This is a thread I created where we can discuss the new Sony S2000 LCD TVs. Intending to replace the A10-series, the new S2000-series comes in four different sizes to satisfy every consumer's needs: 26", 32", 40", and 46" with models KDL-26S2000, KDL-32S2000, KDL-40S2000, and KDL-46S2000 respectively.

The new S-series includes an integrated (built-in) ATSC digital tuner and 1,366 x 768 LCD screen resolution. It comes with Sony's new digital processor chip to reduce "block noise" around letters, such as on-screen graphics and subtitles and enhances contrast, therefore, producing crisp and vivid images. The chip also automatically adjusts greens and blues for truer and brighter colors.

The new S-series incorporates Sony's panel made by S-LCD, which provides wider viewing angles, a faster response time, and a high contrast ratio (1000:1). The S2000 sets also offer flexible connectivity with one HDMI input, two component video inputs, three composite video inputs, and one PC input. Finally, the S2000 sets include a space-saving bottom speaker design, two 10-watt speakers with SRS Tru Surround XT™, and VESA compliant mounting holes.

The new KDL-26S2000, KDL-32S2000, KDL-40S2000 will be available in March for about $1,499.99, $1,999.99, and $2,999.99 respectively. The KDL-46S2000 will be available in May for about $4,500.

Own one of these new models and want to share it, post it here. Planning to purchase one or have some questions, post it here. As of right now, I will be purchasing the KDL-32S2000 immediately when it first arrives in stores. Can't wait...

What are the differences between these models and XBR's, which retail for quite a bit more?

XBR is still the top of sony's LCD. For sony, XBR means highest quality, XBR product usually discontinue before it's outperformed by non-XBR product. Once it's discontinue, there will be a new XBR.

S-series will replace sony's KLV-S32A10 and KLV-S26A10 with same price but upgraded performance.

For the difference between S-series and XBR, refer to sony's website.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=tv_hdtv_flatpanel_26%22to42%22&Dept=tvvideo

Why don't you wait until you actually get and use the TV so you can speak with some intelligence about it, instead of guessing and speculating?

I've already got an S2000. It's a little big for the living room though....


ron

We're adding a new master suite to our house and we just got the architect plans. I was hoping for space for a 42" plasma, but it looks like I'm going to have to settle for a 26" (or similar set). These new Sony's look nice. Will keep an eye out on this thread to see what people think.....

What size is it? Where did you buy it from? From what I see here, none of the retailers in my area has the S2000 yet. How do you like it and how's the picture quality?

I'm betting he got it from a Honda dealer......

What size is it? Where did you buy it from? From what I see here, none of the retailers in my area has the S2000 yet. How do you like it and how's the picture quality?It's about 162" and I got it from a local dealer a couple years ago. I love it. It's piano (er, Berlina) black and it looks great in pictures!


ron

I know someone posted a few weeks ago that he'd already ordered the 40" from Sony's site.

damn it!! , i was about to buy a 40" A10 here in mexico this is the deal:

the SonyStyle webpage from mexico offers the 40" A10 before tax in aprox $$$$ USD
and with 12 months no-interest payments of $$$ +tax.
This is a nice price compared to sonystyle canada that sells the same model in about the same price.

So i was going to go for that TV. but i was a little worried about the panel latency.
Then yesterday i saw this Sony new Bravias coming to USA.
I think im going to wait to this new model to be available in amazon, and Im going to Get it!! so im no more worried about the latency of this new panel.
The bad news is that im going to pay more of the cost of this new panels in credit card interests, hehehe. Im not going to wait for this panel to be available in mexico it can take too long, and the XBR model is ÜBER expensive.. like $$$$ USD!! for the 40 inch!! :(

Im looking forward to read your reviews on this new panel, im almost sure they will be very nice.

damn it!! , i was about to buy a 40" A10 here in mexico this is the deal:

the SonyStyle webpage from mexico offers the 40" A10 before tax in aprox $$$$ USD
and with 12 months no-interest payments of $$$ +tax.
This is a nice price compared to sonystyle canada that sells the same model in about the same price.

So i was going to go for that TV. but i was a little worried about the panel latency.
Then yesterday i saw this Sony new Bravias coming to USA.
I think im going to wait to this new model to be available in amazon, and Im going to Get it!! so im no more worried about the latency of this new panel.
The bad news is that im going to pay more of the cost of this new panels in credit card interests, hehehe. Im not going to wait for this panel to be available in mexico it can take too long, and the XBR model is ÜBER expensive.. like $$$$ USD!! for the 40 inch!! :(

Im looking forward to read your reviews on this new panel, im almost sure they will be very nice.


why Edit??
Hey, I did Put the MSRP of sonystyle from Mexico. !!

I was going to return my a10 but the latency isn't a problem for me , and the deal i got is awsome

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7230357#post7230357

as far as the original poster is concerned, apparently having it made in Japan is more important than having the better product

as he/she is considering buying a S model and returning their XBR.

You are right on this one. My goal is to get the very very last Made in Japan one, not the number of features the TV has. Sorry for spoiling this thread. I won't come back to this thread anymore and will move myself to the "OFFICIAL SONY 26", 32", 40", and 46" S2000 Bravia LCD HDTV Thread" that I created two days ago:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=650533


Pure nonsense and absurdity. Lunacy! Hell, at least he's stopped the lying and actually admits to the craziness upfront.

I almost wonder if this "Japanese" thing we see getting harped on by at least one individual could be construed as some kind of bizarre...racist issue? Certainly some kind of bizarre, imaginary elitism, at the very least.


Maybe there's some bizarre "Japanese jingoism" at work here, if that term can even be used like that.

I've never seen anything so ridiculous and irrational...wait a minute...I'm talking about Walt Chan. Nevermind. Par for the course. S.S.D.D.

He doesn't care about anything else except that it's made in Japan. Period. That's all that's at work here, if even that.

I've already got an S2000. It's a little big for the living room though....


ron

haha being a car nut, maybe im the only one who knows what he's talking about

haha being a car nut, maybe im the only one who knows what he's talking aboutYou are not alone. :cool:

Make note, meanwhile, that my two BMWs are parked out front, while my B&Ws are parked in the den.

can't wait until the new XBRs come out!

It's about 162" and I got it from a local dealer a couple years ago. I love it. It's piano (er, Berlina) black and it looks great in pictures!

I raced one of these in my Firebird (Trans Am/Formula)
and man they are quick, just not quick enough

Does anyone know if the new Sony KDL S2000 comes with CableCard slot or not? Is the new Sony 1-bit processor chip any better than the XBR chip?

no cable card, you posted the manual though so why don't you read it yourself

anyways whats the point of this topic, speculation? the TV is not available yet
so why not at least wait until you "own" the TV, before starting an official topic

good luck Walter "the Stalker" Chan

Has there been a 46" XBR announced?

I've already got an S2000. It's a little big for the living room though....


ron

LOL! I'd like to have one too... very cool. :)

Honda S2000

scout

Has there been a 46" XBR announced?

yes but their will be no final specs on the tv until a sony show this march or april. last CES sony showed a 46in 1080p tv from japan and said it will be out this spring or Q2.


LOL! I'd like to have one too... very cool. :)

Honda S2000

scout

yah i wished i had one too ;)

I purchased the 40" from sony.com and I just received it last thursday. I can say it has a fantastic picture. I noticed it doesn't blur with fast moving object like the older XBR in my opinion. I tried all kinds of DVD's but I didn't see any problems with any of them.

PS2 plays without any lag but doesn't look to great. Holding out for PS3 for the hidef gaming.

It says 8 ms (gray to gray) in the specifications page for the KDL-32S2000, same as the XBR.

I was browsing through vanns.com today to place an order of the new Sony KDL-32S2000, but they ran out and they will need to order more. Now I have to wait for 1-2 weeks before I can even own it. :(

On the other hand, the KDL-40S2000 is available and is "in-stock."

Why don't you order from sony's site. They shipped my tv early. It wasn't even supposed to ship until the 10th according to the website.

BTW I think people will be impressed with this TV. I still can't believe my eyes. Such a gorgeous picture.

I was wondering if anybody has any experiences with the s2000 model since it's been out in stores for a couple weeks. I went to BB yesterday, and the display looks great. When comparing to the xbr with the wcg-ccfl, I can't really see a big diff in pq.

I saw four boxes of the new Sony KDL-32S2000 in my local Best Buy store today. They are on the top back shelf. But the store does not have a display yet. :(

I saw four boxes of the new Sony KDL-32S2000 in my local Best Buy store today. They are on the top back shelf. But the store does not have a display yet. :(


I'm interested in this model.

I've got an S2000 parked outside and a XBR parked in the living room. I would have a hard time picking a favorite!

46 inch version back on sonystyle

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=KDL46S2000&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=tv_flatpanel_26%22to42%22

Anyone know if this will be available in Canada?

I'm particularly interested in this 40S2000 series because it has 1 more component input than the current S40A10 and this has built in ATSC tuner.

this will mainly be used for HTPC so I'm hoping the VGA port can accept 1360x768, 1:1 pixel mapping. and not fill the screen with a stretched 1280x768 image...

I saw the KDL-32S2000 today along with the KDL-V32XBR1 together. Both are in sports picture mode, 1080i, component video input. To me, the KDL-32S2000 picture looks a little darker and has more color pushed out than the KDL-V32XBR1. Although more contrast than the KDL-V32XBR1, the KDL-32S2000 is more sharper looking than the KDL-V32XBR1. It's really heard to tell the difference since they both look pretty good.

you really can't judge a store display until you get both tv's remotes and set them the same. i have not seen these new s2000's but my guess is the xbr is just a little better picture wise, that's why its XBR :rolleyes:

no cable card, but still QAM tuner for unscrambled HD cable channels?

Any news on the release date or estimated price for the new 45'' S series? The design of the new aquos has taken them off my list so now its down to the sony. Also, does anyone know of the S series has a QAM tuner?

Doug

you really can't judge a store display until you get both tv's remotes and set them the same. i have not seen these new s2000's but my guess is the xbr is just a little better picture wise, that's why its XBR :rolleyes:Right on....the xbr engine is the xbr engine and that's that. Sony is not going to bring out a competing model that's better than their flagship and sell it for less as long as there are XBR's rolling off the line. They're not a bunch of fools.

You can rationalize all day long about the new model being better, or as good as the xbr, but it ain't gonna happen, IMO, so quit trying to fool yourselves.

Having said that....when you get the S2000 in your home it's gonna look great. Just quit comparing it to the XBR, and never look back. Buy the S2000 because it's cheaper and you want to save a little $$, buy it because you don't think the XBR is worth the extra $$, or buy it because you like the way it looks or because of features....but don't buy it because you think it's got better PQ, cuz it don't.

From the User's Guide (http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/documents/specifications/KDL-26-32-40S2000_usermanual.pdf) :

Specifications

Television system:
NTSC American . . . TV Standard
ATSC (8VSB terrestrial) . . . ATSC compliant 8VSB
QAM on cable . . . ANSI/SCTE 07 2000 (Does not include CableCARD functionality)

Channel coverage:
Terrestrial (analog) 2-69
Cable TV (analog) 1-125
Terrestrial (digital) 2-69
Cable TV (digital) 1-135

Anyone try an xbox 360 with this series yet? specifically the 32 inch?

Any news on the release date or estimated price for the new 45'' S series? The design of the new aquos has taken them off my list so now its down to the sony. Also, does anyone know of the S series has a QAM tuner?

Doug
You mean the 46"? If so, according to Sony, it will be released either in April or May. The S series has a QAM tuner.

Any news on the release date or estimated price for the new 45'' S series? The design of the new aquos has taken them off my list so now its down to the sony. Also, does anyone know of the S series has a QAM tuner?

Doug


Could it be around $4000 MSRP perhaps? Isn't the XBR supposed to be arund $5000 MSRP?

The KDL-46S2000 will be available in May for about $4,500

copyed from sony press release so it will cost $4,499 :rolleyes:

Right on....the xbr engine is the xbr engine and that's that. Sony is not going to bring out a competing model that's better than their flagship and sell it for less as long as there are XBR's rolling off the line. They're not a bunch of fools.

You can rationalize all day long about the new model being better, or as good as the xbr, but it ain't gonna happen, IMO, so quit trying to fool yourselves.

Having said that....when you get the S2000 in your home it's gonna look great. Just quit comparing it to the XBR, and never look back. Buy the S2000 because it's cheaper and you want to save a little $$, buy it because you don't think the XBR is worth the extra $$, or buy it because you like the way it looks or because of features....but don't buy it because you think it's got better PQ, cuz it don't.

Sorry, but I disagree. Have you done any research on these models? It would be pointless for Sony to release a brand new model that is already sub-standard when it hits the shelves. The cheaper price of the new model does not come at the cost of PQ, but features. Sure the S2000 series doesnt have some of the XBRs features (inputs, cable card, USB, whatever), but it does have improvements in the display itself, and should be better than the XBR in that regard.

Have you seen the specs and press release?

"The new S-series BRAVIA models also feature a new one chip digital processor for improved picture quality. "

"Sony's new one chip, full digital processor found in these new models reduces "block noise" around letters, such as on-screen graphics and subtitles and enhances contrast, producing crisp and vivid images. The chip also automatically adjusts greens and blues for truer and brighter colors.

The S-series incorporates Sony's panel made by S-LCD, which provides wider viewing angles, a faster response time and a high contrast ratio"

"Comb Filter: 3D digital comb filter
Advanced Video Processor: Motion and edge adaptive I/P converter
Advanced Video Processor: Contrast enhancer circuit
Advanced Video Processor: MPEG noise reduction
Advanced Video Processor: Green and blue enhancer
Advanced Video Processor: CineMotion™/Film Mode/Cinema Drive "

All of those are improvements over the XBR. Still think the XBR has a better display 'just because it's an XBR?'

If anything the display technology of this series could be the starting point for the next line of XBRs..

I agree it may not be as good as the XBR in some areas, maybe even PQ. but the argument that its not as good just because its not an XBR and not as expensive is foolish.

Sackett, I totally agree. Let's keep the discussion of the PQ grounded in specifications and personal visual experience, not model numbers and prices. To be honest, it seems more likely that an xbr owner is trying to rationalize his choice in the face of better-value (and perhaps better-looking) televisions, rather than the reverse.

Supposing the PQ is comparable on these sets, there are at least a few other important and price-driving differences that I've noticed:

a) weight: the xbr is ~33% heavier, which could mean a better power supply, better components, or ???
b) remote control: I believe I've heard the S2000 controls are quite junky especially relative to the XBR controls, but I have no first hand evidence to back it up
c) aesthetics: personally, I think the XBR looks more professional, slick, and well-polished than the S2000 -- anyone else buy that?

