Sorry, I included the simple diagram/scheme with the intention that it will illustrate I've done the physical connection between the console and the tv as "flawless" as one can do. Yellow to video (yellow connector) and the White and Red to either the L and R connector, right?

For now, the PS3 is the only device connected to the TV and yes I know which input plug was used and selected; even tried and selected other input connectors [as in Input 2, 3, 4], but still no go. BTW, any of that particular TV inputs worked with my friends PS2 and any other devices that were connected to them before; so eliminate the possibility that it's broken. Likewise, I've also tried connecting the PS3 to 2 other TVs using the same interface that came with this console. So what am I missing?

I don't wanna be stuck just using my main HT TV (46" True 1080p HD Bravia LCD) with the PS3, for times when I'm watching the "Play-offs" and the like, and someone else in the house wanting to play a game on the console, so any and all help is certainly much appreciated.
Did you set the PS3's output to 480i?

Did you set the PS3's output to 480i?

Since I can't see how I'll be able to do this without seeing the UI / menu options I went and connected the PS3 via HDMI to my HDTV to do this before once again shutting down the console and disconnecting it. But alas, when I connected it to the older WEGA, I got the same result, i.e. zip, nada, nothing, blank! Shouldn't the PS3 automatically switch resolution to whatever interface and display monitor it's paired with?

x5, you have to manually switch outputs on the PS3 when changing it to another connection type or TV. So you'd have to connect it to the original TV via HDMI first and change the output to analog composite and accept it.

The other option is to hook it up to the older tv and, with the PS3 in standbye mode, press and hold the power button for 5 seconds til u hear 2 beeps. It should reset itself and automatically detect the connection type.

Brandon

I bought another PS3 after taking another one back to BB. I still have some movies freezing. X-Men 3 and Casino Royale are the culprits again. Should I get rid of the PS3 and get a stand-alone unit?

-Roy

and you have the most up-to-date firmware RoyB? I just watched Casino Royale all the way through this weekend and had no freezing with it.

Brandon

I downloaded 1.70 before I loaded any movies.

Say... haven't seen report of the movie freezing for awhile. I never got to experience it myself... does this mean it's gone or is anyone still experiencing this on 1.70?

RoyB - is your PS3 installation location well-ventilated?
Is your power clean? I'm not talking about getting a (cough*ripoff*cough) Monster power conditioner or some such - but perhaps run the PS3 (and any DVRs you may own/rent) through a decent UPS/Surge Protector!

I downloaded 1.70 before I loaded any movies.

Confirm the firmware version from the system menu. Downloading and installing the firmware are two separate issues. If you have the latest firmware, your connection to the network should have been disabled automatically. Worst case scenario, disable the network manually before watching a BD movie.

No problems here. I updated the player to 1.7 prior to watching movies. My PS3 is 2 days old and works fantastic. I can't even hear it running unless i'm less than 2 feet away.

Yes .. I do have a Monster Power Conditioner. It is plugged into that unit. It was given to me as a gift. Sorry about that. I will check the network settings and make sure it is diabled and that the firmware is indeed 1.70.

Confirm the firmware version from the system menu. Downloading and installing the firmware are two separate issues. If you have the latest firmware, your connection to the network should have been disabled automatically. Worst case scenario, disable the network manually before watching a BD movie.
You might want to try manually disabling the Internet connection in case it's your Internet connection backing up causing problems. Disabling the Playstation network doesn't disable the entire Internet connection. The latest firmware should log you out of the network automatically, but technically your Internet connection is still enabled.

You might want to try manually disabling the Internet connection in case it's your Internet connection backing up causing problems. Disabling the Playstation network doesn't disable the entire Internet connection. The latest firmware should log you out of the network automatically, but technically your Internet connection is still enabled.

So when I mentioned disabling the network you thought I meant the "Playstation Network"? I thought this was funny. :D

Sorry, just busting your chops, solo88.

I have a NTSC PS3 but I live in a PAL country, does anyone know if there is a hack to get both pal & ntsc from my PS3? If I could then I can buy PAL bluray discs from my own country aand also play all my old PAL standard DVD's.

Thanks in advance :rolleyes:

I have a NTSC PS3 but I live in a PAL country, does anyone know if there is a hack to get both pal & ntsc from my PS3? If I could then I can buy PAL bluray discs from my own country aand also play all my old PAL standard DVD's.

Thanks in advance :rolleyes:

There are no pal/ntsc with BD or HD DVDs.

There are no pal/ntsc with BD or HD DVDs.

My PS3 from the USA does not play PAL standard discs only NTSC

If you haven't stumbled on it, check out the Visual Player while listening to music via the PS3. Highly entertaining.

Say... haven't seen report of the movie freezing for awhile. I never got to experience it myself... does this mean it's gone or is anyone still experiencing this on 1.70?

I haven't had any freezing since 1.70 (but had it happen before that). I think with the update, the PS3 now automatically logs you off when a movie is being played, kind of taking the easy way out in solving the problem. I guess its a quick fix for now, but what about in the future if discs are released that have extra material that can be accessed online while the disc is playing?

I have a NTSC PS3 but I live in a PAL country, does anyone know if there is a hack to get both pal & ntsc from my PS3? If I could then I can buy PAL bluray discs from my own country aand also play all my old PAL standard DVD's.

Thanks in advance :rolleyes:

Blu-ray won't be a problem because there is no PAL or NTSC involved (but region coding may be an issue, what country do you live in?). Your PAL DVDs definitely won't work on a US PS3 (and region coding may be a problem too) and I'm not sure if any kind of hack for this would be possible in the future.

has anyone heard word on when the hdmi 1.3 software update may come?

I'm seriously considering adding the PS3 to my existing HTS, however I'm concerned that my current system will somewhat limit the av capabilities of the Blu-Ray format. Basically, I have a Sony GW 55" HDTV with 720p native res. and a Denon 3805 lacking HDMI capabilities. Will the toslink connection allow me to still take advantage of the various HD audio formats? Also, can the PS3 video out be set at 720p to match my HDTV or should I set the PS3 to 1080i and let the TV make the coversion to 720p. Lastly, are the upgrades for audio and video substantial enough to warrant integrating the PS3 with semi-old tech gear? Thanks in advance.

Dennis

Sony KDF-55wf655
Denon 3805
Denon 2910
Rotel RB-1080
Geffen 2-1 HDMI Switch

My PS3 from the USA does not play PAL standard discs only NTSC No, there is no way to hack the DVD playback to be multi-region.

Only the SEA version of the PS3 can play both NTSC and PAL DVDs but even then they must be R3 or region free discs.


fuad

No, there is no way to hack the DVD playback to be multi-region.

Only the SEA version of the PS3 can play both NTSC and PAL DVDs but even then they must be R3 or region free discs.


fuad
What is the SEA version of PS3?
I have tried region "O" and they dont work.

Blu-ray won't be a problem because there is no PAL or NTSC involved (but region coding may be an issue, what country do you live in?). Your PAL DVDs definitely won't work on a US PS3 (and region coding may be a problem too) and I'm not sure if any kind of hack for this would be possible in the future.

Im in New Zealand

Have tried region "O" and they dont work.

I'm seriously considering adding the PS3 to my existing HTS, however I'm concerned that my current system will somewhat limit the av capabilities of the Blu-Ray format. Basically, I have a Sony GW 55" HDTV with 720p native res. and a Denon 3805 lacking HDMI capabilities. Will the toslink connection allow me to still take advantage of the various HD audio formats? Also, can the PS3 video out be set at 720p to match my HDTV or should I set the PS3 to 1080i and let the TV make the coversion to 720p. Lastly, are the upgrades for audio and video substantial enough to warrant integrating the PS3 with semi-old tech gear? Thanks in advance.

Dennis

Sony KDF-55wf655
Denon 3805
Denon 2910
Rotel RB-1080
Geffen 2-1 HDMI Switch

PS3 does not support 720p for Blu-Ray movies. You'd have to go with 1080i. There has been talk of a future firmware upgrade for 720p conversion, but who knows when that is coming.

has anyone heard word on when the hdmi 1.3 software update may come?

PS3 is already HDMI 1.3. What software update are you referring to?

I'm seriously considering adding the PS3 to my existing HTS, however I'm concerned that my current system will somewhat limit the av capabilities of the Blu-Ray format. Basically, I have a Sony GW 55" HDTV with 720p native res. and a Denon 3805 lacking HDMI capabilities. Will the toslink connection allow me to still take advantage of the various HD audio formats? Also, can the PS3 video out be set at 720p to match my HDTV or should I set the PS3 to 1080i and let the TV make the coversion to 720p. Lastly, are the upgrades for audio and video substantial enough to warrant integrating the PS3 with semi-old tech gear? Thanks in advance.

Dennis

Sony KDF-55wf655
Denon 3805
Denon 2910
Rotel RB-1080
Geffen 2-1 HDMI Switch

I would recommend the PS3 only if you were planning on upgrading your Denon receiver within the next month. As the PS3 has no multichannel analog audio outputs, you have no way of enjoying the advanced audio on the BD's. A Samsung BDP1200 would be a better fit for your home theater at only $200 more retail.

PS3 is already HDMI 1.3. What software update are you referring to?HDMI 1.3 support in both hardware and software is required to support HDMI 1.3 "features" such as TrueHD and DTS-HD MA bitstream output.

HDMI 1.3 hardware by itself does nothing. The software in the device must support every feature. Simply sticking a Silicon Image SiI 9133 in a console or Blu-ray player does nothing to output TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. The software must support that functionality.

Similarly, sticking a Silicon Image SiI9135 in A/V receiver does nothing to accept or decode TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. The receiver must have the DSPs and software support to accept and decode those formats. The new Onkyo receivers feature both the hardware and the software necessary to decode those formats.

HDMI 1.3 support in both hardware and software is required to support HDMI 1.3 "features" such as TrueHD and DTS-HD MA bitstream output.

HDMI 1.3 hardware by itself does nothing. The software in the device must support every feature. Simply sticking a Silicon Image SiI 9133 in a console or Blu-ray player does nothing to output TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. The software must support that functionality.

Similarly, sticking a Silicon Image SiI9135 in A/V receiver does nothing to accept or decode TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. The receiver must have the DSPs and software support to accept and decode those formats. The new Onkyo receivers feature both the hardware and the software necessary to decode those formats.

bfdtv, are you the "HDMI 1.3 police"? You've already used this response to Ronnie in post #4451. I didn't correct you then but I will correct you now. The HDMI 1.3 transmitter is the Si9134 and not the 9133. For your reference:

http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=102

I also called you out on which brand and model of pre-production receiver you had experience with. Did you forget to answer? ;)

PS3 does not support 720p for Blu-Ray movies. You'd have to go with 1080i. There has been talk of a future firmware upgrade for 720p conversion, but who knows when that is coming.Huh, I did not know this. I have 1080i selected as a resolution my plasma accepts, so that must be what I am watching via BD.

I'm seriously considering adding the PS3 to my existing HTS, however I'm concerned that my current system will somewhat limit the av capabilities of the Blu-Ray format. Basically, I have a Sony GW 55" HDTV with 720p native res. and a Denon 3805 lacking HDMI capabilities. Will the toslink connection allow me to still take advantage of the various HD audio formats? Also, can the PS3 video out be set at 720p to match my HDTV or should I set the PS3 to 1080i and let the TV make the coversion to 720p. Lastly, are the upgrades for audio and video substantial enough to warrant integrating the PS3 with semi-old tech gear? Thanks in advance.

Dennis

Sony KDF-55wf655
Denon 3805
Denon 2910
Rotel RB-1080
Geffen 2-1 HDMI SwitchYou will get DD or DTS if a BD features the high-resolution Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD formats, but at a higher bitrate than straight DD or DTS. So you will gain some audio upgrade via your toslink connection vs DVD. And then of course, how much will you enjoy the games? Only you can answer if the enjoyment gained of a PS3 warrants the cost.

I, too, have a Denon AVR3805, and plan on upgrading to the AVR3808CI. I could purchase any HDMI equipped receiver, and immediately enjoy the higher-res formats in PCM, but I'll wait for the full monty - a receiver that accepts the high res codecs as bitstream and then decodes. I think Denon will be releasing these new receivers very shortly - July-ish.

bfdtv, are you the "HDMI 1.3 police"? You've already used this response to Ronnie in post #4451. I didn't correct you then but I will correct you now. The HDMI 1.3 transmitter is the Si9134 and not the 9133. For your reference:Actually, the PS3 uses neither. It uses an earlier variant of the Si9134 -- the SiI9132 -- designed specifically for game consoles. Silicon Image has more than a half dozen different parts, so I can never keep the part numbers for the receivers and transmitters straight. But it doesn't change the fact that HDMI 1.3 functionality is dependent on both hardware and software (firmware).

I also called you out on which brand and model of pre-production receiver you had experience with. Did you forget to answer? ;)I'm not sure why you ask questions that you know I cannot answer. However, as I stated before, my information is almost two months old. That may have changed in 1.6 or 1.7, but I would rather error on the side of caution -- I don't want members to buy a new $$$ receiver later this month to decode DTS-HD MA and TrueHD bitstreams from the PS3 with that hardware, only to find that is not yet possible.

I sought a public clarification on the issue from paidgeek right here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10422354&&#post10422354), but we're waiting for a response. Until we get one, or someone has posted a 'success story' with the PS3 and a DTS-HD MA receiver, I would be very careful about claiming that capability.

Actually, the PS3 uses neither. It uses an earlier variant of the Si9134 -- the SiI9132 -- designed specifically for game consoles. Silicon Image has more than a half dozen different parts, so I can never keep the part numbers for the receivers and transmitters straight. But it doesn't change the fact that HDMI 1.3 functionality is dependent on both hardware and software (firmware).

I'm not sure why you ask questions that you know I cannot answer. However, as I stated before, my information is almost two months old. That may have changed in 1.6 or 1.7, but I would rather error on the side of caution -- I don't want members to buy a new $$$ receiver later this month to decode DTS-HD MA and TrueHD bitstreams from the PS3 with that hardware, only to find that is not yet possible.

I sought a public clarification on the issue from paidgeek right here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10422354&&#post10422354), but we're waiting for a response. Until we get one, or someone has posted a 'success story' with the PS3 and a DTS-HD MA receiver, I would be very careful about claiming that capability.

I only asked because you seemed to imply you know more than the rest of us did regarding HDMI 1.3 so I figured you may have worked for one of the receiver manufacturers. No harm no foul...

