yankees8924,

I would guess with those speakers that they will audibly protest before your receiver clips.

Again it depends on the recording, how loud it is and also the amount of high and low frequency content.
I have not blown a speaker since 1991.
In that case I blew a tweeter and a crossover with a 30 watt amp cranked with lots of bass energy.
The amp was audibly clipping and the woofer voice coil was hitting the back plate.
that was on the Notting Hillbillies cd.

In my younger days I blew Advent tweeters with a crap Pioneer reciever running poorly recorded tapes that had lots of
hiss and distortion(too much for the tweeter).

During that same time i blew the tweeter fuses with regularity on my A/D/S 300i car stereo speakers playing
2 specific albums with tons of treble energy. Men at Work "Business as Usual" and Reo Speedwagon "High Infidelity".
I could pop the tweeter fuses on those a/d/s with that Men At Work album so fast it was ridiculous.

So you have to factor in your source material too-not just how many watts your are pumping out.

tildawn01,

yeah, he wanted the smaller s8 for that very reason. The s8 is actually 2" smaller in all 3 dimensions than the s10 and I think that will also help with placement. They will put it beside the sofa so that is not visible when you walk into the room. Also the reason we had to get the 6 Meter sub cable.
according to vanns the s8 is rated to 26Hz and the s10 to 23Hz so it is not that big of a loss, although I am sure spls are less than the S10.

tildawn01,

yeah, he wanted the smaller s8 for that very reason. The s8 is actually 2" smaller in all 3 dimensions than the s10 and I think that will also help with placement. They will put it beside the sofa so that is not visible when you walk into the room. Also the reason we had to get the 6 Meter sub cable.
according to vanns the s8 is rated to 26Hz and the s10 to 23Hz so it is not that big of a loss, although I am sure spls are less than the S10.

I was surprised how small the S8 actually was compared to my Velo DPS 10. The S8 actually goes around 6Hz lower which surprised me so I have it paired with my nanos. Its an amazing value for the price IMO. Using the DPS with the OMD5s for now but will probably ugrade down the road.

I got the S8 when I bought 5 OMD5s from Vanns a few weeks ago and it was only 100 with the package so even though I didn't need it I just got it anyway. The sub in my setups has always been my biggest WAF limitation. The first time that it rattled a picture off the wall I was thrilled but she didn't feel the same way!


EDIT: B4z seems to have answered my question while I was typing this post lol.

I just ordered an S8 a few days ago. It's supposed to arrive on Monday. My old sub from a Klipsch computer speaker package was an 8" 160 watt box. And I always enjoyed that sub in my closet of a grad school apartment room. I figure this will be the same deal at 8" and 200 watts. Fedex destroyed the first S10 I ordered, so I didn't get a chance to fire it up. Is there much difference between the S8 and S10?

I ordered the last two OMD 15's yesterday (arriving April 1). I am going to try them out in stereo mode for now with the S8 and see how I like them. I have been running a couple of OS3 sats in stereo for a few weeks waiting for the OMD towers to come on sale, so I might throw one of those as a temporary center if I try HT/TV viewing.

BLACK Omnisat v2 Center Channel: Anyone know where to get one? I've seen some on eBay, but that is about it. Thanks!

BLACK Omnisat v2 Center Channel: Anyone know where to get one? I've seen some on eBay, but that is about it. Thanks!

EBay may be your best bet. I managed to snag one from BB right before Thanskgiving weekend on discount. Since then, I haven't seen any of them pop up at any of the regular Mirage online places. You may want to keep checking Audiogon to see if one pops there. Good luck in your search!

OMD5s are rarer than hen's teeth.
if any of you guys want to sell some let me know.
i want to get at least 2 to help my friend out.
His old boses aren't getting the job done.

firo,

I think you'll like Prestige S8 a lot more. One of my childhood friends and my inlaws both have 8" Klipsch subs and they are kind of one note sounding and boomy and not real articulate.
The S8 has 800 watts on peaks.

Hatchet,

I have 6 OMD-5's mounted to walls via Macromounts and therefore confirm that they work just fine (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36751516@N05/3389041280/).

Regards,
AirCeej

Beautiful man, Beautiful!!!

Mirage did call back and stated they would work but nothing like physical proof. Thanks!

Thanks to buzzy as well!

And to top it all off, the wife plans to purchase the sub for my birthday. I'm thinking about Hsu. Any other recommendations for the OMD5's? What did you pair them with AirCeej??

Finally, the living room HT looks like it may finally come together :D.

gobrigavitch,

That will be a nice inexpensive but capable system you have assembled.
Why not do a 7.1 system instead of a 6.1 and use all of the 150s?
You could also have dual centers, but that is kind of overkill and may cause some impedence probs with your receiver.
What are you using for a sub? The prestige s8 and s10 are being blown out now at vanns.

The Omni line was blown out by vanns and crutchfield about a year and a half ago and that is why you see no mention of it on mirage's website.
I got mine at 50% off.
probably the only one's left are in local brick and mortar stores.

Currently I have a shelf under my screen so there is no room there for the 350's. So right now I have 3 of the 150's set up across the front and the old Omnisats for the 4 surrounds. Within a year I'll be building a false wall/ acoustically transparent screen. Then I'll put 3 of the 350's back there and use the 4 150's as surrounds. I'll still have 1 leftover 350 after that

I realize the Omni's have been sold out for awhile. That shouldn't stop Mirage from at least having some infor on their website. They have info on numerous discontinued speakers including the previous Omni series. Yet there isn't even mention that these speakers were ever made anywhere on their site. It strikes me as quite peculiar. It's like they are trying to hide the fact that they ever made them, which I really don't understand. Oh well. They are really nice speakers at a really nice price.

AirCeej,

I bet it sounds sweet!

Thank you - it's well on it's way, but there is more tweaking to do and components to buy!

Beautiful man, Beautiful!!!

Mirage did call back and stated they would work but nothing like physical proof. Thanks!

And to top it all off, the wife plans to purchase the sub for my birthday. I'm thinking about Hsu. Any other recommendations for the OMD5's? What did you pair them with AirCeej??

Way cool - glad to help ;)

The ULS-15 sounds like a contender for fidelity, cost and size...

I had all the crossovers modified in my '5's and integrated 'em into this (mostly finished) system: OPPO BDP-83 Blu-ray Disc Player (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1124287) (waiting), Onkyo PR-SC886 Pre/Pro (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1083392), Nordost Blue Heaven Interconnects (http://www.nordost.com/productdetail.asp?ProdID=16), Rotel RB-1572 and RMB-1565 Class D Amps (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1109794), DIY White Lightning Speaker Cables (http://www.sixmoons.com/audioreviews/whitelightning/moonshine.html), SVS PB13-Ultra Sub (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=889659) or something better (waiting), Wilsonart Designer White Laminate Screen (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8380383#post8380383), Sharp XV-Z15000 (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/07/sharp-shows-off-the-1080p-xv-z15000-1080p-projector/) or InFocus IN83 (http://www.projectorreviews.com/infocus/in83/index.php) Projector (waiting).

P.S. Happy Early Birthday :cool:

Regards,
=AirCeej=

I realize the Omni's have been sold out for awhile. That shouldn't stop Mirage from at least having some infor on their website. They have info on numerous discontinued speakers including the previous Omni series. Yet there isn't even mention that these speakers were ever made anywhere on their site. It strikes me as quite peculiar. It's like they are trying to hide the fact that they ever made them, which I really don't understand. Oh well. They are really nice speakers at a really nice price.
They do actually have the owners manual listed on the manuals download page (http://www.miragespeakers.com/na-en/support/downloads/), though it's easy to miss, it's under "OMNI Series Owners Manual (discontinued) (571.63 KB) " That could mean more than one of their series.

But it's a shame that they took down the old site and info with the brochures, specs, etc. I always appreciate it when audio companies still have info on discontinued products on a site. Speakers and amps can last a long time, and yours are even still under warranty.

BLACK Omnisat v2 Center Channel: Anyone know where to get one? I've seen some on eBay, but that is about it. Thanks!

I saw a floor model at my local best buy today (bridgewater NJ) and it was 30 or 40% off. Give them a call if you are intersted maybe they could ship it to you.

Tim

They do actually have the owners manual listed on the manuals download page (http://www.miragespeakers.com/na-en/support/downloads/), though it's easy to miss, it's under "OMNI Series Owners Manual (discontinued) (571.63 KB) " That could mean more than one of their series.

But it's a shame that they took down the old site and info with the brochures, specs, etc. I always appreciate it when audio companies still have info on discontinued products on a site. Speakers and amps can last a long time, and yours are even still under warranty.

I think you should check again. I looked at that manual and it was the previous Omni series with the 50, 60, 250, and 260. I couldn't find the most recent Omni series anywhere at all.

You're right.

So I started to catch up on this thread since I last visited. I was looking to add one more OMD-5 as my center, but can't seem to find them anywhere! I'm kicking myself for not buying an extra when they were in stock at Vanns. So, do any of you guys know where anybody is selling these any more?

jlim123,

I posted about this several times. There doesn't seem to be any.
There is that company in Colorado that says they have them, but I have not called.
Your other option would be a OMD C1 center which vanns has for $369.

jlim123,

I posted about this several times. There doesn't seem to be any.
There is that company in Colorado that says they have them, but I have not called.
Your other option would be a OMD C1 center which vanns has for $369.

I don't think Vanns has the C1 in stock yet however supposedly it is part of their OMD restock around 4/15 so keep your eye out. Either way with an OMD5 or C1 you will be happy but my preference is the latter if you have the space. As B4z said you probably won't have an option to pick up the 5s anway unless they pop up on ebay used.

jlim123,
There is that company in Colorado that says they have them, but I have not called.

Is that the company in UT someone had posted a while ago in this thread? I had called them about omd-5's in rosewood. They did not have any and was going to look into it for me, but the only time they called me back was in regards to their demo OMD-28 that they were charging big bucks for...

I think Tony has one available in rosewood. I'm looking for a pair...

ugh....I'm kicking myself for not getting another when I had the chance! Thanks for the info, guys. I'm going to have to be patient. In the meantime, I found someone who is selling an old Mirage Omni CC for a super cheap price locally, so that might tide me over for a bit. I'm crossing my fingers that OMD is going to pop up on ebay or something.....

Is that the company in UT someone had posted a while ago in this thread? I had called them about omd-5's in rosewood. They did not have any and was going to look into it for me, but the only time they called me back was in regards to their demo OMD-28 that they were charging big bucks for...

I think Tony has one available in rosewood. I'm looking for a pair...

My reading skills leave much to be desired! PM sent, Tony. Thanks!

What do you guys think of the mirage prestige S8 for a small room? Looking for a 8inch sub for 5.1 surround sound

What do you guys think of the mirage prestige S8 for a small room? Looking for a 8inch sub for 5.1 surround sound

Check out the last page or two of the thread someone else was recently asking the same question. In summary though...if you can get a good deal I think it is a very nice smaller sub with high WAF. If you are looking for tight bass without shaking your foundation it will serve you well.

I have one with my Nanos.

What's "WAF"?

What's "WAF"?

wife approval factor. For most people including myself that is the main limitation when it comes to AV gear.

Lol

What do you guys think of the mirage prestige S8 for a small room? Looking for a 8inch sub for 5.1 surround sound

how small is small. I have an s8 in my bedroom which is 15x20 and fills it nicely. I am using it in a 5.1 set up. The S8 was not enough ooomph for my family room, so i ended up getting a s10 for that, which turned out to be plenty.

9 feet wide and 12 feet length

9 feet wide and 12 feet length

I think the S8 would be fine in a room that size.

What do you guys think of the mirage prestige S8 for a small room? Looking for a 8inch sub for 5.1 surround sound

Take a look at the HSU STF-1 which is on sale right now for just a few bucks more than the S8.

I just recently got an OMD-C1 brand new and after 1 day of play took the grill off to show my neighbor what it looked like and noticed a dent in the tweeter. I immediately called mirage and they sent out a new tweeter to replace the dented one. Today i was calibrating my system using audessy and noticed that the test tone sounded funny coming from the OMD-C1 and removed the grill to find and almost identical dent in the new tweeter. It was perfectly fine when I received it and installed it. I am waiting on a call back from Mirage on this issue. I was wondering if anyone would know why this is happening. I have no children or pets and I'm pretty sure my wife loves me and wouldn't do this. I am posting a picture of said tweeter as well. Any theories or observations would be appreciated. I think I'm gonna have to send to in to be repaired.

I just recently got an OMD-C1 brand new and after 1 day of play took the grill off to show my neighbor what it looked like and noticed a dent in the tweeter. I immediately called mirage and they sent out a new tweeter to replace the dented one. Today i was calibrating my system using audessy and noticed that the test tone sounded funny coming from the OMD-C1 and removed the grill to find and almost identical dent in the new tweeter. It was perfectly fine when I received it and installed it. I am waiting on a call back from Mirage on this issue. I was wondering if anyone would know why this is happening. I have no children or pets and I'm pretty sure my wife loves me and wouldn't do this. I am posting a picture of said tweeter as well. Any theories or observations would be appreciated. I think I'm gonna have to send to in to be repaired.

I just checked my C1 and it looks good. I do not know what would cause this. I have noticed that on one of my OMD-15 I am getting a buzzing noise on the woofer. I am going to contact Mirage and see if they will send out a replacement. Sorry I can't offer more help.

The Mirage Prestige S10 sub is $300 shipped at Vanns (http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/549699392?i_c=SW_DOD033109) today, FYI.

jpopperez,

I don't know a lot about the Hsus except that people speak highly of them.
The Mirage S8 is gloss black piano lacquer and is very upscale looking. The Hsu has a textured coating. The S8 is rated to go lower in bass, and has more power, but I don't know about output.(which one will play louder)
The Hsu is 7" taller and will be harder to blend into the furniture.

stormbrnger,

Seems like we have had lots of problems with tweeters on C1s. Do not know why.

buzzy_,

Thanks for the head's up. I just bought another prestige s10 for $299. I can use it in one of our houses or sell it to a friend since i seem to be the source for home theater amongst my friends.
My wife is going to kick my ass.

buzzy_,

Thanks for the head's up. I just bought another prestige s10 for $299. I can use it in one of our houses or sell it to a friend since i seem to be the source for home theater amongst my friends.
My wife is going to kick my ass.

