Just thought I would post the start of information on this new set, the guys over at engadget posted a pic of the new set and a little bit of info from the sony press preview check it out here:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/04/live-at-the-sony-press-preview/

Lets use this thread to add to the information on this set as new stuff comes out during the week.

My one personal comment on the picture in the preview is that I am very happy to see them using the same form factor as the 40in for the 46" ...I better start saving my money!

Some info on the 46 and other new BRAVIA sets from sony. http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/6390

Mhh according to that press release of pt270 they didnt mention the 1080p models.

Mhh according to that press release of pt270 they didnt mention the 1080p models.No, but it does mention 7 new Bravia’s. By my count it describes 6. Absent, of course, is the description of the 46” 1080p - presumably the KDLV-46XBR1?

Mhh according to that press release of pt270 they didnt mention the 1080p models.

In the text of Randy Waynick -Senior VP, Marketing, Home Products Division Sony
Electronics- Press Briefing speach he said among other things "TONIGHT, JOINING THE BRAVIA LINEUP IS A NEW 46-INCH MODEL THAT DELIVERS 1080P PERFORMANCE, AND THREE NEW S-SERIES MODELS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 26 TO 46 INCHES."

I've been patiently waiting for the 46" XBR. It will be our main TV, so it will be showing SD, DVD, especially HD cable. I'm looking at this vs. the 55" SXRD. My two questions (besided the obvious screen size and wall mountability) are response time and viewing angles.

Anyone know these figures yet?

It's strange that the stated CR of the new models is 1,000:1 whereas the current Bravias are stated as 1,300:1.

In the text of Randy Waynick -Senior VP, Marketing, Home Products Division Sony
Electronics- Press Briefing speach he said among other things "TONIGHT, JOINING THE BRAVIA LINEUP IS A NEW 46-INCH MODEL THAT DELIVERS 1080P PERFORMANCE, AND THREE NEW S-SERIES MODELS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 26 TO 46 INCHES."

Yeah hopefully there will be more info on the 46in 1080P XBR TV over the next few days, this press relealse doesnt really have much info on it. Hopefully this TV will be out in Feb/March as well.

Can we change the title of the thread from Briva to Bravia? Would help with searches.

Can we change the title of the thread from Briva to Bravia? Would help with searches.
Done!

Is it confirmed that this Bravia V series 46 inch would be sold within the year? (most probably within H2 of 2006?)

I want to know this because if they are, then I might as well tell my dad to hold off plans to purchase the KLV-V40A10 and wait for a 46 inch instead.

Any info on this?

engadget has a pic of the TV posted.

Hope we get some retail prices and expected availabiltiy soon.

engadget has a pic of the TV posted.

Hope we get some retail prices and expected availabiltiy soon.

HOPEFULLY, somebody reading this can swing by the Sony Booth and look for it and ask a couple of questions.

the 46 inch X series is set for may 2006
the 40 inch S series is set for march 2006

pop this link into a translator :o translator! (http://babelfish.altavista.com/)

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060105/ces04.htm

It's strange that the stated CR of the new models is 1,000:1 whereas the current Bravias are stated as 1,300:1.Ken, only the current XBR Bravias are 1300:1. Those model specs in the release are all for the new non-XBR units.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned this from the sony notes:


5:18 Bravia brand is the top-selling flat-panel LCD TV in US. They'll soon be introducing a new 46-inch model at 1080p and 3 new S-series models with integrated ATSC tuners. The world premier of an 82-inch Bravia prototype with wide-color gamma technology is set to deliver more realism via the full range of color.


ron

the 46 inch X series is set for may 2006
the 40 inch S series is set for march 2006

pop this link into a translator :o translator! (http://babelfish.altavista.com/)

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060105/ces04.htm

Sony's Press Statement says that the the KDL-46S2000 will be aviailbe in May. This is not a 1080p set and has one HDMI input. The picture posted on Endgaget shows a 46" in the same Form Factor as the current XBR that claims to be a 1080p set with no other details. The picture on watch.impress website shows yet another 46" version hanging on the wall. Finally, the X Series already in Japan is also different. Unfortunately, I don't think we know exactly when Sony's 46" 1080p set for the US is coming and what it's going to look like. At least it apperas that it might be sometime this year.

to many tv's not enough info, i can wait until everything gets straighten out

heres a another sony tv shown at the show looks just like the X series

http://internet.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/01/05/cessn04.jpg

to many tv's not enough info, i can wait until everything gets straighten out

heres a another sony tv shown at the show looks just like the X series

http://internet.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/01/05/cessn04.jpg
Yes. it does. Very confusing and frustrating! We need help from someone at CES who can ask a question or two and get a straight answer.

Ken, only the current XBR Bravias are 1300:1. Those model specs in the release are all for the new non-XBR units.


ron

Ah, that explains it, thanks Ron.

Frickin Sony, I want Details on the 46in XBR!!

Just to clarify further this is the image I was talking about
http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/1/46_bravia.jpg
Lets keep this thread talking about mainly the 1080P XBR 46" TV

isn't 46in an odd size?

Yes. it does. Very confusing and frustrating! We need help from someone at CES who can ask a question or two and get a straight answer.
at the watch inpress site it shows the 46 inch model of the X series and says its 1080p, and says the rest are not. a floor model with the exact same specs might just give people an idea of what the USA is getting but it will look different look? usually what they bring is what you get :confused:

i figured it out its the same pic but a bad camera

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060105/ces04_11.jpg
http://internet.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/01/05/cessn04.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060105/ces04_31.jpg

I'm confused by the sony press release. Currently the XBR's have V in the model number, such as KDL-V32XBR1, and the lower models have S in the model number such as KLV-S32A10.

But in this press release it seems to be saying that there will be two new lines, one the S series, now the higher one, and the other the KLV monitor series the lower one.

Is the new S series replacing the XBR? Or is the XBR still better than this new S series? And is the new S series then replacing the old S series, and the new monitors are a third level now below that? So confusing!

japan has 2 S series one is still called WEGA and one is called bravia S series.

-bravia s series has a 40 inch and a 32 inch with better specs like the US XBR's

-wega s series has a 32, 26,23, and a 19 inch basic which are basic LCD-tv's

these new sonys that we just saw today from the sony website(KDL_46S200 (http://news.sel.sony.com/digitalimages/images/2006/55/6/185506.jpg),KLV-32U100 (http://news.sel.sony.com/digitalimages/images/2006/55/18/185518.jpg)) are brand new designs that i have never seen. the watch impress site does not show a 46 inch version of this tv only the x series 46 inch is shown

and the X series 1080p 46,40 inch TV's are not even show on the sony site yet but the 46 inch is at the show.

I'm confused by the sony press release. Currently the XBR's have V in the model number, such as KDL-V32XBR1, and the lower models have S in the model number such as KLV-S32A10.

But in this press release it seems to be saying that there will be two new lines, one the S series, now the higher one, and the other the KLV monitor series the lower one.

Is the new S series replacing the XBR? Or is the XBR still better than this new S series? And is the new S series then replacing the old S series, and the new monitors are a third level now below that? So confusing!

From what I gather the S series is going to be a lower budget line, from reading the prices in the press release and whatnot, the XBR is still going to be the higher end sets and they are adding to that a 46" model which is 1080P. My next question is does this new XBR have the new HDMI format to be able to accept 1080P inputs.

From what I gather the S series is going to be a lower budget line, from reading the prices in the press release and whatnot, the XBR is still going to be the higher end sets and they are adding to that a 46" model which is 1080P. My next question is does this new XBR have the new HDMI format to be able to accept 1080P inputs.

the X series 1080p displays 46/40 inchers accept 1080p in both HDMI inputs and 1920x1080@60hz in the pc input

at the watch inpress site it shows the 46 inch model of the X series and says its 1080p, and says the rest are not. a floor model with the exact same specs might just give people an idea of what the USA is getting but it will look different look? usually what they bring is what you get :confused:

i figured it out its the same pic but a bad camera

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060105/ces04_11.jpg
http://internet.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/01/05/cessn04.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060105/ces04_31.jpg


I think Sony is possibly showing two 1080p capable sets in two different form factors. One is the X Series that is currently out in Japan. The other is in the same form as the current XBR line in the US. I'm betting we are getting the XBR Form Factor with the X Series guts. Perhaps they only had one 46" XBR assembled in time fro CES?

I think Sony is possibly showing two 1080p capable sets in two different form factors. One is the X Series that is currently out in Japan. The other is in the same form as the current XBR line in the US. I'm betting we are getting the XBR Form Factor with the X Series guts. Perhaps they only had one 46" XBR assembled in time fro CES?
I would be ok with the X series guts as long as it also accepted 1080P input, I refuse to spend the crazy $$$ on it if it doesnt have that

isn't 46in an odd size?
No, it would be the perfect size TV for my room.

sony showed the XMB Xross Media Bar user interface. mabey this 46 will have it, mabey this will be the first sony tv they sell in the USA with xmb

picture from a japan electronic show
http://sharp.ascii24.com/sharp/news/2005/10/07/images/images788401.jpg

No, it would be the perfect size TV for my room.
I agree, I only have 50" available space for a TV in my main room, so this would be a perfect size for me as well!

The new S series is just the same old s series with a built in ATSC tuner as it is now 2006 and such is required.

Im really holding out for a 32 1080p, but I think 40 is as low as sony will go. Like in Japan.

As far as the model number, in Japan it is KDL-46X1000 , not sure if itl stay the same or not.

wow. that Xross Media Bar. is impressive. just like the PSP UI.

Please let us know what TV is going to use that UI in the USA.

Thanks!!!

hey! i knew it!! on the Sony TVS running XMB have an on board PS2 processors.
I remember the pictures of the main board of the Bravia X Series in japan had the same look as a Ps2 main board!!
lol.

very nice!

Samsung also announced two 1080p LCDs in 40" and 46" -- same size as the Sonys. These Samsungs and the Sonys will use the same panels -- made in the joint Sony/Sumsung LCD plant in Korea where they are pumping out 1M+ panels per month.

I have a Sony SDM-P234 24" Sony computer monitor. Took the back off to see the Samsung panel inside there.

