Ok i am new a this but i love researching! Yes the optical audio out will support PCM. Optical audio is still digital audio.
As for the video, i was incorrect using the phrase Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr. Its actually YCbCr, which is what is used in all digital video formats. Since the tv you have has 10-bit video processing, there is less loss of the video signal. (As opposed to 8-bit processing). "The signal has not been RGB since it left the camera or telecine. Video is stored, processed, composited, edited, transmitted, compressed and decompressed in the YCbCr domain. There is no "original" RGB signal to be had." So again, the less conversion going on, the better.
Hope that helps!

keep in mind that if you are using the optical out on the ps3 for audio and you select "uncompressed 5.1" audio track on a bluray dvd you will not get a 5.1 uncompressed signal through the optical out....you will get the signal down converted to 2ch pcm in the playstation and your receiver will then have to convert that 2ch pcm signal to pro logic, neo6,etc. standard dd or dts work fine with the ps3 optical connection....but not uncompressed 5.1, dd true hd or dts hd. you can only get these audio tracks when connecting to a av receiver with hdmi 1.2 or 1.3 inputs or using 5.1 analog outs on the back of bluray player...which the ps3 does not come equiped with.

Let me get this straight. My Samsung 46" DLP HDTV is a 720p and not a 1080p. If I were to hook up a PS3 to it via HDMI and wanted to play a blu-ray disk, it won't play? I'm a bit confused as to why the PS3 won't play blu-ray disks in 720p.Blu-ray movies are encoded in 1080p. There are normally two options for 720p display: 1. Player down-converts to 720p 2. TV down-converts to 720p. In both cases, down conversion will be required. Since, PS3 doesn't have a scaler to down-convert, you will have to output 1080i/p and let your TV down-convert to 720p. You should get the same result in both case since it is down conversion and generally it is not that bad on TVs. Select 1080i/p as highest resolution on PS3. I hope this helps. [I also have 720p display]

I called Sony about the lock ups and had to reset my system and now am downloading new firmware. I had no lockups after restoring my system but I hope this firmware update 1.32 will not screw things up again.

KDragon, how is the PQ when selecting 1080i/p as the resolution on the PS3, when using a 720p HDTV display? BTW will this 720p issue be fixed in future firmware upgrades? Thanks...

How does the PS3 generate the 1080p60 output. Is it doing the same as the other players - 1080p24->1080i60->1080p60? Or is it going directly from 1080p24->1080p60?
Which mode would be best to feed to a VP?

Let me get this straight. My Samsung 46" DLP HDTV is a 720p and not a 1080p. If I were to hook up a PS3 to it via HDMI and wanted to play a blu-ray disk, it won't play? I'm a bit confused as to why the PS3 won't play blu-ray disks in 720p.

It will play fine the at 480P or 1080i not just 720p. PS3 will not currently output 720P on blueray disc. I output 1080i and let the TV do the downscaling. Normally the PS3 would do the down scaling but somehow this is not supported at the moment. Luckily for me my TV does an excellent job of de-interlacing and scaling.... Its not big deal for and should not be for you as your TV should have a Faroudja DCDI chip....

Sean

KDragon, how is the PQ when selecting 1080i/p as the resolution on the PS3, when using a 720p HDTV display? BTW will this 720p issue be fixed in future firmware upgrades? Thanks...


no one knows when the issue will be addressed.

It looks totally awesome. better than any other HD source 720P, 1080i or otherwise I have seen from OTA or DirectTV. extremely impressive...

Sean

Sean so you too are using a 720p HDTV? BTW how does Sony's PS3's compare with the Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on? I would be curious as a side by side comparison in both PQ and audio.

KDragon, how is the PQ when selecting 1080i/p as the resolution on the PS3, when using a 720p HDTV display? BTW will this 720p issue be fixed in future firmware upgrades? Thanks...

For me, the PQ is excellent on movies such as X-Men 3, Black Hawk Down, Little Man, Kingdom of Heaven, and Underworld: Evolution. I have a 720p native HDTV and the ps3 is set at 1080i. I have no stand alone blu ray players or hd-dvd players to compare it to.

Brandon

Thanks for the feedback guys.

BTW how does Sony's PS3's compare with the Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on? I would be curious as a side by side comparison in both PQ and audio.

I don't have an XBOX 360, but I've heard that its fan is quite a bit louder compared to the PS3. Also, the XBOX 360 doesn't have HDMI out, so you can't experience the new advanced codecs (such as Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD... DTS-HD decoding is expected with a future firmware upgrade). The PS3 can either pass the new codecs via HDMI 1.3 interface, or decode them internally and output them via LPCM. Thus, IMO, the PS3 is superior (assuming that they can resolve the freeze problem). The following is a comparison of the two:


http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_ps3vsxbox360addon.html

Sean so you too are using a 720p HDTV? BTW how does Sony's PS3's compare with the Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on? I would be curious as a side by side comparison in both PQ and audio.

i have a toshiba 62' dlp with 720p native resolution. im using the ps3 at 1080i and letting the set convert the 1080 to 720 internally and the results are great. no worrys.....btw i find that evrything looks better sent to my set in 1080 and letting the set convert. i've tried hdtv, upcoverted dvd, hd-dvd all in 720p and 1080i on my display....and 1080i wins out in pq everytime. but, everyones results will very depending on equipment used.

ps....my set has been calibrated by an ISF certified tech and meets or is a close to standard as possible, just incase someone brings up calibration.

I don't have an XBOX 360, but I've heard that its fan is quite a bit louder compared to the PS3. Also, the XBOX 360 doesn't have HDMI out, so you can't experience the new advanced codecs (such as Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD... DTS-HD decoding is expected with a future firmware upgrade). The PS3 can either pass the new codecs via HDMI 1.3 interface, or decode them internally and output them via LPCM. Thus, IMO, the PS3 is superior (assuming that they can resolve the freeze problem). The following is a comparison of the two:


http://www.highdefdigest.com/feature_ps3vsxbox360addon.html
what feeeze problem?

i have a toshiba 62' dlp with 720p native resolution. im using the ps3 at 1080i and letting the set convert the 1080 to 720 internally and the results are great. no worrys.....btw i find that evrything looks better sent to my set in 1080 and letting the set convert. i've tried hdtv, upcoverted dvd, hd-dvd all in 720p and 1080i on my display....and 1080i wins out in pq everytime. but, everyones results will very depending on equipment used.

ps....my set has been calibrated by an ISF certified tech and meets or is a close to standard as possible, just incase someone brings up calibration.

I also have a 720P Native DLP and find the same thing here whether its the Tivo or the Xbox my TV does a better job on de-interlacing and scaling... The Faroudja DCDi does a damn good job...

and I don't own a a 360 or HD-DVD

I didn't buy the PS3 for games...

