You can't get the DTS-MA or Dolby-HD soundtracks over optical or digital coax - you need HDMI to be able to play those soundtracks.

Double check all of your settings with what is recommended in the FAQ that was linked recently if you aren't getting audio over HDMI.

so eventhough my receiver displays "HD-MA" i'm not getting it? Weird, so it's lying to me then... lol

Oh well I tried every setting on the Settings > Video and Settings > Display and Settings > Audio that I'm quite frankly tired of all this hassle these manufactures make us go through just to get different equipment to "play nice" with each other.

Has anyone hear used the PS3 with the spears and munsil contrast pattern. I can´t get anything decent out of my PS3 using this disc. This pattern in particular either totally crush the upper row of bars or the lower row.

This is taken straight from the ps3 FAQ thread in the Audio Settings section..

"Unless you have the newer "PS3 Slim" model, the PS3 will not bitstream advanced audio formats to your AVR (i.e., it can only bitstream basic Dolby Digital and DTS surround audio formats). All models of the PS3 can decode all of the Blu-ray Disc standard and optional audio formats and convert them to multichannel LPCM and pass that to your AVR via HDMI. Note however that the optical audio output from the PS3 (or any other Blu-ray Disc player), can never support the new high resolution (i.e., lossless) surround sound audio formats. Thus, to get the full advantage from the superior performance from the high resolution audio formats offered on BD, as compared to DVD, you must connect your PS3 to an AVR that has HDMI inputs. If you are using one of the orginal models of the PS3 (i.e., not the PS3 Slim) then the AVR must accept multichannel LPCM via a HDMI input (most AVRs that have HDMI inputs can do this except for a very few low-end models). If you are using the newer PS3 Slim model then it can be configured to either output the lossless audio in bitstream mode or to perform the decoding and output the lossless audio in LPCM mode via the HDMI output on the PS3. In order to use the bitstream mode on the PS3 Slim your AVR will need to both have an available HDMI input and be able to decode the lossless audio formats, including Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-Master Audio."

Whether I'm using HDMI or Optical why is it that when I select Bitstream it displays "HD-MA" on the receiver but if I change it to PCM it doesnt? It contradicts what the FAQ thread says unless I'm misinterpeting it...

And under the "PS3 Support for 3D Games and Blu-ray 3D" section it says...

"Blu-ray 3D Support: September 5, 2011 UPDATE:
Sony released firmware version 3.50 in 2010 that enabled Blu-ray 3D playback capability. This allowed the PS3 to be set to output Blu-ray 3D movies that work with the new 3DTVs (i.e., that support Frame Packing 1080p/24 3D format as defined by the HDMI 1.4a and Blu-ray 3D specifications. However, up until firmware version 3.70 was released in August 2011 the PS3, when playing Blu-ray 3D discs and outputting 3D video, was not able to also output any of the lossless audio formats (i.e., only regular Dolby Digital and DTS will be output even if the 3D disc includes Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD-MA audio tracks). The PS3 also could not support the "Blu-ray Disc-Java" enabled features when playing 3D discs. However, firmware version 3.70, added the following capabilities

3D playback of Blu-ray Java™ ("BD-J") content is now supported. You can now enjoy BD-J content recorded on Blu-ray 3D™ discs.
DTS-HD audio output is now supported while playing Blu-ray 3D™ content*. "

So I do NOT need to update to 4.0 to receive the lossless audio formats as someone replied in an earlier post.

Whether I'm using HDMI or Optical why is it that when I select Bitstream it displays "HD-MA" on the receiver but if I change it to PCM it doesnt? It contradicts what the FAQ thread says unless I'm misinterpeting it...

There is more than one place to change from Bitstream to PCM. There's the XMB settings and then there's using the 'triangle' pop-up while watching a BD.
Are your audio settings in the XMB set to output bitstream? Check that setting.

So I do NOT need to update to 4.0 to receive the lossless audio formats as someone replied in an earlier post.

Correct however it does not support HD audio from 3DBDs for True-HD audio discs.

I don't know why your AVR says that - I'm pretty sure it is a fact of the design of the cables that you cannot send the lossless audio through anything other than HDMI.

You can bitstream it via HDMI on a PS3 slim and your AVR will decode the lossless, or you can set it to LPCM and the PS3 will decode the lossless formats for you and send it out over HDMI.

I'm pretty sure it is a fact of the design of the cables that you cannot send the lossless audio through anything other than HDMI.

JOIN the 21st Century - It is the HDMI protocol and not the Cable.

That was helpful.:rolleyes:

It was more helpful than your VIOLENTLY WRONG Answer.

http://www.fitnessboard.net/images/smilies/insane.gif

A more helpful response would have been to explain what the difference is, but hey - whatever makes you feel more superior to those of us that are still learning.

There is more than one place to change from Bitstream to PCM. There's the XMB settings and then there's using the 'triangle' pop-up while watching a BD.
Are your audio settings in the XMB set to output bitstream? Check that setting.

Yes I'm changing it in the main menu. Didnt know you could change it in the menu from the triangle button

When I have it set at Bitstream(Direct) the "HD light" displays on my Marantz receiver but if I switch it to PCM it doesnt display. FYI I'm using a Marantz sr8002 receiver which does not support 1.4

I have a Marantz 7002 (little brother to the 8002, but very similar), the following is normal:

If you feed the Marantz a bit-stream signal, means the Marantz will be doing the decoding >> you will get the fancy decoder indicator lights on the Marantz panel.

If you do the decoding in the upstream device (PCM to the Marantz) - The Marantz decoding indicators become inactive.

Hope that helps out a bit.

I have a Marantz 7002 (little brother to the 8002, but very similar), the following is normal:

If you feed the Marantz a bit-stream signal, means the Marantz will be doing the decoding >> you will get the fancy decoder indicator lights on the Marantz panel.

If you do the decoding in the upstream device (PCM to the Marantz) - The Marantz decoding indicators become inactive.

Hope that helps out a bit.

Oh ok well I'd rather have the Marantz doing the decoding anyways unless there's really no difference? I guess it would make sense to let my ps3 focus on the video and let my receiver do the work on the audio... Can you tell a difference in sound with yours from HDMI to Optical?

Can you tell a difference in sound with yours from HDMI to Optical?


The difference is, if you use HDMI you'll be able to use DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD (uncompressed, lossless tracks). If you use optical you won't. Optical does not have the bandwidth to accommodate those uncompressed tracks.

If you want your receiver to do the decoding, connect with HDMI and set the PS3 to bitstream.

If you connect using optical you will only get standard Dolby Digital and DTS.

This is not speculation. It is fact.

If you want your receiver to do the decoding, connect with HDMI and set the PS3 to bitstream.

That is ONLY TRUE for the SLIM PS3.

The Fat PS3 is the other way around - decode to LPCM in the PS3.
DO NOT BITSTREAM

If you want your receiver to do the decoding, connect with HDMI and set the PS3 to bitstream.

So does this mean that you can still get Dolby TrueHD when using a PS3, as long as your receiver supports it?...since the receiver is the one doing the decoding, and not the PS3? :confused:

So does this mean that you can still get Dolby TrueHD when using a PS3, as long as your receiver supports it?...since the receiver is the one doing the decoding, and not the PS3? :confused:

The PS3 can send both DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD on standard Blu-ray discs only.

If you are referring to 3D discs, the answer is no.

As it currently stands the PS3 can only send DTS-HD MA where 3D Blu-rays are concerned. If the 3D movie happens to have a TrueHD track, it will default to standard Dolby Digital. There is speculation that this may be addressed in a future firmware update. After all, there was a time the PS3 couldn't do DTS-HD MA and 3D at the same time and that was fixed with a firmware update. As far as I know, the 3D movies with DTS-HD MA tracks outnumber the 3D discs with TrueHD tracks so the issue is not as big as it seems. Still, it'll be nice if they can fix it.

Now, back to standard (non 3D) discs...

Even if your receiver does not support DTS-HD MA or TrueHD you can still get uncompressed audio IF the receiver has HDMI in. If it does, all you need to do is have the PS3 do the audio decoding internally, by setting it to output PCM (instead of bitstream). That way the PS3 will send the decoded, uncompressed audio to the receiver. The end result will be the same.

NOTE
Though this has been said many times before I'll mention it again. ONLY the slim PS3 can output bitstream audio. If you have the fat (or phat as people like to call it) PS3 you'll have no choice but to have the PS3 do the decoding internally. Again, the end result is the same.

The PS3 can send both DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD on standard Blu-ray discs only.

If you are referring to 3D discs, the answer is no.

As it currently stands the PS3 can only send DTS-HD MA where 3D Blu-rays are concerned. If the 3D movie happens to have a TrueHD track, it will default to standard Dolby Digital. There is speculation that this may be addressed in a future firmware update. After all, there was a time the PS3 couldn't do DTS-HD MA and 3D at the same time and that was fixed with a firmware update. As far as I know, the 3D movies with DTS-HD MA tracks outnumber the 3D discs with TrueHD tracks so the issue is not as big as it seems. Still, it'll be nice if they can fix it.

Now, back to standard (non 3D) discs...

Even if your receiver does not support DTS-HD MA or TrueHD you can still get uncompressed audio IF the receiver has HDMI in. If it does, all you need to do is have the PS3 do the audio decoding internally, by setting it to output PCM (instead of bitstream). That way the PS3 will send the decoded, uncompressed audio to the receiver. The end result will be the same.

NOTE
Though this has been said many times before I'll mention it again. ONLY the slim PS3 can output bitstream audio. If you have the fat (or phat as people like to call it) PS3 you'll have no choice but to to have the PS3 do the decoding internally. Again, the end result is the same.

That was kick-ass post man...very easy to understand, and informative. Thanks a ton for answering!! ::thumbsup::

That was kick-ass post man...very easy to understand, and informative. Thanks a ton for answering!! ::thumbsup::

I'm glad you approve. And glad that it helped. :)

Has anyone hear used the PS3 with the spears and munsil contrast pattern. I can´t get anything decent out of my PS3 using this disc. This pattern in particular either totally crush the upper row of bars or the lower row.

Love to see a reply to this post, sort of having the same issues.

That was kick-ass post man...very easy to understand, and informative. Thanks a ton for answering!! ::thumbsup::

i am suddenly having issues with my PS3 outputting DTS HD Master Audio bitstreamed to my receiver (receiver will only show it as DTS now). All of the codecs are checked in the audio options, and i am not playing 3d discs when it happens (i have a samsung BD player and confirmed that the same discs i am just seeing "DTS" on my receiver via the PS3 are DTS HD from the other player).

anyone have any ideas about what might have happened?

Has anyone hear used the PS3 with the spears and munsil contrast pattern. I can´t get anything decent out of my PS3 using this disc. This pattern in particular either totally crush the upper row of bars or the lower row.

Check to be sure you are utilizing YCbCr with super white "on" and
at video levels. The ps3 has a long time bug with
RGB that clips below black and if you are set for
PC levels (so called "expanded" rather than "video" or
"limited") it will also clip above white info.

Assuming all of that is corrected, then I'd say adjust
the brightness/contrast settings on the display. Overly done
contrast will crush whites while setting the brightness
setting too low will crush black.

Replacing the blu ray laser

I have an 80gb MGS bundle unit. I got the laser replaced a year ago after it progressively failed over the course of a few months. It failed again after about 9 months of use. I spent $70 on a cheap br player rather than sink more money into the ps3 or buy a new slim.

Now im missing the ps3. I prefer the interface for BR and netflix, and i'd like the option to play games.

So, has anyone replaced the blu laser more than once, or does anyone see the value of replacing the laser again over saving up for a slim?

I have a newborn stealing my sleep and could use some clear thought, untainted by sleep deprivation.

Thanks

I have a newborn stealing my sleep and could use some clear thought, untainted by sleep deprivation.

Thanks

I own (3) Fat PS3s. Thank GOD - they are all fine..

Replacing the laser is pretty easy and there are
instructions all over the net.

With that said - I would op for the SLIM option.

I own (3) Fat PS3s. Thank GOD - they are all fine..

Replacing the laser is pretty easy and there are
instructions all over the net.

With that said - I would op for the SLIM option.

Thanks.

Found a guy on ebay and watched him replace it last time, so i think im good with the procedure.

I covet the quiet fan and hopeful reliability of the slim, though.

I covet the quiet fan and hopeful reliability of the slim, though.

My Point Exactly :)

My Point Exactly :)

Alright. Time to start preparing my ppt for the finance committee.

Thanks!

Hi,

I have PS3 hooked up to my newly purchased 3D HDTV, but since I am yet to purchase a 3D AV reciever I have it connected via OPTICAL.