These things, and perhaps a few others, may be enough to swing folks to pony up an extra $300-$400 retail for the 'top-of-the-line' XBR.

c) aesthetics: personally, I think the XBR looks more professional, slick, and well-polished than the S2000 -- anyone else buy that?


ditto. thats one of the places the xbr is obviously better.

i've been doing alot of reading on these things, and i love the XBR, but i am interested in what everyones take on the S2000 will be once people start getting them. for that $400 less, minus a few features (that i do not personally need), but equal or better PQ, it sounds pretty good.


Anyone else purchase on of the S2000s yet??? lets get some more first-hand opinions on these!!

XBR's WEGA Engine™technology and Digital Reality Creation® (DRC®) Multifunction V1 Circuitry vs. S-series' One Chip Processor.

Could someone tell me which one is the better tv processor, thank you.

Sorry, but I disagree. Have you done any research on these models? It would be pointless for Sony to release a brand new model that is already sub-standard when it hits the shelves. The cheaper price of the new model does not come at the cost of PQ, but features. Sure the S2000 series doesnt have some of the XBRs features (inputs, cable card, USB, whatever), but it does have improvements in the display itself, and should be better than the XBR in that regard.

Have you seen the specs and press release?

"The new S-series BRAVIA models also feature a new one chip digital processor for improved picture quality. "

"Sony's new one chip, full digital processor found in these new models reduces "block noise" around letters, such as on-screen graphics and subtitles and enhances contrast, producing crisp and vivid images. The chip also automatically adjusts greens and blues for truer and brighter colors.

The S-series incorporates Sony's panel made by S-LCD, which provides wider viewing angles, a faster response time and a high contrast ratio"

"Comb Filter: 3D digital comb filter
Advanced Video Processor: Motion and edge adaptive I/P converter
Advanced Video Processor: Contrast enhancer circuit
Advanced Video Processor: MPEG noise reduction
Advanced Video Processor: Green and blue enhancer
Advanced Video Processor: CineMotion™/Film Mode/Cinema Drive "

All of those are improvements over the XBR. Still think the XBR has a better display 'just because it's an XBR?'

If anything the display technology of this series could be the starting point for the next line of XBRs..

I agree it may not be as good as the XBR in some areas, maybe even PQ. but the argument that its not as good just because its not an XBR and not as expensive is foolish.The fool here is the one who can't read what I wrote and puts words into my mouth....I never said nor implied that the S2000 was "sub-standard" (whatever that means...:rolleyes: ), nor did I state that the XBR was better simply because it was more expensive....quite the contrary....I said the XBR was better, period, and thus the extra cost is warranted because it is an XBR. My opinion of the XBR quality is borne out by many years of ownership since the time the line was introduced, as well as personal observation of the models in question here.

I don't form my opinions from press releases....is that your "research"? Why not get out and actually look at these products?

And no, the introduction of a lesser model is not "pointless"....companies do it all the time. It's called "gaining market share", in a crowded sector where the price disadvantage of the XBR rules it out for many customers. The S2000 is an opportunity for customers who might not otherwise buy a Sony.

I do not currently own an XBR, but that in no way changes my opinion that the XBR label still represents the best that Sony has to offer. But if you don't appreciate that quality, don't pay for it.

For those who already bought the KDL-40S2000, I'd like to know your experience when using it as a PC monitor.
I plan to buy one shortly, for my usage, I'll use the LCD as my primary, daily use PC monitor, say, 50% or more time for PC monitor, 40% for watch DVDs & HDTV, and maybe less than 10% for playing PC games.
What I'm not sure is, if I sit 7-8 ft far away from the monitor, at 1366x768 resolution, will the normal fonts on web pages be too small? one more question, do you think it worth to buy a dusty brand LCD with 1920x1080 native resolution with almost the same cost? How many of you are not satisfied with the SONY's 1366x768 resolution?

Thanks in advance, your opinions are very important for my decision making, currently, I have a 42" Sceptre 1920x1080 LCD backordered from Costco, I must decide which one is the correct choice for me - most likely, during this weekend.

XBR does not necessarily mean that nothing else in the Sony line is as good. I have the vaulted Sony 34XBR960 tube set. For quite a bit less you could get the non XBR 955, with guess what, the exact same unique tube the high dollar XBR featured.

I saw a 40XBR next to the new 40S2000 series in a flat panel store. The blacks on the S were much blacker, closer to the Plasma hanging near them. Color and resolution may have been a tad better on the XBR, but the blacks were distinctly different, in favor of the S.

I would agree that improvements are made all the time and Sony knows it will sell a lot more S models at the cheaper price. Of course, new improvements are passed on new models, the S just has less features.

XBR has been a successful marketing tool for Sony, but XBR is not necesarily better quality than other Sony models in all cases.

XBR does not necessarily mean that nothing else in the Sony line is as good. I have the vaulted Sony 34XBR960 tube set. For quite a bit less you could get the non XBR 955, with guess what, the exact same unique tube the high dollar XBR featured.That's my point....you may get the same PQ with the 955, but it's not better than the XBR. IMO, the 955 is to the 960 what the S2000 is the the 40XBR1. It was offered to increase sales to those not inclined or able to shell out for the XBR, but it was not offered as an improvement over the XBR.

I saw a 40XBR next to the new 40S2000 series in a flat panel store. The blacks on the S were much blacker, closer to the Plasma hanging near them. Color and resolution may have been a tad better on the XBR, but the blacks were distinctly different, in favor of the S.gigaguy, we can agree to disagree on this one....having viewed probably the same two sets in the same store, I definitely would've taken home the XBR on that day. But my eyes may not be as discriminating as yours....I just picked the one that pleased me the most.

I would agree that improvements are made all the time and Sony knows it will sell a lot more S models at the cheaper price. Of course, new improvements are passed on new models, the S just has less features.And you'd probably agree that some "improvements" are simply not improvements at all, but marketing hype that makes for good press releases. It doesn't make sense to me that any breakthrough technology would appear first on entry level products. That would be like saying the Qualia technology came from the SXRD.

XBR has been a successful marketing tool for Sony, but XBR is not necesarily better quality than other Sony models in all cases.Agreed, but as they say, "you can fool some of the people some of the time, etc., etc." The XBR has been around a long time and I don't know of an instance where it's failed to live up to it's name.

Now I'm going to quit beating this dead horse and go back to watching my A10, and wishing it was an SXRD....just kidding. :D

A10 is rear proj right? What I was saying on these, is that since LCD TV is fairly new, I think improvements are made all the time, I could be wrong.

I do want a LCD for the bedroom, and prefer Sony but the prices (XBR or not) are keeping me away. It'd be easier to justify in the main viewing room.

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gigaguy, we can agree to disagree on this one....having viewed probably the same two sets in the same store, I definitely would've taken home the XBR on that day. But my eyes may not be as discriminating as yours....I just picked the one that pleased me the most.

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I would argue that you both may be correct. The problem with comparing two sets in a brick and mortar store is that, even side by side, you would probably have to spend a half hour adjusting the two displays to your liking. The tv's at one store may have been adjusted differently than at the other store.

I too was on the fence between the 32XBR1 and the 32S2000. But I wanted to get my TV from an authorized store, so the price difference was one of the primary factors. Breaking down all the specs, the two differences that concerned me most were the WCG-CCFL (wider color gamut) and the XBR image processing (Digital Reality Creation, etc). Besides that, the underlying display technology seemed to be the same.

In the end I bought the 32S2000. I figured that this tv would be a holdover until 40" + 1080p tv's are more affordable and this TV would go in the bedroom. Moving up from a 27FS16, this new tv is great!

For the most part, the DRC didn't really interest me very much. I like to keep the picture as intact as possible (sharpness set to min, etc). One feature that I did end up using was the MPEG noise reduction feature. This helped when watching basketball through my cable provider since they seem to have overcompressed the picture. At the expense of a slight amount of blurring, there was greatly reduced pixelation.

Black levels are very good. In order to get the best black you have to adjust the backlight to min and set Power Saving up to Low. At this setting, the backlight is at its true minimum. This is perfect for watching movies at night. With my kill-a-watt, it only uses 58 watts! This is 20 watts less than my old 27" CRT used for a smaller screen area.

Also hooked up my powerbook to the display using the VGA input and am very impressed. Colors look natural and the 1360x768 resolution looks to be doing true 1:1 pixel mapping (3 pixels on both sides are blacked out). Auto adjust on TV just worked!

What else? The deinterlacing seemed to be very good for HD sources (1080i), however I did notice occasionally there are issues with 480i content when there is a full scene change. Not sure if other TVs have this issue as well. Since my cable box doesn't allow passthrough of HD content, I usually keep it at 1080i since that is what most sources are at anyways. I think it's better to scale from 1080i -> 768p rather than 1080i -> 720p -> 768p.

A friend just got a Samsung LN-R328W. I like the sony better in almost all respects. The sony allows much greater control over backlight and color settings. Samsung's DNIe cannot be turned off it seems :-(. The VGA input looked more realistic, and with no picture noise.

Oh, one more thing. I found it pretty cool that sony is now using open source for it's TVs. This includes both the XBR1 and S2000s, not to mention a bunch of others. See sony's web site / opensource

Anyways, I can add more comments if any of you have further questions. "Couldn't afford a Honda S2000 so I settled for this..." :-)

I just purchased a 42" LCD and will likely be returning it. I loved the XBR1 from the get-go but the price was too high for me. So, I went cheap on my purchase and am looking to upgrade after this TV is returned.

I went back to my local stores and compared the XBR1 to the 40S2000. I honestly couldn't see much difference between the two. The XBR1 may have looked slightly better, but not enough to warrant the extra $. Having said that, I completely agree that it's impossible to really compare the two on-the-spot like that. I suspect the XBR1 would offer a better viewing pleasure with the proper calibration, but again I'm pretty sure the two were close enough that I'd be happy with either at my home.

I actually like the looks of the 40S2000 better. Yes, the XBR1's remote was much nicer. The 40S2000's remote was similar to my Sony 27" Trinitron remote -- which I find easy to use and functional. Either way, the S2000's remote was a Mercedes compared to the "Kia" of a remote I have with this 42" LCD (which I'm returning).

imho it doesn't have a "PC input" until it has a DVI-I input or a second HDMI (since cabling can pass DVI to HDMI). VGA (analog) is a joke when you want high quality display of your personal computer's content. Heck, most modern videocards don't even have VGA outputs anymore. =p

That said I'd love to see the 32" S2000 next to the 32" XBR to see just how much difference there is/isn't between the two. I am close to purchase of one if it can come close to the price of the 32" Sharp D40U but closer to the PQ of the XBR 32".

"If only it had DVI-I..." will be my cry. Then it would be nearly perfect. :)

A10 is rear proj right? What I was saying on these, is that since LCD TV is fairly new, I think improvements are made all the time, I could be wrong.

I do want a LCD for the bedroom, and prefer Sony but the prices (XBR or not) are keeping me away. It'd be easier to justify in the main viewing room.The A10 is a $2k stopgap....until affordable 50"+ LCD or SED displays are available. The PQ of a 40" LCD (XBR or not) is lost on me sitting at 12 feet.

Can anyone recommend the best possible settings for this display.
I would appreciate the help.
Picture
Brightness
Colour
Hue
Sharpness
Colour Temp
Black Corrector
Noise Reduction
Backlight

Your settings will vary from source to source. And from individual model to another as well; there really is no "one size fits all". Experiment and enjoy your new TV! :)

I just spent a solid hour at BB, including a good 40 minutes with the 26" XBR next to the 32" S2000. The S2000 is $100 cheaper than the 6" smaller XBR. Here is my conclusion after 40mins playing with each TV's settings:

The S2000 32" is an awesome TV and it's definitely the better buy for the price.
The 26" XBR has more vibrant colors and both black and white people on screen look slightly more natural in skintone. I could not get rid of a touch too much redness in skintones on the S2000. Those are my ONLY two gripes with the s2000: Reddish skintones and slightly less vibrant colors.

Both TVs were in Vivid mode (and later Custom mode).
Both were in Neutral or Cool temperature range (the Warms on both were just too warm for my taste).

On the s2000 I tried dropping the Color setting a bit but the point at which the extra reddish skintones disappeared it was also starting to head into grayscale/b&w picture.

I tried sliding Hue over to a touch of green Hue but it did not remove the reddish skintones either.

I would say that if the skintones were identical to the XBR's, I would have bought the s2000 today. 32" for $100 less than the 26" XBR and everything aside from the skintone issue (and slightly less vivid colors but that you only notice when the two are side by side).

The color vibrancy of the XBR is stunning when they played some DiscoveryHD footage. There was a Jeff Corbin (i think that's his name?) show footage with a green lizard and the extra color vibrancy (is that a word?) on the XBR drew my attention every time. Human skintones (both black and white, being they are the bookends of the spectrum) were also more natural on the XBR. The difference on the s2000 is the reddish tinge to all skintones.

Oh - one question: Is there no Cable coax input on the S2000 models?? What's up with that? The XBR has a Cable coax input directly above the UHF/VHF antenna coax input. I did not see a Cable input on the S2000s. That caught my attention. An answer would be much appreciated.

Hope this is helpful!

XBR Hype: A state of mind that deludes one into thinking that:

1. The XBR PQ blows all others away.
2. The XBR can never be surpassed by a newer non-XBR model that sells concurrently.
3. The XBR design always looks better than non-XBR models.

Oh - one question: Is there no Cable coax input on the S2000 models?? What's up with that? The XBR has a Cable coax input directly above the UHF/VHF antenna coax input. I did not see a Cable input on the S2000s. That caught my attention. An answer would be much appreciated.

Hope this is helpful!

The S2000 has one RF input instead of the XBR's two, but you can still use it for cable. Just plug the cable into the "VHF/UHF" port. In the Setup menu there's a setting for "Cable"; set it to "On" if you have a cable TV signal going into the RF input; set it to "Off" if it's an antenna signal.

Cool, that answers that mystery! :) Thanks CaseCom.

mark_1080p: It really does have excellent PQ though, and while I wouldn't say it "blew away" the s2000, it did have slightly more vibrant color and none of the extra reddish tinge to skintones.

But heck, for a hundred bucks less and six inches more *no pun intended*, I'll take the s2000.

Anyways, I can add more comments if any of you have further questions.

any comments on the skintones as yacoub discribed?

any comments on the skintones as yacoub discribed?

Check this out:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7417607&&#post7417607
Poster says at his store the XBR had reddish tones. Interesting.

I wonder if it could be at all related to the source or input cabling. :confused:

I bought the 40S2000 yesterday, and the PQ on HD is great, almost like 3-D. Watched "War of the Worlds" last night on DVD and that also was great, I love it!! But..... I'm returning it.

