Calling for Boltjames. We are all waiting for the info you promised :)

I'll be having my 46" X series installed 4/9. I'm in Tokyo, and . . . Anyways, will let you all know how it is!
We are still anxiously awaiting word!
Byrne

The only guy at the local CC who seemed to have any kind of a clue said he's been told to expect delivery of the X series in August.

any news/impressions from Boltjames or bpedit??

http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/print/6542

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/sony_adds_live_color_creation_to_bravia_lcd_tvs.php

http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/print/6542

thats some real old news from the sony show. i guess we are all waiting on Boltjames for anything new.

any news/impressions from Boltjames or bpedit??
Hey, I'm in the dark as much as anyone here. (If I know any more, it's due to checking the UK AV Forum as well.)

But since we're all dying for news on the 1080 Sonys but there is currently a dearth, let's speculate on why Msaines has not followed up on his promise to post regarding installation of his 46" X series Bravia.
• He was just tormenting us and actually only owns a 17" Trinitron from 1978 (without remote control).
• Sony hasn't delivered yet due to _______
• Msaines is so completely taken away with his new set that forum posting hasn't even crossed his mind.

Well, that's my mindless bandwidth wasting contribution to keeping this thread alive until we actually get some action.

For those of you starving for information, innuendo and rumor (and don't already know of this); here are some "new Bravia" threads on the UK site:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=328368
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=322420
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308636

Byrne

So, they will now use their new BRAVIA Engine on all of the 2nd Gen models (except for the U-series budget line???). Is this correct?

And from what I'm reading, all of the X series models would get an enhanced version called BRAVIA ENGINE EX.

Wow, and this is all in time for the 2006 Fifa World Cup in Germany...

. . .Wow, and this is all in time for the 2006 Fifa World Cup in Germany...
I'm not too confident in that. Although some "sources" have said June, it seems more like August for the X-series (from gleaning posts and sites).

Byrne

what kind of sginal will the X series accept? 1080p?

Yes, 1080p. :)

Yes, 1080p. :)

Sweet :D

I was looking @ http://www.sonyproductinformatie.nl/200601s1/nl/detail.php?product=KDL46X2000
and for some reason it did not state 1080p. I guess it must be a typo.

There seems to be some sources and literature that pose the X-series as 1080i but the original press release (Europe) and other info promise 1080p. Most folks believe the 1080i reference is a typo.

Byrne

Ok I found a Japanese site that lists some info for the panels. ... Under HDMI

http://www.faq.sonydrive.jp/faq/1040/app/servlet/qadoc?015975


babelfish engrish translation:

It connects to the HDMI output terminal of the DVD player and the AV amplifier. The digital image aural signal is input.
The image signal which is corresponding:525i (480i), 525p (480p), 1125i (1080i), 750p (720p), 1125p (1080p)
The aural signal which is corresponding:Linear PCM 32kHz and 44.1 k Hz, 48kHz

Not being a soccer fan, the "before the World Cup" timeline doesn't say much. I haven't heard anyone talking about the possible 52". Would that be a V or an X series? If it's not really in the pipeline, I just need to figure out the V vs. the X in the 46".

Ok I found a Japanese site that lists some info for the panels. ... Under HDMI

http://www.faq.sonydrive.jp/faq/1040/app/servlet/qadoc?015975


babelfish engrish translation:

that hdmi is a older version then what we are going to get in our X series.

Not being a soccer fan, the "before the World Cup" timeline doesn't say much. I haven't heard anyone talking about the possible 52". Would that be a V or an X series? If it's not really in the pipeline, I just need to figure out the V vs. the X in the 46".

the 52" is a X series. the x series is the top of the line model.

Calling Boltjames! Any news?

The V is 1080i native. 1:1 pixel mapping, no conversion whatsoever for 1080i signal. The 1080p signal is a different story- it gets converted down to 1080i and then back up to p again. Releases in September. $500 more than the S.

The X is 1080p native. 1:1 pixel mapping. No p conversions necessary. Releases late August or early September. $500 more than the V.

For a 720p signal, the S, V, and X are all the same quality- processing/scaling the same. Does not scale 720 down to 540; just scales 720 up.

So the S gives you an entry into the LCD arena, the V gets you 2 million pixels and native 1080i with BluRay compatibility (albeit with a loss of quality due to processing), and the X is for the 1080p afficianado.

BJ

The V is 1080i native. 1:1 pixel mapping, no conversion whatsoever for 1080i signal. The 1080p signal is a different story- it gets converted down to 1080i and then back up to p again. Releases in September. $500 more than the S.

Something here isn't correct. A fixed pixel display cannot be 1080i native. They simply don't work that way.

so were looking at the 46" x series to cost $5,000 and to come out in Q3 of this year. what about the 40 and 52 inch versions. the dates and price for the 46" x series sound right, a good reason because sony blu-ray will be out mid august and last year the sony xbr's came out in Q3 also. more waiting :(

The X is 1080p native. 1:1 pixel mapping. No p conversions necessary. Releases late August or early September. $500 more than the V.


*slow motion* NOOOOoooooo

bummer.

So what are we talking about $5000 for 46-inch X?

Will there be any 1080p plasmas in that time frame anywhere around that price?

If the 46 X is only $500 more, I'll skip the V until I can see both. If October or November is the real release date for the 52", I'll cry and whine, but wait if it's within $1000 of the 46". (and hope for a looong SED delay) My poor $2500 original budget...

Does anyone know if there will be a V series in the USA and if the XBR will come out before the World Cup?

In case anyone was wondering when the 46" S2000 was shipping, Sony called me today and let me know my order was shipping today.

Now if I could only find an affordable way to secure this in a corner.

Good watching,

Mac

I was in Boca Raton today so I went to the Sony Style store to try to get some information about the X Series. The, uh, concierge had no idea what I was talking about. I wasn't surprised, just incredulous that a company like Sony can have such poorly informed employees when it comes to their own products.

I was in Boca Raton today so I went to the Sony Style store to try to get some information about the X Series. The, uh, concierge had no idea what I was talking about. I wasn't surprised, just incredulous that a company like Sony can have such poorly informed employees when it comes to their own products.

talking to someone at the sony store will get you the same info if you talked to bestbuy. if you are not a buyer for a local high end av store or go to sony's shows you will get no info about a product that sony hasn't even released anything about except for some 1080p tvs are coming out 2nd half of this year.

i have a great history with the store i go to and they have about 3 buyers going to shows and checking up on new products every day. i have not gone to the store yet since i don't need anything. maybe in a few weeks i will check out a hd-dvd set up if im the neighborhood. until then we have enough info to keep us going till we get some info this summer.

I just found out! :D There's no ETA or price but I will know the price within three weeks and the delivery should be in about two month. I was told the model number is KDL-V46XBR1 and that it is on back order - it has been pre-ordered for dealers, and the stock is currently sold out. Anyway, I wouldn't want to get the very first ones.
I am not sure about the model number. I think the SONY regional manager (the guy I am dealing with, not a dealer) is deliberately misleading me regarding the model number. You see what you guys have done to me! You have made me paranoid with all your crazy threads! :)
Anyway, I was hoping you guys could help me out! Do you have any more solid information regarding the new SONY XBR LCD TV? Is it for sure a 1080p? 2HDMI supporting Blue-Ray DVD players? Contrast ratio? Response time, 2ms? 40" or 46" or both? LED??? USB? ... :confused:

the model number you have posted is not real. the V series 46" is kdl-v46xbr2 or kdl-46v2000 768p model.

the model i think your looking for is the X series 40,46 and 52". the model number for the 46" kdl-46xbr2 1080p

I've already seen the 46" Sony S2000 at Sony Style on L.I. To my eyes it basically looked like the same picture quality of the other recent Sony LCDs, just bigger. Very nice picture, but the blacks were still an issue.

I've already seen the 46" Sony S2000 at Sony Style on L.I. To my eyes it basically looked like the same picture quality of the other recent Sony LCDs, just bigger. Very nice picture, but the blacks were still an issue.


Well hopefully the X series will be a whole different animal. that is what i am interested in.

checking up on the support web site i found this
KDL-40V2000
KDL-46V2000

these are new from the last time i checked i guess this is the new model number for the V series with new live color creation. the old number was kdl-v46xbr2. i guess they don't want to confuse people when the X series comes out with XBR2 as a part number.

what i don't get is why are both still listed because they both should be the new version of the V series. someone has forgot to delete the old numbers i guess.

heres a link to the kdl-46v2000
http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/model-home.pl?mdl=KDL46V2000&region_id=1

checking up on the support web site i found this
KDL-40V2000
KDL-46V2000

these are new from the last time i checked i guess this is the new model number for the V series with new live color creation. the old number was kdl-v46xbr2. i guess they don't want to confuse people when the X series comes out with XBR2 as a part number.

what i don't get is why are both still listed because they both should be the new version of the V series. someone has forgot to delete the old numbers i guess.