I also have the "I'll believe it when I see it" approach. According to this website, the 9132 and 9134 at least share the same video capabilities (ie. Deep Color):

http://www.secinfo.com/dr6nd.u4d.htm

Unfortunately, there is no comment on the audio capabilities. My personal opinion is that it will be easier for the source (transmitter) to get it right than the destination (receiver). Look at all the problems receiver manufacturers had when HDMI was first introduced.

What's a good receiver to use in conjunction with the PS3? My main concern is passing all of my inputs through my receiver and sending out a single HDMI connection to the TV.

I have a Samsung 61" 1080p DLP (HL-S6187W I think) with a basic 5.1 speaker setup.

What's a good receiver to use in conjunction with the PS3? My main concern is passing all of my inputs through my receiver and sending out a single HDMI connection to the TV.

I have a Samsung 61" 1080p DLP (HL-S6187W I think) with a basic 5.1 speaker setup.

If youre on a budget you might wanna look into the new onkyo hdmi 1.3 receivers.

What's a good receiver to use in conjunction with the PS3? My main concern is passing all of my inputs through my receiver and sending out a single HDMI connection to the TV.

I have a Samsung 61" 1080p DLP (HL-S6187W I think) with a basic 5.1 speaker setup.

Everyone's been very excited about the Onkyo TX-SR605 which is due out in the next few weeks. There is a special pre-order price on j&r.com that has a large set of preorders. It should give you a good platform to expand your HT. 2 HDMI inputs is the one limiting factor that has a few people looking at the 705 or greater.

-Splints

There is an excellent interview by Home Theater Sound with Tom Dixon, director of strategic marketing for DTS:

http://www.hometheatersound.com/features/hometheaterphile/

An interesting reveal is that "DTS-HD and the DTS Digital Surround Core are on a single bitstream. To deliver a lossless and legacy encode, the other format must use separate streams. A DTS-HD Master Audio encode takes up less space on the disc compared to a Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital encode."

Yes, he's a marketing guy but an interesting read nevertheless.

Everyone's been very excited about the Onkyo TX-SR605 which is due out in the next few weeks. There is a special pre-order price on j&r.com that has a large set of preorders. It should give you a good platform to expand your HT. 2 HDMI inputs is the one limiting factor that has a few people looking at the 705 or greater.

-Splints

Also with the issues that have occurred with the 674, I would wait and see what happens.

umm, so the only thing I accomplished was to get 2 people to fight about hdmi 1.3 the software side :( I guess that means no one knows when sony may do this patch then

umm, so the only thing I accomplished was to get 2 people to fight about hdmi 1.3 the software side :( I guess that means no one knows when sony may do this patch then

That would be an affirmative.

Well, I finally sprang for a PS3 that a member here was selling. Makes my FOURTH BD player ;) I really have almost no interest in games, but I imagine I'll give them a try.

Well, I finally sprang for a PS3 that a member here was selling. Makes my FOURTH BD player ;) I really have almost no interest in games, but I imagine I'll give them a try.

No need to rationalize - you are a crazy romantic after all - as your nom de screen suggests. ;)

ted

Heh, I need to rationlize my wallet ;) The question becomes whether the PS3 becomes my primary BD player or if it goes in the family room.

Anyone using their box on a LAN?

If so, can you see FAT32 drives or is the only way to move data from one source to the 3, SNEAKERNET?

If it is possible to map networked drives to the 3, can someone aim that info source at me, please?

ted

For those who didn't see, paidgeek got back today and clarified (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10457406&&#post10457406) the issue. Simply put, nothing has changed in terms of firmware support for HDMI 1.3 functionality on the PS3.

paidgeek,

As you probably know, Onkyo recently announced that its first HDMI 1.3 receivers with built-in DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD decoding would ship within a few weeks (May), with other models to follow in June. Some retailers (J&R) are/were taking preorders.

Can you confirm whether the current firmware on the Sony PS3 is capable of passing -- rather than decoding -- the full DTS-HD MA and TrueHD bitstreams to these receivers? Originally, the PS3 was unable to do that, but do you know whether that capability was added with one of the firmwares released in the past two months? Or do you expect that is something Sony will support soon after these new A/V receivers hit the market?

If that is something you could confirm with SCEI, members would appreciate it. They've got PS3s and are looking at these new A/V receivers with DTS-HD MA and TrueHD decoding, but they want to be sure they can actually take advantage of it. New products such as these command a premium at initial release, so if the ability to pass full DTS-HD MA and TrueHD bitstreams won't be added for a few months yet, members could wait and consider alternatives from other manufacturers later this summer.Sorry for the delayed response.

The PS3 does not pass advanced codecs over HDMI except for Dolby THD after decoding to PCM. I don't know if this feature will be added in the future. I fully understand why members are concerned about this, but as far as I am concerned, decoding in the player to LPCM gives us the most flexibility while maintaining sound quality.

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Sony Pictures BD InsiderOther news sites have suggested that Sony is focused on the new PS3 "Home" software, so perhaps we'll see new features like 720p Blu-ray output, DVD upconversion, and HDMI 1.3 firmware support after that.

Until Sony adds the necessary firmware support, PS3 owners do not gain anything --in terms of audio-- from a HDMI 1.3 A/V receiver. Hence, there is no need to rush out and buy a new AVR when they hit stores in a few weeks. By the time the PS3 is updated with TrueHD and DTS-HD MA bitstream output, chances are good there will be a wide selection of such receivers available at lower prices.

Thanks for updating us bfdtv. So basically he thinks decoding in the PS3 would be superior to decoding in the AVR?

Brandon

I don't care WHERE the MA audio is decoded. I just want a player that CAN decode it ;)

Maybe we'll get lucky and by the time the PS3 can pass 1.3 (which to my little brain seems like a simple matter), they'll add internal decoding for DTS-HD HR and MA, eliminating the need for a 1.3 receiver. Then we could pick up older receivers for cheap.

But I'm dreaming.

What types of video files can the PS3 read? I'm curious cause if possible, I'd like to play various video content like short films etc. that I have stored on my computer. If I can somehow get them onto the PS3, can it play them?

What types of video files can the PS3 read? I'm curious cause if possible, I'd like to play various video content like short films etc. that I have stored on my computer. If I can somehow get them onto the PS3, can it play them?

Try this: http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/video/filetypes.html

Brandon

I bought the 360 Elite and HD DVD add on this weekend. It all works great and I love it. The main reason I chose the XBOX was for the Media Extender abilities. I wanted something that easily allowed me to watch my home videos, view pictures and stream music. I also bought a 500gig hard drive. It is easy to use and works awesome.

When I went to rent an HD DVD on Sunday, though, I was sad to see that all the movies I wanted to watch were on Blu Ray.

After reading more, I know am tempted to buy a PS3, but I don't want to lose the media extender capabilities. I can't find consistent reasons to make me make the switch. How can a get my media on the PS3. If I hook up the external directly, will I lose all play list and genre capabilities? Does is load quickly?

Please help with facts. I prefer Blu Ray, but also love the media streaming.

I bought the 360 Elite and HD DVD add on this weekend. It all works great and I love it. The main reason I chose the XBOX was for the Media Extender abilities. I wanted something that easily allowed me to watch my home videos, view pictures and stream music. I also bought a 500gig hard drive. It is easy to use and works awesome.

When I went to rent an HD DVD on Sunday, though, I was sad to see that all the movies I wanted to watch were on Blu Ray.

After reading more, I know am tempted to buy a PS3, but I don't want to lose the media extender capabilities. I can't find consistent reasons to make me make the switch. How can a get my media on the PS3. If I hook up the external directly, will I lose all play list and genre capabilities? Does is load quickly?

Please help with facts. I prefer Blu Ray, but also love the media streaming.

Does it have to be a switch? Can't you just use the 360 for media along with the PS3, or are you going to get rid of the 360 when you get the PS3?

Does it have to be a switch? Can't you just use the 360 for media along with the PS3, or are you going to get rid of the 360 when you get the PS3?

I wish I could keep both, but it would stretch my finances a bit much.

Other news sites have suggested that Sony is focused on the new PS3 "Home" software, so perhaps we'll see new features like 720p Blu-ray output, DVD upconversion, and HDMI 1.3 firmware support after that.



Paidgeek also said 720p Blu-ray output is "low priority."

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10457822&&#post10457822

You could return the Elite and wait to see when they get out their 65 nm chips.

One big problem with the X360 is reliablity. It's noisy and there are stories of the three rings of death everywhere.

Aren't there dedicated media extenders anyways which are a couple of hundred? AppleTV is a possiblity but it doesn't support AVI or Divx media out of the box.

Paidgeek also said 720p Blu-ray output is "low priority."

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10457822&&#post10457822

I agree with PG that 720p is "low priority" since most displays have at least a 1080i mode. Stinks for those of us who wanted the PS3 to be the all-in-one video machine but we did buy a game console, right? I think most of us would not feel cheated by what we paid for the PS3 if it never got another firmware update. It's an amazing media center and beautiful to boot.

If you had $600 to spend and could choose *any* hi def DVD player (blu ray or HD) of any type, including the PS3 -- would you still buy it? Is it really the best player out there (aside from games and media capability) or would you choose another?

Thanks,
Jeff

I'd wait for the new Blu-Ray players with BD-Live features, although the PS3 may get a firmware update to get the new features.

As for Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD, this Xmas season will tell a lot about sales, selection of titles and so forth.

It's not going to decide the war but it may demonstrate some trends. Neither is ready to displace DVD but DVD sales may slow down. Or at least the sales growth rate.

Until Sony adds the necessary firmware support, PS3 owners do not gain anything --in terms of audio-- from a HDMI 1.3 A/V receiver. Hence, there is no need to rush out and buy a new AVR when they hit stores in a few weeks. By the time the PS3 is updated with TrueHD and DTS-HD MA bitstream output, chances are good there will be a wide selection of such receivers available at lower prices.I think you mean specifically, an HDMI 1.3 AVR that decodes Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. One can buy an HDMI 1.3 AVR that does not decode these high-res codecs.

Hmm, well this really mucks-up my plans. Do I buy an HDMI receiver now and get greatly improved audio via high-res codecs decoded to PCM (big improvement over current toslink). But I won't get the fully Monty Dolby True-HD and DTS-HD MA. Or, I'd have to buy another BD or HD player that does pass or decode the high-res codecs. Or, hope that the PS3 passes or decodes these codecs. Nothing that can be done now... :(

I think you mean specifically, an HDMI 1.3 AVR that decodes Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. One can buy an HDMI 1.3 AVR that does not decode these high-res codecs.

Hmm, well this really mucks-up my plans. Do I buy an HDMI receiver now and get greatly improved audio via high-res codecs decoded to PCM (big improvement over current toslink). But that when all falls into place, I won't get the fully Monty Dolby True-HD and DTS-HD MA. Or, I'd have to buy another BD or HD player that does pass or decode the high-res codecs. Or, hope that the PS3 passes or decodes these codecs. Nothing that can be done now... :(

from the insider thread

Isn't there a "bitstream" output format for HDMI audio already? If so, that should be all you need to set. If the receiver supports 1.3 and does MA decoding, then it should "just work." (says he, holding his fingers crossed, given the mess that HDMI is as far as compatibility). If the decoded sound coming out of the PS3 was analog then I would want the decoding done on the AVR instead.

But yes, you would lose interactivity sound plus picture in picture, etc. Same is true of BD format btw. I seem to recall that on the Samsung, one of its outputs has interactivity sounds, and the other does not! The same would happen here in that your analog/SPDIF output will have interactivity and HDMI not. As a work-around, you could hook up both connections and switch between them, say, to listen to Picture in Picture sound. This would be a good test to see how motivated people really are to get that last bit of quality they think they are not getting .

Also, always hearing the interactivity sound is not a mandatory thing. The player must support them, yes. But they can also put in optional features that defeat it such as the above. Content owners are sure to complain, but if the feature is reserved for high-end solutions, maybe it won't be as bad....

Finally, please hang in there until I confirm this is really there.

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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10464705#post10464705


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I still havent heard a really good argument on why the AVR should do the decoding and like Amir said above you lose the interactivity sound tracks doing it. So assuming the PS3 will eventually be able to decode all the new codecs a AVR that supports mulitple PCM streams via HDMI seems good enough to me.

Correct. Read the "why you don't need HDMI 1.3" thread in the receivers section.

I still havent heard a really good argument on why the AVR should do the decoding and like Amir said above you lose the interactivity sound tracks doing it. So assuming the PS3 will eventually be able to decode all the new codecs a AVR that supports mulitple PCM streams via HDMI seems good enough to me. I assume Amir said this about HD-DVD players and HDMI 1.3 receivers. Always take a container of salt when he talks about BD though.

As for the interactive sounds, you only want to hear it when you're accessing the special features during the movie. If not and you're just watching the movie, you really don't want your experience to be ruined as already the audio is going to be lossless.


fuad

I assume Amir said this about HD-DVD players and HDMI 1.3 receivers. Always take a container of salt when he talks about BD though.

Indeed.

Brandon

Correct. Read the "why you don't need HDMI 1.3" thread in the receivers section.Thanks for pointing this out. It's in the 'Audio Area", and the forum name is "AMPS, Receivers, and Processors".

Hello Everyone. I recently went from a sharp 1080P set to the Pioneer 5070HD. Since my PS# is set to output 1080P, the set just blinks on and off. I was wondering how I can get into the menu to switch it out of 1080P? Do I need to hook up my composite cables? Thanks in advance.

Hello Everyone. I recently went from a sharp 1080P set to the Pioneer 5070HD. Since my PS# is set to output 1080P, the set just blinks on and off. I was wondering how I can get into the menu to switch it out of 1080P? Do I need to hook up my composite cables? Thanks in advance.


Nope. Just hold down the PS power switch on the actual console itself(the one next to the eject button)for five seconds(you will here a beep) and it will revert back to a much lower resolution. Then go back in and set it for 1080i or whatever you want to. You must do this with the actual button on the console and not with the controller or remote.

I got my PS3 today (along with Spider-Man: Collector's Edition). I'm about to go set it up... :)

~Alan

Nope. Just hold down the PS power switch on the actual console itself(the one next to the eject button)for five seconds(you will here a beep) and it will revert back to a much lower resolution. Then go back in and set it for 1080i or whatever you want to. You must do this with the actual button on the console and not with the controller or remote.

Is this when powering up or when the PS3 is already on? Thanks a ton.

When powering up from being off. Just hold down the switch until you hear the beep.

What do others do to get one output from the PS3 to your plasma and the other to your projector?

I have the one and only HDMI going to my projector but would also like to get an image on the plasma, how can I do this?

Thanks in advance :confused:

You need an HDMI switcher that has a dual HDMI output. Monoprice.com carries them and so do a lot of other stores like Ram Electronics. You just have to make sure it is compatible with the PS3. HDMI handshake issues have been a problem with various components.