On SD programming, analog or digital cable and OTA digital I'm seeing ghosting on vertical lines to the point that it makes watching most SD channels unacceptable. It appears that all the SD channels have it, just that some are a lot worst than others. Also, there seems to be (again on some channels) sever compression artifacts which using the "MPEG Noise Reduction" settings option help a bit but not a lot.

Watching QVC (my wife, not me :-)) they were selling long necklaces. On the vertical parts of the necklace I will see 5 ghost lines on either side, but as the necklace loops horizontal the ghosts merge into the original and are not seen. Switching between analog/digital was the same. On other SD channels, same thing, ghosts on vertical lines, not on horizontal. The ghosting is on any vertical lines including the edges of faces and clothing.

The salesman at BB when I bought it told me that the XBR dealt better with SD than does the S2000 series, but with the XBR being more money and the extended warrantee costing a additional $200 over the 40S200 I'm going to have to pass on the Sony line and start looking at others.

Out of curiosity, what was your sharpness set to?

...

The S2000 32" is an awesome TV and it's definitely the better buy for the price.
The 26" XBR has more vibrant colors and both black and white people on screen look slightly more natural in skintone. I could not get rid of a touch too much redness in skintones on the S2000. Those are my ONLY two gripes with the s2000: Reddish skintones and slightly less vibrant colors.

Both TVs were in Vivid mode (and later Custom mode).
Both were in Neutral or Cool temperature range (the Warms on both were just too warm for my taste).

On the s2000 I tried dropping the Color setting a bit but the point at which the extra reddish skintones disappeared it was also starting to head into grayscale/b&w picture.

I tried sliding Hue over to a touch of green Hue but it did not remove the reddish skintones either.

I would say that if the skintones were identical to the XBR's, I would have bought the s2000 today. 32" for $100 less than the 26" XBR and everything aside from the skintone issue (and slightly less vivid colors but that you only notice when the two are side by side).

The color vibrancy of the XBR is stunning when they played some DiscoveryHD footage. There was a Jeff Corbin (i think that's his name?) show footage with a green lizard and the extra color vibrancy (is that a word?) on the XBR drew my attention every time. Human skintones (both black and white, being they are the bookends of the spectrum) were also more natural on the XBR. The difference on the s2000 is the reddish tinge to all skintones.

...



Out of the box the color is WAY too saturated. I had to drop the color down from its default of 50 to around 23-28 in order for the colors to appear more natural to me. Also, some channels need this lowered more than others.

Overall, the color balance seems to be very dependent on source material. I've found that some pictures look better with the color temperature set to Cool or Warm 1 but usually I will keep it on Neutral.

Turning on Live Color seemed to help with the blues and greens when watching the Simpsons. Marge's hair looked to have a more accurate blue with this set to high. I haven't played around with this setting much on other content as I'm generally happy with the color the way it is.

Out of curiosity, what was your sharpness set to?

The Sharpness is set at default (15). Running it up to max really makes things look bad, and going down to min just smooths things out a bit but the ghost lines are still there.

I did find that the default Vivid picture mode was also too sharp, and as others have said, it did have the colors too over saturated so I am using the Standard picture mode.

Sure wish there was some way to get rid of this ghosting :(

Agreed, the XBR is at the top of the heap - with the sharps.

Hard to believe that Samsung is giving their crown jewels away - the panels - so Sony gets all the credit. This the work of the Koreans, they deserve the credit. Is there even a Samsung model out there with the XBR panel ?

Any word on whether these models have a USB for photo display ?

Thought a pic of the 46" S2K was worth posting ...

http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/650x650/KDL40S2000.jpg

This design is not too bad, maybe a 2 tone or titanium could spruce it up a bit. Color is bland IMO. Sharp's got its hands full competing with this line and the XBR. It is going to get interesting this year, when Sharp starts its new plant.

Let the price wars begin. It will be interesting to see if we begin to affect plasma sales or not.

OK I spent even more time with the 32" s2000 today and I'll post the best settings I could find that reduced the reddish skintone tinge:

Custom
Backlight - Max
Picture - 90
Brightness - 45
Color - 55
Hue - 0
Color Temp - Cool
Sharpness - 14
Noise Reduction - Medium

Advanced settings - irrelevant to the red issue. I think the first two were set to Low or Minimal, others were Off like MPEG Noise Reduction.


Speaking of that, the MPEG noise reduction created clayface when faces came on screen. Not sure what the point of MPEG noise reduction is - could not see any improvement in any content in the demo loops at BB (CC doesn't carry the S2000s (yet?) just the XBRs and older A10s). I kept MPEG noise reduction off since all it did was clayface humans onscreen.

I think this will be my TV. I can't currently compare it side-by-side with the 32" Sharp D40U that just came out though, since CC has the Sharp D40U but not the s2000, and BB has the s2000 but not the D40U Sharp. They're almost identical in price and I prefer the much more robust Settings configuation options on the Sony to the rather pathetic configuration options available on the 32" D40U (the 40+" has better menu options but that's irrelevant to me).

That said, the Sony XBR, which both stores carry, has a very impressive picture quality and the s2000 next to the XBR comes very close where as the D40U next to the XBR is not as vibrant, bright, or rich, though it still looks alright.

Given the similar price, I anticipate picking up a 32" S2000 as soon as prices come down a little. If the price gets down to around $1600 in the major retail stores by Memorial Day, that will be my purchase. I'm sure online they are cheaper but I prefer b&m for expensive and important purchases, especially if BB or CC has a 30-day no questions asked return policy so I can ensure I'll be able to return one if it has any dead pixels.

I wonder if it could be at all related to the source or input cabling. :confused:

That is exactly what i was wondering..

The cabling at most those stores are anything but perfect, and hookups between sets that are even side-by-side could be different, loose, longer, shorter, etc.

who knows.

I hung a 40S2000 on the wall at work last week right next to the 40XBR1. The new S panel is sweet at a decent price. It definately doesn't have XBR heritage. Aside form picture quality, the XBR casing blows the plasticy S2000 away imo.. It's getting tougher though..

sony now has price for KDL-46S2000
Expected to ship in May 2006
$ 3,999.99

I have a question for anyone with an S2000. When viewing an all black screen, do you notice light leakage at either the bottom, top, sides, or corners of the screen? That is, is it brighter/lighter at those areas compared to a darker center? I have this problem with my Samsung LCD computer monitor. If an all black screen comes up, it is noticeably brighter at the top and bottom of the screen. Also, when viewing an all black screen in a dimly lit or dark room, does it have a bluish tinge to it?

Thanks.

In the page 14 of Sony's user manual, it said:"Do not connect a PC to the TV's HDMI input...", does anybody know the specific reason?
In my understanding, if you connect a PC to the TV through the 15 pin D-Sub, it's analog RGB signal, but the HDMI is all digital, right? My PC video card has dual DVI output and supports both digital and analog signals, so why cannot I connect my PC to the TV through DVI-HDMI cable? is there any potential damage to the TV by doing this?

I have a question for anyone with an S2000. When viewing an all black screen, do you notice light leakage at either the bottom, top, sides, or corners of the screen? That is, is it brighter/lighter at those areas compared to a darker center? I have this problem with my Samsung LCD computer monitor. If an all black screen comes up, it is noticeably brighter at the top and bottom of the screen. Also, when viewing an all black screen in a dimly lit or dark room, does it have a bluish tinge to it?

Thanks.

To answer all three of your questions, the S2000 has no leakage or bluish tinge.

I have a question for anyone with an S2000. When viewing an all black screen, do you notice light leakage at either the bottom, top, sides, or corners of the screen? That is, is it brighter/lighter at those areas compared to a darker center? I have this problem with my Samsung LCD computer monitor. If an all black screen comes up, it is noticeably brighter at the top and bottom of the screen. Also, when viewing an all black screen in a dimly lit or dark room, does it have a bluish tinge to it?

Thanks.

I saw exactly what you described on the 20" samsung LCD TV LT-P2045

I had also seen the blue tint on the Panasonic TC-20LA5 but today when
I was at CC I did not see the blue tint on the panny LCD TV. I didnt care
to check the samsung as I wasnt going to buy it. I am not sure why
the panny didnt show the blue tint today. May be it is content related?

I have been looking for a 20" LCD TV for my bedroom and of all
the TV's I have checked the SONY LCD WEGA 20" is the best. It
has a darker screen i.e when there is no content and much higher
contrast. No blue tint or brightness nonuniformity. But it it $699.

Anyway... Just thought I would mention this.

BTW I also saw the 32' xbr and the new S-version. The XBR has
slightly better contrast but when compared to samsung 3251D the
contrast on both XBR and S-version is much lower.
By adjusting the contrast and brightness on samsung the clay face
can be reduced. So I am not bothered by DNIE. didnt mean to throw stones at SONY. Just my observations.

any idea when sony plans on releasing a 1080p lcd? i'm thinking about buying a 40' xbr or s2000, but i would like to feel that i'm investing my $$ in technology that is going to be adaquete for 3-5 years. 1080p being new and all doesn't have much content at the moment, but am I going to be behind the ball in a few years? if so, where should i be looking and should i just put my plans on the backburner for now?

the S2000 has a lot of configuration available in the Settings Menu. To turn off MPEG Noise Reduction which only seemed to add clayfaces to everyone (ie seemed pretty worthless) change the settings from Vivid or whatever to Custom, then go down to Advanced and you'll find the option there with (IIRC) three settings: High, Low, and Off. Select Off. Look for a similar Advanced options section on the Samsung perhaps?

Would anyone with an S2000 care to write a review on it? Information on this is hard to come by at the moment. Specifically, how is it with HD, SD, DVDS and/or video games/ghosting? Any pictures of it running these things would be greatly appreciated also!

Got my 40S2000 this afternoon, tried to connect it to my PC through 15 pin D-Sub and DVI-HDMI cables, while the connection through 15 pin D-Sub was not a problem, I cannot get a clear image through DVI-HDMI cable, it adjusts the resolution to 1280x720 and seems doesn't support 1360x768 if connected through HDMI...
What I intend to do is using the DVI-HDMI only to connect the 40S2000 with my PC so I can play DVDs and use the TV as a PC monitor. Anybody does this successfully? Sony's user manual does state:"Do not connect a PC to the TV's HDMI input...", but I really don't know the reason, why cannot I connect it to my PC using HDMI interface and set the resolution to 1360x768?


In the page 14 of Sony's user manual, it said:"Do not connect a PC to the TV's HDMI input...", does anybody know the specific reason?
In my understanding, if you connect a PC to the TV through the 15 pin D-Sub, it's analog RGB signal, but the HDMI is all digital, right? My PC video card has dual DVI output and supports both digital and analog signals, so why cannot I connect my PC to the TV through DVI-HDMI cable? is there any potential damage to the TV by doing this?

bump. I am also set on either the 32s2000 or the 32xbr1 and I dont realy care that much for the added features except I wonder how the tuners in the two compare. Does anyone know?

The 26 inch S2000 LCD would be mainly used at 720p for my 360. Can we have some comments on settings and ghosting via component or VGA using the 360? I would like to hear some S2000 owners 360 experiences before I order. Thanks!! :)

muk - great question for the 26" model. especially any comparisons to the 26" XBR. would be interested to know how the two compare, especially for gaming console use.

I would think an especially good test would be Splinter Cell games due to their use of high end graphics, shadows and such. Great way to see how a display handles dark areas and detail.

Or the really dark level on Advanced Warfighter for 360. That level has killer dark scenes. I just want to hear some 360 owners tell about there experiences with this new Sony LCD line. Hopefully someone. :(

FWIW, I was just at Best Buy again and they didn't have the 26" S2000 but they have the 26" XBR and both Bravia lines in 32". They all seemed to do a very good job handling detail in the few dark scenes I saw on the demos that were playing. I'm sure a more technical owner's opinion would be more helpful though.

forgot to mention:

The reddish skintones I detected on the 32S2000 in my previous review did not show themselves as readily this time. I think perhaps a different feed was used since the display was in a different location. I also had the Color down a bit and the Picture and Backlight up, so the picture was pretty vibrant but not "warm" into the reddish skintone arena. I was still able to make skintones overly reddsh by pushing the Color up above ~60 though.

FWIW, I was just at Best Buy again and they didn't have the 26" S2000 but they have the 26" XBR and both Bravia lines in 32". They all seemed to do a very good job handling detail in the few dark scenes I saw on the demos that were playing. I'm sure a more technical owner's opinion would be more helpful though.

Guess we'll never know ;)

OK, so I was ready today to plunk down [EDIT] for a Sony s2000, then I saw the Vizio L32HDTV at Sam's Club for [EDIT] and after reading the specs and other 9 pages of comments elsewhere in this forum, I am wondering what the extra 800 for the Sony buys me.. except no PIP and several other features...any thoughts anyone???

Who makes the panel in the Vizio? Is it "brand x" so-to-speak, or will it actually last as long as a name brand?

I believe these are all made in Taiwan. The mfgr site is vinc d o t c o m

Specs are:

Panel 32” LCD (31.5” viewable diagonal area), 16:9 Aspect Ratio
Resolution 1366 x 768 pixels
Pixel (Dot) Pitch 0.51075mm (H) x 0. 51075mm (V)
Display Compatibility HDTV (720P)
Signal Compatibility 480i (SDTV), 480P (EDTV), 720P (HDTV), 1080i (HDTV)
TV Tuners 1x ATSC (off-air), clear QAM (digital cable) and 1x NTSC standard (off-air, cable)
Colors 16.77 Million
Brightness 500 cd/m2 (typical)
Contrast 800:1 (max)
Response Time 8 mS typical
Viewing Angle >170° (horizontal and vertical)
Inputs 2x Co-axial RF (for DTV & TV), 1x HDMI™** with HDCP plus Stereo Audio
(RCA), 2x Component YPbPr plus Stereo Audio, 1x RGB PC plus Stereo Audio,
1x S-Video plus Stereo Audio (shared in AV3), 3x Composite Video plus Stereo
Audio (AV1, AV2, AV3)
Outputs 1x 5.1 Audio from DTV input only (SPDIF Optical), 1x Stereo Audio (RCA), 1x
Headphone (Stereo Mini-Jack)
Features PIP, POP, CC, V-Chip, 3D Comb Filter, Zoom, Freeze, Motion Adaptive De-
Interlace, Picture Enhancement, MPEG-2 Decoding via DTV input, NTSC Video
decoding via Video (AV, S-Video or Component), Progressive Scan Video via
HDMI™**, Component or RGB, HDTV via HDMI™**, Component or RGB (Set-
Top Box required), Computer 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024 via RGB,
Sound Enhancement
Speakers Built-in, 10W x 2
Remote VIZIO remote by Universal Electronics. Program up to 4 devices.
Panel Life 60,000 hours to half the original brightness
Power
Input IEC Connector for direct power line connection
Voltage Range 100 ~ 240Vac at 50/60Hz
Power Consumption 160W Max. (Standby 3W Max. @ 240Vac)
Environmental Conditions
Operating Temperature: 5°C~35°C, Relative Humidity: 10~90%, Altitude: 0~14,000 ft
Non-Operating Temperature: -20°C~50°C, Relative Humidity: 10~90%, Altitude: 0~40,000 ft
Dimensions 32.2” W x 25.3” H x 11” D with stand; 32.2” W x 24.3” H x 5.2” D without stand
Net Weight 43 lbs with stand; 38 lbs without stand
Gross Weight ? lbs
Certifications CSA, FCC Class B

There are quite a few technical commnets on this unit elsewhere in the AVS forum...

