how is the progress on a 'universal' remote coming?

My Harmony 720 still works great with my Nyko Blu-wave dongle. :) :confused:

I've got the IR2BT and it works very well. :)

Thanks, but no one's telling me how to eject with one button from the comfort of my bed. :)

This is to remind you that the Axiom departs this Friday the 27th. Boarding pass is required. Buy N Large looks forward to your arrival.

:D

I just got a PS3 and hooked it up to my RXV-2600 via optical cable. Grand Theft Auto (the only game I've tried so far) is 5.1 and sounds perfect. A standard DVD is also perfect 5.1.

I haven't tried an actual blue-ray disc yet, but when I try the trailers on the demo disc that comes w/ the PS3, I only get 5.0 - no LFE channel. I tried changing the supported formats and if I deselect dolby digital 5.1 everything else ends up as 2 channel stereo on the receiver. And I tried in the BR settings changing from bitstream to the other mode (sorry the name escapes me) but doing that also made me lose the 5.0 even w/ DD.

So, how do I get the 5.1 w/ the optical cable? What am I doing wrong???

I searched around and couldn't find this addressed in any existing posts. My apologies if I missed it.

Thanks.
Kidd_Funkadelic

Long time lurker,first time poster!I just finished ceiling mounting my BENQ W5000(bought from a forum sponsor) in my 21' X 27' Bat Cave. It replaced a 6100 hour NEC HT 1100 that is still plugging along in the MBR. The 5K's picture (out of the box) is excellent - calibration to follow. I am feeding it DTV and PS3 via HDMI and routing the audio through an Onkyo HT-R520. DVT 's sound is fine, however the PS3 has a sharp picture but no sound. I have attempted my limited trouble shooting by rehooking the 480p Sony PVP-NS715p to the same optical cable and find that this cable continues to work fine with the recently replaced 480p unit now relegated to the MBR. I therefore concluded that the Onkyo and the cable are not the problem. I even moved the PS3 to the LR and hooked it up to the Samsung HLS 5687 using the HDMI cable alone "all systems are go!" I then removed the HDMI leaving the Optical cable alone and immediately lost the sound. There is probabljy something simple (other than me) that will make everything work, but I am at a loss to determine what that may be. Any and all help will be appreciated.

Mac

What did you set as the audio output device on your PS3? HDMI, optical, analog RCA???

sounds like you need to go into the audio setup menu and select "optical" as the source on the PS3

Triangle button to bring up the menu. Go into the AV menu and change the setting. The first time you bring up the menu, you have to go over to the AV menu. But subsequent times during the same viewing, it will remember the last position.

OK.....but most Receivers have the Audio Input setup in their Menus , won't you also have to change the the Audio Input for that selection , i.e. DVD , such that the Receiver will now look at the Bitstream Input instead of the HDMI input ?

My Pioneer won't auto-sense , at least I don't think it will....? Hmmm something to try later .

Scott..............

Dave:

I can't find on audio options the HDMI,optical analog,it gave me HDMI yes or no. I told it no and got a black screen, went back and I told it yes and can't find where in the menu I can opt for optical.It only gives me language (English,French etc)choices. I am using the Sony bluetooth not the game controller.Where am I missing the boat?

Mac

OK.....but most Receivers have the Audio Input setup in their Menus , won't you also have to change the the Audio Input for that selection , i.e. DVD , such that the Receiver will now look at the Bitstream Input instead of the HDMI input ?

My Pioneer won't auto-sense , at least I don't think it will....? Hmmm something to try later .

Scott..............
You shouldn't need to change anything on the receiver. By changing the PCM/bitstream setting on the PS3, it changes what type of signal it's sending over HDMI. Your receiver should automatically detect that it's now getting a DD or DTS stream instead of a PCM stream when you change the setting to bitstream.

OK.....but most Receivers have the Audio Input setup in their Menus , won't you also have to change the the Audio Input for that selection , i.e. DVD , such that the Receiver will now look at the Bitstream Input instead of the HDMI input ?

My Pioneer won't auto-sense , at least I don't think it will....? Hmmm something to try later .

Scott..............

You wouldn't have to change inputs...the bitstream will still be coming via HDMI. Unless you're saying the AVR is specifically set to accept LPCM audio on that specific input. In that case I'm not familiar with how that would be set up as I've never heard of that. The AVR should be able to adjust on the fly to what it detects it's receiving, like a TV knowing it's receiving a digital channel vs an analog channel. when changing channels on the cable box.

I can't find on audio options the HDMI,optical analog,it gave me HDMI yes or no. I told it no and got a black screen, went back and I told it yes and can't find where in the menu I can opt for optical.It only gives me language (English,French etc)choices. I am using the Sony bluetooth not the game controller.Where am I missing the boat?

It sounds like you're still in the Display Settings menu. Back out of there and go to Sound Settings. Then select Audio Output and change it to Digital Output (Optical).

Brandon

Dave:

I can't find on audio options the HDMI,optical analog,it gave me HDMI yes or no. I told it no and got a black screen, went back and I told it yes and can't find where in the menu I can opt for optical.It only gives me language (English,French etc)choices. I am using the Sony bluetooth not the game controller.Where am I missing the boat?

Mac

It sounds like you're telling it not to use HDMI for video. If it's asking you this when you first turn the PS3 on, select YES. After you've set up your video settings, it should ask you if you want to set your audio settings. If not, go to the Settings menu in the XMB and scroll down to the Sound Settings > Audio Output Settings. You'll be able to select optical output in there.

It sounds like you're telling it not to use HDMI for video. If it's asking you this when you first turn the PS3 on, select YES. After you've set up your video settings, it should ask you if you want to set your audio settings. If not, go to the Settings menu in the XMB and scroll down to the Sound Settings > Audio Output Settings. You'll be able to select optical output in there.
Pugnax555:

Thanks for the info,I selected YES restored video and found the audio setting you described,selected Audio Output Format Optical Digital and tried both Linear PCB and Bitstream.Neither worked. Switched the receiver over to the Sat feed and everything worked. Physically switched cables no change in either source Now what?

Mac

Pugnax555:

Thanks for the info,I selected YES restored video and found the audio setting you described,selected Audio Output Format Optical Digital and tried both Linear PCB and Bitstream.Neither worked. Switched the receiver over to the Sat feed and everything worked. Physically switched cables no change in either source Now what?

Mac

When you change the setting to optical and check off the appropriate options, make sure you hit X to confirm the change or it will stay on HDMI.

Brandon

New PS3 owner here. I have a 2 questions. I have my PS3 connected to my TV via a HDMI-to-DVI cable and for audio I have the optical out connected to my receiver. My receiver is old(10 years) and only supports DD 5.1.

Question #1) When I play CDs I can't get any sound when my reciever is in 2 channel stereo mode. I can only get sound when I put my receiver in some sort of surround mode, like 3 channel Stereo, prologic, stadium, and so on.

Question #2) When I play BDs that have a 5.1 mode, everything works fine, but I can't get any sound when in 7.1 mode unless I take my receiver out of DD mode and put it in Prologic mode. Some BDs (Golden Compass) only have 7.1 mode, so the only way I can get sound is to put my surround mode on the receiver into prologic mode.

I've played with all the settings that I can think of on both my receiver and the PS3 but can't seem to solve either of the 2 problems above.

Do I need to buy a new receiver that has support for HDMI and so on?

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me.

Mountain,

Under the Sound Settings on the PS3, did you manually select the 7.1 options? Uncheck the 7.1 options and see if something changes.

Brandon

Hey guys on my setup the PS3 outputs audio far too loud (hot) compared to my other components, anyone else notice this? My Denon has been calibrated with the good ole rat shack analog sound meter.

I generally keep my Denon receiver between -15 to -20 for dvd's with my Oppo. My Toshiba A2 is between -15 to -8 depending on the HD-DVD.

Now with the PS3 I am finding that norm levels are -25 to -30 and at times with bd's notice the bass is still thundering.

imarkup, You are spreading mis-information now. I have a 7.1 system and can play 7.1 audio from the PS3 for DTS-ES matrix ed and DD-EX using PCM mode. For DTS-ES matrixed and DD-EX the 6th channel is just matrixed and if you receiver like Yamaha 663 has a PLIIx mode that unmatrix the Sur L and R to make Sur Back L and R.
It doesn't matter where the de-matrixing is done, it will be the same result.

Ummm, you are actually wrong. The DTS ES matrix encoding/decoding is actually different (although similar) to Dobly Digital EX. Although you CAN apply DPL IIx to a 5.1 DTS ES matrix stream, it will give you different results than applying the DTS ES matrix decoder. Why is this so hard for you to accept?

^^^Is the volume on your PS3 turned up? It can go from -2 to +2, might check that it is on 0. Mine is the opposite. Blu-Ray is a touch quieter than my other sources, though nothing too bad. I have a Denon AVR-3806 for reference.

Oppo and Toshiba sound about right. PS3 volume sounds off, as it should be in the same range as the Toshiba for movies (not music, though).

Make sure the internal volume of the PS3 isn't turned up past the default (Triangle button while watching something, then open the volume control panel and make sure it's at 0).

Ummm, you are actually wrong. The DTS ES matrix encoding/decoding is actually different (although similar) to Dobly Digital EX. Although you CAN apply DPL IIx to a 5.1 DTS ES matrix stream, it will give you different results than applying the DTS ES matrix decoder. Why is this so hard for you to accept?


You got proof that DTS ES matrix and Dolby EX are decoded differently? The Yamaha 663 uses the same decoder for both "EXTD SUR EX/ES". But I am sure if they hired you, you could find a way to decode the same-thing differently just so you have some more to babel about.

And yes DPL IIx gives you a better sound with its stereo rear channel mix. It allow more seating spots in your room to pin point rear channel sound effects. Everyone with a 7.1 setup should use DPL IIx for all EX/ES encoded mixes to achieve better results.

Yep checked the settings on the PS3, defin at 0. Not sure why there is such a difference but guess I'll have to play around with it.

What audio settings output settings do you have set in the PS3?
Is everything correct? Are you sending 2-channel, which your receiver is playing as-is (2-channel might sound louder than 5.1 channel)?

Also check "DRC" (Dynamic Range Compression) setting. That can make the audio appear louder due to boosting the lows and compressing the highs into one small range.

You got proof that DTS ES matrix and Dolby EX are decoded differently? The Yamaha 663 uses the same decoder for both "EXTD SUR EX/ES". But I am sure if they hired you, you could find a way to decode the same-thing differently just so you have some more to babel about.

My first clue was that one is called DTS ES matrix, and the other DD EX. You see, DTS and Dolby are what we call competitors. They dont take kindly to competitors using their algorithms in their competing sound encoding/decoding products (these silly companies try to license their technology to make money). Try to stay with me now ... they are similar, in that they both matrix the rear channel. But just because 2 things do something similar to achieve a result, does not mean they are exactly the same. I probably lost you on that last statement, so re-read it a few times.

So yes, Virginia, even though your mighty Yamaha 663 applies the same decoder to all matrix streams, it does not mean that all encoding/decoding algorithms are the same. It more than likely means Yamaha cut costs on that receiver by not licensing (ie paying for) all the decoding algorithms, or they simply left them out because their target market of that receiver would get too confused by the options.

Now, that being said, I tend to agree that DPL IIx does a better job at decoding both of those streams. It decodes them using yet a different algorithm (that is 3 different algorithms if you are taking notes).

does the ps3 support the pip option thats coming out on blue rays? if so how do you do it....

Mountain,

Under the Sound Settings on the PS3, did you manually select the 7.1 options? Uncheck the 7.1 options and see if something changes.

Brandon

I too am interested in this topic since I only have 5.1 channels out of my 7.1 AVR used. However, when I've tried to uncheck the 7.1 options in the PS3, it takes the PS3 out of Automatic HDMI mode. If I use Automatic (which should be the preferred option, right?), all 7.1 modes remain active.

