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atabea

12-04-11, 12:33 PM

Hey Toor, a friend of mine recently bought an elara fixed frame and I have to agree, the manual is fracking useless!!!!. It was only after we threw out the manual we were able to figure things out ourselves. The L brackets connect the four corners and use the screws provided to tighten things up. Be sure that you place the correct amount of tensioner rivets on each side or you will have to dismantle the whole frame just to move them around (we had to do it twice). You can confirm the amounts of Rivets by counting the number of holes on each side of the screen.

Ultimately, It is very much like hanging a picture on a wall only on a much larger scale. Once your frame is constructed, place the the tensioner rods through the space provided in the screen material and connect to the frame by inserting the rivets in the holes in the sides of the screen. The material is going to look like it's too small for the frame but it actually streches quite a lot.

You will notice there are two smaller brackets that you have to attach to the top corners of the frame. These brackets provide a "space" from which the completed screen will hang. You will have to measure the exact distance between the two spaces and install two strong screws on your wall the same distance apart. Remember not to have the screws on the wall all the way in. When everything is in place just lift the screen and hang on the wall.

The one (or two) positives from all this is that the price is reasonable for the product and the screen performs surprisingly well. There may be some small ripples in the screen at first but after a couple of days they should disappear.

atabea

I tried searching, but couldn't find anything. Anyone have any links/documentation on how to hang a screen on the wall (I have an Elara Fixed Screen). I have never done anything like this before so I need to know exactly what I need/steps I have to take. The manual is completely unclear.

Ideally it would be something with photos so I don't screw up my wall for no reason.

Socal Rich

12-04-11, 02:10 PM

Heres what combination I'm thinking of putting together.:)

* Projector - BenQ 6000

* Elunevision Custom 120' 2:35:1 aspect, motorized tab tensioned with New Audio Weave

Seating position first row 11ft
Seating position second row 16ft
Little to no ambient light

Would this be a good setup? Any other suggestions?

miloshj

12-04-11, 05:04 PM

Heres what combination I'm thinking of putting together.

* Projector - BenQ 6000

* Elunevision Custom 120' 2:35:1 aspect, motorized tab tensioned with New Audio Weave

Seating position first row 11ft
Seating position second row 16ft
Little to no ambient light

Would this be a good setup? Any other suggestions?

This would be a great setup. The AudioWeave screen is the best performing audio-transparent screen money can buy (even if you wanted to spend thousands more, you couldn't find an equal or better performing audio-transparent screen) and will last you forever if you do ever upgrade to another projector (whether future 1080p or 4K projectors).

Thanks,

Milosh

miloshj

12-04-11, 05:06 PM

This is exactly what I've been looking for.....an affordable alternative that provides similar or better performance.

Will the AT screen be made available in a tab-tensioned in-ceiling motorized option? Or did I miss that in your previous post?

Looking at 106" to 120" diagonal.

No plans for that at this point, for at least the forseeable future.

Thanks,

Milosh

moonw5

12-04-11, 05:36 PM

This would be a great setup. The AudioWeave screen is the best performing audio-transparent screen money can buy (even if you wanted to spend thousands more, you couldn't find an equal or better performing audio-transparent screen) and will last you forever if you do ever upgrade to another projector (whether future 1080p or 4K projectors).

Thanks,

Milosh

On the Elunevision website it describes that viewing distance has a minumum # of feet. Can you see the the screen texture if you are at the minimum distance or closer? Will this be vewable at all with farther distances?
Thanks for your thoughts.

ModestHT

12-04-11, 07:05 PM

No plans for that at this point, for at least the forseeable future.

Thanks,

Milosh

Okay, thanks for answering my question. So, at the very least I could mount the projector in the ceiling since you have IR remote capabilities and build something that would allow the screen to drop through a slot in the ceiling. Or, would you know where I could purchase a flush ceiling kit that would make it look more custom?

miloshj

12-04-11, 07:18 PM

On the Elunevision website it describes that viewing distance has a minumum # of feet. Can you see the the screen texture if you are at the minimum distance or closer? Will this be vewable at all with farther distances?
Thanks for your thoughts.

The EluneVision screen has the finest weave material on the market. With that being said, there is a threshold at which you will see the weave. The guided number is 8' as this is a safe distance, I wouldn't go closer than 6-7' personally, but what I can say is that because this is the finest Weave material available, you can go closer than you could with any other material out there.

There are photos on the website of a few movie scenes being taken 8" away. For the wide angle shot on the EluneVision page, the closer part of the screen is about 5 feet away or so.

Thanks,

Milosh

miloshj

12-04-11, 07:19 PM

Okay, thanks for answering my question. So, at the very least I could mount the projector in the ceiling since you have IR remote capabilities and build something that would allow the screen to drop through a slot in the ceiling. Or, would you know where I could purchase a flush ceiling kit that would make it look more custom?

I don't know of any places that sell flush ceiling kits, most of our customers who wanted the screen in-ceiling simply made their own.

Thanks

DaveHao

12-04-11, 07:19 PM

Hi all

First of all, I would like to thank everyone on AVSforum, and our customers over the years that have helped our company grow. We are still a small company, but in the last few years have brought out two great products: the Reference Studio Fixed Frame and Tab Tension screens.

Finally after a good year of R&D, I have the pleasure of launching our new Acoustic Weave: the Reference Studio AudioWeave screens.

In short, the AudioWeave combines Reference Studio 100 Video quality with sound transparency that is second to none. During our R&D phase, we experimented with numerous weave patterns and materials, using our Anechoic Chamber to test them. When we first started our design process, we used the industry’s best materials as reference. However, we found their audio and video performance was far from ideal. Our tests showed that the attenuation from 2000 Hz would increase from 1db - 2db to over 5db at 20,000 Hz. In other words, even the high-end products today had poor mid-frequency and high frequency performance. We simply deemed this unacceptable. Everyone knows that the mid frequencies are important for almost everything, so for our competitors to have poor performance in that frequency range is unacceptable. Furthermore, the roll-off in the higher frequencies results in a loss of “airiness” or “sparkle” from the sound. Therefore, we engineered a material that has minimum attenuation from 20Hz to 20000Hz. The final result is that we have an AW material that has by far the best audio transparency in the industry.

For more details on the AudioWeave and our analysis please go to this link:

http://www.elunevision.com/audioweave-fixed-features.html

The features page is a quite long and often times also pretty technical as well. Please post any questions in the thread and I will do my best to answer them.

In short:
-very fine weave material with over 2000 perforations per square inch
-15 degree shift to eliminate moiré
-very fine and smooth weave with black backing to achieve Reference Studio 100 video quality (Fixed-Frame only)
-average attenuation of less than of 0.35 db for the AudioWeave material and less than 0.75db for AudioWeave + Black Backing
-the attenuation is completely linear and frequency response of the weave follows the original speaker all the way up to 20kHz with no roll off. This is an industry first, as every competitor that we have tested (and we tested pretty much every high-end material that we could purchase) has at least 20% attenuation in the mid-range frequencies, and almost 40% attenuation in the higher-end frequencies
-Frames increased in mass in aluminum by 3 fold over standard Reference fixed-frames. This drastically lowers the resonant frequency of the screen so that powerful speakers and subwoofers going down to 20Hz can be installed behind the screen without any vibration. The L joiners are now made of 2 solid steel pieces.

Availability:
December 3rd: Reference Audio Weave Fixed Frame
-100" 16:9
-108" 16:9
-115" 16:9
-125" 16:9
-135" 16:9
-120" 2.35
-130" 2.35

Tab Tensioned:
Later half of December.

We are now also taking custom builds, delivery time is 3 weeks.

Thanks
Dave Hao
EluneVision

toor

12-04-11, 08:02 PM

Hey Toor, a friend of mine recently bought an elara fixed frame and I have to agree, the manual is fracking useless!!!!. It was only after we threw out the manual we were able to figure things out ourselves. The L brackets connect the four corners and use the screws provided to tighten things up. Be sure that you place the correct amount of tensioner rivets on each side or you will have to dismantle the whole frame just to move them around (we had to do it twice). You can confirm the amounts of Rivets by counting the number of holes on each side of the screen.

Ultimately, It is very much like hanging a picture on a wall only on a much larger scale. Once your frame is constructed, place the the tensioner rods through the space provided in the screen material and connect to the frame by inserting the rivets in the holes in the sides of the screen. The material is going to look like it's too small for the frame but it actually streches quite a lot.

You will notice there are two smaller brackets that you have to attach to the top corners of the frame. These brackets provide a "space" from which the completed screen will hang. You will have to measure the exact distance between the two spaces and install two strong screws on your wall the same distance apart. Remember not to have the screws on the wall all the way in. When everything is in place just lift the screen and hang on the wall.

The one (or two) positives from all this is that the price is reasonable for the product and the screen performs surprisingly well. There may be some small ripples in the screen at first but after a couple of days they should disappear.

atabea

ok thanks

Is it necesary to put the screws in studs or is it light enough to hang on the drywall?

Do you happen to know the size of screws to use?

atabea

12-04-11, 10:42 PM

Chances are slim that you will have a stud at the exact distance you need, but if you can find one then that would be your best bet. Failing that, I would use some good plastic anchors with the screws. Under no circumstances should you try hangin from the drywall alone without the use of plastic anchors. The screen and frame would be too heavy for just plain drywall.

ok thanks

Is it necesary to put the screws in studs or is it light enough to hang on the drywall?

Do you happen to know the size of screws to use?

toor

12-05-11, 07:39 PM

Could you link a photo of the plastic anchors your talking about. I am clueless when it comes to this stuff. Which is why the manual was so frustrating.

To be clear: I assume that I need some specific strength anchor?

hingis_fan

12-05-11, 07:44 PM

miloshj

12-06-11, 09:09 PM

Has anyone used both the Elara II and the reference grey screens?

I was pretty sold on getting the Elara II, as I was going to be using my PJ in a main floor great room, but now the house I am moving to has a basement that will work. So, my setup will be a BenQ W6000 from 13' away on a 106" screen with seating about 14' back.

Because of the more light controlled room, I really don't think I need the 1.4 gain of the Elara II now, but I'm finding it hard to justify spending the cash for the reference grey. Help?

This is for everyone's benefit as much as it is yours, as I've owned, sold, demoed thousands of EluneVision screens over the years, so hopefully this helps. This is in general for both the Reference White and the Reference Gray screens:

-day and night color accuracy between the Elara II and the Reference series
-zero hot-spotting vs a fairly decent amount of hot-spotting, which can get very annoying when watching hockey, any sports, or whenever you get to bright movie/tv show scenes. The material is trully matte, whereas the lower-cost materials always have a level of sheen to them
-much sharper image (very important if you conciously chose a 1080p projector vs a 720p projector, with any non-Reference screen, you won't really get a true 1080p image - the Reference features has a really good photo showing pixel degradation vs some non-Reference materials out there)
-above point also means the screen will last longer because you have no problem upgrading to a 4K projector, whether it's in 3 years or in 10 years, whereas non-Reference screens cannot even fully handle a 1080p image
-better blacks on both the 1.0 white and the 0.8 gray than the Elara II
-zero sheen to the finish - all you see is a perfect projector image, not artifacting/texturing of the screen
-the 5" border greatly enhances the percieved contrast, and makes your screen look like huge plasma screen when watching the projector, and absolutely luxurious look when off. The velour is much more light-absorbant, which really helps the percieved contrast of the image

Many people email back and tell us that getting the Reference Studio screen felt like they upgraded their projector. It's a screen that will give you both immediate results and pay dividends in the future, as the lack of texturing will mean it can handle infinite resolution.

Thank you,

Milosh

hingis_fan

12-06-11, 09:48 PM

Would you only recommend the reference white over the reference grey when always viewing in a totally light controlled room? I assume you would advise me to get the grey? Also, the 0.8 would probably help me a lot, as the W6000 is quite bright to begin with, and could use a bit of help with the blacks.

miloshj

12-06-11, 10:41 PM

I would recommend the Gray if you do want the better black levels. I personally use the gray, because black levels are the Achilles' heel of all but a few of the extremely high-end projectors.

rnrgagne

12-08-11, 10:46 AM

I just bought an electric tab tensioned reference screen and I am a bit disappointed.
I just want to warn anyone planning on using it in similar way.

The screen material is all white and the borders are painted on on the front, but the back isn't. Seems a bit odd given the important of light affecting contrast, and that a retractable screen will inevitably hang in front of something.....

