One-and-Only PS3 as Blu-Ray Player Thread [Text View] - Page 69

Wryker

04-16-08, 09:19 PM

Does the PS3 do down mixing? Or is that the receivers job?

Seems like the the receivers job is to manage the output of the source material received; mix the input received and then output it accordingly. Not the PS3.

If we leave off the 7.1 output on the PS3. Then, sure. The receiver will never get it. But even if it did. You can set the receiver to manage any signals it gets (depending on the model of course), right?

Cool! Bugs! :)

Verified with "Pan's Labyrinth." The only one I own on that list.

Specific BD titles that some forum members have reported as having this issue include:
- Pan's Labyrinth (HD-MA)
- Shoot 'Em Up (HD-MA)
- Rush Hour 3 (HD-MA)
- Hairspray (HD-MA)
- The Condemned (HD-HR)

I checked the link and I'm "one" w/the 7.1 problem w/Rush Hour 3 - funny thing is the studio intro and any extras recorded in 7.1 are displayed/coming through my receiver as 7.1 but the movie itself - meh - 5.1....bugga...makes me angry it does....

Digital_View

04-16-08, 09:51 PM

We are not understanding each other with "check off." To me, when you check off a box, it means to put a check mark in the box.....not to turn OFF the feature. So what I mean is do not put check marks in the 7.1 boxes if you are only using a 5.1 setup.

The problem with the auto setup could be if you have a 7.1 capable receiver but only 5.1 speaker setup. The PS3 will detect that it can send the receiver a 7.1 signal, but the receiver has the SB channels off. I do not think most receivers will mix those surround back channels back into the surrounds when the incoming signal is PCM.

Digital_View, etc. see my previous very, very recent posting about downmixing for someone with a 5.1 config, etc.: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13652677#post13652677

(Third time is a charm?)

Thanks. Seems like we don't know how the downmixing is done on the PS3 and many receivers out there. Right?

Plus, I think it would be bad design if Sony made the check boxes "checkable/uncheckable" and allowed this to happen without planning the receivers to manage the DTS-HD/TrueHD signal. It would be great if the PS3 could send everything it needed (full 7.1 signals -- if the "auto audio config" determined so) and then just let the receiver do with it what it/we pleased. That way you could just set it and be done with it. Then, just use the receiver anytime you wanted to mess with speaker layout/crossover/mixing. You'd always have the full 7.1 "on tap" for lack of a better word (beer analogy).

Does HDMI do some type of checking based on how we setup the receiver config? I wonder if the PS3 detects it. More testing....That's what I'm not sure about. There's so many "faucets" on this data flow. And I want to know which is the master and how they work together.

It's kind of like this. Most PS3 owners will do an "auto audio config" on their PS3. If it returns *ALL* 2.0/5.1/7.1 PCM codecs checked (on). Then, the PS3 knows that the receiver can, at least, decode all the checked PCM types.

I wish I had a test disc not named "Pan's Labyrinth." :( I guess I can use the "New Line Intro Logo" as my test...bah. (one sec...) I'm back...It's 7.1 the whole way through. Even with 7.1 unchecked. I hear no difference on my 5.1 setup. :mad:

ronny_k_at_DTS seems to indicate that future updates will accommodate this issue... "The DTS-HD codec is very flexible and provides a unique way of telling the decoder how to downmix to 5.1, specific to the 7.1 layout used when mixing took place. The goal is to make sure the 5.1 listening experience stays true to the original 7.1 mix."

I checked the link and I'm "one" w/the 7.1 problem w/Rush Hour 3 - funny thing is the studio intro and any extras recorded in 7.1 are displayed/coming through my receiver as 7.1 but the movie itself - meh - 5.1....bugga...makes me angry it does....

Check the link again...it's GROWING!!!!! (The BLOB)

BD TITLE-----------------DTS Coding / # Ch.-------PS3 Decoded Output
Doctor Strange---------------HD-MA / 7.1---------------LPCM / 7.1
Hairspray---------------------HD-MA / 7.1---------------LPCM / 5.1
Mr. Woodcock----------------HD-MA / 7.1---------------LPCM / 7.1
Oldboy-----------------------HD-MA / 7.1---------------LPCM / 7.1
Pan's Labyrinth---------------HD-MA / 7.1---------------LPCM / 5.1
Rush Hour 3------------------HD-MA / 7.1----------------(note 1)
Saw IV-----------------------HD-MA / 7.1---------------LPCM / 6.1
Shoot ‘Em Up-----------------HD-MA / 7.1---------------LPCM / 5.1
X Men: The Last Std.---------HD MA / 6.1---------------LPCM / 6.1
American Psycho-------------HD-HR / 6.1-----------------(note 2)
Basic Instinct----------------HD-HR / 6.1----------------LPCM / 6.1
The Condemned--------------HD-HR / 6.1----------------LPCM / 5.1
The Devil's Rejects-----------HD-HR / 6.1-----------------(note 2)
Reservoir Dogs---------------HD-HR / 6.1-----------------(note 2)
Saw II: Unrated Ed. ---------HD-HR / 6.1-----------------(note 2)
Saw III: Unrated Ed.---------HD-HR / 6.1-----------------(note 2)
Stargate: Ext'd Cut ----------HD-HR / 6.1-----------------(note 2)
Stir of Echoes---------------HD-HR / 6.1------------------(note 2)
Total Recall------------------HD-HR / 6.1-----------------(note 2)
Young Guns-----------------HD-HR / 6.1------------------(note 2)

Note 1 - There have been mixed reports, some indicate only 5.1 LPCM with others reporting 7.1 LPCM output

Note 2 - There no reports yet for these titles

lgans316

04-16-08, 10:13 PM

http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2008/04/16/dts-hd-for-ps3-in-three-easy-steps/

You can include this info in your original post.

If you have a Sony PlayStation 3 and an HDMI 1.1 (and above) A/V receiver, it's high time to tap the console's newfound DTS-HD support. It allows those highly sought-after soundtracks on Blu-ray to be played back in their full master-recording glory, in up to 7.1 channels of better-than CD-quality surround sound.

Here're three easy steps to prep your console:

1. Upgrade to the latest firmware 2.3 (if you haven't).
2. Set BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI) to Linear PCM.
3. Set Sound output to HDMI/Linear PCM 5.1/7.1.

For an impromptu check on selected soundtracks, hit the Triangle button on the controller and fire up the onscreen info display. Verify that you're playing either "DTS-HD MA" or "DTS-HD HR". You could also perform a similar check from the receiver end, but do consult your user manual to pull up the received HDMI signal format.

coasterguy

04-16-08, 10:32 PM

sammysan

04-16-08, 10:43 PM

So I am reading all of these forums as I would like to replace my HD-DVD player that I sold with a Blu-Ray. I have a Yamaha RXV661 receiver from 2007. I think it is HDMI 1.2 only. I currently have 5.1 B&W speaker setup now but could do 7.1 later as the yamaha does that. My question is. PS3 or panny 30k for my purchase. You guys seem to know more about the audio than I do. Thanks in advance and sorry if this annoys anyone in any way!

Other than asthetics, it depends on if you want the receiver to do the decoding (in that case, the BD-30 is for you as long as the receiver is capable) or if you don't mind internal decoding within the player (in that case, the PS3). I for one have both, but will sell the BD-30 when the new PS3's become available, if for no other reason than the superior start up/load times and near instant responsiveness of the PS3. Not to mention it's BD Profile 2.0 compatibility.

swarm87

04-16-08, 10:52 PM

was thinking of picking one up but was wondering if a referb 60g was a good idea or is there still a site where i can get a 80gb at retail(499 link please).
also how are the black levels on the ps3?

gundyrat1

04-16-08, 11:02 PM

coasterguy

04-16-08, 11:13 PM

friedriceballer

04-16-08, 11:21 PM

I did the update yesterday to 2.30 and was also in the process of combining 2 demo disc onto a single DVD and one of the tracks is recorded in unspecified DTS 6.1 and on my reciever when playing it with 7.1 channels enabled the display clearly says
DTS-Matrix 6.1 so while the Playstation update page says that this format is unsupported it apparently works

Hmmm...I think I remember somebody saying that the PS3 can still bitstream those legacy DTS codecs out to the receiver for decoding, but when the PS3 decodes the legacy DTS codecs of DTS-ES 6.1, DTS 6.1 Matrix etc. it only decodes it as if it was regular DTS 5.1

friedriceballer

04-16-08, 11:22 PM

I guess that is where I am not educated. What is the difference where the sound is decoded. Is my Yamaha new enough to do this. The manual says HDMI 1.2
Thanks again for your response. I actually like the looks of the PS3 I wonder of the heat it is said to throw off. Will it be ok on top of my cable box? That is where it most go..
I guess it does not matter to me as I can get them both for the same price. I just want to make the right choice and be done with it. Oh yeah, Using a sammy 50" plasma 2 years old. 720p

With your Yamaha RXV-661, the PS3 is a good choice because your receiver is not capable of decoding the new formats itself, but can enjoy Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA after it has been decoded by the PS3 into PCM sent over HDMI.

roguedog

04-16-08, 11:34 PM

So I am reading all of these forums as I would like to replace my HD-DVD player that I sold with a Blu-Ray. I have a Yamaha RXV661 receiver from 2007. I think it is HDMI 1.2 only. I currently have 5.1 B&W speaker setup now but could do 7.1 later as the yamaha does that. My question is. PS3 or panny 30k for my purchase. You guys seem to know more about the audio than I do. Thanks in advance and sorry if this annoys anyone in any way!

I'm in the same quandry. Was totally leaning towards the PS3 given it's future proofness but now I'm concerned about the UI.

I have really been into console gaming. Mostly a pc gamer so the whole controller thing is a new thing for me. I'd like to be able to have the standard interface of a DVD player if possible so that even if I can use it.. others in the house can also easily figure it out.

Does getting the DVD remote make the UI just like a "normal" Dvd player?

Also.. what's this I hear about the new PS3s? What's the difference going to be? When is it due out?

Thanks!

Hughmc

04-17-08, 12:35 AM

I have to admit I never wanted to see a PS3 in my theater set up. I was wrong. After doing some good A/B comparisons and most recently having a Denon 3800, 2500, Pioneer 95FD and Panny BD30 in my set up I can now say they are all pretty much even at 1080p/24 (23.98). The PS3 even surpasses them in some areas. My Sony VW200 PJ can accept 10 bit color and since the PS3 does 10 bit color I can see an improvement in color. And of course I don't have to mention the way faster load times either. Last night we watched Juno and the color and overall pic Q was astounding. I am used to having a few minutes to get popcorn and drinks ready so I was under the gun when the PS3 loaded the movie so fast. I have been experimenting with a lot of my Blu ray collection and so far not any of them has had a single playback issue. That is very rare these days with all the HD players on the market. I also have to say I don't know what the fuss is about over the remotes. I purchased both of them and used the nyko to teach my Sony Navitus and Universal MX3000 the commands. I will use the PS3 Bluetooth remote sometimes as well. Another complaint from others is that the PS3 is loud. I did get the 40GB version but I can honestly say it is very quiet. Maybe they got theirs from launch. I can confidently say that I saved the best for last. The PS3 beats the rest in overall performance. And to think I got it for 299! :eek: I am also pleased with the 2.30 update and hope they keep more bonus updates coming. Being able to update online or thru a USB flashcard (like my crystalio II) is sweet. I will now go on Blu ray hiatus and just enjoy the performance the PS3 gives me. I did not plan to get any games since I already own the 360 Elite but I will probably pick up Gran Turismo Prologue and MGS4 when it hits... Why not? :) Here are a few pics:

As a "fanboy" and owner of two PS3's this is great to hear it can indeed work well into a high end and or dedicated HT setup. Who would have thought even a year ago that the a ("game machine") PS3 could do this much, go this far and compete with and even surpass players costing more than double? I thought it was a good machine and knew it wasn't a crappy PS2 DVD player, but didn't realize then what I am now realizing and enjoying.

I am really impressed with how your acceptance and perception of the PS3 has changed and wish how it could for anyone.

Enjoy Joe. :D

podaman

04-17-08, 01:57 AM

podaman,

Automatic will attempt to sense the HDMI audio capabilities of your receiver. If you do see 7.1 listed, I'd use manual and remove them. Since, in theory, it should help the decoders. (See next.)

For TrueHD & DTS-HD MA, a 7.1/6.1 encode also has the ability to output formal 5.1 and Stereo mixes. If your PS3 knows you have a 5.1 environment, it should decode a true 5.1 mix as intended by the mixer. (This assumes the PS3 is doing it's job correctly.) This is one nice advantage Lossless has over PCM.

For 7.1 PCM, you'll get whatever Sony decided to do to downmix to 5.1 or stereo. It's likely they mix it in somehow, but the true process is not documented. (There is no industry standard.)

For your Onkyo question, if you send decoded 7.1 PCM content to it: You'll experience whatever Onkyo designed for downmix to 5.1. It's also likely mixed in, like my previous PS3 downmix comment. It might be documented in your manual, if you are lucky.

Thanks grommet, well said. I have unchecked the options as you suggested.

However, this still appears to be a grey area. Allow me to summarize the situation:

-a 7.1 source* (either TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, or PCM, as they all output as 7.1 PCM)
-a 7.1 receiver (with Surround Backs disabled)
-a 5.1 speaker set-up

How does one avoid completely losing the Surround Back channels?

I see two possible solutions, either:

a) Uncheck all Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. options on the PS3, thus trusting the PS3 to properly downmix the Surround Back channels into the Surround channels.

or

b) Check all Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. options on the PS3 (leave in Automatic), thus trusting the 7.1 receiver to properly downmix the Surround Back channels into the Surround channels.

What's best? Is there a difference? Perhaps the answer is on a per-receiver basis. What have you experienced?

The best way to find out would be to test both methods a) and b) with a 7.1 channel test tone source, that plays a single channel at a time. Then, it would become apparent whether channels are being mixed or lost, in either the PS3 (decoder/mixer) or the receiver (mixer).

*a 7.1 source that is properly working with the PS3, such as Doctor Strange or Oldboy.

cyberbri

04-17-08, 02:01 AM

The main question is, does the PS3 properly downmix 7.1 to 5.1 without losing any of the audio content?

mudfootLgt

04-17-08, 04:05 AM

Agreed. That thread is getting overrun with so many "Dude, the difference is like night and day..." or "it's like hearing a totally different movie...!!!" comments it's becoming unbearable. Especially when the comments are about an DTS-HD MA soundtrack whose variable bit rates are between 2.5 to 3.5 Mbps comparted to the "crappy" 1.5 fixed bit rate core. A lot of guys simply watching the bit rate meter fluctuating up and down as well, as if that's really any indication of the quality of the soundtrack. Oh well, it's entertaining to read through at least.

agreed... very entertaining

pnkflyd51

04-17-08, 06:49 AM

> The main question is, does the PS3 properly downmix 7.1 to 5.1 without losing any of the audio content?

I'm interested in an answer to this too- I will soon have a 5.1 system. Thanks!

stonecrd

04-17-08, 07:37 AM

Since some people are asking about games I will give my view as a 50yo with two kids, two PS3 and many of the games.

First I am more into battle and role play games than sports so I can't comment so much on Tiger Woods, NBA or MLB although I have played all of them and they look good. Also I've gone on-line a few times but I don't have the reaction times most of the players have and end up dead a lot!

Resistance Fall of Man - very nice game if you like shooters, has co-op mode which is fun for me because I can play with the kids. Completed game

Call OF Duty 4 - Probably the best shooter game for the PS3, on-line is spectacular as well. The graphics are great and the sound is intense, really draws you into combat. Completed game

Drakes Fortune - a good role play + shooter, great fun, good graphics and sound. Completed game

Assassin Creed - role play, great graphics but gets extremely repetitious after the first level. Did not finish.

