Oh, it's abundantly clear that *quality doesn't drive sales in this sector any more*, and that a company that emphasizes quality over convenience is doomed.

Netflix will undoubtedly find that there's no profit in increasing quality *unless someone emerges to successfully compete on the basis of quality*, which seems unlikely and therefore won't happen.

People will be willing -- are willing --to pay hundreds of dollars a year, year after year without end, for barely acceptable quality that they can "watch instantly," and not a penny more for 1080p or 5.1.

They are even convinced, some of them, that "watch instantly" is somehow free (despite the monthly charges on their credit cards).

I don't expect them to change anything. When you first get to define what the customer wants, and then give it to them, you have achieved marketing immortality as few companies (Apple, Bose) have.

Your points are good. I simply offer another viewpoint. Blu-ray is a good example of quality driving the sector. It has yet to make the breakthrough that DVD did (has), but it's doing enough to create (or at least stabilize) demand. As for streaming, my assumption is that competition will step in. Where there is money to be made, it usually does. If not, then it is more than likely not going to meet with massive consumer acceptance anyway. Also keep in mind that previously there was no HD for Netflix streaming; there is now, so in a small part, quality has already improved.

By the way, I pay for Netflix for BD, period. The extra benefit of streaming is just icing on the cake. Besides, it has opened my horizons some to watch more indies, something I would have rarely done before. I guess the way I look at it is even if the quality never improves, as long as the content is updated with some regularity (an assumption, of course), then I'm a happy camper. I, of course, am not required to pay any long-term fees, so I may cancel at any time.

All that said, the good news is that one does not have to use Netflix streaming if one does not want to. It's just a choice for those who see value. And as long as a given choice does not compromise the PS3, everybody wins.

By the way, I pay for Netflix for BD, period. The extra benefit of streaming is just icing on the cake. Besides, it has opened my horizons some to watch more indies, something I would have rarely done before. I guess the way I look at it is even if the quality never improves, as long as the content is updated with some regularity (an assumption, of course), then I'm a happy camper. I, of course, am not required to pay any long-term fees, so I may cancel at any time.

All that said, the good news is that one does not have to use Netflix streaming if one does not want to. It's just a choice for those who see value. And as long as a given choice does not compromise the PS3, everybody wins.
pdheane -- You beat me to it. I, too, subscribe to NF in order to get BDs. The NF streaming, which I get on my TiVo Series3, is a fringe benefit for which I pay nothing extra. Although the limitation to 2 channel audio is mildly disappointing, the availability of an ever increasing number of 720p HD movies and TV shows via streaming eases the pain. Better yet, NF subscriptions are month to month so if I become dissatisfied with any aspect of my service I can drop it at any time.

No, the 360 has a software package installed that handles the connections and creates the interface within the Xbox Dashboard. It sounds to me that the disc will be a stopgap until they build the interface into the XMB which is also mentioned in the presser.

My guesses:
*November: Free NF streaming discs for everyone allows auto-config & streaming
*Winter: PSN video store changes roles to be Day-Date Sony movie streaming/rental/purchase (with PSP/PSPgo integration) while Netflix remains weeks/months delayed.
*Spring: PS3 FW 3.x/4.x builds in Netflix streaming into XMB. PSN video store adds day-date partners from the BDA.

Some of your guesses discussed below:
Netflix was kind enough to answer a heap of nitpicky questions following the announcement that its steaming service would soon be available for PlayStation 3. Certainly, question marks hovered over the application "disc" and whether or not it would have to always be in the PS3 to use the Netflix streaming service. It turns out that Netflix won't have an integrated XMB solution just yet -- but it's coming.

Check out our interview with a Netflix representative for the full details:


Was the PS3 application developed internally by Netflix?

Yes, with the help of the Sony team.



Can the Netflix application be installed to the PS3 hard dive from the disc? Or must the disc be inserted every time a user wants to access Netflix?

Yes, the Netflix disc has to be inserted every time to access the Netflix service.



Why a disc-based application and not streaming access through the PS3 browser?

Netflix members and PS3 owners have really wanted a way to instantly watch movies and TV episodes streamed from Netflix via the PS3 system. The instant streaming disc represented the fastest and easiest way to let them do this.



Why not distribute the application via PSN download or firmware update, and then embed it into the XMB?

Again, the instant streaming disc represented the fastest and easiest way to let PS3 enthusiasts get Netflix on the PS3. Late next year we expect to have an embedded solution available for PS3s via a system software update slated for release through the PlayStation Network.



Is releasing the PS3 application on a disc required by an exclusivity agreement with Microsoft?

The Netflix agreement with Sony for PS3 is consistent with the terms of our partnership with Microsoft for Xbox 360. Our goal is to give members the opportunity to instantly watch movies streamed from Netflix via the widest variety of Netflix ready devices. All of our partners are aware of our goal.



Is any new content being added to the Netlfix streaming catalog alongside this announcement?

We are constantly adding content to better serve our members, however we did not announce new content alongside the PS3 announcement.



Can users search the entire Netflix streaming library from the PS3? (On Xbox 360, browsing is currently limited to 100-movie categories.)

Similar to Xbox, subscribers can search lists of movies in categories such as New Releases, Drama, Action, Comedy, etc., and will have access to the entire library available to watch instantly.



Will special features typically found on DVD and Blu-ray discs (e.g., additional audio tracks, director commentary, etc.) be available through the PS3 application?

No.



Is there any difference between the content catalog available on PS3 versus Xbox 360?

No.



Does the PS3 application include any features that aren't in the Xbox 360 application?

No.



Are there more features being planned for a future update?

Again, late next year we expect to have an embedded solution available for PS3s via a system software update slated for release through the PlayStation Network.



Finally, what's the update on a Netflix application for Wii?

Certainly, the Wii represents a great opportunity given the size of its installed base, but we have nothing specific to say about it at this point. The Xbox partnership has been terrific for Netflix members, and we're equally excited to announce the partnership with PS3.
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/26/netflix-ps3-disc-must-remain-in-system-until-2010-update/

Some of your guesses discussed below:

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/26/netflix-ps3-disc-must-remain-in-system-until-2010-update/


Nothing about whether Netflix will offer HD or not? PlayOn through the PS3 doesn't, but via my TiVo HD, Netflix does.

This $10 disc 8is rip off, if netflix wants people to use ps3 for their services, they should provide disc free to ps3 owners! I strongly protest this!:eek:

Oh, it's abundantly clear that quality doesn't drive sales in this sector any more, and that a company that emphasizes quality over convenience is doomed.

Netflix will undoubtedly find that there's no profit in increasing quality unless someone emerges to successfully compete on the basis of quality, which seems unlikely and therefore won't happen.

People will be willing -- are willing --to pay hundreds of dollars a year, year after year without end, for barely acceptable quality that they can "watch instantly," and not a penny more for 1080p or 5.1.

They are even convinced, some of them, that "watch instantly" is somehow free (despite the monthly charges on their credit cards).

I don't expect them to change anything. When you first get to define what the customer wants, and then give it to them, you have achieved marketing immortality as few companies (Apple, Bose) have.

Um...I'm paying for renting discs. Netflix has been kind enough to offer a great service for next to no cost. Netflix's streaming is still in its infancy and I'm happy to be along for the ride. My kid doesn't care that his DinoSquad cartoon isn't in 1080P or 5.1.

You've been sounding a little grumpy lately RD.

Uh, no. One adds new subs (money), the other makes existing subs happier (satisfaction yes, money no). They've already tied HD streams to connected media devices that can actually resolve 720p, that is the concession to improved quality where it matters.

Remember most people consume streams through PCs which are rarely surround capable/connected and I'm sure their next targets are smartphones which won't be surround capable either.

First, ubiquity. Second, quality (for a price ;)).

First - cost savings (Netflix wants to kill mailing costs); Second - give people what they want - instant gratification; Third - the first nail in the BD coffin is set with this announcement. People rarely want quality they want simplicity and convenience.

If people wanted quality there would be no streaming until it matches HD quality or better still DVD quality. They don't care.

This, however, will sell a hell of a lot more PS3 units.

People rarely want quality they want simplicity and convenience.


Then how do you explain Blu-ray's success so far?

Nothing about whether Netflix will offer HD or not? PlayOn through the PS3 doesn't, but via my TiVo HD, Netflix does.

The service is identical to that of the xbox 360, so it should include whatever HD content they have.

They asked if the content was the same and Netlfix said yes. So whatever is in HD on the 360 should be in HD on the PS3.

This $10 disc 8is rip off, if netflix wants people to use ps3 for their services, they should provide disc free to ps3 owners! I strongly protest this!:eek:

In case you missed the press release (http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/26/n...playstation-3/):


Initially, watching movies instantly streamed from Netflix via the PS3 system will be enabled by a *free*, instant streaming Blu-ray disc that is being made available to all Netflix members. The free instant streaming disc leverages Blu-ray's BD-Live™ technology to access the Internet and activate the Netflix user interface on the PS3 system, which must be online via Wi-Fi or Ethernet.

There's currently 453 HD titles available via Watch Instantly. Not very many compared to the overall title count Netflix carries, but it is a substantial increase over the 313 it was just a few months ago.

There's currently 453 HD titles available via Watch Instantly. Not very many compared to the overall title count Netflix carries, but it is a substantial increase over the 313 it was just a few months ago.

Well, at least it's going up. :) That said, not all devices and or software solutions allow for Netflix HD streaming - PlayOn, for example. I believe the Xbox does, so we should be good on the PS3.

Well, at least it's going up. :) That said, not all devices and or software solutions allow for Netflix HD streaming - PlayOn, for example. I believe the Xbox does, so we should be good on the PS3.

As far as I know, the only limiting factor for viewing "HD" titles via Netflix is your internet connection speed. Some lower speed DSL or cable connections may not handle the required throughput which I believe is around 3.8mb/s.

Unless there's something about the PS3 version that precludes HD titles...

This $10 disc 8is rip off, if netflix wants people to use ps3 for their services, they should provide disc free to ps3 owners! I strongly protest this!:eek:

I've seen a few people mention a $10 price for the disc, yet none of them are able to say where they got that number from. Not to mention, as was already pointed out, Netflix has been very clear in saying that the disc will be free.

Now, the thing that gets me is this quote from the interview that bt12483 posted:
Why not distribute the application via PSN download or firmware update, and then embed it into the XMB?

Again, the instant streaming disc represented the fastest and easiest way to let PS3 enthusiasts get Netflix on the PS3. Late next year we expect to have an embedded solution available for PS3s via a system software update slated for release through the PlayStation Network.
So they're saying that they'll have a non-disc solution in place by the end of 2010? Looks like I won't be reactivating my service with them anytime soon...

There's currently 453 HD titles available via Watch Instantly. Not very many compared to the overall title count Netflix carries, but it is a substantial increase over the 313 it was just a few months ago.

DO you have a link that lists all of them and updates accordingly?

I would like to see that if you do.

As far as I know, the only limiting factor for viewing "HD" titles via Netflix is your internet connection speed. Some lower speed DSL or cable connections may not handle the required throughput which I believe is around 3.8mb/s.

Unless there's something about the PS3 version that precludes HD titles...

Yes, I believe the PS3 will offer Netflix HD streams, but there are definitely some devices (and software such as PlayOn) that do not allow for HD streams via Netflix.

DO you have a link that lists all of them and updates accordingly?

I would like to see that if you do.

You have to have a Netflix account and a device configured for the Watch Instantly streams to view the listing, there's lots of indie and foreign films, TV shows also.

Yes, I believe the PS3 will offer Netflix HD streams, but there are definitely some devices (and software such as PlayOn) that do not allow for HD streams via Netflix.

AFAIK, every standalone device/console allows for HD streaming.

In fact, the only thing that doesn't allow for HD streaming is the PC. The reason PlayOn doesn't stream HD is likely related to Netflix limiting PCs to SD only content. Plus PlayON is not an offically supported service for Netflix - it is a work-around.

You have to have a Netflix account and a device configured for the Watch Instantly streams to view the listing, there's lots of indie and foreign films, TV shows also.

So there is a category sorted by HD then? Where you can view all HD titles available?

So there is a category sorted by HD then? Where you can view all HD titles available?

Click the Watch Instantly tab and then Genres, you should see HD listed in the dropdown, click that and the listing comes up.

Um...I'm paying for renting discs. Netflix has been kind enough to offer a great service for next to no cost. Netflix's streaming is still in its infancy and I'm happy to be along for the ride. My kid doesn't care that his DinoSquad cartoon isn't in 1080P or 5.1.

You've been sounding a little grumpy lately RD.

Heh. It's how I roll.

Here in this hotbed of media geeks most of us seem to have copious free time and watch several movies a day, apparently two or three at a time.

However, Netflix's current success seems based on a reality where there are only so many hours in a week, and if people spend more of them watching instantly, they will need fewer discs mailed, thus increasing the company's profit margin. Can't argue with that, except the part where if Netflix want me to stream more and rent less they're going to need to provide more HD. But that's just grumpy old me.

Nothing about whether Netflix will offer HD or not? PlayOn through the PS3 doesn't, but via my TiVo HD, Netflix does.

Here we go:
Netflix coming to PlayStation 3 next month is good news for PlayStation 3 owners (and Xbox 360 users whose primary reason for a Gold membership has been easy Netflix streaming access). But several questions about Netflix coming to Sony's platform weren't answered in the announcement release. Is there HD streaming? Why do I need a disc to access it?

I spoke with Netflix's VP of corporate communications Steve Swasey on the phone this morning to clarify these points and others. Again, good news: you should be happy with these answers, too.

Yes, Netflix on PlayStation 3 supports HD streaming. The entire Netflix streaming catalogue -- HD or not -- that's currently available on the PC, via Netflix-supporting TVs and, yes, through Xbox 360 will be available for PlayStation 3 users on day one. Swasey admitted Netflix's streaming catalogue isn't nearly as vast as its disc catalog, but said it's something they're actively expanding every day.

At the outset, in order to access Netflix on your PlayStation 3, you'll need to pop in a disc. The disc is free and yours to keep. All you need to do is ask for one and keep it nearby when you want to access Netflix streaming. That's not permanent. Swasey confirmed Netflix will have an "embedded solution" (i.e. a proper application, ala Xbox 360) "at some point," but couldn't say when.

Swasey wouldn't comment on speculation that it's a disc-based solution at the moment to get around whatever exclusivity contract the company currently has with Microsoft. Regardless, PlayStation 3 users will eventually have a more elegant way to access Netflix that doesn't require a disc, but according to Swasey, this was the "fastest and easiest way to get PlayStation 3 members now."

Netflix has not announced a specific date for when it will start shipping the Netflix-enabling Blu-ray discs for PlayStation 3 owners, but it's happening sometime in November. If you want to be at the top of the list, I recommend linking your account right now.
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/700212/More-Netflix-On-PlayStation-3-Details-HD-Streaming-Eventually-No-Disc-Required.html

Nothing about whether Netflix will offer HD or not? PlayOn through the PS3 doesn't, but via my TiVo HD, Netflix does.
The service is identical to that of the xbox 360, so it should include whatever HD content they have.

They asked if the content was the same and Netlfix said yes. So whatever is in HD on the 360 should be in HD on the PS3.
I have been using NF streaming to my TiVo Series3 for several months. I believe that NF's Instant Access streaming service works the same, regardless of the platform used to receive it. No matter how you receive it, it will look the same on NF's Web site.

I've seen a few people mention a $10 price for the disc, yet none of them are able to say where they got that number from. Not to mention, as was already pointed out, Netflix has been very clear in saying that the disc will be free.

Now, the thing that gets me is this quote from the interview that bt12483 posted:

So they're saying that they'll have a non-disc solution in place by the end of 2010? Looks like I won't be reactivating my service with them anytime soon...

free is fair, but for cost $$ is atrocious attempt on mooching

Here we go:

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/700212/More-Netflix-On-PlayStation-3-Details-HD-Streaming-Eventually-No-Disc-Required.html

I have been using NF streaming to my TiVo Series3 for several months. I believe that NF's Instant Access streaming service works the same, regardless of the platform used to receive it. No matter how you receive it, it will look the same on NF's Web site.

Fair enough; I stand corrected. All Netflix *devices* offer HD streaming (depending on download speed, of course). Thanks guys. :o

As far as I know, the only limiting factor for viewing "HD" titles via Netflix is your internet connection speed. Some lower speed DSL or cable connections may not handle the required throughput which I believe is around 3.8mb/s.