Question: Is it possible to BITSTREAM DTS-HD MA and TrueHD audio from the PS3 via optical connection???

If so, how?

Thanks for your response.

Hi,

I have PS3 hooked up to my newly purchased 3D HDTV, but since I am yet to purchase a 3D AV reciever I have it connected via OPTICAL.

Question: Is it possible to BITSTREAM DTS-HD MA and TrueHD audio from the PS3 via optical connection???

If so, how?

Thanks for your response.

It's only possible thru HDMI and on Uncompressed for the Fat Ps3. Slim ps3 can do Bitstream and Uncompressed thru HDMI, that way you can get HD audio.

Hi,

I have PS3 hooked up to my newly purchased 3D HDTV, but since I am yet to purchase a 3D AV reciever I have it connected via OPTICAL.

Question: Is it possible to BITSTREAM DTS-HD MA and TrueHD audio from the PS3 via optical connection???

If so, how?

Thanks for your response.

No. It's not possible. Optical does not have the bandwidth to carry the HD audio tracks. It has to be HDMI.

I posted more about this a few days ago. See posts :
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21522927#post21522927

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21523436#post21523436

No. It's not possible. Optical does not have the bandwidth to carry the HD audio tracks. It has to be HDMI. See posts #31515 and #31518 on this page.

umm - if i remember, the Slim PS3 CAN bitstream all the HD Audio codecs but no TrueHD audio for 3D BDs.

umm - if i remember, the Slim PS3 CAN bitstream all the HD Audio codecs but no TrueHD audio for 3D BDs.

Not over OPTICAL only over HDMI.

Not over OPTICAL only over HDMI.

Got it. I've confused myself too many times due to the question being posed so many times!

umm - if i remember, the Slim PS3 CAN bitstream all the HD Audio codecs but no TrueHD audio for 3D BDs.

That's not what he asked. He asked if it can bitstream DTS-HD and TrueHD over OPTICAL and it can't.

EDIT:
Thanks Aaron. You beat me to it. :D

... also worth noting that no device can bitstream HD audio over optical, not just the PS3.

... also worth noting that no device can bitstream HD audio over optical, not just the PS3.

Which is exactly why I said:

"Optical does not have the bandwidth to carry the HD audio tracks." ;)

Which is exactly why I said:

"Optical does not have the bandwidth to carry the HD audio tracks." ;)

It's not so much the bandwidth, since optical can do 24bit/-192kHz LPCM 2.0. The S/PDIF standard was just never updated to handle DTS-MA or TrueHD.

It's not so much the bandwidth, since optical can do 24bit/-192kHz LPCM 2.0. The S/PDIF standard was just never updated to handle DTS-MA or TrueHD.

True enough. A poor choice of words on my part. For anyone who wants a bit more detail, this is a pretty good article:

http://solidlystated.com/hardware/hd-audio-over-optical-cables-for-ps3-or-blu-ray/

Thanks for the link.

just lost my 60gb to the red blinking light; is it a better idea just to get a replacement unit for $99 and restore a backup from the old system? the only ps2 games i play are MGS, legacy of kain and FF-X. i use it as my primary bluray player(samsung bdp-1400 is my backup) is it worth getting a slim referb.

just lost my 60gb to the red blinking light; is it a better idea just to get a replacement unit for $99 and restore a backup from the old system? the only ps2 games i play are MGS, legacy of kain and FF-X. i use it as my primary bluray player(samsung bdp-1400 is my backup) is it worth getting a slim referb.

When my A01 60GB gave up the ghost, it was overdue---it was of the batch of very first released---and never really worked exactly right. It had trouble holding an internet connection, trouble downloading updates (usually had to download them from the PS3 website to a flash drive and do it manually), and then after updates, the auto reboot would hang and I would have to start it in safe mode just to get it to run again. The final straw was when it wouldn't load regular DVDs and PS2 games.

So I called Sony and got the $99 trade in. Although they say the replacements (Slim 160GB 2401's) are refurbs, the one I got appeared to be brand spanking new with all of the protective sticky plastic stuff that you have to peel off still in place. I have to say, it's the best deal around for 99 bucks---it works perfectly and has done away with all my frustrations with the old one--the turnaround was only about a week, though they say 2 weeks. The rep almost shed a tear to offer to take the A01 back---he seemed genuinely upset and said he hates to see the grandaddy of them all crash and burn, because they (the first 2 models) had EVERYTHING in one package. But anyway, I just went on eBay and bought a used PS2 SCPH-50001 complete with DVD remote, network adapter, 64MB memory card, 2 wired controllers and 1 wireless controller for 60 bucks shipped for my huge library of PS2 games. The 50001 was the last of the "fat" models, and is the only fat model that has the progressive scan option for DVDs. Gotta say for $60, it's just as good as any upscaling DVD player I've seen. Usually if you can get a 480p signal through component cables to any worthwhile HDTV, the TV can upscale to signal to HD if it has any kind of decent scaler built into it.

So, I'd say go for it. Well worth the $160 total it cost me to trade it in---

Let us know what you decide to do----

Not getting dts all the time on blu-rays. I have a new ps3 slim with audio connected to an older receiver that supports dts, i set output to optical and check all the formats and set the ps3 to bitsream the audio. while some movies downmix the audio automatically to dts some only output in 5.1 dolby. when that happens i have to go to the optical settings and uncheck 5.1 and then i get a dts downmix. Is this normal?

How do I set my PS3 Slim to do uncompressed pcm and send to my pioneer VSX-921-K??

The darn thing will not display TrueHD tracks via bitstream...:(

I probably should have stuck with an Onkyo.

Please help.

How do I set my PS3 Slim to do uncompressed pcm and send to my pioneer VSX-921-K??

The darn thing will not display TrueHD tracks via bitstream...:(

I probably should have stuck with an Onkyo.

Please help.

Wait are you using HDMI? Because thats the only way it will bitstream. If it's hooked up using HDMI then it should be bitstreaming. Or are we talking 3D? Right now the PS3 slim only can bitstream DTS-HD-MA during 3D play. Im sure one day in the future that will be fixed too. I have that same receiver and im not having any problems.

The PS3 can send both DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD on standard Blu-ray discs only.

If you are referring to 3D discs, the answer is no.

As it currently stands the PS3 can only send DTS-HD MA where 3D Blu-rays are concerned. If the 3D movie happens to have a TrueHD track, it will default to standard Dolby Digital. There is speculation that this may be addressed in a future firmware update. After all, there was a time the PS3 couldn't do DTS-HD MA and 3D at the same time and that was fixed with a firmware update. As far as I know, the 3D movies with DTS-HD MA tracks outnumber the 3D discs with TrueHD tracks so the issue is not as big as it seems. Still, it'll be nice if they can fix it.

Now, back to standard (non 3D) discs...

Even if your receiver does not support DTS-HD MA or TrueHD you can still get uncompressed audio IF the receiver has HDMI in. If it does, all you need to do is have the PS3 do the audio decoding internally, by setting it to output PCM (instead of bitstream). That way the PS3 will send the decoded, uncompressed audio to the receiver. The end result will be the same.

NOTE
Though this has been said many times before I'll mention it again. ONLY the slim PS3 can output bitstream audio. If you have the fat (or phat as people like to call it) PS3 you'll have no choice but to have the PS3 do the decoding internally. Again, the end result is the same.

You are the dude!:)

Thanks for this post, I am very grateful.

Wait are you using HDMI? Because thats the only way it will bitstream. If it's hooked up using HDMI then it should be bitstreaming. Or are we talking 3D? Right now the PS3 slim only can bitstream DTS-HD-MA during 3D play. Im sure one day in the future that will be fixed too. I have that same receiver and im not having any problems.

Yes I am using HDMI, and yes I am playing 3D BDs.
As I read in another post, if I set my output to PCM that should fix my problem.

Hi, I have a rather dumb question:
I went to delete the Blu-Ray Data Utility folder and it would say it deleted but it would still be there. It emptied The folder though which is pretty much all I wanted. Anyway, I'm just concerned that by "deleting" it, my PS3 may be adversely effected. I have had issues with settings before so I'm just wondering if "deleting" it would mess up some of my settings or hurt the PS3. I probably sound crazy, but I'd really like to have my mind put to ease or fix something if need be.

Bit streaming on ps3 slim The Dark Knight Bluray to yamaha a3000 firmware 4.0

Hit info to show decoder and shows Dolby Digital NOT TrueHD

Hit select on the ps3 to get the pop up menu and shows multi channel

Was watching Stones BluRay and display showed DTSHD 5.1

What gives?

Bit streaming on ps3 slim The Dark Knight Bluray to yamaha a3000 firmware 4.0

Hit info to show decoder and shows Dolby Digital NOT TrueHD

Hit select on the ps3 to get the pop up menu and shows multi channel

Was watching Stones BluRay and display showed DTSHD 5.1

What gives?

Some Warner releases you have to go into the Blu ray Menu and put it to DD HD. They come already set to Dolby Digital you just have to switch it.

I'm sure a lot of you guys have your whole house networked together like I do through a router with media sharing enabled.

My PS3 picks up my DirecTV receiver DVR recordings on the shared network media server---but when I try to play them through the PS3, the console gives me an error message that a special codec is needed to play them.

Does anyone know what this codec is and how it can be found, loaded and enabled?

Thanks

Does anyone know what this codec is and how it can be found, loaded and enabled?

Thanks

Directv proprietary stuff. Has never been broken as far as I know.

Directv proprietary stuff. Has never been broken as far as I know.

Thanks Slim---sure was hoping there was a way---

Bit streaming on ps3 slim The Dark Knight Bluray to yamaha a3000 firmware 4.0

Hit info to show decoder and shows Dolby Digital NOT TrueHD

Hit select on the ps3 to get the pop up menu and shows multi channel

Was watching Stones BluRay and display showed DTSHD 5.1

What gives?

Ocielz is right. Dark Knight is definitely one of the Warner titles in which the default audio track is standard Dolby Digital. For TrueHD, go to the discs pop up menu and choose the TrueHD option. Off the top of my head I know the same applies for Batman Begins and all of the Matrix movies.

You are the dude!:)

Thanks for this post, I am very grateful.

Happy to help if I can. :)

Yes I am using HDMI, and yes I am playing 3D BDs.
As I read in another post, if I set my output to PCM that should fix my problem.

If it's my post you are referring to, I have to say, I don't know how that will work with 3D. In the other post I talked about setting the output to PCM rather than bitstream if you:

A. have a receiver that doesn't decode HD tracks but does have HDMI in.

or

B. if you have a fat PS3 in which you have no other choice.

Both options were in reference to playback of standard 2D discs only.

No matter what PS3 you have (fat or slim) if you playback a 3D disc with a TrueHD track and you set the PS3 to output PCM I don't know for sure what the results will be. If I had to guess, I would think that you would get the 3D video but that the audio would end up PCM 2.0 not 5.1 uncompressed since the PS3 can't do TrueHD and 3D at the same time.

If you tried it I guess you'll have to let us know what happened.

Hi, I have a rather dumb question:
I went to delete the Blu-Ray Data Utility folder and it would say it deleted but it would still be there. It emptied The folder though which is pretty much all I wanted. Anyway, I'm just concerned that by "deleting" it, my PS3 may be adversely effected. I have had issues with settings before so I'm just wondering if "deleting" it would mess up some of my settings or hurt the PS3. I probably sound crazy, but I'd really like to have my mind put to ease or fix something if need be.

There's no reason that I know of to delete the folder. If there's stuff in it you don't need or want on your PS3, just delete those items and empty the folder, but leave the folder where it is.

Old fatty sounded better due to SACD circuitry built in imho

I am running a PS3 Fat to a Sony soundbar (HTCT550) and then a Bravia (52' LCD). SHould I upgrade all my hdmi cables to high speed? Btw is it worth it for my cable box as well?

I am running a PS3 Fat to a Sony soundbar (HTCT550) and then a Bravia (52' LCD). SHould I upgrade all my hdmi cables to high speed? Btw is it worth it for my cable box as well?

What are you trying to accomplish that you are not currently getting?

I am running a PS3 Fat to a Sony soundbar (HTCT550) and then a Bravia (52' LCD). SHould I upgrade all my hdmi cables to high speed? Btw is it worth it for my cable box as well?

Unless you are not able to pass 3D, there probably isn't any reason to do so... but if you did it isn't that expensive to do since you can get High Speed cables up to 10 ft long for under $5 each.

If you are getting an image and sound, there isn't really any good reason to spend the money though.

What are you trying to accomplish that you are not currently getting?