You need an HDMI switcher that has a dual HDMI output. Monoprice.com carries them and so do a lot of other stores like Ram Electronics. You just have to make sure it is compatible with the PS3. HDMI handshake issues have been a problem with various components.

Will these work if you are using and HDMI reciever like the Yamaha 2700?

Do you split the "one" HDMI out from the reciever to the 1 in 2 out HDMI switcher?

Will these work if you are using and HDMI reciever like the Yamaha 2700?

Do you split the "one" HDMI out from the reciever to the 1 in 2 out HDMI switcher? From the receiver, feed the signal to a HDMI splitter. From there, hook it up to as many signal that is there on the splitter.

Usually unpowered splitters can only do TWO HDMI OUTS. Powered ones can do more. Make sure that the splitters are HDCP compliant.


fuad

I got my PS3 today (along with Spider-Man: Collector's Edition). I'm about to go set it up... :)

~Alan
Congrats and welcome. Don't be too disappinted with Spiderman 3. Get Motorstorm for some real fun and then start getting into Blu-ray movies. :)

Yes, another “ how to get surround sound” question.

I’ve been following this thread off and on since Christmas, and finally picked one up the other day. Everything seems to work fine except I can only get stereo sound from my first BR movie, Night at the museum.

Those in the know must be getting tired of this “my apologies” but I still can’t seem to get it right.

My system.
Sony play station 3 with HDMI to DVI adapter to Samsung HLN 55” DLP. Picture is ok, but not sure if I’m getting 720P.

Using an optical cable from the play station to Pioneer Elite VSX-55TXi. Input 2 assigned to DVD/LD.

Play station set to optical and bit stream at both locations.

BD/DVD Settings: Audio output = optical / bit stream
Audio output setting: Digital out / optical / bit stream.
Check all formats. Can’t uncheck the two PCM settings.

I still only get stereo sound. I’m sure I’m just overlooking something, but can’t seem to figure it out. Reading manuals now, but getting more confused. Can someone here give me a step-by-step procedure or point me in the right direction?

Regards,

Windoor.

Watched Happy Feet Blu-ray on my PS3 to a 1080P TV---simply amazing. Smiles all around. The sound track was amazing---Happy Feet will be my first Blu-ray disc.

Yes, another “ how to get surround sound” question.

I’ve been following this thread off and on since Christmas, and finally picked one up the other day. Everything seems to work fine except I can only get stereo sound from my first BR movie, Night at the museum.

Those in the know must be getting tired of this “my apologies” but I still can’t seem to get it right.

My system.
Sony play station 3 with HDMI to DVI adapter to Samsung HLN 55” DLP. Picture is ok, but not sure if I’m getting 720P.

Using an optical cable from the play station to Pioneer Elite VSX-55TXi. Input 2 assigned to DVD/LD.

Play station set to optical and bit stream at both locations.

BD/DVD Settings: Audio output = optical / bit stream
Audio output setting: Digital out / optical / bit stream.
Check all formats. Can’t uncheck the two PCM settings.

I still only get stereo sound. I’m sure I’m just overlooking something, but can’t seem to figure it out. Reading manuals now, but getting more confused. Can someone here give me a step-by-step procedure or point me in the right direction?

Regards,

Windoor.

Appears that you have correctly configured the PS3.

I'm not familiar with the Elite receiver, other than the fact that it is relatively new and should handle everything okay. However, I presume that it shows what kind of a signal it is receiving (i.e., DD, DTS, PCM, etc.). If it correctly shows DD (3.2.1), then you should have normal DD allocation of sound across the speakers. What does it show?

I have a feeling it is in the setup of the receiver. Does it work correctly with other inputs? Even if you were receiving pcm (stereo), the DD II function should allocate sound between all the speakers. Just thought, my Outlaw pre amp has a stereo function where it takes any input and restricts it to stereo (i.e., two front speakers). Maybe, you have something like that implemented for that particular input on your receiver.

Yes, another “ how to get surround sound” question.

I’ve been following this thread off and on since Christmas, and finally picked one up the other day. Everything seems to work fine except I can only get stereo sound from my first BR movie, Night at the museum.

Those in the know must be getting tired of this “my apologies” but I still can’t seem to get it right.

My system.
Sony play station 3 with HDMI to DVI adapter to Samsung HLN 55” DLP. Picture is ok, but not sure if I’m getting 720P.

Using an optical cable from the play station to Pioneer Elite VSX-55TXi. Input 2 assigned to DVD/LD.

Play station set to optical and bit stream at both locations.

BD/DVD Settings: Audio output = optical / bit stream
Audio output setting: Digital out / optical / bit stream.
Check all formats. Can’t uncheck the two PCM settings.

I still only get stereo sound. I’m sure I’m just overlooking something, but can’t seem to figure it out. Reading manuals now, but getting more confused. Can someone here give me a step-by-step procedure or point me in the right direction?

Regards,

Windoor.

What audio option are you selecting on the BD? If you select PCM you will only get 2 channels. You need to select DD or DTS to get 5.1 through optical.

Anyone using their box on a LAN?

If so, can you see FAT32 drives or is the only way to move data from one source to the 3, SNEAKERNET?

If it is possible to map networked drives to the 3, can someone aim that info source at me, please?

ted

I would also like an answer to this.

Appears that you have correctly configured the PS3.

I'm not familiar with the Elite receiver, other than the fact that it is relatively new and should handle everything okay. However, I presume that it shows what kind of a signal it is receiving (i.e., DD, DTS, PCM, etc.). If it correctly shows DD (3.2.1), then you should have normal DD allocation of sound across the speakers. What does it show?

I have a feeling it is in the setup of the receiver. Does it work correctly with other inputs? Even if you were receiving pcm (stereo), the DD II function should allocate sound between all the speakers. Just thought, my Outlaw pre amp has a stereo function where it takes any input and restricts it to stereo (i.e., two front speakers). Maybe, you have something like that implemented for that particular input on your receiver.Exactly. This is what I thought before reading your reply.

Windoor, perhaps your receiver is set to the wrong input, or it's in a 'direct' or 'pure direct' stereo setting.

Or maybe he has the wrong track selected on the actual movie disc?

Brandon

Also with the issues that have occurred with the 674, I would wait and see what happens.
Thanks jedurocher, this is actually what I was more concerned about. I wanted to know what recievers people were using that they could confirm did not have any problems with the PS3.

I've been looking at the following:

Onkyo 674
Harmon Kardon 247
Harmon Kardon 347
Denon 2307CI
Denon 2807
Yamaha V661

Really my only goal is to pass everything to my TV via a single HDMI cable. The PS3 would be my primary DVD (both old and BD) player and I also play games on it. So I'm just looking for a AVR that doesn't have popping audio or flickering video issues.

Suggestions? What is everyone on this thread using? I'm okay with pretty much anything that's under $1,200 that's been proven to have no issues.

Appears that you have correctly configured the PS3.

I'm not familiar with the Elite receiver, other than the fact that it is relatively new and should handle everything okay. However, I presume that it shows what kind of a signal it is receiving (i.e., DD, DTS, PCM, etc.). If it correctly shows DD (3.2.1), then you should have normal DD allocation of sound across the speakers. What does it show?

I have a feeling it is in the setup of the receiver. Does it work correctly with other inputs? Even if you were receiving pcm (stereo), the DD II function should allocate sound between all the speakers. Just thought, my Outlaw pre amp has a stereo function where it takes any input and restricts it to stereo (i.e., two front speakers). Maybe, you have something like that implemented for that particular input on your receiver.


I'm thinking its the receiver too. It worked fine with the Bravo D1 player I was using, but that was using a coaxial digital cable to imput 3. re-assigned imput 2 for the playstation DVD/LD using optical. Receiver says stereo and that's what I'm getting. I must not having something set right on the receiver. Still reading the manual.

The PCM check marks on the play station cannot be un-checked. Is that right?

Regards,

Windoor

Exactly. This is what I thought before reading your reply.

Windoor, perhaps your receiver is set to the wrong input, or it's in a 'direct' or 'pure direct' stereo setting.


Bingo! Don't know how it got that way, but somehow it got in stereo direct, so everything was downmixed to stereo. Feeling kinda dumb, but glad its working now.

Thanks so much for the replies. Love this forum.

Regards,

Windoor

From the receiver, feed the signal to a HDMI splitter. From there, hook it up to as many signal that is there on the splitter.

Usually unpowered splitters can only do TWO HDMI OUTS. Powered ones can do more. Make sure that the splitters are HDCP compliant.


fuad
Dan Hitchman says to use a switcher you say to use a splitter, is that what you mean?

I have used a 1 in 2 out splitter (powered) and they dont work on the Yamaha 2700. Sometimes you vcan get an image on the projector or plasma but its very hit and miss :cool:

Okay, I've searched through this thread and I'm confused. I have a PS3 that I have connected to my Onkyo 803S receiver via HDMI. The Onkyo, to the best of my knowledge is HDMI 1.1 compliant.

Here's the problem: when I try to place multichannel SACDs (stupid me, I know), in particular "Hourglass" by James Taylor, it's almost always played back in 2-channel rather than 5.1. Thing is: I don't have any such problem when watching movies. Uncompressed PCM is played back, in all its glory, just fine.

I have switched between "Bitstream" and "PCM" and it doesn't seem to make a difference.

I don't have this problem with my Oppo 970HD: it's SACD problem are different. But it will play multichannel SACD via the HDMI output just fine, thank you.

Am I missing something?

Thank you.

Bingo! Don't know how it got that way, but somehow it got in stereo direct, so everything was downmixed to stereo. Feeling kinda dumb, but glad its working now.

Thanks so much for the replies. Love this forum.

Regards,

Windoor
I know how you feel on something like that. I installed a friends soundcard once and I couldn't get any sound of it . At first I thought he had a bad card, or that there was a conflict with the onboard sound. I came to find out that somewhere in the software settings there was a mute option I couldn't find to get it to work right.

Suggestions? What is everyone on this thread using? I'm okay with pretty much anything that's under $1,200 that's been proven to have no issues. You'd wanna wait until the end of the month when the reviews of the new Onkyo receiver with TrueHD and DTS HDMA decoding comes in. Not too long a wait.


fuad

Dan Hitchman says to use a switcher you say to use a splitter, is that what you mean?

I have used a 1 in 2 out splitter (powered) and they dont work on the Yamaha 2700. Sometimes you vcan get an image on the projector or plasma but its very hit and miss :cool: This is your original post:

What do others do to get one output from the PS3 to your plasma and the other to your projector?

I have the one and only HDMI going to my projector but would also like to get an image on the plasma, how can I do this? Once the video leaves your receiver, you want to display it on projector or plasma, yes?

IF you want the video on your projector or plasma, you want a switcher. You can then choose where the signal goes.

IF you want the video on both projector AND plasma, you want a splitter. You can then choose to turn on whichever device, or turn both on.


fuad

Here's the problem: when I try to place multichannel SACDs (stupid me, I know), in particular "Hourglass" by James Taylor, it's almost always played back in 2-channel rather than 5.1. Thing is: I don't have any such problem when watching movies. Uncompressed PCM is played back, in all its glory, just fine. SACDs come in two flavors, as you may know. SACDs and hybrid SACDs. SACDs also comes with either stereo or multichannel. Usually a multichannel release also has a stereo layer.

When you put in a multichannel SACD into the PS3, under Music shows TWO different versions of the album - stereo and multichannel. Choose Multichannel to listen to it in multichannel.

When you put in a multichannel hybrid SACD into the PS3, under Music shows THREE different versions of the album - Redbook stereo, DSD stereo and DSD multichannel. Choose DSD Multichannel to listen to it in multichannel.

I see that Hourglass is an SACD release. So you should only see two options on your PS3.


fuad

Just a question, sorry but I'm new...When I read a Blu-Ray Disc in 720p it's really this resolution or not? I've just the choice with 576p/1080i and 1080p?

When you put in a multichannel SACD into the PS3, under Music shows TWO different versions of the album - stereo and multichannel. Choose Multichannel to listen to it in multichannel.

When you put in a multichannel hybrid SACD into the PS3, under Music shows THREE different versions of the album - Redbook stereo, DSD stereo and DSD multichannel. Choose DSD Multichannel to listen to it in multichannel.

I see that Hourglass is an SACD release. So you should only see two options on your PS3.

Thanks, WriteSimple. After I posted I put "Hourglass" and it worked just fine. Thinking back on the "problem," I think that the problem was with the hybrid SACDs and your point about selecting the correct version was very helpful.

We will soon find out which HDMI 1.3 features are turned ON already some time in May. The Onkyo 605 receiver will be out and will include DTS MA and Dolby TrueHD decoding.

Are there any running bets as to what will happen when you change the HDMI audio output from PCM to bitstream and play one of these lossless formats through the Onkyo 605?What do DTS and Dolby expect to happen? If the PS3 decodes Dolby TrueHD, it is converted to LPCM. If the Onkyo AVR decodes Dolby TrueHD, does it also first get converted to LPCM? Since DTS states that DTS-HD MA or DTS-HD High Resolution decoded to LPCM is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master (lossless). So, then, what is the benefit of having (or waiting to buy) an AVR that features the new high-res codecs? It doesn't seem there is much that can be improved upon with "bit-for-bit identical".

I wanted to know what recievers people were using that they could confirm did not have any problems with the PS3.

I've been looking at the following:

Onkyo 674
Harmon Kardon 247
Harmon Kardon 347
Denon 2307CI
Denon 2807
Yamaha V661

Suggestions? What is everyone on this thread using? I'm okay with pretty much anything that's under $1,200 that's been proven to have no issues.

You may wish to add the Marantz 4001 to your list. It's working flawlessly with my ps3 and HDA1. I am running in 5.1 though and have no way to test for 7.1 issues. I do know that if I have the ps3 output 7.1, the 4001 says it's receiving it.

You may wish to add the Marantz 4001 to your list. It's working flawlessly with my ps3 and HDA1. I am running in 5.1 though and have no way to test for 7.1 issues. I do know that if I have the ps3 output 7.1, the 4001 says it's receiving it.Too late. I just placed an order for the Onkyo 705. Got a sweet deal on it (under $650), so I'm taking my chances. I'll let you know how it works once I get it.

Sorry as I'm sure this has been posted before. Does the PS3 output 1080P 24? That way the Pioneer 5070 can accept the signal?

Sorry as I'm sure this has been posted before. Does the PS3 output 1080P 24? That way the Pioneer 5070 can accept the signal?
No - but may be added with a future firmware update.

