HDMI cables, HD DVD's & more cables... isn't there a FAQ setup thread for this. .? Ive been peeking at this thread now for about 6 months now & I find it slightly off putting that all of sudden when HD DVD is pronounced dead people immediatley jump on the bandwagon, pop up in this thread & appoint themselves self proclaimed experts on the PS3 (within the last 3 weeks). This thread has been hijacked! There's even people with 6+ posts a page as if they think they are a sony technician. What a mess!

Toshiba may be discontinuing production but that doesn't mean the hardware and software won't be around for several years to come. My guess is most people who have invested in HD-DVD won't be selling it off... they'll just change most of their future purchases to BD.

I wouldn't bet on that, I suspect HD-DVD is going away rather quickly.

What should I do? Get a 3rd PS3 or wait for a BD-50?

k

Wait for a BD 50 and take the PS3 back.

Brandon

Obviously the PS3's first use is playing Blu-Ray discs, but can it also upconvert SD-DVD's to 1080p full HD resolution like, say, an Oppo DV-980H? I'm in the market for a new DVD player and was looking at the Oppo, but if I can get good upconversion features and a solid Blu-ray player in a single package, I'd like to get it all in one shot.

Obviously the PS3's first use is playing Blu-Ray discs, but can it also upconvert SD-DVD's to 1080p full HD resolution like, say, an Oppo DV-980H?

Yes, over HDMI. I'm not making a statement about how they compare, just that the functionality is there.

Brandon

Like many many of you agonizing between a PS3 and other BD players - I did the same and decided to get a 40GB PS3. Here's my perspective :D - Life's too short - what will it cost you to make one choice over another - a mere $300 for a PS3? Unless money is an issue, I can't see how we can go wrong with it? With the tremendous diversity of apps - gaming, streaming music, wifi, BD playing, upscaling DVDs, I had to pick PS3.

I also plan to get a dedicated, decent blu-ray player down the road once the technology is stable - given all kinds of issues - standards, lack of proper/complete audio functionality, etc. etc. I don't know if I am making the right choice now, but it is a choice that will save me a ton of brain cells, and short circuit my agony - I could also be waiting forever. Reading a lot of posts, people seem to be happy with their PS3's. Hopefully I made a good choice, I don't intend to look back! -lol- :D

Obviously the PS3's first use is playing Blu-Ray discs, but can it also upconvert SD-DVD's to 1080p full HD resolution like, say, an Oppo DV-980H? Yes, over HDMI.

^^^ Didnt i just read that two posts up?? And for god sake component will give you 1080p aswell, all day long!

That may be but for me I'm not buying any more HD-DVD's and my rental service is has said they're not adding to HD-DVD so I have now need to follow up with the issues I've seen on HD-DVD.

directly following the warner announcement i took the oprtunity to liquidate all of my hd-dvd hardware and software. the decision has panned out to be a smart choice as i actually got decent resale value for everything. today that equipmant and software is now worthless so yes hd-dvd hardware will be around for a while as at this point hold outs have little choice but to keep it or loose just about the entire investment. unlike 30 days ago now all that are left are hd-dvd fan boys in search of a cheap bargain and there are zero new comers thus the resale has become almost non existant.

for hd-dvd the time to sell has come and gone in less that a 45 day time span. after putting a 500 dollar betamax at the curb for trash i am glad i sold my hd-dvd items dispite what hd-dvd fan boys said.

Well I didn't realize the PS3 had a keyboard to use for it Internet use, that seals it for me since I love to surf and post. To many pluses for $399 and like others here once Oppo or another off the charts BR-DVD player comes out I'll grab it.

directly following the warner announcement i took the oprtunity to liquidate all of my hd-dvd hardware and software. the decision has panned out to be a smart choice as i actually got decent resale value for everything. today that equipmant and software is now worthless so yes hd-dvd hardware will be around for a while as at this point hold outs have little choice but to keep it or loose just about the entire investment. unlike 30 days ago now all that are left are hd-dvd fan boys in search of a cheap bargain and there are zero new comers thus the resale has become almost non existant.

for hd-dvd the time to sell has come and gone in less that a 45 day time span. after putting a 500 dollar betamax at the curb for trash i am glad i sold my hd-dvd items dispite what hd-dvd fan boys said.

Smart move man, I knew it was over too following the Warner announcement, and just by judging how many bluray commercials I was seeing vs HD-DVD. Sonys Marketing crew nailed it from the get go.

I've got a PS3 and about 12 Blu-rays, with about 60 in my Queue on Blockbuster.com. Got it hooked up to my KDS-50A3000 through HDMI 1080p, and I've got to say, I friggin love it.

. . . the BD-30 after firmware fix . . . What firmware fix? . . . I hope it comes, for those of you who are owners; but I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm not even confident the BD-50 will have its predecessor's issues fixed. But here's to hoping!!! I, for one, am very pleased with the PS3 as my primary Blu-ray player. The only one that comes close is the Denon 3800 (and at 5X the cost); of course its target is much different than the PS3 and will appeal to those who have very high-end multi-channel non-HDMI processors that need their players to have internal decoding. The Denon 2500 is another choice, but still at least at twice the price of the PS3 (and as of yet still saddled with the same problems of the BD-30; granted, the Denon has far better work-a-rounds than the Panny - and I do have confidence that Denon will come through with their promised update-fix).

I'm no Sony fan-boy (been a Denon fan for a long while; unfortunately no Denon in my current line-up). However, IMO, as of right now, the PS3 is still one of the best bets in currently-competent and futurely-upgradable Blu-ray players (and I was guessing all of this PS3 hype would end after CES . . . )

. . . OK . . . read all the intervening posts since I first penned. No, I don't think the PS3 is w/o issues. However, in my experience, I've only had one playback issue and it was w/ one of the POTC Blu-rays, and, for some reason (updates?) it doesn't occur any longer. Course I only have a 50-disc +/- Blu-ray library, so for those of you with more extensive collections, your views may be more valid than mine. But, I'm still in the PS3 camp; and I fully intend to buy a stand-alone Blu-ray player when a worthy one comes out - still waiting . . .

- da Choge

You brought up 3rd gen. HD players 1st. I replied with my experience.
I brought them up because I've had problems with my A35 before.

I agree with others that the PS3 is still the best blu-ray player available now. Just read the rest of the player threads. I am only saying it is still not perfect.
I wasn't claiming it is perfect either, and we seem to agree on how good the PS3 is, which is why I was curious why you replied to my post as you did. I don't remember anyone here every claiming it was perfect. Nothing is.
I'll second everything rdclark said. But to elaborate on #2, the PS3 is probably the most trouble-free player in either format.
"most trouble free" does not equal "completely trouble free."

I brought them up because I've had problems with my A35 before.


I wasn't claiming it is perfect either, and we seem to agree on how good the PS3 is, which is why I was curious why you replied to my post as you did. I don't remember anyone here every claiming it was perfect. Nothing is.

"most trouble free" does not equal "completely trouble free."

It is for many, including me.

I just bought a 40gb PS3 to use in my HT as a BD player and game console and was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to make it more rack/stack friendly? Is there any products or solutions any of you have found? Try Game Stop. I got a PS3 "stacker" there and now I have my 360 sitting on top of that. I forget the brand but it is called "the ps3 stacker" It is basically 2 pieces of strong plastic that connect together with the ps3 sitting inside. It provided strong access to all sides for ports/cooling. http://www.amazon.com/Mad-Catz-Horizontal-Rack-PlayStation/dp/B000KITCF6

New to PS3, viewing Open Range SD. I am very pleased with the upscale. Normally use my A-35 but trying out new unit. It may not be quite the same PQ as A-35 but it definitely is a nice view. I would also recommend the BT remote, even newer than PS3, works as it should.

Hey guys,

New PS3 owner

I just tried watching Apocalypto and the movie quit playing like 3 times. Anyone else had a problem with this movie?

Should I be worried since this is a new PS3?

Hey guys,

New PS3 owner

I just tried watching Apocalypto and the movie quit playing like 3 times. Anyone else had a problem with this movie?

Should I be worried since this is a new PS3?

Probably interference with other 2.4GHz devices in your home. Are you using the blue tooth remote or the six-axis controller? I had a wireless mouse on a laptop in another room that caused this issue. Others have claimed their phones did it.

Next up is disc cleaning, even if it is a new disc. Warm water and non-abrasive soap worked for me on one of my new problem discs.

I'll bet you bought a new 40G PS3 too. There seems to be many other users posting about sudden stops or skipping with the newest 40G units.

Maybe chrisO can help? O.K. chrisO just kidding .... peace.

Well I didn't realize the PS3 had a keyboard to use for it Internet use, that seals it for me since I love to surf and post. To many pluses for $399 and like others here once Oppo or another off the charts BR-DVD player comes out I'll grab it.

Although products like Logitech's Mediaboard might be more PS3 friendly, any USB wireless keyboard and mouse should work just as well.

Probably interference with other 2.4GHz devices in your home. Are you using the blue tooth remote or the six-axis controller? I had a wireless mouse on a laptop in another room that caused this issue. Others have claimed their phones did it.

Next up is disc cleaning, even if it is a new disc. Warm water and non-abrasive soap worked for me on one of my new problem discs.

I'll bet you bought a new 40G PS3 too. There seems to be many other users posting about sudden stops or skipping with the newest 40G units.

Maybe chrisO can help? O.K. chrisO just kidding .... peace.

Thanks,

Im using the controller as my remote.
The disk is a rental but it looked clean.
Yes it the new 40G
My wireless was on, but I wan't using the internet at the time.

I have a PS3 player and just purchased a new receiver last week (Pioneer Elite VSX-94TXH) which is able to decode DTS-HD MA.

Is there anyway to take advantage of the new receiver to play the Fox titles in there full sound tracks now is a matter of waiting until the PS3 actually uses HDMI 1.3?

At the time that the PS3 upgrades to use HDMI 1.3 will the player itself then be able to decode DTS-HD or is that a seperate update itself.

^^^ Didnt i just read that two posts up?? And for god sake component will give you 1080p aswell, all day long!

Not for upconverting, which is what he was asking about.

I have read through many posts on this thread about soundtracks being sent either bitstream or PCM. Is there a post or thread that can talk about the benefits to one over the other?

I am starting my HT setup from scratch. (Sold last one with house, left HD-DVD player there) This almost sounds like your receiver doesn't really matter if the PS3 does the decoding. I am looking to clarify.

Thanks,

I have a question and a problem.

First, I have a very weird problem with the third POTC. If I stop the movie during the opening Disney Preview and try to restart it, the PS3 gives me an error message about video playback. Even if I reboot, it does this. However, my PS3 works fine with all other BR films.

I can play through all of POTC 3 without a problem, its jsut the start and stop during the opening trailer. Anybody else have this issue?

Also, how do you do scene select? In the Harry Potter series, I am having a very hard time navigating through the menus. It was much easier on the SD version. I have this issue with a few other films as well.

Just watched Mission Impossible 3 tonight and this being one of my favorite action movie, I'm dissapointed to find it sounds rather weak and dull esp when compared to the other blu-ray movies that have uncompressed audio. I have to raise the volume by nearly +6db above my normal hearing level before it sounds better and even then the sound stage is poor and dynamics is seriously lacking. I think it even sounds worse than the DVD version. This is the only Blu-Ray disc I owned that doesn't have a uncompressed soundtrack

I press the info button on my remote and this Blu-Ray disc only comes with a 640kps DD track. I wonder if it could be bec my PS3 doesn't decode Dolby Digital well? Or just the sound on this disc sucks bec it is not uncompressed?

Just to be sure, I just re-watched MI3 on DVD again and indeed the soundtrack on the DVD is far better! Puzzling...:confused:

I post this on another forum and someone suggest me to adjust the dynamic range setting on my PS3 but I couldn't find any settings for this.

Anyone got any ideas?

Using: Samsung 4665 and a PS3 over HDMI

After being incredibly pleased with my PS3 as both a Blu-Ray and DVD player for the last month, I've started to experience some problems that I believe can be attributed to the upconversion, HDMI signal integrity, or a combination of the two. Suddenly, many DVDs seem to be displaying at a quailty below even regular DVD image. I'm seeing a lot of pixelation and obvious digital compression artifacts. It's obvious enough for my wife to comment "It looks like we're watching it on the computer." Blu-Ray images remain unchanged, and some DVDs appear to be correctly upconverted and displayed. How can I diagnos this problem? Where can I find a description of what the image would look like if this were a problem with the HDMI signal being preceived as corrupted?

In case it helps,' Curb Your Enthusiasm Season' 6 looked terrible, previews on 'Rendition' were hit or miss but the movie itself worked fine, Big Love season 2 looked great.

I have read through many posts on this thread about soundtracks being sent either bitstream or PCM. Is there a post or thread that can talk about the benefits to one over the other?

I am starting my HT setup from scratch. (Sold last one with house, left HD-DVD player there) This almost sounds like your receiver doesn't really matter if the PS3 does the decoding. I am looking to clarify.

Thanks,

In a nutshell, when you use bitstream, you are asking the AVR to decode whatever format it can handle. Modern AVRs (Marantz SR8002, Denon 3808, etc.) can handle all HD audio formats (TrueHD, DTS Master Audio etc).

If you do *not* have an AVR that can handle the new audio formats (SR8001 for example), you have to have the players decode the new audio formats and send it out via PCM to the AVR.

So for me, I have a Toshiba XA2, PS3, and Samsung BD-P1400 with SR8001. Also have SR8002, but 8001 is my main AVR. So for me, I can listen to all HD audio formats *except* for Master Audio. The only format the 1400 cannot decode internally is Master Audio.

In a nutshell, when you use bitstream, you are asking the AVR to decode whatever format it can handle. Modern AVRs (Marantz SR8002, Denon 3808, etc.) can handle all HD audio formats (TrueHD, DTS Master Audio etc).

If you do *not* have an AVR that can handle the new audio formats (SR8001 for example), you have to have the players decode the new audio formats and send it out via PCM to the AVR.

So for me, I have a Toshiba XA2, PS3, and Samsung BD-P1400 with SR8001. Also have SR8002, but 8001 is my main AVR. So for me, I can listen to all HD audio formats *except* for Master Audio. The only format the 1400 cannot decode internally is Master Audio.

So if the PS3 cannot bitstream a sound format, then your receiver is nothing more than an amplifier? No need worry about whether it could decode TruHD in the first place.