That is a tempting price. I still need a sub for my OMDs and wasn't planning on buying an S10 but rather a SVS PB12. Now it is a bit harder to justify the SVS since it close 4 times the price. Any opinions?

tildawn01,

I am sure there are other subs that will go lower and louder, but the S10 does match up perfectly to the OMD line. It is also only 14.6" tall. Also if you ever want to sell the whole package the fact that they match may help resale.
And for $299, if you don't like it, it's not that big of a deal.
I can tell you that our's will rock the room and the house. The scene in Casino Royale when the front end loader goes through the building will get your attention.
My wife and I were listening to her ipod and she had some rap song that that featured timbaland in it ,and the bass was crushing.
our room is 12' X 21'.
I ran my stereophile test disc and at a fairly loud level I got noise from the ports at the 20Hz level. I can go back and check to see if i got noise at a higher frequency like 25Hz.
We also ran the 1812 Overture through it and it was impressive.

tildawn01,

I am sure there are other subs that will go lower and louder, but the S10 does match up perfectly to the OMD line. It is also only 14.6" tall. Also if you ever want to sell the whole package the fact that they match may help resale.
And for $299, if you don't like it, it's not that big of a deal.
I can tell you that our's will rock the room and the house. The scene in Casino Royale when the front end loader goes through the building will get your attention.
My wife and I were listening to her ipod and she had some rap song that that featured timbaland in it ,and the bass was crushing.
our room is 12' X 21'.
I ran my stereophile test disc and at a fairly loud level I got noise from the ports at the 20Hz level. I can go back and check to see if i got noise at a higher frequency like 25Hz.
We also ran the 1812 Overture through it and it was impressive.

Thanks for the review B4z I'll think about it today. Based on my experience with the S8 I am sure it is very capable. How hard is it to match a "random" sub with a matching set of speakers like the OMDs? If I was to get an SVS or something else is it more difficult to set the levels to achieve proper balance?

Was also hoping to pick up some OMD15s when they are back in stock.

tildawn01,

i don't think that timbre matching is a problem at all with subs.
i was talking more about the cosmetics, and of course Mirage obviously made sure they were some type of a sonic match and would compliment each other.

just set your crossover on your reciever and it should match up just fine.
Any sub will work with any speaker, not like a trying to match up a center or surrounds to your mains.

The OMD15 will go pretty darn low by itself so you should make sure you have a sub that will extend it's bass response.

So based on the specs if the 15s go down to 33Hz what would be considered worthwhile for a sub? The S10 goes to 23Hz but is that enough difference to be clearly audible?

Tim

tildawn01,
I was talking more about the cosmetics.


Anyone seen the HSU in Rosenut with the OMDs in Rosewood? I was wondering if they were a good match in color? They look like they look sweet together, but it's hard to tell from two pictures...

Anyone seen them together?

Re: vanns orders
i just got notification that flooding in the midwest may delay arrival of orders heading to the midwest or eastcoast.

tildawn10,

Yes, that is enough of a difference. probably around an octave.
I would crossover the OMD15s in the 40-50Hz range and let the sub do the rest.
ex. My Mirage M3's were rated at 32Hz -2db and 25Hz at -10db.
The Prestige s10 @ 23Hz -3 db does have more low bass output and extension than the M3s.(specs and actual experience)
Basing this off the stereophile test disc and 1812 overture.(don't think the cannons are really that low in frequency however, just loud)
it's not a night and day diffference, but you can literally feel that bass extension improvement and output with the prestige s10.
i run the volume control on the S10 somtimes as high as the 3 0'clock position but often it is closer to 12 or 1 o'clock.
It is at 0 level in the receiver. My center is at +2db and the surrounds at 0.

I can also tell you that i have 18 years experience with my M3s and their almost flat 32Hz extension. In the few weeks that i have owned the prestige s10 i have gone though some of my cds(some 26 years old where I know the music inside and out) and many of my favorite DVDs and BDs. The prestige S10 has more, deeper and less wooly bass than the M3s.
So I think it is fair to say that you will get more enjoyment out of movies and music with the sub than not running one at all, or pairing it with a lesser sub.

tildawn10,
Yes, that is enough of a difference. probably around an octave.
I would crossover the OMD15s in the 40-50Hz range and let the sub do the rest.


How do you have the sub connected to your system? I currently have the Omni S8 connected using a digital audio cable from the "sub out" on my pre/pro to the digital in on my sub. So, it only works with 5.1 on.

Do you have it cabled so that the output from the amp --> sub --> main speakers?

boblopes,

It's hooked up the same as your's.

I'm making some changes soon though.
My panasonic BD is hooked up with the 5.1 analog outputs.
If I put a cd or a dvd that does not have the .1 i get very weak bass out of the OMD5s.
The sub is not getting any signal. And the OMD5s are crossed over at 100Hz.
I recently hooked up my Sony SACD player only through the 2 channel rca and I get full
use of the sub with any cd.
My cable box is coaxial and i get full use of the sub.

I will be changing the bd to coaxial.
the sacd player will be 5.1 so i can listen to my surround discs.
The cable box will probably be just 2 channel rca which i am guessing will be decoded in pro logic.

How do you have your dvd player hooked up to the pre/pro?

boblopes,
How do you have your dvd player hooked up to the pre/pro?

Digital Coax

The Mirage Prestige S10 sub is $300 shipped at Vanns (http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/549699392?i_c=SW_DOD033109) today, FYI.

I could not pass this deal up. I already have one, now he will have a friend.:cool: Now just to sneak it past the wife. WAF;)

tildawn10,

Yes, that is enough of a difference. probably around an octave.
I would crossover the OMD15s in the 40-50Hz range and let the sub do the rest.
ex. My Mirage M3's were rated at 32Hz -2db and 25Hz at -10db.
The Prestige s10 @ 23Hz -3 db does have more low bass output and extension than the M3s.(specs and actual experience)
Basing this off the stereophile test disc and 1812 overture.(don't think the cannons are really that low in frequency however, just loud)
it's not a night and day diffference, but you can literally feel that bass extension improvement and output with the prestige s10.
i run the volume control on the S10 somtimes as high as the 3 0'clock position but often it is closer to 12 or 1 o'clock.
It is at 0 level in the receiver. My center is at +2db and the surrounds at 0.

I can also tell you that i have 18 years experience with my M3s and their almost flat 32Hz extension. In the few weeks that i have owned the prestige s10 i have gone though some of my cds(some 26 years old where I know the music inside and out) and many of my favorite DVDs and BDs. The prestige S10 has more, deeper and less wooly bass than the M3s.
So I think it is fair to say that you will get more enjoyment out of movies and music with the sub than not running one at all, or pairing it with a lesser sub.

Thanks for the nice summary. I have been thinking about it all day and decided to hold off for now even though this is a great deal and I am sure I would be happy with it. My wife has seen all my OMD5 (6), C1, Nanos, and S8 boxes show up over the past few weeks and I have prepared her for the possibility that the 15s might also just "show up" but I don't want to push another sub in the house at the same time. I need to spread the purchases out a bit longer if I stand any chance of justifying them ;)

Tim

My wife has seen all my OMD5 (6), C1, Nanos, and S8 boxes show up over the past few weeks and I have prepared her for the possibility that the 15s might also just "show up" but I don't want to push another sub in the house at the same time. I need to spread the purchases out a bit longer if I stand any chance of justifying them ;)

Tim

I hear you on this one. I have been out of the A/V market for some 15 years and really heavy into high horsepower automobiles. Now in the last three months have really focused on the A/V market again. Mirage OMD15, OMD5,OMD-C1, Prestige S10, OMD-R, and now another S-10. Going to run 7.2. It seems I bought at the right time prices from Vann's have been great. I really want the OMD-28's. But my wife wants to know when does it end?? I guess I am making up for lost time. I really love the Mirage stuff, I just hope they replace the OMD Series with something good.

boblopes,

Hmmm. I'm going to have to think about that. Do you have your pre/pro set to Auto Format Decode?

BluVette,

Generally when a manufacturer closes out a line and does not announce a replacement it is bad news. Knowing how Klipsch operates i fear for any larger Mirages-or possibley any Mirages at all.
They've already killed off Athena.

I'm with you on that. I kind of put audio on the back burner because it was an endless line of purchases looking for something "better" and it was ultimately frustrating and expensive. And resale is awful.
I had 5 Camaros from '83-'06 and 2 GTOs from '04 to present. So I would have to say my love of cars is greater than my audio bug.
There are so many things I have forgotten about audio/home theater that I used to know and things have moved so fast since Blu ray came out that i am a little bit behind on some of this technology.
I am resisting buying a HDMI receiver, cause that will open a whole new can of worms, with hookup and source components. LOL.

Bluvette,

Off topic:
Here's my baby "Silver", 2006 GTO at our Tail of the Dragon Run last October.
18 GTO owners went up there for a get together.
I'm going slightly over the speed limit in this pic.
http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/orderpage.aspx?pi=0QAK00E7000290&po=290

[QUOTE=b4z;16169259]BluVette,

Generally when a manufacturer closes out a line and does not announce a replacement it is bad news. Knowing how Klipsch operates i fear for any larger Mirages-or possibley any Mirages at all.
They've already killed off Athena.



My guess is that Klipsch acquired Mirage more for the lifestyle brands to grow the market for very small good sounding speakers. I think this is also evidenced by the new MX and prestige lines. The higher end mirage OMDs are probably more redundant to their existing product mix in terms of the target audience and the demand for 7K speakers like the 28s probably doesn't justify the cost for a large manucturer like Klipsch. Smaller boutique companies have different sets of issues but they can be more agile and follow their own path rather than being a cog in the wheel like Mirage is now within Klipsch.

Totally off topic but I am curious on what some of the guys on this forum do for real life when you aren't posting on this forum? I am supply chain manager for a large healthcare company.

Bluvette,

Off topic:
Here's my baby "Silver", 2006 GTO at our Tail of the Dragon Run last October.


Dell's Gap - what an awesome road. Troopers can't bust you for speeding, only for crossing the yellow line...

I went there in the spring of 2001 with 40 other S2000's. We had the first annual S2000 convention in Asheville NC that weekend. A bunch of us arrived a day early to do the dragon. Then 6 crazies from Texas and a couple of us from New England went back for another run.

boblopes,
we did the run on friday. no cops anywhere. then got on the cherohola skyway.
i drove back to charleston, sc the same day. 6hrs. Woke up the next day and
my sidewalls were scrubbed about 2" all around.

Dell's Gap - what an awesome road. Troopers can't bust you for speeding, only for crossing the yellow line...

I went there in the spring of 2001 with 40 other S2000's. We had the first annual S2000 convention in Asheville NC that weekend. A bunch of us arrived a day early to do the dragon. Then 6 crazies from Texas and a couple of us from New England went back for another run.

You owned a s2000? Owner of s2000 2007 year model (3rd sports car in 5 years). I am done for now.

Loving the car.


Tildawn, I am a systems administrator :).

tnt

You owned a s2000? Owner of s2000 2007 year model (3rd sports car in 5 years). I am done for now.

Loving the car.

tnt

Still own it. Got 42k mi on it. Drive it in the summer. Have not been driving it much. Great car to drive, don't want to waste the miles on a 64 mile commute everyday into Boston - no real running room...

Used to spend a lot of time at the S2k forums - now maybe s2ki - not sure. We had 90+ S2000 cars in Asheville that year.

Was one of the first to put the HKS Hyper exhaust on - no HP gain, but sounded sick. Put the stock exhaust back on it when I moved to the country a couple of years ago. Did some other stuff to it - x-brace under engine, stb brace, leather console over carpet & leather shifter (honda picked up on that one on subsequent models), K&N filter, bored out the throttlebody.

Took it on a two day driving class at pocono speedway with four other s2k's, then we had a meet down near Princeton/NewHope area.


I work in IT as well doing Storage stuff - mainly EMC...


Sorry to be off topic...

I can't fit into a S2000- 6'8".
realtor
EMC= the only stock i've bought in the last 2 years that i haven't lost my you know what on.

I can't fit into a S2000- 6'8".
realtor
EMC= the only stock i've bought in the last 2 years that i haven't lost my you know what on.

No doubt, I lost enough on stocks which could have been used to buy a few 7.1 system comprised of OMD 28s but I try not to think about like that.

Bluvette,

Off topic:
Here's my baby "Silver", 2006 GTO at our Tail of the Dragon Run last October.
18 GTO owners went up there for a get together.
I'm going slightly over the speed limit in this pic.
http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/orderpage.aspx?pi=0QAK00E7000290&po=290

Still off subject:
I am a Tool & Die Maker Foreman, also owner of a Late Model American Automobile Performance Shop. 2000 Corvette 395 Stroker and Blown about 700RWHP.

About a month and half ago I bought a Tech-Craft SWP60 tv stand from overstock.com and it came in with a damaged end piece.
I finally got them to send me another piece and it arrived today.
Put it together and am pretty darn happy with it.
60" long for $292. 3 doors. Center door is fabric. Walnut fake veneer.
I don't have the OMD5s or sub hooked up yet but am hoping that it will sound better than my old setup even though the L and R are closer together. it certainly looks a lot better.
My back is fried, so i will get everything hooked up tomorrow.
Here's a pic:

So I saw an ad the other day for a pair of Omnisat (v1) for 125 shipped. I would use these as my surrounds to go along with my OMD-5 fronts. What do you guys think? Good deal or no?

how would 2 omd-5's as fronts do with 5 nanosat prestiges as rears, and an prestige s8 sub.
would it work, or would it sound weird?

do you mean a 7.1 system, with a nanosat as the center?
It would probably sound okay, but the nano would be a little lean sounding perhaps.
The S8 sub should work well.
If i can run 53" tall M3s with a dual 4.5" woofer $170 Mirage center and have it sound good, you should be able to
to run smaller speakers within the same design family.

