A lot of people are renting this flick now and seeing it for the first time. Some of the idiots that downed it way back are well idiotic and moronic. This was a Dreamworks project by Speilberg. The character development and storyline are superb. This is a flat out great movie, with chase scenes unequaled. Futuristic superb and scary as to the C word. Shame on you who cut down this flick - you know not what a good movie is.

Some of the idiots that downed it way back are well idiotic and moronic.

Very eloquently stated, the first post in the article and you're already making personal attacks :rolleyes: . I'll stand up and be counted as one of the "idiotic and moronic" if being the opposite means liking this film.

If others like this film that's cool by me, but if you're on the fence take it from an idiot and a moron and don't blind buy this one. At best it's a "wait for cable" movie.

Edit: Looking at the title of this thread I thought I would respond a little more to the assertion that "The Island" is the best sci-fi movie of the last 10 years.

A list of some sci-fi movies released in the last 10 years (1995-2005) in no particular order (and not necessarily ones considered to be "great" by me):

Dark City
The Matrix
Star Wars Episode 3
Serenity
A.I.
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
War of the Worlds
12 Monkeys
Ghost in the Shell
Pitch Black
Chronicles of Riddick
The Fifth Element

The only good thing about The Island was Scarlett Johansson. I could contentedly watch that angelic face deliver even the most inane dialogue in even the most poorly directed film--as I did when I watched The Island...

It's just a rehash of low-budget 70's schlock The Clonus Horror (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078062/) anyway, nothing original or unique. Definitely not the best scifi flick in the month it was released, much less the decade.

While I did like the movie, I would never call someone idiotic for disliking it. Everyone likes different things and there's no wrong or right about it.

"The Island"- Best Science Fiction Flick in Ten Years...

You have got to be kidding....

Well, I agree that it was better than it's critics gave it credit for. I don't know if I'd go as far as calling it the "best" sci-fi flick in ten years though. Out of joekun's list I'd say it was at least as good as, if not better than:

Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
War of the Worlds
12 Monkeys
Ghost in the Shell
Pitch Black

As far as my favorite out of his list goes, I'd have to put "Serenity" at the top.

Although I liked The Island for what it was, I would not call it the best sci-fi in 10 yrs. For that distinction, it should be original, have great characters, or thought-provoking. For me, having just great action scenes is NOT what good sci-fi is about. Unfortunately, that's what Hollywood thinks, so instead of thought-provoking classics like The Day The Earth Stood Still, Soylent Green, Forbidden Planet, Planet of the Apes, and The Matrix, we get over-the-top films like ID4.

In the first half of The Island, I saw much of the film was borrowed from Logan's Run, THX1138, Coma (I haven't seen The Clonus Horror). As far as the action is concerned, it was over-the-top, highly unbelievable, like superhero comic-book stuff or Roger Moore era James Bond and detracted from the basic storyline and its implications. In recent yrs, Hollywood hasn't been able to make a good sci-fi flick w/o resorting to action & CGI. However, it redeemed itself with WOTW. Not only did WOTW capture the terror, confusion, and devastation, it combined that with state-of-the-art special effects and action sequences. I was on the edge of my seat for 2 hrs with that film.

My wife and I agreed that about 20 minutes could have been edited out of the The Island and made it a tighter & more enjoyable movie. THX1138 it is NOT. And more scenes should have been devoted to Scarlet :D

I hope to be intrigued with the original Russian version of Solaris, since I got the DVD last week. 12 Monkeys and The Matrix should be on the top ten list, for sure. I can't remember when The Abyss came out, but it too was thought provoking, had the wonderment of a hostile and deadly environment, and showed humanity and its best & worst.

ss9001

A lot of people are renting this flick now and seeing it for the first time. Some of the idiots that downed it way back are well idiotic and moronic. This was a Dreamworks project by Speilberg. The character development and storyline are superb. This is a flat out great movie, with chase scenes unequaled. Futuristic superb and scary as to the C word. Shame on you who cut down this flick - you know not what a good movie is.
:rolleyes: Count me among the moronic idiots. But I do know what a good movie is-- and The Island aint it.

I was disappointed that Scarlett even chose to act in this movie. I hope she goes back to acting in movies like Lost in Translation and love Song for Bobby Long.

I enjoyed The Island for what it was, a fun action packed popcorn movie.

Is this a joke? Best Sci Fi in 10 years??

Count me in the moron club.

Jon

Is this a joke? Best Sci Fi in 10 years??

The OP must be very easy to please ;)
I love scifi, and I completely agree, it is not even close to a Best. At best, a C+ as scifi goes. So I'm also in the id-10T club.

ss9001

another in the moron club here. only for the fact that i watched that piece of rubbish on a plane i would never have sat through it

i struggle to find one redeeming feature...i'm not a fan of miss johansson, so even that didn't work for me..

It was good to see this one flop like a dying fish at the box office. Maybe it'll help send the message that there's no use for Bay-esque dreck.

I enjoyed The Island for what it was, a fun action packed popcorn movie.

+1

I wish people would stop being so harsh about what they consider a good/bad movie. We all like different types of movies, end of story. I hated Pulp Fiction and loved Van Helsing. Many people have just the opposite opinion. As long as we all enjoy what we watch who the heck cares what someone else thought of a movie. That is one thing that I do NOT trust AVS for... opinions on movies. There is lots of knowledge to be gained here but letting others pick what movie you watch is rediculous.

I just wish they didn't screw up the Canadian disc... 5.1 track is French, 2.0 track is English! I refuse to listen to either :mad:

Anyone want to loan me their English 5.1 version so I can offer an opinion? :D

Well!!! you can count me in as a moronic idiot as well. :rolleyes: I thought of the movie as pure turd.

but to call it best sci-fi movie in the past 10 years is a bit far fetched.
but you know what they say....to each his own.

in this case neither of us are moronic idiots, we just have different tastes....that's all!!! :)

...Futuristic superb and scary as to the C word...

Eh? "C word"? I must really be getting old. Is this some kind of new slang?

BTW, I've got The Island on our Netflix list. We'll probably give it a try with a few glasses of wine when there's nothing better to watch.

Doug

<--------- i'm with stupid

IMO
It'd be extremely difficult to knock The Fifth Element off as my #1 SciFi of the last ten years; no way does The Island do that!!

This was a Dreamworks project by Speilberg.
This film was directed by Michael Bay. That should be enough info to establish its place in the pecking order of great sci fi for the past 10 years. :p

This was a Dreamworks project by Speilberg.

This film was directed by Michael Bay.

idiotic and moronic
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/THK/THK013/c0042349.jpg
;)

The Fifth Element is one of the few movies that just gets better *every* time you see it. Having taken some film classes in college, it is a tremendous film, even though many people took it as serious rather than a fun, tongue in cheek romp. Blade Runner has to be just about the best serious Sci-Fi movie still. Well, that and 2001.

I thought it was pretty underrated, though not the best SF movie of last year. I'd give that title to Serenity. But I was surprised at how The Island had such a bad reputation, after I enjoyed the heck out of it. Sure it borrowed from THX 1138, Clonus, and Logan's Run, but we were overdue for that type of movie anyway.

man, at all the haters hatin on the hater.

I didn't know Michael Bay was from Houston. You learn something every day!

Hey Mr. Bay, are you really doing the next Jason picture? It will be the best Friday the 13th in ten years!

Tool.

IMO
It'd be extremely difficult to knock The Fifth Element off as my #1 SciFi of the last ten years; no way does The Island do that!!