I ask this because, why would I spend big dollars on a receiver if the PS3 can do all the decoding? Which formats does the PS3 bitsream?

Thanks again

So if the PS3 cannot bitstream a sound format, then your receiver is nothing more than an amplifier? No need worry about whether it could decode TruHD in the first place.

I ask this because, why would I spend big dollars on a receiver if the PS3 can do all the decoding? Which formats does the PS3 bitsream?

Thanks again

My understanding is only the core Dolby Digital and DTS can be bitstreamed. If you want to take full advantage of the internal decoding of TrueHD etc, you need a receiver that will accept the decoded PCM over HDMI.

Hey guys,

New PS3 owner

I just tried watching Apocalypto and the movie quit playing like 3 times. Anyone else had a problem with this movie?

Should I be worried since this is a new PS3?

What firmware are you on? In previous iterations of PS3 firmware the network connection would time out trying to connect while the movie was playing, causing some folks to have their movies stop. Make sure you're updated to the latest.

Brandon

Don't forget that the receiver does some processing of PCM. It must do bass management and speaker delay, I would think.

I just got the PS3 on Friday, BTW. Upconversion looks better than the A2, IMO. Crossing my fingers that they can do something w/ Netflix instant watching.

So if the PS3 cannot bitstream a sound format, then your receiver is nothing more than an amplifier? No need worry about whether it could decode TruHD in the first place.

I ask this because, why would I spend big dollars on a receiver if the PS3 can do all the decoding? Which formats does the PS3 bitsream?

Thanks again

It's currently debatable whether or not the PS3 will ever support bitstreaming. However, it's very likely that future mid to high level BD players will support this feature, which will allow for advanced sound processing from receivers that handle DTS-MA, TrueHD, etc.

Personally when faced with the choice of spending $500 for a "budget" receiver that couldn't handle these formats vs. spending $800 for a receiver that could not only handle these formats but also had additional features, as well as a better quality amplifier. The choice was sort of a no brainer (for me anyway).

What firmware are you on? In previous iterations of PS3 firmware the network connection would time out trying to connect while the movie was playing, causing some folks to have their movies stop. Make sure you're updated to the latest.

Brandon

My firmware is 2.0 right now.

But I do not have my PS3 hooked up to my internet.

I'm only using it for Blu-ray and games.

One more question.

I just bought a new received that has DTS-HD and True HD.

Should I set the PS3 to LPCM or Bitstream?

If im reading the very first post right I should use Bitstream, but I have also read I should use LPCM?

Thanks

New PS3 40GB owner here. So hello fellow PS3 peeps!

Only complaint thus far is Audio is REALLLLY low comming out of the PS3 compaired to my XA2. Nice piece of equipment for the price paid though.

One more question.

I just bought a new received that has DTS-HD and True HD.

Should I set the PS3 to LPCM or Bitstream?

If im reading the very first post right I should use Bitstream, but I have also read I should use LPCM?

Thanks

The PS3 cannot Bitstream DTS-HD or True HD. You need to use LPCM over HDMI to get the full benefit of the advanced codecs.

It's currently debatable whether or not the PS3 will ever support bitstreaming. However, it's very likely that future mid to high level BD players will support this feature, which will allow for advanced sound processing from receivers that handle DTS-MA, TrueHD, etc.

Personally when faced with the choice of spending $500 for a "budget" receiver that couldn't handle these formats vs. spending $800 for a receiver that could not only handle these formats but also had additional features, as well as a better quality amplifier. The choice was sort of a no brainer (for me anyway).

OK, so to take this another step.

I was not aware of the scope of the debate of bitstreaming vs. PCM as a method of delivery. If none of the current crop of BD players allow bitstreaming for advanced codecs, what is the point of having a receiver that can decode them? after all if the BD player has already decoded it?

It seems to me that a receiver that can support HDMI 1.3 is all you need for advanced codecs. Is that right?

The PS3 cannot Bitstream DTS-HD or True HD. You need to use LPCM over HDMI to get the full benefit of the advanced codecs.

Thank you

The PS3 cannot Bitstream DTS-HD or True HD. You need to use LPCM over HDMI to get the full benefit of the advanced codecs.

Correct me if I'm wrong here

Even if you have a new HDMI 1.3 receiver that can decode trueHD and DTS-HD MA, the PS3 will not bitstream any of the advanced audio tracks.

Also although trueHD can be sent using PCM over HDMI to a HDMI 1.3 receiver that can decode it, DTS-HD MA can not?

Correct me if I'm wrong here

Even if you have a new HDMI 1.3 receiver that can decode trueHD and DTS-HD MA, the PS3 will not bitstream any of the advanced audio tracks.

Also although trueHD can be sent using PCM over HDMI to a HDMI 1.3 receiver that can decode it, DTS-HD MA can not?

Yes except -

1. you don't need HDMI 1.3 in the receiver to support LPCM (most receivers with earlier versions of HDMI will work).

2. although the PS3 currently does not support DTS HD-MA, DTS is supporting Sony with the development of the HD-MA decoder software for the PS3 (according to DTS rep. at last month's CES). Hopefully this is be added within the next few months via a firmware update to the PS3.

Ron Jones

Correct me if I'm wrong here

Even if you have a new HDMI 1.3 receiver that can decode trueHD and DTS-HD MA, the PS3 will not bitstream any of the advanced audio tracks.

Also although trueHD can be sent using PCM over HDMI to a HDMI 1.3 receiver that can decode it, DTS-HD MA can not?


This is correct, however, insiders have indicated that the PS3 will be getting an update in the near future that will allow for internal decoding of DTS-MA audio tracks.

The PS3 will probably never bitstream advanced audio, but the fact that the PS3 will likely soon decode all of the major audio codecs and the IR2BT (www.ir2bt.com) solution will soon be available to make native driving of the PS3 with infrared a reality, many of us firmly believe that the PS3 is still the most "future proof" BD player for the next year.

Yes except -

1. you don't need HDMI 1.3 in the receiver to support LPCM (most receivers with earlier versions of HDMI will work).

2. although the PS3 currently does not support DTS HD-MA, DTS is supporting Sony with the development of the HD-MA decoder software for the PS3 (according to DTS rep. at last month's CES). Hopefully this is be added within the next few months via a firmware update to the PS3.

Ron Jones

This is correct, however, insiders have indicated that the PS3 will be getting an update in the near future that will allow for internal decoding of DTS-MA audio tracks.

The PS3 will probably never bitstream advanced audio, but the fact that the PS3 will likely soon decode all of the major audio codecs and the IR2BT (www.ir2bt.com) solution will soon be available to make native driving of the PS3 with infrared a reality, many of us firmly believe that the PS3 is still the most "future proof" BD player for the next year.

Thanks for both of your replies.

Does this update eliminate the need of so many of us purchasing new receivers that can support DTS-HD since it may be decoded internally in the future?

I really hate thinking I just upgraded (again) to be able to hear these tracks only to find out that it still can not be passed.

What is the current problem with the PS3 being unable to decode DTS-HD MA, is it because the PS3 cant pass HDMI 1.3 even though its supposed too?

OK, so to take this another step.

I was not aware of the scope of the debate of bitstreaming vs. PCM as a method of delivery. If none of the current crop of BD players allow bitstreaming for advanced codecs, what is the point of having a receiver that can decode them? after all if the BD player has already decoded it?

It seems to me that a receiver that can support HDMI 1.3 is all you need for advanced codecs. Is that right?

The BD-30 will not decode any advanced codecs internally but will bitstream everything for the receiver to decode. In the case of the PS3 audio output though, you are correct that the receiver doesn't do any of the decoding. The only reason to upgrade your receiver is if there is no HDMI input (like mine, I'm currently bitstreaming the non-HD codecs through the optical output to my receiver)

someone needs to rename this thread to "The One-and-Only PS3 endless bitstream vs. pcm question-fest"

:eek:

Thanks for both of your replies.

Does this update eliminate the need of so many of us purchasing new receivers that can support DTS-HD since it may be decoded internally in the future?

I really hate thinking I just upgraded (again) to be able to hear these tracks only to find out that it still can not be passed.

What is the current problem with the PS3 being unable to decode DTS-HD MA, is it because the PS3 cant pass HDMI 1.3 even though its supposed too?

The only reason to upgrade a receiver or not is if you want the receiver to be able to do actual processing of the bitstreamed DTS-MA or True-HD audio.

Again, for most people this will be a non-issue. As pointed out to you earlier, HDMI 1.2 receivers are completely capable of receiving the decoded raw output over HDMI and doing the basic things like setting channel volume levels, delay times, EQ, etc, with that signal.

The only thing that a "true" bitstream to receiver connection buys you is the ability to do advanced processing on the signal such as doing sound fields, advanced muxing of 5.1 tracks to 7.1, etc.

As far as DTS-MA in the PS3 goes, it has nothing to do with bitstreaming, HDMI 1.3, etc, it is simply a feature that the PS3 (as well as many standalone BD players) doesn't currently have. The advantage with the PS3 is that this can (and will) be added as a FW update. The PS3 will also be upgraded to BD Live Profile 2.0 via a FW update some time this year.

I'm sure you're all VERY sick of the questions about bit stream and PCM that could easily be answered by reading the last 900 posts.

Here's an issue I'm having and I'm hoping I can get some other people to try it out and see if you get the problem too.

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I have:

80GB PS3
Polk 7.1 speaker setup
Yamaha RX-V661 HDMI 7.1 Reciever

I have the PS3 plugged in via HDMI and 7.1 speakers

In the Audio output settings of the PS3 if I run auto check to select all available Audio formats it selects all the MPCM formats including the 7.1 options.

If I pop in a DVD or a Blu Ray it will automatically change between 2 Channel for the menu sounds and previews and then swtich to 5.1 when the full feature comes on... This is working as intended and I would expect it to work this way for all media played with the PS3....

Not so when you play a Game, an Xvid or DIVX movie 2 channel OR 5.1, or even simple 2 channel music played from an MP3 file.

In all the above circumstances my Receiver shows MPCM and all 7 Channels are lit even though sound is playing out of only the active channels in the source...

When playing a 2 channel MP3 from my WMP11 media server it shows MPCM with all 7 channels lit..... but sound only comes out of the L&R channels. All other channels are silent.

When playing a 5.1 channel Game such as Devil May Cry 4 I see MPCM with all 7 channels lit. I get sound out of all of the 5.1 channels and silence out of the back two channels.

This presents a problem for those of us with 7.1 speaker setups. For movies I have no problems. With games, Divx video and MP3 Music I am unable to run Dolby PLIIx processing on the active channels to get all 7 channels playing something. More importantly MP3s played though the PS3 will only play through the L&R channel preventing me from using my subwoofer.

I can already mess with the Audio output settings and get it to output the correct number of channels, but only if I manually turn off the channels I DON'T want it to output for the given media in the PS3 audio output menu. This is NOT how it should work...

What I am trying to achieve with absolutely no work arounds is this:

I want to play a 5.1 Game and have it output 5.1 channels of MPCM.
I want to play a 2 Channel Mp3 and have it output 2.0 LPCM.
I want to play a 2 Channel Xvid or Divx movie and have it output only the two channels in LCPM.

What the PS3 currently does is:

I play a 5.1 Channel PS3 game and I recieve 7.1 Channels of MPCM at the receiver. Only 5.1 Channels have sound playing but I am unable to process Dolby PLIIX because the RECEIVER sees 7.1 channels of MPCM signal. The Source media is 5.1 and the PS3 is outputting 7.1 MPCM
I play a 2 Channel MP3 audio file and I recieve 7.1 Channels of MPCM at the receiver. Only 2 Channels have sound playing but I am unable to process Dolby PLIIX because the RECEIVER sees 7.1 channels of MPCM signal. The Source media is 2 Channel and the PS3 is outputting 7.1 MPCM
I play a 2 Channel Divx or Xvid movie and I recieve 7.1 Channels of MPCM at the receiver. Only 2 Channels have sound playing, but I am unable to process Dolby PLIIX because the RECEIVER sees 7.1 channels of MPCM signal. The Source media is 2 Channel and the PS3 is outputting 7.1 MPCM

The PS3 is capable of outputting only 2 Channel or only 5.1 MPCM if you manually disable all the other options. So it isn't an issue with my Receiver. It even works normally with DVDs and BluRays.... Clearly the PS3 is capable of switching between the Audio output formats automatically...

Just not when playing MP3s, DIVX Video or PS3 Games....

Can someone else Try EXACTLY what I have outlined here with no other changes and see if you have the same issue?

Post your hardware and what you used to test it.

I'm hoping to bend Sony's ear about this issue and get it fixed if at all possible. I have an E-mail in with their tech support but I figure it wouldn't hurt if I could link them to a thread with lots of people exhibiting the same symptoms.

Please do bend Sony's ear on this, it s**ks. Onkyo 605 and my media server and cd's just as you described. :mad:

Also
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=998549

Maybe chrisO can help? O.K. chrisO just kidding .... peace.
It figures that after my post there's practically a whole page of people posting problems. Oh well.

I have read through many posts on this thread about soundtracks being sent either bitstream or PCM. Is there a post or thread that can talk about the benefits to one over the other?

I am starting my HT setup from scratch. (Sold last one with house, left HD-DVD player there) This almost sounds like your receiver doesn't really matter if the PS3 does the decoding. I am looking to clarify.

Thanks,
You've already got a few replies to this, but I'll give you another.

TrueHD and DTS HD MA are compressed versions of the PCM track. Once decoded they're bit for bit identical to the PCM track. It shouldn't matter which does the decoding, the player or receiver, because it's akin to unzipping a data file on your computer.

Some say that sending LPCM to the receiver can introduce audio jitter, but from what I've read someone with a very well trained ear, like someone who mixes audio for a living, may or may not hear a difference. Some receivers seem to do some post processing with the bitstream. In my opinion that shouldn't happen unless you want it to. Some people like it though.

More and more of the special stuff that is exclusive to HDM, like the PIP feature, need to be decoded and mixed in the player. They can't be mixed in the receiver because it would require 2 seperate bitstreams to the receiver at the same time and HDMI can't do that.

If you have a player that can't internally decode the HBR codecs but bitstreams them (like the BD30 or the A35) then you'd want a receiver that can. IMHO the ideal setup would be a player that internally decodes them all and a receiver that accepts LPCM over HDMI. That's really all you need.

