Monoprice Cables? [Text View]

s002wjh

01-13-06, 12:59 PM

chmilar

01-13-06, 02:13 PM

I have monoprice HDMI, DVI, and TOSlink cables.

The quality is superior to Monster Cable (but it doesn't have fancy colored plastic on the connectors - just plain black).

sfhub

01-13-06, 02:22 PM

i ask some staff at audioholic, here is what they say about HDMI cable at monoprice. 5gbs on their spec, give me a break. here is a more reasonable transfer rate at dvigear http://www2.dvigear.com/hdlowcoca.html

""No copper cables (without enhancement circuitry or boosters) currently works past 12.5 meters at 1080p, so yes those are a scam.

We will get into testing HDMI and DVI cables this year so look out for some eye opening results!"""
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>Message: Hi, I saw these HDMI cable from http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&style=
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>it seem their specs is too good to be true for the price. Is it possible for you guys to test these cables and give a review on it?? Or if any of audioholic staff have info on the quility of these cables please let me know too thanks alot??
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How is this a scam? Monoprice indicates all the cables are certified up to the 33ft model.

12.5M that you are looking for is 41ft. The only cable monoprice carries close to what you want is 50ft. They do not list it as certified.

Re: 5Gbps, it could easily be tom-ae-toh tom-ah-toh. There are 3 AV data lines in the HDMI connector, each of which can carry 1.65Gbps. 1.65*3 is 4.95Gbps.

If you've been in this industry, you know that specs have a range where they are known to work and outside this range stuff may or may not work reliably. Fringe cases. These cables may or may not work depending on equipment and how good their TMDS transmitters are.

The nice thing about monoprice policies are you have 21 days to try out the cables and see if they work. There is no restocking fee, so all you lose is the shipping. If you find the cables work or don't work, please be sure to update the user comments. Also please tell monoprice. In my experience they are very responsive to customers and they don't want to sell products using descriptions that are not accurate.

DAB

01-13-06, 03:06 PM

Here is my personal observation. I just purchased from MonoPrice--2 -10ft HDMI- 28 awg cables, with Ferrite cores. @ $9 each, I then went out and purchased a Monster 6.5' HDMI cable @$135. I have brand new NEC XR5 Plasma. I could not see any difference in PQ between the two different cables. Either in Dark or Bright Day light conditions.
So, the hat goes to Monoprice... well Yes and no!
The MP cables are well build and have a protected covering over them including Ferrite Cores (FC) on either end. My issues, the HDMI connector to my Comcast HD DVD box is very loses and does not fit properly and slips out often{my buddy who has the same box and the other MP cable said the same thing}. The Monster HDMI cable fits find.
Both Monster & MP HDMI cables fit fine into the xr5. However, w/ MP's FC and stiffer cable with a Side input bending it rounds to the back of the plasma cause some fitting issues.
, if one had a bottom input to plasma the weight of the FC might be too much and cause it to fall out. However, this is just speculation.
I order my cables on Tuesday morning and had them Wed. morning....
db

s002wjh

01-13-06, 04:42 PM

i'm sure it can run 1080 i/p short distance, but what i'm talking about is long distance. but of course i won't know for sure after it is been test it and reviewed!!

Gandu

01-14-06, 12:47 AM

Just wanted to pile on. Ordered HDMI cable Tuesday night, arrived Thursday by noon. The picture quality is stunning. The guys at Monoprice just seem to "get it". Sell me something that works as advertised, at a good price and deliver it quickly.

bfoster

01-14-06, 01:03 AM

i'm sure it can run 1080 i/p short distance, but what i'm talking about is long distance. but of course i won't know for sure after it is been test it and reviewed!!

Then why would you blast a sponsor as a scam? Like has been posted there is a 21 day return window, test it yourself.

Satmeister

01-14-06, 08:56 AM

Just ordered and received 3 pairs of cables - 2 HDMI to DVI, 2 Component, and 2 Toslink. All work well.

All three set of cables are well made. Ordering and delivery from MONOPRICE was easy and on time.

It's nice to know there are still a few companies left that can deliver quality, service, and value. The Monster folks better take notice with their gouging price model, or else these guys will knock them off the planet!

Kudos to MONOPRICE!

Polish Hammer

01-16-06, 05:46 PM

Can someone give me an idea as to how Monoprice cables compare to the ones at bluejeanscable in terms of quality? The pricing I can check out on my own. Also, I will at one point have to do a 30-35 foot run of DVI, so let me know if that factors in.

Polish Hammer

01-17-06, 10:22 AM

Any insight from anyone?

s002wjh

01-17-06, 12:39 PM

Then why would you blast a sponsor as a scam? Like has been posted there is a 21 day return window, test it yourself.

I didn't post as scam, if you want blame, blame on audioholic staff, i just post the email that they send to me!!

like i said i'm sure the cable is fine for short distance, but what about long distance.

Also few days ago the cable was said to be 1080p certified, but now its 1080i without certified. so either they change the cable, which doesn't seem to be or they lie about the 1080p certified part!!! and look like audioholic was right about that part though. send an email to them if you have doubts.

here is the new description of the HDMI cables

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&style=

bfoster

01-17-06, 12:54 PM

You posted it.

s002wjh

01-17-06, 01:10 PM

You posted it.

READ my 1st post. I said I ask audioholic for opinons here is what they said

"No copper cables (without enhancement circuitry or boosters) currently works past 12.5 meters at 1080p, so yes those are a scam.

We will get into testing HDMI and DVI cables this year so look out for some eye opening results!"""
--
Clint DeBoer
Editor-in-Chief

also if you check monoprice for the cable, it is said 1080i now instead certified 1080p HDMI cable. if they indeed sell the same cable as last week then they lied about the certified 1080p part, which I consider to be a scam!! Also last week I check their websit they said the cable is able to pass 5gbs, I don't think anything can run in the range of 5gbs, you are talking about 5GHz. For the other poster said there is 3 wire run 1.65gbs, therefore 1.65gbsx3=5gbs. so you saying if a 64bit memory bus runing 800Mbs, that would be 800Mbsx64=51Gbs, i don't think thats how it works. its like saying 3 cars drive 100MPH, u time 3, therefore it is 300Mph ;)

plumeria

01-17-06, 01:11 PM

I didn't post as scam, if you want blame, blame on audioholic staff, i just post the email that they send to me!!

like i said i'm sure the cable is fine for short distance, but what about long distance.

[rant snipped]

here is the new description of the HDMI cables

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&style=
Here's a link where you probably want to spend the $$$ for your cables :-
http://www.monstercables.com/home_av/

Peter

s002wjh

01-17-06, 01:27 PM

i actually bought something from monoprice because the price. the point for my post is that the website said it can pass 1080p and the 5Gbs part, but if I buy something that need to pass 1080p than i need to be sure the cable indeed can pass 1080p. and i never say i want to buy from monster cable.
i use cheap component cable vs exotic component cable, and I can't see the difference, but that doesn't mean when using long runs or higher resolutions it will still be the same. when you goto dealer do you expect the dealer to tell you the truth or they advertise as " our car has 1000HP, 0-60mph only 3 sec, and only cost 10Grand"!!!
this is something I look at when I was comparing monoprice HDMI cable http://www2.dvigear.com/divica.html

bfoster

01-17-06, 01:30 PM

which I consider to be a scam!

And now you've said it again :D

DAB

01-17-06, 01:32 PM

Product ID: 2412
HDMI Cable male to male 28AWG - 6ft w/Ferrite Cores (Gold-Plated and Supports 1080p)

They state it supports 1080p

DIRECTLY from MONOPRICE.com website

s002wjh

01-17-06, 01:57 PM

Product ID: 2412
HDMI Cable male to male 28AWG - 6ft w/Ferrite Cores (Gold-Plated and Supports 1080p)

They state it supports 1080p

DIRECTLY from MONOPRICE.com website

if you saw the website for 6ft above upto 50ft last week it state it supports 1080p too :eek: I know what I saw last week, and if they sell the same cable as last week then they wrongful advertise, but if its different cable than its another story. hey bloster don't stuck on the work "scam", you could send audioholic or other reviewer an email. don't argue with me about monoprice, you have ur opinon and i have mine. except I ask several expert in the industry before I come to my conclusions. like i said i bought some HDMI from monoprice too, not because the superb quility, but because the price, and the fact I doubt I can tell the difference when running 6ft cable or less.

by the way it seem the 3ft can only accept 1080i while 6 feet can accept 1080p, and its missing the "certified" word from last week. didn't you notice the description for 18AWG are all the same, but only 6 ft can accept 1080p. make you wonder why a 3ft with same tranfers rate 5Gbs and description as the 6ft HDMI can only accept 1080i while 6ft can accept 1080p, typo or else?? :D

sfhub

01-17-06, 04:45 PM

also if you check monoprice for the cable, it is said 1080i now instead certified 1080p HDMI cable.
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if they indeed sell the same cable as last week then they lied about the certified 1080p part, which I consider to be a scam!!

When you say "lie" and "scam" you really need more evidence then what you have posted. These are very strong words.