Am I doing something wrong?

I have searched the forum, and have not been able to completely answer my question. I am using HDMI, and I have a 1080P set. Is is better to use Normal Dvd upscaling, or Double? I read a PS3 review, and I believe that with 1080i, or P, it would be better to used Double. Any help would be appreciated. :confused:

Doesn't double shrink the picture?

No one has seen this?

Can someone who's got the same setup using optical and getting 5.1 throw in the demo disc and play some of the BD demo's and see if it's the disc that's the problem (I still haven't had time to go get a BD movie). Note some of the trailers are 2 channel, so find a 5.1 trailer...

Thanks.

Not according to what I read. Normal keeps it the same size, and I believe that it is for 720P. Though I can't confirm that. It says on Playstation underground site that the Double is only available for 1080i/p HDMI. Full stretches the image. I just want to make sure I understand the correct setting. I just want to be able to get the best up conversion I can.

BR + PS3 + Optical = No LFE Channel

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I just got a PS3 and hooked it up to my RXV-2600 via optical cable. Grand Theft Auto (the only game I've tried so far) is 5.1 and sounds perfect. A standard DVD is also perfect 5.1.

I haven't tried an actual blue-ray disc yet, but when I try the trailers on the demo disc that comes w/ the PS3, I only get 5.0 - no LFE channel. I tried changing the supported formats and if I deselect dolby digital 5.1 everything else ends up as 2 channel stereo on the receiver. And I tried in the BR settings changing from bitstream to the other mode (sorry the name escapes me) but doing that also made me lose the 5.0 even w/ DD.

So, how do I get the 5.1 w/ the optical cable? What am I doing wrong???

I searched around and couldn't find this addressed in any existing posts. My apologies if I missed it.

Thanks.
Kidd_Funkadelic

Thanks.


No one has seen this?

Can someone who's got the same setup using optical and getting 5.1 throw in the demo disc and play some of the BD demo's and see if it's the disc that's the problem (I still haven't had time to go get a BD movie). Note some of the trailers are 2 channel, so find a 5.1 trailer...

EDIT: My thread was merged in so I added my original comment for context. I hope someone sees this. I feel like threads this long are less likely to get a question answered, but what can you do...

No one has seen this?

Can someone who's got the same setup using optical and getting 5.1 throw in the demo disc and play some of the BD demo's and see if it's the disc that's the problem (I still haven't had time to go get a BD movie). Note some of the trailers are 2 channel, so find a 5.1 trailer...

EDIT: My thread was merged in so I added my original comment for context. I hope someone sees this. I feel like threads this long are less likely to get a question answered, but what can you do...

I noticed that as well. The trailers on that sampler disc simply don't have an LFE channel, which I found somewhat odd. However, I've used plenty of Blu Ray movies with both optical and HDMI for audio and they've had LFE channels that worked just fine over both cables. Don't worry, your system is fine.

Great to hear! Thanks. I'll swing by Blockbuster tonight and try out a movie!

My first clue was that one is called DTS ES matrix, and the other DD EX. You see, DTS and Dolby are what we call competitors. They dont take kindly to competitors using their algorithms in their competing sound encoding/decoding products (these silly companies try to license their technology to make money). Try to stay with me now ... they are similar, in that they both matrix the rear channel. But just because 2 things do something similar to achieve a result, does not mean they are exactly the same. I probably lost you on that last statement, so re-read it a few times.

So yes, Virginia, even though your mighty Yamaha 663 applies the same decoder to all matrix streams, it does not mean that all encoding/decoding algorithms are the same. It more than likely means Yamaha cut costs on that receiver by not licensing (ie paying for) all the decoding algorithms, or they simply left them out because their target market of that receiver would get too confused by the options.

Just like I thought. You know nothing. The encoding system that they use are different and proprietary but that has to do with the way the base 5.1 channel are encoded noting to do with how they both used run of the mill matrixing to add pseudo rear surround channel. When you have written codec like I have come back and have an intelligent conversation. BTW-I have written a voice coder based on a patented system and without copying any copyrighted code my vocoder made and exact bit-bit identical output to the manufactures copyrighted code (we didn't have to pay the large sum of money they wanted to purchase their codec, but still had to pay a small royality per unit for the use of their patented property.)

What you are saying amounts to that my ford came with a Motocraft filter so that means I will not use a Fram filter. Once to oil leaves the filter it is filtered but internally they may make the filter geometry and materials is different.


Now, that being said, I tend to agree that DPL IIx does a better job at decoding both of those streams.
Finally something that resembles intelligences emerges.

Bought a PS3 (40G, stuck a 320 in it) last week. Great device. I've been experimenting with streaming video from ripped DVDs. Works pretty good but I've run into a PS3 hiccup.

I use the procedure described in this thread (http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/computers-games-htpc-digital-devices/5363-ps3-video-server-media-server-preliminary-setup-tests.html)

Basically you reauthor the main video file with DVDShrink - you end up with a VOB file that has the video and audio (usually 5.1). If you use no compression, the file size is 6-8 GB, too big for FAT32; hence the streaming attempt. Stream it to the PS3 using TVersity, works fine, needs about 7-8 Mb/s which is just about what my wireless will do (may have to hardwire).

Specific example - StarWars IV, remastered edition, disk plays perfect (absolutely gorgeous) on PS3, PS3 (HDMI) output 1080p/24 to a Denon 3808, 1080p to a Sammy HLT5687S. Rip the DVD with DVDShrink v3.2 (toss all extras), with no compression, get a 6.3 GB VOB file at 720x480 resolution that should be a perfect copy. Play the file straight from the PC to the Sammy, it's perfect, no artifacts (maybe a touch of edge fringing from the video card). Use Tversity to stream it and its crap, loaded with video artifacts - even the LUCASFILMS opening logo shimmers and wiggles horribly.
So it looks the PS3 is introducing video artifacts when it upscales the stream but not off the DVD. Anyone have an idea about what setting on the PS3 to tinker with? I thought it was a 60 vs 24 fps thing but that's not it. Maybe try 720p from the PS3??

I have searched the forum, and have not been able to completely answer my question. I am using HDMI, and I have a 1080P set. Is is better to use Normal Dvd upscaling, or Double? I read a PS3 review, and I believe that with 1080i, or P, it would be better to used Double. Any help would be appreciated. :confused:


Normal should upscale it to the output resolution.
Double doubles the resolution of the DVD, and it may not fill your screen.

Bought a PS3 (40G, stuck a 320 in it) last week. Great device. I've been experimenting with streaming video from ripped DVDs. Works pretty good but I've run into a PS3 hiccup.

I use the procedure described in this thread (http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/computers-games-htpc-digital-devices/5363-ps3-video-server-media-server-preliminary-setup-tests.html)

Basically you reauthor the main video file with DVDShrink - you end up with a VOB file that has the video and audio (usually 5.1). If you use no compression, the file size is 6-8 GB, too big for FAT32; hence the streaming attempt. Stream it to the PS3 using TVersity, works fine, needs about 7-8 Mb/s which is just about what my wireless will do (may have to hardwire).

Specific example - StarWars IV, remastered edition, disk plays perfect (absolutely gorgeous) on PS3, PS3 (HDMI) output 1080p/24 to a Denon 3808, 1080p to a Sammy HLT5687S. Rip the DVD with DVDShrink v3.2 (toss all extras), with no compression, get a 6.3 GB VOB file at 720x480 resolution that should be a perfect copy. Play the file straight from the PC to the Sammy, it's perfect, no artifacts (maybe a touch of edge fringing from the video card). Use Tversity to stream it and its crap, loaded with video artifacts - even the LUCASFILMS opening logo shimmers and wiggles horribly.
So it looks the PS3 is introducing video artifacts when it upscales the stream but not off the DVD. Anyone have an idea about what setting on the PS3 to tinker with? I thought it was a 60 vs 24 fps thing but that's not it. Maybe try 720p from the PS3??

Have you tried something else that is small enough to copy to your PS3's HD for caparison between streaming and local playback? I don't think the PS3 upscaling does anything with media files...I think that only applies to DVD media. I could be wrong, but I think that's how it works. I don't stream any video...I squeeze them down if needed and copy them to my PS3 HD or my attached external drive...I don't mind losing some quality. I squeeze them down because I don't want to have my PC running and want quick access to my library. If I really care about the image, I just play the actual DVD.

Specific example - StarWars IV, remastered edition, disk plays perfect (absolutely gorgeous) on PS3, PS3 (HDMI) output 1080p/24 to a Denon 3808, 1080p to a Sammy HLT5687S. Rip the DVD with DVDShrink v3.2 (toss all extras), with no compression, get a 6.3 GB VOB file at 720x480 resolution that should be a perfect copy. Play the file straight from the PC to the Sammy, it's perfect, no artifacts (maybe a touch of edge fringing from the video card). Use Tversity to stream it and its crap, loaded with video artifacts - even the LUCASFILMS opening logo shimmers and wiggles horribly.
So it looks the PS3 is introducing video artifacts when it upscales the stream but not off the DVD. Anyone have an idea about what setting on the PS3 to tinker with? I thought it was a 60 vs 24 fps thing but that's not it. Maybe try 720p from the PS3??

It's probably not the PS3. In TVersity, there are streaming options that allow for transcoding and max resolution size, etc. I'm not well-versed in the settings but You may have the max resolution size too small or TVersity may be transcoding the file on the fly (and reducing quality in the process).

For more technical info, I would search for the PS3 & Tversity thread...I'm not sure which forum it's in. However, I'm pretty sure there is one.

Brandon

Normal should upscale it to the output resolution.
Double doubles the resolution of the DVD, and it may not fill your screen.

that is true but looks better though.

I too am interested in this topic since I only have 5.1 channels out of my 7.1 AVR used. However, when I've tried to uncheck the 7.1 options in the PS3, it takes the PS3 out of Automatic HDMI mode. If I use Automatic (which should be the preferred option, right?), all 7.1 modes remain active.

Am I doing something wrong?

Sounds like your receiver will apply the 7:1 modes to any audio source. See if your receiver has a setting to turn off the rear surround speakers.

hope my question didnt get lost....
but can the ps3 do the pip on a blueray and is so how...
Also your opinion if you have a amp that does the dts hd ma or true hd is ps3 the way to go for blue ray or should i get the new sony 550 in the fall?
thanks

Sounds like your receiver will apply the 7:1 modes to any audio source. See if your receiver has a setting to turn off the rear surround speakers.

I have an Onkyo 604, calibrated by Audyssey 2EQ. The rear surrounds are turned off. I would guess that my AVR is doing the mixing for the surrounds then, correct?

hope my question didnt get lost....
but can the ps3 do the pip on a blueray and is so how...
Also your opinion if you have a amp that does the dts hd ma or true hd is ps3 the way to go for blue ray or should i get the new sony 550 in the fall?
thanks

PiP is a Profile 1.1 feature. Since the PS3 is Profile 1.1 (and Profile 2.0) compliant, it does all PiP features. The feature is on the disc itself, so it's up to the individual movie whether or not a PiP track is available.

The 550 isn't out yet so not many people know how final production models will perform. But so far it seems like the 350 and 550 will be pretty good models. If bitstreaming is very important to you then you should wait for either one of those, but if it's not the PS3 already decodes TrueHD and DTS HD MA, so there is no need to wait.

Do you have a 5.1 or 7.1 speaker setup?

Brandon

I too am interested in this topic since I only have 5.1 channels out of my 7.1 AVR used. However, when I've tried to uncheck the 7.1 options in the PS3, it takes the PS3 out of Automatic HDMI mode. If I use Automatic (which should be the preferred option, right?), all 7.1 modes remain active.

Am I doing something wrong?