Anyone see/ask if PAP (Picture and Picture) available on the new Models.
Will the US Models have the ability to display two (or more) different inputs at the same time.

the japan X series has twin view. it might be the same set up as the qualia 005, like HDMI and other HD pictures on the left and anything SD on the right. and it might let you change the size between the pictures, one bigger than the other like the qualia 005

Did anyone get any more info on the XBR TV, I havent seen anything after engadget about it and am pretty frustrated!

Did anyone get any more info on the XBR TV, I havent seen anything after engadget about it and am pretty frustrated!

Same here. I was expecting to get some serious info about the 46 XBR but there has been nothing. It's a little disappointing. :(

hey! i knew it!! on the Sony TVS running XMB have an on board PS2 processors.
I remember the pictures of the main board of the Bravia X Series in japan had the same look as a Ps2 main board!!
lol.

very nice!

Well then maybe you should wait for the Toshiba and Sony TVs with the Cell processor. :p

No, it would be the perfect size TV for my room.


Me too, and if they made it larger it would cost a few bucks more :)

next monday i may have some usefull info on the X series. plus i will talk to the buyer at the local store that went to CES about these tv's mabey next week

Thanks, any info you can get would be excellent!!!

The XBR is not listed, but the others are:

http://www.sony.com/NewBravia

Sony...Wake Up! Two HDMI ports minimum...three for XBR. What's wrong with them?
A 46" size is appealing to me but I still think a plasma is in my future.

The XBR is not listed, but the others are:

http://www.sony.com/NewBravia

i cant even find that link going threw the normal menus on the site. the only one listed on the normal menus is the KLV-32U100M for pre-orders. a reason why the X series is not listed on sonystyle is because there is no press release for the tv's

i cant even find that link going threw the normal menus on the site. the only one listed on the normal menus is the KLV-32U100M for pre-orders. a reason why the X series is not listed on sonystyle is because there is no press release for the tv's

It's stashed on the bottom of the BRAVIA Press Release under "Editor's Note". Very discouraging that no info on the 46" XBR 1080p set, X Series etc. has come out beyond the brief mention in the Sony Press Conference. Surely somebody at CES visited the Sony Booth and saw the set and asked a question. ANYBODY?

next monday i may have some usefull info on the X series. plus i will talk to the buyer at the local store that went to CES about these tv's mabey next week

Thanks!

It's a shame that information is so difficult to get and when you do it's often confusing. Sony's PR/marketing is pathetic. Do they listen to their customers at all?

Thanks!

It's a shame that information is so difficult to get and when you do it's often confusing. Sony's PR/marketing is pathetic. Do they listen to their customers at all?


The fact that Sony had a CES dedicated website was an improvement over last year. Usually, they just post a press release on their corporate web page. Sony has made some progress, but certainly needs much more improvement. Historically, their PR/Marketing has been very lame in the US. The Japanese website is packed with up to date info and specs. To bad I can't read Japanese and the web translators still have a few problems.

Is the new Bravia S-series 1080p?

Is the new Bravia S-series 1080p?

No. The S Series is the bottom end of the food chain. The 1080p sets are likely to be based on the current V XBR Series Chasis with the guts of X series (The current 1080p set that is out in Japan.) Beyond a picture posted on Endgaget of the Sony CES Press Conference and generic statement in a Sony VP Speech no one seems to know much more.

I think I read that the Bravia XBR response time is 8 msec. Has this been lowered on the 46" in japan, or the samsung 46"?

This is ridiculous. You mean Sony couldn't provide any more info on the 46 XBR set? What is Sony thinking? :mad: :mad:

I could care less about the S series.

This is ridiculous. You mean Sony couldn't provide any more info on the 46 XBR set? What is Sony thinking? :mad: :mad:

I could care less about the S series.
I am with you on that one, I was very frusterated by the lack of information, hopefully the guy who posted earlier can get us some good details!

I am with you on that one, I was very frusterated by the lack of information, hopefully the guy who posted earlier can get us some good details!

Unfortunatley, Sony's lack of information usually means that we will see this set later rather than sooner.

Unfortunately this and the HD Tivo were the two things I was looking to finally get some good info on from CES and both were totally side stepped by their respective companies, ugh!

OK, lemme see if I have this straight (and please correct me if I don't). In the BRAVIA lineup, the V-series XBRs will still be top of the line:

KDL-V46XBR1 (new 1920 x 1080 panel; model number is an assumption)
KDL-V40XBR1
KDL-V32XBR1
KDL-V26XBR1
The new S-Series models will constitute the middle tier:

KDL-46S2000
KDL-40S2000
KDL-32S2000
KDL-26S2000
And the M series (without tuners) would fill out the lineup:

KLV-40U100M
KLV-32U100M
Is this how you guys read it? This opens up lots of opportunity to consider price versus value. First thing I'll wanna know is how the S-seres compares to the XBRs (or, conversely, what makes the V-series better). Apparently the 46XBR will be the only 1080p model, so I get that part, but I'd like to know more about the other three panel sizes.

I thought the designation was going to be "KDL 46X1000". Does that correspond with the KDLV46XBR1? Could they make it more confusing?

OK, lemme see if I have this straight (and please correct me if I don't). In the BRAVIA lineup, the V-series XBRs will still be top of the line:

KDL-V46XBR1 (new 1920 x 1080 panel; model number is an assumption)
KDL-V40XBR1
KDL-V32XBR1
KDL-V26XBR1
The new S-Series models will constitute the middle tier:

KDL-46S2000
KDL-40S2000
KDL-32S2000
KDL-26S2000
And the M series (without tuners) would fill out the lineup:

KLV-40U100M
KLV-32U100M
Is this how you guys read it? This opens up lots of opportunity to consider price versus value. First thing I'll wanna know is how the S-seres compares to the XBRs (or, conversely, what makes the V-series better). Apparently the 46XBR will be the only 1080p model, so I get that part, but I'd like to know more about the other three panel sizes.



Seems that you are reading it right. What bothers me is the fact that KDL-46S2000 will retail for 4500... That means 46 inch XBR will be more money and with Sony offering no real discounts to me it seems they will have a very hard time competing with Sharps... If Sharp will be available for thousands less in the same size who will buy Sony's?

I dont think the 46 inch is going to be KDL-V46XBR1 , in Japan its KDL-46X1000, the problem being that in Japan there is a 40 inch 1080p as well, so if thats released here, by that logic it would be called the KDL-V40XBR1, but that already exists.

I dont think the 46 inch is going to be KDL-V46XBR1 , in Japan its KDL-46X1000, the problem being that in Japan there is a 40 inch 1080p as well, so if thats released here, by that logic it would be called the KDL-V40XBR1, but that already exists.OK, I'll be the first one to say I don't know, but if you look at the pic below (taken from the link in the first post of this thread), the new 46-inch for the American market is a clone of the existing V-series XBRs . . .

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c216/MisterBrownstone/46_bravia.jpgAs for a 1080p 40-inch, that could yet be the XBR2, but I dunno . . .

OK, lemme see if I have this straight (and please correct me if I don't). In the BRAVIA lineup, the V-series XBRs will still be top of the line:

KDL-V46XBR1 (new 1920 x 1080 panel; model number is an assumption)
KDL-V40XBR1
KDL-V32XBR1
KDL-V26XBR1
The new S-Series models will constitute the middle tier:

KDL-46S2000
KDL-40S2000
KDL-32S2000
KDL-26S2000
And the M series (without tuners) would fill out the lineup:

KLV-40U100M
KLV-32U100M
Is this how you guys read it? This opens up lots of opportunity to consider price versus value. First thing I'll wanna know is how the S-seres compares to the XBRs (or, conversely, what makes the V-series better). Apparently the 46XBR will be the only 1080p model, so I get that part, but I'd like to know more about the other three panel sizes.

I think that they will also release a 40" that is 1080p. At least that is what they did in Japan.

Seems that you are reading it right. What bothers me is the fact that KDL-46S2000 will retail for 4500... That means 46 inch XBR will be more money and with Sony offering no real discounts to me it seems they will have a very hard time competing with Sharps... If Sharp will be available for thousands less in the same size who will buy Sony's?

I think you are right on with your analogy - excpect I would substitute Samsung for Sharp. The Samsung will use the same panel as the Sony. It will be interesting to see what price point the Samsung comes in at. That should put real pressure on Sony.

I dont think the 46 inch is going to be KDL-V46XBR1 , in Japan its KDL-46X1000, the problem being that in Japan there is a 40 inch 1080p as well, so if thats released here, by that logic it would be called the KDL-V40XBR1, but that already exists.

KDL-40XBR2 & KDL-46XBR2 as both of these US sets will be based on the US XBR Form Factor. My two cents for what it's worth..............

I was at CES, and there was no info at the Sony booth about a 1080p 46" XBR. They had the KDL-46X1000 on display on a rotating wall it shared with a 55" SXRD set. The person manning the installation claimed that the KDL-46X1000 was a 'prototype' and he had no information about a 1080p 46" panel coming to the US. (He was basically useless.) The third (bottom) picture in this post appears to be from that installation.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6853848&&#post6853848

The only place I've found a 46" 1080p XBR lcd listed is in that engadget coverage of the sony press preview.

In contrast, the Samsung booth had 1080p LCD's on display, in 40" and 46" models, both with standard florescent backlights as well as models with LED active baclights, and all of them looked very nice. If they are truly using the same glass as Sony will, I was very disppointed in Sony's booth.

I was at CES, and there was no info at the Sony booth about a 1080p 46" XBR. They had the KDL-46X1000 on display on a rotating wall it shared with a 55" SXRD set. The person manning the installation claimed that the KDL-46X1000 was a 'prototype' and he had no information about a 1080p 46" panel coming to the US. (He was basically useless.) The third (bottom) picture in this post appears to be from that installation.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6853848&&#post6853848

The only place I've found a 46" 1080p XBR lcd listed is in that engadget coverage of the sony press preview.

In contrast, the Samsung booth had 1080p LCD's on display, in 40" and 46" models, both with standard florescent backlights as well as models with LED active baclights, and all of them looked very nice. If they are truly using the same glass as Sony will, I was very disppointed in Sony's booth.