Everything is really looking and sounding good. I was thinking high speed hdmi cables would enhance pq and sound quality? Is this true? I heard that fat Ps3 has older hdmi ports , so not sure if this will make a difference or not. I just got my sony soundbar and am totally blown away with bd video and audio

Everything is really looking and sounding good. I was thinking high speed hdmi cables would enhance pq and sound quality? Is this true? I heard that fat Ps3 has older hdmi ports , so not sure if this will make a difference or not. I just got my sony soundbar and am totally blown away with bd video and audio

No, no quality increase with current BluRay specs. Unless your cable runs are over 20', don't worry about it.

Really appreciate the feedback.

Another quick question, with my current set-up(see above) do you think it would be worth upgrading to a Pioneer 52fd for increased PQ and sound quality. (got it open box at bb for 315)? It seems like the more i read online, the PS3 is really a good BD player after all. I had originally thought about getting a stand-alone, but it seems like to really notice a difference you need to get in the $500 or more category. I think would wait till I can get a whole new home theater set up for this

Really appreciate the feedback.

Another quick question, with my current set-up(see above) do you think it would be worth upgrading to a Pioneer 52fd for increased PQ and sound quality. (got it open box at bb for 315)? It seems like the more i read online, the PS3 is really a good BD player after all. I had originally thought about getting a stand-alone, but it seems like to really notice a difference you need to get in the $500 or more category. I think would wait till I can get a whole new home theater set up for this

For all intents and purposes, Blu Ray PQ is indistinguishable between players. Most people don't even calibrate their TVs so it is even more indistinguishable. That being said, in terms of cost + versatility + features, the PS3 is the best Blu Ray player deal on the market.

Now, quality with upscaled DVDs CAN vary between players.

I would pay the extra money towards getting your TV calibrated by an ISF pro instead of spending $500 on a blu ray player.

For all intensive purposes,

"Intents and purposes."

Forgive me. It's a pet peeve, a hot button, an itch I have to scratch. The phrase is "For all intents and purposes."

http://www.word-detective.com/2009/01/16/intensive-purposes/

"Intents and purposes."

Forgive me. It's a pet peeve, a hot button, an itch I have to scratch. The phrase is "For all intents and purposes."

http://www.word-detective.com/2009/01/16/intensive-purposes/

If you didn't do it I would have. ;)

"Intents and purposes."

Forgive me. It's a pet peeve, a hot button, an itch I have to scratch. The phrase is "For all intents and purposes."

http://www.word-detective.com/2009/01/16/intensive-purposes/

I'm sure we all have our language peeves.
I go crazy when "of" is used as a verb (because it sounds like "have").
e.g. "I should of" instead of "I should have".
Also the use of i.e. when e.g. is intended ("for example").

But these forums are not about language, so I try not to say anything. And I know my language skills are not perfect either.

I'm sure we all have our language peeves.
I go crazy when "of" is used as a verb (because it sounds like "have").
e.g. "I should of" instead of "I should have".
Also the use of i.e. when e.g. is intended ("for example").

But these forums are not about language, so I try not to say anything. And I know my language skills are not perfect either.

FWIW both i.e. and e.g. are both proper english and come from latin words.

Just saying.....


:-)

(hoping this is the best place for this question)
Recently got an Optoma 3300 from AV Science. Got it hooked up to my PS3 and going through the video setup I was asked the screen size. I put the info in and went on my way.

Now that I'm all set up I'm fiddling more with settings and I was wondering what a different size (which I assume affects convergence) would do. I went extreme and tried 10" and 200". With both sizes there was literally no change in 3D blu-ray or 3D games.

I have not been able to find much information on this. I think I found one post somewhere from over a year ago claiming a Sony tech said that you have to reset the whole system to change the size. This seems extreme to me. I did try shutting down the PS3 between changes but I haven't gone further than that.

Does anyone have more information on how this setting works and how to change it?

I have my fat 60GB PS3 hooked up via HDMI to a Pioneer 1120K AVR. It is set up to output linear PCM audio.

When I watch BDs, I'll get full surround and the AVR will show "PCM" in the display. It's been a while but I recently tried watching a DVD with a Dolby 5.1 track and noticed that only the 2 front speakers had sound. Also, the AVR showed "Stereo", which is exactly what was being output. That same DVD (Real Steel, if that matters) was played on an old DVD player hooked up to the same AVR (audio output via optical connection) and sound was coming out of all 5 speakers. The AVR also correctly showed "Dolby" on the display.

What settings am I missing on the PS3? I have the audio types on the PS3 set to auto-detect and it's outputting linear PCM through HDMI.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I tried searching but it doesn't seem like anyone has this problem, unless I missed it (I've seen no output whatsoever, connections using optical, etc.).

someone refresh my memory please.... Using an older fat ps3, do I get better sound with PCM or Bitstream using Optical?

Another thing, I have to output PCM to get the DTS HD audio from HDMI correct?
(I know it can't do Dolby HD currently and my ps3 is updated above 3.70 to be able to at least get this)

someone refresh my memory please.... Using an older fat ps3, do I get better sound with PCM or Bitstream using Optical?

Another thing, I have to output PCM to get the DTS HD audio from HDMI correct?
(I know it can't do Dolby HD currently and my ps3 is updated above 3.70 to be able to at least get this)

I don't know about using Optical. With HDMI and on PCM its the only way to get DTS-HD and Dolby High Def sound.

someone refresh my memory please.... Using an older fat ps3, do I get better sound with PCM or Bitstream using Optical?

Another thing, I have to output PCM to get the DTS HD audio from HDMI correct?
(I know it can't do Dolby HD currently and my ps3 is updated above 3.70 to be able to at least get this)

All your ANSWERS are in the FAQ Thread - CLICK HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931796)

All your ANSWERS are in the FAQ Thread - CLICK HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931796)

too much work :D

it's ony been covered hundreds of times - if not more. So what's one more to keep it fresh.....

too much work :D

it's ony been covered hundreds of times - if not more. So what's one more to keep it fresh.....

YOU ONLY have to READ ONE POST :rolleyes:

YOU ONLY have to READ ONE POST :rolleyes:

I've read it and other threads but couldn't find the answer to my question. Any ideas?

YOU ONLY have to READ ONE POST :rolleyes:

which post is that?

FWIW both i.e. and e.g. are both proper english and come from latin words.

Just saying.....


:-)

I know we're way OT here, but yes, you are right that both are abbreviations from Latin.
i.e. (id est) means "that is"
e.g. (exempli gratia) is "for example"

My point is that some people use i.e. when they should be using e.g.
And I know I'm making a mountain out of a molehill.

which post is that?

I guess I made it TOO HARD for you with a LINK :(

I guess I made it TOO HARD for you with a LINK :(

that's a pretty big link you got there... someone could get lost in that :eek:

haha FYI I've read the FAQ thread before but I was just hoping for a quick answer but hey, I guess this is a good way to build my post count going back and forth like this :rolleyes:

the time and effort it took for us to be smart @$$es either:
1. I could have looked it up and found the answer myself (which I did and it took like a whole minute)
2. You could have just replied "Blank" which would have took a LOT less time and effort than multiposting, creating useful links to help me find the answer, etc...

But I'm not giving up now, I'm not gonna go away until you tell me :D

"Intents and purposes."

Forgive me. It's a pet peeve, a hot button, an itch I have to scratch. The phrase is "For all intents and purposes."

http://www.word-detective.com/2009/01/16/intensive-purposes/

Thanks for the pointer. As someone who is college educated and a business professional, I have my pet peeves as well (their, there, they're, etc.). I chalk it up to iPhone typing.

But, I try not to make it a point to correct people in public forums as it is just as big a pet peeve, to me. I understand many of us are typing quickly or on mobile devices that tend to auto-correct. Also, many people are on these forums and English is not their main language. Who am I to judge?

Now, if I am reviewing resumes, that is another story as I would hope someone took the time to proofread.

Spelling, grammar, conjugation, etc has become a huge problem in this country.

If you or I am doing something wrong, we need to know it and correct it. That's learning, and knowledge is power.

That's my take, and I'm sticking to it.

Oh yeah, how about that PS3!

Spelling, grammar, conjugation, etc has become a huge problem in this country.

If you or I am doing something wrong, we need to know it and correct it. That's learning, and knowledge is power.

That's my take, and I'm sticking to it.

Oh yeah, how about that PS3!

True dat. It is ironic that "Macdaddy" is correcting spelling, grammar and conjugation!

Spelling, grammar, conjugation, etc has become a huge problem in this country.

If you or I am doing something wrong, we need to know it and correct it. That's learning, and knowledge is power.

That's my take, and I'm sticking to it.

Oh yeah, how about that PS3!

True dat. It is ironic that "Macdaddy" is correcting spelling, grammar and conjugation!


Maybe my point was lost, but I agree in a sense. My point is if you were TRULY concerned with letting someone know they made an error, you may want to do it via PM instead of standing up in the middle of a crowded room and say "Look at the dummy!!"

If I called out one of my engineers for making a simple mistake in a group meeting, it would be very poor etiquette. It is much more effective to pull them aside and point out the error for them to correct.

Otherwise, it would just be me grandstanding.

Anyway...back on topic!

Does anyone know if, and when there will be an update for the PS3 slim to enable TrueHD via bitstream on 3D blu-rays???

I am really getting fraustrated over this.

If I called out one of my engineers for making a simple mistake in a group meeting, it would be very poor etiquette. It is much more effective to pull them aside and point out the error for them to correct.

a) Unlike your meeting, this is not a professional business environment where the rules are more stringent and the stakes are higher.

b) In cases where someone repeats a "common usage" error, making the correction public is IMO a public service. "Intensive purposes" comes from people having mis-heard the source phrase without having consciously heard it used correctly, like "doggy dog world." People say things in their head they way they hear them spoken, and then try to write what they heard. Pointing these things out is not a personal indictment, it's an attempt to "raise all boats."

c) If anyone was offended, I'm sorry. No offense was intended. 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy.

a) Unlike your meeting, this is not a professional business environment where the rules are more stringent and the stakes are higher.

b) In cases where someone repeats a "common usage" error, making the correction public is IMO a public service. "Intensive purposes" comes from people having mis-heard the source phrase without having consciously heard it used correctly, like "doggy dog world." People say things in their head they way they hear them spoken, and then try to write what they heard. Pointing these things out is not a personal indictment, it's an attempt to "raise all boats."

c) If anyone was offended, I'm sorry. No offense was intended. 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy.

Appreciate your point of view and I am not offended in the least, but I disagree with you so it may just be an "agree to disagree" situation.
To a few of your points:

a) No, but an internet forum is not an English classroom, either. And you must account for people typing quickly with little proofreading.

b) I agree with most of this, except the last sentence. I disagree that a science forum is the best place for a public grammar crusade. While you may feel you are helping the person and the cause, it can come across as pretentious. A simple PM to that person, allowing them the option to correct the error, would probably reflect more positively on your cause.

c) Non taken. I just think it is a matter of etiquette. :)

My apologies, I would have put this in a PM, where it belongs, but that option appears disabled.

More on topic, I am looking at moving from an old “fat” 80gb PS3 and getting a Slim. Are there any other differences in Blu Ray playback other than the bitstreaming of HD codecs?

a) Unlike your meeting, this is not a professional business environment where the rules are more stringent and the stakes are higher.

b) In cases where someone repeats a "common usage" error, making the correction public is IMO a public service. "Intensive purposes" comes from people having mis-heard the source phrase without having consciously heard it used correctly, like "doggy dog world." People say things in their head they way they hear them spoken, and then try to write what they heard. Pointing these things out is not a personal indictment, it's an attempt to "raise all boats."

c) If anyone was offended, I'm sorry. No offense was intended. 'Scuse me while I kiss this guy.
Appreciate your point of view and I am not offended in the least, but I disagree with you so it may just be an "agree to disagree" situation.
To a few of your points:

a) No, but an internet forum is not an English classroom, either. And you must account for people typing quickly with little proofreading.

b) I agree with most of this, except the last sentence. I disagree that a science forum is the best place for a public grammar crusade. While you may feel you are helping the person and the cause, it can come across as pretentious. A simple PM to that person, allowing them the option to correct the error, would probably reflect more positively on your cause.

c) Non taken. I just think it is a matter of etiquette. :)

My apologies, I would have put this in a PM, where it belongs, but that option appears disabled.

More on topic, I am looking at moving from an old “fat” 80gb PS3 and getting a Slim. Are there any other differences in Blu Ray playback other than the bitstreaming of HD codecs?
I post to commend both of you for the courtesy of your posts, especially here, where rancor is sometimes raised to an art form.:)

I know rdclark to be a courteous fellow but, in the interests of full disclosure, feel constrained to confess that I agree with Rob67's point. It seems to me that correcting grammar errors in a public forum should be avoided most of the time because unsolicited advice ordinarily does no good and, worse, often engenders misunderstandings.