Most of us are pretty optimistic that the PS3 will soon be that player.

I'm sure you're all VERY sick of the questions about bit stream and PCM that could easily be answered by reading the last 900 posts.

Here's an issue I'm having and I'm hoping I can get some other people to try it out and see if you get the problem too.

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I have:

80GB PS3
Polk 7.1 speaker setup
Yamaha RX-V661 HDMI 7.1 Reciever

I have the PS3 plugged in via HDMI and 7.1 speakers

In the Audio output settings of the PS3 if I run auto check to select all available Audio formats it selects all the MPCM formats including the 7.1 options.

If I pop in a DVD or a Blu Ray it will automatically change between 2 Channel for the menu sounds and previews and then swtich to 5.1 when the full feature comes on... This is working as intended and I would expect it to work this way for all media played with the PS3....

Not so when you play a Game, an Xvid or DIVX movie 2 channel OR 5.1, or even simple 2 channel music played from an MP3 file.

In all the above circumstances my Receiver shows MPCM and all 7 Channels are lit even though sound is playing out of only the active channels in the source...

When playing a 2 channel MP3 from my WMP11 media server it shows MPCM with all 7 channels lit..... but sound only comes out of the L&R channels. All other channels are silent.

When playing a 5.1 channel Game such as Devil May Cry 4 I see MPCM with all 7 channels lit. I get sound out of all of the 5.1 channels and silence out of the back two channels.

This presents a problem for those of us with 7.1 speaker setups. For movies I have no problems. With games, Divx video and MP3 Music I am unable to run Dolby PLIIx processing on the active channels to get all 7 channels playing something. More importantly MP3s played though the PS3 will only play through the L&R channel preventing me from using my subwoofer.

I can already mess with the Audio output settings and get it to output the correct number of channels, but only if I manually turn off the channels I DON'T want it to output for the given media in the PS3 audio output menu. This is NOT how it should work...

What I am trying to achieve with absolutely no work arounds is this:

I want to play a 5.1 Game and have it output 5.1 channels of MPCM.
I want to play a 2 Channel Mp3 and have it output 2.0 LPCM.
I want to play a 2 Channel Xvid or Divx movie and have it output only the two channels in LCPM.

What the PS3 currently does is:

I play a 5.1 Channel PS3 game and I recieve 7.1 Channels of MPCM at the receiver. Only 5.1 Channels have sound playing but I am unable to process Dolby PLIIX because the RECEIVER sees 7.1 channels of MPCM signal. The Source media is 5.1 and the PS3 is outputting 7.1 MPCM
I play a 2 Channel MP3 audio file and I recieve 7.1 Channels of MPCM at the receiver. Only 2 Channels have sound playing but I am unable to process Dolby PLIIX because the RECEIVER sees 7.1 channels of MPCM signal. The Source media is 2 Channel and the PS3 is outputting 7.1 MPCM
I play a 2 Channel Divx or Xvid movie and I recieve 7.1 Channels of MPCM at the receiver. Only 2 Channels have sound playing, but I am unable to process Dolby PLIIX because the RECEIVER sees 7.1 channels of MPCM signal. The Source media is 2 Channel and the PS3 is outputting 7.1 MPCM

The PS3 is capable of outputting only 2 Channel or only 5.1 MPCM if you manually disable all the other options. So it isn't an issue with my Receiver. It even works normally with DVDs and BluRays.... Clearly the PS3 is capable of switching between the Audio output formats automatically...

Just not when playing MP3s, DIVX Video or PS3 Games....

Can someone else Try EXACTLY what I have outlined here with no other changes and see if you have the same issue?

Post your hardware and what you used to test it.

I'm hoping to bend Sony's ear about this issue and get it fixed if at all possible. I have an E-mail in with their tech support but I figure it wouldn't hurt if I could link them to a thread with lots of people exhibiting the same symptoms.

[QUOTE=applejackaz;13217869]Please do bend Sony's ear on this, it s**ks. Onkyo 605 and my media server and cd's just as you described. :mad:


With lower HDMI receivers that can accept multi channel PCM ( not 2 ch or passthrough ), they are basicly READ ONLY. They play what they are fed wether it be 2.0 or 5.1 they can't change it. When playing the source use the triangle options button and go to AV settings and change from HDMI/PCM to HDMI/BITSTREAM and see if you can use the receivers sound options. The PS3 only decodes it doesn't change it, so the PS3 sends all channels to your receiver and your receiver plays only the channels that are live; sense your receiver can't manipulate it, it plays what it gets.
IT IS NOT a PS3 problem.

I do not have my PS3 hooked up to my internet.
I'm only using it for Blu-ray and games.You definitely want to get it connected to the Net---if for no other reason, you're missing out on demos and PSN games from the PlayStation store...

I can download movie files but how can those be played on a ps3?

I was perusing this thread but I haven't had time to read all 487 pages. My question is : Is it possible to use the PS3 as a BD player and SD DVD player using component connections and an optical cable to my Yamaha AV receiver? I haven't checked to see if the PS3 even has an optical output for sound. My current tv is a panny ED so it doesn't have any HDMI connection capabilities. It does have component inputs and my receiver has an optical input. It would be nice if I could use this type of connection. I'd buy a ps3 in a heartbeat.

Also Citat3962,

I have a Sony Str-Dg2100 and have noticed the same thing.

But with PS3 games, the games seem to operate as they should.

DMC4, Time crisis 4, Rock Band all play in DD5.1 and the receiver reports such. One of the PSN downloadable games, Puzzle Fighter, I think (will verify when I get home) will output 2 channel PCM.

But all other games are outputting 7.1 PCM.

A good reference game is uncharted as it lets you toggle the audio output options.

I was perusing this thread but I haven't had time to read all 487 pages. My question is : Is it possible to use the PS3 as a BD player and SD DVD player using component connections and an optical cable to my Yamaha AV receiver? I haven't checked to see if the PS3 even has an optical output for sound. My current tv is a panny ED so it doesn't have any HDMI connection capabilities. It does have component inputs and my receiver has an optical input. It would be nice if I could use this type of connection. I'd buy a ps3 in a heartbeat.


yes and yes but you need to buy a special sony component cable.

i believe.

I can download movie files but how can those be played on a ps3?

I just installed a 320gb drive for this very reason. It involves ripping the main movie of the DVD and useing a vob2mpg to make 1 big VOB file. Then you can play it on the PS3....or stream it from a DLNA/Upnp server.

The PS3 is extremely picky on what it can and cannot play.

yes and yes but you need to buy a special sony component cable.

i believe.

The PS2 and PS3 cables are identical. I believe it can do 1080p over component as well.

My firmware is 2.0 right now.

But I do not have my PS3 hooked up to my internet.

I'm only using it for Blu-ray and games.

Use a flashdrive to update it

yes and yes but you need to buy a special sony component cable.

i believe.

Thanks for the info. Now I plan to buy another ps3 and hook it up to my panny pro model which is an ED display. Am I correct in assuming that the optical audio hookup will give me at least dolby pro logic sound? I need surround sound for the movies.

I just installed a 320gb drive for this very reason. It involves ripping the main movie of the DVD and useing a vob2mpg to make 1 big VOB file. Then you can play it on the PS3....or stream it from a DLNA/Upnp server.

The PS3 is extremely picky on what it can and cannot play.

Isn't that the other way around? You would want to create a big MPG file and not VOB?

VOB files basically are MPEG files.

The reason to use a program like VOB2MPG is to consolidate the separate VOB files into one big file. You can try just renaming the file to a MPG extension.

Is it possible to use the PS3 as a BD player and SD DVD player using component connections and an optical cable to my Yamaha AV receiver?

Although you can use the PS3 as a SD DVD player, I'm fairly certain the PS3 will only upconvert games to 1080p via component. You'll need HDMI to upscale DVDs to 1080p.

Sorry for a simple non-tech question, but, how long did it take for most to receive their 5 "freebies"? My form was mailed 4 weeks ago.

Sorry for a simple non-tech question, but, how long did it take for most to receive their 5 "freebies"? My form was mailed 4 weeks ago.


About six weeks.

About six weeks.
Thanks. And is there a place to check to see if they received. I should have mailed with confirmation.

Thanks. And is there a place to check to see if they received. I should have mailed with confirmation.


Some folks over on the Samsung BD-P1400 posted a link. But for the life of me, I can't remember what it is. Maybe you'll get lucky with Google?

How does the PS3 playing Blu-Ray discs look when displaying at only 720p or 1080i (or is that not possible)? I bought an upconverting Sony DVD player to use with my Panny 42PC77U (720p plasma), but I am kinda disappointed so far at its upconversion quality when playing my SD DVD's. I can feed my TV a 1080p signal, but from what I understand, it will be downconverted.

So in a nutshell, will I get the Blu-Ray quality with a PS3 hooked up to my 720p/1080i television?

Ok, I'm out of it :confused:. % freebies of what? And how? Thanks, but my eyes hurt from reading so much, on a plus side, Purchasing the 4665f tomorrow!

How does the PS3 playing Blu-Ray discs look when displaying at only 720p or 1080i (or is that not possible)? I bought an upconverting Sony DVD player to use with my Panny 42PC77U (720p plasma), but I am kinda disappointed so far at its upconversion quality when playing my SD DVD's. I can feed my TV a 1080p signal, but from what I understand, it will be downconverted.

So in a nutshell, will I get the Blu-Ray quality with a PS3 hooked up to my 720p/1080i television?

in a nutshell, yes you will. I have the panny px75u and running a 1080p signal from my ps3. I'm very happy.

-Vic

Some folks over on the Samsung BD-P1400 posted a link. But for the life of me, I can't remember what it is. Maybe you'll get lucky with Google?
Thanks again. I'll go over there.

Try this one to see about your blu rays

https://portal.archway.com/run/Lookup?key=BVISTA

Good Luck
dhenry5320

in a nutshell, yes you will. I have the panny px75u and running a 1080p signal from my ps3. I'm very happy.-Vic

+1
I have the TH-50PX60X (768P) and I'm not even thinking about a 1080. I'm happy with BD and DVD.

I did a little research and it seems that from viewing distances outside 10' on a 50" screen, 1080 might not make much difference.

Anybody??

Ok, I'm out of it :confused:. % freebies of what? And how? Thanks, but my eyes hurt from reading so much, on a plus side, Purchasing the 4665f tomorrow!

free free free? :D

Try this one to see about your blu rays

https://portal.archway.com/run/Lookup?key=BVISTA

Good Luck
dhenry5320
Thanks.

BTW, just tried it and says there's no record.:confused::confused: It's been 4 wks.

Thanks.

BTW, just tried it and says there's no record.:confused::confused: It's been 4 wks.

It took about 10 weeks for me to get mine and they even substituted my #1 Favorite (Italian Job) with Happy Feet (oh boy). There's actually a separate thread on this at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=893682.

+1
I have the TH-50PX60X (768P) and I'm not even thinking about a 1080. I'm happy with BD and DVD.

I did a little research and it seems that from viewing distances outside 10' on a 50" screen, 1080 might not make much difference.

Anybody??

I've read the same thing as well. Ideal viewing of 1080p on a 50" screen is 6'-10' and outside that 720p is just as good for most folks. That works for regular DVD viewing, however, gamers generally sit much closer to the screen which is when it really makes a difference having a 1080p vs. 720p display.

Has anyone mentioned the new Sony BD players...the BD-S350, BD-S550...
NEW PLAYA'S (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1000181).

I am waiting for the debate to start if the PS3 is still the best option for the Best BD player compared to these bitstreaming options. I am sure the PS3 is atleast still the best future proof BD player. Is it confirmed yet if the PS3 being a 2.0 profile is a firmware or hardware update?

I am still patiently waiting to see which BD player is the way to go.

I am still patiently waiting to see which BD player is the way to go.

How do you do that??:confused:

What firmware fix? . . . I hope it comes, for those of you who are owners; but I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm not even confident the BD-50 will have its predecessor's issues fixed. But here's to hoping!!! I, for one, am very pleased with the PS3 as my primary Blu-ray player. The only one that comes close is the Denon 3800 (and at 5X the cost); of course its target is much different than the PS3 and will appeal to those who have very high-end multi-channel non-HDMI processors that need their players to have internal decoding. The Denon 2500 is another choice, but still at least at twice the price of the PS3 (and as of yet still saddled with the same problems of the BD-30; granted, the Denon has far better work-a-rounds than the Panny - and I do have confidence that Denon will come through with their promised update-fix).

I'm no Sony fan-boy (been a Denon fan for a long while; unfortunately no Denon in my current line-up). However, IMO, as of right now, the PS3 is still one of the best bets in currently-competent and futurely-upgradable Blu-ray players (and I was guessing all of this PS3 hype would end after CES . . . )

. . . OK . . . read all the intervening posts since I first penned. No, I don't think the PS3 is w/o issues. However, in my experience, I've only had one playback issue and it was w/ one of the POTC Blu-rays, and, for some reason (updates?) it doesn't occur any longer. Course I only have a 50-disc +/- Blu-ray library, so for those of you with more extensive collections, your views may be more valid than mine. But, I'm still in the PS3 camp; and I fully intend to buy a stand-alone Blu-ray player when a worthy one comes out - still waiting . . .

- da Choge

The BD30 firmware fix is out and appears to fix the problems (based on the posts I see), so I have no problem recommending the BD30 again. After seeing how Onkyo and Samsung support their customers, it's nice to see a company provide good support. Panasonic deserves extra consideration because of this.

So if the PS3 cannot bitstream a sound format, then your receiver is nothing more than an amplifier? No need worry about whether it could decode TruHD in the first place.

I ask this because, why would I spend big dollars on a receiver if the PS3 can do all the decoding? Which formats does the PS3 bitsream?

Thanks again

There's a lot more to a better receiver than which formats they decode. That's actually a secondary item.

in a nutshell, yes you will. I have the panny px75u and running a 1080p signal from my ps3. I'm very happy.

-Vic

Thanks for the response. I think I'll be taking back my Sony upconverting DVD player and getting a PS3.

Right... Now I hear that Blu-ray players are going to be more interactive and have that profile update later on down the road this year. However, I'm wondering when the firmware update for the PS3 will be coming to bring these same features to that? I'm thinking that Sony would take equal amounts of care with the PS3 that they are with their upcoming S350/550.