Typical Sony. Won't acknowledge it actually exists until they roll it out on their terms. BUMMER! Perhaps somebody associated with the "PRESS" could email the John Dolak on the Press Release and ask them to back up their Boss's statement. Randy Waynick -Senior VP, Marketing, Home Products Division Sony
Electronics- Press Briefing speech he said among other things "TONIGHT, JOINING THE BRAVIA LINEUP IS A NEW 46-INCH MODEL THAT DELIVERS 1080P PERFORMANCE, AND THREE NEW S-SERIES MODELS RANGING IN SIZE FROM 26 TO 46 INCHES." Might want to attach the picture from Endgaget so he cant' deny it. The KDL-46X1000 was released in Japan on November 20. Prototype - HA HA! Kind of pathetically funny.

http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/6377

In contrast, the Samsung booth had 1080p LCD's on display, in 40" and 46" models, both with standard florescent backlights as well as models with LED active baclights, and all of them looked very nice. If they are truly using the same glass as Sony will, I was very disppointed in Sony's booth.

Samsung seems to bring product to market 3 times the rate of Sony and Sony may be holding onto their cards until their official Trade Show in a few months. Sure like to know what happened to Samsungs 57" LCD 2 years ago - been rumored for 2 years and still nothing and now Sharp has a 57" and 65". The 57" arrives in US in March. Sony is having such great success with Bravia it's hard to believe they wouldn't strike while the iron is hot with the Bravia Line by the time they get the 46" on the market the 57" Sharp will be here. :D

I was at CES, and there was no info at the Sony booth about a 1080p 46" XBR.OK, fair enough. So if that photo of the apparent 46-inch XBR didn't come from CES (I'll display it again, what the heck), just where did it come from? Is it even real?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c216/MisterBrownstone/46_bravia.jpg
Then there's this observation . . .

What bothers me is the fact that KDL-46S2000 will retail for 4500... That means 46 inch XBR will be more money and with Sony offering no real discounts to me it seems they will have a very hard time competing with Sharps... If Sharp will be available for thousands less in the same size who will buy Sony's?If the second-tier (1366 x 768) KDL-46S2000 is gonna list for $4,500, how much would they ask for the 1080p XBR? $5,000+? That's $1,500 more than the 40-inch that's been available for months . . . hard to figure . . .

OK, fair enough. So if that photo of the apparent 46-inch XBR didn't come from CES (I'll display it again, what the heck), just where did it come from? Is it even real?

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c216/MisterBrownstone/46_bravia.jpg
Then there's this observation . . .

If the second-tier (1366 x 768) KDL-46S2000 is gonna list for $4,500, how much would they ask for the 1080p XBR? $5,000+? That's $1,500 more than the 40-inch that's been available for months . . . hard to figure . . .

According to Endgaget, the picture came from the Sony Press Preview on January 4. Sony apperntly didn't leave it in their Booth during the actual show...... too many questions not to answer!

just to give you an idea of what these tv's might cost. watch impress is the only website with any good info on the TV. a sales man at the store that i go to said sony wouldn't show anything new at ces and told me wait until Sony's own show in the spring. so i guess we have to wait until then.

sony has no tv on the market to take full advantage of their blu-ray player so they will be rushing this tv to the market, maybe :rolleyes:
sonystyle japan prices converted to USD MSRP!
comes with table top stand
Kdl-46x1000-$5,786
Kdl-40x1000-$4,896

Current Flat Panel LCD Retarded question of the Moment: Which 45 or 46 inch flat Panel LCD will have the BEST Contrast Ratio for 2006? Samsung or Sony or Sharp? How much will the MSRP be? If not known expert speculation would be appreciated!

sony beats sharp easily with 1300:1 contrast and 102% color gamut. samsung still beats sharp with same panel with different insides. price wise the 46 inch samsung will go for $4,999 and the sony we don't know yet but in japan it sells for $5,786. the sharp 45 that is going to compete with these tv's goes for $4,999.

Current Flat Panel LCD Retarded question of the Moment: Which 45 or 46 inch flat Panel LCD will have the BEST Contrast Ratio for 2006? Samsung or Sony or Sharp? How much will the MSRP be? If not known expert speculation would be appreciated!

The Sony and Samsung should be pretty much the same. They will both use panels built on the same line at the joint Samsung\Sony LCD plant in Korea. Sony is calling these S-panels.

this is what i got back from emailing a PR at sony.

"Thanks for your email. Sony will have more TV announcements regarding the
2006 LCD line this Spring. Keep an eye on www.sony.com/news as we get
closer to the March/April timeframe."

I was at CES, and there was no info at the Sony booth about a 1080p 46" XBR. They had the KDL-46X1000 on display on a rotating wall it shared with a 55" SXRD set. The person manning the installation claimed that the KDL-46X1000 was a 'prototype' and he had no information about a 1080p 46" panel coming to the US. (He was basically useless.) The third (bottom) picture in this post appears to be from that installation.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6853848&&#post6853848

The only place I've found a 46" 1080p XBR lcd listed is in that engadget coverage of the sony press preview.

In contrast, the Samsung booth had 1080p LCD's on display, in 40" and 46" models, both with standard florescent backlights as well as models with LED active baclights, and all of them looked very nice. If they are truly using the same glass as Sony will, I was very disppointed in Sony's booth.


I talked to two reps at the Sony booth about this set.The first guy most have been the same guy you talked to, because he got into a argument with me about this set being a prototype.I told him it was a production model japan, period.That guy was a total fat jerk.The second rep said it would be out 2nd quarter,msrp $4495.Thats what I was told.Also it would have a response time of 6ms or better.

thanks for the info and the picture. the guy that gave you the info was probably the same guy watch impress got. 6ms hmm the japan version had 8ms, i guess i can live with that :)

i find it very funny that at the bottom of the that list under the tv it says "CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN JAPAN" :rolleyes:

for everyone that is trying to figure out what those small letters on that display say.

*7th generation s-lcd panel

*1920x1080p resolution

*high contrast display

*fast response time

*wide viewing angle

*(something starting with a P) color reproduction

*DLNA, compliant (i think it says that)

*currently available in japan

this is what i got back from emailing a PR at sony.

"Thanks for your email. Sony will have more TV announcements regarding the
2006 LCD line this Spring. Keep an eye on www.sony.com/news as we get
closer to the March/April timeframe."

Guess we are waiting until March/April. Hopefully, an annucment will include that the 1080p sets are being released in May......................

Guess we are waiting until March/April. Hopefully, an annucment will include that the 1080p sets are being released in May......................
I dont think I can wait that long, and now I am not sure that I should, I am between waiting for this or buying the current 40" XBR. I do not know if it is worth the extra money and waiting time for 6" and 1080P support. What does everyone else think?

I dont think I can wait that long, and now I am not sure that I should, I am between waiting for this or buying the current 40" XBR. I do not know if it is worth the extra money and waiting time for 6" and 1080P support. What does everyone else think?

I have the 40" XBR. Going back at the end of this month. I will wait until May. I need the 6" - WAF thinks the current set is a tad too small. Another HDMI input will be a bonus. Additionally, these should be HDMI 1.2a. Finally, 1080p will future proof this end of the set.

I have the 40" XBR. Going back at the end of this month. I will wait until May. I need the 6" - WAF thinks the current set is a tad too small. Another HDMI input will be a bonus. Additionally, these should be HDMI 1.2a. Finally, 1080p will future proof this end of the set.
I agree completely and go back and forth on what I want to do, If there was more information about this set and we knew an actual date I would be more for waiting. My other question is about 1080P TVs In general and maybe someone can answer this for me. When you have a 720 P input (XBox 360) does the TV have to scale, it up and when it does that will you loose picture quality? The 360 is going to be one of my primary uses for an HDTV and I want to make sure that I am not sacrificing quality by "futureproofing". Since I am a gamer the other thing out there is will PS3 output 1080P? As far as I know that hasn't been confirmed yet. Does anyone know if it was confirmed that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are going to output in 1080P?

I dont think I can wait that long, and now I am not sure that I should, I am between waiting for this or buying the current 40" XBR. I do not know if it is worth the extra money and waiting time for 6" and 1080P support. What does everyone else think?It depends on the price, to be honest. The extra size and resolution (and extra HDMI input, if that's true) definitely have value.

At $4,500, sure. At $5,000, I dunno. At $5,500 or $5,700 . . . no way.

It depends on the price, to be honest. The extra size and resolution (and extra HDMI input, if that's true) definitely have value.

At $4,500, sure. At $5,000, I dunno. At $5,500 or $5,700 . . . no way.
I really dont see this TV coming in at less then $5k, and probably starting at more like 5,500 or 6, so I dont know that it is worth it.

When you have a 720 P input (XBox 360) does the TV have to scale, it up and when it does that will you loose picture quality?Yes, it will have to scale anything that's not already 1080i/p to 1920 x 1080. We won't know how well it does that until we actually see it, though.

Since I am a gamer the other thing out there is will PS3 output 1080P? As far as I know that hasn't been confirmed yet. Does anyone know if it was confirmed that HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are going to output in 1080P?Good questions, and I can't answer them. But do we know if the new 1080p Sony will even accept a 1080p signal? Every 1080p display I'm familiar with accepts up to 1080i.

we dont know if we will get the 40 and 46 inch and the tv will accept 1080p in both HDMI. the blu-ray disc players show 1080P output. ps3 will output 1080p most likely also.

Good questions, and I can't answer them. But do we know if the new 1080p Sony will even accept a 1080p signal? Every 1080p display I'm familiar with accepts up to 1080i.
I understand that these TVs will upscale content, but I dont see why it is worth it if you cant put 1080P content directly onto it.

At this point, is it confirmed (or rather, can it be confirmed) if there will be indeed a Bravia V series that is a 46 inch???

or

would it only come out in a new form factor/model (like the X series shown at CES and aside from the one for S series)???

Are there any answers now or would have to wait til another appliance convention or something (or would we have to wait for Sony's appliance exhibition coming this Q2 2006)???

i actually saw this TV (the X version anyway) in Japan this past November (went there for honeymoon and visited that gigantic new multistory monstrosity of an electronics store in Akibahara).

It's quite nice, and I intend to wait for it.

(the funky remote is pretty neat too).

- DH

thanks for the info and the picture. the guy that gave you the info was probably the same guy watch impress got. 6ms hmm the japan version had 8ms, i guess i can live with that :)

i find it very funny that at the bottom of the that list under the tv it says "CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN JAPAN" :rolleyes:

for everyone that is trying to figure out what those small letters on that display say.

*7th generation s-lcd panel

*1920x1080p resolution

*high contrast display

*fast response time

*wide viewing angle

*(something starting with a P) color reproduction

*DLNA, compliant (i think it says that)

*currently available in japan

Does anyone have any updated information on specs and US availability?