The v series in japan have the same model number KDL-**V2000(will be released in May). What interesting is it seems the 32-46 S2000 were released in japan on April 11 (later than us market).

All I want is a 32" with WGCL and the Bravia engine. Is that so much to ask? And I don't want to wait until 2007.

All I want is a 32" with WGCL and the Bravia engine. Is that so much to ask? And I don't want to wait until 2007.
Rupert,
No, it's not too much to ask. But since this is the 46" thread, you may not get too much sympathy here :)


To others,
I'm seeing European ETA's for the 46" X for April (ha, ha) and August (and some folks in threads quoting Sept). Nothing for the US. Anyone hear more about dates (with sources please)?

Byrne

All I want is a 32" with WGCL and the Bravia engine. Is that so much to ask? And I don't want to wait until 2007.
wgcl? do you mean WCG-CCFL. all the new ones are S-PVA 7th gen
you can get the s2000 series with the bravia engine or wait for the v2000 series 32" mabey Q3 release.

sony X series is a strong Q3 release!

I can't wait for the 46 x series, it looks to be an excellent display for a bright room with high usage, (tv left on for hours at a time, even without people in the room sometimes)

or wait for the v2000 series 32" mabey Q3 release.

I spoke to a sony rep at Fry's who said v2000 isn't coming to America. Can anyone verify this?

And is the XBR2 coming in a 32" size? The link to sony's help desk mentions only 40" and 46" models. Sorry to hijack this thread with my tiny screen desires.

yah i thought 32" wasn't coming either but it was worth a try. well the s2000 32" is it then. all others are 40" and beyond

in light of these 1080p sets comming out



would it be worth it if I could get a 40" XBR LCD 720p, for around 2700?

in light of these 1080p sets comming out



would it be worth it if I could get a 40" XBR LCD 720p, for around 2700?

yah if you got the 40v2000 for that price but not the current xbr's.

Rupert,
No, it's not too much to ask. But since this is the 46" thread, you may not get too much sympathy here :)


To others,
I'm seeing European ETA's for the 46" X for April (ha, ha) and August (and some folks in threads quoting Sept). Nothing for the US. Anyone hear more about dates (with sources please)?

Byrne

The 46 X will be released in mid-to-late August or early September.

Source: Sony Corporate

BJ

I spoke to a sony rep at Fry's who said v2000 isn't coming to America. Can anyone verify this?

And is the XBR2 coming in a 32" size? The link to sony's help desk mentions only 40" and 46" models. Sorry to hijack this thread with my tiny screen desires.

The V is very much coming to America. Have to wait until September unfortunately.

BJ

Can someone clarify this for me?

I'm getting the impression that the upcoming V series is basically the new and upgraded version of the XBR1s out now, except they'll be labelled V2000 or whatever. And that they are to be 720p.

The upcoming X series will be the new XBRs, XBR2, and will be 1080p...that I get.

...and both will have 40-inchers +.

Thanks!

yes you got it correct

v2000
40"
46"
mabey 32"

X series/xbr2
40"
46"
52"

yes you got it correct

v2000
40"
46"
mabey 32"

X series/xbr2
40"
46"
52"

Thanks! :cool:

The V is very much coming to America. Have to wait until September unfortunately.

BJ
Are you sure it will be that long before the V2000 rollout? Clearance pricing on the XBR models has begun and 5 months seems like a long clearance period.

Are you sure it will be that long before the V2000 rollout? Clearance pricing on the XBR models has begun and 5 months seems like a long clearance period.
im looking at Q3 release as the current xbr's were released then last year. just something to think about.

Can someone clarify this for me?

I'm getting the impression that the upcoming V series is basically the new and upgraded version of the XBR1s out now, except they'll be labelled V2000 or whatever. And that they are to be 720p.

The upcoming X series will be the new XBRs, XBR2, and will be 1080p...that I get.

...and both will have 40-inchers +.

Thanks!



I thought the 46 V series was to be 1080p aswell?
What did I miss guys?





The V is 1080i native. 1:1 pixel mapping, no conversion whatsoever for 1080i signal. The 1080p signal is a different story- it gets converted down to 1080i and then back up to p again. Releases in September. $500 more than the S.

The X is 1080p native. 1:1 pixel mapping. No p conversions necessary. Releases late August or early September. $500 more than the V.

For a 720p signal, the S, V, and X are all the same quality- processing/scaling the same. Does not scale 720 down to 540; just scales 720 up.

So the S gives you an entry into the LCD arena, the V gets you 2 million pixels and native 1080i with BluRay compatibility (albeit with a loss of quality due to processing), and the X is for the 1080p afficianado.

BJ

I thought the 46 V series was to be 1080p aswell?
What did I miss guys?

The 46 X series is 'native' 1080p. No processing or conversion needed.

The 46 V series is 'compatible' 1080p. Converts to 1080i and then to 1080p.

So....for me, I'm not expeciting too much native 1080p content so I'm going to go for the V series. Save a few dollars and be happy with my first large panel native 1080i screen. When I get a BluRay or other p content, the V will display it very nicely. Not perfectly like the X, but good enough.

For others, they're drooling over the 1080p nativity of the X and the "XBR" logo.

BJ

Are you sure it will be that long before the V2000 rollout? Clearance pricing on the XBR models has begun and 5 months seems like a long clearance period.

XBR clearance makes sense seeing that the X is being released before the V. The X is the XBR replacment (August), the V is a new tweener (September). Not a budget S and not a high-end X. In the middle for those that want 1080i native and want the ability to use 1080p in a few years time.

BJ

im looking at Q3 release as the current xbr's were released then last year. just something to think about.

But I thought last year SxxA10 was released relatively later than this year's S2000 as well?

The 46 V series is 'compatible' 1080p. Converts to 1080i and then to 1080p.

i have seen another tv maybe panasonic or hitachi that has native 768p but accepts 1080p threw hdmi. i know all the v2000's are 768p native at least in japan and europe, why would the us get something special.

i have seen another tv maybe panasonic or hitachi that has native 768p but accepts 1080p threw hdmi. i know all the v2000's are 768p native at least in japan and europe, why would the us get something special.

I do not know why, but I was told three times by three different quality sources that the V is native 1080i.

They do not have a sample of this panel yet; therefore I believe it will indeed be a different product than the Asian/Euro model.

It does make a lot of sense to have a tweener that is neither 768p or 1080p; 1080i would be the smart move in a good/better/best strategy.

BJ

thought i would show this to everyone

at e3 in the playstation 3 booth they have 5 or more japan version sony x series running 1080p threw hdmi.
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/news/05/10/booth_sony_2_screen005.jpg
http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/news/05/10/booth_sony_2_screen005.jpg

Woah totally missed that... ( I was too busy being thoroughly disapointed by the new Gundam game).

I'll have to check them out tomorrow, thanks for the heads up!

Nice find MUGEN!
Is it just me or do they have some serious depth to them -Probably just the angle. Any 46 V series floating around the show floor? I don't know what it is but I still prefer its esthetics’ over the X's


http://www.digitaltechnews.com/photos/uncategorized/sony_bravia_v_tv.jpg

I looked at the back of that display at the show. It's the KDL-40X1000. Just wanted to make sure their 1080p demo was actually running on a set capable of that resolution. They also had some fighting game running at 1080p on the same set. Looked pretty good if you don't mind the motion blur inherent to all LCD.

Actually I just realized... those are the old X's huh. The one's that have been out in Japan for some time now (at least they were out in japan when I was there in November).

I'll still check them out tomorrow.

Hey speaking of motion blur... does it make sense that LCD based rear projection TV's don't have "motion blut inherent to all LCD"? Doesn't seem to make sense to me, but some friends insist that this is the case?

I do not know why, but I was told three times by three different quality sources that the V is native 1080i.

They do not have a sample of this panel yet; therefore I believe it will indeed be a different product than the Asian/Euro model.

It does make a lot of sense to have a tweener that is neither 768p or 1080p; 1080i would be the smart move in a good/better/best strategy.