Hey guys,
I just got a HDMI capable receiver (Yammie v2700) and noticed the XMB shows MPCM 6.1 or 7.1 can not tell which one exactly since Surround Back light is on and I have the receiver set up for 7.1. Is this normal, should the XMB sending the receiver a 7.1 MPCM signal?

Hey guys,
I just got a HDMI capable receiver (Yammie v2700) and noticed the XMB shows MPCM 6.1 or 7.1 can not tell which one exactly since Surround Back light is on and I have the receiver set up for 7.1. Is this normal, should the XMB sending the receiver a 7.1 MPCM signal?

Yep, that's normal. It's 7.1.

Hi,
I have a Sammy LCD that displays in 60fps. To get the best PQ should I

setup my PS3 for 60fps or leave it at 24fps (default) ? Thanks

Right... Now I hear that Blu-ray players are going to be more interactive and have that profile update later on down the road this year. However, I'm wondering when the firmware update for the PS3 will be coming to bring these same features to that? I'm thinking that Sony would take equal amounts of care with the PS3 that they are with their upcoming S350/550.

I would search the thread to look for more info.

Profile 2.0 and the ps3 are well chronicled in here. Lots of rumors around CES time.

-Splints

New PS3 40GB owner here. So hello fellow PS3 peeps!

Only complaint thus far is Audio is REALLLLY low comming out of the PS3 compaired to my XA2. Nice piece of equipment for the price paid though.


Start a movie,hit the "option" key on the remote, look for the audio symbol,click on it, then adjust volume up...;)

It took about 10 weeks for me to get mine and they even substituted my #1 Favorite (Italian Job) with Happy Feet (oh boy). There's actually a separate thread on this at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=893682.
Thanks. I called and found out that they did receive my form and it's being processed. Still could take some time to receive though. Just glad they got it and now hoping that I get it!

I would search the thread to look for more info.

Profile 2.0 and the ps3 are well chronicled in here. Lots of rumors around CES time.

-Splints

Right, I read and replied to that info. However, I was wondering about release dates, or when to expect the firmware updates, that's what I was getting at... I knew it was coming, but I'm not too sure if those would be made available before the S350/550 BD players were released, or not.

Does anyone know if there will be any hardware changes to the PS3 40G anytime soon. I am at the cross-roads. I definitely want to take advantage of the 100 dollar credit with the Sony Credit card purchases from SonyStyle; however, I was waiting to see if there would be any other upgrades to the PS3 soon. I don't want to wait to long and loose that opportunity. Also, if I have to wait longer than 3 months I would rather buy what is available now.

Also, are there no more promos with the 5 free Blu Ray movies?

Does anyone know if there will be any hardware changes to the PS3 40G anytime soon. I am at the cross-roads. I definitely want to take advantage of the 100 dollar credit with the Sony Credit card purchases from SonyStyle; however, I was waiting to see if there would be any other upgrades to the PS3 soon. I don't want to wait to long and loose that opportunity. Also, if I have to wait longer than 3 months I would rather buy what is available now.

Just got my "interm" ps3 a few days ago with the $100 off and I don't know why I waited. It has a great BD pix as expected but it is so much more. Fantastic to see last years vacation pixs streamed in very high def along with my music. Kinda nice to surf the internet after the wife has gone to bed from the easy chair. Only thing some computer smarts are required. Not sure I would give it up now even for the BD50. :)

However, I'm wondering when the firmware update for the PS3 will be coming to bring these same features to that?I just saw something on this today (http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News-115890.aspx) saying that it could be "as early as May or June".

Is a keyboard necessary to surf the net?
What browser is it?

Is a keyboard necessary to surf the net?
What browser is it?
Keyboard is not necessary, but makes it a lot easier. The browser is proprietary, don't expect too much from it. Most plug-ins don't work with it.

Does anyone know if there will be any hardware changes to the PS3 40G anytime soon. I am at the cross-roads. I definitely want to take advantage of the 100 dollar credit with the Sony Credit card purchases from SonyStyle; however, I was waiting to see if there would be any other upgrades to the PS3 soon. I don't want to wait to long and loose that opportunity. Also, if I have to wait longer than 3 months I would rather buy what is available now.

Also, are there no more promos with the 5 free Blu Ray movies?


I bought my 40G version about two weeks ago at BB. I was given a receipt with the five promo disc option on it.

BDP-S350

will this player beat out the PS3?

looks like the PS3 will not be the best blu ray player after the new ones come out this year.

looks like the PS3 will not be the best blu ray player after the new ones come out this year.It depends on what criteria you use to determine what's the "best"...

Citat3962 the PS3 seems to output everything at 7.1 (5.1) PCM (if it is turned on in sound settings) unless told otherwise by the software that it is running, movies of course rely on what the HDMI audio output setting is set to (To override or not) . It does not bother me at all but please tell me Sony's answer.

As for the Sony BDP-S350 it has one advantage from the start, it can bit stream DD True HD, but according to what I have read it does not support DST HD and it does not have any local storage. The BDP-S550 is the more robust player, with DTS HD and 1GB of local storage.

If anyone is looking for the hard to find 80gb you might try Sam's. It's not listed on their website but I was at my local store yesterday and they had a dozen 80gb models bundled with Motorstorm for $549. Seems kind of expensive but If you really want one give it a shot. YMMV.

BDP-S350

will this player beat out the PS3?

looks like the PS3 will not be the best blu ray player after the new ones come out this year.

only if you need analog outs. nothing else there that the ps3 lacks.

As for the Sony BDP-S350 it has one advantage from the start, it can bit stream DD True HD . . .

it's debatable whether that's an advantage or not. bitstream vs. pcm shouldn't make a difference.

OK, so to take this another step.

I was not aware of the scope of the debate of bitstreaming vs. PCM as a method of delivery. If none of the current crop of BD players allow bitstreaming for advanced codecs, what is the point of having a receiver that can decode them? after all if the BD player has already decoded it?

It seems to me that a receiver that can support HDMI 1.3 is all you need for advanced codecs. Is that right?

For some of us, having a receiver that can cope with the HD codecs works quite well with other units in our HT setup.

Like my A35.... :D

Seggers

The BD30 firmware fix is out and appears to fix the problems (based on the posts I see), so I have no problem recommending the BD30 again. After seeing how Onkyo and Samsung support their customers, it's nice to see a company provide good support. Panasonic deserves extra consideration because of this.

i agree fw1.6 has put the bd30 on top of its game. it is now one of the best choices for a stand alone player and since the bd1.1 pip fix is in and beat the ps3 i will be staying with the bd30 as my ht choice. i still love my ps3 units however the dts-ma fix is still no where to be found.

i agree fw1.6 has put the bd30 on top of its game. it is now one of the best choices for a stand alone player and since the bd1.1 pip fix is in and beat the ps3 i will be staying with the bd30 as my ht choice. i still love my ps3 units however the dts-ma fix is still no where to be found.

I know this is slightly off-topic, but what did the firmware fix address on the BD30?

Brandon

I bought my 40G version about two weeks ago at BB. I was given a receipt with the five promo disc option on it.

Just make sure you read over the rebate form they gave you because the 5 free disc offer ran from 10/1/07 to 1/31/08.Also the submission must be postmarked by 2/29/08 if you haven't already sent it in.

I know this is slightly off-topic, but what did the firmware fix address on the BD30?

Brandon

Check the corresponding thread...

I know this is slightly off-topic, but what did the firmware fix address on the BD30?

Brandon

most important to me was:
>it fixed the issue on RE3 (and most likely all pip discs) to allow the HBR codec.

haven't tried it yet however it claims to have fixed the LFE issue on UPCM

check the link or see the bd30 thread:

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/bd/download/bd30/bd30.html

Thanks Cappy.

Brandon

OOOOOOOkkkk buddy..

I'll take it from the top since you are reading impared...

First off the PS3 is handling the decoding...

I didn't think the PS3 would send more channels than the original source media has on it....... IN FACT THATS THE PROBLEM

I bought my reciever based on the fact that it can support Dolby PLIIX on a 5.1 LPCM signal??......

I did spend almost a month researching this which lead me to buying one of the FEW low end models that support it!

Onkyo 705
Yamaha RX-V661

There may be others but I know both those are able to perform surround processing on a 5.1 LPCM Signal! I am not hoping to use the receivers "sound options" I'm hoping for the PS3 to pass the active PCM channels through to my reciever which will blindly play those channels... 2 channel 5.1 channel or 7.1.

The issue is it outputs 7.1 channels to the reciever no matter how many channels the Source media has..

If you have any further questions take it to PM but don't assume THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH THE PS3 just because you lack the patience to read 500 words distinctly describing a repeatable issue with the PS3 and certain Audio sources.

People like you are the reason issues like these fester and never get fixed.... It's blatantly obvious you have no idea what I was referring to and if you did you either lack the equipment to test it out or simply assumed you were right without reading a ****ing thing.

I'll post back after I get a response from Sony. My guess is they are aware of the issue and either working on a solution..... or it functions this way by design for compatibility reasons.

Who pooped in your corn flakes? Anyways we are here to help each other not crap on each other. Yes I did read all of your post plus a couple others that posted after you with the same type of problem.That is why the general answer. I also read your manual for your RX-V661. On pg.77 rear speaker set up you want to turn it from auto to on. This forces the rears on all the time. This should allow dplIIx, also make sure you are not using pure direct or straight decoding mode for they will disable your sound fields. Hope your having a better day.

Keyboard is not necessary, but makes it a lot easier. The browser is proprietary, don't expect too much from it. Most plug-ins don't work with it.

If you're just browsing, I don't think a keyboard is necessary at all. I much prefer browsing with a mouse, though. If you hope to participate in forums like this one, then a keyboard becomes a quite delicious luxury. :)

I definitely hope a future firmware update allows me to use Opera. Even Firefox would be acceptable.

If you're just browsing, I don't think a keyboard is necessary at all. I much prefer browsing with a mouse, though. If you hope to participate in forums like this one, then a keyboard becomes a quite delicious luxury. :)

I definitely hope a future firmware update allows me to use Opera. Even Firefox would be acceptable.
I was thinking of typing in web addresses and such. And you can install Firefox on the PS3 if you've installed Linux. But I think FF for the cell is still v. 1.5 and plugins are still hard to find. There is a Java Firefox plugin though.

More info here if you're interested...
http://www.yellowdog-board.com/viewforum.php?f=19

Clearly no. It can play various types of media files via UPnP AV servers (DLNA), but it will not function as a Microsoft Windows Media Center Extender. There is no way Sony would implement that. If you want a real MCE, you'll need an Xbox 360... or one of the new MCE solutions. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/mediacenterextender/default.mspx

that's too bad. i'm trying to find a blu-ray player that can be a real window media center extender. somewhere else someone metioned TVersity?? is that a real media center extender? it didn't appear to be.

thanks

If you can hold off until then, a new 80 gb sku will start shipping in June.

Instead of motorstorm, it will ship with metal gear solid 4 and a dualshock 3 controller @ same list price $499.

Sony's official PS3 blog site has the news: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/02/26/destination-playstation-news-mgs-ps3-bundle-kratos-psp-and-dualshock3-release-date-by/

I was thinking of typing in web addresses and such. And you can install Firefox on the PS3 if you've installed Linux. But I think FF for the cell is still v. 1.5 and plugins are still hard to find. There is a Java Firefox plugin though.

More info here if you're interested...
http://www.yellowdog-board.com/viewforum.php?f=19

Are you all serious about this?

The PS3 is great for many things, but as a portal to the web, too many hoops to jump through.

Time will tell. For now back to all those codec issues and when they come.

In the meantime I will enjoy some new releases and the last word in video quality.

Joe

The BD30 firmware fix is out and appears to fix the problems (based on the posts I see) . . . Panasonic deserves extra consideration because of this.Duly noted and I'm very pleased; this means the BD-50 should not be crippled with the LFE issue. And kudos to Panasonic for fixing what seemed to be a very difficult issue (from what I've read). Although the BD-30 is reportedly slightly lacking in premium quality SD-DVD 1080p upconversion capabilities (and presumably the BD-50 will follow in its footsteps), the 50 should still be a primo player when released, and at (hopefully) an affordable price. To bring this post sideways back on topic, I'm still totally happy with the PS3 and wouldn't think of giving it up even when I do get a standalone; the BD-50 now moving into the front-runner of that pack.

- john

I have one sonystyle coupon for $50 on any purchases $500 or more. Pm me for coupon code. Coupon expires 2/29

Just ran an experiment...PS3 audio out set to LPCM - Pioneer 1015TX reciever connected by opical. Sound mode set to "Pro Logic IIx movie +THX. For me now when I play a film in the 5.1 uncompressed mode, it sounds much better than the standard DD soundtrack. I believe the PS3 will send 2 channel uncompress audio thru the optical output and my reciever will pass it thru the above setting with much better results than the standard DD 5.1

A little off subject but I need a little help please.

For some reason, I've overlooked a switcher for all of the HDMI's that I'm now accumulating. I assume the one from Monorice is the best value, correct?

But, which one would be the best one from them. I have (2) HDMI inputs on my projector and my sources are an A35, XA2, HD-805, and PS3. So, I know it will be a (4) config. (although I may be losing one). And then if I want it to be w/remote, I guess. Also, I only have (2) opticals on the preamp.

I have one sonystyle coupon for $50 on any purchases $500 or more. Pm me for coupon code. Coupon expires 2/29

I have that same coupon :)

Brandon

Just ran an experiment...PS3 audio out set to LPCM - Pioneer 1015TX reciever connected by opical. Sound mode set to "Pro Logic IIx movie +THX. For me now when I play a film in the 5.1 uncompressed mode, it sounds much better than the standard DD soundtrack. I believe the PS3 will send 2 channel uncompress audio thru the optical output and my reciever will pass it thru the above setting with much better results than the standard DD 5.1

It may sound better to you because the base audio is uncompressed.

But be aware you are not getting true discrete digital surround. What's happening is that you're sending a downmixed 2-channel LPCM stream to the receiver, and DPL is *synthesizing* the center and surround channels from the stereo. (That's what Pro Logic does to any stereo source.) Same with the original separate LFE channel; now the receiver is simply sending all bass below the cutoff to the sub.

When a movie soundtrack contains very specific directional cues, you will find that DPL is incapable of recreating them. True discrete surround never combines the channels. Also, DPL is bandwidth-limited, not full-range like all 5.1 surround schemes.