Orange Box - if you like old fashion FPS games this is for you. Very long, I did not play my son loved it though

Army of Two - playing this through on professional mode now. The single player mode is difficult since you have to control two characters. The co-op is pretty fun, the game ends weakly though. Similar but less intense than COD4. Completed game

Ninja Gaiden Sigma - excellent graphics and a fun play, role playing with swords. Completed game

Lair - mediocre, you had to fly the dragon using motion sensing which was a real pain, now they issued a patch that allows you to use the controls.

I probably play 4 hours of game play and 4 hours of BDs a week. Both are great because I can do it with my kids. If I had to pick just two games to own I would suggest COD4 and Drakes Fortune.

Have fun

Ray

kdmann

04-17-08, 07:44 AM

Other than asthetics, it depends on if you want the receiver to do the decoding (in that case, the BD-30 is for you as long as the receiver is capable) or if you don't mind internal decoding within the player (in that case, the PS3). I for one have both, but will sell the BD-30 when the new PS3's become available, if for no other reason than the superior start up/load times and near instant responsiveness of the PS3. Not to mention it's BD Profile 2.0 compatibility.

What do you mean by "when the new PS3's become available"?

Jack Gilvey

04-17-08, 08:19 AM

I'd be buying it for BD, but I like games, too. I think COD4 is a given for me. Has anyone played Splinter Cell Double Agent? The original (and sequels to a lesser extent) I played on my XBox (never had a 360) are my favorite games ever.

thptrek

04-17-08, 09:25 AM

> The main question is, does the PS3 properly downmix 7.1 to 5.1 without losing any of the audio content?

I'm interested in an answer to this too- I will soon have a 5.1 system. Thanks!

This is a big question for those of us with a 5.1 system. I'll try to do some experimenting later today with my setup.

kcoakley

04-17-08, 09:46 AM

What do you mean by "when the new PS3's become available"?

The 80GB PS3s will be available again in June. In addition to having the bigger hard drive, they will also include:

- backward compatibility with PS2 titles
- Dualshock 3 wireless controller
- Metal Gear Solid 4

I'm not sure if there will be any changes relevant to Blu-Ray or audio playback. (Anyone?)

See here: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&categoryId=6148914691233368166

Ken

kdmann

04-17-08, 09:49 AM

The 80GB PS3s will be available again in June. In addition to having the bigger hard drive, they will also include:

- backward compatibility with PS2 titles
- Dualshock 3 wireless controller
- Metal Gear Solid 4

I'm not sure if there will be any changes relevant to Blu-Ray or audio playback. (Anyone?)

See here: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&categoryId=6148914691233368166

Ken

Thanks, I did see that, I was hoping you or someone had some more information, like - they do support bitstreaming.

I sent this question to SONY yesterday and am awaiting a reply.

Heffe156

04-17-08, 09:55 AM

What is the general consensus regarding the PS Soft Pic setting in the PS3s video settings? Is it better on or off?

roguedog

04-17-08, 09:58 AM

hmm, found this out there as well as mentions of blue and grey.

http://ps3.qj.net/GameStop-has-new-PlayStation-3-model-coming-The-white-PS3-/pg/49/aid/114894

no mention of other changes besides color...

Nosferax

04-17-08, 10:09 AM

Krynos

04-17-08, 10:32 AM

I just bought a PS3 mainly for as a Bluray player. I have a couple of questions, I tried to search on here for answers but came up empty... I'm sure I'm not the only one with these problems, and the answers are sure to be in this thread... but at 17,000 posts I hope you all can forgive me for not reading all the way through it!!!

Our PS3 is set up as follows: Connected by HDMI to a Panasonic AE900U projector, and by optical toslink to a Harmon Kardon AVR (too old to have HDMI inputs). The projector is 720p native, but does accept 1080p/24 and downscales it to 720p/24. It looks pretty nice when it does. 1080p/24 HD-DVDs (A35) and Blurays look great, at least until I can upgrade to a real 1080p projector.

Last night we rented No Country for Old Men on Bluray. Here is where my questions are:

1. The movie looked excellent, however we noticed that during the opening credits, the white captions over the movie looked "bitmappy" blocky white edges. I'd seen this before watching HD-DVD's and assumed that it was an artifact of the downscale in the projector to 720p - but it is more pronounced playing Blurays on the PS3. This is only noticeable on static captions, the scrolling movie credits looks fine. Is there a way to lessen this, or is it normal / caused by my equipment?

2a. The special features looked terrible! I know they are stored at 480p, and that's okay, it's how the PS3 was outputting them that is the problem. Firstly it's making no attempt to upscale them - the projector was reporting a 480p signal. Is this normal? I would think the PS3 would try to upscale them to at least 720p, if not 1080p.

2b. The aspect ratio of the special features was wrong. It seemed that they were stored on the disk as 480p 4:3. But it was stretching them to fill the 16:9 screen. Also there were bad artifacts, that looked like incorrect deinterlacing... This was especially obvious on any text displayed on the screen.

I tried adjusting various settings on the PS3, all to no avail. I tried changing the DVD upscaling to each option as I thought maybe the PS3 was treating the special features as DVD's. But it looked the same on each option. I did the display set up again, I tried it as both automatic, and then manually, I even tried a manual set up where the only check boxes were for 480p (can't uncheck it) and 720p. I read through the entire online manual for all bluray and display sections, no answers there!

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks!

- Rick

t4t3r

04-17-08, 11:36 AM

ALLIANCE68

04-17-08, 11:53 AM

Hi!

A friend of mine is looking to upgrade is AVR for something that is compatible with the ps3 LPCM. He would like to stay with Yamaha but i'm not familiar with that brand and products line. Anybody here know a model from Yamaha that is similar in performance than the sony 810 or the onkyo 605 and process lpcm from its hdmi connection and isn't just a passthrough?

Go to the thread below Ron has shown a good link to someone that has started a post on HDMI Receivers and their capabilities.

ALL POSTERS GO TO THIS THREAD AND ADD YOUR RECEIVER IF IT IS NOT ALREADY THERE.

[QUOTE=Ron Jones;13655557]For those of you that frequent this thread I have posted an update under Post #1 on the PS3 Firmware Version 2.3x - Master Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1017825)

Actual thread:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=943558

Thanks Ron

dabrit

04-17-08, 01:16 PM

bplewis24

04-17-08, 02:41 PM

I know this probably isn't the right place to post, but I don't have time to find the appropriate thread. Can anyone tell me, if they know how to fix the date and time on Grand Turismo 5 Prologue, evertime I start up the game it tells me that my date and time are wrong, the time on the PS3 is correct I have double checked however GT5 displays April 4th when it is in fact april 16th, I can't seem to find anywhere in the menu where you can change it???

If i'm not mistaken, the date/time on the GT5 calender isn't the real date/time. In Gran Turismo days go by based on how much you play the game. For example if you purchase a car, usually a day goes by instantaneously. If you enter a race, when you're done with the race another day will have passed.

Now, maybe this year they changed it, but I doubt it. Also, I got the same message as you did and I had to reset the daylight savings time on my PS3 and then use the internet to set the PS3 clock in the menu settings. I think that may have fixed it.

See this thread for more GT5:P discussion: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1004668

Brandon

cyberbri

04-17-08, 04:08 PM

I guess that is where I am not educated. What is the difference where the sound is decoded. Is my Yamaha new enough to do this. The manual says HDMI 1.2
Thanks again for your response. I actually like the looks of the PS3 I wonder of the heat it is said to throw off. Will it be ok on top of my cable box? That is where it most go..
I guess it does not matter to me as I can get them both for the same price. I just want to make the right choice and be done with it. Oh yeah, Using a sammy 50" plasma 2 years old. 720p

If your cable box is anything like my Comcast HD DVR, I wouldn't put anything on top of it at all. It runs hot even when it's off. You don't want to block the vents on top or you could overheat it.

chris0

04-17-08, 05:17 PM

Now, maybe this year they changed it, but I doubt it. Also, I got the same message as you did and I had to reset the daylight savings time on my PS3 and then use the internet to set the PS3 clock in the menu settings. I think that may have fixed it.
It's changed. Yesterday after fixing my PS3 clock and DST setting, the calendar in GT5 read 4/16 with the correct time, today it reads 4/17.

kevinjs123

04-17-08, 07:53 PM

pnkflyd51

04-17-08, 08:07 PM

The 80GB PS3s will be available again in June. In addition to having the bigger hard drive, they will also include:

- backward compatibility with PS2 titles
- Dualshock 3 wireless controller
- Metal Gear Solid 4

I'm not sure if there will be any changes relevant to Blu-Ray or audio playback. (Anyone?)

Ken

Hmmm. wireless siraxis controller, larger hard drive, compatibility with PS2, an included game. All for only $100 more? Something tells me the 40 GB unit may be getting a ~$50 price drop when this new 80 GB arrives.

rdclark

04-17-08, 08:16 PM

rdclark

04-17-08, 08:18 PM

Hmmm. wireless siraxis controller, larger hard drive, compatibility with PS2, an included game. All for only $100 more? Something tells me the 40 GB unit may be getting a ~$50 price drop when this new 80 GB arrives.

Or the 40GB will get a new bundle with the new controller and a game or movie.

griz_fan

04-17-08, 11:13 PM

Yamaha RX-V663

Hi!

A friend of mine is looking to upgrade is AVR for something that is compatible with the ps3 LPCM. He would like to stay with Yamaha but i'm not familiar with that brand and products line. Anybody here know a model from Yamaha that is similar in performance than the sony 810 or the onkyo 605 and process lpcm from its hdmi connection and isn't just a passthrough?

Yamaha makes a really nice AVR. The New 663 looks to have some great specs, but you can probably find a really nice deal on the Yamaha RX-V661 right now. The 661 is "only" HDMI 1.2, but that's fine for a PS3, it will handle multi-channel audio over LPCM just fine. The Onkyo 605 is a popular and affordable choice, I have one, and has the added benefit of also being able to process bitstreamed TrueHD and DTS-MA over HDMI. But, if you friend likes Yamaha, the 661 would be a GREAT choice, especially since it is being blown out for the new 663...

Milt99

04-17-08, 11:14 PM

Not that it matters but...
I just set up my PS3 tonight and I am very impressed.
The menu system is a bit wonky but no big deal.
Did the 2.30 update. Simple Simon. More CE companies, no all CE companies should take a page out of Sony's book in this.
The BlueTooth remote is sweet. No aiming.
I don't know why some people make reference to the PS3 being noisy. That is absolutely false.
I have a dedicated HT room that has a super low noise floor and the PS3 is unobtrusive.
I'm in the process of watching Sunshine. Nice soundtrack.
First impression is that the PS3 is an excellent piece of gear and a steal at $299.

shadowrage

04-17-08, 11:24 PM

The menu system is a bit wonky but no big deal.

I'll have you know that the XMB won an Emmy. Just like Kathy Griffin, so take that for what it's worth.

If you're posting and watching Sunshine at the same time, then you don't like Sunshine. My two cents.

grommet

04-17-08, 11:35 PM

Thanks grommet, well said. I have unchecked the options as you suggested.

However, this still appears to be a grey area. Allow me to summarize the situation:

-a 7.1 source* (either TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, or PCM, as they all output as 7.1 PCM)
-a 7.1 receiver (with Surround Backs disabled)
-a 5.1 speaker set-up

How does one avoid completely losing the Surround Back channels?

I see two possible solutions, either:

a) Uncheck all Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. options on the PS3, thus trusting the PS3 to properly downmix the Surround Back channels into the Surround channels.

or

b) Check all Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. options on the PS3 (leave in Automatic), thus trusting the 7.1 receiver to properly downmix the Surround Back channels into the Surround channels.

What's best? Is there a difference? Perhaps the answer is on a per-receiver basis. What have you experienced?If you read my reply again closely, I think I answered it all. For Lossless, you get a "true" 5.1 mix as generated by the actual mix engineer, as long as the decoder knows you only have 5.1. Hence, my recommendation to manually disable 7.1 on PS3 if you only have 5.1 speakers on a 7.1 capable receiver.

For PCM tracks, you can pick your poison... but I'd just leave 7.1 off and just let the PS3 mix it down since it would be annoying to just enable 7.1 for PCM discs. I guess you can evaluate your receiver's mix-down process yourself and see if it's worth it. :)

The main question is, does the PS3 properly downmix 7.1 to 5.1 without losing any of the audio content?
See above. :D

Milt99

04-17-08, 11:57 PM

I'll have you know that the XMB won an Emmy. Just like Kathy Griffin, so take that for what it's worth.

If you're posting and watching Sunshine at the same time, then you don't like Sunshine. My two cents.I apologize if you worked on the PS3 menu system. Maybe I just need to get accustomed to it.
It's called the pause button.
Actually, I do like Sunshine.
IMO, excellent PQ\AQ and an interesting plot so far.
BTW, my pre\pro by default applies DPLIIx and I am getting loads of sound from the rear surrounds on this film.

shadowrage

04-18-08, 12:37 AM

I apologize if you worked on the PS3 menu system. Maybe I just need to get accustomed to it.
It's called the pause button.
Actually, I do like Sunshine.
IMO, excellent PQ\AQ and an interesting plot so far.
BTW, my pre\pro by default applies DPLIIx and I am getting loads of sound from the rear surrounds on this film.

I didn't work on the menu. I'm just a fan of Kathy Griffin.

But seriously, concentrate on Sunshine it's worth it. Sorry for the interruption.

da Choge

04-18-08, 01:28 AM

I don't know why some people make reference to the PS3 being noisy. That is absolutely false.It's just false under your experience; you really can't make a global statement based on your unit alone. I believe it has been well-documented that there are renditions of the original 60gig PS3, fitted with certain-brand fans, that will gin-up (when the cell processor is being taxed to high or even moderate levels) to very audible (and somewhat distracting) sound levels. Just because your new unit doesn't do this, does not justify a statement that the observations of other PS3 users' are "absolutely false". Yes, be glad that you have a new PS3 that does not have these problems. Sony has apparently solved much of the processor-heat and cooling issues that the original PS3 had in the past -- I could not be happier myself !!!

However, my PS3 is still undeniably (even after 2.30), on occasion, the loudest component in my system (and that includes my STB/DVR and HTPC; except on HTPC startup where it is unacceptably loud, but that lasts for only a minute and is due solely to GPU start-up issues). I put a lot of research and a little added expense into making the right fan and processor-cooling selections and ended up with a fairly silent HTPC (unfortunately, now it is somewhat out-dated and I need to start on a new one; my present HTPC will be destined for the master bedroom AV setup after I get together a new-n-better main AV HTPC).

I think it is undeniable that certain past PS3s have had somewhat significant noise issues; I also agree that it seems that Sony has solved this problem and it no longer remains a significant issue. And it's great that you have a newer unit where the operating noise is negligible - enjoy !!!

Even at that, my original PS3 remains one of my best, most enjoyable, and comparatively cheapest AV purchases within the last two years. And, although, I was thinking seriously of getting a stand-alone Blu-ray player to replace my 60g PS3 as my main player, I may just end-up getting another new 80g PS3 when it comes out; it's just that good !!! Even though I like the idea of bitstreaming the new audio codecs to my AVR which can decode all of them, it ain't really that important, and in the end, prolly makes no audio difference whatsoever.