Automatic may not be the preferred option. The PS3 is likely detecting that your AVR has 7 channels, but you know that only 5 of them are in use. In that case you would want to manually override the PS3 to deselect the 7.1 options.

That is unless the downmixing of a 7.1 track is done better on your AVR than the PS3. I'm assuming it will be done equally well no matter where it's taking place, which may or may not be true. For that you may want to consult other owners of your particular AVR to see how they have it set up with the PS3.

Brandon

Automatic may not be the preferred option. The PS3 is likely detecting that your AVR has 7 channels, but you know that only 5 of them are in use. In that case you would want to manually override the PS3 to deselect the 7.1 options.

That is unless the downmixing of a 7.1 track is done better on your AVR than the PS3. I'm assuming it will be done equally well no matter where it's taking place, which may or may not be true. For that you may want to consult other owners of your particular AVR to see how they have it set up with the PS3.

Brandon

No benefit to automatic mode. Your receiver is capable of 7.1 input so it will always advertise that on the HDMI cable. You should use manual mode and leave 7.1 PCM unchecked.

The Automatic mode on the PS3 is for those that don't know what their device supports. It doesn't change by itself if you connect different devices. I was share my first PS3 with my son and every time we moved it to from a TV that supported 2.0 PCM to my AVR with 7.1 you have to go and select HDMI automatic again (even though it was already selected). It just save your configuration and doesn't renegotiate with the HDMI device in the future.

PiP is a Profile 1.1 feature. Since the PS3 is Profile 1.1 (and Profile 2.0) compliant, it does all PiP features. The feature is on the disc itself, so it's up to the individual movie whether or not a PiP track is available.

The 550 isn't out yet so not many people know how final production models will perform. But so far it seems like the 350 and 550 will be pretty good models. If bitstreaming is very important to you then you should wait for either one of those, but if it's not the PS3 already decodes TrueHD and DTS HD MA, so there is no need to wait.

Do you have a 5.1 or 7.1 speaker setup?

Brandon
I have a 7.1 set up. i have a yamaha 863

I have a 7.1 set up. i have a yamaha 863

See this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14158839&postcount=2515) regarding some 7.1 tracks from New Line Cinema and how they are handled on the PS3.

Brandon

I have an Onkyo 604, calibrated by Audyssey 2EQ. The rear surrounds are turned off. I would guess that my AVR is doing the mixing for the surrounds then, correct?

Unless it's a 7:1 soundtrack, then the PS3 would decode all 7 channels the surround mixing and your receiver would downmix into 5:1. I'm a little surprised the receiver ever says those modes are available w/ the backs turned off.

If you have a 7.1 setup you should be aware that on a handful of titles (I'm not sure how many...mostly ones from New Line Cinema in 2007 and early 2008), the PS3 does not properly decode all 8 discrete channels of a 7.1 DTS HD MA track. Some AVRs have this problem as well from what I understand. It has to do with a certain matrix of 7.1 DTS HD MA, and not all 7.1 tracks.

In that case bitstreaming to a capable AVR could be better (assuming the PS3 never corrects this via firmware). The 550 is going to be able to decode and bitstream, so maybe if it's that important to you, you should wait for it.

Brandon
This is not correct.

What the PS3 is doing with those few, New Line titles is *CORRECT* -- acccording to DTS.

I just posted on this in another thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14158839#post14158839

--Bob

Unless it's a 7:1 soundtrack, then the PS3 would decode all 7 channels the surround mixing and your receiver would downmix into 5:1. I'm a little surprised the receiver ever says those modes are available w/ the backs turned off.

actually the set up is a 7.2 ... in my room...
i know there currently are no titles that have that... the amp is what makes it all tic...

This is not correct.

What the PS3 is doing with those few, New Line titles is *CORRECT* -- acccording to DTS.

I just posted on this in another thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14158839#post14158839

--Bob

It has been a while since I followed the 7.1 DTS HD MA issue on the PS3. I knew it was specific to the older layout that New Line Cinema was using for their 7.1 tracks, but as to the specific problem I lost interest as I don't have a 7.1 setup.

Thanks for the correction.

Brandon

Can someone answer me this, since I don't know anything about anything. With the PS3, could I have the picture through HDMI and the sound through the good old red and white cables? Thanks.

Can someone answer me this, since I don't know anything about anything. With the PS3, could I have the picture through HDMI and the sound through the good old red and white cables? Thanks.

Yes, and with a pair of good speakers there's no reason this won't sound very good. You can choose the lossless HD audio codecs, and the PS3 will combine the channels into stereo and give you 2-channel analog.

Not surround, but lossless and uncompressed -- arguably better raw sound quality than the lossy compressed sound of DTS or DD.

Yes. You'd set your HDMI cable for video, and in the audio setup, set it to the multi AV cable analog out.

I have an Onkyo 604, calibrated by Audyssey 2EQ. The rear surrounds are turned off. I would guess that my AVR is doing the mixing for the surrounds then, correct?
I contacted Onkyo (I have the 825) and they say to leave the PS3 set to 7.1 and if your Onkyo is set to 5.1 sound, the Onkyo will recognize this and the extra audio will be mixed into the side channels.

I just purchased the PS3 40G. It was connected to TV via HDMI and Optical to AVR which do not have HDMI. I'm not getting any sounds when I play Blu-Ray movie. Please help.

Under sound setup for optical you need to enable the proper codecs, by default it only has PCM 2 channel on by default I believe. Enable DTS and Dolby and you should start getting sound.

I'm about to receive the 40GB US model.

Will it blow up if I plug it into a 240V power supply?

Supposedly they have a universal power supply...

http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?t=10875

So theoretically it should be fine :p

There are peps saying some of the newer units have a region based psu though, so maybe a little checking under the hood of your PS3 before you plug it in would be a good idea. If it has a US psu, just buy a step-down transformer.

I'm about to receive the 40GB US model.

Will it blow up if I plug it into a 240V power supply?

Melt. :)

Is it easy to open?

I've had an iMac smoke (which made the Wall Street Journal), and a Toshiba A3 (which still works for some reason with smoke, lol).

That's unusual! Most people don't realize that smoke is what makes electronics work. If you let the smoke out, the electronics stop working.
--Bob

been there done THAT many times :p :D

I just purchased the PS3 40G. It was connected to TV via HDMI and Optical to AVR which do not have HDMI. I'm not getting any sounds when I play Blu-Ray movie. Please help.

Under Sound Settings, make sure you are on Digital Optical Out. If you have an HDMI cable plugged in, it will default to HDMI Out for audio.

I contacted Onkyo (I have the 825) and they say to leave the PS3 set to 7.1 and if your Onkyo is set to 5.1 sound, the Onkyo will recognize this and the extra audio will be mixed into the side channels.

Thanks!

is it a rule to not ask where to get the ps3 for the best price?


is the deal that amazon has going on , with free shipping temporary , or is it more than likely going to stay that price for awhile.

In most of the forums here at AVS the Moderators are limiting discussion to Manufacturer's Suggested List Price only.

However, for whatever reason, they are allowing deal price discussion in this Blu-Ray player forum. But they have asked that folks limit such discussions to a single deal thread -- i.e., this sticky thread at the top of the forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=937817

--Bob

ok thanks for the response

I have had a problem with Fox releases in LPCM and my center channel and was wondering if anyone else has this problem or has a solution.

I remember being very excited when the update for DTS-HD MA was introduced and decided to watch my newly purchased copy of Sunshine. Oddly enough the center channel was missing so I just assumed that the new firmware was still buggy and watched the movie in bitstream which worked fine.

A few weeks later I decided to watch Wallstreet and once again I noticed that all the dialog was missing. Once again I switched it to bitstream which worked fine.

Recently I decided to watch Die Hard and the problem popped up once again. I decided that with three titles I might be able to see a pattern. Not only did I notice that these were all Fox titles, but I also noticed that I have watched other FOX Blu-rays without this problem.

I tried placing Sunshine in to see if I could fix the problem and it played fine via LPCM. I then decided to toggle between the DTS and HD MA tracks to see what would happen. The results were most of the times the HD MA track would be decoded properly via LPCM, but occasionally the center channel would go missing.

Has anyone else seen this problem? It would be sad if my unit is defective considering I had my PS3 for over a year before Sony introduced HD MA. I'm using a 60GB PS3 which is going to my Pioneer 92TXH via HDMI.

Typically this would mean the HDMI handshake between the player and the receiver didn't set things up properly.

Try switching your receiver to a different input and then back to the player input. This will force a new handshake.

If that doesn't work, try powering off the receiver and powering it on again -- while the player continues to play.

If either of those steps regains your center channel then it is an HDMI handshake problem. There may be a firmware upgrade for your receiver.
--Bob

Can someone please tell me how I can have the sound from the PS3 come through my tv speakers when I don't have the surround sound on? I have it hooked up HDMI to tv (Panny Plasma) and of course optical to receiver. I am doing only DD and DTS due to older receiver. I don't always want to receiver on while watching a movie if possible.

Then you have to go into the XMB, Audio Settings, and change the audio output from optical to HDMI, and let the PS3 auto-detect to give you 2-channel for the TV.

When you want to go back to surround sound, you have to go back in and change from HDMI to Optical in the Audio Settings.

Do you just let the PS3 Automatically do what it needs to do for the HDMI out to the reciever?



Also...why is the bitstreamed DD track via HDMI so much louder than the TrueHD track that is decoded and sent via PCM???

I want to connect the ps3 to my lcd monitor, but it doesnt have HDCP support.
Does that mean I will just get a blank screen if I try to watch blu-ray?

I apologize if I am posting this is the incorrect forum. I'm a relative noob when it comes to my PS3 and BR in general. I have the new PS3 80GB/MGS4, Yamaha RX-V1800 AV Rec and Sammy LN52A750 LCD. My issue is when I play BR movies the audio only comes across in 5.1, not 7.1 which is what my speaker setup is. The Yammy Rec doesn't display the (2) rear speakers when I have a BR movie playing. Is this a setting within the PS3 or within the Yammy rec? Other? TIA.

*edit , I am using HDMI for all of my inputs.

Then you have to go into the XMB, Audio Settings, and change the audio output from optical to HDMI, and let the PS3 auto-detect to give you 2-channel for the TV.

When you want to go back to surround sound, you have to go back in and change from HDMI to Optical in the Audio Settings.

Well thats a big pain! :mad: I wish I would of known that before I bought it. The problem is if we put a kid movie in for my three year old, we don't want the surround sound...I wish it was more like my Directv receiver..it out puts the sound to both without having to switch anything.

The problem is if we put a kid movie in for my three year old, we don't want the surround sound...

Why? We watch lots of kid movies (and Dora and Little Einsteins, etc.) with our 3 and 5 year olds (and sometimes they watch by themselves).

I don't even know if the speakers on my TV work as I've never used them. EVERYTHING goes through the receiver.

I apologize if I am posting this is the incorrect forum. I'm a relative noob when it comes to my PS3 and BR in general. I have the new PS3 80GB/MGS4, Yamaha RX-V1800 AV Rec and Sammy LN52A750 LCD. My issue is when I play BR movies the audio only comes across in 5.1, not 7.1 which is what my speaker setup is. The Yammy Rec doesn't display the (2) rear speakers when I have a BR movie playing. Is this a setting within the PS3 or within the Yammy rec? Other? TIA.

*edit , I am using HDMI for all of my inputs.

Have you played any movies with a 7.1 soundtrack? Are you using some type of direct mode?

Brandon

Have you played any movies with a 7.1 soundtrack? Are you using some type of direct mode?

Brandon

I'll have to check the case. I *assumed* that since it is BR that there would be 7.1, I guess mistakenly. I've tried all the Harry Potter and Pirate's of The Caribbean BR Disks.

I'll have to check the case. I *assumed* that since it is BR that there would be 7.1, I guess mistakenly. I've tried all the Harry Potter and Pirate's of The Caribbean BR Disks.