Seems to have a pretty strong following.

I believe these are all made in Taiwan. The mfgr site is vinc d o t c o m

Specs are:


Features PIP, POP, CC, V-Chip, 3D Comb Filter, Zoom, Freeze, Motion Adaptive De-
Interlace, Picture Enhancement, MPEG-2 Decoding via DTV input, NTSC Video
decoding via Video (AV, S-Video or Component), Progressive Scan Video via
HDMI™**, Component or RGB, HDTV via HDMI™**, Component or RGB (Set-
Top Box required), Computer 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024 via RGB,


Does that mean it won't do 1360x768 1:1 pixel mapping?

I'm pretty sure the Sony does 1360x768 1:1 pixel mapping via VGA-input. Can someone confirm? Thanks.

I got the 40S2000 last Thu., but haven't got time to look at any details or do any calibration on it, I may post my opinion on it later after I get time to calibrate it, but here is my initial impression:

Good:
1. Solid build, black level is good.
2. Excellent HD picture quality.
3. Picture quality on regular analog channels is much better than what I expected. (actually, for regular 4:3 picture, it's equivalent to about 32")

Bad:
1. Maybe because of HDCP, the HDMI interface is basically for TV/DVD signals only, for PC connection, I have to use DVI->15 pin D-Sub adapter to connect to the TV through its PC connector in order to get 1360x768 1:1 pixel map (Converting digital signal back to analog signal !). That being said, for PC connection, the analog 15 pin D_Sub must be used instead of DVI-HDMI, otherwise, I cannot get a clear picture.
2. Red push on TV pictures. The TV doesn't come with any RGB adjustment option, so you basically don't have much to do with this. But for PC, I created a customized monitor profile between my PC and the TV using my color meter, the profile controls the RGB output on my video card and ensures the color accuracy in less than 5% error range from my PC to the TV, when I play DVD using my PC, the color is much better and accurate.
3. Motion artifacts. Not sure if this is because of the TV or the TV Signal (PBS, WETA HD), the motion artifact is obvious, once the object starts moving, say a monkey jumps from one tree to another tree, I see obvious motion artifacts.
4. The remote control design is not good, too many key strokes needed for most of the operations.
5. This may not be a bad thing, but I just want to let you know: I did a full dead pixel check, found 1 stuck pixel showing in orange color.

Does anybody know about the V2000 series?

Bad:
1. Maybe because of HDCP, the HDMI interface is basically for TV/DVD signals only, for PC connection, I have to use DVI->15 pin D-Sub adapter to connect to the TV through its PC connector in order to get 1360x768 1:1 pixel map (Converting digital signal back to analog signal !). That being said, for PC connection, the analog 15 pin D_Sub must be used instead of DVI-HDMI, otherwise, I cannot get a clear picture.


ToLive:
How is the text quality (sharpness) in Windows on this TV though VGA-input? Do you know if you are able to read an Excel spreadsheet clearly? Thanks in advance.

I haven't got chance to open any Excel file yet, but I think the default font is almost the same as default browser font. I sit about 7.5 ft away from the TV, my feeling is, reading default font size in browser is OK at this distance, but I guess 5-6 ft would make me feel as comfortable as reading on my laptop.
Speaking of text sharpness, if you do the following calculation, you would understand, you cannot expect text on the TV to be as sharp as what on your laptop or normal smaller monitor:

My 14" wide screen laptop has 1280x800 resolution, the LCD is 12" in width, so horizontally, it has 1280/12 = 107 dpi resolution; the 40" Sony TV has 1360x768 resolution and is 35" in width, so it has 1360/35 = 39 dpi horizontal resolution. If I sit 2 ft away from the laptop, I would expect I can get the same text quality if I sit 2*(107/39) = 5.5 ft away from the TV, No, I can tell you, that not what I got, at least on this LCD TV.


ToLive:
How is the text quality (sharpness) in Windows on this TV though VGA-input? Do you know if you are able to read an Excel spreadsheet clearly? Thanks in advance.

Ordered my 32s2000 tonight will post impressions soon :cool:

Hey Guys,
I just bought a KDL-40S2000 and I am new to this forum. I was looking to see if anyone had any tweaks or settings for the new Sony 40" LCD Thanks.

2. Red push on TV pictures. The TV doesn't come with any RGB adjustment option, so you basically don't have much to do with this.
Ah, there you are wrong :cool:

This is for the European models, but the service code for Sony TVs worldwide seems to be:

Info (on the Euro remotes, this is a picture of a TV screen with "I+" written in it - it's the button that displays what channel you're watching)
5
Vol Up
Power On

Or, for the S-Series models, I hear sometimes the code has to be "Info, 5, Vol Up, ANALOG". Try both. If you get into the service menu, DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING ELSE because I've managed to screw up the white balance before doing this

On my old Sony KLV-26HG2, I get these options. They're also definitely on the first European BRAVIAs. They should be on the US model too: (Screen shot from old model, hence the different menu system)

http://lyris-lite.net/img/bravia_colour.jpg

Full info here: http://lyris-lite.net/bravia_tips_wb.html

I just bought a KDL-40S2000 and I am new to this forum. I was looking to see if anyone had any tweaks or settings for the new Sony 40" LCD Thanks.
This is aimed at European BRAVIA owners, but the tip about dimming the backlight will be of use to people in the US as well:

http://www.lyris-lite.net/bravia_tips_backlight.html

Anyone else pick up a 32" s2000 in the past week?

Anyone else pick up a 32" s2000 in the past week?
I'll be taking delivery of mine on Saturday. Will give a report when I can.

CNET has posted a review of the 32" S2000:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDL_32S2000/4505-6482_7-31694898.html

Bought the 40" last w/e at CC. Of the 20 or so LCD/plasma displays all lined up in a double row (but not the XBR), this was by far the best display (yeah I know, it all depends how they're set up). At home with DirecTV and OTA, fabulous PQ on HD, especially OTA stuff. Also have analog cable, which ranges from marginally watchable to fair on SD. No bad pixels, excellent setup choices, nice looks - can't go wrong with this one. Might have considered the JVC LT-40FH96 if one was available out here in southern CA, but from all the comments in this forum, at 10 feet viewing distance 1080p wouldn't add anything. My previous HD set was a 34" Toshiba. This LCD completely blows it away.

I picked up a 40" s2000 yesterday and have been trying to tweak it. So far using component cables and 1080i or 480p connections on xbox and ps2 look fantastic. I'm yet to get a xbox 360, but i feel it will look amazing on this set. I am also new to tweaking LCD's (this is my first) so any suggested settings from you guys would be helpful. Standard analog TV channels so far are so so, they are quite grainy at this point... anyone know settings to make SD channels have a better appearance? DVD's at 480p look good, but i havent found the optimal settings for this, again if anyone has some nice suggested settings it would be appreciated.

On 04-02-06 (previous page) someone posted some custom settings. Not sure what they are based on, but I set mine up that way and all looks great. When I get a chance I'll probably use DVE to run some tests on my own.

I picked up a 40" s2000 yesterday and have been trying to tweak it. So far using component cables and 1080i or 480p connections on xbox and ps2 look fantastic. I'm yet to get a xbox 360, but i feel it will look amazing on this set. I am also new to tweaking LCD's (this is my first) so any suggested settings from you guys would be helpful. Standard analog TV channels so far are so so, they are quite grainy at this point... anyone know settings to make SD channels have a better appearance? DVD's at 480p look good, but i havent found the optimal settings for this, again if anyone has some nice suggested settings it would be appreciated.

I have the following settings for my comcast HD box input (usually set to 1080i). Other inputs are derivations of these settings:

Custom mode
Backlight: Min (To get the best black levels, turn on power saving mode or the light sensor)
Power Saving Mode: Low
Picture: Max (Maximizes contrast ratio)
Brightness: 60
Color: 26-30 depending on source material (Anything above 35 or so looks unnatural to me)
Hue: 0
Color Temperature: Warm1
Sharpness: Min (No artificial sharpening; this does not "blur" the source)
Advanced Settings: All off

According to the cnet review, settings of Warm2 with Live Color set to medium produced the most accurate results. For me, this made the whites look a little too yellow, especially when watching sports.

For analog TV, some sharpening may improve the perceived picture quality, though will probably increase "graininess". Try lowering the sharpness to min and then adjust upwards as necessary. I have trouble watching any SD channels now that I know how much better HD is.

Since the S2000 allows you to adjust the settings individually for each input, try experimenting with different settings depending on the input. With the DVD inputs, you should find a disc that has the THX Optimizer mode which will help you adjust the settings to your liking.

Hope this helps!

Does anyone have this unit yet??
I'm very intersted in buying this one or Samsung LN-S4692D.

I looked at Spec of Sony KDL-46S2000 in Sony style and found that

Power Consumption (in Operation): 120W

Power Consumption (in Standby): Less than .01W

Is this possible?????? 120W?????? are you kidding me?????


I'm really curious about 46" S2000's picture quality.....
people say that Samsung LN-S4692D's PQ is awesome.
Can anyone tell me about KDL-46S2000 ?

The new S-series ... provides ... a high contrast ratio (1000:1).

According to the Sony Style site the contrast ratio for the new S2000 series is 1300:1. 1000:1 was the CR for the A10 series.

mau59

Well the KDL-46S2000 is pretty much the identical unit as the 40", only larger. I have the 40" and can attest to it being fantastic for DVD, HD channels and console gaming. So far only gripes i have is standard analog channels being stretched and fuzzy, no matter how much i tweak the settings, and also the fact that my new comcast HD box has issues with the HDMI input locking up the TV. Component works perfectly though, and i ordered a sony dvp-ns90v which upconverts dvds to 720p/1080i via hdmi. The low power backlight setting really helped with black levels i found too.

This morning I saw the new KLD-40S2000 and the "old", more expensive KDL-V40A11 displaying the same HD demo side by side.

I must say that the 40V performed incomparably better: the 40S was chromatically oversaturated and the picture was a tad blurred, whereas the colours displayed by the 40V were so natural and its details so fine that it gave me the impression of looking at the real world.

I understand that the oversaturated colours on the 40S might have been due to a particular setting (maybe the "Vivid" picture mode which somebody told me is set as default by Sony), but the level of detail is quite another matter.

Does anyone know if increasing colour saturation can decrease picture detail? I was about to choose the 40S2000 as my first LCD TV, but I have to admit that after seeing its comparatively "poor" performance I feel somewhat deterred. I may be led to wait a little longer until I can afford the V40. What do you think?

I may be led to wait a little longer until I can afford the V40. What do you think?

I have spent time comparing the two... my situation is a little different though... I won a 46S2000 (which hasn't come yet).

I think the US equivalent is the XBR model and looking at them I might have given a slight edge to it. I didn't have the time or desire to fool with settings though. Were I using my own money to purchase them... I'd be waiting for the next iteration of the XBRs (not sure what your model will be called) as they will be 1080p and have 2 hdmi inputs among other improvments I'm sure.

If you can justify the cost and have the patience I'd probably wait. If I had to make a decision now, I'd go with the s2000 as I don't think the difference justifies the $$ difference.

HOw good is the SD PQ on this TV ? I know most HDTV LCD"s don't display SDTV properly, but how does 40S2000 perform??

I am planning to get this TV from Amazon. Can I get extended warranty from Sony or shd i get it from Amazon itself ?

I just got the Sony KDL-40S2000 today and tested it with the HD chanels, They look great!, SD chanels?!....geez...Is there some way in getting a better picture??, And I dunno what to do in my case.... ALL my dvds look like CRAP... they look like if i where watching bootleg movies or similar. I've tried everything.... component, s-video, normal setup with the 3 basic colored wires and coaxil cable and NONE of them seam to make the picture quality better. I dont know what to do?!?!?! I've tested the set on my old xbox and it looks good, so basically I can only watch the tv good only if its a game or if its HD, If there is some one who can help me and tell me what to do or what to buy, it would be greatly apreciated :confused:

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I have the 40S2000 myself and it takes a good amount of experimenting and tweaking the display settings to get the most out of the TV. SD channels will never look as good as a standard tube TV, but i noticed that if i changed my cable box to display analog SD channels in 480p, the quality did improve somewhat. Also use the "wide zoom" screen function so it does not compress and squeeze the image as much. DVD's look great on mine so im not sure what the problem is there for you. Go through the display settings and see what you can do... i learned that putting the power saver option on "low" improved the black quality for dvd's.

I have the 40S2000 myself and it takes a good amount of experimenting and tweaking the display settings to get the most out of the TV. SD channels will never look as good as a standard tube TV, but i noticed that if i changed my cable box to display analog SD channels in 480p, the quality did improve somewhat. Also use the "wide zoom" screen function so it does not compress and squeeze the image as much. DVD's look great on mine so im not sure what the problem is there for you. Go through the display settings and see what you can do... i learned that putting the power saver option on "low" improved the black quality for dvd's.

Could you post your settings? I'm gonna be receiving a 46s2000 soon and would like to see how others have it optimized.

anybody can comment on the black levels in s2000 vs the xbr vs the standard pani plasma?
thanx

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=676065

Can you guys check out that thread and please please help me out. I have the 40S2000 and cannot get it to display the 1368x768 resolution from my computer via DVI-HDMI cable...

What the hell?!?!

Anybody else having this problem?

anybody can comment on the black levels in s2000 vs the xbr vs the standard pani plasma?
thanx

If you do a little reading through the xbr and this thread you should find your answer. AVSForum has a search function too.

Some people say the xbr has better blacks than the s2000. I couldn't really tell.

Plasmas will have better blacks.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=676065

Can you guys check out that thread and please please help me out. I have the 40S2000 and cannot get it to display the 1368x768 resolution from my computer via DVI-HDMI cable...

What the hell?!?!

Anybody else having this problem?
It only supports that resolution via the VGA port.