I bought for movies and to run linux and try to use a media center...

since xbox360 is totally locked and no one has hacked it to run unsigned code and Linux runs on the PS3 I bought one. XBMC on xbox will continue to be my primary media centers but this is something to play with and hook up to my new Front Projector in the dedicated theather room....

All the comparos say 360 games currently look better but I tell you the lack of HDMI is a big deal... To hook up the PS3 to my TV I unhooked my High def Tivo from the HDMI and used component and it looks much much worse. I am going to order an HDMI switcher tonight...

Sean

what feeeze problem?

There seems to be some random lockups playing BD Roms... I am testing 1.32 to see if that fixed it. So far 4+ hours and no hangs...

Sean

Some 720P displays do take a 1080i signal, scale it to 540P and then upscale that to 720P though....

KDragon, how is the PQ when selecting 1080i/p as the resolution on the PS3, when using a 720p HDTV display? BTW will this 720p issue be fixed in future firmware upgrades? Thanks...Picture quality is excellent. I think my TV also has good scaling. However, in the end it depends on what you are comparing it with. I hooked it up to a 1080p monitor (Dell 23" monitor) to see the difference sitting really close, and I must say, I will be upgrading to a 1080p TV (or projector) soon! :) Other than that, I am fine with quality.

About scaler, I think Sony has not made any comment yet. As long as your TV accepts 1080i, you should not have to worry about PS3's scaler. I would have bypassed it even if existed.

Picture quality is excellent. I think my TV also has good scaling. However, in the end it depends on what you are comparing it with. I hooked it up to a 1080p monitor (Dell 23" monitor) to see the difference sitting really close, and I must say, I will be upgrading to a 1080p TV (or projector) soon! :) Other than that, I am fine with quality.

About scaler, I think Sony has not made any comment yet. As long as your TV accepts 1080i, you should not have to worry about PS3's scaler. I would have bypassed it even if existed.

The PS3's GPU most certainly has HW assist for scaling. Even if it didn't the PS3 has enough computing HW to do scaling and de-interlacing better than anything out there if they choose to write software for it. Clearly its scaling 1080P to 480P so it has the ablity to scale but for some odd reason not 720p. I have to beleive this will corrected... According to the Japanese interview translation posted earlier ni the thread the full BD decode only takes 3 SPE's and that is more expensive from a CPU perspective than scaling...

but gladly in the mean time my TV deals with 1080i beatifully...

Sean

Anyone having issue with blank dvd media? Two disc today, locked up on me. On one of them I had to press the fwd button. Went back to the same spot and it played fine. On the other one had to restart the movie over again (title screen). Had no problems with these disc on my Oppo player. btw no issue with two blu ray disc. latest fw.

Early adopters will experience these issues. Like buying a new car the first year out. There is bound to be problems. THe xbox hd drive also experiences these RCOD (red circle of death). One time it took about 10 minutes to resolve the problem.

Heres my Update on my whole situation.

It was my HDMI cable all along that was causing the problem. Well..it wasnt actually the cable that was the problem, but the TV and the PS3 wont work together. Im almost certain this is a firmware that caused this, the first 3 weeks I had my PS3..it played all my Blu Ray movies now. But after the firmware updates, my HDMI cable freezes my Blu Ray movies. Now that I switched over to Component cables..the Blu Rays play fine.

I was having trouble with the Component tho. After hooking it up, the Blu Ray movies were this wierd yellow color.

I found out the problem with the off colors. Because I have my Nintendo Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 all hooked up to the TV, my family got this reciever thing where all the units plug into it, then you just hit the switch when you want it to show up on that channel.

I pulled out the PS3 component cables from the reciver and plugged them directly into the TV. Now the colors are back to normal.

SO now..I have to figure out how to hook up my other systems again. But I now know my PS3 is fine, and the HDMI issue was with the TV.

Im not 100% satisfied, because I think the quality has went down when I went from HDMI to AV Component.

Heres my Update on my whole situation.

It was my HDMI cable all along that was causing the problem. Well..it wasnt actually the cable that was the problem, but the TV and the PS3 wont work together. Im almost certain this is a firmware that caused this, the first 3 weeks I had my PS3..it played all my Blu Ray movies now. But after the firmware updates, my HDMI cable freezes my Blu Ray movies. Now that I switched over to Component cables..the Blu Rays play fine.

I was having trouble with the Component tho. After hooking it up, the Blu Ray movies were this wierd yellow color.

I found out the problem with the off colors. Because I have my Nintendo Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 all hooked up to the TV, my family got this reciever thing where all the units plug into it, then you just hit the switch when you want it to show up on that channel.

I pulled out the PS3 component cables from the reciver and plugged them directly into the TV. Now the colors are back to normal.

SO now..I have to figure out how to hook up my other systems again. But I now know my PS3 is fine, and the HDMI issue was with the TV.

Im not 100% satisfied, because I think the quality has went down when I went from HDMI to AV Component.

i tried to use my old PS2 component cables but I wasnt able to get to anything higher than 480p... when you look at the settings in the menu do you still see 18080i, 720p ? Luckily my tv has DVI saw I bought a hdmi to dvi from monoprice

They said 5-8 days AFTER they receive my unit. I have downloaded a game from Sony web site which I paid for. I asked them today what happens to the game I paid for if I send them my system. They said too bad for me, I would lose it and would have to purchase it again since there is no way to get the game to transfer to my PC to save it!

I tried to watch another blu-ray movie tonight called "Click" and for some reason it played the entire movie WITHOUT freezing once!! The only thing different this time is that I paused the movie a few times to get drinks & snacks. Maybe it is a buffer problem and if the data from the disk overfills the buffers it gets locked up and when you pause it it has time to catch up??

I will try more disks with & without using the pause to see if that changes anything because I really don't want to go through the big hassel of sending it back.

With the Xbox 360 you can always redownload anything you paid for no additional fees

Muh? Negative. Hook up the HDMI to your Sammy & run an optical audio cable from the PS3 to your receiver. You can select optical audio out to run in conjunction with hdmi.
The less the video signal is up/down converted, the better. It wont be that hard to test both & see which works best for you. Youre not getting 1080p from anything but a 1080p signal, however the tv will upconvert everything into 1080p since it is its native resolution.
You should be very happy with the tv by the way. I have a sammy 5688 & love it. Although i am considering that new sub $1k mitsu projector simply for a larger screen..... I just watched Black Hawk Down yesterday & it was absolutely awesome in HD. In your ps3 settings select the Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr, it makes even more of a difference with the Samsung.

leave the hdmi going to the receiver. If you use the optical cable you wont get the 5.1 uncompressed audio over the optical cable

i tried to use my old PS2 component cables but I wasnt able to get to anything higher than 480p... when you look at the settings in the menu do you still see 18080i, 720p ? Luckily my tv has DVI saw I bought a hdmi to dvi from monoprice

I hooked up my PS3 using the PS2 component cables I had and I got 720p on gameplay and 1080i on Blu Ray playback. And with component you have to manually select the resolution your tv supports one by one. I don't believe you can select them all at once.

