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zh.guitar
02-03-06, 10:43 PM
I am setting up a Infocus IN76 projector. I need to have Direct TV for the football ticket. I would also like to have picture in a picture. Direct TV says their boxes don't have this feature. Anyone have a solution?

Ken H
02-03-06, 11:19 PM
How much do you want to spend?

zh.guitar
02-03-06, 11:44 PM
doesn't matter. I would like to find out about all options. Ultimately I would pay $$$ if it had pip, split, multi pic etc.....

rlj5242
02-04-06, 12:36 AM
You will need 2 subscribed boxes to get PiP with DirecTV. There's no other way.

And please clean up your acronyms. DTV=Digital Television. D* is the appropriate abbreviation for DirecTV. If you don't how would you discuss your D* receiver that tunes in OTA DTV?

-Robert

zh.guitar
02-04-06, 12:47 AM
I don't think just 2 boxes will do it. What would select or create the PIP?

Thanks for the education on the abbreviations.

rlj5242
02-04-06, 12:55 AM
With my TV, I would hit the PiP button on my TV's remote control. One receiver connects to one input and one receiver connects to another input.

The only D* receiver that ever had built in PiP was the UltimateTV. It hasn't been in production for a few years.

-Robert

zh.guitar
02-04-06, 12:57 AM
I am going to hook up my Flat pannel that way but this is for a front projector IN76.

rlj5242
02-04-06, 01:11 AM
I missed the projector part in the first post. You are screwed unless you can get a external box like a scaler that will do the PiP processing for you. If you can find one, I bet it won't be cheap......With my projector, I just buffer swap on my HD DirecTivo. I can easily watch 2 sporting events and never miss a play.

-Robert

teterd
02-05-06, 06:36 PM
You will need 2 subscribed boxes to get PiP with DirecTV. There's no other way.

And please clean up your acronyms. DTV=Digital Television. D* is the appropriate abbreviation for DirecTV. If you don't how would you discuss your D* receiver that tunes in OTA DTV?

-Robert
Aloha, I am an extreme newbe. I just ordered a 60" SXRD. I have been reading these forums for two days now and have truly learned a great deal. The main problem I am having is the extensive use of acronyms. I understand the necessity for these acronyms as it does cut down on the length of messages and speeds up typing. My question is this: Is there a link to an acronym cheat sheet or something where one can learn these acronyms. The amount of good data in these forums is overwhelming at best and when one couples this with trying to decipher acronyms, well, it amounts to input over load. I did a search on acronyms and was sent to this message. Any help in this area would be appreciated from you or from anyone out there.

bgooch
02-06-06, 01:30 AM
35 terms and definitions
http://www.hdbeat.com/2005/10/22/hdtv-defined/

Glossary of HDTV terms and definitions
http://technology360.typepad.com/technology360/2004/08/glossary_of_hdt.html

Here are some definitions you might find useful:

