k)

please help me decide whether to upgrade my speakers or not!

thanks in advance!

cubsh8r

10-02-11, 07:00 PM

I'm setting up 3.1 setup in my secondary tv room. I have an offer for unopened set of Polk Blackstone tl160's for $200. Are these solid enough or would I be better off picking up monitor bookshelfs and a POlk CS1 center? Can't stand the led tv speakers or old KLH bookshelfs and can't run wires for sb or Sr speakers.

Appreciate your insight.

tommylicious

10-03-11, 07:58 AM

do OMD15's need a subwoofer in a 5.1 system or can you ditch the sub?

WhskyTangoFoxtrt

10-03-11, 08:49 AM

do OMD15's need a subwoofer in a 5.1 system or can you ditch the sub?

The short answer - yes.

You will need a subwoofer to reproduce the dedicated .1 channel.

There are other advantages as well.

afrogt

10-03-11, 09:46 AM

do OMD15's need a subwoofer in a 5.1 system or can you ditch the sub?

It's not 5.1 unless you have a subwoofer.

The OMD-15s can't reach the depths of a good subwoofer so you'll want to add one especially for home theater. The OMD-15 is rated down to 33hz. A good sub will get you in the low 20hz range or below.

dr_gallup

10-06-11, 09:27 PM

After 30 some years of 2 speaker stereo and a CRT I've gone whole hog on a new home theater set up. First post here although I did a good bit of reading this & other threads before buying.

I've recently purchased 2 OMD15 fronts, 4 OMD5 surround/rears and an OMDC1 center speaker. I'm using an old JBL 2245H 18" sub in a homemade 12 cu ft enclosure. I've got a 70" Sharp Quatron mounted on the wall over the fireplace. I want to mount the OMDC1 upside down in a ceiling tray recess. It will be like a wall mount but about 2 ft in front of the TV. The tray recess is about 14 inches deep (vertical) by 12 ft wide and 7 ft front to rear. I want the bottom edge of the C1 just about flush with the rest of the ceiling. I've been looking but I can't find any mounts that will work. I can't put it on a shelf since it will be upside down. I'm sure there is something out there, any ideas? :confused:

dr_gallup

10-08-11, 05:42 PM

licnyc

10-10-11, 01:27 PM

vanns store at ebay is selling rosewood omd5 for $120 each

tommylicious

10-10-11, 01:46 PM

is omd-c1 just too honking big?

buzzy_

10-10-11, 06:37 PM

is omd-c1 just too honking big?You must be thinking of the OMD C2. The OMD-C1 is just right.

cmoll

10-11-11, 09:50 AM

Well I used the cheesy mount that comes with the OMDC1. Hopefully it's up to the job. It has the redeeming feature of being very compact. Everything else I saw was going to move the speaker several more inches forward of the TV.

So another question. What's a good crossover frequency to use with the OMD15/5/C1? So far I've been using the THX 80 Hz frequency for everything. I suppose I could run the OMD15's a little lower. Maybe increase the OMD5/CI a little?

I have been using the OMDC1 built-in mount for over a year without any issues. It gets a little annoying as it is a single point mount and the speaker gets a little crooked every now and again, but other than that, it has been fine.

80Hz is what I have been using and am happy with it. I have a pioneer receiver, so I use MCACC and can only use one crossover freq for all speakers.

flamingoezz

10-11-11, 10:06 PM

MandM

10-12-11, 05:29 PM

I bought a set of mirage nanosats and am considering a polk psw125 to pair with it in my living room. room dimensions are 14' x 15' with a slanted ceiling from 9' - 14'.

Would this sub match the sound of these speakers well?

secondly, what brand receivers are best suited for these speakers? im considering a onkyo 509 or 360 right now because of the features/cost

Any reputable receiver will sound good with your speakers. My Omnisats sounded good with my older Yamaha 1200 and sound just as good (sub sounds better thanks to Audyssey multi-eq) with my newer Onkyo 270.

Macstatic

10-13-11, 02:27 PM

Hey I'm mostly an Energy nut, but I have a quick question for my Mirage brothers.

I have a cousin looking to get his first true sound system for under $500 (a little low, but doable with the likes of Craigslist), and we found a set of speakers for $500 (with a receiver).

The deal is here:
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/ele/2633802980.html

2 Omnisat v2 FS
Omnisat v2 CC
Mirage sub (he hasn't responded with WHICH sub that is)

My main question is, what would be a good deal for the Omnisat v2 FS pair and CC?

flamingoezz

10-13-11, 02:54 PM

thanks! picked up a denon 1612 with the multiEQ. hope to hook it up this weekend.

I also need some pointers on speaker positioning
..i posted a thread but haven't gotten much help, maybe those who own mirage speakers could better help. i have a room with a high slanted ceiling (towards the side, not towards the television or back of the room). it goes from approx 9' - 15'. should i mount my speakers upside down in the corners since the sound moves upwards and there is so much space?

Any reputable receiver will sound good with your speakers. My Omnisats sounded good with my older Yamaha 1200 and sound just as good (sub sounds better thanks to Audyssey multi-eq) with my newer Onkyo 270.

buzzy_

10-13-11, 08:31 PM

..i posted a thread but haven't gotten much help, maybe those who own mirage speakers could better help. i have a room with a high slanted ceiling (towards the side, not towards the television or back of the room). it goes from approx 9' - 15'. should i mount my speakers upside down in the corners since the sound moves upwards and there is so much space?I can't figure out what you're saying, but don't put this kind of speaker in a corner.

flamingoezz

10-13-11, 10:09 PM

you can see at the post below what i mean..the ceiling is high and slanted...wasn't sure if sound would get lost if i just put them on a shelf since they fire upward and theres a lot of space.

=http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1365984

was considering mounting 7 ft high and pointing down. would that produce better sound? if so, should i do for front and back?

I can't figure out what you're saying, but don't put this kind of speaker in a corner.

dr_gallup

10-14-11, 03:23 PM

If you are putting them that high (7 ft) then definitely upside down. But move them along one wall or the other rather than right in a corner.

tommylicious

10-17-11, 08:59 AM

Biwire jumper question: if I'm jumpering a biwire-able speaker (so i'm not biwiring), does it matter to which pair of jacks i attach the speaker wire (low or high)?

afrogt

10-17-11, 09:05 AM

As long as the jumper is in place it doesn't matter if you use the top or bottom terminal. In fact you can use one top and one bottom terminal if you wish as long as one is positive and one negative. If you have the actual speaker go ahead and experiment.

jmu steve

10-17-11, 12:11 PM

pjb16

10-17-11, 01:07 PM

Perpendicular

10-17-11, 01:46 PM

My vote goes for b. Pioneer Elite SC-55, driving the whole system, and you will certainly have the power. :cool::cool:

COACH2369

10-17-11, 02:41 PM

I have always liked having a good, solid three channel amp driving my front three. Currently I have an Anthem MRX500 and a Emotiva XPA-3. The XPA-3 will be powering my recently purchased OMD-28's and OMD-C2 until I have the room to add either a XPA-2 or two monoblocks..

Having said that, I would go with option #1.

WhskyTangoFoxtrt

10-18-11, 09:43 AM

I've got 2 OMD-15s, 2-OMD 5s, and an OMD-C1 on order...

For about the same amount of money I can either get:

a. Onkyo TX-NR809 + Emotiva XPA-3
b. Pioneer Elite SC-55

Do you think I would get better sound using the Emotiva to drive the fronts and the Onkyo to drive the surrounds, or the Pioneer driving the whole system?

Also, any recommendations on subs to go with the OMDs?

Thanks for your help!

Without knowing the size of your room, distance to the seating, and what levels you generally listen - amongst other things - I think it is difficult to recommend the addition of an amplifier. It's likely that there would be no perceivable improvement or performance as most AVRs have more than enough power and the speakers you ordered are efficient and fairly easy to drive.

Your room will heavily influence how things sound, and should be an important consideration first. Good calibration software on the AVR and a quality subwoofer will have a far greater impact and give you the most noticeable improvement in both sound quality and performance, in my opinion.

As far as subwoofer recommendations go, I would start by looking at Hsu, Rhythmik, Epik, Outlaw, and SVS. You may want to start a "Help Me Choose a Subwoofer" thread in the subwoofer forum.

Hope this helps.

Perpendicular

10-18-11, 12:03 PM

I've got 2 OMD-15s, 2-OMD 5s, and an OMD-C1 on order...

For about the same amount of money I can either get:

a. Onkyo TX-NR809 + Emotiva XPA-3
b. Pioneer Elite SC-55

Do you think I would get better sound using the Emotiva to drive the fronts and the Onkyo to drive the surrounds, or the Pioneer driving the whole system?

Also, any recommendations on subs to go with the OMDs?

Thanks for your help!
Taken from the Pioneer Website. Believe in what they say is true about the power of the new D3 amps.

An amplifier for the power hungry

The SC-55’s Class D3 9-channel amplifier is the most powerful amplifier of any multi-channel A/V receiver Pioneer has ever produced. Keeping the new audio formats of the Blu-ray Disc format in mind, Class D3 takes high-resolution multi-channel audio to a whole new level of immersive performance

Rated at 140 watts x 9 channels is a lot of power but is not the whole story. Where the SC-55 really shows its unprecedented power output capability is when driving multi-channels simultaneously without losing significant per-channel output. Class A/B amplifiers simply cannot match the efficiency of Class D3 as their power output per channel diminishes rapidly when more channels are added to the work-load. This kind of unprecedented power capability allows you to appreciate the full dynamics from any media source in a way never before possible. The ability to drive more channels, simultaneously, means you can fully reproduce all of the dynamics and impact of high definition multi-channel Dolby and DTS soundtracks with up to 9 channels of the highest quality power output available today.

WhskyTangoFoxtrt

10-18-11, 01:36 PM

Taken from the Pioneer Website. Believe in what they say is true about the power of the new D3 amps.