BTW, I could only hope to see '18080i' in the menu settings ;)

Brandon

keep in mind that if you are using the optical out on the ps3 for audio and you select "uncompressed 5.1" audio track on a bluray dvd you will not get a 5.1 uncompressed signal through the optical out....you will get the signal down converted to 2ch pcm in the playstation and your receiver will then have to convert that 2ch pcm signal to pro logic, neo6,etc. standard dd or dts work fine with the ps3 optical connection....but not uncompressed 5.1, dd true hd or dts hd. you can only get these audio tracks when connecting to a av receiver with hdmi 1.2 or 1.3 inputs or using 5.1 analog outs on the back of bluray player...which the ps3 does not come equiped with.

I have a three year old arcam av-8 which does not have HDMI inputs. So I have connected an optical cable from my ps3 to the optical input in my arcam. Last night when I watched MI 3 in blue ray I was not getting dd.
Do I select bit stream or linear pcm in my audio setting in the ps3. Also do I have to select standard dd in the blu ray dvd menu if such an option exists. Thanks for your input.
Param

I have a panasonic XR70 receiver. Soon I will be purchasing a Playstation 3 (I hope!) and a Sony 1080P TV that accepts 1080P via its HDMI input. If I connect a Playstation 3 (which can 1080P of course) via the Panasonic XR70 HDMI input and the XR70 HDMI output to the Sony 1080P TV HDMI input, will it pass the 1080P signal OK and leave it 1080P? I've heard the XR70 receiver HDMI input is ver 1.1 and the HDMI output is ver 1 and I just wanted to be sure 1080P would be passed OK. Thanks!

Heres my Update on my whole situation.

It was my HDMI cable all along that was causing the problem. Well..it wasnt actually the cable that was the problem, but the TV and the PS3 wont work together. Im almost certain this is a firmware that caused this, the first 3 weeks I had my PS3..it played all my Blu Ray movies now. But after the firmware updates, my HDMI cable freezes my Blu Ray movies. Now that I switched over to Component cables..the Blu Rays play fine.

I was having trouble with the Component tho. After hooking it up, the Blu Ray movies were this wierd yellow color.

I found out the problem with the off colors. Because I have my Nintendo Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 all hooked up to the TV, my family got this reciever thing where all the units plug into it, then you just hit the switch when you want it to show up on that channel.

I pulled out the PS3 component cables from the reciver and plugged them directly into the TV. Now the colors are back to normal.

SO now..I have to figure out how to hook up my other systems again. But I now know my PS3 is fine, and the HDMI issue was with the TV.

Im not 100% satisfied, because I think the quality has went down when I went from HDMI to AV Component.

The HDMI connection is less than 100% effective. I tried very hard to get my SA 8300HD to work with my Samsung 6188, using HDMI, finally giving up. I've read many comments that the digital cable boxes have HDMI "handshake" problems with a number of sets. My PS3 works fine, go figure. But, I can tell you that I bought an HDMI cable from Monoprice that didn't work. I went to a local computer store and bought a non-descript brand for $10. It worked fine. I figure its got to be sunspots.

My point is these things can be touchy. If you haven't done so already, try another cable. In my case I'm not going to download the updates until the freezing problem is identified and fixed.

I have a three year old arcam av-8 which does not have HDMI inputs. So I have connected an optical cable from my ps3 to the optical input in my arcam. Last night when I watched MI 3 in blue ray I was not getting dd.
Do I select bit stream or linear pcm in my audio setting in the ps3. Also do I have to select standard dd in the blu ray dvd menu if such an option exists. Thanks for your input.
Param


select bit stream, not linear PCM....

take the high quality audio on the BD and see if your pre-amp will decode it . If not tone it down....

do far my DTS pre-amp will recognize everything on the disc set to bitstream. Generally this turns out to be DTS at 1.5 Mbps and it does sound better than DVD...

Sean

i tried to use my old PS2 component cables but I wasnt able to get to anything higher than 480p... when you look at the settings in the menu do you still see 18080i, 720p ? Luckily my tv has DVI saw I bought a hdmi to dvi from monopriceIn case you have not received the DVI <-> HDMI cable yet: It should work perfectly. I tried one temporarily for my 1080p computer monitor. I left the BD color selection to "auto" instead of manually selecting RGB or YCbCr.

Anyone having issue with blank dvd media? Two disc today, locked up on me. On one of them I had to press the fwd button. Went back to the same spot and it played fine. On the other one had to restart the movie over again (title screen). Had no problems with these disc on my Oppo player. btw no issue with two blu ray disc. latest fw.

I'm not but I have only tried 2 discs. Having gone through several DVD players that all "supported" blank dvd media I can tell you the OPPO handles things better than anything I have ever used. Basically - we're just spoiled. If OPPO made a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player it would be the one to buy I'm sure.

I hooked up my PS3 using the PS2 component cables I had and I got 720p on gameplay and 1080i on Blu Ray playback. And with component you have to manually select the resolution your tv supports one by one. I don't believe you can select them all at once.

BTW, I could only hope to see '18080i' in the menu settings ;)

Brandon
i have the mad catz component cable and i tried a number of times to get it to work above 480p... but never could

In case you have not received the DVI <-> HDMI cable yet: It should work perfectly. I tried one temporarily for my 1080p computer monitor. I left the BD color selection to "auto" instead of manually selecting RGB or YCbCr.

thanks, i received my cable on wednsday.... im very happy with it... with my tv if i select ycbcr i get purplish color when i watch blu ray movies...so like you i put back on automatic... now the hardest thing is deciding if i want to keep my hd dvd addon for my Xbox360

I would definitely keep the 360 addon. Why not have the best of both worlds?

I'm not but I have only tried 2 discs. Having gone through several DVD players that all "supported" blank dvd media I can tell you the OPPO handles things better than anything I have ever used. Basically - we're just spoiled. If OPPO made a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player it would be the one to buy I'm sure.


getting some weird issue with sd dvds. I have some dvd-r and apparently the ps3 is not reading them. dvd+r discs seems fine, but the issue is dvd-r. I then drop in LOTR ext. disc and it gives me an issue, saying that "wrong disc" Dont know whats going. The LOTR disc is a retail disc. Had to reboot the system in order for the ps3 to read LOTR disc. dont know whats going on.... Any Suggestions? Thanks

I got the good news today that I am getting a PS3 for Christmas. After reading a lot of this thread I wanted to ask a few things in regards to setting it up correctly. I had no problems setting up my HD-A2, so I hope PS3 works the same way.
Since the PS3 does not seem to support 720P output for BD, when I am asked to select the resolutions my TV supports should I check both 1080i and 720P, in addition to 480P?
I will be using HDMI from PS3 to monoprice 5X1 HDMI switcher, to Samsung HL-R 4667W DLP. Obviously, this TV is 720P native, and can accept 1080i signal. So, I want the PS3 to output 1080i since it seems to work fine.
Since I was be using optical audio output, I would assume just like the A2, I select bitstream to get 5.1 compressed AC3 audio, and leave all the PCM and LPCM unchecked?
Lastly, do I need to plug in the composite cables in at first until HDMI and optical settings are configured?
I'm sure these have been asked or answered, for that I apologize. I would just like to be able to open the PS3 up on Christmas and set it up and watch a BD and play a game with no problems on my end. Thank you!