It's only 7.1 if it specifies it on the packaging. POTC and HP are all 5.1, not 7.1. If you want to good sounding 7.1, rent or buy The Golden Compass.

It's only 7.1 if it specifies it on the packaging. POTC and HP are all 5.1, not 7.1. If you want to good sounding 7.1, rent or buy The Golden Compass.

There's my answer. I'm honestly shocked that these BR movies are not in 7.1!

There's my answer. I'm honestly shocked that these BR movies are not in 7.1!

What you'll find is that certain studios have a preference towards a certain soundstage & codec. New Line Cinema frequently offers up their movies in DTS HD MA 7.1, whereas Fox is mostly DTS HD MA 5.1, and Warner has traditionally been TrueHD 5.1 or Uncompressed PCM 5.1.

It's just a case-by-case scenario. You should be able to do some matrixing with your AVR to stretch the sound field to 7.1 if you are intent on that.

Brandon

What you'll find is that certain studios have a preference towards a certain soundstage & codec. New Line Cinema frequently offers up their movies in DTS HD MA 7.1, whereas Fox is mostly DTS HD MA 5.1, and Warner has traditionally been TrueHD 5.1 or Uncompressed PCM 5.1.

It's just a case-by-case scenario. You should be able to do some matrixing with your AVR to stretch the sound field to 7.1 if you are intent on that.

Brandon

I would be interested in doing that. How is that accomplished please?

I would be interested in doing that. How is that accomplished please?

Do you have ProLogic IIx on your receiver?

Can the PS3 output to HDMI and the AV Multi Out at the same time? (need to connect a small LCD monitor so I don't have to fire up the projector every time ...)

Can the PS3 output to HDMI and the AV Multi Out at the same time? (need to connect a small LCD monitor so I don't have to fire up the projector every time ...)

I do not believe so - but I could be wrong.

I only use HDMI.

A lot of Boxes - AS A RULE - Disable other outputs
when HDMI is plugged in.

Try it and let us know!

Do you have ProLogic IIx on your receiver?

It apparently does as I have asked and been answered in the Yammy 1800 Forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=888942&page=164

Then that's what you need to use.

It'll take the 5.1 sound and turn it into 7.1

If pro logic doesn't work, you can also try dolby digital ex or dts es to turn 5.1 into 7.1 (I know it's mono).

If pro logic doesn't work, you can also try dolby digital ex or dts es to turn 5.1 into 7.1.

No you can't. DD EX and DTS ES are soundtrack formats on the disc, not processors. The processing chips used to process those tracks are Dolby ProLogic IIx and a DTS chip which also provide capacity to turn 5.1 tracks into 7.1 but strictly speaking DD EX and DTS ES are soundtrack formats and don't do that.

Receivers with the capacity to handle those soundtracks and drive a 7.1 sound system routinely have the correct chips to derive rear channel sound for 7.1 playback of 5.1 material.

No you can't. DD EX and DTS ES are soundtrack formats on the disc, not processors. The processing chips used to process those tracks are Dolby ProLogic IIx and a DTS chip which also provide capacity to turn 5.1 tracks into 7.1 but strictly speaking DD EX and DTS ES are soundtrack formats and don't do that.

Receivers with the capacity to handle those soundtracks and drive a 7.1 sound system routinely have the correct chips to derive rear channel sound for 7.1 playback of 5.1 material.

My sam as720 can do it. I press an 'es/ex' button and it matrixes 5.1 tracks into 7.1.

ES/EX are actually 6.1 formats so probably your receiver is simply sending a mono signal to the rears. You may be better off using PLIIx to matrix a stereo signal to the rears. THX Ultra Cinema, if your receiver includes it, will provide further THX proprietary enhancement to 7.1 matrixing in addition to what PLIIx provides.

Can the PS3 output to HDMI and the AV Multi Out at the same time? (need to connect a small LCD monitor so I don't have to fire up the projector every time ...)

No, it will only drive one video output and one audio output at a time (but the A and V outs can be different from each other, as in HDMI video and optical sound).

I have noticed since the last update my PS3 no longer recognizes BD discs.
Has anyone else experienced this ? Since I only use my PS3 to watch BD this is a bit of problem. Any Ideas I thought i would post here before calling sony.

Thanks

Pat

I have noticed since the last update my PS3 no longer recognizes BD discs.
Has anyone else experienced this ? Since I only use my PS3 to watch BD this is a bit of problem. Any Ideas I thought i would post here before calling sony.

Thanks

Pat
Don't wait. Call Sony.

There's nothing in the most recent PS3 firmware that should alter its ability to play Blu-Ray discs.
--Bob

ES/EX are actually 6.1 formats so probably your receiver is simply sending a mono signal to the rears. You may be better off using PLIIx to matrix a stereo signal to the rears. THX Ultra Cinema, if your receiver includes it, will provide further THX proprietary enhancement to 7.1 matrixing in addition to what PLIIx provides.

I know.

I know.
Hmm. If you knew EX/ES were actually 6.1, then why did you say this?
If pro logic doesn't work, you can also try dolby digital ex or dts es to turn 5.1 into 7.1.

And FYI, pro logic isn't 7.1 either. Prologic IIx is.

Hmm. If you knew EX/ES were actually 6.1, then why did you say this?


And FYI, pro logic isn't 7.1 either. Prologic IIx is.

On my receiver, es/ex sends audio to both back speakers. When I say prologic, I mean prologic *.

Dolby Pro Logic is 5.1 only and will not provide matrixing for 7.1.

Dolby Pro Logic IIx takes 5.1 and matrixes the rears to create 7.1.

THX Cinema modes (THX Ultra 2 and THX Select 2) also provide a matrixed 7.1 signal from 5.1.

it seems that most of the discussion about the ps3 is audio-centered.

I'm just curious how the PS3 stacks up to the other players on video quality. I've been doing a side-by-side comparison with PS3 and the BD30, initially I thought I was seeing some more artifacts during panning with the PS3, now I'm not so sure. Wondering if anyone out there has some objective info about whether the playback of blu ray movies is of any different quality. I need to know soon so i can return one of these puppies! I'm not a gamer.

I have both players. the ps3 and BD30.. both are fine players. if I had to choose.. I would go with the BD30. it doesn't have the internet connection, but the BDlive is such crap.. that its not really that important.

Jacob

it seems that most of the discussion about the ps3 is audio-centered.

I'm just curious how the PS3 stacks up to the other players on video quality. I've been doing a side-by-side comparison with PS3 and the BD30, initially I thought I was seeing some more artifacts during panning with the PS3, now I'm not so sure. Wondering if anyone out there has some objective info about whether the playback of blu ray movies is of any different quality. I need to know soon so i can return one of these puppies! I'm not a gamer.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13654541#post13654541
go here, read, look at piccies.

I recently purchased a Playstation 3 and have HDMI video running to my Pioneer 150FD and optical digital audio to my Proceed AVP, which does not support HDMI. When my kids play video games, the sound is great, but when I play Blu Ray movies, I have to turn the volume WAY UP to get enough volume to listen to movies. Sometimes I can't get adequate volume on movies before I get the REF light on the proceed avp. Have I missed something in the set up menu or hooked something up wrong? The moves sound good, but I would prefer more volume in some scenes and I can't get it. While playing CD, video games, or regular TV, I have more than enough volume for all sources. Thanks, George

There is a PS3 setting for increasing the output volume. Many users have reported changing the setting from the default to +1 generally produces good results. You can press the Triangle button during BD playback then select the speaker icon to adjust the volume. Going higher then a +1 setting can cause issues with 'clipping' on the loudest audio passages of some discs.

Sorry if this has already been posted, it's from a Sony engineer. Scroll down on the left for english.

http://homepage3.nifty.com/kanaimaru/PS3/0fa13.htm

I just got an Integra DTC 9.8 receiver which is powered by an Outlaw 770 7x200W Amp, the Integra does all the new sound formats Like Dolby True-HD and DTS-HD, should the sound setting in the PS3 be set to Bitstream or PCM, I would like the Integra to do all the processing.

PCM

The PS3 will unpack* the lossless track and send that to your receiver. The receiver can then work its magic on the uncompressed PCM.

It merely changes the point that the data is decompressed. Your receiver would do the same decompression before getting to work. If it wasn't the same then one of the components could not be certified.




* i refuse to use the word decode. It is a process much like unzipping a file on your pc.

PCM
If to want True-HD and DTS-MA

Thanks guys, but when I put in Kingdom of Heaven which has DTS-HD master audio, when I chose PCM in the PS3 it showed Multichannel on my receiver, the sound was OK, when I chose Bitstream in the PS3 it showes DTS on the receiver with much better cleaner and detailed sound, the soundtrack just comes alive.

Sorry if this has already been posted, it's from a Sony engineer. Scroll down on the left for english.

http://homepage3.nifty.com/kanaimaru/PS3/0fa13.htm

Interesting. Maybe someone here can explain to lil ol' me how the piece of duct tape and brass ingot know which are the tympani and tuba bits and which are the piccolo and violin bits. :p

Don't get me wrong--I fully acknowledge that the things done will have a slight effect on acoustically dampening the physical vibrations of the unit itself. As to the claims that they will have an effect on the digital signal that the unit outputs to create richer bass and a wider soundstage, however, I am *highly* skeptical.

The PS3 will unpack* the lossless track and send that to your receiver. The receiver can then work its magic on the uncompressed PCM.

It merely changes the point that the data is decompressed. Your receiver would do the same decompression before getting to work. If it wasn't the same then one of the components could not be certified.

* i refuse to use the word decode. It is a process much like unzipping a file on your pc.
"decode" is the correct technical term. It doesn't matter whether the process is lossy or lossless, we're still talking about audio codecs (with an encoder and a decoder). See for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS-HD_Master_Audio

(And even the process of unzipping files on your PC is technically "decoding".)

Thanks guys, but when I put in Kingdom of Heaven which has DTS-HD master audio, when I chose PCM in the PS3 it showed Multichannel on my receiver, the sound was OK, when I chose Bitstream in the PS3 it showes DTS on the receiver with much better cleaner and detailed sound, the soundtrack just comes alive.

Did you select DTS-MA from the set up menu on the disk.
Hit the select button on the controller, it will tell you what format you're listening to.

Did you select DTS-MA from the set up menu on the disk.
Hit the select button on the controller, it will tell you what format you're listening to.
yes I did, and it only plays it when I choose bitstream in the PS3.

You're getting DTS using bitstream not DTS-MA. What did it say on the screen when playing the movie using PCM.

Sorry if this has already been posted, it's from a Sony engineer. Scroll down on the left for english.

http://homepage3.nifty.com/kanaimaru/PS3/0fa13.htm


That is the most idiotic thing I have ever read. If an engineer wrote that, he should be fired (I am an engineer). I have hired foreign engineers that I swear were idiots. Don't know what their colleges are like over seas.

Don't be too hard on him. At least he wasn't suggesting you improve your room acoustics by replacing the face plates on your power outlets!

It constantly amazes me what people can convince themselves to hear.....

In any event, this article ought to give new ammunition to the folks who think the PS3 is ugly. (We need a Japanese reader to take a look and see if he can spot signs this article was written as a joke.)
--Bob

You're getting DTS using bitstream not DTS-MA. What did it say on the screen when playing the movie using PCM.when I choose PCM in the PS3 it shows Multichannel on the receiver "which sound real nice", when I choose Bitstream in the PS3 it shows DTS on the receiver with improved dynamics in the sound.

yes I did, and it only plays it when I choose bitstream in the PS3.


That means you don't have the right number of PCM channels enabled. Does your receiver input 7.1 channel PCM via HDMI?