An amplifier for the power hungry

The SC-55’s Class D3 9-channel amplifier is the most powerful amplifier of any multi-channel A/V receiver Pioneer has ever produced. Keeping the new audio formats of the Blu-ray Disc format in mind, Class D3 takes high-resolution multi-channel audio to a whole new level of immersive performance

Rated at 140 watts x 9 channels is a lot of power but is not the whole story. Where the SC-55 really shows its unprecedented power output capability is when driving multi-channels simultaneously without losing significant per-channel output. Class A/B amplifiers simply cannot match the efficiency of Class D3 as their power output per channel diminishes rapidly when more channels are added to the work-load. This kind of unprecedented power capability allows you to appreciate the full dynamics from any media source in a way never before possible. The ability to drive more channels, simultaneously, means you can fully reproduce all of the dynamics and impact of high definition multi-channel Dolby and DTS soundtracks with up to 9 channels of the highest quality power output available today.

That's interesting. But, both receivers are THX Select2 Plus certified:

"THX Select2 Certified products are for medium sized rooms, up to 2,000 cubic feet in size, with a 10-12 foot viewing distance from the screen."

b4z

10-18-11, 03:39 PM

Taken from the Pioneer Website. Believe in what they say is true about the power of the new D3 amps.

An amplifier for the power hungry

The SC-55’s Class D3 9-channel amplifier is the most powerful amplifier of any multi-channel A/V receiver Pioneer has ever produced. Keeping the new audio formats of the Blu-ray Disc format in mind, Class D3 takes high-resolution multi-channel audio to a whole new level of immersive performance

Rated at 140 watts x 9 channels is a lot of power but is not the whole story. Where the SC-55 really shows its unprecedented power output capability is when driving multi-channels simultaneously without losing significant per-channel output. Class A/B amplifiers simply cannot match the efficiency of Class D3 as their power output per channel diminishes rapidly when more channels are added to the work-load. This kind of unprecedented power capability allows you to appreciate the full dynamics from any media source in a way never before possible. The ability to drive more channels, simultaneously, means you can fully reproduce all of the dynamics and impact of high definition multi-channel Dolby and DTS soundtracks with up to 9 channels of the highest quality power output available today.

140W X 9 = 1260 watts.
What is the capacity of a single electrical outlet?

b4z

10-18-11, 03:43 PM

I've had the Prestige S10 sub for almost 2 years now and have it paired with 5 OMD5s. and a Cambridge AVR.
The sub has never been that loud unless i turn it all the way up and is doesn't appear to go very deep.
I found a stereophile test disc the other day that i hadn't used in years. I went to the sub track and the sub doesn't sound like it is going as low as my 20 year old Mirage M3 bipolar speakers. rated output was 32Hz @ -2db and 25Hz @ -10db. for the M3s.
The M3s could rattle the windows the S10 can't.

Perpendicular

10-19-11, 01:58 AM

140W X 9 = 1260 watts.
What is the capacity of a single electrical outlet?
Is this a quiz? :D
Approximately, 1800W but this has nothing to do with how the D3 Amps work. The D3 can produce more power than it draws from the socket. Both the SC-55 & SC-57 use the same amp modules. The entire AVR (both SC-55 & 57) draw a max 370W from the wall.

That's interesting. But, both receivers are THX Select2 Plus certified:

"THX Select2 Certified products are for medium sized rooms, up to 2,000 cubic feet in size, with a 10-12 foot viewing distance from the screen."
The SC-55 & 57 use the same amps. What does that tell you? This tells me it's just a certification process for either THX Select2 or THX Ultra2.

Sorry, for the OT.

lightbox

10-19-11, 07:05 AM

The D3 can produce more power than it draws from the socket.
With huge capacitors and the like, an amp could produce momentary bursts of higher power, but it is simply not possible to produce continuous output that exceeds the electrical power draw.

miky702

10-19-11, 08:40 PM

Anyone interested in one OMD5 speaker in gloss black? It's barely used, in excellent condition. Please PM me if interested.

buzzy_

10-19-11, 09:10 PM

With huge capacitors and the like, an amp could produce momentary bursts of higher power, but it is simply not possible to produce continuous output that exceeds the electrical power draw.Amps with flux capacitors approach 110% efficiency at 88 miles per hour.

losservatore

10-20-11, 05:09 PM

vanns have customer returned open-box Mirage OMD-28 Rosewood from the clearance center for $909 each is $1,818 for the pair with full warranty.

pjb16

10-20-11, 08:22 PM

vanns have customer returned open-box Mirage OMD-28 Rosewood from the clearance center for $909 each is $1,818 for the pair with full warranty.

If these were the black model I would seriously consider getting them.

I'm waiting for a pair of OMD-Rs (in black) to hit the clearance center though.

WhskyTangoFoxtrt

10-20-11, 09:04 PM

If these were the black model I would seriously consider getting them.

I'm waiting for a pair of OMD-Rs (in black) to hit the clearance center though.

I have 2 OMD-Rs (Gloss Black) that I'm willing to part with.

They have never been used.

dr_gallup

10-23-11, 10:28 AM

I've got 2 OMD-15s, 2-OMD 5s, and an OMD-C1 on order...

For about the same amount of money I can either get:

a. Onkyo TX-NR809 + Emotiva XPA-3
b. Pioneer Elite SC-55

Do you think I would get better sound using the Emotiva to drive the fronts and the Onkyo to drive the surrounds, or the Pioneer driving the whole system?

Also, any recommendations on subs to go with the OMDs?

Thanks for your help!

Why not just get the NR-809 unless you want the 9.1 capabilities of the Pioneer?? Spend the extra on a really good sub. The Pioneer is only rated for 5W more than the Onkyo, totally insignificant. Even the Emotive @ 200 W really isn't significantly more powerful, 200 W will only play 1.7 dB louder than 135 W. With amps, if you aren't at least doubling the power (3 dB), you're just wasting money.

So many of the subs on the market are jokes, they either don't go low enough or they don't play loud enough. They are just designed to give "normal" bass response to little bitty speaker systems that have no bass at all. I like my 18" JBL 2245H in a 12 cu ft enclosure. It's actually overkill as it will play a lot louder than the OMD's but it doesn't even break a sweat rattling the walls. I even dropped the power driving it from 600 W to 200 W & it doesn't need that much to match the OMD's.

tommylicious

10-25-11, 01:14 PM

Can anyone compare the sound quality of Omni S8 to Prestige S8? I noticed the Omni is bit heavier.

tommylicious

10-28-11, 12:55 PM

gents FYI I'm looking to buy a well-loved OMD-C1 in black if anyone has

mlpetrozelli

10-28-11, 01:21 PM

Can anyone recommend some nice tilting speaker mounts for my MX's? I ordered a set from Monoprice but the issues are: 1) these are keyhole only; 2) the wire openings are right below the keyhole; 3) wires are visible once mounted.

What I am finding is that it is nearly impossible to find a set that conceals wiring, plays nice with keyholes, and properly fit the rounded back of these speakers. In a perfect world the mount/extension arm would feed the wiring and open at the end for discrete connection.

tommylicious

10-29-11, 01:06 PM

is the OMD-C1 table stand necessary ie does it sound better with it? thanks.

alphaiii

10-29-11, 01:43 PM

Seems Vann's has alot of Rosewood OMD-5's to unload... they had over 100 on ebay at a pretty low price... about 40 left...

Yet I tried to talk them into offering the Maple for the same price and all I get is "The best price I can offer is the current price."

Bummer, now that I want a pair of Maple they're $50 more than the price I could've gotten them for not long ago. I suppose timing is everything...:rolleyes:

And to top it off I missed a Maple pair on Audiogon today for $200...

lightbox

10-30-11, 07:27 AM

audit13

10-30-11, 04:13 PM

Just wait. Periodically, Vanns puts the maple finish version on sale too.

This is true; however, the last time I saw them on sale was when I purchased them in January of this year. There were $129.88 each.

Perpendicular

10-30-11, 05:59 PM

alphaiii

10-30-11, 07:22 PM

This is true; however, the last time I saw them on sale was when I purchased them in January of this year. There were $129.88 each.

I was able to get a pair in Feb I think for around $109 per speaker during a call-in sale...

I returned them at the time in favor of something else, but I've been kicking myself a bit lately.... should've kept them.

dr_gallup

10-31-11, 03:32 PM

is the OMD-C1 table stand necessary ie does it sound better with it? thanks.

The OMD-C1 doesn't have a flat bottom surface to sit on so it is kind of necessary. I don't like it though as it does not hold the speaker securely. I used it for a little while before I wall mounted my OMD-C1 upside down in a tray ceiling recess.

dr_gallup

10-31-11, 03:43 PM

I really like the look of the "Maple" finish.
I wonder how they look in-person.

I've got 4 maple finish OMD5's and an OMDC1. I think they look great. At the time I bought them Vanns had the maple priced cheaper than the rosewood for both speakers. Right now the maple OMD-c1 is $50 cheaper than rosewood but the OMD5 is the same price for either finish. Doesn't make any sense. Seems like you can wait a week and it will change. For supposedly "closing out" these speakers they sure have a lot of them.

Still, great deal all considered.

audit13

10-31-11, 07:31 PM

I was able to get a pair in Feb I think for around $109 per speaker during a call-in sale...

I returned them at the time in favor of something else, but I've been kicking myself a bit lately.... should've kept them.

That's a great price. I'm in Canada and, since Vanns won't ship to Canada, I couldn't call in to get any deals. I had to settle for the $130 online price.

BTW, the pics on Vanns do not do any justice to the maple finish. They are awesome in real life!

Perpendicular

11-01-11, 12:43 AM

I've got 4 maple finish OMD5's and an OMDC1. I think they look great. At the time I bought them Vanns had the maple priced cheaper than the rosewood for both speakers. Right now the maple OMD-c1 is $50 cheaper than rosewood but the OMD5 is the same price for either finish. Doesn't make any sense. Seems like you can wait a week and it will change. For supposedly "closing out" these speakers they sure have a lot of them.

Still, great deal all considered.
I've been itching to get the Maple flavored ones. I already have two MM-8 Subs that I picked up through Vanns a few weeks ago. So, I'm set there. How much better is the OMD-C1 used as a center as opposed to using a OMD-5?