About a month and half ago I bought a Tech-Craft SWP60 tv stand from overstock.com and it came in with a damaged end piece.
I finally got them to send me another piece and it arrived today.
Put it together and am pretty darn happy with it.
60" long for $292. 3 doors. Center door is fabric. Walnut fake veneer.
I don't have the OMD5s or sub hooked up yet but am hoping that it will sound better than my old setup even though the L and R are closer together. it certainly looks a lot better.
My back is fried, so i will get everything hooked up tomorrow.
Here's a pic:

Looks like a good deal on that stand. Do you have a center channel?

So I saw an ad the other day for a pair of Omnisat (v1) for 125 shipped. I would use these as my surrounds to go along with my OMD-5 fronts. What do you guys think? Good deal or no?

Sure...sounds like a decent deal.

tildawn10,

It's in the center fabric covered door.

Cool I was wondering that. Do you find that the sound is still open and not restricted with it in the cabinet?

tildawn10,

I haven't even hooked the receiver and speakers back up. I fried my back out putting it together wednesday night and couldn't finish and didn't feel like doing anything about it last night.
I am going to take the cloth top thingy off the OMD5, so it will only have the cloth in the door to go through.
I had it in another stand and it seemed to have good dispersion and was seamless with the L and R. I guess cause the OMD5 tweeter fires in a 360 arc it is not to affected.
One thing I don't like, and you can see this in the pic. But the doors obviously have frames, but the cloth grille also has a frame which cuts down on the open area in the door. I'm going to see if i can make a channel around the inside of the door frame,then take the grille off of it's current frame, and use some screentight splines to hold the cloth grille in.


.........Orrrrrrr, I could just take the center door off altogether and the cc OMD5 will sit out in the open like it did in the previous stand. LOL........don't know how my wife will feel about that.

About a month and half ago I bought a Tech-Craft SWP60 tv stand from overstock.com and it came in with a damaged end piece.
I finally got them to send me another piece and it arrived today.
Put it together and am pretty darn happy with it.
60" long for $292. 3 doors. Center door is fabric. Walnut fake veneer.
I don't have the OMD5s or sub hooked up yet but am hoping that it will sound better than my old setup even though the L and R are closer together. it certainly looks a lot better.
My back is fried, so i will get everything hooked up tomorrow.
Here's a pic:

That looks great and @ a great price. I am looking for something like that but it needs to be shorter, I have to fit it between a wall and a fireplace but still be able to put a 56" Samsung on it. 50" long cabinet max.

bluvette,

how wide is the 56 Sammy?

bluvette,

how wide is the 56 Sammy?

50", so I want to keep it as close to that as possible. Standout Designs has one I like at 49 1/2", but it is a bit more than I want to spend at the moment, it looks to be great quality. My room layout sucks for A/V location.:mad:

boblopes,

Going back to your subwoofer not working on certain material question.
Do you have a 5.1 button, a direct button or a input mode button or your pre/pro?
I went coaxial on my dvd player tonight and had to make many changes from my 5.1
analog inputs to get 5.1 and sub working.

BluVette,

I think there is a 48" version of my stand.
Also, target.com is a good place to look as is amazon.com
and others. overstock.com only charged $1 for shipping.
i got mine for $100 less than sears was charging plus no sales tax.

50", so I want to keep it as close to that as possible. Standout Designs has one I like at 49 1/2", but it is a bit more than I want to spend at the moment, it looks to be great quality. My room layout sucks for A/V location.:mad:

Standout Designs makes a great unit. Just got one myself a couple of weeks ago. Solid wood throughout. Great fit and finish. I got the Horizon N702, 70" wide. They even customized it a bit to the way we wanted it - allowed us to mix woods and finishes. I would highly recommend them if you ever consider buying from them in the future.

Standout Designs makes a great unit. Just got one myself a couple of weeks ago. Solid wood throughout. Great fit and finish. I got the Horizon N702, 70" wide. They even customized it a bit to the way we wanted it - allowed us to mix woods and finishes. I would highly recommend them if you ever consider buying from them in the future.

I agree, I already received wood samples from them. I will probably go with Standout Designs although pricey the quality seems to be great. I also have a problem finding a cabinet that will have the space for my OMD-C1. Thanks for all the help guy's.

John

I searched for months to find a cabinet that would fit the C1.
It's about a 3/8-1" too wide and it also on the tall side.
We found one we liked at pottery barn but it was $1100.
My budget was $400 or less.
Ultimately i didn't get the C1. We are extremely happy with the OMD5, although because it is behind the door in the middle of the cabinet, it is getting a little more bass reinforcement from walls inside the cabinet and has
a slight timbre difference in the bass-which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Right now i'm dealing with the same thing bob lopes is dealing with in that my sub is not working with some sources and I am geting very frustrated.
When I run the test tones the sub makes no sound. But it works on DD/DTS and on PL2

Right now i'm dealing with the same thing bob lopes is dealing with in that my sub is not working with some sources and I am geting very frustrated.
When I run the test tones the sub makes no sound. But it works on DD/DTS and on PL2

I think that's the nature of the beast. That's why I was asking how you were able to do it.

If you use the sub out connection from your pre/rcvr (using digital coax) you'll get the .1 channel of the x.1 (5.1, 6.1, 7.1), but it won't work for stereo mode.

If you run the speaker cable from the amp/rcvr to the sub then to the speakers, the sub will be active any time those two speakers are active. But I'm not sure you would get the .1 channel for DD/DTS HT playback. Maybe there's a setting that will play the .1 channel in your main speakers.

I'm not sure you could wire it both ways...

I'm happy with the low end of the OMD-15's. I have the Omni S8 sub, which is fine for watching movies in the living room. I may get the hsu vtf-1 in rosenut if it's ever on sale.

I also have a problem finding a cabinet that will have the space for my OMD-C1. Thanks for all the help guy's.
John

I went with the DP-2 plasma stand from Studio Tech in rosewood. I purchased mounting pillars that sits into two slots in the back of the stand. This way I could set the height of the display just above the top of the C1. We did need to purchase a wall mount kit too. We are happy with the looks.

The bottom shelf was just deep enough for the parasound gear, but when I added the second amp, the top shelf did fit the pre/pro, but it just did not look as clean, so I bought a component rack... Now the cable box, oppo dvd and sonos zp-80 sit on top shelf and the bottom shelf is reserved for the covers of the 15's when it's time to crank the music :)

They also make cabinets, not sure if they have those mounting pillars as well.

Hey everybody, I've had some Omni 150 bookshelves for about 2 months now, and when I bought them they were brand new old stock and were pristine. On Saturday, I pulled the grill covers off and one of them has a little dimple in the tweeter (the titanium dome part) where it looks like it was pushed in. A) It wasn't there when I bought it. B) I didn't do it, therefore it was not pushed in by anyone. Now, I didn't hear a difference, I was just pulling the covers off to see if there was a difference when listening to music (there wasn't), and I was shocked to see the place where one tweeter collapsed. Any ideas as to how/why this happened, and if the sound is not affected, should I care? If so, any ideas as to what to do? Thanks.

Hey everybody, I've had some Omni 150 bookshelves for about 2 months now, and when I bought them they were brand new old stock and were pristine. On Saturday, I pulled the grill covers off and one of them has a little dimple in the tweeter (the titanium dome part) where it looks like it was pushed in. A) It wasn't there when I bought it. B) I didn't do it, therefore it was not pushed in by anyone. Now, I didn't hear a difference, I was just pulling the covers off to see if there was a difference when listening to music (there wasn't), and I was shocked to see the place where one tweeter collapsed. Any ideas as to how/why this happened, and if the sound is not affected, should I care? If so, any ideas as to what to do? Thanks.

I am not sure if it was in this thread or somewhere else but someone had a similar problem with an OMD5, I think they posted pics too. I don't think anyone knew the cause but even if you can't perceive a difference in the sound, I would have Mirage repair them since they are likely under warranty. Maybe the impact will worsen over time so even though it is a pain I would have it dealt with.

Unless you or someone else can think of a way that a tweeter dents itself under any kind of reasonable usage ... there's a good chance it won't be covered by warranty. Though you can try, maybe. Odds are somebody did it, though they might not be aware they did.

There have been a lot of discussions of this kind of thing, and everyone seems to agree that it doesn't affect the sound (except maybe a tiny amount, and then only theoretically).

Unless you or someone else can think of a way that a tweeter dents itself under any kind of reasonable usage ... there's a good chance it won't be covered by warranty. Though you can try, maybe. Odds are somebody did it, though they might not be aware they did.

There have been a lot of discussions of this kind of thing, and everyone seems to agree that it doesn't affect the sound (except maybe a tiny amount, and then only theoretically).

I can't offer a reasonable explanation but I would still try and call mirage maybe they have heard of it before especially since someone else was claiming the same problem.

Doesn't Mirage state in the instructions to not touch the tweeter dome? I would think that if they are senstive to the touch that a dent would logically cause some type of issue but I am far from an expert.

I just recently got an OMD-C1 brand new and after 1 day of play took the grill off to show my neighbor what it looked like and noticed a dent in the tweeter. I immediately called mirage and they sent out a new tweeter to replace the dented one. Today i was calibrating my system using audessy and noticed that the test tone sounded funny coming from the OMD-C1 and removed the grill to find and almost identical dent in the new tweeter. It was perfectly fine when I received it and installed it. I am waiting on a call back from Mirage on this issue. I was wondering if anyone would know why this is happening. I have no children or pets and I'm pretty sure my wife loves me and wouldn't do this. I am posting a picture of said tweeter as well. Any theories or observations would be appreciated. I think I'm gonna have to send to in to be repaired.

Here is a post from page 68. I checked all my speakers and found no problems. I do not know how the tweeter can get dented without someone touching it. Here is also the picture that was posted.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=138345&d=1238461915

boblopes,

I'm going to run regular patch cords out of the dvd player and sacd player + the 5.1 patch cords on the sacd player to get the sub working and then select analog on my reciever. That should work.

I hooked up the S8 for my friend last night and and he did not have a dig coax cable connected just patch cords. I used a old patch cord(hope it works) and connected it to the dig coax into the reciever and blu ray, then selected Auto Format Decode on his older Sony receiver and it displayed L and R and SW on the screen. This was playing my stereophile test cd, for blu rays i would get all 5 channels.
And the sub worked.

Problem with his is that i can find no crossover in the receiver and it sounds like the L and R are running full range. Bass is not tight like mine is.

My Cambridge Audio receiver displays L and R and SW but the sub doesn't work when hooked up digitally.

I do not know how the tweeter can get dented without someone touching it. Or something similar, like bumping it with the grille when someone is putting on or taking off the grille. The OMD C1 grille is one of the trickier ones, IMO, because of the shape and because it has a lot of internal structure.

Or something similar, like bumping it with the grille when someone is putting on or taking off the grille. The OMD C1 grille is one of the trickier ones, IMO, because of the shape and because it has a lot of internal structure.

I agree. I guess what I was getting at is that I do not think it could just happen from playing them.:confused:

I've been listening to my 3 Norah Jones concert dvds and her first album,
and the OMD tweeter either does amazing things to her voice or her voice does amazing things to that tweeter 'cause it is nirvana listening to her
on the OMD5s.

I called Mirage today and talked to a rep for a couple minutes. He was cool and simply told me to fax in a copy of my receipt and my address, which I did, and they're just going to send me a new tweeter. He said they are just clipped in so I could do the swap myself. Anybody have experience with this? Hard or not, I have to applaud the customer service at Mirage for being so easygoing. He said he couldn't imagine a scenario where the tweeter would collapse without being touched. He also indicated the sound shouldn't be adversely affected. Above all, he was understanding and fixed the situation (assuming the tweeter does come to my place) very quickly. Thanks, Mirage, and thanks all you guys. I'll let you know when the tweeter comes in and what it's like replacing it.

I've been listening to my 3 Norah Jones concert dvds and her first album,
and the OMD tweeter either does amazing things to her voice or her voice does amazing things to that tweeter 'cause it is nirvana listening to her
on the OMD5s.

I watched the movie open range last night in HD and the sound was incredible on the OMD5's. It had some of the most releastic outdoors effects with rain, wind, thunderstorms etc that I have heard and the omnipolar sound difference was very noticeable. It had me looking around to make sure there wasn't water pouring through my ceiling a few times :D Hearing that with the 5.1 setup makes me even more excited to eventually move to 7.1.

Hi Folks,

I started a new thread in the general Speakers forum in hopes that I could get a variety of input, but do think posting in this thread would be appropriate given that it concerns Mirage speakers. Just wondering if anyone has had first-hand experience in comparing Mirage towers (specifically OMD-15s) to any other "direct-radiating" towers in the $1000-$1500/pr price range. If interested, my original post can be found here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1137170)

Thanks!

tildawn10,

and the other side of that coin is people like to say omnidirectional speakers don't give good L/R channel seperation. I've got mine less than 5' apart and even though i normally sit to the left side of the room, when something is even slightly louder in the right speaker I hear it clearly as right side information.
So I don't understand the criticism of omnidirectionals- at least the way Mirage does it.

We watched Miracle at St. Anna a couple of nights ago and any kind of water running sounded like it was all around us and was very realistic.
I've got my surrounds, in my all OMD5 system at -6db because my head is so close to the rear speakers and the ambient effect is some of the best i've heard.

Ok, Mirage owners I have a set of OM-6's in a 5.1 arrangement with an OM-C2 center that I have been running for 10 years and the C2 has a blown speaker. Anyone have a recommendation for a replacement? I'm considering a cross configuration and adding a Def Tec C/L/R 3000 in its place. :eek:

Any opinions would be appreciated! :)

Thanks! David

Ok, Mirage owners I have a set of OM-6's in a 5.1 arrangement with an OM-C2 center that I have been running for 10 years and the C2 has a blown speaker. Anyone have a recommendation for a replacement?
David, Did you call Mirage to see if they have a replacement component for the speaker that is blown? I had talked to them a few months back when I was investigating the OMD line and they still had the fabric cover for the OM-6, so they might have parts for the OM-C2... Bob

Can somebody with the rosewood omd15/28 show me their pics in the living room settings.