I haven't projected onto it yet but, my installation is in front of a set of alcove windows with white blinds. When I installed the screen and tested it I was surprised to find that it was almost translucent, light was coming through the screen from the windows behind. What concerns me is even when the blinds are closed and it's dark in the room I might loose a ton of contrast from the reverse affect of the light of the projector going through the screen and reflecting back off the blinds.

Anyways, I'm considering painting the back. Any recommendation on what paint to use or where to get the border paint. Or for that matter any potential pitfalls of doing this?

DaveHao

12-08-11, 11:25 AM

Hi

I do not recommend you paint the back side of the screen. It is a vinyl surface and you would need a special type of paint that does not flake off when it is rolled and it is extremely difficult to do. You can ruin the screen extremely easily if you do this for little or no benefit. Naturally if you attempt this, we would not honour the warranty. We have also explored this option in designing the screens and that painting the screen black on the other side is not an acceptable option.

The light leakage is minimal from the back side of the screen, and I have extensively tested it vs the regular Reference Studio 100 with the black backing for the Fixed. In fact in our demo room, I have the Reference Studio Tab Tension 4 inches in front of our Fixed Frame. There is no difference in picture quality between the two screens, one with a black backing and one without. The white surface of the Reference Fixed would scatter any light from the Tab Tension back to the Tab Tension and thus make this a good test.

In any event, if you are unhappy with the screen, return it for a full refund. Another option is we can build you a tab tension screen with a black backing, but the material would not be nearly as good, which is why we decided to make the engineering decision to forgo the black backing for the best picture quality.

Once you use it in a dark room, I don't think you should be too concerned as our Reference screens are designed to work well in medium ambient light situations and best in low ambient light situations.

Thanks
Dave Hao
EluneVision screens

WhereToStart

12-08-11, 11:52 AM

hingis_fan

12-08-11, 12:08 PM

I am about 90% conviced from this thread to go with a 16:9 reference gray screen, over the Elara II I was going to purchase. My setup is a basement with controllable lighting, although I do prefer a bit of light for sports or gaming, but for movies it's lights out. Doing a BenQ W6000 with a 13' throw. The wall I am setting up the screen on is 11' wide and 8' tall. Seating will about 13' back. I need to fit a Martin Logan Motion 12 on either side of the screen, but they are only 7" wide.

What size 16:9 reference gray should I go with? Looks like 100", 108" or 115" will all work ok....Sitting 13' back is there such a thing as too big?

Help!

miloshj

12-08-11, 03:16 PM

What size 16:9 reference gray should I go with? Looks like 100", 108" or 115" will all work ok....Sitting 13' back is there such a thing as too big?

I would go with the 100" or the 108" personally, but it's a matter of taste. Some would go with 115" even, but I think the safe bet for the majority would be either the 100" or 108".

Thanks,
Milosh

LeeC22

12-08-11, 03:56 PM

I was wondering if anyone handles the Elunevision screens in Europe, or outside the US in general. I have just bought the Epson EH-TW6000W, and I have a big ambient light problem... white ceiling, pale green walls, light carpet.

Posting on a well-known UK AV site, the response has been "spend lots of money, because you only get what you pay for". And the general consensus I see here, is "you don't need to spend lots of money, to get the quality you desire".

I've been quoted £1300 (over $2000) or more, to get a screen to control my ambient light problem on the UK site I mentioned. Yet I see people here doing that for a fraction of the cost... and all of them seem immensely happy with their choice of screen. Which to me speaks volumes about the quality of both the product, and the service from the company concerned.

After seeing what is possible for a more realistic price, I am even less convinced that spending over $2000 is what is required. But of course, all this is in vain, if Elunevision is simply not available outside the US.

Thanks for reading my long ramble, and for any info you can provide in return.

Cheers
Lee

rnrgagne

12-08-11, 08:21 PM

The light leakage is minimal from the back side of the screen, and I have extensively tested it vs the regular Reference Studio 100 with the black backing for the Fixed. In fact in our demo room, I have the Reference Studio Tab Tension 4 inches in front of our Fixed Frame. There is no difference in picture quality between the two screens, one with a black backing and one without. The white surface of the Reference Fixed would scatter any light from the Tab Tension back to the Tab Tension and thus make this a good test.

Thanks for the reply, that's good to know. I hold judgement till I get the PJ running.

psgcdn

12-13-11, 06:12 PM

What size 16:9 reference gray should I go with? Looks like 100", 108" or 115" will all work ok....Sitting 13' back is there such a thing as too big?

Help!

I would go with the 100" or the 108" personally, but it's a matter of taste. Some would go with 115" even, but I think the safe bet for the majority would be either the 100" or 108".

Thanks,
Milosh

Really? I asked around and got bigger advice. I'll be 10 feet away and am considering 120" 16:9 or even more if 2.35:1 format.

Summa

12-13-11, 06:34 PM

I felt differently when I had my 720p projector a while back, but ever since going to 1080p I definitely subscribe to the "bigger is better" theory. I sit around 10' away, just as you do, and my screen is 120". When I upgrade to the Elune Vision Reference, I'm going with the 135", cause that's the absolute most screen I can fit in here :D

miloshj

12-13-11, 08:10 PM

Really? I asked around and got bigger advice. I'll be 10 feet away and am considering 120" 16:9 or even more if 2.35:1 format.

From 10 feet away, I don't think you would be able to see the whole screen surface very clearly without having to shift your eyes back and forth, which would mean you went too big. Personal taste is always there, but I don't think I would go above 100" screen from 10' away.

rnrgagne

12-13-11, 10:25 PM

I'm trying to set the drop-stop on my reference screen now that I'm ready to use it and I can't for the life of me get the adjustment tool to do anything. I can't tell if it's seating into any kind of socket when I insert it into the designated hole. When I did find some resistance I turned it for about 10 turns and nothing...so I tried about fifty turns unitl my fingers were sore and still nothing... it drops down too far.

I'm definitiely turning it in the right direction according to the arrows on the sticker... but I have no idea if the resistance I'm feeling is just because I've crammed the tool up against something or it's actually doing anything.

Any pointers or help wouild be greatly appreciated.

Very frustrated right now.

psgcdn

12-14-11, 07:29 AM

From 10 feet away, I don't think you would be able to see the whole screen surface very clearly without having to shift your eyes back and forth, which would mean you went too big. Personal taste is always there, but I don't think I would go above 100" screen from 10' away.

We're talking diagonal, right?

100" diagonal screen from 10' away yields a 40 degree horizontal viewing angle. THX guidelines say 36 degrees is the minimum angle for the furthest seat. THX recommend 53 degrees as the maximum for the front row (that's one screen width away). I don't want to sit on the first row at the theater, but I sure don't want to be close to the last row.

120" diagonal is 47 degrees.

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

DaveHao

12-14-11, 10:45 AM

rnrgagne

12-14-11, 01:16 PM

miloshj

12-14-11, 03:16 PM

100" diagonal screen from 10' away yields a 40 degree horizontal viewing angle. THX guidelines say 36 degrees is the minimum angle for the furthest seat. THX recommend 53 degrees as the maximum for the front row (that's one screen width away). I don't want to sit on the first row at the theater, but I sure don't want to be close to the last row.

I wouldn't try arguing with the numbers, but the THX recommendations have always been too large for me, and I do see a lot of exchanges down to a smaller size for people who go with the THX recommendation as per above. Their reason is always the same reason that I recommended the particular size screen in the post above: you need to shift your eyes too much if the action is not always centered on screen (ie if the most important part of the scene is at the left or at the right). This makes watching longer movies, or multiple tv-shows in one sitting very straining for a lot of people - and I am going with a combination of customer feedback and personal experience here.

With that in mind, some people do stick with the THX recommended size and are very happy with it, so at the end of the day, I think there is no right answer, and each person should map out the screen size and try to figure out what size will personally work for them.

Thanks,

Milosh

Summa

12-14-11, 05:52 PM

I wouldn't try arguing with the numbers, but the THX recommendations have always been too large for me, and I do see a lot of exchanges down to a smaller size for people who go with the THX recommendation as per above. Their reason is always the same reason that I recommended the particular size screen in the post above: you need to shift your eyes too much if the action is not always centered on screen (ie if the most important part of the scene is at the left or at the right). This makes watching longer movies, or multiple tv-shows in one sitting very straining for a lot of people - and I am going with a combination of customer feedback and personal experience here.

With that in mind, some people do stick with the THX recommended size and are very happy with it, so at the end of the day, I think there is no right answer, and each person should map out the screen size and try to figure out what size will personally work for them.

Thanks,

Milosh

This is exactly why I bought a cheap-o screen off of amazon...so I coudl live with it while before pulling the trigger on a reference screen. I needed a little time to get a few bills paid anyway, so this worked out well. Having a 3D projector now, I actually like a larger screen. The effects are more impressive and I like the immerseion feeling you get from going to an IMAX. I may still stick with 120" but really considering the 135" model.

rnrgagne

12-15-11, 09:59 AM

Hi
I left voicemail and emailed you with my number. I can walk you through how to do it.
Also for everyone else, I will post my walkthrough later as I get this question a few times a year.
Thanks
Dave

Thanks Dave, that was one of those conundrums wrapped in an enigma surrounded by confusion!! ;)

Bottom line is the tool only goes in about 1" to 1-1/12", and has to be angled about 20 degrees pointing to the A/C plug side of the casing in order to seat in the switch socket. Works like a charm.

On the screen itself, I'm coming from an older Stewart Firehawk (not the G3), and I haven't calibrated the projector yet, but it's easy to see the difference in color and rendition already, plus I was able to get a sharper focus than on the slightly grainy Firehawk. Watching hockey, there was a huge difference, the ice looked real, whereas on the Firehawk it had almost a metallic sheen to it with some areas having a pinkish hue.

Regular TV programs look great and I haven't fired up the Blu Ray yet. Watching darker scenes though is where this screen is weaker than the Firehawk. Any ambient light at all really affects the PQ much more than I got accustomed to. I may not be able to use this set up for daytime movie watching without cranking up the lamp mode.

The screen is very translucent, from the back I can watch the program as clear as day from outside if I don't have the blinds down. I'm not noticing much of an affect on the picture from the back side reflection so far as I can tell. The in room reflections are much more in play.

psgcdn

12-15-11, 10:36 AM

This is exactly why I bought a cheap-o screen off of amazon...so I coudl live with it while before pulling the trigger on a reference screen. I needed a little time to get a few bills paid anyway, so this worked out well. Having a 3D projector now, I actually like a larger screen. The effects are more impressive and I like the immerseion feeling you get from going to an IMAX. I may still stick with 120" but really considering the 135" model.

Yeah, I'm going to use a sheet to figure out what size I really want.

ModestHT

12-15-11, 12:28 PM

Does anyone know the gain on the AT reference screen?

rnrgagne

12-15-11, 02:10 PM

Yeah, I'm going to use a sheet to figure out what size I really want.

What thread count? ;):D

miloshj

12-15-11, 02:28 PM

Does anyone know the gain on the AT reference screen?

It is a 1.15 gain screen.

http://www.elunevision.com/referenceaudioweave.html

ModestHT

12-15-11, 08:15 PM

It is a 1.15 gain screen.

http://www.elunevision.com/referenceaudioweave.html

Thank you Sir!

moonw5

12-21-11, 08:56 AM

I just received and mounted my 120" 2.35:1 Reference Acoustic Weave screen. Replaces a 106" 16:9 format Da-Lite Cinemavision.
I will post impressions as I work with the new screen more.

moonw5

12-21-11, 04:22 PM

Well I thought I'd give a non-professional review of this screen from assembly to use.

Coming from a Da-Lite screen which I have put together several to the Elunevision product. It would take me about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes by myself to assemble a Da-Lite fixed fram screen. This model of Elunevision took about 1.5 hours. Most of it was to become familiar with the process. Because of the way the screen has to be installed, I would recommend 2 people to ensure that the fabric is not snagged when the steel rods are inserted. I made sure to place the foam wrap on the floor so that the velvet would not pick up too much lint or particles. I found that the black backing to be a bit more finicky to install as it was very taught when installing the spring tension clips.
The frame itself is very simple to put together. You just have to ensure that the velvet wrap sits properly when squeezing the corners together.
Mounting on the wall is easy as well. the 2 included brackets just need to be screwed to the wall, preferably on wall stud instead of using the included plastic drywall anchors (I would actually just dispose of those and get the screw in anchors if you need to do it). The weight of the screen is almost double the weight of the Da-Lite screen 106" it replaced due to the 5 inch frame, so make sure you have the supports installed correctly.
I noticed that the weave itself is very fine and the material is off white in coloration.