To get back on topic for a moment, I have had my 60 Gb PS3 Fat for nearly four years and it is still going strong. I probably will replace it with a Slim when it finally dies despite the proliferation of BD players that are both reasonably priced and work very well.

does anyone know if, and when there will be an update for the ps3 slim to enable truehd via bitstream on 3d blu-rays???

i am really getting fraustrated over this.

+1

There I was fraustrated that my PS3 slim could not bitstream TrueHD tracks while playing a 3D Blu-ray disc...
So I figured that at least while playing 3D BDs I could at least just let the player decode it.

Now I find out that it cannot internally process TrueHD and sent it to my reciever as uncompressed PCM??? :eek:

This means I can't enjoy Transformers, Shrek 1-4, Kung-Fu Panda...etc. in 3D!!!

And the straw that broke the camel's back: It is not HDMI 1.4 compliant??? :o

I am afraid but this thing might be going on Ebay today.

Uncompressed multichannel PCM is what you get after decoding compressed lossless audio. I don't understand the problem.

Both the Fat and Slim PS3 are HDMI 1.4 compliant for 3D purposes. Both the Fat and Slim PS3 have the same PCM capabilities. The Slim PS3 can process bitstream through HDMI while the Fat cannot. As of now Dolby HD cannot be processed while the PS3 is processing a 3D Blu-ray movie. Considering when the PS3 was released I am pleased it can do 3D and DTS HD in the 3D mode. Sony may yet figure out how to do Dolby HD in the 3D mode on the PS3 but nothing has been announced.

Now I find out that it cannot internally process TrueHD and sent it to my reciever as uncompressed PCM???

Yes, it can but with standard 2D Blu-ray discs only. Not 3D discs. I mentioned that here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21601695#post21601695

Both the Fat and Slim PS3 are HDMI 1.4 compliant for 3D purposes. Both the Fat and Slim PS3 have the same PCM capabilities. The Slim PS3 can process bitstream through HDMI while the Fat cannot. As of now Dolby HD cannot be processed while the PS3 is processing a 3D Blu-ray movie. Considering when the PS3 was released I am pleased it can do 3D and DTS HD in the 3D mode. Sony may yet figure out how to do Dolby HD in the 3D mode on the PS3 but nothing has been announced.

We need this added to the first post of the thread in bold red flashing letters... This gets asked at least once or twice a week...

My daughter and son in law have 3D capability in their home theater setup and I have been pretty underwhelmed when I have watched 3D BDs there. In fact, most of the 3D I have seen in the theater hasn't been much more impressive. Thus despite my tendency to be an early adopter of new technology, I have not bought a 3D display so my four year old PS3 Fat remains all I need. Seeing the frustration of those of you who are suffering the pain of not being able to hear TrueHD soundtracks on 3D BDs, just this once I am pleased to be a Philistine.:)

DO NOT UPGRADE!!! I just did and can no longer connect to the internet.


UPDATE: had to turn off the PS3, unplug my router, plug the router back in, and turn the PS3 back on.

DO NOT UPGRADE!!! I just did and can no longer connect to the internet.Thanks for the heads-up. Let's see what experiences others are having.

Thanks for the heads-up. Let's see what experiences others are having.

i can connect, but i have noticed it sign me out of the PSN network quite a bit like it doesn't want to keep the connection.

i can connect, but i have noticed it sign me out of the PSN network quite a bit like it doesn't want to keep the connection.

Has anyone tried Youtube?? Heard it was supposed to play nicer with that site after the update. I will have to try it when I get home.

I tried to watch Netflix today. My first session worked great. When I finished Episode 1 of 5th Gear and started Episode 2 the PS3 loaded about 15% of the program and locked up. I could not do anything and had to unplug and replug the PS3 to restart. I had seen a message that I needed to update to 4.10 so I did. I then laoded Episode 2 and it played to completion. Netflix prompted me to watch Episode 3 so I said OK. But then it froze again at about the same point. I plugged/unplugged and loaded a different selection, this time a movie. It loaded all the way to the end of the graph and locked up again. No keys would work; only unplug/replug. Lock up doesn't seem to be influenced by my upgrade to 4.10 as it did it beforehand.

Any ideas, thoughts? Is there a realtime tech support for the PS3 that I should go to?

I have had no problem connecting to the internet after the update, but connecting to the PSN is still sucky.

I have the 60g phat model and did the upgrade with no problems. Still connecting and everything else works fine:)

Had to bring my AVR in for repair, and had to hook up my PS3 slim directly to my TV via HDMI.
Tried to play a Blu Ray with only a DTS-HD track. No choice for Dolby Digital 5.1 on the disc.
Cant get the Audio to play correctly thru the TV. Movie opens up and can hear the intro music, but nothing when the actors are speaking-NADA!
Tried to set some diff settings on the PS3 audio output, didn't work.
Any way to hear a DTS-HD track correctly thru the TV?

Had to bring my AVR in for repair, and had to hook up my PS3 slim directly to my TV via HDMI.
Tried to play a Blu Ray with only a DTS-HD track. No choice for Dolby Digital 5.1 on the disc.
Cant get the Audio to play correctly thru the TV. Movie opens up and can hear the intro music, but nothing when the actors are speaking-NADA!
Tried to set some diff settings on the PS3 audio output, didn't work.
Any way to hear a DTS-HD track correctly thru the TV?
Just go through the Audio setup wizard. It will detect the TV only support PCM 2.0 channels and all audio will be down-converted.

Alternatively, you can hold the front power button down when you turn on the PS3 power switch on back until you hear 3 beeps and the audio/video settings will be set to defaults.

I have been searching for an answer with no sucess so here's my dilema. I just got the mits. adapter and DLP glasses for my 73835.

I have 3d working going from a cablecard in a Tivo going through my AVR to the TV but when I tried to play the 3d demo disk in my PS3, I am not getting a 3d picture? Am I missing a setting somewhere to enable it? I have the latest firmware. I thought it might be the AVR so I plugged the PS3 directly into the adapter and the picture was the same :confused:

I have been searching for an answer with no sucess so here's my dilema. I just got the mits. adapter and DLP glasses for my 73835.

I have 3d working going from a cablecard in a Tivo going through my AVR to the TV but when I tried to play the 3d demo disk in my PS3, I am not getting a 3d picture? Am I missing a setting somewhere to enable it? I have the latest firmware. I thought it might be the AVR so I plugged the PS3 directly into the adapter and the picture was the same :confused:

HDMI all the way and then on your ps3 run the display wizard;) choose HDMI and then it should say what size for the 3d display, choose your size and press X. Hope that helps.

I am using HDMI, where do I find the display wizard?

I have been searching for an answer with no sucess so here's my dilema. I just got the mits. adapter and DLP glasses for my 73835.

I have 3d working going from a cablecard in a Tivo going through my AVR to the TV but when I tried to play the 3d demo disk in my PS3, I am not getting a 3d picture? Am I missing a setting somewhere to enable it? I have the latest firmware. I thought it might be the AVR so I plugged the PS3 directly into the adapter and the picture was the same :confused:

I have your TV. What you need to do is first connect your PS3 directly to the 3D adapter. Then use the XMB to select video sources (going through the AVR won't detect a 3D TV for your PS3). Then unplug the HDMI from the adapter and then plug it into your AVR (DON'T unplug the HDMI from the back of your PS3). Now you're set to go (except for 3D BDs unless your AVR supports 1.4).

Thanks, the direct hdmi hookup to the adapter worked. Guess the old ONKYO was the issue. Maybe I need a splitter to run my two sources to the adapter and just use optical for my ps3 audio for now.

When my A01 60GB gave up the ghost, it was overdue---it was of the batch of very first released---and never really worked exactly right. It had trouble holding an internet connection, trouble downloading updates (usually had to download them from the PS3 website to a flash drive and do it manually), and then after updates, the auto reboot would hang and I would have to start it in safe mode just to get it to run again. The final straw was when it wouldn't load regular DVDs and PS2 games.

So I called Sony and got the $99 trade in. Although they say the replacements (Slim 160GB 2401's) are refurbs, the one I got appeared to be brand spanking new with all of the protective sticky plastic stuff that you have to peel off still in place. I have to say, it's the best deal around for 99 bucks---it works perfectly and has done away with all my frustrations with the old one--the turnaround was only about a week, though they say 2 weeks. The rep almost shed a tear to offer to take the A01 back---he seemed genuinely upset and said he hates to see the grandaddy of them all crash and burn, because they (the first 2 models) had EVERYTHING in one package. But anyway, I just went on eBay and bought a used PS2 SCPH-50001 complete with DVD remote, network adapter, 64MB memory card, 2 wired controllers and 1 wireless controller for 60 bucks shipped for my huge library of PS2 games. The 50001 was the last of the "fat" models, and is the only fat model that has the progressive scan option for DVDs. Gotta say for $60, it's just as good as any upscaling DVD player I've seen. Usually if you can get a 480p signal through component cables to any worthwhile HDTV, the TV can upscale to signal to HD if it has any kind of decent scaler built into it.

So, I'd say go for it. Well worth the $160 total it cost me to trade it in---

Let us know what you decide to do----

decided to attempt to get it fixed, its worth the extra to at least try to get it fixed

So Im having a bit of an issue here with my audio on the PS3. Im using it temporarily as a 3D Blu Ray Player. I dont have a receiver that is capable so I had to run the HDMI direct to the TV and use optical audio direct to receiver.

Before I had my PS3 via HDMI direct to receiver for audio & video because I did not have a 3D TV, this was about a week ago. I had just watched Transformers Dark of the Moon testing out my new sub and it sounded great!

I then switched to the optical audio since I just got a 3D TV and the audio is severly lacking, bass is hardly present. I know the only options for optical include Dolby/DTS 5.1 but even on those, I had some serious bass from the same movie on the HDMI connection. Now, on the current optical audio, very slight. Dark of the moon sounds so bland :(

Is this because of the audio connection?
Yes, I have the PS3 to output via optical before you ask :p
Am I just sore out of luck until I can get a 3D blu ray player with Dual HDMI?(cant afford a 3D receiver at this moment)

Its not my sub either because my Verizon FiOS box is 3D Capable, and I have it hooked up as well just like the PS3 and the bass is a plenty, that is running on optical audio as well.

Please help

There are two places you have to set up the optical output. First on Sound Settings - Audio Output Settings, you have to pick Optical and check DD 5.1 and DTS. Then go to Video settings - BD Audio Output Format (Optical Digital) and pick Bistream (or Mix per you preference). If you don't do this, you'll only get stereo and the poor sound you describe. Do the lights on your receiver indicate you're getting a DD or DTS signal?

Ok so I switched to Bitstream direct and my bass is back, wOOt! Thanks! I never bothered to look there since Linear PCM was how it was setup for HDMI.

Hi everyone! Sorry if this is not the right place but maybe you can help me...
I am having a weird behavior in my PS3 when connecting to Netflix, and I just want to know if anyone has experienced it and solved it:
It is a fat 80GB model. When I first installed and tested Netflix, the PS3 was connected to internet with WiFi and Netflix worked fine. After some changes in my home entertainment setup, I connected my PS3 to internet with an ethernet cable instead of WiFi, everything seemed OK (PSNetwork access, software updates, internet browsing, etc.) except for access to Netflix: I just keep getting the red screen and the loading blocks, but after a while there comes this screen that tells me that it could not connect to the service. I have reinstalled Netflix several times on my PS3 but it does not fix it. I have also tested Netflix on my PC using with the same cable and it works just fine in the PC. When I go back to WiFi connection in my PS3, Netflix starts working again, but if i go to wired it stops working. Has anyone gone through this behaviour? Thanks, guys.

I just got a new A/V receiver and with everything else receiver is fine but with PS3, A/V receiver shows PCM (means still somewhere not set of Bitstream) is there any place I might missed for setting on PS3?
As far as I can tell I set everything on PS3 as of Bitstream out but seems like I missed one or more somewhere, can anyone clear this up for me. All connections are HDMI

^^^ 4 posts up. Replace the word optical with HDMI.

Actually I just changed the disk and put in 007 thru-HD and receiver showed up Tru-HD and played very nicely but when I put back any games Drake or some others PCM comes in so seems like playing video is okay but game still puts out PCM and when I checked everywhere set to bitstream how this can happen

Actually I just changed the disk and put in 007 thru-HD and receiver showed up Tru-HD and played very nicely but when I put back any games Drake or some others PCM comes in so seems like playing video is okay but game still puts out PCM and when I checked everywhere set to bitstream how this can happen

I couldn't figure this for the longest time either, like 4 years. If you want it to bitstream only, go to audio setup and check only the top five or six options, which include Dolby digital and the like. I think two PCM settings cannot be unchecked, but that shouldn't matter. The only thing that sucks about setting it up like this is, if you watch a bluray with the only option for high resolution sound is uncompressed PCM, it will default to Dolby Digital. So, you would need to go back into settings and allow it to use PCM again. Does that make sense or is there a better way to do this?