I have seen rosewood from other pics, but not sure I am convinced.

I am counting my pennies for the omd28 purchase soon :).

tnt

Can somebody with the rosewood omd15/28 show me their pics in the living room settings.


I will try to take some pictures this weekend...

Bob

I will try to take some pictures this weekend...

Bob


Plesase do. I called a dealer that is within 40 min away that carries the omd28. i am going to listen to them this weekend.


tnt

I called a dealer that is within 40 min away that carries the od28.
tnt

Let me know what you think of the 28's and how they compare with the 15's...

Just received a Mirage Omnivibe for Ipod or MP3 players. I bought it for my daughter. She had a Ipod dock made by Logitech. I got it from Vann's for $49.77 shipped. We set it up in her room and we both could not believe the sound. Even my daughter said she can't believe how the sound fills the room so well. Very impressive.

Let me know what you think of the 28's and how they compare with the 15's...


I just came back from the audio shop and had a chance to listen to the omd28. They played jazz (seems like all shops do) for the audition. The omd28 was in a 18 x 18 room and it played loud and clear. Very large sound stage. I then asked them to switch to the omd15 and there wasn't any comparsion :).

The omd15 is great if you never listen to the omd28, but once you auditioned the omd28, you are not going back.

The receiver was a pioneer sc07 powering the speakers.

The pics and the size dimension don't do justice - its huge in person!!!! The shop has only the demo pair left and wants 3100 each before tax.:p

Btw, I came into this shop and the sales guy asked, "are you sure you are interested in this pair cause its really expensive?"

tony

I wish I could go somewere fairly close to me to see and hear these. I am very interested in the 28's. I have to look for some pic's with the two next to each other.

I wish I could go somewere fairly close to me to see and hear these. I am very interested in the 28's. I have to look for some pic's with the two next to each other.


Post 1822 has pics. Below is the link of the pics. Thanks to pannymann.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=135546&d=1236138512


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=135547&d=1236138512


tony

Post 1822 has pics. Below is the link of the pics. Thanks to pannymann.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=135546&d=1236138512


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=135547&d=1236138512


tony

Thanks for the pic's. Did you feel the pioneer sc07 had enough to power the 28's?

Thanks for the pic's. Did you feel the pioneer sc07 had enough to power the 28's?



Yes. I am not sure what the specs are though. I have to look up and compare to my onkyo 805 (no budget for an amp yet).

tony

Yes. I am not sure what the specs are though. I have to look up and compare to my onkyo 805 (no budget for an amp yet).

tony

The Pioneer is 140w per ch. and the Onkyo is 130w per ch. My Yamaha RX-V863 is only 105w per ch. so I may need some help from a amp.

John

Looking for some input on the V2-FS vs OMD-15's. I'm currently using the V2-FS as my front speakers, and VS CC as the center. I'm real tempted to get the OMD-15's at the discounted price. The plan would be to use them for the front and switch the V2's to the rear. I'd probably be getting a C1 as well.

So it's roughly a $1400 upgrade, question is, is it worth it? Will I notice that big of a difference over the V2's.

Other equipment, Denon 2809 AVR, 115x7. HSU VTF 3.3 Sub.

I just came back from the audio shop and had a chance to listen to the omd28. They played jazz (seems like all shops do) for the audition. The omd28 was in a 18 x 18 room and it played loud and clear. Very large sound stage. I then asked them to switch to the omd15 and there wasn't any comparsion :).

The omd15 is great if you never listen to the omd28, but once you auditioned the omd28, you are not going back

tony
+1 - The 15s are excellent speakers no doubt so anyone who has them should pretty well be satisfied. If you want to remain so however, I would recommend avoiding auditioning the mighty OMD-28's. Soundstage and detail reproduction combined with the ability to play with AUTHORITY if asked. They are 80lb BEASTS ! Make sure you keep them well fed. I upgraded power to the fronts (Onkyo 705) to an Emo XPA-3 when I picked up the 28s. They are very happy now.

Can somebody with the rosewood omd15/28 show me their pics in the living room settings.

I have seen rosewood from other pics, but not sure I am convinced.

tnt

Here's two pictures of the 15's in rosewood...

+1 - The 15s are excellent speakers no doubt so anyone who has them should pretty well be satisfied. If you want to remain so however, I would recommend avoiding auditioning the mighty OMD-28's. Soundstage and detail reproduction combined with the ability to play with AUTHORITY if asked. They are 80lb BEASTS ! Make sure you keep them well fed. I upgraded power to the fronts (Onkyo 705) to an Emo XPA-3 when I picked up the 28s. They are very happy now.

How far out from the wall do the 28's need to be?

just a heads up, the omd28's and omd15s are supposed to be in stock at vanns on april 15 (this wednesday) so if you still haven't decided on what to get, i would decide fast because i'm pretty sure that those will be gone really fast

Looking for some input on the V2-FS vs OMD-15's. I'm currently using the V2-FS as my front speakers, and VS CC as the center. I'm real tempted to get the OMD-15's at the discounted price. The plan would be to use them for the front and switch the V2's to the rear. I'd probably be getting a C1 as well.

So it's roughly a $1400 upgrade, question is, is it worth it? Will I notice that big of a difference over the V2's.

Other equipment, Denon 2809 AVR, 115x7. HSU VTF 3.3 Sub.

Just to tag on, any OMD-15 owners out there, are they top heavy or easily tipped like the V2's? Or does their larger footprint take care of that?

I'm considering bolting the V2's to the floor, to make them kid safe, but wondered if this could be avoided w/ the OMD's.

Just to tag on, any OMD-15 owners out there, are they top heavy or easily tipped like the V2's? Or does their larger footprint take care of that?

I'm considering bolting the V2's to the floor, to make them kid safe, but wondered if this could be avoided w/ the OMD's.

How old are the kids? I have a 2.5 year old son and it is fine. It is heavy enough.


tony

I just came back from the audio shop and had a chance to listen to the omd28. They played jazz (seems like all shops do) for the audition. The omd28 was in a 18 x 18 room and it played loud and clear. Very large sound stage. I then asked them to switch to the omd15 and there wasn't any comparsion :).

The omd15 is great if you never listen to the omd28, but once you auditioned the omd28, you are not going back.

The receiver was a pioneer sc07 powering the speakers.

The pics and the size dimension don't do justice - its huge in person!!!! The shop has only the demo pair left and wants 3100 each before tax.:p

Btw, I came into this shop and the sales guy asked, "are you sure you are interested in this pair cause its really expensive?"

tony
Its sad to hear that a dealer would demo OMD28's with a Pioneer receiver. I bet the grilles were on, the source was a $500 dvd player, they were parked in a lousy spot, no biwire & no spikes. Talk about giving up. May as well just drape a blanket over them while they were playing or not turn them on and describe to you how they sound.

When I was selling higher end audio, demonstrating the benefit of an amp was a given for anyone who might be remotely interested. To get the conversation started for anyone who was better than deaf, we had $400 bookshelf speakers hooked up to a $1000ish Yamaha receiver on one side of the showroom and the same speakers hooked up to a $4000 250watt/ch amp on the other. Play 30sec of a song on the Yamaha, walk the CD over to the 2channel amp at about the same volume and whoila! Customer asks what the hell just happened, their plan for their system immediately changed and can we please show them an avr, an amp that sounds like the awesome big one playing and whatever we recommend for speakers.

I'd say you still haven't even heard those OMD28's yet. They are a big, ballsy, wonderful box of potential and were powered by something that can't provide them any control - that amp should never date that speaker. Its like Meagan Fox 'hooking up' with Mickey Rourke - hell no!

Looking for some input on the V2-FS vs OMD-15's. I'm currently using the V2-FS as my front speakers, and VS CC as the center. I'm real tempted to get the OMD-15's at the discounted price. The plan would be to use them for the front and switch the V2's to the rear. I'd probably be getting a C1 as well.

So it's roughly a $1400 upgrade, question is, is it worth it? Will I notice that big of a difference over the V2's.

Other equipment, Denon 2809 AVR, 115x7. HSU VTF 3.3 Sub.

jusyt playing them alone, the 15's will have a much better bass fill. so much in fact that you can pull off using them with no sub. with the V2's YOU NEED A SUB, they just dont sound right without it and are very reliant on it for lower frequencies (as they sound almost anemic to my ears without it). I would base my decision on the room size you have, for a small room, the 15's may be overkill.

How far out from the wall do the 28's need to be?

Based on my experience (and my setup) I'd have to day that it depends. The closer they are to the walls, you get more bass response. The further away you place them from the wall, the soundstage opens up. If you lose bass, you can then adjust the gain on your subwoofer. I have some limitations in my room but I'd try to get at minimum 1.5 feet from the back and side walls if possible.

You can fool around with placement for only so long though cuz those 80lb gorillas will wear your hiney out.

I would also comment that the soundstage opened up quite a bit when I doubled the power going to them (100 vs 200w). YMMV of course.

This old Demo of OMD-28 thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=721369) has some discussion of placement, if you're interested in the 28 worth a look probably.

FWIW there's also some other comments about the centers and the 15s in that thread.

Here's two pictures of the 15's in rosewood...



Thanks for the pics.


Tony

Thanks for the pics.

Tony
Any time. Just need to learn how not to post them sideways...

LOL @ the 80lb OMD 15s.
My M3s weighed 130lbs and I would move them twice a year to our beachhouse then back. put them in the back of my IROCZ. Front wheels about came off the ground. I would then lug them up a flight of stairs.
Don't know why i didn't have a heart attack.

jusyt playing them alone, the 15's will have a much better bass fill. so much in fact that you can pull off using them with no sub. with the V2's YOU NEED A SUB, they just dont sound right without it and are very reliant on it for lower frequencies (as they sound almost anemic to my ears without it). I would base my decision on the room size you have, for a small room, the 15's may be overkill.

Thanks guys, seems like the V2’s topple right over with a slight nudge, so stability is a big issue for me. Maybe I can convince the wife we won’t have to drill holes in the floor if we can buy the OMD’s!

The room is about 12x33, speakers are in the half w/ a vaulted ceiling, the other half opens into the kitchen. I am pretty happy with the V2’s, only complaint is 2 channel music, doesn’t quite have the impact I’m looking for, even with the HSU sub. So I hope the OMD’s could fill this out.

Should I be concerned with the 115 watts the Denon is kicking out, is that enough to push the OMD-15’s? I assume the 6 ohms is not an issue.

And I noticed the OMD C1 is rated down to 65Hz, whereas the V2 CC is at 70Hz. Is it feasible to keep the V2 CC with the OMD-15’s, or does this mess up the timbre match or something?

IMHO, I think the V2 CC would be ok but the OMD C1 would certainly be better if you can swing it. At the price Vanns is offering I wouldn't hesitate. I have it paired with the OMD5's and am very happy. Its much bigger than the V2 CC and is very substantial.

Thanks guys, seems like the V2’s topple right over with a slight nudge, so stability is a big issue for me. Maybe I can convince the wife we won’t have to drill holes in the floor if we can buy the OMD’s! 1, 4 & 7 year old - OMD15's are stable, rest assured. If I find low profile outriggers >$100, I'll do that too for looks.

The room is about 12x33, speakers are in the half w/ a vaulted ceiling, the other half opens into the kitchen. I am pretty happy with the V2’s, only complaint is 2 channel music, doesn’t quite have the impact I’m looking for, even with the HSU sub. So I hope the OMD’s could fill this out. 15' will fill what's missing very well, + give you better mids - you are spot on I think

Should I be concerned with the 115 watts the Denon is kicking out, is that enough to push the OMD-15’s? I assume the 6 ohms is not an issue. You will be just fine, they'll be happy with more if you are game someday

And I noticed the OMD C1 is rated down to 65Hz, whereas the V2 CC is at 70Hz. Is it feasible to keep the V2 CC with the OMD-15’s, or does this mess up the timbre match or something? Should be no timbre problem, but the C1 is better, again, if you are game
You will probably turn your sub x-over way down after and it will sound better too!

Is it feasible to keep the V2 CC with the OMD-15’s, or does this mess up the timbre match or something?

I used the V2 CC with the OMD-15s and thought that it had trouble keeping up. It's a little different design and I thought the V2 had a little bit of a hollow sound. The OS3 is more in line with the OMD-C1
and I have read that some are pleased with this combination. I have no complaints with the C1--highly recommended if you happen to come across one.

Thanks for the advice, I’m about to take the OMD-15 plunge! Definitely let me know if you come across any outriggers, I haven’t found any for the V2 or OMD line. Just curious, you fellas with kids, are you using the spikes? The footprint of the 15’s w/ spikes don’t seem much better than the V2’s.

And should I be concerned with using the V2-FS towers as the rears for the OMD-15’s? The Mirage literature claims the OMD-5’s are “voice matched” to the 15’s. Not sure what that means other than I noticed the x-over point on the 5’s and 15’s are the same, 1.5 Khz, 2.3 Khz. Whereas the V2-FS have a x-over point of 900 Hz, 2.5 Khz. Will this cause any disjoint in the sounds panning from front to rear?

Thanks for the advice, I’m about to take the OMD-15 plunge! Definitely let me know if you come across any outriggers, I haven’t found any for the V2 or OMD line. Just curious, you fellas with kids, are you using the spikes? The footprint of the 15’s w/ spikes don’t seem much better than the V2’s.

And should I be concerned with using the V2-FS towers as the rears for the OMD-15’s? The Mirage literature claims the OMD-5’s are “voice matched” to the 15’s. Not sure what that means other than I noticed the x-over point on the 5’s and 15’s are the same, 1.5 Khz, 2.3 Khz. Whereas the V2-FS have a x-over point of 900 Hz, 2.5 Khz. Will this cause any disjoint in the sounds panning from front to rear?

Usually not as crucial as the front three--it's possible you may not even notice in HT applications. Multichannel music however...

Does anyone think it would be a huge mismatch if I upgraded the front speakers to the OMD-28's but kept the OMD-C1 CC? I might be able to spring for the 28's but not sure about the C2 - price, size, waf...

