I have an audio question. I just watched my first Blu-ray movie on my PS3. I have it connected via an optical cable. In settings do I want bitstream or PCM linear? And what's the difference? Thanks!

I have to say, I have the BD-s1, got the AMEX deal for 450$ on it, and the PS3 is pretty much just as good, at least with HDMI and BD disks. I REALLY like the fact that it boots, plays, FF, RW and does everything, oohhh, bout 400% faster than the BD-s1

Can ANYONE explain that?

I have to say, I have the BD-s1, got the AMEX deal for 450$ on it, and the PS3 is pretty much just as good, at least with HDMI and BD disks. I REALLY like the fact that it boots, plays, FF, RW and does everything, oohhh, bout 400% faster than the BD-s1

Can ANYONE explain that?

You lucky bastard. I tried to buy virtually everything they offered and I couldn't ever secure anything. I was especially targeting the xbr2 and aquos.

Brandon

I have to say, I have the BD-s1, got the AMEX deal for 450$ on it, and the PS3 is pretty much just as good, at least with HDMI and BD disks. I REALLY like the fact that it boots, plays, FF, RW and does everything, oohhh, bout 400% faster than the BD-s1

Can ANYONE explain that?

it's a better player?

:)

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but have any of you mounted a PS3 in a rack? How much space is needed, and does it overheat?

I have an audio question. I just watched my first Blu-ray movie on my PS3. I have it connected via an optical cable. In settings do I want bitstream or PCM linear? And what's the difference? Thanks!If your receiver decodes Dolby and DTS, you want bitstream, so you'll have a 5.1 experience (though you'll lose any secondary audio, such as menu sound effects and audio commentary). If it doesn't support Dolby or DTS you'll want to use PCM (but you'll get stereo sound, not surround). And you'll want a new receiver, preferably one which support HDMI so you can use full lossless PCM with surround.

If your receiver decodes Dolby and DTS, you want bitstream, so you'll have a 5.1 experience (though you'll lose any secondary audio, such as menu sound effects and audio commentary). If it doesn't support Dolby or DTS you'll want to use PCM (but you'll get stereo sound, not surround). And you'll want a new receiver, preferably one which support HDMI so you can use full lossless PCM with surround.



Thanks Talkstr8t. My processor does decode both DD and DTS. I have the Lexicon MC-12B. I know I need a new preamp, but sadly that will have to wait... *sigh*

So on the PS3 I want to change all audio settings to bitstream?

So on the PS3 I want to change all audio settings to bitstream?Yes, until you've got HDMI audio support or if you want to hear secondary audio.

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but have any of you mounted a PS3 in a rack? How much space is needed, and does it overheat?
It can overheat if enclosed. As with any high speed computer the ps3 needs room for air to ventilate- no glass doors -open front and rear preferable- vertical position out of rack seems best with left side up. Mine is horizontal on a shelf open front/back with 6 inches all around and never locked up.

does it have a fan to power ventilate?

-ejs

does it have a fan to power ventilate?

-ejs


Yes

Picked up a 20g PS3 at Walmart on Saturday. I was a little disappointed to find that while my display(Sony 50a2000) supports 1080p, my receiver(Pio Elite 72-txv) does not. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that I have to make a choice between true 1080p and no advanced audio or advanced audio and 1080i to the display. Given that my HD-DVD player only does 1080i and looks phenominal, I'm pretty sure I'll still just run everything through the receiver. I did a quick look at plugging directly into the display and going through the receiver and didn't immediately notice any difference between the 1080 p and i. I've read lots of reports that if the display is 1080p then the difference is negligible anyway. Anyone have any experience and can comment?

Also, I read in the online PS3 manual this:

Image Quality Adjustment


Adjust the noise reduction level of content played under (Video). Select one of four levels.
Frame Noise Reduction Set to reduce fine noise.
Block Noise Reduction Set to reduce mosaic-like block noise displayed on the screen

When playing a Blu-Ray disk, I didn't find any such option. Is it there? Any recommended settings?

Thanks..

Picked up a 20g PS3 at Walmart on Saturday. I was a little disappointed to find that while my display(Sony 50a2000) supports 1080p, my receiver(Pio Elite 72-txv) does not. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that I have to make a choice between true 1080p and no advanced audio or advanced audio and 1080i to the display. Given that my HD-DVD player only does 1080i and looks phenominal, I'm pretty sure I'll still just run everything through the receiver. I did a quick look at plugging directly into the display and going through the receiver and didn't immediately notice any difference between the 1080 p and i. I've read lots of reports that if the display is 1080p then the difference is negligible anyway. Anyone have any experience and can comment?

Also, I read in the online PS3 manual this:

Image Quality Adjustment


Adjust the noise reduction level of content played under (Video). Select one of four levels.
Frame Noise Reduction Set to reduce fine noise.
Block Noise Reduction Set to reduce mosaic-like block noise displayed on the screen

When playing a Blu-Ray disk, I didn't find any such option. Is it there? Any recommended settings?

Thanks..


In terms of 1080i or p, as long as your set (and I think your model does) can de-interlace properly, there should be virtually no difference. I have an HD DVD player too and I see no difference or artifacts.

As to the noise reduction,....where are those settings? I don't think I have ever seen them. My guess is that if they are not in the BD playback menu, they do not apply there. But I would like to hear someone elses take on this as well.

Yes, until you've got HDMI audio support or if you want to hear secondary audio.


Thank you!! :)

Anyone else's PS3 scratching their BD's? all of mine were in pristine condition, but upon removing a couple from the player, the bottom of them now have small scratches. Some have a longer scratch. I'm careful removing them, but this has really soured me on the system, which is quite solid. and I just sold my Samsung on ebay. :( Looks like I'll have to go back to a standalone. No way am I going to tolerate this.

Anyone else's PS3 scratching their BD's? all of mine were in pristine condition, but upon removing a couple from the player, the bottom of them now have small scratches. Some have a longer scratch. I'm careful removing them, but this has really soured me on the system, which is quite solid. and I just sold my Samsung on ebay. :( Looks like I'll have to go back to a standalone. No way am I going to tolerate this.

How do you have it sit? Mine is horizontal and haven't had a problem with scratched disc.

Anyone else's PS3 scratching their BD's? all of mine were in pristine condition, but upon removing a couple from the player, the bottom of them now have small scratches. Some have a longer scratch. I'm careful removing them, but this has really soured me on the system, which is quite solid. and I just sold my Samsung on ebay. :( Looks like I'll have to go back to a standalone. No way am I going to tolerate this.
I've played numerous BD's in mine and no scratches. In fact, I've found that it's pretty difficult to scratch the BD's under normal conditions.

Yeah, mine's sitting horizontal.

How do you have it sit? Mine is horizontal and haven't had a problem with scratched disc.

Mine stands vertical and I haven't experienced any scratching.

Brandon

The noise reduction control is only available when playing SD DVD's. Press the green triangle button when running a DVD and it brings up the menu of adjustable controls. Second row from the top, third from right is the image quality adjustment icon. Switch it to OFF . I've seldom seen such an improvement ! It's set to 2 by default but it's useless IMO.

Somebody else on these forums posted this info for which I'm eternally grateful, so I'm just paying it forward.

How do you have it sit? Mine is horizontal and haven't had a problem with scratched disc.
horizontal. I'm just really bummed now. It's a solid player too.

Im going to pick up a PS3 this weekend.Too many good titles coming out from CES.

I just want to say I picked up a 60G PS3 and this thing is a great media center. I mainly wanted it for the Blu-Ray and kids wanted it for the games. I'm really impressed with some of the features like updating firmware via the net and photo slideshow were it makes your pictures look like real pictures floating onto a table is awsome. Everytime I turn it on I find something new. I have a 60" KDSXBR1 and the video quality is outstanding. I do however have a short list of things I wish they would fix or add.

1.) Way to play Guitar Hero with the Guitar Hero controller. (If the company came out with a BT version that would be great, but I would have to buy a new controller)

2.) BT Blu-Ray remote didn't have a TV/Video button to switch input sources on my TV causing me to use two remotes to watch a movie. Of course there are other functions as well. Its the IR problem of it not being there. I would really like it if everything switched to BT. Its way better than IR.

3.) Wish it understood NTFS so I could connect NTFS USB drives. FAT32 isn't as reliable as NTFS and I'll never use it. Its not a journaling FS.

Other than those for now..... WOW! I really love this thing.

Marshall


Marshall,
This is what I'm considering as a solution for playing Guitar Hero II on my PS3

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product_id=802566

I was looking all over today for the blue tooth remote and it was sold out everywhere. Most stores said they had quite a few in stock and they sell out right away. Even the local Sony Style store said they get them in every couple days but they sell out as soon as they hit the shelf. So I got to thinking that maybe the BD attach rate is pretty high, being that the remote sales are a direct indicator of the amount of people intending to use it as a BD player.

Of course this is not definative, just an observation. I just can't believe how many places are sold out. Have fun!

sorry to be annoying but I'll ask again in case someone who knows missed it.

have any of you tried to use a psp as a remote? As I understand the sony documents, the ps3 w/wi-fi is supposed to be controlable via a psp. Even to the point that you can see the ps3 menu on the psp.

anyone got it to work yet?

thanks!

Eric

sorry to be annoying but I'll ask again in case someone who knows missed it.

have any of you tried to use a psp as a remote? As I understand the sony documents, the ps3 w/wi-fi is supposed to be controlable via a psp. Even to the point that you can see the ps3 menu on the psp.

anyone got it to work yet?

thanks!

Eric

I saw a video on youtube of someone using the PSP as a remote for the PS3. I guess it works. Cool if you already own a PSP, but I'm not buying one. I think you can use it with certain PS3 games. I think I saw it being used as a rear view mirror in a racing game.

I have one, and would love to save $25..pls advise

Im going to pick up a PS3 this weekend.Too many good titles coming out from CES.

That's why I jumped in. Titles. HDdvd has jack for exclusives....

Zoro

Here ya go! Try this out.

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/psp/current/

The 'manuals.playstation...' link pretty much confims what I'd hoped. It looks like I can use the psp as a visual remote for the psp. That makes it much more convienient as a mp3 jukebox for people with front projectors. Depending upon the range, it also makes it good for controling the menu from another room. It would be groovy if there was some way to control the system volume through it.

Marshall,
This is what I'm considering as a solution for playing Guitar Hero II on my PS3

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product_id=802566

I don't think this will work because there is no PS button on the guitar hero controller. You need that to start a ps2 game. I don't know if can press the PS button on a PS3 remote on another channel and start the game though.

Marshall

Anymore word on a firmware update to fix the clipping issue? Do we know for sure if a firmware can correct it?

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but have any of you mounted a PS3 in a rack? How much space is needed, and does it overheat?

I have mine on a stand with a few feet of space on the left and in front and a few inches on the right and behind. IIRC, the manual addresses the space necessary for ventilation.

Fingers crossed, it has not overheated to date and that includes a day where my cleaning lady cleaned it (probably hit a button) and left it on all day yesterday :mad: . I came home about 7 hours after she left and i noticed a little heat but nothing too crazy.

Anyone else's PS3 scratching their BD's? all of mine were in pristine condition, but upon removing a couple from the player, the bottom of them now have small scratches. Some have a longer scratch. I'm careful removing them, but this has really soured me on the system, which is quite solid. and I just sold my Samsung on ebay. Looks like I'll have to go back to a standalone. No way am I going to tolerate this.

After reading your comment, I went and checked the only BD I've used with my PS3 to-date; and I did notice a faint mark about an inch long on the disc. I was able to buff it out with my shirt, but it is unsettling to say the least.

Something I noticed however was that it looked like the 'felt-like' material that is supposed to protect the discs as they are inserted and ejected from the player had cut in the top one about a third of the way over from the left-hand side. Does yours or anyone else's have such a cut? Perhaps this is the culprit.

It would be nice if we could keep discussion to the PS3 and aspects related to BD playing/viewing. Guitar Hero doesn't quite fall in this category. :) It's really really hard finding info in this an the other specific player threads because of diversions. Please try to think of others who may just be getting a unit or are new to it. Thanks.

larry

Guys,

Do any of the B&Ms sell the PS3 remote? I picked my 20 gig PS3 unit up from Target today, but forgot to look.

Guys,

Do any of the B&Ms sell the PS3 remote? I picked my 20 gig PS3 unit up from Target today, but forgot to look.


I bought mine from an EB Game store.

Guys,

Do any of the B&Ms sell the PS3 remote? I picked my 20 gig PS3 unit up from Target today, but forgot to look.
I got mine from Target over a week ago.

I got mine at Gamestop last week. What's the deal with no power button though. Weird. To me, anyway.

Guys,

Do any of the B&Ms sell the PS3 remote? I picked my 20 gig PS3 unit up from Target today, but forgot to look.

Bought my PS 3 remote at Target

Just put one on hold at my local Gamestop.

I got mine at Gamestop last week. What's the deal with no power button though. Weird. To me, anyway.
The PS button is the power button just like on the controller.

The PS button is the power button just like on the controller.

:o Thanks, I suck. Can you tell this is my first Playstation? :o

Guys,

Do any of the B&Ms sell the PS3 remote? I picked my 20 gig PS3 unit up from Target today, but forgot to look.

Check out Toys 'R Us. They should have some.

Brandon

:o Thanks, I suck. Can you tell this is my first Playstation? :o
LOL!
Hey everyone is a newbie at some point!! :)

I have an Optoma HD72 with native 720p. Does anyone let the PS3 convert to 1080i then let their TV or projector convert to 720p? How does all this conversion look? Should I just get something that directly converts to 720p? Thanks.

How good it looks all depends on how well your TV converts from 1080i to 720p. Most 720p sets and projectors just "bob" which means they just fill-in-the-lines after treating the 1080i signal like a 540p signal. This reduced vertical resolution. Still looks great, but not nearly as great as direct 1080 to 720 scaling or native 1080.

I have an Optoma HD72 with native 720p. Does anyone let the PS3 convert to 1080i then let their TV or projector convert to 720p? How does all this conversion look? Should I just get something that directly converts to 720p? Thanks.

I have a HD72 as well. From what I have read the HD72 takes the 1080i signal, converts it to 540P and to 720P from there.

It looks great but obviously we're losing a bit of information. I don't know how much better it would look if it could just output 720P like the HD-DVD players can but it works fine and looks good.

The HD72 will also accept a 1080P signal which it then directly converts to 720P but it doesn't handle this as well - so I use the 1080i input.