Read post one here to setup your PS3 to send DTS-MA over PCM: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13605209#post13605209

when I choose PCM in the PS3 it shows Multichannel on the receiver "which sound real nice", when I choose Bitstream in the PS3 it shows DTS on the receiver with improved dynamics in the sound.
I was talking about hitting the select button on the PS3 controller to see what format is being used when the movie is playing under PCM

when I choose PCM in the PS3 it shows Multichannel on the receiver "which sound real nice", when I choose Bitstream in the PS3 it shows DTS on the receiver with improved dynamics in the sound.
If you are hearing better "dynamics" when you bitstream the lossy DTS track to your receiver compared to HDMI LPCM of the lossless DTS-HD MA track, then the odds are your receiver has the infamous, "10dB low LFE bug", for HDMI LPCM input -- i.e., what it reports to you as "Multichannel" input.

Fixing this could be as easy as turning on the 10dB LFE boost setup option in your receiver for HDMI LPCM input -- which should already be on by default. But some receivers need a firmware upgrade to fix this problem.

See the first post in this sticky thread from the Audio Theory forum here for a more detailed explanation, plus a list (which is getting somewhat out of date) of what's known about how various popular receivers and pre-pros handle this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147

--Bob

I just bought a PS3 that has 2.01 firmware on it. I want to update it to the latest version but our crappy computer wont do it. Is there any place I can buy or get a cd or something that will update it.

Can't you just hook your PS3 up directly?

Can't you just hook your PS3 up directly?

I'll try , but it's dial up and it never gets to the end of any download without freezing up.

I just bought a PS3 that has 2.01 firmware on it. I want to update it to the latest version but our crappy computer wont do it. Is there any place I can buy or get a cd or something that will update it.

Can you just go to a kinko's and use their internet to download it to a flash drive? Or the library?

Brandon

Hi Cadbury8,

Thanks for your response, so I did what you said and the problem was in your step 2. Basically, the problem is with my subwoofer/amp, not with my PS3. When I connected directly from PS3 to the TV using the same HDMI cables, the problem did not re-occur.

I'll be posting this on the HT-CT100 thread in the audio forums. I already read on there a person having a similar issue.

Thanks for your help.

...As to the claims that they will have an effect on the digital signal that the unit outputs to create richer bass and a wider soundstage, however, I am *highly* skeptical.Physical perturbation during optical disc reading can lead to bit loss. Bit loss can be transparently corrected on the fly up to a point, then concealment kicks in (interpolation, psychoacoustic treatment, etc.); people with so-called golden ears claim they can hear how concealment "taints" the audio.

When concealment can't handle it, the audio is muted--so by the time we hear a break in the audio, it's got to be pretty bad. However, with Blu-ray, even for concealment to kick in, things have got to be pretty grim, because the transparent correction algorithms are better than the ones used with DVD, which are themselves better than the ones used with CD. So maybe he's got his PS3 mounted on his subwoofer or something :p

Well thats a big pain! :mad: I wish I would of known that before I bought it. The problem is if we put a kid movie in for my three year old, we don't want the surround sound...I wish it was more like my Directv receiver..it out puts the sound to both without having to switch anything.

Yea, I scratched my head over that for a while. I am hooked up with component and optical to the receiver. I figured I'd hook the analog audio outputs to the tv for when I don't want to make a lot of noise at night (I live in an apt. right now). I've never before had an AV device that did not output digital and analog simultaneously, so it didn't immediately occur to me that the PS3 does this when you set it for optical. There is no technical reason I can think of to ever just shut off the analog audio output.

It is a PITA to have to go into the audio setup and reconfigure it for analog and then switch it back when you want to use your AV receiver.

weird thing happened today, I booted up the ps3 and it acted like it was new out of the box, everything was back to default and my theme was gone....

weird thing happened today, I booted up the ps3 and it acted like it was new out of the box, everything was back to default and my theme was gone....
Someone in your house may have "accidentally" selected the option in the Settings menu to delete everything and reset the system back to its initial state (at the current software version level):

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/restoreps3.html

--Bob

when I choose PCM in the PS3 it shows Multichannel on the receiver "which sound real nice", when I choose Bitstream in the PS3 it shows DTS on the receiver with improved dynamics in the sound.

If you are hearing better "dynamics" when you bitstream the lossy DTS track to your receiver compared to HDMI LPCM of the lossless DTS-HD MA track, then the odds are your receiver has the infamous, "10dB low LFE bug", for HDMI LPCM input -- i.e., what it reports to you as "Multichannel" input.

Or could be that he prefers the lossy DTS track to DTS-HD:MA?

(As long as he doesn't insist that regular DTS is better than DTS-HD:MA)

Or could be that he prefers the lossy DTS track to DTS-HD:MA?

(As long as he doesn't insist that regular DTS is better than DTS-HD:MA)
It could be that, but not when his stated reason is that the lossy DTS track has more "dynamics". That is either a setup problem or a bug in his receiver.
--Bob

Someone in your house may have "accidentally" selected the option in the Settings menu to delete everything and reset the system back to its initial state (at the current software version level):

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/restoreps3.html

--Bob


It's only me and my wife and my wife never touches it.. :/

I have this problem with Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MA. It seems like you have to crank the volume up twice as much as plain old DD. I have my PS3 set to output LCPM over HDMI, going to an Onkyo 605. I assumed it was just recorded lower, but who knows.

I have the Onkyo TX-SR606. Should I go with a PS3 or the Panny BD30? I would not use PS3 for games, only blu-ray. Bestbuy has BD30 for 450 with a free 100$ card. So they will be around the same price. Right now I have a 50 Toshiba 720P but I will be getting a 50' 1080P TV later this summer. Which blu-ray is a better option for me?

I took my PS3 over to my fathers house over the weekend and we had video hooked up with HDMI and audio piped to a Sony 6.1 dolby digital/dts AV receiver with optical out. PS3 configured for bitstream output for Bluray.

For some reason on at least two movies we tried (Pirates of the Caribbean at Worlds End, and Spiderman 3) we kept getting audio glitches every 5-10 seconds and losing the dolby digital sync (blue light kept flashing on and off) We also tried Jumper which I don't believe had the same issue ( I can't remember for sure we only had it in for a few minutes). It wasn't the cable or the input on the receiver as I switched both.

Also we had a tivo hooked up via optical out and it had no problem synching up with the Sony AV reveiver for dolby digital.

For the record the same PS3 works fine with my Pioneer 7.1 dolby digital/DTS AV receiver.


Anyone have similar issues or know why this might be happening?

i just got my ps3 today need help in setting up the audio part

It's only me and my wife and my wife never touches it.. :/


Did you sign in with the same profile as usual? The PS3 saves Theme and other settings per profile.

I took my PS3 over to my fathers house over the weekend and we had video hooked up with HDMI and audio piped to a Sony 6.1 dolby digital/dts AV receiver with optical out. PS3 configured for bitstream output for Bluray.

For some reason on at least two movies we tried (Pirates of the Caribbean at Worlds End, and Spiderman 3) we kept getting audio glitches every 5-10 seconds and losing the dolby digital sync (blue light kept flashing on and off) We also tried Jumper which I don't believe had the same issue ( I can't remember for sure we only had it in for a few minutes). It wasn't the cable or the input on the receiver as I switched both.

Also we had a tivo hooked up via optical out and it had no problem synching up with the Sony AV reveiver for dolby digital.

For the record the same PS3 works fine with my Pioneer 7.1 dolby digital/DTS AV receiver.


Anyone have similar issues or know why this might be happening?
I've read that there are several models of Sony receivers out there that can't accept a full 640kbps DD data stream. Apparently since the DVD spec states that 448kbps is the max (despite the DD spec stating that a stream can go up to 640kbps), Sony decided to only support that lower limit. Now that BDs have come along that utilize the full DD bandwidth, the problem with these Sony receivers has come to light.

where would i look to see about some good deals on a PS3? thanks

where would i look to see about some good deals on a PS3? thanks

There's a pricing thread in the sticky section at the top of the blu ray forums. However, Sony is pretty tight with the PS3 pricing, so deals are a bit hard to come by.

Some stores do deals with gift cards and the like.

Happy hunting.

Seggers

It could be that, but not when his stated reason is that the lossy DTS track has more "dynamics". That is either a setup problem or a bug in his receiver.
--Bob
It could also just be that bitstreamed tracks play several dB louder than when the PS3 decodes and outputs PCM. Louder can be perceived as being more dynamic, and many people fail to equalize the volume when comparing tracks.

It could also just be that bitstreamed tracks play several dB louder than when the PS3 decodes and outputs PCM. Louder can be perceived as being more dynamic, and many people fail to equalize the volume when comparing tracks.

That was exactly my thought when I read the comment. For some reason people have very odd expectations with regards to dynamics, and in fact often mistake something that is less dynamic as being more dynamic (likely due to the perception of it initially being louder, as described above). There are a number of posts around here where people complain about the quiet parts being too quiet and the loud parts being too loud, despite that being the very definition of dynamic.

Make sure you increase the PS3 volume to +1 and not +2. +1 works fine, but +2 has been known to cause distortion.

I have been wondering this too.

is this a PS3 issue....or a Blu Ray issue?

It could also just be that bitstreamed tracks play several dB louder than when the PS3 decodes and outputs PCM. Louder can be perceived as being more dynamic, and many people fail to equalize the volume when comparing tracks.



Do we have an idea about what the number of db is that is needed to compensate the PS3's lower volume via PCM vs Bitstream?

The PCM is clearly lower....but how much lower in master volume? 2, 3, 5db?

I'd rather just up the volume on my receiver than to add +1 to the PS3 volume level.

I've read that there are several models of Sony receivers out there that can't accept a full 640kbps DD data stream. Apparently since the DVD spec states that 448kbps is the max (despite the DD spec stating that a stream can go up to 640kbps), Sony decided to only support that lower limit. Now that BDs have come along that utilize the full DD bandwidth, the problem with these Sony receivers has come to light.

Wow... very insightful, I wouldn't have thought of that. Sounds like a pretty big bummer though. I wonder if it would be possible to petition to Sony to have a down sample option in the PS3 settings to compensate for their oversight of dolby digital processing in their AV receiver lines.

Thanks again for your input.... at least I can quit pulling out my hair.

Do we have an idea about what the number of db is that is needed to compensate the PS3's lower volume via PCM vs Bitstream?

The PCM is clearly lower....but how much lower in master volume? 2, 3, 5db?

I'd rather just up the volume on my receiver than to add +1 to the PS3 volume level.
Not sure of the exact difference, and it could be different for different types of track. If I were trying to do a detailed comparison I would get out the SPL meter and make sure I had them both at the same level.

I've read that there are several models of Sony receivers out there that can't accept a full 640kbps DD data stream. Apparently since the DVD spec states that 448kbps is the max (despite the DD spec stating that a stream can go up to 640kbps), Sony decided to only support that lower limit. Now that BDs have come along that utilize the full DD bandwidth, the problem with these Sony receivers has come to light.


Hey All ...
I was wondering about the Sony Model #'s!
I'm ordering a Sony Receiver, Model # STR-DG910!
I hope that will handle the 640kbps DD data stream.
Hope Ya All have a great day!

Mr.HoggLegg


God Bless all the Doctors, Nurses, EMT's, Firefighters, Law Enforcement and Military! America's Real Hero's!

Hey All ...
I was wondering about the Sony Model #'s!
I'm ordering a Sony Receiver, Model # STR-DG910!
I hope that will handle the 640kbps DD data stream.
Hope Ya All have a great day!

Mr.HoggLegg


God Bless all the Doctors, Nurses, EMT's, Firefighters, Law Enforcement and Military! America's Real Hero's!

Yes, it will.
But the good part is it will also accept the LPCM over an HDMI connection from the PS3 allowing you access to the high resolution audio codecs (LPCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio) after the PS3 has decoded them.

Yes, it will.
But the good part is it will also accept the LPCM over an HDMI connection from the PS3 allowing you access to the high resolution audio codecs (LPCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio) after the PS3 has decoded them.