BTW: I don't know why anyone would think these speakers are being closed out. If that were the case, they would have sold out by now. I heard through the grapevine that sometime in 2009, they decided to discontinue the line, but it started to sell so well that they decided to keep manufacturing them, and sell at a reduced price through Vanns. Though, I have not heard any news lately.

b4z

11-01-11, 06:12 PM

Going forward:
Would like to see a modified OMD-5 that is an inch or two taller but with the same depth and form factor. The added interior volume will give a tad more bass.
The form factor is one of the best things about the OMD-5 and also the fact that it is a sealed design.
The next improvement I would like to see is an improved tweeter. Whether it is titanium or whatever, as long as it gives a little more "air".
I think these two changes could make it a giant killer(if it isn't already at only$169!).
On another note I wish that Mirage would offer a sealed 10" woofer for tighter bass.
Paired together it could be a fairly high end system for the discriminating 2.1 listener or an awesome sounding 5.1-7.1 home theater system with a smalller form factor.

b4z

11-01-11, 06:13 PM

dr_gallup

11-03-11, 08:13 PM

I've been itching to get the Maple flavored ones. I already have two MM-8 Subs that I picked up through Vanns a few weeks ago. So, I'm set there. How much better is the OMD-C1 used as a center as opposed to using a OMD-5?

BTW: I don't know why anyone would think these speakers are being closed out. If that were the case, they would have sold out by now. I heard through the grapevine that sometime in 2009, they decided to discontinue the line, but it started to sell so well that they decided to keep manufacturing them, and sell at a reduced price through Vanns. Though, I have not heard any news lately.

In my case it was more a matter of placement as far as the OMD-C1 goes. You would think the OMD=C1 could handle a little more power or go lower or play louder with the dual woofers but not according to the specs on Vanns. I'm crossing them all over at 80 Hz to the sub so the bass extension is fine.

As far as the "closeout" goes, I can see that sales would improve dramatically compared to the original prices which were a little over the top. There used to be more finishes which are no longer available. That may just be a cost cutting issue. I tried to find a pair of OMD-15's in maple, Vanns said they used to make them but no longer available. Mirage still shows the OMD-28 in maple but Vanns doesn't.

Can't justify the price of OMD-28 even if it was available in maple, don't need the deeper bass response with the sub. They need twice as much power as the efficiency is 3 dB lower.

reverse

11-09-11, 10:11 AM

Just a heads up...

Mirage OMD-C2 only $699 @ Vanns right now!

3In2Out

11-15-11, 10:57 AM

Any recommedations on in-ceilings?

Currently running some nanosats at "surrounds" but Im thinking some in ceilings would give me better placement options. The surrounds are currently more like sides in my setup space I have. lol

Expletive

11-15-11, 12:41 PM

WhskyTangoFoxtrt

11-15-11, 03:10 PM

Whats the difference between the OSC3 and the OMD 5? OMD 5 has slightly different specs and a larger woofer but costs abotu $40 less per speaker. Also, the mirage website doesn't list an MSRP of the OMD5 so there's no way to judge as where it falls in their lineup from a 'foodchain' perspective.

I am putting together a 2.1 system and happened to buy a mirage s8 sub a year ago so am thinking of adding either of these as fronts to go with my 60" plasma. WIthout knowing more i'm having a tough time figuring out which to go with.

The OMD line was discontinued several years ago and has subsequently been raised from the dead by Vann's as its exclusive distributor. OMD was the flagship line of Mirage and featured the OMD-28, OMD-15, OMD-R, OMD-5, OMD-C1, and the OMD-C2.

http://www.miragespeakers.com/images/download/316.aspx

The OMD-5 is a better speaker than the OS3, in my opinion.

ccspruce

11-21-11, 09:18 PM

gents FYI I'm looking to buy a well-loved OMD-C1 in black if anyone has

I have an OMD-C1 if you are still interested. The speaker is mint condition. I would put it in "like new" condition.

Solid-State

11-23-11, 07:19 AM

I love these speakers but I've never put any time listening to the center channel models. I'm curious what you Mirage aficionados think about the C1 vers. C2

MCATUCCI

11-23-11, 03:13 PM

Just bit the bullet and grabbed some OMD15's for 450 each at Vanns. I brought the OMD5's last week and love the sound. It's a nice upgrade over the Nanosats. Really looking forward to the 15's.

Not sure of the rules here (mods please delete if I am out of line) but I have 5 of the newer all black Nanosats and a Nano center I will make someone a great deal on. You can message me here if interested.

soundofatrain

11-23-11, 08:18 PM

MCATUCCI

11-23-11, 10:31 PM

I received a Vann's Loyal customer 10% off coupon in the mail this week. Considering all the positive reviews and at that price I had to pull the trigger.

THANKGOD4PLASMA

11-24-11, 11:36 AM

Picking up a omd-c2 in the next few days, if anyone is interested in the omd-c1 in rosewood, let me know, I'm letting it go cheap.

hwassenaar@telus

11-26-11, 05:54 PM

Can anyone tell me where i can purchase some woofers and tweeters for the omni 250 speakers?

Bluvette

11-26-11, 06:58 PM

Contact Mirage, they should be able to help. I ordered from them before.

SRQ_Diesel

11-27-11, 06:51 AM

I have a large family room with an open plan that also contains my kitchen. It does get rather noisy/echo, and with the tile floors, it makes it worse. How would the OMD-15 do in a large family room/kitchen with tile floors? 33x23x10. The front edge of the sofa is approximately 10' from the wall where the tv is sitting inside of a custom wall unit that my father-in-law built.

stagflation

11-27-11, 08:28 AM

Hi - I picked up an omni system on Vanns a long time ago, so 350's for fronts 150's for surrounds and a C150 for center.

Now the WAF for the center has gone to ZERO. What can I get for a center that will match my 350's tonally?

tommylicious

11-29-11, 11:44 AM

sorry wrong forum

WhskyTangoFoxtrt

11-29-11, 12:16 PM

...It does get rather noisy/echo, and with the tile floors, it makes it worse. How would the OMD-15 do in a large family room/kitchen with tile floors? 33x23x10...

A lot of hard surfaces can negatively impact any speaker -- maybe more so with the Omnipolar OMDs. You might try adding thick rugs, curtains, and furniture to help out with the echo. There are also some interesting sound-absorbing panels that can be printed with your choice of artwork, to help disguise them. If you have the time and tools, you can even make your own.

Hi - I picked up an omni system on Vanns a long time ago, so 350's for fronts 150's for surrounds and a C150 for center.

Now the WAF for the center has gone to ZERO. What can I get for a center that will match my 350's tonally?

I guess you could consider another speaker from Mirage, since it may sound similar due to the Omnipolar design. Whatever your choice, it will not be voice-matched to the 350s and is a compromise.

stagflation

11-30-11, 12:28 AM

I guess you could consider another speaker from Mirage, since it may sound similar due to the Omnipolar design. Whatever your choice, it will not be voice-matched to the 350s and is a compromise.

Thank you. Looking at the OS3CC now.

I really doubt this, but does anybody know how the OS3CC stacks up vs. my old omni C150?

THANKGOD4PLASMA

12-06-11, 06:46 PM

Taking delivery of a OMD-C2 in rosewood on Thursday, really looking forward to breaking this monster in!

THANKGOD4PLASMA

12-08-11, 06:59 PM

Spiros_GR

12-11-11, 02:57 AM

the virus in you is alive and kicking....:)

David_B

12-11-11, 04:15 PM

Unfortunatly, the OMD-R is a huge upgrade over the OMD-5s. I have both and put both as surrounds and the OMD-R is way better.

I've been thinking of getting the C2 to replace my C1, and use them with my OMD-15s.

If you get the OMD-Rs you could use the 5's as high's or wide's or rear's. :D

Received my OMD-C2 today! Wow this speaker is HUGE!!! I mean I knew it was big but not this big. Not even broken in the sound completely destroys my C1, it is not even close. At 2 1/2 times the price it should be though. As much as I love my OMD-5's I wonder if the difference between the OMD-R and OMD-5 is as huge as the C1 and C2. May be time for another upgrade.

tommylicious

12-12-11, 11:07 AM

Gents do you know if OMD-15's were ever offered in Maple or was that just the 28's, 15's and center channels? thanks.

swissjowa

12-12-11, 08:12 PM

Hello everyone,

I'm new here.

Could you tell me if a OMD-C1 would fit with my nanosats prestige ?

4 Nanosat Prestige
Yamaha RX A710
Still looking for a sub

Thanks

kyle454

12-12-11, 11:46 PM

I would like to know if anyone upgraded from the OS3 Floorstanding speakers.

what did you upgrade to?
was there a noticeable difference from the os3's?

I want to upgrade but I'm also looking for new speakers that will be a significant and noticeable difference....my budget is $1500 and I kinda wanna go with smaller speakers on stands, opinions? suggestions?

thanks in advance!

lightbox

12-13-11, 06:35 AM

Gents do you know if OMD-15's were ever offered in Maple or was that just the 28's, 15's and center channels? thanks.
I have the original Mirage product brochure that includes the OMD-series, and it doesn't include maple among the finishes for the OMD-15. However, it also doesn't include maple among the finishes for the OMD-5 and OMD-C1, both of which did become available in that finish. Nevertheless, I've never seen any picture or even mention of the OMD-15 in maple.

MCATUCCI

12-13-11, 12:58 PM

Vann's has the OMD15 towers down to 479.88

ShapS

12-18-11, 08:36 AM

Received my OMD-C2 today! Wow this speaker is HUGE!!! I mean I knew it was big but not this big. Not even broken in the sound completely destroys my C1, it is not even close. At 2 1/2 times the price it should be though. As much as I love my OMD-5's I wonder if the difference between the OMD-R and OMD-5 is as huge as the C1 and C2. May be time for another upgrade.

What exactly is better then the C1? Clarity, response, range, looks?

I personally am not sure I like the C2 design over the C1, but would love a mini review, always looking at upgrades :)

swissjowa

12-18-11, 12:48 PM

Hello everyone,

I'm new here.

Could you tell me if a OMD-C1 would fit with my nanosats prestige ?

4 Nanosat Prestige
Yamaha RX A710
Still looking for a sub

Thanks

After talking to Mirage, they suggested to match my Nanosat prestige with an OS3-CC instead of the OMD-C1.

David_B

12-18-11, 07:45 PM

The C2 and the OMD-28s are pretty inefficient speakers and would take a lot of power.