Quick question, has anyone seen the PS3 remote anywhere in the Toronto area?

Since the PS3 does not seem to support 720P output for BD, when I am asked to select the resolutions my TV supports should I check both 1080i and 720P, in addition to 480P?Yes.

Since I was be using optical audio output, I would assume just like the A2, I select bitstream to get 5.1 compressed AC3 audio, and leave all the PCM and LPCM unchecked?Yes.

Lastly, do I need to plug in the composite cables in at first until HDMI and optical settings are configured?I don't think so.

I was planning on holding off a while longer, but with all of the PS3 sightings I'm wondering if I should put one on my X-mas list. I've been reading through threads and trying to find Sony documentation, but still don't have a real idea of what is required to used a PS3 solely as a Blu-ray player. I have zero interest in games. Can I Just connect this up to my HD display, stereo and power outlet and simply put in a disk and click on the play button? I do realize I need an IR remote as well as the component cables. I don't have access to the ethernet at the TV, but would have no problem taking the PS3 into the office to temporarily connect on occasion.

Is there anything that I need to do beyond what you would do with a standard DVD player?

You'll need a BLUETOOTH remote, not IR since there is no IR receiver on the PS3. I just picked up the Sony PS3 bluetooth remote tonight and it works great. You could stick with the SIXAXIS (game controller) if you want, though that's unlikely. Otherwise, you're exactly right that's all you'll need.

This is a great BD player, the fastest out of any BD or HD-DVD player from boot to responsiveness, regardless of the media. ultimateavmag.com gave the PS3 a glowing review. The PS2 component cableds should be all you need, and they worked for mine, though I've since switched to HDMI.

Thanks UxiSXRD,

There were sections in the online manual about setting up accounts and stuff like that. Can I just ignore that if all I want to do is watch Blu-ray movies? I mean how long will it take be from opening the box to watching my first movie? With a DVD player I just set up the TV aspect and maybe mess with the digital audio settings if things to work at first. It seems like I will be using the component for video and digital optical for audio.

Can I Just connect this up to my HD display, stereo and power outlet and simply put in a disk and click on the play button?
Yep. It's even easier than that. If you load the BR or DVD disc during boot, they will just play.

I do realize I need an IR remote as well as the component cables.
If you can, use HDMI. As for IR, the PS3 uses bluetooth (not IR) natively. There are band-aids for using IR (plugging in a USB to PS2 converter so you can use the original PS2 IR remote) remotes, but it's not 100% yet.

I don't have access to the ethernet at the TV, but would have no problem taking the PS3 into the office to temporarily connect on occasion.
That would technically work, but you'd miss out on the online capabilities (trailers, demos, online play, etc.). The online components is cool - and is only getting better.

Is there anything that I need to do beyond what you would do with a standard DVD player?
The remote is the big inconvenience right now. If you can get used to using the PS3 controller as the remote, then you'll be fine. If not, think about it more...

Hope this helps.

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

Maybe it is just me since I've never owned a game console, but I bet there are lots of other old timers out there who are intimidated by the idea of of having a game console for playing movies. It seems that as soon the remote issue gets resolved, Sony needs to get the word out that this thing is a turn-key Blu-ray set-top box.

I was originally going to wait for some kind of dual-format player to come out, but got to thinking...

If I were to get the $499 PS3, I could get Blu-ray discs from my Netflix account for another year or so at no extra cost. At that point I could sell the PS3 at a good resell value and get whatever the hot optical universal player is then (Denon please come through on this one:-). I already have a great SD DVD player so that would not be an issue with the PS3.

I have a panasonic XR70 receiver. Soon I will be purchasing a Playstation 3 (I hope!) and a Sony 1080P TV that accepts 1080P via its HDMI input. If I connect a Playstation 3 (which can 1080P of course) via the Panasonic XR70 HDMI input and the XR70 HDMI output to the Sony 1080P TV HDMI input, will it pass the 1080P signal OK and leave it 1080P? Hmmm. I don't know about the SA-XR70. The SA-XR700 can do a 1080p passthrough (no audio DSP on the 7.1 audio input through HDMI though).

So are you sure you are getting the SA-XR70
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/productImages/7/8/00000104978-PanasonicSAXR70AVreceiver-large.jpeg

instead of the SA-XR700?

http://www.mrmdvd.com/catalog/images/SAXR700.jpg

If the SA-XR70 is an older model, it would probably do up to 1080i only. 5.1-7.1 audio should still play okay.


fuad

Maybe it is just me since I've never owned a game console, but I bet there are lots of other old timers out there who are intimidated by the idea of of having a game console for playing movies. It seems that as soon the remote issue gets resolved, Sony needs to get the word out that this thing is a turn-key Blu-ray set-top box. The remote issue? If you mean availability, it's only begun trickling in US stores now. As for other issues, like no IR, that's up to third-party remote developer to develop remotes that work with the PS3.

If you're getting the cheaper PS3 (without wifi), after unpacking you need to set up your account first. This means hardwired Ethernet. Try using a USB keyboard when you're entering your ID.

Then it'll ask you to update the firmware. If you're planning on getting the PS3 soonish, you can download the firmware FIRST (as some say downloading using the PS3 can take a while) and install it via CD or flash drive. Click on this update page for more info (US PS3s only!) (http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates)

Once you got an account, got the firmware, got the controller set up and maybe the BD remote, then you're good to go. 30 minutes only if you've already downloaded the firmware.

If the BD and PS3 momentum continues strong, 12 months from now there still won't be a dual-format HD player. CES 2007 will be a good indicator of this.


fuad

The remote issue? If you mean availability, it's only begun trickling in US stores now. As for other issues, like no IR, that's up to third-party remote developer to develop remotes that work with the PS3.
Well. I would like to just add the PS3 to my MX-500, but I don't absolutely need that on day one.
If you're getting the cheaper PS3 (without wifi), after unpacking you need to set up your account first. This means hardwired Ethernet. Try using a USB keyboard when you're entering your ID.
I'm really not interested in network play. I just want to play Blu-ray disks. Can I just ignore this registration business and go straight to watching movies?
Then it'll ask you to update the firmware. If you're planning on getting the PS3 soonish, you can download the firmware FIRST (as some say downloading using the PS3 can take a while) and install it via CD or flash drive. Click on this update page for more info (US PS3s only!) (http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates)

Would it also be possible to just connect it to the network for the update? I have a little Roku Soundbridge which is an audio streaming appliance connected via wireless. I just check for updates and accept them. Can't I just do something similar with the PS3?