Does anyone think it would be a huge mismatch if I upgraded the front speakers to the OMD-28's but kept the OMD-C1 CC? I might be able to spring for the 28's but not sure about the C2 - price, size, waf...

I was thinking about that too. I have never heard the 28s but wouldn't think it would be a huge mismatch since they are still from the same line. If anything you might just need to boost the channel a bit so it doesn't get too overpowered by those beasts!

I was thinking about that too. I have never heard the 28s but wouldn't think it would be a huge mismatch since they are still from the same line. If anything you might just need to boost the channel a bit so it doesn't get too overpowered by those beasts!
I want the 28's for 2ch stereo - they'll be powered by 250W/ch amp and the cc and surround from a 125w/ch amp - so they're mismatched out of the gate...

I want the 28's for 2ch stereo - they'll be powered by 250W/ch amp and the cc and surround from a 125w/ch amp - so they're mismatched out of the gate...

Maybe get youself new 3 channel amp like the XPA-3 to power your fronts. Not too big of a cost compared to the OMD28s.

I want the 28's for 2ch stereo - they'll be powered by 250W/ch amp and the cc and surround from a 125w/ch amp - so they're mismatched out of the gate...

I think you will be fine. I had the omd-c1 with the omd-15 but got greedy and upgraded to the omd-c2.

Just turn the volume up on the center channel.


Tony

Maybe get youself new 3 channel amp like the XPA-3 to power your fronts. Not too big of a cost compared to the OMD28s.

Kind of hard to justify, picked up the parasound 2250 (2 x 250w) in January to augment the 5125 (5 x 125w) which I bought in December...

Kind of hard to justify, picked up the parasound 2250 (2 x 250w) in January to augment the 5125 (5 x 125w) which I bought in December...

Nice amps. I won't worry too much about the mismatch. Your stereo will sound so good!!! :)


tony

Maybe get youself new 3 channel amp like the XPA-3 to power your fronts. Not too big of a cost compared to the OMD28s.

Thats my plan. I want the (2) OMD28's, and use my OMD-C1 for CC, and power those three with a Emotiva XPA-5. The amp will power my front three, and the other two channels will power my OMD-15's in another room. I also want the 28's for music listening.:D

Somebody is getting a pair of omd28 soon :rolleyes:


tnt

Does anybody know when the last OMD is cooming to Vanns? They are 2 days over the 15 april that was the orginal "date". Hoping to get my hand on 2 OMD28, 1 C2 and OMD15 as rear speakers. Anybody that has heard this combination? Is it okey?

Does anybody know when the last OMD is cooming to Vanns?

Their website is indicating the shipment of the 15's and the 28's now with an arrival date of April 30.

Does anybody know when the last OMD is cooming to Vanns? They are 2 days over the 15 april that was the orginal "date". Hoping to get my hand on 2 OMD28, 1 C2 and OMD15 as rear speakers. Anybody that has heard this combination? Is it okey?


Tim on this thread has that setup. Great setup.


tony

I hope to get a set of those OMD-28's Gloss Black. Yes Vann's says now April 30th. Anyone interested in the OMD-5 in Gloss Black, Vann's has them in stock for $199.88 each.

Sucks to wait another 2 weeks, was hoping to get those 15s soon!

I hope to get a set of those OMD-28's Gloss Black. Yes Vann's says now April 30th. Anyone interested in the OMD-5 in Gloss Black, Vann's has them in stock for $199.88 each.

Where'd ya see those? Could not find them anywhere. I did see two omd-15's in the clearance center in black for $450ea...

The OMD5s are listed on Vanns regular site. I didn't think they were supposed to get more...great value for the price.

Has anyone had any experience with clearance speakers from Vanns? The price is attractive I would just be worried that maybe they were not broken in properly or have some other bad cosmetic defect like crushed grill or something.

Sucks to wait another 2 weeks, was hoping to get those 15s soon!

I know, I was hoping to get the 28's and my amp at the same time.

The OMD5s are listed on Vanns regular site. I didn't think they were supposed to get more...great value for the price.

Has anyone had any experience with clearance speakers from Vanns? The price is attractive I would just be worried that maybe they were not broken in properly or have some other bad cosmetic defect like crushed grill or something.
I've probably bought 6 or more Mirage speakers from Vann's Clearance, and only one needed to be returned, which they accepted with no questions asked. The rest looked new to me. I'd say go for it if you see something you like.

i just picked up some OS3 FS and i have to say, i really love em. I wanted OMD15's but i just couldnt afford them right now. I found 2 pair of OS3 FS for $1200 shipped to my door. All i need now is a match center and figure out what im going to do for subs.

i just picked up some OS3 FS and i have to say, i really love em. I wanted OMD15's but i just couldnt afford them right now. I found 2 pair of OS3 FS for $1200 shipped to my door. All i need now is a match center and figure out what im going to do for subs.

I could have sold my omd-15 to you for a good deal. I am locally to you.

The set is only 4 months old. I am getting a pair of omd28.
Tony

I could have sold my omd-15 to you for a good deal. I am locally to you.

The set is only 4 months old. I am getting a pair of omd28
Tony

Stepping up to the big dawgs huh? Niceeee

I've probably bought 6 or more Mirage speakers from Vann's Clearance, and only one needed to be returned, which they accepted with no questions asked. The rest looked new to me. I'd say go for it if you see something you like.

I think it is a crapshoot. The only time I purchased a clearance speaker was for a OMD-15. It was labeled as Rosewood, but was actually Gloss Black. The speaker was terribly used and abused. It had a major chip about the size of your hand. Grilles were dented. I was surprised that Vann's would be selling this type of crap. Immediately sent the speaker back. Wish I had taken pictures before sending it back.

Don't like how Vann's description doesn't accurately portray condition. It would better if they can provide actual pics.

I think it is a crapshoot. The only time I purchased a clearance speaker was for a OMD-15. It was labeled as Rosewood, but was actually Gloss Black. The speaker was terribly used and abused. It had a major chip about the size of your hand. Grilles were dented. I was surprised that Vann's would be selling this type of crap. Immediately sent the speaker back. Wish I had taken pictures before sending it back.

Don't like how Vann's description doesn't accurately portray condition. It would better if they can provide actual pics.
I agree it's hard to know for sure on any particular speaker, but at the end of the day the fact that they accept returns on them for 30 days makes it a very low-risk proposition, IMO.

I agree it's hard to know for sure on any particular speaker, but at the end of the day the fact that they accept returns on them for 30 days makes it a very low-risk proposition, IMO.Might depend on how much of a hassle it is to unpack, test, repack and reship them, and whether you have time to deal with that.

By the way, it seems to be seven days on clearance items at the moment, not sure if it used to be longer:Within 7 days of receipt of this shipment, you may return:

For money back, any item purchased from the Clearance Center. - link (http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/content/info/1057020852522/1)

Might depend on how much of a hassle it is to unpack, test, repack and reship them, and whether you have time to deal with that.





Upon taking delivery of the omd15, I had to take half a day off for the fedex man.

tony

bought the omnidock ipod thingie that is back on sale from $79 down to $59.
It will be a present for my wife's birthday.

Nice...hopefully you are better than me because I have stopped convincing myself that I have her in mind when getting said items. I bought my wife another brand player for her ipod and in about a year ago and within a few months it became mine as with most electronic gifts I get her.

bought the omnidock ipod thingie that is back on sale from $79 down to $59.
It will be a present for my wife's birthday.

I got one for my Daughter. I got it from Vann's when it was the weekly special for $49.77, we received it last Friday it sounds awesome. Your wife will be very happy.

John

i just picked up some OS3 FS and i have to say, i really love em. I wanted OMD15's but i just couldnt afford them right now. I found 2 pair of OS3 FS for $1200 shipped to my door. All i need now is a match center and figure out what im going to do for subs.

couldn't you have gotten the omd-15's for the same price at vanns, since theyre selling each for $500? + free shipping

I have a pair of M790s I am selling. Replaced them with the Rocket 850s

couldn't you have gotten the omd-15's for the same price at vanns, since theyre selling each for $500? + free shipping

I think he mentioned that he got 2 pairs for 1200 which makes a big difference compared to the 2000 for the same qty of 15s. I missed that the first time too.

couldn't you have gotten the omd-15's for the same price at vanns, since theyre selling each for $500? + free shipping

Wasnt aware they were even on sale there but as pointed out, i got 4, gloss black, brand new, OS3 Floorstanders for less then $1200 shipped. They still sound great, but i can always look to the OMD's later down the road.

looking for speakers to pair with an SC-05 and stumbled across mirage MX 5.1 system with a MM 6 sub. does anyone have these speakers?

Wasnt aware they were even on sale there but as pointed out, i got 4, gloss black, brand new, OS3 Floorstanders for less then $1200 shipped. They still sound great, but i can always look to the OMD's later down the road.

You'll be hard pressed to find OMDs at these prices later as these are likely last of the new, dead stocks.

Hi plai74, sorry to hear that. We do our best with our clearance center. We are currently coming up with a new plan of listing clearance items with better descriptions, and possibly unique pictures. Thanks for the feedback, sorry to hear about the issues, and I will forward the concern to our clearance department.


I think it is a crapshoot. The only time I purchased a clearance speaker was for a OMD-15. It was labeled as Rosewood, but was actually Gloss Black. The speaker was terribly used and abused. It had a major chip about the size of your hand. Grilles were dented. I was surprised that Vann's would be selling this type of crap. Immediately sent the speaker back. Wish I had taken pictures before sending it back.

Don't like how Vann's description doesn't accurately portray condition. It would better if they can provide actual pics.

Lots of discussion about upgrading to the 28's. I bought the 15's for an extra room because I thought 1k for a pair was a good deal for a decent speaker. They sound good, but not great. I definitely would not have paid full price for them.

I am also considering upgrading to the 28's. But at 3k for a pair, I just don't know if the 28's are worth it. The 28's frequency response is horrible. Seems like there are so many other towers in that price range that are far better on paper. I wonder if I am even considering the upgrade based purely on the huge price reduction and the look of the speaker.

Yeah, I was thinking about the OMD28's too but not sure if they will not be more of the same as the OMD15's but with more bass, which is not what I need, I'll have a sub for that. It's just that at $3K I could get ML's, which I love. It's just that they don't have a high WAF. At $2K...... I might give the OMD28's a try though. :)

Yeah, I was thinking about the OMD28's too but not sure if they will not be more of the same as the OMD15's but with more bass, which is not what I need, I'll have a sub for that. It's just that at $3K I could get ML's, which I love. It's just that they don't have a high WAF. At $2K...... I might give the OMD28's a try though. :)

At $3k, it is hard to justify in this economy.

I also have a nice sub so I don't need more bass. Maybe we buy it cause its the flagship and price dropped.

tnt

4 black OMD15s in stock at the moment.

The 28's frequency response is horrible. Seems like there are so many other towers in that price range that are far better on paper.

Horrible might be a strong word (25 Hz - 20 kHz (+/- 3dB). What other towers in the $3K price range did you have in mind?

Also, I would be interested in the specifics of your set-up with the 15s (size of room, distance from walls, amps, HT/music, sources, etc.).

Thanks for the input.

4 black OMD15s in stock at the moment.

Buzzy thanks for the post, I just picked up a pair. Very excited to get these into my setup with the OMD5s and C1 :) Now my official search for an amp and sub can begin...this never ends.

Question in terms of subs, I am thinking of either possibly getting 2 Prestige S10s or either a SVS Ultra 13/JL Fathom 113. I need to save some cash before making a move either way but any ideas on which would pair better?

Tim

I bought two Mirage Prestige S10 subs ($600 from Vanns) to compliment r/l monitors and thought since there is so little out there on these subs I’d do a quick review.

They are very nice looking subs,, the finish is very good and the over all quality is high. I used the Radio Shack and Rives CD to tune in and test the subs from my primary seating position which is 14-feet from the subs. There is little question the S10s are tuned around the 30hz mark. With both ports open and things adjusted for maximum SPL,,, the 31.5hz signal is HOT,,, very hot about 10db difference (+6) between it and 63hz (-4). 25hz didn’t even register on the scale used,, so it drops like a rock from 31.5 to 25hz. This might have something to do with placement,,, I’m limited to where I can put them,,, and where they are is where they have to be.

HOWEVER, I plugged one of the ports (the S10 has dual ports),,, and 25hz jumps WAY up to -2, 31.5 drops down to a reasonable +2, 40hz registers -1, and 63hz comes up to -2. What’s amazing is 20hz registers at -8db. Flutter starts around 75db at 25hz (remember this is at 14ft),, so I set the output for a maximum of 73db at 25hz and came up with the following:

20hz – 67db
25hz – 73db
31.5 – 77db
40hz - 74db
50hz - 71db
63hz – 73db
80hz – 70db

I don’t know if this is good, decent, or bad. 2-channel stereo does sound better with the new subs than without,, although there is still a touch of boominess even with one port closed. There's no question that the two Mirage S10s sound better than the single Infinity PS12.

The primary sub,, the infinity PS12,, which I didn’t think was all that bad before the meter,,, does appear to be limited in extension and just adds to the boominess (boosts 31.5 and 40hz). Adding it in the mix yields:

20hz – 68db
25hz – 75db
31.5 – 80db
40hz - 79db
50hz - 73db
63hz – 76db
80hz – 72db

I tweaked the distance setting and played with phase as well as the crossover points on the PS12 and this was the best I could do. I would have thought that crossing at 40hz would have helped,,, but all that did was make an even bigger jump from 50hz to 31.5hz. Anyway,,, again,, I don’t know how this rates, but would assume not so good considering there are three subs playing. I was really surprised that the output db was as low as it was. I was expecting more, but I used the meter and found I typically listen to music in the 70 – 75db range,,, so I guess in that listening range they appears to meet my immediate needs. That is,, until I can get a better primary sub,, which is at the top of the list now.

Still,,, those 18lb cannon balls in Master and Commander sound pretty decent coming through the galley. Also,, scene 29 of the Matrix,,, the lobby scene with the techno music and machine guns blazing sounds really good as well. There is clear separation in the music and the mayhem,,, so again,, I’m kinda surprised to see the readings as low as they are. Again,, there is no question that things sound better and hit harder with the three subs.