- da Choge

Category 5

04-18-08, 01:37 AM

It's just false under your experience; you really can't make a global statement based on your unit alone. I believe it has been well-documented that there are renditions of the original 60gig PS3, fitted with certain-brand fans, that will gin-up (when the cell processor is being taxed to high or even moderate levels) to very audible (and somewhat distracting) sound levels. Just because your new unit doesn't do this, does not justify a statement that the observations of other PS3 users' are "absolutely false". Yes, be glad that you have a new PS3 that does not have these problems. Sony has apparently solved much of the processor-heat and cooling issues that the original PS3 had in the past -- I could not be happier myself !!!

However, my PS3 is still undeniably (even after 2.30), on occasion, the loudest component in my system (and that includes my STB/DVR and HTPC; except on HTPC startup where it is unacceptably loud, but that lasts for only a minute and is due solely to GPU start-up issues). I put a lot of research and a little added expense into making the right fan and processor-cooling selections and ended up with a fairly silent HTPC (unfortunately, now it is somewhat out-dated and I need to start on a new one; my present HTPC will be destined for the master bedroom AV setup after I get together a new-n-better main AV HTPC).

I think it is undeniable that certain past PS3s have had somewhat significant noise issues; I also agree that it seems that Sony has solved this problem and it no longer remains a significant issue. And it's great that you have a newer unit where the operating noise is negligible - enjoy !!!

Even at that, my original PS3 remains one of my best, most enjoyable, and comparatively cheapest AV purchases within the last two years. And, although, I was thinking seriously of getting a stand-alone Blu-ray player to replace my 60g PS3 as my main player, I may just end-up getting another new 80g PS3 when it comes out; it's just that good !!! Even though I like the idea of bitstreaming the new audio codecs to my AVR which can decode all of them, it ain't really that important, and in the end, prolly makes no audio difference whatsoever.

- da Choge

Agreed. I have 2 60gb PS3s and both are audible from at least 25 feet away when the fans kick on during movie playback. It's not a 360 to be sure, but still too loud to be considered a true HT component. I geuss the 40 gig units are rumored to be much quieter.

It's not a deal breaker for me, but I sure do wish they were quieter.

bori

04-18-08, 01:40 AM

Agreed. I have 2 60gb PS3s and both are audible from at least 25 feet away when the fans kick on during movie playback. It's not a 360 to be sure, but still too loud to be considered a true HT component. I geuss the 40 gig units are rumored to be much quieter.

It's not a deal breaker for me, but I sure do wish they were quieter.

Yes my 40gig is dead silent. You can't tell its on if it weren't for the lights in the front. I also have 2 xbox 360s and those things are loud when that drive is spinning.

David Aiken

04-18-08, 01:44 AM

I'm sure this is a noob question so please go easy.

Just got my PS3 (40gb) and new receiver (Yamaha 663). With the update now available to support DTS-MA HD I want to take advantage of it since my receiver will support it. My question is about cable set-up. I would like to be able to use the PS3 two ways since its my only BD player. I would like to be able to have it so audio will be through the receiver for when I want to use the 5.1 set-up, but would also like to be able to just watch and play movies and not use the receiver and 5.1 surround, just have it playing through the plasmas speakers...say for late night watching when can not play the HT loud or if we just want to pop in movie to get our daughter busy etc

I understand how it must be setup for the HT use. PS3 hdmi to receiver in > receiver hdmi out to plasma (is hdmi really the best way to go?)

But how about the other? Just use another HDMI from PS3 straight to plasma on a different input? Or have to break it up with a optical and or components? Which cables should I use for the best results to take full advantage of each with the new updates?

In the settings for my Denon receiver there's an option for HDMI audio to go to the receiver or to the TV. I can swap between them by changing the settings. The fly in the ointment is that the receiver has to be one for this to work because if it isn't on, then the signal—both audio and video—doesn't get passed through. If your Yamaha receiver has a similar option that would solve your problems.

Otherwise you would need to feed the HDMI output from the PS3 to a HDMI switching device and use 2 HDMI outputs from that, one to the receiver and one to a different HDMI input on the TV than you're using for the HDMI output from the receiver. Then you just switch outputs on the switching box and inputs on the TV to swap between the 2 different setups.

The alternative is simply to unplug the HDMI input from the receiver and plug it directly into the TV whenever you want to use the TV's speakers and swap it back to the receiver when you're finished. I don't know how well HDMI connections hold up to frequency plugging and unplugging and I'd recommend the switching box option instead of this.

Alternatively, hook up the component video/stereo audio outputs from the PS3 to the TV and use them when you don't want surround sound.

Milt99

04-18-08, 01:58 AM

I humbly apologize. My PS3 is not noisy.
My reference was to people who say they won't buy a PS3 because they are loud.
I guess I shoudn't ask but, if certain versions of the PS3 are so noisy, why didn't you return them?

Steve Burke

04-18-08, 02:03 AM

My reference was to people who say they won't buy a PS3 because they are loud.
I guess I shoudn't ask but, if certain versions of the PS3 are so noisy, why didn't you return them?

Because they can't return something that they haven't bought?

smashpwnage

04-18-08, 02:30 AM

just got my ps3 yesterday and i love it and updated the fw on my sammy so i can finally watch 1080p/24. if i can tell the difference.. well thats another story.

cyberbri

04-18-08, 03:14 AM

My 80GB is usually as silent as can be. But we recently had some very hot weather over a past weekend, and without AC in the house it was quite hot (over 80 degrees). While watching a Blu-ray in the evening, when the house was cooling down, part-way through the movie I heard the PS3 running (at 15' away) louder than the 360's normal hum.

kagolu

04-18-08, 10:17 AM

thptrek

04-18-08, 10:28 AM

Grommet, thanks for your post and clarification. I have a 5.1 setup. With HDMI on automatic the PS3 placed a checkmark in all formats since my Pio 92 receiver can handle them. Based on your recommendation I am going to go into the Manual setup and uncheck the 7.1 options. Thanks again for the help.

P7M8

04-18-08, 11:14 AM

I picked up a PS3 and will be setting it up tonight. My receiver is old, it's a Sony STR-V333ES (no HDMI). I'll be going from the PS3 to my KDL-52XBR5 via HDMI and into the receiver with an optical cable. Does this mean that games will play through the same receiver mode as Blu-Ray? Is this a satisfactory set-up?

TIA. I'm a technical guy but not up to speed on Blu-Ray and all the tweaks.

stonecrd

04-18-08, 11:39 AM

Yep, you will just be limited to the legacy DTS and DD sound tracks for movies, I don't think any games use the HD sound yet so no loss there.

pikoo

04-18-08, 12:32 PM

rr330i

04-18-08, 12:39 PM

I was at a gamestop, and they thought the 40g would drop in price to 350, or even 300, w/ the new 80g coming at 500. I think for the extra $100, it'd be worth having the 80g.

chasbox

04-18-08, 12:48 PM

Jay_Davis

04-18-08, 01:15 PM

Yep, you will just be limited to the legacy DTS and DD sound tracks for movies, I don't think any games use the HD sound yet so no loss there.

Some games will use 7.1 PCM, which only works with HDMI.

Nox

04-18-08, 01:18 PM

I am planning to use PS3 as a BD player. Should I wait for the 80GB to come out? Or, buy the 40GB version now? Pl. help.

80GB is back-ward compatible, one game included in it, SACD support and may be other features? Any confirmed release date yet for 80GB?

(My response doesn't answer your question, but it made me think about the backwards compatibility.)

I still don't understand why the 40gig is not backwards compatible. Personally, I think it has all to do with marketing the more expensive 80gig. The 40gig certainly has enough power to push the software decoder.

Perhaps, Sony is going to start selling PS 1+2 games online (ala Xbox Live!) and include a backwards compatibility code for each game.

Who knows... I still think all PS3's should have been BC out of the box.

phoenix96

04-18-08, 01:45 PM

(My response doesn't answer your question, but it made me think about the backwards compatibility.)

I still don't understand why the 40gig is not backwards compatible. Personally, I think it has all to do with marketing the more expensive 80gig. The 40gig certainly has enough power to push the software decoder.

The original 20GB and 60GB PlayStation 3s included both the PS2's "Emotion Engine" CPU and its "Graphics Synthesizer" GPU. The 80GB ditched the Emotion Engine in favor of software emulation, but kept the Graphics Synthesizer. The 40GB lost the Graphics Synthesizer as well, hence no PS2 backward compatibility at all.

tristan2

04-18-08, 02:09 PM

I thought the 40G was backward compatible with the Playstation 1 games. Not so?

The original 20GB and 60GB PlayStation 3s included both the PS2's "Emotion Engine" CPU and its "Graphics Synthesizer" GPU. The 80GB ditched the Emotion Engine in favor of software emulation, but kept the Graphics Synthesizer. The 40GB lost the Graphics Synthesizer as well, hence no backwards compatibility at all.

PikachuManZzZ

04-18-08, 02:13 PM

I thought the 40G was backward compatible with the Playstation 1 games. Not so?

Yea, PS1 games are done entirely via software, and are thus compatible with any PS3 version.

PS2 games are dependent on hardware support being present, as "phoenix96" detailed.

phoenix96

04-18-08, 02:15 PM

I thought the 40G was backward compatible with the Playstation 1 games. Not so?

Yes, you are right. PlayStation 1 backward compatibility is still functioning.

Craig W.

04-18-08, 02:26 PM

Buckeye911

04-18-08, 02:33 PM

I saw on the Sony Style website today that the 40gb PS3 they are selling today is NOT compatible with PS2 games. I thought I read here previously that it was. Anyone know the true story regarding PS2 game compatibility?

The statement is true, it is NOT compatible with PS2 games.

kaszeta

04-18-08, 02:35 PM

I saw on the Sony Style website today that the 40gb PS3 they are selling today is NOT compatible with PS2 games. I thought I read here previously that it was. Anyone know the true story regarding PS2 game compatibility?

As stated above, the current 40gb model is definitely not PS2 compatible. (I can confirm this with some of my old PS2 games).

manofice

04-18-08, 05:59 PM

Ok so i've only used my ps3 for blu-ray movies, well tonight i put some mp3's on a memory stick and was playing them through that with my surround sound and it was awesome, well I thought since my main pc and my ps3 are on the same router I wonder if i can stream my music to it. I CAN haha, it was so easy, now i have all my computer music streaming right to my ps3, this rocks

friedriceballer

04-18-08, 06:25 PM

Question. Can anyone please tell me how to plays MP3's and AVIs as 2 channel on the PS3 so my receiver can matrix them into 5.1 or 7.1? Thanks.

EDIT: Never mind, I found out how, but it's a hassle of a fix having to go into the audio menu and disable everything except 2 channel LPCM.

mustvid

04-18-08, 07:32 PM

cyberbri

04-18-08, 08:01 PM

Some games will use 7.1 PCM, which only works with HDMI.

As well as 5.1 PCM.
I believe Resistance outputs in PCM over HDMI, and I know Uncharted: Drake's Fortune lets you choose between 5.1/7.1 PCM, DD, DTS, etc.

grommet

04-18-08, 09:41 PM

Just a gentle reminder: This is a "Blu-ray player" sub-forum, and this is a "One-and-Only PS3 as Blu-ray Player Thread" -- let's try to keep it usable and on topic. There are other sections, where you can talk about PS3 media streaming, gaming, etc. until you turn blue.

justlou

04-18-08, 10:28 PM

I am planning to use PS3 as a BD player. Should I wait for the 80GB to come out? Or, buy the 40GB version now? Pl. help.

80GB is back-ward compatible, one game included in it, SACD support and may be other features? Any confirmed release date yet for 80GB?

It depends on your needs. I didn't need anything the 80GB system has, so I bought the 40GB. It cost me $50 for a 120GB HD, so I have a 120GB PS3 for $50 less than the 80GB system.

desiderio

04-18-08, 11:01 PM

bori

04-18-08, 11:05 PM

I have a PS3 with the latest firmware (2.3). The PS3 is connected to my SR605 via HDMI and my SR605 to my TV by HDMI as well. I have a 5.1 setup. To achieve the best sound, should I set my PS3 to output in LPCM or bitstream?

LPCM for Blu Ray and Bitstream for DVDs. You can leave it on LPCM all the time but, bitstream is the preferred method for DVDs.

zapper

04-18-08, 11:05 PM

The best for True Hd and so on is LPCM and bitsteam for your regular DVD's.

desiderio

04-18-08, 11:18 PM

LPCM for Blu Ray and Bitstream for DVDs. You can leave it on LPCM all the time but, bitstream is the preferred method for DVDs.

Is there any way of doing this automatically-- i.e., doing bitstream for dvds and LPCM for blu-ray or do you have to manually set this everytime you watch a disc?

Secondly, since I only have a 5.1 setup, should I manually uncheck the 7.1 outputs on the PS3 audio setup or just leave it on "auto" setup (and hope that the PS3 detects I only have a 5.1 system-- although my receiver is 7.1 capable)?

uforia

04-18-08, 11:38 PM

Can the PS3 with the latest firmware now send bitstream DTS-HD and Dolby-HD? Or only PCM? If it only send PCM...can this be sent on the one HDMI cable to my reciever with video? no use for optical?

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04-18-08, 11:42 PM

Can the PS3 with the latest firmware now send bitstream DTS-HD and Dolby-HD? Or only PCM? If it only send PCM...can this be sent on the one HDMI cable to my reciever with video? no use for optical?
No, it won't bitstream.

You have to use HDMI. If you use optical, you won't get TrueHD or DTS HD MA.

hecubus1st

04-19-08, 12:23 AM

Grommet (or anyone else who might be able to help)...

I've been reading some of your responses to questions concerning PS3 and rear surround speaker issues, so I thought I'd toss this out and see if you could offer me some advice. I was originally posting in the Onkyo 605 thread, and even though everyone over there was nice and helpful, ultimately, my problem still remains unsolved.

So I'll just throw together a quick summation of my problem from some various posts I made over there...

I'm not hearing the rear surrounds on any Bluray movie (tried Superbad, Live Free Die Hard, 300, Pan's Labyrinth which happens to 7.1, Black Hawk Down, though all speakers work only while in the Black Hawk Down menu--as soon as the movie starts, rear surrounds stop outputting).

Anyway...

PS3 to Onkyo TX-SR605 receiver via HDMI

This was the suggested setup from several AVS posters...

1. In the 605 settings, under menu "7. Hardware Setup" then "5. HDMI" then set "HDMI Audio Out" to "Off."
2. In PS3 under "BD/DVD Settings," I've selected "Linear PCM" in "BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI)"
3. In PS3 under "Sound Settings", then "Audio Output Settings", I chose "Automatic" and it selects everything but AAC including...

Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. 44.1 kHz
Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. 88.2 kHz
Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. 176.4 kHz
Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. 48 kHz
Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. 96 kHz
Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. 192 kHz

Then set the receiver to "Multichannel."

Then this unfortunately happened...

My "surround back" speakers do not produce sound. All other speakers (center, left, right, sur.left, sur.right, sub) are working fine, but for some reason, both rear surround speakers are now silent when watching PS3 BD movies (I've tried 5.1 and 7.1 movies with no luck.)

I've tried switching from 'multichannel' to 'direct' and neither allows audio from the rear surrounds. Both rear surrounds are at their maximum loudness and nothing comes out.

When I do a level test on the speakers, they produce audio no problem.

So far, no luck. My rear surrounds aren't outputting sound when listening to Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA (either 5.1 or 7.1) with the above configuration on my PS3.

When listening to something like "Lord of the Rings Extended Editions" on my HDMI DVD player, I get DTS ES no problem, and the all the speakers work, though the rear surrounds don't push music--just various sound fx (which is as it's supposed to be I'm thinking.)

Any help is super appreciated as I'm going crazy trying to figure out what the heck I'm doing wrong. Thanks.

P7M8

04-19-08, 12:44 AM

What version of Adobe Flash do I download to watch videos on the PS3 while surfing?

A search didn't turn up anything.