If you have your doubts buy the PS3 from Costco with their liberal return policy (forever) or Target (90 days) - I would imagine that even the normal 30 days from any store would be more than enough time.

I bought a 60 gig PS3 today and have it hooked up via HDMI through a Denon AVR-4806 to a Samsung HL-S6188. I bought Underworld: Evolutions with it and when I try to play the disc, I get a lot of red artifacting. It's very strange.

I apologize if this has been covered, and I know that not reading through all posts is voodoo, but I feel needy for help.

Any ideas, comments, flames? I have the latest firmware.

Man, Gran Turismo HD is incredible.

How does the PS3 button on the new BD remote turn the system to standby mode? I can turn it ON with the button, but hit it again and it won't turn off. Am I missing something?

Dan

How does the PS3 button on the new BD remote turn the system to standby mode? I can turn it ON with the button, but hit it again and it won't turn off. Am I missing something?

Dan

You have to hold the PS button for about 5 seconds and then it will give you the option to power the system down.

How good it looks all depends on how well your TV converts from 1080i to 720p. Most 720p sets and projectors just "bob" which means they just fill-in-the-lines after treating the 1080i signal like a 540p signal. This reduced vertical resolution. Still looks great, but not nearly as great as direct 1080 to 720 scaling or native 1080.

I was really conserned about this problem. I have a display that was on the list of "bobbers" last year (found out a month after I bought it). I have a Sony 55A20 that is 768p (720p). Before I bought the PS3 I wanted to know for myself if it would matter that I was going to have to input 1080i. So I did a couple tests.

First I went to Discovery HD and switched my HD box back and forth from 720p and 1080i... I couldn't see a difference. I asked my wife and neither could she.

I conducted the same test with my 360 and could not tell a difference. Both versions of HD DVD movies, games and the dashboard looked fantastic.

So even though I know that my TVs scaler has something left to be desired, I guess I am not enough of a videophile to be able to tell the difference. I guess this is a case of "ignorance is bliss". I would have been happy if I never new about the "bobbing problem", because I never would have noticed.

Currently, the PS3 only offers RGB output. Since most displays expect YCrCb over HDMI, blacker-than-black (BTB) and peak white values are crushed, and some loss of shadow detail results. The updated software with YCrCb output should address this issue.


Been going through the forum for 2 hrs now...This is first msg I found touching on my concern. I was trying to run the DVE setup last night with my PS3 and Samsung HLS5688W. When I was trying to adjust brightness I could not see the 3rd black bar suggesting the PS3 was clipping it. Also when using the contrast test, I believe chapter 12 section 14 (could be vice versa), It banded the outer white levels also suggesting some clipping was going on. I am guessing this is impacting black level playback by the PS3, has anyone else noticed this?

If your display did not support YCbCr over HDMI, you would know it immediately as all the colors would be WAY off. You TV may allow for separate settings and calibration for RGB versus YCbCr. Just adjust the contrast and brightness to the settings that look best for each format.

Ira

watsonusn, I think you and I are seeing same problem, I too have the HLS5688W, but I do not believe its our TV's. People stated that YCC was going to be in the 1.3 update which it was, but it looks like it is crushing the black and white levels which I believe is affecting our picture quality as anything dark or light all blends together. I'm surprised more people aren't complaining.

First I went to Discovery HD and switched my HD box back and forth from
720p and 1080i... I couldn't see a difference. I asked my wife and
neither could she.


DPowers,

that's probably because your cable-box is *bobbing* istelf! That's right... it has to convert the interlaced 1080i to progressive in order to down-res to 720P. Guess what it's doing...

BOBBING!

;)

A BD player could, in theory, do direct-scaling from 1080 to 720 without bobbing because it has the BD in native progressive 1080p right off the disc with no additional deinterlacing needed.

BTW, any BD or HD DVD player that decodes directly into 1080i (such as the Toshiba) would also probably just be "bobbing" for 720p output. Same might be true for the Samsung BD player which decodes the video first in 1080i form, NOT into true 1080p.

watsonusn, I think you and I are seeing same problem, I too have the HLS5688W, but I do not believe its our TV's. People stated that YCC was going to be in the 1.3 update which it was, but it looks like it is crushing the black and white levels which I believe is affecting our picture quality as anything dark or light all blends together. I'm surprised more people aren't complaining.

I first complained about clipping (maybe I should have said "crushing") of BTB/WTW a couple weeks ago.

My questions for any of the "techies" around here is as follows:
I've read that processing is chip based (Nividia) and in the RGB realm (i.e., converts YCrCb from the disc to RGB) before optionally being able to convert back to YCrCb. Does this stop Sony from being able to use a firmware upgrade to stop crushing of the BTB/WTW or is it forever lost because of the RGB format used in processing?

Anybody picked up a copy of The Descent on Blu Ray? There are rumblings that it is only playable on a PS3. Can anybody with another stand-alone player confirm this?

http://www.psu.com/node/6847

Brandon

Anybody picked up a copy of The Descent on Blu Ray? There are rumblings that it is only playable on a PS3. Can anybody with another stand-alone player confirm this?

http://www.psu.com/node/6847

Brandon
I've heard the same thing. From what I've read( forget where now), there's features on that BD that uses Java and some players don't have the required software installed to run them. The PS3 does have Java installed.

DPowers,

that's probably because your cable-box is *bobbing* istelf! That's right... it has to convert the interlaced 1080i to progressive in order to down-res to 720P. Guess what it's doing...

BOBBING!

;)

A BD player could, in theory, do direct-scaling from 1080 to 720 without bobbing because it has the BD in native progressive 1080p right off the disc with no additional deinterlacing needed.

BTW, any BD or HD DVD player that decodes directly into 1080i (such as the Toshiba) would also probably just be "bobbing" for 720p output. Same might be true for the Samsung BD player which decodes the video first in 1080i form, NOT into true 1080p.

Ah, quite true! If everything is bobbing then I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Then I will relagate I will be content with my PQ until something really stands out as "wrong". I have demo'd enough 1080p content on enough different systems to know that I don't feel like I am missing out on anything, no matter what is bobbing or scaling or not, I have been very happy with my 720p set up, be it from the PS3, 360, HD DVR...it's all good!

So I got to thinking that maybe the BD attach rate is pretty high, being that the remote sales are a direct indicator of the amount of people intending to use it as a BD player.

Of course this is not definative, just an observation. I just can't believe how many places are sold out. Have fun!


I've had a PS3 since launch day and 80% of the time that I've used it has been for the purpose of Blu Ray playback. Part of the reason for this is a) Gears of War and b) after I beat Resistance, there was nothing left to play. :)

FWIW, I love this things as a Blu Ray player. I just finally ordered the remote from Amazon, so I'll be happy to use something other than the Sixaxis. I don't know about anybody else, but I kept hitting the R2 or L2 buttons when I'd set the controller down and that would cause unwanted FF or RR on the movie! :eek: Gotta be gentle when setting down the controller when you're using it for BR playback.

One quick question.I have a 1080i tv with dvi. Should i go hdmi with dvi adapter or go componet?Optical to my reciever.

One quick question.I have a 1080i tv with dvi. Should i go hdmi with dvi adapter or go componet?Optical to my reciever.
Go with the DVI Adapter and Optical to your receiver. With my TV, the HDMI to DVI is much sharper than with component cables. If you can, try both and see which is better for you.

I'm downloading the latest firmware (1.32) right now. When I burn it to a CD-R, do I make it an ISO file?
No. In fact I've never heard of anyone doing the update from a CD.

You have to have a specific directory structure for the PS3 to find it.
http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates/pc_update.html#update_PC

Try via CD, if it doesn't work then try a USB drive.

I first complained about clipping (maybe I should have said "crushing") of BTB/WTW a couple weeks ago.

My questions for any of the "techies" around here is as follows:
I've read that processing is chip based (Nividia) and in the RGB realm (i.e., converts YCrCb from the disc to RGB) before optionally being able to convert back to YCrCb. Does this stop Sony from being able to use a firmware upgrade to stop crushing of the BTB/WTW or is it forever lost because of the RGB format used in processing? BTB and WTW are "clipped" on the PS3 from what I can tell and Stacey Spears noted the same thing a while back. The "clipping" seems to be the literal clipping - only 16-235 is output. This is different than the usual type of clipping of BTB and WTW we see when the video is converted to PC RGB - 0-255 - where BTB and WTW are "pushed out" and all video values are changed (16-235 is converted to 0-255). "crush" is a symptom and can be caused by other factors (improper calibration, for one) besides BTB and WTW being clipped.

larry

BTB and WTW are "clipped" on the PS3 from what I can tell and Stacey Spears noted the same thing a while back. The "clipping" seems to be the literal clipping - only 16-235 is output. This is different than the usual type of clipping of BTB and WTW we see when the video is converted to PC RGB - 0-255 - where BTB and WTW are "pushed out" and all video values are changed (16-235 is converted to 0-255). "crush" is a symptom and can be caused by other factors (improper calibration, for one) besides BTB and WTW being clipped.

larry

Thanks. Now does that mean the issue could be resolved via firmware update?

Stacey never retested with the 1.3 update which allowed the PS3 to output YCrCb rather than converted RGB values. Folks with displays that could handle component over HDMI have said that the image looks subjectively more dynamic with better gray-scale etc. I wonder if that fixed the problem when running YCrCb?

Stacey never retested with the 1.3 update which allowed the PS3 to output YCrCb rather than converted RGB values. Folks with displays that could handle component over HDMI have said that the image looks subjectively more dynamic with better gray-scale etc. I wonder if that fixed the problem when running YCrCb?

This confuses me a bit as I thought Component usded RGB and HDMI used YCC. I understood the 1.3x update was suppose to improve HDMI output and when I ran DVE disk, I see the white and black level's clipped. I would think this clipping would impact picture quality playback specifically with blu-ray DVDs. I watched Divinci Code on a standard DVD via PS3 (lots of dark scenes) and thought the black level details left a lot to be desired. I will be very disappointed if this can't be resolved (AND UPSCALING OF DVDs).

No. In fact I've never heard of anyone doing the update from a CD.

You have to have a specific directory structure for the PS3 to find it.
http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates/pc_update.html#update_PC

Try via CD, if it doesn't work then try a USB drive.

I just ended up using the USB and creating the folders per Sony's suggestion. Thanks.

Has anyone encountered this issue: I was watching a SD DVD - hit stop - the PS3 menu asked me if I wanted to exit. I selected "yes," then the screen went blank without going back to the PS3 menu. I had to turn the unit off and back on to get it to resume.

Has anyone encountered this issue: I was watching a SD DVD - hit stop - the PS3 menu asked me if I wanted to exit. I selected "yes," then the screen went blank without going back to the PS3 menu. I had to turn the unit off and back on to get it to resume.

I had something similar. I ejected RFOM while it was at the title/start screen. After the game was ejected I had nothing but a black screen. I had to reset from the rear power switch. Wierd.

In terms of 1080i or p, as long as your set (and I think your model does) can de-interlace properly, there should be virtually no difference. I have an HD DVD player too and I see no difference or artifacts.

As to the noise reduction,....where are those settings? I don't think I have ever seen them. My guess is that if they are not in the BD playback menu, they do not apply there. But I would like to hear someone elses take on this as well.

I'm confused by this. If BD's are 1080p, doesn't the PS3 have to deinterlace the signal to 1080i to send it via HDMI to an AVR that can only accept 1080i? I seem to remember seeing somewhere that the deinterlacer in the Toshiba HD DVD player is very good, but the one in the PS3 isn't. If the deinterlacer is doing its job properly there should be no difference, but has anybody tried this with a PS3?

In my case I have a Samsung 6188. I can get a great deal on a Denon 5805, the original that only passes 1080i via HDMI. I'm worried that having the PS3 deinterlace the signal, so I can take advantage of the advanced audio codecs, and then having my Samsung deinterlace the signal back to 1080p is bound to degrade the signal somewhat.

Anybody picked up a copy of The Descent on Blu Ray? There are rumblings that it is only playable on a PS3. Can anybody with another stand-alone player confirm this http://www.psu.com/node/6847?
This is incorrect. It plays on all players except for the Sony and Pioneer standalones, and will be corrected in an upcoming firmware release.

- Talk

Stacey never retested with the 1.3 update which allowed the PS3 to output YCrCb rather than converted RGB values. Folks with displays that could handle component over HDMI have said that the image looks subjectively more dynamic with better gray-scale etc. I wonder if that fixed the problem when running YCrCb?

Not when checking with DVE, <16, >235 are still not passed - I'm doing YCrCb over HDMI.

btw David are you still having the occassional freeze? My, albeit occassional, freeze issues disappeared after going to 1.32.

fingers crossed,
ted

I'm confused by this. If BD's are 1080p, doesn't the PS3 have to deinterlace the signal to 1080i to send it via HDMI to an AVR that can only accept 1080i? I seem to remember seeing somewhere that the deinterlacer in the Toshiba HD DVD player is very good, but the one in the PS3 isn't. If the deinterlacer is doing its job properly there should be no difference, but has anybody tried this with a PS3?

In my case I have a Samsung 6188. I can get a great deal on a Denon 5805, the original that only passes 1080i via HDMI. I'm worried that having the PS3 deinterlace the signal, so I can take advantage of the advanced audio codecs, and then having my Samsung deinterlace the signal back to 1080p is bound to degrade the signal somewhat.

I am not sure if the PS3 passes 1080p natively, without going through a 18080i proccess first, or not.

But what I CAN say is that if you output 1080i, and your tv has a good de-interlacer, then it should be able to re-assemble the frames with no loss. I think you mentioned having a samsung, if it is an hlsx87/88 (I have the 6188) then you should be ok as it does have a good de-interlacer. I am doing this with my Xa1, which outputs 1080i.

I would also like to know if the PS3 does convert to 1080i and then back to 1080p internally or not.

I am not sure if the PS3 passes 1080p natively, without going through a 18080i proccess first, or not.

But what I CAN say is that if you output 1080i, and your tv has a good de-interlacer, then it should be able to re-assemble the frames with no loss. I think you mentioned having a samsung, if it is an hlsx87/88 (I have the 6188) then you should be ok as it does have a good de-interlacer. I am doing this with my Xa1, which outputs 1080i.

I would also like to know if the PS3 does convert to 1080i and then back to 1080p internally or not.


The PS3 converts to 1080p60 directly without converting to 1080i. See post #2215 for explanation.