Let me present a scenario just as easily possible. Monoprice suppliers indicated these cables were 1080p certified. Monoprice posted this on their website. Monoprice saw there was some question about 1080p. Monoprice asks their supplier to clarify. Supplier now says they are 720p/1080i certified but should work for 1080p for the shorter cables. Monoprice feels it is best not to confuse their customers and posts the more conservative numbers.

Another possible scenario is monoprice saw some confusion regarding 1080p and decided to test the cables out themselves. However since there are very few displays and source devices capable of sending out 1080p, they only tested the popular 720p/1080i video formats, and that is what they posted on their website. In this scenario, it doesn't mean 1080p won't work and it doesn't mean 1080p will work, just that 720p/1080i is what monoprice tested, given the equipment available to them.

It could also be lies and scam, but the point is you cannot tell with the information which is available.

If a vendor makes an honest mistake and tries to correct it that doesn't automatically make it a lie and scam. If a vendor has information that isn't correct, that doesn't automatically make it an honest mistake either.

Also last week I check their websit they said the cable is able to pass 5gbs, I don't think anything can run in the range of 5gbs, you are talking about 5GHz. For the other poster said there is 3 wire run 1.65gbs, therefore 1.65gbsx3=5gbs. so you saying if a 64bit memory bus runing 800Mbs, that would be 800Mbsx64=51Gbs, i don't think thats how it works. its like saying 3 cars drive 100MPH, u time 3, therefore it is 300Mph ;)
You can believe it or not, but the TMDS clock really is spec'd at 165MHz and there really are 10bits data (8 bits data, 2 bits guard) *per channel* *per cycle*. There really are 3 data channels. Each one really is sending out 1.65Gbps if the TMDS clock is 165MHz. 3*1.65Gbps really is 4.95Gbps. If you find this hard to believe, DVDO (make of popular iScan video processor) describes their HDMI cable as 4.95Gbps as do many other vendors.

http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_acc_cbl_hdmi.php
http://www.octavainc.com/
http://www.connectworld.net/syscon/hdmi-dvi.htm
http://www.computerplug.com/nav.php?cat1=Cable+Products&cat2=Cables&cat3=DVI

Your example with 64bit memory bus doesn't make any sense. Nobody rates memory buses assuming each bit of the bus is a channel. They rate memory buses on overall bandwidth which has the memory bus width already built into the bandwidth #.

Your example with the cars wasn't taken far enough. You are confusing speed, with data throughput. Each of the three cars is still going 100MPH and that is equivalent to the clock rate in the HDMI example. Each of the 3 data channels in HDMI is limited to 165MHz speed by the spec. Nobody is saying otherwise.

However, when you talk about data bandwidth, the 3 data channels really do move 3 times as much data as single channel. Just like you are limited to 100MPH with your 3 cars, but if each car can fit 4 people, you can *move* 3 times as many people, at 100MPH.

If you use your broken thinking, dual-link HDMI cables (which have 6 data lines instead of 3) would be limited to 1.65Gbps also, just like you say single-link is limited to 1.65Gbps. The fact is dual-link not only has more data bandwidth by virtue of the extra data lines, they have exactly twice the additional bandwidth because 6 is exactly 2 times as great as 3.

sfhub

01-17-06, 05:04 PM

if you saw the website for 6ft above upto 50ft last week it state it supports 1080p too :eek: I know what I saw last week, and if they sell the same cable as last week then they wrongful advertise, but if its different cable than its another story. hey bloster don't stuck on the work "scam", you could send audioholic or other reviewer an email. don't argue with me about monoprice, you have ur opinon and i have mine. except I ask several expert in the industry before I come to my conclusions. like i said i bought some HDMI from monoprice too, not because the superb quility, but because the price, and the fact I doubt I can tell the difference when running 6ft cable or less.

by the way it seem the 3ft can only accept 1080i while 6 feet can accept 1080p, and its missing the "certified" word from last week. didn't you notice the description for 18AWG are all the same, but only 6 ft can accept 1080p. make you wonder why a 3ft with same tranfers rate 5Gbs and description as the 6ft HDMI can only accept 1080i while 6ft can accept 1080p, typo or else?? :D
Actually what it said last week was "certified 1080p" up to the 33 ft model. 50ft just listed 1080p but didn't say "certified"

The point people were making in response to what you posted was not whether monoprice cables do or don't support 1080p, but you should test their cables prior to saying they are a scam.

What if I test the 50ft cable and it does 1080p. Then is the expert you quoted a liar and scam artist? Or did he simply post the established known range where 1080p can be transferred reliably. Using *your thinking*, the expert is a liar and scam artist just trying to sell his publication. Using *our thinking*, there are many possibilities for what the expert says and we reserve judgment until more information is available.

Bottom line is you can test the 50ft HDMI cable for about $10 shipping back and forth and if you bought the cable using information on the website that was not accurate, I'm confident monoprice would refund your shipping as well.

I can tell you that the 6ft and 10ft 28AWG DVI cables definitely pass 1080p w/o issues. I've tested using both ATI R9800 Pro and nVidia 6600GT to Sharp LC-45GX6U and there are no issues. I also have the 28AWG HDMI cables and they appear to be similar build quality, but I didn't test 1080p over them because my equipment uses DVI connectors (at least the 1080p ones do) and I found it pointless to needlessly convert to HDMI just to test out HDMI cables 1080p capabilities. If it was important to me, I would have tested them.

reefer_bob

01-17-06, 07:14 PM

So... on a 6' DVI to HDMI cable, should I go 28 ga or 24 ga?

:)

sfhub

01-17-06, 08:29 PM

I haven't tested the specific cable you are after, but if it were me, I would just get the 28gauge cable. It should work fine and I don't particularly like the thicker/heavier cables when it comes to HDMI because the HDMI connector doesn't have anchors. The beauty of monoprice is they have quality products, an excellent return policy and the cables are much more affordable to start with so it isn't nearly as difficult a decision as buying from local big retailer who only carries Monster.

rbrb

01-17-06, 08:35 PM

Glad I found this thread. I ordered a DVI-D cable from Mono this afternoon. I received an E-Mail a couple of hours later stating the cable has been shipped. Great service so far!!!

atoyf

01-17-06, 08:41 PM

Willd

01-18-06, 02:25 AM

Just wanted to say I ordered some cables from monoprice last week and got them yesterday. I received great service and great prices. I love monoprice!

swifty7

01-18-06, 04:28 AM

I've ordered 3 HDMI cables from them, they work flawlessly excellent product. I couldn't tell the difference in picture quality when I compared it to my Pure AV 15ft HDMI>DVI cable costing $159. I of course immediately returned the Pure AV for a full refund!!! :)

A question:

is there a difference in quality between the regualr 10ft HDMI($9.17) vs 10ft HDMI cable with net jacket costing $26.03?

Monoprice rules!!! plain and simple!!!!

dsanbo

01-18-06, 07:11 AM

Hello,

what's ferrites ?

HDMI Cable (24AWG) w/ferrites and net jacket- 6ft (Gold Plated, 720p/1080i) (NF)

I need HDMI cable, nmy TV supports it and DVD player does, what's the best one to buy? Such as diffrences: with ferrites and without, etc.

I don't need anything longer than 6ft.

Thanks :D
Ferrites - or ferrite beads - are used to prevent unwanted RF/EMI leakage into/out of a cable or other sensitive electronic circuits (power supplies often use them, along with torroid coils which perform in a similar manner). The original Sony XM Satellite tuner came with ferrite "cores" that were used on the antenna leads and power cord; they came in a separate package - the owner could elect to use them or not, depending on whether the unit was to be operated in close proximity to high RF/EMI fields.....
The skinny....the ferrites are a nice feature on the cable...and won't degrade performance....just not sure if they'd always be necessary...a lot of us use cable that don't have them...... ;)

rwestley

01-18-06, 08:57 AM

Ferrites will not hurt as has been stated. They can help under certain conditions. Since they are included on many Monoprice cables it is a nice extra. I needed a few ferrites to solve a RF problem in the past and they cost nearly as much as the cables from R.S.

s002wjh

01-18-06, 09:54 AM

When you say "lie" and "scam" you really need more evidence then what you have posted. These are very strong words.

Let me present a scenario just as easily possible. Monoprice suppliers indicated these cables were 1080p certified. Monoprice posted this on their website. Monoprice saw there was some question about 1080p. Monoprice asks their supplier to clarify. Supplier now says they are 720p/1080i certified but should work for 1080p for the shorter cables. Monoprice feels it is best not to confuse their customers and posts the more conservative numbers.

Another possible scenario is monoprice saw some confusion regarding 1080p and decided to test the cables out themselves. However since there are very few displays and source devices capable of sending out 1080p, they only tested the popular 720p/1080i video formats, and that is what they posted on their website. In this scenario, it doesn't mean 1080p won't work and it doesn't mean 1080p will work, just that 720p/1080i is what monoprice tested, given the equipment available to them.

It could also be lies and scam, but the point is you cannot tell with the information which is available.

If a vendor makes an honest mistake and tries to correct it that doesn't automatically make it a lie and scam. If a vendor has information that isn't correct, that doesn't automatically make it an honest mistake either.