Watching everything from standard DVD's to Blu-ray and 720p television I noticed that the whites projected on the screen have no tint to them anymore. There is a visual difference in perceived image sharpness. Skin tones are natural and do not push to the yellow side as compared to the Cinemavision. One of my biggest complaints for the Cinemavision was the sparklies and grain I noticed on the screen especially during bright scenes. The material on the Elunevision Reference has none of that. Screen brightness was uniform throughout the whole screen, even at ridiculous angles that most would not watch. The screen weave almost disappers when you are at 4 foot distance and at my seating distances of 9 feet and 16 feet this is a non-issue. The gain of the AT fabric is listed as 1.15. The gain of the Cinemavision is 1.3. At no time did I feel that the image less bright on the Elunevision Reference. I could not perceive any difference. As you can tell I am quite pleased with the image quality of the screen.:cool:

I have not tested the audio quality nor 3D viewing of the screen as I will be making some renovations to my dedicated theater room to accomodate the screen and new Sony VPL 95ES projector.

ModestHT

12-21-11, 05:49 PM

Thanks for the quick write up Moon. I would be interested to understand more as you test the audio and 3D qualities. This is exactly the same setup I am leaning towards purchasing next year; that is, the EluneVision reference AT screen with 95 Sony Projector.

moonw5

12-21-11, 06:46 PM

Photos of Elunevision Reference 120" Acoustic Weave 2.35:1 screen.

BEFORE:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj30/rszk/639d6510.jpg

AFTER:
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj30/rszk/0f79b347.jpg

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ack_bk

12-21-11, 11:54 PM

Photos of Elunevision Reference 120" Acoustic Weave 2.35:1 screen.

BEFORE:

AFTER:

Perhaps I am missing something, but are you planning on mounting your speakers behind the screen since it is AT?

atabea

12-22-11, 12:57 AM

I believe I was one of the first to actually own Elunevision’s new AudioWeave screens, but due to a complete basement overhaul, it took me a while to get everything up and running. First, let me say how great it was dealing with Dave Hao of Elunevision. Dave was/is extremely knowledgeable about his products and he always made himself available for questions or help. Overall, the Customer Service at Elunevision is really great.

I also have to disclose that I am no expert when it comes to screens or screen materials. I did however, own a few screens in the past, ranging from Goo systems to Dalite HP screens. The idea of going with an AT screen has always fascinated me, but I just didn’t want the hassle of having to build a false wall and to install the requisite acoustic material behind the screen, not to mention the extra work to black out everything behind the screen. Since I was doing a basement overhaul, I thought it would be a good time to get it all done in one big extensive project.

Having no previous experience with any kind of AT screen, I was very sceptical. I was concerned about light loss, poor definition, audio problems, moiré and a whole host of related issues. Dave Hao assured me that during his research and development of the new material, he had eliminated all of the inherent problems with the AudioWeave. After demoing his regular Reference Studio screen and being utterly impressed by them, I took his word that the AudioWeave would retain all the strengths of the Reference Studio with the added benefit of being Acoustically Transparent. So, I bought myself a 130 inch diagonal, 2.35:1 scope screen (120 wide by 51 high) AudioWeave.

I have been using the AudioWeave Extensively over the past week and here are my impressions:

1) There is absolutely no way ANYONE can tell that the material is a Weave anywhere outside of 6 feet (8 feet if I shine a flashlight directly on it). And that is without any program material. With movie material, I would have to go directly right next to the screen to see any patterns at all.

2) Moire was one of my primary concerns. Well, I can confirm that it simply does not exist anywhere on the AudioWeave.

3) Sharpness. Wow!!! All I can say is I am stunned. I was worried that, being a weave, there will be noticeable softness. I honestly believe that this weave is no less sharp than my solid High Power screen.

4) Color. Another home run. Damn, this thing is as true as I have ever seen.

5) Light loss. I was really expecting this area to be truly dreadful, especially coming from a Dalite 2.8 gain High Power Screen. Yes, the HP is definitely brighter. But for all intents and purposes, the AudioWeave does not suffer from excessive light loss. I am running a fairly wide screen (120 inches wide to be exact) with a projector that is not known for calibrated brightness (JVC X30). Although Dave told me I should run the JVC in high lamp mode due to the size of the screen as well as the Weave material, I have found that I can, and do, run it in normal mode with plenty of brightness (sorry Dave, it looks great in normal mode). In fact, I have my iris closed down to -10 (out of 15) and it’s still plenty bright.

It should be noted that I have total light control and not a speck of light gets into my room and I use non-reflective black fabric on my walls, ceiling and floor. In my surroundings, and from what I can remember, it is only slightly less bright than Elunevision’s own regular Reference Studio white (for those who have seen the Reference Studio). In fact, the difference is very subtle and you may not even notice the slight difference.

6) AUDIO. As much as I am impressed by the video performance of the AudioWeave, I am equally impressed by the Audio performance. Naturally, it would be ideal without any barriers in front of your speakers and obviously there would/should be some level of loss or attenuation with the AudioWeave in Place.

As stated earlier, I am no expert in this area but I did take some measurements with my Radio Shack SPL Metre with the AudioWeave in Place and with it removed. From what I have measured, using the test tones from a receiver, the difference was no greater than 1db. And I am not even sure about the 1db because it seemed to fluctuate back and forth (it is a digital SPL meter).

In any event, when actually listening to movies and music the sound is fabulous and you completely forget there is a screen in front of the speakers. All you hear is the sound coming from the appropriate and proper locations on the screen---and it never sounded more “right” and natural.

Having the sound/dialog coming from the precise location of the characters on screen is truly an eye-opening experience. Once you have tried it you simply cannot go back (to having your speakers either on the floor or on top of the screen). In this layout, I can actually have all my speakers standing vertically and not the compromised position of having the center channel lying flat. That alone is a fundamental improvement. For those who have not experienced an AT screen system done right, be careful----It’s fracking addicting.

Okay, now for some negatives. When I bought my AudioWeave, Dave had not yet finalized the instruction sheet. As a result, I had a tough time trying to figure out the schematics and putting it together. It took me about three hours, a few stiff drinks and several calls to Dave Hao (not to mention I developed a whole bunch of new cuss words out of sheer frustration) to get things done. I even had a faulty (very important) screw that holds one of the “L” brackets in place—it had no treads and there were no extras in the package. Hint to Dave, include a couple of extras in the box in case there are duds or you could lose one. I had to improvise to make it work.

The above notwithstanding, if Dave has ironed out the kinks in the instruction manual then there really are no negative aspects to speak of. Let’s just say that this is one of THE BEST investments I have ever made in my home theatre experience.

I would like to disclaim that I am not a friend of Dave Hao and I have absolutely no affiliation with Elunevision. I am simply a well satisfied owner of a truly great product. Go check it out for yourself and I guarantee your opinions will be very similar to mine.

Best regards to all

Atabea.

PS: I have watched three 3D movies with the AudioWeave and while my (now stored) High Power screen would have provided a brighter picture, I find that the brightness is more than satisfactory. My Projector automatically switches in to high lamp mode for 3D and the increased birghtness and related settings are just about right. It looks phenomenal! Hopefully, as the lamp ages, there will not be a steep drop-off. Now that could present a problem. I will have to keep an eye out for that.

atabea

12-22-11, 01:24 AM

someone post when they get one. At the price they rae I am really interested. I have a CRT so I'd be interested how they perform.http://www.worldwidegamingexchange.info/jh2.jpg
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In light of the price/performance ratio, it's a no-brainer. At the very least, it needs to be seen and heard.

moonw5

12-22-11, 08:39 AM

Perhaps I am missing something, but are you planning on mounting your speakers behind the screen since it is AT?

Yes you are missing something. In my first post near the end I stated I have not tested the acoustic properties of the screen as the theater will have some major renovations to accomodate the new screen and projector.

Regards

ModestHT

12-22-11, 09:42 AM

Atabea, thank you for writing such a detailed post. Customer testimonials from you, Moon, and others makes the decision to purchase an EluneVision screen really a no brainer for me.

moonw5

12-22-11, 01:14 PM

Great Post Atabea! I'm glad my findings are with yours. I would love for you to post your room photos. I almost went for the 130", but decided against it as I needed to maximize my lumens for the 3D movies and was unsure if it would provide enough lumens as my bulb ages. Tonight I will be relocating the projector farther back in the room to maximize screen projection width and also for the false wall that will be going up so I can mount the speakers on the front wall.

Regards

DaveHao

12-22-11, 02:12 PM

I am very happy to know that you guys are happy with the new Reference AudioWeave screens. It really good to know our year worth of R&D is successful. The new instructions as promised will be loaded on to EluneVision website tonight and will be included with all further screen shipments.

Thanks
Dave Hao
EluneVision

ModestHT

12-22-11, 02:17 PM

Guys, I am looking at 100" to 120" diaganol AT reference electric screen from EluneVision. I will be recessing the screen into my ceiling. Do any of you know of a generic ceiling trim kit that I can purchase to give it that professional look? Otherwise, many of the other manufactures (DaLite, Elite Screens) sell a trim kit for their screens and wondering if I could get that to work with EluneVision?

Any advice / thoughts would be appreciated.

crazyravr

12-22-11, 02:43 PM

Well as soon as Elunevision ships the screen, I can be added as another owner. I went with 130" 2.35 Ref. I was very close to getting a BD screen last night but by the time I got to the person's house today morning the screen was sold (and at what he was selling it for I was not surprised (first come first serve)). So hopefully by next week I will have the screen in my house and hanging before the end of the year.
Dave is really a pleasure to talk to. Very informative and quick to answer questions.

atabea

12-22-11, 06:33 PM

atabea

12-22-11, 06:38 PM

crazyravr

12-23-11, 07:10 AM

No no... not AudioWeave. Just the standard Reference :)

crazyravr

12-23-11, 11:31 AM

And so I got the word. The screen will be dropped off at my house today :) The bad part is I will not be able to set it up until next week :( but thumbs up to Dave for getting it all done so fast :)

atabea

12-23-11, 12:25 PM

And so I got the word. The screen will be dropped off at my house today :) The bad part is I will not be able to set it up until next week :( but thumbs up to Dave for getting it all done so fast :)

Nice!. I have seen the Reference--you'll love.

moonw5

12-25-11, 08:06 AM

Hey Moonw5, you have some Serious gear! They must sound great. I will try to take some pictures and upload later. I don't have any before pictures though.

atabea

Thanks Atabea! This hobby never seems to be finished though huh!
I just relocated my projector back 4 feet and now I can zoom when watching scope movies and have the image spill to the entire screen. Wow what a difference over 16:9 aspect ratio. I watched Avatar (for the 7th time...3 times at the theater and 4 at home) and am totally amazed with the clarity of the new screen and projector combination. Now if there just was a scope version of that movie available.

My next step is a false wall for the screen so I can get the speakers behind the screen and a chair riser.
Merry Christmas everyone!

psgcdn

12-26-11, 10:19 AM

Yeah, I'm going to use a sheet to figure out what size I really want.

Wow, the picture looks amazing on a sheet! :eek:
You guys are sure an expensive screen makes a huge difference? Right now it looks as good or better than my 50" plasma so there's not a whole lot of room left for improvement. Is it going to be night and day? Or subtle better blacks and colors? :o

moonw5

12-27-11, 09:47 AM

Wow, the picture looks amazing on a sheet! :eek:
You guys are sure an expensive screen makes a huge difference? Right now it looks as good or better than my 50" plasma so there's not a whole lot of room left for improvement. Is it going to be night and day? Or subtle better blacks and colors? :o

I did the sheet thing years ago, when I was waiting for my very first screen. Trust me, it won't be subtle!:eek:

psgcdn

12-27-11, 10:26 AM

Great to know. Wouldn't want to spend that kind of money for subtle changes. Thanks!

moonw5

12-30-11, 12:54 PM

ModestHT

12-30-11, 03:09 PM

Well, just finished a couple of movies in 3D on the 120" 2.35:1 Reference Acoustic screen and I am very impressed. More than enough brightness from the Sony 95ES even at 16 foot projection distance.
I still am impressed with the screen after 30 hours of movies on this screen.:D

I had a GTG with a couple of friends who are longtime projector/screen users and all they said was that they didn't want to look at their systems anymore!! :eek:

Wow, that is great news and very encouraging for people like me in the market. Thanks for sharing your story. Any chance you can take a few photos of your screen with / without movie images? I'm looking at the same combination.

psgcdn

12-30-11, 03:46 PM

Thanks for the review! I got off the phone with Milosh minutes ago and pulled the trigger on a 120 inch 16:9 electric Reference AudioWeave. Costs more than my projector so I hope it's worth it!!!

hingis_fan

01-04-12, 10:05 AM

Just received my 108" reference grey fixed frame to be used with my W6000....Can't wait!