Thanks

grommet

04-19-08, 01:19 AM

Is there any way of doing this automatically-- i.e., doing bitstream for dvds and LPCM for blu-ray or do you have to manually set this everytime you watch a disc?

Secondly, since I only have a 5.1 setup, should I manually uncheck the 7.1 outputs on the PS3 audio setup or just leave it on "auto" setup (and hope that the PS3 detects I only have a 5.1 system-- although my receiver is 7.1 capable)?Really, please read back or use search. I think I just answered the 5.1/7.1 thing a page or two ago. About forcing "bitstream" for classic codecs... no, there is no way for PS3 to switch automatically. If your receiver handles PCM appropriately, there won't be much difference letting PS3 decode everything anyway. (Well, excluding the rare DTS-ES 6.1 titles.)

grommet

04-19-08, 01:39 AM

I'm not hearing the rear surrounds on any Bluray movie (tried Superbad, Live Free Die Hard, 300, Pan's Labyrinth which happens to 7.1, Black Hawk Down, though all speakers work only while in the Black Hawk Down menu--as soon as the movie starts, rear surrounds stop outputting).

{edit}

Any help is super appreciated as I'm going crazy trying to figure out what the heck I'm doing wrong. Thanks.NOTE: Pan's Labyrinth (other than the studio logo) will not output as 7.1 on the PS3; the DTS-HD MA Limited decoder does not suppport the specific mapping used on this title and will extract 5.1 only. So, for PS3 users... It's a 5.1 title.

So, since all the movies you listed are 5.1 (yes, even Pan's in this case)... It is clear you are having trouble with your receiver matrixing the 5.1 PCM output from your PS3 to your 7.1 environment. I'm not familiar with your receiver, so I really can't comment on what is configured wrong. Your PS3 settings seem to be fine.

Also, do you have another 7.1 title (hopefully not another DTS-HD MA with the same incompatible map that makes it 5.1 on PS3)? But if that works fine, it doesn't really solve your 5.1 --> 7.1 problem. :p

Update: It seems your Onkyo 605 receiver can't process/matrix incoming 5.1 PCM to 7.1. So, I think that explains most of your problem? :( See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=854091 Use search for more.

grommet

04-19-08, 01:45 AM

What version of Adobe Flash do I download to watch videos on the PS3 while surfing?

A search didn't turn up anything.

ThanksWrong forum, but you don't. Adobe Flash has not been ported to PS3's marginal browser.

flec04

04-19-08, 02:04 AM

Really, please read back or use search. I think I just answered the 5.1/7.1 thing a page or two ago. About forcing "bitstream" for classic codecs... no, there is no way for PS3 to switch automatically. If your receiver handles PCM appropriately, there won't be much difference letting PS3 decode everything anyway. (Well, excluding the rare DTS-ES 6.1 titles.)

This is a great thread, really informative & helpful. Perhaps a lot of the newer information we're discovering could be added to the 1st post?

chris0

04-19-08, 03:30 AM

This is a great thread, really informative & helpful. Perhaps a lot of the newer information we're discovering could be added to the 1st post?
lol...if only.

desiderio

04-19-08, 07:32 AM

Really, please read back or use search. I think I just answered the 5.1/7.1 thing a page or two ago. About forcing "bitstream" for classic codecs... no, there is no way for PS3 to switch automatically. If your receiver handles PCM appropriately, there won't be much difference letting PS3 decode everything anyway. (Well, excluding the rare DTS-ES 6.1 titles.)

grommet,
:o
oops... sorry about that. you're right... i'm just now reading the posts on this topic a couple of pages back. thanks again :o

wabkab

04-19-08, 10:53 AM

I was wondering what would be the warranty options ( I assume none) on a used PS3 bought from a Craiglist seller. Some have original reciepts, others don't--does it matter. Also gamestop has some refurbs and one seller on ebay has them as "factory recertified" in sealed box--don't know why Sony wouldn't sell these themself. No info on the warranty. It seems kinda bizzare to buy a used unit near or above MSRP and little or no good warranty or return options. I want an 80 or 60 gig model-that's why used is a consideration.

wabkab

04-19-08, 11:55 AM

junior79

04-19-08, 12:13 PM

i have 3 speakers 2 towers beta 40 and c360 center no sub or rears what should i set my pcm setting on ps3 at rec is yamaha 663

patnshan

04-19-08, 01:05 PM

Is there any way of doing this automatically-- i.e., doing bitstream for dvds and LPCM for blu-ray or do you have to manually set this everytime you watch a disc?

Secondly, since I only have a 5.1 setup, should I manually uncheck the 7.1 outputs on the PS3 audio setup or just leave it on "auto" setup (and hope that the PS3 detects I only have a 5.1 system-- although my receiver is 7.1 capable)?

This is how it should be but so far Sony has not figured it out. Toshiba didn't figure out how to correctly market their products and lost because of it, but had this part right from the beginning. My A2 does just what you describe but my PS3 cannot. I think it really stupid that this function is not included for Blu Ray.

I would think you would get the same result with either of the choices you listed. The receiver will only power the 5 channels you have regardless of what the input is.

Pat

patnshan

04-19-08, 01:07 PM

i have 3 speakers 2 towers beta 40 and c360 center no sub or rears what should i set my pcm setting on ps3 at rec is yamaha 663

I would let it send 5.1 LPCM and the receiver will output to the speakers you have. If you select only 2.0, I think you'd will lose the center.

Pat

cyberbri

04-19-08, 01:08 PM

This is how it should be but so far Sony has not figured it out. Toshiba didn't figure out how to correctly market their products and lost because of it, but had this part right from the beginning. My A2 does just what you describe but my PS3 cannot. I think it really stupid that this function is not included for Blu Ray.

I would think you would get the same result with either of the choices you listed. The receiver will only power the 5 channels you have regardless of what the input is.

Pat

Yes, exactly. It would just be a separate PCM/bitstream setting for SD DVDs apart from Blu-ray. Like the SD DVD upscaling option.

UxiSXRD

04-19-08, 01:58 PM

Yes, exactly. It would just be a separate PCM/bitstream setting for SD DVDs apart from Blu-ray. Like the SD DVD upscaling option.

I could go for that... if I was ever watching any SD DVD's anymore. Guess I have been itching to watch the LOTR EE or Star Wars DVD's again.

Bob Pariseau

04-19-08, 02:16 PM

Except for the price reduction and the choice of game bundled with the PS3, are there any feature changes expected in the upcoming new 80GB PS3 due to ship in June compared to the now discontinued 80GB version?
--bob

da Choge

04-19-08, 02:25 PM

My "surround back" speakers do not produce sound. All other speakers (center, left, right, sur.left, sur.right, sub) are working fine, but for some reason, both rear surround speakers are now silent when watching PS3 BD movies (I've tried 5.1 and 7.1 movies with no luck.)
Update: It seems your Onkyo 605 receiver can't process/matrix incoming 5.1 PCM to 7.1. So, I think that explains most of your problem? :( See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=854091Yes, the 705 (from 705 on up) is the first model in the most recent series of Onkyo AVRs that will allow 5.1 to 7.1 matrixing/up-processing for PCM multichannel sources. :( Since the PS3 decodes all the newest codecs within the player first and then sends them L-PCM via HDMI to the Onk, you won't get a 5.1 to a 7.1 up-process for TrueHD or HD-MA 5.1 sources with the 605 either. But a 7.1 source should? sound through all your 7.1 speakers, I believe. And if you get a bitstreaming capable player, that may change things as well.

Now to read about my own faux pas with the PS3/Onk 905 see the following post . . .

- da Choge

da Choge

04-19-08, 02:25 PM

EDITED & REPOSTED FROM THE "OFFICIAL" ONKYO 905 THREAD

Although I've had the Onkyo TX-NR905 AVR and PS3 for at least 6? months now, this is the first time I've ever played an audio CD in the PS3 (which has been hooked up to the Onkyo ever since I got the 905).

I found I couldn't get any multi-channel surround modes with CD playback on the PS3 the way I had it set up (I have a 7.1 setup). I've always used the HDMI automatic selection method (as opposed to the manual) for the Audio Output Settings selections in the Sound Settings group for PS3 SETTINGS. This, of course, enabled the highest sampling rates for PS3 playback that the Onk 905 is capable of processing, namely 176.4kHz and 192kHz for 2-, 5.1-, and 7.1-channel playback. I guess the PS3 automatically sends out the highest sampling rate that's enabled. And that's been 176.4kHz (or 192kHz depending on what you have the Audio CD Output Frequncy setting on) with my PS3, at least up 'til now. Since the 905 can not do any surround-processing on either 176.4kHz or 192kHz sources, all it would playback with the PS3 CD-feed were the 2-track stereo modes. As I have many multichannel PCM Blu-rays, this begs the question, how long have I been listening to some of them in just 2-channel stereo? :eek::eek::eek: (Course, that's more of a tongue-'n-cheek comment than anything else, because I know I've been getting some kind of 5.1/7.1 surround processing from multitrack PCMs and they seem to play at 48kHz, anyway, despite the PS3 Sound Settings). After some more experimentation, I've found that if I set the Audio CD Output Frequency settings in the PS3's Music Settings section to 44.1/88.2/176.4 kHz and then disable the 2-, 5.1-, and 7.1-channel 176.4kHz choices in the HDMI Sound Settings, then the 905 allows any of its appropriate multichannel surround processing modes to be used with CD, DVD, and/or Blu-ray playback, as I please.

That I've only discovered this recently makes me feel like a real beginner!!! Maybe this has already been discussed on this thread, ad nauseum (if so, apologies). If this has been a topic of discussion and re-discussion, I guess I've just skipped over those posts 'cuz I thought I knew what I was doing, but obviously I didn't. Guess I'll always be a grasshoppa. :(:o:D

This all came about 'cuz I just had to listen to one of my old Fleetwood Mac CD-albums, and popped it into the PS3 instead of my CD-DVD player. And if I'm way off on my above findings/thinking and there are better ways to set the PS3/Onkyo 905 to allow all the appropriate multichannel surround sound processing modes in playback of most/all sources, please someone set me straight; I'm kinda embarassed to be even making this post.

-da Choge

Jay_Davis

04-19-08, 02:27 PM

LPCM for Blu Ray and Bitstream for DVDs. You can leave it on LPCM all the time but, bitstream is the preferred method for DVDs.

With that receiver he can leave it on LPCM all the time. The 605 handles PCM perfectly so it will sound the same. The only time bitstream needs to be selected is when listening to a DTS 6.1 track on a standard DVD. In this one case the PS3 will only output 5.1 instead of the full 6.1 so you'll want to temporarily switch to bitstream mode for this.

Jay_Davis

04-19-08, 02:33 PM

Bugg77

04-19-08, 02:43 PM

NOTE: Pan's Labyrinth (other than the studio logo) will not output as 7.1 on the PS3; the DTS-HD MA Limited decoder does not suppport the specific mapping used on this title and will extract 5.1 only. So, for PS3 users... It's a 5.1 title.

So, since all the movies you listed are 5.1 (yes, even Pan's in this case)... It is clear you are having trouble with your receiver matrixing the 5.1 PCM output from your PS3 to your 7.1 environment. I'm not familiar with your receiver, so I really can't comment on what is configured wrong. Your PS3 settings seem to be fine.

Also, do you have another 7.1 title (hopefully not another DTS-HD MA with the same incompatible map that makes it 5.1 on PS3)? But if that works fine, it doesn't really solve your 5.1 --> 7.1 problem. :p

Update: It seems your Onkyo 605 receiver can't process/matrix incoming 5.1 PCM to 7.1. So, I think that explains most of your problem? :( See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=854091 Use search for more.

Not sure it will help the OP, but the new Onkyo 606 will matrix 5.1 MPCM to 7.1.

wabkab

04-19-08, 03:14 PM

da Choge

04-19-08, 03:19 PM

This has been known for a while. I'm assuming you are using the lasted firmware in the PS3 so that tells me they haven't fixed the problem yet. Basically the PS3 outputs the 2 channel CD as 5.1, with the extra channels having no sound. Take a look at your receiver and it should show 5.1 channels being received. So the receiver doesn't think it needs to do anything but only 2 channels actually have sound in them.I have 2.30 firmware. And, yeah, I thought it was kind of screwy where the Onkyo display button would show 5.1 channels with a 2-track audio CD playback from the PS3 (and then play only 2 channels) -- But that was only true for the way I used to have the PS3 set. Now that I have disabled all the 176.4kHz frequency Audio Output Settings on the PS3 (and set other PS3 settings as the above post indicates), the Onkyo display shows that it is receiving only a 2-track 88.2kHz PCM input and will rematrix/process it to any multichannel surround mode that I choose. And while this does seem to be a bug with the PS3 (the 5.1 showing for a 2-track audio CD 176.4kHz output), this seems to be a great work around w/o losing any functionality.

- da Choge

OldSlow

04-19-08, 03:28 PM

Whats the differences between the sixaxis controller and the DS?

bplewis24

04-19-08, 03:32 PM

Whats the differences between the sixaxis controller and the DS?

Rumble and weight. The DS3 is heavier.

Brandon

Bob Pariseau

04-19-08, 05:35 PM

Other than the Dual shock 3 controller--it is unknown.
Thanks! I hadn't realized they also changed the bundled controller.
--Bob

TheKC7

04-19-08, 06:00 PM

David Aiken

04-19-08, 06:13 PM

TheKC7

04-19-08, 06:50 PM

Check the video output settings. It will be either RGB or Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr. Swap it to the opposite one to the one it's set at and see if that solves your problem.

I tried both, and its still doing the whole fluorescent and weird off-color thing.

bplewis24

04-19-08, 07:14 PM

I tried both, and its still doing the whole fluorescent and weird off-color thing.

Change HDMI cables and/or input slots.

Force individual resolutions and see if you get the same issue on all of them.

Brandon

p-g-m

04-19-08, 07:41 PM

Hi, guys,
I haven't used my PS3 to watch BD movies, for some time now, as I have an LG 200 and a Samsung 5000. However, I got excited about the new FW and decided to see/hear for myself. I am using a Samsung HL-T 6189s tv. When I connect the PS3 to it, the picture gets quite distorted, or snowy. If I play with the input /it seems a little lose/ it eventually improves a bit, but I see a line in the middle of the screen. Sometimes pulsates and stuff... I remember reading something about the bad HDMI input on the PS3, but can't remember much. I've tried different cables and I don't think it's my tv... How do you deal with that? Thanks

yellowcanary73

04-19-08, 09:07 PM

Is there any chance Sony will put a better audio chip in the up coming 80gig PS3 to bitstream

TheMoose

04-19-08, 09:17 PM

Is there any chance Sony will put a better audio chip in the up coming 80gig PS3 to bitstream

They need to save something for the standalones!!:p

Geronimo.USMC

04-19-08, 10:39 PM

I just hooked up my PS3 to my Sony XBR4 using an HDMI cable. DVDs and video games play fine, but when I put in a Blu Ray the colors change to weird fluorescents and the colors are COMPLETELY off. When I take out the Blu Ray the television display still looks the same and the only way to make it look okay is to reset the TV to its factory display settings.

I noticed that on my samsung 5281F, that for bluray games and movies, I have to leave my brightness at default (50) where it is normally, but have to raise it 6 (up to 56 from 50 )notches for PS2 games, picture viewing, and the trailers I download from PSN. Otherwise it will crush blacks on sd dvd, downloaded trailers, pictures, PS2 Games. Strange. Anybody else chime in with this??