I guess it’s like taking your first hot-rod to the race track,, usually disappointing to see the times,,, even though you THOUGHT it ran pretty good.

Anyway,,, for those that have the Prestige S10s or the Energy ESW-V10s,, you might want to consider plugging one of the ports if you haven't already,, just to see if it helps you as much as it did my arrangement.

At $3k, it is hard to justify in this economy.

I also have a nice sub so I don't need more bass. Maybe we buy it cause its the flagship and price dropped.

tnt

They are a bargain to what the MSRP is/was, but with these sales, we see what the true value is. Maybe they will have some come in with scratches or so, <$2K, I buy those. :D

By the way, the Maple OMD28's are now in stock.

I bought two Mirage Prestige S10 subs ($600 from Vanns) to compliment r/l monitors and thought since there is so little out there on these subs I’d do a quick review.

I was going to do the exact same thing.......buy two of these, but since I missed the sale it would have been at $700, not $600. It sounds like you are a little disappointed. I am looking for tight, but powerful HT sound. Would you recommend I buy two of these at $700 or just get one powerful 15" sub ?

They are a bargain to what the MSRP is/was, but with these sales, we see what the true value is. Maybe they will have some come in with scratches or so, <$2K, I buy those. :D

By the way, the Maple OMD28's are now in stock.

I tried to add the maple in just for fun and they only have 1.

Anyways, I am getting my omd28 in black this week ;)

Geez, someday snatched up the omd15. A few minutes ago, I seen 2 available.

tnt

Buzzy thanks for the post, I just picked up a pair. Very excited to get these into my setup with the OMD5s and C1 :) Now my official search for an amp and sub can begin...this never ends.

Question in terms of subs, I am thinking of either possibly getting 2 Prestige S10s or either a SVS Ultra 13/JL Fathom 113. I need to save some cash before making a move either way but any ideas on which would pair better?

Tim

Is this going to be in a dedicated room? I thought hard about the svs 13 but the size is a little too big for the living room. The jl is so pretty and compact. If you decide the get the JL, shop around. Each vendor has different price.

Tnt

looking for speakers to pair with an SC-05 and stumbled across mirage MX 5.1 system with a MM 6 sub. does anyone have these speakers?


I have never heard the MX system but it looks rather pricey compared to the Nano's which can be had for much cheaper. You might look to pair them with an S8 or S10 sub, either way you would save at least $400. I see they are back in stock at Vanns so you might want to take look.

Vanns now has stock on the 28 in black, 15 in black, c1 in rosewood, c2 in black. So it may be worth keeping an eye on if there's something you're looking for, since it seems like they're adding product today.

Vanns now has stock on the 28 in black, 15 in black, c1 in rosewood, c2 in black. So it may be worth keeping an eye on if there's something you're looking for, since it seems like they're adding product today.

I just ordered a pair of omd28 in black. Wife wanted rosewood, but since my setup is all black, I feel safer to go with black.

Does anybody use the feet that comes with the speaker on wood floor? It doesn't say anything beside better bass, etc.

Tnt

I called Vann's this morning and preordered the 28's in black. Then received an email later to say they came in. Can't wait to get them.:D

I called Vann's this morning and preordered the 28's in black. Then received an email later to say they came in. Can't wait to get them.:D

Nice. There were supposed to be 6 available. I wonder who ordered the last pair. Probably somebody on this thread too.

Tnt

Does anybody use the feet that comes with the speaker on wood floor? It doesn't say anything beside better bass, etc.

Tnt

Yes, but I believe you need to get them broken in before you put the spikes on. If you are on a hardwood floor you may want to put something under the feet so they do not scratch the floor. What I did was cut a clear lexan disc the shape of the base of the speaker, put felt pads on the floor side and then put the spikes directly onto the clear lexan.

Yes, but I believe you need to get them broken in before you put the spikes on. If you are on a hardwood floor you may want to put something under the feet so they do not scratch the floor. What I did was cut a clear lexan disc the shape of the base of the speaker, put felt pads on the floor side and then put the spikes directly onto the clear lexan.

Since I have the cheap pergo wood floor, this wouldn't be a problem. I was more concern about the stability of the speaker.

The feet on the omd28 are not as pointy as the spike on the omd15 (I seen it in person).

tnt

The feet on the omd28 are not as pointy as the spike on the omd15 (I seen it in person).

tnt

Thats cool. But remember you need the 100hrs. of breakin before the feet go on.

John

I was going to do the exact same thing.......buy two of these, but since I missed the sale it would have been at $700, not $600. It sounds like you are a little disappointed. I am looking for tight, but powerful HT sound. Would you recommend I buy two of these at $700 or just get one powerful 15" sub ?
I was very limited in placement and the physical size of the sub, the S10s are probably fairly decent for a small 10" sub. I can't say for sure, but the two definitely sounds better than the one PS12 (300 watt 12").

I was very disappointed in the way they sounded before plugging one of the ports (very "boomy" - probably placement,, but I can't fit them any where else). I certainly don't think they sound bad now with one port plugged. They're very articulate,, I played bass guitar many moons ago,, and the two S10s sound "real",,, there is NO comparison in the way the two S10s sound compared to the single Infinity PS12. So,,, overall I guess I'd say I'm OK with them,, but I did expect a little more SPL from them.

Anyway,,, I know this is a Mirage thread and I hope I don't get stoned by saying if I had to do it over again,,, I'd find a way to fit in a pair of HSU VTF-1s. Actually,,, knowing what I do now,, I'd find a way to make two 12" HSUs or Outlaws fit. I had originally thought two twleve would be over-kill,,, but now I'm thinking probably not.

Again,, I don't think they sound bad,,, they sound very good,, and if I hadn't metered them,, I'd probably be a lot happier with them,, lol.

I was very limited in placement and the physical size of the sub, the S10s are probably fairly decent for a small 10" sub. I can't say for sure, but the two definitely sounds better than the one PS12 (300 watt 12").

I was very disappointed in the way they sounded before plugging one of the ports (very "boomy" - probably placement,, but I can't fit them any where else). I certainly don't think they sound bad now with one port plugged. They're very articulate,, I played bass guitar many moons ago,, and the two S10s sound "real",,, there is NO comparison in the way the two S10s sound compared to the single Infinity PS12. So,,, overall I guess I'd say I'm OK with them,, but I did expect a little more SPL from them.

Anyway,,, I know this is a Mirage thread and I hope I don't get stoned by saying if I had to do it over again,,, I'd find a way to fit in a pair of HSU VTF-1s. Actually,,, knowing what I do now,, I'd find a way to make two 12" HSUs or Outlaws fit. I had originally thought two twleve would be over-kill,,, but now I'm thinking probably not.

Again,, I don't think they sound bad,,, they sound very good,, and if I hadn't metered them,, I'd probably be a lot happier with them,, lol.

What did you use to plug the port?

I was very limited in placement and the physical size of the sub, the S10s are probably fairly decent for a small 10" sub. I can't say for sure, but the two definitely sounds better than the one PS12 (300 watt 12").

I was very disappointed in the way they sounded before plugging one of the ports (very "boomy" - probably placement,, but I can't fit them any where else). I certainly don't think they sound bad now with one port plugged. They're very articulate,, I played bass guitar many moons ago,, and the two S10s sound "real",,, there is NO comparison in the way the two S10s sound compared to the single Infinity PS12. So,,, overall I guess I'd say I'm OK with them,, but I did expect a little more SPL from them.

Anyway,,, I know this is a Mirage thread and I hope I don't get stoned by saying if I had to do it over again,,, I'd find a way to fit in a pair of HSU VTF-1s. Actually,,, knowing what I do now,, I'd find a way to make two 12" HSUs or Outlaws fit. I had originally thought two twleve would be over-kill,,, but now I'm thinking probably not.

Again,, I don't think they sound bad,,, they sound very good,, and if I hadn't metered them,, I'd probably be a lot happier with them,, lol.


The problem is if you plug one port you will lose some SPL, maybe quite a lot depending on the design.

Well, if you would like to upgrade, you can always sell them to me. :D Then go for the VTF-1's, which are now on sale. They would be for my bedroom, so spl is not as important as clean, tight bass.

Anyone has any idea what the actually frequency response of the OS3-Sat looks like....in terms of the -3dB point?

I am considering picking up a pair for surround use...and am wondering how well they will handle an 80Hz crossover... I know Mirage rates them to 70Hz @ -3dB...but I imagine that rating is a bit generous...

Anyone has any idea what the actually frequency response of the OS3-Sat looks like....in terms of the -3dB point?

I am considering picking up a pair for surround use...and am wondering how well they will handle an 80Hz crossover... I know Mirage rates them to 70Hz @ -3dB...but I imagine that rating is a bit generous...I have no idea where they get that figure, but IMO they can't come even close to 80hz.

From discussions in this thread, some people seem to use 100, some 120hz ... assuming that the OS3s perform the same as the earlier versions - which they should.

Most of the measurements out there are for the FS (floorstanders), and they are hard speakers to measure in a fair way, due to the omnipolar feature. (More so in the treble than the bass, though.) But FWIW look at the red trace on this measurement graph for the V2 (http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/506mirage/index2.html). 100hz at a minimum, 120hz to do the job well, is what I'd get from that. Which is consistent with my experience and most of the comments in this thread.

In fairness, it's a very small sealed enclosure. People aren't really buying them for low crossover.

And some people might not mind this kind of performance for a surround speaker.

The OMD-5s might be an option for someone looking to get lower response.

I just ordered a pair of omd28 in black. Wife wanted rosewood, but since my setup is all black, I feel safer to go with black.
Congrats, Tony! I know how long you've been lusting those suckers - glad to hear you got them. Seems like only yesterday you were upgrading from the OMD 5s to the 15s, and now you've grown up all the way. I'm envious, but still very happy with my 5s!

Does this mean your next upgrade will be something other than speakers? ;)

Congrats, Tony! I know how long you've been lusting those suckers - glad to hear you got them. Seems like only yesterday you were upgrading from the OMD 5s to the 15s, and now you've grown up all the way. I'm envious, but still very happy with my 5s!

Does this mean your next upgrade will be something other than speakers? ;)

I already bought an epson 6500 last month and a screen. So I am done for now. My diet will consist of noodles & rice for the rest of the year :).

If I survived the diet, the next toys would be a harmony all in one remote and a name brand amp (down the road). I saw your theatre build up on the other thread (seems like a lot of work). Are you near finish?

Tony

Tony, Did your speakers ship? Mine shipped but the tracking is not up yet.

John

Tony, Did your speakers ship? Mine shipped but the tracking is not up yet.

John

Bluvette - My 15s shipped today with an estimated delivery of next monday.

Tractng - I have the harmony one and would definitely recommend it. Its great to be rid of the various component remotes but the best part is being able to easily explain to my parents or wife how to turn on the system in 5 words or less.

My 15's shipped today!!!

I was very limited in placement and the physical size of the sub, the S10s are probably fairly decent for a small 10" sub......... Again,, I don't think they sound bad,,, they sound very good,, and if I hadn't metered them,, I'd probably be a lot happier with them,, lol.

Ok,,, I'm an idiot,, I admit it - although I figured something had to be wrong considering how well they sound hitting well over 80db with music. Plus,,, the S10.3 subs did very well and these should be at least as good,, right?

So,,, I had a friend come over to see if adjusting the phase on these Prestige S10 subs would help while he watched the meter in the primary seating location. The woofer flapping limiting output to what I thought was 73db at 25hz,,,, was loose trim on the wall "flapping". I'm going to have to do a complete 180 on my bogus first impression concerning output. These little guys are moving some air.

Here's the new meter reading (14ft seating position) on the S10s with slightly tweaked phase and after nailing down all the flapping trim. Now,,, it's more in line with what I was expecting to begin with.

20hz – 86db
25hz – 93db
31.5 – 97db
40hz - 96db
50hz - 91db
63hz – 96db
80hz – 93db

alphaiii,, you asked what I used to plug the port. I used a hand towel rolled up and crammed in the port. I'm going to come up with a more acceptable permanent alternative though.

Tony, Did your speakers ship? Mine shipped but the tracking is not up yet.

John


Shipped today. Tracking just showed up. Check yours again. Fedex updates their stuff late around 7-8 p.m.

Fedex requires a signature for these items.


tony

Is this going to be in a dedicated room? I thought hard about the svs 13 but the size is a little too big for the living room. The jl is so pretty and compact. If you decide the get the JL, shop around. Each vendor has different price.

Tnt

Is more for a theatre/media/play room. The size is definitely a plus over the SVS. I assume any of these would play nice with the OMDs if setup properly so I guess it really comes down to the 2 S10s vs. 1 JL.

I have never heard a setup with 2 subs so am not sure which would be best.

I am thinking have two subs will be so hard to calibrate. I had a hsu ho sub and a mbm and thought it was very difficult.

tnt

hi

Much like other people have mentioned I would like to thank everyone on these forums for their help. It makes my decision making much more educated.

I am far from an audiophile but I just got the Mirage 550's and a C150 yesterday from Crutchfield. (PS...very pleased...ordered on Wednesday at 2:30 and had them at my door Thursday at 1:00):D

Wasn't planning on buying speakers but the pricing was hard to resist. Just bought the Onkyo 705 and a PS3 for Bluray so I decided to change everything ...within some budget limits of course.

amidcars, how many different kinds of speakers did you buy? I notice you posted in several different speaker threads.

EKGRacing,

I appreciate your posts. I still haven't gotten my Prestige S10 figured out.
Sometimes the ouput is huge then otere tiimes it isn't. I traded out my sub cable to a better audioquest one and i've lost some db.
haven't figured out all of the settings in my receiver either.
Using my stereophile test disc i got what sounds like port noise at 25Hz and below.
Might be because the sub is uneven on the floor and the sub box is vibrating.
But this sub will definitely get down there.

If I survived the diet, the next toys would be a harmony all in one remote and a name brand amp (down the road). I saw your theatre build up on the other thread (seems like a lot of work). Are you near finish?

Tony
Near finished?! ME?! :eek:

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, "This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." ;)

I'm afraid I'll probably still be toiling on my build long after you have upgraded from your new 28s!