Unless there's something about the PS3 version that precludes HD titles...


In some recent tests that have been made in my area for a remote connectivity project my corporation is rolling out, a very high percentage of cable and DSL connections failed to even top 3mb/s. Despite what your provider claims, real world speeds are generally far slower. Based on 100 various "high speed" internet connections around the Detroit Metro area that were surveyed, nearly 60% of the people do not have the connection speeds to enable Netflix Blu Ray streaming based on your calculation of 3.8mb/s being necessary.

In my case, Comcast has been out to the house four times in the past six weeks, and despite replacing the entire cable path, the cable modem, etc. has only improved my actual evening internet speeds to 2.8 mb/s. And I am the only Comcast broadband customer on my entire street!


John

Hi all,

When I play blu-ray movies, my screen is filled with red pixels. It makes it impossible to watch blu-rays.

I have tried the following:
BenQ w500 projector
720P
1080P (accepts this signal)
1080P 24 (accepts this signal)

Viewsonic 32inch LCD -
720P

I have used 3 different lengths HDMI cables.


While in the 'dashboard' it has no problems.
Playing games it does not have the problem.
Upconverting dvd's it does not have the problem.
It is only when playing blu-rays.


I have had my PS3 for 13 months now.
It is the 80GB version
Firmware 3.01 (updated today) (I have had the problem for months now)
Here are some photos of the screen:
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1641/img1043j.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3916/img1046c.jpg

Any ideas or advice?
Thanks
Mike

In some recent tests that have been made in my area for a remote connectivity project my corporation is rolling out, a very high percentage of cable and DSL connections failed to even top 3mb/s. Despite what your provider claims, real world speeds are generally far slower. Based on 100 various "high speed" internet connections around the Detroit Metro area that were surveyed, nearly 60% of the people do not have the connection speeds to enable Netflix Blu Ray streaming based on your calculation of 3.8mb/s being necessary.

In my case, Comcast has been out to the house four times in the past six weeks, and despite replacing the entire cable path, the cable modem, etc. has only improved my actual evening internet speeds to 2.8 mb/s. And I am the only Comcast broadband customer on my entire street!


John
The below is from the Watch Instantly FAQ page at Netflix. With Comcast's Blast 16/2 service I can get 16,000kbps(2MB/s) all day long. It sounds like you've definitely got some signal problems, depending on the level of service you have, but I think their lowest level now is at least 8000kbps download now so when it's working right you shouldn't have any problem with Netflix streaming.
Q: How does my Internet connection affect picture quality of movies I watch instantly?
A:

To watch movies instantly via your PC or Netflix Ready device, we recommend a broadband connection providing at least 700 Kbps . The faster your connection, the better the quality. For DVD quality video and audio, you need a connection providing at least 2.4 Mbps.

Your connection speed will rise and fall depending on network usage in your home and conditions at your Internet Service Provider.

You can test you bandwidth at one of these sites:
http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
http://www.speedtest.net/
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest?flash=1

Hi all,

When I play blu-ray movies, my screen is filled with red pixels. It makes it impossible to watch blu-rays.

While in the 'dashboard' it has no problems.
Playing games it does not have the problem.
Upconverting dvd's it does not have the problem.
It is only when playing blu-rays.

Any ideas or advice?


Have you tried changing the BD Video Output Format?
RGB
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr

Anyone else care to comment on this?

Have you tried changing the BD Video Output Format?
RGB
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr
I have not tried this. I will try tonight.
Thanks

Anyone else care to comment on this?

This what?

I have read a number of posts in different forums on this subject and there are as many different approaches. The most common always comes back to a product called “Pavtube” Blu-Ray Ripper. After reading about it, it’s still somewhat confusing.

Here are the questions I have regarding “Pavtube”.
1. I am assuming that the program is used on a PC and not loaded onto the PS3.
2. It appears that the Blu-Ray format must be converted to a MP4 format so the PS3 will recognize it. Don’t you loose video quality and the high resolution audio eg., DD HD etc., using MP4?
3. What I would expect I would have to do is save the MP4 file to an external, fat32 formatted HDD (any size limit the PS3 won’t read?) if I am not going to store it on the PS3 HDD.
4. Can the MP4 file then be copied to the PS3’s HDD and read by it.

I have been using Any DVD HD for a long time now to rip Blu-Ray’s and that’s been my process of ripping to an ISO file and playing it using PDVD 8 Ultra. PDVD always has so many issues that I’d like to read ripped Blu-Rays by the PS3. I would expect the quality would be better and I would be able to play the HD audio which PDVD won’t do.

Thanks,

We rented "The Life Before Her Eyes (BD)" and the PS3 and Sony S350 would not recognize the disc. Has anyone else had trouble with this title?

I could not find a thread for this movie so I posted the question here.

Thanks.

I just wanted to see if anyone had any input on this. I am sure it got lost with all of the Netflix posts.

Keenan, i just did that test

http://www.speedtest.net/result/604494738.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Is that good?

It also said it will take me 11 minutes to download a 800mb movie, but i remember that when i do it takes hours :confused:

EDIT- just did it again, whats up with this? why is it different?

http://www.speedtest.net/result/604502463.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

EDIT- just did it again, whats up with this? why is it different?
You'll get variations in your speed tests every time. Just the way the internets are.

Keenan, i just did that test

http://www.speedtest.net/result/604494738.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Is that good?

It also said it will take me 11 minutes to download a 800mb movie, but i remember that when i do it takes hours :confused:

EDIT- just did it again, whats up with this? why is it different?

http://www.speedtest.net/result/604502463.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
That's plenty fast, you shouldn't have any problem with the Netflix application.

Tonight as I have in the past for several other players I took a few images (110 inches) of the Sony PS3 and Pioneer BDP-23FD. I didn't get the exact same frame with the first image as I don't know how to with the PS3 (typically I use the first frame after a time mark such as 39:44). Even so the image and focus are virtually the same so I don't think it throws the images off much.

I did the same quite a while ago and if I remember correctly the new slim appears a have a little more punch (perceived detail) than the older model.

http://homeaudiovideoadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/PioneerBDP-23FD-1.JPG

http://homeaudiovideoadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/SonyPS3-1.JPG

http://homeaudiovideoadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Pioneer-BDP-23FD-2.JPG

http://homeaudiovideoadvisor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/SonyPS3-2.JPG

Charles R, (or anyone else, of course) I'm weighing the PS3 Slim vs the BDP-23FD. I appreciate the subtle differences in the images you posted, and prefer the Pioneer's image (I dig the extra detail). The differences are appreciable for me on the images of your 110 inch screen. Do you think they would be perceivable on a calibrated Pioneer KRP-500M (50")? Thanks for posting the comparison image sets, btw.

I'm more interested in image quality than anything else, if I'd be able to see the difference on my smaller screen. If not, PS3 Slim's got some advantages. Cheers.

Hi all,

When I play blu-ray movies, my screen is filled with red pixels. It makes it impossible to watch blu-rays.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1641/img1043j.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3916/img1046c.jpg
Any ideas or advice?
Thanks
Mike
OK, I did some more analysis tonight. This is what I found.

1/2 the disks worked correctly. I noticed the following:
Anytime that a disk is BD Live 2.0 enabled then it has the pixel problem.

Is BD live 2.0 based on Java? Looks like there might be something wrong with the software. How do I reset the java software or reload it?
I downloaded the latest firmware (3.01) last night.
I did a system restore (not the full, but the quick option)
Still no luck.


Here is a list of the disks I tested tonight:

Did not work:
The dark knight
Mamma Mia (for wife obviously)
the boondock saints
Shaun of the dead
Fast and furious 4
Death Race

Worked with no problems:
reservoir dogs
young guns
Warren Miller's playground
black hwak down
300
space cowboys
rocky balboa
kiss kiss bang bang
Juno
the untoucables

Hey Guys,

I'm looking for a reasonable blue ray player for my home livingroom. I'd also like to be able to play Netflix "Watch Instantly" titles as well (especially for my kids).

Previously, I was going to go with a LG BD 390, since it seems like a decent blue ray (& DVD) player and can do the Netflix movies as well. But, with the recent announcement that the PS3 can do Netflix streaming, I'm thinking that the PS3 120GB Slim would make a better choice now for the following reasons:

1. Roughly equivalent blue ray and Netflix output quality.

2. Wired/Wireless internet to make connections to the internet easy (I live in a rental atm and can't run a wired connection to the home entertainment area very easily).

3. PS3 slim has the capability to play games (duh!) if so desired in the future. I'm not a big console games, but if I want to, it can. (Obviously, the LG can't do this...)

4. Roughly the same price.

Bonus: The PS3 can have its HD upgraded in the future, if desired, allowing me to save a few dollars now and get the 120gb version. (I assume the slim version can be upgraded like the "original" version of the PS3?)

Are these assumptions and points valid? I'm not trying to start a fan boy war - just find the best value for my needs.

Thanks!

FYI, I have a 55" LG LCD TV, an Onkyo 3007 AVR and Hsu research speakers (Front, Surround and Sub).

FYI, I have a 55" LG LCD TV, an Onkyo 3007 AVR and Hsu research speakers (Front, Surround and Sub).

What Hsu sub do you have? I love my VTF-3R.

I'm biased, but I don't think you can go wrong with the PS3.

Hey Guys,

I'm looking for a reasonable blue ray player for my home livingroom. I'd also like to be able to play Netflix "Watch Instantly" titles as well (especially for my kids).

Previously, I was going to go with a LG BD 390, since it seems like a decent blue ray (& DVD) player and can do the Netflix movies as well. But, with the recent announcement that the PS3 can do Netflix streaming, I'm thinking that the PS3 120GB Slim would make a better choice now for the following reasons:

1. Roughly equivalent blue ray and Netflix output quality.

2. Wired/Wireless internet to make connections to the internet easy (I live in a rental atm and can't run a wired connection to the home entertainment area very easily).

3. PS3 slim has the capability to play games (duh!) if so desired in the future. I'm not a big console games, but if I want to, it can. (Obviously, the LG can't do this...)

4. Roughly the same price.

Bonus: The PS3 can have its HD upgraded in the future, if desired, allowing me to save a few dollars now and get the 120gb version. (I assume the slim version can be upgraded like the "original" version of the PS3?)

Are these assumptions and points valid? I'm not trying to start a fan boy war - just find the best value for my needs.

Thanks!

FYI, I have a 55" LG LCD TV, an Onkyo 3007 AVR and Hsu research speakers (Front, Surround and Sub).

Okay, first of all, if you are going to join the Blu-ray fan club, you need to learn to spell "Blu-ray" correctly. ;)

That said, you are on the PS3 as a Blu-ray player thread, so my response should not come as a surprise. The LG BD390 is a fine BD player, but, like you said, the PS3 also gives you gaming - in your case, thrown in for free. :)

Based on your observations, as well as expectations, I would say the PS3 Slim would be a good fit (no punn intended) for you. The hard drive can be upgraded. You may learn more about the PS3 and Slim by reviewing this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931796) and this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1172756) thread.

One thing worth mentioning. The implementation of Netflix streaming on the PS3 is a bit unorthodox in that you will need to install a special Blu-ray disc every time you want to stream movies. A firmware upgrade will be out late next year that will allow direct access to Netflix without the disc, but until then, the disc will have to be used. It is available to Netflix subscribers for free. You may read more about this new feature by going here (http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/599559.html).

By the way, nice receiver. Have you run Audyssey. If not, you will definitely want to. It is amazing. And if you are up for it, join us over on the Audyssey thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=795421). It is incredibly long, but if you hang with it, there is much to learn. The co-founder of Audyssey, Chris, is readily available to answer questions; it's an amazing thread. Here is the very helpful Audyssey setup guide (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14456895#post14456895).

edit: I should also mention that since Netflix streaming capability on the PS3 has not happened yet, none of us is able to give you feedback on the experience.

Okay, first of all, if you are going to join the Blu-ray fan club, you need to learn to spell "Blu-ray" correctly. ;)

That said, you are on the PS3 as a Blu-ray player thread, so my response should not come as a surprise. The LG BD390 is a fine BD player, but, like you said, the PS3 also gives you gaming - in your case, thrown in for free. :)

Based on your observations, as well as expectations, I would say the PS3 Slim would be a good fit (no punn intended) for you. The hard drive can be upgraded. You may learn more about the PS3 and Slim by reviewing this thread.

One thing worth mentioning. The implementation of Netflix streaming on the PS3 is a bit unorthodox in that you will need to install a special Blu-ray disc every time you want to stream movies. A firmware upgrade will be out late next year that will allow direct access to Netflix without the disc, but until then, the disc will have to be used. It is available to Netflix subscribers for free. You may read more about this new feature by going.

By the way, nice receiver. Have you run Audyssey. If not, you will definitely want to. It is amazing. And if you are up for it, join us over on the. It is incredibly long, but if you hang with it, there is much to learn. The co-founder of Audyssey, Chris, is readily available to answer questions; it's an amazing thread. Here is the very helpful Audyssey setup guide.

edit: I should also mention that since Netflix streaming capability on the PS3 has not happened yet, none of us is able to give you feedback on the experience.

Thank you very much. I'm still new to the HD scene - Just getting HD 3 months ago with Comcast. I'm upgrading from a Zenith 27" CRT TV, Onkyo 575, and a 8 y/o Panasonic DVD player. ;)

I'm ok with the disc based Netflix "Instant Watch" method for now - Though in the long run native software would be more elegant, of course.

I'll definitely be doing my homework in those threads that you pointed out. There is so much information here, it is a bit daunting to find answers to particular questions, even with the search function!

Thanks again!

Anyone?

Anyone

I have read a number of posts in different forums on this subject and there are as many different approaches. The most common always comes back to a product called “Pavtube” Blu-Ray Ripper. After reading about it, it’s still somewhat confusing.

Here are the questions I have regarding “Pavtube”.
1. I am assuming that the program is used on a PC and not loaded onto the PS3.
2. It appears that the Blu-Ray format must be converted to a MP4 format so the PS3 will recognize it. Don’t you loose video quality and the high resolution audio eg., DD HD etc., using MP4?
3. What I would expect I would have to do is save the MP4 file to an external, fat32 formatted HDD (any size limit the PS3 won’t read?) if I am not going to store it on the PS3 HDD.
4. Can the MP4 file then be copied to the PS3’s HDD and read by it.

I have been using Any DVD HD for a long time now to rip Blu-Ray’s and that’s been my process of ripping to an ISO file and playing it using PDVD 8 Ultra. PDVD always has so many issues that I’d like to read ripped Blu-Rays by the PS3. I would expect the quality would be better and I would be able to play the HD audio which PDVD won’t do.

Thanks,

2. It appears that the Blu-Ray format must be converted to a MP4 format so the PS3 will recognize it. Don’t you loose video quality and the high resolution audio eg., DD HD etc., using MP4?
3. What I would expect I would have to do is save the MP4 file to an external, fat32 formatted HDD (any size limit the PS3 won’t read?) if I am not going to store it on the PS3 HDD.
4. Can the MP4 file then be copied to the PS3’s HDD and read by it.

. I would expect the quality would be better and I would be able to play the HD audio which PDVD won’t do.
,

Anyone?

The only way to get a movie larger then 4gig on the PS3 internal HDD is copy it from a uPNP server (PS3 will not play HD audio and won't play all HD video codecs this way).

The only good way to get the HD audio (DTS_MA, TRUEHD) is to use MultiAVCHD to put movies on a FAT32 external HDD, DVD/Bluray disc, or USB thumb drive. MultiAVCHD is a very cool utility and you can make a fancy menu with poster images of all your archived content available in a root menu. Can not be stored on the PS3 internal HDD.

I just got the RE-BL (IR to BT) device for the PS3.

On the H-1 I cannot find the key 'O' cancel or back funtion for the PS3. If I go into device then I see it. But I like to use a key on the H1 to do this. Can someone direct me how to go about. tia

My daughter's PS3 will no longer read BD or game discs. What is the best option for getting it repaired?

My daughter's PS3 will no longer read BD or game discs. What is the best option for getting it repaired?

Sorry to hear...is it still under sony's warranty? Or did you buy an extended from somewhere?