BJ
boltjames,

I don't dispute what you were told but FYI there is no such thing as a native 1080i flat-panel display. ALL flat-panel displays (ALL plasmas, LCDs, etc) are Progressive by nature. That's the way the technology works. The only displays that are native Interlaced are CRTs.

The native rate of the panel will be either 768p or 1080p. I suspect what he actually meant was that the V-series displays can accept a 1080i input via HDMI but that they will not be able to accept a 1080p input.

I don't see any speakers? Could someone confirm wheather the new X series will have speakers or not? :confused:

I don't see any speakers? Could someone confirm wheather the new X series will have speakers or not? :confused:
they are on the sides of the tv, go threw the pages on this thread for a super high res pic of the newer x series.

I looked at the back of that display at the show. It's the KDL-40X1000. Just wanted to make sure their 1080p demo was actually running on a set capable of that resolution. They also had some fighting game running at 1080p on the same set. Looked pretty good if you don't mind the motion blur inherent to all LCD.

I didn't really notice much in the way of motion blur while watching GT today.

Its obviously just a stab at LCds made by a jealous Plasma owner :)

boltjames,

I don't dispute what you were told but FYI there is no such thing as a native 1080i flat-panel display. ALL flat-panel displays (ALL plasmas, LCDs, etc) are Progressive by nature. That's the way the technology works. The only displays that are native Interlaced are CRTs.

The native rate of the panel will be either 768p or 1080p. I suspect what he actually meant was that the V-series displays can accept a 1080i input via HDMI but that they will not be able to accept a 1080p input.

I'm far from an expert on panel resolution, so I might have written down what he told me incorrectly.

I am 100% certain that the V has a better panel with millions more pixels than the S and that it will allow a 1080p source to function on the set. I am also looking at a PDF of the spec sheet for the V that has 1080p references three or four times.

I'll try to get some clarity to this point next week.

BJ

Its obviously just a stab at LCds made by a jealous Plasma owner :)
I own neither a Plasma or a LCD and I have to totally agree that LVD's have poor response times. In fact, I will buy a 720P Plasma nayday over ANY current 1080P LCD.

I am also looking at a PDF of the spec sheet for the V that has 1080p references three or four times.Do you think you could upload it so we could have a look at it?

I'm far from an expert on panel resolution, so I might have written down what he told me incorrectly.

I am 100% certain that the V has a better panel with millions more pixels than the S and that it will allow a 1080p source to function on the set. I am also looking at a PDF of the spec sheet for the V that has 1080p references three or four times.

I'll try to get some clarity to this point next week.

BJ

Perhaps both panels are 1920x1080 but the V series processor only handles 1080i and everything is scaled to 1080i first then deinterlaced to 1080p for display. The XBR may have more compute power and everything is converted and processed in 1080p, and be able to pass through a 1080p signal natively.

I cant accept that sony would even sell a 1080p set that does not acept 1080p signal. Them being the company pusshing blu-ray and PS3 I doubt they would make such a blunder.

Perhaps both panels are 1920x1080 but the V series processor only handles 1080i and everything is scaled to 1080i first then deinterlaced to 1080p for display. The XBR may have more compute power and everything is converted and processed in 1080p, and be able to pass through a 1080p signal natively.

I believe that that's the answer. The V series is absolutely a 1920 x 1080 panel.

BJ

I cant accept that sony would even sell a 1080p set that does not acept 1080p signal. Them being the company pusshing blu-ray and PS3 I doubt they would make such a blunder.

While it makes little technical sense, it makes a lot of marketing sense.

It's like the days of an "HD ready" TV vs. one that has an "HD tuner". You can get more money for the one with the built-in feature.

The S isn't a 1080 panel.

The V is a 1080 panel with native 1080i engineering that's "1080p compatible".

The X is a 1080 panel with the purest of the pure 1080p-ready design.

$500 gets you from an S to a V. $500 more gets you from a V to an X. It's savvy marketing, and it's a 'story' for the BestBuy salesman to sink their teeth into.

BJ

But why would the US (and presumably NZ and Australia because we had a model similar to the US last time) have a separate model to Europe and Japan? I can understand them having different models for the US and Europe, but if the US V series is going to be slightly better then wouldn't Japan also have that model?

we just have to wait and see for all of these tvs, its all rumors and what he said she said for now.

Will these sets all have the "motion blur" mentioned above? Such as with sports (football, basketball, etc.) Because if so, then I can concentrate on looking elsewhere. I have been waiting with baited breath to see what these LCDs will show. But I don't want to watch sports and deal with the "blur" effect.

I didn't notice it when I was watching Gran Turismo at E3 a week ago.

Not sure if that would have been a great example to look for it though.

This was the Japanese 46" X series LCD (the one that has been out for some time now), so i don't know how representative it was of the upcoming X series LCD's

I didn't notice it when I was watching Gran Turismo at E3 a week ago.

Not sure if that would have been a great example to look for it though.

This was the Japanese 46" X series LCD (the one that has been out for some time now), so i don't know how representative it was of the upcoming X series LCD's

Thanks for the input on that. Anyone else seen motion blurring effects on the Sony LCDs watching sports action, such as NBA or NFL games?

I will be at Sony's facility in Mt. Pleasant, PA on Monday and Tuesday for meetings and will try to nail down better information regarding pricing and timing. The people I visit are more in the DVD area but usually are pretty up to speed on the new technologies.

I will be at Sony's facility in Mt. Pleasant, PA on Monday and Tuesday for meetings and will try to nail down better information regarding pricing and timing. The people I visit are more in the DVD area but usually are pretty up to speed on the new technologies.


Oh good. And please get some info on the 52" model.

I really have to buy a tv before Sept 1st, do you guys think the V or the X will come out before then, because if not I will be be buying the S series. Oooh and I will be buying the 46".

Thanks

i've got some good news i guess, for the UK anyway. the 46" will be shipping mid june in europe.

i also found a manual for the tv in english, don't believe everything you see in it

http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2678257111.pdf

a few pictures they are small though

http://shop.sonystyle-europe.com/catalog/44/446C5F5F2D80005D000000002BC29B85.swf

i've got some good news i guess, for the UK anyway. the 46" will be shipping mid june in europe.

i also found a manual for the tv in english, don't believe everything you see in it

http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2678257111.pdf

a few pictures they are small though

http://shop.sonystyle-europe.com/catalog/44/446C5F5F2D80005D000000002BC29B85.swf
Yap sure looks awsome I hpe we get it in the US about the same time.

32" XBR when? And it's $2499?

32" XBR when? And it's $2499?
the only new 32" xbr is the v2000 series, will it come to the US wait and see.

I thought there was X > V > S. Ideally, I'm interested in the top version (which would be the X). Anything about that?

I thought there was X > V > S. Ideally, I'm interested in the top version (which would be the X). Anything about that?
we can only hope

I thought there was X > V > S. Ideally, I'm interested in the top version (which would be the X). Anything about that?
i have no idea how many times i have said this in this thread but ill make a nice chart for you :p

x series 1080p
52
46
40

v2000 series 768p or 1080p with some wacky upconversion mabey :D
46
40

32 so far only in japan and europe no word on us release

i have no idea how many times i have said this in this thread but ill make a nice chart for you :p

x series 1080p
52
46
40

v2000 series 768p or 1080p with some wacky upconversion mabey :D
46
40

32 so far only in japan and europe no word on us release
What about the 46" in US, do we have any idea when they might come out.

Whats with companies moving away from the 32"? Technology increases != space increases.

What about the 46" in US, do we have any idea when they might come out.
46" x series to released around the same time as the 46" v2000 series, in august/Q3

Whats with companies moving away from the 32"? Technology increases != space increases.

32" has no place in a living room, a 32" has no reason to have 1080p except for pc use.

a wild guess i have is that cutwolf doesn't want to spend to much on a new tv or you need a tv for a kitchen ;)

46" x series to released around the same time as the 46" v2000 series, in august/Q3



32" has no place in a living room, a 32" has no reason to have 1080p except for pc use.

a wild guess i have is that cutwolf doesn't want to spend to much on a new tv or you need a tv for a kitchen ;)


Apartment bedroom only 9'x11'. 32-37" is my ideal range and I'm a hardcore gamer, so plasma is risky.

This is where I'll be living, to get an idea of my apartment bedroom size (http://appl003.lsu.edu/slas/reslifeweb.nsf/$Content/East+Campus+Apartments)

Click ECA Virtual Tour > Bedroom > 360 Tour. The TV will likely hang on the wall above the computer desk, next to the window. I may move the bed and things around and hang the TV on the wall over the bed. We'll see how that goes.