You can believe it or not, but the TMDS clock really is spec'd at 165MHz and there really are 10bits data (8 bits data, 2 bits guard) *per channel* *per cycle*. There really are 3 data channels. Each one really is sending out 1.65Gbps if the TMDS clock is 165MHz. 3*1.65Gbps really is 4.95Gbps. If you find this hard to believe, DVDO (make of popular iScan video processor) describes their HDMI cable as 4.95Gbps as do many other vendors.

http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_acc_cbl_hdmi.php
http://www.octavainc.com/
http://www.connectworld.net/syscon/hdmi-dvi.htm
http://www.computerplug.com/nav.php?cat1=Cable+Products&cat2=Cables&cat3=DVI

Your example with 64bit memory bus doesn't make any sense. Nobody rates memory buses assuming each bit of the bus is a channel. They rate memory buses on overall bandwidth which has the memory bus width already built into the bandwidth #.

Your example with the cars wasn't taken far enough. You are confusing speed, with data throughput. Each of the three cars is still going 100MPH and that is equivalent to the clock rate in the HDMI example. Each of the 3 data channels in HDMI is limited to 165MHz speed by the spec. Nobody is saying otherwise.

However, when you talk about data bandwidth, the 3 data channels really do move 3 times as much data as single channel. Just like you are limited to 100MPH with your 3 cars, but if each car can fit 4 people, you can *move* 3 times as many people, at 100MPH.

If you use your broken thinking, dual-link HDMI cables (which have 6 data lines instead of 3) would be limited to 1.65Gbps also, just like you say single-link is limited to 1.65Gbps. The fact is dual-link not only has more data bandwidth by virtue of the extra data lines, they have exactly twice the additional bandwidth because 6 is exactly 2 times as great as 3.

1st don't you agree it is the seller reponsibility to test it out the cable before advertise/sell it to the public. if you check bluejean or dvigear, none of them advertise something 1080p before verify/testing it. your right it won't take a huge effort to check its 1080p or not(hook up to a pc and vola), so why would a good online seller would advertise as certified 1080p before testing it. All the other website that I know such as bluejean have test their cable to back up their claims. for your first scenario, monoprice could easily ask the suppliers to show them the prove of certified 1080p cable. its not hard thing to do, just ask where did they receive the certified 1080p, and verify with that company who prove the certified 1080p. "
If a vendor makes an honest mistake and tries to correct it that doesn't automatically make it a lie and scam." sure it will just make them irresponsible. if you buy a car from certain dealer, and they advertise as 7yr warranty and 300hp, but after you bought it for sometime, it turn out to be 2yr warranty and 200hp. how would you feel??

2nd how many non-technical people know there are 3 channel in HDMI? also when i said 5gbs i'm refer to as speed/Frequency, not throughput. if you read both dvigear(1.65gbs) and monoprice(5gbs) said "transfer rate upto", this can easily interpreted as speed/frequency, since rate is often correlate to frequency rate, not throughput. when a non-technical saw this he probably thinking WOW 5gbs=$20(monoprice), 1.65gbs=$60(dvigear), you don't really have a fair comparesion here, I called this marketing. this could cause financial damage to many people who looking for 12ft+ HDMI for their projector/pc etc. Think of this way, if I bought the serveral 33ft monoprice cable last month thinking it can pass 1080p upto 33ft for my pc or future 1080p source, and later I found out this is not true, but the return policy is already expire. So I just spend hundred dollars on something that is not what it said to be, i think i would be piss off by this :mad: if this happen.

also i notice something. the dvigear HDMI which dvigear said it was tested it upto1080p has 1.65gbsx3=4.95gbs, but monoprice which they claim also tested upto 1080i (this week advertisement) has 5gbs. both has identical throughput, but dvigear is 1080p while monoprice is 1080i. how can this be, another advertise blunder that will cause potential buyer confusion?? :rolleyes:

s002wjh

01-18-06, 10:05 AM

Actually what it said last week was "certified 1080p" up to the 33 ft model. 50ft just listed 1080p but didn't say "certified"

The point people were making in response to what you posted was not whether monoprice cables do or don't support 1080p, but you should test their cables prior to saying they are a scam.
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are you saying that every consumer who bought 1080p should test the cable to verify if it pass 1080p or not:( . its like saying when i buy a car, i should test every components to see if it match advertise spec. I don't know about you but when I buy any thing from retailer, I expect them to advertise the true spec. it would be a pain in the rear if I test every components that I bought over the year to check if they match the advertise spec. also i know 50ft was not certified, but it did say "1080p". lets assume they didn't verify the spec from their supplier(not lying about it), and advertise it as it is. if monoprice make such advertise on HDMI, i wonder what other advertise spec is wrong!

s002wjh

01-18-06, 10:07 AM

Product ID: 2412
HDMI Cable male to male 28AWG - 6ft w/Ferrite Cores (Gold-Plated and Supports 1080p)

They state it supports 1080p

DIRECTLY from MONOPRICE.com website

check it out today 1080i now ;)

replayrob

01-18-06, 10:15 AM

So... on a 6' DVI to HDMI cable, should I go 28 ga or 24 ga?

:)
I ordered the 24 gague version (product #2218) with the net jacket.
Had it for about a month now. Excellent performance with my upconverting DVD player.
The cable diameter is less than the 24 ga straight DVI-DVI cable. I was originally going to get a DVI-HDMI adapter for the new DVD player, but since the new cable was under $20, I figured I'd be better off with a DVI-HDMI cable rather than an adapter.

atoyf

01-18-06, 11:41 AM

What's (NF)?

From Moboprice.com, some cables have (NF) remark and some don't - what's it?

HDMI Cable (24AWG) w/ferrites and net jacket- 6ft (Gold Plated, 720p/1080i) (NF)

sfhub

01-18-06, 01:08 PM

Think of this way, if I bought the serveral 33ft monoprice cable last month thinking it can pass 1080p upto 33ft for my pc or future 1080p source, and later I found out this is not true, but the return policy is already expire.
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also i notice something. the dvigear HDMI which dvigear said it was tested it upto1080p has 1.65gbsx3=4.95gbs, but monoprice which they claim also tested upto 1080i (this week advertisement) has 5gbs. both has identical throughput, but dvigear is 1080p while monoprice is 1080i. how can this be, another advertise blunder that will cause potential buyer confusion?? :rolleyes:
Think of it this way, if you had purchased the 33ft cable and it didn't work for 1080p you have something to complain about. Virtually everyone else on this thread is happy.

I have personally tested some of the 6 and 10ft cables and they work for 1080p. What do you think I should say, monoprice cables are amazing, they only advertise 1080i but work for 1080p? It's just the flip side of the same coin. They may have been overspecing the longest cables before, but now they are underspeccing the shorter cables for sure.

You are out of gas on the 5Gbps 1.65Gbps discussion.

I think the earlier poster is right, buy the monster cables that are certified up the wazoo but will fall out of the HDMI socket because they are too heavy and be happy.

For the rest of us, we will continue to enjoy 1080p through our monoprice cables.

atoyf

01-18-06, 06:00 PM

anyone? NF ?

i want to order the cable but want to know what i get... :)

dsanbo

01-19-06, 09:02 AM

anyone? NF ?

i want to order the cable but want to know what i get... :)
atoyf.....
Have you queried Monoprice? Some things come to mind...Non-Ferrous (the core of the cable is copper/silver/gold or some other metal withOUT iron base)...Non-Flexible...a more rigid cable, less susseptible to kinks/bends....Then there's National Fine....which is a reference to the pitch of screw threads....nothing to do with cables....Sorry I can't be more helpful....Google, maybe??? ;)

s002wjh

01-19-06, 11:22 AM

Think of it this way, if you had purchased the 33ft cable and it didn't work for 1080p you have something to complain about. Virtually everyone else on this thread is happy.

I have personally tested some of the 6 and 10ft cables and they work for 1080p. What do you think I should say, monoprice cables are amazing, they only advertise 1080i but work for 1080p? It's just the flip side of the same coin. They may have been overspecing the longest cables before, but now they are underspeccing the shorter cables for sure.

You are out of gas on the 5Gbps 1.65Gbps discussion.

I think the earlier poster is right, buy the monster cables that are certified up the wazoo but will fall out of the HDMI socket because they are too heavy and be happy.

For the rest of us, we will continue to enjoy 1080p through our monoprice cables.

did I even mention i would buy monster cable??? btw mono advertise1080i this week, last week was certified 1080p. in fact I had a friend recommand me to buy monoprice cable since he said "it will pass 1080p upto 33ft", that was the whole reason i was look into mono. imagine if I buy couples of these for my pc and projectors without doing little research or ask audioholic opinons, ill be sorry after 2 months when I found out 33 ft can't do 1080p. I don't want to pay that much for monster cable, but i am looking for 12ft+ 1080p cables. My 1st choice was from dvigear.com, but when i saw mono, i had to find out the 1080p its true or not, and that was from last week. can you blame me for doing little background research!!

as for the 5gbs and 1.65gbs, ill stand with my opinon. not many people will know 5gbs is meant for throughput while 1.65gbs is frequency rate, and not many people know how many channels are in HDMI.

people always saying if i don't like mono, i should buy from monster. I never buy anything from monster, and i always do little research before I buy.

kim77512

01-19-06, 11:53 AM

Hello AVS Forum members,

I'm Sean Lee with Monoprice, Inc. First of all, I'd like to say "Thank you so much for you all AVS Forum members' support."