Hughmc

04-19-08, 11:50 PM

Geronimo.USMC

04-19-08, 11:53 PM

Lol

Hughmc

04-19-08, 11:53 PM

They need to save something for the standalones!!:p

You mean those machines that only really do one thing, make that two things, ummm 3 things. They play BD's, DVD's and CD's, but they can also do....ummm... nothing. Even the 2000.00 ones. lol. It has been a pleasure owning something that does so much for relatively so little and makes one appreciate it can do what machines 4 times the cost can't. :eek::D

kagolu

04-20-08, 12:02 AM

yellowcanary73

04-20-08, 12:17 AM

They need to save something for the standalones!!:p

Won't the Sony stand alones be out about the same time as the new PS3.:)

goosebump

04-20-08, 12:47 AM

shadowrage

04-20-08, 01:06 AM

grommet

04-20-08, 02:17 AM

I just got a ps3 and love it. VERY basic question hope someone can answer:

Do you always have to select the desired audio track in the meu before watching a blu-ray, or is there a way to automatically have it play the best sound for the disc (PCM/trueHD/DTS-MA)?

If I missed this, a link would be most appreciated. thanksThere is no way to automatically play "the best sound" -- and the default soundtrack is up to the author.

Both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA are 'backwards compatible' (if your system doesn't support it, it'll output Dolby Digital or DTS, respectively)... so it's viable to make these the default.

For discs with PCM, it's not really the best choice to have it be the default... since the masses without HDMI multi-channel PCM capability get 2-channel stereo. (The PS3, and no Blu-ray player I know of, currently converts PCM to Dolby Digital or DTS for full optical compatibility, which is a shame.) These discs will default to Dolby Digital in almost all cases.

Yes, yet another advantage for Lossless over PCM. :)

Protheus

04-20-08, 06:59 AM

Both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA are 'backwards compatible' (if your system doesn't support it, it'll output Dolby Digital or DTS, respectively)... so it's viable to make these the default.

That is technically true only for DTS. TrueHD does not have a core stream. Instead there may be a hidden DD5.1 Track or it fail back to DD5.1 if there is an official DD5.1 Track.

Protheus

cappyxavs

04-20-08, 07:47 AM

You mean those machines that only really do one thing, make that two things, ummm 3 things. They play BD's, DVD's and CD's, but they can also do....ummm... nothing. Even the 2000.00 ones. lol. It has been a pleasure owning something that does so much for relatively so little and makes one appreciate it can do what machines 4 times the cost can't. :eek::D

my brother owns the 2k dennon player and claims pq is better. however i have to wonder if it's a case where he has to justify the price and it just has to be better or it really is, but again is it 1.5k better?.... i would think not.

the ps3 is hands down the best deal out there. extreemly great pq and usability. really can't beat it.

now that the ps3 is capable of decoding all hbr codecs the only reason left for a sa unit is for people who complaign about fan noise.

i believe the ps3 may be the only unit out there that can decode DTS-MA and DTS-HR in one unit. i think the sa units only do one or the other. any one have any input on this??

kriktsemaj99

04-20-08, 08:38 AM

I noticed that on my samsung 5281F, that for bluray games and movies, I have to leave my brightness at default (50) where it is normally, but have to raise it 6 (up to 56 from 50 )notches for PS2 games, picture viewing, and the trailers I download from PSN. Otherwise it will crush blacks on sd dvd, downloaded trailers, pictures, PS2 Games. Strange. Anybody else chime in with this??
It sounds like you might have set RGB output to Full Range in Display Settings. This will output black at video level 0 for games, pictures etc., while the black level for DVD and BD movies is still at video level 16 if they are output in YCbCr format instead of RGB.

Try setting RGB to Limited and then you should be able to use the same brightness setting for everything.

goosebump

04-20-08, 08:41 AM

Goose. Pretty Much all MA discs(Fox) will default to that so no need to worry there.

But for PCM you will have to select that from the menu. I don't think any discs default to PCM.

For TrueHD I'm pretty sure only the new Sony discs will default to TrueHD. For the most part these have to be select in the top menu.

Or you can just hit the audio button on your remote.
The PS3 doesn't have a feature that will force discs to start with a certain track playing. It's up to the studios to author their discs to you get the primo stuff first.

Shadowrage & grommet --- many thanks for the replies!

I understand, but it's a shame it's so complicated to explain to a non-tech person getting into HD (i.e. my parents, etc).
What do you tell the average consumer (assuming one has an hdmi receiver)?... 1. always choose PCM, 2. otherwise choose MA or TrueHD (just seems hard to remember/overly complicated for the masses...)

cappyxavs

04-20-08, 08:54 AM

Shadowrage & grommet --- many thanks for the replies!

I understand, but it's a shame it's so complicated to explain to a non-tech person getting into HD (i.e. my parents, etc).
What do you tell the average consumer (assuming one has an hdmi receiver)?... 1. always choose PCM, 2. otherwise choose MA or TrueHD (just seems hard to remember/overly complicated for the masses...)

it is complications such as this that send the older generation into hiding from the HD change.

My father in law finally got a hd tv however he will not bother with a surround unit or b) player. he is looking into a hd upgrade with his cable company. it is mostly fear of technology and comfort with a known working method that will dictate his buying preferences.

msantti

04-20-08, 09:09 AM

my brother owns the 2k dennon player and claims pq is better.

I would hope so for $1600 more!! :eek:

wvasko

04-20-08, 09:51 AM

bplewis24

04-20-08, 09:56 AM

It sounds like you might have set RGB output to Full Range in Display Settings. This will output black at video level 0 for games, pictures etc., while the black level for DVD and BD movies is still at video level 16 if they are output in YCbCr format instead of RGB.

Try setting RGB to Limited and then you should be able to use the same brightness setting for everything.

I have RGB set to full with the same TV and the PS3 and don't experience this problem. Perhaps he hasn't set the TV's dynamic range to "full" as well.

Brandon

rdclark

04-20-08, 10:02 AM

Anybody out there with a PS3 Wi-Fi hookup. I did an upgrade from dialup to WiFi on PC and wondering if hooking up to PS3 is a feasible option. I did manage to download 124.5mb upgrade-USB in a hour and 35 minutes. This would have been at least a 18 to 24 hour project before if it stayed online. I was wondering if anybody did the WiFi to PS3 upgrade direct. I love living in the boonies but you have to make compromises.

Not sure what the question is.

My PS3 is networked wirelessly (I have a hybrid wired/wireless home network with a cable connection to the Internet). Firmware updates on the PS3 are painless; it downloads the firmware, then restarts and installs it, then restarts and is ready to go. Takes maybe a half hour top to bottom.

wvasko

04-20-08, 10:19 AM

Not sure what the question is.

My PS3 is networked wirelessly (I have a hybrid wired/wireless home network with a cable connection to the Internet). Firmware updates on the PS3 are painless; it downloads the firmware, then restarts and installs it, then restarts and is ready to go. Takes maybe a half hour top to bottom.
Ok, Large TV tower for incoming radio WiFi signal, travels 125 feet to 2nd WiFi radio hooked with Ethernet cable to my PC then need switch or splitter to get over to PS3 with Ethernet cable. My WiFi installer seems to think this will work I was just wondering if any body else had like experience. I am approximately 8 miles away from the town that has the outgoing WiFi signal. Sorry if my explanation lacks tech savvy just understand caliber of man typing this stuff. Not brightest bulb in box. I'm still way ahead of the game as wife had to go to work to do the USB download at least now I can do that part of it at home. I just thought it would be great to hook up directly to PC.

rcol13

04-20-08, 10:22 AM

How is the PS3 as an upconverting DVD player?

kriktsemaj99

04-20-08, 10:33 AM

I have RGB set to full with the same TV and the PS3 and don't experience this problem. Perhaps he hasn't set the TV's dynamic range to "full" as well.

Do you know what video format is being used for BD/DVDs? If they also use RGB then everything will have the same black level. But if BD/DVDs use YCbCr and games etc. use RGB Full Range, then for sure there's a difference in black level and you would have to recalibrate your display.

You can demonstrate this easily just by sitting at the XMB screen and toggling RGB between Full and Limited --- the black level clearly changes (but it won't change for BD/DVD movies if they are outputting in YCbCr).

Roberto Carlo

04-20-08, 10:35 AM

How is the PS3 as an upconverting DVD player?

All you need to know and then some:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1013480&page=6

bplewis24

04-20-08, 10:57 AM

Ron Jones

04-20-08, 11:07 AM

Do you know what video format is being used for BD/DVDs? If they also use RGB then everything will have the same black level. But if BD/DVDs use YCbCr and games etc. use RGB Full Range, then for sure there's a difference in black level and you would have to recalibrate your display.

You can demonstrate this easily just by sitting at the XMB screen and toggling RGB between Full and Limited --- the black level clearly changes (but it won't change for BD/DVD movies if they are outputting in YCbCr).

It's my understanding DVDs and BDs are essentially recorded in YCbCr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YCrCb) format while games are in RGB. For RGB, PC and computer monitors when operating in 24-bit mode (8-bits per color) use a digital value of 0 (zero) for black and 255 for white. However for video the standard (for either RGB or YCbCr) is to use a value of 16 for black and 235 for white. When playing BDs or DVDs on a HDTV that takes an RGB input that is calibrated for video the correct PS3 setting is "RGB Limited" since that conforms the 16-235 range for black to white. The "RGB Full" setting on the PS3 is intended for use on displays calibrated as a computer monitor. When playing BD or DVD in the case where the PS3 is set to RGB Full the PS3 remaps the 16-235 range into 0-255 range and this could cause some small errors in the resulting gray scale steps. So for playback of DVDs and BDs generally YCbCr should be the first choice if the HDTV display device supports it then RGB Limited would be the second choice.

kriktsemaj99

04-20-08, 11:11 AM

The preferred format for BD/DVD is Y Cb Cr. But in order to achieve it the TV PS3 has to be set to "automatic" or Y Cb Cr for Video Output Format. Games and the XMB are RGB.

It's possible the user in question has the PS3 set to output everything at RGB.

Sorry, I phrased my reply as a question when in fact I was just trying to make the following statement:

If the PS3 is set to output everything as RGB then changing from RGB Full to Limited will change the black level of everything, and once the TV is set properly you won't have to change it. The OP observed that he did need to change the TV when switching between movies and games, and the only way he would see this effect is if he uses YCbCr (or Auto) for BD/DVDs and he has RGB Full enabled.

As you said the recommended format for BD/DVD is YCbCr (with Super White enabled if you want to pass BTB and WTW), and I would also recommend setting RGB to Limited since you will then have the same black level for everything and can use one brightness/contrast setting on the TV.

bplewis24

04-20-08, 11:21 AM

Sorry, I phrased my reply as a question when in fact I was just trying to make the following statement:

If the PS3 is set to output everything as RGB then changing from RGB Full to Limited will change the black level of everything, and once the TV is set properly you won't have to change it. The OP observed that he did need to change the TV when switching between movies and games, and the only way he would see this effect is if he uses YCbCr (or Auto) for BD/DVDs and he has RGB Full enabled.

As you said the recommended format for BD/DVD is YCbCr (with Super White enabled if you want to pass BTB and WTW), and I would also recommend setting RGB to Limited since you will then have the same black level for everything and can use one brightness/contrast setting on the TV.

My only point is that I have the TV and no changing of the setting is needed as long as the TV's input is set to accept RGB Full. It's the exact same as Limited when viewing DVDs, etc. However, since games utilize RGB full, that should be desired with this TV.

Brandon

podaman

04-20-08, 11:38 AM

Rumble and weight. The DS3 is heavier.

Brandon

and perhaps a shorter battery life? ;)

Kind of annoying controllers won't charge when the system is off...

bplewis24

04-20-08, 11:40 AM

and perhaps a shorter battery life? ;)

Kind of annoying controllers won't charge when the system is off...

I wouldn't know yet. Do you have any insight on this?

I've only had my DS3 for about 4 days. I use it when playing Gran Turismo, which Ive put in about 5 hours on so far and the controller still has 2 of 3 bars lit. It doesn't seem to be short on battery life yet.

As far as charging the controller when the PS3 is off, I just use an empty USB port nearby on the TV.

Brandon

kriktsemaj99

04-20-08, 11:57 AM

My only point is that I have the TV and no changing of the setting is needed as long as the TV's input is set to accept RGB Full. It's the exact same as Limited when viewing DVDs, etc. However, since games utilize RGB full, that should be desired with this TV.

OK, but I'm pretty sure that means you are watching DVDs in RGB with black=0 as well (i.e. with the PS3 in Auto mode your TV may request RGB, not YCbCr). That's the only way you would not see a different black level for BD/DVD movies vs. games/XMB when the PS3 is set to RGB Full.

But since we're probably confusing everyone here, do you mind listing all your relevant PS3 settings so we can clear this up and help the original poster. i.e. what are your:

BD/DVD Settings, BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) ---Automatic, RGB, or YCbCr?
Display Settings, RGB Full Range (HDMI) --- Limited or Full?
Display Settings, YCbCr Super-White (HDMI) --- Off or On?

bplewis24

04-20-08, 12:08 PM

OK, but I'm pretty sure that means you are watching DVDs in RGB with black=0 as well (i.e. with the PS3 in Auto mode your TV may request RGB, not YCbCr). That's the only way you would not see a different black level for BD/DVD movies vs. games/XMB when the PS3 is set to RGB Full.

But since we're probably confusing everyone here, do you mind listing all your relevant PS3 settings so we can clear this up and help the original poster. i.e. what are your:

BD/DVD Settings, BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) ---Automatic
Display Settings, RGB Full Range (HDMI) --- Full
Display Settings, YCbCr Super-White (HDMI) --- On

I can confirm when playing a DVD that the output format is YCbCr. All you have to do is go into the AV Settings menu and notice that the RGB Full Range option is greyed out, but SuperWhite can be changed in the movie on the fly. As long as the PS3's "Video Output Format" is set to Automatic, DVDs and BDs should be output as YCbCr. Therefore, from my experience there should be no change in black levels (comparing DVD to BD) unless the actual source material is that bad or the set is poorly calibrated. The OP is saying that BDs are fine but DVDs are crushed, which doesn't make sense to me. They should both be crushed or both be fine.

Also it should be noted that RGB Full Range should be set to limited for the majority of TVs out there. The XBR4 has an option to set RGB dynamic range specific to each video input. If it's set to "automatic" or "limited" and the PS3 is set to "Full" it will cause significant crushing of blacks and grayscale. If the PS3 is set to full, the TV must be as well.

The TV defaults to "automatic", so if the original poster has his PS3 set to "Full" for RGB Range he would be getting crushed blacks. It would only show up during DVD playback if his Video Output Format is set to RGB instead of "Automatic" or "YCbCr".

Brandon

kriktsemaj99

04-20-08, 12:49 PM

BD/DVD Settings, BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) ---Automatic
Display Settings, RGB Full Range (HDMI) --- Full
Display Settings, YCbCr Super-White (HDMI) --- On

I can confirm when playing a DVD that the output format is YCbCr. All you have to do is go into the AV Settings menu and notice that the RGB Full Range option is greyed out, but SuperWhite can be changed in the movie on the fly. As long as the PS3's "Video Output Format" is set to Automatic, DVDs and BDs should be output as YCbCr. Therefore, from my experience there should be no change in black levels (comparing DVD to BD) unless the actual source material is that bad or the set is poorly calibrated. The OP is saying that BDs are fine but DVDs are crushed, which doesn't make sense to me. They should both be crushed or both be fine.
...
The TV defaults to "automatic", so if the original poster has his PS3 set to "Full" for RGB Range he would be getting crushed blacks. It would only show up during DVD playback if his Video Output Format is set to RGB instead of "Automatic" or "YCbCr".

Agreed that the original question was a bit unclear (Geronimo, do you mind restating clearly the problem you were having?). But since I started this I guess I'll continue until we all agree on the facts...