8VSB - 8-level Vestigial Sideband Modulation (ATSC standard for OTA)
AC-3 – Audio Code 3
ADC - Analog to Digital Conversion
AM - Amplitude Modulation
ATSC – Advanced Television Systems Committee
BEV - Bell ExpressVu
bps – bits per second (also b/s)
Bps - Bytes per second (8 bits per Byte)
BNC – Bayonet Neill-Concelman (A connector named after the two gentlemen)
BUD - Big Ugly/Useful Dish
CATV – Cable TV (Community Antenna TV)
CAB – Canadian Association of Broadcasters
CD – Compact Disc
CD-R – Recordable CD
CD-ROM – Computer Data CD
CD-RW – Rewritable CD
CG – Computer Graphics
CPU – Central Processing Unit
CRT – Cathode Ray Tube (Direct View TV)
CRTC: Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission
DAB – Digital Audio Broadcasting
DAC - Digital to Analog Conversion
DAT – Digital Audio Tape
dB - decibel (a measure of sound level, loudness)
DBS - Direct Broadcast Satellite
DD - Dolby Digital
DIY - Do it Yourself
DLP – Digital Light Processing (Texas Instruments)
DMD – Digital Micromirror Device (used in DLPs)
DSP – Digital Signal Processing
DTH - Direct To Home (DBS service)
DTS - Digital Theater System (similar to Dolby Digital)
DTV - Digital Television (All HDTV is DTV, but all DTV is not HDTV)
DVD – Digital Video/Versatile Disc
DVI - Digital Video/Visual Interface
DVR - Digital Video Recorder (same as a PVR)
E* - Echostar
ECM – Electronic Counter Measures (satellite receiver disable)
EDTV - Enhanced Definition Television (480P)
EPG - Electronic Programme Guide (see also IPG)
FAQ - Frequently Asked Question(s)
FM - Frequency Modulation
FTA - Free To Air DBS service (not to be confused with OTA)
GTA - Greater Toronto Area
HBO – Home Box Office (US Movie Channel)
HD – High Definition
HDD – Hard Disk Drive
HDCP - High Definition Content Protection
HDMI - High-Definition Multimedia Interface
HDTV - High Definition Television (720P, 1080i, 1080P)
HTIB - Home Theater In a Box (DD5.1 Receiver/Speakers and/or DVD)
HTPC - Home Theatre Personal Computer (recording TV on a PC)
Hz – Hertz (cycles per second) kilo (1,000) mega (1,000,000), giga, etc.
IEEE – Institute of Electrical & Electronic Engineers
IEEE 1394 – Firewire, I-Link interface
IPG - Interactive Programme Guide (see also EPG)
IR – Infrared (used for remote controls)
IRD - Integrated Receiver Decoder
IRE – Institute of Radio Engineers
ISF - Imaging Science Foundation (TV Calibration)
IT – Information Technology
LCD - Liquid Crystal Display
LCoS – Liquid Crystal on Silicon
LD – Laserdisc
LED – Light Emitting Diode
LFE - Low Frequency Effects (signal for subwoofer)
LNB - Low Noise Block (Downconverter for Satellite Dishes)
MD - Minidisc
MMD - Micro Mirror Device (DLP Technology)
MP3 – MPEG-1 Layer 3 audio encoding
MPEG - Moving Picture Experts Group
NAB – National Association of Broadcasters
NTSC - National Television Systems Committee
OAR - Original Aspect Ratio (1.33:1, 1.85:1, 2.35:1 are some standards)
OFC – Oxygen Free Copper
OFHC – Oxygen Free High Conductivity Copper
OS – Operating System
OTA – Over The Air
P&S – Pan and Scan
PAL – Phase Alternation Line (European TV)
PAP - Picture alongside Picture
PCM – Pulse Code Modulation
PIP – Picture in Picture
POP - Picture outside of Picture (side by side PIP)
POD – Point Of Deployment (PCMCIA-like device on new HDTVs)
PQ - Picture Quality
PPV – Pay Per View
PVR - Personal Video Recorder (see also DVR)
QAM - Quadrature Amplitude Modulation (binary data over Cable)
RAM – Random Access Memory
RF – Radio Frequency (some remotes are RF, instead of IR)
RGB – Red Green Blue (TV CRTs) (also type of connection)
ROM – Read Only Memory
RPTV- Rear Projection Television
RTFM - Read The F... (fine operating) Manual
SA – Scientific Atlanta (Maker of STBs)
SACD - Super Audio Compact Disc (Sony)
SAP – Secondary Audio Programme
SD - Standard Definition (480i)
SDTV – Standard Definition Television
SKU – Stock Keeping Unit (inventory, piece of equipment)
S/N – Signal to Noise Ratio
SPL – Sound Pressure Level
*C - Star Choice
SPDIF - Sony Phillips Digital Interface (Coax for digital sound)
STB - Set top box (Cable, Satellite or OTA)
S-VHS – Super VHS (about 400 lines resolution)
SVM - Scan Velocity Modulation
SVOD - Subscription Video on Demand
THD – Total Harmonic Distortion
TMN - The Movie Network (Canadian)
UHF - Ultra High Frequency TV channels (14-69) where most DTV stations are
UPS – Uninteruptable Power Supply
USB – Universal Serial Bus
VBI - Vertical Blanking Interval. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_blanking_interval
VCR – Video Cassette Recorder
VGA - Video Graphics Array (480 x 640)
VHF - Very High Frequency TV channels (2-6 = low band, 7-13 = high band)