Lastly, do I need to plug in the composite cables in at first until HDMI and optical settings are configured?
I'm sure these have been asked or answered, for that I apologize. I would just like to be able to open the PS3 up on Christmas and set it up and watch a BD and play a game with no problems on my end. Thank you!

The PS3 does an auto detect the very first time you power it on. So whatever cable connections you are using that very first time will be detected by the PS3. My advice would be to hook it up with the HDMI cable if that's going to be your main connection. As far as just setting it up and watching movies and playing games, keep in mind that you will have to update your firmware right out of the box if you want to play a games, so have an internet connection handy.

Brandon

Should add some of the reviews to the initial post, if possible, Grubert:

UltimateAV Mag's: http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1206ps3blu/

I'm really not interested in network play. I just want to play Blu-ray disks. Can I just ignore this registration business and go straight to watching movies?


Yes, the PS3 will play Blu-ray movies out of the box. The updates could be of interest to you because they

1) Change which resolutions get priority in various situations and
2) Add support for the bluetooth remote control.

Depending on your preferences, neither may be important to you. Note that you do not have to register a Playstation Network ID to download firmware updates. Also, I've made better speed downloading the updates to a USB memory stick (put the PS3UPDAT.PUP file in \PS3\UPDATE on your stick or card) than in downloading it directly to the PS3.

Well. I would like to just add the PS3 to my MX-500, but I don't absolutely need that on day one.
We all want our infrared remotes to work. For other readers, the PS3 uses Bluetooth instead of IR so there's no way of getting an infrared remote to work all of the basic DVD/BD functions.

Can I just ignore this registration business and go straight to watching movies?
Sure.

Would it also be possible to just connect it to the network for the update? I have a little Roku Soundbridge which is an audio streaming appliance connected via wireless. I just check for updates and accept them. Can't I just do something similar with the PS3?
Yep! The 60GB has wireless built-in and the 20GB has a wired ethernet port. To get wireless on the 20GB, use a wireless bridge. Here's a link to an example (http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4654608?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG). That's the way I get my 20GB connected to the Net.

Keep in mind that you DON'T NEED to have your PS3 connected to the Net. You can just download the updates onto a USB flashdrive and then connect the flashdrive to the PS3 for updating.

Bottom-line - the PS3 is analogous to a laptop - it needs periodic firmware updates. Out of the box, it plays BD and DVD fine. Firmware updates will enable new features - such as DVD upconversion (Sony promises). You don't HAVE to update the firmware.

Good luck!

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

Thanks for the quick responses. I neighbor of mine just got a PS3 and said that we could hook it up to my system sometime next week to see how it looks.

My PS3 won't play blu-rays. It plays games perfectly though. I tried Talladega Nights & Mission Impossible 3 and it won't load up. I go to the Movies tab and I see BD-ROM is there. I press it and a grey screen comes back and says playback is not available. I have it hooked up via HDMI with the latest PS3 update.

My PS3 won't play blu-rays... I have it hooked up via HDMI with the latest PS3 update.
Can you list what the TV is, how it's connected, and the resolutions selected?

Also check the PS3/TV compatibility thread here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8922611&&#post8922611).

Thanks,

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

My PS3 won't play blu-rays. It plays games perfectly though. I tried Talladega Nights & Mission Impossible 3 and it won't load up. I go to the Movies tab and I see BD-ROM is there. I press it and a grey screen comes back and says playback is not available. I have it hooked up via HDMI with the latest PS3 update.

I'm assuming you must have an HDCP compliant display AND the resolution set correctly (the latter must be true if your hires games are playing correctly).

We all want our infrared remotes to work. For other readers, the PS3 uses Bluetooth instead of IR so there's no way of getting an infrared remote to work all of the basic DVD/BD functions.
Ken H*rrigan

Ken,
Even if a bluetooth remote was available domestically, this wouldn't help many folks that want to use the system in a well integrated home theater environment. I have a few PS2 remotes & receivers and it will be trial and error for me (based on a thread specifically on non-bluetooth ways to use the PS3 "remotely") once I get a PS2 to USB adapter. Then the MX500 or any learning remote code use codes matching the receiver remote pair used. I'm going to program a MX-950 for it.
Tim

I'm assuming you must have an HDCP compliant display AND the resolution set correctly (the latter must be true if your hires games are playing correctly).
Can you list what the TV is, how it's connected, and the resolutions selected?

Also check the PS3/TV compatibility thread here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8922611&&#post8922611).

Thanks,

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan
Well my brother got it work last night with Mission Impossible 3 last night with the current set up we have. It froze about 1/3 of the way through and hasn't worked since. Everything else works perfectly though.
Here is my setup
TV-Mitsubishi WD-52631
Receiver-Marantz SR-4001
2 12' length HDMI cables.

Hmmm. I don't know about the SA-XR70. The SA-XR700 can do a 1080p passthrough (no audio DSP on the 7.1 audio input through HDMI though).

So are you sure you are getting the SA-XR70
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/productImages/7/8/00000104978-PanasonicSAXR70AVreceiver-large.jpeg

instead of the SA-XR700?

http://www.mrmdvd.com/catalog/images/SAXR700.jpg

If the SA-XR70 is an older model, it would probably do up to 1080i only. 5.1-7.1 audio should still play okay.


fuad


Yep, definitely have(bought it a few years ago) the XR70 which is indeed as you mentioned the older model. I thought the same thing that I'm at least set up to 1080i, but not sure on the 1080p. I've looked everywhere for this piece of info but can't find it. I guess my next step is to email tech support at Panasonic.

Even if a bluetooth remote was available domestically, this wouldn't help many folks that want to use the system in a well integrated home theater environment.
Very very true. My only point was that the PS3 uses Bluetooth (not IR). As such, we're all waiting for a way to get the PS3 to recognize IR for remote control. Then we'd have the best of both gaming and HT worlds... it'll happen eventually.

... the MX500 or any learning remote code use codes matching the receiver remote pair used. I'm going to program a MX-950 for it.
I wish you luck. I can't wait to use my Harmony Remote on it.

Have fun!

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

I bought a PS3 at EB games yesterday, I also bought a remote for the dvd it is Blutooth ....Everyone keeps saying there are no remotes yet for the ps3..From what I was told this remote works just for the dvd player for Blu Ray...
It says on the package for PS3....
Also, Do I just need to download the latest firmware 1.32 and not all the updates that were out before 1.32??I know on the HD-dvd the newest update gives you all the updates...Is the Ps3 updates the same?
Thanks,
Rick

Well my brother got it work last night with Mission Impossible 3 last night with the current set up we have. It froze about 1/3 of the way through and hasn't worked since.
Nice setup! From ~10m of looking at the published specs on each of the manufacturer's sites, the PS3 -> SR4001 -> WD-52631 should work.