Thanx Friedriceballer ...

I just knew someone here would know fer sure!

Have a Great Day Pardner!

when I choose PCM in the PS3 it shows Multichannel on the receiver "which sound real nice", when I choose Bitstream in the PS3 it shows DTS on the receiver with improved dynamics in the sound.

I have a similar receiver as you. I set the PS3 to output PCM so it can decode all of the sound formats (with a couple of excepts which have been noted in the past). The trick is to make sure you have the receiver set up to use the listened mode you like when it receives PCM. So, for example, on mine, regardless of whether I receive a 5.1 signal as PCM or Bitstream, it used the THX Ultra2 listening mode. I'm guess you get different listening modes (or perhaps just "direct") when you get different formats so they sound completely different to you.

Refer to you manual as to how to select listening modes and how to set what it uses by default for each input and format.

I just got this thing about 3 weeks ago.

When I first got it (and up until about 3 or 4 days ago), if I'm watching a movie, and stop it in the middle, and pull the disc out for later viewing - and put the disc back in later on, it would resume play from the very point where I left off - even if I watched a different movie or played a game in between.

This was for both DVD's and Blu-ray discs.

Now, every time I put a movie in that I had not watched completely, it just goes to the movie's Menu screen.

I am not 100% positive, but to my recollection, this started after the most recent update.

I looked all over the XMB for options that may turn that function on or off, but to no avail.

Anyone have any ideas what's going on, and if I can fix it so it resumes playback like before?

Any help is greatly appreciate.

By the way, I joined these forums to get info on the Panasonic TH-46PZ800U - I am getting one at the beginning of September and I'm totally stoked for it!

This seems like just an AWESOME forum because there are so many people with input and ideas and really great contribution. I hope to live up to that, and do a little quality contribution of my own.

- The 'Viz :)

EDIT: Thread moved - my bad.

If you are hearing better "dynamics" when you bitstream the lossy DTS track to your receiver compared to HDMI LPCM of the lossless DTS-HD MA track, then the odds are your receiver has the infamous, "10dB low LFE bug", for HDMI LPCM input -- i.e., what it reports to you as "Multichannel" input.

Fixing this could be as easy as turning on the 10dB LFE boost setup option in your receiver for HDMI LPCM input -- which should already be on by default. But some receivers need a firmware upgrade to fix this problem.

See the first post in this sticky thread from the Audio Theory forum here for a more detailed explanation, plus a list (which is getting somewhat out of date) of what's known about how various popular receivers and pre-pros handle this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147

--Bob

The Integra's don't have that problem.

Wow, Cadbury that's great - I bet Mbnzgrl was flippin' out over that, and without your help, would have been stuck.

Great stuff peeps!

The Integra's don't have that problem.
Don't they have a user settable control for the boost which might be set wrong? I suspect a lot of users see "10dB bass boost" or the like and turn that off as a knee jerk reaction during their initial setup without realizing that it is SUPPOSED to be turned on for HDMI LPCM input.
--Bob

What's so hard about having hd bitstream on the ps3? Isn't it less bandwidth and less cpu?

What's so hard about having hd bitstream on the ps3? Isn't it less bandwidth and less cpu?

The hardware can't do it, or so anyone who seems to know anything about it keeps saying.

My question continues to be: "so what?" The LPCM output sounds perfect, so why worry?

Hi

Can I set the PS3 BD player to output in 1080p60 when a 1080p24 movie is played? If not, is there a 1080p60 movie that I can play in the BD player or is there a player that will upconvert a 1080p24 movie and display in 1080p60 format?

Thanks.

-Dipu

Can I set the PS3 BD player to output in 1080p60 when a 1080p24 movie is played?

All BD player including the PS3 do this.

The hardware can't do it, or so anyone who seems to know anything about it keeps saying.

My question continues to be: "so what?" The LPCM output sounds perfect, so why worry?

Because many folks can't matrix 5.1 LPCM to 7.1 or have reduced number of listening modes when doing so where they wouldn't have either problem if the receiver did the decoding.

Then there's the DTS-MA Limited stuff....

I'll eventually replace my PS3 with something that can bitstream the lossless codecs.

Is there a decent less expensive and smaller DVD remote for the PS3 than the huge original one you can buy for $25? I seen another smaller after market brand at BB for $20...anyone using something that works good?

Because many folks can't matrix 5.1 LPCM to 7.1 or have reduced number of listening modes when doing so where they wouldn't have either problem if the receiver did the decoding.
If the receiver doesn't have the horsepower to matrix 6 channels of a simple LPCM stream, then it most likely won't have the horsepower to both decode the losslessly-compressed bitstream AND matrix it, too. After the decoding, the receiver still has to deal with matrixing its own LPCM stream. Please let me know of any receivers that can't matrix multichannel PCM, but that can decode the HD audio formats and matrix them.

Is there anyone who has objectively measured whether the ps3's ability to decode DTS-MA HD and Dolby trueHD is as good as any receiver (strictly speaking about 5.1). I've got a denon 3808ci if that matters. I'm still debating on whether to return the ps3, and this would be the final reason to.

Is it really just the same "sound" in the end. (a 5-10% difference in quality would be considered same by me).

Is there anyone who has objectively measured whether the ps3's ability to decode DTS-MA HD and Dolby trueHD is as good as any receiver (strictly speaking about 5.1).

Yes, both DTS and Dolby Laboratories certified that the decompression algorithms were up to spec when they put their stamp of approval on the PS3. However, that doesn't seem to be "good enough" for some people around here.

I just got this thing about 3 weeks ago.

When I first got it (and up until about 3 or 4 days ago), if I'm watching a movie, and stop it in the middle, and pull the disc out for later viewing - and put the disc back in later on, it would resume play from the very point where I left off - even if I watched a different movie or played a game in between.

This was for both DVD's and Blu-ray discs.

Now, every time I put a movie in that I had not watched completely, it just goes to the movie's Menu screen.

I am not 100% positive, but to my recollection, this started after the most recent update.

I looked all over the XMB for options that may turn that function on or off, but to no avail.

Anyone have any ideas what's going on, and if I can fix it so it resumes playback like before?

Any help is greatly appreciate.

By the way, I joined these forums to get info on the Panasonic TH-46PZ800U - I am getting one at the beginning of September and I'm totally stoked for it!

This seems like just an AWESOME forum because there are so many people with input and ideas and really great contribution. I hope to live up to that, and do a little quality contribution of my own.

- The 'Viz :)

EDIT: Thread moved - my bad.


I FIXEDED IT!!! YAY, ME!!!



I simply used the "RESET PS3 SETTINGS" option (NOT to be confused with REFORMATTING)!!!

I went from Knocked Up on DVD, to Blade Runner on BD, then Ridge Racer, then Knocked Up, and back to BLADE RUNNER!!!!

:D @ PS3!!1!!1!one!~

Is there a decent less expensive and smaller DVD remote for the PS3 than the huge original one you can buy for $25? I seen another smaller after market brand at BB for $20...anyone using something that works good?

Given the typically high prices of other Sony PS3 accessories, I actually thought the remote was fairly cheap. It is BT and probably costs significantly more to manufacture than the typical cheapie IR remote.

Can you switch from hdmi to optical with the remote?

Yes, both DTS and Dolby Laboratories certified that the decompression algorithms were up to spec when they put their stamp of approval on the PS3. However, that doesn't seem to be "good enough" for some people around here.

AMEN to that.

Also people don't understand the LOSSLESS means
LOSSLESS - no matter where the decoding is done
you get the SAME RESULTS - Better Known as LOSSLESS
Decoding.

Of course once it is Decoded - AVRs can take the LOSSLESS
decoded data and turn it in crap - if they have that kind of AVR :mad:

AMEN to that.

Also people don't understand the LOSSLESS means
LOSSLESS - no matter where the decoding is done
you get the SAME RESULTS - Better Known as LOSSLESS
Decoding.

Of course once it is Decoded - AVRs can take the LOSSLESS
decoded data and turn it in crap - if they have that kind of AVR :mad:

You have to remember also that we are surrounded by people at AVS who have "golden ears" and can hear a cricket fart on a warm summer night... these folks insist that they can hear the difference between lossless formats as well as hearing the difference between their AVR decoding the lossless format or their Blu-Ray player doing the decoding.

I think flac files sound much better than wav files. :rolleyes:

You have to remember also that we are surrounded by people at AVS who have "golden ears" and can hear a cricket fart on a warm summer night... these folks insist that they can hear the difference between lossless formats as well as hearing the difference between their AVR decoding the lossless format or their Blu-Ray player doing the decoding.

I did FORGET that fact also. I'm glad you reminded me ;)

I FIXEDED IT!!! YAY, ME!!!



I simply used the "RESET PS3 SETTINGS" option (NOT to be confused with REFORMATTING)!!!

I went from Knocked Up on DVD, to Blade Runner on BD, then Ridge Racer, then Knocked Up, and back to BLADE RUNNER!!!!

:D @ PS3!!1!!1!one!~

Congrats....but don't get too excited...because there are certain discs that just cannot be 'resume played'.

I think flac files sound much better than wav files.

You do realize that flac files are just wav files that have been losslessly compressed?

something tells me that he was being sarcastic.

Well that is good to know, I guess the ps3 stays then!

Is there any mainstream audio format then that is not supported by ps3? I'm trying to make sure I dont get any surprises AFTER the 30 day period I can return the thing.

Is there a decent less expensive and smaller DVD remote for the PS3 than the huge original one you can buy for $25? I seen another smaller after market brand at BB for $20...anyone using something that works good?Unfortunately, no. The PS3 remote is bluetooth, not infrared.

Can you switch from hdmi to optical with the remote?Yes, but with one caveat. You'll have to remember what formats your AVR supports on optical because, in my experience, every time you switch to a different audio output format and back to optical, you have to tell the PS3 what formats and bitrates to send.

Is there anyone who has objectively measured whether the ps3's ability to decode DTS-MA HD and Dolby trueHD is as good as any receiver (strictly speaking about 5.1). I've got a denon 3808ci if that matters. I'm still debating on whether to return the ps3, and this would be the final reason to.

Is it really just the same "sound" in the end. (a 5-10% difference in quality would be considered same by me).

I'm not sure if I understand what you're asking, but I'm guessing that you're inquiring whether or not the PS3's decoded (lossless) formats sound the same across a number of receivers.

Each receiver should sound a bit different depending on how each unit alters the signal. Just as a pair of speakers will sound different on a number of receivers or amps/preamps, the final audio should have a difference because of the different hardware.

I also have the Denon AVR-3808CI and the sound quality is fantastic. I'm sure several other lines of receivers would be equally fantastic also. For the money (and its ability to be upgraded via firmware), the PS3 is a great buy.

i need audio help just got the ps3 today what should be check off in the audio setup.
and also how do you know if you are hearing the lossles sound

Congrats....but don't get too excited...because there are certain discs that just cannot be 'resume played'.

Thanks Petrovy, I appreciate the heads up. It will help me avoid griping and moaning later.

I've got an extensive library of DVD's about 730 or so - perhaps even 750. Got any examples Imight be able to check out and see if any particular DVD won't have the resume play feature work on it? I know it's an odd request, but it would be much appreciated.

I'm new to the forums, so it's nice to meet you btw. :)

when play dts ma or ddthd or unompressed it sayes 5.1 48 khz is this right

I've got an extensive library of DVD's about 730 or so - perhaps even 750. Got any examples Imight be able to check out and see if any particular DVD won't have the resume play feature work on it? I know it's an odd request, but it would be much appreciated.


Any BRD's with Java won't resume. Examples include Pirates of the Caribbean and Spiderman 3...

I think flac files sound much better than wav files. :rolleyes:

They do! There is less seek noise from your hard drive playing the FLAC.. :)

Thanks Petrovy, I appreciate the heads up. It will help me avoid griping and moaning later.