The PS3 converts to 1080p60 directly without converting to 1080i. See post #2215 for explanation.You said more about direct to 1080p that #2215! :) #2215 has one word "directly". Not that I don't believe it.

larry

I too am experiencing "black crush" issues with the PS3 image quality on BD/SDDVD. I hope they fix this in a firmware release -- I have to add 15 points of brightness to my set to get a watchable picture.

Why aren't more people making a bigger deal out of this?

Why aren't more people making a bigger deal out of this?I just setup my PS3 and I haven't seen any issues with Contrast or Brightness (outside of BTB and WTW being clipped). I found these settings worked with the HDNet test pattern, Toshiba A2 and the PS3. The settings will go from -30 to +30 and I'm using HDMI to DVI.

HDNet (Motorola 6416 cable box)

+5 Contrast
-5 Brightness

PS3

+3 Contrast
+0 Brightness

A2

-3 Contrast
+6 Brightness

As you can see by the numbers the A2 really decreased my dynamic range with the Motorola 6416 offering the widest range with the PS3 falling in between the two. I haven't tested the PS3 via component yet but the A2's component settings matched the 6416 exactly.

You said more about direct to 1080p that #2215! :) #2215 has one word "directly". Not that I don't believe it.

larry
He was answering my question in post #2213. I was able to compare the 1080i and 1080p setting and I prefer the 1080p output.

I too am experiencing "black crush" issues with the PS3 image quality on BD/SDDVD. I hope they fix this in a firmware release -- I have to add 15 points of brightness to my set to get a watchable picture.

Why aren't more people making a bigger deal out of this?

Cause some of us--okay, well more like a minority of "us" on this forum (namely ME)--don't even know what the hell it is. I wouldn't even know how to identify it.

Brandon

Cause some of us--okay, well more like a minority of "us" on this forum (namely ME)--don't even know what the hell it is. I wouldn't even know how to identify it.

Brandon
Be careful. If you find out, it may bother you once you know what to look for.

What is the cross color filter? Anyone using it?

Also, I would appreciate if any insider can tell us if the clipping issue will be fixed in the next firmware update.

I have the latest software installed, and can only playback X-MEN 3 for a few minutes before the system locks up. I then have to re-boot the PS3 for any type of operation. Anyone else having this issue?

What is the cross color filter? Anyone using it?

Also, I would appreciate if any insider can tell us if the clipping issue will be fixed in the next firmware update. I remember reading something about the cross color filter and it's nothing to be used for video. I'm not holding my breath on a fix for the BTB and WTW clipping. At least it's tolerable compared to the PC video levels output on the Tosh HD-DVD players.

larry

I too am experiencing "black crush" issues with the PS3 image quality on BD/SDDVD. I hope they fix this in a firmware release -- I have to add 15 points of brightness to my set to get a watchable picture.

Why aren't more people making a bigger deal out of this? That's interesting. What you describe is something like I have to do on my A1 via DVI - I don't use it, I use component. However, on the PS3, I don't have to do that. Video appears "normal" (vs PC RGB) and BTB and WTW are just missing. You running latest firmware, 1.32?

larry

I am new to the forum, looking for a specific question answered. If I am in the wrong subsection please redirect me.

My question concerns audio output from BD movies. When playing games on the ps3 I can get surround sound no problem. I am using a bose lifestyle 5.1 system so I cant adjust the settings on what decoders I am using, the system does this itself. When playing BD movies...I dont get sound from my rear speakers. Im guessing that is because the ps3 is outputing 7.1 thru my hdmi to my tv and my tv is kicking the audio back to my bose regular composite cables. Im guessing that I am using dolby digital to get the 5.1 thru the composite lines to my bose reciever and that the 7.1 isnt getting my signal to my rear channels. The ps3 says that if 7.1 audio is available on a disk, the ps3 will automatically output that signal. However like I said, I think resistance has 7.1 but I get full surround out of that game. I've tried Ice Age, Ricky bobby, and corpse bride all on ps3 but no sound from rear speakers.

Any help would be appreciated.

It's weird that only I'm having this problem, or at least to this extent. I'm running the latest firmware -- the united updated itself out of the box, and since then it's been telling me that my firmware is up to date.

I run all HDMI inputs through my Denon 4306, and the HDMI on the Denon is set to Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr color space. The PS3 image is just "darker", and transitions from the darkest parts of the image appear somewhat harsh. I'll just keep experimenting and maybe it will somehow fix itself, I don't know, or a magic firmware update will fix my issue.

That's interesting. What you describe is something like I have to do on my A1 via DVI - I don't use it, I use component. However, on the PS3, I don't have to do that. Video appears "normal" (vs PC RGB) and BTB and WTW are just missing. You running latest firmware, 1.32?

larry

The only way to know for sure what you are seeing is to get a calibration disc like DVE or GetGray. IIRC, the PS3 clips BTB and WTW with both YCbCr and RGB. But 16-235 appears to be intact (and not expanded to PC video) so it it may just be a calibration issue for you. What calibration settings were you comparing it to?

larry

Question: Can a regular HDMI cable (Version 1.0, 1.1) be used to output BlueRay movies from the PS3 to the HDMI inputs on an AVR and/or TV monitor, or must one use the special HDMI 1.3 version cable? If so, what's the best audio resolution I'll get?

Question: Can a regular HDMI cable (Version 1.0, 1.1) be used to output BlueRay movies from the PS3 to the HDMI inputs on an AVR and/or TV monitor, or must one use the special HDMI 1.3 version cable? If so, what's the best audio resolution I'll get?

You can only use the HDMI that I will sell you. Please PM me. I have several left at only $199 each.

Joke. Basically you should be able to use any HDMI cable.

The only way to know for sure what you are seeing is to get a calibration disc like DVE or GetGray. IIRC, the PS3 clips BTB and WTW with both YCbCr and RGB. But 16-235 appears to be intact (and not expanded to PC video) so it it may just be a calibration issue for you. What calibration settings were you comparing it to?

larry

I concur.
This is a teapot tempest here since VIDEO levels are passed properly.

Now I *would* like non VIDEO codes passed since is does allow for more precise calibration of display as well as processing data points for the scaler, but there is no *crushing* or level expansion going on.

ted

Maybe I am wrong, but the cables should not change with various versions of HDMI....only the features passed through the cables?

You can only use the HDMI that I will sell you. Please PM me. I have several left at only $199 each.

Joke. Basically you should be able to use any HDMI cable.
That's what I thought. It is only the 60Gb version of PS3 that has an HDMI output, though, isn't it? And, just to make sure, with an ordinary HDMI cable when playing a BRD movie, I'll be able to set the resolution on the player to the highest resolution my monitor will accept (1080i), right?
Finally, will the HDMI output send an uncompressed 5.1 Dolby Digital signal, or is it regular DD 5.1?

Maybe I am wrong, but the cables should not change with various versions of HDMI....only the features passed through the cables?V1.3 spec allows for a different connector. Things will be just the way they work now with HDMI->DVI - cables with different connectors on each end or adapters. A new connector design was sorely needed for HDMI.

larry

Greetings to all,

first time poster, long time lurker

I am a bit disappointed at the moment and wanted to get some feedback.

I have the PS3 hooked up via HDMI-DVI into a Mits 55413 (1080i CRT, non-calibrated, 3yrs old) and noticed that the Kingdom of Heaven BD lacked the level of detail and color quality as compared to the HBO HD version on my DVR. Is there anything that can explain this lack of detail.

I have seen other HD disc material look absolutely phenomenal on some of the 1080p LCD's at the stores. Not to mention everyone seems to rave about this transfer so I'm assuming it's a TV issue.

Why would a compressed cable feed look better than BD discs or HD DVD discs for that matter (have both). Rome repeats for instance have that sort of detail I am seeking.

All thoughts, comments greatly appreciated!

James

Since my Satellite receiver and previous DVD player run through the Denon AVR 4306 to switch, with a single HDMI to the TV, I'm limited to one setting for all of the different units.

My picture settings work just fine for the DISH network receiver and previous Sony DVD player, and when I compare the PS3 DVD output to my previous Sony DVD player output, the Sony DVD player looks brighter and more compatible with the video settings I've been using. When watching PS3 output, I have to raise the brightness and then lower it again to watch DISH -- I didn't have to do this with my other Sony DVD player, it looked perfect.

The only way to know for sure what you are seeing is to get a calibration disc like DVE or GetGray. IIRC, the PS3 clips BTB and WTW with both YCbCr and RGB. But 16-235 appears to be intact (and not expanded to PC video) so it it may just be a calibration issue for you. What calibration settings were you comparing it to?

larry

I concur.
This is a teapot tempest here since VIDEO levels are passed properly.

Now I *would* like non VIDEO codes passed since is does allow for more precise calibration of display as well as processing data points for the scaler, but there is no *crushing* or level expansion going on.

ted Video values below 16 and above 235 are allowed and are encoded in movies. So we are missing some movie data, but not much.

larry

It is only the 60Gb version of PS3 that has an HDMI output, though, isn't it?
No, both the 20Gb and 60Gb PS3's have HDMI.

James S,

If you're saying both your HD DVD and BD are inferior to what you have on your HD DVR you definitely have a problem. Here are some ideas:

1. What output setting have you selected for your PS3? Make sure it's 1080i or the one that automatically selects the highest your set will accept.

2. Have you tried a component connection with your HD DVD player? That should still be superior to whatever you recorded on your DVR. If the component connection does the trick, you've got a problem with your HDMI/DVI cable or a problem with the DVI input on your set.

3. I assume you've calibrated your set to your liking for the DVR. Does your set have universal settings or can you adjust each input separately? Are you sure your disc problems aren't related to your picture settings? Sorry about this somewhat basic question, but I noted this was your first post.

4. Since you're having problems with both disc players, my best guess is it's the DVI input on your set. Or the cable, assuming you've been using the same one for both players. If your DVR has a DVI connection try that. If it degrades the picture over your component input, which I assume you're using now, its more than likely the DVI input on your set.

Maybe I am missing something important, but someone please help me with the following:

60 GB PS3 $599
Samsung Blu Ray player $799
Sony Blu Ray player $999

Tell me why I should not just go get the PS3 as my Blu Ray player for Sony 46"XBR2 LCD TV. If it outputs 1080p via HDMI directly to my TV, and 5.1 surround sound via toslink optical directly to my Denon receiver, why spend 200-400 more on a stand alone unit???

Video values below 16 and above 235 are allowed and are encoded in movies. So we are missing some movie data, but not much.

larry

I know that, but a properly calibrated display would have 16 at black thus anything below should *not* be visible (other than to the processing or black float for CRT's). >235 of course can be handled differently (I choose to allow these codes for my display).

ted

Maybe I am missing something important, but someone please help me with the following:

60 GB PS3 $599
Samsung Blu Ray player $799
Sony Blu Ray player $999

Tell me why I should not just go get the PS3 as my Blu Ray player for Sony 46"XBR2 LCD TV. If it outputs 1080p via HDMI directly to my TV, and 5.1 surround sound via toslink optical directly to my Denon receiver, why spend 200-400 more on a stand alone unit???
That's what I'm thinking, too. See the linked Sound & Vision "Blue Ray Player Shootout." Guess which player wins?

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hd-dvd-bluray/1927/shootout-3-blu-ray-disc-players.html

Maybe I am missing something important, but someone please help me with the following:

60 GB PS3 $599
Samsung Blu Ray player $799
Sony Blu Ray player $999

Tell me why I should not just go get the PS3 as my Blu Ray player for Sony 46"XBR2 LCD TV. If it outputs 1080p via HDMI directly to my TV, and 5.1 surround sound via toslink optical directly to my Denon receiver, why spend 200-400 more on a stand alone unit???

The 20 GB PS3 is $499... you can upgrade the HD if necessary.

egrady,

thx for the feedback. I have all the connections and settings proper on the PS3 and TV.

I remember comparing component vs. dvi when I first bought my HD player with no noticeable difference. Typically my HD DVD's have had good color performance (equivalent to cable HD), however, the depth and detail (which I'll blame on the lack of calibration) is not present as some of the recent sets I've seen hooked up to HD or BD players.

The HDMI cable and converter are in good shape as well.

Why would the PS3 have less color "pop" than my other sources.

I am going to test the PS3 at a co-workers this weekend. He has a Sony KDS2000 series set. I certainly hope two engineers can determine the root cause of this frustrating situation. I sure was excited about doubling my available HD content with the addition of Bluray capabilities.

Thanks
James

That's what I'm thinking, too. See the linked Sound & Vision "Blue Ray Player Shootout." Guess which player wins?

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hd-dvd-bluray/1927/shootout-3-blu-ray-disc-players.html

I have both players, ps3, and BD-s1, which I got for 450$, and I would say the PS3 is just as good. Running to a 50" hdtv over hdmi.

nice thing about the ps3, is the fact that it is about, 400% faster

Is there a way to stop the Playstation 3 from stretching 4:3 DVD videos (ie filling the screen)? I don't like the stretched quality and never select such a setting. I'm using an HDMI connection to my 720P/1080i TV from the Playstation 3. I've read the manual, tried a few different settings in the BD/DVD menu, but nothing seems to point on how to leave 4:3 videos alone as is. I thought "DVD Wide Display" looked promising, but one must have set up the video to go to a 4:3 screen which I don't have. I have "BD/DVD Video Output Format(HDMI) set to "Automatic". Perhaps via an HDMI connection, the Playstation just goes into it's "fill the screen mode" on 4:3 DVD's and that's the way it is? Any ideas?

Cancel my above question.....I had the aspect ratio of my TV set to fixed 16:9, not "change by source"....dooohhhhh!

Does anyone have a recommendation on which component cable gives the PS3 best picture quality? Since the PS3 requires a cable to support its MULTI AV connector the options seems limited to cheaper basic adapters that range from $5 - 25 buck to Monster cable version. I tried the HDMI output to the DVI input on my Mits 73" CRT RPTV and feel that component input might do better since it is an analog set. My SD-DVD, HD-DVD, Dish 6000 boxes go to the TV through component input and the color/black levels seem better than PS3, even after tweaking. Thanks.

discs4sale,

Can you try the HDMI out on your HD-DVD player to see if you notice the same issue? I have raised this same issue just above on this page. I also have a Mits CRT with DVI only and am starting to get real frustrated with the DVI input performance.

I may have to re-evaluate the component vs. HDMI output comparison I did on the HD player. Didn't notice a difference six months ago but it's worth another shot.

Thanks
James

James S,
I've always notice some sort of difference using the DVI input on my Mits when I was using my Momitsu DVI output for 1080i upconversion and viewing of other region coded DVDs, but my primary player was a Denon 3800 through component. The Momitsu DVI was more "sharp" and that was probably attributed to the upscaling but the color/gamma/brightness seemed off one way or the other. I thought it was just the Momitsu.