Thanks again Milosh!

psgcdn

01-04-12, 11:00 AM

Thanks for the review! I got off the phone with Milosh minutes ago and pulled the trigger on a 120 inch 16:9 electric Reference AudioWeave. Costs more than my projector so I hope it's worth it!!!

My screen is backordered after all... :(

I have the 120" 16:9 Reference case dimensions, but need a bit more info from owners as I want to build a 2.5" deep case inset for it. The case will be attached to floor joists and will come down flush with a suspended ceiling.

Where does the 120V cord come out?
How is the screen attached to the ceiling?
How much extra front and back room should I leave to access these screws?

This way, I can at least build this box of the correct size and place the power outlet at the right place because i get the screen in a month or two.

Thanks...

domingos38

01-04-12, 07:12 PM

anyone have the Perlux-Silver 1.4 Gain Material?
how is it?

psgcdn

01-06-12, 10:10 AM

My screen is backordered after all... :(

I have the 120" 16:9 Reference case dimensions, but need a bit more info from owners as I want to build a 2.5" deep case inset for it. The case will be attached to floor joists and will come down flush with a suspended ceiling.

Where does the 120V cord come out?
How is the screen attached to the ceiling?
How much extra front and back room should I leave to access these screws?

This way, I can at least build this box of the correct size and place the power outlet at the right place because i get the screen in a month or two.

Thanks...

Anyone?

Ronzai

01-09-12, 02:42 PM

atabea

01-09-12, 06:59 PM

Hey, Ronzai,

Good to see you back at the Elunevision thread. I am really in constant awe of the great image the Audioweave is capable of and it's truly a revelation with the sound emanating from the precise locations of the characters on the screen, just like it should be. I honestly can't imagine going back to a regular setup with speakers above or below the screen. Everyone who is considering such a setup should --AT LEAST-- make the trip to Hamilton and experience the Audioweave first hand. I am glad I waited to get the completed product (with the black backing) as there doesn't seem to be any light leakage whatsoever.

BTW, I really like your theater

atabea

He Atabea,

I have been away for a bit and came back to see you went ahead and ordered the AT screen from Dave and Milosh. With as many messages we bounced back and forth I could tell you were apprehensive to jump at the Elunevision AT screen. They have made them even better since I ordered mine as a custom. They have put a black backing which mine does not have. However as I had mentioned before, my screen wall is flat black so it was not an issue with light bouncing back and the weave is so fine compared to their first fabric that light loss really is not an issue for an AT screen.

Congrats on jumping into the AT screen world and glad to see you are enjoying yours as much as I enjoy mine (125" diagonal 2.35:1 scope). It is awesome having the sounds coming from the image where it belongs.

Enjoy
Ronzai

atabea

01-09-12, 07:13 PM

Hi Moonw5,

Have you finished your false wall? Don't forget to post some pics of the process for those who might be considering the same type of setup. I regret that I did not take any "before" photos when I was constructing my false wall and installing the screen. I bought a new camera and I am still trying to figure it out. I hope to post some "after" photos of the weave soon. I agree, Avatar should have been shot at a wider aspect ratio. I would love to have it in 3D---as soon as it becomes available.

atabea

Thanks Atabea! This hobby never seems to be finished though huh!
I just relocated my projector back 4 feet and now I can zoom when watching scope movies and have the image spill to the entire screen. Wow what a difference over 16:9 aspect ratio. I watched Avatar (for the 7th time...3 times at the theater and 4 at home) and am totally amazed with the clarity of the new screen and projector combination. Now if there just was a scope version of that movie available.

My next step is a false wall for the screen so I can get the speakers behind the screen and a chair riser.
Merry Christmas everyone!

moonw5

01-10-12, 07:14 PM

Hi Moonw5,

Have you finished your false wall? Don't forget to post some pics of the process for those who might be considering the same type of setup. I regret that I did not take any "before" photos when I was constructing my false wall and installing the screen. I bought a new camera and I am still trying to figure it out. I hope to post some "after" photos of the weave soon. I agree, Avatar should have been shot at a wider aspect ratio. I would love to have it in 3D---as soon as it becomes available.

atabea

Hi Atabea,
this project is going to be a monster I think...or black hole for the wallet. I have been in consultation with a contractor for some of(okay alot of the work) and I am just waiting for the estimate. The whole room may go down in the dust down to bare framing.:eek:
We shall see here soon. I will keep you guys posted. In the mean time I am sure enjoying cinemascope! :)

BigM555

01-12-12, 12:16 PM

anyone have the Perlux-Silver 1.4 Gain Material?
how is it?

I think there is some info further back in this thread but since I have the Perlux 1.4 screen I'll tell you what I can.

I'm new to projection but I've been an avid HT enthusiast for a while so I would characterize myself as fairly discerning. I spent about 3Hrs at Eastporters (thanks for your patience Dave) before making my purchase decision. Most of the viewing in their demo room was on their reference material. I ended up taking a step higher on the projector than I was planning and was also concerned about imperfect light control in my HT so I opted for the Perlux 1.4 screen. I purchased a 120" 2.35 fixed frame screen throwing an image from a JVC X30 from about 17' currently. The projector will eventually be ceiling mounted with a throw distance of about 13'.

As for the screen, I'm pretty happy with it. Color and contrast seem to be very good in ideal light conditions. The screen is reasonably tolerant of some ambient light, though you do lose blacks of course. Washout doesn't seem to be quite as bad on the Perlux as it was on the Reference material that I saw at Eastporters demo room. The Perlux material has very little texture to it and maintains good sharpness. I do detect a bit of sparkle on very bright images, mostly only noticeable during pans, but this was expected with the 1.4 gain material. It's really not that bad, my wife and a few friends say they don't see it but I do. I notice it even at a 24' seating distance (my room has issues, I won't get into it here). It grow more noticeable at closer viewing distances to me. If I can resolve my seating distance issue to get closer to the ideal 14' or so I may be annoyed enough to make the switch to the Reference material. I'm certain I would be sacrificing a good deal under non-optimal lighting though. My room is not a dedicated HT and thus my better half discourages painting everything flat black.

moonw5

01-12-12, 09:39 PM

anyone have the Perlux-Silver 1.4 Gain Material?
how is it?

I just finished helping install this screen so I can comment. Screen was a 120" 2.35:1 Fixed frame unit.

Assembly: Instructions are...sketchy...really have to improve the Chinglish (I can say this because I am part Chinese so hopefully no one takes offense :p). The frame is easy to assemble, just need to make sure you get those nuts in first before you assemble the corners (ask me how I know). Also, when you remove the packing foam sheets around the frame, make sure you place it on the floor/carpet then put your ready to assemble frame rails on it to prevent any black stuff from ruining your carpet.
The screen material itself puts out some odor, but not too bad. You do require 2 people to install the steel tensioning bars on the long part of the screen material. The short ends are a one person job. Tensioning is straightforward, but tedious compared to the easy snap-on nature of Da-lite products. The part I didn't like was the plastic edging you had to put on. The long ends were okay, but he short ends on the width wouldn't snap into place. In the end, we just left them out.I think Elunevision should rethink those plastic edges and maybe just use some rubber standoffs that you can screw in place along each edge of the frame.
Installing the screen on the wall was easy with some proper 55lb metal anchor screws and a good level.

Picture quality comparison based on a Panasonic 4000 on a High Contrast Cinema Vision 106" 16:9 fixed frame as reference was not subtle. It was easily a 50% increase in perceived image quality. The material is very smooth in look and feel. There was much more detail, sharpness and contrast to the whole image. the color rendition was much more natural as well with a great pop to the image and almost 3D quality to it. Being a 1.4 gain screen, you could definitely tell that the image was quite bright. It seemed like the Panasonic had new life in it with 1500 hours on the bulb. I'm sure that ECO mode on the Panasonic PJ will be used once the bulb gets replaced.

Downsides: I noticed some very slight light fall off on the corners/sides of the image and some sparklies on whites like on surf waves or bright almost white scenes. I must say I am very sensitive to this and even near the back of the 18' dedicated theater room I could detect it. On my Acoustic Reference this is non-issue with perfectly even light and no sparklies whatsoever.

Price: when you factor in above average build quality save for a bit tedious assembly, the end result is amazing especially for the amount of money you are spending.

I hope this helps!

miloshj

01-13-12, 02:53 PM

Assembly: Instructions are...sketchy...really have to improve the Chinglish (I can say this because I am part Chinese so hopefully no one takes offense ).

I believe your particular screen came with the old set of instructions. The instruction manuals were swapped out, but I believe that your screen box must have fallen through the cracks - apologies for that. The new instructions are much-improved:

http://www.eastporters.com/PDF/Elara/assembly.pdf

Washout doesn't seem to be quite as bad on the Perlux as it was on the Reference material that I saw at Eastporters demo room

I would add to your comment that, overall, the Reference Studio Gray material is better with ambient light than the Perlux 1.4 material, boosting black levels, while still keeping all of the characteristics which make the Reference Studio White material so amazing (no hot-spotting, zero texturing, etc). What we have in the demo room is the White material, which is suited for well-controlled rooms. In your case, had you wanted to go with something more high end like the Reference Studio screen, but wanted something that can withstand more ambient light, you would go with the Reference Studio Gray screen, which is not on display in the demo room.

Milosh

BigM555

01-14-12, 01:04 PM

I would add to your comment that, overall, the Reference Studio Gray material is better with ambient light than the Perlux 1.4 material, boosting black levels, while still keeping all of the characteristics which make the Reference Studio White material so amazing (no hot-spotting, zero texturing, etc). What we have in the demo room is the White material, which is suited for well-controlled rooms. In your case, had you wanted to go with something more high end like the Reference Studio screen, but wanted something that can withstand more ambient light, you would go with the Reference Studio Gray screen, which is not on display in the demo room.

Milosh

Thanks for clarifying Milosh. I had a budgetary constraint while I was there as Dave (easily) convinced me to go for the X30 over the Panny 4000 I was previously considering. Something had to give. :D

I have been considering an upgrade to the reference material as I do occasionally see the "sparklies" on the Perlux on very bright scenes (though that's my only real "complaint" and it is infrequent enough it is a near non-issue). I also wanted the 2.35 aspect ratio which I didn't see the grey reference material offered in. I've since learned through the forums here that you are pretty flexible in customizing options so that is likely not a road block. My final concern would be moving from the 1.4 gain material down to 0.8. That seems like a relatively large drop and I'm concerned I won't maintain enough brightness. Would the improved contrast and higher image quality help to offset the drop in gain? I'd love to hear from some others that have more experience than I.

go_habs

01-16-12, 02:53 PM

We just picked up our custom size 92'' Elunevision Refrence Studio Audioweave fix framed screen. We also picked up the JVC X30 thanks to dave showing us the difference between the panny7000 and the JVC. Great experience at east porters extremely knowledgeable, large selection of products for your home theater. Will be posting photos/reviews on the audio weave screen once we get ours up and installed. Let me say from one home theater demo from a Stuart screen to daves home theater demo on hes screen there was little to no difference in sharpness,quality,hot spots etc cant wait till its up and running.

follow my build http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1379436

Liaury

01-16-12, 03:42 PM

My quick two cents.

I've had my 100" Reference 2.35:1 fixed screen since early December. I don't have anything else to compare to, but here are some of my observations.

-There are no sparkles what so ever. I still don't really know what "sparkle" is since I've never seen anything like it on my screen.
-Super smooth. Viewing from 10.5 ft away, I sense no texturizing. It's so smooth, I'm sometimes paranoid that I don't have it focused.
-Unlimited viewing range. It seems the image maintains it's brightness regardless of what angle I'm standing at. I'm not sure how this is possible. If I'm standing by the front wall, the image seems just as bright. Not all that useful but I'm pretty amazed.

My only problem is the frame is not perfectly square. I'm sure no fixed frame have perfect 90 degree angles. I'm not spilling the image onto the frame by more than 1/4". This is probably pretty good.