What will provide me with a better quality picture through my PC, 1368x768 via VGA or 1152x648 via HDMI-DVI?

What will provide me with a better quality picture through my PC, 1368x768 via VGA or 1152x648 via HDMI-DVI?

You should use VGA with a resolution of 1360x768 (resolutions must be a multiple of 16). That will give you 1-to-1 pixel mapping after you use the "Auto Adjustment" feature. The 1152x648 resolution will result in rescaling and reduce your picture quality. Hope this helps!

FYI, I had posted this to the hdbeat web site (com) which had a question about 1366x768 resolution. If you have a cable box, set it to 1080i except when watching FOX, ESPN, or ABC:

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I recently purchased a 32" LCD with 1366 x 768 resolution (Sony KDL-32S2000). I am kind of annoyed that I can't turn off the HD overscan, even after searching through the service menu. For the most part, I have my cable box output at 1080i rather than 720p for 2 reasons:

1. Most HD content available today is 1080i. I'd rather only downscale/deinterlace from 1080i -> 768p than have to downscale then upscale from 1080i -> 720p -> 768p. If I am watching something on abc, fox, or espn then I can manually change the comcast cable box to watch this program. They unfortunately do not allow HD passthrough, another annoyance.

2. Since there is overscan (2.75% according to the cnet review), 720p content is really scaled from approx 1245x700 whereas 1080i is about 1867x1021 (or even less, depending on the horizontal resolution).

I do notice that the image appears sharper when watching 1080i content.
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I just bought KDL-40S2000 yesterday. I was thinking about 46" at first. But, 1080p version of 46" will come out soon. Believe me 1080p 46" & 768p 46" are totally different! (My friend who was at 2006 CES said so !!! He's working at samsung LCD.)

why 40"??? I think 40" is the one that we find little difference between 768p & 1080p because of small screen size <--- my reason for buying 40" haha funny????

why sony over samsung? price(I had kickass CC coupon) & QAM tuner
Lots of people say PQ of Samsung 4092D looks better, but I think 40S2000's color looks more natural to me.

I'm happy with this 40s2000's PQ.

Does anyone use S2000 with Upconvert DVD player? such as HS75 dvd player with HDMI???
Does it really upgrade PQ over regular DVD player?

Just got my 46" last Thursday.
Out of the box the thing looked kinda crazy. Colors were through the roof.
The first thing I did was put the set into Custom mode and run a full ISF calibration on it.
I was able to get the black level spot on.
Color was REALLY close.
White balance was just about perfect.
Sharpness is really good.
Motion is O.K. on my Digital Cable box and great on my DVD player.

I have just installed mine, have separate thread showing hutch project and installation, but I have a question relating to component video hookups. The JVC DVD player / VHS combo unit implies with a message on the top portion of the component video connection page to "Be sure to connect the unit's VIDEO OUTPUT (DVD/VCR) connector to the TV's VIDEO input connector." I don't know what that means, is it saying to have an RCA video cable connected in addition to the component cables?

Here are some screenshots from the KDL32S2000:

http://www.PhotoShare.co.nz/PhotoShareGallery1/100620/102158/SonyKDL32S20005-14-060007a6549_M.jpg

http://www.PhotoShare.co.nz/PhotoShareGallery1/100620/102158/SonyKDL32S20005-14-060006a7459_M.jpg

http://www.PhotoShare.co.nz/PhotoShareGallery1/100620/102158/SonyKDL32S20005-13-060006a5875.jpg

Just got an 40S2000 at BB, using both DVI & Component. DVI is better for moving image clarity. But component just looks better to me. Im happy with the Vivid setting out of the box. i'v noticed that when the screen is 25% black the black color looks like it "shifting" goes in and out of focus, looks shiny then dull then shiny. Overall awsome for xbox(origional) gaming.

Can anyone comment on OTA digital picture quality in scenes with motion? I notice significant noise/artifacts/breakup in the scene just in the high motion areas. I have a 32" s2000 and it's noticeable when viewing from 5' or less. It's not a defect because I had the set replaced (for other reasons) and I saw it on both. I had a Sharp D6U and did not see these motion effects.

I am keen on buying a Sony LCD (most likley 32" we have a small living room) and love the XBR model available now, but I'am not in a real hurry and money is a factor for me (I can't just buy the latest and greatest over and over) so I was wondering if anyone can give me an idea of what may come out this Summer or Fall 2006 that might add to the current 32 (or maybe 40) inch XBR LCD TV from Sony feature wise?

Thanks in Advance

The Bravia line is out now in 26, 32, 40, & 46 inches. I just got the KDL-46S2000 and am very happy with it. In fact it replaced my 42" Philips Plasma. After calibrating it with AVIA I must say it equals if not surpasses the plasma in many respects. The blacks are not as deep but they are pretty close. The prices have fallen dramatically, you can find the 46" from a reputable online authorized dealer for 1k under MSRP


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Do you know if you can adjust the Picture controls when you have something hooked up through VGA? On most tv's, all you can adjust are contrast and brightness, the color options are blocked out.

Doug

I think the OP was asking about any NEW XBR lines coming out this year. I'm curious about this as well.

Sony has said very little (http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/television/microdisplay/release/20431.html) about specific plans for the U.S. market this fall. But speculation based on Sony's releases in Europe and Japan indicate the following:

S-series "S2000" models in stores now will carry on through next spring.

V-series 720p XBRs will be rebranded as "V2000" and will be largely the same as the current XBRs, although they may add a 46-inch set. Minor cosmetic changes such as a new stand, and in the U.K. they changed the speaker cover to plastic instead of fabric.

X-series will be the new XBR line with "floating glass" design and 1080p panels. Will be 46-inch and perhaps 40- and 52-inch.

V-series 720p XBRs will be rebranded as "V2000" and will be largely the same as the current XBRs, although they may add a 46-inch set. Minor cosmetic changes such as a new stand, and in the U.K. they changed the speaker cover to plastic instead of fabric.

This is incorrect. The V2000 series uses the bravia engine for video processing, instead of the old wega engine.

http://shop.sonystyle-europe.com/SonyStyle/b2c/init.do?shop=SST_GB_EN

Some of the posted settings in here seem way off. I have the KDL-32S2000 and have used Avia to set it up the best I can. I see no reason why one of the posters has the backlight all the way up. That is basically the opposite of what you want to do with an LCD tv. Also the contrast should never be set at max since it ruins any detail in the image. Anything over 80 has obvious negative affects. Finally, the black corrector, contrast enhancer, and light sensor just ruin the quality of the picture. Sharpness between 10 and 20 seems to fix every problem in that area as well. Starting from these points, I think most posters would be able to develop a much nicer picture.

Whats with all these companies ditching the 30-37" customers? Panasonic isn't bringing the 37" 600u to the states and Sony, according to Case, won't have a 32" version of its new XBR line.

I know "bigger is better," but living space doesn't increase with technology.

And what is "floating glass" design?

I kind of liked the Sony floating glass design, glad they are bringing it back. Some of Sony's Plasmas had it. There is a clear translucent border around the screen area, looks like the TV image is floating in air, or at least suspended inside a window. Even some the of the LED indicator lights were in this clear border, looked suspended in air, it looked great to me, but Sony Plasma prices were sky high too.

Wow, it's a little surprising to hear people say this is better than the XBR. I mean the S2000 is nice but better than the XBR? Are people looking at the right sets when they walk in the store? Looks like I should take a closer look at the S2000 the next time I walk in the store but I don't think my assessment is going to change. However having said that I don't think the XBR destroys the S2000.

For people that have the S2000 how does it handle SD programming? If it does a fair job I might just put this set on the radar considering its price. But boy I keep thinking about the XBR and how the picture just pops!

Can anyone comment on OTA digital picture quality in scenes with motion? I notice significant noise/artifacts/breakup in the scene just in the high motion areas. I have a 32" s2000 and it's noticeable when viewing from 5' or less. It's not a defect because I had the set replaced (for other reasons) and I saw it on both. I had a Sharp D6U and did not see these motion effects.

You will see artifacting / blocking when there is motion, and more of it on cable and dish feeds than OTA, my understanding. I don't see much of it on my 32S2000, very little in fact but I'm only using OTA feeds. When the action is really fast, I see it momentarily but I'm at a distance of 6 ft and the image looks really good.

Services compress the signals in order to squeeze more channels in to their packages. The more comression, the more artifacting / noise there will be. I don't understand about the Sharp, I really doubt if there's a difference. But there might be some distinction between the processors which might interpret the signals differently. It was my understanding that with digital TV and compression schemes that this was the nature of the beast. One advantage of 720p over 1080i.

Some of the posted settings in here seem way off. I have the KDL-32S2000 and have used Avia to set it up the best I can. I see no reason why one of the posters has the backlight all the way up. That is basically the opposite of what you want to do with an LCD tv. Also the contrast should never be set at max since it ruins any detail in the image. Anything over 80 has obvious negative affects. Finally, the black corrector, contrast enhancer, and light sensor just ruin the quality of the picture. Sharpness between 10 and 20 seems to fix every problem in that area as well. Starting from these points, I think most posters would be able to develop a much nicer picture.

I would agree with these comments, and with my OTA reception and the networks, I've been able to keep the sharpness at 26-28 with no concerns. I've been using the contrast enhancer on low and also the light sensor, they seem to be a net plus but will re-check the light sensor again.

When do the XBRs typically come out? What did last years 32" come out at (MSRP)?

For people that have the S2000 how does it handle SD programming? If it does a fair job I might just put this set on the radar considering its price. But boy I keep thinking about the XBR and how the picture just pops!

It does SD channels alright. Looks better if you set your cable box to display SD channels in 480p, but you still get a stretched and pixelated picture over a standard non-widescreen tube TV. My run of the mill 27" wega tube TV still looks much better for SD, but the S2000 is much superior for HD, DVD and gaming systems.

What is are the dimensions of the actual screen on a 32" widescreen?

A 32 tv will normally have around 31.5 inch viewing area.

I would agree with these comments, and with my OTA reception and the networks, I've been able to keep the sharpness at 26-28 with no concerns. I've been using the contrast enhancer on low and also the light sensor, they seem to be a net plus but will re-check the light sensor again.


You stated before you performed a full ISF calibration with your set. Which equipment did you use, and what are your settings at this point. Also, did you stick to the basic adjustments or use the service menu to tweak the greyscale?
Thanks for your settings when you do manage to post them.

The Bravia line is out now in 26, 32, 40, & 46 inches. I just got the KDL-46S2000 and am very happy with it. In fact it replaced my 42" Philips Plasma. After calibrating it with AVIA I must say it equals if not surpasses the plasma in many respects.Just got my 46" last Thursday.
Out of the box the thing looked kinda crazy. Colors were through the roof.
The first thing I did was put the set into Custom mode and run a full ISF calibration on it.Some of the posted settings in here seem way off. I have the KDL-32S2000 and have used Avia to set it up the best I can.


Could one of you, if not all post your settings that you achieved with these calibration tools?

My settings on KDL 32S-2000 using component video input:

Backlight: 3
Picture: 80
Brightness: 32
Color: 45
Hue: G3
Color Temp: Warm2
Sharpness: 10
Noise Reduction: Low
Advanced Settings:
Everything off besides
Live Color: Medium
MPEG Noise Reduction: Low

Id like to see others who have done a decent calibration post their settings as wel, especially the guy claiming to have performed the ISF calibration.l

I am a new owner of a 40S2000 bravia lcd purchased this weekend. I would also like to see what calibrations people are using in regards to this TV... i am VERY excited as this is my first TV ever bought. I got a great deal on it and couldn't pass it up.

Picked up a sony 40s2000 yesterday and it's a beaut.Would like to hear if there are any pointers as far as proper settings.I've played with it quite a bit and think i have it set.regardless would like to compare settings to see how close i am.

I've been looking into getting one of these tv's myself and am wondering if you have watched sports on it yet. I'm mostly concerned about pixelation while watching fast moving images. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

actually watched the Heat against Pistons today.Had alot of people (daughters friends) and it looked awesome.Had it on 720p. Cant wait for the football season.

Whelp... I just got my 46S2000 yesterday. Let me say... I'm impressed. I did win this so I guess it is hard for me to comment on its value vs. other LCD tvs.

I had a couple options including a Toshiba 42" Plasma, a Sony 55" LCD RPTV, and a couple Tosiba DLPs. I must say I'm really glad I made this selection. I spent a lot of time comparing the listed options as well as other LCDs to the 46S2000.

I guess I'm just weighing in on some of the general conversation XBR vs S2000 vs Plasma vs whatever. Seems like around here there is something like *cough* rooster *cough* measuring around here. Trashing this TV or that TV. If you're afraid of the black levels of an LCD from the people at AVSForum... don't be. If you like the way the TV looks in the store... well... that is exactly how this S2000 looks at home. I'm sure plasmas are nice too but in the end let your eye be the judge.

I'll post my settings soon. The reds are a little intense for me right now so I gotta figure out how to work that out. Otherwise the picture is GREAT with HD and DVD. It is good enough for standard def.

Wow, it's a little surprising to hear people say this is better than the XBR. I mean the S2000 is nice but better than the XBR? Are people looking at the right sets when they walk in the store? Looks like I should take a closer look at the S2000 the next time I walk in the store but I don't think my assessment is going to change. However having said that I don't think the XBR destroys the S2000.


I've had them both set side-by-side in the store and spent nearly an hour tweaking both. You can get the s2000 to look 95% as good as the XBR. The (imho) 5% difference is the XBR's ability to produce slightly more vivid colors and blacks.

You will see artifacting / blocking when there is motion, and more of it on cable and dish feeds than OTA, my understanding. I don't see much of it on my 32S2000, very little in fact but I'm only using OTA feeds. When the action is really fast, I see it momentarily but I'm at a distance of 6 ft and the image looks really good.

Services compress the signals in order to squeeze more channels in to their packages. The more comression, the more artifacting / noise there will be. I don't understand about the Sharp, I really doubt if there's a difference. But there might be some distinction between the processors which might interpret the signals differently. It was my understanding that with digital TV and compression schemes that this was the nature of the beast. One advantage of 720p over 1080i.

My only HD source is OTA. Isn't it true that the only time the set is uncompressing the signal is with OTA? When using satellite or cable I was under the impression that the external box uncompresses the signal which is then sent at full bandwidth to the set over component or HDMI.

Unfortunately, I don't have the Sharp anymore to do a side by side comparison. I will eventually get a satellite HD feed and it will be interesting to see if there is a difference. The image does look great at my normal viewing distance of 8-10'.

My only HD source is OTA. Isn't it true that the only time the set is uncompressing the signal is with OTA? When using satellite or cable I was under the impression that the external box uncompresses the signal which is then sent at full bandwidth to the set over component or HDMI.