Thanks!

Does anyone have any updated information on specs and US availability?

Thanks!

Probably nothing until Sony's vendor show in March.

Here's a link to a nicely translated piece on the "X" Series 1080p sets out in Japan. It's from Sony's global site.

http://www.pressroom.sony.net/global/bstage/bravia.htm

you forgot the l in html.
http://www.pressroom.sony.net/global/bstage/bravia.html

nothing new to me but it gives anyone else a idea on how this tv works. also the color gamut on the tv is now 102% ntsc

looks like we are getting closer. this info is from cebit coming up march 9-15 in hannover, germany. so far it say's 46 inch only.

http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/images/3f7c9332976f5022e53047598338d792.jpg
also in super size
http://www.sony-europe.com/content/attachment/BRAVIA06_X_HERO2_FNL.jpg

UK press release click this
http://www.sony-europe.com/view/View.action?section=en_EU_Press&pressrelease=1140104311075&site=odw_en_EU&page=PressReleaseDetail

Mugen,
Where did you see the 46 inch only? I'd be very interested in a 40 inch X-series, especially if they kept the above design.

Anyone attending cebit that could dig for more info on this series? Danke!

in the pdf file press release it shows 46-inch on the 3rd page. im sure we will find out more info when the event start's and sony usa might have a press release also

So any ideas on the price?

There was a WSJ article a few weeks back about the Sony-Samsung plant and how Sony pushed Samsung to make better panels.

They also referred to Sony developing better backlight technology, which Samsung learned from.

Are these new Bravia X models using some exotic backlights?

price is around $5,000 for the 46 inch.

backling is new but i think it's still florescent

"Sony redesigned the panel backlight using improved light-emitting phosphors to boost the range of red and green in the spectrum. Precision-matched RGB filters in the screen make sure the increased colour range has the maximum impact on picture quality."

Hmm but phosphors have limited life.

Who's using the LEDs? DLP makers?

the only lcd flat panel tv on the market is the qualia 005, it costs way to much and this new X series is just as good if not better over all. samsung has some LED backlit projection tv's coming out.


remember this picture we were all trying to figure out
http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/1/46_bravia.jpg

well sony is making a 46 inch xbr

http://www.sony-europe.com/view/View.action?section=en_EU_Press&pressrelease=1140104310989&site=odw_en_EU&page=PressReleaseDetail

Just so I get this - is the 46" XBR a "V" series model? Does that make is not as good as an "X" model, non-XBR?

Or is it a matter of 720p like the 40"XBR vs. a 1080p

Or is it 2 HDMI's to 1

Or is it accpeting 1080i vs 1080p

I'm losin' it. I want a 46" XBR that 2 HDMI, and will take 1080p, so I can stop panel hunting. Which one am I talking about???

Thanks all!

sony X series is the one you want.

sony X series is the one you want.


Or SED if Toshiba and Canon ever deliver.

Just so I get this - is the 46" XBR a "V" series model? Does that make is not as good as an "X" model, non-XBR?

I believe Sony USA(as well as Canada) will name x-series XBR since it's Sony's flagship tv, Sony Europe doesn't use the word XBR just like Japan, so they just call them whatever series they belong to.

Thanks! This may be the one. I really like the 40" now, but I need more size. 50" really, but that means SXRD if I stick with Sony. The 46XBR will be the one if it handles sports motion. I guess I'll lurk on the 40" thread for a while...

I believe Sony USA(as well as Canada) will name x-series XBR since it's Sony's flagship tv, Sony Europe doesn't use the word XBR just like Japan, so they just call them whatever series they belong to.

Thanks! This may be the one. I really like the 40" now, but I need more size. 50" really, but that means SXRD if I stick with Sony. The 46XBR will be the one if it handles sports motion. I guess I'll lurk on the 40" thread for a while...

their are now 3 new 46 incher's. a 46" version of the current xbr and a new one called the X series and a 46" s2000 series. i don't see why sony can't call it the "X series" they have new tv's called s2000 series, and since their will be 3 different 46" sony's on the market it makes a lot of sense to do so.

Just a quick question, are the LCD screens made differently for television use than computer use? Is it difficult for them to make smaller 1080p(or i) screens or is there no market for them?

Thing really looks beautiful. I was instantly attracted to it. However, if it is more expensive than the 45" aquos 90 series in 1080P that may be a tough pill to swallow. I mean at $5000K, why don't I just get a pioneer elite 50"? Heck, for $4000 I can get a 50" Panny plasma. Its almost hard to justify the premium...we'll see. Anybody have a release date?

^^ I agree. I will have second thoughts about my planned 50" plasma purchase if this 46" can deliver fast response times and wide viewing angles similar to the plasmas. I'll pay the extra for a smaller screen knowing I won't have to worry one bit about image retention problems and full 1080P

Unbelievable!

There are now THREE 46 inch models to choose from:

S-Series

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/blackcyborg009/Sony%20BRAVIA%2046%20inch/SonyBRAVIA46inchS-Series.jpg

(also in Super Size View/Expanded Jumbo View)
http://www.sony-europe.com/content/attachment/BRAVIA06_S_HERO2_FNL.jpg

V-Series

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/blackcyborg009/Sony%20BRAVIA%2046%20inch/SonyBRAVIA46inchV-Series.jpg

(also in Super Size View/Expanded Jumbo View)
http://www.sony-europe.com/content/attachment/BRAVIA06_V_HERO2_FLIP.jpg

X-Series

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/blackcyborg009/Sony%20BRAVIA%2046%20inch/SonyBRAVIA46inchX-Series.jpg

(also in Super Size View/Expanded Jumbo View)
http://www.sony-europe.com/content/attachment/BRAVIA06_X_HERO2_FNL.jpg

Gotta buy 'em all!!! :p ;)

I hope it has a tuner and speakers, for a standalone TV. I like to have an "easy" setup for guests and old people, without using my surround stuff or Tivo. I was actually hoping for the V series design with the X series features, but I could give up the dust collecting grille as long as there were speakers... Are these the Eurpoean designs only?

yes the tv does have speakers, using some new surround sound technology. the design is new and some sony tv's are only for europe and japan only but this tv should still look the same if it comes here.

Excellent! Is the color of the plastic the same as the V series, the Sony black? The photos look silver-y -


yes the tv does have speakers, using some new surround sound technology. the design is new and some sony tv's are only for europe and japan only but this tv should still look the same if it comes here.

the plastic cover is silver like the new s2000 series, with glass around it and aluminum or stainless steel on the edge all the way around the tv

Any info on the release date for the US?
My house will be done in 4 months and I would like to have one for my family room.

q2 still stands as a date but q3 might be the actuall date :confused:

q2 still stands as a date but q3 might be the actuall date :confused:
Q2 sounds good. :) THANKS

What is the MSRP?

http://www.sonyproductinformatie.nl/200601/nl/detail.php?product=KDL46X2000

This link is from the Sony Nederland and at the bottom of the page it lists the input signals.

Input signal 1080i/720p/576p/576i/
480p/480i

:( It doesn't support 1080p.

It is the X series. 1920x1080i insted of a p

the tv does accept 1080p, it even says it in the europe press release. the old japan version even accepts 1080p

edited

the show on march 16th is called shoWest motion picture industry convention. i doubt anything will be said about this tv

Dose any one have any info on the dimensions for the 46"Bravia X.

from that nederlands link you gave it shows

w,h,d mm 1262 x 796 x 322


had to convert mm to inches.
w,h,d in 49.68,28.89,12.67

from that nederlands link you gave it shows

w,h,d mm 1262 x 796 x 322


had to convert mm to inches.
w,h,d in 49.68,28.89,12.67

I was hoping that the US model would be a little smaller. I can only fit 48" DAMN
The V and S series are under 48".

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060316/lath010.html?.v=45

the day i dont look for a sony press release they give one out :rolleyes: . 2nd half of 06 hmm. they really want some sony tv's that can accept their blu-ray player that is shipping in july. might have some more info about this tv tomorrow morning.

the day i dont look for a sony press release they give one out :rolleyes: . 2nd half of 06 hmm. they really want some sony tv's that can accept their blu-ray player that is shipping in july. might have some more info about this tv tomorrow morning.

Where do you get all the information from?

for this tv i would look for info here
http://news.sel.sony.com/homepage.adp

that yahoo industry biz link you posted is copyed from the official one at that site. click the lv'06 on the right side for all the products shown so far.

no info yet, if anyone went to the sony show yesterday maybe they could leak us some info :rolleyes: im going to call my dealer up they usually send people out to these kind of things

i was searching around and found the UK site has the kdl-46x2000 listed for a april release, also i converted the price in EURO's and i got $6,202 USD :eek: but a uk av site show's 4,128 USD, also a french web site that went to the cebit show says june release. still nothing about the us :(

uk site
http://www.sonycenter.lu/tv/kdl-46x2000-uk.php

pic of the tv at cebit show

http://www.itrnews.com/images/sonytps5.jpg

Any news yet on smaller model 1080p sets? I don't really want a 46". That's a little too big for my needs, and too expensive too.

I looks nice but once again the specs are showing 1920X1080i. The US model is supposed to be 1920X1080p. That might be the reason why it is delayed.

i have no idea how they show specs in europe, the tv that has been in japan for months now is 1080P and will be 1080p when it comes here. also the dealer i go to did send a few people to that show i might have info today or tomorrow.

Any news yet on smaller model 1080p sets? I don't really want a 46". That's a little too big for my needs, and too expensive too.I'm also interested in a smaller 1080p set. I got the impression from a post in another thread that there will probably be new XBR (V series) models in around six months time (when we start to see Bluray players and the PS3 etc). :)

the x series are the only 1080p bravia and we will probably only get a 46 inch version with maybe a 40 inch version.

the x series are the only 1080p bravia and we will probably only get a 46 inch version with maybe a 40 inch version.Mugen,
Personally, I'd be more interested in the 40 inch if the 46 inch is anywhere near $6000 :( .

However, europe is rumored to be getting both 40 and 52 inch :eek: versions of the X in September. You don't expect we'll see the latter make it over here?

the x series are the only 1080p bravia and we will probably only get a 46 inch version with maybe a 40 inch version.

46" 1080p lcd is exactly what I'm waiting for. I wish Sony would hurry up!