Well... The Fifth Element "could" have been one of the best in the last ten years, had they not had that stupid Chris Tucker role in it. That one character totally ruined an otherwise flawless Sci-Fi movie.

Well... The Fifth Element "could" have been one of the best in the last ten years, had they not had that stupid Chris Tucker role in it. That one character totally ruined an otherwise flawless Sci-Fi movie.
Rent Prince's Under the Cherry Moon and then check CT's performance again. :D

This 'Moron Club' is the fastest growing organization I've ever seen. And I haven't yet watched The Island. That probably has something to do with Bay coining it "a summer popcorn-movie". If this film is better than I, Robot (a popcorn-movie that's actually decent), it must be a brilliant piece of work.

BTW, CT didn't destroy FE, as it was clearly toungue(tongue)-in-cheek the whole ride.

I'm in the minority here but I found it very entertaining. The action, and ms Johannson in tight pants would have been enough for me but it's lots more. I would not agree with the OP but as an example The Matrix Revolutions doesn't hold up well with repeat viewings for me nor does Episode III.

I would agree that Dark City is a lot better for example but it is getting close to a decade out now.

Art

The Fifth Element is one of the few movies that just gets better *every* time you see it. Having taken some film classes in college, it is a tremendous film, even though many people took it as serious rather than a fun, tongue in cheek romp. Blade Runner has to be just about the best serious Sci-Fi movie still. Well, that and 2001.

I'm with you, man! 2001, Planet of the Apes, Forbidden Planet, Blade Runner are on my best list.

Also, didn't Bay do ID4? If so, that explains a lot.

ss9001

Well... The Fifth Element "could" have been one of the best in the last ten years, had they not had that stupid Chris Tucker role in it. That one character totally ruined an otherwise flawless Sci-Fi movie.

That statement alone disqualifies you from having an opinion! :D

I'm with you, man! 2001, Planet of the Apes, Forbidden Planet, Blade Runner are on my best list.

I just watched Planet of the Apes the other night on TV and got sucked in by it all over again. Great flick! Some elements, such as some of the music could be a bit less cheesy, but still.

That statement alone disqualifies you from having an opinion! :D

Really? And I would say that if you thought that Chris Tucker actually added anything positive to TFE, then that would overwhelmingly disqualify "your" opinion. The man's performance was fingernails on a chalk board, and totally uneccessarily distracted from the rest of the movie.

Rutgar, Tucker didn't just add to the movie, he practically made it. Without it, the film wouldn't quite have made the point which still passes right over your head - the movie was all about being over the top with completely "out there" characterization. You act as though he was Jar Jar Binks. Now THAT was "fingernails on a chalkboard". It's okay if you don't understand the movie, but CT's character was there for a reason and was perfectly in context with the perfectly paced silliness of the film. If you think it was "unnecessary", I guess you'll be more happy with movies like The Island, I suppose. :D

I enjoyed THE ISLAND at the theater... I was very pleasantly surprised. I haven't rented it yet on DVD.

Better than "The Matrix? Better than "Serenity"? I think not. It wasn't even the best Sci-Fi film of 2005 thanks to the release of "Serenity". :D

I hated the Island! Started out reasonably interesting but went downhill from there. Whats with the fast cuts - no shot lasted for more than 20secs!

I thought The Island was decent, better than some of the reviews here make it out to be for sure, but in no way is it even close to the best in the last 10 years imo.

No guys, really, The Island IS the best "science fiction" flick in the last 10 years...and here's why:

They were clones! With all the current baning on stem-cell and all other "controversial" research, the fact that they were saying it actually happened makes it great "fiction", since the "science" will never be allowed to proceed. We'll likely see time travel become a reality before the general public is informed enough to make an intelligent opinion on cloning, rather than a knee-jerk reaction to the scare tactics thrown at their "moral" inhibitions.

Granted, this is taking the term "science fiction" a bit literally, but I rarely see any real science in a sci-fi flick.

Very eloquently stated, the first post in the article and you're already making personal attacks :rolleyes: . I'll stand up and be counted as one of the "idiotic and moronic" if being the opposite means liking this film.

If others like this film that's cool by me, but if you're on the fence take it from an idiot and a moron and don't blind buy this one. At best it's a "wait for cable" movie.

Edit: Looking at the title of this thread I thought I would respond a little more to the assertion that "The Island" is the best sci-fi movie of the last 10 years.

A list of some sci-fi movies released in the last 10 years (1995-2005) in no particular order (and not necessarily ones considered to be "great" by me):

Dark City
The Matrix
Star Wars Episode 3
Serenity
A.I.
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
War of the Worlds
12 Monkeys
Ghost in the Shell
Pitch Black
Chronicles of Riddick
The Fifth Element

Only A.I. equals Island- another Dreamworks movie. Case closed.

A lot of people are renting this flick now and seeing it for the first time. Some of the idiots that downed it way back are well idiotic and moronic. This was a Dreamworks project by Speilberg. The character development and storyline are superb. This is a flat out great movie, with chase scenes unequaled. Futuristic superb and scary as to the C word. Shame on you who cut down this flick - you know not what a good movie is.

"Je ne connais pas de plus grand plaisir, que d'être traité de con par des imbéciles" (I know no greater pleasure than being called an idiot by imbeciles).

;)

Now seriously, the movie was awful and it will be remembered as the flop that pushed Dreamworks over the edge, to be phagocyted by Paramount.

Really? And I would say that if you thought that Chris Tucker actually added anything positive to TFE, then that would overwhelmingly disqualify "your" opinion. The man's performance was fingernails on a chalk board, and totally uneccessarily distracted from the rest of the movie.

Well that's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. But Chris Tucker was one of the reasons I loved Fifth Element. His "way over the top" character was outrageously funny. It fit perfectly and added a ton of laughs to an already great SciFi.

man, at all the haters hatin on the hater.And I hate you for hatin on the haters who are hatin on the hater.
Quick, say that three times as fast as you can.

Look, he has a point. It was better than Star Wars. But then again anything's better than Star Wars.

Only A.I. equals Island- another Dreamworks movie. Case closed.

Ok, I for one liked The Island, I wouldnt call it the best flick in the last 10 years or the last year but it was a good movie and after renting it I decided to buy it.

As far as The Island being compared to A.I. ,,,, A.I. was the biggest abortion to EVER hit a movie screen.
I was personaly ashamed that I sat thru that entire waste of celuloid hoping it would get better, it never got better, it just kept getting worse and worser.
I even considered slashing my wrist after watching that pile of s#@t called A.I. .


Davyo

The island was the best XBox/Cadillac commercial that Ive seen
this year...
Well wait, the Superbowl Cadillac commercial was a little better ;)

A point of clarification (perhaps even a few):

1) AI blew hard, way harder than Island.

2) Whoever thought of auditioning Chris Tucker for anything, let alone cast him in a movie, not to mention flirt with bringing The Fifth Element down like a house of cards, should be banned from the entertainment industry.

3) The Island wasn't nearly as bad as people give it credit for.

4) Scarlett J. is somewhat pleasant to look at, attractive but not all that pretty. She is a pretty fair actor.

OK kiddies, hope I've set you straight on some of the bigger relevant stuff -- feel free to proceed now that you have gained proper reorientation.

I'm with you, man! 2001, Planet of the Apes, Forbidden Planet, Blade Runner are on my best list.

If you're talking about the original Planet of the Apes with Chuck Heston, none of these were made within the last 10 years, which was the topic ;)

Also, didn't Bay do ID4? If so, that explains a lot.

No, Roland Emmerich directed ID4.