Unfortunately, I don't have the Sharp anymore to do a side by side comparison. I will eventually get a satellite HD feed and it will be interesting to see if there is a difference. The image does look great at my normal viewing distance of 8-10'.AFAIK, OTA HD needs no "uncompressing" as it is not compressed in the first place.

I have a question. I read somewhere that the XBR's have a cold cathobe tube similar to the Samsung 4092D's, and that they produce richer color because of that...and I also read that the S2000 series also have the same Cold Cathobe tube...is this true?? because I cant find it mentioned anywhere on the Sonystyle website, neither for the XBR nor the S2000....

I have a question. I read somewhere that the XBR's have a cold cathobe tube similar to the Samsung 4092D's, and that they produce richer color because of that...and I also read that the S2000 series also have the same Cold Cathobe tube...is this true?? because I cant find it mentioned anywhere on the Sonystyle website, neither for the XBR nor the S2000....

Sonystyle's website does list the XBR's as having WCG-CCFL (Wide Color Gamut-CCFL backlight). The S series does not have WCG-CCFL listed as a feature.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=tv_hdtv_flatpanel_26to42&Dept=tvvideo

Why in the world would the XBRs not be 1080p? Sony is really lagging behind.

Why in the world would the XBRs not be 1080p? Sony is really lagging behind.

This is last year's model. The new XBR's will be 1080p. I'm surprised your unaware of this since you have posted in the new CES Sony thread. Maybe this late at night your 'mind' might be lagging behind. :p

any comments on the 46 incher. it 's price have dropped substantlly. any reason why?
any problems with this set?

Sonystyle's website does list the XBR's as having WCG-CCFL (Wide Color Gamut-CCFL backlight). The S series does not have WCG-CCFL listed as a feature.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=tv_hdtv_flatpanel_26to42&Dept=tvvideo


You are absolutely right.....my bad!

any comments on the 46 incher. it 's price have dropped substantlly. any reason why?
any problems with this set?
10% price drop

AFAIK, OTA HD needs no "uncompressing" as it is not compressed in the first place.

OTA transmissions are compressed using MPEG-2.

What happen to the people posting the settings

Looks like there's a separate thread for that.

Looks like there's a separate thread for that.
link

anyone buy this set yet? looking for feedback....

anyone buy this set yet? looking for feedback....
From people who posted before you said there's no big difference between the 40" and 46" .

anyone buy this set yet? looking for feedback....
I found this

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=626368

I'm really close to purchasing the 32" S2000, my only concern seems to be the display of Standard Definition programming.

I realize that SD isnt going to look great on these types of displays, but is the quality significantly worse than other brands of the same size?

It really is down to this Sony and the Samsung LN-S3251D and the Sharp LC-32D40U.

Anyone want to offer an opinion on these sets?

I'm really close to purchasing the 32" S2000, my only concern seems to be the display of Standard Definition programming.

I realize that SD isnt going to look great on these types of displays, but is the quality significantly worse than other brands of the same size?

It really is down to this Sony and the Samsung LN-S3251D and the Sharp LC-32D40U.

Anyone want to offer an opinion on these sets?
Dont buy the 32d40u . Its made by Orion which is knock-off company who make Tv for companys for cheap . So its 1600 tv with terrible components in it . Even though the picture is nice dont get it . With the Sony & Sammy go with what your eye likes . I like both of them .

I'm really close to purchasing the 32" S2000, my only concern seems to be the display of Standard Definition programming.

I realize that SD isnt going to look great on these types of displays, but is the quality significantly worse than other brands of the same size?

It really is down to this Sony and the Samsung LN-S3251D and the Sharp LC-32D40U.

Anyone want to offer an opinion on these sets?

I have the 32" S2000. I think the SD quality is comparable to the other brands. They all look fair if you get up close, but if you view from more than 6-8', they look pretty good.

Sony kicks ass with SD content. They have the best engines and deinterlacers in the business.

I assume that the new 32" 100M monitor, which lacks the tuner, has exactly the same PQ as the S2000, or are there other differences Sony isn't revealing? I don't need the tuner, so spending the extra $ makes no sense.

I assume that the new 32" 100M monitor, which lacks the tuner, has exactly the same PQ as the S2000, or are there other differences Sony isn't revealing? I don't need the tuner, so spending the extra $ makes no sense.

I too didn't need a tuner, but the 100M listed on SonyStyle has the older PVA display while the S2000 has the S-PVA. My wife and I are really happy with our 32S2000 and its display of SD programming. We spent a month with a 32D40U before it and are so much more pleased with the Sony. Fortunately the Sony price drops came during our 30-days-from-purchase period and combining that with a 10% off coupon made for a great deal even from a B&M store.

There's just one thing that bugs me about it: that dang TV/video selector. Cycling through the choices is a pain in the butt because it take a few seconds on each one before you can go to the next one! You can skip all the ones you aren't using, with the exception of the TV input (which we aren't using!). But with TiVo (S-Video), VCR (Composite), DVD (Component), HD Cable (HDMI), and my Mac (VGA) all connected to this beast, it takes quite a while to go from one to another! With the Sharp, I could just hit TV/video, then press a number for the one I wanted. They simply overlooked this.

-Gene

Sounds good Gene and I also was looking at the 32d40u but I heard where they got built at .

I too didn't need a tuner, but the 100M listed on SonyStyle has the older PVA display while the S2000 has the S-PVA. My wife and I are really happy with our 32S2000 and its display of SD programming. We spent a month with a 32D40U before it and are so much more pleased with the Sony. -Gene
Thanks, Gene - I spoke with a Sony rep who should have known, but was in the dark about the 100M. Costco here in Edmonton will be carrying it next week, so I'll try it anyway, and if it doesn't fill the bill I'll take it back. Or, considering that TV viewing in our household drops dramatically in the summer, it might be best to wait for a bit...

The user manual for the 32S2000 indicates that it does support QAM, but includes a distinction of ANSI/SCTE 07 2000. The specs listing on the Sony web site lists ATSC, but not QAM while the XBR1 equivalent model lists "clear QAM". What's the difference? I ask because I'm having a bit of trouble picking up my high def locals via my new 32S2000. During the digital scan (the one that indicates it could take up to 50 minutes), it finds a bunch of our digital music stations and a couple of other obscure digital stations, but I'm not getting the digital equivalents of my regular locals. This is with Insight Cable in Northern Kentucky.

I'm a bit worried that the difference in how the QAM capabilities are listed between the two models means a significant difference and might be the reason I'm not picking up my high def locals. Any ideas? Are any of you picking up your high def locals on your S2000 displays? If the S2000 doesn't but the XBR1 does, it might be just enough of a deal breaker for us. We're just far enough away that trying to get all of them OTA can be a pain in the butt (been there, done that).

I'm a bit worried that the difference in how the QAM capabilities are listed between the two models means a significant difference and might be the reason I'm not picking up my high def locals. Any ideas? Are any of you picking up your high def locals on your S2000 displays? If the S2000 doesn't but the XBR1 does, it might be just enough of a deal breaker for us. We're just far enough away that trying to get all of them OTA can be a pain in the butt (been there, done that).[/QUOTE]

I just picked up the KDL-40S20L1 at Costco yesterday. I think it is basically identical to the s2000. i hooked it up only to basic cable and am receiving about 10 HD channels incl. the major networks and TNT.

I'm a bit worried that the difference in how the QAM capabilities are listed between the two models means a significant difference and might be the reason I'm not picking up my high def locals. Any ideas? Are any of you picking up your high def locals on your S2000 displays? If the S2000 doesn't but the XBR1 does, it might be just enough of a deal breaker for us. We're just far enough away that trying to get all of them OTA can be a pain in the butt (been there, done that).

I just picked up the KDL-40S20L1 at Costco yesterday. I think it is basically identical to the s2000. i hooked it up only to basic cable and am receiving about 10 HD channels incl. the major networks and TNT.

See my post at the thread below:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7752637

Just got a Sharp LCD and comparing its QAM vs my Sony SXRD. It doesn't get some HD channels at the channel #s' as the Sony and 2 channels actually have the stations reversed in content between the two sets! Comcast is sending me a listing of all their digital channels and what subaddress they are on (eg 116.1) so I can verify which set is right. Since the Sharp is brand new model, I'm thinking they have a problem.

I'm really close to purchasing the 32" S2000, my only concern seems to be the display of Standard Definition programming.

I realize that SD isnt going to look great on these types of displays, but is the quality significantly worse than other brands of the same size?

It really is down to this Sony and the Samsung LN-S3251D and the Sharp LC-32D40U.

Anyone want to offer an opinion on these sets?

I bought the LN-S3251D at first and I do have to say it is a sleek looking TV. Not to mention the picture looked nice on HD and SD Programming. In the end though I took it back, mainly because I originally wanted the 32s2000. I think the 32s2000 has just as good of a picture if not better. The big point I liked about the 32s2000 is that it has a QAM tuner. The samsung did not and it is very hard to use in antenna even in the middle of town here as reception is bad. I like the menu features on the Sony a lot more as it seems you can tweak so much more. The only downside is the Sony has 1 HDMI input, however, switch boxes are being made to subvert this. Additionally if you ever plan on hooking this TV up to a Stereo receiver, chances are that you can just use the receiver as and HDMI switcher (if the receiver is newer of course).

I would use your eye and go to a couple of different stores. Make your choice and if your not happy you can always return it as long as you buy it from a Brick and Mortar store.

I'm a bit worried that the difference in how the QAM capabilities are listed between the two models means a significant difference and might be the reason I'm not picking up my high def locals. Any ideas? Are any of you picking up your high def locals on your S2000 displays? If the S2000 doesn't but the XBR1 does, it might be just enough of a deal breaker for us. We're just far enough away that trying to get all of them OTA can be a pain in the butt (been there, done that).

I have no problem picking up the local HD channels in my area over QAM. Perhaps it is a signal issue? Unlike SD programming, HD programming requires a certain signal strength at which it will come in perfect or not at all, there is no in between. I would try another channel scan. If that doesnt work I would try to find someone else who has a Sony in the area. If you cannot do either of these perhaps you somehow have a defective QAM tuner.

Sony kicks ass with SD content. They have the best engines and deinterlacers in the business.

Sony is average in this department from my experience. That's why I use a DVDO VP-30 external scaler with my KDL-46S2000. Major improvement watching SD and DVDs with the DVDO.


CD

Sony is average in this department from my experience. That's why I use a DVDO VP-30 external scaler with my KDL-46S2000. Major improvement watching SD and DVDs with the DVDO.


CD

It better be a major improvement for 2 grand....

I don't think anyone was comparing the abilities of a sony lcd tv to an expensive external scaler. I'm pretty sure they were comparing a sony TV to say... a samsung TV.

I had trouble getting feedback from my thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=680095), so I'll try here.

Does anybody else notice significant ghosting with this TV in games and fast moving shows? I notice it especially with black and darker colors. I know ghosting is a pretty subjective thing and some people are more sensitive to it than others.

Does anybody else notice significant ghosting with this TV in games and fast moving shows? I notice it especially with black and darker colors. I know ghosting is a pretty subjective thing and some people are more sensitive to it than others.

I was seen the same thing as you with black colors. After i lower sharpness all the way down it seem to go away. My ultimate reason for goin with this tv over the Samsung 51D was because you can remove alot of picture enhanments that can slow the tv's prosessing. DNIe on the other hand, you cant remove it. Before i learn about lowering the sharpness, I did notice black color trails while watching without a trace on local HD, but while watching the Mets, Csi and SNL there were no trail issues which leads me to believe it might had been some network delay. Does anyone else seen black trails while watching some shows in 1080i?

I just picked up the 46" while I wait for my Panny 58 to come in. Couldn't take not having a TV in the living room anymore. I'm watching X-Men on it right now, and everything looks good to me. But I don't have a discerning eye like a lot of you.

Just curious. I plan on mounting the 58 on the wall when I get it. Are wall mounts universal? And are these flat panels easy to mount? If so, I'd like to mount this 46 first and than just swap it out with the 58 when it comes in. I'd rather not have to buy a separate mount for the 46 and 58. Because I plan on just sitting the 46 on my desk in my home office eventually.

I just picked up the 46" while I wait for my Panny 58 to come in. Couldn't take not having a TV in the living room anymore. I'm watching X-Men on it right now, and everything looks good to me. But I don't have a discerning eye like a lot of you.

Just curious. I plan on mounting the 58 on the wall when I get it. Are wall mounts universal? And are these flat panels easy to mount? If so, I'd like to mount this 46 first and than just swap it out with the 58 when it comes in. I'd rather not have to buy a separate mount for the 46 and 58. Because I plan on just sitting the 46 on my desk in my home office eventually.Or you could just do as I did and mount the 46" in your yacht....you do have a yacht, don't you? :cool:

Or you could just do as I did and mount the 46" in your yacht....you do have a yacht, don't you? :cool:

:eek:

yeah, parked in my 5'X5' backyard. I can't even afford my tiny house. :rolleyes:

But when it comes to buying toys, gotta do it. Only live once. When will the day come when I can consider a yacht a toy.

anyone buy this set yet? looking for feedback....


I just bought the set and I'm very satisfied. Price was right and I did not think the wait or price increase was worth waiting the summer out for 1080 P sets. I will say that a 2nd HDMI input would have been a real plus though. LDL

Guys, I bought the s2000 bravia and am wondering if mine is defective. I tried hooking a ps2 to it through the component cables and it looks HORRIBLE. There's a setting to set the game to 1080i and the result is barely tolerable, much less anything to actually enjoy. The screen shows not only horizontal lines but verticle ones as well - it ends up looking like I'm watching the game through a screen door. Also, when viewing dvds with a standard dvd player that doesn't upconvert but does have 480p, the image looks pathetic.

Do these tvs have some kind of built in technology that handles upconversion. If so, does it sound like mine is screwed up or is this just how the tv is?

This does not sound right, however, PQ is all subjective. I would go back to where you bought it and ask them to hook the TV up to a DVD player there to see if it is all the TVs not just yours. Otherwise you could always return it.

I bit the bullet on the 32" of this television as a work-out room display. I couldn't be happier.

I have a 53" Hitachi wide-screen CRT with a great picture in the living...and I want to move into the work-out room for watching television now.

For the price, this thing was a steal.

Guys, I bought the s2000 bravia and am wondering if mine is defective. I tried hooking a ps2 to it through the component cables and it looks HORRIBLE. There's a setting to set the game to 1080i and the result is barely tolerable, much less anything to actually enjoy. The screen shows not only horizontal lines but verticle ones as well - it ends up looking like I'm watching the game through a screen door. Also, when viewing dvds with a standard dvd player that doesn't upconvert but does have 480p, the image looks pathetic.