I wonder if the HDCP authorization during BD playback is the issue. This has been an issue with HDMI switches over the past year. Upconverting DVD players would stop showing the movie at periodic points during playback.

I would recommend testing by directly connecting the PS3's HDMI to the TV. For sound, connect the PS3's optical output to the 4001. See if you still have the same issues.

If directly connecting has the same result, I'd say the PS3 has an issue. Otherwise (directly connecting works) I'd contact Marantz for support/guidance.

Either way, please let us know what happens...

Thanks,

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

I bought a PS3 at EB games yesterday, I also bought a remote for the dvd it is Blutooth ....Everyone keeps saying there are no remotes yet for the ps3..From what I was told this remote works just for the dvd player for Blu Ray...
The remotes seem to be arriving in stores for purchase. I think that a lot of folks are getting tired of using their controllers as remotes. As for just working for DVD/BD functions, I'm sure that it'd work during gameplay - but why would anyone want to use it for that?

Also, Do I just need to download the latest firmware 1.32 and not all the updates that were out before 1.32??I know on the HD-dvd the newest update gives you all the updates...Is the Ps3 updates the same?

I skipped 1.31 (went from 1.30 to 1.32) so I would think that only the latest is required - but I do not know definitively.

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

Got my PS3 about a week ago. Installed update 1.31. Played R:FOM, watched Devil Wears Prada, Ice Age 2, and XMen III. No issues. Installed 1.32, watched Silent Hill, no issue. BTW, mine didn't come with a BD. So I assume it's a post 500k unit. With Blue Ray disks the audio seems much better than with a standard DVD. The PQ is better, but not drastically better. I'm running it with a HDMI to DVI connection to the TV but using the optical out on the PS3 to my Onkyo receiver. Eventually I'll upgrade my receiver and TV, but so far so good.

With Blue Ray disks the audio seems much better than with a standard DVD. The PQ is better, but not drastically better.
I agree with the audio, but disagree with the video. IMHO, the video on BD blows my upconverted DVD out of the water. What TV do you have?

I have a Samsung 6178 1080p monitor (that only takes in 480p/720p/1080i via HDMI), a Yamaha Z9 receiver, the Panasonic S77 DVD player, and PS3. In the case of Xmen 3, the difference between the upconverted DVD and BD is significant. Both feed the TV via HDMI at 1080i. The DVD doesn't look bad, per se. It looks "washed out." It looks like a "clean" widescreen SD broadcast. The BD looks better than broadcast HD. I get the "Wow" when watching it - something I haven't done with broadcast HD is a while.

Now, when I saw Talledega Nights BD, it looked like a HD premium cable broadcast - great PQ - but not a "wow." I suppose that the studios are still learning how to encode for the higher resolutions.

Bottom-line: I'm hooked - I just wish that the studios would crank out BDs now.

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

HELP!

Finished with the System Update to 1.32 and now NBA 2K7 scales down to 720p?! Anyway to reverse this, I want my 1080p back!

Certain titles like KOH, the PQ is indeed IMHO drastically better. Talladega looked like my comcast HD. Not bad, had some stunning moments but alotogether a bit mediocre, ESPECIALLY after KOH...

Does anybody know if Sony is working on an IR adapter for the PS3 so I can use my Universal Remote? Bluetooth is not going to cut it!

Very quick questions for you PS3 gurus :)

I'm in Europe and I can find Japanese PS3s only...
From what I understood, I will never have a problem reading a US BRD movie or a US PS3 game, right ?
What about the firmware updates ?
Are they the same on both the US and the japanese PS3 ?
Are they available at the same time ?

Thx ! ;)

I agree with the audio, but disagree with the video. IMHO, the video on BD blows my upconverted DVD out of the water. What TV do you have?

I have a Samsung 6178 1080p monitor (that only takes in 480p/720p/1080i via HDMI), a Yamaha Z9 receiver, the Panasonic S77 DVD player, and PS3. In the case of Xmen 3, the difference between the upconverted DVD and BD is significant. Both feed the TV via HDMI at 1080i. The DVD doesn't look bad, per se. It looks "washed out." It looks like a "clean" widescreen SD broadcast. The BD looks better than broadcast HD. I get the "Wow" when watching it - something I haven't done with broadcast HD is a while.

Now, when I saw Talledega Nights BD, it looked like a HD premium cable broadcast - great PQ - but not a "wow." I suppose that the studios are still learning how to encode for the higher resolutions.

Bottom-line: I'm hooked - I just wish that the studios would crank out BDs now.

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan
I have a Sony KF-50WE610. It'll take 480p/720p/1080i signals, but I think it displays at 720p. I haven't done any same movie comparisions, but I just bought Kung Fu Hustle (I'm a big Stephen Chow fan) on BD. So I'll try to compare the PQ, between my DVD and BD.

Very quick questions for you PS3 gurus :)

I'm in Europe and I can find Japanese PS3s only...
From what I understood, I will never have a problem reading a US BRD movie or a US PS3 game, right ?
What about the firmware updates ?
Are they the same on both the US and the japanese PS3 ?
Are they available at the same time ?

Thx ! ;)
From what I've seen, Asia gets the firmware updates a day before the US does and I think they contain the same fixes.
As far as I know, games won't have regional encoding and I've read that US BD's and Japanese BD's will both play on Japanese units.

Has it in fact been confirmed that the PS3 will pass BtB and WtW (<16 and >235 codes) over YCbCr?

I've had my box for about 3 days and have upgraded to 1.31. It has been configured to output YCbCr over HDMI.

Last night I ran DVE on it to check levels and was unable to reveal anything below or above those codes. So it appears to me, unless I am missing something, that it might be setting for VIDEO levels i.e. 16 is Black and 235 is White but anything outside of that range is clipped.

Not a deal breaker, simply a disappointment and another thing to add to the wish list. Unless I can be handheld in the right direction. ;)

ted

Just tried mine, same result (clips BtB and WtW). Using the same HDMI input on my SXRD with my Denon 2910 does provide BtB and WtW. This is a disappointment.