Regards,

The island was the best XBox/Cadillac commercial that Ive seen
this year...
Well wait, the Superbowl Cadillac commercial was a little better ;)
I thought The Island was an Adidas/Aquafina/Chrysler ad? :D

I'm not sure what category to place me in. I enjoy The Island, but it isn't the Best or in my top 10 list of SciFi over the last 10 years either.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this one yet in their list: Gattaca

Cheers,

I thought The Island was an Adidas/Aquafina/Chrysler ad? :D

And at least one futuristic beer can, I can't remember the brand. Scarlett has that ripe ,ready for picking, lips and body. Luscious I think is the term. :D

Art

One of the things that really irritated me about The Island was that it could have been really good. Instead it was just wasted promise.

And at least one futuristic beer can, I can't remember the brand. Scarlett has that ripe ,ready for picking, lips and body. Luscious I think is the term. :D

Art
I think the term is 'low-hanging fruit.' :D

There's nothing like obvious product placement to make you really hate a movie.

As far as The Island being compared to A.I. ,,,, A.I. was the biggest abortion to EVER hit a movie screen.
I was personaly ashamed that I sat thru that entire waste of celuloid hoping it would get better, it never got better, it just kept getting worse and worser.
I even considered slashing my wrist after watching that pile of s#@t called A.I.

From that list I posted earlier (grabbed from IMDB) A.I. and Dark City were by far the best films (not sure why everyone loves Serenity, and I'm a big Joss Whedon fan). It's going to take a long time, maybe after Spielberg has died, but A.I. will eventually be seen for the masterpiece that it is.

To keep on topic though, here is what I originally posted about The Island after seeing it back in July:

The Island - Check Brain at Door. Okay, so you already knew that. If you take the recommendation I think this film can be fun. However it will not stand up to any kind of analysis whatsoever. I couldn't help but drive a "wide load" truck through the plot holes in my mind as the film unfolded. Nothing more than a summer distraction.

I don't hate the movie, I just didn't like it.

A.I. a masterpiece????
I don't get it...

It's going to take a long time, maybe after Spielberg has died, but A.I. will eventually be seen for the masterpiece that it is..

I agree, but the problem is that the ending is so.........unsettling and just leaves you with a large pit in your stomach for weeks, at least it did me. And I kept telling myself that a really good movie makes an emotional mark on you, for better or worse, but it really was a dark, cold ending that few would really enjoy. That, however, doesn't make it a bad movie, because it was effective.

Maybe I need to watch it again.
I saw it at the movies and we left the theater totally numb and unable to say anything about the movie.
I don't know how effective that was...

I agree, but the problem is that the ending is so.........unsettling and just leaves you with a large pit in your stomach for weeks, at least it did me. And I kept telling myself that a really good movie makes an emotional mark on you, for better or worse, but it really was a dark, cold ending that few would really enjoy. That, however, doesn't make it a bad movie, because it was effective.
I agree. I think AI is one of the best films Spielberg has done. It is not easy to watch; it is very emotionally engaging and ultimately nihilistic. My wife also loved it, but refuses to watch it again.

My favorite part of The Island is the credits. Really like the music.

I agree. I think AI is one of the best films Spielberg has done. It is not easy to watch; it is very emotionally engaging and ultimately nihilistic. My wife also loved it, but refuses to watch it again.OT, but A.I. may be the first Speilberg movie without the standard happy-sappy ending. Bittersweet it was. I hope they bury it in a vault for 10 years and let it age like wine. It'll be much appreciated later on.

I agree. I think AI is one of the best films Spielberg has done. It is not easy to watch; it is very emotionally engaging and ultimately nihilistic. My wife also loved it, but refuses to watch it again.

Yeah, I'm the same way. Great movie for its powerful, disturbing ending but I really don't need to feel that way again, thanks. It left me with a completely hopeless "what's the point of life anyway" feeling that didn't go away for weeks. I rarely have a movie affect my emotional state so deeply.

Don't trust the CRITICS.

They totally trashed the PHANTOM OF THE OPERA movie, and it turned out to be spectacular - with great acting, singing,, drama, comedy -everything

Most "critics" are failed screenwriters with an axe to grind

In the first half of The Island, I saw much of the film was borrowed from Logan's Run, THX1138, Coma (I haven't seen The Clonus Horror). As far as the action is concerned, it was over-the-top, highly unbelievable, like superhero comic-book stuff or Roger Moore era James Bond and detracted from the basic storyline and its implications.Agreed... the 1st third of the movie was excellent and showed a lot of promise. I even forgot that it was a Bay film. However, the last 1/2's over the top chases and cliched endings completely ruined the movie for me.

1) AI blew hard, way harder than Island.You are entitled to that opinion just as long as you don't think there were aliens in A.I.. Check out this essay (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?postid=2059277#post2059277) for more insights.

I would put The Fifth Element and The Chronicals of Riddick as my top 2 in the last 10 years. A.I. sucked ass but I do love The Minority Report, i Robot, The Matrix and Serenity. But I'm waiting for HBO or Cinemax to show the Island to make a call in it. I hope it's good cause I liked the commericals I saw.

My only clear suspicion after reading this thread: HoustonGuy owns some Dreamworks stock.

Gary

For me the movie went downhill fairly fast to the point that about halfway through I couldn't take it serious and lost all interest in the characters. I think it was Roger Ebert that said something to the extent of... I'll go along with any premise the movie creates as long as they stay within the world it creates. I don't remember all the rules they broke but an example is villains firing one million rounds of bullets and hitting nothing and our heroes never miss. I enjoyed an average science fiction like Code 46 more.

Take the 5th Element, great look, over the top plot, huge cheese factor, criticized for this when first released. Overwhelming acceptance and re-watches have now categorized this movie as a watershed. It was meant to be exactly what it was.

I have the same feelings about The Island. Sure they borrowed, why not? Someone said the first 1/3rd was good and the last half ridiculous. It's exactly what they were aiming for. The movie was intended to be a smart roller coaster ride with eye and ear candy. Cheese factor, sure...lottsa mottzarella. I loved it, watched it twice and will probably buy it.

The 5th Element was finely crafted cheese. A lovely bleu, or perhaps a camembert. Truly spectacular cheese. The Island was like squirting some easy cheeze out of a can past its expiration date and getting foul liquid ooze and mold all over the place.

repo man > the island

but it really was a dark, cold ending that few would really enjoy.

I always thought it was an uplifting ending. I hope that my one true wish in life will be fulfilled before I die, even if it is just before my death.

You are entitled to that opinion just as long as you don't think there were aliens in A.I.

It never crossed my mind that those entities at the end might be aliens (that wouldn't really make ANY sense whatsoever), and I know Spielberg has now said that they're mecha. I preferred my original thought that they were the third species to rule the Earth after we died out, and were digging up old human settlements like we dig up dinosaur bones today.

My only clear suspicion after reading this thread: HoustonGuy owns some Dreamworks stock.

Well, now he owns Paramount stock then :)

Although I liked The Island for what it was, I would not call it the best sci-fi in 10 yrs. For that distinction, it should be original, have great characters, or thought-provoking. For me, having just great action scenes is NOT what good sci-fi is about. Unfortunately, that's what Hollywood thinks, so instead of thought-provoking classics like The Day The Earth Stood Still, Soylent Green, Forbidden Planet, Planet of the Apes, and The Matrix, we get over-the-top films like ID4.





Thats why only Gattica, The Postman and The Matix have been the only decent SicFi in the last ten yrs that I have personally seen.




I hope to be intrigued with the original Russian version of Solaris, since I got the DVD last week.