Sorry to hear...is it still under sony's warranty? Or did you buy an extended from somewhere?
I'll check with her, but it is almost 2 years old.

its 150dollars to have sony fix. I've had it done past summer. Growing pains of new technology.

I'll check with her, but it is almost 2 years old.It sounds like the drive is failing. Just note it may be something you can fix yourself. See this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17165495#post17165495) and some surounding posts. If you're at all technically inclined, I hear its not that bad of repair to perform. I can tell you that I got into my PS3 and it was a walk in the park but I never opened the BD drive. You can send it to sony sure...but there are lot of people on the Playstation boards of AVS that have done that repair themselves with great success.

To be safe though, have your daughter do a full system back up to an external HDD so that no matter what happens, she will be able to recover most of not all of her data.

The only way to get a movie larger then 4gig on the PS3 internal HDD is copy it from a uPNP server (PS3 will not play HD audio and won't play all HD video codecs this way).

The only good way to get the HD audio (DTS_MA, TRUEHD) is to use MultiAVCHD to put movies on a FAT32 external HDD, DVD/Bluray disc, or USB thumb drive. MultiAVCHD is a very cool utility and you can make a fancy menu with poster images of all your archived content available in a root menu. Can not be stored on the PS3 internal HDD.

Thanks for the reply. I formated a 180 GB external HDD to Fat32 last night and have downloaded multiAVCHD which I'll try over the weekend. The instructions for the program seem a bit intense. All I will be trying to do is rip the main Blu-Ray movie file and original HD audio tracks to play on my 60 GB PS3. Any Lessons learned suggestions you can impart?

Thanks for the reply. I formated a 180 GB external HDD to Fat32 last night and have downloaded multiAVCHD which I'll try over the weekend. The instructions for the program seem a bit intense. All I will be trying to do is rip the main Blu-Ray movie file and original HD audio tracks to play on my 60 GB PS3. Any Lessons learned suggestions you can impart?

Seems like a lot of trouble, why not just play the disc?

Thanks for the reply. I formated a 180 GB external HDD to Fat32 last night and have downloaded multiAVCHD which I'll try over the weekend. The instructions for the program seem a bit intense. All I will be trying to do is rip the main Blu-Ray movie file and original HD audio tracks to play on my 60 GB PS3. Any Lessons learned suggestions you can impart?

ISn't FAT32 limited to only a 4GB file size?

How would that work for a BD rip? 4GB is a small file.(relatively speaking. I have over 20TB of storage available on my network. more like 25TB)

Thanks for the reply. I formated a 180 GB external HDD to Fat32 last night and have downloaded multiAVCHD which I'll try over the weekend. The instructions for the program seem a bit intense. All I will be trying to do is rip the main Blu-Ray movie file and original HD audio tracks to play on my 60 GB PS3. Any Lessons learned suggestions you can impart?

To start learning the process, select a BD that has one m2ts file that is way larger then the rest of the m2ts files (m2ts file > 15GB). That way you only have to select that one file to get the entire movie. It is trickier converting BD structures that have no single large m2ts files but a lot of little < 4GB files that are seamlessly linked via mpls files (Movie PlayLists). Here is a link to understand the BD files: http://www.videohelp.com/hd For BD that have all smaller M2TS files, add the mpls files one by one starting with the largest. When you find a mpls that has the right duration, that is the one to keep, thendelete the other ones. Always use add video files and not add BD folders option for actual BD disc sources (the folder options takes a long time and can import 100's of video clips)

TIP: make sure your MultiAVCHD temp directory and output directory are on the same drive (this will allow the final output files to just be moved instead of recopied.) This will save a lot of time.

Of coarse, don't violate any copyright laws ;)

ISn't FAT32 limited to only a 4GB file size?

How would that work for a BD rip? 4GB is a small file.(relatively speaking. I have over 20TB of storage available on my network. more like 25TB)

The program MultiAVCHD converts the BD file format into a series of < 4GB m2ts files that are linked together with a playlist file that the PS3 will recognize and play. There will be no file over 4GB in the converted output. It doesn't process the video or audio, just copies it into new containers that fill fit on a FAT32 partition (the process takes no longer then just doing a file copy of a really huge file.)

WhatHappened,
Thanks for your assistance. I'll give it a try. I verified my 180 GB Fat32 Externial HDD was recognised by my PS3, now to try multiAVCHD.

Just curious...

I've been using mkv2vob to move my mkv files over to an external HDD and play them on the PS3.

Is there any advantage to using multiAVCHD over mkv2vob for this purpose?

Just curious...

I've been using mkv2vob to move my mkv files over to an external HDD and play them on the PS3.

Is there any advantage to using multiAVCHD over mkv2vob for this purpose?

* Using MKV2VOB can't retain the lossless audio (assuming you have mkv files with loss-less audio).

* MKV2VOB can't play DTS audio without losing quality and re-encoding to 640K AC3 (last two versions of MKV2VOB have work a work around to this).

* MKV2VOB has to transcode just about all 1080p files to be able to play on the PS3. Transcoding takes a long time and destroys quality.

* MultiAVCHD can make nice menus with posters of the movie to allow anyone (kids, wifes) to select the movie they want to playback.

* With MultiAVCHD you can also have images to select which chapter you want to start with for each movie. You can retain multiple audio tracks and multiple subtitle languages.

* MultiAVCHD can convert multiple source files > 4GB for seamless playback from a FAT32 HDD (no pauses in playback).

* MultiAVCHD support a lot more input video file types.

Thank you very much. I'm still new to the HD scene - Just getting HD 3 months ago with Comcast. I'm upgrading from a Zenith 27" CRT TV, Onkyo 575, and a 8 y/o Panasonic DVD player. ;)

I'm ok with the disc based Netflix "Instant Watch" method for now - Though in the long run native software would be more elegant, of course.

I'll definitely be doing my homework in those threads that you pointed out. There is so much information here, it is a bit daunting to find answers to particular questions, even with the search function!

Thanks again!

It will be interesting to see how the disk-based BD-Live method compares to PlayOn on the PS3. I would say that most Netflix content via PlayOn is softer than a good DVD but mostly free of artifacts and definitely watchable - especially for free!

It will be interesting to see how the disk-based BD-Live method compares to PlayOn on the PS3. I would say that most Netflix content via PlayOn is softer than a good DVD but mostly free of artifacts and definitely watchable - especially for free!

The primary difference is that Netflix's HD content should be available via the PS3, whereas it's not available on computers (eg, PlayOn).

You get Netflix for free? How?

To start learning the process, select a BD that has one m2ts file that is way larger then the rest of the m2ts files (m2ts file > 15GB). That way you only have to select that one file to get the entire movie. It is trickier converting BD structures that have no single large m2ts files but a lot of little < 4GB files that are seamlessly linked via mpls files (Movie PlayLists). Here is a link to understand the BD files: http://www.videohelp.com/hd For BD that have all smaller M2TS files, add the mpls files one by one starting with the largest. When you find a mpls that has the right duration, that is the one to keep, thendelete the other ones. Always use add video files and not add BD folders option for actual BD disc sources (the folder options takes a long time and can import 100's of video clips)

TIP: make sure your MultiAVCHD temp directory and output directory are on the same drive (this will allow the final output files to just be moved instead of recopied.) This will save a lot of time.

Of coarse, don't violate any copyright laws ;)

I tried to get MultiAVCHD to work. I found the largest m2ts file with no problem. My destination was a externally formatted FAT32, 180GB, test drive. When I pushed the PS3 button, it started then came up with a de-muxing (I think that was the term) error and stopped. It also did something to my Power DVD 8 Ultra software. I got an error when I tried to play a BD disc. I had to uninstall and reinstall PDVD to fix it. I'm a bit gun shy now and haven't tried it again. I was excited as it seemed like MultiAVCHD would retain the HD Audio where PDVD won't pass it through. The PS3 plays DD HD and DTS Master. Any idea why MultiAVCHD wouldn't process the m2ts file? Also, I have AnyDVD HD. I tried it off and on with no difference in results. Could Any DVD be an issue?

I've been searching the thread, but I'm uncertain about how well the PS3 works with Apple's airport WiFi. I'm using Time Capsule to network my apartment. I'd like to know if I'll be able to download BD live content and also Netflix Streaming. Thanks!

Not my own experience but, I have a friend that uses his PS3 with an Apple airport in Orlando. I don't think he has had any major problems with it and we have done that BD-Live movie chat thing, so, I know he can connect to BD live stuff. We also play games online together and it seems to work fine on my end, meaning we are always able to connect to each other.

I've been searching the thread, but I'm uncertain about how well the PS3 works with Apple's airport WiFi. I'm using Time Capsule to network my apartment. I'd like to know if I'll be able to download BD live content and also Netflix Streaming. Thanks!

I would love to find out too. PS3 do not see my time capsule as NAS DRIVE!:confused:

I've been searching the thread, but I'm uncertain about how well the PS3 works with Apple's airport WiFi. I'm using Time Capsule to network my apartment. I'd like to know if I'll be able to download BD live content and also Netflix Streaming. Thanks!

It works just as good as any other WIFI -- you're only limited by the bandwidth of Wifi really, but works fine in my house.

It only works for WIFI though, there is no reason the PS3 would see your Time Capsule storage. However you could set up PS3mediaserver and direct it to your TC storage to host files.

I've been searching the thread, but I'm uncertain about how well the PS3 works with Apple's airport WiFi. I'm using Time Capsule to network my apartment. I'd like to know if I'll be able to download BD live content and also Netflix Streaming. Thanks!
I have used PS3's wireless networking with a Time Capsule for over a year and a half. They have worked well together. I don't often use BD Live often but have had no trouble with it on the occasions when I have used it.

I tried to get MultiAVCHD to work. I found the largest m2ts file with no problem. My destination was a externally formatted FAT32, 180GB, test drive. When I pushed the PS3 button, it started then came up with a de-muxing (I think that was the term) error and stopped. It also did something to my Power DVD 8 Ultra software. I got an error when I tried to play a BD disc. I had to uninstall and reinstall PDVD to fix it. I'm a bit gun shy now and haven't tried it again. I was excited as it seemed like MultiAVCHD would retain the HD Audio where PDVD won't pass it through. The PS3 plays DD HD and DTS Master. Any idea why MultiAVCHD wouldn't process the m2ts file? Also, I have AnyDVD HD. I tried it off and on with no difference in results. Could Any DVD be an issue?

If your source is a BD disc, you will need "AnyDVD HD".

Did you post your log at the MultiAVCHD help forum?
Home site : http://multiAVCHD.deanbg.com

I could be any number of reasons. Like the drive you pointed your temp directory too didn't have enough space, PDVD locked the BD disc, etc.

I have used PS3's wireless networking with a Time Capsule for over a year and a half. They have worked well together. I don't often use BD Live often but have had no trouble with it on the occasions when I have used it.

is it working as wireless or wired nas drive?

I can use it through ps3 mediaserver but not direct! Do u have any instructions?

is it working as wireless or wired nas drive?

I can use it through ps3 mediaserver but not direct! Do u have any instructions?

It's because the Time Capsule doesn't function as a DLNA media server, which is what the PS3 is searching for. In order to stream media contained on a Time Capsule to your PS3, it needs to be served to the PS3 by a DLNA server, like PS3 Media Server or TVersity.

EDIT: To clarify, gwsat is referring to using his Time Capsule as a wireless access point for the PS3, not as a media server.

It works just as good as any other WIFI -- you're only limited by the bandwidth of Wifi really, but works fine in my house.

It only works for WIFI though, there is no reason the PS3 would see your Time Capsule storage. However you could set up PS3mediaserver and direct it to your TC storage to host files.

Thanks everyone. If I can get it to work for wifi, then that meets my primary goal. I assume the netflix would work with it in that manner.
I didn't expect to be able to use the Time Capsule for media serving, although it sure would be nice to be able to get video content from my mac to my TV.

Thanks everyone. If I can get it to work for wifi, then that meets my primary goal. I assume the netflix would work with it in that manner.
I didn't expect to be able to use the Time Capsule for media serving, although it sure would be nice to be able to get video content from my mac to my TV.

Well, with Apple wanting you to buy AppleTV and purchase downloads thru iTunes don't expect it anytime soon.

Your best bet is a media network server (I have a Buffalo TeraStation) or (gasp) a PC with Windows 7. My PS3 finds both and I stream just fine, though I can't get it to recognize .TS files.

Good to know. Yeah, I expect new hardware in the Apple TV department in 2010. The framework is in the new iMacs. They'll begin to offer blue-Ray and at the same time revitalize the A-TV market.

In the meantime, I'd like a good BR player. If it can network for BD-Live and Netflix over airport, the PS3 compares favorably to all the standalones I've researched.

So I was going to buy my girlfriend a Blu-Ray player for her birthday next week.

I want it to be able to stream NetFlix (primary reason I'm getting it for her) and play DIVX files.

I own an older PS3 so I know it can do these things (well, NetFlix is coming).

I was considering buying the LG BD390 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=-1579023324501886170&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=lg+bd390&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960) from Best Buy (I have gift cards so it has to come from there).

My question is: if the PS3 is the same price, does it make sense to get the PS3 over the LG BD 390?

I highly doubt she will ever play games on it. She's never had a desire to play games before so I'm not sure why she would start now.

But in terms of JUST a media player, which makes more sense to buy?

Thanks

So I was going to buy my girlfriend a Blu-Ray player for her birthday next week.

I want it to be able to stream NetFlix (primary reason I'm getting it for her) and play DIVX files.

I own an older PS3 so I know it can do these things (well, NetFlix is coming).

I was considering buying the LG BD390 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=-1579023324501886170&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=lg+bd390&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960) from Best Buy (I have gift cards so it has to come from there).

My question is: if the PS3 is the same price, does it make sense to get the PS3 over the LG BD 390?

I highly doubt she will ever play games on it. She's never had a desire to play games before so I'm not sure why she would start now.

But in terms of JUST a media player, which makes more sense to buy?

Thanks

Well,

Besides the gaming and BR, I have over 2000 songs on it and use it for a juke box.

So I was going to buy my girlfriend a Blu-Ray player for her birthday next week.

I want it to be able to stream NetFlix (primary reason I'm getting it for her) and play DIVX files.

I own an older PS3 so I know it can do these things (well, NetFlix is coming).

I was considering buying the LG BD390 (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&_dynSessConf=-1579023324501886170&id=pcat17071&type=page&st=lg+bd390&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960) from Best Buy (I have gift cards so it has to come from there).

My question is: if the PS3 is the same price, does it make sense to get the PS3 over the LG BD 390?

I highly doubt she will ever play games on it. She's never had a desire to play games before so I'm not sure why she would start now.

But in terms of JUST a media player, which makes more sense to buy?

Thanks

id ask in either the help me stick or the 390 thread cuz im not totally sure, so dont quote me, but i think the ps3 has better dvd upconversion and the ability to "fine tune" the upconverion process, not ot mention the ability to add a 500gb hard drive for storage of downloaded movies,from the ps store or from other means(you mentioned divx )

Faced with the same choice I chose the second PS3 as my bedroom blu-ray player. Great choice, they are really magnificent machines even if you don't game...

So I was going to buy my girlfriend a Blu-Ray player for her birthday next week.

I want it to be able to stream NetFlix (primary reason I'm getting it for her) and play DIVX files.

I own an older PS3 so I know it can do these things (well, NetFlix is coming).

My question is: if the PS3 is the same price, does it make sense to get the PS3 over the LG BD 390?

But in terms of JUST a media player, which makes more sense to buy?

Thanks

Clemson,

I am by no means a fanboi. But...In terms of overall capability, there is not much out there, dollar for dollar, that can touch the PS3. Within a few days of purchasing mine, it became the centerpiece of my theater room. 8 months ago, I cancelled my satellite service and rely on OTA HD and all of the features of my PS3 (with TVersity, PlayOn and PS3 Media Server). I am hard pressed to think of a device as versatile as the PS3.

That being said, also consider what could be added in the future. Now, I know the golden rule is not to buy a device for what it could do in the future. But, for what it is able to do now, the PS3 is a monster.

Do yourself and your g/f a favor...Go for the PS3.

FWIW, I'm not a gamer, either. Well...Except for Rock Band. I love that franchise!

Regards...Will

Thanks Will,

And the other responses.


Since I have a PS3, I know the features it offers.

There are two things holding me back.