The issue with games is that there is no "bitstreaming" of the soundtrack. The audio is being mixed in realtime as you play the game (i.e., you turn around and suddenly the location of gunfire moves to another speaker). The original audio assets are mixed in realtime to a multichannel PCM stream, which is what you'd want output from the PS3 for the highest fidelity. Encoding that stream as DD or DTS would result in a lossy version of the stream (which is really only useful if your AVR only supports those formats). And it doesn't really make any sense to encode the PCM stream as TrueHD or DTS-HD MA because you're not storing the audio files, so saving space is meaningless.

If everything set to bitstream how the game been played as A/V receiver shows PCM. So you saying don't bother and change everything to PCM and even True-HD audio let PS3 to do prossessing? For me doesn't really matter I guess either PS3 makes it or A/V receiver probably both ends up the same sound but only good thing if A/V receiver makes the prossessing you see in on A/V screen HD-Audio or whatever format that is other way you only see PCM doesn't matter with whatever the audio format is.

AFAIK, the PS3 doesn't do this? Any chance Sony will ever add it?

Anything new on the 3D HDMI audio issue?

My PS3 gave me a scare yesterday. Although my nearly 3 year old Logitech Harmony remote for the PS3 had always worked perfectly, including the last time I played a BD and then turned off the system with it, yesterday the PS3 and the remote lost communication. I finally figured out how to re pair the Logitech Harmony remote with the PS3 and once that was done it worked perfectly again. Go figure.

My PS3 gave me a scare yesterday. Although my nearly 3 year old Logitech Harmony remote for the PS3 had always worked perfectly, including the last time I played a BD and then turned off the system with it, yesterday the PS3 and the remote lost communication. I finally figured out how to re pair the Logitech Harmony remote with the PS3 and once that was done it worked perfectly again. Go figure.Another blue tooth device probably interfered. It's rare, but it does happen.

Another blue tooth device probably interfered. It's rare, but it does happen.
Could be. The PS3 is paired with my Bluetooth keyboard but I only use the keyboard with my HTPC. Recently I have been using the keyboard much more than I ever had before. Thus, I suspect interference from the keyboard may have caused the Logitech Harmony remote and the PS3 to forget they knew each other.

Ok been using my PS3 as my only Blu-Ray Player since launch day...Now I saw a Sony BDP-S580 for $80 just saw I can get a 2nd Blu-Ray player sa i can use it on my Living room...

My question is PS3 was released 2006...the BDP-S580 was released 2011, Do they differ in picture quality?

Can I use my apple Bluetooth keyboard/ wireless with ps3?

Anyone have any luck with HD quality YouTube videos with the new browser updates on the PS3? I haven't had a moment to play around with them but find the lack of a YouTube app to be a major miss on this system.

Can I use my apple Bluetooth keyboard/ wireless with ps3?

Don't see why not - give it a try.

Can I use my apple Bluetooth keyboard/ wireless with ps3?
Yes. My Apple Wireless Keyboard is paired with my PS3, although I hardly ever use it with the PS3 these days.

Ok been using my PS3 as my only Blu-Ray Player since launch day...Now I saw a Sony BDP-S580 for $80 just saw I can get a 2nd Blu-Ray player sa i can use it on my Living room...

My question is PS3 was released 2006...the BDP-S580 was released 2011, Do they differ in picture quality?

I have both... and 1080p is 1080p as far as I can tell... If there is a difference I can't see it.

I now just use my S580 (actually the Costco version - but same player) for movies... for no good reason really. I bought the S580 because it was a really good price, and at that time the PS3 didn't do any HD audio with 3D... plus it did SACDs which my PS3 does not do - I think it was originally a 40gig model, now it is 120gig.

Am hoping someone can help with my new setup.

I have just purchased a new PS3 slim 160gb and a Denon AVR-1912. They are connected to each other via an HDMI cable and I was able to configure video and audio up with no problem.

However if I review the "Settings > Sound Settings > Audio Output Settings" settings on the PS3 both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD-MA are not selected. If I try and manually configure the audio settings both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD-MA are greyed out and can not be enabled. Is this normal??

I know I can configure the PS3 to decode the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD-MA formats and pass the stream to the receiver as LPCM but at the moment I am just trying to comfirm I don't have a problem with either the PS3, the AVR-1912, or something else.

Make sure you pick HDMI, not Optical. Also, Auto can give that behavior. Try Manual. Also more settings under Video settings - BD Audio Output Format.

Make sure you pick HDMI, not Optical.

Am definitely using HDMI.

Also, Auto can give that behavior. Try Manual.

Have tried manual, but the options for the Lossless formats are greyed out like they are disabled and cannot be selected.

Also more settings under Video settings - BD Audio Output Format.

I have set the "BD / DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI)" option to Bitstream but this just gives me DD or DTS lossy not the lossless format.

From what I can tell (and this is my first PS3 so maybe I am missing something) if I have the BD audio set to Bitstream and I am using an HDMI connection that is configured to support the lossless formats I should be getting the lossless formats at the receiver but that's not happening with my AVR-1912.

Is anyone else using the Denon AVR-1912 with a PS3 160gb setup to Bitstream?

Am definitely using HDMI.

Have tried manual, but the options for the Lossless formats are greyed out like they are disabled and cannot be selected.

I have set the "BD / DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI)" option to Bitstream but this just gives me DD or DTS lossy not the lossless format.

From what I can tell (and this is my first PS3 so maybe I am missing something) if I have the BD audio set to Bitstream and I am using an HDMI connection that is configured to support the lossless formats I should be getting the lossless formats at the receiver but that's not happening with my AVR-1912.

Is anyone else using the Denon AVR-1912 with a PS3 160gb setup to Bitstream?

If your PS3 is a "Fat" model, it can't bitsream the lossless formats through HDMI. It can, however, decode them internally and send them in lossless PCM format to your receiver. Try changing the "BD / DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI)" setting and then the lossles formats will be available for you to select.

Only the PS3 Slim can bitstream the lossless audio formats.

If your PS3 is a "Fat" model, it can't bitsream the lossless formats through HDMI. It can, however, decode them internally and send them in lossless PCM format to your receiver. Try changing the "BD / DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI)" setting and then the lossles formats will be available for you to select.

Only the PS3 Slim can bitstream the lossless audio formats.

The PS3 is definitely a slim version (brand new 160gb) ...

I have played around with the "BD / DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI)" options changing between both Bitstream and Linear PCM but neither option changes the options within "Settings > Sound Settings > Audio Output Settings".

The PS3 is definitely a slim version (brand new 160gb) ...

I have played around with the "BD / DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI)" options changing between both Bitstream and Linear PCM but neither option changes the options within "Settings > Sound Settings > Audio Output Settings".
Try picking optical, then check all the options, then switch back to HDMI and see if they stick. Is your amp on when you make the choices? It appears to me that the PS3 actually attempts to communicate with whatever device is connected to fill in its supported formats automatically. It can't do this with optical, so you can make any choices you want.

Try picking optical, then check all the options, then switch back to HDMI and see if they stick. Is your amp on when you make the choices? It appears to me that the PS3 actually attempts to communicate with whatever device is connected to fill in its supported formats automatically. It can't do this with optical, so you can make any choices you want.

I tried this last night. Selecting Optical just removed the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD-MA options ... which makes sense are these formats cannot be passed down the optical cable.

I think you are correct in that the PS3 does seem to "detect" the capabilities of the receiver it is connected to. I know the Denon AVR-1912 can decode both the lossless formats which is why this makes no sense. Could it be a cable issue??

Am hoping someone can help with my new setup.

I have just purchased a new PS3 slim 160gb and a Denon AVR-1912. They are connected to each other via an HDMI cable and I was able to configure video and audio up with no problem.

However if I review the "Settings > Sound Settings > Audio Output Settings" settings on the PS3 both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD-MA are not selected. If I try and manually configure the audio settings both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD-MA are greyed out and can not be enabled. Is this normal??

I know I can configure the PS3 to decode the Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD-MA formats and pass the stream to the receiver as LPCM but at the moment I am just trying to comfirm I don't have a problem with either the PS3, the AVR-1912, or something else.

On your AVR you have to make sure you don't pick a HDMI pass-through type option. On my Yamaha Rx-663 the option is called: S. AUDIO and it has to be set to RX-V663 (other choice is "Other"). When set to "Other" the TV HDMI capabilities are advertised to the PS3 instead of the AVR's capabilities. This is so the PS3 (or other source) will output a HDMI signal that is compatible with the TV so it can be pass-through. You will have to find what Denon calls that HDMI setting.

Sending my fat in for a slim (qualified for the $99 upgrade) how do I back up my system data?

Sending my fat in for a slim (qualified for the $99 upgrade) how do I back up my system data?
Wow, what a deal! How long have you had your Fat? I would love to qualify for the $99 upgrade deal but my old Fat is nearly four years old and still works well.

Wow, what a deal! How long have you had your Fat? I would love to qualify for the $99 upgrade deal but my old Fat is nearly four years old and still works well.

Yes I would also like to know:-)

I've had my fat since 2007, not sure how long the trade in program is running but I'm glad i qualified;)

Where is this deal? Although, there might still be some advantages in keeping the phat!

Ok - I have succeeded in totaling confusing myself after all these years. I have the original fat PS3 (purchased when they first came out - 4 usb's in front, PS2 compatible, etc ec). And I bought a 3D TV a few years ago and then they finally came out w/the adapter and then Sony updated the PS3 to play 3D games & BDs. I have a 4 x 2 switch/splitter that I was using to watch 3D on the TV and other non-3D stuff on a projector. I remember when I was playing around w/3D and the PS3 I "think" I could connect the PS3 through my NON-1.4 receiver and still get HD audio and 3D for PS3 games but not 3D BDs. This week I upgraded to a new 3D projector so I no longer need the 3D set etc. I have a dedicated 3D BD player that has component audio out and HDMI out so I use that for 3D movies since I get the HD audio and pic w/my existing equipment.

Sorry for the long post so my question is this: Can I connect my PS3 via HDMI to my 1.3AVR and then from the AVR to my 3D projector and play 3D BD games along w/HD audio? I don't need 3D BD movies - just games.

I think I can if I first directly connect the PS3 via HDMI to the 3D Projector to 'find' the 3D video source; disconnect it from the projector; then connect it to the AVR

Does anyone know if Vudu 3d movies are in 1080p when using a PS3?

Decision to upgrade to slim version???

I have had this fat version 40 GB PS3 for about 4 years. I don't play games at all. Only used it infrequent BD player. I like the video quality.

Now, I am thinking of upgrade to the slim version for aesthetic reason.

What are the advantages and disadvantages of slim version over the fat version? I will be using it for BD playing mainly.

Does the slim version still require Bluetooth remote only? I have a Logitech Harmony1100 universal remote.

If I try selling our current one, would I get a good price? ( I heard that some people want the fat version for backward compatibility for games.)

My current model is CECHHO1 version bought here in USA.

Decision to upgrade to slim version???

I have had this fat version 40 GB PS3 for about 4 years. I don't play games at all. Only used it infrequent BD player. I like the video quality.

Now, I am thinking of upgrade to the slim version for aesthetic reason.

What are the advantages and disadvantages of slim version over the fat version? I will be using it for BD playing mainly.

Does the slim version still require Bluetooth remote only? I have a Logitech Harmony1100 universal remote.

If I try selling our current one, would I get a good price? ( I heard that some people want the fat version for backward compatibility for games.)

My current model is CECHHO1 version bought here in USA.

Do you play SACD? If so slim does not. You may get a decent price but all depends on who is around you and not worried that it will eventually get YLOD.

Decision to upgrade to slim version???

I have had this fat version 40 GB PS3 for about 4 years. I don't play games at all. Only used it infrequent BD player. I like the video quality.

Now, I am thinking of upgrade to the slim version for aesthetic reason.

What are the advantages and disadvantages of slim version over the fat version? I will be using it for BD playing mainly.
Only difference will be that slim version will allow you to bitstream HD audio instead of doing it LPCM. That's really only an advantage if you want our AVR to say "DTS-MA" instead of "LPCM".