Anyone know where I could purchase a pair of OMD-5(black) bookself speakers? Anyone in this forum looking to sell their OMD-5's?

Anyone know where I could purchase a pair of OMD-5(black) bookself speakers? Anyone in this forum looking to sell their OMD-5's?


Tildawn10 is selling (i think). Great speakers.

Tony

Anyone know where I could purchase a pair of OMD-5(black) bookself speakers? Anyone in this forum looking to sell their OMD-5's?

I think Vann's is getting some in next week. For $200 each shipped you can't go wrong. You have to keep checking with them, because when they come in they are gone fast.

EKGRacing,

I appreciate your posts. I still haven't gotten my Prestige S10 figured out.
Sometimes the ouput is huge then otere tiimes it isn't. I traded out my sub cable to a better audioquest one and i've lost some db.
haven't figured out all of the settings in my receiver either.
Using my stereophile test disc i got what sounds like port noise at 25Hz and below.
Might be because the sub is uneven on the floor and the sub box is vibrating.
But this sub will definitely get down there.

I'm not hearing any port noise; you might want to plug one of the ports to see if that helps with the noise??? My situation might have been placement with them so boomy at 31.5 Hz,, if you're seeing the same thing,, plugging a port helped me a good bit.

Home subs,, and multiple ones are tough to get right. I've been monkeying around with "the tune" for almost a week and I think I've about settled on the compromise. I had my seating position reading pretty flat,, but everywhere else sounded like poop. Now I have all the seating positions sound pretty dang good with very little variance between them. It's not as flat on the meter,, but I'm digging how center seating sounds as well.

I can tell you,, it was a pain to get the physical phase right on the subs (at first I though the knob was for 0-180 like my car amps,, not 180 to 0 to -180) and work with the distance/delay,, which kinda sorta effects phasing. With a movement of about three inches more from the side wall and continued tweaking on the receiver's sub distance and cross-over setting on the third sub (only has a 0-180 switch on the PS12), I was able to basically do away with the 5db drop I had at 50hz and pick up at 25hz as well. I think I've got it about as good as I can get it,, and it ain't that bad if I do say so myself.

Man,, it's like everything else,, research, time, and effort pays off in the long run. My original impression of the sub(s) after four or five days with them was not all that good,, and I was wishing I had applied the $600 to a pair of HSU 12” subs. Now,, I’m completely satisfied and happy I didn’t spend the extra money. The two S10s have more than enough power to overtake the mains, they are very articulate (complement the B&W 805s very well), and they go plenty low for right/left subs. My next step will be replacing the PS12,, and I can afford to spend a little more money than I originally thought since I’m happily sticking with the S10s.

Get the level right and the right isolators for your floor and I bet that will fix most all your problems. Again,, you might want to plug a port and take some reading to see what that does for you.

Good luck! KG

EKG Racing,

Mine has never been boomy. I've got it about 7" from the back wall, 14" from the side wall and about 12" or so from the tv stand. I can't find the spikes that came with the sub.
I think i'll mess with the phase.
I am extremely happy with the sub, it is tight and goes pretty damn deep.
Just have to figure out all of my modes, etc. on the receiver.
We listened to some rap song on my wife's ipod and it had crushing bass, a week later we listened to it again and it was still impressive, but not as much. I can't figure it out.

I have 2 S10 and I also have been trying different things, turn the subs in different directions, etc. I put a plug in the port and it does make a difference. I have to do more testing. Thanks.

John

I'm just wondering what kind of speaker wire connectors everyone uses. Right now, I have bare speaker wire connected to the binding posts, however I'm thinking about using a flexible pin connector (the binding posts on the Omnisats are hard to get at). I have 4 omnisat v2 SS's mounted on stands and I'm looking to "clean up" the look and give it more of a professional appearance.

I'm just wondering what kind of speaker wire connectors everyone uses. Right now, I have bare speaker wire connected to the binding posts, however I'm thinking about using a flexible pin connector (the binding posts on the Omnisats are hard to get at). I have 4 omnisat v2 SS's mounted on stands and I'm looking to "clean up" the look and give it more of a professional appearance.

For the majority of my speakers, I bought a couple of 100' rolls of 12 ga speaker wire from monoprice with their banana clips in a bag. I went to my local computerparts store (microcenter) and bought wire shrinkwrap tubes. I just cut my speakerwire to length, stripped off the ends, put a 1" length of shrinkwrap tube, connected the red wire to the banana plug with red ring, connected the black wire to the banana plug with black ring, lined up the shrinkwrap over the edge of the outerjacket & red n' black wires, then heated the shrinkwrap with my wife's hairdryer and had finished wires. If you cut the shrinkwrap straight, gives you a very professional appearance.

For the rear speakers and speakers in the cellar, I bought an 8-port speaker wire wall connector (from monoprice) and banana plugged into it from both sides. I ran the rear speakers along the cellar rafters and drilled two holes under the baseboard heater at different spots and pushed the speaker wires through, then I finished them off as described.

The cellar speakers (v2's) had a long speaker wire length to them and I set screws all around the basement so I could move them around - near the dart board, near the workout area, near the workbench... I used the banana plugs, but ran out of shrinkwrap. I did notice that they were "sort of a good fit" between the back of the v2 and the v2's mounting bracket - good enough for me. You have to be careful to make sure the screw is tightened enought so the plugs don't slip. Not sure if the barrel of the banana plug could short against the painted mounting bracket - was going to put electrical tape over it.

I must confess I did buy a pair of bi-wired cables from Blue Jean cables for the OMD-15's. Not sure if they made a difference or not. My pre-amp to amp interconnects were from Blue Jean as well, but my digital coax were either from monoprice or tartan - like to support the avsforum sponsors...

12ga wire is overkill for short distance wires, but they look sweet and they were cheap to make... I think 100' spool was $25 or so...

Man... it seems like the S10's are pretty hard to set up to sound their best. I want a pair, because I think aesthetically and maybe even sonically they will be very compatible with my OMD15's, but it seems they aren't the easiest subs to get clean tight bass from.

I can't think of any reasons the S10s would be harder than any other ported sub. It's more complicated than people realize, given the distances / phase need to be aligned with the mains and any other subs. And then there's the interaction with the room.

The platinum black nanosats are $50 at Vanns now FWIW.

Mixdoctor, the bass from my S10s is tight and muscial.

Man... it seems like the S10's are pretty hard to set up to sound their best. I want a pair, because I think aesthetically and maybe even sonically they will be very compatible with my OMD15's, but it seems they aren't the easiest subs to get clean tight bass from.

Mixdoctor, the base from my S10s is tight and muscial.

I think it's all in the placement. b4z may have better placement than us. The problem is when you do not have much of a choice in the placement, like I have.:confused:

I think it's all in the placement. b4z may have better placement than us. The problem is when you do not have much of a choice in the placement, like I have.:confused:

When are you expecting the omd28?

Mine is scheduled for tomorrow.

Tony

Can't believe i spelled bass, b.a.s.e.

There is a track I've used over the last couple of weeks to "show off" my speakers.
Diana Krall "Love Scenes"- (track 11) "My Love Is".
Not because the bass is deep, because it's so flippin' articulate.
You can hear the strings being plucked and you can hear them vibrating.
It's crazy how good it sounds.

On another note.
Are you guys with the OMD line noticing that some of the old rock chestnuts don't sound that good or a little much on the top end?
i think some of the more poorly recorded rock from the 70s gets a little strident at times.
not a tweeter problem just something that doesn't sound great turned up.
i was listening to some Led Zepplin last night and turned down a few of the songs.
The tweeter is so accurate that there is some frequencies or ringing that bothers me at times.

When are you expecting the omd28?

Mine is scheduled for tomorrow.

Tony

Mine are also scheduled for tomorrow. I hope they show up in good condition. One of my Prestige S10 came in and there was nothing left of the box.:eek: Can't wait to get them setup.

There is a track I've used over the last couple of weeks to "show off" my speakers.
Diana Krall "Love Scenes"- (track 11) "My Love Is".
Not because the bass is deep, because it's so flippin' articulate.
You can hear the strings being plucked and you can hear them vibrating.
It's crazy how good it sounds.

On another note.
Are you guys with the OMD line noticing that some of the old rock chestnuts don't sound that good or a little much on the top end?
i think some of the more poorly recorded rock from the 70s gets a little strident at times.
not a tweeter problem just something that doesn't sound great turned up.
i was listening to some Led Zepplin last night and turned down a few of the songs.
The tweeter is so accurate that there is some frequencies or ringing that bothers me at times.

Some of the recordings in the 70's were not to great.

Mine are also scheduled for tomorrow. I hope they show up in good condition. One of my Prestige S10 came in and there was nothing left of the box.:eek: Can't wait to get them setup.

Us on the the east coast are getting them Monday...wish I had them for the weekend but hope to spend some time at the beach and enjoy the weather.

Mine are also scheduled for tomorrow. I hope they show up in good condition. One of my Prestige S10 came in and there was nothing left of the box.:eek: Can't wait to get them setup.

I've got a pair of OMD-15's coming monday to. :D I also hope they show up in good condition. My Prestige S10 came damaged due to poor packaging. Cross my fingers that the OMD-15's are packaged better than the subwoofer.

Mine are also scheduled for tomorrow. I hope they show up in good condition. One of my Prestige S10 came in and there was nothing left of the box.:eek: Can't wait to get them setup.

Seriously though, I am worried too. I have my share of bent grilles with the omd-c2 and omd15. I was able to fix the bent grill on the omd15.

For the omd-c2, it looked like somebody punched the box.

Knowing these items shipped from europe, it traveled a long way :)

Hope yours and mine don't need to be returned.

Btw, I am surprised Mirage doesn't double box their packages.

tony

Seriously though, I am worried too. I have my share of bent grilles with the omd-c2 and omd15. I was able to fix the bent grill on the omd15.

For the omd-c2, it looked like somebody punched the box.

Knowing these items shipped from europe, it traveled a long way :)

Hope yours and mine don't need to be returned.

Btw, I am surprised Mirage doesn't double box their packages.

tony

I guess thte good news is that worst case if they are damaged, they still have more stock coming in which could be used as replacement.

I guess thte good news is that worst case if they are damaged, they still have more stock coming in which could be used as replacement.

I was thinking the same thing. I even complained to Vann's when the S10 came in the broken box. They said they were working on their packaging. We will soon see.

I was thinking the same thing. I even complained to Vann's when the S10 came in the broken box. They said they were working on their packaging. We will soon see.

Did you S10 come in a plain box with no styrofoam or protection? Mine looked like it had been repackaged and b-stock. I didn't expect that kind of service from Vanns hope it doesn't happen again.

Did you S10 come in a plain box with no styrofoam or protection? Mine looked like it had been repackaged and b-stock. I didn't expect that kind of service from Vanns hope it doesn't happen again.

My S8 was packaged very nicely with styrofoam as has all my stuff been from vanns thus far (knocking on wood as I type).

Yeah,

My S10 had a hole in the box but there were not problems with the sub. The box for the S8 I bought on behalf of a friend had a messed up corner and the wrapping was worn through but the sub was fine.
The s10 that i haven't opened looks fine.

I think it's all in the placement. b4z may have better placement than us. The problem is when you do not have much of a choice in the placement, like I have.:confused:

Yep Vette I agree. I’m in the same boat,,, there is no other place I can put the S10s. They’re toed in a little with about a 3/4-inch from the wall on one corner and about 2.5-inches on the other corner. There is also about that same clearance from the entertainment center. The right sub is about 30 inches from an opening into the foyer and hall, the left sub is about 30-inches from a corner wall with the third sub crammed into that 30-inch corner opening.

So,, there are serious placement issues that I’ve had to deal with. There’s only about 36” clearance from the third sub and the couch and the room has vaulted ceilings (don’t know if that’s good, bad, or indifferent). I’m sure it would have been easier to dial in if I had even the least little bit of wiggle room.

It definitely sounds better with all three subs going than with the old "third" sub. Even with my crappy location,,, I'd still define the S10s as tight and articulate with excellent extension with one port closed.

I also don't think the S10s are any harder to set up than any other sub. The variable adjustment does add a little complexity (more than two options),, although I'm extremely glad it was there to tweak. I do believe what ever sub I replace the PS12 with will have to have a variable adjustment,, kinda leaning towards the SVS PC13-Ultra due to only having a 21 x 30 area for it to fit in. I do think I'd have to get it covered in a pleather, leather, or vinyl to match the sofa,, hopefully that would make it look less like a cat scratching post.

Yeah,

My S10 had a hole in the box but there were not problems with the sub. The box for the S8 I bought on behalf of a friend had a messed up corner and the wrapping was worn through but the sub was fine.
The s10 that i haven't opened looks fine.

The box they come in is soft cardboard. That's fine for pallet shipments to a BM store,, not good at all for shipping. I about stroked when I saw the boxes. One was beat up badly and while the box corner was well rounded and the styrofoam corner was split in half,, it was fine. The other didn't look as bad,, but it had holes punched through it. There was a small indention on that sub, but I just put it on the left side so you can't see it. I also called Vanns to complain and tell them they needed to double box these things or they were going to have a ton of them coming back.

Did you S10 come in a plain box with no styrofoam or protection? Mine looked like it had been repackaged and b-stock. I didn't expect that kind of service from Vanns hope it doesn't happen again.

It was in the Mirage box, but all the foam was broken. This is how the box came, I did not open this.

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp173/Bluvette1/Picture006.jpg

Yep Vette I agree. I’m in the same boat,,, there is no other place I can put the S10s. They’re toed in a little with about a 3/4-inch from the wall on one corner and about 2.5-inches on the other corner. There is also about that same clearance from the entertainment center. The right sub is about 30 inches from an opening into the foyer and hall, the left sub is about 30-inches from a corner wall with the third sub crammed into that 30-inch corner opening.

So,, there are serious placement issues that I’ve had to deal with. There’s only about 36” clearance from the third sub and the couch and the room has vaulted ceilings (don’t know if that’s good, bad, or indifferent). I’m sure it would have been easier to dial in if I had even the least little bit of wiggle room.