Its 4-hrs of bordom and poor editing with no clear story. Saw it 15 yrs ago - it is suppose to be a "classic" - have no idea why.

Go see "Colossis the Forbbin Project" "Fail Safe" "Silent Running" and esp. "The Lathe of Heaven" (original one with Bruce Divison, not the re-make crap version with James Con).......which reminds me "RollerBall!!" (original of course - not the crap re-make).

"The Lathe of Heaven" is super!


12 Monkeys and The Matrix should be on the top ten list, for sure. I can't remember when The Abyss came out,


1988.


but it too was thought provoking, had the wonderment of a hostile and deadly environment, and showed humanity and its best & worst.

ss9001


[B]Abyss failed a little in that it would have been better without the aliens at all!!! and simply been a drama (Micheal Bean was SO GOOD in that part) (aka "Grey Lady Down" another excellent movie BTW)

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! lmao great movie

Solaris with Clooney may be the most boring movie ever made. It was just slightly more exciting than watching a baseball game. Just slightly, though.

IMO

AI was sentamental dreck ala Speilburgian heart on sleeve and sledgehammer on head for 3 f^&king hours. Sacarin sweet dramamene ad nausium.

as for emotional ending............................

go see Fail Safe. Not sacarin sweet and the ending will "blow you away" - in its very absurd possibility in this world.

you want emotional ending?

do see Osama, or Color of Paradise - magitudes better than AI.

Speilburg's new Munich is on par with he better works thank god.

Scarlett was the ONLY redeeming quality of the film... oh, that and the speeder bike/car crash sequence, and final destruction sequence for much better SFX than the Star Wars prequels (video game crap in my book).

And that's about it! My God, Ewan is picking some doozies these days: Star Wars and now a Michael Bay film???

The ONLY Michael Bay film I could even remotely stomach was The Rock, and even that has some groaners in it.

Bay should have his Director's Guild card ripped up (he and Lucas). He can't even hold a shot for like what 10 seconds? His films give me a headache! And the dialog! My brains were leaking out of my ears.

Sci-fi this is NOT. Loud, obnoxious, advertiser's wet dream pap it WAS.

Dan

go see Fail Safe. Not sacarin sweet and the ending will "blow you away"

LOL! "A Matador!!"

Why is it that most of the A.I. haters have to be profane? Just an observation.

The ONLY Michael Bay film I could even remotely stomach was The Rock, and even that has some groaners in it.
Dan

But The Rock also has one of the best few lines in any movie.

"Your best? Losers are always whining about doing their best. Winners go home and f*#k the prom queen."

I've used that line on a few people in life while doing the best impersonation of Connery and it's broke a lot of tense situations. :D

Best Science Fiction Flick in Ten Years? Oh, please. Come on, be serious for a minute. I liked it too -- I thought it was unfairly panned, and deserved a better fate at the box office -- but let's not go overboard.

It's exactly what they were aiming for. The movie was intended to be a smart roller coaster ride with eye and ear candy.OK, I just feel that the 2nd half of the movie completely failed to meet those goals.

It never crossed my mind that those entities at the end might be aliens (that wouldn't really make ANY sense whatsoever)I totally agree. However, go back and look at some of the online reviews... there were are a large number of people who thought that the entities were aliens. I can see that if someone thought that then it would ruin the movie for them. However, if they were paying any attention at all they would have noticed that the mecha looked exactly like the mecha statues / company seal.

The 5th Element was finely crafted cheese. A lovely bleu, or perhaps a camembert. Truly spectacular cheese. The Island was like squirting some easy cheeze out of a can past its expiration date and getting foul liquid ooze and mold all over the place.

Well the 5th Element was directed by a Frenchman...I'll only concede to Velveeta in some places, not spray on snack food for the Island. :D

I rarely have a movie affect my emotional state so deeply.I believe that means it was successful. Kubrick strikes from beyond the grave....frakkin genius, he was.

UnknownShadow :

I just wish they didn't screw up the Canadian disc... 5.1 track is French, 2.0 track is English! I refuse to listen to either Anyone want to loan me their English 5.1 version so I can offer an opinion?I did warn you on this forum. Don't you read every single post here at AVS :) (he he he - I don't either.)
You can get one from amazon.com and it's 5.1 (not amazon.ca). There's also a replacement policy from the manufacturer if you fill out the form (there's a link on this forum about that -- search for my name and Island and it'll be in one of those two threads somewhere by someone else)

I liked the island. She was pretty.
I also liked The Minority Report, i Robot, The Matrix and Serenity.
I disliked Fifth Element the first time (high expectations), but the second or third time it started to grow on me and I like it now.

Well the 5th Element was directed by a Frenchman...I'll only concede to Velveeta in some places, not spray on snack food for the Island. :D

While I don't have anything in particular to say about 'The Island', other than Scarlett is damn cute, I will say that Velveeta makes superior grilled cheeses. Dang, hungry now; where's that skillet? :cool:

Solaris with Clooney may be the most boring movie ever made. It was just slightly more exciting than watching a baseball game. Just slightly, though.


I take it you've never seen the original Russian film?

there were are a large number of people who thought that the entities were aliens.

Yeah, some of the group I saw it with in the theater came out saying "what was with the aliens". I smacked them around :D

UnknownShadow :

I did warn you on this forum. Don't you read every single post here at AVS :) (he he he - I don't either.)
You can get one from amazon.com and it's 5.1 (not amazon.ca). There's also a replacement policy from the manufacturer if you fill out the form (there's a link on this forum about that -- search for my name and Island and it'll be in one of those two threads somewhere by someone else)

I liked the island. She was pretty.
I also liked The Minority Report, i Robot, The Matrix and Serenity.
I disliked Fifth Element the first time (high expectations), but the second or third time it started to grow on me and I like it now.

I think I'll wait for it to hit the local bargain bins, buy it and then send the disc in for the proper 5.1 version.

When I read the title of this thread I thought it was sarcasm or a joke. This movie had lots of potential; the first half was done well. There was nothing about the second half that was close to mediocre, including all of the action. Like so many other movies they must have run out of time, money or ideas. :cool:

I take it you've never seen the original Russian film?

No. After the debacle that the remake was, if I had seen the original, it's likely I would have blown my head off in disgust.

From that list I posted earlier (grabbed from IMDB) A.I. and Dark City were by far the best films (not sure why everyone loves Serenity, and I'm a big Joss Whedon fan).

Have you seeen all of Firefly?

Decent flick but not the best in past 10 years. Worth a watch reminds me of a updated Logans run.

Have you seeen all of Firefly?

Yes, every last episode on TV and then again on DVD about 8 months ago.

Worth a watch reminds me of a updated Logans run.
...but not as good (IMO.) I'll take Logan's Run any day over The Island.

The 5th Element was finely crafted cheese. A lovely bleu, or perhaps a camembert. Truly spectacular cheese. The Island was like squirting some easy cheeze out of a can past its expiration date and getting foul liquid ooze and mold all over the place.
When you first squirt the Cheez Wiz out of the can, it's actually pretty tasty.
But as the can empties, the contents of it start to become a hardened crusty unappetizing rancid mess.
Not unlike this movie.

When you first squirt the Cheez Wiz out of the can, it's actually pretty tasty.
But as the can empties, the contents of it start to become a hardened crusty unappetizing rancid mess.
Not unlike this movie.

Exactly. Which coincides with the time about when Chris Tucker shows up.

...but not as good (IMO.) I'll take Logan's Run any day over The Island.


Yea, but now I doubt we will ever see a remake of Logans Run ,which could have been cool, because it would be too much like The Island.

Art

Exactly. Which coincides with the time about when Chris Tucker shows up.