I've seen this discussion and would like to make a comment on HDMI and DVI cables Monoprice is selling to avoid any misunderstanding.

TEST result (Tests have been done at factory in China with Ghiatek Technologies Co., Ltd and HP's Time Domain Reflectomery (TDR) -- 86100A (HP); Network Analyzer -- 8753C (HP), etc. 1080p resolution tests have been done at our famous HD cable reseller's facility with their testing equipments by sending 1080p signal.)

24AWG HDMI cable with Net Jacket and Ferrite Cores
-------------------------------------------------------------------
3FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p
6FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p
10FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p
15FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p

24AWG HDMI cable
------------------------
25FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i
33FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i
50FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i

22AWG HDMI cable (Silver-Plated Copper)
50FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i

28AWG HDMI cables (1080p not tested).
--------------------------------------------------------------
3FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i
6FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i
10FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i
15FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i

24AWG DVI-D Dual Link Cable
--------------------------------------
3FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p
6FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p
10FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p
15FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p

24AWG DVI-D Dual Link Cable (1080p not tested)
---------------------------------------------------------------
25FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i
33FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i
50FT - Supports and Tested 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i

There have been honest errors on our website. Monoprice staff and I do truly apologize for those errors and have corrected them. We didn't try to cheat anyone to sell more HDMI cables.

For anyone who has bought and misunderstood our 1080i-supported cables as 1080p-supported ones... Monoprice staff and I am willing to accept returns and issue full refund plus UPS Return Label to have it back. Returnable period limit will be waived. So, please don't worry about returnable period, 21 days. Truly sorry for any inconvenience it may cause you.

Again, thanks alot to AVS Forum and members for your support. Monoprice staffs and I will do anything to provide Quality products at reasonable and affordable prices.

Best regards,

Sean Lee
Monoprice, Inc.

Satmeister

01-19-06, 12:46 PM

....For anyone who has bought and misunderstood our 1080i-supported cables as 1080p-supported ones... Monoprice staff and I am willing to accept returns and issue full refund plus UPS Return Label to have it back. Returnable period limit will be waived. So, please don't worry about returnable period, 21 days. Truly sorry for any inconvenience it may cause you.
In an age where companies hide to escape their customers - Wow -what a great company - it stands behind what it sells.

I already bought 8 cables through them (so far), and felt their products and service were great. I don't plan on using anyone else for cables in the future either. This makes them stand even higher above the rest.

Kudos to Monoprice!

bfoster

01-19-06, 12:47 PM

Maybe s002wjh will finally let it go.

reefer_bob

01-19-06, 01:35 PM

w00t.

I just placed my first order with Monoprice. I got a 10' 24ga DVI/HDMI w/ferites, and a couple other cords. I almost feel bad paying so little for cords as I expect to get Radio Shack quality... but from everyone here, I ordered with confidence that their cords are of high quality! :)

atoyf

01-19-06, 01:36 PM

dsanbo

01-19-06, 01:36 PM

In a world seemingly filled with an overabundance of business apathy.....It is truly refreshing to see - and now HEAR - from a company like Sean Lee's!! Mr. Lee's message posted here speaks volumes for the integrity of both his product....AND ESPECIALLY HIMSELF!! :D
Another business some time ago used the slogan: "It takes a tough man to make a tender chicken...."and, although Mr. Perdue, Sr. is no longer with us....his philosophy still stands the test of time....it's what separates a "good" product and company....from a GREAT one....Let's hope others follow Mr. Lee's path...It's easy to see that pride in one's work will go far in reaping the inteded benefit...a truly SATISFIED customer!!

kim77512

01-19-06, 01:39 PM

Sean, can you please tell us what does (NF) mean on your website? Some cables have NF and some don't, what is it and why is it so hard to figure out what it is?

NF stands for Net Jacket and Ferrite Cores for us to distinguish between other HDMI cables. No special meaning. Sorry for confusion. Please send us an email for any further question. Thanks, all.

Regards,

Sean Lee
Monoprice, Inc.

harpeth

01-19-06, 02:24 PM

I received an HDMI/DVI cable from Monoprice earlier this week, and it works great connecting our LG LST-3510A tuner to our Philips 30PW8420 HD monitor. I noticed that with this cable we get upconverting of DVDs to 1080i, whereas with component video connections everything ran at 480p. The 30PW doesn't support 720p. The price for Monoprice's cable ($6.44) and the speed of service were both great.

John

Drew_N

01-19-06, 03:47 PM

Ordered a 25' 24awg HDMI cable last week prior to reading this thread. The cables arrived quickly and I was extremely impressed with the quality. Cable hooked up fine and pic looks great.

Mr. Lee, thanks for addressing the questions and keep up the great work.

s002wjh

01-19-06, 04:15 PM

Maybe s002wjh will finally let it go.

i let it go long time ago, like I said i bought several 6ft HDMI from mono. I would buy from them again because the service is outstanding. guess i can go tell my friend who bought 30ft+ cable from mono that he can return them, i'm sure he would be happy with the service. :D

tpaxadpom

01-19-06, 06:25 PM

Great prices, fast shipping, they work. I compared 10ft (28awi) with ferrites DVI-HDMI cable with Monster version (13.1 ft) and much preffered the monster (I'm not the only one who noticed a difference). No placebo effect was involved here - I didn't pay $150 for the monster cable (it was a cable trade). I don't work for Monster. If you live in Portland Oregon you can come to my place and I'll demonstrate you the difference. It would be interesting to compare monster with 24 awi version of monoprice DVI-HDMI cable or any other HDMI-DVI cable (I also have some HDMI-HDMI cables).

warpigs07

01-20-06, 08:08 AM

Just adding my two cents --- Not that Monoprice needs another glowing review.

Purchased a 15ft dvi cable and a 25ft tos cable and they work perfectly. Couldn't be happier - and saved a bunch cash..

:D

Satmeister

01-20-06, 12:48 PM

It would be interesting to compare monster with 24 awi version of monoprice DVI-HDMI cable or any other HDMI-DVI cable (I also have some HDMI-HDMI cables).
Been there. Done that. No difference (except you have alot more money kept in your wallet with Monoprice).

reybie

01-20-06, 02:03 PM

reybie

01-20-06, 02:14 PM

Grrr, I just looked at the monoprice site and even the 5-RCA cable is out of stock now :(

Satmeister

01-21-06, 11:45 AM

Grrr, I just looked at the monoprice site and even the 5-RCA cable is out of stock now :(
I got 2 of the 6 footers - why not try that (still way low price)...

reybie

01-21-06, 11:54 AM

I'm trying to organize the spaghetti mess behind my components and monoprice seems to be the least expensive way to do that. I was almost tempted to buy the tools and make my own custom length cables.

GautLSU

01-21-06, 12:48 PM

Just to tack on another positive word. Based upon the feedback in this thread early on, I ordered a 6' HDMI from Monoprice. They shipped it out the same day and I got it pretty quickly. Hooked it up to my 50HPX95 + Moto6412 - III w/ Cox Cable, and soon noticed the 5.1 audio bug (the box sent everything to the receiver PCM). However, just a couple days later Cox pushed out the firmware update and now everything works flawlessly. Kudos to monoprice :)

bobm

01-21-06, 04:36 PM

Question on the 3-foot 5-RCA component cable if anyone has bought it from monoprice. I was going to get the 3-foot 3-RCA component cable but they seem to be out of stock all the time (lots of people use them?). Can the audio part of the 5-RCA cable be peeled off the bunch to make it a 3-RCA one?

Yes you can. I just got some 3 footers(hard to find) and have seperated the wires for simplicity in routing the cables.

Good cables, great prices. A little delay in shipping of mine through no fault of Monoprice. Sean was willing to overnight a replacement order, which it turns out was not needed.

CareyWKU

01-21-06, 05:17 PM

First post to the forums!

Hey everyone, I've enjoyed reading the forums for the past week. There is a lot of useful knowledge on here.

I'm planning on buying a 3' or 6' HDMI cable from Monoprice but don't know which one I should go with. I'm not familiar with the differences between 24AWG and 28AWG. I'm assuming this has something to do with the gauge of the cable, but how does this affect PQ? Which would be best for my short run? Also, what purpose does the net jacket serve?

I know these are very simple questions but my cable knowledge is limited to say the least.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

thecrazykevy

01-21-06, 05:19 PM

I got 2 of the 6 footers - why not try that (still way low price)...
Thats what I did too. The difference is only around a $1. 6 feet is a lot longer then I really need but its better then waiting 2 weeks for the 3 feet ones to be in stock.

greywolf

01-22-06, 10:04 AM

Heavier guage does not increase the bandwidth or improve picture quality. It improves conductivity. If a cable gets the picture to the TV without sparklies, no other cable will provide better PQ.

QZ1

01-22-06, 05:09 PM

Heavier guage does not increase the bandwidth or improve picture quality. It improves conductivity. If a cable gets the picture to the TV without sparklies, no other cable will provide better PQ.