Does the slim version still require Bluetooth remote only? I have a Logitech Harmony1100 universal remote.
This hasn't changed. I use the Harmony PS3 adapter with my 1100, has worked perfectly and it is cheap on eBay.

If I try selling our current one, would I get a good price? ( I heard that some people want the fat version for backward compatibility for games.)

My current model is CECHHO1 version bought here in USA.
The 40 gig model doesn't have backwards compatability or SACD, so I couldn't even give you a guess.
(reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3 )

Do you play SACD? If so slim does not. You may get a decent price but all depends on who is around you and not worried that it will eventually get YLOD.

I don't think my unit/version plays SACD.

Is the slim version much quieter?

I don't think my unit/version plays SACD.

Is the slim version much quieter?

If you are NOT a GAMER - upgrading from Fat to Thin is a waste of money.

Today's Next Generation Blu-Ray players do everything for under $200.

Check out the Panasonic DMP-BDT220.

I don't think my unit/version plays SACD.

Is the slim version much quieter?

The slim is much quieter than my launch fat. Worth the $$ in my opinion.

If you are NOT a GAMER - upgrading from Fat to Thin is a waste of money.

Today's Next Generation Blu-Ray players do everything for under $200.

Check out the Panasonic DMP-BDT220.

I think that's true.

However, the blu-ray player in ps3 is so robust and fast!

Also, ps3 is also the best dvd player that I have ever seen!

I think that's true.

However, the blu-ray player in ps3 is so robust and fast!

Also, ps3 is also the best dvd player that I have ever seen!

I own (3) PS3s and the Panasonic BLOWS the PS3 away in all departments for a
PLAYER only You should buy a Panasonic DMP-BDT220. for less than $150 and
see what a 4th Generation PLAYER will do. That is my two cent recommendation.

The thin PS3 is NOT A DARN THING NEW.

If you only use your PS3 for blu-rays, then you are much better off getting a standalone player. IMHO.

If you only use your PS3 for blu-rays, then you are much better off getting a standalone player. IMHO.

That was my point - he plays Blu-Ray only - NO GAMES.

Ok. I probably will sell the PS3 since I don't play games at all.

Looking for suggestion for a disc play for the following purposes:

1. good BD playing
2. good DVD playing
3. very good CD music playing both digital and very goood (audiophile) analogue output
4. SACD playing

Ok. I probably will sell the PS3 since I don't play games at all.

Looking for suggestion for a disc play for the following purposes:

1. good BD playing
2. good DVD playing
3. very good CD music playing both digital and very goood (audiophile) analogue output
4. SACD playing

#3 and #4 are a good reasons to KEEP the PS3.
SACD is an antique technology that almost no one supports any more.

If you only use your PS3 for blu-rays, then you are much better off getting a standalone player. IMHO.Just curious, I use my PS3 as a media player. I play AVCHD folders through an external HDD, stream from my PC's via PS3 Media Player, etc. Are there any standalone players that do that?

I sound like a fanboy trying to count the pro's to the PS3, but really I'm not. Certainly for Blu-ray playback only, there are less expensive and equal playback alternatives out there. However, in my case, since I use the media player like this (and it performs flawlessly), would I not be downgrading? Or do these new standalone players incorporate these abilities. The only reason I ask is that someday, the PS3 will bite the dust.

Ok. I probably will sell the PS3 since I don't play games at all.

Looking for suggestion for a disc play for the following purposes:

1. good BD playing
2. good DVD playing
3. very good CD music playing both digital and very goood (audiophile) analogue output
4. SACD playing

CHRIS650

Search this website (http://www.blu-ray.com/players/search.php) and click on the Capabilities you are looking for

#3 and #4 are a good reasons to KEEP the PS3.
SACD is an antique technology that almost no one supports any more.

My unit doesn't play SACD.... i think only units made prior to certain dates can play SACD.

My unit doesn't play SACD.... i think only units made prior to certain dates can play SACD.

But you ASKED for a SACD player. It is an obsolete standard.

does Oppo make sense? But they are so expensive.

does Oppo make sense? But they are so expensive.

AGAIN - May I suggest checking the Amazon price on the Panasonic DMP-BDT220

AVS does not let us quote prices - you have to check for yourself.

Oppo is good but EXPENSIVE - Why Spend Money when you don't have to.

Ok. I probably will sell the PS3 since I don't play games at all.

Looking for suggestion for a disc play for the following purposes:

1. good BD playing
2. good DVD playing
3. very good CD music playing both digital and very goood (audiophile) analogue output
4. SACD playing

The newer Sony blu-ray players, the x70 and x80 series, play SACD and the lower end models can be had for less than $150.

Just curious, I use my PS3 as a media player. I play AVCHD folders through an external HDD, stream from my PC's via PS3 Media Player, etc. Are there any standalone players that do that?

I sound like a fanboy trying to count the pro's to the PS3, but really I'm not. Certainly for Blu-ray playback only, there are less expensive and equal playback alternatives out there. However, in my case, since I use the media player like this (and it performs flawlessly), would I not be downgrading? Or do these new standalone players incorporate these abilities. The only reason I ask is that someday, the PS3 will bite the dust.

I know the Oppo players will do this, however, they cost 2x what a new PS3 costs. In your situation, I would replace a PS3 that has bitten the dust with a new PS3.

I personally think that the PS3 is a fantastic blu-ray player, I use it myself. However, the OP said that he only uses his PS3 to play back BD disks. In that case, I would spend the $150 or so on a standalone player and be done with it.

does Oppo make sense? But they are so expensive.

The Oppo makes a lot of sense if you have a large SACD collection and want to enjoy them to the fullest. What are you using now to listen to SACD?

AGAIN - May I suggest checking the Amazon price on the Panasonic DMP-BDT220

AVS does not let us quote prices - you have to check for yourself.

Oppo is good but EXPENSIVE - Why Spend Money when you don't have to.

Out of curiosity, can the Panasonic be made to be "all region"?

Out of curiosity, can the Panasonic be made to be "all region"?Previous non-US models could, so the new models probably can too (see the 110 thread for instructions). But an easily hackable Insignia player can be had for $40.

Previous non-US models could, so the new models probably can too (see the 110 thread for instructions). But an easily hackable Insignia player can be had for $40.

Insignia is the Best Buy brand?

If you're looking for a fast, quiet (compared to ps3) blu-ray player that also does SACD you should look into the Sony S580 - I got mine (Costco version) for right around $100 and have been thrilled with it. I use it for movies more than the PS3 now.

Most (probably all) of the Sony players support SACD as well.

Insignia is the Best Buy brand?Correct. See the BRDVD3 thread for details. There are links to all the hackable models, firmwares and procedures. I just sold my last one on ebay for $40 so it's kind of fresh on my mind.

Correct. See the BRDVD3 thread for details. There are links to all the hackable models, firmwares and procedures. I just sold my last one on ebay for $40 so it's kind of fresh on my mind.

Thanks.

The Oppo makes a lot of sense if you have a large SACD collection and want to enjoy them to the fullest. What are you using now to listen to SACD?

I don't have many SACD. However, i want to have a very good "CD Player" for my classical music CD collection.

I have a HK 7550HD AVR.. I guess.. I will just use my HK DVD 48 to output digital to my AVR....

I don't have many SACD. However, i want to have a very good "CD Player" for my classical music CD collection.

I have a HK 7550HD AVR.. I guess.. I will just use my HK DVD 48 to output digital to my AVR....

Yep, I would do HDMI from your DVD 48 to your AVR. If you want to spend $1000, you could get an Oppo 95 and use it's analog connection. I wouldn't advise that though.

I don't have many SACD. However, i want to have a very good "CD Player" for my classical music CD collection.

I have a HK 7550HD AVR.. I guess.. I will just use my HK DVD 48 to output digital to my AVR....

I think to get the most out of your existing music you should evaluate your whole set up focusing on speakers and AVR (one with good audio processing) rather than the player. Oppo will give you bang for the buck in additional processing compared to a Sony BD player. That said my budget only allowed for a S380 when my fat PS3 died last month. Plays SACD for next to nothing thanks to ebay. Just look for a display unit, I got a steal since mine had no remote - easily remedied by using my cable remote to enable the smartphone app control.

SACD is NOT dead :-) There are a lot of is who enjoy and continue to buy these discs and for the jump in SQ it is worth it. But to each their own. I think it never took off due to the requirement of different hardware and I believe Sony has a large stake in this technology making it more expensive for other manufacturers to incorporate it. Why they took it out of the PS3 still irks me - it does NOT do "everything" anymore lol.

I own (3) PS3s and the Panasonic BLOWS the PS3 away in all departments for a
PLAYER only You should buy a Panasonic DMP-BDT220. for less than $150 and
see what a 4th Generation PLAYER will do. That is my two cent recommendation.

The thin PS3 is NOT A DARN THING NEW.

Can the Panasonic frame-by-frame back and forth on BDs?

I've also found the FF/REV scan on standalone players not worth much either.

The PS3 excels at both.

I own (3) PS3s and the Panasonic BLOWS the PS3 away in all departments for a
PLAYER only You should buy a Panasonic DMP-BDT220. for less than $150 and
see what a 4th Generation PLAYER will do. That is my two cent recommendation.

In what ways?

So I just watched a BluRay in my FAT PS3 - then I switched over and watched a bit of TV.

Then I went back and put in another BluRay and it simply refuses to "show up".

So what I mean is it loads fine, i have a blue/green solid light. I can navigate all the menus...but under the VIDEO menu - no sign of any BluRay.

I tried a bunch of DVD's, etc...same thing ? What could have happened?

I turned on/off, etc...and same thing. Any ideas? I tried searching but kept finding references to not playing, etc. vs. not seeing the disk itself.

Thanks gang!

Ok, so I did some more research...I don't think my disk is spinning - although not 100% sure.

I assume this means my "laser" is dead?

Never had a problem, skip, anything...worked perfect. Does this make sense?

Ok, so I did some more research...I don't think my disk is spinning - although not 100% sure.

I assume this means my "laser" is dead?

Never had a problem, skip, anything...worked perfect. Does this make sense?

Sounds about right:( it happened to my Fatty a while back and had to send it to Sony for laser replacement :)

The same thing happened to me last week right after i did the latest update
I had to power cycle several times to get it to work.

So to follow up...how do I know what LASER I need to buy to try and fix ?

I see at least 5-6 different models. KES-400. KES-410, etc.

I have a FAT PS3 of course...is there anything else to help determine what laser?

So after more research, all I've turned up is get the BROWN clip vs. WHITE clip ?

Any idea exactly what clip they are talking about ? How to I verify that before I buy? Any other clues as to what is the correct one to buy ?

Thanks in advance!

If you don't even hear the disc spinning up after insertion, the problem (to me) sounds like it's the motor assembly that's shot -- not the laser. The laser assembly may still be perfectly fine.

If you don't even hear the disc spinning up after insertion, the problem (to me) sounds like it's the motor assembly that's shot -- not the laser. The laser assembly may still be perfectly fine.

Oh crap...problem is I don't know what I know how to tell :rolleyes:

Is there a way to TEST before I start buying stuff ?

Oh crap...problem is I don't know what I know how to tell :rolleyes:

Is there a way to TEST before I start buying stuff ?

Try and get a SLIM upgrade from SONY for $100?

If you don't have the technical ability to troubleshoot and find out what parts you need, you will most likely end up wasting your money.

Try and get a SLIM upgrade from SONY for $100?

If you don't have the technical ability to troubleshoot and find out what parts you need, you will most likely end up wasting your money.

Well I am fairly technical, it is just impossible to try and find concise information. Meaning I've google my brian's out and I see hundreds of different choices.

Hoping someone on this forum could provide a link or explain (bullet points) what I should be looking for.

I will see if I can get Sony on the upgrade...any idea how to go about that ?

I will see if I can get Sony on the upgrade...any idea how to go about that ?

I'd like to find out more about this, as well...

I will see if I can get Sony on the upgrade...any idea how to go about that ?

I'd like to find out more about this, as well...

Hi toofast8 and Tom Thomas, click -> here (http://a.slickdeals.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=859790&d=1323718054) or you can call in -> PlayStation Support line at 1-800-345-7669

Hi toofast8 and Tom Thomas, click -> here (http://a.slickdeals.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=859790&d=1323718054) or you can call in -> PlayStation Support line at 1-800-345-7669

That link comes up forbidden....

That link comes up forbidden....

Sorry, must be my work restriction just google PS3 Exchange Program.

Oh crap...problem is I don't know what I know how to tell :rolleyes:

Is there a way to TEST before I start buying stuff ?

Try and get a SLIM upgrade from SONY for $100?