BTW, I'm projecting from a new Mitz HC4000 from 11 feet away. Bottom of the screen is only 21" from the floor which should put my line of sight at 1/3 of the height from the bottom of the screen...which I think is perfect.

psgcdn

01-16-12, 06:41 PM

Wow... Everyone is getting 2.35:1! Will I regret waiting for a 16:9?

psgcdn

01-16-12, 06:41 PM

atabea

01-16-12, 06:52 PM

I really think you will. Change it if you still can. However, only do so if you have the JVC X30/70 or some other PJ that has lens memory and can perform the necessary stretch. Most movies are either 2.35:1 or 2.40:1. I have made the switch and I wished I had done it earlier.

atabea

Wow... Everyone is getting 2.35:1! Will I regret waiting for a 16:9?

moonw5

01-16-12, 08:07 PM

i really think you will. Change it if you still can. However, only do so if you have the jvc x30/70 or some other pj that has lens memory and can perform the necessary stretch. Most movies are either 2.35:1 or 2.40:1. I have made the switch and i wished i had done it earlier.

Atabea

+1

psgcdn

01-17-12, 07:20 AM

Projector is BenQ W6000 but I find it easy enough to adjust manually. Currently I don't mind the bars but I am projecting on a sheet so there are no black borders to add contrast.

Too bad 2.35:1 is more expensive for less material...

EMAGDNIM

01-24-12, 04:55 PM

I just finished reading this thread from the start. Overall it sounds like there's a TON of happy customers.

I need to come through for a JVC DLA X70 demo, and pick your brains about screens for my future setup.

atabea

01-24-12, 05:38 PM

Great choice for a projector--I wish I could afford the X70 but I am making do with the X30. The Reference Screens, Weave or Solid, are unbeatable in any price/category.

I just finished reading this thread from the start. Overall it sounds like there's a TON of happy customers.

I need to come through for a JVC DLA X70 demo, and pick your brains about screens for my future setup.

tqn

01-27-12, 10:59 PM

I need some input on choosing a screen. I'm looking to set up a budget home theatre. I plan on getting an LG HW300T LED rated at 300 lumens (I won't go into the reasons for choosing this pj here). My seating distance is about 10 feet, and I would like to go with a 92" screen.

I've used a couple of screen/gain calculators, and to achieve 16 ft-lamberts on 92", and assuming a real-world pj brightness of 250 lumens, I would need a gain of 1.7. Given that I will be mounting the pj on the ceiling, I've found that the 2.4 vivid pro white provides enough boost at the seating position to obtain 16 ft-L.

So what do you think...does it make sense for me to go with the vivid pro white? I don't really want to go smaller than 92" unless I absolutely have to.

The second part of my question is really directed toward Milosh. I would like a motorized screen. I looked on eastporter's website and do not see a 92" 2.4 gain electric screen. Can I get this screen in this size?

BTW, I bought a Panasonic AE-700 from eastporters way back in 2004. It's good to see the company is still doing well.

miloshj

01-30-12, 03:35 PM

rnrgagne

02-01-12, 07:51 PM

Gotta give props to EluneVision and Easporters, great customer service and support.
I bought a Reference Studio Tab Tensioned motorized screen from them. (White 1.0 gain.)

I'm coming from a fixed frame Stewart Firehawk, (the older one not the G3) in a light controlled room to the EluneVision in a non light controlled environment. (Really it should have been the other way around since the Firehawk has better light rejection.) I've got a Mits HC5000 right now.
Going to a white screen was actually not as bad as I thought it would be in that environment. There's no doubt ambient light affects the picture more, but the improvement in color and sharpness kind of offsets that difference overall.
Where I REALLY notice the difference is on hockey broadcasts, on the Firehawk the ice surface never looked right, kind of grainy with rainbow colors....sort of metallic looking. On the EV Reference, it's identical to being at the rink. Movie and TV watching at night is nothing short of excellent, and obviously because of the room it's just passable in the daytime. Having said that I haven't been compelled to crank up my PJ's lamp mode from the low setting as of yet.
I'm impressed enough with this screen to consider upgrading my P.J. and I'm going to have to do some homework on what's going to be the best for my application, but the screen's a keeper.

raymondeast

02-01-12, 11:24 PM

does anyone have the epson 5010 and the reference screen? what do you think i need a new screen and was thinking of highpower or reference?

miloshj

02-02-12, 03:49 PM

does anyone have the epson 5010 and the reference screen? what do you think i need a new screen and was thinking of highpower or reference?

The High-Power screen would be overkill for a projector that can put out 2400 Lumens as far as brightness, and it comes with obvious disadvantages over a Reference screen (hot-spotting, color accuracy issues, minimal but still present texturing, etc). It's funny, a lot of the things rnrgagne mentioned would apply to you if you were to get a High-Power screen as well. Another thing with the HighPower is the projector needs to be dead-center and at eye level for best results, otherwise the hot-spotting becomes even more apparent (and annoying). With the Reference screen, the image will look perfect, no matter the placement of the projector.

For those reasons, I would go with the Reference Studio screen. We can custom-build you a HighPower screen as well if you do want it (literally the exact same material that Da-Lite uses for theirs, except costing you less money - so send an email through the Eastporters website if interested). I would still definitely go for the Reference, however.

Milosh

ktran.888

02-04-12, 07:07 AM

DaveHao

02-04-12, 10:25 AM

PMed, I will walk you through.

EMAGDNIM

02-04-12, 03:32 PM

I had passed by for a demo and they were WONDERFUL to deal with. I'll be heading back again with my wife to pick your brains some more about screens, and for her to see the X70 in person.

They are very personable, very friendly and answer all of your questions. They sure know how to feel good about spending money with them.

Thanks again!

TheaterChad

02-05-12, 02:15 AM

Does Elune make 2.35:1 electric screns? Looking for a 125" diag screen non AT. thanks

psgcdn

02-05-12, 10:25 AM

Does Elune make 2.35:1 electric screns? Looking for a 125" diag screen non AT. thanks

Special order, but yes.

scyan

02-13-12, 07:44 PM

Just got a Reference Tab-Tensioned screen, but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to set the drop limit with the included tool. I've tried sticking it in every which angle, but it just doesn't seem to 'catch' on anything. Can someone post detailed instructions (or pictures) on how to do this?

Also, even though the sticker has an 'A' and 'B' side, there's only a hole for the 'B' side. Is that normal?

Much appreciated.

Kinda same here, I know I'm getting in a socket but its making a weird noise as I turn and just clicks... And nothing actually happens on the height.

To my knowledge, you press the down arrow and let the screen go all the way down on itself. Turn clockwise a couple turns to raise the lower limit. Raise the screen back up until you cant see black at all on the top. Press lower limit and let it go. Then you should see a difference in height from the adjustment.

But nothing in my case :(

DaveHao

02-14-12, 03:50 PM

Hi,

PMed, I will walked you through how to set the limits.

ktran.888

02-18-12, 04:08 PM

Kinda same here, I know I'm getting in a socket but its making a weird noise as I turn and just clicks... And nothing actually happens on the height.

To my knowledge, you press the down arrow and let the screen go all the way down on itself. Turn clockwise a couple turns to raise the lower limit. Raise the screen back up until you cant see black at all on the top. Press lower limit and let it go. Then you should see a difference in height from the adjustment.

But nothing in my case :(

The steps are basically right, as usual, the devil's in the details.

If you imagine a cylindrical roller inside the square container! Then you can kind of figure out what angle you need to insert the wand at to make proper contact. What worked for me, but is definitely not recommended is to stick a finger in the screen opening (when the screen is down) and feel around to get an idea of the position of the roller.

Another thing is that the limiter 'socket' felt more like a knob that kind gave a little when pushed. So pushing on that and turning clockwise is what did the trick for me.

Hope that helps.

Dmiraclejr

02-20-12, 09:13 AM

I have a very uncontrolled light media room with white ceiling, light green walls, and a few windows with shades. We use the room for about 50% daytime or lights on viewing and about 50% night/lights out viewing. The projector is a new Panny AR100U that is ceiling mounted.

I evaluated samples of the white and grey reference material this weekend and am having a hard time deciding which to get. The white looks better when watching light/bright content and the grey looks better when watching dark content like a Harry Potter movie or CSI.

Conventional wisdom would say to get the grey but I have noticed that it makes the cloudy blue sky background on the Disney WOW calibration disk look like a storm is rolling in. Whereas the white screen makes the same background look like a bright, blue, spring sky. Bottom line is that the grey seems to just affect the colors. Can this be calibrated out or do you just not notice it when evaluating the two materials right beside each other?

The white material also seems to have a slight blueish tint to it when viewed from the side. Not sure if this was due to me setup or not.

I want to get the very best screen I can get for under $1200.00 and I believe the EluneVision reference is it. Just looking for some comments on which material.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

DaveHao

02-22-12, 04:58 PM

Hi

I would recommend grey for the simple reason that the AR100U does not have the best black levels but have plenty of brightness. You can easily calibrate the colour shift.

Thanks
Dave

korkster911

02-27-12, 02:51 PM

Hey Guys, I've been a member here for around 6-7 years, don't post often, but whenever I have questions, everyone is very willing to answer.

I do want to share my experience with the Elunevision screen that I ordered.

For the longest time (since 2005/06?), I've been using my beloved Panasonic PTAE-900u proggy. Love it! Bought it the day it came out.

I used my nice bright white primed wall in my dedicated HT room and the surrounding walls were deep "drumbeat red" and quite honestly, the panny 900 did an amazing job! I suspect the screen was around 80" that I ended up having painted on the wall and I sat back around 12-13 feet.

And I looked at projector screens at the time, but WHAT A PAIN!!! Different screen gains, grey screens, sizes, tab tension, motorized, and EXPENSIVE! I mean, $2k+ for a screen? And not only that, but the screens looked worse in my opinion! Every time I auditioned a white screen that looked like there were little crystals in the screen. I've learned these are called "sparklies" and I can't stand them. The response from the salesroom people is generally "You won't see it often, just during hockey" or "it helps brighten the picture."

My wife and I also see the Rainbow Effect of DLP projectors (Hence the LCD projector) so all the little details bug us. Even further, I was one of the ones who held out for the 900u rather than settle with the 700u which had "banding issues." I'm pretty finicky when it comes to perfection... The designer in me wants perfection in my images! I can't just "settle."

Anyways, we're now in a new home and unfortunately, the setup is NOT a dedicated room and we now have 2 small children. White walls are "Chalkboards" and so we needed something that we could turn our family room into a viewing room at night when everyone is in bed.

And so I started the screen search again, this time motorized and was looking for 120".

And so there's the usual suspects for high quality screens... But I'm not about to drop thousands of dollars on a screen... I just can't. Not with two little girls and this economy...

But then I found this review thread and was quite impressed with a number of the reviews. Another fellow at a company where I was looking to purchase a screen from online was telling me "Save another 10% if you buy a projector at the same time" and "You really should upgrade your 900u to the 7000."

Thanks buddy... Not helpful.

But last week while in the hotel room for Business, I decided it was time to pull the trigger and order a screen.

Now let me explain, It's very difficult to purchase a screen "sight unseen" when you've had a lot of bad experience. Sparklies, bleeding blacks, wrinkly screens, etc... I spoke with Milosh at Eastporters via email and his response was:

"The only flat-white matte screens you will find are Reference screens. If a screen is not a Reference series screen, it will have hot-spotting/sparkles/sheen/glimmer/texturing, doesn't matter whether EluneVision or another brand. The Titan is no exception, though it has less texturing than other screens that cost anywhere in its price range.

If you want zero hot-spotting/sparkles/sheen/glimmer, in addition to the color accuracy and no pixel degradation, then you'd need to go with a Reference screen:"

So I took a leap of faith and figured, if it didn't work out, I could return the screen if it was another disappointment...

So I pulled the trigger that night and ordered the 120" tab tensioned motorized reference screen... This was at 7pm.

Next day, I saw that it was on a Purolator truck and the second day my wife emailed me and said "It arrived and this thing is freakin' huge!!!"

I got home that evening and must admit, I was pretty nervous. The box was in fact-HUGE! It was around 12 feet long and quite intimidating in a 14 foot wide room.

I un-boxed it "Twice" as it was double boxed with plastic bands for protection. It was really well packaged. Not much more to tell until we temporarily hung it up to watch Avatar that night. So I hooked up my projector on a table, mounted the screen quickly, played with the remote and once the kids went to bed... we sat down with a bowl of popcorn and put the movie in.

And my first reaction??? WOW!!!!!!!