So you're trading the movie's intended surround mix for the better basic quality of uncompressed audio. A valid choice in many situations, I think, but you should understand the tradeoff.

You may want to try a very effects-laden movie with an active surround mix in both modes, listening specifically for the differences in detail and clarity in the surround channels, as well as for precise spacial location of effects. Then you can better assess what you're trading away in order to get better basic sound quality.

It may sound better to you because the base audio is uncompressed.

But be aware you are not getting true discrete digital surround. What's happening is that you're sending a downmixed 2-channel LPCM stream to the receiver, and DPL is *synthesizing* the center and surround channels from the stereo. (That's what Pro Logic does to any stereo source.) Same with the original separate LFE channel; now the receiver is simply sending all bass below the cutoff to the sub.

When a movie soundtrack contains very specific directional cues, you will find that DPL is incapable of recreating them. True discrete surround never combines the channels. Also, DPL is bandwidth-limited, not full-range like all 5.1 surround schemes.

So you're trading the movie's intended surround mix for the better basic quality of uncompressed audio. A valid choice in many situations, I think, but you should understand the tradeoff.

You may want to try a very effects-laden movie with an active surround mix in both modes, listening specifically for the differences in detail and clarity in the surround channels, as well as for precise spacial location of effects. Then you can better assess what you're trading away in order to get better basic sound quality.

Wouldn't a audio track with a more active surround mix be a good test for the difference? I seem to remember Spiderman 3 having very active surrounds and it's a pretty good audio track.

Brandon

I don't post here often (I'm much more active on the "sister site" of DBSTalk.com) - but just wanted to thank you all for the brilliant info in this thread. I just ordered the 40gig/Spiderman 3 combo today. I'm glad the format war is over and I can just buy a darn player and not worry too much about obsolescence at a moment's notice.

It may sound better to you because the base audio is uncompressed.

But be aware you are not getting true discrete digital surround. What's happening is that you're sending a downmixed 2-channel LPCM stream to the receiver, and DPL is *synthesizing* the center and surround channels from the stereo. (That's what Pro Logic does to any stereo source.) Same with the original separate LFE channel; now the receiver is simply sending all bass below the cutoff to the sub.

When a movie soundtrack contains very specific directional cues, you will find that DPL is incapable of recreating them. True discrete surround never combines the channels. Also, DPL is bandwidth-limited, not full-range like all 5.1 surround schemes.

So you're trading the movie's intended surround mix for the better basic quality of uncompressed audio. A valid choice in many situations, I think, but you should understand the tradeoff.

You may want to try a very effects-laden movie with an active surround mix in both modes, listening specifically for the differences in detail and clarity in the surround channels, as well as for precise spacial location of effects. Then you can better assess what you're trading away in order to get better basic sound quality.


Very good info. I will try Spiderman 3 like bplewis suggested. The hughe difference for me was Elton John 60th B-day bash concert. The only audio option on the disc was uncompressed audio, no DD 5.1 track or DTS for that matter

If you're just browsing, I don't think a keyboard is necessary at all. I much prefer browsing with a mouse, though. If you hope to participate in forums like this one, then a keyboard becomes a quite delicious luxury. :)

I definitely hope a future firmware update allows me to use Opera. Even Firefox would be acceptable.

What type of keyboard will work?

Last night I watched my first sd-dvd (Transformers) on my ps3,I have to say the pq was totally under whelming. Is something amiss? Any comments appreciated.

Last night I watched my first sd-dvd (Transformers) on my ps3,I have to say the pq was totally under whelming. Is something amiss? Any comments appreciated.

Considering that you said this is the first dvd you have tried, I would start with comparing a few other discs to see if the results are similar. Also check the resolution that the discs are playing at and make sure it hasnt changed for dvds.

What type of keyboard will work?A USB or Bluetooth keyboard.

What is the use of these higher khz settings? Is there games or movies recorded in these formats?

arent we limited to 48/96khz for mulitchannel?

Last night I watched my first sd-dvd (Transformers) on my ps3,I have to say the pq was totally under whelming. Is something amiss? Any comments appreciated.

I'm holding off on buying any SDs for a while. I have Transformers on HD-DVD and it's one of the reference films for HD. I imagine, that most of the HD-DVD only releases will eventually released on BD. I'm sure some one will soon figure out how to port HD-DVDs to BD in full quality. You may lose some "extras" but the video and audio tracks should be unaffected.

Considering that you said this is the first dvd you have tried, I would start with comparing a few other discs to see if the results are similar. Also check the resolution that the discs are playing at and make sure it hasnt changed for dvds.


Thanks, What would be the best way to check the resolution?

Last night I watched my first sd-dvd (Transformers) on my ps3,I have to say the pq was totally under whelming. Is something amiss? Any comments appreciated.
Transformers is a terrible disc to use as a demo. Even the HD-DVD version I played on my XA2 only looked so-so. Standard def of that DVD looks like the worst bootleg movie I ever saw. Try another DVD.

Transformers is a terrible disc to use as a demo. Even the HD-DVD version I played on my XA2 only looked so-so. Standard def of that DVD looks like the worst bootleg movie I ever saw. Try another DVD.
HD-A35 player with a Tosh 42HL167 TV And both SD and HD are stunning. I have not tried the SD on PS3 yet but I am curious and will give it a try tomorrow.

Ok, I am really pissed. I was ready to buy the 80gb a few weeks ago, and the sonystyle sales rep told me to wait for 2 days because a new sale was going to be posted....when i checked back 2 days later the 80gb was gone.

Today I posted the great promos for the 40gb. I just went on-line to buy it (after I applied for my Sony Credit card) and THAT IS GONE TOO!!

I called SonyStyle (still can't get a hold of the rep I talked to this morning - Anica), and they were suprised the 40GB is showing out of stock on the web site. They put me on hold to look into it and then told me they don't know if they are going to get any more 40gb in stock, or if it will be discontinued for good!! YARGGHHHH!!!!!:mad:

Transformers is a terrible disc to use as a demo. Even the HD-DVD version I played on my XA2 only looked so-so. Standard def of that DVD looks like the worst bootleg movie I ever saw. Try another DVD.

I think its less the actual replication and quality as to the movie itself. The movie just has to much motion which to me made it hard to even ever really see a good view of any transformer. The sound and video themselves were pretty good. I wouldn’t use it as a demo either. I use animated movies such as Cars or Rat which truly look stunning.

Last night I watched my first sd-dvd (Transformers) on my ps3,I have to say the pq was totally under whelming. Is something amiss? Any comments appreciated.

Have you checked that the "DVD Upscaler" is on?

Look under Settings > BD / DVD Settings > DVD Upscaler

Link to manual (http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/bdsettings.html#2449)

Ok, I am really pissed. I was ready to buy the 80gb a few weeks ago, and the sonystyle sales rep told me to wait for 2 days because a new sale was going to be posted....when i checked back 2 days later the 80gb was gone.

Today I posted the great promos for the 40gb. I just went on-line to buy it (after I applied for my Sony Credit card) and THAT IS GONE TOO!!

I called SonyStyle (still can't get a hold of the rep I talked to this morning - Anica), and they were suprised the 40GB is showing out of stock on the web site. They put me on hold to look into it and then told me they don't know if they are going to get any more 40gb in stock, or if it will be discontinued for good!! YARGGHHHH!!!!!:mad:


The new bundle that will be out in Q2 is an 80GB PS3 w/MGS4 and a DS controller for 499.

PS3 40gb SOLD OUT on SonyStyle....confirmed!

PS3 40gb SOLD OUT on SonyStyle....confirmed!

That's weird. You have to wonder if they stopped manufacturing that particular bundle or if demand was just that high?

It's available as Best Buy's website for shipping and pick-up. I'm thinking SonyStyle has solid demand and their warehouses are simply supply-constrained. Funny.

Brandon

That's weird. You have to wonder if they stopped manufacturing that particular bundle or if demand was just that high?

It's available as Best Buy's website for shipping and pick-up. I'm thinking SonyStyle has solid demand and their warehouses are simply supply-constrained. Funny.

BrandonI wonder if there has been a surge in demand with HD DVD going under? It likely takes months to react to an increase in demand.

I wonder if there has been a surge in demand with HD DVD going under? It likely takes months to react to an increase in demand.

I have no doubts that demand has increased but we can only speculate as to what the level of increase actually is. I fully expect the PS3 to once again outsell the 360 for the month of February, but this time in larger quantities with the different attributed in large part to Blu-ray winning the format war.

Next months figures will be interesting.

Brandon

It's available as Best Buy's website for shipping and pick-up.


It's also available from Sears, Target and from Dell online (among other places).

I wonder if there has been a surge in demand with HD DVD going under? It likely takes months to react to an increase in demand.

There has been a surge in PS3 questions, it seems. :)

Still see both varieties of 40GB at retail. Looks like the Spidey3 bundle is slowly thinning, though. Can't wait for a new higher end SKU that has BC/SACD, etc. Hopefully we'll see satin silver in the US... Otherwise, I might have to import a Japanese one (if they had card readers, BC, etc I'd already have it).

HD-A35 player with a Tosh 42HL167 TV And both SD and HD are stunning. I have not tried the SD on PS3 yet but I am curious and will give it a try tomorrow.

2 Fast 2 Furious on HD DVD has one of the best PQ I've ever seen. I thought it was way better than Transformers. Check it out if you can.

anyone know anything about my last posts

I have no doubts that demand has increased but we can only speculate as to what the level of increase actually is. I fully expect the PS3 to once again outsell the 360 for the month of February, but this time in larger quantities with the different attributed in large part to Blu-ray winning the format war.

Next months figures will be interesting.

Brandon
I agree, sales figures should be quite interesting for Feb. Not that games aren't great now, but if game companies would just start developing games for the PS3 that fully take advantage of the Cell and everything else the PS3 has to offer I think the PS3 could end up equaling the PS2 in terms of popularity. There's really no excuse for simple ports from other platforms, not anymore.

anyone know anything about my last posts

The only other posts I see from you are audio related questions that have been answered over and over and over again.

Search or even google are your friend.

I wonder if there has been a surge in demand with HD DVD going under? It likely takes months to react to an increase in demand.

Well clearly the demand for BD players in general should increase, but how much of that increase will be directed to the PS3 seems to be hard to estimate. As I see it, I don't think many consumers will see the PS3 as a viable BD player (mostly only gamers and more sophisticated A/V enthusiasts) until SONY can make it more user friendly by packaging a regular remote with it, including a detailed, easy to follow, printed manual, repositioning the advertising, etc.

I think however, that the PS3 demand will increase as a game platform as more and more software, and more sophisticated software hits the shelves, but as you suggest, this will be a bit further down the road. We also have consumers already pulling back with their spending given the current and predicted downturn in the economy, so all BD player mfrs may not see the bump they were hoping for.

Actually, I personally see the PS3 as one of the best kept secrets in home A/V. I don't like to play Monday morning quarterback, but I do think that SONY needs to rethink their overall marketing strategy for the PS3 in terms of the suggestions I made above, and by completely revamping their advertising and positioning strategy.

To wit, I'm pretty much in the know, but I honestly had no idea of the range and depth of capabilities of the PS3 until I got it home and had it in my system for several weeks. Thank goodness I have a son who did and convinced me to buy it even though I was quie reluctant.

Well clearly the demand for BD players in general should increase, but how much of that increase will be directed to the PS3 seems to be hard to estimate. As I see it, I don't think many consumers will see the PS3 as a viable BD player (mostly only gamers and more sophisticated A/V enthusiasts) until SONY can make it more user friendly by packaging a regular remote with it, including a detailed, easy to follow, printed manual, repositioning the advertising, etc.
Good point. Sony could greatly increase BD adoption if they came out with a new PS3 bundle, one that had a new blockbuster movie and the BD remote for $399 or even less. It's almost unfortunate that this machine does so many things so well because it makes it difficult to market to one specific demographic, outside of gaming that is. It's probably the best BD player out right now, but how many times have you heard "I don't want a gaming machine as my BD player?" The marketing for something like this is tricky and can go wrong in so many ways.

The only other posts I see from you are audio related questions that have been answered over and over and over again.

Search or even google are your friend.


Im sorry but if you go back and read the replies you will see that no one has been able to answer the question.

The new bundle that will be out in Q2 is an 80GB PS3 w/MGS4 and a DS controller for 499.

+1 .....deep, If you want the 80g and can wait, I would go with this one.

Good point. Sony could greatly increase BD adoption if they came out with a new PS3 bundle, one that had a new blockbuster movie and the BD remote for $399 or even less. It's almost unfortunate that this machine does so many things so well because it makes it difficult to market to one specific demographic, outside of gaming that is. It's probably the best BD player out right now, but how many times have you heard "I don't want a gaming machine as my BD player?" The marketing for something like this is tricky and can go wrong in so many ways.

Sony should go back to making "full featured" PS3s, improve quaulity contol, better manage their supply chain, revamp their return policy and better staff customer support and service.

I'm not the only one who brought home a box of headaches with their first PS3 and the average BD viewer isn't going to put up with the problems I had if they hear of them ahead of time. The first month of ownership was a nightmare. I realize that these problems are a small minorty but they get most of the ink and that will continue to scare away many that are just looking to replace a DVD player or who might be averse to computers and technology in general.

I'm glad I went ahead and picked up my PS3 this week. I was going to wait and get it at Best Buy but Walmart is one of the only places selling the PS3 + Spiderman 3 bundle still, as Sony has already officially said that they have stopped making those bundles. As a whole, the PS3 package seems very good - build quality, interface, tweaking options, etc. make my 360 seem rather cheap. It's nice to have both systems though, as I can use the 360 strictly for gaming (who knows when it will break anyway :) ) and the PS3 for BD and as a media center of sorts.

Slightly off-topic, has anyone experienced this "Disc reading" issue that I am seeing 40gb owners complaining about around the web?

I have to admit i was against getting a ps3 as a sole BR player but now after reading I think it's the best choice... it is still right? It can be upgraded to a 2.0 player with firmware?

And will the 40gb bundle with spiderman be a good choice?

Have you checked that the "DVD Upscaler" is on?