1. We don't know for sure when NetFlix is going live. We've been told this month, but the gift is for next week. I'd have to do the "YAY... awww..." (with the awww being the disappointed type) since NetFlix is the primary feature that I want.

2. I don't want the console to be too difficult for my girlfriend to use. She will NEVER game on it, so I don't want it to be too difficult for her to figure out.

Thanks Will,

And the other responses.


Since I have a PS3, I know the features it offers.

There are two things holding me back.


1. We don't know for sure when NetFlix is going live. We've been told this month, but the gift is for next week. I'd have to do the "YAY... awww..." (with the awww being the disappointed type) since NetFlix is the primary feature that I want.

2. I don't want the console to be too difficult for my girlfriend to use. She will NEVER game on it, so I don't want it to be too difficult for her to figure out.

My $.02:

1. You could use PlayOn's 30-day free trial; that should get you to Netflix being implemented on the PS3

2. As you know, the XMB is pretty easy to use

Hello, first post in this section, i am completely dense when it comes to the PS3. I bought the 80gb to use as a bluray player in my movie room but replaced it with an oppo. I now no longer have a cable service or dish service. I was wondering if there was anyway to use the ps3 as some sort of device to pick up shows that you can watch on the internet. Im not computer savy either I just know you can watch shows from cbs, ect on the internet and wondered how i could send them wifi to the ps3 and watch them. thanks.

i tried using the ps3's internet browser to go to nbc's website to download their video and it says flash player 9 needed so im guessing the ps3 doesnt work that way?

i tried using the ps3's internet browser to go to nbc's website to download their video and it says flash player 9 needed so im guessing the ps3 doesnt work that way?Nope, there are only a select few sites that the embedded video works natively on the PS3. If your looking to view videos, you best bet is to get into streaming them to the PS3 and there are quite a few threads around here on AVS on how to do just that.

are the threads im looking for in the ps3 section or somewhere else? thanks.

are the threads im looking for in the ps3 section or somewhere else? thanks.You should start here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1149527)...but really your going to be tied to the PS3 (as a BD player thread, or simply asking in the PS3 Gaming boards (you're free to talk about anything PS3 related there and start your own threads).

Before you read the link, it might be a good idea to think about what you plan on streaming (file types) and what software you might want to use to do it.

2. I don't want the console to be too difficult for my girlfriend to use. She will NEVER game on it, so I don't want it to be too difficult for her to figure out.

My 6 year old uses the PS3 daily without any problems. Other Sony products are going to the XMB layout. I'm not saying the PS3 is your right choice, but this shouldn't be a concern for avoiding it.

I don't know what your expected layout is, but keep in mind that many of the units that stream Netflix will also need a hardwired hookup or wi-fi bridge to do it. The PS3 has the wi-fi built in.

Hi everyone, can you clarify something for me?

I am thinking about getting a ps3. I have read through this forum and the ps3 manual online, but I'm not quite sure I understand its capability to stream from a network.

In the online manual it lists the computers that will work as a DLNA server. I have a Dell desktop running Windows Vista, but Dell machines aren't listed in that list. Will my Dell stream over the network to a Ps3? I'm thinking of things like photos.

My understanding is that if I want to stream online content, like ABC.com or Hulu, I have to have software like Playon or Tversity. Is that true? Or can I just do it directly through the Ps3 browser?

Thanks, for your help.

ET

Hi everyone, can you clarify something for me?

I am thinking about getting a ps3. I have read through this forum and the ps3 manual online, but I'm not quite sure I understand its capability to stream from a network.

In the online manual it lists the computers that will work as a DLNA server. I have a Dell desktop running Windows Vista, but Dell machines aren't listed in that list. Will my Dell stream over the network to a Ps3? I'm thinking of things like photos.

My understanding is that if I want to stream online content, like ABC.com or Hulu, I have to have software like Playon or Tversity. Is that true? Or can I just do it directly through the Ps3 browser?

Thanks, for your help.

ET

Any Windows PC will work (I have a Dell and two homebrew desktops running XP, and an Acer laptop with Vista; they all work.) Hulu will not stream directly to a PS3, so you need something like PlayOn that can stream the content and then relay it to the PS3. I use PlayOn and it works fine, although of course there's no HD.

Hi guys,
well I do belong to the High-end guys, but when it comes to Blu-ray player, I can`t see any High-end player that could take it up with the PS3 in loading time. This exactly that what I can`t understand why stand alone players can`t make this loading speed.Untill then only PS3

Hi guys,
well I do belong to the High-end guys, but when it comes to Blu-ray player, I can`t see any High-end player that could take it up with the PS3 in loading time. This exactly that what I can`t understand why stand alone players can`t make this loading speed.Untill then only PS3

Actually, this is no longer the case. I know at least the Oppo and the new LG players load discs as fast, or nearly as fast as the PS3. The PS3 has a fairly old 2X drive that has become the limiting factor in disc loading speed. Several of the newest players actually load a disc initially faster than the PS3, but the PS3 then loads software faster due to its cell processor.

To me it doesn't really matter whether it's the drive or the processor that allows the PS3 to display BD content quicker. All that matters is that it's displayed faster than other players.

NF just sent me an email saying my Instant Watch PS3 disc should be here tomorrow, 11/6.

To me it doesn't really matter whether it's the drive or the processor that allows the PS3 to display BD content quicker. All that matters is that it's displayed faster than other players.

There are actually plenty of players with faster load times than the PS3. Check out this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1156535

nf just sent me an email saying my instant watch ps3 disc should be here tomorrow, 11/6.

+1

If it's possible, could someone provide a user report on how well the PS3 works (especially with wi-fi) while streaming Netflix once you get the discs?

If it's possible, could someone provide a user report on how well the PS3 works (especially with wi-fi) while streaming Netflix once you get the discs?
+1. I expect we'll also see a number of writeups on sites like engadget, gizmodo, ps3 sites, etc. But having someone report on it here (and answer the occasional question) will be much welcomed, too.

WHat kind of HD content do they stream?

Just some TV shows?

Will be curious to see how efficient the PS3 is at handling whatever streaming HD content NF has. I tried an SD movie on a MacBook Pro and the fan was on full tilt.

WHat kind of HD content do they stream?

Just some TV shows?

Will be curious to see how efficient the PS3 is at handling whatever streaming HD content NF has. I tried an SD movie on a MacBook Pro and the fan was on full tilt.

Both TV shows and movies, but not a lot of the 12k+ movies and TV shows are in HD - there are enough to make it worthwhile, though, as most packages include streaming for no extra charge (yet, anyway).

edit: actually, all packages include streaming. Just the 1 DVD out at-a-time plan limits such to only 2 hours per month, which is pretty useless IMO.

+1

Yeah i got the notice as well... think I am gonna wait for some write-ups before I Install. never had any issues with the updates but I am not going to risk any potential issues. If anyone starts seeing writeups can you please link them and i will do the same.

I also got a notice about the disc (netflix) coming for the ps3.

Jacob

Yeah i got the notice as well... think I am gonna wait for some write-ups before I Install. never had any issues with the updates but I am not going to risk any potential issues. If anyone starts seeing writeups can you please link them and i will do the same.

It's not really an install at this time, at least not any more than a regular BD-Live BD is. It's a disc that must be inserted every time you want to stream.

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/700212/More-Netflix-On-PlayStation-3-Details-HD-Streaming-Eventually-No-Disc-Required.html

It's not really an install at this time, at least not any more than a regular BD-Live BD is. It's a disc that must be inserted every time you want to stream.

http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/700212/More-Netflix-On-PlayStation-3-Details-HD-Streaming-Eventually-No-Disc-Required.html

Ahh gotcha, didn't look into it as deep as I should have. Thanks for the info.

There are actually plenty of players with faster load times than the PS3. Check out this thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1156535
The AVS Forum thread was largely just one man's opinion. CNET Australia (http://www.cnet.com.au/blu-ray-player-loading-times-compared-339293617.htm) had a completely different opinion. Stuff like that and a couple of bucks will buy you a cup of coffee -- of course you can still get the coffee for the same price without the opinion.:) Perhaps I am a cynic but I thought I detected a couple of marked biases in the AVS Forum thread, one for the Oppo BDP-83 ($500) and the other against the PS3 ($300).

edit: actually, all packages include streaming. Just the 1 DVD out at-a-time plan limits such to only 2 hours per month, which is pretty useless IMO.

i dont think thats true,i have the 1 dvd at-a time plan and i watched almost 6 hours of streaming the other day with no problem(on my pc). cant wait till i have my disc tomorow

The two DVD/month plan limts you to 2 hours streaming per month, the one DVD at a time unlimited plan includes unlimited streaming.

Both TV shows and movies, but not a lot of the 12k+ movies and TV shows are in HD - there are enough to make it worthwhile, though, as most packages include streaming for no extra charge (yet, anyway).

edit: actually, all packages include streaming. Just the 1 DVD out at-a-time plan limits such to only 2 hours per month, which is pretty useless IMO.

i dont think thats true,i have the 1 dvd at-a time plan and i watched almost 6 hours of streaming the other day with no problem(on my pc). cant wait till i have my disc tomorow

The two DVD/month plan limts you to 2 hours streaming per month, the one DVD at a time unlimited plan includes unlimited streaming.

Okay, I slightly misread the plan page. Basically, there are two 1 DVD out at-a-time plans, but the "Limited Plans" section one only allows 2 hours of streaming per month. That is the plan I was referring to. Additionally, a Netflix ready device (e.g. PS3) cannot be used, nor do you have access to Starz Play - so it's basically worthless.

So swarm87, you have the Unlimited Plan one, as do I. That has no streaming restrictions.

rad, you are correct. The "two DVD/month plan" you refer to is the "1 DVD out at-a-time" plan I refer to; it's just under the Limited Plans section.

I've probably confused the OP, wco81, but in a nutshell for $8.99 per month ($10.99 per month for Blu-ray), you get 1 DVD (or Blu-ray) out at a time and unlimited streaming. That is the minimum plan you would want.

is it worth buying Pricing and options for Standalone Extended Service Plans
ESP Gaming and Entertainment $250-$500
2 Year Service Plan $49.99 Add To Car from sony

for my slim? When is the latest I can buy? I purchased from frys

We need to be sure that it doesn't install firmware 3.0/3.01 when inserted. That firmware has been destroying older PS3's. The disaster is described in this forum:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3updates&thread.id=113602&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

Just got my Netflix streaming set up. I sampled 4 movies. On my Panasonic 42pz700 plasma, I'd say dvd quality is a stretch. If I'd make a comparison to DVD, I'd say 65 to 75% the image quality of DVDs. Do they have any HD quality streaming movies? I can't seem to find any when I search their site.I don't think I'm going to waste my time watching streaming movies with this PQ especially after getting used to Blu Ray.Unless , of course,they do have some films etc streamed with higher quality.By the way, my dsl down speed is 3 Mbps. would that be a bottleneck limiting my quality?

With download speed of 3 mbps, you won't get HD streams. The SD streams are carp. Can you check what version of firmware you have after Netflix install?

Just got my Netflix streaming set up. I sampled 4 movies. On my Panasonic 42pz700 plasma, I'd say dvd quality is a stretch. If I'd make a comparison to DVD, I'd say 65 to 75% the image quality of DVDs. Do they have any HD quality streaming movies? I can't seem to find any when I search their site.I don't think I'm going to waste my time watching streaming movies with this PQ especially after getting used to Blu Ray.Unless , of course,they do have some films etc streamed with higher quality.By the way, my dsl down speed is 3 Mbps. would that be a bottleneck limiting my quality?

On the Netflix website go to streaming and then look for HD under the genre category. That will bring up the HD selection.

[QUOTE=garyc8710;17487115]Just got my Netflix streaming set up....QUOTE]

Acording to the IGN article is dosent seem that this is technically a DL. But can you confirm what actually occurs when you insert the disc, and the post about the 3.0/3.1 firmware is dead on, can you confirm if it adds this or not. There is no way I can pay sony for a bricked system.

If anyone reports on the PS3 using Netflix - can you please specify if you are using wifi or ethernet?

I'll stick with Blu-Rays. I would much rather have 15 mbps+ Video and 4 mbps+ Audio any day of the week. I didn't go HD to watch crappier than DVD movie quality. I wonder how poor the audio will be. DVD is bad, if it is worse than it is in no way for me.

I understand why people like a service like this (convenience). Plus a lot of people still do not have HDTVs or surround sound so quality isn't a big issue at all. I would think the majority of people who use this site would not be interested in Netflix.

Luckily Blockbuster is 1/10 of a mile away, and is well stocked with Blu-Ray. Works for me.

Ok I tried the netflix out out for a few minutes...

Prior to using the disc my update still said that 3.01 was found (have not updated). After using the disc I still got the same message.

Looks like this does not install an update!

My SD and HD worked fine for the few minutes I watched, no glitches. I couldnt find an HD list on the PS3 browser so I had to add an HD title to my queue on my computer. Maybe there is a way on the PS3 just didnt see it

Also note I am using wi-fi, I don't know my speed though.

If I start running into issues I'll update my post

Hope this helps

I'll stick with Blu-Rays. I would much rather have 15 mbps+ Video and 4 mbps+ Audio any day of the week. I didn't go HD to watch crappier than DVD movie quality. I wonder how poor the audio will be. DVD is bad, if it is worse than it is in no way for me.

I understand why people like a service like this (convenience). Plus a lot of people still do not have HDTVs or surround sound so quality isn't a big issue at all. I would think the majority of people who use this site would not be interested in Netflix.

Luckily Blockbuster is 1/10 of a mile away, and is well stocked with Blu-Ray. Works for me.

Agreed on BD for quality, hands down. However, if movies are your passion (even above quality at times), there are some gems on Netflix streaming (particularly indies I would not normally watch). Further, the HD movies, while limited, are not bad quality. The audio is always 2.0 with Netflix streaming, so consider that, too.

There are plenty of us who use this site that are not only interested in Netflix, but have used it for quite some time. :)

Agreed on BD for quality, hands down. However, if movies are your passion (even above quality at times), there are some gems on Netflix streaming (particularly indies I would not normally watch). Further, the HD movies, while limited, are not bad quality. The audio is always 2.0 with Netflix streaming, so consider that, too.

There are plenty of us who use this site that are not only interested in Netflix, but have used it for quite some time. :)

That's what I use it for, those rare/obscure indie and especially foreign films, which there seems to be a large amount of in the Instant Viewing listings.

Anyone having any luck play HD content? All I get is 480p on HD selections so far. I called NetFlix and they checked their end and said the speed of my connection to them is too slow for HD (have a 15Mbps burstable to 22Mbps service). I ask the rep for where content is served from so I can try to trace back to where the problem was but he didn't have that info. Looking at a trace from my router looks like I'm connecting to servers in Chicago area on LLNW.NET (208.111.163.X) which is a hosting service. I've done a few speedtests using different servers to the Chicago area and get 17.2Mbps, 14.127Mbps and 19.39Mbps downstream speeds. So just curious what others are seeing?

Anyone having any luck play HD content? All I get is 480p on HD selections so far. I called NetFlix and they checked their end and said the speed of my connection to them is too slow for HD (have a 15Mbps burstable to 22Mbps service). I ask the rep for where content is served from so I can try to trace back to where the problem was but he didn't have that info. Looking at a trace from my router looks like I'm connecting to servers in Chicago area on LLNW.NET (208.111.163.X) which is a hosting service. I've done a few speedtests using different servers to the Chicago area and get 17.2Mbps, 14.127Mbps and 19.39Mbps downstream speeds. So just curious what others are seeing?

My sony 40 xbr4 shows a 720P signal on Lost season 3 episode one, when I use the display function. And shows a 480P on a PBS frontline documentry that I was watching so it looks like its working for me.

Ok I tried the netflix out out for a few minutes...

Prior to using the disc my update still said that 3.01 was found (have not updated). After using the disc I still got the same message.

Looks like this does not install an update!

My SD and HD worked fine for the few minutes I watched, no glitches. I couldnt find an HD list on the PS3 browser so I had to add an HD title to my queue on my computer. Maybe there is a way on the PS3 just didnt see it

Also note I am using wi-fi, I don't know my speed though.

If I start running into issues I'll update my post

Hope this helps


Thanks. It's good to know it is not updating the firmware. I will still wait a few weeks till I see more feedback. I have a Roku and Samsung 2550 so no need to rush here.