I tried HDMI output on my Toshiba HD-A2 to Mits DVI input, but the A2 has a bug which only outputs 480p to a DVI set so I didn't both analyzing the picture quality. When an A2 firmware is available to address this I can experience to see if the off-ness of the Mits DVI input is consistent between different sources.

I'm thinking the DVI input on the CRT RPTV is just there for compatibility as there weren't too many video components from 3 years ago that took advantage of it. The IEEE 1394 port on the Mits was a different story and worked awesome with my JVC and Mitsu D_VHS decks. Of course 1394 was the preferred interface for HD video back then.

My question concerns audio output from BD movies. When playing games on the ps3 I can get surround sound no problem. I am using a bose lifestyle 5.1 system so I cant adjust the settings on what decoders I am using, the system does this itself. When playing BD movies...I dont get sound from my rear speakers. Im guessing that is because the ps3 is outputing 7.1 thru my hdmi to my tv and my tv is kicking the audio back to my bose regular composite cables. Im guessing that I am using dolby digital to get the 5.1 thru the composite lines to my bose reciever and that the 7.1 isnt getting my signal to my rear channels. The ps3 says that if 7.1 audio is available on a disk, the ps3 will automatically output that signal. However like I said, I think resistance has 7.1 but I get full surround out of that game.If you don't have HDMI input on your receiver, you should connect via optical from the PS3 to the receiver and select "bitstream" as the output type (which will allow your receiver to do the Dolby decoding).

Maybe I am missing something important, but someone please help me with the following:

60 GB PS3 $599
Samsung Blu Ray player $799
Sony Blu Ray player $999

Tell me why I should not just go get the PS3 as my Blu Ray player for Sony 46"XBR2 LCD TV. If it outputs 1080p via HDMI directly to my TV, and 5.1 surround sound via toslink optical directly to my Denon receiver, why spend 200-400 more on a stand alone unit???You only get 5.1 surround via TOSlink if you allow the receiver to decode; you won't be able to get TrueHD or PCM lossless sound. A player with analog outputs will be able to decode the lossless PCM and output it to the receiver.

V1.3 spec allows for a different connector.Perhaps it allows for a different connector, but the PS3 has a standard HDMI connector. Any cable should work.

Has anyone experienced this with their PS3? While watching a BR movie, the PS3's DVD menu (which you get by hitting triangle on the gamepad) mysteriously appears. It happened 3 times while watching "Invincible" and the second and third times I made sure the gamepad was away from me to make sure I wasn't inadvertently doing it. This also happened while watching "Click". Anyone have this happen?

That's what I'm thinking, too. See the linked Sound & Vision "Blue Ray Player Shootout." Guess which player wins?

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hd-dvd-bluray/1927/shootout-3-blu-ray-disc-players.html


Plus, with the firmware updates, the PS3 has the potential to get better and better......

You only get 5.1 surround via TOSlink if you allow the receiver to decode; you won't be able to get TrueHD or PCM lossless sound. A player with analog outputs will be able to decode the lossless PCM and output it to the receiver.

So how would I hook up a PS3 (or any other Blu Ray player for that matter) to get lossless sound? It seems strange to me that I would get "better" (if lossless is indeed better) sound from analog transmission than with fiber optic.

Sorry if this has been asked before, but there's so many pages to this thread. With the PS3 can I just use any HDMI cable out there or is there something stopping me from doing that?

So how would I hook up a PS3 (or any other Blu Ray player for that matter) to get lossless sound? It seems strange to me that I would get "better" (if lossless is indeed better) sound from analog transmission than with fiber optic.

I get mine via HDMI. From my ps3 to onkyo 604, and from there to the tv. Sound is noticeably better, than what I had from an optical connection prior to the ps3.

Sorry if this has been asked before, but there's so many pages to this thread. With the PS3 can I just use any HDMI cable out there or is there something stopping me from doing that?Any HDMI cable will work.

larry

So how would I hook up a PS3 (or any other Blu Ray player for that matter) to get lossless sound? It seems strange to me that I would get "better" (if lossless is indeed better) sound from analog transmission than with fiber optic.TOSlink can only carry 2 channel PCM or 5.1 channel Dolby / DTS (for decoding in your AVR). It can't carry multi-channel lossless. So the best sound quality is to carry LPCM via HDMI (assuming you have an AVR which supports it). If not second best option is decode in the player and use analog outs. If not that then send DD/DTS bitstream via optical to AVR for decoding.

- Talk

Does anyone have a recommendation on which component cable gives the PS3 best picture quality? Since the PS3 requires a cable to support its MULTI AV connector the options seems limited to cheaper basic adapters that range from $5 - 25 buck to Monster cable version. I tried the HDMI output to the DVI input on my Mits 73" CRT RPTV and feel that component input might do better since it is an analog set. My SD-DVD, HD-DVD, Dish 6000 boxes go to the TV through component input and the color/black levels seem better than PS3, even after tweaking. Thanks.


Get a good quality cable. I tried these ASiD cables from Future Shop / Best Buy in Canada for $40 and have to say they are low quality. I had lots of distortion -- lines, static, and shimmering. They are advertised as being shielded on the their Web site but I don't think they are as they didn't work for me and it doesn't say anything about being sheilded on the packaging.

I must say though that my main run of component from my receiver to projector is probably over 40 feet long. When I tried connecting the cables directly to a different TV upstairs, I didn't notice any major distortion. I have to say though that if I had distortion on the long run, there may be problems with the picture if you look at a test disc with patterns and resolution.

I eventually borrowed my brother's PS2 component cables that he bought from Electronics Boutique for around $20 and didn't have the distorition.

My final solution was Monster cables for $80 -- only because I coudn't find anyone with PS2 or PS3 component cables in stock. I was lucky to pick-up the Monsters because they didn't have any in stock last week and they only had two left when I picked mine up. Otherwise, these cables are really dressed-up nice. Easily the nicest looking cables that I have ever had.

This is from the Future Shop web-site:

Released 15 Dec/06. The ASiD Tech PS3 HD Pro Component Cable With Optical Audio Cable allows you to connect your PS3 to AV equipment that support RGB component inputs and optical audio inputs. Using these cables with your PS3 will give you impeccable, distortion-free picture at a maximum resolution of 1080i and digital audio quality. More Info

WebID: 10083611
Mfr. Part Number: 884095103088

More Information

FEATURES:

Easy to identify color-coded bands for simple, error-free hookup.

High-density double shielding for maximum rejection of RFI and EMI.

Gold plated contacts for optimum signal transfer and corrosion resistance.

Uses three cables to send color signal separately for improved picture.

Optical cable allows for Digital Audio to transmit from your PS3.

I concur.
This is a teapot tempest here since VIDEO levels are passed properly.

Now I *would* like non VIDEO codes passed since is does allow for more precise calibration of display as well as processing data points for the scaler, but there is no *crushing* or level expansion going on.

ted

I don't know what sets you guys have but on my HLS5688W it makes a difference. Just got done watching MI-3 and the there are so many dark scenes and the grayscale for shadows is horrible. It is much better watching 1080i movies from my Verizon Fios service...If I turn up the brightness, the bright scenes like when someones in a building with light coming the contrast is too great.

I don't think it is yet widely known that you can do this. Like many, Sony's annoying lack of an IR receiver on the PS3 was almost a deal breaker for me in getting a PS3 as a Blu Ray player. This is unfortunate as it sounds like the thing is a fantastic player, better future-proofed for featues than all the current stand-alone players, way cheaper and will have good resale value as well. I have a lot of effort set up in my Harmony 880 remote and IR distribution setup, and REALLY don't want to use the PS3 controller or even the bluetooth remote in addition to my current setup.

Some smart folks have figured out how to set up a few cheap relays with the old PS2 remote and a USB converter that solves the problem. I don't know if anyone will ever make a more elegant approach, but this is great for now and both parts can be had for very cheap on EBay. Here are two links to how it works:

http://www.remotecentral.com/articles/ps3-ir-remote2.htm

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/24/control-your-playstation-3-with-ir/

I hope this helps a few people out. For me, it's the last bit that made me decide to go with a PS3 as a Blu Ray player at least for now. If BD wins this war eventually, I'll replace it later with a high-end, full featured stand-alone player, but for now I think this is a great solution.


Greg

I don't think it is yet widely known that you can do this. Like many, Sony's annoying lack of an IR receiver on the PS3 was almost a deal breaker for me in getting a PS3 as a Blu Ray player. This is unfortunate as it sounds like the thing is a fantastic player, better future-proofed for featues than all the current stand-alone players, way cheaper and will have good resale value as well. I have a lot of effort set up in my Harmony 880 remote and IR distribution setup, and REALLY don't want to use the PS3 controller or even the bluetooth remote in addition to my current setup.

Some smart folks have figured out how to set up a few cheap relays with the old PS2 remote and a USB converter that solves the problem. I don't know if anyone will ever make a more elegant approach, but this is great for now and both parts can be had for very cheap on EBay. Here are two links to how it works:

http://www.remotecentral.com/articles/ps3-ir-remote2.htm

http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/24/control-your-playstation-3-with-ir/

I hope this helps a few people out. For me, it's the last bit that made me decide to go with a PS3 as a Blu Ray player at least for now. If BD wins this war eventually, I'll replace it later with a high-end, full featured stand-alone player, but for now I think this is a great solution.


Greg
Cool stuff, thanks Greg! I have an "original" PS2 and a wireless kit that came with 2 ir receivers and a remote( non Sony ). I run into the usb adapter, maybe I'll give that a try. BTW: http://www.1powershop.com/products/games/sony-psxps2-controller-to-pc-usb-adapter.html
Not elegant, but function. Seems like alot of the online shops are out of the adapters...

I don't know what sets you guys have but on my HLS5688W it makes a difference. Just got done watching MI-3 and the there are so many dark scenes and the grayscale for shadows is horrible. It is much better watching 1080i movies from my Verizon Fios service...If I turn up the brightness, the bright scenes like when someones in a building with light coming the contrast is too great.
You can't tell by just "looking" if your TV is properly calibrated (or as best as can be done given the source and its issues). Proper calibration for cable box output and a DVD player can be quite different. One size doesn't fit all. :) You need to pop in a calibration disc like DVE or GetGray. The grayscale ramps with the "tick" marks are problaby the best ones to use to see how "smooth" the grayscale transition is from black to white and to make sure "black" is where it should be and where the whites stop getting brighter. On the PS3, WTW is clipped so whites should start looking the same where the "tick' mark points for reference white.

larry

I think it's fair to say, however, that when you have one set of video settings that work fine for your satellite/cable box *and* previous DVD player, but then the PS3 seems dark with the same settings, something is remiss with the PS3. This is my situation, and because I switch my components using the Denon, I don't run multiple components directly into the TV and so calibrating multiple inputs on the TV is somewhat useless.

You can't tell by just "looking" if your TV is properly calibrated (or as best as can be done given the source and its issues). Proper calibration for cable box output and a DVD player can be quite different. One size doesn't fit all. :) You need to pop in a calibration disc like DVE or GetGray. The grayscale ramps with the "tick" marks are problaby the best ones to use to see how "smooth" the grayscale transition is from black to white and to make sure "black" is where it should be and where the whites stop getting brighter. On the PS3, WTW is clipped so whites should start looking the same where the "tick' mark points for reference white.

larry

You can't tell by just "looking" if your TV is properly calibrated (or as best as can be done given the source and its issues). Proper calibration for cable box output and a DVD player can be quite different. One size doesn't fit all. :) You need to pop in a calibration disc like DVE or GetGray. The grayscale ramps with the "tick" marks are problaby the best ones to use to see how "smooth" the grayscale transition is from black to white and to make sure "black" is where it should be and where the whites stop getting brighter. On the PS3, WTW is clipped so whites should start looking the same where the "tick' mark points for reference white.

larry


Larry, I wrote earlier that I DID use DVE and it shows the the black being clipped as well as the white (Navigate to Title 12, Chapter 14, "Reverse Gray Ramps & Steps"). This is where I can definately see poorer grayscale/black levels then on my old POS Samsung DVD player. I'm not saying the detail and resolution is better, but you can have as much detail and resolution as you want but if the shadowing/grayscale isn't correct you can't see shiat in dark scenes.

Larry, I wrote earlier that I DID use DVE and it shows the the black being clipped as well as the white (Navigate to Title 12, Chapter 14, "Reverse Gray Ramps & Steps"). This is where I can definately see poorer grayscale/black levels then on my old POS Samsung DVD player. I'm not saying the detail and resolution is better, but you can have as much detail and resolution as you want but if the shadowing/grayscale isn't correct you can't see shiat in dark scenes.

I am not sure about this, but on the grey ramp patterns on DVE, are the furthest white and black blocks the above and below levels? SO in other words, if onle the end two blocks are the same, is it just WTW and BTB that is missing? If so, that is at least better than crush.

Something else to consider, reviews of many BD titles have revealed black crush issues on the disc itself...a byproduct of poor transfer/mastering.

I did a te last night. There is a scene in Shrek 2 (SD DVD, granted, but so is DVE) where the king is riding his horse to up to the tavern at night to meet Puss in Boots. This scene ha alot of dark detail and I use it as a test scene alot. I saw just as much detail on my PS3 as on my Xa1. So that made me feel that not so much is being cut off by the player

I think it's fair to say, however, that when you have one set of video settings that work fine for your satellite/cable box *and* previous DVD player, but then the PS3 seems dark with the same settings, something is remiss with the PS3. This is my situation, and because I switch my components using the Denon, I don't run multiple components directly into the TV and so calibrating multiple inputs on the TV is somewhat useless.For digital output of DVDs (all types) it should all be the same because the play the same source from the discs, but it's not always the case. You don't know till you pop in a calibration disc. Between deinterlacing and scaling and YCbCr->RGB conversion anything can happen. Also, most DVD players now have PQ controls. There's no guarantee that "neutral" settings leave the video "untouched". I'm not saying your wrong or anything of the like, just pointing out it's a good idea to always check calibration. Cable and sat boxes are different because we can't "validate" what we should be seeing.