Does this panel have flourescent backlighting (not sure if my terminology is correct)?

Mugen,
Personally, I'd be more interested in the 40 inch if the 46 inch is anywhere near $6000 :( .

However, europe is rumored to be getting both 40 and 52 inch :eek: versions of the X in September. You don't expect we'll see the latter make it over here?

i have not heard of a 52 inch x series. the 40 inch looks like it is canceled for now. i would pick the 40 inch version too, but if they are only going to make the 46 inch version what can i do :(

yes it uses some sort of flourescent backlighting "live color creation" :rolleyes:

46" 1080p lcd is exactly what I'm waiting for. I wish Sony would hurry up!

Does this panel have flourescent backlighting (not sure if my terminology is correct)?

Yes. Sony is using a WCG-CCFL Wide Colour Gamut Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp.

Yes. Sony is using a WCG-CCFL Wide Colour Gamut Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp.

Sounds expensive to replace.

What is the rated service life?

Sounds expensive to replace.

What is the rated service life?

It all depends who makes them.

This manufacture is claiming 70 000 HRS.

http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11328363/Cold_Cathode_Fluorescent_Lamps_CCFL_.html

i have not heard of a 52 inch x series. the 40 inch looks like it is canceled for now. i would pick the 40 inch version too, but if they are only going to make the 46 inch version what can i do :(
If they make only the 46" version I likely won't buy it. I'd strongly consider a 40" if the price was reasonable.

i should have info about this tv tomorrow afternoon.

i don't know about that $6,000 price for the 46 inch, to compete in the market it would have to sell for $5,000 like the samsung tv which is similar coming out this august.

i should have info about this tv tomorrow afternoon.

i don't know about that $6,000 price for the 46 inch, to compete in the market it would have to sell for $5,000 like the samsung tv which is similar coming out this august.

I do not belive that the Samsung LCD is going to sell for the MSRP. If you look at Sharps 45"D40, it is selling for $ 1000 less that the MSRP. Before the year is over the prices are going to drop even more.

i have not heard of a 52 inch x series. the 40 inch looks like it is canceled for now. i would pick the 40 inch version too, but if they are only going to make the 46 inch version what can i do :(

yes it uses some sort of flourescent backlighting "live color creation" :rolleyes:

According to a user on the AV Forums there will be 40 and 52 inch models in September: http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308636&page=7

Does anyone know whether Sony is planning on having a feature like Panasonic's new HDAVI which allows different devices to communicate with each other through an HDMI cable?

Has anyone else heard of this? I hope it's not one of those $16,000 Sharp deals... I was still open to a 720p panel, but at that size 1080p and no looking back -

September is about as long as I can wait, October maybe.

i have not heard of this 52 inch anywhere. the next size up is 57 inch which samsung uses in their tv's which they will never produce :o
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edited

i copyed this from the that uk av forum, these tv's are actually from a sony brochure probably for dealers only.

Now the X range are gonna be the daddies these have replaced the W range.There will be a 40",46" and 52"

KDL-40x2000u,KDL-46x2000u,KDL-52x2000u

These will have a slightly better picture quality than the V range,will also have the WCG and they will have a floating glass effect round the screen.....but best of all these will be full hidef 1920x1080 with 2xhdmi 2xscart and 2xcomponent.
Pricewise 40" around £3k 46" around £4k and the 52" around £5k

so around this price's then
40"-3,659 USD
46"-4,878 USD
52"-6,098 USD

Sharp is the one that's coming out with a 52" lcd in the fall.

Would anyone know when the Sony X series LCD TVs will arrive in Australia/New Zealand? I'm particularly interested in the 40" model.

Now the X range are gonna be the daddies these have replaced the W range.There will be a 40",46" and 52"

KDL-40x2000u,KDL-46x2000u,KDL-52x2000u

... they will have a floating glass effect round the screen.....
Floating glass and 52" at 1300:1 :) :) :)

That will be a real killer package. Could give Sharp real fits, they do have a 52 on the way this fall.

Now, will Sony/Samsung deliver at this size ? We shall see.
Competition is good for us all :) :)

I'm a bit confused, which of these new Bravia models are part of the XBR line?

Thanks!

KDL-46x2000u . . .
Pricewise. . . 46" around £4k . . .
so around this price's then
46"-4,878 USD

There is a thread reporting from CEBIT. A poster there pointed to a French report which, translated, seemed to indicate the estimated price of the 46" around 6500 Euro which translates to about $7900

This set looks like what I've been holding out over three years for, but at that price I could just about pay off my mortgage. Please convince me your figure is more accurate!

Byrne

Edit: Actually, I just went back and rechecked the CEBIT thread and noticed it was posted by you! Down at the bottom of the page of the translated French site is "Characteristics of Series X" where I see the 6 500 figure. The symbol is not necessarily a Euro (didn't seem to translate) but what else would it be?

the highest price for this tv is $6,202 USD, listed at the french and uk site for the 46". the person at the uk av forum actually has a more realistic price of around $4,878 USD

also i will be talking to my dealer today about the X series.

Prices in £ or € cannot be directly translated into US$. The prices include various duties, taxes, and of course factor in local pricing differences.

For example, the Apple 30" Cinema Display's MSRP is $2499 in the US, but £1,799.00 (US$3159) in the UK and €2699 (US$3289) in France. That's a 26% and 32% difference respectively. Even if you remove VAT or HT, the pricing is £1531.06 (US$2689) and €2256.69 (US$2750). That's only an 8% and 10% difference respectively, but most pricing usually seems to include VAT/HT.

I suspect the pricing listed for the Sony Bravia X line may include VAT/HT. In other words, based on pre-order pricing I've seen on the 46" Bravia X I'd guess that the US pricing for the 46" Bravia X would be somewhere between US$4000 and US$4600, which seems to agree with a previous post quoting another UK AV site, although actual MSRP may be higher (and as high as $4999 for MSRP).

However, US$4300 is more than I want to spend on a TV, and 46" is bigger than I wanted anyways. Give me a 40" Bravia X for closer to ~US$3000 (~CAD$3500) and I may bite.

UK prices always include the VAT.

What you see on the ticket is what you pay at the checkout.

It's also worth remembering that Consumer Electronics tends to have it's own special $1=£1 exchange rate. :(

If the UK list price is £5000 I would expect it to translate as $5000 in the USA.

Nice thread. I just hope they release this 1080P X-series before the PS3 launches.
Thanks Mugen for the diligent digging on this matter! Does anyone know when the next sony conference is? The PS3 one is on March 22nd.

Nice thread. I just hope they release this 1080P X-series before the PS3 launches.
Thanks Mugen for the diligent digging on this matter! Does anyone know when the next sony conference is? The PS3 one is on March 22nd.
The 46" is scheduled for Q2. The 40" is supposedly scheduled for late Q3. The PS3 is scheduled for Q4.

I want a 37-42" 1080p screen and a PS3.

^^ If it's not delayed I can wait until the end of June to buy the X-series, if I like what I see. My feeling is the 720P plasmas may still look better. IMO, they look much better than the current SXRD's.

^^ If it's not delayed I can wait until the end of June to buy the X-series, if I like what I see. My feeling is the 720P plasmas may still look better. IMO, they look much better than the current SXRD's.

Which one are you saying looks better than the SXRD's, the plasma or the Bravias?

didnt' get to talk to my dealer he didnt work sunday, have to wait until tuesday night.

another reason why these tv's are coming out this summer besides blu-ray is the world cup in germany.

"Sony plans to triple its monthly LCD TV capacity in Europe to 3.5 million units before year-end, according to the Japanese-language Nihon Keizai Shimbun.
The company will also launch eight new LCD TV models next month, as the World Cup will take place this June in Germany, the paper said, adding the company had 16% of the LCD TV market in Europe this January, up from 10% in summer of 2005."

Which one are you saying looks better than the SXRD's, the plasma or the Bravias?

The plasmas look better than the SXRD's, IMO.
The new 1080P bravia's are pulling my heart strings because of the increased resolution and no worries about image retention. I just saw a 50" Plasma in an editing room with massive burn-in. the 4:3 bars were so burned on each side it made me sick.

Has Sony said how fast the new Bravia XBRs will be?

Article (http://www.techdigest.tv/2006/03/sony_reveals_br.html):

The S Series will be available in 26”, 32”, 42” and 46” sizes; each sports an integrated digital tuner and offers resolutions up to 1080i. They will be hitting shelves next month with the exception of the 46” model which is due in May.

The 32”, 42” and 46” V Series will be debuting in the UK in May.

The four S Series TVs should sell for around £1000, £1300, £2000 and £3000 respective to size and the three V Series for £1700, £2300 and £3500, again according to size.

EDIT:

So for the V series that's:

32": £1700
42": £2300
46": £3500

How much more would you expect the X series to be? If say ~20% more, that's:

32": £2040
42": £2760
46": £4200

Thus, perhaps my guess (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7335610&&#post7335610) of a US$4999 MSRP for the 46" Bravia X might just be in the right ballpark, give or take a few hundred US bux.

P.S. Wasn't it supposed to be a 40" and not a 42"?

P.S. Wasn't it supposed to be a 40" and not a 42"?I think that's a misprint, though I would love nothing more than to be wrong.
Same story in Stuff Magazine (regarding the S Series) (http://www.stuffmag.co.uk/hotstuffarticle.asp?de_id=1425)
The 26 (£1000), 32 (£1300) and 40 inch (£2000) versions will be rocking up in shops this next month. For the 46in behemoth, you’ll need to wait ‘til May and have £3K spare.

UK prices always include the VAT.

What you see on the ticket is what you pay at the checkout.

It's also worth remembering that Consumer Electronics tends to have it's own special $1=£1 exchange rate. :(

If the UK list price is £5000 I would expect it to translate as $5000 in the USA.A quick analysis on the MSRPs for both editions of the XBOX 360 yields £1=$1.42. Not sure if that holds up with more expensive products. I do like your axiom better though. ;)

Other than the extra HDMI, which is rather important, is the extra resolution of the X wasted on a viewing distance of 8-10 feet at 46"? For that distance, would it be better in any way to get a V series? I'm leaning toward the X, but I don't want to waste $$ either.

A quick analysis on the MSRPs for both editions of the XBOX 360 yields £1=$1.42. Not sure if that holds up with more expensive products. I do like your axiom better though. ;)
I find with bigger ticket items, the pricing is more variable. Note however that the US pricing does not include tax. While things are more expensive in the UK, it's not that bad because that UK pricing includes VAT already.