What is the cause of 'sparklies'?
Is it RF interference or noise?

greywolf

01-22-06, 10:00 PM

A sparkly is a dropped pixel. Anything that prevents the information from getting through can be the cause.

bitemymac

01-23-06, 12:32 AM

What is the cause of 'sparklies'?
Is it RF interference or noise?

sparkly is caused from a bad Digital signal/processing/strength out or lost/dropped signals from poorly manufactured cables, especiallys when you run them at longer length and higher resolution or when you request higher signal throughput/bandwidth than the processor or the cable is capable to handling.

In most cases, using a shorter or better quality cable will fix it.

reefer_bob

01-23-06, 05:18 PM

Ordered on Thursday morning, arrived on Saturday afternoon!

Great Cables, great service! The shipping envelope was a little beat up, but I blame USPS for that one...

I got a 10' 24ga HDMI/DVI cable. It is really heavy, and not super flexible. For shorter lengths, I would consider the 28ga cable next time.

Great cables, great prices, great service...

Falhawk

01-24-06, 03:10 PM

wow this is a great thread. I love to see this level of customer service.

I was perusing the monoprice site for a few cables and have since decided to redo all of my AV cables as well as my computer internal cables.

vgs86

01-27-06, 12:40 PM

Can anybody confirm if following works with

InFocus 4805 Projector
Accurian (Radio Shack) HD STB Tuner

15Ft HDMI-HDMI cable
HDMI-M1 Adapter (not yet in stock)

I would prefer above setup because I would prefer to snake the HDMI cable in my ceiling rather than DVI double link. The HDMI connector is smaller than DVI.

I am running the projector with the factory firmware (1.03??) and would not like to upgrade as I have heard more issues with it.

- Vikas

dsanbo

01-27-06, 02:08 PM

sadmaker

01-27-06, 05:06 PM

The Monster folks better take notice with their gouging price model, or else these guys will knock them off the planet!
monster will be fine as long as best buy employees continue to peddle their overpriced products like crack on a street corner. got my 28awg hdmi cable with ferrite cores. ZERO problems, quick shipping, great quality. couldnt be happier. hell, i was going to go with component, but at $11 including ship, i figured what the hay!!

Walt B

01-27-06, 05:58 PM

Sadmaker - what length are your 28AWG Monoprice cables?

I just purchased the new Octava 4-port HDMI ("Clear EYE") switcher (free upgrade to a 5-port). It will ship on Monday.

I want to run a STB and DVD (plus my sons's future PS3) via 3-foot HDMI cables to the Octava HDMI Switcher, then from the Switcher to my Panasonic AVR via another 3-foot HDMI cable, and from the AVR to my Panasonic AE700U Projector via an existing 23-foot Lindy HDMI cable.

I'm considering the AV Link 3-foot HDMI cable from Blue Jeans Cable or the Monoprice 3-foot HDMI cable in either 24AWG or 28AWG. My concern is the flexibility of the Monoprice 24AWG for a 3-foot run and if it is really needed (as opposed to the Monoprice 28AWG).

swifty7

01-29-06, 01:03 AM

NF stands for Net Jacket and Ferrite Cores for us to distinguish between other HDMI cables. No special meaning. Sorry for confusion. Please send us an email for any further question. Thanks, all.

Regards,

Sean Lee
Monoprice, Inc.

I just wanted to say that I'm very impressed with the products from your company, I've been recommending it to anyone who's in the market for buying cables.

is there a big difference(construction wise) between HDMI cables with Net jacked apposed to the ones without?

smackdaddyD

01-29-06, 09:44 PM

I too am very pleased with the cables I recently ordered, basically as a result of this forum.

One cable I'm particularly impressed with is the 25' dvi to hdmi that I'm using to connect my computer to my 62" Mitsubishi 1080p set....the cable is quite beefy, but had no problem staying in the socket of the set, which many people mention as a problem with thick hdmi cables. I would expect a cable of similar quality to easily retail for $125+, given that this is about as far as you can run this type of cable reliably. Picture is breathtaking, as was the price at $30...

One thing I would mention that isn't a negative but kind of sucks, is that when they say 3' cables, they mean from tip to tip...my 3' TOS cables were a little shorter than I had imagined them being, making for a tighter fit than I would have liked, but it's fine.

Perhaps they could sell a 4' length? In fact, they should just offer a 5 ft cable as well, people would need all sorts of lengths from 3-6 ft for setting up their HT.

Regardless, the cables are excellent in quality and price, and I feel obligated to give them some props.

dsanbo

01-30-06, 07:16 AM

smackdaddyD.....
Glad to hear from another satisfied Monoprice customer...!! :D
FYI....the "tip-to-tip" measurement for cable length is pretty much an industry standard. I think you'll find nearly ALL makes of cables are cut/measured this way.
I usually just go with the next higher length (like 6') if 3' won't quite reach; a neat tuck/roll of the excess and secured with Ty-Wraps works for me...I'd rather have too much than too little (I find that philosophy fares well for things other than cables..... ;) )

vgs86

01-31-06, 02:42 PM

just bumping

Can anybody confirm if following works with

InFocus 4805 Projector
Accurian (Radio Shack) HD STB Tuner

15Ft HDMI-HDMI cable
HDMI-M1 Adapter (not yet in stock)

I would prefer above setup because I would prefer to snake the HDMI cable in my ceiling rather than DVI double link. The HDMI connector is smaller than DVI.

I am running the projector with the factory firmware (1.03??) and would not like to upgrade as I have heard more issues with it.

sfhub

02-02-06, 10:15 PM

I recently had the opportunity to test Monoprice HDMI cables with equipment
running at 1080p 60Hz with HDCP (148.5MHz) The results were very positive.

Please note that success at 1080p depends on a lot of factors including quality
of TMDS transmitters, receivers, and anything you might have connected to the
cables like HDMI switches, repeaters, HDMI->DVD adapters, etc., therefore these
test results should be taken as a data point and not as a guarantee the cables
will be problem free @ 1080p with your specific equipment.

For example, during initial testing I had discovered through process of elimination
that one of the HDMI->DVI adapters I was using could not reliably pass 1080p. At
first I thought the cables were the issue, but after switching out the adapters, the
cables worked great.

Also please note, even though some of these cables are listed as only 1080i certified,
they did nevertheless pass 1080p without issues for the equipment combination I used.
See this post for what was tested at the factory:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6953664&&#post6953664

The process of listing a cable as passing visual inspection involved looking at black
screen for 30 seconds to detect sparkles, then watching video for 1 minute to detect
additional artifacts.

Sharp LC-45GX6U is a 1920x1080 LCD display which accepts 1080p and 1080p/hdcp when
devices are connected directly to the panel, bypassing the external video processor.

Hope you find this information useful.

====

Test cables (FC=FerriteCore N=Netjacket):
0) 02029 HDMI->DVI F-M converter

1) 02526 HDMI M-M 28AWG FC 3ft
2) 02412 HDMI M-M 28AWG FC 6ft
3) 02504 HDMI M-M 28AWG FC 10ft
4) 02529 HDMI M-M 28AWG FC 15ft

5) 02283 HDMI M-M 24AWG FC/N 3ft
6) 02219 HDMI M-M 24AWG FC/N 6ft
7) 02281 HDMI M-M 24AWG FC/N 10ft
8) 02282 HDMI M-M 24AWG FC/N 15ft

9) 02109 HDMI M-M 24AWG 25ft
10) 02742 HDMI M-M 24AWG 33ft (actual 35ft)
11) 02110 HDMI M-M 24AWG FC 50ft

12) 02678 HDMI M-M 22AWG 50ft

====

Scenario 1
Sharp AVC 1080p/HDCP == DVI->HDMI == Monoprice HDMI cable == HDMI->DVI == Sharp LC-45GX6U Panel

(all tests performed using 2 x HDMI->DVI adapter and listed HDMI cable)
(this test is for 1080p/HDCP only, not 720p, not 1080i, not 1080p/sans-HDCP)

1) 3ft 28AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
2) 6ft 28AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
3) 10ft 28AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
4) 15ft 28AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection

5) 3ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
6) 6ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
7) 10ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
8) 15ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection

9) 25ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
10) 35ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
11) 50ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection

12) 50ft 22AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection

====

Scenario 2
PNY Verto 6600GT 1080p == DVI->HDMI == Monoprice HDMI cable == HDMI->DVI == Sharp LC-45GX6U Panel

(all tests performed using 2 x HDMI->DVI adapter and listed HDMI cable)
(this test is for 1080p only, not 720p, not 1080i, not 1080p/hdcp)

1) 3ft 28AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
2) 6ft 28AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
3) 10ft 28AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
4) 15ft 28AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection

5) 3ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
6) 6ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
7) 10ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
8) 15ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection

9) 25ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
10) 35ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection
11) 50ft 24AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection

12) 50ft 22AWG no sparkle, passed visual picture inspection

Note:
nVidia driver 82.12
Testing using bottom DVI port

Satmeister

02-03-06, 08:33 AM

I recently had the opportunity to test Monoprice HDMI cables with equipment
running at 1080p 60Hz with HDCP (148.5MHz) The results were very positive.
Thanks for the in-depth data and testimony. I, too, have used these for a while now, and are impressed with their quality and performance. The fact that they are also a whole lot less expensive than MonsterCable gouged pricing makes it all the sweeter.