Just a question, sorry but I'm new...When I read a Blu-Ray Disc in 720p it's really this resolution or not? I've just the choice with 576p/1080i and 1080p? Most BD movies are in 1080p. You can either play it at 1080i or 1080p.

Very few titles are in 720p. If that is the case, 720p is the maximum resolution you can play it with.

Most HDTVs can accept and display a 720p and a 1080i signal. The newer HDTVs can accept 1080p via HDMI.


fuad

What do DTS and Dolby expect to happen? Don't know. Ask them.

If the PS3 decodes Dolby TrueHD, it is converted to LPCM. If the Onkyo AVR decodes Dolby TrueHD, does it also first get converted to LPCM? Decoding basically means reconstructing the original file then outputting it as PCM. Then it goes through either other DSPs within the receiver (for Music Hall mode for example) or direct to amplification.

Since DTS states that DTS-HD MA or DTS-HD High Resolution decoded to LPCM is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master (lossless). So, then, what is the benefit of having (or waiting to buy) an AVR that features the new high-res codecs? If a player does not have the decoding capability, that's where the receiver comes into play, just like how some DVD players cannot output DTS 5.1/6.1 Discrete. However, this means that the player can be cheaper as it does not have all the extra components needed. It must be a HDMI 1.3 compliant player with passthrough capability.


fuad

SACDs come in two flavors, as you may know. SACDs and hybrid SACDs. SACDs also comes with either stereo or multichannel. Usually a multichannel release also has a stereo layer.

When you put in a multichannel SACD into the PS3, under Music shows TWO different versions of the album - stereo and multichannel. Choose Multichannel to listen to it in multichannel.

When you put in a multichannel hybrid SACD into the PS3, under Music shows THREE different versions of the album - Redbook stereo, DSD stereo and DSD multichannel. Choose DSD Multichannel to listen to it in multichannel.

I see that Hourglass is an SACD release. So you should only see two options on your PS3.


fuad

Does it transfer the multichannel audio over HDMI?

I was considering the PS3 as a Blue-Ray player and am stuck as it does not upconvert. I have an HD Satellite receiver and Denon DVD-1910 feeding my audio receiver so that gives me a problem adding the PS3. My receiver has only 1 optical and 1 coaxial Dolby Digital inputs, lacking an input for the PS3 without giving up my Denon upcoverting player.

As I have a collection of DVD's I want to keep my Denon for them. Does anyone have a suggestion here? My TV is a Sony KDS-60A2000 which I just love. Not sure how well it's upconversion performs.

This is my first AV forum post, but I have been reading this forum for several years. T

hanxx for your help.

I was considering the PS3 as a Blue-Ray player and am stuck as it does not upconvert. I have an HD Satellite receiver and Denon DVD-1910 feeding my audio receiver so that gives me a problem adding the PS3. My receiver has only 1 optical and 1 coaxial Dolby Digital inputs, lacking an input for the PS3 without giving up my Denon upcoverting player.

As I have a collection of DVD's I want to keep my Denon for them. Does anyone have a suggestion here? My TV is a Sony KDS-60A2000 which I just love. Not sure how well it's upconversion performs.

This is my first AV forum post, but I have been reading this forum for several years. T

hanxx for your help.

This is what I use on my setup and I have the 55 inch SXRD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16878104209

Does it transfer the multichannel audio over HDMI?

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: From the PS3 to a One Bit Audio elgible receiver (HDMI 1.2+) you will pass SACD DSD. From the PS3 to a <HDMI 1.2, you will get PCM.

I was considering the PS3 as a Blue-Ray player and am stuck as it does not upconvert. I have an HD Satellite receiver and Denon DVD-1910 feeding my audio receiver so that gives me a problem adding the PS3. My receiver has only 1 optical and 1 coaxial Dolby Digital inputs, lacking an input for the PS3 without giving up my Denon upcoverting player.

As I have a collection of DVD's I want to keep my Denon for them. Does anyone have a suggestion here? My TV is a Sony KDS-60A2000 which I just love. Not sure how well it's upconversion performs.

This is my first AV forum post, but I have been reading this forum for several years. T

hanxx for your help.

Upgrade your receiver. How much can you spend? I could recommend some models for you. One optical and one digital coaxial connection sounds pretty archaic.

This is what I use on my setup and I have the 55 inch SXRD.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16878104209

This may be a nice "band-aid" solution but the serious home theater buff should really have a modern receiver with HDMI switching.

This may be a nice "band-aid" solution but the serious home theater buff should really have a modern receiver with HDMI switching.

I agree but for a cheap solution it's good. I have one and it works great. No audio drop that I can detect. It also gives several ethernet ports and HD component inputs. I don't notice a drop with anything. What receiver would you recommend. Below say $500.

I agree but for a cheap solution it's good. I have one and it works great. No audio drop that I can detect. It also gives several ethernet ports and HD component inputs. I don't notice a drop with anything. What receiver would you recommend. Below say $500.

I think this month's Onkyo 605 retails for $600 but can probably be found closer to $500 street. It's got new tech guts for "old tech" price. Only 2 HDMI in though. Most receivers in the $500 range are, unfortunately.

Anyone have trouble with purple colors through Harman Kardon AVR 645.

I just bought a H/K 645 and love the sound and the PS3 works fine with it. However, most of the time, when I play a movie (BD or DVD) and the PS3 switches resolutions and blinks a couple of times, my TV display a purple image. This never happens when I directly connected the HDMI cable from the PS3 to my TV. I am using 1080i. Anyone else have this problem.

The only way I can correct this is do at least one of the following: turn off (hard power down) the 645 and turn it back on, unplug HDMI cable from PS3 to receiver, and receiver to TV and then plug them back in.

Very frustrating.

I was considering the PS3 as a Blue-Ray player and am stuck as it does not upconvert. I have an HD Satellite receiver and Denon DVD-1910 feeding my audio receiver so that gives me a problem adding the PS3. My receiver has only 1 optical and 1 coaxial Dolby Digital inputs, lacking an input for the PS3 without giving up my Denon upcoverting player.

As I have a collection of DVD's I want to keep my Denon for them. Does anyone have a suggestion here? My TV is a Sony KDS-60A2000 which I just love. Not sure how well it's upconversion performs.

This is my first AV forum post, but I have been reading this forum for several years. T

hanxx for your help.

I have the 50A2000 and I just dropped my DVD player from the setup. The up-conversion on the A2000 is just fine. What you may notice, however, is the PS3s problem with pulldown. So it actually looks very good with video on DVD but you may notice the problem with 24 frame/sec movies (depends on how good your eye is).

I suspect this will be fixed with a software update in the not-to-distant future, so I wasn't going to worry about re-doing everything because of it. Plus, after watching Blu-Ray, you'll cringe a little at any standard DVD and will not want to watch anything that's not in hi-def anyway.

I think this month's Onkyo 605 retails for $600 but can probably be found closer to $500 street. It's got new tech guts for "old tech" price. Only 2 HDMI in though. Most receivers in the $500 range are, unfortunately.More like $400. JR.com is selling the 605 for that price, you need to call and ask for it, say you saw it online and you want to get in on that price.

The problem for me with the 605/705 is that they has no Digital Output like the 604, so I can't drive my Pioneer Dolby Surround Headphones with it. In order to get that feature with a new Onkyo receiver I'll have to spend $1k for the 805. No thanks, I think I'll stick with my $300 604, has Digital Output and even outputs from an HDMI source (that really impressed me).

In any event the 604 should be just fine if Sony keeps to their promise and the HDMI 1.3 update allows internal decoding of the new advanced formats. It should, they said it would.

I think the 605 is a great complement to the PS3 since it can decode DTS-HD Master Audio, DD Plus and TrueHD.

I think the 605 is a great complement to the PS3 since it can decode DTS-HD Master Audio, DD Plus and TrueHD.

Except that the PS3 doesn't pass those as raw over HDMI.

Has Sony indicated somewhere a future update to allow the PS3 to pass the advanced audio codecs over HDMI?

help me

i have a th50px60 plasma panasonic and when watching a 1;85:1 blu ray movie with my ps3, it leaves 3 lines of blank pixels in the upperpart of the screen and 2 lines on the bottom. Is ther anyway i can make the movie fill the whole screen. The movie is ultraviolette. the menu is filling the whole screen, the advertisement caution etc is filling the whole screen but not the movie itself.

Standard dvds have always filled the screen if they are 1:85:1.

this is annoying especially with a plasma because afterwards you have retention.

thanks for advice

help me

i have a th50px60 plasma panasonic and when watching a 1;85:1 blu ray movie with my ps3, it leaves 3 lines of blank pixels in the upperpart of the screen and 2 lines on the bottom. Is ther anyway i can make the movie fill the whole screen. The movie is ultraviolette. the menu is filling the whole screen, the advertisement caution etc is filling the whole screen but not the movie itself.

Standard dvds have always filled the screen if they are 1:85:1.

this is annoying especially with a plasma because afterwards you have retention.

thanks for advice

The aspect ratio of HDTV and the set is 1.78:1. With 1.85:1 material, there should be very small black bars on the top and bottom because 1.85:1 is a bit wider than 1.78:1 (although some studios open up their 1.85:1 films a little to 1.78:1). The menus and warning screens are 1.78:1, so they fill the screen.

See if your set has a way to increase the overscan if you want rid of the bars.

I have the 50A2000 and I just dropped my DVD player from the setup. The up-conversion on the A2000 is just fine. What you may notice, however, is the PS3s problem with pulldown. So it actually looks very good with video on DVD but you may notice the problem with 24 frame/sec movies (depends on how good your eye is).

I suspect this will be fixed with a software update in the not-to-distant future, so I wasn't going to worry about re-doing everything because of it. Plus, after watching Blu-Ray, you'll cringe a little at any standard DVD and will not want to watch anything that's not in hi-def anyway.

The replies have been helpful. I will keep the HDMI switching box info, and see how well the SXRD handles upconversion of my DVD's. Having replaced my VCR's with DVDs, I am not too happy for a third trip on content.

In one of my Video magazines I read that a HDTV is really a computer with a built-in monitor. That says it all as it's now one change after another with incompatibility issues and headaches we never really had in my many years as an audiophile.

No, I don't want to replace my receiver, as I have a Polk RMDS-1 which is a high-end theater in a box. Actually 2 boxes weighing over 150#. Very good speakers with the electronics made for Polk by Marantz. A tuner pre-amp with the power amp in the sub-woofer. I bought it in 2000 and in 2 years when I got my first HDTV and a progressive scan Toshiba DVD player with component connections I was introduced to my first incompatibility. My Toshiba HDTV with DVI/HDCP soon was the second with HDMI appearing and now my almost new Sony SXRD doesn't support HDMI 1.3. Where will it end? I will just do a work around and sacrifice convenience, but not picture or audio quality.

I have good news from another AVS thread that linked to a Business Week Interview with a top Sony executive. He confirmed that upconversion in coming for the PS3. So this may lead me to buy now, rather than wait for 2nd generation models of Blue-Ray. As someone posted several months ago, in another thread, the PS3 will have a good resale which is not true of most gear should I want to upgrade.

What does everyone here make of the "news" that the PS3 can't pass through DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD to external decoders?

http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2007/05/08/does-the-ps3-really-have-hdmi-13/

Is it nonsense?

What does everyone here make of the "news" that the PS3 can't pass through DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD to external decoders?

http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2007/05/08/does-the-ps3-really-have-hdmi-13/

Is it nonsense?

My understanding is currently this is true. Because there are no receivers currently on the market that can decode the new audio formats, the PS3 does the decoding. This ensures compatibility with legacy equipment. I believe most if not all of the next gen players (Blu and HD) have this option. There have been rumors a firmware update can change this for the PS3, but I don't know if that is definite.

What does everyone here make of the "news" that the PS3 can't pass through DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD to external decoders?

http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2007/05/08/does-the-ps3-really-have-hdmi-13/

Is it nonsense?

The article you linked has at least one inaccuracy: The PS3 uses a Silicon Image inc. “Vastlane Sil 9132″ HDMI chip and not the "Vastlane Sil9133". Check this out:

http://www.secinfo.com/dr6nd.u4d.htm (search for Vastlane Sii9132 on the page)

The 9133 is a receiver chip whereas the 9132 is a transmitter chip specifically made for consoles. While the video specs are up to par with the newer 9134 transmitter, the audio portion is still in doubt.

As pointed out by Jack in another thread, the PS3's hardware capability may not even matter if the studios won't allow bitstream content to pass:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10489917&&#post10489917

Long answer: From the PS3 to a One Bit Audio elgible receiver (HDMI 1.2+) you will pass SACD DSD. From the PS3 to a <HDMI 1.2, you will get PCM.
Umm, are you 100% certain of that? Could you please provide some additional "proof"? I have a feeling PS3 always outputs PCM from SACD.

Umm, are you 100% certain of that? Could you please provide some additional "proof"? I have a feeling PS3 always outputs PCM from SACD.

Actually, I treated the PS3 like the typical SACD player w/HDMI 1.2+ connection. I will go home tonight to see if it will feed my HDMI 1.2 receiver DSD streams instead of PCM. If you can select bitstream for DD/DTS, I can't see why you couldn't do the same for SACD.

The many, many places I have read about it online all say or imply that the PS3 converts the DSD to hi rez PCM before sending it out the HDMI port.

I would be nothing but pleased to discover I am wrong though.

BB

My Pioneer Elite VSX82, which is HDMI 1.2a, shows 24/176 while playing SACDs.

1) Is it okay to leave the PS3 in standby or should I always power it off from the back also?

2) Is it bad to leave discs in the PS3 when it's off?

3) Can someone list a few Sony discs that have the test patterns for calibration besides Talledega Nights (not renting it again)?

Thanks and I hope everyone is enjoying their PS3!

Can I play music and other media from my HTPC on my PS3 over the LAN and visa versa?

Try this: http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/video/filetypes.html

Brandon

Can you copy data from CD-R's and DVD-R's to the PS3 hard drive?

1) Is it okay to leave the PS3 in standby or should I always power it off from the back also?

Standby is ok.

2) Is it bad to leave discs in the PS3 when it's off?

It's not bad to leave the discs in but the PS3 has an annoying habit of autoplaying a BD or game in the PS3. correction? new firmware allows autostart to be disabled.

3) Can someone list a few Sony discs that have the test patterns for calibration besides Talledega Nights (not renting it again)?

Pretty much any disc produced by Sony. Movies that have it include Monster House, House of Flying Daggers, etc. A full list can be found here:

http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/bluray/

Thanks and I hope everyone is enjoying their PS3!

Check my replies above.

Can you copy data from CD-R's and DVD-R's to the PS3 hard drive? Only if the files can be read by the PS3.


fuad

Grubert, can you update the first post in this thread? I see an error in the current version the PS3 features - I believe it reads 1.5, where the current is 1.7??