32" has no place in a living room

Depends on the size of the living room...32" is like a bigscreen to people who watch letterbox on a 27" crt

a 32" has less reason to have 1080p except for pc use.

fix'd

this thread is getting way to off topic :eek: ill help cutwolf threw pms on his room's ideal tv :o

after skimming threw the manual i found a few bad things :mad:

- pc input max is 1360x760
i hope the us model has 1920x1080 like the japan model did because i will be using a pc a lot with this tv, i hope hdmi input will work for the pc :eek:

-TABLE TOP STAND IS EXTRA :eek:
the table top stand is now shown in supplied accessories it is listed as a option. i remember the qualia 005's table top stand was $500 but the tv weighted a lot more than these models and had the QUALIA name on it :o and it took almost a week to get it after the tv was already in the store.

-no xmb(cross media bar menus)
this japan only feature im guessing will stay in japan :mad:

lli add some more things as i read more of it

i have no idea how many times i have said this in this thread but ill make a nice chart for you :p

x series 1080p
52
46
40

v2000 series 768p or 1080p with some wacky upconversion mabey :D
46
40

32 so far only in japan and europe no word on us release

Same question somewhat:

What about the 52" in US, do we have any idea when they might come out.

after skimming threw the manual i found a few bad things :mad:

- pc input max is 1360x760
i hope the us model has 1920x1080 like the japan model did because i will be using a pc a lot with this tv, i hope hdmi input will work for the pc :eek:

But on a positive note, the manual states that it will acccept a 1080P input via HDMI :)

Same question somewhat:

What about the 52" in US, do we have any idea when they might come out.
all of those tv's have a august/q3 release, we have to wait for exact dates though.

1080p threw hdmi, i already knew for a fact this tv will do that but that pc input is still up in the air until we get more info on the US version.

46" x series to released around the same time as the 46" v2000 series, in august/Q3

Saw the 46" S2000 at the Sony store in Dallas. I assume they had them in stock, but didn't ask.

pricing!

Here are the models (I didn't see a 26 or 32" XBR2 or V series)


KDL40XBR2 40" BRAVIA™ LCD TV
KDL46XBR2 46" BRAVIA™ LCD
KDL52XBR2 52" BRAVIA™ LCD HDTV

KDL-40V2000
KDL-46V2000

KDL-26S2000
KDL-32S2000
KDL-40S2000
KDL-46S2000

The V series model links have pictures and it looks like the 2006 Bravia model shown on sony uk and jp site with the different stand and slimmer cabnet. I also noted a different remote control on the jp site. I compared specs and the V series is slimmer than the XBR1. The V series shows more screen size than XBR1 also and is 1kg lighter. I'm sure there are other differences like the upgraded color, response time, etc.

Source
http://sonydb.isomedia.com/perl/select-system.pl?PRODTYPE=36&NAVDISP=tv

I found a UK site that lists the XBR2 as UK models KDL52X2000U, KDL46X2000U, and KDL40X2000U. They are all 1920x1080P with 2 HDMI ports. From the JP(japan) site the X series has dual tuners and the ability it looks like to connect to the internet though I don't know if this will exist in the US. There is also better sound than the V and S series with some new 3D like sound.

See the Sony Japan site also:
http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/bravia/

They list only the X series in 40 and 46". The V series 32, 40, and 46", the S series in 20, 23, 26, 32, 40, and 46"

Now I'm confused again. Is the "XBR2" the model we've been referring to as the "X series"?

Thanks.

If you look at JP and UK, they have different model numbers than we do. They don't even use XBR as a model designation, only we do. So It would be a sure bet judging from the sony web site source I found clearly outlining XBR2 that the US X-series model will be XBR2.

Now I'm confused again. Is the "XBR2" the model we've been referring to as the "X series"?

Thanks.

that’s all really old news, sorry to say it ;)

un-officially the X series called xbr2 here

If X series receive 1080p via HDMI,
does that mean that the media will be shown as HD?

For example, will the DVD movie played by computer drive be HD quality by using HDMI-out?

Where did I see anyone post official US model numbers of the XBR2? Nowhere. So sorry to say this is new information.

that’s all really old news, sorry to say it ;)

un-officially the X series called xbr2 here

Any idea of the MSRP and North American launch of the KDL40XBR2?

If you go to bestbuy.com I noticed that you can not order the XBR1 online. Not sure if it has always been this way or a recent change that may signal the new units showing up anytime soon. You can still buy the XBR1 in the store.

Any idea of the MSRP and North American launch of the KDL40XBR2?

Where did I see anyone post official US model numbers of the XBR2? Nowhere. So sorry to say this is new information.
mabey its new to you but i posted the same info a few pages back, you posting it again can't hurt.

Any idea of the MSRP and North American launch of the KDL40XBR2?
im going to say $3,799-4,000 msrp

if anyone is thinking about the 52" expect $6,000+

Not sure if we are allowed to post links here but I found a site that's taking pre orders [EDIT]

i found that site and the prices are no where near msrp

I see that now, your post had KDL-40XBR2 and I put KDL40XBR2 which came from the support site with no "-" dash. So It didn't come up as a hit on a search, my bad. :o


They did update the V series model numbers which differs from your original post which is new information :D

KDL-40V2000
KDL-46V2000

"and these 2 models must be the new version of the V series with live color creation and bravia engine, both of these models have 1 hdmi as shown on the japan site.

KDL-V40XBR2
KDL-V46XBR2 "


mabey its new to you but i posted the same info a few pages back, you posting it again can't hurt.


im going to say $3,799-4,000 msrp

if anyone is thinking about the 52" expect $6,000+

And we're talking August for the XBR2s?

Cutwolf: nobody knows yet.

No 1080p through VGA? is this confirmed? If so it's probably a deal-breaker for me. If the new Westy accepts 1080p across 6 inputs, then there's no reason why an LCD twice as much can't.

The Sony and Samsung should be pretty much the same. They will both use panels built on the same line at the joint Samsung\Sony LCD plant in Korea. Sony is calling these S-panels.
This isn't true. Both brands of TV work from S-LCD panels but everything else is different: chips, backlight, picture processing. Trust me, I've compared 2005 and 2006 Samsung vs Sony LCDs - the Sonys are miles ahead.

I'm curious to see what Sony of America have in store for the new XBR line (if they plan to update it at all?).

http://www.lyris-lite.net/img/32v/firstpic.jpg

For the record, you guys might be interested to know that I've bought the KDL-32V2000. This is the new 32" V Series model with Live Colour Creation and BRAVIA Engine. You can read my review of it here: http://www.lyris-lite.net/kdl32v2000_review.html - ignore the stuff about poor Connectivity, on the US model that shouldn't be a problem.

You should also understand the different "series" that Sony works on.

U-Series: the bottom of the line range - no frills. In Britain, this has been designed to be sold to supermarkets, although AV stores might stock them. 1366x768.

S-Series: affordable, now includes BRAVIA Engine picture enhancement. 1366x768.

V-Series: one step up - has the new Live Colour Creation processing and special backlighting. 1366x768.

X-Series: top of the range, 1080p, floating glass design. 1920x1080.

That's for Europe and Japan - it's possible that Sony USA could give you a V-Series model with 1080p, but it's probably going to be limited to the X-Series.

My review also has pictures of the TV in action so should give you some idea of what to expect.

No 1080p through VGA? is this confirmed? If so it's probably a deal-breaker for me. If the new Westy accepts 1080p across 6 inputs, then there's no reason why an LCD twice as much can't.
i added "don't believe everything you see in it" when i did post the manual. we have to see what the samsung 96 series gets, if it has this feature then we have a better chance of the X series having it.

also the new westy's accept 1080p threw 4 inputs, 2dvi,1 hdmi, pc input. and will not come close to the picture quality and colors that the X series will do.

lyris thanks for that great info, I'm looking to buy a 46s2000 but I'm waiting for the V and X series to come out, I'm hoping it will be out before september

I demoed the Bravia 46" X1000 yesterday at a local AV shop in Taipei and was kinda disappointed with its performance. I demoed the unit via Japanese HD content off BS satellite. PQ on the unit is pretty good, but black is not as "black" as the plasma units that I have....however, it's "black" enough for me to live with. However, I noticed major motion blur during fast moving actions. I was watching this HD clip where two eagles are nesting in the trees. When one of the eagles flapped its wings and took off, I can clearly see motion blurs around the wings.