VHS – Video Home System (about 240 lines resolution)
VTR - Video Tape Recorder
VOD - Video On Demand
WS – Widescreen
XGA - eXtended Graphics Array (768 x 1024)
Y – Luminance
Y/C – Luminance + Chrominance (S-Video)
YCbCr – Digital Luminance + Colour Difference
YPbPr – Analogue Luminance + Colour Difference (Component Video)

macroblocking - The "squares" that you sometimes see on digital programming (HD or SD) when there is too much compression of the signal, or a lot of movement on screen. (Created by MPEG limitations (compression) in HD and compression on SD digital). (sometimes described as a "game of Tetris" on your TV, when you're not playing the game... )These do not go away with increased signal strength. See sample image of macroblocking as attachment at the bottom of this post.

pixellation - The "squares" that you can sometimes see on digital channels, but they differ from macroblocking. These are "colourful" (red, green or black etc "very hard" blotches) caused by a borderline signal strength. These go away with increased signal strength, the picture goes away with decreased signal strength.

from: http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17715

teterd
02-06-06, 02:36 PM
Aloha and thanks for the extensive listing.
Dan-

moxie1617
02-06-06, 03:27 PM
Aloha, I am an extreme newbe. I just ordered a 60" SXRD. I have been reading these forums for two days now and have truly learned a great deal. The main problem I am having is the extensive use of acronyms. I understand the necessity for these acronyms as it does cut down on the length of messages and speeds up typing. My question is this: Is there a link to an acronym cheat sheet or something where one can learn these acronyms. The amount of good data in these forums is overwhelming at best and when one couples this with trying to decipher acronyms, well, it amounts to input over load. I did a search on acronyms and was sent to this message. Any help in this area would be appreciated from you or from anyone out there.

I recently learned of a new google search option that I found helpful. In the search bar type define: followed by the word or acronym you are looking for.

zh.guitar
02-08-06, 09:20 PM
Anyone else have ideas on how to do PIP for D* with a projector?

zh.guitar
02-08-06, 09:21 PM
I missed the projector part in the first post. You are screwed unless you can get a external box like a scaler that will do the PiP processing for you. If you can find one, I bet it won't be cheap......With my projector, I just buffer swap on my HD DirecTivo. I can easily watch 2 sporting events and never miss a play.

-Robert


How do you buffer swap?

rlj5242
02-09-06, 01:58 PM
Put tuner A on channel 1 and hit pause. Put tuner B on channel 2 and watch. When I reach a commercial, I hit the pause button then the down arrow on the remote to switch to tuner A. Watch until commercial. Pause. Switch tuners. Fast forward through commercial and watch until next commercial. Pause. Switch tuners. Fast forward through commercial and watch until next commercial. Pause. Switch tuners. Fast forward through commercial and watch until next commercial. Pause. Switch tuners. Fast forward through commercial and watch until next commercial. And so on........

It's quite easy to do.

-Robert

zh.guitar
02-09-06, 05:53 PM
Sweet. I missed the dual tuner part. I have a single Tivo. That will be a big help and a pretty easy solution if I can't find the tuner or a scaler with PIP.

Ken H
02-09-06, 10:54 PM
I've been looking, but haven't found a solution. I thought one existed.

Please contact Jason Terk at the AVS Store, as he is more familiar with these products than I am. http://www.avscience.com/line_list.htm

bfoster
02-09-06, 11:04 PM
Here is a non HD device.

http://www.ovation.co.uk/Gemini4/Gemini.html

bfoster
02-09-06, 11:19 PM
HD PiP devices that will require D* receivers.

http://www.spcomms.com/videoscalerelite/

http://www.tvone.com/c2-4100.shtml

zh.guitar
02-09-06, 11:34 PM
Wow 4k.

The tvone looks cool but no price.

hmmmmm thanks bfoster that's on the right track.

bfoster
02-10-06, 12:17 AM
You're the one that said cost didn't matter. :D

zh.guitar
02-20-06, 10:44 PM
Price doesn't really matter....... but for 4k I would rather put up another screen with a seperate receiver. :)

Any other options out there?

John Mason
02-21-06, 02:36 PM
Might try the HTPC forum, too. A chip in my dual-tuner SA8300HD DVR cable STB does this PIP manipulation, and perhaps some of the graphics cards for HTPCs (home theater PCs) now have this PIP ability. -- John

zh.guitar
08-21-06, 01:08 AM
Any new products for PIP with HD D* and an Infocus IN76?

zh.guitar
03-02-07, 12:56 AM
bump

Anything new to give PIP with a projector?