Oh dear lawdy do I agree. I really can't think of any one character that so managed to ruin a movie for me than Tucker's nails-on-chalkboard turn in The Fifth Element. His performance alone makes it a challenge for me to get all the way through that movie.

Although I agree Michael Bay is the anti-Christ....I just rented the Island and actually kind of enjoyed it, especially the first 3rd which was generally pretty cool - especially because I didn't know a thing about the story.

Then of course it became a Michael Bay film and got so pointless and tremendously stupid fast and hard.

But there was still just enough aftertaste of the sorta-cool sci-fi factor and plot points to drag me to the end. Great looking DVD. Scarlett has never struck me as much of an actress, though. A reviewer put it well: "Much of the movie was typical scarlett johansen performance: lethargic, monotone, sleepy delivery of lines."

But I will forever carry a deep shame that I enjoyed the movie as much as I did.

"The Island" was financed by Spielberg and Dreamworks-Michael Bay directed- It is a great Sci Fi Flick. Mark my words. A lot of people dislike unique,great movies. And do not say this was a copy of Coma- that is very lame. And erroneous.

It was a copy of Coma. You're right, that show is very lame. :)

Erroneous? I wasn't turned on at all! ;)

Exactly. Which coincides with the time about when Chris Tucker shows up.

That one went right over my head...

edit. I get it now...talking about 5th Element, the smelly French cheese movie. ;)

Michael Bay made "The Rock". It is a borderline great movie. I will see the Island because it sounds similar, and Scarlett has a nice package.

I made the rock, I made the island. Sing with me.

Yea, but now I doubt we will ever see a remake of Logans Run ,....You must've missed Minority Report.

BTW, Tuckers' performance in FE didn't happen to turn out irritating, it was supposed to be that way. In fact, the entire movie was a big ball of cheese. Creme cheese, that is.....went down real smooth for me.

Great visuals, great sound, average film. Brain in nuetral action flick. Lets face it we have all seen worse.

When you first squirt the Cheez Wiz out of the can, it's actually pretty tasty.

First off, the stuff called "Cheez Whiz", and it comes in jars. Once you open those jars, they have to be stored in the fridge, but it's great for dipping tortilla chips in. "Easy Cheese" is what comes squirting out of the can that can be stored for years on a shelf, ready for the next Ritz cracker or dog's nose. It's hella fun watching a dog trying to lick it all off, by the way.

This is a weird thing. I guar-UN-tee if you asked 100 people what the spray cheese was called, 99 would say "Cheez Whiz". I think the blame for this misunderstanding clearly rests on discount mortgage brokers.

You must've missed Minority Report.

BTW, Tuckers' performance in FE didn't happen to turn out irritating, it was supposed to be that way. In fact, the entire movie was a big ball of cheese. Creme cheese, that is.....went down real smooth for me.

I never said Tucker's role wasn't intentional. But it did push FE over the cliff, that it was already skating on the edge of. Just simply one squirt of cheese too much.

You must've missed Minority Report.



'Minority Report' remake of 'Logan's Run' ?

Wow !

Maybe you take 10,000 ft look at the plot and compare the movies. Continuing that method of comparison, perhaps almost every movie is a remake of every other since most can be reduced to 'Good Guy Beats Bad Guy'

old movie but extremely well done drama dealing with body parts from random people instead of clones - is the movie COMA

'Minority Report' remake of 'Logan's Run' ?No, not in the true sense of the word, but looking closely at MRs plot there are numerous comparisons....

Minority Report:
1) Story takes place in distant future (like a lot of sci-fi does).

2) Individuals are targeted for capture before they can commit predicted future crimes.

3) Police detectives/hunters track down perpetrators.

4) One particular detective named Anderson, (from a premonition) unintentionally becomes a fugitive.

5) The hunter becomes the hunted, and during his flight, alters his appearence (eyes).

6) Anderson is eventually aquitted and the defective criminal system is dismantled.

7) The psychic/telepathic, crime foretelling Triplets find sanctuary in a cabin in the woods.



Logans' Run:
1) Takes place in distant future.

2) To not overpopulate the earth, every individual is targeted for elimination just as they reach their thirtieth birthday.

3) Police/hunters are used to track and legally terminate overage men and women.

4) One particular hunter named Logan, becomes a fugitive when his life clock suddenly and prematurely begins to expire.

5) The hunter becomes the hunted, then attempts to alter his appearence during his flight.

6) Logan and female companion escape pod city, finds Sanctuary and beats the system.


They're both eerily similar in spite of a few plot twists.

"best sci-fi in 10 years"?

I thought you, or someone like you, said Serenity held that title... :confused:

No, not in the true sense of the word, but looking closely at MRs plot there are numerous comparisons....

So then you do agree that MR is not a remake of LR, right ?

Comparing point by point -


1) MR:Story takes place in distant future (like a lot of sci-fi does).
1) LR:Takes place in distant future.

I wouldn't really say these two are similar. If you don't take 10,000 ft. view, MR is set in near future and LR is far distant future. Actually MR doesn't have much new technology than what is possible today.


2) MR:Individuals are targeted for capture before they can commit predicted future crimes.
2)LR: To not overpopulate the earth, every individual is targeted for elimination just as they reach their thirtieth birthday.

What is the similarity here ? I think these two ideas are quite dissimilar. MR deals with crime and LR does not. It is just somebody's idea that nobody should live beyond 30 years. There is no crime involved here. Again, in MR, the guilty may not even know that they are going to commit a crime.


3) MR:Police detectives/hunters track down perpetrators.
3)LR: Police/hunters are used to track and legally terminate overage men and women.

How many movies have stories where police try to catch criminals ? These points are so common that saying these two movies are similar on this point is pointless.


4) MR:One particular detective named Anderson, (from a premonition) unintentionally becomes a fugitive.
4)LR: One particular hunter named Logan, becomes a fugitive when his life clock suddenly and prematurely begins to expire.

There is a big difference in the two stories wrt this point. Anderson is really a fugitive, running from the system. Logan is NOT a fugitive. He is assigned a job of tracking down something. One of the policemen doesn't understand this and tries to track him down. I don't think the two movies are similar on this point.


5) MR:The hunter becomes the hunted, and during his flight, alters his appearence (eyes).
5)LR: The hunter becomes the hunted, then attempts to alter his appearence during his flight.

Perhaps this point is the only one which is similar to both the movies.


6) MR:Anderson is eventually aquitted and the defective criminal [i]system is dismantled.
6)LR: Logan and female companion escape pod city, finds Sanctuary and beats the system.
"finds Sanctuary" ?? Really ?? If you think so, then you missed the punchline of the movie.


7) The psychic/telepathic, crime foretelling Triplets find [i]sanctuary in a cabin in the woods.

Didn't find anything matching to LR for point 7.

Logan's run and Minority report are two very different movies. These are couple of similarities, you can even draw few parallels but MR is certainly not a remake of LR. You can watch and enjoy both the movies. Remake is the one if you watch one movie, there is, in general, no need to watch the other.
And the biggest dissimilarity between the two movies is that -
in LR, all the concept of social structure is broken down. They don't know what is husband, wife, children, marriage etc. They don't even know how babies are born. In contrast, in MR, the central point of the movie is Anderson's love for his son. That is a single strong emotion in that movie.




They're both eerily similar in spite of a few plot twists.
Similar does not make it a remake.

So then you do agree that MR is not a remake of LR, right ?Relax, dude. I said it wasn't a remake.



Actually MR doesn't have much new technology than what is possible today.I'll take one of those flying jet-mobiles for a hundred, Alex.