I wouldn't mix the C2 with OMD-15s, the 15s are more efficient.

Surprisingly the OMD-Rs are about as efficient as the 15s and C1.

What exactly is better then the C1? Clarity, response, range, looks?

I personally am not sure I like the C2 design over the C1, but would love a mini review, always looking at upgrades :)

tommylicious

12-19-11, 12:50 PM

the whole OMD range need fairly beefy amplification i've found but are excellent speakers.

THANKGOD4PLASMA

12-21-11, 09:47 PM

What exactly is better then the C1? Clarity, response, range, looks?

I personally am not sure I like the C2 design over the C1, but would love a mini review, always looking at upgrades :)
Everything about the C2 is better than the C1. Build quality, parts quality, voices, music, far better lows, smoother highs. As a matter of fact, after the break in, I hooked it up to the right front channel and directly compared it to my OMD-15, and the C2 is quite a bit better overall minus a little downward reach. I may sell my 15's and buy two more C2's, I am that pleased with this speaker. Oh and bye bye Omd-5, hello Omd-r!!!

tractng

12-25-11, 09:23 PM

Bluvette

12-26-11, 06:11 AM

Would you guys keep a spare OMD28 & OMD-C2 speaker grill around? I am cleaning the garage and need to throw stuff away. Mirage sent me one of each for replacements.

Btw, I have kept it for around 2 years already in their original box :)

Tntrac

If you have not used them by now toss them. Hey buddy how have you been? Long time no see. Still running the 28's??

lightbox

12-26-11, 07:39 AM

Would you guys keep a spare OMD28 & OMD-C2 speaker grill around? I am cleaning the garage and need to throw stuff away. Mirage sent me one of each for replacements.
Murphy's Law says that shortly after you throw them away, you will break one of your own grills. Therefore, keeping the spares on hand prevents you from needing them.

Actually, DO NOT throw them away. Offer them to someone here who will pay you for the cost of shipping.

btillman

12-26-11, 08:07 AM

I agree with pretty much everything that has been said about omd-c2. I bought mine new in September and I immediately sold my Definitive Technology clr-3000. When I first got the c2 I was not impressed. Everything sounded veiled and kind of lifeless. I'm now about 80 hours in and it sounds amazing!!! The c2's sound is open and very detailed in a way the clr-3000 never was and I loved the 3000. It's also true that this thing needs some power. I'm running mine off of one channel of a 250 watt ATI amp. I'm also not using the 28's as my mains but a pair of om5s. The sound stage is seamless.

tractng

12-26-11, 02:38 PM

If you have not used them by now toss them. Hey buddy how have you been? Long time no see. Still running the 28's??

I am doing great. I am still running the OMD 28. What about yourself? I haven't been to the forum for a while now, trying to avoid the debt :).

I love your setup!

tony

kyle454

12-26-11, 06:48 PM

can someone please tell me if upgrading from os3 floor standing speakers to OMD15 speakers, will be a noticeable difference?

thanks in advance!

Bluvette

12-26-11, 10:46 PM

I am doing great. I am still running the OMD 28. What about yourself? I haven't been to the forum for a while now, trying to avoid the debt :).

I love your setup!

tony

All good here. Thanks for the kind words on my setup. I hear you on that, if you stay away from here a while you save money. :D

can someone please tell me if upgrading from os3 floor standing speakers to OMD15 speakers, will be a noticeable difference?

thanks in advance!

The 15's will make a huge difference. The OMD series is Mirage flagship speakers. The 15's will have much more bass, detail, clarity. Over all better all around.

Spiros_GR

12-27-11, 01:14 AM

I may sell my 15's and buy two more C2's, I am that pleased with this speaker.
Man,if you do that please let me know of the result....
you have triggered my curiosity...it would be the ultimate solution for me as I want to built a 2-channel system and adding a second sub to my front line....
OMD quality at a fraction of their size placed on my AV racks....

and why not a full 7-channel system with C-2's?

dr_gallup

12-29-11, 04:41 PM

I was just looking at Vann's site and the only maple finish speaker they show is the C1. Is the maple finish being eliminated? I really like m maple C1 and four OMD5. Wish I could get maple OMD 15's.

Have the OMDR's ever been produced in anything other than black? Seems very strange that it's not possible to put together a complete system in every finish.

Slickman

01-01-12, 08:31 PM

Do you guys point your OMDs toward the listening position? I was wondering if this was necessary with Mirage speakers.

pjb16

01-01-12, 08:42 PM

Not sure if it's necessary, but I do with my 4 15's.

buzzy_

01-02-12, 05:10 AM

I "toe in" Mirage speakers and would suggest it. The sound is better or louder on-axis, IMO. It also usually turns them away from the walls, which is a good thing IMO.

dr_gallup

01-02-12, 12:27 PM

I toe in the front left and right speakers (15'S). The center (c1), left & right surrounds and rears are normal to the walls (4 X 5'S).

lightbox

01-03-12, 07:10 AM

The effect of speaker toe-in toward the listening postion will be determined by the specific room characteristics, and this is particularly the case with the Mirage speaker design that uses more room-reflected sound than most other speakers. There's no generic answer to the question. Just try it in your room and see if it sounds better/worse than without toe-in.

designmule

01-03-12, 01:42 PM

The owners manual for the OMD series suggests that you can toe the speakers in slightly if the speakers are not producing a strong central image.

I think the two keywords here are "can" and "slightly" which, to me, suggest the Mirage position on toe-in.

Slickman

01-05-12, 05:23 AM

Does anyone have any extra wall mount plastic pieces from your OMD-5 or OMD-C1? I want to mount my OMD-C1 above my tv, but I can't find the little plastic piece that your screw on the wall. It's the one that has the slot in it to slide the screw that's in the back of the speaker into it. If anyone has an extra that they aren't using, can you please send one to me? PM me if you can, I would greatly appreciate it, thanks.

alphaiii

01-05-12, 10:35 AM

Slickman

01-05-12, 10:57 AM

I actually may have an extra. Let me check when I get home from work tonight and I'll get back to you.

That would be awesome. Right now I have the center above my tv on the shelf that my old speaker was on and it sounds terrible. The tweeter is already pointed slightly up on the speaker as it is, and then putting it above the tv makes the sound go even higher up, so it sounds like the voices are more toward the ceiling. :( Mounting it on the wall upside down will fix this issue. :)

GordonP.

01-05-12, 11:48 AM

I have a 1700 sq ft carpeted basement, mostly open with just one interior staircase wall. I am looking for a pair of speakers that I could run off the "B" output of my stereo receiver, that hopefully would fill my basement and provide a decent listening experience from multiple listening positions.

Do you think a pair of OMD 15's would do a decent job? I have a 15 inch 1000 watt subwoofer, so bass extension is not that important. And I don't want an extremely loud volume from the speakers, just a pleasant dispersed sound. Is it possible that even a pair of OMD 5's would be loud enough? I've never heard mirage speakers so I don't know exactly how spread out the sound is.

Slickman

01-05-12, 07:17 PM

If no one has an extra wall bracket, do you guys think this would work with the OMD-C1?

http://www.amazon.com/OmniMount-Stainless-Steel-Speaker-Mount/dp/B00013BNLQ/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

I tried searching but I can't figure out the thread size on the OMD-C1.

Bluvette

01-05-12, 08:05 PM

Bluvette

01-05-12, 08:11 PM

Slickman

01-06-12, 08:54 AM

I just ordered 2 OMD-15's for my fronts, hopefully I'll notice a difference between the OMD-5's and OMD-15's.

dr_gallup

01-06-12, 11:34 AM

Slickman

01-06-12, 11:55 AM

They will be in the same spot my OMD-5s are, I have my OMD-5's on stands. On the stands the OMD-5's are exactly 40" too, which is the same at the 15's. I will be crossing the 15's over at 60-80 hz though, which is much lower than the 100-120 hz that I cross my 5's over at. Should give me a much fuller sound I would think.

pjb16

01-06-12, 12:17 PM

Man, I was going to get some OMD-Rs for front heights but clearance OMD-28's are tempting me to take the place of my fronts and make my current fronts into wides.

My wife would probably kill me though. lol

alphaiii

01-06-12, 02:54 PM

That would be awesome. Right now I have the center above my tv on the shelf that my old speaker was on and it sounds terrible. The tweeter is already pointed slightly up on the speaker as it is, and then putting it above the tv makes the sound go even higher up, so it sounds like the voices are more toward the ceiling. :( Mounting it on the wall upside down will fix this issue. :)

Good news... I have an extra... PM me and we can arrange getting it to you. :)

lightbox

01-07-12, 07:36 AM

I just ordered 2 OMD-15's for my fronts, hopefully I'll notice a difference between the OMD-5's and OMD-15's.

If you keep the position of the midrange and tweeter the same the only real difference will be more bass extension. However, if you have the 5's on the wall and the 15's out in the room there is going to be a lot more difference in the imaging.

I have tried both OMD-5 and OMD-15 in the front position of my home theater system. (Same position, with OMD-5 on stands.) The difference is more than just bass extension (which wouldn't be very noticeable anyway if you're redirecting the bass to a subwoofer). I heard substantial improvement in the fullness of the midrange with the OMD-15.

tommylicious

01-09-12, 12:51 PM

MCATUCCI

01-09-12, 01:06 PM

I have tried both OMD-5 and OMD-15 in the front position of my home theater system. (Same position, with OMD-5 on stands.) The difference is more than just bass extension (which wouldn't be very noticeable anyway if you're redirecting the bass to a subwoofer). I heard substantial improvement in the fullness of the midrange with the OMD-15.

I will agree with this statement. There was a very noticeable improvement going from the OMD-5 to the OMD15's. Well worth the upgrade/money in my opinion if you have the room and WAF.

MCATUCCI

01-09-12, 01:07 PM

now you know why the company went under.

Mirage went out of business? That's news to me...

pjb16

01-09-12, 04:12 PM

If anyone was looking at the 28's and didn't mind a clearance models, Vanns has one up for $980 and another up for like $1120.

WhskyTangoFoxtrt

01-09-12, 06:15 PM

Mirage went out of business? That's news to me...

The brand is still around.

Mirage was purchased by the Klipsch group which was subsequently purchased by Audiovox, I believe.