Do these tvs have some kind of built in technology that handles upconversion. If so, does it sound like mine is screwed up or is this just how the tv is?
That doesnt sound right cause my 32S2000 looks amazing on my 360 .

First post - please be gentle with me...

Anyone know if the S2000 accepts native 768 input? The manual specifies 480/720/1080 for HDMI and component, but wouldn't it be optimal to feed the display with its native resolution and avoid multiple scalings?

Specifically I'm wondering if I should go out of my way to get a Momitsu DVD player (or something similar) that'll output 768 as opposed to 720.

Thanks.

BK

Sony dropped some of the prices as much as $500.00

SonyStyle (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_BrowseCatalog-Start?CategoryName=tv_hdtv_flatpanel_26to42&Dept=tvvideo)

Yeah but its still cheaper to buy from a reseller . Like Jr , BB , CC , and etc.

Does anyone know where I can view the 46" Bravia LCD in Florida, preferably near Orlando?


Thanks,

Does anyone know where I can view the 46" Bravia LCD in Florida, preferably near Orlando?


Thanks,

I'm guessing BB and CircuitCity don't have these on display?? Maybe a Sears store as they carry these TVs as well.

I just picked up a KDL-40S2000, and I'm having a problem. I have a Comcast cable box (HDTV compatible) and when I hook it up using the components, all the channels come in with black bars on the side (essentially 4:3 format). The feature that allows you to adjust the size of the picture won't work. However, when I hook up the cable box using a coax cable (lower picture quality), I'm able to get the picture to fill up the entire screen ("full"). Has anyone else had this problem and been able to solve it?

Why not hook it up using the HDMI port? That's the preferred method. The latest comcast box should have one too. Even if it doesnt, there's DVI to HDMI cables out there.
You also need HD service, and to be watching a HD channel.

If check on all this, its going to just be a settings/hookup issue. Make sure you're outputting 1080i or 720p. I'm sure the TV is fine.

I just picked up a KDL-40S2000, and I'm having a problem. I have a Comcast cable box (HDTV compatible) and when I hook it up using the components, all the channels come in with black bars on the side (essentially 4:3 format). The feature that allows you to adjust the size of the picture won't work. However, when I hook up the cable box using a coax cable (lower picture quality), I'm able to get the picture to fill up the entire screen ("full"). Has anyone else had this problem and been able to solve it?

If for some reason that feature doesnt work, you should still be able to fill the screen with regular channels using the zoom on the TV.

Thanks for responding to my post, Azanon. I have ordered an HDMI cord, so hopefully that will resolve the issue. You are correct that the Comcast box has an HDMI port. I apparently have HD service, as I get the HD Comcast stations (I called to confirm that I have HD service and was told that, if I have the channels, I have the service).

Would you care to share the settings you use on your set?

Thanks for responding to my post, Azanon. I have ordered an HDMI cord, so hopefully that will resolve the issue. You are correct that the Comcast box has an HDMI port. I apparently have HD service, as I get the HD Comcast stations (I called to confirm that I have HD service and was told that, if I have the channels, I have the service).

Would you care to share the settings you use on your set?

Your best bet is to hook up the components again and tune to PBS which is always playing in widescreen format (most of the programs are in HD too) and you should have this channel regardless of your programming package . This will be a good gauge, as daytime programming from NBC CBS etc are not in HD and you will see bars on either side of your screen.

What STB Box do you have?? YOu should be able to find the model number on a sticker on the back or bottom.

I just picked up a KDL-40S2000, and I'm having a problem. I have a Comcast cable box (HDTV compatible) and when I hook it up using the components, all the channels come in with black bars on the side (essentially 4:3 format). The feature that allows you to adjust the size of the picture won't work. However, when I hook up the cable box using a coax cable (lower picture quality), I'm able to get the picture to fill up the entire screen ("full"). Has anyone else had this problem and been able to solve it?


Its probably the box. i have Comcast boxes also.

The box can change output based on signal. i.e. HD channels will be fullscreen, and SD channels will display at either 480, 720 or 'Stretch', depending on settings. im guessing yours is at 480 or 720, and you want it to stretch to fullscreen.

push the power button on the box to turn it off, then you should be able to hit the Menu button on the front of it to get to the cable box setup.

In addition, make sure that the HD channel is broadcasting in HD. If you're watching the Apprentice on NBC for instance, you're going to have black bars on the sides, because they aren't putting out widescreen HD. Where as the regular analog channel will appear to have a full screen picture.

Just purchased a KDL-40S2000 and I love it! I am still tweaking some settings but so far so good. I do have one question though.....should I allow the cable box to determine what format is diplayed or should I set the box to output HD channels in only 720P or only 1080i?

I just purchased a KDL-40S2000 and wow, this thing is gorgeous. I'm finding that i'm having a hard time improving on the default "standard" video setting. The vivd though is clearly an unnatural look. Anyway, it looks great on all of my digital TV, be it HD or SD. Since i use D* and digital locals from OTA, i dont have any analog TV so i cant comment on the supposed poor analog quality.

I'm using a DVI to HDMI cable for my connection since my STB is DVI. I did try component though and component looked great too.

I was wondering, does it serve any purpose to connect the coax from the "out to TV" on the STB to the VHF/UHF on the TV? It seems to work just fine just having the HDMI connection, and connecting my audio to my home theatre receiver. Its just that my STB manual shows that you should connect that coax too, and for the life of me, i cannot figure out what i'd need it for since my D* menu gets me to the channels I want to go to, including my digital locals.

Azanon

Just purchased a KDL-40S2000 and I love it! I am still tweaking some settings but so far so good. I do have one question though.....should I allow the cable box to determine what format is diplayed or should I set the box to output HD channels in only 720P or only 1080i?

I have a SA - 8300HD dvr box and a 46s2000 and I've had the best results setting 720p and 1080i to be enabled with 480i and 480p turned off (on the cable box's output). This way if the source is 720p the cable box doesn't screw around with things converting it to 1080i or vice-versa. Downside of this is the TV scrambles a little bit as it work to change the resolution. No big deal to me though.

I've found that I like Standard Definition pumped out at 720p or 1080i so thats why I don't set 480i or p on.

I thought setting everything to 1080i only also looked good and the night I turned both 720p and 1080i on... I *think* the 720p source looked better output at 720p than 1080i. I guess technically it should be better as the cablebox doesn't need to further alter the signal before it gets to the TV.

I'm doing this over component btw, I saw no visual benefit to HDMI... your mileage will vary though. I'm also saving the HDMI connection for an upconverting DVD.

Just my opinion on all of that... I have no hard facts for any of this. I'm new to the world of HD so if anyone wants to correct me on this they can.

My concern with S2000 is the PQ in SD? Would the XBR be any better?

On pricegrabber website is say that the KDL-32S2000 have format displayed specification of 768p while they shows the KDL-V32XBR1 at 480i,480p, and 720p. Does this mean that the XBR will diplay better picture quality in SD?

Hello. Has anyone experienced this? I have a YAMAHA YSP-800. The remote control (YSP-800) is programable, but Sony codes don´t work with this TV (Sony S2000 Bravia model). Please, anyone can me help?. Thanks.
Al.

My girlfriend is about to purchase a new flat panel TV. It's pretty much between the 40S2000 Sony LCD, and the 42" Panasonic Plasma. One of the biggest differences between LCD's and Plasmas is obviously contrast ratio. The Panny has a10,000:1 contrast ratio, and the Sony LCD's ratio is only 1300:1. I have seen Samsung LCD's with a 4000:1 contrast ratio. Why is the Sony's so low? I think we were set to go with the Sony until I noticed how low the contrast ratio is. I'm sure this was done for a reason, but I cannot figure out why. Any insight?

Go with your eye...not the stats.

That's the best insight ANYONE here can give you.

Between the Sony 40S2000 or the Samsung 4051, which one would you go with? I was told that they're both manufactured in the same plant due to a manufacturing partnership between Sony and Samsung, but for the money, the Samsungs give you better performance.

The new s2000 lcds are not samsung lcd panels like the previous xbr lcd panels were. Someone correct me if im wrong but im 99.99% sure -- jeff

Ok..so if they're not Samsung panels, are they better, or worse? Should I go with the Sony or the Samsung? The Sammy has 2 HDMI inputs, so that is pushing me in that direction.

Can someone please direct me to the thread where people are posting their settings? I am trying to get a calibration close to the ISF settings without actually doing it. Also, do I need to access the service menu to do this? If so, how do I do that?
Thanks!

Ok..so if they're not Samsung panels, are they better, or worse? Should I go with the Sony or the Samsung? The Sammy has 2 HDMI inputs, so that is pushing me in that direction.

I would not let the two HDMI inputs make your decision for you. I don't know if you plan on hooking this TV up to a audio receiver in the future but you can always get a receiver that has HDMI in for DVD TV etc while having one HDMI out to the TV, defeating the need for two HDMI inputs. I had the 3251d and returned it for the 32s2000. I like the QAM capability that the Sony provided as well as the menus on the Sony, there is a lot more to tinker with.

Rob360:

I don't think I can place a hyperlink because I don't have a lot of posts, but this is the name of the thread I found for settings.

(SETTINGS ONLY!!!) KDL-26S2000, KDL-32S2000, KDL-40S2000, and KDL-46S2000

Try doing a search of the forum with Settings and S2000. Good luck.

Why does QAM make much of a difference to me? Just curious...I don't know much about it. Also, my girlfriend is buying this TV, and she is not likely to connect it to a home theater receiver, so I figured the 2 HDMI inputs would be nice since she could connect her cable box and DVD player with a total of 2 cables. She hates a mess of cables, so this would make her happy.

thx samurai

Why does QAM make much of a difference to me? Just curious...I don't know much about it. If you have an HD set-top box, then you won't need QAM. However, if your STB has a DVR, then QAM would allow you to record one HD program via the DVR while you watch another "free" HD program in real-time via QAM. (If your STB has two tuners, then you could record two programs on the DVR and watch a third via QAM.) Or, if the HDTV has PIP, then a second HD program could be monitored via PIP while watching an HD program via the STB. (In any case, you will likely have to split the cable signal so that the STB and the cable input on the TV can receive programming at the same time.)

Can someone please direct me to the thread where people are posting their settings? I am trying to get a calibration close to the ISF settings without actually doing it. Also, do I need to access the service menu to do this? If so, how do I do that?
Thanks!

I think trying to cheap yourself on an ISF calibration will not do the set justice. Each panel has its own traits, and someone elses calibration will not be accurate on yours. It would be of your best interest to either call an ISF technician or look to cheaper and less accurate solutions (DVE/Avia or Spyder2Pro)

My new KDL46S2000 was delivered today and I'm very pleased with it. It's replacing my Panny TH42PX500U plasma that I had horrible problems (buzzing, picture distortions...I went through 3 sets and multiple repairs!). Best Buy let me return it and pick out a new TV even after nearly 1 full year since the original purchase date.

So far HDTV looks great, both through DirecTV and OTA locals. My Xbox 360 looks amazing, and SD channels look equivelant to my old Panny. And I still haven't really even played with any of the settings yet.

So far I'm loving the move from plasma to LCD tv. So if there's anyone out there thinking of buying this set I would say go for it! If anyone has any questions about the set feel free to post questions or PM me.

Rob360:

(SETTINGS ONLY!!!) KDL-26S2000, KDL-32S2000, KDL-40S2000, and KDL-46S2000



SETTINGS ONLY (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=681195&highlight=settings+s2000)

Sorry if I bring up a repeat topic, I reviewed the posts and did not see this topic covered.

Do the S2000 series have discrete remote codes for input selection, on/off, etc. such that setting up a universal remote will be easy?

I ask because I dont want my wife to have problems with one touch operations if the tv is left on the wrong input, etc. and the universal does not work properly.

Thanks.

Sorry if I bring up a repeat topic, I reviewed the posts and did not see this topic covered.

Do the S2000 series have discrete remote codes for input selection, on/off, etc. such that setting up a universal remote will be easy?

I ask because I dont want my wife to have problems with one touch operations if the tv is left on the wrong input, etc. and the universal does not work properly.

Thanks.

Yes, it will respond to discrete codes. I just purchased a 40S2000 and programmed L1 and L2 on my One-For-All 8810B remote to select Video 4 ad 5 respectively. I used the same discrete code list that I had with my older 32HV600 CRT based TV.

The remote included with the TV does not allow one button input selection but a good universal should work fine. I've got all the functions from the factory remote mapped to keys on my One-For-All plus a few discrete codes.

I am planning to replace my sceptre 42" buy the S2000 Bravia. Do you think this TV has better picture quality than the sceptre 42". I am not care much about audio.[EDIT]. Have you try that website?

Can someones post more HD images on the 32S200. I was initially going to buy the V32XBR1 but I really hate the styling.

Is this what you are asking for?

Yes, it will respond to discrete codes. I just purchased a 40S2000 and programmed L1 and L2 on my One-For-All 8810B remote to select Video 4 ad 5 respectively. I used the same discrete code list that I had with my older 32HV600 CRT based TV.

The remote included with the TV does not allow one button input selection but a good universal should work fine. I've got all the functions from the factory remote mapped to keys on my One-For-All plus a few discrete codes.

Can you please post such info, or where to find such info? Thanks for any help,
-Gene

Does the KDL32S2000 have a TV program guide showing the times/information of shows coming up? Thx!

I am buying a Sony Bravia KDL-S462000 LCD. To go with the Sony Bravia LCD, I would like to buy the Denon S301 Home Theater System. I CANNOT have wires from the front speakers to the rear speakers. Thus, my reasoning for the Denon system. I will be using Comcast Cable and upgrading to their High Definition Cable Box.

I am not sure how the HDMI ports work, or how many I need on either the LCD or the HTIB. The Sony Bravia LCD has one input, The Denon s301 does not not have an HDMI Input. What does this mean? Will I not be able to watch High Definition Cable, or will DVD's not upconvert? How do I hook everything up? What do I use?

Here is an excerpt from CNET:
--Just about the only areas where the Denon S-301 disappointed us were its lack of HDMI inputs and its inability to convert from analog video sources. That means you can't route any high-def video source, such as an HD cable or satellite box, through the system. Also, the S-301's HDMI output can't display any analog video source, such as a standard-def set-top box, a video game console, or a VCR, that uses one of the two A/V inputs. You'll need to toggle over to the composite, S-Video, or component connection instead. It's too bad--the inclusion of those features would have elevated the S-301 from merely excellent to spectacular.--

In very simplistic terms, like you would explain to a six year old, what does the above mean?

I am buying a Sony Bravia KDL-S462000 LCD. To go with the Sony Bravia LCD, I would like to buy the Denon S301 Home Theater System. I CANNOT have wires from the front speakers to the rear speakers. Thus, my reasoning for the Denon system. I will be using Comcast Cable and upgrading to their High Definition Cable Box.