And in your situation, as you know, you can get "burnt" easy because of only one input. I'm in the same boat with 1 DVI RGB connection from a HDMI switch. However, I can save multiple calibration settings in my plasma. And in the case of the PS3, it calibrates basically the same as my DVI output DVD player. I use different settings for HDMI output from my Comcast stb.

larry

Larry, I wrote earlier that I DID use DVE and it shows the the black being clipped as well as the white (Navigate to Title 12, Chapter 14, "Reverse Gray Ramps & Steps"). This is where I can definately see poorer grayscale/black levels then on my old POS Samsung DVD player. I'm not saying the detail and resolution is better, but you can have as much detail and resolution as you want but if the shadowing/grayscale isn't correct you can't see shiat in dark scenes.
Sorry, I missed the DVE part earlier. But the PS3 is not converting to PC RGB and distorting the grayscale before it hits your TV. There is little BTB info on movie discs so detail loss from missing BTB should be at a minimum and probably only if you have to scale/deinterlace the PS3 output, otherwise it's displayed as "black" on a digital display. White crush is probably more prevalent. If "black" on your TV starts at the left tick mark and goes smoothly up to the reference white tick mark on the ramps you should be ok. Try different brightness/contrast combinations. For me the PS3 was a relief compared to the PC RGB output by the Tosh A1. In a way, what some of you guys describe is what I see with the A1. I just use component output in the A1, it works very well.

larry

TOSlink can only carry 2 channel PCM or 5.1 channel Dolby / DTS (for decoding in your AVR). It can't carry multi-channel lossless. So the best sound quality is to carry LPCM via HDMI (assuming you have an AVR which supports it). If not second best option is decode in the player and use analog outs. If not that then send DD/DTS bitstream via optical to AVR for decoding.

- Talk
Right now my speaker configuration is 5.1 (that I do not plan to change to 7.1 b/c of room considerations). I also do not have HDMI compatible AVR. I can upgrade my AVR and have HDMI for $300. It would allow me to input PS3 and DirectTV HD receiver into AVR (which would obviously then have an output to my LCD TV). Would I experience a great increase in sound quality if I did this over just running the audio to the receiver via analog cable or TOSlink? Is it worth the extra $300? Even if it is worth it, I would only do it if I did not lose any video quality by running the video sources through the AVR instead of directly from the source to the lcd display?

Right now my speaker configuration is 5.1 (that I do not plan to change to 7.1 b/c of room considerations). I also do not have HDMI compatible AVR. I can upgrade my AVR and have HDMI for $300. It would allow me to input PS3 and DirectTV HD receiver into AVR (which would obviously then have an output to my LCD TV). Would I experience a great increase in sound quality if I did this over just running the audio to the receiver via analog cable or TOSlink? Is it worth the extra $300? Even if it is worth it, I would only do it if I did not lose any video quality by running the video sources through the AVR instead of directly from the source to the lcd display?
You shouldn't lose any PQ since it's a digital signal and as long as your AVR just passes the signal along. As for the audio, because it's a "lossless" set of tracks, I would hope it would be significantly better than the compressed version carried via optical. These are just my assumptions, correct me if I'm wrong.

MCarr33 posted: "Has anyone experienced this with their PS3? While watching a BR movie, the PS3's DVD menu (which you get by hitting triangle on the gamepad) mysteriously appears...."

I have had the same problem with the DVD menu appearing randomly. No idea what is causing it. :confused:

I was watching Invincible last night ont he PS3(blu-ray) and about half way thorugh the movie the picture disappeared and came back on. The hdmi, which is being switched through my denon as pass through, seemed to have lost its sync. Anyone have this problem?

Does anyone know of a place that lists what the buttons on the controller do when playing a BD? I never had a PS2, so I didn't know how that worked for DVD.

Does anyone know of a place that lists what the buttons on the controller do when playing a BD? I never had a PS2, so I didn't know how that worked for DVD.
While playing a movie, hit the triangle button on the controller. A screen over the movie will appear with all the movie functions. Use the direction buttons to hightlight any particular function. When a function is highlighted, right beneath the menu the function name will appear as well as the button on controller that controls that function.

While playing a movie, hit the triangle button on the controller. A screen over the movie will appear with all the movie functions. Use the direction buttons to hightlight any particular function. When a function is highlighted, right beneath the menu the function name will appear as well as the button on controller that controls that function.

Yeah, I figured that out. I was looking for a shortcut guide for the other buttons. It's pretty simple though.

I can upgrade my AVR and have HDMI for $300. It would allow me to input PS3 and DirectTV HD receiver into AVR (which would obviously then have an output to my LCD TV). Would I experience a great increase in sound quality if I did this over just running the audio to the receiver via analog cable or TOSlink? Is it worth the extra $300?Almost all reports are that the lossless PCM is stunning. I would think it would definitely be worth it, plus you would get simplified switching between components.
Even if it is worth it, I would only do it if I did not lose any video quality by running the video sources through the AVR instead of directly from the source to the lcd display?The video is all digital, regardless of whether you are going through the AVR or direct. I don't think there would be any loss of quality whatsoever.

- Talk

Talkstr8,

1.Do you see any advantages for one to wait until an HDMI 1.3 receiver arrives, or do you think buying a current HDMI receiver today that is capable of allowing for advanced audio is safe or future proof? I'm not sure how much 1.3 is really going to offer.

2. Is it normal for the PS3 to get very warm (in the back of the unit) after a two hour movie? My unit has plenty of room to breathe.

1.Do you see any advantages for one to wait until an HDMI 1.3 receiver arrives, or do you think buying a current HDMI receiver today that is capable of allowing for advanced audio is safe or future proof? I'm not sure how much 1.3 is really going to offer.I don't see the advantage as long as your player can decode the audio formats you care about. Otherwise I haven't seen anything suggesting it will provide compelling benefits for the video signal, at least based on today's content.
2. Is it normal for the PS3 to get very warm (in the back of the unit) after a two hour movie? My unit has plenty of room to breathe.Most reports I've seen suggest warm is fine. I wouldn't think anything should be too hot to touch, but warm would be normal.

Question

How does one play SACDs with the PS3? Does it require a 1.3 HDMI cable to the receiver?

The video is all digital, regardless of whether you are going through the AVR or direct. I don't think there would be any loss of quality whatsoever.

- Talk

I would like to hear more input on this. Is the video signal not prone to any theoretical loss on the pass through, or is it just a concensus that there is no practical loss. Or better yet, is it just negligible? If it is understood that there is no theoretical loss at all, what is the fundamental reasoning behind it? Simply because it's a digital signal, or is it because there is absolutely no processing going on?

Question

How does one play SACDs with the PS3? Does it require a 1.3 HDMI cable to the receiver?

I believe you need HDMI to get the full SACD quality, but you do not need an hdmi 1.3 receiver. And the cable is the same regardless.

Brandon

Yeah, I figured that out. I was looking for a shortcut guide for the other buttons. It's pretty simple though.
Which buttons?

Which buttons?

I meant the other buttons on the controller. The D-pad or analog stick can fast-forward and reverse, the start button pauses, etc.

I only have a couple of movies, but I'm very pleased so far with what I've seen. However, I was disappointed to see that it stretched the 4:3 featurette I watched on The Last Waltz to fill the 16x9 screen. Was there a setting I missed, or is this normal? Or is it the disc? I haven't tried any standard DVDs yet. I'm able to fix it myself on the projector, but I don't have to do this with my HD DVD player.

I just got a 60gb ps3 and wanted to have a couple of questions answered. My TV is a sony 50" projection LCD that is native 720p and supports 1080i. I have my ps3's max resolution set to 720p to have it run at the native resolution of the t.v. At this setting, my BD movies only display at 480p (Does Blue Ray not support 720p??), If I set my ps3's max resolution at 1080i, I do get 1080i from the Blue Ray movies. I also noticed that no matter what setting I use I still get black bars on top and bottom of my picture. Is this always the case w/ Blue Ray???

thanks for your help.

I think I might know the answer, but wanted to get confirmation. I want to set up my PS3 with my Onkyo receiver for audio and my Bravia for video. The Onkyo does not support HDMI, but allows for optical audio. Do I need to buy the Sony cables for component video and use optical audio to the Onkyo? I assume that I cannot use the HDMI to the bravio and use an optical audio to the Onkyo?

Thanks. It's still in the box as I'm debating whether it's worth $600. Might look to see my high end Pioneer DVD if there is decent Blue Ray availability.

I think I might know the answer, but wanted to get confirmation. I want to set up my PS3 with my Onkyo receiver for audio and my Bravia for video. The Onkyo does not support HDMI, but allows for optical audio. Do I need to buy the Sony cables for component video and use optical audio to the Onkyo? I assume that I cannot use the HDMI to the bravio and use an optical audio to the Onkyo?

You certainly can use HDMI for video and optical for audio. I'm doing that myself since I don't have an HDMI receiver. This should be allowed by most devices, as it would be very upsetting if people had to use HDMI (say, if ICT is used) but didn't have an HDMI receiver, as they could not get surround audio.

You just need to set it up in the system menu. You select what cable you will use for video, and for audio. One thing you'll need to know is that HDMI and optical audio are not the default settings, so you'll need to connect the composite cable that comes with it to see the menu and select HDMI and the audio.

jcacosta25,

Set your PS3 to 1080i. The Ps3 does not play nicely with 720p at present.

As for the black bars, what films do you have on Blu-Ray? The black bars serve the function of keeping the proper aspect ratio for movies shot wider than 1.78:1 (HDTV ratio). Many films have a 2.35:1 or 2.40:1 ratio that require the bars on the top and bottom. Usually, the specs. are listed on the back of the disc case. Most of the time the data is correct.

Learn to love the black bars. They are your friend. If you don't like them, then consider saving up for a front projection system with anamorphic lens and a scope screen. You'll get the full cinematic experience this way and no black bars, and no cropping of the image. That's what I'd like to get!

Any rumors as to when the next firmware update will be available, and what it covers?

I was watching Invincible last night ont he PS3(blu-ray) and about half way thorugh the movie the picture disappeared and came back on. The hdmi, which is being switched through my denon as pass through, seemed to have lost its sync. Anyone have this problem?
I had the same problem on BHD today. If I had blinked, I probably wouldn't have seen it. HDMI is going directly to TV from PS3.

I think it's fair to say, however, that when you have one set of video settings that work fine for your satellite/cable box *and* previous DVD player, but then the PS3 seems dark with the same settings, something is remiss with the PS3. This is my situation, and because I switch my components using the Denon, I don't run multiple components directly into the TV and so calibrating multiple inputs on the TV is somewhat useless.

Just want to say my experience has been the same with the PS3. The default settings were way off from my DVD settings. The picture was very dark with little detail, and at the same time, colors were too saturated and overblown. My initial reaction was bad and thought this can't be HD.

Are there PQ controls on the PS3? Maybe they can include this on a firmware update?

I also use my receiver for switching. Luckily, on my projector, I can load different memory settings.

Here is an interesting comparison between X-BOX (HD-DVD) and PS3 (BD):

http://www.gamescentral.com/blogs/tek_jansens_explosive_gaming_experience/archive/2006/12/26/ps3-blu-ray-vs-xbox-360-hd-dvd-vs-dvd.aspx

I've just done measurements of my PS3 vs my Oppo DV-970HD. Both are connected via HDMI, YCbCr 4:4:4, into a Crystalio II and then out via HDMI->DVI at 1080p60 to an LVM-47w1. Oppo is 480i out, PS3 is 480p out. Both were playing copies of the same GetGray disk, displaying the 10% Full Field and 100% Color Window patterns. Measurements were taken back-to-back with a Spyder2 using CalMAN software. Separate from measuring, I also displayed both sources simultaneously using the Crystalio's picture-by-picture support; viewed this way, all of the PS3's gray patterns (above 0%) were lighter/whiter than the Oppo's, including 100% white. Attached are the recorded measurements.

I would like to hear more input on this. Is the video signal not prone to any theoretical loss on the pass through, or is it just a concensus that there is no practical loss. Or better yet, is it just negligible? If it is understood that there is no theoretical loss at all, what is the fundamental reasoning behind it? Simply because it's a digital signal, or is it because there is absolutely no processing going on?I don't want to get into the whole "is a $100 HDMI cable any better than a $6 HDMI cable" argument, but fundamentally as long as the digital signal is being passed with little enough degradation for the receiving end to decode the data, the bits coming out are the same as the bits going in, which means anything happening in between should be inconsequential.

- Talk

After doing a lot of reading this weekend, I'm seriously considering purchasing a PS3 when I can find one locally. I currently own a Toshiba HD-A1 and XBox360 with HD-DVD addon. With two little ones running around I don't get to do much gaming. I was going to wait until the stand-alone prices came down and/or reasonable price combo unit to go Blu-ray. Now I'm thinking I may just sell my XBOX360 and put that money towards a PS3. This way I can start enjoying movies on Blu-ray, use Toshiba to watch SD and HD-DVD's, and game when I get the opportunity.

I've just done measurements of my PS3 vs my Oppo DV-970HD. Both are connected via HDMI, YCbCr 4:4:4, into a Crystalio II and then out via HDMI->DVI at 1080p60 to an LVM-47w1. Oppo is 480i out, PS3 is 480p out. Both were playing copies of the same GetGray disk, displaying the 10% Full Field and 100% Color Window patterns. Measurements were taken back-to-back with a Spyder2 using CalMAN software. Separate from measuring, I also displayed both sources simultaneously using the Crystalio's picture-by-picture support; viewed this way, all of the PS3's gray patterns (above 0%) were lighter/whiter than the Oppo's, including 100% white. Attached are the recorded measurements.
Nice chart. Any place that describes the data we see there? Also, what about reading straight from the PS3 without the Crystalio just to eliminate anything it may do. With the Spyder2 all the measurements were based on the light output of your LCD, yes?

larry

I don't want to get into the whole "is a $100 HDMI cable any better than a $6 HDMI cable" argument, but fundamentally as long as the digital signal is being passed with little enough degradation for the receiving end to decode the data, the bits coming out are the same as the bits going in, which means anything happening in between should be inconsequential.

- Talk Digital audio send via HDMI is encoded with error correction bits. Video is not, in case anybody was wondering... :)

larry

I've just done measurements of my PS3 vs my Oppo DV-970HD. Both are connected via HDMI, YCbCr 4:4:4, into a Crystalio II and then out via HDMI->DVI at 1080p60 to an LVM-47w1. Oppo is 480i out, PS3 is 480p out. Both were playing copies of the same GetGray disk, displaying the 10% Full Field and 100% Color Window patterns. Measurements were taken back-to-back with a Spyder2 using CalMAN software. Separate from measuring, I also displayed both sources simultaneously using the Crystalio's picture-by-picture support; viewed this way, all of the PS3's gray patterns (above 0%) were lighter/whiter than the Oppo's, including 100% white. Attached are the recorded measurements.