Bluvette

01-09-12, 08:13 PM

The brand is still around.

Mirage was purchased by the Klipsch group which was subsequently purchased by Audiovox, I believe.

You are correct sir. :D

5seonds

01-10-12, 03:35 PM

Hi,

I was looking at getting a pair of OMD-5s for a music-only setup. I currently have a pair of Energy CB-20s paired with 2 cheaper subs, and I just wanted to ask a few questions. I actually really like the CB-20s, but I love the design of the OMD-5 and they seem to get good reviews.

The only real place for the speakers are on the top of an upright piano. It places the speakers at least 18-24" above ear height. With the unusual design of these speakers, will this cause a problem? The CB-20s sound pretty good where they are, but with the different style of sound projection, I was curious.

Does anyone have experience with the CB-20s or any Energy connoisseur range, and know how the OMD-5s perform against them? Would this be much of an upgrade?

Does anyone know where I can get these reasonably in Canada, preferably in Calgary?

I listen to mostly Jazz, the speakers would be in a 450 ft2 livingroom, paired with a couple of smaller subs and powered by a Harman/Kardon AVR 135. Signal fed from an Integra DPS 6.5 CD/SACD/DVD player and Apple Lossless files from an AppleTV.

Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks.

spork42

01-10-12, 04:02 PM

5seonds

01-10-12, 04:20 PM

I have not heard the CB-20s, but I really, really like the OMD-5s.

Most people will say to mount them upside down if they are off the ground by 6 feet or more.

Personally, I believe mine to sound best below ear height, and I would mount them upside down high up on a wall if below ear height is not an option.

As such, I would personally say that your situation is borderline as far as optimal placement goes, but you may be able to get away with it.

As for where to get them, I believe that the OMD line is now sold exclusively through Vanns, or is that only for the US?

Thanks for the reply! I wrote to the Canadian distributor of Mirage, and they stated that the OMD-5 is not available in Canada. Still, I can always ship them to friends in the States.

I'm not sure about getting them yet, but they look great and by all accounts sound great, so it might just happen. Any other comments much appreciated!

5seonds

01-10-12, 09:05 PM

I just measured the piano height, and the top sits about 9" above ear height, putting the tweeter at about 18" above ear height. Is that still enough to cause problems, or will I get away with that?

kayvan79

01-10-12, 09:52 PM

I just measured the piano height, and the top sits about 9" above ear height, putting the tweeter at about 18" above ear height. Is that still enough to cause problems, or will I get away with that?

I have both the CB-20 and the OMD-5. I wouldnt say the differences are night and day between them. Are there any reasons you want the OMD-5 other than asthetics? The CB-20's have more low end extension due to them being a bass reflex design. I have my OMD-5 below ear level and like them there. If yours would be that much above your ear level they would sound best if you mounted them upside as previously said. It wouldnt hurt to try if you really wanted however. They are very nice looking.

5seonds

01-10-12, 10:58 PM

I have both the CB-20 and the OMD-5. I wouldnt say the differences are night and day between them. Are there any reasons you want the OMD-5 other than asthetics? The CB-20's have more low end extension due to them being a bass reflex design. I have my OMD-5 below ear level and like them there. If yours would be that much above your ear level they would sound best if you mounted them upside as previously said. It wouldnt hurt to try if you really wanted however. They are very nice looking.

No real reason, I love how they look and I wanted to try a different speaker. I appreciate the comments, especially about the height.

ematcion

01-11-12, 02:05 AM

According to this bit of news on the CES at hometheater.com (http://www.hometheater.com/content/are-these-jamos-mirage), Jamo is now Mirage.

RIP Mirage

Next in line, Energy

millkito03

01-11-12, 02:43 AM

Sub wise i have a Paradigm Servo 15 Mk1, and just picked up a BPS-150i which i may try as a dual sub set-up (The 150i was in a stupidly cheap deal with a pair of OM-R2's and the OM-C2 i wanted)http://www.reconnectyourlife.info/huangjh.jpg
http://www.reconnectyourlife.info/huanght.jpg
http://www.reconnectyourlife.info/huanggd.jpg

buzzy_

01-11-12, 05:38 AM

According to this bit of news on the CES at hometheater.com (http://www.hometheater.com/content/are-these-jamos-mirage), Jamo is now Mirage.

RIP Mirage

Next in line, EnergyInteresting. So -

" There will be no new products labeled Mirage, bringing an end to the historic Canadian speaker brand." Presumably they'll keep making the sub/sat systems that seem to be selling for them, in one way or another.

I wonder if Jamo is a brand with any consumer awareness or value in Europe, etc? Because it sure isn't here, IMO.

Also, it's interesting that they have created a tiny Orb-like speaker. ("Omnisphere") I understand the pressure to make pretty stuff that sells, but it's a demonstration of how sound quality takes a back seat in the current broader market.

There's a little more info here:
http://www.twice.com/article/478874-Jamo_Speakers_Add_Omnipolar_Technology.php?rssid=20313

5seonds

01-11-12, 09:34 AM

And even more here, from last autumn

http://www.twice.com/article/473460-Jamo_Mirage_Strategies_Taking_Shape_At_CEDIA.php

Talking about Mirage as a line within the Jamo range, and detailing 4 speakers (2 orb speakers, a floorstander and a centre)

tommylicious

01-11-12, 10:14 AM

Gents if anyone has a nice OMD5 pair for sale I am interested-- Maple, Black or Rosewood OK. ty.

ematcion

01-11-12, 10:23 AM

I wonder if Jamo is a brand with any consumer awareness or value in Europe, etc? Because it sure isn't here, IMO.

Audiovox/Klipsch already has a rebranded Jamo floorstanding speaker selling as an Energy speaker at newegg.com. Slowly, but surely....

I just realized Audiovox/Klipsch is responsible for the death of speaker brands such as Acoustic Research (AR), Advent, Athena Technolgies, and now, Mirage.

tommylicious

01-12-12, 08:29 AM

Member OMD5 I got your Private Message but I think your settings aren't enabled to receive private messages. Please ping me when you've enabled thanks.

Slickman

01-13-12, 09:17 PM

Finally got my whole OMD 7.1 system set up. I demo'd it some with Tron Legacy which is in 7.1. The sound is absolutely stunning, I've never heard a movie sound this good in my life. My jaw dropped when the recognizers(see pic below) flew overhead from back to front. You can't get the full effect of it in 5.1. You can hear it coming behind you with the back speakers, then the sound perfectly pans from the back speakers to the side speakers and then to the front. My 5.1 movies in Dolby Pro Logic iix also sound amazing. It's much easier to tell when something is coming from the right or left when you have 2 speakers on each side instead of one. So yeah, I'm so glad I was able to score the OMDs before they sell out. :D

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100507033726/tron/images/thumb/c/cf/Reco_nextgen_render.jpg/830px-Reco_nextgen_render.jpg

tommylicious

01-15-12, 09:28 PM

gents i'm looking for a pair of OMD5's for a second zone. send me PM. thanks.

THANKGOD4PLASMA

01-16-12, 10:47 PM

Just broke in my pair of OMD-R, they are very sweet sounding speakers! They are everything I had hoped for and more. Better than the OMD-5 in every single way. Of course I paid 3x as much for one pair vs. the 5's. Worth every penny. I have to get another pair before they are gone.......

zebrawolf

01-17-12, 12:53 AM

Boo. Oh well, hopefully get my whole system together with nothing but mirage. Still plenty of them out on the market.

pretsam

01-19-12, 02:31 PM

I just finished my setup with OMD5 rears, OMDC1, and OMD15. I am trying to figure out the best position to setup my OMD15 in our room. Space is a little limited(big couch) and I can't really get them a couple feet off the wall nor away from the windows (at least there are blinds). I just got the OMD15 the other day from Vann's for $399 and they are still breaking in.

I have the OMD5s on 30" Sanus stands, they are about 6" away from the wall. The OMD15s are about 71" apart(not even from the tv atm i just placed them down to start breaking in) and little over 2ft apart from the OMDC1. The room isn't really IDEAL for a setup with walls.. The room is very open with 20ft or so ceiling with a balcony looking over and no wall to the kitchen so it is connected as well. So far I think they sound amazing even with just breaking the OMD15s in. I had Cambridge Audio MinxMin10 before. The left OMD15 I can't really move toward the TV anymore due to the vent on the floor.. I can't really move the right OMD15 up off the wall due to limited walk area with the couch there. Any suggestions would be great! Or if I should just move the right OMD15 to the side more an just toe both of them in some? Where I sit on the couch its about 11ft from OMD15 and 4-5ft from the OMD5s. The room is very open. Also what should I have the bass-cross over set to, I can only change 1 option on my receiver for all speakers 60hz or 80hz? Excuse the mess been moving some stuff around.

Yamaha RX-867
OMD15
OMDC1
OMD5
Velodyne 15 CHT-15 (oldie my dad gave me it, in mint condition)

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purdyd

01-20-12, 01:56 PM

New, for me, omd5 ceiling mount with omnimount 20.0

234806

spork42

01-20-12, 03:03 PM

dr_gallup

01-20-12, 04:31 PM

New, for me, omd5 ceiling mount with omnimount 20.0

234806

I think I'm going to try mounting my OMD5's upside down on the walls. I've got them sitting on furniture right now so they are not at the same height. 3 of 4 are above ear level. If I wall mount them they will all be the same. I'll just use the stock mount. Kind of cheesy but it works and doesn't cost anything. Won't take long and it looks like rain.

purdyd

01-20-12, 05:25 PM

I think I'm going to try mounting my OMD5's upside down on the walls. I've got them sitting on furniture right now so they are not at the same height. 3 of 4 are above ear level. If I wall mount them they will all be the same. I'll just use the stock mount. Kind of cheesy but it works and doesn't cost anything. Won't take long and it looks like rain.

Yeah I think they are one of the few speakers that sound good above you because of the way they disperse sound

pretsam

01-20-12, 08:51 PM

@pretsam - Between 60 and 80 for the sub's crossover, the OMD-5s and the C2 are going to do best with 80. The 15s can do far lower, into the 40s, but if you can't adjust the crossover per channel, you're best bet is to stick with 80.