Need some quick help with AUDIO...i have the pS3 hooked up to play Blu Ray, I havn't hooked up to do the firmware update yet....I have it hooked up Component Video and Optical audio...
Video I made the adjustments in the menu and look great, but the audio, I can't get off PCM...I went into audio settings and checked off 5.1 digital, but when I scroll down I can't take the check marks off 2ch pcm, the last 2 options for 2ch pcm have checkmarks on them and they won't let me take the check marks off,
so when I go to the final screen it says I'm hooked up optical with 5.1 and the 2 2channel PCM options listed, and my playback is showing Pro logic PCM and only showing the 2channel playback...
Any quick helps how to change these settings?
Rick

Video I made the adjustments in the menu and look great, but the audio, I can't get off PCM...I went into audio settings and checked off 5.1 digital, but when I scroll down I can't take the check marks off 2ch pcm, the last 2 options for 2ch pcm have checkmarks on them and they won't let me take the check marks off,
so when I go to the final screen it says I'm hooked up optical with 5.1 and the 2 2channel PCM options listed, and my playback is showing Pro logic PCM and only showing the 2channel playback...
Any quick helps how to change these settings?The PCM setting is only for HDMI audio connections. You can't experience the higher-resolution 5.1 LPCM tracks with the 10+ year old optical and coax connections. If you want to experience that new higher quality audio, you must buy a new receiver with HDMI.

When using optical or coax on any Blu-ray player, you must set the output to bitstream. With bitstream set, you will get the Dolby Digital and/or DTS tracks included for backward compatibility with older legacy hardware.

The PCM setting is only for HDMI audio connections. You can't experience the higher-resolution 5.1 LPCM tracks with the 10+ year old optical and coax connections. If you want to experience that new higher quality audio, you must buy a new receiver with HDMI.

When using optical or coax on any Blu-ray player, you must set the output to bitstream. With bitstream set, you will get the Dolby Digital and/or DTS tracks included for backward compatibility with older legacy hardware.
I know what you are saying, I just don't know how to change the output to bitstream on the PS3...Can you help me out....
Rick

Go to Settings-> Audio-> Select Output-> then select Bitstream.

Doh! I don't think that's right, I'll look it up again.

Should add some of the reviews to the initial post, if possible, Grubert:

UltimateAV Mag's: http://www.ultimateavmag.com/hddiscplayers/1206ps3blu/

Great Review!! Thank you for the link!! Everybody should take the time to read this.

By the way..... GT Concept Demo is out!! Downloaded it last night... WooooHOOOO! :D

I know what you are saying, I just don't know how to change the output to bitstream on the PS3...Can you help me out....
Rick
Actually it's
Settings / BD-DVD settings / BD-DVD audio output settings (optical digital) / X / bitstream / X / O

Actually it's
Settings / BD-DVD settings / BD-DVD audio output settings (optical digital) / X / bitstream / X / O

Thanks Moose I will give that a try in the morning....
Rick

Ok Now I have another question, I was gonna do the firmware update using a USB memory stick that I have, ok I downloaded the 1.32 update on the memory stick, and went over to the PS3 to put it in the memory stick slot...It is not compatable with a USB stick,
Now this may be a dumb question, can I stick it into one of the USB connectors on the front of the machine where the controllers plug into??
I'm new to this please bear with me...
Rick

Thanks Moose I will give that a try in the morning....
Rick

Ok Now I have another question, I was gonna do the firmware update using a USB memory stick that I have, ok I downloaded the 1.32 update on the memory stick, and went over to the PS3 to put it in the memory stick slot...It is not compatable with a USB stick,
Now this may be a dumb question, can I stick it into one of the USB connectors on the front of the machine where the controllers plug into??
I'm new to this please bear with me...
Rick
Update using a PC »
Download update data using a PC and save on storage media* or a USB Mass Storage device. Copy the update data to the PS3™ system's hard disk and perform the update.
*An appropriate USB adaptor (not included) is required to use storage media with some models.
Also: http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates/pc_update.html#update_PC

Update using a PC »
Download update data using a PC and save on storage media* or a USB Mass Storage device. Copy the update data to the PS3™ system's hard disk and perform the update.
*An appropriate USB adaptor (not included) is required to use storage media with some models.
Also: http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates/pc_update.html#update_PC
Ok I understand how to do all this, but my main question is still, do I have to install the update in the memory card port of the PS3 or can it be done in any usb port on the front of the PS3 unit....I'm assuming that I need an adaptor for the USB storage unit and that will allow me to plug into the Memory port of the PS3 unit....
Thanks,
Rick

Ok I understand how to do all this, but my main question is still, do I have to install the update in the memory card port of the PS3 or can it be done in any usb port on the front of the PS3 unit....I'm assuming that I need an adaptor for the USB storage unit and that will allow me to plug into the Memory port of the PS3 unit....
Thanks,
Rick
If you have a USB stick, I'm pretty sure you can just stick it in one of the USB ports.

Ok I understand how to do all this, but my main question is still, do I have to install the update in the memory card port of the PS3 or can it be done in any usb port on the front of the PS3 unitYes, any USB memory stick or USB adapter for a flash card (SD, CF, MS, etc.) should work. Note that the update has to be in a specific directory on the card (I don't recall the details, should be on the firmware update website).

- Talk

Yes, any USB memory stick or USB adapter for a flash card (SD, CF, MS, etc.) should work. Note that the update has to be in a specific directory on the card (I don't recall the details, should be on the firmware update website).

- Talk

I tried using a Sandisk 1GB USB flash drive to update my firmware on the 60G when I first purchased it because my wireless signal was to weak. The PS3 would recognize the drive but I could not download the firmware update. I purchased a range extender for my wireless but I would still like to know the means of updating with the flash drive as I would imagine the update would take less time since I can download the updates so quickly via my PC. Perhaps you could be kind enough to research and provide a link to or list the instructions to perform this.


Merry Christmas :)

John

The PS3 would recognize the drive but I could not download the firmware update.

I had the same problem with the factory firmware. My wireless connection would timeout when trying to download the first update that came out, and I could not get the console to find the file on a USB jump drive. I wound up dragging the console into the room where my PC is and hardwiring a connection from my router to get the console to update. However, subsequent updates have worked fine using the jump drive, and this latest, 1.32, downloaded using the wireless connection with no problem.

Methinks Sony has been fixing things as they go along. Things they didn't say were broken.

The PS3 does an auto detect the very first time you power it on. So whatever cable connections you are using that very first time will be detected by the PS3. My advice would be to hook it up with the HDMI cable if that's going to be your main connection. As far as just setting it up and watching movies and playing games, keep in mind that you will have to update your firmware right out of the box if you want to play a games, so have an internet connection handy.

Brandon

what if I am not playing any games with it, just movies? do I still have to have an internet connection and upgrade the firmware before I can play any movies?

I haven't installed any of the updates as yet. Does anyone know if the latest, as of right now 1.32, is inclusive of all the previous updates? Or, are they in separate parts that all have to be installed?

I haven't installed any of the updates as yet. Does anyone know if the latest, as of right now 1.32, is inclusive of all the previous updates? Or, are they in separate parts that all have to be installed?
They are inclusive.

what if I am not playing any games with it, just movies? do I still have to have an internet connection and upgrade the firmware before I can play any movies?
No, but I would still do the updates. They might have something related to movie playback. For a description of what the updates cover, go here:
http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates

Yes, any USB memory stick or USB adapter for a flash card (SD, CF, MS, etc.) should work. Note that the update has to be in a specific directory on the card (I don't recall the details, should be on the firmware update website).