The store owner told me that's the limitation of the LCD technology. He indicated that no matter how fast the refresh rate is, some people will always see motion blurs (don't know how true his statement is). Any how, I just don't see myself forking over $6K for a TV that blurs under fast moving actions (I am a big sports fan).

I am really disappointed....I really try to convince myself to like the unit since it's one of the few 1080P unit that I can afford. I guess I will just have to save more money for the upcoming Pioneer PDP-5000EX 1080P plasma...suppose to retail for close to $9K here in Asia....sigh :(

did you get the remote in your hands? until you do your review is useless to me. motion blur might not be the tv's fault when you are watching hd over satellite, i bet where the wings were flapping that part of the screen just squared up right?

Someone in the SED thread said Sharp panels are still better than the S-LCD panels used in the Bravias?

What are the counterpart models from Sharp expected in the same time as the Bravia XBR2s?

Someone in the SED thread said Sharp panels are still better than the S-LCD panels used in the Bravias?

What are the counterpart models from Sharp expected in the same time as the Bravia XBR2s?
sharp is lagging behind in picture quality with sony/samsung in the lead. i will never look at sharp for tv's again because of my horrible experience with their cheaply made products.

sharp is lagging behind in picture quality with sony/samsung in the lead. i will never look at sharp for tv's again because of my horrible experience with their cheaply made products.
People always complain about something like this. I went to the store and looked at the 46S2000 and it looked awsome. To the average consumer things like that are not noticable at all.

did you get the remote in your hands? until you do your review is useless to me. motion blur might not be the tv's fault when you are watching hd over satellite, i bet where the wings were flapping that part of the screen just squared up right?

Hmm...not sure I understand how having the remote in my hands would affect my review.

You might be right about HD over satellite, but everything look pretty good without blurs (Japanese drama looked awesome on the unit) until we hitthe fast actions. The part of the wing not only squared up, but also created this ghosting effect. I will try to go see it again this weekend....hopefully you are right about the satellite feed since I really am trying to convince myself to buy it...haha.

Hmm...not sure I understand how having the remote in my hands would affect my review.

You might be right about HD over satellite, but everything look pretty good without blurs (Japanese drama looked awesome on the unit) until we hitthe fast actions. The part of the wing not only squared up, but also created this ghosting effect. I will try to go see it again this weekend....hopefully you are right about the satellite feed since I really am trying to convince myself to buy it...haha.
what i meant by having the remote is you couldn't see how the tv was set up, did they just slap it up there and turn it on, which most stores do. this way you can adjust the tv to your liking in the store and see what the tv really can do.

also see if they have a hd-dvd player laying around that you could hook up to the tv, this way you can see real hd with out that motion blur.

I demoed the Bravia 46" X1000 yesterday at a local AV shop in Taipei. . .
Whats the relationship between this 46X1000 and the expected 46X2000?

Byrne

BPedit, I *could* be wrong here but I think the 46X1000 is the first X-Series model only released in Japan. The first X-Series we see in the West will be the 46X2000. By comparison, last years' Japanese V-Series (what Sony USA called "XBR") are now called "V1000" by Sony Japan, whereas the updated models - like the one I have - are "V2000".

BTW, I thought you might appreciate some picture of DVDs running on my European KDL-32V2000 - that's the mid-range, 1366x768 black and silver model. I love it. Here's Monsters Inc (UK PAL DVD) upscaled to 720p on a Panasonic DVD-S97. The new Live Colour Creation system (which I think is a combination of the WCG-CCFL backlight, a backlight colour filter, and also some processing done via software) works wonders. It doesn't show in these pictures, but in real life the colours aren't quite as vivid looking as this (unless you want them to be) - they're more deep and natural. For example, Mike's skin looks exactly like a green apple. My camera can't capture the colour properly.

There's more shots of other sources, including GameCube, Xbox, and Digital TV (standard def PAL) over at my site: http://www.lyris-lite.net/kdl32v2000_review5b.html

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/IMG_2037.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/IMG_2028.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/IMG_2035.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/IMG_2032.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/IMG_2030.jpg

Are those faint vertical lines on the set 'banding'?

lyris: could you take some shots of live-action DVD footage? Something with difficult-to-render dark/contrasty scenes would be nice.

Yep, the faint vertical lines are just the camera picking up the screen structure. They're not visible usually. Any requests for live action DVDs? I'll get some nice pictures of something that isn't filtered like Se7en or The Rock.

Se7en (USA NTSC version, New Line Platinum Series anamorphic version)

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/seven2.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/seven3.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/seven1.jpg

what i meant by having the remote is you couldn't see how the tv was set up, did they just slap it up there and turn it on, which most stores do. this way you can adjust the tv to your liking in the store and see what the tv really can do.

also see if they have a hd-dvd player laying around that you could hook up to the tv, this way you can see real hd with out that motion blur.

Mugen, thanks for the suggestions, I will return to the store this weekend to check it out again. Hopefully they will have a HD-DVD player on hand. I will report back, cheers.

Well now I'm really excited about the X and the V series LCD's. Does anyone know when we will start seeing these in the US.

Well now I'm really excited about the X and the V series LCD's. Does anyone know when we will start seeing these in the US.

If your interested in the V series...

Maybe Lyris can shed some light as to the similarities and differences between today's 40XBR1's and the upcoming V series.

Se7en (USA NTSC version, New Line Platinum Series anamorphic version)

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/seven2.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/seven3.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f383/lyris1/seven1.jpg

Shot of the gun barrel pressed to Pitt's temple looks fantastic.

Yeah, there's more detail in the black areas on the actual TV. I had to set my camera exposure low to get a good picture and I might have overdone it - it's a fantastic TV, trust me.

If your interested in the V series...

Maybe Lyris can shed some light as to the similarities and differences between today's 40XBR1's and the upcoming V series.
I think the only real difference is the Live Colour Creation stuff. On the American model, if Sony chooses to release an updated V Series in the USA, they might end up giving it 2 HDMI inputs for example (the USA's ahead of Europe when it comes to connectivity).

Also the other difference is that the new TVs use BRAVIA ENGINE instead of WEGA ENGINE. WEGA ENGINE was designed originally for CRT TVs and was "ported over" to the older Sony LCDs. BRAVIA ENGINE on the other hand was made especially for LCD TVs.

I'm not sure how much of this change is marketing, but I can tell you that MPEG-2 digital TV channels look a lot better on my new 32" BRAVIA ENGINE set than they did on my old 26" WEGA ENGINE one.

Yeah, there's more detail in the black areas on the actual TV. I had to set my camera exposure low to get a good picture and I might have overdone it - it's a fantastic TV, trust me.


I think the only real difference is the Live Colour Creation stuff. On the American model, if Sony chooses to release an updated V Series in the USA, they might end up giving it 2 HDMI inputs for example (the USA's ahead of Europe when it comes to connectivity).

Also the other difference is that the new TVs use BRAVIA ENGINE instead of WEGA ENGINE. WEGA ENGINE was designed originally for CRT TVs and was "ported over" to the older Sony LCDs. BRAVIA ENGINE on the other hand was made especially for LCD TVs.

I'm not sure how much of this change is marketing, but I can tell you that MPEG-2 digital TV channels look a lot better on my new 32" BRAVIA ENGINE set than they did on my old 26" WEGA ENGINE one.

Good information! Question... How could I determine if my 40XBR1 which was manufactured in March of this year, is utilizing the Bravia or Wega Engine? Not concerned about having two HDMI... since I am utilizing the cable card port for improved PQ. Look forward to your reply!

All KDL-40XBR1 will be WEGA ENGINE. BRAVIA ENGINE is a whole new chip/board, so if Sony were going to drop it in, I'd imagine they'd change the model number to reflect it. Your TV's box will probably have WEGA ENGINE on it.

Good information! Question... How could I determine if my 40XBR1 which was manufactured in March of this year, is utilizing the Bravia or Wega Engine? Not concerned about having two HDMI... since I am utilizing the cable card port for improved PQ. Look forward to your reply!

The S series Sony tv's use teh Bravia engine, the xbr used the Wega engine. If you go to Sony website it will tell you which engine each tv is using.

The S series Sony tv's use teh Bravia engine, the xbr used the Wega engine. If you go to Sony website it will tell you which engine each tv is using.

I'm already aware of this, but sometimes in manufacturing... improvments are made without the consumers knowledge. Since the panel I have was manufactured in March of this year, it is feasable that the last units produced may have alreadly 'changed over' some of the internal components. I'm curious if there is someway of 'checking' what is actually inside my panel.