If you don't have the technical ability to troubleshoot and find out what parts you need, you will most likely end up wasting your money.

if you have a 60gb(the only good fat model as it has the card reader and BC) its worth sending it in to get fixed i got a "referb" 60g and it looks brand new. if not id send it into sony to get a slim, its better to spend 100 rather than buy parts, start messing around and possibly get stuck and pay retail for a new one

Sorry, must be my work restriction just google PS3 Exchange Program.

Oh well, called support and have 30 minutes I was told too bad soo sad.

NO SLIM UPGRADE availble for me.

However for $99 plus tax I can get it fixed at the "service center".

toofast68, I have replaced the laser assembly in my PS3. You will have to disassemble your PS3 and get eyes on the assembly to see what part number you will need. It seems that if you get the whole drive assembly it will cost more, but if you don't know if you need the drive or the laser, that may be the best way to go.

Mine would not play dvds or BR and I believe I just replaced the laser. It's an easy replace. If you can get the PS3 apart, you can replace the laser. Just have to be careful with the ribbon connection. Replaced mine over a year ago, and is still going strong.

PM me if interested in where I purchased my part. My understanding though, is that you have to get eyes on the part number to make sure you get the right one. Dis-assembly is difficult at first, but if you do it once, it is alot faster the second, third time.

toofast68, I have replaced the laser assembly in my PS3. You will have to disassemble your PS3 and get eyes on the assembly to see what part number you will need. It seems that if you get the whole drive assembly it will cost more, but if you don't know if you need the drive or the laser, that may be the best way to go.

Mine would not play dvds or BR and I believe I just replaced the laser. It's an easy replace. If you can get the PS3 apart, you can replace the laser. Just have to be careful with the ribbon connection. Replaced mine over a year ago, and is still going strong.

PM me if interested in where I purchased my part. My understanding though, is that you have to get eyes on the part number to make sure you get the right one. Dis-assembly is difficult at first, but if you do it once, it is alot faster the second, third time.

I wonder if it is worth the $50 I will save...if Sony fixes it at least I have a 3 month warranty. well, you give me faith that I can do it on my own...i still wish I knew how to tell for sure it is the laser vs. the whole drive.

I wonder if it is worth the $50 I will save...if Sony fixes it at least I have a 3 month warranty. well, you give me faith that I can do it on my own...i still wish I knew how to tell for sure it is the laser vs. the whole drive.

I HIGHLY recommend the SONY Repair Facility and SERVICE.

I own 3 Fat PS3s.

The 1st one was reconditioned - it came back NEW.

I didn't say that PS3 buyers with HDTV's wouldn't buy or rent Blu-ray movies. In fact, I agree that a PS3 owner who also has an HDTV is very probably going to buy or rent at least 1 Blu-ray movie. I question the result that 80+% of PS3 owners would buy Blu-ray movies when a very large percentage of them don't have HDTV's. It could be that gamers have a higher percentage ownership of HDTV's (but I haven't seen any statistics one way or another) and there is nothing to extrapolate from that poll either way.

Those are some interesting numbers; where did you get them from? I love looking into stats like those.

taker ya pick hdmi or multi av connection...

s-video/stereo with toslink digital
s-video/multichan analog.
component/stereo
component/5.1-7.1
got a joytech switch the can do toslink and so forth

the lowest connnection on any hd type tv will either be a composite stereo/svideo stereo or composite stereo..

loooking at my bravia 32" it's the either composite or component with shared stereo, kind of wondered why they didn't use s-video ad the lowest option on resolution..

lower connection will e composite to vcr/dvr connection..

I feel like I'm going insane - anyone ever have issues with their PS3 randomly turning itself on?

4 times in the last 2 weeks I've walked into my room to find the PS3 running when I know it was off. 3 of the times it was sealed behind plastic since the room was having drywall work and painting done - so it wasn't in use at all.
I do have the harmony remote adapter - maybe that is malfunctioning?

Anyone else?

I feel like I'm going insane - anyone ever have issues with their PS3 randomly turning itself on?

4 times in the last 2 weeks I've walked into my room to find the PS3 running when I know it was off. 3 of the times it was sealed behind plastic since the room was having drywall work and painting done - so it wasn't in use at all.
I do have the harmony remote adapter - maybe that is malfunctioning?

Anyone else?

I used to have this problem when I used the Sony remote. It turned out that pressing any button on the remote turned on the PS3. I have a Harmony remote now and have not had problems.

Do you have a remote or controller somewhere that is being pressed?

I used to have this problem when I used the Sony remote. It turned out that pressing any button on the remote turned on the PS3. I have a Harmony remote now and have not had problems.

Do you have a remote or controller somewhere that is being pressed?

I have the Sony remote somewhere - but I don't think it has batteries in it. 3 of the times that it happened the controllers were both sealed up on the equipment shelves with the PS3 behind a layer of plastic - had to cut a hole to reach in and turn it off since it wasn't responding to the harmony remote's command to turn off.

Earlier in this thread everybody help me figure out I have a dead old FAT PS3 (either laser or drive unit)...I know I can try to fix myself, but with a 2 year old and work travel, my time is limited.

So any reason WHY I should not just get a $99 refurbished FAT again vs. paying $199 for a refurbished "skinny" newer PS3. I have a stand along BluRay player so my PS3 is really only used for occasional gaming and as a backup BluRay Player.

I have no problems spending the extra $100, but I am sure I can justify it...any advice would be appreciated.

Earlier in this thread everybody help me figure out I have a dead old FAT PS3 (either laser or drive unit)...I know I can try to fix myself, but with a 2 year old and work travel, my time is limited.

So any reason WHY I should not just get a $99 refurbished FAT again vs. paying $199 for a refurbished "skinny" newer PS3. I have a stand along BluRay player so my PS3 is really only used for occasional gaming and as a backup BluRay Player.

I have no problems spending the extra $100, but I am sure I can justify it...any advice would be appreciated.

As I said BEFORE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=21831836&postcount=31698)

Earlier in this thread everybody help me figure out I have a dead old FAT PS3 (either laser or drive unit)...I know I can try to fix myself, but with a 2 year old and work travel, my time is limited.

So any reason WHY I should not just get a $99 refurbished FAT again vs. paying $199 for a refurbished "skinny" newer PS3. I have a stand along BluRay player so my PS3 is really only used for occasional gaming and as a backup BluRay Player.

I have no problems spending the extra $100, but I am sure I can justify it...any advice would be appreciated.

I have a fat and a slim. I hate the fat for two reasons: 1) it runs super hot, thereby creating problem 2) the cooling fan runs constantly and it's LOUD.

In addition to the slim correcting these problems, the slim will also pass bitstream if you want your avr to decode the audio instead of the ps3.

As I said BEFORE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=21831836&postcount=31698)

Yes---I am not IGNORING your comment...just looking for a reason to upgrade I think :rolleyes:

But honestly...I think I am afriad the FAT will die again and another $99 repair and I could have bought the slim.

Do we know if the SLIM has a MUCH better survival rate vs. the FAT ?

Yes---I am not IGNORING your comment...just looking for a reason to upgrade I think :rolleyes:

But honestly...I think I am afriad the FAT will die again and another $99 repair and I could have bought the slim.

Do we know if the SLIM has a MUCH better survival rate vs. the FAT ?

YOU GET A GUARANTEE with the repair - same length as SLIM.

YOU GET A GUARANTEE with the repair - same length as SLIM.

Yep, 90 days they told me...and yes 90 days for refurb slim for $199

Just wondering after the 90 days WHAT DEVICE is more reliable long term...I don't want to keep shelling out $$

I have a fat and a slim. I hate the fat for two reasons: 1) it runs super hot, thereby creating problem 2) the cooling fan runs constantly and it's LOUD.

In addition to the slim correcting these problems, the slim will also pass bitstream if you want your avr to decode the audio instead of the ps3.

I had the fat as well. It had issues all the time with over heating. I have the slim now and love it.

Yep, 90 days they told me...and yes 90 days for refurb slim for $199

Just wondering after the 90 days WHAT DEVICE is more reliable long term...I don't want to keep shelling out $$

The question to ask is: HOW LONG DID YOUR FAT LAST?

The question to ask is: HOW LONG DID YOUR FAT LAST?

Well, elapsed time or time in use?

I barely EVER USED it, so if it lasted 100 hours I would be amazed.

I would expect something to last more than 100 hours.

Elapsed time...well 4-5 years.

Well, elapsed time or time in use?

I barely EVER USED it, so if it lasted 100 hours I would be amazed.

I would expect something to last more than 100 hours.

Elapsed time...well 4-5 years.

I know that I shouldn't jinks myself, but I own 2 phats (original 40GB, and 80GB MGS4 with some PS2 backwards compatibility).

These things don't owe me anything at this point. The 40GB phat has played every Bluray disc that wasn't cracked from Netflix and Blockbuster and the 80GB has so many gaming hours by my son that I can't believe it still read Game discs like it was new. It has played every PS3 game disc he has rented (blockbuster and local) except 1. The 80GB ps3 is also transported 6 times a year for vacations.

I have rented hundreds of Blurays since I have owned them.

My home has quality electrostatic dust filters on the furnace with regular circulation times scheduled and some standalone air filters. My home is always maintained below 75degrees. I wonder if heat kills peoples PS3s?

Well, elapsed time or time in use?

I barely EVER USED it, so if it lasted 100 hours I would be amazed.

I would expect something to last more than 100 hours.

Elapsed time...well 4-5 years.

LACK OF USE is not good - only 25 hours per year or 2 hours per month.

I have used my fats for 200 hours per year.

I believe there was an early laser problem that has been gone for a long
time - a refurbed fat or slim should be fine and the only thing you get
with a slim is the TrueHD or DTS-MA light on your AVR to come on.

LACK OF USE is not good - only 25 hours per year or 2 hours per month.

I have used my fats for 200 hours per year.

I believe there was an early laser problem that has been gone for a long
time - a refurbed fat or slim should be fine and the only thing you get
with a slim is the TrueHD or DTS-MA light on your AVR to come on.

... Instead of SACD playback

Those are some interesting numbers; where did you get them from? I love looking into stats like those.

That post you responded to is more than six years old. Even if those numbers were accurate at the time, they definitely aren't anymore.

I have an older ps3 and a samsung pn51d6500. Tv looks great with hd cable, but blu rays from my ps3 are way too dark. Ive tried different combinations of settings and im using rgb limited with ypbcr and super white on. Is this a known issue with the ps3?

I have the Sony remote somewhere - but I don't think it has batteries in it. 3 of the times that it happened the controllers were both sealed up on the equipment shelves with the PS3 behind a layer of plastic - had to cut a hole to reach in and turn it off since it wasn't responding to the harmony remote's command to turn off.

I think I figured out the source of my problem - the Harmony PS3 adapter was "dying"! I noticed a few times that the LED on the adapter was off even though it was plugged in at the times that I discovered the PS3 on when it shouldn't have been. Last night I went down to use the PS3 and found that the LED was off - unplugging and plugging the adapter back in made the LED come on briefly before it shut down again. I'm assuming it has officially died at this point.
This was a "refurbished" Harmony adapter... I guess it wasn't refurbished very well.

I think I figured out the source of my problem - the Harmony PS3 adapter was "dying"! I noticed a few times that the LED on the adapter was off even though it was plugged in at the times that I discovered the PS3 on when it shouldn't have been. Last night I went down to use the PS3 and found that the LED was off - unplugging and plugging the adapter back in made the LED come on briefly before it shut down again. I'm assuming it has officially died at this point.
This was a "refurbished" Harmony adapter... I guess it wasn't refurbished very well.
I have had a Logitech Harmony adapter for the PS3, which I bought new, for nearly three years. Until recently it had been working perfectly. Unfortunately, it has lost its Bluetooth connection with my PS3 a couple of times in recent weeks. I suspect this is because recently I have been using Bluetooth remote control apps on my Macbook Pro and iPad to control a Mac Mini, which I use as an HTPC. Assuming that's the case, I still give the Logitech Harmony adapter high marks.

I give high marks to no adapter whatsoever. I can do everything I need via bravia sync (HDMI CEC) for free. Codes and details are posted in the FAQ.

Amazon streaming is know on the ps3 i have bin hoping for this since i have amazon prime. They need to add a queue though.

I give high marks to no adapter whatsoever. I can do everything I need via bravia sync (HDMI CEC) for free. Codes and details are posted in the FAQ.

That would be helpful to someone with sony equipment I suppose. Unfortunately that won't help my situation. ;)

That would be helpful to someone with sony equipment I suppose. Unfortunately that won't help my situation. ;)

This talk of One Remote To Rule Them All still tickles me after all this time. Did your various components not come with remotes?