I'm 100% sure that when the PS3 uses YCbCr for BD/DVDs, black is at level 16 (it cannot be changed, even with the Super-White setting). I'm also 100% sure that black is at level 16 in RGB Limited mode (for BD/DVDs and for games/XMB) and that black is at level 0 in RGB Full.

So I still can't see how you can use the same brightness level on your TV with the settings you posted, unless your PS3 is using RGB for BD/DVDs. To be sure what format is being using you would need your TV to tell you what it's receiving (not sure if your TV can do that). "Automatic" on the PS3 doesn't necessarily mean YCbCr for BD/DVDs, it means it negotiates the best format with your TV (and since you forced your TV to RGB Full mode maybe it knows that?). And I don't think you can conclude anything from the fact the RGB Full range option is greyed out in AV settings.

Just trying to get the facts straight to help anyone who's still reading this :)

hdmi-sony

04-20-08, 12:57 PM

Hello,

I just wanted to let everyone know that you all have helped me gain a wealth of knowledge on this board. This is only my 2nd post on avsforum and after reading well over a thousand posts I bought my PS3 about 5 months ago and couldn't be happier. I got it with the 10 free movie at walmart deal around the holidays. I use mine for mostly BD's and as a music server and have only bought one game for it so far. It was probably the best tech purchase i've ever made. My setup is only 5.1 but everything on it looks and sounds phenominal. My basic setup is this...not the greatest but i'm happy with it...

PS3 80gb
Onkyo TX-SR601 (no HDMI)
Sony KDS-55A2020 HDTV
Polk Audio Center and rear surrounds
Technics Front Speakers (very, very old)
HTPC

Thanks again to all!! ;)

bplewis24

04-20-08, 01:05 PM

I'm 100% sure that when the PS3 uses YCbCr for BD/DVDs, black is at level 16 (it cannot be changed, even with the Super-White setting). I'm also 100% sure that black is at level 16 in RGB Limited mode (for BD/DVDs and for games/XMB) and that black is at level 0 in RGB Full.

Agreed.

So I still can't see how you can use the same brightness level on your TV with the settings you posted, unless your PS3 is using RGB for BD/DVDs.

I'm not sure how you're drawing this conclusion.

To be sure what format is being using you would need your TV to tell you what it's receiving (not sure if your TV can do that). "Automatic" on the PS3 doesn't necessarily mean YCbCr for BD/DVDs, it means it negotiates the best format with your TV (and since you forced your TV to RGB Full mode maybe it knows that?). And I don't think you can conclude anything from the fact the RGB Full range option is greyed out in AV settings.

Why can't you? It's already generally accepted that the PS3 is going to send YCbCr if your Video Output Format is set to "Automatic". I don't think it is negotiating anything with your TV. The fact that the RGB option is grayed out in that circumstance is just confirmation of that. Not trying to be argumentative here, but do you have a PS3? If so, put in a DVD or BD and put the Video output on "automatic." You'll notice the Super-white setting can be toggled while the RGB full setting cannot. Then if you change video output format to "ycbcr" it's the same for the other two settings. If you change the video output settings to "RGB" then Superwhite is now grayed out and the RGB full setting cannot be toggled to "full" or "limited."

Also, I can confirm this with an SD Calibration disc as well as HQV and DVE blu-ray discs. When Automatic is selected the super-white setting is enabled and YCbCr is used by default and it passes BTB and Above White. When it's forced to RGB it will not.

Lastly, I need to clarify what I meant by forcing my TV to accept RGB full meant. All I was saying is that there is a setting for RGB Dynamic Range for each input. If the TV is receving RGB then that setting takes effect and it determines whether it will allow full or limited. But it has no bearing when receiving a YCbCr signal from the PS3. So it's not really forcing the PS3 to prioritize the RGB colorspace. It's simply telling the TV what range the RGB colorspace is in when it detects it.

Brandon

eldithomaso

04-20-08, 01:19 PM

It's my understanding DVDs and BDs are essentially recorded in YCbCr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YCrCb) format while games are in RGB. For RGB, PC and computer monitors when operating in 24-bit mode (8-bits per color) use a digital value of 0 (zero) for black and 255 for white. However for video the standard (for either RGB or YCbCr) is to use a value of 16 for black and 235 for white. When playing BDs or DVDs on a HDTV that takes an RGB input that is calibrated for video the correct PS3 setting is "RGB Limited" since that conforms the 16-235 range for black to white. The "RGB Full" setting on the PS3 is intended for use on displays calibrated as a computer monitor. When playing BD or DVD in the case where the PS3 is set to RGB Full the PS3 remaps the 16-235 range into 0-255 range and this could cause some small errors in the resulting gray scale steps. So for playback of DVDs and BDs generally YCbCr should be the first choice if the HDTV display device supports it then RGB Limited would be the second choice.

So for those of us using HDMI displays that don't offer HDMI FULL/Limited selections (I for example have a Panasonic PT-AE900U connected via HDMI) I don't know if I am using RGB or YCbCr.
1) I know the projector takes 1080p24sf listed under its YCbCr display options
2) I know that games require a 20+ brightness bump (i.e. Rainbow Six Vegas) to be playable using the RGB full setting
3) I have the PS3 set to Automatic output and Superwhite ON

....so am I correct to postulate that black crush results when the PS3 is set for FULL since the PS3 is assuming it would be set to RGB Limited on video games?

By the logic of the last few posts. I should be using RGB limited for games and switch to RGB Full for DVD/Blu-Rays? Or does RGB limited (with Superwhite on?) work for both formats so long as auto is selected in the options?

BFJ 96

04-20-08, 01:20 PM

Very good in-depth info on RGB/YCbCr

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/calibrate-your-system/hdmi-black-levels-xvycc-rgb

bplewis24

04-20-08, 01:22 PM

By the logic of the last few posts. I should be using RGB limited for games and switch to RGB Full for DVD/Blu-Rays? Or does RGB limited (with Superwhite on?) work for both formats so long as auto is selected in the options?

No, you should use RGB Limited and set Video Output Format to "automatic" so that it won't matter what RGB is set to when watching a BD/DVD. It will default to YCbCr when watching a BD/DVD and RGB will be irrelevant.

Brandon

eldithomaso

04-20-08, 01:24 PM

No, you should use RGB Limited and set Video Output Format to "automatic" so that it won't matter what RGB is set to when watching a BD/DVD. It will default to YCbCr when watching a BD/DVD and RGB will be irrelevant.

Brandon

Brandon:

Thanks for the quick reply. Following this logic if I purchase a set up disk (Blu-Ray) and calibrate for the BD/DVD at Limited then am I going to lose Blacker than Black or Whiter than White (for display calibration purposes)?

cappyxavs

04-20-08, 01:39 PM

I would hope so for $1600 more!! :eek:

yeah you're right about that:)

he still hasn't learned yet that the high priced ecentric players are really just not worth it. but too each his own. he still swears by monster cable and considers monoprice putting a weak link between the sources....

however when i comment about the analog tier of cable he currently uses, no surround avr of any type and of all darn things a dial up modem there is nothing to be said....just silence

Geronimo.USMC

04-20-08, 01:58 PM

Well here are my PS3 settings:
* BD/DVD Settings, BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) ---Automatic
* Display Settings, RGB Full Range (HDMI) --- Full
* Display Settings, YCbCr Super-White (HDMI) --- On

Samsung 5281F settings:
HDMI Black level - Low
Color Space - Auto

*Correction: DVD blacks are fine at the same brightness setting as my Blu ray which is a calibrated default of 50.
Could you guys test that the downloaded PSN trailers and pictures are crushed in black on normal settings(IRONMAN is a great example, plenty of black), but Blu rays are perfect. My tv is calibrated using the Sony images with BTB. Heck, I even used Ratatouille's calibration menu and all is perfect with Blu ray and DVD playback and in PS3 games. I'm just crushing blacks in the trailers and pictures I uploaded into it along with PS2 games.

bplewis24

04-20-08, 02:00 PM

Brandon:

Thanks for the quick reply. Following this logic if I purchase a set up disk (Blu-Ray) and calibrate for the BD/DVD at Limited then am I going to lose Blacker than Black or Whiter than White (for display calibration purposes)?

No you will not lose it because "limited" only refers to the RGB setting and when you watch a BD/DVD you will be using the YCbCr colorspace settings (as long as your Video Output Format setting on the PS3 is set to "Automatic" or "YPb/Cb Pr/Cr" and the Super-White setting is turned to "On").

In short this is what most folks with newer HDMI displays should be going for:

BD/DVD Settings, BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) ---Automatic
Display Settings, RGB Full Range (HDMI) --- Limited
Display Settings, YCbCr Super-White (HDMI) --- On

And then calibrate your TV set from there using some type of calibration disk.

Brandon

bplewis24

04-20-08, 02:03 PM

Well here are my PS3 settings:
* BD/DVD Settings, BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) ---Automatic
* Display Settings, RGB Full Range (HDMI) --- Full
* Display Settings, YCbCr Super-White (HDMI) --- On

Samsung 5281F settings:
HDMI Black level - Low
Color Space - Auto

I apologize for infusing XBR4 talk into this discussion but for whatever reason I thought you had an XBR4. What does HDMI black level refer to? You may want to look it up in the manual. I can pretty much bet that if the alternate option is "enhanced" or "expanded" that you'll want to change it. Also what are the other options in the "Color Space" setting?

Lastly, you may want to ask these questions in the Sammy 81 thread since guys over there are likely to be familiar with your issue and the proper settings.

Brandon

crunchyfrogs

04-20-08, 02:09 PM

and perhaps a shorter battery life? ;)

Kind of annoying controllers won't charge when the system is off...

It is annoying...just discovered this the other night :(

kriktsemaj99

04-20-08, 02:12 PM

So I still can't see how you can use the same brightness level on your TV with the settings you posted, unless your PS3 is using RGB for BD/DVDs.
I'm not sure how you're drawing this conclusion.

Well with RGB set to Full Range and with BD/DVD using YCbCr, black would be sent to the same TV input at level 0 for games/XMB and at level 16 for movies. The only way you could keep the same settings on your TV for both would be if the TV automatically compensated for the different black level. Most TVs wouldn't, but it sounds like yours may be doing that because of the special setting it has for RGB full range. So maybe that explains why I had a hard time understanding your observations. I have a PS3 and I've been through all the settings many times to understand exactly what each one does, and in order to use just one brightness setting on my display I need to use RGB Limited if I calibrate using a DVD in YCbCr mode.

Why can't you? It's already generally accepted that the PS3 is going to send YCbCr if your Video Output Format is set to "Automatic". I don't think it is negotiating anything with your TV.

The description in the PS3 manual for Automatic is "Set to automatically select the best video output format for the TV in use." So it shouldn't choose YCbCr if your TV doesn't support it for some reason.

I think I'm happy with your explanation of your system now, but I guess we still didn't answer the original question :)

kriktsemaj99

04-20-08, 02:15 PM

Well here are my PS3 settings:
* BD/DVD Settings, BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) ---Automatic
* Display Settings, RGB Full Range (HDMI) --- Full
* Display Settings, YCbCr Super-White (HDMI) --- On

Samsung 5281F settings:
HDMI Black level - Low
Color Space - Auto

Could you guys test that the downloaded PSN trailers and pictures are crushed in black on normal settings(IRONMAN is a great example, plenty of black), but Blu rays are perfect. My tv is calibrated using the Sony images with BTB. Heck, I even used Ratatouille's calibration menu and all is perfect with Blu ray playback and in PS3 games. I'm just crushing blacks in the trailers and pictures I uploaded into it along with PS2 games.
Try changing RGB to Limited and see if that allows you to use one brightness setting for everything.

bplewis24

04-20-08, 02:34 PM

*Correction: DVD blacks are fine at the same brightness setting as my Blu ray which is a calibrated default of 50.
Could you guys test that the downloaded PSN trailers and pictures are crushed in black on normal settings(IRONMAN is a great example, plenty of black), but Blu rays are perfect. My tv is calibrated using the Sony images with BTB. Heck, I even used Ratatouille's calibration menu and all is perfect with Blu ray and DVD playback and in PS3 games. I'm just crushing blacks in the trailers and pictures I uploaded into it along with PS2 games.

krik is right, set RGB to limited and I think your problems will be solved.

Brandon

rotto

04-20-08, 02:36 PM

I recently purchased a PS3 primarily for Blu Ray movie watching...Couple of quick questions - 1) I have looked and can't seem to find this functionality - Does the PS3 allow you to "goto" specific times in a movie i.e. enter 01:30:25 to get to that spot in the movie? 2) Had a couple of odd experiences during playback - the TV went blank seemed to shut off - then turn back on again momentarily and then continue on where the movie left off - anyone else experience this and figure out what was going on? My TV is the Samsung 46" 650.

kriktsemaj99

04-20-08, 03:21 PM

One more thing about AV settings... the importance of turning on Super-White to pass blacker-than-black and why it can be useful for more than just calibrating. I posted some screen shots here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13682805#post13682805 from a movie that was (incorrectly) authored with black at level 0 (or close to it). With Super-White Off you're missing all the shadow detail in this movie no matter how much you raise your TV's brightness.

P7M8

04-20-08, 03:22 PM

JVi

04-20-08, 03:57 PM

eldithomaso

04-20-08, 04:07 PM

What audio mode should I set on the PS3 for Digital Optical into a Sony STR-V333ES?

I'm not sure what audio mode makes the blue light on the front of the receiver come on but while playing Blu-Ray the light is off. I'm not sure what audio settings I should use on the PS3.

Thanks

V333ES - older non HDMI receiver right?

You have to use Bitstream (over Toslink) for all audio formats. Select Bitstream for all options on the PS3 audio menu.

P7M8

04-20-08, 04:15 PM

V333ES - older non HDMI receiver right?

You have to use Bitstream (over Toslink) for all audio formats. Select Bitstream for all options on the PS3 audio menu.

Yes. That works. Thanks!

David Aiken

04-20-08, 04:26 PM

it is complications such as this that send the older generation into hiding from the HD change.

My father in law finally got a hd tv however he will not bother with a surround unit or b) player. he is looking into a hd upgrade with his cable company. it is mostly fear of technology and comfort with a known working method that will dictate his buying preferences.

Hmmmmmmmmmm…

Getting a little age-ist here, I think. I assume I'm in the older generation since I'm 60 and I just bought a PS3 as a BD movie player. I also finally moved into surround sound a little under 2 years ago.

In my experience, both surround sound and HD video are much more involved and complicated to come to grips with than stereo and standard def TV ever were. There's certainly a lot more to consider when it comes to getting decent sound out of 6 or 7 or 8 channels than from 2, and getting good video performance also takes a bit of effort before you learn how to do it well. Part of the problem, however, relates simply to incredibly bad explanations in manuals, and I think nearly all AV gear is prone to this.

In fact nearly everyone seems to have problems. Take a look at the number of people raising issues on boards like this, and they aren't all from the older generation. I suspect most are not from the older generation.

I wonder how much of the issue is "fear of technology" and how much stems from a decision to give up on trying to use products that come with manuals that don't explain anything at all and require you to go hunting on line to find the information you want, or which come with manuals that tell you what all of the controls do but don't tell you when you would want to use a given control and when you wouldn't, and which fail to approach the use of the product from a basic "if you want to get this result, these are the steps to take" approach. Many of the on-line manuals suffer from these problems also.