I've got an extensive library of DVD's about 730 or so - perhaps even 750. Got any examples Imight be able to check out and see if any particular DVD won't have the resume play feature work on it? I know it's an odd request, but it would be much appreciated.

It's not DVDs you have to worry about. Every DVD you own should be able to resume after stopping playback (make sure you stop the movie before ejecting it). However, a good portion of Blu-rays are authored in BD-Java which doesn't allowed for resumed playback. Hopefully every disc with BD-J from now on will enable bookmark features (the colored buttons on the remote) for this inconvenience.

Brandon

when play dts ma or ddthd or unompressed it sayes 5.1 48 khz is this right

YES :cool:

Yes, but with one caveat. You'll have to remember what formats your AVR supports on optical because, in my experience, every time you switch to a different audio output format and back to optical, you have to tell the PS3 what formats and bitrates to send.

Yep, that's an annoyance. It forgets its marbles when I switch back to hdmi, and have to check everything again.

Hey All ...
My Brother-in-Law has a PS3 and would like to install Linux so he can browse the Internet on Firefox. But he is wondering about whether or not he needs to install a Virus Protection Program to protect his PS3?

Also, after installing Linux, will that operating system disable the ability of the PS3 to play his collection of games?

Hope what I have asked makes sense!

Thanx ... Hope everyone has a great night!

Hi - I'm sorry if I posted this in the wring forum - I bought the 80 gig for Blueray playback a couple weeks back - I think I have it set up correct, pcm to my Denon 4308 and movies sound terrific - My question is as follows - When I play back an SACD my Denon shows "Multi Channel Input" I thought that when an SACD was played back it would be bitstreamed... Am i wrong Or do I need to set anything else up.. Or am I crazy for even worrying about this - Between all the settings on the PS3 and the Denon its very confusing - I pretty much left all the defaults on the PS3 after the firmware upgrade - Is there anything else I should do for better sound/video?

Sorry - Guess it was multiple questions!

Your 80GB PS3 converts the data coming off the SACD disc to high bandwidth, multi-channel LPCM which is what it sends over the HDMI cable. This is the same thing it does with TrueHD and DTS-HD MA tracks from Blu-Ray discs.

Your receiver sees the incoming HDMI LPCM and describes it as "Multichannel".

You are good to go. Everything is working fine.
--Bob

Hey All ...
My Brother-in-Law has a PS3 and would like to install Linux so he can browse the Internet on Firefox. But he is wondering about whether or not he needs to install a Virus Protection Program to protect his PS3?

Also, after installing Linux, will that operating system disable the ability of the PS3 to play his collection of games?

Hope what I have asked makes sense!

Thanx ... Hope everyone has a great night!

Good question, I just installed Yellow Dog Linux and have not yet put any virus protection. I've been meaning to research that because I am not real linux savvy. I haven't really worried about it because I just go to a few sites that I go to on a regular basis on my PC...and I don't use the PS3 for everyday browsing.

The Game OS is fully protected. The only thing he has to do is backup any game data, video, or audio files because he will have to repartition the hard drive. YDL has very detailed instructions. It does not affect any game OS functionality.


found a link talking about linux and virus risks... http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus#virus
I'm not going to worry about it

Firmware 2.40 coming on July 2:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/06/30/firmware-v240-faq/

Feature walk-through:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168475

when play dts ma or ddthd or unompressed it sayes 5.1 48 khz is this right

Certainly can be.

for music i want my avr to do all of the decodeing where can i go in the ps3 to change this setting

I have noticed since the last update my PS3 no longer recognizes BD discs.
Has anyone else experienced this ? Since I only use my PS3 to watch BD this is a bit of problem. Any Ideas I thought i would post here before calling sony.

Thanks

Pat

This would seem to me to be an increasing problem.

Pat, after what fw update did you experience a read problem?

In my case I think it was after 2.25. Long story, but after hours of trying resets, on the phone with sony "tech support" etc. It was off to repair land, for their oh so gracious "limited time offer of US $149.00" to fix the problem for a 3 week out of warranty unit.

My original 60G unit was not sent back, a refurb came instead.

Search the web and the reliability of the drive in the PS3 comes into question.

My refurb with a 3 month warranty is working fine as I type.

What is interesting as an aside, is the fact that over now, perhaps 25 years in dealing with optical drives, only two have failed. Both were sony products.

The rest, too many to count, seem to still be working for their intended purpose.

sony must know what is going on here with the drive in the PS3.

Joe

Good question, I just installed Yellow Dog Linux and have not yet put any virus protection. I've been meaning to research that because I am not real linux savvy. I haven't really worried about it because I just go to a few sites that I go to on a regular basis on my PC...and I don't use the PS3 for everyday browsing.

The Game OS is fully protected. The only thing he has to do is backup any game data, video, or audio files because he will have to repartition the hard drive. YDL has very detailed instructions. It does not affect any game OS functionality.


found a link talking about linux and virus risks... http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus#virus (http://linuxmafia.com/%7Erick/faq/index.php?page=virus#virus)
I'm not going to worry about it


Thanx ... Zama89

My Brother-in-Law will rest a lot easier knowing that the game system will still function.

AVS is the BEST! Every time I have asked a question, someone has pulled through for me! I hope the day will arrive when I may know something to help someone else out!

Now if someone needs to know something about TRUCKIN', I might be able to help them out. LOL!

Have a Great Day and Holiday coming up, My Friend!

I'm thinking about getting a PS3 for Blue-Ray. Will a PS3 player play
PS2 games?

Thanks Petrovy, I appreciate the heads up. It will help me avoid griping and moaning later.

I've got an extensive library of DVD's about 730 or so - perhaps even 750. Got any examples Imight be able to check out and see if any particular DVD won't have the resume play feature work on it? I know it's an odd request, but it would be much appreciated.

I'm new to the forums, so it's nice to meet you btw. :)

The Java Blu-Rays won't work with the resume feature. It's just the way the discs are authored and no fault of the PS3 or any other blu-ray player.

I'm thinking about getting a PS3 for Blue-Ray. Will a PS3 player play
PS2 games?
short answer: Only the 60gig, or the 80gig
Search is your friend for more details.

Search the web and the reliability of the drive in the PS3 comes into question.

Search the web, and the reliability of any product comes into question. I believe you are overstating the issue.

Brandon

On the PS3

Go to Settings > BD/DVD Settings

Scroll down to BD 1080p 24hz Output (HDMI) and change to OFF

The volume on SD and BD are too low when decoded in the PS3, so the PS3's gain is just too low which makes it a PS3 issue. It's a very minor issue that handled by setting the PS3 volume to +1.

The volume on SD and BD are too low when decoded in the PS3, so the PS3's gain is just too low which makes it a PS3 issue. It's a very minor issue that handled by setting the PS3 volume to +1.

No, it's handled by turning up the receiver's volume to the desired level. Using the internal volume in the PS3 can introduce noise and distortion into the signal.

Help! I'm having a strange issue with my PS3 outputing 720p games on my 1080p HDTV.

My PS3 is set to ouput at 1080p. On my 1080p HDTV's information/display screen, it shows the PS3 inputing a signal of 1280x720 @ 60hz. How come when I have the TV at 1:1 pixel mapping, the 720p picture fills in the entire screen? If the TV detects the signal at 720p and its on 1:1 pixel mapping, shouldn't the picture have black borders and NOT fill up the entire screen?

Is it because the PS3 upconverts 720p to 1080p (which is what I have it set to)? That would explain it but why does my HDTV say the incoming signal is 720p?

Can the PS3 output a Blue-Ray movie in 480i with any of it's video output options?
Same question but for standard DVD movies?

Just wondering since I've seen the comments about some lack of 480i support with the PS3. If I buy one, it's going to be hooked up to my old Toshiba 65" widescreen that only accepts 480i until I get my projector. Thanks.

Dan

Can the PS3 output a Blue-Ray movie in 480i with any of it's video output options?
Same question but for standard DVD movies?

Yes and yes.

I'm actually using my PS3 with a non-HDTV. It outputs 480i through the composite output that the system comes with.

No, it's handled by turning up the receiver's volume to the desired level. Using the internal volume in the PS3 can introduce noise and distortion into the signal.

Agreed. I tried increasing the PS3's internal volume and there was obvious distortion. Many people here have said that +1 is ok, but +2 causes problems. I ended up leaving mine at 0...+1 might be safe for the most part but I don't want any dynamic peaks being distorted. Compensating by turning up the receiver's volume a notch or two is a much better way to deal with it IMO.

I have a Yahmaha HTR-5550 and I just bought a PS3 last night, oooboy! anyway, i was wondering what setting for sound output with optical i should use? Thanks.

Previously asked and answered.

See the first post in the PS3 as a Blu-Ray Player FAQ thread here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=979687

--Bob

Hey All ...

I know this a Stupid Unnecessary Idiotic Question, but Me Gonna Ask It Anyway!

With computers, after having untold amounts of data being saved over time, the computer starts slowing down and may even start crashing.

So as you may expect, I'm asking will the same thing happen to the PS3's?

After saving a lot of data on the PS3, won't it also start slowing down and crashing?

Please forgive us Ole Retired Truckers fer not knowin' much about the world. After all, the only things we know about the world, we learned through a WINDSHEILD!

Ya All Have A Great Day!

No, it's handled by turning up the receiver's volume to the desired level. Using the internal volume in the PS3 can introduce noise and distortion into the signal.No problems what so ever at reference level on my system at +1.

Hey All ...

I know this a Stupid Unnecessary Idiotic Question, but Me Gonna Ask It Anyway!

With computers, after having untold amounts of data being saved over time, the computer starts slowing down and may even start crashing.

So as you may expect, I'm asking will the same thing happen to the PS3's?

After saving a lot of data on the PS3, won't it also start slowing down and crashing?

Please forgive us Ole Retired Truckers fer not knowin' much about the world. After all, the only things we know about the world, we learned through a WINDSHEILD!

Ya All Have A Great Day!



I'd say that is symptomatic of a poorly designed OS or file system. The PS3 probably does not have this problem.

something tells me that he was being sarcastic.

Well that is good to know, I guess the ps3 stays then!

Is there any mainstream audio format then that is not supported by ps3? I'm trying to make sure I dont get any surprises AFTER the 30 day period I can return the thing.

FLAC files are not supported and need to be transcoded by something; I'm hoping in the next firmware update...

FLAC files are not supported and need to be transcoded by something; I'm hoping in the next firmware update...
And the PS3 can not play music that is protected by a proprietary copy protection scheme -- such as DRM protected music downloads from Apple's iTunes store.
--Bob

Search the web, and the reliability of any product comes into question. I believe you are overstating the issue.

Brandon

Just stated the facts from my experience. The drive failed immediately after a FW update. Sony claimed it was not related. During the trouble shooting a message was received indicating that a new FW was needed. v.2.35 installed and actually made things worse. Prior to 2.35 Redbook CD's would play (not DVD's or BD's though). After 2.35 CD's would not read.

Sounds like a SW issue to me.

Joe

Guys are you using the PS3 HDMI cable or did you buy some other cable? Because I bought the PS3 HDMI cable and it sucks. It won't work on HDMI port 1 and 2, and works badly on HDMI 3. I tried my other HDMI cable that came with my Oppo dvd player with the PS3 and it works flawlessly. So, did I just get a faulty cable or do they all suck?

I'm using a cheap monoprice.com HDMI cable, all my HDMI cables come from monoprice. Never had a problem with any of them.

Hey All ...

I know this a Stupid Unnecessary Idiotic Question, but Me Gonna Ask It Anyway!

With computers, after having untold amounts of data being saved over time, the computer starts slowing down and may even start crashing.

So as you may expect, I'm asking will the same thing happen to the PS3's?