Also, a great element to include in the first post would be the codecs the PS3 decodes, and then separately, the codecs the PS3 passes in bitstream. This is a continual question in multiple threads.

There may be additional points that need updating/editing. Thanks.

The many, many places I have read about it online all say or imply that the PS3 converts the DSD to hi rez PCM before sending it out the HDMI port.

I would be nothing but pleased to discover I am wrong though.

BB

You guys are right. DSD SACD from the PS3 is not possible (PCM only). I guess Sony wanted to take all the guesswork out of the picture. Makes sense.

There's all these rumors going around about the PS3 not being able to pass bitstream TrueHD and DTS-HD MA signal's through it's HDMI 1.3 connection. Then, the questions becomes, why would PS3 DVD audio settings have a "bitstream" under HDMI audio output? Would that just be for DD and DTS core tracks? Seems doubtful.

It's not a "rumor", it's been tested with DTS-HD MA already.

Since nobody has a 1.3 receiver I don't see how it could be "tested", yet.

TrueHD (all 1? title) can be converted to LPCM, so it's a moot point.
DTS-HDMA support is promised "coming soon".

Neither can be output via bitstream (yeah I guess the option is there strictly for legacy AC3/DTS), and actually that function is restricted on certain titles (or at least, can be restricted) by Hollywood. :(

Are there any BD players at all that can bitstream the advanced HD codecs?

Since the preferred method is actually to have the player convert to LPCM - so that interactive sounds can be mixed in - the whole issue is pretty insignificant. Though, the PS3 does need to get on the ball with DTS-HDMA support...

Again... it has been tested. People do get samples of receivers you know. It doesn't pass it yet.

Just unpacked my Yamaha rx-v1700 avr and all I can say is ****ing wow. Hearing LPCM uncompressed for the first time in casino royale is bloody awesome. I tempted to say that the difference between lpcm and normal dts is a bigger “wow” than sdtv vs hdtv.

I do have a question about the sampling rate. The ps3 has 3 options for outputting LPCM ranging from 48 khz to 192 khz. Am I right in assuming that in theory a sampling rate of 192 khz should better? How do you actually select which one of the 3 to use? My casino royale automatically runs on LPCM @ 48 khz. Does it depend on the dvd or is there a way for me to change it to LPCM @ 192 khz?

Thanks

kabraal - you answered your own question. The sample rate is determined by the source disk. All the BD movies I have watched that have PCM, are all at 48kHz. None at even 96kHz. Just use the automatic HDMI audio setup on the PS3 and it will automatically check all the audio options that are supported by your AVR.

Umm, are you 100% certain of that? Could you please provide some additional "proof"? I have a feeling PS3 always outputs PCM from SACD.

I use a Yamaha 661 HDMI 1.2a receiver, which has a DSD decoder as part of the HDMI 1.2a spec.

The PS3 does NOT pass DSD; it decodes to PCM over the HDMI link. (192K 5.1 PCM, but still.)

As far as I know, the PS3 sends all its sound via HDMI as PCM. It can do up to 7.1 PCM, and it decodes DSD on SACD and TrueHD on BD discs as well. It just can't decode DTS-MA yet (the core DTS stream decodes fine however), and it can't pass any bitstreams for HD audio at all. This was confirmed on the insider's thread and via Engadget HD.

and it can't pass any bitstreams for HD audio at all. This was confirmed on the insider's thread and via Engadget HD.

Are there any players that can? I just noticed that the Samsung BDP 1200 got a great review, but I know it doesn't decode the HD audio formats. Can it pass the bitstream to an AVR?

Brandon

Are there any players that can? I just noticed that the Samsung BDP 1200 got a great review, but I know it doesn't decode the HD audio formats. Can it pass the bitstream to an AVR?It can't with the current firmware.

A future update may add that functionality.

Anyone using their box on a LAN?

If so, can you see FAT32 drives or is the only way to move data from one source to the 3, SNEAKERNET?

If it is possible to map networked drives to the 3, can someone aim that info source at me, please?

ted

Well I have found two choices in this matter. First, would be load YDL on your PS3 and then boot to Linux when wanting to use the PS3 for media. The second is a utility I came across on the Playstation Underground forums. I don't recall the exact name but will see if I can find it (try to stay off the Playstation forums at work). Anyway, this utility is basically a web server you install on your PC and then grant access to your PS3 to access your PC. You then get a file browser using the PS3's web brower pointed to your PC and you can download music and video to the PS3 (another tool is available to convert videos into a format for PS3). If you want to view pictures you can actually just click on them in the web browser and they will show. With music and video you have to save it to the PS3 to use it.

What types of video files can the PS3 read? I'm curious cause if possible, I'd like to play various video content like short films etc. that I have stored on my computer. If I can somehow get them onto the PS3, can it play them?

As I referenced earlier there is a tool (well probably several) you can get to convert videos that are not currently supported.

I will see if I can find the links to these tools again. I have them loaded on my home PC and they work just fine. I think I might try a different video converter though. The one I have seemed to mess up the sound a bit.

So far I am still loving my PS3. This tool has added to my enjoyment. That plus I just recently got my Panasonic PT-AX100U projector. Motorstorm at 92" is AWESOME! The PS3 set the video to 1080p when I connected it to the pj and BD also look great at the larger size. I haven't watched much yet as I am waiting for a lens to do a CIH setup.

I just realized I has some questions I haven't seen the answers to. First off, is there a list of the changes in update 1.7? Did I miss some threads? (probably since I was so focused on my pj) I have never had a freeze up question and I have never disabled the network connection.

So the PS3 doesn't seem to output both from the HDMI and the standard connection cable included with the PS3 at the same time. If you hold down the power button for 5 seconds at startup, does it reset all the system settings or just the video? Is there any AVR's out there can can take an HDMI video in and not only output via HDMI but output composite video as well? Probably a question for the receivers forum. The reason I am asking is since I have a projector now I don't want to turn it on just to listen to music stored on the PS3. I am thinking about getting a portable DVD player screen to connect to the system.

As for sound I am trying to understand all of this. Right now the PS3 well take a Dolby True HD signal and output it as PCM. It will also output a pure LPCM track if that is on the disc. So what does it output when it plays a disc with DTS HD-MA? Just the DTS core or is there a PCM track it outputs? So if you have an HDMI receiver that does decode these new formats it doesn't matter as you can just listen to the PCM tracks the PS3 sends out?

You might give this a try:

http://www.redkawa.com/fileserver/

I'm on a Mac so I haven't tried it.

RedKawa Media Center X can show pictures but the MP3 player does not work yet, and videos have to be converted to FLV (Flash). It can be used to copy files over the LAN, but they have to be copied 1 at a time. No folders, no multiple copy, etc.... Big pain in the....

If you want to copy lots of files, the best way is still Sneakernet (copy to a USB drive, then to PS3...)

I am about to order a new Onkyo SR805 which decodes HDMI 1.3. we shall see.

which BD player do you have? It's not the PS3, is it? :(

We need to start riding Sony's ass until they get the Blu-ray side of the PS3's sh*t together. Let them know that this stuff cannot be way down on their "to do" list for this console. It will be a major PR disaster if this stuff doesn't get fixed, especially since this seems to be a cornerstone of their PS3 marketing campaign.

Dan

Don't know. Ask them. That's now the second time you've been a bit of a pill towards my post, faud. You've taken my question out of context. My full post was

"What do DTS and Dolby expect to happen? If the PS3 decodes Dolby TrueHD, it is converted to LPCM. If the Onkyo AVR decodes Dolby TrueHD, does it also first get converted to LPCM? Since DTS states that DTS-HD MA or DTS-HD High Resolution decoded to LPCM is bit-for-bit identical to the studio master (lossless). So, then, what is the benefit of having (or waiting to buy) an AVR that features the new high-res codecs? It doesn't seem there is much that can be improved upon with "bit-for-bit identical".

... which was in response to Dan Hitchman's post of

"Are there any running bets as to what will happen when you change the HDMI audio output from PCM to bitstream and play one of these lossless formats through the Onkyo 605"?

If you're not able to keep from responding in a condescending tone (your first response to me) or in a sarcastic tone (this response), do not respond at all.

"Don't know. Ask them". In no manner is that being helpful, faud. I'll say it again, we're ALL trying to learn something in this forum (or almost all). There are only two roles in this forum - teacher and learner. The type of behavior you've twice exhibited has no place here.

I just saw a video review about the quality of SD DVDs on the Sony PS3 that was shown on DL.TV online. According to the "expert" the PS3 is OK when it comes to being a Blu-Ray player. I thought from the reviews/thoughts by users here that the PS3 is a very good Blu-Ray player. So what do you guys think?

I just saw a video review about the quality of SD DVDs on the Sony PS3 that was shown on DL.TV online. According to the "expert" the PS3 is OK when it comes to being a Blu-Ray player. I thought from the reviews/thoughts by users here that the PS3 is a very good Blu-Ray player. So what do you guys think?

Since this was a review of the SD DVD capabilities is that what the "expert" was commenting on? Saying that the PS3 was an OK SD player compared to other BluRay players?

We need to start riding Sony's ass until they get the Blu-ray side of the PS3's sh*t together. Let them know that this stuff cannot be way down on their "to do" list for this console. It will be a major PR disaster if this stuff doesn't get fixed, especially since this seems to be a cornerstone of their PS3 marketing campaign.

Dan

The only thing not working is DTS-HD MA.

The blu-ray side of the PS3 is working great for me, I haven't personally watched any movies with DTS-HD MA available yet.

Do you realize that the PCM track that is on a lot of blu-rays is lossless? The only thing not using DTS-HD MA (or TrueHD for that matter) costs you is space, and as long as it isn't reducing the quality of the encodes then who cares.

I have a PS3 and an old Pioneer THX amp not capable of decoding DTS, but it seems that certain Fox titles only contain DTS soundtracks (Kingdom of Heaven for one).

Can the PS3 output the sound as stereo (perhaps through the analog output) or am I unable to watch (hear) Fox titles until a buy a new amp/reciever?

Since this was a review of the SD DVD capabilities is that what the "expert" was commenting on? Saying that the PS3 was an OK SD player compared to other BluRay players?

No, about the SD DVD capability he said the PS3 basically sucked but as a Blu-Ray he said it was just OK.

Here is the LINK TO THE REVIEW (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2124929,00.asp)

No, about the SD DVD capability he said the PS3 basically sucked but as a Blu-Ray he said it was just OK.

Here is the LINK TO THE REVIEW (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2124929,00.asp)

In terms of value, I think the PS3 has all the other BD players beat bar none! Here's what I got for my $600:

1) One of the fastest and most upgradeable BD players
2) Next gen gaming console
3) Pretty awesome slideshow pic viewer for family
4) Music jukebox/SACD capability

Ok, it's not an all-in-one video machine because of its SD quality but the next closest value is the Samsung BDP1200 w/the Reon chip and it retails for $200 more and you won't get the fun factor the PS3 offers.

Videophiles should buy the BDP1200. For everyone else, the PS3 is a great BD player w/some fun on the side.

In terms of value, I think the PS3 has all the other BD players beat bar none! Here's what I got for my $600:

1) One of the fastest and most upgradeable BD players
2) Next gen gaming console
3) Pretty awesome slideshow pic viewer for family
4) Music jukebox/SACD capability

Ok, it's not an all-in-one video machine because of its SD quality but the next closest value is the Samsung BDP1200 w/the Reon chip and it retails for $200 more and you won't get the fun factor the PS3 offers.

Videophiles should buy the BDP1200. For everyone else, the PS3 is a great BD player w/some fun on the side.And for my $600, I got a FREE BD player. I didn't really expect to become interested in BD technology so soon - wanted to let things settle a bit more, mature a bit. So I expected only a next-gen game console. I got a free BD player, a free browser (on my primary display in my viewing room). Great deal from my POV.

You guys make excellent points. For SD DVD viewing im very happy with my HD-A1 and don't think i'll be returning my new PS3 since it has so much more to offer.

Do you realize that the PCM track that is on a lot of blu-rays is lossless? The only thing not using DTS-HD MA (or TrueHD for that matter) costs you is space, and as long as it isn't reducing the quality of the encodes then who cares.Unfortunately, that is exactly what LPCM is doing. Due to bandwidth and/or space constraints, most studios downconvert their 24/48 LPCM tracks to lower 16/48 fidelity, more comparable to what you get with Dolby Digital.

Buena Vista (Disney) has begun to release more of its BD50 titles with 24/48 LPCM, but every other studio downconverts 24/48 LPCM to 16/48. And most titles still use BD25, which lacks sufficient space for 24/48 LPCM in most cases.

There are about three times as many 24/48 DTS-HD MA titles as there are 24/48 LPCM titles.

Unfortunately, that is exactly what LPCM is doing. Due to bandwidth and/or space constraints, most studios downconvert their 24/48 LPCM tracks to lower 16/48 fidelity, more comparable to what you get with Dolby Digital.

Buena Vista (Disney) has begun to release more of its BD50 titles with 24/48 LPCM, but every other studio downconverts 24/48 LPCM to 16/48. And most titles still use BD25, which lacks sufficient space for 24/48 LPCM in most cases.

There are about three times as many 24/48 DTS-HD MA titles as there are 24/48 LPCM titles.

Good post, I knew most were coming out as 16/48, this is the first time I have seen any advantage to DTS-HD MA.

thanks for the info

In terms of value, I think the PS3 has all the other BD players beat bar none! Here's what I got for my $600:

1) One of the fastest and most upgradeable BD players
2) Next gen gaming console
3) Pretty awesome slideshow pic viewer for family
4) Music jukebox/SACD capability

Ok, it's not an all-in-one video machine because of its SD quality but the next closest value is the Samsung BDP1200 w/the Reon chip and it retails for $200 more and you won't get the fun factor the PS3 offers.

Videophiles should buy the BDP1200. For everyone else, the PS3 is a great BD player w/some fun on the side.

Don't forget the trailers, when I have a group getting settled for a movie I will often play a few trailers (1080p of course) that I downloaded from the PS Store.

Any new info on the PS3 being able to up convert SD DVDS?

Any new info on the PS3 being able to up convert SD DVDS?

nope

I have a PS3 and an old Pioneer THX amp not capable of decoding DTS, but it seems that certain Fox titles only contain DTS soundtracks (Kingdom of Heaven for one).

Can the PS3 output the sound as stereo (perhaps through the analog output) or am I unable to watch (hear) Fox titles until a buy a new amp/reciever?
Yes, the PS3 can decode the core 1.5mbps DTS stream and output it as stereo PCM over HDMI, optical or stereo analogue.