It makes sense to ask very seriously whether the reason there aren't so many questions asked here and elsewhere is because the answers to the questions which people are really concerned about simply aren't easily and clearly available in the user information supplied with the product. After a while, and a few products, you start to know enough to be able to puzzle it out for yourself but it seems to me that the learning curve for newbies is overly demanding regardless of their age and the reason for that is simply incredibly poor quality manuals in many cases, including the PS3 to some degree.

cappyxavs

04-20-08, 04:54 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmm…

Getting a little age-ist here, I think. I assume I'm in the older generation since I'm 60 and I just bought a PS3 as a BD movie player. I also finally moved into surround sound a little under 2 years ago.

In my experience, both surround sound and HD video are much more involved and complicated to come to grips with than stereo and standard def TV ever were. There's certainly a lot more to consider when it comes to getting decent sound out of 6 or 7 or 8 channels than from 2, and getting good video performance also takes a bit of effort before you learn how to do it well. Part of the problem, however, relates simply to incredibly bad explanations in manuals, and I think nearly all AV gear is prone to this.

In fact nearly everyone seems to have problems. Take a look at the number of people raising issues on boards like this, and they aren't all from the older generation. I suspect most are not from the older generation.

I wonder how much of the issue is "fear of technology" and how much stems from a decision to give up on trying to use products that come with manuals that don't explain anything at all and require you to go hunting on line to find the information you want, or which come with manuals that tell you what all of the controls do but don't tell you when you would want to use a given control and when you wouldn't, and which fail to approach the use of the product from a basic "if you want to get this result, these are the steps to take" approach. Many of the on-line manuals suffer from these problems also.

It makes sense to ask very seriously whether the reason there aren't so many questions asked here and elsewhere is because the answers to the questions which people are really concerned about simply aren't easily and clearly available in the user information supplied with the product. After a while, and a few products, you start to know enough to be able to puzzle it out for yourself but it seems to me that the learning curve for newbies is overly demanding regardless of their age and the reason for that is simply incredibly poor quality manuals in many cases, including the PS3 to some degree.
Actualy it comes down to simplicity,
My father in law..
37" LG lcd HDTV
vhs
digital cable
dvd player (non progressive, non up converting)

my father:
27" sony crt tv
analog cable
that's it... that's all there will ever be.

my uncle:
big screen tv (not sure of size)
multi amp surround sound
directv hd

is it all age related.. no
does it have something to do with a past generation that does not require, want, need or care about what's changing?.. absolutly.
are some an exception?.. absolutly
is it the majority.. NO
who is it?.. the percentage of that generation that does not fear change but embraces it with a want to learn and be a part of something new. a no fear part of the older gen.

i my self am 43 and love new tech and want to learn and adapt to all that is new i just have a love for it and have loved it since i was 12 or so sticking a headphone plug into our old philco ford tv modifying it and trying to make that new MTV play over the stereo in Mono while my parents said "what are you crazy?" or it could have been when i was 8-10 making my jvc rc838jw2 into something it was never ment to be:)

is it age.. NO
is it fear.. possibly

i see a lot of younger gen not wanting nor caring about technology and that's fine but for me it's always been a hoby.

it's not a fear of the instruction manual it's a fear of the unknown and a "no need or want for it mentality"

rotto

04-20-08, 07:20 PM

Yes PS3 is connected via HDMI. Is this going to be an ongoing issue?

David Aiken

04-20-08, 08:17 PM

Actualy it comes down to simplicity,

<snip>

it's not a fear of the instruction manual it's a fear of the unknown and a "no need or want for it mentality"

Simplicity is definitely a virtue and a lot of this stuff should be simpler, at the very least simpler to understand and, preferably, also simpler to use. I don't think that's an unreasonable or impossible ask.

As for the "no need or want for it mentality", I think we're all prone to that. There's no reason to need or want something if you don't or can't perceive it offering you some benefit. I actually think you have to try some things first before you can appreciate them. I was that way with surround sound after nearly 40 years of running stereo only. I had a 7.1 channel Denon AVR that I purchased for HDMI switching and the Audyssey room EQ function running with 2 main speakers and a sub and one day I hooked up a spare pair of very old speakers for surrounds just as a joke over Christmas 15 months ago, expecting to be left thinking after a few hours that surround was just a gimmick. The day after New Year I was at the shop buying a matching pair of speakers to the front speakers for use as surrounds and following that up shortly by a centre speaker as well, and then expanding to 6.1. I had no use or need for surround sound until I actually spent some time listening to it on my own and in my own room.

The combination of exposure and simplicity would change an awful lot of minds.

[/quote]

04-20-08, 08:26 PM

I believe the PS3 is the epitome of simplicity. Right out of the box it does what it's supposed to. A couple of settings might make it work for you even better. That's it, done. The functonality is amazing, all for an incredibly low price.

Even my older Mother, who 20 years ago was the poster child for a VCR with the perpetual 12:00 flashing, could use the PS3 to watch movies without getting confused.

cappyxavs

04-20-08, 08:57 PM

Simplicity is definitely a virtue and a lot of this stuff should be simpler, at the very least simpler to understand and, preferably, also simpler to use. I don't think that's an unreasonable or impossible ask.

As for the "no need or want for it mentality", I think we're all prone to that. There's no reason to need or want something if you don't or can't perceive it offering you some benefit. I actually think you have to try some things first before you can appreciate them. I was that way with surround sound after nearly 40 years of running stereo only. I had a 7.1 channel Denon AVR that I purchased for HDMI switching and the Audyssey room EQ function running with 2 main speakers and a sub and one day I hooked up a spare pair of very old speakers for surrounds just as a joke over Christmas 15 months ago, expecting to be left thinking after a few hours that surround was just a gimmick. The day after New Year I was at the shop buying a matching pair of speakers to the front speakers for use as surrounds and following that up shortly by a centre speaker as well, and then expanding to 6.1. I had no use or need for surround sound until I actually spent some time listening to it on my own and in my own room.

The combination of exposure and simplicity would change an awful lot of minds.

ahhhhh you got the fever:)
i got this last year. it started with a a2 and i added it to my yammy 2095. from there i got the panny 58" plasma then the b10a followed by the onkyo 805 then i traded up my b10a for a bd30 and traded up my infinity rs5 series speakers i had for 10 years for new beta50, 360 which i could bi-amp with the 805 followed by a nice down-stuffed leather sofa, pair of ottomans and char and a half..... from what started as adding one next gen component turned into a whole HT makeover:)
when i added the bd10 i immediatly knew the winning format would be B) from there i added the two ps3 units to our home office HDTVS.

there is one small part of the equasion we did not mention yet..

it not only is the fear of complex technology it is more importantly the lack of care... in other words my parents and father in law simply don't care..

junaluska

04-21-08, 08:17 AM

it not only is the fear of complex technology it is more importantly the lack of care... in other words my parents and father in law simply don't care..

I am approaching 71. I love it! Far too many Heathkits. I suspect a number of "US" rather enjoy the challenge of gettin' it to work! :)

roguedog

04-21-08, 10:11 AM

rdclark

04-21-08, 10:23 AM

kriktsemaj99

04-21-08, 11:34 AM

i know that the ps3 is great for blu ray but how is as an upconverter? i've got quite a few dvds that aren't out on br yet.

i've heard reviews that it's "soft." i'm not sure what that means but the tone didn't sound so please with it. course this may have been correctd or improved with fw along the way...

The PS3 is a good upconverter, however the upscaling algorithm was clearly changed in the 2.2 FW update. Some of us think it was a step backwards because the result seems to be softer than it was before (there's less noise but also less detail in faces etc.). Others think it is an improvement, but perhaps they value noise reduction more than detail (or they may be watching on smaller screens).

That's the problem with doing everything in software and not having the ability to go back to a previous firmware version --- Sony can give us new features and they can also take things away. The new upscaling has reduced the processor load, but they may have done this by using a simpler algorithm rather than just by optimizing the code.

maxdog03

04-21-08, 12:01 PM

[QUOTE=kriktsemaj99;13692971]The PS3 is a good upconverter, however the upscaling algorithm was clearly changed in the 2.2 FW update. Some of us think it was a step backwards because the result seems to be softer than it was before (there's less noise but also less detail in faces etc.). Others think it is an improvement, but perhaps they value noise reduction more than detail (or they may be watching on smaller screens).

QUOTE]

In my experience and doing a side by side comparison of an updated PS3 to one that wasn't updated, I found the update to add a slight picture improvement in detail and less noise. I didn't see enough that it would be obvious without doing the side by side test though. I think our mind and eyes tend to play subtle tricks on us.

As for the PS3 doing up conversion, I have found it to be a pleasant surprise and a much better picture than my Denon progressive scan picture. Are there better? sure, but the PS3 is more than adequate in that area to satisfy the majority.

kdmann

04-21-08, 01:44 PM

[/quote]

04-21-08, 01:51 PM

When running the automatic audio setup on the PS3 when it was connected to my old receiver, it worked perfectly. It excluded all the 7.1 options (since the receiver was set to 5.1) as well as some of the frequencies that the receiver apparently couldn't handle.

Today I hooked up an Onkyo 605 for the first time and ran the automatic setup. For some reason, even tho the receiver is set to 5.1, the PS3 is selecting all the options including the 7.1's.

I checked the receiver many times, everything is set correctly. Anyone know why the PS3 is failing to set itself correctly?

I did it manually, but I am just curious.

Jay_Davis

04-21-08, 01:58 PM

Well I tried. Here is my question to SONY:

Will the new 80GB PS3 (due on 28-Jun) support Bitstreaming of lossless HD audio over HDMI?

Here is their response:(:
Sony Style is not able to disclose upcoming product releases or related information upon request. As soon as announcements regarding new product introductions are made available to the public, they can be found at http://news.sel.sony.com/homepage.adp. You may also visit http://www.sonystyle.com, where the latest product information is often featured on the homepage.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Can we give it up already? It not going top bitstream them, period. The would have to switch to a different HDMI chip which wouldn't be done until they were doing a new version of the hardware. Plus, every new version of hardware they've done so far has had the objective of reducing costs. Upgrading to the HDMI chip will add cost, so it's not going to happen anytime soon.

Besides, IT DOESN'T MATTER! Not only don't you lose anything by having the PS3 decode the audio you gain the ability to mix in special features audio to the lossless audio stream.

wabkab

04-21-08, 02:13 PM

Well I tried. Here is my question to SONY:

Will the new 80GB PS3 (due on 28-Jun) support Bitstreaming of lossless HD audio over HDMI?

Here is their response:(:
Sony Style is not able to disclose upcoming product releases or related information upon request. As soon as announcements regarding new product introductions are made available to the public, they can be found at http://news.sel.sony.com/homepage.adp. You may also visit http://www.sonystyle.com, where the latest product information is often featured on the homepage.

I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Where did you get the 28-June date. Sony style just says "June 2008". I was hoping that the release would coincide with the new game in the bundle---my son reports game available on June 12 (forgive me, I'm not a gamer--yet?). This would then make this my Father's day present from my FLY!

cyberbri

04-21-08, 02:57 PM

;13694372']When running the automatic audio setup on the PS3 when it was connected to my old receiver, it worked perfectly. It excluded all the 7.1 options (since the receiver was set to 5.1) as well as some of the frequencies that the receiver apparently couldn't handle.

Today I hooked up an Onkyo 605 for the first time and ran the automatic setup. For some reason, even tho the receiver is set to 5.1, the PS3 is selecting all the options including the 7.1's.

I checked the receiver many times, everything is set correctly. Anyone know why the PS3 is failing to set itself correctly?

I did it manually, but I am just curious.

If the receiver can take 7.1 input, then the PS3 isn't doing anything wrong. You can uncheck 7.1 in the PS3, and the PS3 should put the sound from the extra 2 channels into the surround channels. If you leave it checked, any 7.1 signals will go to the receiver as-is, and it will be up to the receiver to re-route any sound from there to down-mix into 5.1. However if your receiver doesn't downmix, you will lose that sound. Sorry, I don't know how your receiver handles 7.1 signals when set for only 5.1.

[/quote]

04-21-08, 02:57 PM

Can we give it up already? It not going top bitstream them, period. The would have to switch to~
Wait, what?

kdmann

04-21-08, 02:59 PM

wabkab

04-21-08, 03:02 PM

Sorry. my eyes must have mergerd the 2 and 8 from 2008 to get the 28th. Getting old sucks!

Tell me about it. Glad to hear that early June may be an option--maybe us dads can petition Sony.;)

Chesskid1

04-21-08, 03:53 PM

[/quote]

04-21-08, 03:56 PM

hey guys, just one question. my tv can do 1080p and i have display settings as 720p, 1080i, and 1080p (basically default), should i just make the ps3 only output 1080p or should i just let it keep it at what it's at? thanks.

I originally unchecked 720p and 1080i since my TV did 1080p like yours. When I went to play a video game it ran in 480. When I asked about it here I was told that since the game was only 720p and the PS3 won't upconvert it, that it plays in 480. So now I keep 720p and 1080p checked.

kriktsemaj99

04-21-08, 04:54 PM

In my experience and doing a side by side comparison of an updated PS3 to one that wasn't updated, I found the update to add a slight picture improvement in detail and less noise. I didn't see enough that it would be obvious without doing the side by side test though. I think our mind and eyes tend to play subtle tricks on us.

As for the PS3 doing up conversion, I have found it to be a pleasant surprise and a much better picture than my Denon progressive scan picture. Are there better? sure, but the PS3 is more than adequate in that area to satisfy the majority.
I wish I had another one still at version 2.1 to compare with. It's still good with 2.2, but after updating I immediately noticed that close ups of faces didn't show quite the same amount of texture in the skin (this is on a 100" screen so it's pretty easy to see small changes). I was also watching the same material as before the update, and I have all noise filters turned off.

The PS3 upscaling will definitely satisfy most people, but Sony did something to reduce the processor load in 2.2 and I doubt it was just optimizing their code.

chasbox

04-21-08, 05:03 PM

Where did you get the 28-June date. Sony style just says "June 2008". I was hoping that the release would coincide with the new game in the bundle---my son reports game available on June 12 (forgive me, I'm not a gamer--yet?). This would then make this my Father's day present from my FLY!
Amazon has a June 30 release date. I couldn't get the link to work. I did some C+P

PLAYSTATION 3 Metal Gear Solid 4 Pack
Other products by Sony
Platform: PLAYSTATION 3 | ESRB Rating: Mature
Product Features

Metal Gear Solid 4 game
Dualshock 3 Controller
Voucher for free downloadable Pain game
Blu-ray player
80GB HDD

Product Details

Shipping: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S. and to APO/FPO addresses. For APO/FPO shipments, please check with the manufacturer regarding warranty and support issues.
ASIN: B0014WJ78E
Media: Video Game
Release Date: June 30, 2008

grommet

04-21-08, 05:03 PM

That is technically true only for DTS. TrueHD does not have a core stream. Instead there may be a hidden DD5.1 Track or it fail back to DD5.1 if there is an official DD5.1 Track.

ProtheusThe TrueHD "hidden" Dolby Digital track is mandatory for TrueHD on Blu-Ray... so, my statement stands. TrueHD is 100% backwards compatible and can be the default audio without grief, just like DTS-HD MA. Selecting TrueHD in an environment where it's not supported will play Dolby Digital.

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04-21-08, 05:50 PM

The Spiderman 3 disc that came with my PS3 has both TrueHD and uncompressed PCM. Why is that? Why would they include both if they are exactly the same as far sound output?

UxiSXRD

04-21-08, 06:07 PM

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04-21-08, 06:12 PM

To satisfy those of us that want PCM tracks. :) Or possibly to fill up the empty space on the disc. Doesn't "cost" them anything to put a PCM track and I should hope every studio does that when there's space and bandwidth enough for it.

On the other hand, why did they put a TrueHD track on the disc? Is it just so they can advertise "DOLBY TRUEHD!!" and hopefully get more buyers?

bplewis24

04-21-08, 06:16 PM

To satisfy those of us that want PCM tracks. :) Or possibly to fill up the empty space on the disc. Doesn't "cost" them anything to put a PCM track and I should hope every studio does that when there's space and bandwidth enough for it.