I'm already aware of this, but sometimes in manufacturing... improvments are made without the consumers knowledge. Since the panel I have was manufactured in March of this year, it is feasable that the last units produced may have alreadly 'changed over' some of the internal components. I'm curious if there is someway of 'checking' what is actually inside my panel.
Sorry to break it to you but you have the WEGA engine, there have been ZERO reports that any current XBR's have the BRAVIA engine. This is not like a little change they would just include. Thats the reason they make new models so people can buy a different thing.

Sorry to break it to you but you have the WEGA engine, there have been ZERO reports that any current XBR's have the BRAVIA engine. This is not like a little change they would just include. Thats the reason they make new models so people can buy a different thing.

No apologies necessary :rolleyes: Still have 6 days before final decision as to keep or return. Even being a WEGA engine, I will be hard pressed as to find an excuse to want to return this panel. :)

No apologies necessary :rolleyes: Still have 6 days before final decision as to keep or return. Even being a WEGA engine, I will be hard pressed as to find an excuse to want to return this panel. :)
I agree, its such a great pannel. The only thing that kept me from buying it is that fact that I want a 46" not a 40". Hey I do have a question for you, HOW is the standard definition on this pannel. I mean NOT analog but just regular digital cable or digital satalite.
THANKS

The S series Sony tv's use teh Bravia engine, the xbr used the Wega engine. If you go to Sony website it will tell you which engine each tv is using.

The NEW S Series (S2000) use BRAVIA Engine. The old ones used WEGA.

The new XBRs - if Sony USA issue any - will either use BRAVIA Engine (if they choose to include the V-Series as part of the XBR line) or BRAVIA Engine X (if they choose to call the X-Series XBR).

BRAVIA Engine X is as far as I know, a better version used in Sony's new 1080p screens.

The new XBRs - if Sony USA issue any -

If they don't there are going to be a lot of disappointed people....Many of whom will buy another brand.

I can't wait anymore, I wish sony at least announced a release date for these panels in the US.

I'm wanting the 52", but the freakin SED stuff may be here before then...

I'm wanting the 52", but the freakin SED stuff may be here before then...
I'm sorry but whats SED?

I'm sorry but whats SED?
do a search :rolleyes: its not that long of a wait, i've been waiting since last september for these tv's

SED won't be here likely until 2008 at the earliest. SED is a new display technology under development by Toshiba & Canon that alleges to offer a CRT quality image in a flat form factor.

For more info check out this monster thread....
Official SED, Info, Discussion, Etc Thread!!! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=491741)

Or here is a good article...
HDTVexpert: Standing in the Shadows (http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/sedtech.html)

SED won't be here likely until 2008 at the earliest. SED is a new display technology under development by Toshiba & Canon that alleges to offer a CRT quality image in a flat form factor.

For more info check out this monster thread....
Official SED, Info, Discussion, Etc Thread!!! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=491741)

Or here is a good article...
HDTVexpert: Standing in the Shadows (http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/sedtech.html)
Thanks and yes I don't think it will be soon, plus I wouldn't invest allot of money on a brand new technology unless its at least 1 year old. and more companies start making it. Thats when the competition starts and the tv start to improve.

i hope the X series has this, or japan will get this in a new tv this fall :mad: this could be hype for the X series that is about to release in europe also

SONY DEVELOPS NEW HIGH DEFINITION CREATION TECHNOLOGY "DRC-MFv2.5"
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200605/06-045E/index.html

Quote:
The big-screen LCD TV assortment this year features five 32W-inch models, one 37W-inch model, six 40W-inch models, three 46W-inch models, one 52W-inch model and one 57W-inch model.


I haven't heard of any 37" 1080P LCD's besides Sharp or Westinghouse. That would be awesome if Samsung or Sony would make 37"er's because alot of people think that 32" is too small and 40" will not fit in the space some of us have.Has anyone heard that Samsung or Sony will be producing any 37" 1080P LCD's in the next year or so???

i hope the X series has this, or japan will get this in a new tv this fall :mad: this could be hype for the X series that is about to release in europe also

SONY DEVELOPS NEW HIGH DEFINITION CREATION TECHNOLOGY "DRC-MFv2.5"
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200605/06-045E/index.html

Sounds promising. If I get an LCD by year's-end it's probably gonna be a Sony.

Quick anecdote for anybody who might be interested:

I had ChadB calibrate my XBR 960 two weeks ago, and we got on the subject of LCD calibration. The only LCD he had good things to say about are the Sony's. He said they calibrate pretty well and that they offer some of the best contrast ratios in the LCD class. He also said he calibrated one of those 45" Sharps and found that its contrast ratio was a mere 90:1! Now, I know that's an older model, and improvements are being made every quarter, but I thought that little nugget might raise some eyebrows.

Anyway .... here's hoping Sony gets us our 1080p LCDs by the summer and at a decent price.

a neat thing i found in the european X series manual was a option for logo illumination "lights up and turns off the sony logo on front tv"

I just got confirmation that my 46" XBR2 will be shipped to me late August. The MSRP is Canadian$5700. There is also a 52" for a such a crazy price that I do not even dare to post it!

The interesting news is that there will also be a XBR3 Pro in October. Does anybody have details on this XBR3? What is going on!?!?!?! LED???:confused: :mad:

I just got confirmation that my 46" XBR2 will be shipped to me late August. The MSRP is Canadian$5700. There is also a 52" for a such a crazy price that I do not even dare to post it!

The interesting news is that there will also be a XBR3 Pro in October. Does anybody have details on this XBR3? What is going on!?!?!?! LED???:confused: :mad:
i don't know how you could even order one, also the msrp is off by about $600. also it looks like this tv will not be included with a table top stand it is a option until we get more info on the us version.

nothing is known about a xbr3, the only ones we know of is the xbr2 and v2000 coming out august/q3

also post the msrp for the 52", after having a qualia 005 i think i can take it :p

The interesting news is that there will also be a XBR3 Pro in October. Does anybody have details on this XBR3? What is going on!?!?!?! LED???:confused: :mad:
Can you tell us more? Who told you about it?

Edit: a guy I talk to who's considering the X Series came up with a theory.

The XBR2 could well be the V-Series.
And the XBR3 might be the X-Series (1080p).

I just got confirmation that my 46" XBR2 will be shipped to me late August. The MSRP is Canadian$5700. There is also a 52" for a such a crazy price that I do not even dare to post it!

The interesting news is that there will also be a XBR3 Pro in October. Does anybody have details on this XBR3? What is going on!?!?!?! LED???:confused: :mad:
I don't know if I can wait till August or if I should just settle right now for the 46S2000

Can you tell us more? Who told you about it?

Edit: a guy I talk to who's considering the X Series came up with a theory.

The XBR2 could well be the V-Series.
And the XBR3 might be the X-Series (1080p).
at the sony support page this model's are listed
40, 46, kdl-52xbr2 (very sure these are the x series)
40, kdl-v46xbr2(the new V series)
40, kdl-46v2000(also the new V series but why 2 versions?)
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new DRC-mfv 2.5 presentation
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.watch.impress.co.jp%2fav%2fdocs%2f200 60601%2fsony1.htm

40, kdl-v46xbr2(the new V series)
40, kdl-46v2000(also the new V series but why 2 versions?)
My guess as to why 2 versions...

40, KDL-V46XBR2 = 1080p
40, KDL-46V2000 = 768p

Here are the models listed on the SonyStyle web page :
link (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=aot3GCv8Z4l3o2-DbKV9E2TyELA1JQMVGzs=?CategoryName=hid_tv_newbravia)

kdl-v32xbr2
kdl-40v2500
kdl-46v2500
kdl-40xbr2
kdl-46xbr2
kdl-40xbr3
kdl-46xbr3

Here are the models listed on the SonyStyle web page :
link (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start;sid=aot3GCv8Z4l3o2-DbKV9E2TyELA1JQMVGzs=?CategoryName=hid_tv_newbravia)

kdl-v32xbr2
kdl-40v2500
kdl-46v2500
kdl-40xbr2
kdl-46xbr2
kdl-40xbr3
kdl-46xbr3
where the hell were those hidding :eek:
we get drc-mf v2.5 :D
3 HDMI

Oh boy. It's time to start saving. Wowzerssss.

The XBR 2 and 3 look stellar. Man, this is exactly what I was looking for. I just hope the PC input does 1080p as well ....