I still see nothing wrong with using a remote to do one job. Turn on the TV, put it down. Turn on the AVR, switch to the TV input (if it was left on the PS3 input), put it down. Pick up the TiVo remote and enjoy....

I guess I must have missed the fascination of these...

Seggers

This talk of One Remote To Rule Them All still tickles me after all this time. Did your various components not come with remotes?

I still see nothing wrong with using a remote to do one job. Turn on the TV, put it down. Turn on the AVR, switch to the TV input (if it was left on the PS3 input), put it down. Pick up the TiVo remote and enjoy....

I guess I must have missed the fascination of these...

Seggers

Why make life difficult and clutter up the space?
Push one button to turn on the ps3, turn on the tv, turn on AVR, set AVR to the correct input - or - find TV remote in remote pile, push on button, find AVR remote, push on button, remember which input the ps3 is on and push that button, find ps3 remote, push button to turn it on. For me the one button solution just makes more sense. I don't have a place to keep a pile of remotes, and I like being able to just hit the button and walk away to get my popcorn or whatever as the system fires up.
Combine that with equipment that not in line of sight with the remote - it just works better for me. It also lessens the number of times I have to help my wife figure out how to work the system. "push the button that says what you want to do" is easier to explain than "grab these 3 remotes from the pile of remotes, do these 5 steps, unless you want to use the Wii instead - then hit these button... And for the blu ray player use these remotes and these buttons".

Whatever works for you and makes you happy :)

This talk of One Remote To Rule Them All still tickles me after all this time. Did your various components not come with remotes?

I still see nothing wrong with using a remote to do one job. Turn on the TV, put it down. Turn on the AVR, switch to the TV input (if it was left on the PS3 input), put it down. Pick up the TiVo remote and enjoy....

I guess I must have missed the fascination of these...

Seggers

We are clearly in the minority on this one but I agree with you 100%. I only wish that all my remotes had Bluetooth like my PS3 remote. Not needing line of sight for it has spoiled me for all the others.

That would be helpful to someone with sony equipment I suppose. Unfortunately that won't help my situation. ;)Works with my toshiba too (their HDMI control is called regza link or something like that). It should work with anynet, viera link, etc., whatever your tv maker calls it. Of course your tv remote would need the transport controls on it. My toshiba uses them for playing slide shows, but also sends them over HDMI to my PS3 and every other player I've tried. It's worth a shot to just enable it and see what happens.

Works with my toshiba too (their HDMI control is called regza link or something like that). It should work with anynet, viera link, etc., whatever your tv maker calls it. Of course your tv remote would need the transport controls on it. My toshiba uses them for playing slide shows, but also sends them over HDMI to my PS3 and every other player I've tried. It's worth a shot to just enable it and see what happens.

Oh really? Interesting... I will have to look into it a little more Does your Ps3 turn on every time the tv comes on? I know that when I had CEC turned on with my blu ray player it kept turning it on whenever the tv came on so I shut off CEC on the tv (Mitsubishi).

Neither of my tv's do that, but they do work differently. The toshiba will turn on the PS3 when I select its input. I do have the option to turn that behavior off. My sony has a menu for controlling HDMI connected devices which can be set to turn them on when they are selected. Each tv has options to manage what level of automation and control I can have over HDMI connected devices. I have been able to set mine up without any undesired effects. The benefit for me is I have more control than I had using an IR dongle and none of the cost of a bluetooth solution like the logitech adapter.

I only wish that all my remotes had Bluetooth like my PS3 remote. Not needing line of sight for it has spoiled me for all the others.

+1

Unless equipment is in line of sight and not too far away, IR controls are very unreliable. I love the PS3's Bluetooth remote.

Neither of my tv's do that, but they do work differently. The toshiba will turn on the PS3 when I select its input. I do have the option to turn that behavior off. My sony has a menu for controlling HDMI connected devices which can be set to turn them on when they are selected. Each tv has options to manage what level of automation and control I can have over HDMI connected devices. I have been able to set mine up without any undesired effects. The benefit for me is I have more control than I had using an IR dongle and none of the cost of a bluetooth solution like the logitech adapter.

Thanks for the information!
I tried playing around last night but I'm not really sure what I'm doing...

Works with my toshiba too (their HDMI control is called regza link or something like that). It should work with anynet, viera link, etc., whatever your tv maker calls it. Of course your tv remote would need the transport controls on it. My toshiba uses them for playing slide shows, but also sends them over HDMI to my PS3 and every other player I've tried. It's worth a shot to just enable it and see what happens.

Hi mdavej, curious if you're running PS3 straight to the tv or running PS3 through AVR and then to the tv.

Straight to tv in both cases.

Straight to tv in both cases.

I never really understood this but, does not HDMI to TV preclude the PS3 from sending the more recent audio codes (ie Dolby True HD, etc) to your AVR, resulting in only the older DD or DTS?

i never really understood this but, does not hdmi to tv preclude the ps3 from sending the more recent audio codes (ie dolby true hd, etc) to your avr, resulting in only the older dd or dts?

absolutely correct

I never really understood this but, does not HDMI to TV preclude the PS3 from sending the more recent audio codes (ie Dolby True HD, etc) to your AVR, resulting in only the older DD or DTS?

Another thing that precludes it is having no HDMI inputs on one's AVR, which happens to be the case with me ;-)

Another thing that precludes it is having no HDMI inputs on one's AVR, which happens to be the case with me ;-)

Got it. That was the sole (well, at least biggest) motivator in my recent AVR (Onkyo 709) upgrade. HDMI has made my spaghetti wiring nightmare so, so much better! Of course, I have not figured out how to turn on the (fat) PS3 via HDMI from my AVR. Don't think it's possible.

im thinking of selling my infrequently used bdp-83 player in place of a new ps3. i currently have my oppo output to source direct into my scaler. does the ps3 do source direct? if not, is its internal scaler anywhere near the oppo's? im using it with a jvc rs35 pj and 130" screen so i can see when the image is inferior for scaling.

thx.

Works with my toshiba too (their HDMI control is called regza link or something like that). It should work with anynet, viera link, etc., whatever your tv maker calls it.

Except LG's. There's only works with their own devices. So lame.

Could anyone explain the best way to configure my setup for audio with the ps3? It seems like some of you are saying straight to he tv is best?

I've got a lg 55lw5600, ps3 slim, and Panasonic 1021k reciever. The reciever and tv both have arc.

Could anyone explain the best way to configure my setup for audio with the ps3? It seems like some of you are saying straight to he tv is best?

I've got a lg 55lw5600, ps3 slim, and Panasonic 1021k reciever. The reciever and tv both have arc.

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I've got a lg 55lw5600, ps3 slim, and Panasonic 1021k reciever. The reciever and tv both have arc.

Hi talk show host, wow a new model receiver :p. I believe you have a Pioneer 1021K receiver.

PS3 -> 1021K -> Tv (all via HDMI cables)

I own (3) PS3s and the Panasonic BLOWS the PS3 away in all departments for a
PLAYER only You should buy a Panasonic DMP-BDT220. for less than $150 and
see what a 4th Generation PLAYER will do. That is my two cent recommendation.

The thin PS3 is NOT A DARN THING NEW.

Dr. hankz, I would like a bit more info on this. I have been using my slim PS3 for blu rays and games. I run it through my Yamaha reciever to my Panasonic ST30. I am wondering if I would actually notice much difference in PQ between the PS3 and the Pansonic player you mentioned to make the additional purchase worth it. I know this is subjective, but anything you can share that will help quantify the quality difference would be helpful. My PS3 is not broken, so i don't need to buy something (as was the case with the individual you directed your comments towards.)

I am however, somewhat of a videophile with champagne taste and a beer budget :( I can afford $150 purchase if it is a significant improvement in PQ. Also, how well does the Panasonic player compare to the PS3 in terms of upscaling dvd??

I don't have the Panasonic - but between my sony 580 and the Ps3 there is no visible difference in picture quality when watching blu rays - honestly there shouldn't be should there? All it does is read the "ones and zeros" from the disc and send them to the TV, or am I missing something?

Dr. hankz, I would like a bit more info on this. I have been using my slim PS3 for blu rays and games. I run it through my Yamaha reciever to my Panasonic ST30. I am wondering if I would actually notice much difference in PQ between the PS3 and the Pansonic player you mentioned to make the additional purchase worth it. I know this is subjective, but anything you can share that will help quantify the quality difference would be helpful. My PS3 is not broken, so i don't need to buy something (as was the case with the individual you directed your comments towards.)

I am however, somewhat of a videophile with champagne taste and a beer budget :( I can afford $150 purchase if it is a significant improvement in PQ. Also, how well does the Panasonic player compare to the PS3 in terms of upscaling dvd??

It is my TWO CENT opinion you would NOT see a difference for Blu-Ray DVDs.
Most people on AVS will Disagree. Blu-Ray is Lossless Digital. In Theory
all Blu-Ray Players for Blu-Ray movies should output the same strings
of 1's and 0's - that is why it is Lossless.

If you need other services offered by the 220 - that is a different issue.

IMO the latest sony's are a much better replacement for a PS3 than panasonic. They have the following that panny doesn't:

- Quality indicator
- DLNA (panny DLNA is extremely limited)
- Gracenote
- Bravia sync
- XBM

It is my TWO CENT opinion you would NOT see a difference for Blu-Ray DVDs.
Most people on AVS will Disagree. Blu-Ray is Lossless Digital. In Theory
all Blu-Ray Players for Blu-Ray movies should output the same strings
of 1's and 0's - that is why it is Lossless.

If you need other services offered by the 220 - that is a different issue.

So in making the comment that you felt the panny player blows away the PS3, you are referring to some of the features that it offers, rather than the actual picture quality? Not trying to hold you to your words, just trying to understand better. Thank you for your time and input.

So in making the comment that you felt the panny player blows away the PS3, you are referring to some of the features that it offers, rather than the actual picture quality? Not trying to hold you to your words, just trying to understand better. Thank you for your time and input.

Yes - PQ - Should be the same for Blu-Ray MOVIES.

I have a Marantz 7002 (little brother to the 8002, but very similar), the following is normal:

If you feed the Marantz a bit-stream signal, means the Marantz will be doing the decoding >> you will get the fancy decoder indicator lights on the Marantz panel.

If you do the decoding in the upstream device (PCM to the Marantz) - The Marantz decoding indicators become inactive.

Hope that helps out a bit.

Cuzed,

I am wondering if you can share your experience with whether or not Bitstreaming to your reciever or letting PS3 decode and send out PCM has resulted in better audio quality? I am making the assumption that your ears are better than mine simply because I see you have a Marantz :)

I am no audiophile, as my speakers are Bose Accoustimass and my reciever is a low to mid end Yamaha. They sound great to me, but I don't want to miss out on anything, just in case my average hearing might detect it....lol.

Your impression/thoughts?

Yes - PQ - Should be the same for Blu-Ray MOVIES.

Thanks Dr, you have been helpful and I appreciate it. One last question for you. When I turn on my tv, but have not yet turned on any sources, it displays a perfectly black screen. When I turn on my reciever and ps3, and a blu ray is loading, for example, I get a black that contains some "noise."

It is kind of like watching "channel fuzz" only much much more mild and the picture is still black. You have to be pretty close to the tv to see it. It also seems to be present when the movie is playing and the scene is really dark. I believe this may be what is called "dithering," and normal for a plasma tv. I thought you might be able to shed some light on this for me.

I am not overly concerned as it is not too visible from a normal viewing distance. i just want to know if this is what they call dithering, or if it is normal. I can't remember whether or not my Bravia LED did this or not.

Figured I'd add helpful tip based on my recent experience.

I turned on the PS3, which is connected to the HDTV with an HDMI connection, and there was no video/audio. I looking in various places an the 1st step was to hold down the on button to restart. That did not resolve my issue. I swapped out the HDMI cable and still was a no-go. Advice varied greatly on how to proceed from there.

I solved the issue by getting out the old RCA type audio/video connector and hooked up the PS3 using that IN ADDITION to HDMI cable. I switched the TV to the RCA type input and I was prompted with a message that stated "The PS3 also has an HDMI connection, do you want to use HDMI instead". If you select that, you can then switch the TV to the HDMI input and you are then prompted with a count down screen(to reset back to RCA) which requires you to accept that you in fact do want to use this HDMI input.

Boom, problem solved. It does not makes sense to me why you have to do that, considering the HDMI was the only active connection. But that is what I have to do to fix my PS3 HDMI connection. I've had to do this twice now in the last three months. I'm not sure if this is an indication that my machine is on it's way out. But I'll keep on doing this when the issue comes up.

Hopefully this was helpful to someone else who faced the dearth of info I found out there when researching the problem.