Ok, I'll just leave it at 80.. The 15s are very close to the 100hr break in mark, so I can finally start turning them up a little more. I did toe them in slightly to see if I could maybe notice any difference. I noticed a little more of the sound in the center that way. I just left all the speakers as "small" also.

buzzy_

01-21-12, 05:59 AM

Yeah I think they are one of the few speakers that sound good above you because of the way they disperse soundIMO they work much better above you and upside down.

Bluvette

01-21-12, 08:37 AM

IMO they work much better above you and upside down.

I agree 100%

pretsam

01-21-12, 08:53 AM

Well, I played through a couple movies last night was able to turn them up a little bit more. They are really sounding amazing now the setup. The toe-in I think has helped a lot as well on the 15s. I left the Hz at 80 also. I tried a few scenes in Star Wars and I-Robot. They seem to fill my big ceiling room very well so far. I loved to see what the OMD5s sound like above. I just ordered a popcornHour to get rid of my computer down there.

pretsam

01-21-12, 08:55 AM

I agree 100%

Loved your setup BluVette. How much time did it take you to put into all that? It looks really well done and thought out.

pretsam

01-21-12, 09:08 AM

New, for me, omd5 ceiling mount with omnimount 20.0

234806

On the wall-mount are you having to screw into a stud at all for support with the weight?

purdyd

01-21-12, 12:28 PM

On the wall-mount are you having to screw into a stud at all for support with the weight?

I hang everything from studs if I can, this ceiling mount is in a stud

I have some nano stats holding from just Sheetrock

The omd5 is a pretty substantial speaker

Bluvette

01-21-12, 12:49 PM

Loved your setup BluVette. How much time did it take you to put into all that? It looks really well done and thought out.

Thanks, from start to finish about 2 months. I did it all in my spare time, except lay the carpet.

Bluvette

01-21-12, 12:56 PM

I hang everything from studs if I can, this ceiling mount is in a stud

I have some nano stats holding from just Sheetrock

The omd5 is a pretty substantial speaker

I also wall mounted my 5's and try to hit a stud when I can. If not I use Toggler's they work great.

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp173/Bluvette1/DSC02803.jpg

b4z

01-21-12, 01:00 PM

purdyd

01-21-12, 03:18 PM

I also wall mounted my 5's and try to hit a stud when I can. If not I use Toggler's they work great.

I simply have an extreme bias against any toggle. Don't trust them and hate the hole they make in the wall.

I see you have a sound pressure meter on a tripod in your pic.... You must be an audio nerd ;)

pretsam

01-21-12, 06:51 PM

I've got mine at 100hz because they have already started rolling off at 80 hz.

How or what kinda signs do you look for when they roll off?

pretsam

01-21-12, 06:53 PM

Are you guys using banana clips in the back of your speakers or bare wire? I've looked all over for like a L shaped banana clip but no success.

afrogt

01-21-12, 07:11 PM

I've never seen an L shaped banana plug. Maybe bare wire is your best solution if you have the no room for regular banana plugs.

purdyd

01-21-12, 07:38 PM

Are you guys using banana clips in the back of your speakers or bare wire? I've looked all over for like a L shaped banana clip but no success.

The mirage speakers have great posts, I wouldn't bother with banana plugs

Bluvette

01-21-12, 08:38 PM

Are you guys using banana clips in the back of your speakers or bare wire? I've looked all over for like a L shaped banana clip but no success.

This is the closest that I know of.

234946

buzzy_

01-22-12, 06:33 AM

Are you guys using banana clips in the back of your speakers or bare wire? I've looked all over for like a L shaped banana clip but no success.Try searching on 90 degree banana plug or angle banana plug

audioholics discussion (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/general-av-discussions/43572-90-degree-banana-adapters.html)

audiogon mentions some brand names (http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?fcabl&1299104992)

parts express side entry (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=091-330)

parts express angled (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=091-1075&utm_source=googleps)

EZ Hook (http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/connectors-and-adapters/banana-plugs-banana-plug-adapters/9304)

IXOS angled (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/IXOS216/IXOS-216-24kt-Gold-Angled-Speaker-Pins-2-Pair/1.html)

flatwire ones are the closest but expensive (http://www.flatwireready.com/products/audio_products/bananaA_connectors.html)

Though unless you plan to unplug and replug them regularly, banana plugs don't add any functional benefit. Some like the look. For most of my speakers, they stay wired up for years, so bare wire works for me.

b4z

01-22-12, 09:11 AM

How or what kinda signs do you look for when they roll off?

There was a test review that said they were rolling off in the '80ish haz range. Even though these are acoustic suspension speakers mirage was a little ambitious with their claims of bass.

alphaiii

01-22-12, 12:59 PM

There was a test review that said they were rolling off in the '80ish haz range. Even though these are acoustic suspension speakers mirage was a little ambitious with their claims of bass.

Home Theater Mag actually measured them as rolling off higher... -3dB was at 101Hz...

lightbox

01-23-12, 08:25 AM

Are you guys using banana clips in the back of your speakers or bare wire? I've looked all over for like a L shaped banana clip but no success.
If you need to have the wires come in at an angle, why not use spade connectors instead of bananas?

dpc123

01-23-12, 03:18 PM

Would anyone have insight on using the OMD-R as the front channels in addition to surround channels? Just wondering if they would work in that arrangement.

audioguya440

01-23-12, 03:25 PM

Hey everyone, I've been a long time follower of this thread (at least 2 years) but I have neglected join. I wanted to post a link of the CEDIA Expo brochure that shows an image of the "Mirage" MX-F45. The appearance seems to have changed significantly. Unfortunately, since I am a new member here, I can't display a URL until I have at least 3 posts.

audioguya440

01-23-12, 03:44 PM

In the meantime, I will share with you a little information I discovered regarding the energy/mirage brand. I spoke with an audio dealer near my home who attended CES 2012 in Las Vegas. He confirmed that the Mirage brand is officially dead and that their key technologies (patented omnipolar technology etc) have been relinquished to Jamo (this was mentioned previously but I just wanted to confirm). Unfortunately, he did not know whether the current Mirage speaker line (OMD-5's, OMD-28's etc) would still be made under the Jamo name. Since Jamo manufactures its own speaker drivers, its quite possible that we may never encounter an Omnipolar speaker capable of producing the same quality of sound as the old Mirage OMD line. I'm hoping that the new speakers are actually better, but I remain doubtful.

The dealer I spoke with told me that the Energy speaker line will remain intact and that its sound signature will be kept relatively the same.

audioguya440

01-23-12, 03:49 PM

audioguya440

01-23-12, 03:53 PM

Okay, I should be able to show the link now.

http://e-ditionsbyfry.com/Olive/ODE/TWISupp3/default.aspx?href=TWI%2F2011%2F09%2F08&pageno=34&entity=Pc03400&view=entity

It seems like the original tweeter omniguide has been replaced in favor of an inverted omniguide that uses the midrange woofer as a reflecting surface.

dr_gallup

01-23-12, 05:39 PM

Home Theater Mag actually measured them as rolling off higher... -3dB was at 101Hz...

Good review. Sensitivity was a little lower than Mirage claim too.

buzzy_

01-23-12, 07:43 PM

dmw5678

01-23-12, 11:59 PM

Bluvette

01-24-12, 05:15 AM

New owner of a pair of OMD-15s , OMD-5s and a OMD-C1 -- grabbed these from VANNS after reading this forum, Kudos to all on this forum for giving me the push I needed to drop down the cash and piss off the wife. I think I made a great choice, they are simply elegant in black. I can't wait until they are broken in.

Any small sub recommendations or can I get by without one with the OMD-15s?

Congrats, great setup. As for a sub how big is your room, is it open or sealed floor plan, what is your budget, and what percent movie, music do you watch or listen to??

dmw5678

01-24-12, 06:56 AM

Bluvette

01-24-12, 09:33 AM

Small room approx 20 x 30 , open hard tiled floor - looking for something I can hide(small) or high WAF factor, clear precise low end bass, Budget ~1000. I've have a Denon AVR-2112CI to power the system, possible purchase some small amps if necessary.

I tend to not play music loud.

80% music
20% Movies

Just a quick note my last system in this space was a 5.1 system from logitech hooked directly to the TV and PC. OOOOh-Boy was I missing musical clarity in this office. I've been bitten by the bug no turning back now...

I would go with dual Epik legends, Call Chad at Epik subwoofers tell him your room size and ask him his opinion. Great guy to deal with. Other subs to consider is HSU and Emotiva. I like Epik myself. http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/

dr_gallup

01-24-12, 10:11 AM

Home Theater Mag actually measured them as rolling off higher... -3dB was at 101Hz...

There was a test review that said they were rolling off in the '80ish Hz range. Even though these are acoustic suspension speakers mirage was a little ambitious with their claims of bass.

I don't think it's a problem if the OMD5 surrounds are naturally rolling off a little above the cross over frequency. There really should not be any bass going to the surrounds. I suppose if you have a really powerful amp you could over drive these speakers. Otherwise, what would you accomplish by setting the cross over higher? The main OMD15's are good to below 80 Hz.

wazzul

01-26-12, 12:46 PM

Anybody ever heard the Mirage in ceiling speakers? I'm contemplating using them instead of the current Polk ceiling speakers for my home theater surrounds.
They look great and would match better with my Mirage fronts and center.

pretsam

01-26-12, 03:50 PM

Try searching on 90 degree banana plug or angle banana plug

audioholics discussion (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/general-av-discussions/43572-90-degree-banana-adapters.html)

audiogon mentions some brand names (http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?fcabl&1299104992)

parts express side entry (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=091-330)

parts express angled (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=091-1075&utm_source=googleps)

EZ Hook (http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/connectors-and-adapters/banana-plugs-banana-plug-adapters/9304)

IXOS angled (http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/IXOS216/IXOS-216-24kt-Gold-Angled-Speaker-Pins-2-Pair/1.html)

flatwire ones are the closest but expensive (http://www.flatwireready.com/products/audio_products/bananaA_connectors.html)

Though unless you plan to unplug and replug them regularly, banana plugs don't add any functional benefit. Some like the look. For most of my speakers, they stay wired up for years, so bare wire works for me.