I imagine that not every stand alone can decode Dolby TrueHD, especially the earlier ones. I would also guess that of those that cannot decode Dolby TrueHD at least some of them have the ability to output uncompressed PCM to a HDMI 1.1 capable receiver or via analog outs.

Brandon

wabkab

04-21-08, 06:17 PM

Amazon has a June 30 release date. I couldn't get the link to work. I did some C+P

PLAYSTATION 3 Metal Gear Solid 4 Pack
Other products by Sony
Platform: PLAYSTATION 3 | ESRB Rating: Mature
Product Features

Metal Gear Solid 4 game
Dualshock 3 Controller
Voucher for free downloadable Pain game
Blu-ray player
80GB HDD

Product Details

Shipping: Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S. and to APO/FPO addresses. For APO/FPO shipments, please check with the manufacturer regarding warranty and support issues.
ASIN: B0014WJ78E
Media: Video Game
Release Date: June 30, 2008

SonyStyle info does say this new release 80 gig still has BC and SACD..:)

grommet

04-21-08, 06:37 PM

;13696684']On the other hand, why did they put a TrueHD track on the disc? Is it just so they can advertise "DOLBY TRUEHD!!" and hopefully get more buyers?The TrueHD track is also 24-bit on Spiderman 3, while the PCM track is 16-bit. (So, TrueHD was fed a "better" source and occupies less space on the disc.) Can you tell the difference? Unlikely.

Sony is migrating away from PCM to TrueHD, so consider this one a "transitional" title that tried to stay compatible with the non-TrueHD folks out there.

JDEATON

04-21-08, 07:10 PM

Perhaps this has been addressed before, but… For what ever reason, when I attempt to view this website (AVS Forum) using the web browser in my PS3, I cannot open individual threads. When I click on a thread the PS3 asks me if I want to run the plug-in, I click yes and then I’m returned to the topics page instead of the individual thread. So far this is a problem only on the AVS Forum site.

When I go other forums, DBSTalk for example, I can access any and all threads with no problem

What am I doing wrong?

Buckeye911

04-21-08, 07:16 PM

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04-21-08, 07:32 PM

I gave up on that browser long ago, it sucks too bad to even try to use it.

I thought it was supposed to get better 2 upgrades ago? I haven't noticed it.

I sit 7 foot from my 56" TV. I have perfect vision. Yet I still find the text to be a little small. I tried to make the font bigger, but it was already on the biggest setting...

bori

04-21-08, 07:37 PM

;13696532']The Spiderman 3 disc that came with my PS3 has both TrueHD and uncompressed PCM. Why is that? Why would they include both if they are exactly the same as far sound output?

So does the movie 300. And I just tested both and the PCM track sounded better than the TRUE HD track. Let me know what you think.

zapper

04-21-08, 07:39 PM

Let's not forget that it is suppose to be a computer. :eek::eek:

[/quote]

04-21-08, 07:45 PM

So does the movie 300. And I just tested both and the PCM track sounded better than the TRUE HD track. Let me know what you think.

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:p;)

I'm sure I won't be able to hear any difference myself, my system is on the lower end.

dmorse4765

04-21-08, 07:47 PM

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04-21-08, 07:51 PM

I also watched 300 saturday night. PCM souned much better than True HD . PCM was also about 5db louder. After all the talk for several months I expected something with at least a slight improvemnt.

dick

Did it really sound BETTER? Or was it just LOUDER?

If you used an SPL meter and matched the volume of each track, would it still sound BETTER?

patnshan

04-21-08, 07:53 PM

;13697460']Did it really sound BETTER? Or was it just LOUDER?

If you used an SPL meter and matched the volume of each track, would it still sound BETTER?

I was just going to say this;) Many believe louder is better. I don't mind turning the volume knob up a bit to listen to the perfection of True HD:D

Pat

dmorse4765

04-21-08, 08:29 PM

In fact I did use the spl meter and adjusted accordingly. true HD to me sounded more muffled and less range than pcm. Also the bass was much softer than with pcm.

roguedog

04-22-08, 02:01 AM

David Aiken

04-22-08, 03:27 AM

Thanks to all who answered my question about upconverting. That's a relief.

My next question is should I wait to get a PS3? I think the price will drop but will there be some sort of improved features or is it just a price drop? I think my POS Samsung player is acting up but I can probably hold on or buy a temp upconverting system if you all think it's worth the wait...

Should you wait? Pick a day in the future, any day, and the question will still be the same: "Should I wait?" You have a choice between stopping waiting at some point and waiting for the rest of your life.

Improved features are always coming. Price drops are always coming. It's definitely worth waiting if you know there's a new feature coming that you absolutely have to have or if the lower price has been firmly announced and the date is impending. Apart from those clear cut situations it's a matter of whether you think the pleasure you get by buying now and enjoying the current model for as long as it takes for the new features to arrive or the price to drop is worth the extra price or lack of features. That's your call but whenever a new model comes out, people are going to start waiting for new features and/or a price drop.

There's never a perfect time to buy when all of the features are there and the price is at rock bottom unless the product is past it's use by date. If you want something that has all the features it's going to get and is at the lowest price it's going to get to, buy a Toshiba HD DVD player. That now meets those criteria.

kdmann

04-22-08, 07:44 AM

Will Munshower

04-22-08, 08:29 AM

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Mind Voyager

04-22-08, 09:43 AM

My next question is should I wait to get a PS3? I think the price will drop but will there be some sort of improved features or is it just a price drop? I think my POS Samsung player is acting up but I can probably hold on or buy a temp upconverting system if you all think it's worth the wait...
There is a known price drop on the 80 gig bundle (which as near as I can tell isn't even available right now). If you want to game, the 80 gig might be worth waiting until June for. The current 40 gig unit has the old Six-Axis controller, and can not play PS2 games. The 80 gig unit in June will come with the newer DualShock3 controller which brings back the rumble feature. The 80 gig unit also is able to play some (most?) PS2 games. If you're going to use the PS3 mainly as a blu-ray player, or don't care about either of these features, I say get it now.

As to the bigger "wait" question, I don't think I can give a better answer than David Aiken did. We could speculate, but that's all it would be. Will the PS3 get cheaper? Certainly. Will they add more things? Perhaps - if we look at the PS2, we'll see that they added built in IR later, made it smaller, expanded the kinds of discs it could read, made it quieter, added ethernet... etc. However - I have not seen any substantial rumors about changes in the PS3. In fact, hardware wise, it's been more of removing stuff (initial PS3 could play PS2 games because of built in hardware - next one could play some via emulation, and latest can't play them at all). I would love to see IR added, but I just don't see it happening - the initial PS2 could do IR with an add-on, the IR was just integrated later. Sony so far has been pretty resolute in their bluetooth implementation.

I would say if you can afford it now, and want it - get it. If you look at people who bought PS3s on day one and all the additinal features they now have access to, it is pretty impressive. I believe at this point that Sony will continue to add features to the PS3 via firmware, making it one of the least "oh, I should have waited" pieces of hardware out there.

Ron Yost

04-22-08, 12:41 PM

>I'm sure I won't be able to hear any difference myself, my system is on the lower end.

LOL Me too! Only, my 'problem' is also one of age...and being in too many rock-n-roll bands, back in the day. It was worth it, tho, :)

brian15100

04-22-08, 01:42 PM

Sorry if this has been covered but I am confused on the "preferred" audio setting for DVD.

My setup:
PS3 connected to Sony KDS-R60XBR1 via HDMI for the video.
PS3 connected to Sony STR-DG510 via Optical Digital for the audio. (looking at getting an Onkyo SR605 or SR705 in the near future).

I’ve read numerous places the preferred audio setting is bitstream when using the optical digital for the audio output. I don’t see where I can set this for DVDs.

Under Settings – DD/DVD Settings I see where to set BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI). (Both BD and DVD are set here.)

Under Settings – DB/DVD Settings I see where to set BD Audio Output Format (Optical Digital) (Only BD set here - nothing about DVD setting).

grommet

04-22-08, 04:05 PM

I’ve read numerous places the preferred audio setting is bitstream when using the optical digital for the audio output. I don’t see where I can set this for DVDs.

Under Settings – DD/DVD Settings I see where to set BD/DVD Audio Output Format (HDMI). (Both BD and DVD are set here.)

Under Settings – DB/DVD Settings I see where to set BD Audio Output Format (Optical Digital) (Only BD set here - nothing about DVD setting).Brian, what is your problem? Are you not getting Dolby Digital & DTS output to your receiver from DVDs?

The later setting might also apply to DVD, but if not user configurable... it'll likely send bitstream and not decode to 2-channel PCM for DVD when using optical.

brian15100

04-22-08, 06:17 PM

Brian, what is your problem? Are you not getting Dolby Digital & DTS output to your receiver from DVDs?

The later setting might also apply to DVD, but if not user configurable... it'll likely send bitstream and not decode to 2-channel PCM for DVD when using optical.

Thanks for the reply. I don't have a problem, just trying to understand. I am getting Dolby Digital to the receiver via optical. Just not sure why it's possible to configure audio for DVDs over HDMI and not over optical.

grommet

04-22-08, 06:49 PM

Thanks for the reply. I don't have a problem, just trying to understand. I am getting Dolby Digital to the receiver via optical. Just not sure why it's possible to configure audio for DVDs over HDMI and not over optical.No idea. You did test with that 2nd option set to PCM, right? And it only impacts Blu-ray optical output, and DVD continues to bitstream?

brian15100

04-22-08, 07:51 PM

No idea. You did test with that 2nd option set to PCM, right? And it only impacts Blu-ray optical output, and DVD continues to bitstream?

I'm going to have to do a lot more reading on this. I have no idea how to tell if the DVD "continues to bitstream". Thanks again.

grommet

04-22-08, 09:21 PM

I'm going to have to do a lot more reading on this. I have no idea how to tell if the DVD "continues to bitstream". Thanks again.Do you see "Dolby Digital" or "DTS" indicated on your receiver? It should "light up" somewhere. If the PS3 isn't passing DD or DTS, the PS3 would send stereo only and say "PCM" or something like that.

brian15100

04-22-08, 09:31 PM

Do you see "Dolby Digital" or "DTS" indicated on your receiver? It should "light up" somewhere. If the PS3 isn't passing DD or DTS, the PS3 would send stereo only and say "PCM" or something like that.

The receiver displays Dolby Digital 3/2.1. Thanks.

anderdea

04-23-08, 10:18 AM

Will the PS3 recognize an external Hard Drive connected to a USB port?. If so will it also recognize and play a ripped DVD from that external drive?

manikin

04-23-08, 10:23 AM

Will the PS3 recognize an external Hard Drive connected to a USB port?. If so will it also recognize and play a ripped DVD from that external drive?
FAT 32 only limited to 4gig max file size.
Streaming to the PS3 via DNLA is a better option if you have a PC or Mac.

oleus

04-23-08, 10:46 AM

i just installed the latest ps3 update - is there a way to set the GAME audio output to bitstream, or just the dvd/bd settings?

i have an onkyo 805 and have enjoyed being able to bitstream audio from my toshiba xa2, even if it was just so i could see what audio codec was being decoded in my receiver on its display. is there any reason NOT to select bitsreaming on the PS3 now?

thanks
oleus

Amnesia

04-23-08, 10:47 AM

My next question is should I wait to get a PS3? I think the price will drop but will there be some sort of improved features or is it just a price drop?There are rumors that there will be a new model with smaller chips, though I seriously doubt that there will be any user-noticeable feature changes (other than running cooler and consuming less energy).

bplewis24

04-23-08, 10:49 AM

This thread has slowed down to a crawl lately. What could possibly be the reason for that? ;)

Brandon

zeepackman

04-23-08, 11:05 AM

Because it's all good!!!!!!!!!!!!!: :D

dakar80124

04-23-08, 11:25 AM

There is a known price drop on the 80 gig bundle (which as near as I can tell isn't even available right now). If you want to game, the 80 gig might be worth waiting until June for. The current 40 gig unit has the old Six-Axis controller, and can not play PS2 games. The 80 gig unit in June will come with the newer DualShock3 controller which brings back the rumble feature. The 80 gig unit also is able to play some (most?) PS2 games. If you're going to use the PS3 mainly as a blu-ray player, or don't care about either of these features, I say get it now.

As to the bigger "wait" question, I don't think I can give a better answer than David Aiken did. We could speculate, but that's all it would be. Will the PS3 get cheaper? Certainly. Will they add more things? Perhaps - if we look at the PS2, we'll see that they added built in IR later, made it smaller, expanded the kinds of discs it could read, made it quieter, added ethernet... etc. However - I have not seen any substantial rumors about changes in the PS3. In fact, hardware wise, it's been more of removing stuff (initial PS3 could play PS2 games because of built in hardware - next one could play some via emulation, and latest can't play them at all). I would love to see IR added, but I just don't see it happening - the initial PS2 could do IR with an add-on, the IR was just integrated later. Sony so far has been pretty resolute in their bluetooth implementation.

I would say if you can afford it now, and want it - get it. If you look at people who bought PS3s on day one and all the additinal features they now have access to, it is pretty impressive. I believe at this point that Sony will continue to add features to the PS3 via firmware, making it one of the least "oh, I should have waited" pieces of hardware out there.

Ah thanks, this was the info I was looking for. June is the earliest I will be ready to buy myself.

Krynos

04-23-08, 11:31 AM

I have a 3TB server full of my DVD collection ripped to /video_ts folders - straight DVD rips. Is there any way to play those using the PS3?

I tried TVersity as a media server, and while it could play the VOB files, it played them as independent files, not DVD's.

- Rick

anderdea

04-23-08, 11:35 AM

FAT 32 only limited to 4gig max file size.
Streaming to the PS3 via DNLA is a better option if you have a PC or Mac.

Thanks for the responce.
I have the PS3 networked (wired) so I can access the Internet but what do I have to do to get it to recognize my other computers. I tried to get it to find my main desktop when I first installed it (about 3 weeks ago) but no luck. My network is working as I have a desktop an HTPC and a Laptop (with Vista) all talking to each other.

Amnesia

04-23-08, 11:50 AM

You need to run a server program (like TVersity) on your computer. That will serve up media to your PS3.

bonham2

04-23-08, 12:05 PM

There is a known price drop on the 80 gig bundle

Really? Where have you heard this confirmed. I've actually the exact opposite on sites like 1up.com and gamepro.com. Analysts suggest that due to the pathetic state the American dollar is in, Sony cannot afford another price drop this year. There were rumors of a price drop, but never anything official or even unofficial from Sony. A price drop is possible, as analysts have been wrong before, but I wouldn't count on it in 2008. After all, everyone is saying that this is the year of the PS3.

My next question is should I wait to get a PS3? I think the price will drop but will there be some sort of improved features or is it just a price drop? I think my POS Samsung player is acting up but I can probably hold on or buy a temp upconverting system if you all think it's worth the wait...

The only upcoming new feature is the inclusion of the dualshock3 (which was mentioned already). Otherwise, there really isn't any need to wait. If you want the 80gb, you will have to wait until you can find it. You will have no problem finding a 40gb if that is what you want.

Personally, I just bought my PS3 2 weeks ago, and I went to about 10 different GameStops until I found a used 60gb model for $450. The 60gb has 4 usb ports and full ps2 and ps1 backwards compatabilty, which is important to me. With GameStop's 30 day guarantee, you really can't go wrong with buying used. The first one I bought had a grounding problem, but they replaced it for me, no problem. Normally, I try to stay away from GS, but sometimes they can be good.