BTW, when I got my Toshiba CRT, it was US$3000 MSRP... and CAD$3000 MSRP too, despite the fact that the US dollar was worth something like 1.4X the Canadian dollar at the time IIRC. It's obvious that the companies price things at levels they feel the locals can swallow, and few people were interested in CAD$4200 CRTs I guess.

8 feet would be fine, 10 feet is a bit too far. For 12 feet, I would certainly go with the V series.


Other than the extra HDMI, which is rather important, is the extra resolution of the X wasted on a viewing distance of 8-10 feet at 46"? For that distance, would it be better in any way to get a V series? I'm leaning toward the X, but I don't want to waste $$ either.

Okay... I'm whipping out my slide rule...

£100 / 1.175 (VAT) * 1.75 (exchange rate) = $149* :confused:

*For entertainment purposes only.

Obviously other factors are at play so... assuming BuGsArEtAsTy and clayface-UK are correct then:

40" (or better yet 42") X Series would be about $2750 :D

and that would immeadiately par my shortlist down from 5 to 2 (Panny 42px60u being the 2nd)... if it shows up over here... by early fall... for near that price... and I can wait that long. :p

I'm confused on one thing... 46" XBR vs the 46" V series... they look very similar, yet not quite the same. The new V series seems thinner and has a different stand.

So if they are coming out with both, wouldn't that mean FOUR new 46" sets?

46" S series (the all greyish-silver model)
46" V series (the new, different XBR style and not 1080p)
46" XBR series (like the style that is currently available and also 1080p)
46" X series (the floating glass, 1080p model)


The V series:
http://www.digitaltechnews.com/photos/uncategorized/sony_bravia_v_tv.jpg

The XBR series:
http://www.continent.com.au/images/products/SNY0715.gif

Will the 52 inch model be exclusive to the flagship X-series lineup???

In simpler terms, will there also be a 52 inch for the V and S series or not?

Thanks in advance.

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/893/sonybravia2va.th.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sonybravia2va.jpg)

Isn't this the new V series? Looks a lot like the S series (plastic all around the front, even over the speakers) only with a dark grey case.

I think the new XBR series is slightly different than the current model- a thinner border around the screen and different pedestal. the v-series in fireballz's post seems to show the updated XBR. The silver band across the top of the speakers and the fabric speaker covers are design elements that distinguish the xbr from the other models.

it is confusing bec. a lot of us already refer to the current XBR sets as V-series.

I don't think anyone has confirmed a 52" yet. Also, won't the fabric speaker covering get really dusty? Any way to prevent that? That's the only think that I don't like about the XBR, but it is still the most attractive design of the three.

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/893/sonybravia2va.th.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sonybravia2va.jpg)

Isn't this the new V series? Looks a lot like the S series (plastic all around the front, even over the speakers) only with a dark grey case.

I think the new XBR series is slightly different than the current model- a thinner border around the screen and different pedestal. the v-series in fireballz's post seems to show the updated XBR. The silver band across the top of the speakers and the fabric speaker covers are design elements that distinguish the xbr from the other models.

it is confusing bec. a lot of us already refer to the current XBR sets as V-series.


Man, now I'm really confused by this "V" series. Is that only going to be in Europe? The "XBR" model is "KDL-V40XBR1". What is the full model number of this "V" series? Just when I thought I had it all figured out...

the 52" X series is confirmed for a september release in europe. no official word yet about any X series in the USA. more waiting i guess :(

Crap!!! Will it be under $6K?

the 52" X series is confirmed for a september release in europe. no official word yet about any X series in the USA. more waiting i guess :(

around $6,000 i guess, under i doubt it. have to wait and see

The XBR is a great TV, but Sony should consider coming down off their highhorse on those prices.

Sharp has a really great 45" LCD that just came out with MSRP of $3,500 (see it now selling - mostly pre-order - for quite a bit less at some online retail sites), and I'm personally waiting for reviews on that. Firsthand reports are indicating PQ equal to the XBR. Toshiba has a 47" coming out later this year as well.

Lots of competition in the 45"+ size range, and that means MSRP must drop if the sets are similar PQ. I would rather have the Sony, but that much of a price difference will be very hard for anyone to ignore.

The XBR is a great TV, but Sony should consider coming down off their highhorse on those prices.

Sharp has a really great 45" LCD that just came out with MSRP of $3,500 (see it now selling - mostly pre-order - for quite a bit less at some online retail sites), and I'm personally waiting for reviews on that. Firsthand reports are indicating PQ equal to the XBR. Toshiba has a 47" coming out later this year as well.

Lots of competition in the 45"+ size range, and that means MSRP must drop if the sets are similar PQ. I would rather have the Sony, but that much of a price difference will be very hard for anyone to ignore.

I agree with you. The 45"+ 1080p displays are way over priced for now but by the end of the year they will be selling for $ 1500+ less than the MSRP.

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Sharp has a really great 45" LCD that just came out with MSRP of $3,500 (see it now selling - mostly pre-order - for quite a bit less at some online retail sites), and I'm personally waiting for reviews on that. Firsthand reports are indicating PQ equal to the XBR. Toshiba has a 47" coming out later this year as well.


for those that are unaware, that sharp 45" (d40) that has just come out doesn't do 1080p. the 45" d90 was going to support 1080p, but it is no longer going to be released.

from what i have gathered from another thread on this site, sharp will be releasing a 52" panel in its place that does support 1080p.

i intend to use the panel as a monitor as well, so i'm holding out for one of these.

Jumped in and ordered the 46' S series LCD today. Delivery states May, I hope closer to the 1st than 31st.

I was hoping someone could suggest a wall mount for this unit. It will be going in a corner and with my 8 and 6 year olds I really want to secure it to a wall, not free standing.

Any help on how to get this hooked to the wall would be very much appreciated.

Mac

Im slightly confused about sizes and release. Will there be a 40" 1080p LCD released as there has been in Japan? Also what is the ETA, Ive heard May, then Ive heard Fall. TIA

There are rumors there will be a 1080p 40-inch X Series coming out in September.

There are rumors there will be a 1080p 40-inch X Series coming out in September.
Can you relay where you heard this? I was almost ready to buy the 40" 720p XBR, but if it's just a matter of a few more months I would rather wait as opposed to buying a 720p set now only to wind up regretting it once I see the 1080p models.

Now to just pray that it won't cost $4000+.

I think that the 1080p XBR will be out before september. What is the point of selling a Blue-Ray player if they do not have a display that matches it resolution. As far is I know Samsungs LN-S4696D will be out in late June and Sony is using the same panels as Samsung.

we have no prices, dates, or even what sizes for the usa yet. its pretty much rumors and guessing now. we all have to wait until sony shows something on the sony news site

the LN-S4696D and the 40 inch version is set for august release, as shown in a samsung press release.

I'm pretty much over waiting for Sony to do something. I think I'll just buy the Pioneer Elite Pro and start enjoying it now. I've been waiting for these new Sonys for months. Any Sony employees lurking here? How about a little info for people who are trying to be your customers? Is your marketing department completely broken?

. . . Is your marketing department completely broken?
I'm antsy too- been waiting more than a couple of years for HD to develop specs for my tastes. But I suspect it's a delicate matter for companies to actively promote future stock while hoping to clear inventories of current models. (At least I hope that's the reason for the dearth of info versus working bugs out of the design.) Must be a delicate business announcing new product in such a dynamically changing industry.

Byrne

I'm antsy too- been waiting more than a couple of years for HD to develop specs for my tastes. But I suspect it's a delicate matter for companies to actively promote future stock while hoping to clear inventories of current models. (At least I hope that's the reason for the dearth of info versus working bugs out of the design.) Must be a delicate business announcing new product in such a dynamically changing industry.

Byrne
Sony seems to only give a month or two worth of delay from the announcement of new models to when they actually ship so we probably won't hear about them until it is almost time to go. Plus, as Damol1 mentioned, with Sony releasing their Blu-Ray players it doesn't seem fitting that they would hold back their 1080p displays for any signioficant length of time following the Blu-Ray launch. People will want a 1080p TV to complement their 1080p player and Sony had better have a product out there lest these people be driven to Sharp or Samsung.

I'll be having my 46" X series installed 4/9. I'm in Tokyo, and the price was ¥500,000 or roughly $4255 at today's spot level. My dealer says they have been selling quite well. He was trying to push me on the Panny 65" but it was way too big for my wall. Anyways, will let you all know how it is!

Greetings. I attended the Sony show at Ceasar's a few weeks ago. If you have any questions, fire away....

I can tell you that the KDL-46S2000 looks terrific and I'm buying one personally when it releases in late April/early May.

BJ

Greetings. I attended the Sony show at Ceasar's a few weeks ago. If you have any questions, fire away...BJ
I'm sure I'm not the only follower of this thread interested in any news of the new Bravia X series (46" in my case), especially when (US), how much and which sizes.
Thanks,
Byrne

I'm sure I'm not the only follower of this thread interested in any news of the new Bravia X series (46" in my case), especially when (US), how much and which sizes.
Thanks,
Byrne

Same here....46" X series.

Thanks.

Okay....I've got three spec sheets from Sony of the three new 46" LCD TV's they're introducing in the next few months.

What info do you want? Be specific....

BJ

Okay....I've got three spec sheets from Sony of the three new 46" LCD TV's they're introducing in the next few months.

What info do you want? Be specific....

BJ

46" V series XBR: Response Time & # of HDMI inputs, cablecard version?

46" X series - Response time, and Cablecard version?

Both: list price

Thanks!

Okay....I've got three spec sheets from Sony of the three new 46" LCD TV's they're introducing in the next few months.

What info do you want? Be specific....

BJ

Re: 46" X Series: Is the spec sheet for the US model? Is it 1080p? Does it mention flourescent backlighting?

Thank you!

46" V series XBR: Response Time & # of HDMI inputs, cablecard version?

46" X series - Response time, and Cablecard version?

Both: list price

Thanks!

First off, there are three models:

KDL-46S2000 $3995
KDL-46V2000 Price TBD
KDLX-X46XBR2 Price TBD

On response time: Not listed on these prelim sheets; 8ms is listed on the S.

On the V series, it's not listed as an XBR model, but it is 1080p. 1920x1080. Has 2 HDMI inputs.