"finds Sanctuary" ?? Really ?? If you think so, then you missed the punchline of the movie.Yes, Sanctuary. That's what they said in the film. They beat the system by finding out one could live past thirty, as evidenced by the old man they happened upon.



Similar does not make it a remake.A remake it is not, but MR seems to have been influenced by LR.

Yes, Sanctuary. That's what they said in the film. They beat the system by finding out one could live past thirty, as evidenced by the old man they happened upon.





Um... no. That's not what they said in the film. They actually said in the film, "There is no Sanctuary." And they also didn't find it. What they found was the big lie being told to them by their government, and that there was life beyond not only age thirty, but beyond the confines of their domed city as well.

Um... no. That's not what they said in the film. They actually said in the film, "There is no Sanctuary." And they also didn't find it. What they found was the big lie being told to them by their government, and that there was life beyond not only age thirty, but beyond the confines of their domed city as well.

Agree with you 100%

The system is unable to understand "there is no sanctuary" and that's when it breaks down.

Relax, dude. I said it wasn't a remake.

Oh well .... I thought you DID say it was a remake !

Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn
Yea, but now I doubt we will ever see a remake of Logans Run ,....

You must've missed Minority Report.



A remake it is not, but MR seems to have been influenced by LR.
Could be.
However, the two movies have quite different storylines and as such both are enjoyable in their own way.

What they found was the big lie being told to them by their government, and that there was life beyond not only age thirty, but beyond the confines of their domed city as well.Right. (what I call) Sanctuary wasn't an actual place of refuge or shelter per se, but rather the epiphany of knowing one could live a long life.


"You must've missed Minority Report." :rolleyes:
I forgot to use the sarcasm emoticon. Fixed. And like most classics, LR doesn't need to be remade. Reeeeelaaaaxx...

Just watched this thing. Way too long! At about 1:40 it would be a pretty good movie.

Finally watched this last night, great sci-fi flick. Reminds me of "coma" but from the guinea pigs perspective. Don't understand all the negative critic reviews, after a slow beginning it really took off and was captivating till the end. Definitely keeping a copy of this one.

I watched this a couple months ago and it was pretty good, but nowhere near being the best Sci-Fi movie of the last 10 years and definitely not better than Serenity. It started off great and had some great action/fx, but the ending was very anticlimactic, IMO. The the entire last act was poor at best. It seems that Bay had no idea on how to come to a good conclusion and it just felt like everything towards the end was super rushed.

The Island

Best sci-fi flick in 10 years? No.

I'd put it in the top 10 though. Count me in as one of the few who loves this movie. I saw it in the theater, on DVD, and I will definitely buy it in HD when it becomes available.

Maybe The Island is aging well. ;)

Regarding AI:
I rarely have a movie affect my emotional state so deeply.Same here. Last movie I recall affecting me quite so profoundly was Apocalypse Now.

Re: Serenity and Firefly:
Yes, every last episode on TV and then again on DVD about 8 months ago.Saw most of the series. Rented Serenity. Seemed to recall liking the serious more. Recently bought the series on DVD, and the movie. Yup: I definitely preferred Firefly, the series, over Serenity, the movie, as well. Can't say exactly why... maybe it's because one of the things I best-liked about Firefly was that it didn't take itself too seriously, whereas I think the movie did--at least just a bit.

Re: The Island: Have to agree with most here. I don't regret the rental fee. Nor do I regret the time spent watching it. It kept me pleasantly mindlessly occupied. Figured out pretty much where it was going as soon as its protagonist had the conversation with the worker, and nothing really suprised me from there. Wouldn't rent it again, much-less have it in my library. I can think of any number of SciFi movies made in the last 10 years that, if not "better," are certainly more entertaining. Many of them have been mentioned in this thread.

As for Fifth Element: One of my and my wife's favourite movies of all times. I too initially found the Ruby Rhod character irritating, distracting and felt he detracted from the movie. But, over time, those first impressions have been replaced by the feeling that character is utterly necessary, and that the movie just wouldn't be what it is without the character. Yes: He's irritating. He's supposed to be irritating. If he didn't irritate you, how could you sympathize with the Koren Dallas character? :)

Then again: Neither my wife nor I understand why people find Jar-Jar Binks so disagreeable.

Didn't see it when it first came out but I recently bought "The Island" DVD and loved it. This movie kept me engaged in the cloning plot even better than other cloning movies such as "Gattaca" and "The 6th Day". But it's not the best sci-fi movie made at least in my opinion.

Before naming my top 5 in sci-fi I think it's important to state the following. All of us have our personal favorites and there is NO CONSENSUS on what the best movie is. We can only judge the quality of a movie by the impact it made on the viewer and only that viewer. In this regard declaring a movie as "best ever" is countered by the statement "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". As an example I had my father-in-law at my home theater the other day (he likes action movies) and we watched the movie "Heat" with Pacino and DeNiro. He had never seen it before and after it ended he said that "Heat" is the best movie he has ever seen (and he is 77 years old). After he said that I went on the internet and try to find professional reviews of that movie and sure enough there were plenty of good reviews. But guess what, I also found some bad reviews of that movie saying that people should AVOID seen this movie. Goes to show you that human beings are wired differently and two people exposed to the same material can react very differently. Something to think about before we spend too much time trying to identify the best movie in any category. Because beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.

With that said these are my top 5 favorite sci-fi movies:
(1) 2001 Space Odyssey
(2) Dark City
(3) The Fifth Element
(4) THX 1138
(5) The Matrix (original)

My second tier includes "The Island":
(6) Blade Runner
(7) Terminator (original)
(8) Minority Report
(9) 12 Monkeys
(10) The Island
(11) Serenity
(12) Riddick
(13) The 13th Floor

Third tier includes these movies (I ranked them lower only because I watched them once and do not have any desire to watch them again)
-I Robot
-Gattaca
-A.I.
-War of the Worlds
-StarWars (any of them)
-I Robot

I hope others can list their TOP 5 sci-fi movies in hope that I have not seen one of them.

Ready2Buy,

I pretty much agree with your entire list, with the exception that the Island would not be present on my list. I think the fans of this peice of trash are suffering from Scarlett fever. I discovered this while watching "Matchpoint". I thought it was a pretty good movie until her part ended. Then I questioned why the hell was I watching this piece of tripe. I then realized, I was just watching her.

I think Hollywood knows that if you have a bad movie, you can hide it by casting Scarlett Johansson. I don't remember if she even had any dialog in the Island, I only remember her lips. So for those of you that liked this movie may I suggest you take a cold shower and re-watch it on a 13" low def screen and tell me if the movie has any intellectual or artistic impact.


Jon

I only remember her lips. So for those of you that liked this movie may I suggest you take a cold shower and re-watch it on a 13" low def screen and tell me if the movie has any intellectual or artistic impact.


LOL! :D

Didn't see it when it first came out but I recently bought "The Island" DVD and loved it. This movie kept me engaged in the cloning plot even better than other cloning movies such as "Gattaca" and "The 6th Day". But it's not the best sci-fi movie made at least in my opinion.

Before naming my top 5 in sci-fi I think it's important to state the following. All of us have our personal favorites and there is NO CONSENSUS on what the best movie is. We can only judge the quality of a movie by the impact it made on the viewer and only that viewer. In this regard declaring a movie as "best ever" is countered by the statement "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". As an example I had my father-in-law at my home theater the other day (he likes action movies) and we watched the movie "Heat" with Pacino and DeNiro. He had never seen it before and after it ended he said that "Heat" is the best movie he has ever seen (and he is 77 years old). After he said that I went on the internet and try to find professional reviews of that movie and sure enough there were plenty of good reviews. But guess what, I also found some bad reviews of that movie saying that people should AVOID seen this movie. Goes to show you that human beings are wired differently and two people exposed to the same material can react very differently. Something to think about before we spend too much time trying to identify the best movie in any category. Because beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.