What a beautiful picture!!!!! I was nervous that it would be too big or that the colours would be dull (Afterall, my Panny 900u was washed up according to another sales guy)

There's something about Pandora with all the bright beautiful colours that's absolutely amazing on a 10 foot wide screen in front of you. It was truly amazing. ZERO hotspots. ZERO sparklies. ZERO image defects...

I was absolutely thrilled.

Now, three days later and racking up about 10 hours of viewing (Avatar and the LOTR trilogy) and these are my Pro's and cons.

PRO'S
1. I've never seen a projected picture look this good, even in showrooms for less than $3k. Even at 120" the price gets close to that mark for the tab tensioned screens.

2. The PICTURE!

3. RF remote - no line of sight. and it has a clever little laser pointer built in. Not sure why, but I do find myself playing with the cat while the movie is paused for whatever reason... if that's the reason the laser is in it, absolutely BRILLIANT! Now THAT is a Man remote!

CON'S

To start with, I feel bad about the cons... They really are nitpicking. Stupid little issues that may not even deserve attention.

1. The drop limit setting. The instructions were not the best and I played with the hex screw thing for around an hour before I finally knew what to expect. I just stood there winding and winding and winding... No clue what was happening, if it was broken even... But then you hear these little clicks and think "That sounds promising"

2. Mounting kit comes with these little green drywall plugs. For a wall installation I'm sure they are fine, but for ceiling, I didn't trust them so opted to go to Rona and purchase much stronger plugs. With tabs that held them in place in case of accidental slippage.

So here's the ending to my little tale... I was so skeptical purchasing a screen online sight unseen. I took a leap of faith with Milosh and his recommendation because he sounded like he wasn't trying to pile up a bunch of BS...

Also, 120" is MUCH BIGGER than it sounds! I know, I know... 120" is 10 feet... but still, if you've never purchased a screen it's intimidating. I've got a 55" LCD mounted behind where the screen extends, and must say... 55" is almost pathetic by comparison!!!

Anyways, hope my experience helps anyone who's on the fence. I'm a supporter of companies that provide a great product and manage to do so in such a way that provides exceptional value. The screen seems really well build, the motor appears very strong and cosmetically it looks pretty sharp.

I'd say that Eastporters gets a solid 10/10 over. Pre-sales inquiries were quickly responded to and helpful, delivery was fast, packaging was exceptional and the product is just a blessing! Now it's up to long term usage. If it stops working in 6 months you'll hear about it, but I don't suspect it will. I have no apprehension recommending this screen to anyone!

And one last thing, the drop limit challenges are not really a bad thing. After an hour of playing with it, the realization that you got it to work and that it's not broken is quite the emotional high! EXCELLENT! I don't need to send it back! lol

mandarax

02-29-12, 03:23 AM

Can you get samples of the screen material? Why the leap of faith?

korkster911

02-29-12, 07:22 AM

I'm not sure about sample of screen material... I found out after I ordered and going through some posts here that other manufacturers offer some 2X2 sheets of samples. Unfortunately, I didn't know that ANYONE offered samples.

The leap of faith was for a few reasons.

1. I saw the screen I was looking at was on-sale... My luck, I'd get home, take the measurements and then go back and order and the price was up $300 or whatever it was.

2. I read that some people had problems with the shipping but Eastporters did it right with the return policy. I figured, a little bit of $ lost if I didn't like the screen quality was a worthwhile gamble...

3. The company is in the Toronto area (Canada). I'm an hour drive away and I like knowing that if I need to get something done, I can jump in my car and deal with the issue face-to-face

Fortunately, everything worked out beyond my expectations.

mandarax

02-29-12, 10:20 AM

It would just be ideal for me to get a sample and measure it. The normal eye isnt going to be able to measure ft lamberts for brightness. It also isnt going to be able to see how neutral the screen is. I have seen claims in the past where a screen is this gain,, uniformity is claimed to be xy or z. The shipping is the least of my issues. I would just like to get the samples to test. I have some decent equipment. Maybe the people that are selling it here on the forum can advise what they test their screens with and the environment they were tested.

korkster911

02-29-12, 06:56 PM

The normal eye isnt going to be able to measure ft lamberts for brightness. It also isnt going to be able to see how neutral the screen is.

I'll admit, I'm just looking at the screen by eye. A long time ago I was part of the car audio scene (IASCA level). Tens of thousands of dollars of equipment invested in my car. It got broken into one day, everything stolen ... They alarm killed the starter so they threw all my equipment in civic beside mine and took off with it! Then I replaced it with some cheap(er) stuff. I couldn't go through that again.

The point though is that without the oscilloscopes and waveform monitors (I was NOT an SPL guy, it was about SQ for me) the sound difference to the ear was barely noticeable!

When I used my normal ear, $25k barely made a difference in my car! But I'll tell ya, +- 1.5db from 20hz-20khz looked nice on the monitors! Just made me chuckle a wee bit :)

mandarax

03-01-12, 07:51 AM

I'll admit, I'm just looking at the screen by eye. A long time ago I was part of the car audio scene (IASCA level). Tens of thousands of dollars of equipment invested in my car. It got broken into one day, everything stolen ... They alarm killed the starter so they threw all my equipment in civic beside mine and took off with it! Then I replaced it with some cheap(er) stuff. I couldn't go through that again.

The point though is that without the oscilloscopes and waveform monitors (I was NOT an SPL guy, it was about SQ for me) the sound difference to the ear was barely noticeable!

When I used my normal ear, $25k barely made a difference in my car! But I'll tell ya, +- 1.5db from 20hz-20khz looked nice on the monitors! Just made me chuckle a wee bit :)

I did an event for screens a few years ago. We actually did two. First one we did not tell people what to look for, the second one the video clips were highlighted to show what to look for. When educated most people got it right and could easily tell the difference. A good trained eye is just as good in my view as any instrument. If an instrument goes beyond the human eye then it really becomes redundant. A good projector on a bad screen is still going to look bad. If you cannot sample and test it is usually an indication that it is a mess. If it is good people encourage you to test it. Think Joe Kane would not want you to test his screen?

korkster911

03-01-12, 08:06 AM

psgcdn

03-01-12, 04:13 PM

Anyone have pics of a ceiling mounted electric Reference?
I'd like to plan out my layout...

mandarax

03-03-12, 07:47 AM

Fair enough... Either way, when I was in showrooms, I was never impressed for under $3k - my white painted wall worked perfectly fine for my needs. With the Elinevision screen, it's half the price as the others and seems to provide exceptional value. $3k for something I like vs. $1500 for something I like... I'll take the $1500 version!

Sounds like you like the 1500 in your pocket. If you found white paint acceptable maybe it's possible that your screen is marginally better only with waves in time. Or that the paint was better.

korkster911

03-03-12, 03:58 PM

Sounds like you like the 1500 in your pocket. If you found white paint acceptable maybe it's possible that your screen is marginally better only with waves in time. Or that the paint was better.

HA! $1500 doesn't stay in my pocket. That money saved goes toward on of my girls RESP's (one of the perks of being a dad).

However, I do want to qualify one aspect of my perception.

For the last decade, I've worked in the film industry. I'm educated and trained to work on Quantel IQ's ($million dollar 2/4k compositing systems) and Pablo's and have worked in the film industry as a colourist and post production colour correcter on Avid Symphony's. Credits include some Hollywood blockbusters.

I've spent enough time in screening rooms to know what looks good and what doesn't. And while I can't speak to durability and longevity of the screen, I can assure you that I know a thing or two about a good visual picture.

Is it perfect? Of course not... But I struggle with the Panny black as an LCD, but truthfully, an 80" calibrated picture on flat white paint, after proper colour correction is decent enough to sit back and say... "I think I can spend $3k more efficiently." Remember, I indicated my reasoning for going to a motorized screen was to be able to retract it when not in use rather than be a big "drawing board" for the kids.

Anyways, my only point was that the picture quality of the screen is excellent. Longevity and durability, I can't speak to.

However, if in 3-5 years the screen starts to buckle or wave, I'll be some pissed!!! Hopefully, the tension adjustments will help to combat that effect.

mandarax

03-03-12, 07:00 PM

Well I guess then it would be a good thing to test it huh.

psgcdn

03-09-12, 01:22 PM

Anyone have pics of a ceiling mounted electric Reference?
I'd like to plan out my layout...

Anyone? :(

miloshj

03-09-12, 03:06 PM

Anyone? :(

http://www.elunevision.com/ref-tab/f6.jpg

Essentially, how it works is that you attach those two ceiling mounts (that come with the screen) to either the ceiling or the wall with screws. You space them apart and at the same height, and then clip the screen to the mounts.

If you have any specific questions that the above didn't answer, feel free to use the "Contact Us" page on Eastporters.com, and your inquiries will definitely be answered promptly.

Milosh

psgcdn

03-09-12, 05:53 PM

http://www.elunevision.com/ref-tab/f6.jpg

Essentially, how it works is that you attach those two ceiling mounts (that come with the screen) to either the ceiling or the wall with screws. You space them apart and at the same height, and then clip the screen to the mounts.

If you have any specific questions that the above didn't answer, feel free to use the "Contact Us" page on Eastporters.com, and your inquiries will definitely be answered promptly.

Milosh

Thanks Milosh! That's great! No need to plan to extra width in the box I'll build the inset that will flush mount the screen with the suspended ceiling. Nice!

crazyravr

03-09-12, 10:35 PM

Well what do you know. I had time and could not help myself haha :)

http://crazyravr.smugmug.com/photos/i-f9Kj2LH/0/L/i-f9Kj2LH-S.jpg

Elunevision 130" 2.35 reference.

http://crazyravr.smugmug.com/photos/i-mH9b7kD/0/L/i-mH9b7kD-S.jpg

Me likey... A LOT :D but was it ever a pain in the arse to stretch AND hang.

miloshj

03-10-12, 11:09 AM

Well what do you know. I had time and could not help myself haha

Wow! Room is looking very professional and wonderful! Would love to see some different photos and angles once all the toys are plugged in and the furniture arrives :)

Milosh

crazyravr

03-10-12, 01:04 PM

Wow! Room is looking very professional and wonderful! Would love to see some different photos and angles once all the toys are plugged in and the furniture arrives :)

Milosh

http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=tomek

Just go here every now and then.

dfrankdfrank

03-13-12, 09:22 PM

It took a few weeks but my 100" Reference Gray Tab-Tensioned screen arrived. It only took me 18 months of hand-wringing to decide on a projector (ended up with the Epson 6500 refurbished deal that Visual Apex ran earlier this year) and a screen for my nondedicated home theater room. I ended up going with the gray since I can't totally remove the ambient light in my living room during the day and the white samples I got from other manufacturers didn't do it for me.

Anyway the lame part is I have to wait until Saturday to install. However I can say the product was packaged well.

yyuksel

03-20-12, 07:17 AM

I recently bought an Optoma HD33. I'm very happy with this projector and its 3D abilities. My screen is the current issue.

I've had my screen for quite some time now. It was originally bought from Eastporters. It is a fixed frame gray screen.

I have been looking at the reference screens at Eastporters. My current screen is 120" and I see the one they have is 115". Which one would be the better option for me, white reference or the gray reference given the projector I have. I do enjoy 3D a lot and do watch many regular bluray movies as well. I also play my PS3 on there.

I live in Mississauga, ontario near QEW and Whinstonchurchill. I was wondering if there is anyone near me with the screens in question so that I can see the image on them.

$1199 plus tax is quite a bit of money to spend blindly.

tqn

03-20-12, 11:47 AM

miloshj

03-20-12, 02:49 PM

miloshj

03-20-12, 02:52 PM

Keep in mind if you already purchased a non-Reference screen from a while back, you are eligible for an upgrade price, which most of the time is 100% of the price of your old screen (and you don't need to return the old screen).

For info on the upgrade program or to get the store location and see the screens in action, you can go to Eastporters, and use the Contact page if you have any further questions.

Milosh

mandarax

03-20-12, 04:59 PM

Eastporters isnt that the place I read all the warnings from manufacturers about??

yyuksel

03-20-12, 08:45 PM

What is the issue/problem with your current grey screen? What in particular are you hoping to achieve with a new screen?

I would like to get rid of the texture of the screen that is visible. I would like to ensure I reduce crosstalk as much as possible and possibly get more brightness than I currently have for my 3D viewing.

I hear the sharpness of the reference screens are fantastic.

yyuksel

03-20-12, 08:46 PM

I would suggest coming to the Eastporters store demo room in Hamilton, where you can see the different materials, etc. That's a fairly short drive.