This means what for us lay idiots? PS 3 is better or worse than your PJ?

This means what for us lay idiots? PS 3 is better or worse than your PJ?Actually, with no offense intended to the OP, it doesn't mean much. :) If he posted the Oppo data we could see how it compares to the PS3 fed through the Crystalio II into his Westy LCD. Unless I'm totally mistaken, the data is generated by a light/color sensor reading the output of the LCD screen. So unless you have the same setup with the same settings on the display, it may not interest you.

larry

If he posted the Oppo data we could see how it compares to the PS3 fed through the Crystalio II into his Westy LCD.
There are two pages in the PDF, one is for the PS3, the other for the Oppo ...

Digital audio send via HDMI is encoded with error correction bits. Video is not, in case anybody was wondering... :)

larry
WHAT? Really? I thought that all digital data is sent with error correction bits, but it's only useful on a two way bus.
But my last comp sci architecture class was ten years ago...

I am finding that as i play Blu-ray movies on the PS3, its seems to have to handshake as it goes through the different menus of the disc. The screen goes blank for a second before it moves on to the next screen. Is anyone else noticing this??

I've watched 15 Blu-ray movies on my PS3 & haven't seen that problem.

So with all this said. Would you guys recommend buying this player as a stand alone blu ray player? I might play some Final Fantasy games at some point but mainly it will be for blu ray. Thanks

Any place that describes the data we see there?
There's a calibration guide for an older version of CalMAN on the CalMAN web site.
Also, what about reading straight from the PS3 without the Crystalio just to eliminate anything it may do.
The PS3 has handshaking problems over HDMI->HDMI with the display, and the HDMI port on the display has a green clipping problem anyway. Direct HDMI->DVI would be faulty as the RGB levels are different (16-235 vs 0-255; the Crystalio handles this mapping).
With the Spyder2 all the measurements were based on the light output of your LCD, yes?
Yes.

So with all this said. Would you guys recommend buying this player as a stand alone blu ray player? I might play some Final Fantasy games at some point but mainly it will be for blu ray. Thanks

Yes, at $499 it the most economical way to get in the High Def game. I have the PS3 and the $363 Toshiba HD-A1 (Continental airlines promotion).

I use it as a dedicated BD player.

Thanks. I'll probably pull the trigger soon. I already own the A1. However, its in the shop at the moment! Bought my first Blu Ray discs today.

Woah, big thread....

I'm not part of the Club just yet, but I'll be picking up a PS3 in the next couple months (tax return), primarily as a Blu-ray player.

I have a Westinghouse LVM-47w1. I'll be prepping ahead of time, ordering cables from Monoprice, and probably picking up a remote if I can find one locally.

I'm aware of the handshaking issues with the Westies, but I've heard, in rumor form, that if you run HDMI>DVI, the problem disappears. So I'll be picking up one of those in addition to a standard HDMI cable, see what happens. Since I'll eventually own more than one HDMI device, and the TV has only the one HDMI input, the extra cable will come in handy down the road, I'm sure. I'll be running TOSLink for the audio, since I have nothing that supports the HDMI-spec audio. Which is also a bit of a pain, since I have only one optical input on my receiver, but I can get a switcher from Monoprice for next to nothing, so I'm not too concerned about that.

Does the YPbPr selection work over DVI as well as HDMI? I'm not sure which the TV supports, but I guess I'll find out when I hook it up and start fiddling with the settings. The BTB and WYW clipping concerns me a bit, but it's possible I might not notice it.

There's a calibration guide for an older version of CalMAN on the CalMAN web site.

The PS3 has handshaking problems over HDMI->HDMI with the display, and the HDMI port on the display has a green clipping problem anyway. Direct HDMI->DVI would be faulty as the RGB levels are different (16-235 vs 0-255; the Crystalio handles this mapping).

Yes.

There is an option under BD settings on PS3 allowing Automatic, RGB or Ypbpr. Wouldn't using RGB allow for proper video levels, 0-255, when using HDMI to DVI adapter?

I own the Westy 42w2 and if I select ypbpr when using hdm-dvi, the screen turns pink. I have to use RGB to get the proper image. On the other hand, while using hdmi, the selection doesn't have any effect on the image during movie playback.

On an another matter, I did a calibration using AVIA and then again with the test pattterns on Sony blu-ray disks; I got different results in both instances. Brightness was way off with Avia. No wonder some of the movies I have watched recently had a washed out look to them. I had to dial the brightness down ten clicks when using the blu-ray disk test patterns. Of course, Avia is being output at 480p while the blu-ray disk patterns at 1080p. Should different resolutions affect the brightness as well as other user-adjustable parameters on one's display?

I thought I had this figured out before, but now I am stuck again...

After some research here, I was under the impression that I needed to set the audio output on my PS3 to bitstream, since my audio receiver does not have HDMI. Outputting via the optical audio connection, I am only getting 2.0 audio. My 360 HD player takes TrueHD audio, when present, and basically turns it into DTS quality audio that my receiver can play back--why won't the PS3 do the same thing and give me a version of the uncompressed audio via bitstream through the optical connection?

I am forced to watch "Kung Fu Hustle" in English because the only original language track is uncompressed, and I cannot get my PS3 to output the track through the optical connection as anything but 2.0. I tried setting it to both PCM and bitstream, and neither would give me surround sound. I thought that was the point of the bitstream setting, but I am obviously wrong.

Any ideas? I feel stupid...

There's a calibration guide for an older version of CalMAN on the CalMAN web site.

The PS3 has handshaking problems over HDMI->HDMI with the display, and the HDMI port on the display has a green clipping problem anyway. Direct HDMI->DVI would be faulty as the RGB levels are different (16-235 vs 0-255; the Crystalio handles this mapping).

Yes.Thanks. I don't believe when using HDMI->DVI that the video is converted to PC RGB. It appears to me that BTB and WTW are just clipped/snipped off.

larry

why won't the PS3 do the same thing and give me a version of the uncompressed audio via bitstream through the optical connection?

I am forced to watch "Kung Fu Hustle" in English because the only original language track is uncompressed, and I cannot get my PS3 to output the track through the optical connection as anything but 2.0. I tried setting it to both PCM and bitstream, and neither would give me surround sound. I thought that was the point of the bitstream setting, but I am obviously wrong.

When you play the uncompressed PCM track from a Blu-ray disc and you use an optical connection, you will get 2 ch output with either bitstream or PCM output. You will only get 2 ch output with optical. If you want a digital surround sound track, then you'll have to select the Dolby Digital option on the disc. Or, you can let your receiver "upmix" the 2 ch audio into a Dobly Pro Logic IIx surround, which also sounds great.

The uncompressed PCM tracks on these discs are motivation to upgrade your receiver to a HDMI model. I'm still living in the year 2003 with a receiver that doesn't do HDMI, so that's one of the items on my wishlist. The new Denon HDMI 1.3 receivers are gonna rock and I want to see what Pioneer Elite brings later this summer.

On an another matter, I did a calibration using AVIA and then again with the test pattterns on Sony blu-ray disks; I got different results in both instances. Brightness was way off with Avia. No wonder some of the movies I have watched recently had a washed out look to them. I had to dial the brightness down ten clicks when using the blu-ray disk test patterns. Of course, Avia is being output at 480p while the blu-ray disk patterns at 1080p. Should different resolutions affect the brightness as well as other user-adjustable parameters on one's display?

I took a look at the three test patterns on one of my rental Sony blu-ray discs. Don't remember seeing a "tool" for calibrating brightness or contrast. What did you use?

I'm currently using a Pioneer Elite receiver that's connected to Sanyo Z3 with a HDMI-DVI cable with HDMI adaptor. I haven't had any problems with Toshiba HD-A1 or cable box running HDMI through receiver. Anyone forsee a problem running the PS3 (HDMI) with this set-up because of the adaptor?

I apologize if this has already been discussed (I couldn't find it in this thread), but has anyone been able to get anything other than 48kHz LPCM to be sent out of the PS3 when the uncompressed LPCM track is selected? I was expecting to see 96kHz, but I've only seen 48kHz signals being received so far... I am outputting A/V via HDMI.

Or is it that the software is only encoded with 48kHz?

[QUOTE=cavalry12] if I select ypbpr when using hdm-dvi, the screen turns pink. I have to use RGB to get the proper image. QUOTE]

AFAIK DVI is RGB only so this is normal.

There is an option under BD settings on PS3 allowing Automatic, RGB or Ypbpr. Wouldn't using RGB allow for proper video levels, 0-255, when using HDMI to DVI adapter?
From what I see, no, it looks to me that the PS3 always outputs RGB as 16-235, it doesn't vary the RGB level based on HDMI vs DVI handshake.
I own the Westy 42w2 and if I select ypbpr when using hdm-dvi, the screen turns pink. I have to use RGB to get the proper image.
Not surprising, DVI is RGB only.

You certainly can use HDMI for video and optical for audio. I'm doing that myself since I don't have an HDMI receiver. This should be allowed by most devices, as it would be very upsetting if people had to use HDMI (say, if ICT is used) but didn't have an HDMI receiver, as they could not get surround audio.

You just need to set it up in the system menu. You select what cable you will use for video, and for audio. One thing you'll need to know is that HDMI and optical audio are not the default settings, so you'll need to connect the composite cable that comes with it to see the menu and select HDMI and the audio.

I connect my PS3 directly to the TV via HDMI and to a non-HDMI receiver via optical. What set-up for the PS3 so I get audio at the same time via both HDMI and optical. I want to use TV internal speakers for gaming and HT speakers for video/ music. Thanks.

Sorry if it's already answered. I'm using HDMI for the PS3. Is it normal for the PS3 to not boot Blu-ray movies if you don't switch your TV to the PS3 video input before turning on the system?

I connect my PS3 directly to the TV via HDMI and to a non-HDMI receiver via optical. What set-up for the PS3 so I get audio at the same time via both HDMI and optical. I want to use TV internal speakers for gaming and HT speakers for video/ music. Thanks.

Currently, you are unable to have both. You have to select either or with HDMI being the setting or optical. :cool:

I took a look at the three test patterns on one of my rental Sony blu-ray discs. Don't remember seeing a "tool" for calibrating brightness or contrast. What did you use?

It's an easter egg on sony disks. Hit menu, 7669 and then enter. I have only tried it on Underworld so far and it seems to work. You can calibrate brightness by using the first color bar pattern. Just look in the black area in the bottom right of the screen. There should be a barely visible white bar present. Turn the brightness way up till you see it and then bring it down till it's just visible. At least, that is my interpretation of the test. May be someone else can shed some more light if I'm wrong.

thoth and the rest, thanks for the clarification on video levels through hdmi-dvi. I'm still perplexed as to why there is such a difference when it comes to brightness with AVIA and Blu-ray disk patterns. Also, is there a way for my brightness to be off since I'm using hdmi-dvi? I say that because I watched kingdom of heaven and the whole movie looked washed out to me.

Thanks

When you play the uncompressed PCM track from a Blu-ray disc and you use an optical connection, you will get 2 ch output with either bitstream or PCM output. You will only get 2 ch output with optical. If you want a digital surround sound track, then you'll have to select the Dolby Digital option on the disc. Or, you can let your receiver "upmix" the 2 ch audio into a Dobly Pro Logic IIx surround, which also sounds great.

The uncompressed PCM tracks on these discs are motivation to upgrade your receiver to a HDMI model. I'm still living in the year 2003 with a receiver that doesn't do HDMI, so that's one of the items on my wishlist. The new Denon HDMI 1.3 receivers are gonna rock and I want to see what Pioneer Elite brings later this summer.

Thanks for the reply--this is what I was afraid of. Normally I would just choose another audio option, but on Kung Fu Hustle they only included the original language track uncompressed--there is no Dolby Digital option on the disc. Frustrating! I just assumed that they would give an alternative to the people like me who don't have an HDMI capable receiver. If there is literally no way to downconvert/remix uncompressed audio to send to the optical connection, then they should never, ever include an uncompressed track without a DD 5.1 counterpart. I don't want to watch Kung Fu Hustle in English, nor do I want to watch it with 2.0 sound, nor can I afford to upgrade my sound system after spending $3500 on a new TV and PS3.

My HD-A1 has built in analog 5.1 outputs and my 360 will output a "dumbed down" 5.1 via toslink, but apparently my PS3 just wants me to spend more money.

:mad:

It's an easter egg on sony disks. Hit menu, 7669 and then enter. I have only tried it on Underworld so far and it seems to work.
Thanks for the info, works on House of Flying Daggers too.

It's an easter egg on sony disks. Hit menu, 7669 and then enter. I have only tried it on Underworld so far and it seems to work.
Is this only doable with the BT remote?

I am finding that as i play Blu-ray movies on the PS3, its seems to have to handshake as it goes through the different menus of the disc. The screen goes blank for a second before it moves on to the next screen. Is anyone else noticing this??
Not for menus. I do see switching between 1080p and 1080i on the initial content on a disk: menu (1080p), rating (1080i), FBI & warnings (1080p), disclaimer (1080i), movie (1080p).

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My HD-A1 has built in analog 5.1 outputs and my 360 will output a "dumbed down" 5.1 via toslink, but apparently my PS3 just wants me to spend more money.
:mad:

yeah I agree, my HD-A2 does the same as the 360, downconverts the new audio formats to DTS via toslink. Bummed when I found out PS3 doesnt do the equivalent

if I select ypbpr when using hdm-dvi, the screen turns pink. I have to use RGB to get the proper image.

AFAIK DVI is RGB only so this is normal.
It's cool that it will send YCbCr. It's true that DVI is only spec'd for RGB and 99.9% of displays will only expect RGB. Some scalers with DVI inputs would like to see the YCbCr. My DVD player can send YCbCr via DVI and my plasma doesn't know what to do with it either. :)

larry

Is this only doable with the BT remote?
When your at the menu using the sixaxis hit triangle & the options comes up & there are numbers.

When your at the menu using the sixaxis hit triangle & the options comes up & there are numbers.
Thought so, couldn't remember off the top of my head. Thanks!

Could someone please explain what the 7669 test sections mean and how to use them for a Blue Ray movie?