The time and effort spent to assemble your data is most appreciated. :)

ninjaroo

02-03-06, 03:01 PM

Based on price and glowing reviews here at AVS i decided to purchase a 6 ft hdmi cable and 6ft optical acable from monoprice.
I could not beleive the price and it makes me wonder why all other hdmi cable are so expensive. :eek:

So thank you monoprice and I am sure these will be trouble free for me

I received the cables in 2 days and they are flawless

reybie

02-03-06, 03:14 PM

For anyone waiting for the 3' component cables, they're back in stock. Got me a few for the cost of 1 name brand component cable :)

Josecuervo100

02-08-06, 03:54 AM

You guys just recruited another monoprice customer! I can not believe there are still great companies with a great product and great business ethics still in buisiness.

Goes to show you don't have to screw the consumer and put profits over people to have a successful year end statement.

-J

Amerikes

02-08-06, 08:17 AM

The monoprice site appears to be down........anyone confirm this. I am wanting to buy an HDMI cable. Drats!!!

sfhub

02-08-06, 08:33 AM

Must have been in the last 2 hrs. I was there earlier but can't reach them right now either.

Amerikes

02-08-06, 11:02 AM

Monoprice, is back on line. I just ordered a 6' HDMI 24awg cable. Great Price.

HDTV-NUT

02-08-06, 11:25 AM

ya, i bought the following cable about 3 weeks ago. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023102&p_id=2281&seq=1&format=2&style=

great quility cable. stays in the slot very well. just as thick and well built as any mon$ter or other high end cable i have seen.

also bought a toslink and some RG6 from monoprice. very fast shipping and all cable of very nice quility.

pennsylvaniaRON

02-09-06, 03:21 PM

hi:

Monoprice cables are awesome. Great bang for the buck. Even their website is impressive. Check out the larger images in very clear detail of the "ends" of each cable just to be sure you are ordering the correcty cable. Customer service is very good and S/H is best I've used!

Can't go wrong!
Kudos to Monoprice!
Regards...

Skippman

02-17-06, 08:54 AM

I'm getting ready to re-do my home theater wiring now that my new receiver is on order and am planning to buy my HDMI cable from Monoprice given all the great reviews I've read of their products and customer service here.

I have a Panasonic LD player that uses composite video. I'm wanting to trade up to better cabling. Does anyone have any experience with Monoprice's composite video cables? How about thier RCA audio cables?

JohnS-MI

02-17-06, 09:06 AM

In terms of technology a composite video cable is just one of the three cables molded together in a component cable set. I'm sure it would be same quality, and I've bought several component. I have so many audio cables that came with things, I've never bought one, sorry. On the other hand, in 100+ posts, no one who has bought one has had problems, in spite of a few posts by doubters who feel more confident paying big $$$$ for Monster.

swarren1

02-17-06, 10:43 AM

I bought from MonoPrice.com twice. Both times had my cables delivered in two days, (from the other end of California). Monoprice.com's shipping prices are very low too, and for my orders was sent Priority Mail.

Their 24 gauge HDMI cables are very heavy duty. I got the copper 6 footer and was very surprised at the quality for their low price.

Check out the test results by sfhub a few posts back, I just noticed them - nice work thanks!
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7052307&&#post7052307

I also got Toslink and coax digital audio cables for dirt cheap from them.

I have not tried returning anything to them so cannot comment on that, but from the purchase side, I'd rate them 10 out of 10.

trisdog

02-21-06, 07:47 PM

Hi, Can someone help me please, I ordered 25FT component cables from monoprice. I am hooking my cable box straight to my projector to watch HDTV, But I get like a green bars rolling up the screen. I tried 2 different cables already.. What can it be? Is it the cable quality? Is it the length of cable? can it be the cabling ? please any help is appreciated thanks.!

reybie

02-21-06, 07:57 PM

Sounds like a ground loop problem. Search the forum for that term and you'll find a few discussions about it. I was able to remove mine using a filter I bought off the internet and currently I was able to do away with by using a UPS/Surge protector where I plugged the incoming coax for the cable.

Try using one of those surge supressors with a coax input and output for the mean time to see if that will fix your problem. Get one from your local electronics store with a good return policy just in case it doens't work.

oldrtyfrog

02-26-06, 04:07 PM

plumeria

02-26-06, 04:39 PM

--snip-- So what are your thoughts and recommendations on the Monoprice stuff? --snip--STUCATT
Try reading the thread ;-)

peter

dsanbo

02-26-06, 04:46 PM

Hey guys....quick question.
I need an HDMI to DVI cable that runs about 30-40 feet. I'm looking at one on monoprice.com (HDMI DVI Cable (24AWG) - 35ft (Gold-Plated)) but I'm concerened about picture quality loss. Has anyone ever used an HDMi/DVI cable this long before? Do you think I will loose picture quality with this cable? Thanks!
old....
Someone on another thread tested the new Monoprice HDMI 5X1 switch, using Monoprice cables up to 50' in length; he had VERY GOOD results, wit h(seemingly...) minimal signal loss in any configuration. I'd get the cables(s) you're looking for from Sean....and try them out.....If they don't work, you can always send them back (undamaged, in original packing)....But I'm betting, once you get Monoprice cable(s), you won't be sending them back!! :D Good luck!

celticpride

03-27-06, 01:40 PM

has anyone that bought these hdmi-dvi cables from monoprice,compared them to the ones that come with the directv hd-10-250tivo dvr? if so is there a big difference?

greywolf

03-27-06, 04:57 PM

There is no difference. The signals are digital. Cables have no effect on the bits.

celticpride

03-27-06, 05:04 PM

thanks greywolf i guess i'll hold off for now,but if i ever need new cables i'll try monoprice!

sfhub

03-27-06, 05:24 PM

There is no difference. The signals are digital. Cables have no effect on the bits.
Cables, just like any transfer medium, can affect the digital data being transmitted over the medium.

What one can say is if the picture is coming in without obvious artifacts like sparkles, static, etc. then the PQ is the same between cables. You don't get gradual degradation like with analog.

mklamb

05-08-06, 05:17 PM

Had a quick Q:
How do the MP cables work for in-wall installations? Any issues? Concerns?

Planning on the cables - 25-ft length (HDMI, DVI-D, Component, S-video, composite) for the IN76

Thanx.

greywolf

05-08-06, 08:49 PM

Cables, just like any transfer medium, can affect the digital data being transmitted over the medium.

What one can say is if the picture is coming in without obvious artifacts like sparkles, static, etc. then the PQ is the same between cables. You don't get gradual degradation like with analog.I believe that's what I did say. The data either arrives in good enough condition to present the same color pixels as any other cable or it doesn't. If so, zero difference. If not, sparklies or no picture. There is no possibility of an incremental difference in quality.

sfhub

05-08-06, 08:54 PM

I believe that's what I did say. The data either arrives in good enough condition to present the same color pixels as any other cable or it doesn't. If so, zero difference. If not, sparklies or no picture. There is no possibility of an incremental difference in quality.
"Cables have no effect on the bits."
I was just clarifying this portion of the post. Cables can have effect on the bits. However it will be obvious when they do. Apparently we intended to say the same thing.

sfhub

05-08-06, 09:08 PM

Had a quick Q:
How do the MP cables work for in-wall installations? Any issues? Concerns?

Planning on the cables - 25-ft length (HDMI, DVI-D, Component, S-video, composite) for the IN76

Thanx.
If you are planning on installing PVC piping to run your cables, suggest you get the monoprice cables without the ferrite core. You can see from the pictures which ones have them or not.

mklamb

05-10-06, 08:54 AM

I am assuming these cables would work really well for in-wall installation. I have not yet decided on the PVC piping or just bare (through the attic).
Suggestions?

sfhub

05-10-06, 11:25 AM

There are many folks using these in-wall and are quite happy with them. The only complaint I've seen is the ferrite core can make it difficult to pull the wire through conduits, which is why I suggest getting the ones without ferrite core.

mklamb

05-10-06, 11:27 AM

Thanx! Appreciate the help.

MR GQ

05-11-06, 12:22 PM

How do I know if I need 28AWG HDMI Cables OR High-Quality 24AWG HDMI Cables... ? Sorry newbie here.. thanks in advance.

dsanbo

05-11-06, 01:49 PM

How do I know if I need 28AWG HDMI Cables OR High-Quality 24AWG HDMI Cables... ? Sorry newbie here.. thanks in advance.
Unless you need the extra ruggedness......or you're planning extra long cable runs, I'd stick with 28ga. --- Of course, considering the low price that Monoprice.com offers...you'd probably be wise to go for the 24ga. -- and STILL save $$$!!(I did.... :D )

MR GQ

05-11-06, 05:01 PM

Unless you need the extra ruggedness......or you're planning extra long cable runs, I'd stick with 28ga. --- Of course, considering the low price that Monoprice.com offers...you'd probably be wise to go for the 24ga. -- and STILL save $$$!!(I did.... :D )
Ordered 3 ft cable! Only took 30 minutes from the time I ordered, to the time they sent me my order # from UPS!!!! AWESOME service.

sfhub

05-11-06, 09:59 PM

Ordered 3 ft cable! Only took 30 minutes from the time I ordered, to the time they sent me my order # from UPS!!!! AWESOME service.
If you are on the west coast you might want to try CA overnight. It is reasonable flat rate, and for me, shows up on my doorstep consistently by 7:30am if I order by 2pm. Fastest delivery I've ever had for any internet order. Almost the same as going to a local store.