I have a few Fox titles, and IMAX: Chronos. They are DTS MA lossless. Either we need the PS3 to do the full decoding back to PCM or we need them to turn on the HDMI 1.3 features to allow the raw bitstream to be spit out. Or both, if they are willing and/or able.

PCM is great (though a space hog), but not the only choice in high res. audio on Blu-ray.

Anybody know why MP3 playback from the PS3 HD is lighting up all 7 channels input lights on my Yamaha 6090? Signal info on the reciever reports MPCM at 48kHz ---/0.1

I should add that it's only 2 channel playback even though the reciever says mpcm and all the input lights are on

Yes, the PS3 can decode the core 1.5mbps DTS stream and output it as stereo PCM over HDMI, optical or stereo analogue.

Thank you very much :)

Thank you very much :)
You are very welcome.

Why is Blue Ray playback with the PS3 not as bright on my display as DVD playback. I used the THX Optimizer on Star Wars (DVD), Finding Nimo (DVD) and Terminator 2 (Blue Ray) for my tests. The max contrast level at which I could make out the eight boxes in the contrast tester was higher in the Blue Ray case (50 for Blue Ray vs. 45 for DVD using my FHD1).

I have tested with the three modes of BD/DVD video output (RGB, YpYb, and automatic) with no change in the results. Is this a 480p vs 1080p thing? The PS3 is connected to my receiver via HDMI and set to output 1080p. It still outputs 480p with DVDs tho. However, my cable box always outputs 1080i, and its output is noticeably brighter than 1080p output from PS3.

Do other players suffer from this brightness/contrast problem?

Anybody know why MP3 playback from the PS3 HD is lighting up all 7 channels input lights on my Yamaha 6090? Signal info on the reciever reports MPCM at 48kHz ---/0.1

I should add that it's only 2 channel playback even though the reciever says mpcm and all the input lights are on Imagine an 8-lane tunnel. Sometimes people drive on all lanes and sometimes they use only two. It is still an 8-lane tunnel.


fuad

Imagine an 8-lane tunnel. Sometimes people drive on all lanes and sometimes there use only two. It is still an 8-lane tunnel.


fuad

True there is plenty of room to run 320 kbs mp3 down the pipe but why the ps3 tells the htr 6090 that its sending 8 channels with mp3 and 2 channels with cd's is the question.

any ideas to alleviate my ps3 blues ...

my p3 is becoming increasingly unstable. it keeps crashing when playing blu-ray movies (at random places, never the same place). it's not all the time, but over the last day it's been getting worse. crashed twice in one film.

i've heard of a similar issue when the internet connection is enabled, but mine is disabled. and the playback doesn't continue, it just stops with a paused image on the screen. strangely, the counter keeps going forward, but nothing is responsive. i need to power the PS3 down via the power button on the front of the PS3.

and for the first time today it crashed on the menu. everything came to a stand still.

the unit is well ventilated and doesn't getting carried around. it just sits on top of my HD-DVD player ... perhaps that's upsetting it ? ;)

any ideas what might be causing this ? i can see a light flashing on the front of the PS3 ... i believe it's the WLAN indicator. don't know if that's causing this problem, but i can't find anything in the menus to switch it off.

any ideas would be appreciated ... i'm in the UK, but bought this in the US, so i'm royally screwed for support ...

True there is plenty of room to run 320 kbs mp3 down the pipe but why the ps3 tells the htr 6090 that its sending 8 channels with mp3 and 2 channels with cd's is the question.

It just does that for some reason. It sends 2 channels as multichannel PCM with all but the left and right front speakers muted. I don't know why it does that; it just does. Some people have complained about this because it prevents them from using DSP modes on their receivers.

any ideas to alleviate my ps3 blues ...

my p3 is becoming increasingly unstable. it keeps crashing when playing blu-ray movies (at random places, never the same place). it's not all the time, but over the last day it's been getting worse. crashed twice in one film.

i've heard of a similar issue when the internet connection is enabled, but mine is disabled. and the playback doesn't continue, it just stops with a paused image on the screen. strangely, the counter keeps going forward, but nothing is responsive. i need to power the PS3 down via the power button on the front of the PS3.

and for the first time today it crashed on the menu. everything came to a stand still.

the unit is well ventilated and doesn't getting carried around. it just sits on top of my HD-DVD player ... perhaps that's upsetting it ? ;)

any ideas what might be causing this ? i can see a light flashing on the front of the PS3 ... i believe it's the WLAN indicator. don't know if that's causing this problem, but i can't find anything in the menus to switch it off.

any ideas would be appreciated ... i'm in the UK, but bought this in the US, so i'm royally screwed for support ...

I don't have a 60gb, but I have heard of people disabling wireless when they have problems like this.

Personally I would call support immediately.

Why is Blue Ray playback with the PS3 not as bright on my display as DVD playback. I used the THX Optimizer on Star Wars (DVD), Finding Nimo (DVD) and Terminator 2 (Blue Ray) for my tests. The max contrast level at which I could make out the eight boxes in the contrast tester was higher in the Blue Ray case (50 for Blue Ray vs. 45 for DVD using my FHD1).

I have tested with the three modes of BD/DVD video output (RGB, YpYb, and automatic) with no change in the results. Is this a 480p vs 1080p thing? The PS3 is connected to my receiver via HDMI and set to output 1080p. It still outputs 480p with DVDs tho. However, my cable box always outputs 1080i, and its output is noticeably brighter than 1080p output from PS3.

Do other players suffer from this brightness/contrast problem?

Several questions:
1) Do all components run through the receiver?
2) How many inputs are you using on your TV? Are the inputs on your TV independently adjustable?
2) You mention the calibration of contrast. Did you also calibrate "black level".

If the problem occurs because you are trying to run everything via the receiver and to the TV with one HDMI cable, consider the following if your TV has independently adjustable inputs:
1) Use HDMI and calibrate for PS3 via the receiver to get benefit of better sound.
2) For the cable box, use another HDMI input (or component) direct to the TV and optical digital to the receiver. Calibrate that input.

Bottom line: It is not unusual for different components to require different calibrations. You lose that flexibility if you are "determined" to run everything through the receiver.

Why is Blue Ray playback with the PS3 not as bright on my display as DVD playback. I used the THX Optimizer on Star Wars (DVD), Finding Nimo (DVD) and Terminator 2 (Blue Ray) for my tests. The max contrast level at which I could make out the eight boxes in the contrast tester was higher in the Blue Ray case (50 for Blue Ray vs. 45 for DVD using my FHD1).

I have tested with the three modes of BD/DVD video output (RGB, YpYb, and automatic) with no change in the results. Is this a 480p vs 1080p thing? The PS3 is connected to my receiver via HDMI and set to output 1080p. It still outputs 480p with DVDs tho. However, my cable box always outputs 1080i, and its output is noticeably brighter than 1080p output from PS3.

Do other players suffer from this brightness/contrast problem?


The reason is that both use different a video scale - 0-255 for computers and DVD playback uses 16-235 playback. The THXOptimzer uses levels that are obviously for DVD playback.

Quick question:


How well does the PS3 up scale normal SD-DVD's? On a scale 1-10 (10 being best) roughly how well does it do?

Quick question:


How well does the PS3 up scale normal SD-DVD's? On a scale 1-10 (10 being best) roughly how well does it do?
How about a zero?

The PS3 currently does not upscale DVDs. :)

The PS3 doesn't scale DVDs - it outputs them as 480p. In my opinion, the PS3 is best avoided as a DVD player - the deinterlacing is sub-par, and the picture is easily bested even by cheap DVD players nowadays (like the excellent Oppo players). 1-10, it gets a 2 from me on SD-DVD.

Also, it hard clips BTB and WTW information, which has a visible effect on shadow detail and grayscale fidelity. This also contributes to the 'darker' picture complained about above.

How about a zero?

The PS3 currently does not upscale DVDs. :)


Perfect. Thanks :)


I plan on purchasing it 70% for gaming 30% for BD. I assumed it played SD-DVD's. I guess I might get the XA2 for HD-DVD's + SD-DVD up scaling.



Thanks again,



-Nick

The PS3 is solid on SD DVD playback, not great. I have no idea why others think it is horrible.

Brandon

Several questions:
1) Do all components run through the receiver?
2) How many inputs are you using on your TV? Are the inputs on your TV independently adjustable?
2) You mention the calibration of contrast. Did you also calibrate "black level".

If the problem occurs because you are trying to run everything via the receiver and to the TV with one HDMI cable, consider the following if your TV has independently adjustable inputs:
1) Use HDMI and calibrate for PS3 via the receiver to get benefit of better sound.
2) For the cable box, use another HDMI input (or component) direct to the TV and optical digital to the receiver. Calibrate that input.

Bottom line: It is not unusual for different components to require different calibrations. You lose that flexibility if you are "determined" to run everything through the receiver.

Thanks for the response; however, I have found that it has to do with outputing at 1080p. If I have the PS3 output at 1080i, the picture looks brighter. This observation leads to two possibilities:

1) 1080p output of PS3 is not as hot as output of other resolutions.
2) My display's (FHD1) scaler is doing something to the brightness and contrast when upscaling.

True there is plenty of room to run 320 kbs mp3 down the pipe but why the ps3 tells the htr 6090 that its sending 8 channels with mp3 and 2 channels with cd's is the question. Basically, the PS3 sends 2 channels with audio information while the rest of the channels get null packets. 2 channels of audio at 1.5Mbps and no audio at 1.5Mbps.


fuad

Basically, the PS3 sends 2 channels with audio information while the rest of the channels get null packets. 2 channels of audio at 1.5Mbps and no audio at 1.5Mbps.


fuad
But when it does that my Denon won't apply DPLIIx processing. It won't apply it to 6.1/7.1 pcm. Which is fine when there are actually that many channels of info, but if there are only two channels of info, that's all that should be sent out like other devices

But when it does that my Denon won't apply DPLIIx processing. It won't apply it to 6.1/7.1 pcm. Which is fine when there are actually that many channels of info, but if there are only two channels of info, that's all that should be sent out like other devices
I agree, if there's only 2 channels of audio, that's all it should be sending, sounds like the PS3 is not operating correctly in that situation. Why create null packets to send when there is no data anyways?

But when it does that my Denon won't apply DPLIIx processing. It won't apply it to 6.1/7.1 pcm. Which is fine when there are actually that many channels of info, but if there are only two channels of info, that's all that should be sent out like other devices Think about it this way.

You play a CD/MP3 on your PS3. Apart from all of that audio information (2-channel or 7.1), the PS3 is displaying video. You could either let the video run the audio visualization OR you could just sit tight on the XMB. Either way, there is video information along with the audio information.

What you want to do with the video information is up to your HDTV. The same way with your receiver. The PS3 just passes all of this along.

If you have a DVD player that is also HDMI capable and you let the audio being passed through HDMI, your receiver will still behave the same way. Basically, the issue is with your Denon, not the PS3.


fuad

The PS3 is solid on SD DVD playback, not great. I have no idea why others think it is horrible.

Brandon


Widescreen Review May issue said the PS3 handles 480p DVD excellant. Reviewer said he never felt that the 480p DVD performance was limiting. I never played a SD DVD in my PS3, that's what my XA2 is for ;)

Widescreen Review May issue said the PS3 handles 480p DVD excellant. Reviewer said he never felt that the 480p DVD performance was limiting. I never played a SD DVD in my PS3, that's what my XA2 is for ;)

If somebody has an extensive DVD collection I can see why they'd want an excellent upconverting DVD player. Me, I have an upconverting DVD player and only one HDMI slot on my TV. I have the upconverting DVD player on a component input and use the HDMI input for the PS3, which means I go without the upscaling capabilities of the DVD player. I do this because it just isn't that much of an improvement to me. Others may have a higher quality upconverting player and havs tons of DVDs they still watch, so I can understand their stance. However, IMO, to call the PS3 a horrible DVD player and an "ok" Blu-ray player are both completely incredible statements.

Brandon

I have few Simple questions
a)While playing BDs, How does PS3 handles audio through Optical? My receiver can not handle 5.1 HDMI input so i'm limited to optical. I know that HD DVD players convert all formats to DTS@1.5 which sounds good enough to me (I'm no audiophile). For BDs I usually choose PCM uncompressed tracks when available since they sound louder and richer. If I set my audio output via optical can PS3 downconvert that PCM track to DTS or Dolby or will it just sends it as 2 channel PCM?
b)Can PS3 send the DD tracks on titles like Superman Returns through optical or the bandwidth isnt enough?
c)What is the maximum frequency that optical can handle for PCM tracks?

Think about it this way.

You play a CD/MP3 on your PS3. Apart from all of that audio information (2-channel or 7.1), the PS3 is displaying video. You could either let the video run the audio visualization OR you could just sit tight on the XMB. Either way, there is video information along with the audio information.

What you want to do with the video information is up to your HDTV. The same way with your receiver. The PS3 just passes all of this along.

If you have a DVD player that is also HDMI capable and you let the audio being passed through HDMI, your receiver will still behave the same way. Basically, the issue is with your Denon, not the PS3.


fuad

I don't think that's correct. The visualization has nothing to do with what is going on. The issue is that the PS3 is telling receivers, not just Denon either, that there is multichannel audio present when in fact it is playing a 2 channel mp3. Thus, the receiver can't apply any kind of processing like it normally would with other 2 channel sound sources. Other DVD players with HDMI will only send 2 channel when that is all that is present. The PS3 is falsely sending multichannel with a 2 channel source. The PS3 should send the channels present, and not any other channels. Note that chavel states that it properly sends 2 channels only with CDs.

folks,

Imagine a disc recorded in 1080i.

PS3 can convert this material from 1080i to 1080p?

Or it only can show this material in 1080i?


If the disc is recorded in 1080p I Know that PS3 can play in 1080p.

Yes, the PS3 can decode the core 1.5mbps DTS stream and output it as stereo PCM over HDMI, optical or stereo analogue.

How do you get 5.1 channel sound from the DTS track over HDMI? Does the player have to be set to bitstream then?

I want to buy a PS3 in the next month and find the audio codec issues a little confusing. I thought the player should be set to PCM from my previous reading on this thread, but this makes it sound like I'll need to switch back and forth for each disk which I could see being really annoying (very low WAF to say the least)

The PS3 is solid on SD DVD playback, not great. I have no idea why others think it is horrible.

Brandon

I don't believe the PS3 ever deinterlaces SD DVD/480i material; hence, it always stays in video mode creating a softer, jaggied, less detailed image than otherwise.