They kept the dumbo ears on the SXRD? That was stoopid.

after looking at everything i can say the xbr2 and xbr3 have no difference in picture quality or inputs. the only differences are
xbr2
Changeable Designer Color Bezels (Optional)
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xbr3
High Gloss Piano Black

Matching Black Pedestal

Black Remote
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http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/MoreImages/KDL46XBR3_1.jpg

although both say 3 HDMI i only see 2 in the picture, they don't have a picuture showing the inputs on the right side.

Yep, as far as the specs listed goes the only differences seem to be the in the design . Along with the differences in the bezel and pedistal, the xbr3 comes with a black remote. I'm guessing the xbr2 remote is silver. Assuming those are the only differences I for one am not going to pay an extra $500 for the xbr3.

Yep, as far as the specs listed goes the only differences seem to be the in the design . Along with the differences in the bezel and pedistal, the xbr3 comes with a black remote. I'm guessing the xbr2 remote is silver. Assuming those are the only differences I for one am not going to pay an extra $500 for the xbr3.

I'm thinking the silver bezel might be the way to go; the black looks a lot more stylish but I fear it'll have some glare issues.

Do we have any idea what these sets might cost?

WOW these look AWSOME

Wow, 3 HDMI. Great news! Pity there's no multiple HDMI on smaller screens, though.

For anyone confused by the SonyStyle info load, I've summarised it here:
http://www.lyris-lite.net/fu_archives/000422.html

I'm thinking the silver bezel might be the way to go; the black looks a lot more stylish but I fear it'll have some glare issues.
Actually, I think the matte black "optional color bezel" with the XBR2 may be the way to go - depending on how much extra it costs, of course. And yes, these look INCREDIBLE.

the xbr2 bezels come in 6 colors. the default one that comes with the tv will be silver. it looks like you will have a option to get different color bezels that cost extra or mabey if you buy it from sonystyle you can choose the bezel in checkout.
xbr2 bezels come in
red, blue, silver, white, brown, and black/dark silver(i can't tell because im looking at these pics on a old 37" sharp.

it looks like the table top stand will be extra but you can choose the color.
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xbr3 only comes in high gloss piano finish no extra bezel options
the high gloss stand might come with the tv since you can only choose one color or it costs extra, this will come in handy for people that will be wall-mounting it and don't want to pay for the stand they can't use.

hmm which colors or model am i going to choose :cool:
im going with the xbr3 until i know the cost difference between it and getting a xbr2 with black/dark silver bezel

Maybe we should start a new thread based on Ned's link? The title of this one is a little cryptic. How about: "Official 2006 Sony Bravia XBR2, XBR3, V2500 Thread" or something like that.

im making one for xbr2,3 because i have the msrp's for these tv's and its time to move out of here :D

here it is
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7755139#post7755139

Here's a link with unofficial prices

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060601/lath013a.html?.v=2

Here's a link with unofficial prices

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060601/lath013a.html?.v=2
:eek: :eek: -- the MSRP is way high. Man ... I was hoping for something right under $4,000 for the 46" XBR 2.

Here's a link with unofficial prices

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060601/lath013a.html?.v=2
It will be very hard for me to justify $4k+ for a 40" screen, even if it is a top of the line 1080p set. At least the V2500 series should see some competitive pricing shortly after it's release.

Are they going to use HDMI 1.3 for these HDMI ports?

i don't know how you could even order one, also the msrp is off by about $600. also it looks like this tv will not be included with a table top stand it is a option until we get more info on the us version.

nothing is known about a xbr3, the only ones we know of is the xbr2 and v2000 coming out august/q3

also post the msrp for the 52", after having a qualia 005 i think i can take it :p

I bought a HD CRT and have had problems with it (geometry, green patches). After months of trying to fix it and even replacing it SONY of Canada gave up! But they will not give me a refund and I don't want to go to court. So, they have offered me any of their TVs at cost and a full credit on my CRT. They called me yesterday and gave me info on the S, V, XBR2, XBR3, prices, sizes, availability... I told them I wanted the 46" XBR2 and no stand. They said they will work on the price and get back to me but I would for sure get it late August.

They said the 52" will be Canadian$13700 :eek: which doesn't make sense to me! But then again as you know there is always a huge price difference in these cases; like the SXRD60" & SXRD70"! :confused:

I can not find the differences between XBR2 & XBR3 neither besides design. :confused: Have you found anything new? Do both support HDMI/DVI PC connection? At 1080p? I just remembered I was told by SONY Canada that the XBR3 is a Pro version. But they wouldn't elaborate on that. Do you know something? :confused:

I don't mind paying extra for the XBR3 but I do mind waiting 1-2 month more according to SONY Canada. :)

I can not find the differences between XBR2 & XBR3 neither besides design. Have you found anything new? Do both support HDMI/DVI PC connection? At 1080p? I just remembered I was told by SONY Canada that the XBR3 is a Pro version. But they wouldn't elaborate on that. Do you know something?

I don't mind paying extra for the XBR3 but I do mind waiting 1-2 month more according to SONY Canada.
insides are all the same for xbr2 and xbr3.
all xbr2 and xbr3 info is over here.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=683533

the 52" version for around $12,000 does not seem right. the samsung 57" will be going for around $10,000

[QUOTE=lyris]Wow, 3 HDMI. Great news! Pity there's no multiple HDMI on smaller screens, though.

For anyone confused by the SonyStyle info load, I've summarised it

Great link! Thanks! :) I used the link and compared XBR2 and XBR3 info on my screen side by side. The only difference I could find was the design. :confused: Do you know of any other? Also, do you know the PC connection type? HDMI/DVI? 1080p? Input only? :confused:

as said in the official xbr2,xbr3 thead design is the only difference

pc input is VGA, i don't know about using a pc (DVI-D) threw hdmi, this is something i will be trying when i get it to see if one of the hdmi's has 1:1 pixel mapping.

Sounds like they are getting rid of CableCard, finally!

Sounds like they are getting rid of CableCard, finally!
until the tv is listed at sonystyle or up for pre order we don't know much more about this tv

until the tv is listed at sonystyle or up for pre order we don't know much more about this tv

Feel free to confirm via:
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=hid_tv_newbravia&Dept=tvvideo

this link is a preview page, not all specs are final. once we see these tv's in the normal sonystyle pages where the current models are then we can get the final specs on the tv.

ok...

No CableCard for me = No sale. There is no way I will ever have a sub-standard cable box that bypasses the expensive video processor that I just purchased with the tv.

No CableCard for me = No sale. There is no way I will ever have a sub-standard cable box that bypasses the expensive video processor that I just purchased with the tv.


Cabelcard is dead. Read up on Mike 53's posts to learn more.

on some of the projection tv's shown they still have cable card, the specs listed at the site are not full specs.

Seems to me that Sony wants to replace their entire lineup with 1080p TVs. I cannot see how they can sell 3 different lines of 1080ps unless they no longer even have a 720p lineup.

Seems to me that Sony wants to replace their entire lineup with 1080p TVs. I cannot see how they can sell 3 different lines of 1080ps unless they no longer even have a 720p lineup.
I think its because of Blue-Ray, they want all of their LCD's to be compatible with their Blue-Ray player.

I think its because of Blue-Ray, they want all of their LCD's to be compatible with their Blue-Ray player.

I think it's also compatible with HD-DVD player, for 1:1 pixel mapping, although current HD-DVD player only output 1080i, but I am waiting for the next new model. Time for next-gen DVD. :D

This makes me very happy even though I may get the samsung instead. I hope the XBR3 isnt too expensive hahaha. But it will definately have a large affect on the price of 1080p TVS.

Cabelcard is dead. Read up on Mike 53's posts to learn more.


Since Mike53 works for Sharp, I would not count him as an unbiased source, especially since shap took the cablecard out of all their sets... Think he would say that one is nice to have an use? Nope.

I currently have a XBR40 with cablecard - fantastic solution. If sony removes the cablecard I will go with a Panasonic 600 series 52 inch plasma or other vendor that has one and remove sony from my buy list. If I need one for the bedroom, will find an XBR1 somewhere on closeout.

Overall the sets look just ok to me so far, nothing like the in my face buy this that I felt with my 40VXBR. (and I am looking for a larger set)

This is what I noted on the XBR2 versus XBR3

XBR2: "Changeable designer color bezels"

This could be interesting especially to please the wives! Especially mine who wants the tv to fit inside our existing cabinet which will fit 37" max. This may be an argument I need to wall hang a 40" larger unit.