Thanks. I'll check them out but may just stick with bare wire on the bike of them.

pretsam

01-26-12, 03:52 PM

pretsam

01-26-12, 03:54 PM

I don't know where Vanns sources their Mirage speakers, but there's a possibility they could continue to sell them as long as there is a strong demand. I sincerely hope this is the case because they are a great bang-for-your-buck speaker line.

They have a bunch of their stuff in a big warehouse near me. I believe its all stored in a Amazon warehouse in Hebron, KY. It's like 15min away. Every time I order from them it's on my door step the next day. I just always have to pay tax on it though. Ordered my OMDC1, OMD15s and some stands from them.

pretsam

01-26-12, 04:02 PM

New owner of a pair of OMD-15s , OMD-5s and a OMD-C1 -- grabbed these from VANNS after reading this forum, Kudos to all on this forum for giving me the push I needed to drop down the cash and piss off the wife. I think I made a great choice, they are simply elegant in black. I can't wait until they are broken in.

Any small sub recommendations or can I get by without one with the OMD-15s?

I just finished my final break in on my OMD15s. I have the same setup in speakers as you. They sound great! I finally cranked it up a tiny bit and they sound amazing. Probably barely even pushing them and they rock.

dr_gallup

01-26-12, 05:36 PM

Vanns has the OMD15 in rosewood for $399 right now. I paid $450 five months ago.

Venomous

01-26-12, 05:45 PM

Thats an impressive price. Is vanns still going to be able to get the omd line made since mirage is going to get the axe?

pretsam

01-27-12, 12:15 AM

Vanns has the OMD15 in rosewood for $399 right now. I paid $450 five months ago.

When I bought my OMD15 a week half ago, like 3 days later they put the gloss black on a 1 day sale for $399 and I just happened to notice and and was able to get them to price adjust for me. Though I am still waiting on the credit to show up on my account they said it would take 7-10days. Prolly call them later today if it's not there to check on it.

dr_gallup

01-27-12, 11:20 AM

Thats an impressive price. Is vanns still going to be able to get the omd line made since mirage is going to get the axe?

From some of what I've read in the links above it sounds like no. But if they are making money and there is a market maybe they will for awhile longer. Seems like long term they are a gonner.

ShapS

01-27-12, 06:58 PM

Really sad to see them go if that is the case. I've have the 15s, 5s, and a c1 and love them all.

Venomous

01-27-12, 07:12 PM

From some of what I've read in the links above it sounds like no. But if they are making money and there is a market maybe they will for awhile longer. Seems like long term they are a gonner.

That's to bad. I almost got a pair of 28s and matching center with omd5's, but when I ran across the paradigm studio 100s with 690 center for the same price, it was a no brainier decision.

carlosn

01-31-12, 01:04 PM

Strangely enough I want to use the OMD-5 bookshelf speakers on ... a book shelf.

The family room where I intend to put them has built in shelves all along the back of the room. This is the only possible place to place them on (and it already has in-wall wires for the spakers). Is there any concern with using the speakers on a bookshelf? I'm somewhat worried about the upward facing tweeter bouncing off the shelf above and creating unexpected acoustics.

Related to the placement - the room has a wall on the right side, but is wide open on the left side (to the kitchen). Since the OMDs pride themselves in reflected rather than directional sound, will the lack of wall on one side negatively impact SQ?

Thanks
Carlos

monkuboy

01-31-12, 01:40 PM

Strangely enough I want to use the OMD-15 bookshelf speakers on ... a book shelf.

The family room where I intend to put them has built in shelves all along the back of the room. This is the only possible place to place them on (and it already has in-wall wires for the spakers). Is there any concern with using the speakers on a bookshelf? I'm somewhat worried about the upward facing tweeter bouncing off the shelf above and creating unexpected acoustics.

Related to the placement - the room has a wall on the right side, but is wide open on the left side (to the kitchen). Since the OMDs pride themselves in reflected rather than directional sound, will the lack of wall on one side negatively impact SQ?

Thanks
Carlos

DO you mean the OMD-15's or OMD-5? The 15's are over 40" high so that would be odd to put them on a bookshelf. Also, they normally sound best being out from the walls rather than up next to the wall, plus putting them so high up will also affect the sound. I don't think that would be a good idea. Now the 5's are a different story. You can put those pretty much anywhere.

carlosn

01-31-12, 02:08 PM

DO you mean the OMD-15's or OMD-5?

My bad. The OMD-5's, of course. Thanks for pointing that out!

monkuboy

01-31-12, 02:12 PM

My bad. The OMD-5's, of course. Thanks for pointing that out!

LOL.. that's what I thought you meant but you never know! :D

cmoll

02-01-12, 11:37 AM

lightbox

02-01-12, 04:21 PM

Related to the placement - the room has a wall on the right side, but is wide open on the left side (to the kitchen). Since the OMDs pride themselves in reflected rather than directional sound, will the lack of wall on one side negatively impact SQ?

My living room is like that. I find that the OMD speakers on the open side sound even more spacious than the ones n the other side. I don't find it to be a problem, particularly with the use of Audyssey calibration that compensates for the effective distance of speakers (including reflections).

purdyd

02-01-12, 07:49 PM

Has any else used Pioneers MCACC (Audacity users input welcome also) to setup their OMDs? I am using OMD15s, OMD5s, and an OMDC1. Last time I set things up I used speakers set to small and the crossover at 80Hz and I am happy with those settings.

I am wondering what people are using for the capture delay time. Previously I settled on the Pioneer generic recommendation of 30-50ms, but I didn't get a whole lot out of analyzing the reverb plots. But a good portion of our sound is through reflections and pioneer was attempting to ignore reflected sound for traditional speakers. It seems like it makes sense for us to increase the capture time to include some of the reflections as that is the whole point.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this or care to share you experience with choosing a capture delay time?

The default time for mcacc is more like 120-160 msec

You would have too look at your reverb graphs

I would say in general for base, the graph for base will start low and finish high so if you set the delay sample time to default, it may attenuate the bass more Thant it would if you used a short time,

On the other hand, you might have the reverse issue with frequencies so you might benefit from the default time

cmoll

02-01-12, 08:21 PM

The default time for mcacc is more like 120-160 msec

You would have too look at your reverb graphs

I would say in general for base, the graph for base will start low and finish high so if you set the delay sample time to default, it may attenuate the bass more Thant it would if you used a short time,

On the other hand, you might have the reverse issue with frequencies so you might benefit from the default time

You are right, the default time is longer. I think it is 80-160ms, but I think pioneer actually recommends the shorter time. Why default and recommended don't match, I have no idea.

purdyd

02-01-12, 08:28 PM

You are right, the default time is longer. I think it is 80-160ms, but I think pioneer actually recommends the shorter time. Why default and recommended don't match, I have no idea.

What it says is for optimal sound coming DIRECT from the speakers use 30-50

Again you would need to see the reverb graphs to figure out what delay time to use

Start reading here about page 13

http://files.pioneer.eu/files/brochures/04_MCACC/04_MCACC_EN.pdf

And there is a mcacc forum

I personally haven't seen any difference between the Mirage nano sat and omd 5 and conventional speakers in regards to reverb

pjb16

02-04-12, 01:58 PM

raovemula

02-04-12, 11:13 PM

Please note Vanns gives you price match only 14 days not one month.

pjb16

02-04-12, 11:29 PM

Please note Vanns gives you price match only 14 days not one month.

Cool, thanks for the heads up.

Slickman

02-05-12, 06:08 AM

Does anyone here have OMDs with a receiver that has MultEQ XT32? I have MultEQ XT and I'm going to upgrade to XT32 and I was just wondering if there will be any difference with my OMDs.

pjb16

02-05-12, 10:04 AM

Does anyone here have OMDs with a receiver that has MultEQ XT32? I have MultEQ XT and I'm going to upgrade to XT32 and I was just wondering if there will be any difference with my OMDs.

I believe my Onkyo 3008 has MultiEQ XT32, and I think the speakers sound great. However, I never used the Mirages with my Onkyo 876 which I think has XT. I'd imagine that there would be some difference, since the XT32 program is supposed to be better, but I don't think I'd upgrade a receiver just to go from XT to XT32.

lightbox

02-06-12, 08:20 AM

Does anyone here have OMDs with a receiver that has MultEQ XT32? I have MultEQ XT and I'm going to upgrade to XT32 and I was just wondering if there will be any difference with my OMDs.
I'm using a Denon AVR-4311 with MultEQ XT32 to drive my OMDs. I had never used the speakers with MultEQ XT, so I can't say how big the difference is between XT and XT32. I can say that XT32 sounds fabulous with the OMD speakers.

Because the OMDs rely so much on reflected sound, the room becomes a more important factor than with most other speakers, and a big part of what Audyssey calibration does is correct for frequency response irregularities of the room. I'm really impressed by the sound of this system.

Also, if you happen to have two subwoofers, XT32 would be a big leap over XT, because it independently calibrates the subwoofers.

dr_gallup

02-06-12, 05:28 PM

My Onkyo TX-NR809 has MultEQ XT. I've had it for about 6 months but just got around to doing the Audyssey calibration last weekend. Just FYI I've got OMD15 fronts, OMDC1 center, OMD5 surrounds & rears (4 total) and a JBL 2245 18" sub. All the OMD's are powered by the Onkyo, the sub output goes through a 1/3 octave equalizer and a separate 200 watt amp.

The procedure seemed to run fine and I went to great lengths to make sure I eliminated any spurious noise sources (turned off all ventilation and appliances, fluorescent lights, etc.). However I was very disappointed with the results. The equalized results completely killed all the base. The midrange and upper end sounded better, quite nice actually but overall the result was totally unacceptable with zero bottom end. I don't know what the problem was, all the distances and crossover frequencies it calculated were spot on. I ended up completely resetting the Onkyo as I couldn't figure out how else to get rid of the Audyssey curve and by default it is applied to every single input. I will go back and try it again, probably without the sub to see what happens.

designmule

02-08-12, 01:47 PM

Do you mind posting the settings that the 809 determined? I have an 809 which I just setup recently and the bass was over the top for my taste and the rest of my system is much less beefy than yours.

dr_gallup

02-08-12, 03:17 PM

I reset the Onkyo so all the Audyessy settings are gone.