Another issue aside from the 2 channel MP3's and 4's being seen as MPCM by my reciever is playing back WAV/PCM files. The PS3 reports them as unsupported data. I used Nero Ultra to copy them from the CD. Anybody been succesful with WAV playback from the HD? According to the Sony website it should play them.

I guess we still don't know why the PS3 is transmitting MP3's as MPCM with null channels. Maybe revision 1.X will fix it.

How do you get 5.1 channel sound from the DTS track over HDMI? Does the player have to be set to bitstream then?

I want to buy a PS3 in the next month and find the audio codec issues a little confusing. I thought the player should be set to PCM from my previous reading on this thread, but this makes it sound like I'll need to switch back and forth for each disk which I could see being really annoying (very low WAF to say the least)

You can get 5.1 from DTS through PCM (decoded in PS3) OR bitstream (decoded in receiver). Since the PS3 currently decodes everything except DTS-HD Master Audio and DTS-HD, safest bet is to leave the PS3 outputting exclusively PCM. No BD player currently can decode those advanced DTS codecs so don't feel as if you're missing out (firmware update to add that decoding is rumored to be forthcoming).

There is no need to switch back and forth unless your receiver exhibits the LFE bug through PCM over HDMI.

folks,

Imagine a disc recorded in 1080i.

PS3 can convert this material from 1080i to 1080p?

Or it only can show this material in 1080i?


If the disc is recorded in 1080p I Know that PS3 can play in 1080p.

I think someone said somewhere in this thread it will output 1080i. Outputs whatever is native on the BD disc.

Is there setting in PS3 to fix black crush? I found some of the movies are just way too dark. HD-DVD looks fine on my TV but some BluRay titles like Black Hawk Down, The Guardian, DeJa Vu looked way too dark. I know it's not the TV calibration.

Imagine a disc recorded in 1080i.
No need to imagine, the movie rating and legal disclaimer on some discs are 1080i, and they get output at 1080i.

I don't believe the PS3 ever deinterlaces SD DVD/480i material
The PS3 won't output 480i over HDMI, so for that output it always deinterlaces.

should i adjust the volume output on the PS3 during blu-ray playback to max from the default setting of normal? does it effect sound quality any?

folks,

Imagine a disc recorded in 1080i.

PS3 can convert this material from 1080i to 1080p?

Or it only can show this material in 1080i?

If the disc is recorded in 1080p I Know that PS3 can play in 1080p.
If video output is set to automatic, the PS3 will output it at 1080i. It can output it at 1080p, if you set video output manually to 1080p. However, it will just bob the 1080i signal, sending out what amounts effectiveley to a proper 540p stream (and it will look like dvd too, although a good dvd, but not hd).

The PS3 is solid on SD DVD playback, not great. I have no idea why others think it is horrible.


from what I've heard it doesn't apply a "film-mode" 3-2 pulldown reversal for proper frame-reconstruction with SD DVDs mastered from film source material.

If video output is set to automatic, the PS3 will output it at 1080i. It can output it at 1080p, if you set video output manually to 1080p. However, it will just bob the 1080i signal, sending out what amounts effectiveley to a proper 540p stream (and it will look like dvd too, although a good dvd, but not hd).

So it's better to set the PS3 on automatic, rather then selecting an output? (I don't have a PS3 yet, but I will within the next two months)



Thanks,


-Nick

So it's better to set the PS3 on automatic, rather then selecting an output?

I believe he was just referring to a disc encoded in 1080i. I don't know of any that are 1080i yet. He's saying that if you only have 1080p checked but not 1080i, it will have to bob to 1080p for output.

from what I've heard it doesn't apply a "film-mode" 3-2 pulldown reversal for proper frame-reconstruction with SD DVDs mastered from film source material.

Yes, exactly. Scaling is academic, most TVs now can scale pretty well, fixing this problem is the key item. Mind you, the effect of this varies depending on what is in the video and not everyone notices it at all.

I have tried playing DVD that were video (60fps) and the output does look almost as good as any DVD player I've seen. They really aren't very far away from making it a good DVD player, it just seems like they aren't trying.

It would be nice if they at least allowed outputting 480i over HDMI so an external device could be used (or the TV if it's good enough at it).

It does do cinema conversion, it's right there in the BD/DVD options menu, make sure you don't have it disabled.

If video output is set to automatic, the PS3 will output it at 1080i. It can output it at 1080p, if you set video output manually to 1080p. However, it will just bob the 1080i signal, sending out what amounts effectiveley to a proper 540p stream (and it will look like dvd too, although a good dvd, but not hd).Where in heck did you hear this? Source please?

I'm pretty sure the PS3 only plays BD movies in 1080i.

There is no way to "manually" set the resolution, you can only check or un-check them in the setup menu. I think if you un-check 1080i it will down-scale to 480p (which is why you say it looks like a DVD...) I don't have a 1080p set to check though.

Sorry if it's already been answered, but does anyone know how to delete users? My nephew created a bunch of new users as a joke, and I can't find how to delete them all! Thanks in advance!

I'm pretty sure the PS3 only plays BD movies in 1080i.

There is no way to "manually" set the resolution, you can only check or un-check them in the setup menu. I think if you un-check 1080i it will down-scale to 480p (which is why you say it looks like a DVD...) I don't have a 1080p set to check though.

It definitely plays BD movies in 1080p (provided your display can accept it, of course).

Where in heck did you hear this? Source please?

I'm pretty sure the PS3 only plays BD movies in 1080i.

There is no way to "manually" set the resolution, you can only check or un-check them in the setup menu. I think if you un-check 1080i it will down-scale to 480p (which is why you say it looks like a DVD...) I don't have a 1080p set to check though.


BD movies in 1080i? Definitely not the highest it will go. I've been watching all my movies in 1080p via HDMI. If your using component, then yes 1080i is as far as the ps3 is legally allowed to go. But I do know to get 1080p you need to use HDMI and you need a 1080p tv (and HDMI 1.1 min AVR, if applicable) to pair with it.

On the other hand, games come over in 1080p though in component or HDMI. I've seen this with the demo's and free downloads like Gran Tourismo.


-Splints

Looks like PSU has a rumor of what the next ps3 2.00 firmware will look like.

Here's the link:

http://www.psu.com/node/10962

My biggest like of the new feature list? XMB in-game access!

Now if they can only get to the DTS-HD-MA decoding...

-Splints

and for those who are too lazy to click a link... :)
The new PlayStation 3 firmware update is upon us and PSU has the latest details of all the updates. Note that the update isn't available yet for download, that these are just the details of what is to come. The new features/changes are as follows:

Users
- You can now password-protect user accounts.

Settings
- [Dynamic Normalizer] has been added as an option under [Sound Settings].
- [Energy Saver] has been added as an option.
- [Equalizer] has been added as a feature under [Music Settings].
- [Full] has been added as an option for [DVD Wide Display] under [BD / DVD Settings].
- [Photo Settings] has been added as an option.
- [PS / PS2 Settings] has been added as an option.
- [RSS Channel Settings] has been added as an option.
- [Sample Rate] has been added to [Audio CD Import] under [Music Settings].
- [Screen Saver] has been expanded under [Display Settings].
- The method of selecting an output resolution has been changed in [Video Output Settings] under [Display Settings].
- [Theme Settings] has been added as an option.
- [Zero Unused Disk Space] has been added as an option under [System Settings] > [Format Utility].

Photo
- Additional slideshow effects have been added.
- [Photo Effects] have been added as a feature.
- Wallpaper feature has been added.
- [Zoom] has been added as a feature.

Music
- Additional visualization effects have been added.
- CD information can now be entered.
- Three-speed fast forward and fast reverse has been added as a feature.

Video
- Files can now be played sequentially.
- Three-speed fast forward and fast reverse has been added as a feature.
- You can now select [Zoom] under [Screen Mode] when playing video files saved on the hard disk or storage media.*.
*An appropriate USB adapter (not included) is required to use storage media with some models.

Game
- Support for PlayStation 3 format software titles has been expanded.
- XMB™ (XrossMediaBar) is now accessible during gameplay.

Network
- [RSS Channel] has been added as a feature.

Friends
- You can now have multiple chat sessions.
- You can now select an image to use as your Avatar from [Photo].

Other
- Date and Time is now shown when the PS button is pressed.
- File sorting has been changed.
- [Help] has been added as a feature.
- Playability status with the PS3™ system has changed for some PlayStation® and PlayStation®2 format titles.
To check on the latest status, visit the search site for compatible titles.

- [Secure Delete] has been added as an option.
- Some PlayStation Network features have been revised

The only problem is that article was posted 2 days ago and I still haven't seen the update available yet. Is it up today?

Also, I believe walk was saying if the BD was mastered in 1080i it would be output in 1080i. I don't think he meant it was incapable of outputting a 1080p BD in 1080p.

Brandon

I don't think that's correct. The visualization has nothing to do with what is going on. It's another analogy. The visualization video can be seen as it should be OR you can muck around with the colors to make it more psychedelic. That's the HDTV's capability.

The sound issue is with the Denon.

The issue is that the PS3 is telling receivers, not just Denon either, that there is multichannel audio present when in fact it is playing a 2 channel mp3. Thus, the receiver can't apply any kind of processing like it normally would with other 2 channel sound sources. Other DVD players with HDMI will only send 2 channel when that is all that is present. The issue of receivers not being able to do digital signal processing for the audio inputs on HDMI is not restricted to just the Denon. There are many other HDMI receivers that can't to this, where they just amplify the audio signal and that's about it.

The PS3 is falsely sending multichannel with a 2 channel source. The PS3 should send the channels present, and not any other channels. Note that chavel states that it properly sends 2 channels only with CDs.

Here's what chavel said:
Anybody know why MP3 playback from the PS3 HD is lighting up all 7 channels input lights on my Yamaha 6090? Signal info on the reciever reports MPCM at 48kHz ---/0.1

I should add that it's only 2 channel playback even though the reciever says mpcm and all the input lights are on That's 2-channel with audio info at 48khz while 7 others are null packets.


fuad

The only problem is that article was posted 2 days ago and I still haven't seen the update available yet. Is it up today?



The update won't be hear for quite some time, I would guess 2-3 months. There's a lot of work and then a lot of testing to be done before they can do a major release. I always get worried when software is released within a month because a good QA cycle for software typically takes 1-3 months depending on how complicated it is and I consider the ps3 on the "complicated" side...

-Splints

Ahh, I see. The initial article didn't mention a release time frame so I thought it was coming out soon. It seems like a good update for gamers and multi-media enthusiasts. However, if your 2-3 month time frame is accurate that would also mean that realistically we couldn't expect DTS HD-MA or scaling for quite some time. Maybe 3-6 months.
Brandon

Where in heck did you hear this? Source please?

I'm pretty sure the PS3 only plays BD movies in 1080i.

There is no way to "manually" set the resolution, you can only check or un-check them in the setup menu. I think if you un-check 1080i it will down-scale to 480p (which is why you say it looks like a DVD...) I don't have a 1080p set to check though.
I'm my own source on this :), feeding a 1080p display with the PS3.

The four "Discovery Atlas" BD's are in 1080i. If the PS3 is set to 1080p only (and your display accepts 1080p as input of course), it will bob the interlaced signal, putting out a signal not much above dvd quality.

The difference of the two signals on a big display is quite staggering, simply put, one looks hd, the other does not.

As my display is 1080p, i set the PS3 to automatic, 1080p movies will then be put out as 1080p, 1080i as 1080i, 720p games as 720p, dvd as 480 etc...

There is no need to switch back and forth unless your receiver exhibits the LFE bug through PCM over HDMI.

Could you be more specific about this bug? What is it exactly. Unfortunately I've got the Panasonic XR57 which I believe has this issue (and more) with PCM over HDMI.

I don't know if I should get larger front speakers (with subs) or wait and get a new receiver.

Could you be more specific about this bug? What is it exactly. Unfortunately I've got the Panasonic XR57 which I believe has this issue (and more) with PCM over HDMI.

I don't know if I should get larger front speakers (with subs) or wait and get a new receiver.

You can learn about the LFE bug and more at this thread. Make sure to read the first post in it entirety:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147

I'm my own source on this :), feeding a 1080p display with the PS3.

The four "Discovery Atlas" BD's are in 1080i. If the PS3 is set to 1080p only (and your display accepts 1080p as input of course), it will bob the interlaced signal, putting out a signal not much above dvd quality.

The difference of the two signals on a big display is quite staggering, simply put, one looks hd, the other does not.

As my display is 1080p, i set the PS3 to automatic, 1080p movies will then be put out as 1080p, 1080i as 1080i, 720p games as 720p, dvd as 480 etc...Right, and I'm pretty sure it's putting out 480p in the first case. Does your display tell you want kind of input signal is present? You should double check that.

As I said before, if you UN-check a setting that it needs, it will NOT up-convert to the next highest setting. It falls back to 480p instead. That's why it looks like "not HD", because it isn't....

Where in heck did you hear this? Source please?

I'm pretty sure the PS3 only plays BD movies in 1080i.

There is no way to "manually" set the resolution, you can only check or un-check them in the setup menu. I think if you un-check 1080i it will down-scale to 480p (which is why you say it looks like a DVD...) I don't have a 1080p set to check though.


I'm my own source on this :), feeding a 1080p display with the PS3.

The four "Discovery Atlas" BD's are in 1080i. If the PS3 is set to 1080p only (and your display accepts 1080p as input of course), it will bob the interlaced signal, putting out a signal not much above dvd quality.

The difference of the two signals on a big display is quite staggering, simply put, one looks hd, the other does not.

As my display is 1080p, i set the PS3 to automatic, 1080p movies will then be put out as 1080p, 1080i as 1080i, 720p games as 720p, dvd as 480 etc...

Kris Deering who does reviews for Secrets did this review on the NIN BD which is recorded at 1080i/60. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/mrg-144-march-2007-part-1.html#Nine%20Inch%20Nails:%20Beside%20You%20In%20Time.

I believe it was on the NIN fan club forum that he also posted that the PS3 will ouput whatever is on the disc.

I want to be sure how I should have mine set. I have a PS3 connected via HDMI to a Panasonic PT-AX100U projector (720p). When I let the PS3 auto select, it chose 1080p as the highest output since the projector will accept a 1080p signal. Does that mean the PS3 is going to BOB my NIN disc or will it output the full 1080i/60 signal? I wonder if there is a way to check this?

Kris Deering who does reviews for Secrets did this review on the NIN BD which is recorded at 1080i/60. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/mrg-144-march-2007-part-1.html#Nine%20Inch%20Nails:%20Beside%20You%20In%20Time.

I believe it was on the NIN fan club forum that he also posted that the PS3 will ouput whatever is on the disc.