It's cool that it will send YCbCr. It's true that DVI is only spec'd for RGB and 99.9% of displays will only expect RGB. Some scalers with DVI inputs would like to see the YCbCr. My DVD player can send YCbCr via DVI and my plasma doesn't know what to do with it either. :)

larry

That's right! My previous Iscan HD was capable of this now that you've jogged my memory, thanks. Still, won't help Cavalry though since his display seems to be in the 99.9% category. ;)

Great information here, I am getting ready to buy a PS3 but I am still confused on weather or not it will upscale regular DVD's to 1080p I have a sony SXRD and I will be connecting it via HDMI have I missed part in the previous threads? if so just a quick yes it will would be cool hehe.

thanks for any info!

... I have a sony SXRD and I will be connecting it via HDMI have I missed part in the previous threads? if so just a quick yes it will would be cool hehe.

thanks for any info!

The quick answer is "no."

Which HDMI receiver is the most afforable and outputs full 7.1 audio without any LFE glitch? Thanks

Talkstr8,

1.Do you see any advantages for one to wait until an HDMI 1.3 receiver arrives, or do you think buying a current HDMI receiver today that is capable of allowing for advanced audio is safe or future proof? I'm not sure how much 1.3 is really going to offer.


see this thread for an explanation of just how little 1.3 means for now:

future-proof receivers (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511)

When I play sopranos on my ps3 the sound filters out as PCM 2.0 when I use the optical cable. Is there any way to make PCM 5.1 output Dolby 5.1 into a receiver using an optical cable?

When I play sopranos on my ps3 the sound filters out as PCM 2.0 when I use the optical cable. Is there any way to make PCM 5.1 output Dolby 5.1 into a receiver using an optical cable?

no . From what I understand toslink/optical does not have enough bandwidth to support more then 2 channels of PCM. Need to upgrade to a HDMI AVR

edit: take that back about the bandwidth, according to this the minimum is 3.1Mbps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK

thought I read somewhere it was 1.5MBps would would mean 2 channel 44.1khz/16bit audio would barely fit

When I play sopranos on my ps3 the sound filters out as PCM 2.0 when I use the optical cable. Is there any way to make PCM 5.1 output Dolby 5.1 into a receiver using an optical cable?


Does the Sopranos not have a standard DD track on it in addition to the PCM track?

Great information here, I am getting ready to buy a PS3 but I am still confused on weather or not it will upscale regular DVD's to 1080p I have a sony SXRD and I will be connecting it via HDMI have I missed part in the previous threads?Interviews with Sony executives have suggested it is coming. Besides, does your TV not upscale? Perhaps not as well as the PS3 would, but many report stellar DVD PQ from the PS3 with run-of-the-mill upscaling TV's.

see this thread for an explanation of just how little 1.3 means for now:

future-proof receivers (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511)

Thanks, I've read that before. I'm just wondering if we'll have fewer handshake issues with 1.3 receiver/player/display combinations. Also, I'm wondering if the receivers will decode the advanced audio better than the players. Also, I've heard an interesting theory that possibly HDMI 1.3 will allow for better video transmission (I saw a post about this by David Boulet on another forum - maybe he can chime in here).

Interviews with Sony executives have suggested it is coming. Besides, does your TV not upscale? Perhaps not as well as the PS3 would, but many report stellar DVD PQ from the PS3 with run-of-the-mill upscaling TV's.

All of the SXRD sets will only display at 1920 x 1080 progressive, upscaling and deinterlacing, if necessary, to get there. I doubt he would really see much difference (particularly if he has the "right" DRC mode set, but that would require checking the relevent Owners and/or Tweaks thread, which can all be reached from my sig). :)

Which HDMI receiver is the most afforable and outputs full 7.1 audio without any LFE glitch? Thanks

I'm interested in this as well.

I don't want to worry about upconverting since I have my HD-A1 for that. I just want the cheapest way to get the PCM signal from my PS3 to a receiver via HDMI--and I don't want to pay for anything more than that.

It seems like more than a few of us aren't satisfied with the 2.0 that is coming out of our optical connections. I can spare a few hundred dollars from my tax return, but not much more. I almost ordered a $300 Sony HDMI receiver from Amazon until I read the fine print and realized that it was pass through only and wouldn't input and play the audio signal, just pass it on. Waiting for a great new $1000 unit to come out later this year won't work, as that is out of my budget until I pay off the new TV.

Anybody have any suggestions?

Great information here, I am getting ready to buy a PS3 but I am still confused on weather or not it will upscale regular DVD's to 1080p I have a sony SXRD and I will be connecting it via HDMI have I missed part in the previous threads? if so just a quick yes it will would be cool hehe.

thanks for any info!

I have a PS3 and a SXRD. Your TV does the upconverting and the picture quality of playing DVD's on the Sony is awesome! I can't imagine anything looking much better.

hi. not sure if my datapoint will be helpful but i have PS3 & Sony 34XBR2 connected via component cable, through a cheapo component-switchbox that i got at gamestop.
i've only watched one movie, the free _talladega nights_ and it looked great - better than a DVD. maybe that was placebo effect... if I had a DVD copy of that movie I could actually do a decent A/B test. but it's doubtful that i'll do that.
i've adjusted my netflix membership so it will 'default' to blu-ray where possible.
really, i did not mean to adopt either blu-ray or HD-DVD, but i "had to" get the PS3, so now i'm "stuck" in the blu-ray camp! go sony!

I have just gone format neutral by picking up a PS-3 . I am in need of wise consul regarding connection to my 50" plasma and non HDMI AVR. I am assuming that the best video would by by HDMI but I am unsure of the audio . If I use optical out to the receiver would the best setting be bitstream to get 5.1 or PCM for 2 channel out and add PLIIx to get 7.1 . I would prefer not to have to change the setting to switch between DD and LPCM tracks. Thanks in advance.

It seems like more than a few of us aren't satisfied with the 2.0 that is coming out of our optical connections.

You guys are starting to confuse me on this issue. I only have hdmi for video (straight to the tv) and optical for audio to my receiver, and I haven't played a movie yet that didn't give me the core DTS or DD 5.1 track via optical to my receiver. Unless I just wasn't paying attention and didn't notice, optical has always fed 5.1 surround to my receiver. I've rented nearly every blu ray movie that has been discussed in this thread, including Kung Fu Hustle, so can somebody fill me in as to specifically what issue you guys are dealing with? Is it the non-english track that was not allowing surround?

I thought I was watching Ice Age 2, which comes with DTS 6.1 surround, and I got the 5.1 downmix out of it via optical. Was I just mistaken?

Brandon

I have just gone format neutral by picking up a PS-3 . I am in need of wise consul regarding connection to my 50" plasma and non HDMI AVR. I am assuming that the best video would by by HDMI but I am unsure of the audio . If I use optical out to the receiver would the best setting be bitstream to get 5.1 or PCM for 2 channel out and add PLIIx to get 7.1 . I would prefer not to have to change the setting to switch between DD and LPCM tracks. Thanks in advance.


Hi Bubba3. To be honest, I've played with both of the setups you are describing and prefer the 2 channel PCM with DPL II for some movies and bitstream for others. It comes down to how much dedicated LFE is in a particular movie's soundtrack as the 2 channel PCM option offers no dedicated LFE info. Bass still sounds great as your AVR / pre pro will route low frequency info to your sub according to whatever crossover point you select but it will not have the same level of SLAM as with dedicated LFE info encoded into the signal.

I'll give you an example - on Ice Age 2, I prefer to use PCM with DPL II Music as I find the sound far more enveloping / engrossing than with the bitstream track (which DOES sound very good as well) BUT when a large section of ice comes crashing down into the valley in the first few chapters of the film, it lacks that viceral impact through my sub that the bitstream track offers. It isn't a huge deal to me as my 1 year old daughter is typically asleep during viewing and I am forced to turn down sub output anyways but it will probably be noticable to most people. You need to decide if you want more detail and envelopment or if you want a touch less detail / envelopment but want viceral impact.

Of course, none of this matters if you watch movies without a lot of dedicated LFE info.

Try both methods and see which you prefer. I know that my Arcam excels at DPL II decoding so it works very well for me but that may not be the case with your AVR / pre pro.

Hope that helps.

You guys are starting to confuse me on this issue. I only have hdmi for video (straight to the tv) and optical for audio to my receiver, and I haven't played a movie yet that didn't give me the core DTS or DD 5.1 track via optical to my receiver. Unless I just wasn't paying attention and didn't notice, optical has always fed 5.1 surround to my receiver. I've rented nearly every blu ray movie that has been discussed in this thread, including Kung Fu Hustle, so can somebody fill me in as to specifically what issue you guys are dealing with? Is it the non-english track that was not allowing surround?

I thought I was watching Ice Age 2, which comes with DTS 6.1 surround, and I got the 5.1 downmix out of it via optical. Was I just mistaken?

Brandon
It really depends on the BD and what's offered on the disc. I've heard DD 5.1 or DTS 5/6.1 on most of the BD's I've watched. But Kung Fu Hustle offers the Cantonese track only in stereo, so my AVR creates a Pro Logic II mix. However the same BD offers the English track in 5.1.

BTW, my setup is similiar to yours: HDMI/DVI to TV then toslink to AVR.

You guys are starting to confuse me on this issue. I only have hdmi for video (straight to the <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=0&k=tv%20and" onmouseover="window.status='tv) and'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">tv) and</a> optical for audio to my receiver, and I haven't played a movie yet that didn't give me the core DTS or DD 5.1 track via optical to my receiver. Unless I just wasn't paying attention and didn't notice, optical has always fed 5.1 surround to my receiver. I've rented nearly every blu ray movie that has been discussed in this thread, including Kung Fu Hustle, so can somebody fill me in as to specifically what issue you guys are dealing with? Is it the non-english track that was not allowing surround?

I thought I was watching Ice Age 2, which comes with DTS 6.1 surround, and I got the 5.1 downmix out of it via optical. Was I just mistaken?

Brandon
The uncompressed PCM soundtracks ALWAYS get output as 2.0 ch PCM over optical, but the Dolby Digital tracks get output at 640 kbps DD surround, and DTS HD Master Audio get output as the core 1.5 mbps DTS surround. As has been said, somtimes the 2.0 ch PCM over optical sounds better than the actual digital 5.1 surround, and sometimes the DD or DTS 5.1 sound better.

It is generally confirmed that if you use optical, then you should use "bitstream" as the output. You can play around with whether or not selecting the uncompressed PCM soundtrack or the DD soundtrack work better on those movies that offer an uncompressed PCM option. The uncompressed PCM in House of Flying Daggers over optical in 2ch upconverted to Dolby Pro Logic II in my AVR sounds phenomenal. However, there is not even any comparsion to using an AVR with HDMI that can handle the 5.1 uncompressed PCM. Its as good as it gets.

Does the Sopranos not have a standard DD track on it in addition to the PCM track?


It doesn't. It only has PCM. I'm going to try the Dolby Pro Logic method Porterhouse recommended tonight.

I have a PS3 and a SXRD. Your TV does the upconverting and the picture quality of playing DVD's on the Sony is awesome! I can't imagine anything looking much better.

In general, you are better off inputting 480p to the SXRD via component instead of HDMI. The SXRD "over filters" 480p and 480i for the HDMI inputs. This was specifically demonstrated to me by my ISF tech when he was calibrating individual components/inputs. UMR (an AVS member and very well thought of ISF tech) noted the same thing on the SXRD thread after doing his initial calibration of the set.

It doesn't. It only has PCM. I'm going to try the Dolby Pro Logic method Porterhouse recommended tonight.

Let us know how it sounds. Do you have DPLII or DPLIIx?

PS: Love the screen name...this season looks awesome! :D

If you don't have HDMI input on your receiver, you should connect via optical from the PS3 to the receiver and select "bitstream" as the output type (which will allow your receiver to do the Dolby decoding).

Thanks for replying. Honestly I wish it were that easy. I've got an older bose lifestyle system that I got cheap. Anyway...my system doesnt have an optical input...only a digital coax input. Obviously...my ps3 doesnt have a digital coax output, along with most everything else in the world. I tried looking for a reciever that would switch from digital coax to optical for me but I cant find anything at a decent price. What I did find I could build a whole new surround system for.

The meat of my question lies with the fact that Im getting, what I would consider, nice surround of of my ps3 games running the same path as my BR movies but with the movies Im getting nothing coming from the rear speakers.

Conspiracy,

Have you considered something like this: http://www.smarthome.com/77709.html ?

I know that it's a somewhat expensive resolution, but considering the alternatives (upgrading to a new receiver) it's relatively cheap. I don't know how well it performs, perhaps somebody else here could shed some light on that for you?

Brandon

Conspiracy,

Have you considered something like this: http://www.smarthome.com/77709.html ?

I know that it's a somewhat expensive resolution, but considering the alternatives (upgrading to a new receiver) it's relatively cheap. I don't know how well it performs, perhaps somebody else here could shed some light on that for you?

Brandon

I've used these before (different brand) and it worked great. You can probably find one cheaper. I paid less than that more than 5 years a go for a converter.

I bought two Optical to Digital Coaxial Adapters
on
ebay:
http://stores.*********/SPECIALTY-AUDIO-VIDEO

I paid $15 for them. I bought one to hook up my XBox 360, and it worked so well, that I ordered another one when I got my PS3.
They come with a power adapter, so they are active and don't need batteries.
He sells Digital Coax to optical adapters too.

Has anyone tried the component video output of the PS3? I know it requires Sony's specific cables for this.

The reason I'm asking, my CRT RPTV has HDMI and, of course, component. However, I'm going to be using HDMI 1080i for the Toshiba HD-A2 because of its upscaling capabilities and maybe component at 1080i for the PS3. The reason being is my display allows for only ONE calibration setting for each input/scanrate. This way I can make a specifically calibrated 1080i for PS3 and a specifically created 1080i for the Toshiba. There is virtually no difference in image quality on my display between HDMI and component, but just wondering how well the PS3 outputs 1080i component - I suspect there is no clipping issue for one.

Hi everyone, the HDMI thing is still new to me so i have a few questions was hoping maybe some one could help. I have a Samsung 56" DLP with 1 HDMI connection. The TV does 1080i and 720p. I'm hooking up a PS3 and HD-A1 into the 604, both via HDMI for sound and picture. I was wondering if someone could assist with the PS3 settings. Under BR settings for video if I select anything other than RGB, I get purplish-red video. Is that right? When I set audio to PCM I get no sound, and when I set to Bitstream it seems to convert to DTS only and won't even play back uncompressed pcm tracks. No matter what setting i use for audio, i can't get sound in PS3 games only blu ray movies.

I must be doing something wrong or the receiver is bad. I just got it yesterday so no problem returning it. I'm having another problem with the HD-A1 (which works fine connected to the TV hdmi) where the image is red. Nothing I do seems to fix this problem. Anyway, since this a PS3 thread in the Blu Ray forum I will save that question for the HD-DVD folks. Thanks for any help anyone can offer.