MR GQ

05-12-06, 10:59 AM

If you are on the west coast you might want to try CA overnight. It is reasonable flat rate, and for me, shows up on my doorstep consistently by 7:30am if I order by 2pm. Fastest delivery I've ever had for any internet order. Almost the same as going to a local store.
In Ohio

MR GQ

05-22-06, 12:25 PM

Received the cables super fast, they work great.. mad props to monoprice I wil buy all future cables through them.

akrato

05-24-06, 08:47 AM

Hello,

I just bought a HDMI Cable male to male 28AWG - 3ft w/Ferrite Cores from monoprice and i test it with my Kiss dp-600 which is able to output 1080p in both 50 and 60 hz. Picture was good with no sparkles or anything else...

As you say it's either see picture or not with an hdmi cable so i quess monoprice cable works just fine!

By the way the connection was 1 hdmi cable from kiss to the 2X1 Manual HDMI Switch - Push Button Type which i have bought from monoprice too and 1 cable from the switch to my AMOI LCD TV which is a native 1920X1080. The switcher works ok and besides that connection the 2 monoprice cables workes ok.

flykid83

05-24-06, 03:31 PM

I am using a Sony 50" KDF-E50A10 rear projection and a good home system HT-DDW900 with the DVP-NS75H DVD Player. Now I am in search of cables and I was wondering if there is a big difference with going with HDMI 6ft (24AWG) or HDMI 28AWG - 6ft?

(I am probably going to buy 3 HDMI wires or so. One to connect TV with to surround sound system, the cable box to surround sound system and then the DVD player to the surround sound system. Is this is the way you should connect it?)

Now my next question I have a great system that I build for my PC and I'm looking for a HDMI to DVI but I’m looking for about 15" feet, is it the same HDMI (24AWG) or HDMI 28AWG when its longer? And last thing is I think I need a switcher since my TV only has one HDMI and I need my computer to be plugged in as well is 2X1 Manual HDMI Switch - Push Button Type what I need?

Thank for the help if anyone can....

sfhub

05-24-06, 04:16 PM

flykid83

05-24-06, 04:28 PM

How do I know if its capabale of doing switching, is there a certain thing I should look for?

Actually I just orded over 2, two weeks ago from ebay site and just recieved them and the listing was this....

100% new high quality Summit Superior Brand: HDMI Male/HDMI Male Cable, 6 Feet/2 Meter
Quantity: 1
HDMI 19 pins/ HDMI 19 pins design specs.
HDMI 19 pins is the newest technology that out performs the earlier HDMI 18 pins (Make sure you get HDMI 19 pins over the HDMI 18 pins.)
The HDMI 19 pins cable is backward compatible with the older HDMI 18 pins cable devices.
A premium quality HDMI-HDMI cable suitable for use in HDTV, Home Theater, and business class projector based applications.
Features gold-plated connectors, molded strain-relief, slotted thumbscrews, and mylar-foil shielding.
Cable constructed using the high quality material for best contact connection between HDMI equipment.
Fully HDCP compliant to provide highest level of signal quality.
Supports multiple audio formats from stereo to multi-channel sound.
Transfer Digital Audio & Video signals at warp speed of 5 Gigabytes per second!
A superb cable with excellent audiovisual transfer properties that deliver signal without compromising purity and balance.
Digital video doesn't get any better than this.
Color: Black
Cable Length: Appox: 6 feet/(2 meters)

are these any good....

sfhub

05-24-06, 04:35 PM

Don't have personal experience with them. They are probably fine. If not, it will immediately be obvious as you will see sparkles or static in the picture.

IMO just go with monoprice. They have a proven track record on AVS with many satisfied customers. They ship very quick and have excellent customer service. Their cables are very good quality.

There is no "switching capability" for cables. You just connect them to the switch and they work.

And no, I don't work for them, just a satisfied customer.

gopherblue

06-23-06, 11:48 AM

Is there any reason that I should get the 24AWG HDMI cables over the 28awg cables from monoprice, if I have a 1080p set? I'm looking for 6' cables, and want to make sure that the cables support 1080p.

Thanks,
Goph

sfhub

06-23-06, 11:59 AM

I've tested all the 28AWG cables (3ft through 15ft, inclusive) at 1080p 60Hz with and without HDCP and they work fine.

I'd only suggest 24AWG if you are getting cables longer than 15ft.

Aztecian

06-23-06, 01:06 PM

I actually had an HDMI cable from MonoPrice fail recently. It was the 6' 24ga cable that they had on special for less than twenty bucks. Worked great for about two weeks and then I started getting the dreaded intermittent blue screen of snow. I blamed the DVD player and exchanged it for another with the same results. Eventually the cable completley went belly up and the Sammy was indicating no signal. Returned the cable to monoprice and asked for an exchange. Instead they refunded the purchase price of cable only. I had to pay shipping both ways, which turned out cost more than the original cable. Great customer service would have thoroughly read my request and shipped me another cable and paid the shipping!
BTW when MP received the suspect cable it did test bad.

rconn2

09-20-06, 01:10 AM

They should have paid shipping for a defective product. I agree about shipping -- it's what diminishes the cost effectiveness of ordering on-line. I just did order from monoprice, but bought a bunch of stuff to cut down on the shipping cost. I went w/ the heavier gauge premium everything -- prices were good and the order has already been shipped (ordered this am).

sfhub

09-20-06, 02:39 AM

storman

03-27-07, 11:48 PM

I see a lot of talk on this thread of 28 vs 24 AWG. In my new HT, I'll need to order a 25' HDMI cable, maybe even a little longer just to be safe, like 30'. I'll be pulling through 2" gray PVC electrical conduit. For the most part I was able to stick with gentle 90 deg bends, but I had a couple obstacles at both ends which forced me to resort to using shorter, quicker bends with 2" plumbing PVC. Seems like 24 AWG is the recommended gauge to use over 20' lengths ( I have a Sony Pearl and HD DVD player on order ) for 1080i/P. I'm concerned over the flexibility of that gauge when pulling through conduit.

Someone with experience please chime in .

Thanks,
Bill

zebracrackhead

05-11-07, 10:15 AM

The signal path I plan to use -

From the PS3 in the living room I will connect a HDMI splitter with http://www.thenerds.net/index.php?page=productpage&affid=3&pn=PCM2275&srccode=cii_9324560&cpncode=08-25824486-2 that way I can get tvs with the same signal (if anybody has used one of these please feel free to chime in about it's quality or lack thereof) and continue one HDMI cable to my Sharp 52" in the living room, and the 2nd HDMI cable I was planning on running through the walls to a Sony 40" a room away. It might be considered lazy to play games or watch movies in bed, but I figure why not maximize the bluetooth capability of the controller...plus the wife really wants movies in bed. :)

I've been looking at the following cables:

50' Tin-Plated Copper
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024001&p_id=2804&seq=1&format=2&style=

50' Silver-Plated Copper
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024001&p_id=2678&seq=1&format=2&style=

There is a $30 price difference and was wondering if there would be any difference at all if I was planning to go forward with the Tin-Plated Copper?

robsantos

05-15-07, 10:05 PM

This newbie just wants to say THANKS to all participants in this thread - I had A LOT of questions about HDMI and Monoprice cables in general, and they were all answered in some way by postings I found here.

I know it's not all gospel, but for someone learning what "AWG" is and what specs matter to me, it's fantastic to get opinions from y'all.

I love the internet - it saves me money all the time! :D

THANKS AGAIN AND AGAIN!

greywolf

05-16-07, 01:32 AM

American Wire Gauge. The lower the number, the thicker the wire. Don't worry about it. A prepared cable will have a heavy enough wire to handle the signal. Feel free to shop for price.

popimp

03-22-08, 11:37 PM

jjeff

03-23-08, 08:50 AM

I love the cables I got from Monoprice, although it took me over a month to get them......let me explain. As a cost cutting measure I'd guess, Monoprice does not back order items. If there out of stock you just cannot order them. My first order was for probably 15 different types of cables. The first time I tried 2 items were "out of stock" they have a option to be notified by e-mail when they come in, so I did that.(they also give a approx expected date on there site). About a week later both items were "in stock". Well I went to place the order, only to find out that now 3 different items were out of stock! Well this went on for a little over a month and finally all items were "in stock".
Now of course anytime I could have just ordered what they had in stock, but I wanted to save on shipping and really was not in any hurry for any of the cables. They were more just for spare/future use.
Once I finally placed my order the cables came quickly and were all of good quality. I'd recommend Monoprice to anyone.

joed32

03-23-08, 10:33 AM

They are normally pretty fast shippers and they don't charge a lot for shipping.

kucharsk

03-23-08, 02:09 PM

I like Monoprices business model. It basically skips all the high cost packaging and saves the consumer money. I bought a 10ft blue HDMI cable for about $7 with shipping. I can't believe the prices on the Monster HDMI cables. You know Monster is actually putting speed ratings on the HDMI cables?

You can debate whether Monster cables do anything of value for anything but the longest cable runs, but the speed ratings have some amount of rationale behind them.