I want to be sure how I should have mine set. I have a PS3 connected via HDMI to a Panasonic PT-AX100U projector (720p). When I let the PS3 auto select, it chose 1080p as the highest output since the projector will accept a 1080p signal. Does that mean the PS3 is going to BOB my NIN disc or will it output the full 1080i/60 signal? I wonder if there is a way to check this?

As far as I know (and until proven otherwise, current testimony aside), the PS3 will try and output at the highest resolution that the media is mastered in, and if that option is selected by the end user on the PS3, then that's the resolution it will use. If not, it will scale down to the next available resolution.

Therefore, if there is a disc mastered in 1080i, and you have every resolution selected (1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p) then it will output at 1080i, because 1080p is not capable from that disc, even though you have selected it. Similarly, some video games are capable of either 1080i or 720p output. If both of those resolutions are checked off on the PS3, then it will choose the higher one in it's heirarchy (1080i).

Thus, if a disc is mastered in 1080i, and only 1080p is checked off on the PS3, then it will down-convert to the default resolution of the PS3, which is 480p.

In short, you should be able to leave 1080p selected on your PS3, and when the PS3 is playing a BD in 1080p your projector will receive the 1080p feed and downscale it to 720p, and when your PS3 is playing a BD in 1080i your projector will receive the 1080i feed and do the same thing.

Brandon

The new Pioneer BD player has this...

"The BDP-94HD offers an enhanced version of Pioneer's exclusive Home Media Gallery home networking feature. With faster navigation, consumers can stream video and music content as well as view photo slideshows directly from their computer in high definition. With IP networking and a new user interface, Pioneer makes it extremely easy for users to access and load protected content and even download new digital media files straight from their computer for immediate viewing through the player on a large flat screen television. It is compliant with Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA), Windows PC's using Windows Media Connect, and Microsoft's playsforsure(TM) DRM technology. "

...and the mega powered PS3 can't even do it. Whats the deal. Actually, the current model Pioneer can also do this as I saw it in action at my local retailer. If my son (and pretty much everyone I know who has been over to play it) wouldn't kill me for getting rid of Motorstorm I would sell the PS3 and buy the Pioneer.

Thanks Brandon! I will check the settings tonight when I get home. A bunch of us just watched the NIN BD this past Saturday before heading off to see Tool in concert. Nobody said it looked bad but then again, none of the people there have anything close to that to watch :)

Kris Deering who does reviews for Secrets did this review on the NIN BD which is recorded at 1080i/60. http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/mrg-144-march-2007-part-1.html#Nine%20Inch%20Nails:%20Beside%20You%20In%20Time.

I believe it was on the NIN fan club forum that he also posted that the PS3 will ouput whatever is on the disc.

I want to be sure how I should have mine set. I have a PS3 connected via HDMI to a Panasonic PT-AX100U projector (720p). When I let the PS3 auto select, it chose 1080p as the highest output since the projector will accept a 1080p signal. Does that mean the PS3 is going to BOB my NIN disc or will it output the full 1080i/60 signal? I wonder if there is a way to check this?

Kris Deering reported that the PS3 only outputs what the disc is recorded in (as numerous posters have noted). Since your projector is 720p native and not 1080p native, I would not worry about bobbing issues.

I do find it strange that your projector selected 1080p as it "shouldn't" have the capability of de-interlacing a 1080i signal to 1080p.

Right, and I'm pretty sure it's putting out 480p in the first case. Does your display tell you want kind of input signal is present? You should double check that.

As I said before, if you UN-check a setting that it needs, it will NOT up-convert to the next highest setting. It falls back to 480p instead. That's why it looks like "not HD", because it isn't....
My display is a HC5000. It tells me it receives 1080p signal from a 1080i source, if i check only the 1080p box on the PS3. It tells me it receives a 480 signal if i uncheck all except 480 box.
You're right in saying that the PS3 doesn't upconvert, but it does deinterlace a 1080i signal if you force it to do that, and it will bob the interlaced signal.

I want to be sure how I should have mine set. I have a PS3 connected via HDMI to a Panasonic PT-AX100U projector (720p). When I let the PS3 auto select, it chose 1080p as the highest output since the projector will accept a 1080p signal. Does that mean the PS3 is going to BOB my NIN disc or will it output the full 1080i/60 signal? I wonder if there is a way to check this?

It is my understanding that the 720p box should not be checked if your display is a native 720 display, as the PS3 would downconvert the 1080 signal to 480. If your displays accepts a 1080 signal you should check at least the 1080i box, and 1080p if your display accepts that.

Therefore, if there is a disc mastered in 1080i, and you have every resolution selected (1080p, 1080i, 720p, 480p) then it will output at 1080i, because 1080p is not capable from that disc, even though you have selected it. Similarly, some video games are capable of either 1080i or 720p output. If both of those resolutions are checked off on the PS3, then it will choose the higher one in it's heirarchy (1080i).

Logically the 1080p box should not be exclusively checked on the PS3 if your display is 720 native and does not accept a 1080p signal. If 1080p box is exclusively checked, the PS3 would output a 480 signal in that case. If both 1080i and 1080p are checked the PS3 should correctly output whatever is on the disc.

Thus, if a disc is mastered in 1080i, and only 1080p is checked off on the PS3, then it will down-convert to the default resolution of the PS3, which is 480p.

If the display is 720 native, you're right. However if the display is 1080 native the PS3 will output a 1080p signal, bobbed.

Let's sum up:
720 display: check 1080i + 1080p; do not let the PS3 auto-select
1080 display: automatic or check all

Kris Deering reported that the PS3 only outputs what the disc is recorded in (as numerous posters have noted). Since your projector is 720p native and not 1080p native, I would not worry about bobbing issues.

I do find it strange that your projector selected 1080p as it "shouldn't" have the capability of de-interlacing a 1080i signal to 1080p.Ehh? Some 720p projectors do motion-adaptive video deinterlace, but others bob 1080i signals to 540p, then upscale 540p to 720p. If your 720p display can't detect the 2:2 cadence on the disk, the results you get on your screen will not be optimal.

It is my understanding that the 720p box should not be checked if your display is a native 720 display, as the PS3 would downconvert the 1080 signal to 480. If your displays accepts a 1080 signal you should check at least the 1080i box, and 1080p if your display accepts that.

That is not true. 720p box should not be checked ONLY if the display device does not support a 1080i mode. Most displays do and you would want to leave that box checked for 720p games, which most PS3 games are currently.

When you click "automatic" during the video setup in the PS3, all your displays compatible modes should already be checked. If 1080i as a minimum is not compatible with your display, then you should not be viewing Blu-ray movies as they will go through downconversion followed by upconversion.

That is not true. 720p box should not be checked ONLY if the display device does not support a 1080i mode. Most displays do and you would want to leave that box checked for 720p games, which most PS3 games are currently.

When you click "automatic" during the video setup in the PS3, all your displays compatible modes should already be checked. If 1080i as a minimum is not compatible with your display, then you should not be viewing Blu-ray movies as they will go through downconversion followed by upconversion.
Not having a 720 display on hand i can't check that. It should be quite easy to see the difference though when trying out the different settings.

You definitely want to have 720p checked if your set is native 720p. Any games that don't support 1080i and only support 720p exclusively would be downscaled to 480p. Also, BDs will still be output in 1080i as long as that is also checked.

Brandon

My display is a HC5000. It tells me it receives 1080p signal from a 1080i source, if i check only the 1080p box on the PS3. It tells me it receives a 480 signal if i uncheck all except 480 box.
You're right in saying that the PS3 doesn't upconvert, but it does deinterlace a 1080i signal if you force it to do that, and it will bob the interlaced signal.
What happens if you have both 1080i and 1080p checked?
If it plays in 1080i, then there really is no issue.
If it tries to play it in 1080p (like other Blu-ray movies) but with the "bob", then it seems like a bug, I would report it to Sony (not surprising given the lack of 1080i-native discs until recently).

There's no bug. As bplewis stated, the PS3 will play whatever source material is presented to it, as long as you allow the PS3 to output it to your PJ or TV. I have a 1080P projector, and all video modes up to and including 1080P are selected as available to the PJ. 1080P BD plays in 1080P. 1080i BD plays in 1080i. 720P games play in 720P. Etc.

What happens if you have both 1080i and 1080p checked?
If it plays in 1080i, then there really is no issue.
If it tries to play it in 1080p (like other Blu-ray movies) but with the "bob", then it seems like a bug, I would report it to Sony (not surprising given the lack of 1080i-native discs until recently).
If both 1080i and 1080p are checked, it plays 1080i in 1080i and 1080p in 1080p. It's not really an issue, but those with a 1080p compatible display should not simply enter 1080p only, thinking thats the optimum setting. They should use the automatic setting.
I actually stumbled upon this because i'm using two different displays, the second display being an older non-hd TV set. As the PS3 is not adapting its output automatically between hdmi and analog and I have to reset it each time i'm changing displays, and enter video and audio settings, via optical, each time manually.
I got tired of checking every darn box every time i started the thing, and simply checked the 1080p box. And there you are: definitly underwhelming bobbing on 1080i material. So, back to checking every box every time.

Not having a 720 display on hand i can't check that. It should be quite easy to see the difference though when trying out the different settings.

I own a 720p native projector (BENQ PE8700+) and because it accepts 1080i signals, The Departed looked fine and not scaled twice. If it didn't have a 1080i mode, I'd be watching 480p.

What happens if you have both 1080i and 1080p checked?
If it plays in 1080i, then there really is no issue.
If it tries to play it in 1080p (like other Blu-ray movies) but with the "bob", then it seems like a bug, I would report it to Sony (not surprising given the lack of 1080i-native discs until recently).

Don't bother contacting Sony. Even their first gen standalone BD player, the BDP-S1 is one of the biggest culprits. Here is an excerpt from Kris Deering's review on the BDP-S1's BD capabilities:

"The last test I performed was how well the player will de-interlace 1080i to 1080p if you have the player's output set to 1080p. While most Blu-ray discs are natively 1080p, there are still some that are only 1080i. Recent examples including the Nine Inch Nails concert disc Beside You in Time and Destiny's Child: Live in Atlanta. Unfortunately the Sony does not do well with this area at all. The player does not do inverse telecine de-interlacing for material with a 3-2 or 2-2 cadence. If you are going to watch something that is native 1080i on this player, I would recommend using the native mode of the player and piping the video through a good video processor. While this is a pretty rare issue, it is still one that will hopefully be addressed with future models. It also explains why companies like Panasonic chose to use a separate video-processing chip instead of allowing the decoder to do the I/P conversion."

Full review here: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_2/sony-bdp-s1-blu-ray-player-5-2007-part-1.html

Luckily the PS3 does not attempt to de-interlace 1080i as it will be passed directly from the disc. The display you own is a different matter...

man at least for DVD it so much easier to do it in the mpeg2 digital domain, those flags are not that hard to decode :p

On another note, nobody would know by chance if the PS3's card reader is compatible with SDHC (high capacity) cards?

Thanks for any answers.

On another note, nobody would know by chance if the PS3's card reader is compatible with SDHC (high capacity) cards?

Thanks for any answers.

It works with SDHC cards without problem (so far).

I was curious if there is any difference in Blu-Ray playback between the 20gb PS3 and the 60gb PS3? I am pretty sure the only differences is the Memory Card reader & built in wireless.

I was curious if there is any difference in Blu-Ray playback between the 20gb PS3 and the 60gb PS3?
No difference.
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No difference.
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isnt there a HDMI and Component input differece also??

isnt there a HDMI and Component input differece also??

In regards to Blu Ray playback? Hmm, dunno, I never cared for analog signals :) :o

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Yes, you can't do 1080p via component (1080i max). You also need HDMI for the HD sound codecs (6.1 DTS-ES 1.5Mbps max via Optical)

are there any settings that need to be changed in the ps3 blu ray menu for blu ray playback such as that color filter(something like that) or video conversion which is either auto or cinema? I am not at home, so I can't look at the menu, but I know there are some options like that. Tv I am using is a samsung hl-s5687 1080p if it matters, thanks.

For anyone thinking of getting a 60GB PS3 Fry's is having a one day sale where they include Madden07 with the PS3. Same price of $599 but the $59 Madden07 is included. It is a one day sale so you must get it today Friday 5/18/07.

Fry's is also having a Blu-ray disk sale. Buy two of their $19 Blu-ray DVDs and get a third one free. It also is a one day sale. The ad listed 15 Blu-ray DVDs included in the sale.

This is from todays Fry's ad.

Rick R

Yes, you can't do 1080p via component (1080i max). You also need HDMI for the HD sound codecs (6.1 DTS-ES 1.5Mbps max via Optical)


Well a little qualification. You can't do 1080p via component for movies on the ps3. You can do 1080p games via component on the ps3.

-Splints

Fry's is also having a Blu-ray disk sale. Buy two of their $19 Blu-ray DVDs and get a third one free. It also is a one day sale. The ad listed 15 Blu-ray DVDs included in the sale.
bad timing... i was hoping i could score the blu-rays for next week: PoTC, apocalypto, and the clint eastwood flicks. if u see a similar ad next week, please let us know!

are we getting upscaling SD soon?

are we getting upscaling SD soon?

It was not among the "leaked" 2.0 firmware fixes/updates.

Hello to all,
I'm looking for a knowledgable answer regarding the color space settings on the PS3. Should it be set to RGB or YCbCr? Why?

Is there any other factors to take into consideration regarding the type of HDTV you have? I have a 1080p Mitsubishi 57732 DLP.

Thanks

I have a Sony 50XBR1 1080p and have mine set to YCbCr. I think some sets are picky so RGB might work better for some.

PCs and games consoles use 0=black and 255=white. RGB is usually PC levels. DVI usually uses RGB.
Video uses 16=black and 235=white. YPbPr is usually video levels. HDMI usually uses YPbPr.
I leave my PS3 on automatic, and it outputs RGB during games and YPbPr during video. My screen has a HDMI Black Level option (Low/Normal). This allows me to select whether RGB is PC levels (low) or video levels (normal). It is set to Normal and greyed out when fed YPbPr. My TV automatically switches between RGB 0-255 and YPbPr 16-235, this maintains a constant black level between games and video, so I don't have to keep adjust my brightness/contrast. Still no below black from the PS3 though.

Can anybody help me with problem?
I have PS3 and Sony KDS-55A2000 connected with HDMI cable. This tv has 1080p resolution, but PS3 doesnt allow to set any another resolution, but for 576p. when i start bluer-ray disk 1080p i see 480 on the screen. What can i do to solve this problem?

When you say the "PS3 doesnt allow to set any other resolution," are you saying you can't check the options of 1080p, 1080i, 720p, etc in the "Video" settings?

Brandon