On the X series: 1080p. 1920x1080. Has 2 HDMI inputs.

BJ

Re: 46" X Series: Is the spec sheet for the US model? Is it 1080p? Does it mention flourescent backlighting?

Thank you!

Yes, US model.

Both the V and the X are 1080p. 1920x1080. Have 2 HDMI inputs.

Both the V and the X mention "Live Color Creation Backlight" (WCG-CCFL).

The S is 1366x768 and has 1 HDMI input.

BJ

On the V series, it's not listed as an XBR model, but it is 1080p. 1920x1080. Has 2 HDMI inputs.

On the X series: 1080p. 1920x1080. Has 2 HDMI inputs.

BJ

Wow. I really want an XBR model.I know, stupid hang-up, but that's how I feel. I hope the XBR2 looks like this year's XBR. If the V is 1080p, I wonder what the differences could possibly be. I don't like the silver color of the Japanese X model. Love the look of the current XBR. Any pic's you could look at to tell?

Wow. I really want an XBR model.I know, stupid hang-up, but that's how I feel. I hope the XBR2 looks like this year's XBR. If the V is 1080p, I wonder what the differences could possibly be. I don't like the silver color of the Japanese X model. Love the look of the current XBR. Any pic's you could look at to tell?

No photos, but the V has a "space saving bottom speaker design" and the X has a "floating glass design".

BJ

Any information on the 1080p 40inch?

It really sounds like the V is the XBR 'like' 46 inch beaut. The big surprise it that I didn't think the V would be 1080p, this is great news.
So...the V has the look I love (I believe) the specs I adore (1080p) and 2 x HDMI.

Hmm...this leads me to ask, what are the technical differences between the V and X then? I initally thought Sony were holding onto the 1080p for he X model, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Could it be that the only differnence between the V and X is in the packaging? Is that why the X is being called the XBR2, as you detail?

Lots of questions...any comments?

Cheers,
Eric

Could it be that the only differnence between the V and X is in the packaging? Is that why the X is being called the XBR2, as you detail?
Cheers,
Eric

Didn't Sony at one time have RP XBR's and XBR2's at the same time? Maybe that's the case this time? (Fingers crossed).

I'll pad my wish a little - maybe XBR2 adds PIP and a DVI, and anything else I don't care about, while the XBR has equal specs otherwise, and the better design?

I do not mean to question you, but are you sure about reading that the V will be 1080p?

I did a quick google on the model number you sent and a european website lists only the X as having 1080p.

I know they could change things for the US market, but just thought I would mention it anyway.

Cheers,
Eric

The V-series announced early in March in Europe is not 1080p. Also, the X series announced was an X2000 versus the XBR.

Would Sony tweak models this much for the US market? I've seen the S2000 in stores already but no V2000's. Maybe they've reevaluated the market in terms of demand for 1080p?

Byrne

I do not mean to question you, but are you sure about reading that the V will be 1080p?

I did a quick google on the model number you sent and a european website lists only the X as having 1080p.

I know they could change things for the US market, but just thought I would mention it anyway.

Cheers,
Eric

The V sheet mentions 1080p three times, so methinks its meant to be there.

BJ

Any information on the 1080p 40inch?

Didn't get ahold of 40 inch info. Sorry.

BJ

So what then, are the major technical differences between the V and X, in your opinion, looking at the spec sheets side by side?

Thanks,
Eric

It really sounds like the V is the XBR 'like' 46 inch beaut. The big surprise it that I didn't think the V would be 1080p, this is great news.
So...the V has the look I love (I believe) the specs I adore (1080p) and 2 x HDMI.

Hmm...this leads me to ask, what are the technical differences between the V and X then? I initally thought Sony were holding onto the 1080p for he X model, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Could it be that the only differnence between the V and X is in the packaging? Is that why the X is being called the XBR2, as you detail?

Lots of questions...any comments?

Cheers,
Eric

Here are the areas of differentiation as far as I can tell from the info:

V is Bravia Engine. X is Bravia Engine Pro.

HDMI Inputs....both list 2, but the X says 1080p whereas the V does not. The V does say 1080p in regards to the panel, but suspiciously does not say 1080p regarding the HDMI inputs.

V has BBE Audio. X has SRS TruSurround.

Those are the differences. The commonaltities are:

Backlight, ATSC Tuner, Picture Freeze, Sleep Timer, PC Input (1), Component Video (2), S Video (2), Composite Video (3).

BJ

Folks....now some questions for you:

I was leaning towards the S, but can someone let me know why I would spend the extra money on the V or the X?

How important is that specific type of CCFL backlighting?

If I do not have any need for 1080p, is there a downside to having 1920x1080 vs the S's 1366x768? Or does 1920x1080 look better even if I have no 'p' going into it?

Thanks.

BJ

Thanks for the great info.

Sounds like the V might not be able to take an 1080p input signal, say from a Blu-ray device or the like?

Bravia Engine vs. Bravia Engine Pro: Wonder what the difs are if both are 1080p?

I still like the V series and if it can match the pq of the current crop of XBR's and add 1080p, I'll be a happy camper

Eric

I'm with you, Eric - if that X was black though...

Do you think the bottom speaker cloth on the V's will get all dusty and cruddy? Might be an advantage of the all-plastic X setup.

the X has a "floating glass design".

BJ

Me like.....

Thanks for all the great information!

Me like.....

Thanks for all the great information!

Can you guys answer my questions now.....please?

BJ

Can you guys answer my questions now.....please?

BJ

Well, if you're not hooking up a PC, the resolution of the S would be plenty fine at regular TV distances (not 4 feet away). I've heard 40" S users comment that black levels on the S are as good as the current XBR, so the backlight is probably a wash as well.

Dan

Folks....now some questions for you:
. . .Or does 1920x1080 look better even if I have no 'p' going into it?
Thanks for keeping us updated, this is news for US wait-a-holics.

Most of the networks broadcast in 1080i (Fox and, I think, ABC broadcast 720p). This should mean no scaling necessary to fit the picture on the screen and should result in a cleaner, sharper image. Should, that is, if the scaling hardware and software are engineered well (I'm trusting Sony on this). And, of course, if you are sitting close enough to appreciate the clarity. There's a thread on this forum entitled "The 1080 Fact Sheet" (or close to it) that will get you up to geek speed on this if you're interested.

I'm hoping that 1080 can also make standard definition look better (something alluded to in a Sony quasi-technical paper on their new X-series).

Byrne

I can tell you why 'I' will wait for the V over the S, but I am no expert and thus will leave the technical reasoning to others more qualified.

1) I simply love the look and feel of the current XBR's ( and thus the V). Even more importantly, so does my wife :). Since she has to approve spending this much money, that is important. The basic look of the S just don't match the sharp professional look of the current XBR's in my opinion. So if the V has the same covers as the current XBR's that a real plus, for me.

2) Cablecard. The S does not have a slot for one and the V does. I know the technology is not perfect (yet) but with a wall mount I really like the idea of not having to worry about a STB.

3) PQ. While I don't know what the pq difference will be, I have to think that it will be a step up from the S?

4) Future proofing (1080p). Although there may be no one broadcasting 1080p right now, there will be one day. I don't fancy spending perhas $5K on a product and feel that I'm 'out-of-date' in 12 to 24 months. I'd like to think this LCD will do me right for the next 5 years minimum, if not way longer.

For what its worth :)

Cheers,
Eric

Thanks for keeping us updated, this is news for US wait-a-holics.

Most of the networks broadcast in 1080i (Fox and, I think, ABC broadcast 720p). This should mean no scaling necessary to fit the picture on the screen and should result in a cleaner, sharper image. Should, that is, if the scaling hardware and software are engineered well (I'm trusting Sony on this). And, of course, if you are sitting close enough to appreciate the clarity. There's a thread on this forum entitled "The 1080 Fact Sheet" (or close to it) that will get you up to geek speed on this if you're interested.

I'm hoping that 1080 can also make standard definition look better (something alluded to in a Sony quasi-technical paper on their new X-series).

Byrne

The V or the X would have a better picture on broadcast HD......I get that (thank you for the explanation).

Now, for the inverse: For standard 4:3 coming off of DirecTV and/or progressive scan DVD, would the picture potentially be worse because the native resolution of the screen is even that-much-more superior?

BJ

Well, if you're not hooking up a PC, the resolution of the S would be plenty fine at regular TV distances (not 4 feet away). I've heard 40" S users comment that black levels on the S are as good as the current XBR, so the backlight is probably a wash as well.

Dan

Regarding the PC connectivity, two things:

1. The Sony spec says "...the PCD Input (HD 15 pin) offers easy connection...". To what do I plug this into? Is it my PC's computer monitor port plug as if I'm plugging into a giant flatscreen monitor? Or is it another thing entirely?

2. The only reason I'd ever plug my notebook into the LCD TV is for iTunes when I'm hosting a party. Would be very cool to fire up a playlist and have the iTunes visualizer with the LP thumbnail and artist name on a 46" screen. Are you saying that the S series wouldn't have as crystal-clear a picture as a V or an X?

Thanks.

BJ

I can tell you why 'I' will wait for the V over the S, but I am no expert and thus will leave the technical reasoning to others more qualified.

1) I simply love the look and feel of the current XBR's ( and thus the V). Even more importantly, so does my wife :). Since she has to approve spending this much money, that is important. The basic look of the S just don't match the sharp professional look of the current XBR's in my opinion. So if the V has the same covers as the current XBR's that a real plus, for me.


Cheers,
Eric

The current XBR being the black case with the silver trim?

BJ

The current XBR being the black case with the silver trim?

BJ

Correct.

The V or the X would have a better picture on broadcast HD......I get that (thank you for the explanation).

BJ

Actually, I don't get that.

Does the higher resolution of 1920x1080 have a visible impact to 1080i or 720p broadcasts? In other words, if I never have any 1080p content going to the panel, will 1080i or 720p look better/worse than 1080i or 720p going to the S's 1366x768?

I guess I understand the benefit of future 1080p compatibility, but I don't understand if out-of-the-box the 1920x1080 panel will look better than a 1366x768 panel for 1080i or 720p.

Thanks.