Can you give me the address to the demo room?

zuluwalker

03-20-12, 11:22 PM

Eastporters isnt that the place I read all the warnings from manufacturers about??

They are very worried about such a good quality screen at such reasonable prices. They need to scare people. I have recommended dozens of my customers to them...NO issues. And anything requiring assistance was promptly attended to. This company is a solid real deal.

mandarax

03-21-12, 01:11 AM

They are very worried about such a good quality screen at such reasonable prices. They need to scare people. I have recommended dozens of my customers to them...NO issues. And anything requiring assistance was promptly attended to. This company is a solid real deal.

Then why all the warnings from manufacturers?

No response for a screen sample.

why would a projector company give a warning due to the screen?

I called one day and they said the projector they were selling was a full manufacturer warranty and the manufacturer had a warning that they did not have warranty on any projectors sold by eastporters.

That sure isn't my standard of a solid company.

zuluwalker

03-21-12, 12:50 PM

That is true. Those are the facts. I read that same warning too. Local dealers who are official dealers don't run into that kind of warning.

With regards to the screens though, I have seen Elunevision screens repeatedly deliver a high quality screen that is simply hard to match at the price. The new reference screen is very exciting, and a solid technology.

If you have run into issues with asking for a sample, that is unfortunate. And it might be something has be looked at from a corporate perspective as needing change. Though, I can safely tell you I have seen these screens and the after sale support; I am very pleased with those results.

mandarax

03-21-12, 07:57 PM

No Thanks... I would rather deal with a company that does not have to resort to lying about their products they sell and have manufacturers go out of their way to report warnings.. This is usually prefaced by sending someone warnings. This company says screw them I am going to lie to people and keep selling product and telling people they have a manufacturer warranty.

miloshj

03-21-12, 08:42 PM

If you have run into issues with asking for a sample, that is unfortunate. And it might be something has be looked at from a corporate perspective as needing change. Though, I can safely tell you I have seen these screens and the after sale support; I am very pleased with those results.

To Zuluwalker, and the rest of our customers (and potential customers), I will address his allegations one last time. First, I would ask everyone to, in summary, ignore him, and not reply to what amounts to nothing more but his thread-crapping. Why I ask this is the following:

1. Searching through his history of posts on this site, it's easy to see that mandarax is not a potential customer, he is a direct competitor. He sells Da-Lite screens and projectors, calibrates projectors, and makes money, directly competing against Eastporters/EluneVision. The more we sell, the less potential customers he has. He is trying to make EluneVision and Eastporters look bad.

I am a dealer in ontario ontario.
Post #3688 clearly shows he is a Da-Lite dealer. Da-Lite is a direct competitor of EluneVision. Da-Lite and Stewart are the two companies we compete most with, giving users very close performance for a much lower price. Clearly, a Da-Lite dealer would have a problem with a lower-cost, high-performance alternative.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21731556#post21731556

the last time I calibrated a Runco TV I peeled the Runco sticker off the set and showed my customer what it really was
Post #89 clearly shows he is paid to calibrate people's projectors, and by extension, an installer/dealer
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21778472#post21778472

There are dozens more examples showing he is a direct competitor, and he would greatly benefit from Eastporters/EluneVision not existing. I would submit that he has a problem with said two companies because they provide better projector prices than his products can compete with.

He wouldn't buy from us? He's worried about something? I mean, let's all be serious, Dave and I have known for a long time that he has been thread-crapping and that he is a direct competitor to us, but we were trying to take the high-road in the hopes that he will grow up and compete, instead he just keeps reappearing, pretending that he is a potential customer.

He is nothing more than a "troll" on this thread. This thread is for customers/potential customers to discuss/ask questions about EluneVision screens, not competing companies/dealers who want to stir things up. It's unfortunate that he decided to do this. We will certainly not stoop down to his level. If anything, him being here is a testiment to the excellent value EluneVision brings to customers, if Da-Lite dealers are taking note and trying to discredit us. Fortunately, I think people are too smart to fall for one direct competitor bad-mouthing us, whereas there are hundreds of satisfied customers talking praises.

2. "Eastporters isnt that the place I read all the warnings from manufacturers about??"

On a personal note, I like how he asks this question as if he is some naive new customer trying to figure out where to purchase equipment - when it's clear from the body of evidence he's a dealer and a direct competitor who would have no desire to buy equipment from us at all.

Onwards...yes, Eastporters is not an authorized dealer of Epson products, and this is not something we have ever hidden. In fact, I wrote in depth as to why back in 2011 on this very thread (you can read it on page 23, post #678), but to summarize, it is because we want to have the freedom to sell you Epson products for a reasonable price:

-Eastporters will not become an authorized dealer for companies that require us to have a minimum price, or place obstacles as far as to which customers we can sell to (this is essentially thinly veiled price-fixing, is illegal, and is a large part of why electronics in the United States cost much less than in Canada. Don't let manufacturers convince you it simply costs more to do business in Canada than in the U.S., the fact that Eastporters sells projectors for less than others in Canada do should be sufficient proof that this is not true.)
-Eastporters will instead be non-authorized dealers for these products, and will cover all of the warranty work, just like the manufacturer does, in order to give you, the customer, the best price possible. This is all very legal. The only thing we were asked by one manufacturer was to not use their copyrighted photos, because that would have been infringement. We complied with this request.
-Eastporters will continue to beat out authorized dealers, who all willingly agree to keep the prices arbitrarily high, and in many cases, not post what they sell it for on their websites. This makes them more money, and makes the manufacturer more money. Eastporters feels ok making less money per unit than these dealers do, and will continue to provide the customer with the best prices.
-Eastporters matches the warranty that the manufacturer would otherwise give. Broken 3010s, 8350s, 8700UBs, AE4000s, etc have happened, and each time, Eastporters has fixed the projector for the customer with no issues. Our high ratings on this thread, and various other sites, are a testament of our service. He can state his opinions, but he is one extremely biased voice amongst hundreds of satisfied customers who have paid for our products and been extremely happy

In closing, we understand that our business model clearly causes a stir with competitors, and obviously some people that compete with us don't have love for us. EluneVision's factory-direct, in-house screen design offers quality screens at amazing prices to the CUSTOMER. In the end, it's the customer that benefits, and unless the customers didn't love our products, we would not be growing as fast as we do.

We expanded our line further with the AudioWeave screen earlier this year, and as with all our screens, we know we have a price/performance ratio nobody can touch. We will be coming out with some more wonderful products for which customers tell us they do not want to spend $2500+ on, as they would if they bought now from the big-name screen companies.

Just like with our other products, we are going to match the performance of these competing products, but they will not be coming close to matching our prices. Our competitors are not happy, and will continue not to be happy, that I can guarantee you. We don't care about our competitors - they are not our customers. We only care about our customers, and if you are our customers, I assure you, you will be very happy with your purchase. Let this thread, all our overwhelmingly positive customer feed back and, yes, the trolling of our direct competitor on this thread, be a testament to this fact.

Lastly, I will not be addressing mandarax's comments again, as he is very clearly a troll and a direct-competitor, as proven by his other posts on this forum. He would stand to benefit greatly from EluneVision not existing, but I can assure him that with month after month of growth, our continued iron-clad customer service and our low prices, that is wishful thinking.

I anticipate he is going to continue to troll, try to brush the evidence off, or try to probably explain things away, try to maybe claim he is in fact an interested customer and not a dealer. But from his dozens of posts on other forums, two very clear ones as an example, it's clear he has no intention of buying an EluneVision screen, just simply talking negatively about it, most likely because he cannot compete. Now that everyone knows he is a competitor, I think it says just about all it should about his 'opinions', and explains why he seems to pop up every once in a while with seemingly random and always negative things to say, while actual customers overwhelmingly say amazing things about us.

Milosh

zuluwalker

03-21-12, 11:59 PM

Thanks Milosh! I didn't see I was being sucked in.

Best wishes!

mandarax

03-22-12, 04:44 AM

I never stated I was a customer. I did phone though and was misrepresented products and product warranty as it being a manufacturer warranty. How long someone gets away with selling blackmarket projectors claimed as data projectors is beyond me. Since you are opening shop here on AVS why not pay for advertising.

Is the screen good? You obviously have no problem importing black market goods. At least declare them properly. AVS sells Epson projectors.

Admitting you are a blackmarket dealer shouldn't impress anyone.

Newsreel... Anyone can sell cheap brands from China. There are two additional brands coming and being introduced this month. Probably more that I haven't heard from.
What's the big deal?

The website does not advertise the products you sell as black market. When people have called they are told it is a full manufacturer warranty. So the only people being sucked in are your customers. This is called misrepresentation.

I never stated I was a customer. You sound really angry to have to deal with your own story. Even the distributor for Epson has their own brand of screen that they have from China and competes with no problem.

Btw anyone could also import projectors from Mexico or Asia , misclassify them and get into the blackmarket. It's not really that special. I am a dealer but please don't call me a competitor. I don't set up a shop or compete with AVS, or sell gear that had bad alignment or other issues that ends up as black market goods.

You know me from searching on this forum which I only frequent seldomly anymore. I know you from customers that tried eastporters and unknowingly found out you were misrepresenting the product they purchased. When I called I was also being represented and I have that call.

That misrepresentation is grounds for reversing a transaction and voiding a sale in Canada or the USA.

I don't want customers that go to a black market dealer.

No legitimate dealer is scared, or threatened by a black market dealer, we just get sick of cleaning up the mess. A screen is part of the projection system so a good dealer is never going to sell a bad screen. If someone is trying to feed you a line that this screen is soo much better than another he sold you prior then it stands to reason that they really didn't care too much about selling you a piece of crappie in the first place.

Buyer beware..lol... Funny that you had to be warned that I do calibrations and other things in the industry and therefore know more than joe shmo about this. No way would someone want to give a sample to anyone as it might get tested. When you see that people I suggest you run.

Since da-lite seemed to be used in a derogatory way by black market milosh, you gotta ask yourself... Has the traditional matte white screen changed in 30 years? Why then do you have iterations of this Chinese products where one is so much better?

Maybe for those that don't remember in relation to screens I did as far as 10 years ago shootouts for AVS members and had over 100 people from AVS to look at a variety of screens. Carada screens was an example of a screen I had at the event both times and did not obviously have anything vested in that product. With that many participants they all reported what they saw and helped out fellow AVS people with their comments. We also allowed diy at those events and I put together three frames to show people how to do both spraying and putting together a system on a budget and also the shortcomings and advantages of each. There was absolutely nothing sold at the event. So you see some of us are not just after a buck or throwing out a product at anytime that doesn't provide fidelity or is being misrepresented.

Carada did quite well at the event and I believe they now advertise here. You are just a black market guy setting up a tent here. In my view its just an insult to the owners of this site as black marketing is an insult to the manufacturers of the products you sell, and an insult to the people that look at your website or phone and are told that you provide a manufacturer warranty and are an authorized dealer. If I had called and you stated that you were not a manufacturer authorized dealer I would not have sold to that customer.

constp

03-22-12, 04:32 PM

-Eastporters will not become an authorized dealer for companies that require us to have a minimum price, or place obstacles as far as to which customers we can sell to (this is essentially thinly veiled price-fixing, is illegal, and is a large part of why electronics in the United States cost much less than in Canada.
Milosh

I fail to see how a company setting a price for its products amounts to price fixing. Multiple companies doing it for the same product, yes.

mandarax

03-23-12, 03:48 AM

Actually all companies have a minimum price in the USA and Canada. We can sell it for whatever we want. We just can't advertise it on the Internet below a certain price. Most everyone respects the manufacturer. But no one can stop you from transacting at any price you want. That is what would be illegal. If a company sets pricing for internet sales and a dealer ignores it that is just being disrespectful to your business partner.

Just more bs in an attempt to quantify being a black market business. You get the picture, say anything and do anything to make black market sound noble and honorable.

psgcdn

03-23-12, 03:34 PM

I vote my my dollars... for eastporters.

BigM555

03-24-12, 12:07 AM

Throwing around terms like "blackmarket" just seems like yet another desperate attempt to discredit Eastporters. At worst they may be considered a GREY market dealer for Epson projectors. Black suggests illegal while grey simply suggests unsanctioned. If you are truly that concerned about spending additional money through "official" channels by all means feel free to do so.

If however you would like to save a pile of money and receive great customer service, or heck, maybe you want to purchase a different brand for which Eastporters ARE authorized Canadian dealers, I would suggest you give Dave or Milosh a call. I know I would certainly do so again.

mandarax

03-24-12, 09:44 AM

They were bringing in more then epsons in to north america? Yes or no?