Is there some way to see what kind of EQ the Audyssey came up with and/or tweak it? I saw the speaker distances, crossover frequencies and relative levels it calculated which were not far from what I had done by ear. But I did not see where I could see or adjust the EQ.

ShapS

02-10-12, 09:18 AM

You can easily adjust the DB level of the sub from the receiver and keep the same EQ audessey set, however this may not be what your looking for. Also, rerun and check that your amp didn't change your speakers to "small", however most recommend that no matter the size of speaker.

I had the same exact problem. I just adjusted the sub output level on the receiver to enhance the lows.

designmule

02-10-12, 10:40 AM

dr_gallup

02-10-12, 01:14 PM

Out of curiosity, how have you determined the settings on your 1/3 octave EQ? Was it by ear or by measurement? With the Audyssey you should be just fine EQ'ing the sub before running the Audyssey routine but I wonder if the two are canceling each other out.

For example, if you dialed in some boost at 50Hz (for the sake of argument) Audyssey might see it as an unnatural peak and then cut 50Hz. At this point your system, which sounded pretty good before now has much less energy at 50Hz. So you might try taking your 1/3 octave EQ out of the loop and re-run the routine.

I also wonder if maybe you were running the "double bass" option before and Audyssey has turned it off. That might be something to look into.

My Audio Control Richter Scale 1/3 octave EQ has a built in pink noise generator, mic and display which I used to EQ the sub. It also has switchable subsonic & low pass filters & several other options. It's a nice little unit.

I will try taking the EQ out of the loop and rerun Audyssey. I've never used the "double bass" option.

David_B

02-11-12, 08:04 AM

Firing your tweeter INTO the moving cone of your midrange???

That can NOT be good.

RIP Mirage and Omni-polar.

Interesting. So -

" There will be no new products labeled Mirage, bringing an end to the historic Canadian speaker brand." Presumably they'll keep making the sub/sat systems that seem to be selling for them, in one way or another.

I wonder if Jamo is a brand with any consumer awareness or value in Europe, etc? Because it sure isn't here, IMO.

Also, it's interesting that they have created a tiny Orb-like speaker. ("Omnisphere") I understand the pressure to make pretty stuff that sells, but it's a demonstration of how sound quality takes a back seat in the current broader market.

There's a little more info here:
http://www.twice.com/article/478874-Jamo_Speakers_Add_Omnipolar_Technology.php?rssid=20313

pjb16

02-11-12, 06:28 PM

Just bought 2 OMD-Rs to finish out my 9.2 system. There was an R on clearance for $280 which was nice, but it was a bit offset by full price ($350) for the other R. I wanted to take advantage of the 12 month financing, otherwise I'd have waited on the new R, but I also didn't want them to run out of speakers and me be left to find a single R for sale (since Vann's notes that the product is now in fact discontinued).

Maybe I'll get lucky and in the next 30 days they'll have a sale and I can try and get a little bit of $ back via a price match.

I ended up re-thinking my decision by Monday, and changed the R's to 5's. The 5's got here the other day (but I was out of town), and I just opened the box and they are much bigger than I was thinking they were.

I think/hope I'll be happy with them for heights.

IndyStreetRacer

02-12-12, 09:47 AM

Had been contemplating the Mirage OMD5 for my rear surrounds. Well it just so happened that Vanns was out of stock at $169.99, so I didn't spend the $340.00 for the pair. I began looking at the Mirage OmniSat 5.1 that is on sale at World Wide Stereo for $327. I just wasn't excited about it, so I kept searching. I thought about the Mirage Prestige Nano's but didn't want to pay $399 for a pair since the OMD5 were less. I stayed online and kept searching and ran across the Mirage Prestige 5 speaker package. The MSRP on Mirage site is $949 which seems inflated, but Vanns has it listed for $499 on their site. When I searched Google Shopping I found Vanns selling it for $399 on ebay with free shipping and no tax, so I jumped on it. I can use the center in place of my Polk CS2 since it blocks my remote infared on my tv and I can use all 4 satelites as my rear and side surrounds for the price of just 2 speakers. I am now a very happy camper and now just have to wait for the package to arrive, hopefully by Friday.

matrixj3

02-13-12, 04:34 PM

What mounts do you use for the OMD 5's? Does monoprice have them? I want to mount mine upside down from a side wall or ceiling.

pjb16

02-13-12, 05:03 PM

What mounts do you use for the OMD 5's? Does monoprice have them? I want to mount mine upside down from a side wall or ceiling.

I haven't mounted them yet, but they come with a bracket for the wall.

pjb16

02-13-12, 11:28 PM

pretsam

02-14-12, 03:58 PM

Well, I had to get one of my midrange woofers replaced on my OMD15. Little after the 100hr break in I noticed it started to rattle/vibrate a tiny bit. It didn't do it all the time only off and on some but it was noticeable when it did do it. Vann's was going to send me a whole new tower but I threw away the boxes so they said they couldn't do that then unless I purchased a new tower then sent it back in that same box an they would refund me. Contacted Klipsch the other day and they are sending a new woofer out should be here in 5 days they said. They didn't say anything about sending the other woofer back to them though.

THANKGOD4PLASMA

02-14-12, 04:55 PM

I ended up re-thinking my decision by Monday, and changed the R's to 5's. The 5's got here the other day (but I was out of town), and I just opened the box and they are much bigger than I was thinking they were.

I think/hope I'll be happy with them for heights.

Thanks for cancelling the one you got from clearance, I picked it up for $244

MCATUCCI

02-14-12, 05:29 PM

So I'm running just the OMD-5's at low levels right now to break them in, and holy crap music sounds good on them. They're extremely clear.

I didn't expect them to sound so good since they aren't broken in, but also because they aren't big at all (in comparison to all the other OMD speakers).

I was blown away at just how good those 5's sounded too :)
I orginally brought 4 of them to use as fronts and surrounds but sent two back and upgraded the fronts to the tower 15's. For the price those OMD'5's are really hard to beat for a nice 2 channel setup or for use in a 5.1 home theater.

Jacksmyname

02-15-12, 02:03 AM

cmoll

02-15-12, 10:00 AM

Packaging on my 15's was fantastic. Each one was double boxed with spray foam between. Definitely over protected.

dr_gallup

02-15-12, 01:40 PM

All 7 of my OMD's (15x2, 5x4 & C1) arrived in perfect condition from Vanns. They've got the packing down.

matrixj3

02-15-12, 04:43 PM

dmw5678

02-15-12, 05:47 PM

Trying to decide on a small sub or 2x OMD28 to go with a pair of OMD15. OMD15 would moved to rear. Anyone with this setup and medium sized room

pretsam

02-15-12, 10:11 PM

Hi all.
I'm considering a pair of OMD-28's from Vann's.
For those of you who may have purchased a pair of the 28's (or the 15's) from Vann's, how was the packaging? Done well so as to protect the speakers during shipping?
Thanks.

I know on 28s they ship them freight a Vann's rep told me. On my 15s they were packaged well. I was a little worried at first cause the cover top box was a little beat up but it was raining that day but the actual box itself was fine.

pretsam

02-15-12, 10:16 PM

Anyone familiar with amplifier's? I was kinda looking into what kind of amplifier to get to power my 2xOMD15 and OMDC1.

Spiros_GR

02-16-12, 05:45 AM

emotiva XPA-3?

pjb16

02-16-12, 08:25 AM

emotiva XPA-3?

I use an XPA-5 with my C2 and 15's.

ShapS

02-16-12, 08:28 AM

I wish I had a set up to hear the difference between powering by my receiver and using one of the amps above.

tbaucom

02-16-12, 08:53 AM

Trying to decide on a small sub or 2x OMD28 to go with a pair of OMD15. OMD15 would moved to rear. Anyone with this setup and medium sized room
I have the setup you are considering. OMD 28 fronts, OMD-C2 center, and OMD-15 for surrounds in a 5.1 setup. I think it sounds great. The OMD-15 blend seemlessly with the other speakers. The OMD 28 produce a lot of bass. Much more than the 15s. I run the 28s full range with no sub for music. I would still recommend getting a sub for home theater use even with the 28s.

I had OMD 15,C1, 5 originally. I upgraded to the 28s and matching center channel. I decided to sell the 5s and move the 15s to surround duty because I didn't want to wall mount a pair of OMDr and the 5s and C1 were much easier to sell because of shipping.

raovemula

02-16-12, 11:32 AM

Thanks for cancelling the one you got from clearance, I picked it up for $244
How did you get that price? I never saw that one on their sight.

Did you get any new OMDRs also along with it and at what price?

realjetavenger

02-16-12, 12:30 PM

I just purchased the OMDC-1 for $245 unopened from Vanns! To go with the C-1 i was wanting to ceiling mount my OMD-5' rear speakers and was wanting to know what mounts to use...i can't use the ones that come with the speakers and need to get away from the rear walls a bit.
245

Would either one of these work for you? They articulate in all directions. You may not be able to use these to mount the OMD5's from the ceiling in a perfectly verticle orientation. But the 5's could be mounted at an angle to get the clearance necessary. Don't know if this would be ideal or not but it can be done.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/763219328/sanus-wms5b

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/760020337/omnimount-ab2-b-black

pretsam

02-16-12, 02:41 PM

emotiva XPA-3?

I was looking at one of those just for the 3 fronts. Also a older Adcom GFA-535.

pretsam

02-16-12, 02:47 PM

I use an XPA-5 with my C2 and 15's.

How do the Emotiva sound compared to just using a receiver? I was looking into a Emotiva and some older Adcom amps.

I wish I had a set up to hear the difference between powering by my receiver and using one of the amps above.

I also wish I was able to as well. I know my receiver supposed to do 95watt per channel, besides the fact of knowing a separate amp takes workload off the receiver I've wondered the other benefits of it as well.

matrixj3

02-16-12, 03:32 PM

Would either one of these work for you? They articulate in all directions. You may not be able to use these to mount the OMD5's from the ceiling in a perfectly verticle orientation. But the 5's could be mounted at an angle to get the clearance necessary. Don't know if this would be ideal or not but it can be done.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/763219328/sanus-wms5b

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/760020337/omnimount-ab2-b-black

That should be what i be lookin for! Thanks realjetavenger!