BJ

. . .For standard 4:3 coming off of DirecTV and/or progressive scan DVD, would the picture potentially be worse because the native resolution of the screen is even that-much-more superior?
Some folks have argued this but the 1080's are just arriving. My optimism stems from three sources:
— I've been following the Official JVC LT-40FH96 thread and owners seem, for the most part, pretty happy with its rendition of SD. (The new version comming out, promising 1080p inputs, is the other contender for my money.)
— Sony touted the SD capability of the new 1080's in the "quasi-technical" press release I refered to earlier (you might try a search for "Bravia X", I downloaded but did no bookmark).
— I'm thinking (or wishful thinking) that 1080 lines allows you to double the 480 of SD with some left over. At least from my experience with animation and graphics (I'm no engineer mind you), it is easier to apply smoothing algorithms to binary multiples (i.e., 2X). This, if true, would be a bold proposition because it would leave thin bars top and bottom as well as sides. I'd settle for that for a nice SD picture. (Of course, this is mostly idle speculation on my part. I don't practice science but I do teach it. This gives me license to run a long way with a little bit of fact.)

Byrne

Some folks have argued this but the 1080's are just arriving. My optimism stems from three sources:
— I've been following the Official JVC LT-40FH96 thread and owners seem, for the most part, pretty happy with its rendition of SD. (The new version comming out, promising 1080p inputs, is the other contender for my money.)
— Sony touted the SD capability of the new 1080's in the "quasi-technical" press release I refered to earlier (you might try a search for "Bravia X", I downloaded but did no bookmark).
— I'm thinking (or wishful thinking) that 1080 lines allows you to double the 480 of SD with some left over. At least from my experience with animation and graphics (I'm no engineer mind you), it is easier to apply smoothing algorithms to binary multiples (i.e., 2X). This, if true, would be a bold proposition because it would leave thin bars top and bottom as well as sides. I'd settle for that for a nice SD picture. (Of course, this is mostly idle speculation on my part. I don't practice science but I do teach it. This gives me license to run a long way with a little bit of fact.)

Byrne

Thanks. Let me see if I can find that article.

BJ

I'm going to be buying a HR10-250 DirecTV Tivo box for the new LCD. Anyone know if this box is even capable of 1080p type resolution before I succumb to the V series?

BJ

Actually, I don't get that.
Does the higher resolution of 1920x1080 have a visible impact to 1080i or 720p broadcasts? In other words, if I never have any 1080p content going to the panel, will 1080i or 720p look better/worse than 1080i or 720p going to the S's 1366x768?
I guess I understand the benefit of future 1080p compatibility, but I don't understand if out-of-the-box the 1920x1080 panel will look better than a 1366x768 panel for 1080i or 720p Thanks.

The 1080 lines of the Sony's we're discussing should show a better image for either a 1080p or a 1080i (broadcast of most stations) source assuming Sony takes the logical route of mapping the input pixels 1:1 to the screen pixels (I trust they will). The effect of the progressive versus interlaced is a timing issue (60 frames per second versus 30 fps).

On the other hand, when a 1080 source (p or i) is mapped onto a 720 (or 768) line screen, the 1080 has to be downsized. I've read that what happens, at least in many existing sets, is the 1080 is sized down to 540 then upsized to 720. Not sure how the Sony handles it. Not sure how 720 is upsized for a 1080 display. There's a good chance that a 720 display will handle a 720 broadcast better, again if the pixels are mapped 1:1. Movies are a bigger use of my viewing time so this heightens my interest in 1080.

But again, viewing distance can resolve a lot of these image quality issues we're discussing. Will I actually notice the difference at eight feet away from my 46" between a 720 and a 1080? Probably borderline (but the price of perfection!); it would undoubtedly not be noticed at 10 or 12 feet. (However, I'm not sure if I subscribe to "visual acuity" being the only deciding factor.)

Would I be happy with a 720 Bravia? I watched a chunk of the Olympics on my sister's 32" Bravia- I didn't want to go home.

Byrne

Okay....I've got three spec sheets from Sony of the three new 46" LCD TV's they're introducing in the next few months.

What info do you want? Be specific....

BJ

Thanks much... Great info. Can you scan these and post 'em?

Thanks for the info boltjames. :)

Yeah, can the spec sheets be scanned or perhaps faxed to folks who are interested?

Cheers,
Eric

Found these pictures of the new models on the Japanese sony site, you can see the V and X models, I can't wait till we see em here! I couldn't put the URL in, but go to jp.sonystyle and look around.

Found these pictures of the new models on the Japanese sony site, you can see the V and X models, I can't wait till we see em here! I couldn't put the URL in, but go to jp.sonystyle and look around.

the X series on the japan site is the old model, the new model is a few pages back it is really huge too. i read a post about black plastic around the X series, its a dark silver like the s2000 ones.

a 1080p v series, i don't want to put everyone down here but i don't see this happening since where it was debuted at a show it said 768p. sony would not make a hole tv just for the us. also it was shown with 1 hdmi.

boltjames do you have any dates for these tv's or is it just the next few months, we usually will have to wait for a show or press release for this info.

i know a lot are wondering about wega engine pro :confused: well let me fill you i am on what i think it is and im pretty sure too. it is called Digital Reality Creation Multifunction v2 (DRC-MFv2), it converts everything to 1080p and i don't know if its that or some other chip for the tv but the qualia 005 and also it is in the qualia 006 and other qulia only products that also has this same chip in it, but it has a ton of options to get the picture set up just right from a clear white option to drc option where you can smooth and sharpen the picture at the same time. this will be a very good option if you watch a lot of SD tv or non upscaled dvds.

heres a pic of the chips
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20050914/sony2_10.jpg

thanks for the new info

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/893/sonybravia2va.th.jpg (http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sonybravia2va.jpg)



Naah, it's probably just some new S series with some distortion (check the black spots below).

that picture has bad lighting.

That board looks like a PS2 LOL!

Boltjames-

I would hold off on buying the HDTvio, wait till the Mpeg4 DVR (H20) comes out this summer. But no it wont have 1080p, doubt well see that on Satellite within this decade.

. . .a 1080p v series, i don't want to put everyone down here but i don't see this happening since where it was debuted at a show it said 768p. sony would not make a hole tv just for the us. also it was shown with 1 hdmi.
The 46" V Series Sony is being offered as an pre-sale item on the European Sony web store:
http://shop.sonystyle-europe.com/SonyStyle/b2c/init.do;jsessionid=ID3003DB0.34216184330923827End;sapj2ee_*= 3003?shop=SST_GB_EN
It is listed as a 768 with 1 HDMI as quoted above, shipping in May. Still no offerngs of the X series.

Byrne

T Still no offerngs of the X series.

Byrne
But at least they mention it. "Comming Soon!" Couldn't give the address since I don't have enough posts.

Ray

That board looks like a PS2 LOL!

Boltjames-

I would hold off on buying the HDTvio, wait till the Mpeg4 DVR (H20) comes out this summer. But no it wont have 1080p, doubt well see that on Satellite within this decade.

I'm really a Tivo freak, so if the DVR isn't Tivo I don't know if I'll be as happy.

If I do buy the existing DTV-Tivo that's not MP4, is there a chance it'll not be able to receive an HD signal at all from DTV? I don't mind being a little behind-the-times with the DTV-Tivo, but I'd feel really stupid if after a year it just wouldn't receive any HD content.

Let me know....

Thanks.

BJ

boltjames do you have any dates for these tv's or is it just the next few months, we usually will have to wait for a show or press release for this info.

thanks for the new info

I'll get the dates next week (and some other details) and post back. I know that the S will be out around 5/14. Not sure about the V and X.

BJ

Is the new V series better than the current XBRs?

Is the new V series better than the current XBRs?

From what I've read so far, they're the same -

I'll be having my 46" X series installed 4/9. I'm in Tokyo, and the price was ¥500,000 or roughly $4255 at today's spot level. My dealer says they have been selling quite well. He was trying to push me on the Panny 65" but it was way too big for my wall. Anyways, will let you all know how it is!

Can you give us your impressions?

i was bored this morning and checked the product support listing on the sony support website and found something great!

these must be the X series

KDL-40XBR2
KDL-46XBR2
KDL-52XBR2

and these 2 models must be the new version of the V series with live color creation and bravia engine, both of these models have 1 hdmi as shown on the japan site.

KDL-V40XBR2
KDL-V46XBR2

and if you don't believe me then look for yourself :eek:

http://www.sony.com/support

52" WOW. My guess is we will see these sets by fall - September.

my guess is the 46" x series will come out early summer then the 40 and 52 will come out in early fall, just kind of following the europe release dates.

I thought so too... but there is a new Bravia FAQ in a european forum that expects the 40" X series in June and the 46" in September.

I thought so too... but there is a new Bravia FAQ in a european forum that expects the 40" X series in June and the 46" in September.
yep i just copied that but gave it seasoned dates :o

I think you've got them reversed then... you had said the 46" in summer and the 40" and 52" in fall?

What the best guess on the price of a 52"?

I think you've got them reversed then... you had said the 46" in summer and the 40" and 52" in fall?

actually you have it reversed, i read your post to quick i guess, that european website link has been posted in this thread a few pages back so i know what you are talking about.

What the best guess on the price of a 52"?

you will have to wait like everyone else for a price on any of these tv's :(

a wild guess from converting euros is around $6,000 not bad i think ;)

actually you have it reversed, i read your post to quick i guess, that european website link has been posted in this thread a few pages back so i know what you are talking about.

you will have to wait like everyone else for a price on any of these tv's :(

a wild guess from converting euros is around $6,000 not bad i think ;)


Tomorrow I expect to have answers to all of these questions, including the 1:1 mapping of 1080 signals on the V.

BJ

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/11/sony-bravia-s2000-v2000-720p-hd-lines-continue-expansion/

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/11/sony-bravia-s2000-v2000-720p-hd-lines-continue-expansion/
No mention of the X series.

actually you have it reversed, i read your post to quick i guess, that european website link has been posted in this thread a few pages back so i know what you are talking about.

Same forum different thread. I had also thought the 46" would be first out but then I saw this from a FAQ created by one of their members.

Sony BRAVIA LCD TV FAQ (Euro versions) (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=328368)

Q: When are the new "2000" models coming out?
A: They should be available from April-May onwards. The 40" X-series model is expected in June and the 46" in September.
Of course that could be inaccurate and I'm guessing it is (and hoping its not). Maybe boltjames can clear things up soon.

Calling for Boltjames. We are all waiting for the info you promised :)