Look under Settings > BD / DVD Settings > DVD Upscaler

Link to manual (http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/bdsettings.html#2449)


Yes ,everything seems to be set for upscaling,double checked to make sure. Per advice from a former respondent I slipped in another sd-dvd (The Illusionist) last night and the pq was adequate "at best".
I guess I'll have to wait for the new Oppo and give it a spin... By the way ,my display is a 60 inch Pio plasma,if the size of the screen is relevant or not,I don't know...

Oh,I love what the ps3 does for BD though:D

Yes ,everything seems to be set for upscaling,double checked to make sure. Per advice from a former respondent I slipped in another sd-dvd (The Illusionist) last night and the pq was adequate "at best".
I guess I'll have to wait for the new Oppo and give it a spin... By the way ,my display is a 60 inch Pio plasma,if the size of the screen is relevant or not,I don't know...

Oh,I love what the ps3 does for BD though:D

What kind of picture do you get if you turn off Upscaling at the PS3, and let the display to the upscaling?

You're using HDMI? Dispay is 768 lines?

Viewing distance?

Color of viewing room wallpaper? :D

Yes ,everything seems to be set for upscaling,double checked to make sure. Per advice from a former respondent I slipped in another sd-dvd (The Illusionist) last night and the pq was adequate "at best".
I guess I'll have to wait for the new Oppo and give it a spin... By the way ,my display is a 60 inch Pio plasma,if the size of the screen is relevant or not,I don't know...

Oh,I love what the ps3 does for BD though:D


With what's happening these days, you might be able to pick up an XA2 for about the same price. It really does a stellar job of upconverting SD DVDs

+1 .....deep, If you want the 80g and can wait, I would go with this one.

When is Q2?? When I talked to Sony today, they had no expected date for the release for ANY PS3s...but they said they would be the first ones to dispense them. Some guy took my name and info and said he would call me as soon as they get some in. He said the demand has been huge.... especially the last few days.

I want to wait, but I REALLY REALLY wanted to get my PS3 before Easter!! I hate to pout like a kid, but mommy I want one now!:D

I was in my local Blockbuster a couple of days ago, and they had at least 4 PS3 bundles. 80GB version, Motorstorm and Surf's Up games, and a remote control (in addition to the game controller) for $499 (I think... I didn't pay attention to the price as you all can see). It might be worth stopping by and check it out.

Good point. Sony could greatly increase BD adoption if they came out with a new PS3 bundle, one that had a new blockbuster movie and the BD remote for $399 or even less.That's EXACTY the bundle that Circuit City offered earlier this month: the 40Gig PS3 with Spiderman3 inside and the remote for $399. It's almost unfortunate that this machine does so many things so well because it makes it difficult to market to one specific demographic, outside of gaming that is. It's probably the best BD player out right now, but how many times have you heard "I don't want a gaming machine as my BD player?"Which was exactly my viewpoint till:

The realization that the lowest price "pure" BD player was the same price.
A friend (a retired HP exec.) had just purchased one and brought it over to try on my Sony 55A3000 (SXRD). He pointed out the "extras" that the PS3 offered:

Internal storage
Network connections - connects to Media Center for images (I now have a 55" Digital Photo Frame), and music.



The major reason that I STILL MAINTAIN that the demise of HD DVD contributed to the shortage of PS3s is that much of the press about the demise did attribute the PS3 as a major reason that Sony was successful. This brought the capability of the PS3 to the attention of anyone interested i these wars.

It really doesn't take much of a increase in demand to create shortages (Marketing Professor - you should know that).

The PS3 provides great value for techno geeks who may/may not be gamers, but really the mass market is looking for $100 unit that will play HD movies. Until then they will be happy with regular DVD and I don't see the PS3 ever being the mass market player. We have two in our house and I am very happy with them, but I play games a couple of times a week and watch movies a couple of times a week and since it does both well it works for me.

It can be upgraded to a 2.0 player with firmware?It can and will be upgraded to Profile 2.0

Yes ,everything seems to be set for upscaling,double checked to make sure. Per advice from a former respondent I slipped in another sd-dvd (The Illusionist) last night and the pq was adequate "at best".
I guess I'll have to wait for the new Oppo and give it a spin... By the way ,my display is a 60 inch Pio plasma,if the size of the screen is relevant or not,I don't know...

Oh,I love what the ps3 does for BD though:D

size of screen shouldn't matter, I have a 58" panny, and the PS3 does a great job at upscaling. As suggested, try turning off the upscaling feature, see how it looks, and then turn it back on. There should be a dramatic difference. If not, perhaps some setting isn't on.

size of screen shouldn't matter, I have a 58" panny, and the PS3 does a great job at upscaling. As suggested, try turning off the upscaling feature, see how it looks, and then turn it back on. There should be a dramatic difference. If not, perhaps some setting isn't on.

I was able to see this last night, even on a DVD that I had burned. After seeing what a Sony upconverting DVD player did with my SD DVD's, the PS3 is quite a bit better and I noticed the difference right away.

What kind of picture do you get if you turn off Upscaling at the PS3, and let the display to the upscaling?

You're using HDMI? Dispay is 768 lines?

Viewing distance?

Color of viewing room wallpaper? :D


1. Did not try off mode,will try tonight.
2. Yes.Hdmi
3.Display is a 1080p
4.7-8 ft.
5.How did u know I had wallpaper in my room:eek::)

I just want to make sure I understand how to make PS3 stop upconverting and sent native source resolution to my Integra processor: under Display settings, where I set TV resolutions, I have to check all of them? This way PS3 will send signal as it reads from the sourse (480p (or is it 480i?) from SD DVDs, 1080P from BR etc)? DId I get this right? I want to use my Integra Reon upscaler instead of PS3 one. Connected with HDMI.

I just want to make sure I understand how to make PS3 stop upconverting and sent native source resolution to my Integra processor: under Display settings, where I set TV resolutions, I have to check all of them? This way PS3 will send signal as it reads from the sourse (480p (or is it 480i?) from SD DVDs, 1080P from BR etc)? DId I get this right? I want to use my Integra Reon upscaler instead of PS3 one. Connected with HDMI.

I think you can just turn upscaling off in the BD/DVD settings. Not sure if you have to disable 480p or not to get it to output straight 480i (or as the PS3 dubs it "NTSC").

Transformers is a terrible disc to use as a demo. Even the HD-DVD version I played on my XA2 only looked so-so. Standard def of that DVD looks like the worst bootleg movie I ever saw. Try another DVD.
My 1st reply on 2/27
HD-A35 player with a Tosh 42HL167 TV And both SD and HD are stunning. I have not tried the SD on PS3 yet but I am curious and will give it a try tomorrow.
2nd reply today
Played Transformers SD on PS3 and upscale not quite A-35 but a good view.

I have to admit i was against getting a ps3 as a sole BR player but now after reading I think it's the best choice... it is still right? It can be upgraded to a 2.0 player with firmware?

And will the 40gb bundle with spiderman be a good choice?
I like mine and the Spiderman 3 will blow you away.

Anyone have any info on if the upcoming new 80 GB bundle with the DualShock and game will use the smaller processors like the 40GB model?

I'm sure lots of folks would like to have a cooler, quieter model that's full-featured. My 60GB is pretty quiet compared to some out there, but you can never hear the fan on my friend's 40 GB model, even when you're right next to it.

That's my description of my 60. Well close. I have to get right up next to it to hear anything.

I want a silver PS3 with card readers and PS2/SACD capability. I could care less what size the HDD is... just give it to me, SCEA!

Why won't any Blurays from netflix play on my PS3 it has the latest update and is the brandnew 40g version. The movies are 300, planet earth disc4 and NIN. Can someone help me out ?

That's my description of my 60. Well close. I have to get right up next to it to hear anything.

I want a silver PS3 with card readers and PS2/SACD capability. I could care less what size the HDD is... just give it to me, SCEA!

No, I want it to have an HD DVR built in with a huge hard drive and HD DTS and True HD bitstreaming also too besides on top of what you said.

netflix bluerays including 300 played fine on my ps3 80 gig.... do you have any problems with gameS?

Why won't any Blurays from netflix play on my PS3 it has the latest update and is the brandnew 40g version. The movies are 300, planet earth disc4 and NIN. Can someone help me out ?

Do DVDs play?

Two new skus have been announced for Europe. Both are 40gb as thats all they offer there. The game sku comes with Gran Turismo 5 and the "movie bundle" comes with Spiderman 3, Casino Royale and 300. Pictures are up at ps3fanboy.com.

When is Q2?? When I talked to Sony today, they had no expected date for the release for ANY PS3s...but they said they would be the first ones to dispense them. Some guy took my name and info and said he would call me as soon as they get some in. He said the demand has been huge.... especially the last few days.

I want to wait, but I REALLY REALLY wanted to get my PS3 before Easter!! I hate to pout like a kid, but mommy I want one now!:D

LOL! I understand...I am impatient too!

Q1- Jan-Mar
Q2- Apr-June
Q3- July-Sept
Q4- Oct-Dec

No, I want it to have an HD DVR built in with a huge hard drive and HD DTS and True HD bitstreaming also too besides on top of what you said.

I've already got a 160GB in mine. You can get at least 300GB if not higher now. If Sony had put standard SATA drives instead of the laptops, we could be doing terabyte drives and the like... but then would be dealing with a bigger form factor. I'd be happy if they put one or two USB slots on the back of the unit and then we could pick any ol off the shelf USB drive/SATA enclosure. Or just do eSATA....

The movies are 300, planet earth disc4 and NIN. Can someone help me out ?

Probably a silly question, but all those titles are available on HD-DVD as well. Are you sure they didn't send you those by accident?

I've already got a 160GB in mine. You can get at least 300GB if not higher now. If Sony had put standard SATA drives instead of the laptops, we could be doing terabyte drives and the like... but then would be dealing with a bigger form factor. I'd be happy if they put one or two USB slots on the back of the unit and then we could pick any ol off the shelf USB drive/SATA enclosure. Or just do eSATA....

Just popped in a 320gb....I read that 500gb is around the corner.

Why won't any Blurays from netflix play on my PS3 it has the latest update and is the brandnew 40g version. The movies are 300, planet earth disc4 and NIN. Can someone help me out ?

I remember reading about playback problems with early firmware, but nothing recent. Possibly you have a defective unit. You didn't mention your set up, if its in a chain try hooking up PS3 directly to your TV temporarily and see what happens. You didn't give much info for anybody to help, has it ever worked with BR?

I just want to make sure I understand how to make PS3 stop upconverting and sent native source resolution to my Integra processor: under Display settings, where I set TV resolutions, I have to check all of them? This way PS3 will send signal as it reads from the sourse (480p (or is it 480i?) from SD DVDs, 1080P from BR etc)? DId I get this right? I want to use my Integra Reon upscaler instead of PS3 one. Connected with HDMI.
The PS3 upconverting is very good, but I find that sending a 480i signal from my Oppo 980 to the Integra 9.8 and having the REON in it upconvert, the picture is as near HD DVD as I have seen.

Why won't any Blurays from netflix play on my PS3 it has the latest update and is the brandnew 40g version. The movies are 300, planet earth disc4 and NIN. Can someone help me out ?
Also check to make sure the disks aren't cracked.

Why won't any Blurays from netflix play on my PS3 it has the latest update and is the brandnew 40g version. The movies are 300, planet earth disc4 and NIN. Can someone help me out ?

I just watched Live Free or Die Hard in BD from Netflix, and I didn't have any problems whatsoever. I'm running the original 60GB PS3, and really haven't had any problems at all (knock on wood).

Have you ever been able to play a Blu-Ray disk (not just the ones from Netflix)?

I'd be happy if they put one or two USB slots on the back of the unit and then we could pick any ol off the shelf USB drive/SATA enclosure. Or just do eSATA....

Although not really a viable option for a huge upgrade in storage, you can use the USB slots on the front with FAT32 formatted USB HDDs up to 32GB.

Well I have researched all of the available players in the forums and since I am a Blu-ray newbie from HD-DVD I came to the conclusion that too many of the players have issues. A lot of issues... Even the profile 1.0 on most economical players makes them almost obsolete. So I REALLY prefer a unit that has analog outputs but from what I have read the PS3 is the fairly safe route to go. Will I notice an increase in sound bandwidth like I did with my HD-A3 over optical?

So do I spend $300 on a Sharp Aquos with some problems with CD playback or $399 for a 40g PS3? It will be used strictly for the movie experience.

Thanks!

Well I have researched all of the available players in the forums and since I am a Blu-ray newbie from HD-DVD I came to the conclusion that too many of the players have issues. A lot of issues... Even the profile 1.0 on most economical players makes them almost obsolete. So I REALLY prefer a unit that has analog outputs but from what I have read the PS3 is the fairly safe route to go. Will I notice an increase in sound bandwidth like I did with my HD-A3 over optical?

So do I spend $300 on a Sharp Aquos with some problems with CD playback or $399 for a 40g PS3? It will be used strictly for the movie experience.

Thanks!

Question(s) for you: Are you planning to use *only* the audio toslink/optical out on the PS3? Or will you be using HDMI?

The advanced audio codecs (i.e. Dolby Digital TrueHD) are only available on HDMI, while Dolby Digital and DTS regular are the only formats that are sent via optical/toslink.

Please reply back with your intended settings. Thanks.

I have a Kenwood 6.1-THX receiver but no HDMI input available unfortunately. So analog 5.1 inputs is my best option. However my Toshiba A3from what I have read actually increased the bandwidth of most HD movies to the Toslinks maximum something like 640k/s. I could be wrong but I sure heard a MAJOR difference in sound in comparison to my JVC Prog. Player.

Does the PS3 have dual video decoders for the PIP so that profile 2.0 will work? I'm stuck between sacrificing sound or the future profile...

$400 is my limit... or so the wife says...

Just popped in a 320gb....I read that 500gb is around the corner.

whered you get the 320gigger?
newegg?

Although not really a viable option for a huge upgrade in storage, you can use the USB slots on the front with FAT32 formatted USB HDDs up to 32GB.You can use a much larger hard drive than that! I recently purchased a 500GB FAT32-formatted USB drive and my PS3 recognized it instantly.

It's true that Windows doesn't want to format a drive larger than 32GB to FAT32, but there are third-party solutions to do the format if necessary.

Well I have researched all of the available players in the forums and since I am a Blu-ray newbie from HD-DVD I came to the conclusion that too many of the players have issues. A lot of issues... Even the profile 1.0 on most economical players makes them almost obsolete. So I REALLY prefer a unit that has analog outputs but from what I have read the PS3 is the fairly safe route to go. Will I notice an increase in sound bandwidth like I did with my HD-A3 over optical?