I got the netflix disc for the ps3. I must say that I am mostly impressed with it. it plays like the roku but with more options.. of differnt titles. if you have the roku machine, you know what i mean. the only problem is when they play full screen movies. it stretches the picture.

Jacob

We need to be sure that it doesn't install firmware 3.0/3.01 when inserted. That firmware has been destroying older PS3's. The disaster is described in this forum:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3updates&thread.id=113602&view=by_date_ascending&page=1

644 posts in a single thread is a pretty small sample size. How many millions of ps3's are out there?
Anyway, fighting anecdote with anecdote, my 60GB launch day ps3 survived the 3.0 /3.01 firmware upgrades with no issues, and every PS3 we have at work (about 300, i work at lucasarts) also survived, and most of those are pretty darn old. We use regular retail ps3's for QA testing.

the only problem is when they play full screen movies. it stretches the picture.

Jacob

A bit confused... does the PS3 version stretch for you? Not sure what (PS3 or roku) you mean by "they".

I am currently watching "sick, the life and death of bob flannigan, supermasochist" (great documentary, don't watch with a weak stomach). It is 4:3 movie and appears with the black bars on the side, as it should, on my TV.

644 posts in a single thread is a pretty small sample size. How many millions of ps3's are out there?
Anyway, fighting anecdote with anecdote, my 60GB launch day ps3 survived the 3.0 /3.01 firmware upgrades with no issues, and every PS3 we have at work (about 300, i work at lucasarts) also survived, and most of those are pretty darn old. We use regular retail ps3's for QA testing.

:mad:
Playing devils advocate here....

Lucasarts has plenty of MONEY to buy a new PS3. I (definitly am not looking for pity, just stating a fact) am unemployed in Michigan, one of the most F-ed up states in america in regards to unemployment, do not want to pay sony $150 to fix my PS2 backwards compatible currently unavailable (besides ebay I'm sure) Metal Gear Solid Edition PS3.

I'll update if Lucasarts is willing to pay for repairs!

Sorry I'm usually not an A$$ on forums but that response is BS

Rant done

644 posts in a single thread is a pretty small sample size. How many millions of ps3's are out there?
Anyway, fighting anecdote with anecdote, my 60GB launch day ps3 survived the 3.0 /3.01 firmware upgrades with no issues, and every PS3 we have at work (about 300, i work at lucasarts) also survived, and most of those are pretty darn old. We use regular retail ps3's for QA testing.


I have a 20GB I bought Jan 07 that continues to operate with the mandatory 3.00 FW and the optional 3.01 FW. Both were installed when at the time they were first released. If you go online with your PS3 you know Sony requires some FW updates and then others are optional. The 3.00 contained enhancements for Blu-Ray playback that might tax the older systems abilities hence the problems. I'm not trying to lessen the problems people are experiencing as i would be pretty darn upset if it happened to me. The linked thread is not the only one on the PS3 Forum concerning this issue that seems to be world wide. This issue reminds me of 2.4x FW that was much anticipated and pulled the same day it was released because of issues. The bottom line is if you intend on using your PS3's internet capability you have to accept most of Sony's FW updates (and the optional ones probably contain ones your system doesn't have).

If anyone reports on the PS3 using Netflix - can you please specify if you are using wifi or ethernet?

Wifi works fine with my PS3.

Interestingly, I have an Ethernet Mac Mini sitting next to the PS3. PS3 video is noticeably better for Netflix streaming.

Hmm, sounds like some optimization they have to do.

Maybe they've ported Silverlight to the PS3?

Hmm, sounds like some optimization they have to do.

Maybe they've ported Silverlight to the PS3?

I seriously doubt it. If I'm not mistaken, Silverlight is only used for streaming to PCs/Macs (and most likely 360s). All the other things (Rokus, DVD/BD players, TVs) that are capable of Netflix streaming are using some other system.

I meant with the ps3.. the picture is stretched. when I use the roku machine.. it plays it proper with the black side bars. what settings are you using on the ps3?
are you setting your HDTV to the 4:3 setting to watch it?

Jacob

644 posts in a single thread is a pretty small sample size. How many millions of ps3's are out there?
........... my 60GB launch day ps3 survived the 3.0 /3.01 firmware upgrades with no issues, and every PS3 we have at work (about 300, i work at lucasarts) also survived......

Considering the fact that not every PS3 owner goes online to post their displeasure, and that most owners have not updated fw due to laziness, no need too, or just plain old fear of possible problems....that 644 po'd posts in a relatively short period of time looks to be a fairly significant number.

:mad:
Playing devils advocate here....
do not want to pay sony $150 to fix my PS2 backwards compatible currently unavailable (besides ebay I'm sure) Metal Gear Solid Edition PS3.
I'll update if Lucasarts is willing to pay for repairs!.......

Same here. I already went through one disappointing fix situation, after only 2 months on a hardly used 80GB B/C SACD PS3.

....... The linked thread is not the only one on the PS3 Forum concerning this issue that seems to be world wide. This issue reminds me of 2.4x FW that was much anticipated and pulled the same day it was released because of issues. The bottom line is if you intend on using your PS3's internet capability you have to accept most of Sony's FW updates (and the optional ones probably contain ones your system doesn't have).

Yep. Amazing how fast people forgot about that problem which caused so much grief for early adopters. As people swore the fw screwed up their machines, others swore that it caused no problems....same situation I see happening now....but back then, Sony quickly fixed the problem and now they seem to disavow any problem.
I re-post this as a reminder that the CAL indicates that the newer fw is indeed a problem for many:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/PlayStation_3/Sony/Class_Action_Lawsuit_Filed_Over_PS3_Failures/3551

If it's possible, could someone provide a user report on how well the PS3 works (especially with wi-fi) while streaming Netflix once you get the discs?

How good do you expect it to work? Netflix streaming is crap - all streamed video is crap right now. The internet bandwidth required to stream video is HUGE - REALLY HUGE and the better you want the quality to be, the HUGER the bandwidth is going to be. Cable and satellite have similar bandwidth issues and it shows up as crappy-looking standard definition programming and crappy looking HD that's so bad compared to Blu-ray that it is called "HD Lite". To expect anything much different than that from streaming video services is expecting too much.

Expect high levels of mosquito noise, severe block artifacts during motion, contouring, and overall quality levels easily exceeded by DVD (for standard def programs) and Blu-ray (for HD video).

It doesn't matter what they call the video they deliver... 720, 1080, or even "standard def" or "480" - what you actually GET is going to be much worse than that after all the compression needed to get it to stream via internet connections. It's quite easy to make "1080" compressed video look worse than unmolested 480 video from a DVD.

I don't get the high level of interest in such low quality sources as internet-streamed video among people who mostly have quite good HD video displays.

How good do you expect it to work? Netflix streaming is crap - all streamed video is crap right now. The internet bandwidth required to stream video is HUGE - REALLY HUGE and the better you want the quality to be, the HUGER the bandwidth is going to be. Cable and satellite have similar bandwidth issues and it shows up as crappy-looking standard definition programming and crappy looking HD that's so bad compared to Blu-ray that it is called "HD Lite". To expect anything much different than that from streaming video services is expecting too much.

Expect high levels of mosquito noise, severe block artifacts during motion, contouring, and overall quality levels easily exceeded by DVD (for standard def programs) and Blu-ray (for HD video).

It doesn't matter what they call the video they deliver... 720, 1080, or even "standard def" or "480" - what you actually GET is going to be much worse than that after all the compression needed to get it to stream via internet connections. It's quite easy to make "1080" compressed video look worse than unmolested 480 video from a DVD.

I don't get the high level of interest in such low quality sources as internet-streamed video among people who mostly have quite good HD video displays.

I agree. I have a Roku and Samsung 2550 that I use for streaming. PQ is not there yet. I only watch/stream sitcoms and documentaries. And I do that maybe once or twice a month. Nothing beats physical format now for both PQ and AQ.

How good do you expect it to work? Netflix streaming is crap - all streamed video is crap right now. The internet bandwidth required to stream video is HUGE - REALLY HUGE and the better you want the quality to be, the HUGER the bandwidth is going to be. Cable and satellite have similar bandwidth issues and it shows up as crappy-looking standard definition programming and crappy looking HD that's so bad compared to Blu-ray that it is called "HD Lite". To expect anything much different than that from streaming video services is expecting too much.

Expect high levels of mosquito noise, severe block artifacts during motion, contouring, and overall quality levels easily exceeded by DVD (for standard def programs) and Blu-ray (for HD video).

It doesn't matter what they call the video they deliver... 720, 1080, or even "standard def" or "480" - what you actually GET is going to be much worse than that after all the compression needed to get it to stream via internet connections. It's quite easy to make "1080" compressed video look worse than unmolested 480 video from a DVD.

I don't get the high level of interest in such low quality sources as internet-streamed video among people who mostly have quite good HD video displays.

I hear ya loud & clear Doug. At most, I would just like to use Netflix streaming to watch a few episodes of "The Office". I have no experience with streaming devices, am considering buying the P3S for a back-up blu-ray player for my Oppo (and a game or 2), and just wanted to deternine if it was worth the while to hook up or not.

NETFLIX STREAMING ON A PS3

I received my Netflix Streaming PS3 Disc from Netflix today. I put the disc in the player and it loaded a Netflix screen with a code. I put the code into my Netflix account on my computer and my account became active on my PS3 right away. I watched Pan's Labyrinth in HD on my PS3 hooked up to my 61 inch Samsung HL61A750 LED DLP TV. The picture was good but not as pristine as the HD DVD that I own of the same movie. I have streamed the same movie previously in HD from Netflix to the same TV using a Samsung BD-P2550. The picture is slightly better on the Samsung BD-P2550 in my opinion. The video format is 720p. The sound is Dolby Digital 2.0 but sounded good especially after I used the sound processing ability of my Onkyo A/V receiver to apply Dolby IIx Movie processing to the stereo mix. I really like the Netflix interface of the PS3. The instant queue has the movies positioned horizontally and shows a small graphic of the movie. You select the movie you want to play and it then begins to play. I did not find a quality meter on the PS3 like is present on the Samsung Blu-ray players and the XBOX 360. Sony / Netflix should add this feature in my opinion. The interface also allows you to loop back to the beginning or end of your queue by using the left or right arrow. On some streaming devices you can not go any farther once you get to the end or begging of your queue which is very annoying.

The upper portion of the interface has a heading which allows you to go to sub categories to select movies or shows to stream. On most streaming devices you can only add movies or shows through your computer. The PS3 allows you to add movies / shows directly and begin playing them. There is also a category which remembers your recently played items. If you have told Netlix that you liked a particular show then there is also a category that states 'Like ____________" letting you know that this movie is like the _____________ (movie title) you liked.

Netflix and Sony did a very good job on the interface in my opinion.

Here is a video of the PS3 Netflix Streaming experience that someone posted at Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/n...deo/#continued

644 posts in a single thread is a pretty small sample size. How many millions of ps3's are out there?
Anyway, fighting anecdote with anecdote, my 60GB launch day ps3 survived the 3.0 /3.01 firmware upgrades with no issues, and every PS3 we have at work (about 300, i work at lucasarts) also survived, and most of those are pretty darn old. We use regular retail ps3's for QA testing.

I have a 40 GB PS3 (model CECHH01) with a manufacture date of November 2007. I've had no problems after updating to 3.0 and then 3.01.

However, I do understand the frustration of those whose units were bricked due to the update. It is simply not fair to make the customer pay for something a required update caused.

Why has this thread turned into a Netflix thread?

I'm thinking about getting a PS3 and have a quick question.

I have an older receiver and would just hook up the PS3 using an optical cable. Question: when playing Blu-Ray discs over optical audio cable, are the DD-HD and DTS-MA tracks downconverted into lossy DD and DTS 5.1? Will they be any better than regular DVD of the same movie? Or exactly the same? Just wondering how this works.

Thanks,
ET

How good do you expect it to work? Netflix streaming is crap - all streamed video is crap right now. The internet bandwidth required to stream video is HUGE - REALLY HUGE and the better you want the quality to be, the HUGER the bandwidth is going to be. Cable and satellite have similar bandwidth issues and it shows up as crappy-looking standard definition programming and crappy looking HD that's so bad compared to Blu-ray that it is called "HD Lite". To expect anything much different than that from streaming video services is expecting too much.

Expect high levels of mosquito noise, severe block artifacts during motion, contouring, and overall quality levels easily exceeded by DVD (for standard def programs) and Blu-ray (for HD video).

It doesn't matter what they call the video they deliver... 720, 1080, or even "standard def" or "480" - what you actually GET is going to be much worse than that after all the compression needed to get it to stream via internet connections. It's quite easy to make "1080" compressed video look worse than unmolested 480 video from a DVD.

I don't get the high level of interest in such low quality sources as internet-streamed video among people who mostly have quite good HD video displays.

I am assuming that your internet speed is 3 Mpbs or less. For those of us with higher speed internet service then your statement is very misleading. However, I do agree with you that Blu-ray is superior to streaming.

I am assuming that your internet speed is 3 Mpbs or less. For those of us with higher speed internet service then your statement is very misleading. However, I do agree with you that Blu-ray is superior to streaming.

I have 25 Mbps download speed and I can't stand the quality of the streamed movies any longer. I used to get very good quality in the beginning but now PQ has gone downhill. I now only stream and watch sitcoms and documentaries once in a while. I am in 6 out plan and I have no use of the streaming feature for movies. I will take SD DVD over HD 720p stream anyday. I have Roku, Samsung 2550 and PS3.

Netflix disk came in yesterday. Did some streaming this morning. Very happy with the quality...almost as good as the Roku player. I'm on DSL 3mg down 768 up...with averages around 2.7/512.

I don't expect streaming to be perfect or eye popping...it's just nice to supplement what I get on physical disks.

I'm thinking about getting a PS3 and have a quick question.

I have an older receiver and would just hook up the PS3 using an optical cable. Question: when playing Blu-Ray discs over optical audio cable, are the DD-HD and DTS-MA tracks downconverted into lossy DD and DTS 5.1? Will they be any better than regular DVD of the same movie? Or exactly the same? Just wondering how this works.
You will get only the lossy 5.1 Codecs using an optical audio cable. Those audio Codecs are the same as those on DVDs. They aren't bad but they are inferior to HD audio. This isn't the fault of the PS3, though. Because of the copy protection built in to all BDs, HDMI is the only way to pass HD audio from any BD player to any AV receiver.

Whats the biggest hard drive size these things can support?

Thanks

Whats the biggest hard drive size these things can support?

ThanksInternally, externally or a quasi hack of external into internal opening? Your wallet size and currect HDD technology are the only limiting factors.

You will get only the lossy 5.1 Codecs using an optical audio cable. Those audio Codecs are the same as those on DVDs. They aren't bad but they are inferior to HD audio. This isn't the fault of the PS3, though. Because of the copy protection built in to all BDs, HDMI is the only way to pass HD audio from any BD player to any AV receiver.

HDMI is the only way to get HD audio, from a PS3. There are now many BD players with multi-ch analogue outs that will get you the HD audio. And the limitation over optical isn't due to copy protection. The optical simply can't handle the HD audio.

You will get only the lossy 5.1 Codecs using an optical audio cable. Those audio Codecs are the same as those on DVDs. They aren't bad but they are inferior to HD audio. This isn't the fault of the PS3, though. Because of the copy protection built in to all BDs, HDMI is the only way to pass HD audio from any BD player to any AV receiver.

Actually, you usually get 640 kbps DD through optical. Still lossy, but better than 384, or 448.

Internally, externally or a quasi hack of external into internal opening? Your wallet size and currect HDD technology are the only limiting factors.
Internally.

Why has this thread turned into a Netflix thread?

Because the PS3 now supports Netflix streaming?

I have 25 Mbps download speed and I can't stand the quality of the streamed movies any longer. I used to get very good quality in the beginning but now PQ has gone downhill. I now only stream and watch sitcoms and documentaries once in a while. I am in 6 out plan and I have no use of the streaming feature for movies. I will take SD DVD over HD 720p stream anyday. I have Roku, Samsung 2550 and PS3.

I am sorry to hear that as I have been pleased with my Netflix streaming. My picture quality is good. I find that the streaming ability of my Samsung BD-P2550 is the best out of my devices. I have the PS3, XBOX 360, and the Samsung BD-P2550.