Read this article (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hdmi-cable-battlemodo/the-truth-about-monster-cable-part-2-268788.php) for more information.

Their tests showed some long Monoprice HDMI cables failed to pass some 1080p information at long lengths (50 ft.)

The bottom line, is it likely won't make a difference between your BD player and TV, but a cable being built into the wall that may be used for future equipment that hasn't even been invented left? It may be worth the money to use cable with specs much better than needed right now.

Sort of like wiring your house with UTP; several years ago wiring with Cat 5 was just fine, but no one was thinking that someday you might have a GigE switch in your house.

Doesn't make a difference if you're just running 10 or 100 though.

Same deal with the Monster cables; in 95% of situations, the Monoprice cables will work just as well.

1AVFAN

03-23-08, 10:42 PM

Ever since I have heard about monoprice.com, I haven't used another distributor. Their products are awesome and you can't beat the price. I spend more money on the the big items and less on the wiring and still have great quality. 2 thumbs up for monoprice.com.

I am looking to get either 12awg or 14awg wire to run in wall (CL2) rated wire to run the rears, that will both be roughly 50' to 75' runs of wire. Does anyone have a guide to proper wire guage to use for distance? I wanted to make sure I am getting the correct thickness. I am planning on 14awg, but figured the 12 may be better. Thanks in advance.

rhk0327

04-18-08, 01:11 PM

hmm, i'm a firm believer of staying away from high marketed products with very tiny returns like monster cable. I ordered 200' speaker cable 12g from mono and the "economic" versions of rca audio cables. One of my rca cables is bad with the right (red) side not putting sound through. Still gonna order my replacements through them, but you might want to pay for their premium versions (assuming this is problem is like likely) to avoid this kind of hassle.

glintmasser

05-05-08, 12:35 AM

After a lot of information gathering, I purchased the HDMI 1.3a 28AWG - 6ft w/Ferrite Cores (Gold Plated Connectors) cable for $4.05 (w/o s&h) and will be using them to hook up my PS3 to the Sony KDL32XBR6. I agree with rhk0327 with the philosophy that paying more will yield diminishing returns. Granted, I haven't actually used the cable yet but after reading this thread and a myriad of other gushing reviews about monoprice, I'm sure I won't be dissapointed. In any case, I'll post again after I get the XBR6.

jpep13

05-17-08, 04:45 PM

Are these hdmi cables and optical toslink cables from monoprice video shielded aganist interference magnetically?

Skippman

05-17-08, 04:55 PM

Well, you don't have to shield TOS/LINK against magnetic interferance as light needs a REALLY REALLY powerful magentic field (think black hole) to bend it.

As for HDMI, yes they are.

jpep13

05-17-08, 09:08 PM

It was the Hdmi 1.3A 6ft Item #3992. Do you think I will be fine with these cables
and not have interference and my lcd won't turn yellow and green?

joed32

05-18-08, 08:40 AM

Are these hdmi cables and optical toslink cables from monoprice video shielded aganist interference magnetically?

They are shielded as well as any other cables.

Ross Moody

05-20-08, 08:27 AM

They are normally pretty fast shippers and they don't charge a lot for shipping.

I attempted to order 2 HDMI cables on line from Monoprice and the auto system rejected my attempt 3 times. Something about wrong address?? Anyone know if there is an email address I can contact? Calling the telephone # will cost more than the cables.:confused:

joed32

05-21-08, 10:20 AM

I attempted to order 2 HDMI cables on line from Monoprice and the auto system rejected my attempt 3 times. Something about wrong address?? Anyone know if there is an email address I can contact? Calling the telephone # will cost more than the cables.:confused:

That is strange, hope someone can help you. They are a great company to deal with.

Ross Moody

05-21-08, 10:51 AM

That is strange, hope someone can help you. They are a great company to deal with.

Thanks they did respond but nothing has been resolved. The on line order form accuses me of changing the ship to zip which is baloney. I guess 31605 is in a foreign country to them. Four tries is enough for me. I'll pay Best Buy inflated price and move on.:(

OBCT

05-21-08, 10:56 AM

Not that I don't like Monoprice myself (I do), but if you're having problems ordering from their site, why not try out a couple more Internet retailers before going the Best Buy route?

BlueJeansCable.com, TartanCable.com, RAMElectronics.net, Lenexpo-electronics.com, PartsExpress.com might be good places to try. ;)

Beerstalker

05-21-08, 11:27 AM

When you try to buy stuff online with a credit card they compare your billing address to the billing address for the credit card you are using. If they do not match the card gets denied. I have had trouble with this before as some sites treat an apartment number as a second line in the address, and some sites keep it in the first line. My billing adress has my apartment number in the first line, so if a site puts it in the second line, my card gets declined.

Other things that can cause issues are typos in the address, spelling out North, South, as opposed to just putting N, or S, spelling out street, road, etc instead of using St, Rd. Make sure that your billing address matches that on your credit card bill exactly.

westgate

07-09-08, 05:46 PM

i ordered, online saturday, a new 15' hdmi-dvi cable for my ht; it shipped monday am from rancho cucamonga ca and arrived today here in vermont. roughly 50 hours to go 3000 miles:eek:. not bad!:)
usps, no less!

musta' been magic!

AcIdC0R3

08-28-08, 06:03 AM

I bought speaker cable with banana plugs terminated at both ends from www.rivercable.com. The Flexygy8 series.
I have a 7.1 surround system.
15m @ $632.89pr. x 2 for my back surrounds.
10m @ $524.89pr. x 2 for my side surrounds.
5m @ $416.89pr. x 2 for my front left and right speakers.
1m @ $330.49 for my center speaker.
That's over $3400.00 just for speaker wire alone. River Cables is one of the best you can buy. My speakers sounded phenominal. I wound up selling the whole set on ebay and used the money that I made to buy the Onkyo TX-NR905 with money to spare. I turned around and bought 500ft of 16AWG CL2-conductor Loud Speaker cable for $70 from monoprice and couldn't tell the difference. I also bought there copper speaker banana plugs for every single terminated speaker cable for $40. I also bought a 3ft and a 6ft HDMI 1.3a cable with ferrite cores for $4.49 & $5.24 and they are better than the Monster HDMI that I had. I wound up taking the Monsters' back and got my money back. If you're going to buy any kind of cable; go monoprice all the way.

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Onkyo TX-NR905 AV Receiver
Samsung LN46A550 LCD HDTV
Samsung BD-P1500 soon to be Samsung BD-P2500 Blu-Ray
Onkyo DV-SP1000 DVD Player
Marantz Reference Series SA-15S1 SACD player
Pronto TSU9600 Color Remote Control
1pair - M60 v2 Floor Standing Speakers
VP150 v2 Center Channel Speaker
1pair - QS8 v2 Surround Speakers for my side surrounds since their Di-Pole.
1pair - M3 v2 Bookshelf Speakers for my rear forward facing surrounds.
1pair - M22 v2 Bookshelf Speakers for 2nd zone (pool room)
SVS PB13-ULTRA Subwoofer

BeachComber

08-28-08, 06:19 AM

AcIdC0R3

08-30-08, 02:10 AM

Well, I was fairly new to HT and a salesman at a local hifi audio/video shop told me that I should spend just as much on my speaker wire as I did my speakers. Which at that time were a complete Polk 7.1 speaker setup. Needless to say; after about six months I was reading an article or review somewhere online that there is no need to buy the highest end cables around and that in most instinces, regularly priced or slightly better quality cables are just as good; if not better. Talk about pissed off. Needless to say, I never returned to that shop again. A great majority of HT sales people don't have a clue about HT. Well, I sold the whole lot on ebay and made $2200 for them and turned around and bought the Onkyo TX-NR905 with the money that I had made. I wound up selling the complete Polk speaker setup on ebay too and bought Axiom in there place. It was a toss-up between the AV123 Rocket series and the Axioms. I finally decided on the Axioms because of the good warranty, customer service and other things. I am very pleased with my Axioms. I also bought a 500ft roll of cl2 certified 16AWG 2-conductor speaker cable at monoprice for $70. I am very pleased with it. When I bought my Axioms, I almost bought 500ft of there speaker wire. It costs 0.98ft. That would have been a mistake. Shopped around and found monoprice. Anyway, to make a long story short, I'm a little more careful how I spend my money on HT products. And as it is, I'm very pleased with all of my audio and video components despite what you think of them. I use every single one of them and they are excellent quality components. You should no be so judgemental on what other people like. Just a word to the wise.

/\©|d©ØR€
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Onkyo TX-NR905 AV Receiver
Samsung LN46A550 LCD HDTV
Samsung BD-P1500 soon to be Samsung BD-P2500 Blu-Ray
Onkyo DV-SP1000 DVD Player
Marantz Reference Series SA-15S1 SACD player
Pronto TSU9600 Color Remote Control
1pair - M60 v2 Floor Standing Speakers
VP150 v2 Center Channel Speaker
1pair - QS8 v2 Surround Speakers for my side surrounds since their Di-Pole.
1pair - M3 v2 Bookshelf Speakers for my rear forward facing surrounds.
1pair - M22 v2 Bookshelf Speakers for 2nd zone (pool room)
SVS PB13-ULTRA Subwoofer