With that said these are my top 5 favorite sci-fi movies:
(1) 2001 Space Odyssey
(2) Dark City
(3) The Fifth Element
(4) THX 1138
(5) The Matrix (original)

My second tier includes "The Island":
(6) Blade Runner
(7) Terminator (original)
(8) Minority Report
(9) 12 Monkeys
(10) The Island
(11) Serenity
(12) Riddick
(13) The 13th Floor

Third tier includes these movies (I ranked them lower only because I watched them once and do not have any desire to watch them again)
-I Robot
-Gattaca
-A.I.
-War of the Worlds
-StarWars (any of them)
-I Robot

I hope others can list their TOP 5 sci-fi movies in hope that I have not seen one of them.


The fact that your list includes the Island but not Terminator 2 makes me want to cry for man kind. :D The Island is a giant turd compared to T2 and I like the Island ok (didn't care much for the final act though).

Now that I think about it I'd also put T3 over the Island.

The fact that your list includes the Island but not Terminator 2 makes me want to cry for man kind. :D The Island is a giant turd compared to T2 and I like the Island ok (didn't care much for the final act though).

Now that I think about it I'd also put T3 over the Island.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching Terminator 2 as an action movie but you have to admit that the story line had been revealed in Terminator 1. So as a sci-fi movie the story of T2 had already been told in T1.

In general I feel that all of the sci-fi sequels are really not worth a dime as sci-fi movies. I watch them for the action which is usually even better than the action in the original (they have to make up for the lack of plot by better action scenes).

I am pretty sure that I would have enjoyed "The Island" even if Scarlett had been replaced by somebody else like ... say ... Angelina or ... say ... Jessica Alba?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching Terminator 2 as an action movie but you have to admit that the story line had been revealed in Terminator 1. So as a sci-fi movie the story of T2 had already been told in T1.

In general I feel that all of the sci-fi sequels are really not worth a dime as sci-fi movies. I watch them for the action which is usually even better than the action in the original (they have to make up for the lack of plot by better action scenes).

I am pretty sure that I would have enjoyed "The Island" even if Scarlett had been replaced by somebody else like ... say ... Angelina or ... say ... Jessica Alba?

I probably would've enjoyed it even more if she was replaced by Alba. Mmm.

Would you have enjoyed it with Kathy Bates rather than Scarlett? Than is the question. Would it still be on your list? Kathy Bates is an excellent actress, it it doesn't work with her it doesn't work.

Jon

Would you have enjoyed it with Kathy Bates rather than Scarlett? Than is the question. Would it still be on your list? Kathy Bates is an excellent actress, it it doesn't work with her it doesn't work.

Jon



Interesting thought...

I guess if EM is replaced with James Caan... :D

Interesting thought...

I guess if EM is replaced with James Caan... :D

Yea, James Caan would be an excellent choice.

Jon

Yea, James Caan would be an excellent choice.

Jon

Hey guys, most of us prefer to watch good looking people in movies. So please no Cathy Bates or James Caan for the leading roles in the island. Unfortunately there is very very few movies that work with uglies in the lead roles. :D

They could have picked Brad Pitt instead of EM for the male lead though, I agree with that. Just my opinion.

I hope others can list their TOP 5 sci-fi movies in hope that I have not seen one of them.In alphabetical order...


A I

Jurassic Park

The Matrix

Metropolis (1927 original)

War Of the Worlds (1953 original)....fixed


It's really hard to name a top 5. And I didn't even include The Blob (original), Invasion of the BodySnatchers (original), Pitch Black, The Thing (remake), or Twelve Monkeys.

In alphabetical order...


A I

War Of the Worlds (1953 original)

Jurassic Park

The Matrix

Metropolis (1927 original)


It's really hard to name a top 5. And I didn't even include The Blob (original), Invasion of the BodySnatchers (original), Pitch Black, The Thing (remake), or Twelve Monkeys.

Thank you, haven't seen "the blob" or "metropolis". I 'll try to view them soon. I wouldn't call "Jurassic Park" sciense fiction. It's more like fantasy IMHO.

In alphabetical order...


A I

War Of the Worlds (1953 original)

Jurassic Park

The Matrix

Metropolis (1927 original)


I give up. Which alphabet are you using?

I give up. Which alphabet are you using?

lol

I probably would've enjoyed it even more if she was replaced by Alba. Mmm.

Gag. Replacing Scarlett with a two-bit, no-talent actress would have been a travesty. :confused:

Gag. Replacing Scarlett with a two-bit, no-talent actress would have been a travesty. :confused:

Yeah, because her role in this masterpiece of cinema was so demanding. :D I can't even remember much about her character other than she was really hot.

Jessica Alba is way hotter though.

Yeah, because her role in this masterpiece of cinema was so demanding. :D I can't even remember much about her character other than she was really hot.

Jessica Alba is way hotter though.

Definitely. And, that's saying alot, as SJ is no skag, by any means.

I never said that Scarlett's role was Oscar-worthy, but Alba's acting belongs on a high school stage, at best. Plus, after her childish and supremely immature slamming of the honor Hef bestowed upon her, I'll never, ever forgive. She was nicely cast in Sin City, playing the role of a very young stripper, but I prefer women to "girls" as my definition of "hot". For films, I also prefer an actress to an "asstress" any day.

Even though your grudge against JA for rebuffing Hef is well known (at least to me), I'm afraid you lost me altogether by referring to her as a "girl."

She looks like all woman to me.

LMFAO. I knew he'd use that lame "she's a girl and I like women" garbage. lol. I was going to mention that in my last post, because he's said it before and it made me laugh. He also said she only has an ass, barely resembles cute and looks like a little girl pretending to be sexy. LMAO. What ever drugs he is on must be really powerful. lol. The first thing I noticed about her way back when she did Idle Hands and then Dark Angel was her face (especially those lips), first and foremost, not her ass (although that was great too). She's got it all.

http://members.lycos.nl/intelsucksamdrulez/Jessica%20Alba.jpg
That my friend is ALL woman and the perfect female face.

The fact is JA DID NOT want to be featured on the cover of Playboy and have people thinking she was nude inside only to be disappointed after buying it. They'd probably then be pissed at her. What Playboy did was illegal and they deserve to be sued.

BTW, Alba has delivered far better performances in epsiodes of Dark Angel than what Scarlett did in The Island. I doubt she'd have much trouble fulfilling the roles' requirements, which was to run around and look hot. :D

I bet you Scarlett and many actresses would've reacted the same to being put on a Playboy cover illegally.

Real women (or real actresses for purposes of this post) are secure enough not to insist on "no-nudity" clauses in their film contracts (see: Carla Gugino, her Sin City co-star - now there's a real woman! Wow!!) And real women also don't diss Playboy magazine for giving them a ton of free publicity. And finally, real women can, you know, act.

So, given those parameters, I have to agree with spyder on this one. ;)

Real women (or real actresses for purposes of this post) are secure enough not to insist on "no-nudity" clauses in their film contracts (see: Carla Gugino, her Sin City co-star - now there's a real woman! Wow!!) And real women also don't diss Playboy magazine for giving them a ton of free publicity. And finally, real women can, you know, act.

So, given those parameters, I have to agree with spyder on this one. ;)


No offense, but what kind of jacked up logic are you using man?