My concern is COST..... I was just researching the new Sharp 1080P 37" panel and was gearing up to buy it with the lack of a Sony announcement. The sharp 37" 1080P panell will sell for just under 3k and exactly fit in my cabnet since it's width is 36 32/36 wide. I wonder what a 40" XBR2 /3 will sell for? $3500, $4k, $4500? or will prices come down since they have already discounted existing models 200-400 and other panels are coming down in price by years end? Hopefully back to the same price range as the XBR1 or below. $3-3500 is my max price point. I know the V series is out there but when you see the XBR you want it. Then I'm hoping to get a Sony PS3. Does the average person really have that much money to spend $4k on a tv and another $600-900 on a PS3 with games? I really wonder about Sony's pricing some times.


HEY FOUND THE BEZEL PICTURES!!!!!

http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/MoreImages/KDL46XBR2_5.jpg

Here's a quick photoshop I did:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=58533&stc=1

:rolleyes: Found another thread that posted high resolution pictures of the bezels:

http://news.sel.sony.com/images/large/consumer/television/flat_panel_displays/lcd/BEZEL_SWATCH_f_lg.jpg

[QUOTE=lyris]Wow, 3 HDMI. Great news! Pity there's no multiple HDMI on smaller screens, though.

For anyone confused by the SonyStyle info load, I've summarised it

Great link! Thanks! :) I used the link and compared XBR2 and XBR3 info on my screen side by side. The only difference I could find was the design. :confused: Do you know of any other? Also, do you know the PC connection type? HDMI/DVI? 1080p? Input only? :confused:

Is it just me but does this thread have anything at all to do with the 46" Bravia LCD?

This seems to be the "let's wait for the next Gen Sony LCDs and how good they'll be" thread.

Is it just me but does this thread have anything at all to do with the 46" Bravia LCD?

This seems to be the "let's wait for the next Gen Sony LCDs and how good they'll be" thread.

Less than one month to the launch of the V Series. :)

BJ

:eek: I picked up a new 46 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV from Best Buys a couple of days ago and hooked it into my existing system (Hybrid HDMI 7.1 receiver, 7.1 Polk speaker system, etc, etc). And, yes ... I could have bought one online ... I did buy my 40 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV from an internet vendor last year ... but dealing with those guys in Brooklyn left me a bit shaky about buying anything of substance from them again. So, I decided to pay a few hundred more and save myself the aggravation and trepidation of last year ... I figured leave the New Yorkers to New Yorkers ...

I bought the 46 inch set because of the outstanding picture and quality of the 40 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV I purchased last year. The idea being to put the larger 46 in set in my "home theater" space and move the 40 in to my bedroom; where I also have some decent middle-of-the-range A/V equipment. I had been wanting to upgrade a couple of components in my "home theater" (center channel speaker, new integrated remote) and thought the purchase of the larger set provided just the opportunity to revamp a few items - just some tweaks.

When I picked up the 46 inch set, I noticed the box felt lighter and the external packing was not as sturdy as I recalled for the 40 inch set. When I got it home and extracted the TV from the box, I noticed the box and packing were a great deal less robust then the 40 inch set ... the 46 inch set was cheaply packed in comparison. Then I saw there were no cooling fans in the 46 inch set ... unlike the 40 inch set which has a top mounted/center 120mm cooling fan. Then ... to my complete surprise followed by terrible heartbreak ... I saw why this set was poorly packed and was missing any active cooling ... the set was "Made in Mexico." I quickly ran into my bedroom and looked at the back of the 40 inch set ... "Made in Japan."

I hooked up the 46 inch set ... turned on the HDTV Cable Box ... tuned it to the best reference HD channel ... and noticed the picture was not nearly as good as the 40 inch set. I did my best to adjust the picture with the custom controls ... but, to no avail ... this is simple not the same quality set as the 40 inch ... its like a knockoff ... it probably is a sanctioned knockoff. The colors and contract are as bad as a cheap, crummy 50 inch VISIO plasma you can pick up at Sam's CLub for less than $1900! Oh man, was I ticked off.

I wrote a scathing email to Sony ... noting among other things, besides the horror of paying $4000 for a TV made in Mexico .... that the warranty card was printed in Spanish ... "Guarantia de Poliza" and though I cannot read Spanish, it appears that all warranty issues must be referred to Mexico City to the independent Sony de Mexico subsidiary. So we are paying $4000 for Sony Model KDL-46XBR2 HDTV's that are made in Mexico ... ? Oh, and Sony's reply ... a form-letter email advising me to call them because the issue I am raising is beyond the scope of email. Right ... let me waste my time calling some guy in Rangoon, India ... I am sure he will be able to put things right (LOL).

Although it seems as though you have enough money not to be concerned, I wonder why you didn't just return the set to Best Buy? If the set is as bad as you say, why encourage Sony to use "cheap incompetent Mexican labour" by keeping it?

It might be "only" 4 grand, but instead of just being rich, you could be 4 grand richer.

:eek: I picked up a new 46 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV from Best Buys a couple of days ago and hooked it into my existing system (Hybrid HDMI 7.1 receiver, 7.1 Polk speaker system, etc, etc). And, yes ... I could have bought one online ... I did buy my 40 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV from an internet vendor last year ... but dealing with those guys in Brooklyn left me a bit shaky about buying anything of substance from them again. So, I decided to pay a few hundred more and save myself the aggravation and trepidation of last year ... I figured leave the New Yorkers to New Yorkers ...

I bought the 46 inch set because of the outstanding picture and quality of the 40 inch XBR BRAVIA LCD HDTV I purchased last year. The idea being to put the larger 46 in set in my "home theater" space and move the 40 in to my bedroom; where I also have some decent middle-of-the-range A/V equipment. I had been wanting to upgrade a couple of components in my "home theater" (center channel speaker, new integrated remote) and thought the purchase of the larger set provided just the opportunity to revamp a few items - just some tweaks.

When I picked up the 46 inch set, I noticed the box felt lighter and the external packing was not as sturdy as I recalled for the 40 inch set. When I got it home and extracted the TV from the box, I noticed the box and packing were a great deal less robust then the 40 inch set ... the 46 inch set was cheaply packed in comparison. Then I saw there were no cooling fans in the 46 inch set ... unlike the 40 inch set which has a top mounted/center 120mm cooling fan. Then ... to my complete surprise followed by terrible heartbreak ... I saw why this set was poorly packed and was missing any active cooling ... the set was "Made in Mexico." I quickly ran into my bedroom and looked at the back of the 40 inch set ... "Made in Japan."

I hooked up the 46 inch set ... turned on the HDTV Cable Box ... tuned it to the best reference HD channel ... and noticed the picture was not nearly as good as the 40 inch set. I did my best to adjust the picture with the custom controls ... but, to no avail ... this is simple not the same quality set as the 40 inch ... its like a knockoff ... it probably is a sanctioned knockoff. The colors and contract are as bad as a cheap, crummy 50 inch VISIO plasma you can pick up at Sam's CLub for less than $1900! Oh man, was I ticked off.

I wrote a scathing email to Sony ... noting among other things, besides the horror of paying $4000 for a TV made in Mexico .... that the warranty card was printed in Spanish ... "Guarantia de Poliza" and though I cannot read Spanish, it appears that all warranty issues must be referred to Mexico City to the independent Sony de Mexico subsidiary. So we are paying $4000 for Sony Model KDL-46XBR2 HDTV's that are made in Mexico ... by Mexicans. How does that grab you? Oh, and Sony's reply ... a form-letter email advising me to call them because the issue I am raising is beyond the scope of email. Right ... let me waste my time calling some guy in Rangoon, India ... I am sure he will be able to put things right (LOL).

Man oh man, you had me laughing hard! Not what happened to you, but rather your writing style...funny stuff. Anyway, regarding Sony's Mexican Assembly Plant, they've been doing it for years, as have quite a number of other consumer electronics mfg'ers. The "made in Japan" doesn't really apply any longer as all the Japanese mfg'ers sub out a lot of electronics all over Southeast Asia, including China. The TV's (or other CE gear) are only assembled in Mexico. Get yourself some screwdrivers and a soldering iron and your in business! Models vary within the Sony, Panasonic, Mitsubishi, Hitachi, etc. and some actually have better build quality & design than other models in the same line. Just take the display back and get what you want. Best Buy has a pretty good return policy, so you should'nt have a problem.

I checked through this whole thread and cannot find any calibration numbers on a Sony 46" Bravia. Anyone out there have a professional calibration done who wants to share their numbers?