I am not sure how the HDMI ports work, or how many I need on either the LCD or the HTIB. The Sony Bravia LCD has one input, The Denon s301 does not not have an HDMI Input. What does this mean? Will I not be able to watch High Definition Cable, or will DVD's not upconvert? How do I hook everything up? What do I use?

Here is an excerpt from CNET:
--Just about the only areas where the Denon S-301 disappointed us were its lack of HDMI inputs and its inability to convert from analog video sources. That means you can't route any high-def video source, such as an HD cable or satellite box, through the system. Also, the S-301's HDMI output can't display any analog video source, such as a standard-def set-top box, a video game console, or a VCR, that uses one of the two A/V inputs. You'll need to toggle over to the composite, S-Video, or component connection instead. It's too bad--the inclusion of those features would have elevated the S-301 from merely excellent to spectacular.--

In very simplistic terms, like you would explain to a six year old, what does the above mean?

I would assume your Comcast Box will have both a Component connection and an HDMI connection. I'm using their 3412 HD DVR cable box and it has both. I don't use the HDMI connection because the TV loses its picture when I switch between HD & SD channels or SD & HD channels. (I think it is a sync issue from changing from 720p to 480i) I don't have this problem when it is connected via the component connection.

As far as the receiver goes, you only need HDMI or component connections if you have more HDMI or component connections than your TV will support. Video inputs and outputs are only important if you want to the receiver to act as a video switch or you want to view your receiver's settings on your TV screen. (assuming the receiver will do this)

For example the 40S2000 has 2 component inputs, I've got the cable box, xbox, and DVD all with component outputs. Therefore I'm using the component switching capability of my receiver to switch between the DVD and Xbox. I've got my cable box and receiver connected to the TV's component inputs.

For sound you'll just need to connect your digital audio out on the cable box to your receiver. My cable box has both an optical and a coaxial digital out. As long as your receiver has one of these you'll be OK on the digital audio.

I_Stewart, thank you very much for the explanation. I really appreciate it.

Hi,

I just have an XBOX 360 and a PC connected to my KDL40s2000. I was wondering if anyone here knew a way of skipping the analog/digital channels when I cycle through the TV/Video inputs. I have disabled all the inputs using the menu, but I can;'t find a way to skip the channel tuner. (All inputs are skipped in the settings except 5 and 7, 360 and PC). It goes from 360 to pc, and then to analog and/or digital channels tuner. And since I have nothing connected, I see noise, and it slows down the switching noticeably.

If that isn't possible, maybe someone can suggest a different way for me to cycle between my 360 and PC in. That is input 5 and 7. I just want to be able to bounce between those two inputs.

Also, the center button in the ring, it always bring up the favorite channels menu when no menus are on the screen. Any way to reassign what that button does while the TV is just in view mode.

Thank you! :)

Hi,

I just have an XBOX 360 and a PC connected to my KDL40s2000. I was wondering if anyone here knew a way of skipping the analog/digital channels when I cycle through the TV/Video inputs. I have disabled all the inputs using the menu, but I can;'t find a way to skip the channel tuner. (All inputs are skipped in the settings except 5 and 7, 360 and PC). It goes from 360 to pc, and then to analog and/or digital channels tuner. And since I have nothing connected, I see noise, and it slows down the switching noticeably.

If that isn't possible, maybe someone can suggest a different way for me to cycle between my 360 and PC in. That is input 5 and 7. I just want to be able to bounce between those two inputs.

Also, the center button in the ring, it always bring up the favorite channels menu when no menus are on the screen. Any way to reassign what that button does while the TV is just in view mode.

Thank you! :)


I'm sure you probably want to do it without spending money, but an option is to get a new remote that is programmable, and you can set buttons to go strait to specific inputs. Im pretty sure the Logitech Harmony remotes can do this, may depend on the set though.. worth looking into, and they are sweet remotes.

I'm sure you probably want to do it without spending money, but an option is to get a new remote that is programmable, and you can set buttons to go strait to specific inputs. Im pretty sure the Logitech Harmony remotes can do this, may depend on the set though.. worth looking into, and they are sweet remotes.


Logitech Harmony remote works perfectly with this TV!

My Dell W3201C 32" LCD HDTV looks sharper then my Sony Bravia 32" Model KDL32S20L1.

I've got both connected to a comcast HD reciever via component cables. Watching the World Cup on both shows the Dell PQ out of the box to be sharper than the Sony. Not sure if I have to tweak the Sony pic, looking for comments on this.

I'm not sure if this surprises anyone but I was pretty shocked thinking my Sony would match or outperform the Dell, the remote from Sony sucks so much as well!

The Sony looks good, don't get me wrong but I could clearly see a PQ difference between the Dell and Sony in Standard mode as well versus HD broadcasts.

Would most of you agree regarding this Sony model?

My Dell W3201C 32" LCD HDTV looks sharper then my Sony Bravia 32" Model KDL32S20L1.

I've got both connected to a comcast HD reciever via component cables. Watching the World Cup on both shows the Dell PQ out of the box to be sharper than the Sony. Not sure if I have to tweak the Sony pic, looking for comments on this.

I'm not sure if this surprises anyone but I was pretty shocked thinking my Sony would match or outperform the Dell, the remote from Sony sucks so much as well!

The Sony looks good, don't get me wrong but I could clearly see a PQ difference between the Dell and Sony in Standard mode as well versus HD broadcasts.

Would most of you agree regarding this Sony model?

I would disagree with you as Dells are well known for not being very suitable for television watching (bad blacks, contrast, etc). I think you realy need to calibrate both sets, as I wouldnt doubt you are using one or both on torch mode.

My Dell W3201C 32" LCD HDTV looks sharper then my Sony Bravia 32" Model KDL32S20L1.

I've got both connected to a comcast HD reciever via component cables. Watching the World Cup on both shows the Dell PQ out of the box to be sharper than the Sony. Not sure if I have to tweak the Sony pic, looking for comments on this.

I'm not sure if this surprises anyone but I was pretty shocked thinking my Sony would match or outperform the Dell, the remote from Sony sucks so much as well!

The Sony looks good, don't get me wrong but I could clearly see a PQ difference between the Dell and Sony in Standard mode as well versus HD broadcasts.

Would most of you agree regarding this Sony model?
Yeah Dell makes a great Lcd but I dont think as good as the Sony . It looks like you got one from Samsclub cause of the model # . Only Lcd i think is better is the Xbr .

does anyone know what chipset does the sony xbr series uses?

Yeah Dell makes a great Lcd but I dont think as good as the Sony . It looks like you got one from Samsclub cause of the model # . Only Lcd i think is better is the Xbr .


I got both LCDs from Costco for the return factor :) But what is the torch mode?

OK I went out and bought the Harmony 880 remote can anyone help me with setting up the TV inputs. I can't seem to get it to know which input is for the TV and Which is for DVD and which is for the computer. It just defaults to the last one used. I remember someone mentioning descrete codes for each input. Where can I find those and how do I program it thanks in advance. Jay

OK I went out and bought the Harmony 880 remote can anyone help me with setting up the TV inputs. I can't seem to get it to know which input is for the TV and Which is for DVD and which is for the computer. It just defaults to the last one used. I remember someone mentioning descrete codes for each input. Where can I find those and how do I program it thanks in advance. Jay



If you have any trouble programming the remote call customer service. I've had to call them twice and they were great each time. They can even program it for you by accessing your software through the internet.

So I got to see the 40" and 46" directly against some stuff at Tweeter yesterday with different split feeds. Nice comparision!

Sony 40" and 46" S2000's against:

- Samsung 40" LCD LNS4051D
- Panasonic 42" Plasma TH42PX600U
- Panasonic 37" Plasma TH37PX60U
- Mitsubishi 37" 1080P LCD LT3780

First they had on Hi Def Comcast Red Sox game on everything in the store. As usual it looked great until something moved, even slightly. Every set had an issue with dithering. When everything was nice and still the pop on the Sony's were incredible. I thought the 1080P Mitsu was resolving more detail (slightly) but it was hard to say since the colors are so jacked on the Sony's and so muted on the Mitsu. I have to say - I prefer the Sony's picture even seeing the marginal extra detail in the Mitsu.

So I made them put on Toy Story II using a basic Sony DVD player ($79) feeding all the sets. That really pissed off the kids working there watching the Red Sox (bottom of the 11th Ha Ha). The manager was the only one apparently into customer service.

Anyway - Wow. The Sonys were killing everything. The Panny Plasmas I went in to see in the first place actually looked dimmer with a slightly yellowish white, and I could clearly make out the Red Sox score burned into the image (hopefully temporarily). The colors on the Mitsu 1080P (LT3780) had identical DVD detail but colors were still very muted. The Samsung LCD (LN-S2651D) at first seemed to have superior blacks but after comparing to the Sony's for a few minutes it was very clear the Samsung was obliterating detail in dark areas like nobodys business. It was also crushing blacks big time. There was simply no such thing as dark grey on the Samsung.

Also worth a note, also present was the Sony LCD Projection unit (KDFE42A10) had significant silk screen and a relatively dim picture and lost detail.

Bottom line, the new 40" and 46" S2000's where just jaw dropping. Looks like I'm getting the 40". I really wanted to like the Panny plasma's but I simply could not tear my eyes away from the Sonys.

And that Samsung. Remove the references and it might actually look better, but knowing its obliteration detail and crushing blacks... no thanks.

I have the 32" Bravia, and the Guide does not show the program information (the tital is ok, but the sentence describing what is on TV shows "no program info is avail"). I think this is a minor flaw as even the Vizio 32" LCDTV correctly shows the information via OTA and OAM (also shows future TV Channels as well).

Using Comcast QAM and OTA.

I presently have a CRT Sony KD-34XBR960 that I like a lot, but I occasionally covet something a little bigger, and I'm thinking that I may soon be no longer able to sell off the 960 for a decent price given what LCDs are going for these days. The KDL-40S2000 and 46S2000 are awfully intriguing. "Conventional wisdom" says CRTs still do blacks better than LCD...would I effectively be taking a step backwards, picture-wise, if I went with an S2000, or would the image quality essentially be identical? Or might an S2000 actually be superior? As reference points, my main image sources are Time Warner HD cable, an upconverting Denon DVD player and the Xbox 360. I watch TV in the living room of a typically small Manhattan apartment from a distance of about 6 feet (with a slimmer set, I might be as far back as 7.5 feet).

I presently have a CRT Sony KD-34XBR960 that I like a lot, but I occasionally covet something a little bigger, and I'm thinking that I may soon be no longer able to sell off the 960 for a decent price given what LCDs are going for these days. The KDL-40S2000 and 46S2000 are awfully intriguing. "Conventional wisdom" says CRTs still do blacks better than LCD...would I effectively be taking a step backwards, picture-wise, if I went with an S2000, or would the image quality essentially be identical? Or might an S2000 actually be superior? As reference points, my main image sources are Time Warner HD cable, an upconverting Denon DVD player and the Xbox 360. I watch TV in the living room of a typically small Manhattan apartment from a distance of about 6 feet (with a slimmer set, I might be as far back as 7.5 feet).

My friend you will have a hard time finding a set that will compete with the gem you have now. I know because I have the same set and wanted something larger and thinner for my home theater. I first bought the 40 inch s2000 and tried everything I could to get the picture the way I wanted it but in the end I have come to the conclusion that flat panel tvs have a ways to go to get to direct view crt standards. Our 960s can draw images on screen faster than any technology out there. The pixel latency on the s2000 to my eyes is just hidious. It does not leave trails mind you but there is very bad blurring on my 360 games that my 960 handles flawlessly. This is not something that is on the Sony alone... all fp lcds have this issue right now. I returned the s2000 and purchased the panny 60u42 inch plasma and still it can't beat my trusty ole 960. I'm keeping the plasma as this set is for my home theater and only movies will ever be viewed on it. To me pixel refresh rates will have to be in the 2m sec. before I ever buy a fp lcd again.

I picked up a 32" S2000 this morning and it's better than expected, no comparison to my SXRD but very good. My cable box in the bedroom only has a SVIDEO (yup! it's o-l-d) and Standard Definition (SD) looks pretty darn good, the cable box will be upgraded later this week. Over-The-Air HD doesn't look very good on this set, it's difficult to compare it to OTA on the SXRD in the living room.

One thing I haven't figured out, when using using the Timer, how do make it turn on using a specific input? been messing with this setting for a few mins and do not seen the option to select an input.

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I bought the 40" KDL-40S20L1 at Costco. I am very happy with the PQ. The set did not find the local HD channels on cable when it did the setup scan for them. I was able to enter the channel number directly and it tuned all the high def channels in. My cable provider broadcasts the local HD channels in clear 256 QAM format. I agree the remote is a little on the cheap side, but the set has a great picture, even on SD analog cable channels. The guide does not work on my digital channels either.

I found this intersting. The S20L1's are made in Mexico while the S2000's are made in Japan. Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet but so far as I can tell it's the only difference.

Hi there- I just got a Bravia 40" LCD HD and all that. But it's not looking good.
There seems to be archived/blurriness.

I connected my DVD player using composite connectors and well, it loks horrible. I put in Lord of The Rings and instead of a crystal clear pic- it is blurry in spots- and has archives - almost like I am watching a Quicktime movie on the net.

Am I doing something wrong? do I have to tell it that its digital? I see there is the digital scan feature and even though its hooked into my digital cable box- it tells me no digital channels are found.

I'm new to this obviously and appreciate any help.

Thank you!

Hi there- I just got a Bravia 40" LCD HD and all that. But it's not looking good.
There seems to be archived/blurriness.

I connected my DVD player using composite connectors and well, it loks horrible. I put in Lord of The Rings and instead of a crystal clear pic- it is blurry in spots- and has archives - almost like I am watching a Quicktime movie on the net.

Am I doing something wrong? do I have to tell it that its digital? I see there is the digital scan feature and even though its hooked into my digital cable box- it tells me no digital channels are found.

I'm new to this obviously and appreciate any help.

Thank you!

Do you have any kind of HDTV service? Sounds like you are just seeing standard def stuff on the TV. SD programming just doesn't look that nice on a HDTV. DVD players look a little better.

When your TV is looking for digital signals it is looking for anything it can find OTA (over the air). If you life close to broadcast towers you may be able to pick up some signals if you hook up some rabbit ears.

Hope this helps a bit. Let us know if you have any more questions. We are here to help!

Calibration is your friend.

If anyone is interested here's a review I found for the KDL46s2000. The reviewer also calibrated the TV and shared the settings.

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtvreviews/sony-kdl46s2000-review.shtml