I would say that PS3 as Blu Ray = Netflix interest. PS3 as Blu Ray thread means PS3 owners who need Blu Ray media and I would safely say that Netflix is far and away the main source of Blu Ray media for PS3 owners..So it follows that those interested in this thread would also be interested in the latest development involving both PS3s and Netflix. I
would submit that this subject does indeed belong in this thread along with other threads found here such as
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931796&highlight=ps3
No?

I concur and would also recommend this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1180606&page=7

You will get only the lossy 5.1 Codecs using an optical audio cable.

That's true.

Those audio Codecs are the same as those on DVDs. They're the same codecs, but on BDs they are encoded at significantly higher bitrates, resulting in audio so good that many people can't distinguish it from lossless.

HDMI is the only way to pass HD audio from any BD player to any AV receiver.
Unless the player has multichannel analog outputs and the AVR has corresponding inputs.

I can't even remember the last time I updated my PS3 firmware, but with the seemingly growing reports of problems with the 3.0/3.01 update, I can't bring myself to risk it.

The only feature that I'd really like is the dual-output audio option, so I can run HDMI to my TV and optical to my receiver without switching every time. But is it worth possibly bricking the player to get that? Therein lies the dilemma:(

I can't even remember the last time I updated my PS3 firmware, but with the seemingly growing reports of problems with the 3.0/3.01 update, I can't bring myself to risk it.

The only feature that I'd really like is the dual-output audio option, so I can run HDMI to my TV and optical to my receiver without switching every time. But is it worth possibly bricking the player to get that? Therein lies the dilemma:(

It is a dilema indeed as I would be furious if a mandatory FW update bricked my PS3. As I stated before I have a 20GB (Jan '07) that has the 3.00/3.01 FW updates and ,knock on wood, has worked since downloaded. The 3.00 is a mandatory one but the 3.01 is optional (I have a feeling you'd get 3.00 if you opted for 3.01). As you most probably know you have to accept the mandatory updates before you can go online. If this has caused a person's perfectly working PS3 prior to DL to brick then Sony should be held accountable. I hope Sony works out a compromise with those affected quickly.

My PS3 (40 GB model/Firmware 3.01) has been acting up with the last 2 movies I have watched. I have had it since Christmas of 2007. The last 2 Blu-ray movies I have watched freezed right around 50 minutes into the movie. This happened with G.I. Joe Rise of the Cobra and The Ugly Truth. It will freeze for a few seconds then playback will resume and 10-15 seconds later it freezes for good and takes over a minute to get to the main menu to eject the disc and then takes another minute for the disc to eject. I have to turn the PS3 off and then back on again. I then re-insert disc and go to the nearest chapter to resume movie and I did not have any problems after that, but I hope this is not going to be a trend.

Has anyone else experienced this issue or have a solution to the problem? Perhaps the drive needs to be cleaned? If so, how do I clean it and with what? I watch quite a few movies (about 4-8 movies per week) so its being used quite a bit.

Your symptoms match those experienced by some others after installing the 3.0/3.01 firmware on older models. The failure may be immediate or may take a while but it appears to be thermal and gets worse over time, often resulting in the yellow light of death and total failure. With 3.0/3.01 you spin the wheel of fortune and take your chances: some folks are having no trouble and others now own a brick.

HDMI is the only way to get HD audio, from a PS3. There are now many BD players with multi-ch analogue outs that will get you the HD audio. And the limitation over optical isn't due to copy protection. The optical simply can't handle the HD audio.
A quick Google search seems to confirm that the reason optical cables can't handle HD audio is the result of optical's limited bandwidth capability, not copy protection. I think I got confused because the reason component video cables can't handle 1080p video is, indeed, caused by copy protection and not by any bandwidth limitation. I had simply assumed, wrongly in the event, that the same situation applied to optical audio.

Your symptoms match those experienced by some others after installing the 3.0/3.01 firmware on older models. The failure may be immediate or may take a while but it appears to be thermal and gets worse over time, often resulting in the yellow light of death and total failure. With 3.0/3.01 you spin the wheel of fortune and take your chances: some folks are having no trouble and others now own a brick.

Are people having problems with the FW update on the Slim models?

My PS3 (40 GB model/Firmware 3.01) has been acting up with the last 2 movies I have watched. I have had it since Christmas of 2007. The last 2 Blu-ray movies I have watched freezed right around 50 minutes into the movie. This happened with G.I. Joe Rise of the Cobra and The Ugly Truth. It will freeze for a few seconds then playback will resume and 10-15 seconds later it freezes for good and takes over a minute to get to the main menu to eject the disc and then takes another minute for the disc to eject. I have to turn the PS3 off and then back on again. I then re-insert disc and go to the nearest chapter to resume movie and I did not have any problems after that, but I hope this is not going to be a trend.

Has anyone else experienced this issue or have a solution to the problem? Perhaps the drive needs to be cleaned? If so, how do I clean it and with what? I watch quite a few movies (about 4-8 movies per week) so its being used quite a bit.

Mine did the exact same thing before it stopped recognizing discs altogether. Like yours, mine was a 40 GB model purchased on Black Friday of 2007. Sony wanted $150 to fix - no thanks. I hope you have better luck than me, and yours just needs cleaning.

I am assuming that your internet speed is 3 Mpbs or less. For those of us with higher speed internet service then your statement is very misleading. However, I do agree with you that Blu-ray is superior to streaming.


I have a 7mbs connection speed (most of the time) - but it doesn't matter. The quality still sucks hugely. As bad as cable and satellite TV look, streamed video is much worse and it doesn't matter what your connection speed is. If you are willing to wait 6 hours to view a 2 hour movie, you could get good video (and audio quality - let's not underestimate the value of audio in the home theater experience, 5.1 or 7.1 TrueHD or DTS-HD MA is a big deal when it comes to the home theater experience... it's at LEAST as much of the experience as the 50" or larger panel or projector display). But downloading a video is not streaming and few people would be willing to tie up their internet connection for 6 hours (unless it is overnight) when all the bandwidth would be used up for the download.

Most companies using an internet connection pay for their service by volume and peak speeds. That means if they send high-quality video, it could cost them 2 to 6 times more to send the HQ video than it would cost them to send a low quality highly-compressed stream. So if you are using a cheap streaming service (like Netflix and all the others... so far), you are going to get the highly-compressed stream regardless of your connection speed (though a bogged down lower-speed connection MIGHT look a little worse, depends on how they deal with slower connections at their end).

644 posts in a single thread is a pretty small sample size. How many millions of ps3's are out there?
Anyway, fighting anecdote with anecdote, my 60GB launch day ps3 survived the 3.0 /3.01 firmware upgrades with no issues, and every PS3 we have at work (about 300, i work at lucasarts) also survived, and most of those are pretty darn old. We use regular retail ps3's for QA testing.
Gawd, I'm glad I checked AVS and a couple of other sites before I updated to 3.01.
I guess what I don't understand is why certain members are so adamant that this isn't a firmware issue, when it seems obvious that it is.
And others who try to explain why a firmware update can't brick one device and leave another one unaffected don't know what they're talking about to be honest.
I've been very happy with my PS3 so far and think it's a great device but if Sony doesn't address this issue, I for one will put mine on CL, buy an Oppo and make no secret of it.
Sony is risking a lot of negative publicity on this one imo.

Your symptoms match those experienced by some others after installing the 3.0/3.01 firmware on older models. The failure may be immediate or may take a while but it appears to be thermal and gets worse over time, often resulting in the yellow light of death and total failure. With 3.0/3.01 you spin the wheel of fortune and take your chances: some folks are having no trouble and others now own a brick.
Thats not good at all. I am extremely worried after reading a few responses through Google search and now the responses in this forum. The weird thing is that I have had 3.0 ever since it was released and I was having no problems up until the other night. After the 2 failures I upgraded to 3.01 hoping maybe it would help, but nope. This seems to clearly be a Sony related issue with their firmware and they should back up their product.

Mine did the exact same thing before it stopped recognizing discs altogether. Like yours, mine was a 40 GB model purchased on Black Friday of 2007. Sony wanted $150 to fix - no thanks. I hope you have better luck than me, and yours just needs cleaning.
I got mine for Christmas of 2007 so we both got ours approximately right around the same time. $150 is a lot to ask to fix it considering that you can buy a new one for $150 more. This is a shame and I hope Sony does something about it. They should have came out with new firmware by now.

Thats not good at all. I am extremely worried after reading a few responses through Google search and now the responses in this forum. The weird thing is that I have had 3.0 ever since it was released and I was having no problems up until the other night. After the 2 failures I upgraded to 3.01 hoping maybe it would help, but nope. This seems to clearly be a Sony related issue with their firmware and they should back up their product.


I got mine for Christmas of 2007 so we both got ours approximately right around the same time. $150 is a lot to ask to fix it considering that you can buy a new one for $150 more. This is a shame and I hope Sony does something about it. They should have came out with new firmware by now.

new fw may not help many if the units turn off/reboot or dont work at all. Sad that Sony has another FW issue on the PS3

Thankfully I don't have mine connected to the internet, and will not update until this matter is resolved. If they don't fix it soon, I'll be buying a SA unit (and not a SONY:mad:)

I just watched Up tonight and the PS3 never froze or locked up. I am still very worried though. This is awfully strange.

Hi, just wondering why my transfer rate is slow on my dir 655 v1.21. Last night I was transferring a video (356mb) from my PC to the PS3 and it take about 1 min. Both my pc and pc are wired. Both are using cat5e cable and nothing else is wired into the router. I have a intel pro 1000 gigabit card in my pc and the PS3 is set to 1000BASE-T. I was suprised that the PS3 could connect at gigabit. I was using Java media server. The router is in my room with the PC, and the PS3 Is a floor down. The cat5e from the ps3 to the router is about 30 feet. My desktop is XP sp3 with 2gb of ram 7200 rpm. I dont know if the issue is with the ps3 or router. I thought gigabit is much faster then this.

I have a 7mbs connection speed (most of the time) - but it doesn't matter. The quality still sucks hugely. As bad as cable and satellite TV look, streamed video is much worse and it doesn't matter what your connection speed is. If you are willing to wait 6 hours to view a 2 hour movie, you could get good video (and audio quality - let's not underestimate the value of audio in the home theater experience, 5.1 or 7.1 TrueHD or DTS-HD MA is a big deal when it comes to the home theater experience... it's at LEAST as much of the experience as the 50" or larger panel or projector display). But downloading a video is not streaming and few people would be willing to tie up their internet connection for 6 hours (unless it is overnight) when all the bandwidth would be used up for the download.

Most companies using an internet connection pay for their service by volume and peak speeds. That means if they send high-quality video, it could cost them 2 to 6 times more to send the HQ video than it would cost them to send a low quality highly-compressed stream. So if you are using a cheap streaming service (like Netflix and all the others... so far), you are going to get the highly-compressed stream regardless of your connection speed (though a bogged down lower-speed connection MIGHT look a little worse, depends on how they deal with slower connections at their end).

Doug are you streaming the HD stream from Netflix as it is superior to their normal streams? No one that I know of including Netflix themselves is advocating that Netflix streaming is superior to Blu-ray. However, it is a nice bonus to have when you want to watch a quick movie or show. I prefer to watch everything in Blu-ray quality but sometimes I just want a quick fix and Netflix streaming fits the bill. However, I find the quality of the stream is generally pretty good. The sound is stereo but my A/V processor does a nice job of generating a surround sound environment.

You lump all of the streaming services together. However, it is my understanding that Vudu's top tier HD stream is hard to distinguish from Blu-ray as far as video quality goes. The audio is only Dolby Digital but that is better than stereo.

A pristine Blu-ray is still King in both video and audio. However, I do not believe streaming is as bad as some people claim it is. Everyone, will have to try it themselves and then make up their own mind.

Because the PS3 now supports Netflix streaming?

Yes, but this thread was not intended to be about streaming highly inferior quality media through a PS3. It was intended to discuss BD playback. The PS3 also supports gaming, and we're not talking about the purchase of those games, right?

Doug are you streaming the HD stream from Netflix as it is superior to their normal streams? No one that I know of including Netflix themselves is advocating that Netflix streaming is superior to Blu-ray. However, it is a nice bonus to have when you want to watch a quick movie or show. I prefer to watch everything in Blu-ray quality but sometimes I just want a quick fix and Netflix streaming fits the bill. However, I find the quality of the stream is generally pretty good. The sound is stereo but my A/V processor does a nice job of generating a surround sound environment.

You lump all of the streaming services together. However, it is my understanding that Vudu's top tier HD stream is hard to distinguish from Blu-ray as far as video quality goes. The audio is only Dolby Digital but that is better than stereo.

A pristine Blu-ray is still King in both video and audio. However, I do not believe streaming is as bad as some people claim it is. Everyone, will have to try it themselves and then make up their own mind.

Completely agreed. And as I've mentioned before, I mainly stream programs I wouldn't normally rent, so it opens my horizons to indies and documentaries I may have otherwise missed.

The good news is, IT'S OPTIONAL.

You guys with streaming discs from Netflix already, when did you sign up to get them?

You guys with streaming discs from Netflix already, when did you sign up to get them?

when the announcement was made, about a week ago, or so

when i play music or videos on my ps3 i get no sound from my speakers connected to my receiver. if i play a bluray movie or a game there's sound only when the actual movie starts playing. how can i fix this

I just got an email from Netflix in which they offered to send me the disc that will allow me to stream NF content to my PS3. I took them up on it, although I already have NF streaming via my TiVo Series3. I want to compare how each works. Does the NF disc have to be in the PS3 before it can play NF content? It so, I suspect that will make it a non starter for me.

Yes, but this thread was not intended to be about streaming highly inferior quality media through a PS3. It was intended to discuss BD playback. The PS3 also supports gaming, and we're not talking about the purchase of those games, right?
Carried to its logical extreme, your claim that this thread is ONLY for discussing the PS3 as a BD player would mean that a discussion of the PS3's ability to upconvert DVDs would be out of bounds. It is clear to me, and I suspect to many others, that the purpose of this thread is to discuss the PS3's ability to handle all media that carry movies and television programming, including Netflix streaming. I get most of the discs I watch on my PS3 from Netflix so NF streaming is something I want to hear from other PS3 owners about. I suspect that the same is true of many others here.

I agree, gwsat. As long as game discussions aren't permitted, having dialog concerning the PS3 as the all encompassing media streamer that it is should certainly be fair game.

Whether we like it or not, media streaming is the next big thing. As long as it remains an adjunct to the mighty Blu-Ray, those who want to should be welcoming it with open arms...I certainly have...Will

I just got an email from Netflix in which they offered to send me the disc that will allow me to stream NF content to my PS3. I took them up on it, although I already have NF streaming via my TiVo Series3. I want to compare how each works. Does the NF disc have to be in the PS3 before it can play NF content? It so, I suspect that will make it a non starter for me.

Yes, the disc has to be in. There are interface differences between the TiVo and the PS3 that are worth checking out. You can browse content directly with the PS3 interface, for example. I detect no performance or PQ differences between the two devices, which in my system are both connected to the same wired ethernet switcher.

Yes, the disc has to be in. There are interface differences between the TiVo and the PS3 that are worth checking out. You can browse content directly with the PS3 interface, for example. I detect no performance or PQ differences between the two devices, which in my system are both connected to the same wired ethernet switcher.
Thanks for your input. I'll report my findings after I get the NF streaming disc from Sony and have a chance to assess how NF streaming works on the PS3 compared to the TiVo Series3. My network connection to the PS3 is different from the connection to the TiVo S3. I use the built in wireless network client on the PS3 and a TiVo wireless adapter with the S3.

I watched 2 HD streamed movies over the weekend and they looked as good as my comcast fed HD content, so it's a nice option.

My only concern now is that I'm using my PS3 2-3 times more than usual.

You can't have the cake and eat it too.

Thanks for your input. I'll report my findings after I get the NF streaming disc from Sony and have a chance to assess how NF streaming works on the PS3 compared to the TiVo Series3. My network connection to the PS3 is different from the connection to the TiVo S3. I use the built in wireless network client on the PS3 and a TiVo wireless adapter with the S3.

gwsat, if you are interested, I just gave a little mini-comparrison (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17511499#post17511499) on the TiVo HD thread between Netflix streaming on the PS3 and TiVo HD. Just a heads up, I think the PS3 slightly edges out the TiVo HD, but only slightly.