It definitely sounds better with all three subs going than with the old "third" sub. Even with my crappy location,,, I'd still define the S10s as tight and articulate with excellent extension with one port closed.

I also don't think the S10s are any harder to set up than any other sub. The variable adjustment does add a little complexity (more than two options),, although I'm extremely glad it was there to tweak. I do believe what ever sub I replace the PS12 with will have to have a variable adjustment,, kinda leaning towards the SVS PC13-Ultra due to only having a 21 x 30 area for it to fit in. I do think I'd have to get it covered in a pleather, leather, or vinyl to match the sofa,, hopefully that would make it look less like a cat scratching post.

My room is 15X28. I do not have a corner to put them in. They are across from each other 15' apart about 3" from the walls with the ports towards the walls. They are placed about 12" behind my OMD15's. I plugged one port on each sub and it seemed to improve the bass. Still messing around with it (my wife thinks I am nuts):confused:

(my wife thinks I am nuts):confused:

LOL,, I can hear it now,,,

"What are you doing with "our" decorative monogrammed hand towels that Aunt Edna gave us?"

Oh,, I'm stuffing them in one of the ports in the back of the subwoofer.

"Why on earth would you want to do that?"

Well, there was some squirrel on the internet that said it helped the bass.

"Squirrel is right,,,, you really are nuts,, and get some of those shop rags you have thrown all over the garage and put back MY fricken hand towels!!!!!

LOL,, I can hear it now,,,

"What are you doing with "our" decorative monogrammed hand towels that Aunt Edna gave us?"

Oh,, I'm stuffing them in one of the ports in the back of the subwoofer.

"Why on earth would you want to do that?"

Well, there was some squirrel on the internet that said it helped the bass.

"Squirrel is right,,,, you really are nuts,, and get some of those shop rags you have thrown all over the garage and put back MY fricken hand towels!!!!!

I rolled up some of my old socks in a tight ball and stuffed them in the ports. She was glad to see the ones with the holes in them go.

Maybe Mirage should have had front firing ports or a downward firing speaker with front firing ports?
might help placement.

although I like sealed speakers.

"I like sealed speakers".

Sounds like a BK commercial about square pants...

My 28's came in, good condition. On one of them the grill was a little bent up but I was able to repair it easily. These things are huge and heavy. The sound is unbelievable, much fuller than the 15's, but I still love the 15's. I can only imagine that they will get better after the breakin is done. I moved my 15's into the living room and they really sound awesome in there, a whole different room with different acoustics. My Emotiva XPA-5 will be deliveried Monday and then I think I am done (no more budget).

tractng, did you get your 28's? How do you like them? Did they come in good condition?

John

Currently have Infinity Beta 50s - C360- ES250s. Was wondering if anyone has had any experience
with the Omnisat V2 used as the rear surrounds for a setup that do not match the other speakers.
Was told it would be a pretty bad idea to mix the 2 types of speakers together. Would be using for
roughly 70% HT and 30% music. Thanks.

My 28's came in, good condition. On one of them the grill was a little bent up but I was able to repair it easily. These things are huge and heavy. The sound is unbelievable, much fuller than the 15's, but I still love the 15's. I can only imagine that they will get better after the breakin is done. I moved my 15's into the living room and they really sound awesome in there, a whole different room with different acoustics. My Emotiva XPA-5 will be deliveried Monday and then I think I am done (no more budget).

tractng, did you get your 28's? How do you like them? Did they come in good condition?

John

Speakers arrived with two large boxes. I thought they sent me two pairs just from looking at the boxes on the Fedex truck (originally, they had tried to charge me twice). The Fedex guy asked what the heck were in the boxes :).

Vanns did double box this time. The outside box is twice the size of the omd box filled with air bubble.

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Just from one box.

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Bluvette,

They are in very excellent condition. The sound is much fuller. I had a chance to listen to Diana Krall, Sarah Mclachlan, Sarah Brightman, & Pet shop boys :). I must say I am impressed witht he clarity and sound of these speakers. These speakers do need to be coupled with an amp though. Right now I am using a onkyo 805.

The suckers are heavy and large. Wife walked in after work and didn't notice until the night time.

The speakers without the grills look gorgeous. With the kid and cat, I had to cover them. Just a few days ago, the kitty jumped on the center speaker and was about to leap onto the screen but luckily I was nearby.

If you are thinking about the omd28, get them at this price. Make sure you have the room for them.

Tony

Speakers arrived with two large boxes. I thought they sent me two pairs just from looking at the boxes on the Fedex truck (originally, they had tried to charge me twice). The Fedex guy asked what the heck were in the boxes :).

Vanns did double box this time. The outside box is twice the size of the omd box filled with air bubble.

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Just from one box.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d53/tractng/IMAGE_510.jpg


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Bluvette,

They are in very excellent condition. The sound is much fuller. I had a chance to listen to Diana Krall, Sarah Mclachlan, Sarah Brightman, & Pet shop boys :). I must say I am impressed witht he clarity and sound of these speakers. These speakers do need to be coupled with an amp though. Right now I am using a onkyo 805.

The suckers are heavy and large. Wife walked in after worked and didn't notice until the night time.

The speakers without the grills look gorgeous. With the kid and cat, I had to cover them. Just a few days ago, the kitty jumped on the center speaker and was about to leap onto the screen but luckily I was nearby.

If you are thinking about the omd28, get them at this price. Make sure you have the room for them.

Tony


Tony they look great in your room, love the setup with the screen and center channel. Are you planning put down an area rug or something to minimize any echo or reverb?

And please...stop convincing me to get the 28s before my new 15s have even delivered ;) I can't afford to upgrade again.

Speakers arrived with two large boxes. I thought they sent me two pairs just from looking at the boxes on the Fedex truck (originally, they had tried to charge me twice). The Fedex guy asked what the heck were in the boxes :).

Vanns did double box this time. The outside box is twice the size of the omd box filled with air bubble.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d53/tractng/IMAGE_508.jpg


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d53/tractng/IMAGE_509.jpg
Just from one box.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d53/tractng/IMAGE_510.jpg


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d53/tractng/IMAGE_512.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d53/tractng/IMAGE_522.jpg


Bluvette,

They are in very excellent condition. The sound is much fuller. I had a chance to listen to Diana Krall, Sarah Mclachlan, Sarah Brightman, & Pet shop boys :). I must say I am impressed witht he clarity and sound of these speakers. These speakers do need to be coupled with an amp though. Right now I am using a onkyo 805.

The suckers are heavy and large. Wife walked in after worked and didn't notice until the night time.

The speakers without the grills look gorgeous. With the kid and cat, I had to cover them. Just a few days ago, the kitty jumped on the center speaker and was about to leap onto the screen but luckily I was nearby.

If you are thinking about the omd28, get them at this price. Make sure you have the room for them.

Tony

Tony, mine were not double boxed. They just came in the Mirage boxes, but they were not to beat up. Your setup looks great. I agree you definitely need some room with these. If I get a chance I will get some pic's up.

John

Tildawn10, I can't wait till you get your 15's to get your feedback. I think you will be very happy with them. The 28's are very large and need space. Because of the layout of my room the 28's maybe too large. I may end up putting them in my Living Room and the 15's back in the A/V Room.

John

Tildawn10, I can't wait till you get your 15's to get your feedback. I think you will be very happy with them. The 28's are very large and need space. Because of the layout of my room the 28's maybe too large. I may end up putting them in my Living Room and the 15's back in the A/V Room.

John

What are the sizes of the living room and media room?

A rug will be in the future :).

Tony

What are the sizes of the living room and media room?

A rug will be in the future :).

Tony

Living Room 19X24 with vaulted ceiling
Media Room (Family Room) 15X28 w/8' ceiling.

The problem is my TV is in the corner so the speakers are not centered.

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp173/Bluvette1/AVRoom1.jpg

Living Room 19X24 with vaulted ceiling
Media Room (Family Room) 15X27 w/8' ceiling.

The problem is my TV is in the corner so the speakers are not centered.

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp173/Bluvette1/AVRoom1.jpg

What is behind the sofa? Maybe furniture rotation :).

Tony

Behind the sofa is another 10', but there is no wall my kitchen is 4 steps up and overlooks the media room. That is the problem a lack of wall space and wide open room. I have tried everything and this is the best I could come up with.

Hello, I am looking at replacing some Monitor Audio radius front 270s and center speaker 225 (these both have 4” mids and 1” tweeter) with:

OMD-15 fronts and OMD-C1 center

The amp I am using is the Yamaha 3900

I have Polk in wall for the surround channels

I plan on using my powered Monitor audio radius 360 sub 8”

I listen to music 35% and movies/sat tv the rest.

I noticed the mirage speakers are 6 ohm, should I be concerned about using them with my rcvr, it is 8 ohm out.

Also I have read on this forum that you need to crank the Mirage speakers to hear the best sound, is there an issue to listening these speakers at low volumes. The sensitivity seems very good, you it would seem like they would perform fine at low volumes. I guess I am concerned about vocal clarity at the low volumes especially from TV.


How do you think this system will work together and sound?

Thanks

Congrats on the new speakers! (and nice a TV too) Are those the 15's or 28's? How do they sound? I can't help but mention that when I was setting mine up, they didn't like side walls at all and they came into their own a little closer together. The first thing I thought when I saw your pic is that if you don't use the fireplace often, that wall would be a great 2week off project to build a new cutom wall in front of the fireplace, with the TV flush mounted, cupboards on either side for the gear etc, shelves all above with your speakers in front. (I had a fireplace I never used and a TV I always did and wished I'd done this but never got around to it!)
Its probably a lot of a stretch though!! but if those are 28's a rotation does sound on the money, as per Tony. 1 pic never tells the whole story however. Enjoy breaking them in and turning them up. Rosewood...?

Congrats on the new speakers! (and nice a TV too) Are those the 15's or 28's? How do they sound? I can't help but mention that when I was setting mine up, they didn't like side walls at all and they came into their own a little closer together. The first thing I thought when I saw your pic is that if you don't use the fireplace often, that wall would be a great 2week off project to build a new cutom wall in front of the fireplace, with the TV flush mounted, cupboards on either side for the gear etc, shelves all above with your speakers in front. (I had a fireplace I never used and a TV I always did and wished I'd done this but never got around to it!)
Its probably a lot of a stretch though!! but if those are 28's a rotation does sound on the money, as per Tony. 1 pic never tells the whole story however. Enjoy breaking them in and turning them up. Rosewood...?

My wife and I were just talking about that. Box in the fireplace and put the tv built in above the fireplace opening, then I could bring my speakers in away from the walls and closer together. I think it will be a next winter project. Those are the 28's in the picture. The room cannot be rotated opposite the fireplace is a railing and staircase that goes to the kitchen that overlooks the AV room. Lack of wall space, not a ideal condition. The 28's are the Gloss Black, even though the layout and placement is not ideal the sound is still awesome, I am very happy with the 28's. Thanks for the suggestion.

John

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John - I am surprised that you were thinking along the same lines - I thought my comment would be a bit out there! Sounds like your wife is pretty awesome too if she is game with the idea.
Its a pretty deep room, the 28's really are a lovely thing to own and I am sure they do sound great along with the OM5's in the rear. I bet your kitchen sounds better than anybody else's within at least a mile or two!
Thanks for sharing the pics, its always interesting to see other people's rooms/layouts. If there are any audiophile architects out there I think they should get on the forums and promote their services since very few homes have an audio friendly room!

I knew from the start the room was not ideal, but you have to work with what you got. I want to move the OMD5's forward, because I have two OMDR's I want to use. If you look at the rear pic. I am using one OMDR in the center below the railing. I want to use both of them and get them up higher. We need to get more people to put up some pic's of their rooms, sometimes it could help others with ideas. You know a picture is worth a thousand words, I heard that before anyway.:cool:

Thanks
John

It's been a long time coming but as I sit here and type this, my 5.1 Mirage setup is filling my living room HT with ample sound. After breaking them in, I plan to send these OMD5's into overdrive with some Blu-Ray rentals as well as some tried and true personally owned discs.

I must say what a fiasco this has been. My den HT (Klipsch) went much smoother than this.

First, I had a couple of issues with mounting these suckers on my walls. I finally opted for the Mirage Macromont after getting confirmation they were compatible with the OMD's. The front L/C/R mounts went up fine but the surrounds mount on an exterior wall. There wasn't much of a void between the drywall, foam insulation and concrete block. Let's just say I skinned up my knuckles and used some good ol' fashioned ingenuity getting them set up.

Second, my Onkyo AVR I bought on sale over a year ago was DOA when I hooked everything up. Felt like I had just been punched in the gut. It was my fault letting it sit all this time but this HT has been a work in progress.

At any rate, so far I'm pleased. I've been watching a few Sunday night shows in HD and, even though the sound is low, I like what I'm hearing! Every now and again the new Terminator trailer comes on during a commercial break and I swear it sounds as good as if I was in the movie theater. And the volume isn't even up.

I picked up a Pioneer VSX-819H AVR to get me up and running. I've got a PS3 connected via HDMI and I'm running optical out from my 50" Pioneer KURO for the digital channels I get in HD (basic cable). I just got an SVS SB12-Plus for my LFE.

Once I get everything broke in and then dialed in, I should be quite content. At least until upgraditis sets in :eek:.

I'll post some pics of my set up when I can.

Congrats, sounds like a great setup. Can't wait to see some pic's.

John

hatchet,

congrats! put on some music and switch you receiver pl2 and pepare to be impressed.

Well I finally have the 15s sitting in my living room after fedex delivered and they look great. Packaging from Vanns was pretty good while most importantly speakers themselves were in perfect condition. First impression...wow these look alot bigger amd more impressive in my house than when I saw them in the store.

The unpacking gloves were a cool touch and did help to get a nice grip when moving them around.

Now the fact that currently I only have one AVR which is currently hooked up to my Nano's is really killing me. I was thinking that I would wait a bit to hook up the 15s and the 5s in my basement after deciding on the AVR vs. separates route but now I can practically hear them telling me to feed them some power. I'll give my impressions when I eventually hook them up.

Tim