Not every women, regardless of how hot they are, wants to be nude for the entire public to see. Her parents see her films. Not everyone wants their parents to come see a film where they're nude or having fake sex on camera. It's not like she hasn't shown plenty of skin, but how can you blame someone for not wanting to do nudity? Clearly Jessica knows that filmmakers/studios would love to exploit her looks with nudity and she has made it clear that it's not going to happen, at least not for a while.

Playbody deserves to be dissed for what they did. They deserve a nice big lawsuit as well. They think they can get away with making money off whomever they want apparently. It's good that Jessica stood up to them.

JA didn't need any free publicity, nor did she ask for it. Playboy put her on the cover to make money off her name. Plain and simple. Hopefully they'll have to pay up.

No offense, but what kind of jacked up logic are you using man?

Hey, mine! Sorry, but the way I look at it, if the part calls for nudity, they need to comply with the script if they want the gig. They are well, well compensated for doing so. If she's the shy, retiring type, she chose the wrong business (and besides, hasn't the public seen just about all the rest of her except the 6 square inches comprising her bust?). And besides, I happen to like cinematic nudity, tastefully done (but not porn before the suggestion is made); so sue me. ;)

Playbody deserves to be dissed for what they did. They deserve a nice big lawsuit as well. They think they can get away with making money off whomever they want apparently. It's good that Jessica stood up to them.

JA didn't need any free publicity, nor did she ask for it. Playboy put her on the cover to make money off her name. Plain and simple. Hopefully they'll have to pay up.

You're obviously not familiar with the case. Alba gave Playboy permission to run her picture for the article; they just decided to put her on the cover since she's quite popular right now and cover shots sell magazines. She did not have editorial control over where they used her photo. Most actresses would die for that kind of publicity; she pouts and threatens lawsuits. Low class if you ask me.

Playbody deserves to be dissed for what they did. They deserve a nice big lawsuit as well. They think they can get away with making money off whomever they want apparently. It's good that Jessica stood up to them.

JA didn't need any free publicity, nor did she ask for it. Playboy put her on the cover to make money off her name. Plain and simple. Hopefully they'll have to pay up.


Agreed.

It is disgusting how the media makes money off celebrities without having to actually pay for it.
If I was a celebrity, I would want a check from those people before interviews/pics.

Brittany Spears?
The media has made a bajillion off that ignorant hillbilly...it's sad that she gets such piss-poor advice on how to run her career.

Brittany Spears?
The media has made a bajillion off that ignorant hillbilly...it's sad that she gets such piss-poor advice on how to run her career.

Bad example, Dude. Brittany's "career" has been carefully planned and orchestrated to project a certain image (cutesy-poo jail bait) and sell zillions of CD's. It's worked remarkably well, but how to be a good mother clearly wasn't part of the training.

Bad example, Dude. Brittany's "career" has been carefully planned and orchestrated to project a certain image (cutesy-poo jail bait).


And that's flattering??
Would you want your daughter's career to be modeled on that?

it's sad that she gets such piss-poor advice on how to run her career.

I thought we were talking about career management competence here... :confused:
You're not?

And that's flattering??
Would you want your daughter's career to be modeled on that?

Not at all. Whatever gave you that idea? :confused:

I was just pointing out that blaming the media or her management for exploiting "poor Brittany" is a little disingenuous when Brittany was a willing and eager participant in said exploitation, and got rich and famous because of it.

You're obviously not familiar with the case. Alba gave Playboy permission to run her picture for the article; they just decided to put her on the cover since she's quite popular right now and cover shots sell magazines. She did not have editorial control over where they used her photo. Most actresses would die for that kind of publicity; she pouts and threatens lawsuits. Low class if you ask me.

They sound like decievers to me. Obviously she did not want to be on the cover and if she did I'm sure she'd want more money.

They sound like decievers to me. Obviously she did not want to be on the cover and if she did I'm sure she'd want more money.

Sorry, it wasn't her decision to make - it was theirs, they bought the rights, and their job is to sell as many magazines as they can. That's why all that silly talk about lawsuits evaporated so quickly.

Not at all. Whatever gave you that idea? :confused:

Brittany was a willing and eager participant.


Sorry, Arch...I misunderstood.
Sometimes being on different coasts will do that to ya. :D

To your other point: I must respectfully disagree.
IMO, BS was/is not capable of making a well-informed career decision (most particularly when she was younger), she had neither experience nor wisdom.
The media/gossip rags have consistently portrayed her in a...ahem...less than moral light.
In my view, this is outrageous....she is just a kid.

Money and fame can only cleanse or fulfill so much.
Fame I don't know about, money I do. ;)

And no, I am not a BS fan...I have never listened or watched one of her CDs/videos.

I give up. Which alphabet are you using?Greek, haven't 'cha heard? :D

Playboy put her on the cover to make money off her name. Plain and simple.

LMAO. LMAO! LMAO!! LMAO!!! :rolleyes:

It's all true. There's this tiny little unknown magazine, called Playboy (that's "Pla-boi" with a long a-sound, for those of you who haven't heard of it), that has been barely making ends meet for decades until the Alba issue came along. Hef had no friends, couldn't get a woman, was eating Ramen daily, lived in a tiny shanty, and not a soul had heard of him or his little magazine until Assba made him famous, rich, and well-known. :rolleyes:

If you'll excuse me, I gott go get my waders, because the s#!t's getting too deep. :D

To your other point: I must respectfully disagree.
IMO, BS was/is not capable of making a well-informed career decision (most particularly when she was younger), she had neither experience nor wisdom.
The media/gossip rags have consistently portrayed her in a...ahem...less than moral light.
In my view, this is outrageous....she is just a kid.

Well, while she's definitely a bumpkin (her comments about GW alone set that in concrete), she's also a mother of two now and can no longer be considered a kid. And, IMO, she was plenty old enough to know what she was doing and how her image was being created and managed. Don't think she was so naive that she thought "Oops I did it again" was referring to her forgetting to put the milk cap back on or something. ;)

Money and fame can only cleanse or fulfill so much.
Fame I don't know about, money I do. ;)

Sadly, I know very little about either. :D

And no, I am not a BS fan...I have never listened or watched one of her CDs/videos.

You need to check out some of her videos oink; she was pretty hot. :p

I agree with MTyson and Oink, the fact that JA refuses to appear nude in movies and Playboy improves her stature in my book, not lessen it.

Obviously others disagree.

Let's get back to science fiction etc, please.

larry

As I was saying, would this have been a good scifi with Bates and Caan? I think not. Story was weak and rehashed Logan's Run.

Jon

Now, if they just would have had Scarlett wearing the outfit from Logan's Run... :)

Or not, as in the under city ice scene.

Jon

My wife and I watched this for the 1st time the other night and thought it was lots of fun. If you have any interest whatsoever in Sci-Fi or action flicks this one is worth a rental (and 2h 20m).

I thought it had lots of plot holes of course, but the wiff got mad at me when I started to point them all out. Anyway, clearly a good actioner with decent WAF. :cool:

I finally saw more than bits of it a few weeks back in HiDef. It was entertaining, but far from the best Sci-Fi flick in the last then years. Of course, seeing Logan's Run really ruins it because it comes across as a dead ripoff. Plot holes and silliness really kill it for me too, which is why I still think 2001 remains the greatest true Sci-fi movie of all time by a fairly large margin.

I don't know if its the best in 10 years but I did really enjoy it and think it received unjust jeers from critics.

I liked it because if the AUDIO....really good for surround sound and a nice LFE workout!