And if someone could confirm that when you either a) manually leave a movie mid-stream on the PS3, or b) get booted out of a movie mid-stream on the PS3, is there a resume-play option and does it work correctly?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17511499#post17511499

edit: okay, I just confirmed that the PS3 does have a resume-play option when you manually leave a movie mid-stream, but still unsure about when getting booted out, as I have yet to have that happen.

I am still having issues with my PS3. Seems like movies are constantly freezing and locking up around 50-55 minutes into the movie. I think I am going to try cleaning the drive with one of those disc cleaners. Do any of you have any good recommendations on what to use. Perhaps you used something before thats worked well? I just don't know what to use exactly for the PS3.

I am still having issues with my PS3. Seems like movies are constantly freezing and locking up around 50-55 minutes into the movie. I think I am going to try cleaning the drive with one of those disc cleaners. Do any of you have any good recommendations on what to use. Perhaps you used something before thats worked well? I just don't know what to use exactly for the PS3.

I'm no expert, but I would deduce that if the discs can reliably play up until a certain point, a dirty drive is not your problem. I wouldn't risk putting one of those "cleaners" in my drive, especially for such a long shot. It sounds more like a heat issue to me.

I'm no expert, but I would deduce that if the discs can reliably play up until a certain point, a dirty drive is not your problem. I wouldn't risk putting one of those "cleaners" in my drive, especially for such a long shot. It sounds more like a heat issue to me.
It's probably a drive problem, but dirt may or may not be at fault. 50-55 minutes into a movie is about where the layer change would take place on a dual layer disc. So if it fails fairly consistently at that point, the drive is probably having trouble switching layers.

Not having looked at the back of a PS3 slim or older one- I am guessing that it does not have an analog 7.1 output so that I can get HD Audio to my Krell Showcase Pre. that does not have HDMI. I am looking to upgrade an older BD player that does have that and that is a must for me at this point. Is there a way around this issue.

Not having looked at the back of a PS3 slim or older one- I am guessing that it does not have an analog 7.1 output so that I can get HD Audio to my Krell Showcase Pre. that does not have HDMI. I am looking to upgrade an older BD player that does have that and that is a must for me at this point. Is there a way around this issue.

Not with a PS3, no.

That is something I was afraid of. Not being a big game player at this point it doesn't make sense for me I guess at this point to look at the PS3. So the trek goes on.

I watched 2 HD streamed movies over the weekend and they looked as good as my comcast fed HD content, so it's a nice option.

I tried a MythBusters episode listed in the HD section, but it wasn't good at all, about what I'd expect from a poor DVD. OTOH, the 100-inch projected image magnifies any imperfection.

I couldn't find any indication as to whether Netflix qualified my connection for HD delivery. (It should have qualified; I have a good FiOS connection, advertised as 25Mbs, file downloads typically 0.5-1.2 MBps.) Is there any quality indication in the interface, as to whether Netflix is delivering the HD version or not?

I tried a MythBusters episode listed in the HD section, but it wasn't good at all, about what I'd expect from a poor DVD. OTOH, the 100-inch projected image magnifies any imperfection.

I couldn't find any indication as to whether Netflix qualified my connection for HD delivery. (It should have qualified; I have a good FiOS connection, advertised as 25Mbs, file downloads typically 0.5-1.2 MBps.) Is there any quality indication in the interface, as to whether Netflix is delivering the HD version or not?
First, when you first load the show that you want to watch, a graphic appears showing the signal strength of the show being streamed. If it is an HD stream, the letters "HD" will appear to the right of the signal strength meter. I have been getting the HD versions of all shows that are available that way but agree with you that the PQ of HD shows from Netflix streaming is discernibly inferior to the HD programming I get from Cox OKC on my 60 inch Pioneer Kuro 6020.

CAVEAT: What I have described about the HD indication within the signal strength meter applies only to NF streaming via a TiVo. I have not yet received the NF streaming disc for my PS3.

Do NOT put one of those cleaner discs in ANY disc player you own. They are stupid - perhaps one of the worst ideas ever in a consumer product. The laser lens moves sideways and vertically on very delicate flexures... sort of like very delicate leaf springs... VERY delicate. The tracking (sideways) and focus (vertical) motion are controlled by tiny linear motors attached to the lens assembly. Putting one of those cleaning discs in the drive swipes the cleaning surface across the lens with absolutely no regard for the delicate suspension and tracking motors. Those discs are STUPID. If you'd clean a baby with a grinding disc, the "lens cleaning discs" are just the tool for you.

Ive really tried looking for what I need to hook up my ps3 to the internet wireless but cant seem to find everything in one shot. I have no idea what I need to get. Heres what I have:

HP PC with Vista 32bit and a wired modem running Qwest DSL
PS3 60 gb system running to my AVR via HDMI
PS3 in living room, PC about 60 feet away, down a hallway. Same floor.

I just need to know what "boxes" i need to hook up. Do I need a different modem, which kind of router needs to be at the PS3. Thanks in advance.

Ive really tried looking for what I need to hook up my ps3 to the internet wireless but cant seem to find everything in one shot. I have no idea what I need to get. Heres what I have:

HP PC with Vista 32bit and a wired modem running Qwest DSL
PS3 60 gb system running to my AVR via HDMI
PS3 in living room, PC about 60 feet away, down a hallway. Same floor.

I just need to know what "boxes" i need to hook up. Do I need a different modem, which kind of router needs to be at the PS3. Thanks in advance.
In order to establish a wireless Internet connection from your PS3 to the Internet you will need to get an 802.11g wireless router. You would then physically connect the wireless router to your DSL modem with an Ethernet cable and after that setup a wireless connection between the router and the PS3. The instructions that come with any wireless router should be able to explain to you how to accomplish this.

I'm no expert, but I would deduce that if the discs can reliably play up until a certain point, a dirty drive is not your problem. I wouldn't risk putting one of those "cleaners" in my drive, especially for such a long shot. It sounds more like a heat issue to me.
If its a heat issue then what should I do? I am unsure how to fix something like this.

It's probably a drive problem, but dirt may or may not be at fault. 50-55 minutes into a movie is about where the layer change would take place on a dual layer disc. So if it fails fairly consistently at that point, the drive is probably having trouble switching layers.
So if its having trouble switching layers then perhaps the drive is going bad. Would you know how much a new drive costs and how hard or easy it is to replace the old drive by putting a new one in? Also, this has not happened with every single disc. I was watching Up and it played perfectly all the way through. With that being said I did have a fan blowing on the PS3 so I don't know if its a heat issue like 120inna55 said or if its in fact a bad drive.

In order to establish a wireless Internet connection from your PS3 to the Internet you will need to get an 802.11g wireless router. You would then physically connect the wireless router to your DSL modem with an Ethernet cable and after that setup a wireless connection between the router and the PS3. The instructions that come with any wireless router should be able to explain to you how to accomplish this.

So all I need is a wireless router and Im good to go? Now, which should I get? Ive some with N's and other letters. Is one better than another or is there only one kind I can use?

For those interested, HIGH-DEF DIGEST did a decent job of reviewing the Netfllix streaming experience on the PS3 (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Michael_S._Palmer/Sony/PlayStation_3/PS3/Netflix/Review:_Netflix_Streaming_on_Sony’s_PlayStation_3/3759).

So all I need is a wireless router and Im good to go? Now, which should I get? Ive some with N's and other letters. Is one better than another or is there only one kind I can use?

If you use the wireless adapter built into the PS3, it is a "G" adapter. You could get an N router, which is backward-compatible, but you will be limited to the slower "G" transfer rate. Wireless G is not quite fast enough for reliable HD video streaming but good enough for anything else. You should just be able to connect the router to the DSL modem, and whatever computers you have to the router. Check out some of the forums for wireless networking like broadbandreports.com.

If you decide to upgrade your network later, you can go with an N router but you will need to connect the PS3 to a wireless N bridge (a separate piece of wireless hardware) to get the N speeds. Best thing to do, if you can, is hardwire everything.

If you use the wireless adapter built into the PS3, it is a "G" adapter. You could get an N router, which is backward-compatible, but you will be limited to the slower "G" transfer rate. Wireless G is not quite fast enough for reliable HD video streaming but good enough for anything else. You should just be able to connect the router to the DSL modem, and whatever computers you have to the router. Check out some of the forums for wireless networking like broadbandreports.com.

If you decide to upgrade your network later, you can go with an N router but you will need to connect the PS3 to a wireless N bridge (a separate piece of wireless hardware) to get the N speeds. Best thing to do, if you can, is hardwire everything.

So if I were to get the N bridge and an N router, I could increase speeds? Are these speeds dependant on my computer, DSL speeds, etc? I guess Im wondering if theres the possibility that something else could keep me from getting the N-speeds if I were to get the bridge and the router.

So if I were to get the N bridge and an N router, I could increase speeds? Are these speeds dependant on my computer, DSL speeds, etc? I guess Im wondering if theres the possibility that something else could keep me from getting the N-speeds if I were to get the bridge and the router.

Yes, if you're surfing the internet or downloading demos, trailers or whatever, you're going to be limited to whichever is the slowest speed. DSL is quite a bit slower than wireless N, and you'd have to have a REALLY fast DSL connection for it to be faster than wireless G. Unless you're trying to stream HD video from a computer or media server in the house, you really only need a G router since the PS3 has the G adapter built in. You can get decent G routers for less than fifty bucks.

It has nothing to do with the computer speed. Obviously if you're trying to download stuff on your computer at the same time you're downloading stuff on the PS3, each download will slow down to about half speed.

Well for any (part-time) gamers out there:

I picked up the new Call of Duty MW2, and in order to play I was forced to update to 3.01. Disc loaded and I played for about an hour with no problems.

I watched about 45 minutes of the NIN concert BD, with no problems as well. Hopefully all is well.

Just a small vote of confidence for those concerned about the issues surrounding the update. :)

(40gb spiderman-3 issue PS3, updated via USB stick)

If you use the wireless adapter built into the PS3, it is a "G" adapter. You could get an N router, which is backward-compatible, but you will be limited to the slower "G" transfer rate. Wireless G is not quite fast enough for reliable HD video streaming but good enough for anything else. You should just be able to connect the router to the DSL modem, and whatever computers you have to the router. Check out some of the forums for wireless networking like broadbandreports.com.

If you decide to upgrade your network later, you can go with an N router but you will need to connect the PS3 to a wireless N bridge (a separate piece of wireless hardware) to get the N speeds. Best thing to do, if you can, is hardwire everything.
I mostly agree with the foregoing but, based on personal experience, have a couple of caveats:

First, I stream movies from Netflix to my TiVo Series3 with a TiVo wireless adapter, which is 802.11g. It streams Netflix's HD content quite well. HD selections have been just as reliable as SD shows. Nevertheless, the connection does sometimes hiccup, regardless of whether the content is HD or SD.

Second, I have found an 802.11g wireless connection to be just as useful for streaming as an 802.11n connection. I achieve the n connection by making an Ethernet connection between the PS3 or other device and an Airport Express, which communicates with an Apple Time Capsule at n speeds. Keep in mind that even 802.11g speeds are faster that the download speeds typically achievable from a cable modem.

I mostly agree with the foregoing but, based on personal experience, have a couple of caveats:

First, I stream movies from Netflix to my TiVo Series3 with a TiVo wireless adapter, which is 802.11g. It streams Netflix's HD content quite well. HD selections have been just as reliable as SD shows. Nevertheless, the connection does sometimes hiccup, regardless of whether the content is HD or SD.

Second, I have found an 802.11g wireless connection to be just as useful for streaming as an 802.11n connection. I achieve the n connection by making an Ethernet connection between the PS3 or other device and an Airport Express, which communicates with an Apple Time Capsule at n speeds. Keep in mind that even 802.11g speeds are faster that the download speeds typically achievable from a cable modem.

Good add, thanks gwsat. I have a 15-22 Mbps TWC cable connection, and my real-world G speeds seem to dip below that (i.e. I usually get faster downloads on my wired machines). HD video has been hit or miss for me. I am in a multi-level house which definitely cuts my signal strength some. I have 3 WRT54G routers, 2 of which are upstairs set up as client bridges, and one as AP downstairs, everything running DD-WRT. It's especially iffy when trying to stream between the two bridges--possibly it's going from bridge to AP to bridge all over wireless, which would explain the choppy video. I'm thinking about changing over to N routers one of these days now that the N spec is out of draft.

can someone confirm if this new sony 3 slim plays (cd -wma)

Thanks guys, answered my questions perfectly. I appreciate giving info I know youve given a hundred times. Take care.

quick question--how do you turn off the controllers without turning off the PS3? I have some downloads going on for a few hours but I don't want to drain the battery on controllers. thanks much.

You can either set them to turn off automatically when idle, or just hold the PS button down, and select Turn Off Controller.

Thanks,Dirac. I use Harmony a lot these days and forgot about the functions on 6axis.

I currently have my ps3 to my yamaha rx, to my panasonic front projector, which accepts 1080p/60. i plan on adding a 4x2 monoprice matrix switcher. i will run the second output to my sony bravia 46E3000 RPTV. I assume it will not support 1080p/60, so i will have to change the ps3 output to 1080i. (the bravia will accept 1080p/24, but it's only a 60Hz set, so no benefit there.) Any suggestions? thanks,
ej

So if its having trouble switching layers then perhaps the drive is going bad. Would you know how much a new drive costs and how hard or easy it is to replace the old drive by putting a new one in? Also, this has not happened with every single disc. I was watching Up and it played perfectly all the way through.
I've seen numerous reports on the web about how to replace the laser lens on your PS3 drive, but nothing on replacement of the entire drive. Apparently, it is not a simple repair. It's possible that replacing the lens might help your situation, but frankly, it's just a shot in the dark. Google something like "replace PS3 lens" for more information.

Intermittent problems are always the hardest ones to solve.

I contacted Sony about my issues. They told me that the SCEA is aware of the isolated issues concerning the freezing problem. They told me to boot up in safe mode and then do a Restore File System. So, I guess I will go ahead and do this. If it messes up then its on them for sure because this is what they are telling me to do.

Well for any (part-time) gamers out there:

I picked up the new Call of Duty MW2, and in order to play I was forced to update to 3.01. Disc loaded and I played for about an hour with no problems.

I watched about 45 minutes of the NIN concert BD, with no problems as well. Hopefully all is well.

Just a small vote of confidence for those concerned about the issues surrounding the update. :)

(40gb spiderman-3 issue PS3, updated via USB stick)
I didn't have problems until well after the update. Maybe you are in the clear though. Seems like the problem is only hitting a console here and there instead of all of them being infected. I too was playing MW2 for a little over an hour and I did not have any issues with the game thus far. Its just that some movies are freezing at 50-55 minutes in.

...I was watching Up and it played perfectly all the way through. With that being said I did have a fan blowing on the PS3 so I don't know if its a heat issue like 120inna55 said or if its in fact a bad drive.

Try playing Up without the fan. You may find that the fan is what makes the difference. Once you narrow this down, you may need to re-locate the PS3 or use a laptop cooling pad, etc.

Does the Netflix disc install or update the latest firmware 3.0/3.01? Does the Netflix disc even requires the newest firmware to work? I am really very hesitant to connect to the internet using any Sony product.

ugh, after a year, my PS3 has stopped working.

here is what happens: i turn it on, it makes the intro sound and screen says "Sony Computer Entertainment Presents" and then it goes into screensaver mode. It doesn't play any discs and doesn't show the PS3 menu. So I can't do anything.

Anyone have suggestions or do I just send it back?

ugh, after a year, my PS3 has stopped working.

here is what happens: i turn it on, it makes the intro sound and screen says "Sony Computer Entertainment Presents" and then it goes into screensaver mode. It doesn't play any discs and doesn't show the PS3 menu. So I can't do anything.

Anyone have suggestions or do I just send it back?
Have you tried to just reset the AV mode by holding the power button?

If that fails, Use the recovery menu and reload the FW or reset the unit's HDD to factory defaults (reformats the HDD). (Details in the PS3 FAQ (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14491190&postcount=2) thread).

It's probably a drive problem, but dirt may or may not be at fault. 50-55 minutes into a movie is about where the layer change would take place on a dual layer disc. So if it fails fairly consistently at that point, the drive is probably having trouble switching layers.