So do I spend $300 on a Sharp Aquos with some problems with CD playback or $399 for a 40g PS3? It will be used strictly for the movie experience.

Thanks!

I too started with HD-DVD, and have similar thoughts as you re: Bluray. It floors me that the disc makers are using DTS-HD, that can't be read by most of the players yet.

Check out the Panny BD-30. It will actually play the DTS-HD, and has no major issues.

I have a Kenwood 6.1-THX receiver but no HDMI input available unfortunately. So analog 5.1 inputs is my best option. However my Toshiba A3from what I have read actually increased the bandwidth of most HD movies to the Toslinks maximum something like 640k/s. I could be wrong but I sure heard a MAJOR difference in sound in comparison to my JVC Prog. Player.

Does the PS3 have dual video decoders for the PIP so that profile 2.0 will work? I'm stuck between sacrificing sound or the future profile...

$400 is my limit... or so the wife says...

I thought PIP was part of profile 1.1, which the PS3 already does.

Profiles Explained (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10910140#post10910140)

while the WD 320GB HDD will fit the PS3, the new 500GB may not as the drives are slightly thicker than the normal sized units...

... It floors me that the disc makers are using DTS-HD, that can't be read by most of the players yet...

You really shouldn't look at that as a negative at all. The codecs usually have reduced capability functionality, and when players can decode the higher capability codecs, at least your disk will have that feature. So in fact, the disk is being somewhat future proofed, rather than being limited to current player capability. It's a plus really.

netflix bluerays including 300 played fine on my ps3 80 gig.... do you have any problems with gameS?

after holding them up to a light i saw a small crack on ALL three movies. I think Netflix and blurays are a bad combo. Maybe they need to slip the discs in a cardboard sleeve instead of paper. Seven out of ten blu-rays from netflix cracked is just too much. I almost thought it was my ps3. Good thing I didn't return it. Also all the BRs I bought play fine so it's def netflix. I think i'll just use netflix for SD movies.

I too started with HD-DVD, and have similar thoughts as you re: Bluray. It floors me that the disc makers are using DTS-HD, that can't be read by most of the players yet.

Check out the Panny BD-30. It will actually play the DTS-HD, and has no major issues.


BD30 plays DTS HD as does Samsung BD-P1400.

You can use a much larger hard drive than that! I recently purchased a 500GB FAT32-formatted USB drive and my PS3 recognized it instantly.

It's true that Windows doesn't want to format a drive larger than 32GB to FAT32, but there are third-party solutions to do the format if necessary.
sorry for the noob ? but I just turned purple last weekend. Does the ps3 only read drives that are formatted in FAT32,or will it read NTFS format as well? :confused: When I set up my ps3 to update via flash drive (NTFS), it didn't recognize the update folder on the drive. Yes, I followed the instructions from the playstation site to the letter. I ended up updating via ethernet. Any help is appreciated.:)

What video settings do you use for good Standard Res DVD playback? and what Blu Ray settings do you use?

Hi, hope im posting in the correct forum. I own a PS3 that has the latest firmware update. I bought American Psycho on Blu ray and have watched it a few times. I put the disc in tonight, I see the Lionsgate intro thing (not sure what thats called), but then nothing...just a black screen. I ejected the disc and put in a DVD...played just fine. I then put in another Blu ray disc and it played just fine as well. It seems as though only this particular disc will not play. As I said earlier, ive watched a few times already, and have not changed anything. I get no error messages of any kind. When I hit the triangle button on the controller to bring up the PS3 menu, nothing is greyed out...I just get the "this option is not available" text. The disc has no visible scratches, and has either been in its case or in the PS3. Any ideas? Any help? Thanks.

after holding them up to a light i saw a small crack on ALL three movies. I think Netflix and blurays are a bad combo. Maybe they need to slip the discs in a cardboard sleeve instead of paper. Seven out of ten blu-rays from netflix cracked is just too much. I almost thought it was my ps3. Good thing I didn't return it. Also all the BRs I bought play fine so it's def netflix. I think i'll just use netflix for SD movies.
It sounded to me like cracked discs. And I wouldn't blame the fact that they're BDs, I'd blame the mail carrier. I'd wager that the force required to break a BD is the pretty much the same as that required to break a DVD. I've rented hundreds of DVDs from Netflix and maybe 25-30 BDs so far and have only had 2 cracked discs, both DVDs. Your carrier folded/spindled/mutilated the discs, if it happens again you should complain to your local post office.

sorry for the noob ? but I just turned purple last weekend. Does the ps3 only read drives that are formatted in FAT32,or will it read NTFS format as well? :confused: When I set up my ps3 to update via flash drive (NTFS), it didn't recognize the update folder on the drive. Yes, I followed the instructions from the playstation site to the letter. I ended up updating via ethernet. Any help is appreciated.:)

The PS3 doesn't read NTFS. For external drives (including flash drives) plugged into USB, it uses FAT32 exclusively.

Not sure if this is Blu-Ray software rather than hardware, but here goes.

Recently picked up JL-The New frontier on Blu-Ray; The PS3 being my Blu-Ray player. The disc contains 3 JLU episodes which are not in HD, but in SD. For some reason when they play they are not up-converted to 1080p. The play in the standard SD (I assume) resolution. Weird thing is that if I pop in my separate SD JLU series DVD, the same episode gets up-converted without any problem and actually looks much better.

Not a major problem but where does the fault lie here? Is it the PS3? Which does up-convert the other discs just fine. Or is this an issue with the Blu-Ray disc itself? Has anyone got the disc and played it on a player besides the PS3?

Just curious. Sorry if this has been asked before.

TIA

It sounded to me like cracked discs. And I wouldn't blame the fact that they're BDs, I'd blame the mail carrier. I'd wager that the force required to break a BD is the pretty much the same as that required to break a DVD. I've rented hundreds of DVDs from Netflix and maybe 25-30 BDs so far and have only had 2 cracked discs, both DVDs. Your carrier folded/spindled/mutilated the discs, if it happens again you should complain to your local post office.

I agree. I've had a couple broken DVDs over tha last 3 years or so, but hundreds were ok and I haven't had a bad BD yet, out of 10 or so. Netflix should run the government.

The title of this thread should be changed. It's certainly not the "one and only" PS3 as a Blu-Ray player thread. Of course, the other main thread is that AVS FAQ for PS3 as a Blu-Ray player thread.

Last night I played my first (deep bass rich) CD on the 1-month old 80G PS3, with firmware 2.1. When the first drum beat started to roll I noticed right away the really deep stuff is missing. I replayed the disc on my Denon 5900, sure enough, the PS3 is not outputting the really low frequencies. I am not surprised that the 5900 sounds better, but that obvious?

The 5900 is connected using optical and the PS3, HDMI. The CD output is set to 44.1/88/2/176.4. Did I miss anything?

Last night I played my first (deep bass rich) CD on the 1-month old 80G PS3, with firmware 2.1. When the first drum beat started to roll I noticed right away the really deep stuff is missing. I replayed the disc on my Denon 5900, sure enough, the PS3 is not outputting the really low frequencies. I am not surprised that the 5900 sounds better, but that obvious?

The 5900 is connected using optical and the PS3, HDMI. The CD output is set to 44.1/88/2/176.4. Did I miss anything?

Yeah, you must be missing something; mine sounds good.

Go to PS3 Settings, sound settings, audio output settings and make sure you have all the appropriate boxes checked for channels.

EDIT: Just reread your post. Sorry, maybe my answer doesn't apply; your CD is probably only 2 channel anyway, but it's still worth checking.

If you use automantic HDMI, sometimes it won't give you anything but 2 channels if you don't have your receiver set up the way it likes. If the PS3 reads the TV speakers, it will just put out stereo.

after holding them up to a light i saw a small crack on ALL three movies. I think Netflix and blurays are a bad combo. Maybe they need to slip the discs in a cardboard sleeve instead of paper. Seven out of ten blu-rays from netflix cracked is just too much. I almost thought it was my ps3. Good thing I didn't return it. Also all the BRs I bought play fine so it's def netflix. I think i'll just use netflix for SD movies.

Netflix is in for a BIG surprise if this is standard practice for blu-ray discs. I wonder about their "consumer has spoken" rhetoric ... is it just talk or do they hear about these cracked discs.

I am concerned that 40G PS3's seem to be more sensitive. Is it simply because there are more of them?

I am concerned that 40G PS3's seem to be more sensitive. Is it simply because there are more of them?

My 80G is VERY sensitive to even the slightest smudge or scratch; hesitates, stalls and skips. Haven't tried it with a cracked disc yet, but I'm not optimistic. I'm trying to get in the habit of cleaning all Netfilx discs before I even put 'em in the PS3. My Panny DVD player didn't have near as much trouble.

Speaking for myself, my three week old PS3 40 gb plays everything I throw at it. I haven't had a single BD glitch, SD movies play perfectly and even REAL old cds that every CD read capable device refused to play, the PS3 plows right through. I have compact discs that are so scratched that 5 CD readers on PCs, my XA2, 2 mobile CD players and my A2 had issues with, the PS3 did not so much as stutter.

Being an HD DVD convert, I really wish that I would have picked one of these gems up a long time ago. With the exception of the lack of DTS HD MA support, I consider my 40 to be nearly perfect. Also, there could be capabilites that will be added to the PS3 that we can't even imagine now. Also, I haven't even played so much as a game demo...yet.

I had issues with 3 BD from Netflix in a row. All had a tiny crack on the edge that was hard to see but would prevent the disc from playing. I have not received any cracked DVDs yet. I joined 3 months ago.

I have a Kenwood 6.1-THX receiver but no HDMI input available unfortunately. So analog 5.1 inputs is my best option. However my Toshiba A3from what I have read actually increased the bandwidth of most HD movies to the Toslinks maximum something like 640k/s. I could be wrong but I sure heard a MAJOR difference in sound in comparison to my JVC Prog. Player.

Does the PS3 have dual video decoders for the PIP so that profile 2.0 will work? I'm stuck between sacrificing sound or the future profile...

$400 is my limit... or so the wife says...

You can enjoy 640 DD or 1500 DTS from most discs via optical. You also have the option of downmixing PCM tracks to 2.0 and applying PLII (or IIx)to them. I think you can do that with TrueHD tracks as well.

And yes, PIP is profile 1.1, which the PS3 now is. And of course it has internet connectivity and persistent storage, which is a requirement for 2.0, so that upgrade is just a firmware update away.

When I bought mine a year ago I was also seeking a player with analog outs, and there was only one with 7.1 outs, but it would never be DTS HD MA capable. In the end, I decided to go with the PS3 since it had the least issues and by far the most upgradability. It's blazing fast compared to standalones; I'm glad I chose it. And upgrading my receiver to an aging Elite (HDMI 1.2) receiver at a good price was well worth it in the end. Still waiting for DTS HD MA, but I'm very confident it will come this spring or summer after the decoding players have a chance to sell. The PS3 feels by far the gretest CE investment I've ever made, since it evolves instead of becoming obsolete like everything else.

I had issues with 3 BD from Netflix in a row. All had a tiny crack on the edge that was hard to see but would prevent the disc from playing. I have not received any cracked DVDs yet. I joined 3 months ago.

I've had cracked DVDs, but only 1 or 2 in the year or so since I rejoined. I had to send back 2 or 3 BDs recently. The last one just had a very tiny crack on the edge, and it played, but I didn't want to chance it since I figured the edge was probably the end of the movie. Methinks they need to invest in padded envelopes. I think the sorting machines must exert just enough pressure to crack the hardcoat.

The PS3 doesn't read NTFS. For external drives (including flash drives) plugged into USB, it uses FAT32 exclusively.

Thanks Larry for the quick response.:)

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/dvd-player-and-cd-player-reviews/dvd-players/sony-playstation-ps3-fw-2.1.html

Interesting that that review touts it as one of the worst DVD players around and other tests and reviews have it performing pretty well. Do they use proprietary test patterns? Because other reviews have it locking into film mode for 2:3 cadence rather quickly but this review says it won't at all.

Brandon

Interesting that that review touts it as one of the worst DVD players around and other tests and reviews have it performing pretty well. Do they use proprietary test patterns? Because other reviews have it locking into film mode for 2:3 cadence rather quickly but this review says it won't at all.

Brandon

If I'm reading it correctly it is stated that when it was first tested last year it was one of the worst DVD players available, but subsequent firmware revisions have improved it to the point of being good, but short of high end stand alone DVD players.

Sounds about right.

If I'm reading it correctly it is stated that when it was first tested last year it was one of the worst DVD players available, but subsequent firmware revisions have improved it to the point of being good, but short of high end stand alone DVD players.

Sounds about right.

This is the gist of their review:

The Sony PS3 continues to have extremely poor results in our SD DVD tests. The fact of the matter is, it just cannot lock onto a high resolution test pattern for any of our cadence tests. This is worse performance than we see with even sub-$50 players at your local big box store. One could argue that the player will probably do just fine with real world content since it probably doesn’t have as high detail as our test patterns, but I think that argument would mainly come from those trying to justify their purchase. If I can get nearly every DVD player out there to pass these tests, why won’t this one?

It passes all of the video based tests because the player literally stays locked in video mode. The PS3 has a video mode available in its setup menu, but the performance didn’t change regardless of what mode I was in. It fails all of our cadence tests, which again consists of high detail wedge patterns encoded with different cadences and breaks.


Which, just as one quick example, conflicts with Cnet's updated review in response to the 1.80 firmware update several months ago. Notice it is in direct confict with the above:

On the other hand, the PS3 did a decent job with a waving flag...

It did even better on the 2:3 pulldown processing test, as it kicked into film mode almost immediately.


Something isn't right.

Where the review says the PS3 is commendable is in upscaling performance and BD playback. But as far as SD DVD performance it definitely leaves the impression of it being one of the worst around, worse than sub-$50 players.

Brandon

I am looking to buy a new AVR in the next month or two. Is there a link or rec ommedations as a starting point for a AVR receiver that will make use of the PS3 audio today and in the future ? I would like to get rid of my HDMI switcher and TOSlink switcher and make use of the HD audio capabilities of the PS3.

Apologies if this has already been covered, just looking for a starting point.