Joe


P.S. Does anyone know of a thread or sticky on this forum for general HDMI hookup questions with HD formats and HDMI receivers? I tried a search but got like a million threads that didn't seem to specifically help me.

Has anyone tried the component video output of the PS3? I know it requires Sony's specific cables for this.

The reason I'm asking, my CRT RPTV has HDMI and, of course, component. However, I'm going to be using HDMI 1080i for the Toshiba HD-A2 because of its upscaling capabilities and maybe component at 1080i for the PS3. The reason being is my display allows for only ONE calibration setting for each input/scanrate. This way I can make a specifically calibrated 1080i for PS3 and a specifically created 1080i for the Toshiba. There is virtually no difference in image quality on my display between HDMI and component, but just wondering how well the PS3 outputs 1080i component - I suspect there is no clipping issue for one. Somewhere somebody mentioned the PS3 output was softer, however I'd only believe it when I saw it myself. Although there is the combo adapter which breaks out the analog output. It may not be 75 ohm. Also, I think the BTB and WTW clipping is for everything. I happens with YCbCr too. I guess a HDMI switch is out of the question because of lack of memory for settings?

larry

I guess a HDMI switch is out of the question because of lack of memory for settings?

larry

Yep.

I could make calibrations on the PS3 itself, but I don't like doing that normally - and it's impossible to calibrate for each individual color that way (red, green, and blue).

I think I may just go buy the adapter and try it out. If the component isn't as good, I could just use the Toshiba for component and just not upscale (or upscale with it being slightly off). When I briefly used the HD-A1 it did very well with component. I assume the HD-A2 which I ordered is just as good.

Somewhere somebody mentioned the PS3 output was softer, however I'd only believe it when I saw it myself.
That was me. Before I hooked up my PS3 to my TV, my HD/DVR cable box was using the TV's DVI connection. So it was DVI to DVI from box to TV. When I hooked up the cable box to the TV with the component cables, I really didn't see any difference when watching TV. Dunno if it was the TV, cable box or the PS3...

Another question - my receiver is a Yamaha HTR-5890. I'm using digital optical for the PS3 and am going to use coax for the Toshiba HD-A2. Any issues here? Quality of connection about the same?

That was me. Before I hooked up my PS3 to my TV, my HD/DVR cable box was using the TV's DVI connection. So it was DVI to DVI from box to TV. When I hooked up the cable box to the TV with the component cables, I really didn't see any difference when watching TV. Dunno if it was the TV, cable box or the PS3...It could very well be the PS3. I'm not keen on the multipurpose adapter to split out the component output. Unless you see a another component source that looks better it's sometimes can be an issue on the display that degrades a decent component input stream.

larry

Somewhere somebody mentioned the PS3 output was softer, however I'd only believe it when I saw it myself. Although there is the combo adapter which breaks out the analog output. It may not be 75 ohm. Also, I think the BTB and WTW clipping is for everything. I happens with YCbCr too. I guess a HDMI switch is out of the question because of lack of memory for settings?

larry
I hope it is softer with component. I have to use component until I decide on a new pre/pro. The picture is better than SD, but not much. I know what my projector can do with component on HD-DVD, and this just ain't it. I'm hoping that with HDMI, the picture will sharpen up. I happen to use the PS3 as a BD player only, and would like to get the picture that apparently most people are seeing. Perhaps HDMI will solve my problem.

Another question - my receiver is a Yamaha HTR-5890. I'm using digital optical for the PS3 and am going to use coax for the Toshiba HD-A2. Any issues here? Quality of connection about the same?

hope you mean a1 because a2 doesnt have digital coax, just optical :confused: I have one

Hi everyone, the HDMI thing is still new to me so i have a few questions was hoping maybe some one could help. I have a Samsung 56" DLP with 1 HDMI connection. The TV does 1080i and 720p. I'm hooking up a PS3 and HD-A1 into the 604, both via HDMI for sound and picture. I was wondering if someone could assist with the PS3 settings. Under BR settings for video if I select anything other than RGB, I get purplish-red video. Is that right? When I set audio to PCM I get no sound, and when I set to Bitstream it seems to convert to DTS only and won't even play back uncompressed pcm tracks. No matter what setting i use for audio, i can't get sound in PS3 games only blu ray movies.

I must be doing something wrong or the receiver is bad. I just got it yesterday so no problem returning it. I'm having another problem with the HD-A1 (which works fine connected to the TV hdmi) where the image is red. Nothing I do seems to fix this problem. Anyway, since this a PS3 thread in the Blu Ray forum I will save that question for the HD-DVD folks. Thanks for any help anyone can offer.


Joe


P.S. Does anyone know of a thread or sticky on this forum for general HDMI hookup questions with HD formats and HDMI receivers? I tried a search but got like a million threads that didn't seem to specifically help me.
You need to check what spec is HDMI on your receiver. As much as I know, you need to have latest HDMI version to get uncompressed sound over HDMI. So thats where you should check first.

It could very well be the PS3. I'm not keen on the multipurpose adapter to split out the component output. Unless you see a another component source that looks better it's sometimes can be an issue on the display that degrades a decent component input stream.

larry

I agree the more I think about this. I think I will just leave the PS3 at HDMI.

I tried searching on the topic I am about to ask, but I couldn't find anything regarding it. So, I apologize if this has been asked before, but is there anyway to turn off the on-screen icons that appear during Blu-ray disc playback (e.g. Play, Pause, etc.)? Most DVD players have this capability, but I couldn't seem to find the appropriate option on the PS3.

Many thanks in advance.

hope you mean a1 because a2 doesnt have digital coax, just optical :confused: I have one

That's true and the same for the PS3.

My receiver only has one designated digital optical "DVD" input, but it has digital optical inputs for "CD," and others.

Does anyone know if it's ok to use the "CD" input for one of the HD players? My receiver manual states, "All digital input jacks are compatible with 96-kHz sampling digital signals."

The labels on the receivers are just that, labels. They should all work the same way. My PS3 is connect to one labeled "CD-R". :) Coax or optical shouldn't make a difference.

larry

Good to hear. By the way, is this also true of power surge protectors and their labels?

I just hooked up my PS3 to a Pioneer 6070 plasma, and set the output resolution of the PS3 to 720P. I used an HDMI cable, and plugged this into a Pioneer receiver 74txi with HDMI switching. The audio is set to go through the receiver (through the HDMI cable) using PCM. The unit downloaded the latest upgrade using the wireless connection. I popped in a Blu-ray DVD, and was quite impressed.

My two questions are 1. Is the PCM setting the best (when using the HDMI cable for sound through a receiver)? The sound was not very loud, and I had to crank it up over "reference" to get it loud enough.
2. Does the new upgrade allow us to use 1080i for a setting. I thought I read that it had trouble before the upgrade.

Sorry if this info can be found in the thread, but I'm having trouble with the search.

Mark

I tried searching on the topic I am about to ask, but I couldn't find anything regarding it. So, I apologize if this has been asked before, but is there anyway to turn off the on-screen icons that appear during Blu-ray disc playback (e.g. Play, Pause, etc.)? Most DVD players have this capability, but I couldn't seem to find the appropriate option on the PS3.

Many thanks in advance.

I believe you're looking for the triangle button. It's used to bring up those icons and also to hide them.

Brandon

I believe you're looking for the triangle button. It's used to bring up those icons and also to hide them.

Brandon

Brandon,

Thanks. I will try that when I get home tonight, but the icons I am referring to appear automatically without pressing the Triangle button. They seemed to occur each time a new section of the BD was accessed (e.g. FBI warning beings and the Play icon appears, menu appears, Play icon, movie starts, Play icon). Fortunately, once the movie started, the Play icon did not appear each time a new chapter began.

Good to hear. By the way, is this also true of power surge protectors and their labels? No. Coax for satellite and cable TV need different "clamping voltages" or something like that. Satellite receivers send signals to the dish to use the correct lnbs. I think I said that right. And I don't know if I answered your question. I've never put SPDIF coax connection through a surge protector.

larry

Brandon,

Thanks. I will try that when I get home tonight, but the icons I am referring to appear automatically without pressing the Triangle button. They seemed to occur each time a new section of the BD was accessed (e.g. FBI warning beings and the Play icon appears, menu appears, Play icon, movie starts, Play icon). Fortunately, once the movie started, the Play icon did not appear each time a new chapter began.
Ahh, you mean the icon that appears in the lower left hand corner? I don't think there's anything you can do about it.... But I'll tinker with it tonight.

I bought two Optical to Digital Coaxial Adapters
on
ebay:
http://stores.*********/SPECIALTY-AUDIO-VIDEO

I paid $15 for them. I bought one to hook up my XBox 360, and it worked so well, that I ordered another one when I got my PS3.
They come with a power adapter, so they are active and don't need batteries.
He sells Digital Coax to optical adapters too.

Ok I found this on ebay...prolly the same one you bought: http://cgi.*********/Optical-Toslink-to-Coaxial-Digital-Audio-Converter_W0QQitemZ200068853162QQihZ010QQcategoryZ64594QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You said it works completely fine for you? This is an awesome option if its the real deal.

With that said... I read earlier that the ps3 is having problem with pcm over optical...now since Im running part of the connection via optical am I going to ahve this same problem? Should I change it to bitstream output from the ps3? I dont have the slightest clue about the difference between the two so any clear easy; to understand answer would be greatly appreciated.

No. Coax for satellite and cable TV need different "clamping voltages" or something like that. Satellite receivers send signals to the dish to use the correct lnbs. I think I said that right. And I don't know if I answered your question. I've never put SPDIF coax connection through a surge protector.

larry

Sorry, I should have been more clear. For example, I mean on my surge protector, it has a label for "CD" - can I use the PS3 for that?

Ahh, you mean the icon that appears in the lower left hand corner? I don't think there's anything you can do about it.... But I'll tinker with it tonight.

yuichiror,

Yes, exactly. Most DVD players have the ability to turn those off, but I couldn't seem to find the appropriate option in the PS3. Maybe there isn't a way, but it would sure be nice if you could.

I thought I heard earlier in this thread something about adjusting contrast, brightness, etc. on the player. Although I have no intentions of adjusting these settings on the player, where can I locate them?

Monoprice has Optical-to-Coax digital converters and vice versa. (http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&style=) You can also get your HDMI cables there cheaply too.


fuad

I just hooked up my PS3 to a Pioneer 6070 plasma, and set the output resolution of the PS3 to 720P. I used an HDMI cable, and plugged this into a Pioneer receiver 74txi with HDMI switching. The audio is set to go through the receiver (through the HDMI cable) using PCM. The unit downloaded the latest upgrade using the wireless connection. I popped in a Blu-ray DVD, and was quite impressed. I believe you should have your PS3 set to 1080 (assuming your Pioneer can accept it). If you have the PS3 set to only support 720, it'll downconvert Blu-ray movies to 480 (which your TV will then upconvert). If you have the PS3 set to 1080 it'll use whichever native resolution of the content (1080 for most Blu-ray movies, 1080 or 720 for games), and you'll get the best looking output available depending on the source.
Is the PCM setting the best (when using the HDMI cable for sound through a receiver)?Yes. This will allow the PS3 to decode (or send lossless PCM on those discs which have it). Make sure your receiver is set to accept Multichannel PCM.
Does the new upgrade allow us to use 1080i for a setting. I thought I read that it had trouble before the upgrade.I'm not aware of any 1080i problems. I have a 720p LCD which also accepts 1080i and it all works fine.[/QUOTE]

I'm hooking up a PS3 and HD-A1 into the 604, both via HDMI for sound and picture.Do you mean Onkyo 604? I don't find a Denon 604.
Under BR settings for video if I select anything other than RGB, I get purplish-red video. Is that right?Could well be, depending on your display.
When I set audio to PCM I get no sound, and when I set to Bitstream it seems to convert to DTS only and won't even play back uncompressed pcm tracks. No matter what setting i use for audio, i can't get sound in PS3 games only blu ray movies.I'm guessing your receiver isn't set to accept multichannel PCM on the HDMI port. Look in the settings area of the receiver for that.

Talkstr8t:

Thanks for your reply. I'll give those settings a try.

Mark

Sorry, I should have been more clear. For example, I mean on my surge protector, it has a label for "CD" - can I use the PS3 for that? For a power cable? Most likely. Depending on the protector it may shut off quicker for an input that is not supposed to draw much current. Try it. If the PS3 stays powered on then you should be ok. :)

larry

I have a long cable with dvi in one end from my dvd player and hdmi on the other going into a sanyo Z4 projector. I would like to use this cable for my PS3. Is there such a thing an adapter that has a hdmi part that goes into the PS3 and a dvi part for the cable?

I have a long cable with dvi in one end from my dvd player and hdmi on the other going into a sanyo Z4 projector. I would like to use this cable for my PS3. Is there such a thing an adapter that has a hdmi part that goes into the PS3 and a dvi part for the cable?
The PS3 has a standard HDMI port, so if your projector also has a HDMI port, then you'll need a cable that has the HDMI interface on both ends.

The PS3 has a standard HDMI port, so the cable you currently have will work fine if you want to connect the PS3 to your projector.

But the hdmi part is already being used going into the projector. Problem is that on the other end, the end that is going to be connected to the playstation there is a dvi connector, not an hdmi. I need an adapter so I can plug the dvi end into the pS3's hdmi port.

Sorry if I was being unclear.

An HDMI-HDMI cable is as low as $4 at AVS advertiser Monoprice.com, certainly less than any adapter (if they even exist). Besides, if you use a DVI cable it can't carry audio (don't know if your projector supports it).

An HDMI-HDMI cable is as low as $4 at AVS advertiser Monoprice.com, certainly less than any adapter (if they even exist).
Exactly. wallinski72, just go ahead and get a regular HDMI cable.

Although you can get an adapter at Monoprice for cheaper than a projector-length HDMI cable, I would also recommend getting a new cable. Aside from allowing audio to work (which you probably want someday if not now), the adapter could stress the connector on the PS3 or projector.

The problem for me is that I have 12 meters of dvi/Hdmi cable so if I need to get a new one it won't be that cheap. Another problem I have is that I have an Oppo dvd player hooked up aswell and that has a dvi out. So I sort of need to keep my dvi to hdmi 12meter cable and figure out how to connect the PS3, I just though that an adapter might be a cheap and easy solution. For audio I think the PS3 has an optical out so that won't be a problem.