That's not a good or even reasonable assumption. A single layer Blu-ray disc can hold more than 2 hours of 1080p24 movie content PLUS multiple soundtracks PLUS special features. There is ZERO reason to expect a Blu-ray disc to be changing layers at 50-60 minutes into a movie. If there is a layer change at all during a Blu-ray movie, it could happen at almost any time. It all depends on how the disc was laid out for mastering (what content was placed on what layer).

Does the Netflix disc install or update the latest firmware 3.0/3.01? Does the Netflix disc even requires the newest firmware to work? I am really very hesitant to connect to the internet using any Sony product.

No, it does not install, nor require the latest firmware. For now, Netflix streaming operates from the disc required.

No, it does not install, nor require the latest firmware. For now, Netflix streaming operates from the disc required.

Thanks. I will get it a try tonight then.

Try playing Up without the fan. You may find that the fan is what makes the difference. Once you narrow this down, you may need to re-locate the PS3 or use a laptop cooling pad, etc.
That is when I had the fan blowing on the PS3 is when I was watching Up. I never had any issues during the whole movie. The next night I watched I Love You Beth Cooper and it froze up at 55 minutes into the movie, but then when watching Staten Island the player did not freeze up (did not have the fan blowing on the PS3 during the playback of Staten Island). It is all very weird. I will continue to narrow it down. I will probably do the restore tonight. Thanks for the help, really appreciate it.

Much differemce betweem the 120HD and 250HD Slim P3 other than the size of the HD?

Do people usually buy the 120 or the 250?

What to people use the extra space for?

Much differemce betweem the 120HD and 250HD Slim P3 other than the size of the HD?

Do people usually buy the 120 or the 250?

What to people use the extra space for?

Not sure the word "usually" would apply, as it was just announced for North America in mid-October, and I believe it just went on sale a few days ago.

That said the extra space could be used for movie files, pictures, music, game/BD-Live data, etc., so it depends on your intended purpose for the PS3 (outside of watching BD, of course).

I should also mention that the HD size is the only difference that I know of.

I have a couple of things to report. First, I watched Up earlier on my 40 gig PS3 and it played flawlessly. Some PS3 owners have been reporting trouble with Up on PS3s with version 3.0 or 3.01 of the firmware.

Second, I got my Netflix disc for the PS3 today and checked it out. First the bad. As has been reported by others, the NF disc has to be in the drive for he NF streaming option to work. Also, I was dismayed to see that the Timeline information on the PS3 remains blank when streaming from NF. Thus, the only way to see elapsed time is to pause the movie. That's not good.

On the plus side, I thought the PQ of the movie I used to test NF streaming on the PS3, Blindness, was somewhat better than than it was when I loaded the film on my TiVo. Bottom line, I'm probably going to live with a slight PQ hit and stick with my TiVo for NF streaming because, for the reasons spelled out above, its interface suits me better.

Hey gang, I did some reading and haven't spotted this, so I am asking: Are there any recent BD releases that have the PS3 3.0 or 3.1 FW update on them? The last firmware update I had installed was the one on UNDERWORLD 3.

Unfortunately, I need 3.0 for my French BOUND BD import to work (crashes on PAL video instead of skipping over it).

I'm unable to hook the unit up to the internet. That is a flat out impossibility for the next three to four months and I do not want to wait that long.

Suggestions?

Hey gang, I did some reading and haven't spotted this, so I am asking: Are there any recent BD releases that have the PS3 3.0 or 3.1 FW update on them? The last firmware update I had installed was the one on UNDERWORLD 3.

Unfortunately, I need 3.0 for my French BOUND BD import to work (crashes on PAL video instead of skipping over it).

I'm unable to hook the unit up to the internet. That is a flat out impossibility for the next three to four months and I do not want to wait that long.

Suggestions?

If you have a USB flash drive, you can put the firmware on it and put it in your PS3.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931796#firmware

No, it does not install, nor require the latest firmware. For now, Netflix streaming operates from the disc required.

Well, I tried the Neftlix disc today. I soon as I inserted the disc I was greeted with a message that says software must be updated. I simply removed the disc. I will wait until a new firmware is released by Sony that doesn't brick my unit.

Well, I tried the Neftlix disc today. I soon as I inserted the disc I was greeted with a message that says software must be updated. I simply removed the disc. I will wait until a new firmware is released by Sony that doesn't brick my unit.

Sorry about that. I actually forgot that I am on 3.0, hence no prompting when inserting the Netflix disc. That said, I've had no issues with 3.0, but understand how some are cautious.

Is it 3.0 or 3.01 that has been causing the problems?

Is it 3.0 or 3.01 that has been causing the problems?

Both:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/25/ps3-3-0-3-01-firmware-update-making-blu-ray-drive-unusable/

Both:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/25/ps3-3-0-3-01-firmware-update-making-blu-ray-drive-unusable/

I've already got 3.0 and everything is fine, an original 20GB model, but it's possible that 3.01 could still cause issues?

I have 3.1 on my 60G and it is working fine. Just have a question, I just tried the media center feature and try to stream some video from my pc. I able to get the divx & avi playing but not able to play mp4! However, I am able to play the same mp4 through usb. NE1 have a clue?

Kind of a dumb question...what are the advantages of streaming movies via Netflix on the PS3 versus renting movies via the Playstation Network online service (which I haven't tried yet)? I don't have a Netflix account right now, but may look into it eventually. There's only one video store in my town anymore to begin with, and that one is probably going to shutter soon anyway.

Kind of a dumb question...what are the advantages of streaming movies via Netflix on the PS3 versus renting movies via the Playstation Network online service (which I haven't tried yet)? I don't have a Netflix account right now, but may look into it eventually. There's only one video store in my town anymore to begin with, and that one is probably going to shutter soon anyway.

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I have 3.1 on my 60G and it is working fine. Just have a question, I just tried the media center feature and try to stream some video from my pc. I able to get the divx & avi playing but not able to play mp4! However, I am able to play the same mp4 through usb. NE1 have a clue?

That has more to do with the Media Center software you are using rather than the PS3 ... ie, is the software doing transcoding, does it support the codecs you are feeding it. etc.

Kind of a dumb question...what are the advantages of streaming movies via Netflix on the PS3 versus renting movies via the Playstation Network online service (which I haven't tried yet)? I don't have a Netflix account right now, but may look into it eventually. There's only one video store in my town anymore to begin with, and that one is probably going to shutter soon anyway.
When you rent movies from the Playstation Network online service you pay for them on an ala carte basis. Netflix streaming, however, is included in the price of a Netflix subscription. Netflix's primary service is renting BDs and DVDs to its customers for a fixed monthly charge. For example, I have the 2 discs at a time plan with the Blu-ray option. For that service I am charged $16.99 a month. Now, I get unlimited Netflix streaming as part of the service at no additional cost. What this means, I think, is that NF streaming is a great bonus to those of us who want to rent discs on a subscription basis but isn't something many people would consider getting from NF if they weren't also interested in renting discs.

Ala carte streaming is offered by iTunes and Amazon, among others, in addition to the Playstation network, I find that all of them are significantly overpriced and their terms of use far too restrictive. Thus, I don't rent anything on an ala carte basis anymore.

Hi I have a PS3 and I know this is a weird question but I have no more HDMI inputs and only have one DVI input left on my TV set. If I buy a HDMI to DVI will it work? I know there will be no sound and I can use the rca cables for that.

Thank you.

That has more to do with the Media Center software you are using rather than the PS3 ... ie, is the software doing transcoding, does it support the codecs you are feeding it. etc.

So you meant the media center software on the PC or on PS3? I have nothing install on my PS3 and I am running Vista premnium with the CCRC pack installed. I am sure I can play both MKV and MP4 on my PC through media player as well as MCE.

HDMI -> DVI will work (there are plenty of cables that convert, since the digital signal for video is the same), but only if your TV supports HDCP on the DVI input.

Why not get an HDMI switcher, or better yet, and HDMI-switching receiver? Do you listen to audio just through the TV speakers?

Also, this isn't really player-related, rather it is TV-related, so you probably should have asked this in the Owners Thread of the TV you own in the Displays Forums areas. Or at least ask in the PS3 thread in this sub-forum. Rather than starting a new thread - keeps the signal to noise ratio down...

shinksma

I've been thinking of getting a PS3 slim in the next couple of months. Do these issues with FW 3.0 and 3.1 turning consoles into bricks have anything to do with the newer PS3s? Or is this just older consoles that are having trouble? Anything I need to worry about as a new customer?

I have a couple of things to report. First, I watched Up earlier on my 40 gig PS3 and it played flawlessly. Some PS3 owners have been reporting trouble with Up on PS3s with version 3.0 or 3.01 of the firmware.


I just recently had my drive quit working on me.... I might have had 3.0 on there, but I couldn't tell you for sure as I turned my PS3 on VERY rarely. I updated to the latest firmware (current) hoping that might be the fix, but nada.

My PS3 had about the same use on it in the 1.5 years I have had it as a kid/teen would have on it in ~2 weeks. I still can't believe it failed.

I ordered a laser from Gadget Resurection and despite my e-mails and requested through the "notes" section of the order, they still sent me a laser with a white clip... I'm still without a fix as I will not install this laser based on reputation.

I've been thinking of getting a PS3 slim in the next couple of months. Do these issues with FW 3.0 and 3.1 turning consoles into bricks have anything to do with the newer PS3s? Or is this just older consoles that are having trouble? Anything I need to worry about as a new customer?

First of all, they don't turn the PS3's into "brick". Quite the contrary; I have the update with an older model 40gb PS3 and have absolutely no problems; plays perfect so I would expect the new one to play just as well, perhaps better.

First of all, they don't turn the PS3's into "brick". Quite the contrary; I have the update with an older model 40gb PS3 and have absolutely no problems; plays perfect so I would expect the new one to play just as well, perhaps better.
People that haven't had the failure generally will give this response... Until they have the same issue that thousands of others are having.

In addition, if you're buying a unit with the FW already in place, there is nothing to worry about.

Good add, thanks gwsat. I have a 15-22 Mbps TWC cable connection, and my real-world G speeds seem to dip below that (i.e. I usually get faster downloads on my wired machines). HD video has been hit or miss for me. I am in a multi-level house which definitely cuts my signal strength some. I have 3 WRT54G routers, 2 of which are upstairs set up as client bridges, and one as AP downstairs, everything running DD-WRT. It's especially iffy when trying to stream between the two bridges--possibly it's going from bridge to AP to bridge all over wireless, which would explain the choppy video. I'm thinking about changing over to N routers one of these days now that the N spec is out of draft.

I have the same 15-22 Mbps connection with the Buffalo G router/bridge to my PS3. Problem is that the "G" network limits throughput to around 1.5 Mbps (Buffalo claims higher with their highpower; but I'm sure it doesn't reach 3Mbps). I'm going to either "hardwire" Cat 5 or going to the "N" architecture which gets up to around 13 Mbps.

Slim 120gb, 3.1 software. UP DVD from Netflix play flawlessly. No idea about BR.

Also, the Netflix disk, while mildly annoying, isn't bad. In fact, I think the PQ is better than my Roku player.

I had noticed in the PS3 FAQ a warning about heating issues, and I see heat issues discussed here again. Are there still heat issues with the new slim models?

I have an enclosed TV stand, and I am concerned about putting the PS3 in the stand along with my hot Onkyo receiver and hot cable box. I don't have anywhere else to put it though since I have 3 young kids.

HDMI -> DVI will work (there are plenty of cables that convert, since the digital signal for video is the same), but only if your TV supports HDCP on the DVI input.

Why not get an HDMI switcher, or better yet, and HDMI-switching receiver? Do you listen to audio just through the TV speakers?

Also, this isn't really player-related, rather it is TV-related, so you probably should have asked this in the Owners Thread of the TV you own in the Displays Forums areas. Or at least ask in the PS3 thread in this sub-forum. Rather than starting a new thread - keeps the signal to noise ratio down...

shinksma

The reason I want to use the DVI input is that I can calibrate the picture for the device.

With the HDMI switchers all the devices have different colors and its hard to calibrate for four or more devices on the same input.

XBOX 360 and PS3 and my Panasonic DVD record all have different colors.

I had noticed in the PS3 FAQ a warning about heating issues, and I see heat issues discussed here again. Are there still heat issues with the new slim models?

I have an enclosed TV stand, and I am concerned about putting the PS3 in the stand along with my hot Onkyo receiver and hot cable box. I don't have anywhere else to put it though since I have 3 young kids.

All PS3 models require generous ventilation - a constant source of cool air for intake and a way to vent the exhaust so that it isn't recirculated into the PS3. The PS3 is just like any other computer in this regard.

Modern digital equipment generates a lot of heat, and enclosed installations are a bad idea. If your stand is truly enclosed, you're lucky your Onkyo isn't shutting down spontaneously. I doubt you're doing it any good, though.

When my kids were small I had my AV components installed on open shelving above their reach. If that's not possible, you may want to think about forced-air ventilation for your cabinet using muffin fans and mesh grilles to protect probing fingers.

I have a 60gig. Although it is in the open, is it true that it will run cooler if stood on it's end...acting as a chimney?

I know mine pulls in air on the side and the front and exhausts it out the rear. I have felt other models at the store and they seemed to be exhausting out the side as well.

Just recently I picked up a PS3 slim.

It's connected to my Onkyo TX-SR875 via HDMI.

The PS3 is set to bistreaming.

Now I'm trying to play the Blu-ray by The Police ("Cerifiable") but the receiver does not get a Dolby True HD feed. Upon pressing the diplay button the receiver's display reads "Dolby D 5.1." The other audio track on the Blu-ray gets played back as "Dolby D 2.0."

I only have a 5.1 spekers system connected to the receiver. Is this the reason I am not getting a True HD feed?

I'm confused... please help.

EDIT: Well, the Dolby True HD track on the disc actually is 5.1 so it cannot be due to lack of speakers. Kinda clueless on this one.

EDIT2: Firmware is 3.01 on the PS3 and the latest on the Onkyo (1.08 main and 1.02 HDMI).

EDIT3: Nevermind, I found the solution. I set the PS3 display settings to support 1080p only. Since the Police Blu-ray is 1080i, it was downmixed to 480p. This of course limits the audio transmission, too. I set the PS3 slim to support both 1080p and 1080i and now I am getting Dolby True HD bitstreamed to my AVR :D

My 40 GB PS3 finally crapped out. The freezing problems started occurring every 3 or 4 minutes instead of only 50-55 minutes in. I pretty much tried everything with no luck.

I went out and purchased a 120 GB PS3 slim. Fired up and its working (with firmware 2.85). I will eventually need to update the firmware as I understand it in order to play Modern Warfare 2. I am way to hesitant to do this though as the 3.01 firmware has these unresolved issues. You really think Sony would have released a new firmware by now addressing these issues.

My 40 GB PS3 finally crapped out. The freezing problems started occurring every 3 or 4 minutes instead of only 50-55 minutes in. I pretty much tried everything with no luck.

I went out and purchased a 120 GB PS3 slim. Fired up and its working (with firmware 2.85). I will eventually need to update the firmware as I understand it in order to play Modern Warfare 2. I am way to hesitant to do this though as the 3.01 firmware has these unresolved issues. You really think Sony would have released a new firmware by now addressing these issues.

Mine did the same thing, then stopped loading discs at all. Good luck with the new slim. I'm getting one too, but this time I'll get mine from Costco. This way, if it craps out I'll just return it.

It's ironic but Sony did do a good job when they said they wanted to make an "entertainment system" This thing has been getting soooo much use... as a blu ray player. As a gaming system it's pretty worthless.

Why do you say it's worthless as a gaming system?

Because it would be collecting dust. Well at this point, it would be a dust cover for my 360.

Please... no fanboy comments. I used to be a Sony Fanboy...

It's ironic but Sony did do a good job when they said they wanted to make an "entertainment system" This thing has been getting soooo much use... as a blu ray player. As a gaming system it's pretty worthless.
Why is that?
My primary use is for home entertainment. I love the streaming capabilities. No one is my house is really a big gamer. My daughter likes Ratchet and Clank, and Guitar Hero. She has a friend who is a gamer that comes over and uses the system. He plays several games on it such as Resistance, COD MW2, Madden etc. He has an XBox 360 at home and really likes our PS3. He says it is a bit better in the graphics area and likes the controller better.