Thanks

I am looking to buy a new AVR in the next month or two. Is there a link or rec ommedations as a starting point for a AVR receiver that will make use of the PS3 audio today and in the future ? I would like to get rid of my HDMI switcher and TOSlink switcher and make use of the HD audio capabilities of the PS3.

Apologies if this has already been covered, just looking for a starting point.

Thanks

Here is a good place to start: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511

You'll notice that the Onkyo 605 is listed as a Level 4 AVR and it's a very popular model for under $500. That thread is a bit dated now that 2008 lineups are starting to be announced, but if you are just starting to look it's a good place to start.

Brandon

I am looking to buy a new AVR in the next month or two. Is there a link or rec ommedations as a starting point for a AVR receiver that will make use of the PS3 audio today and in the future ? I would like to get rid of my HDMI switcher and TOSlink switcher and make use of the HD audio capabilities of the PS3.

Apologies if this has already been covered, just looking for a starting point.

Thanks


Too deep of a topic to go into here, there's plenty of information available in the corresponding AVS Forum for the AVR topic.

Generally speaking the lower end Onkyo units such as the 605 offer the best "bang for the buck" in a budget AVR that has HDMI 1.3a.

The primary reason for going "higher end" would be to get support for new audio formats (non factor with PS3 as it only outputs the advanced tracks as PCM), more HDMI inputs, more sound processing capabilities, etc.

Excellent, thanks for the link and help.

Excellent, thanks for the link and help.

The yamaha 663 just being released MSRP 549$ is also great excellent review in audioholics

The yamaha 663 just being released MSRP 549$ is also great excellent review in audioholics

I have a Yamaha 1800 which is quite a bit more expensive but I've been quite impressed with it so far.

Anyone know if new release on 8ogb unit will have same features as old 80gb?

The primary reason for going "higher end" would be to get support for new audio formats (non factor with PS3 as it only outputs the advanced tracks as PCM), more HDMI inputs, more sound processing capabilities, etc.

Ah... that is *only* true if DTS-HD Master Audio doesn't make it to the PS3 by way of a firmware update. While there has been no denial from Sony, we have yet to get it so far.

The PS3 can decode Dolby Digital TrueHD and output it to a AVR receiver as LPCM, and I believe TrueHD can be considered an "advanced" codec.

I don't know if it's accurate for you to say that it is a "non-factor" unless you are expressing your opinion. My opinion would be that the PS3 is a great Blu-ray player for the price. I have had no regrets on purchasing one.

Just to confirm something...

If my audio receiver does not have an HDMI audio input (my current receiver has 5.1 analog pass-thru but no HDMI), if I were to buy a PS3 then my sound options are limited to:

- Dolby 5.1 via toslink.

- Buying a new receiver as well as a PS3.

Or is there some other solution (inexpensive after-market gadget?) that can be used for getting lossless audio from a PS3?

And as I understand it, the PS3 is the only Blu Player which can receiver firmware updates via direct Ethernet connection while all other current machine require you to burn a seperate disk for each upgrade?

I am planning on having a discussion with my wife about adding a Blu player to the theater (at some point) and want to be certain that I understand clearly what can and cannot be done with a PS3.

Just to confirm something...

If my audio receiver does not have an HDMI audio input (my current receiver has 5.1 analog pass-thru but no HDMI), if I were to buy a PS3 then my sound options are limited to:

- Dolby 5.1 via toslink.

- Buying a new receiver as well as a PS3.

Or is there some other solution (inexpensive after-market gadget?) that can be used for getting lossless audio from a PS3?

I am planning on having a discussion with my wife about adding a Blu player to the theater (at some point) and want to be certain that I understand clearly what can and cannot be done with a PS3.

That's right. The PS3 will only support lossless audio via HDMI.

I am in even a worse position until I upgrade. I dragged out a AVR from the closet to use with the PS3 (my main HT system is not HD) and my HDTV. Alas it's only DD (AC-3) so even via Toslink I can only listen to AC3 5.1. If there is content in AAC 5.1 (some of the content on the Internet is like that) or Fox BR's titles which are DTS-HD Master with no AC-3, then I have to listen to them in PCM 2.0 :-(.

It's going to be a hard sell to get the AVR upgraded alas

Larry

Interesting that that review touts it as one of the worst DVD players around and other tests and reviews have it performing pretty well. Do they use proprietary test patterns? Because other reviews have it locking into film mode for 2:3 cadence rather quickly but this review says it won't at all.

Brandon

The SD DVDs I've watched from my PS3 suggest to me that the reviewer is full of it.

The SD DVDs I've watched from my PS3 suggest to me that the reviewer is full of it.

+1

The SD DVDs I've watched from my PS3 suggest to me that the reviewer is full of it.

When played on my 80GB PS3, the PQ of SD DVD's at native 1080P on my SXRD is slightly superior to the PQ when they are played on my Oppo which is excellent at upconversion.

MikeSp

The SD DVDs I've watched from my PS3 suggest to me that the reviewer is full of it.

Agreed. Not sure if he has an agenda or not.

The "Like most gaming consoles" comment and then how good the PS3 is for BD playback has to make you wonder what his message is.

Whatever. Some months back I wanted to know if I should keep my oppo 971 player in the rack for SD DVD upscaling.

My setup is a BenQ 7700 720p pj to a 133" Da-Lite Hi Power screen. The 7700 is calibrated quite closely in relation to greyscale, cie diagram, gamma etc. What surprised me back when is that both the PS3 and the oppo resulted in almost identical measures using GetGray, Color HCFR and a Pantone Eye One.

With that stated, I spent one full evening in A/B mode. First up was two copies of the HQV benchmark disc. Both players passed all the tests.

I then compared copies of 4 or 5 SD DVD's. After a number of hours and straining the eyeballs, my conclusion was a tie.

Believe there is general agreement that the oppo is one of the best upconverting players yet produced. So that is enough for me.

BTW the PS3 also passed the BD HD HQV tests.

The oppo still resides in the rack, powered down for months. Can't bring myself to remove a piece of gear that has provided so much enjoyment for so little investment.

Now if the titles start coming. My wish list is long.

Joe

Now that the Denon player and transport are hitting the market, we can finally stop calling our PS3's the best blu-ray player on the market. This machine WAS the best and it served me nicely, but it's time to move on up. With The Integra DTC-9.8, I don't need a player----just the transport. Now my kids can get this machine out of my theater. It's their turn to beg Sony for the firmware updates to unlock the PS3's full potential. I'm tired of waiting, and frankly; Sony has been a little snooty about unlocking the new audio CODEC's. I guess they were too busy buying off the industry in their successful effort to kill HD-DVD.

The format war couldn't end soon enough to stop people from spreading FUD.

Brandon

So what the heck do I have to do to get my PS3 to work with my Surround Sound? I have it connected to my Sony STR-DG510 receiver via HDMI and Optical. I tried both Optical inputs on the receiver, and neither one work with it. Is there a setting I need to change in the PS3 or is it something with the receiver?

The format war couldn't end soon enough to stop people from spreading FUD.

Brandon

+1

It seems that there has been a lot of crap thrown around this thread within the past week or so. Why is that?

I'm not going to say that the PS3 is the ultimate Blu-Ray player on the market, but it is an unbelievable bargain for the price.

I wonder if any of these trolls even have the PS3?

(btw, hey Brandon. Did you go with the Denon 3808 receiver? I'm loving the unit with the PS3.)

So what the heck do I have to do to get my PS3 to work with my Surround Sound? I have it connected to my Sony STR-DG510 receiver via HDMI and Optical. I tried both Optical inputs on the receiver, and neither one work with it. Is there a setting I need to change in the PS3 or is it something with the receiver?


I apologize in advance if you've already tried any of these, but please let me know if you get any sound or noise.

1. Are you sure there's no sound with HDMI? Set it to both bitstream or LPCM on the PS3 and try again. Is there sound?

2. Set the optical output to bitstream on the PS3. Is there any sound from the STR-DG510?

3. Are you able to get any audio from any other DVD player via the optical or HDMI?

So what the heck do I have to do to get my PS3 to work with my Surround Sound? I have it connected to my Sony STR-DG510 receiver via HDMI and Optical. I tried both Optical inputs on the receiver, and neither one work with it. Is there a setting I need to change in the PS3 or is it something with the receiver?

I also had this problem with the STR-DG510 until a poster informed me about an audio output selection in the PS3 settings. Once I changed it to Optical from HDMI, it worked.

I'm going to tray and add a link. Hope it works:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10850764#post10850764

The SD DVDs I've watched from my PS3 suggest to me that the reviewer is full of it.

Agreed, I have a $50 upconverting 1080p Dvd (rca drc279) and while the RCA is pretty good for what it is, there is simply no comparison to my ps3 for upconversion. I compared the two using and orginal Gladiator disk and the difference was jaw dropping.

P.S. Both connected by hdmi

The SD DVDs I've watched from my PS3 suggest to me that the reviewer is full of it.

I agree, I have a $300 upconverting dvd player, xbox 360, and another standalone dvd player and by far my PS3 make SD dvds look awesome. I had a movie in and my wife walked in the room and asked me if it was a new blu-ray. Thats how good sddvds look upconverted by the ps3.

I also had this problem with the STR-DG510 until a poster informed me about an audio output selection in the PS3 settings. Once I changed it to Optical from HDMI, it worked.

I'm going to tray and add a link. Hope it works:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10850764#post10850764


Well, I went into Settings, went into Optical, and all it gave me was a list of formats to output through optical. Is there a different place where I have to go to enable it?

Now that the Denon player and transport are hitting the market, we can finally stop calling our PS3's the best blu-ray player on the market. This machine WAS the best and it served me nicely, but it's time to move on up. With The Integra DTC-9.8, I don't need a player----just the transport. Now my kids can get this machine out of my theater. It's their turn to beg Sony for the firmware updates to unlock the PS3's full potential. I'm tired of waiting, and frankly; Sony has been a little snooty about unlocking the new audio CODEC's. I guess they were too busy buying off the industry in their successful effort to kill HD-DVD.

Congrats,

The denon 2500 looks like another great product from that esteemed company. I owned a 5900. Built like a tank. Unfortunately the DVI output was a problem in many ways and forget HDCP compliance.

I also was interested in the new denon release. Seems it has no ability to update via Wi-Fi, that's a pass for me. Kind of cool the way that the PS3 does it, No?

I'm sure your kids with your help will update the FW. Best to you.

Joe

Well, I went into Settings, went into Optical, and all it gave me was a list of formats to output through optical. Is there a different place where I have to go to enable it?

Sorry but I don't recall where the setting was and I don't have access to my PS3 at the moment. It was a setting where you had to select where you wanted your audio to be output. I don't think it was under Optical.

(btw, hey Brandon. Did you go with the Denon 3808 receiver? I'm loving the unit with the PS3.)

I'm veeeeery close to picking it up this week.

Of course I say that every week :) But I have a lot going on and am considering a house purchase with this crazy market so I'm trying to be conservative with my spending just in case I gotta put a down payment on something.

Of course that is clearly in conflict with what I did earlier this evening. Got an email from newegg about some memory blowout sale and I dropped $100 for 4gigs of memory when I didn't even really need to upgrade :eek:

Anyway, I really wanna pick up the 3808 but I'm still deciding on speakers to go with it so I'm hesitant to pull the trigger. Can't wait to enjoy some of this uncompressed PCM and TrueHD that's been sitting on my AV stand!

Brandon

My ps3 is set to RGB full , super white on , bluray output ycbcr at 24 hz locked into my dvdo vp50 and then the VP50 converts it to 1080i60 for my JVC 70fh96 1080P display. My display can only take 1080i and then the TV converts it to 1080P.

When i watch a bluray movie like planet earth, I get some weird flickers in the white areas. Like the scene with all the birds flying by and theres a be difference between white and black areas. Anyone else get this.
My HD from the Tivo and other sources dont do this. Its soooooo annoying.

Any info or ideas is much appreciated , thanx

I have experienced this myself and I don't run my devices through a reciever.
The Planet Earth series is shot with HD video and film. Some scenes just don't look good and there is nothing that can be done. Its the source material.

I have Planet Earth on HD-DVD and to lessen the flickering I play it at 1080i and have my player set to video output.

Cheers

My ps3 is set to RGB full , super white on , bluray output ycbcr at 24 hz locked into my dvdo vp50 and then the VP50 converts it to 1080i60 for my JVC 70fh96 1080P display. My display can only take 1080i and then the TV converts it to 1080P.

When i watch a bluray movie like planet earth, I get some weird flickers in the white areas. Like the scene with all the birds flying by and theres a be difference between white and black areas. Anyone else get this.
My HD from the Tivo and other sources dont do this. Its soooooo annoying.

Any info or ideas is much appreciated , thanx

on the PS3 turn OFF the 1080P/24FPS option---not even AUTO.

gasdoc

Agreed. Not sure if he has an agenda or not.

The "Like most gaming consoles" comment and then how good the PS3 is for BD playback has to make you wonder what his message is.

Whatever. Some months back I wanted to know if I should keep my oppo 971 player in the rack for SD DVD upscaling.

My setup is a BenQ 7700 720p pj to a 133" Da-Lite Hi Power screen. The 7700 is calibrated quite closely in relation to greyscale, cie diagram, gamma etc. What surprised me back when is that both the PS3 and the oppo resulted in almost identical measures using GetGray, Color HCFR and a Pantone Eye One.

With that stated, I spent one full evening in A/B mode. First up was two copies of the HQV benchmark disc. Both players passed all the tests.

I then compared copies of 4 or 5 SD DVD's. After a number of hours and straining the eyeballs, my conclusion was a tie.

Believe there is general agreement that the oppo is one of the best upconverting players yet produced. So that is enough for me.

BTW the PS3 also passed the BD HD HQV tests.

The oppo still resides in the rack, powered down for months. Can't bring myself to remove a piece of gear that has provided so much enjoyment for so little investment.

Now if the titles start coming. My wish list is long.

JoeWell, let's remember that this review comes from the same folks who published a review for the Integra 9.8 when in reality they appear to have knowingly really tested an Onkyo Pro 885. When confronted with hard evidence that the review contained comments that could only come from using an 885, instead of just owning up and writing an erratum, they elected to delete the erroneous statements from the review and stick with a falsely identified review. Does not exactly engender trust in their reviews, IMHO.