When people call and are told they are authorized by Epson then that is black, dark Grey, purple,. I don't care what color you call it but a red flag should go off.

I know I am just the bad dealer that never was hiding it trying to get someone to tell their customers the truth. Do you see on their website that they are not a dealer? Nah I am sticking with black. Is it just the manufacturers that post warnings that are being admitted?

You can believe what you want. Did the black market guy get angry for someone posting the truth? If you answer yes then you have to ask yourself why. When you come through that rabbit hole greyer. When you see that he sells Grey market goods in north America deeper the hole gets. When you see the tent parked at AVS who sell the same product as a legit dealer.. Grey turns to black and if you think it's all peachy I respect your opinion but I do not share it. Call it whatever shade of Grey you want. If he is an authorized dealer of the brands each has a map price. He calls it illegal. So he also disrespects everyone he partners with as well as lying blatantly what is legal and illegal.

The people that want to go down that Grey hole will be coming up with no end of bs to quantify they are white and everyone else is black or Grey. Not too uncommon and you certainly have that here.

enoga

03-24-12, 09:56 AM

Can you stop this mandarax? I'm another very satisfied customer with their products and I think you should leave this thread if you're not interested in buying or support, let us make our own decisions. They've done great by me.

TheaterChad

03-24-12, 11:34 AM

For all of your viewing pleasure, you will find 131 reviews over 5 years time frame (http://www.projectorcentral.com/dealer_ratings.cfm?dealer_id=8818) 4.7 out of a total of 5 star rating.

I think we would have seen at that site I linked, with actual proof of denail of any warranty issues and or any owners not being allowed to register any products purchased from Eastporters in 5 years, I think mandarax's previous posts deserve serious infractions, and your future posts should be taken with serious caution!

I have received nothing but the most professional response from Milosh and DaveHao, especially Dave, he has helped me with many many e-mails with regards to my inquiry of a EluneVision reverence electric screen, trying to decide between a gray or white reference screen, I even received a recommendation from a friend that lives close to me to seriously consider Eastpoters. I can not afford the most expensive option that's available that I'm searching for, and EluneVision has an affordable option for me, and that's who I will be buying from in the near future.

psgcdn

03-24-12, 04:42 PM

and that's who I will be buying from in the near future.
Same here... Just waiting for the 16:9 120 inch electric AT to come-in in two weeks.

markrubin

03-26-12, 02:41 PM

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TheaterChad

03-29-12, 09:03 AM

miloshj

03-29-12, 02:34 PM

As we were, what issues are you having with your screen? Would be great to help out with more info..

He lives about 20 minutes away from the demo-room, so as I've said, I think seeing it in person and comparing any EluneVision screens is definitely the best way to go as far as figuring out white vs gray, seeing the performance with his own eyes compared to the performance of his current screen, etc.

TheaterChad

04-08-12, 01:47 PM

Same here... Just waiting for the 16:9 120 inch electric AT to come-in in two weeks.

PSGCDN: Have you received your screen yet? Would love to hear your feedback / impressions on your screen.

Well, I finally have my Panasonic AE4000U projector, and will be deciding on a new electric reference tabbed screen, just getting down to final dimensions as for screen width, and screen type, as I'm in between deciding Reference cine-white vs reference cine-grey, I have helped a few local avs members local to me go through the trails of which one is best, and right now, I'm changing some of my room colors to matte / dark browns to go with the cine-white screen, if not, the more brighter ambient, reflective room would constitute the cine-grey material, I will be contacting DaveHao in the next week or so.

psgcdn

04-09-12, 02:34 PM

It's supposed to be shipped tomorrow, so maybe in a week or so.

psgcdn

04-12-12, 05:01 PM

Shipped today, I'll post a review when I get it. (120" 16x9 Tab Tension AudioWeave)

TheaterChad

04-13-12, 02:09 PM

Shipped today, I'll post a review when I get it. (120" 16x9 Tab Tension AudioWeave)

Sounds Great! My Panasonic AE4000U projector was just delivered, and trying it out on the light gray walls in my living room, will be looking forward to your first impressions and review, I still have some work to do running cables and some wires since I changed my mind after my family room build was pretty much done, and I tried telling myself, no I won't give in and buy a projector! Doh.....

psgcdn

04-14-12, 09:47 AM

Nice projector! That was my choice PJ if I went with a scope screen, with it's auto lens shift. But I decided to go simple with 16x9 and got a great deal on a BenQ W6000.

psgcdn

04-16-12, 05:08 PM

The screen has no installation instructions that I could find. Is it so trivial as to not need any?

psgcdn

04-16-12, 05:51 PM

They emailed me the PDF link to the manual. :-)

TheaterChad

04-29-12, 02:44 PM

Nice projector! That was my choice PJ if I went with a scope screen, with it's auto lens shift. But I decided to go simple with 16x9 and got a great deal on a BenQ W6000.

Thanks, I found a great deal on one, with only 150 hours, and still 1.5 years of remaining waranty, so I gave in and bought it, I wanted the auto lens shift and scope set-up.

They emailed me the PDF link to the manual. :-)

Well Bummer on not having the install instructions in the box, it's a drag on the anticipation of receiving such a new screen, and then not to have any instructions, just puts more of a wait on the adventure.....Oh well, it happens...

Now that you've had a week or so, where are you with your screen? Hopefully you have had time to play around ???

I'm next in-line to be layed off at my job, so for now I'm waiting it out, or I'd already have ordered a screen from Dave Hao, I still need a new Onkyo receiver, and some theater seating.......

Looking forward to your first impressions / review, thanks!

psgcdn

04-29-12, 04:30 PM

Yeah, I know I promised a full review... I'll get around to it soon, but I love it!

jcdennis

05-01-12, 06:30 AM

I was looking at getting the "HP equivalent" 2.4 screen so asked about pricing yesterday. They advised that the material "was discontinued" and that people were getting the grey 1.8 gain material instead.

I know folks in the 3k and up forum seem to love the da-lite HP screen... was the EluneVision HP material worse/different?

Given the price, and reviews of other screens I'm half tempted to give it a shot, but would love thoughts from anyone who might have actually put one to use.

Anyone with experience with the grey 1.8 gain material in a light controlled theater, with both 2D and 3D????

saskroadie

05-01-12, 09:19 AM

jcdennis

05-01-12, 09:44 AM

TheaterChad

05-01-12, 09:56 AM

I Had the 106" 1.8 gain grey screen in a light controlled room (in my basement). Projector was ceiling mounted at 7' and I sat right under it. Whilst standing, the picture had so much POP that in 2D it appeared three dimensional. Big drop off while sitting though, and worse sitting on either side of the couch (not directly under the projector). If it didn't look so good when I stood, I probably would have kept it, but as a result I took it back immediately.

How did you decide to watch a 106" screen at only 7 feet? After playing around with my AE-4000U, I would not even consider such a short distance, but maybe that's just me....

I've read on many of the projectors threads that people that did not have the best distance for a projector, did it any ways, and had this exact conclusion, rather having a minimum distance per screen size, but also having the right fabric for the room enviornment is also another key factor

Something is not exactly correct in the last 2 posts here:

Any screen with a higher gain number is for well lit, bright ambient rooms with light issues, when your using a 1.8 gain grey screen, with a dark room, it's not the correct screen to be using, especially " jcdennis " question of a high power 2.4 grain screen, should be for a main level room with lot's of light in the room, a room with dimmers and shades or blinds to control the rooms ambient lighting would work fine with a 1.0 gain screen....

jcdennis

05-01-12, 10:07 AM

I believe the 7’ being noted is the height of the projector from the floor.
Hence the comment on standing up making it “better”.
The reason I’m considering a HP 2.4 screen is the numerous comments in the 3k and up forum regarding it as a great choice, especially where 3D is concerned. I have a Sony es30, and I can turn down the iris for 2D, and open it up for 3D and keep high degree of “pop”…. Or at least that’s what I’ve understood from what I’ve read.
I’m not looking to combat ambient light, just have “pop” in both 2D and 3D.

saskroadie

05-01-12, 04:20 PM

TheaterChad

05-01-12, 10:34 PM

Ya........sorry..... 7' high ceiling. Sitting distance was about 13' or so. If I had the opportunity to do it again I would have the projector drop a couple of feet or so, then retract back up when not in use. From that screen I went with the 1.1 gain grey screen, and from there I went with a 1.2 white screen. All Elunevision. I appear to have a constant internal struggle with brightness/contrast/black level :p I have bought a Black Diamond .8 (version II) that will go in this weekend and we will see how that does. I'm sure my brightness is going to be effected but if I like what I see I am prepared to make changes around it.....
Slippery slope this Home theater business is I tell ya!!!

BINGO my friend, bingo!

13' sitting distance sounds better:D, this is exactly the story that many have had to go through, try and see, try and see something else until you like the image....

I'm glad a local AVS member invited me out to his place and he had a very bright ambient room, but lights were controlled with dimmers, and drapes covered windows, but white ceiling, and medium green walls with a shine of reflectivity, and carpet, he showed me his white screen ( sorry it was a different brand ) and how much the ambient light washed out the image, then we changed his screen to a cine-grey screen, it was night and day better, the black levels were the best with the grey screen, and made for better image quality....

I may be confused about the gain numbers, but it would sound about right about trying the 2.4 screen for more pop, it's a big mess as if you watched the Dark Knight, it has a lot of dark scenes, some other movies are very bright, so hopefully you find a happy medium with both....

verkion

05-03-12, 02:10 PM

<EDIT>
I wanted to add that Eastporters has been tremendously helpful and responsive which I neglected to note in my original post.
</EDIT>

Thanks!
verkion

psgcdn

05-03-12, 05:21 PM

Shipped today, I'll post a review when I get it. (120" 16x9 Tab Tension AudioWeave)

Review of 12" 16x9 Reference Tab Tension AudioWeave

I have had this screen for a few weeks now. Here's a short review.

Communication with Eastporters is exceptional. Nothing negative to say
here!

Packing: The hugely long box came double-boxed to resist shipping damage.
It was easy to get into the basement through a Window. I helped the
Purolator guy get it into the house. Suggestion: The box could indicate
"this side towards projector" so that you know which way to unpack before
you do so. I was lucky.

Installation: The screen hangs on two brackets, not unlike kitchen
cabinets. Screw the brackets level either to the ceiling or wall (I put
mine up on the floor joists) and simply hang the screen (after
removing a few shipping brackets that secure the assembly together), slide
it side-by-side to center, and secure by tightening a set screw. Easy as
pie.

Fit and finish: Very nice! Looks more sturdy and heavier than I thought it
would. Down side: the AC plug connects in after raising a small panel on
the right side of the screen assembly, which will then stay raised all the
time. I wish it weren't there at all since it's not like we can't NOT plug
it in.

To lower it, a remote-control is supplied. There's a RJ45-to-serial
connector provided; not too sure why. A wireless trigger is optional but I
a hardwire trigger is not included. It would have been a nice touch.

I lowered the screen... Nice smooth motion. Easy to adjust where it stops
by turns of a provided tool.

There was no tension at all on the screen, so I used the provided Allen key
to put some on. I am unsure how much is needed. There are very faint
waves in the screen, which I gather are not supposed to be there: People
tell me it should be perfectly flat. Dave said he would replace the screen
when he got the next batch. Honestly, I am of mixed minds about it. I
want to have a perfect screen for years to come, but the waves have such
small amplitude that they have not once been apparent with projected
material.

How does it sound? I guess I should try to listen to something while I
lower the screen to listen for a difference, but to me the hidden speaker
sounds the same as when the screen is up. Perfect!

How does it look? Bear in mind that this is my first projector (BenQ W6000
in a fully light-controlled room) and that I projected onto a king-sized
bed sheet for 3 months before I got the screen... But it looks fantastic!
The image pops like a huge plasma. It is completely uniform; no hot spots
at all. Colours look amazing. Perforations don't come at a cost of loss
of detail to my eye.

Picture below taken without pausing the player...

http://community.klipsch.com/forums/storage/5/1727307/dsc_11317r.jpg

Love the look in my system (electric cord no longer there; I added an outlet in the ceiling. Still have to box in the screen and put up a dark suspended ceiling):

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-zyRzqc8quWc/T5AKCRuP29I/AAAAAAAAAW8/10rGuE9rlxY/s1000/dsc_11335cr2.jpg