After saving a lot of data on the PS3, won't it also start slowing down and crashing?

Please forgive us Ole Retired Truckers fer not knowin' much about the world. After all, the only things we know about the world, we learned through a WINDSHEILD!

Ya All Have A Great Day!



I assume you are referring to Windows. I assume you have never used Mac OS X. I have had mine for a year and my previous one for 4 years with no slowdown or crashes. Also, all DVRs including Tivo, Directv, dish etc use operating systems and disk and they seem to run fine!

Guys are you using the PS3 HDMI cable or did you buy some other cable? Because I bought the PS3 HDMI cable and it sucks. It won't work on HDMI port 1 and 2, and works badly on HDMI 3. I tried my other HDMI cable that came with my Oppo dvd player with the PS3 and it works flawlessly. So, did I just get a faulty cable or do they all suck?

If you bought a Sony-branded HDMI cable that doesn't work, obviously it's defective. Get your money back if you can, but certainly insist on one that works.

btw, I too am using Monoprice HDMI cables exclusively (5 HDMI devices in my system) with no issues

Yes and yes.

I'm actually using my PS3 with a non-HDTV. It outputs 480i through the composite output that the system comes with.

So the blu-ray movies will downconvert to 480i? That would be great. I can start buying the blu-ray movies that I want and can then watch them in HD when I get my projector. I just want to be certain before I plop money down on a PS3.

Dan

Yeah I'll exchange it for another on tomorrow.

Also guys I have another problem I just noticed. When playing 4x3 dvds my PS3 cuts a little of both sides of the image. I don't think it's my tv since my Oppo dvd player is connected to that same tv and displays the full image without cutting the sides. Anyone else noticed this? How can I fix it? If it's just the dvds it's fine, since I will be playing them on my dvd player. But if it cuts the sides of 4x3 Blu-rays then that sucks.

just got this ps3 and already having problems when i put a bd's like the new rambo or day after tomorro the ps3 says can't read disc has anyone else had this problem.and if so how can i fix it

Just stated the facts from my experience. The drive failed immediately after a FW update. Sony claimed it was not related. During the trouble shooting a message was received indicating that a new FW was needed. v.2.35 installed and actually made things worse. Prior to 2.35 Redbook CD's would play (not DVD's or BD's though). After 2.35 CD's would not read.

Sounds like a SW issue to me.

Software or Hardware?

- If it were software, wouldn't the effects (e.g. "failures") be seen throughout the PS3 community? Or at least a noticeably-sized group of failures? This has not happened, nor been reported here.

- If it were hardware-related issues, there would be a large number of people ragging on Sony similar to the MS Xbox360 Ring-of-Death epidemic. I think it's safe to say that there are a LARGE group of people waiting for any sort of mass PS3 failure to occur so they can troll on Sony. This has not happened (yet), nor been reported here.

I too, have an original-spec 60Gb unit bought a day after release. It is loud and puts out a lot of heat, but works like a champ (knock on wood).

There is no mass failure of anything for the PS3 (yet). But it does seem that you have some form of hardware failure. End of story.

After saving a lot of data on the PS3, won't it also start slowing down and crashing?



I don't think so. That being said, it does not mean the PS3 will not ever crash. Crashes on PS3 can happen but compared to Windows Operating Systems (regualr computers) the PS3 should be pretty stable (Unless you were playing GTAIV right after the game launched) .:D



Ya All Have A Great Day!



You too.

I'd say that is symptomatic of a poorly designed OS or file system. The PS3 probably does not have this problem.


I assume you are referring to Windows. I assume you have never used Mac OS X. I have had mine for a year and my previous one for 4 years with no slowdown or crashes. Also, all DVRs including Tivo, Directv, dish etc use operating systems and disk and they seem to run fine!


Hey Guys ...

Thanx fer the answers, I feel a lot better knowing that I were just bein' an Idiot fer nothin'!

Ya All Have A Great Evenin'!

just got this ps3 and already having problems when i put a bd's like the new rambo or day after tomorro the ps3 says can't read disc has anyone else had this problem.and if so how can i fix it

The first thing to do is to upgrade to latest fw, if not already done. If still NG....you may have an optical drive failure....take it back to the store, get a new console, and don't even bother w/Sony service.

I don't think so. That being said, it does not mean the PS3 will not ever crash. Crashes on PS3 can happen but compared to Windows Operating Systems (regualr computers) the PS3 should be pretty stable (Unless you were playing GTAIV right after the game launched) .:D


My PS3 has been running really well except for the internet browser. That thing constantly crashes (maybe I should say "freezes" as it doesn't actually destroy the hard drive) the PS3 op system. So far the web browser seems to be one of the weakest features of the PS3.

Okay, this has probably been asked and answered many times but I can't find it. I just purchased a new Integra 7.8 receiver to get all the new HD audio codecs. I was told to set my PS3 to LPCM to get the HD audio formats, however my receiver is still not flagging them and am not getting the audio formats that I want. How do I set up my PS3 to get HD audio?

Also guys I have another problem I just noticed. When playing 4x3 dvds my PS3 cuts a little of both sides of the image. I don't think it's my tv since my Oppo dvd player is connected to that same tv and displays the full image without cutting the sides. Anyone else noticed this? How can I fix it? If it's just the dvds it's fine, since I will be playing them on my dvd player. But if it cuts the sides of 4x3 Blu-rays then that sucks.

You do know what 4:3 means, right?

Yeah I'll exchange it for another on tomorrow.

Also guys I have another problem I just noticed. When playing 4x3 dvds my PS3 cuts a little of both sides of the image. I don't think it's my tv since my Oppo dvd player is connected to that same tv and displays the full image without cutting the sides. Anyone else noticed this? How can I fix it? If it's just the dvds it's fine, since I will be playing them on my dvd player. But if it cuts the sides of 4x3 Blu-rays then that sucks.

You do know what 4:3 means, right?

I don't think he does.

Also, I'm not sure but I think there are very few 4:3 Blu-Rays, if any. Not sure about the PS3 but your TV will have an option to stretch 4:3 to fit the screen if you have a widescreen TV.

I don't think he does. Also, I'm not sure but I think there are very few 4:3 Blu-Rays, if any.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_(image)

I do know. I'm not stupid I know the black bars on the sides are normal. When playing 4x3 dvds sometimes words written near the side of the screen that are entirely visible on my Oppo dvd player are missing a few letters on my PS3. And I know that there are very few 4:3 Blu-Rays, but they are coming. Criterion is releasing The Third Man in Blu-Ray later this year and I'm getting that for sure.

So far the web browser seems to be one of the weakest features of the PS3.

Definitely.

Brandon

Okay, this has probably been asked and answered many times but I can't find it. I just purchased a new Integra 7.8 receiver to get all the new HD audio codecs. I was told to set my PS3 to LPCM to get the HD audio formats, however my receiver is still not flagging them and am not getting the audio formats that I want. How do I set up my PS3 to get HD audio?

The PS3 is doing the decoding and sending the audio as PCM. Your receiver will probably just display PCM, LPCM, Multi-channel... If the PS3 was sending audio as bitstream (which it can't do) for your receiver to decode it would flag the formats.

Heres my sitution...

I've posted in the past about how my bose receiver sucks and doesnt have an optial input. I've finally broken down and got an adapter that converts optical to a digital coax cable. I've sent that into my receiver but get no sound when I change my receiver to AUX. If I am reading the manual correctly the receiver wants the red/white analog input to be sent simultaneously with the digital signal. The manual says if a digital signal is detected it will use that signal, otherwise it will default to the AUX. It should be getting the digital signal from my ps3 but isnt for some reason..

Anyone provide some insight?

First thing's first, you weren't using optical before, so did you change the audio output over to optical and confirm the change with the 'x' button?

If you've already done that, I would unplug the red/white analog cables just so your receiver isn't confused as to which input to accept.

Brandon

PS3 Software V2.40 is available now for download via the System Update portion of Settings (in the XMB) for PS3 units that are on the internet. See the V2.40 Firmware thread in this forum for details. Remember you need to use the original game controller to do the update -- not your Sony Blu-Ray controller and not any style of IR controller connected via an IR2BT gizmo or the like.
--Bob

Remember you need to use the original game controller to do the update -- not your Sony Blu-Ray controller and not any style of IR controller connected via an IR2BT gizmo or the like.
--Bob

Sorry, but I'm a bit confused by this and don't want to get it wrong.

When you say Blu-Ray controller, do you mean Bluetooth remote?
I was planning on using a controller connected by the USB cable. Thanks.

this ps3 is starting to piss me off i got the new update and it wont play my blu-ray's

I installed the new revision 2.40 update and blu-ray works fine for me. I'm currently watching Spiderman3. All audio modes also work fine. :D

Sorry, but I'm a bit confused by this and don't want to get it wrong.

When you say Blu-Ray controller, do you mean Bluetooth remote?
I was planning on using a controller connected by the USB cable. Thanks.
When doing a software update in the PS3, use the original game controller that came with the PS3. Do not use Sony's optional Blu-Ray BlueTooth controller for example.

I always plug in the game controller via the USB cable when doing a software install, but I *THINK* it will also work wirelessly.

The issue is that that game controller is paired to Port 1 and Port 1 has special privileges which are apparently essential when you are installing a software update.
--Bob

PS3 V2.40 seems to be fine for Blu-Ray playback for me. I've got one playing now (DTS-HD MA too).

However, V2.40 appears to have broken the process by which the IR2BT remote control converter sets up to communicate with the PS3 -- but *ONLY* when you power up the PS3 by sending a command through the IR2BT!
--Bob

I always plug in the game controller via the USB cable when doing a software install, but I *THINK* it will also work wirelessly.

--Bob

It does work wirelessly, or at least it did for me.

updates can be performed with the new duel shock3 controller as well they made it wirelessly a long time ago about the 2nd or 3rd update

The PS3 is doing the decoding and sending the audio as PCM. Your receiver will probably just display PCM, LPCM, Multi-channel... If the PS3 was sending audio as bitstream (which it can't do) for your receiver to decode it would flag the formats.

So I am actually getting HD audio but my receiver won't display it because I am sending it via lpcm?

So I am actually getting HD audio but my receiver won't display it because I am sending it via lpcm?
Bingo

PS3 V2.40 seems to be fine for Blu-Ray playback for me. I've got one playing now (DTS-HD MA too).

However, V2.40 appears to have broken the process by which the IR2BT remote control converter sets up to communicate with the PS3 -- but *ONLY* when you power up the PS3 by sending a command through the IR2BT!
--Bob

Bob,
Thanks for the clarification on the controller. :)

It appears you are on to something with regards to IR2BT.
I just received this email from Bruce:

Due to a problem between the IR2BT and Sony’s new 2.40 PS3 firmware, the new round of sales for the IR2BT will NOT happen today as originally planned.

Information on the problem is available here -

http://www.ir2bt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185

We’ll be looking at the issue and want to make sure we have a fix before we open up for sales again.

We will send out another bulk email to this list when a new sales date has been set.

Bruce Mitchell
IR2BT Devices, Inc.

* You can now use the [Frame Noise Reduction] and settings for video content that is saved on the hard disk or storage media.
* You can now play upscaled video content that is saved on the hard disk or storage media. When the video content is played, it is upscaled automatically to match the screen size.
* [B]Upscaling of Blu-ray Disc (BDAV) video content is now supported.
* For DTS playback on DVD-Video and Blu-ray Disc media, DTS-ES and DTS 96/24 for DVD-Video and DTS-ES Matrix for Blu-ray Discs are now supported.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11799026&postcount=741

Hmm, I noticed it can play surround mp3's too.

Can anybody confirm DTS ES on DVD performs differently than it did before this update?

Brandon

Just as a point of reference, how long does downloading the new firmware usually take. I am downloading it now. It seems to go pretty slowly.