- Talk

I tried using a Sandisk 1GB USB flash drive to update my firmware on the 60G when I first purchased it because my wireless signal was to weak. The PS3 would recognize the drive but I could not download the firmware update. I purchased a range extender for my wireless but I would still like to know the means of updating with the flash drive as I would imagine the update would take less time since I can download the updates so quickly via my PC. Perhaps you could be kind enough to research and provide a link to or list the instructions to perform this.


Merry Christmas :)

John
On the USB drive, you have to have a directory called PS3, in that directory you need a directory called UPDATE. In that UPDATE directory, you should place the update file. The update file must be named PS3UPDAT.PUP:
http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates/pc_update.html#update_PC

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas guys!

Merry xmas everyone. Don't forget to watch the Christmas Story on TBS. I'm not happy they stopped showing it on TNT I could of watched it in HD then, but TBS doesn't have a HD channel.

I just WON a 60gb sealed brand new machine on ebay, paid $687.61 shipped, you guys think I got a good deal or did I get ripped off? also, since I'm not going to be playing games, at least not right away, do I need to update the firmware? I downloaded it to my usb drive just in case, but if it plays my blu ray movies with no lock ups I should be fine

oh, and one more thingy, I have a 1080p lcd tv with both hdmi and dvi connectors and a dvi-hdmi cable, is dvi-hdmi the way to go to avoid handshake problems? both my dvi and dvi accept 1080p btw

I just WON a 60gb sealed brand new machine on ebay, paid $687.61 shipped, you guys think I got a good deal or did I get ripped off? also, since I'm not going to be playing games, at least not right away, do I need to update the firmware? I downloaded it to my usb drive just in case, but if it plays my blu ray movies with no lock ups I should be fine
Not a BAD deal. For the rest of your questions, look at the rest of this page. Oh yeah, congrats and welcome to the club!

Not a BAD deal. For the rest of your questions, look at the rest of this page. Oh yeah, congrats and welcome to the club!

thanks and merry christmas to y'all :D

oh, and one more thingy, I have a 1080p lcd tv with both hdmi and dvi connectors and a dvi-hdmi cable, is dvi-hdmi the way to go to avoid handshake problems? both my dvi and dvi accept 1080p btw
Not sure. Try the HDMI to HDMI, if you have problems, then go with the HDMI to DVI. I use the HDMI to DVI only because my reciever and TV don't support HDMI.

BTW, I'm wrapping Xmas gifts for the kids in my home office. That's why I can actually post, lol.

I haven't installed any of the updates as yet. Does anyone know if the latest, as of right now 1.32, is inclusive of all the previous updates? Or, are they in separate parts that all have to be installed?

the new update 1.32 inludes all previous updates, if you already have 1.31 it will only install what's needed to bring it up to date.

Not sure. Try the HDMI to HDMI, if you have problems, then go with the HDMI to DVI. I use the HDMI to DVI only because my reciever and TV don't support HDMI.

BTW, I'm wrapping Xmas gifts for the kids in my home office. That's why I can actually post, lol.

is the ps3 one of them? here in westcoast is still early, dinner's still cooking and our guests haven't shown up yet with the liquor

is the ps3 one of them? here in westcoast is still early, dinner's still cooking and our guests haven't shown up yet with the liquor
Is the PS3 one of what? I have my PS3 running HDMI to DVI to the TV, then the optical out to my receiver.

Ahh, ok, lol. No, the PS3 is my gift to myself. My kids are satisfied with their gameboys and DS's.

I googled the ps3 remote and can't find any online stores that carry it, does anyone know where I can get it?

I got mine at Game Stop, they also have them at EB games.
I didn't see either web site that showed them but they were at the B&M store.

I'm expecting my PS3 this week to come finally. I have a question (and the 60+ pages don't help;)) I understand that the PS3 supports Dolby TrueHD, my question is, if I hook it up via HDMI to my Onkyo TX-SR803, will it pass through the TrueHD or will it downgrade and only run the DD or DTS track? I hope its the first as my Onkyo is only a year old :)

I got mine at Game Stop, they also have them at EB games.
I didn't see either web site that showed them but they were at the B&M store.

I don't see it on their websites, how much did you pay for it, I saw them on ebay for 50 bucks shipped, is that how much you paid?

I understand that the PS3 supports Dolby TrueHD, my question is, if I hook it up via HDMI to my Onkyo TX-SR803, will it pass through the TrueHD or will it downgrade and only run the DD or DTS track?If your TX-SR803 supports HDMI audio like the TX-SR804, then you will get TrueHD audio unpacked to LPCM. I'm not familiar with the 803.

Another quick question... can we force the output to 1080i (and not 1080p) for everything, including every game ?

Thx ! ;)

Another quick question... can we force the output to 1080i (and not 1080p) for everything, including every game ?

Thx ! ;)
No. Some games are in 720p and some are in 1080p. The PS3 will output the highest resolution your display will support. In this order:
1080p->1080i->720p->480p
This also means that if you're one of the unfortunate people who's display only supports 1080i/480p/480i, you'll only get a 480p video feed for any 720p content.

Also there's NO up upscaler, so you can't force a 720p source upto a 1080i display. Unless you've got hardware in between to do the upconversion.

Question: from what I read, the PS3 is also a network media player.

Can it play this way TS files? And does it support TS h.264 recordings? Possibly at 1080i/50 if they come from European sources?

BTW, if you're a gamer, download the GT HD demo game at the PS store from your PS3. It's a game in 1080p/i and the graphics are amazing!!! It's about 650megs and they say it'll only be availible for a short time.

No. Some games are in 720p and some are in 1080p. The PS3 will output the highest resolution your display will support. In this order:
1080p->1080i->720p->480p
This also means that if you're one of the unfortunate people who's display only supports 1080i/480p/480i, you'll only get a 480p video feed for any 720p content.

Also there's NO up upscaler, so you can't force a 720p source upto a 1080i display. Unless you've got hardware in between to do the upconversion.Thx !
I have a Sony Ruby, but between the PS3 and the Ruby, there will be a Lumagen HDQ which does not accept 1080p60.
So for movies I will send 1080i from the PS3 (no problem with that I presume ?) and the Lumagen will send 1080p48 to the Ruby.
Now... for 1080p games... I will have a problem... I assume I will have to remove the Lumagen from the chain everytime I wanna play one of them... am I right ?

I can't get the PS 3 to access the internet through my Linksys 5 port work group switch. Works fine when hooked directly to my router.

Anyone know if this is an isolated thing or does the PS 3 just hate Linksys?

Anyone use anothe brand of switch successfully? Thanks

Thx !
I have a Sony Ruby, but between the PS3 and the Ruby, there will be a Lumagen HDQ which does not accept 1080p60.
So for movies I will send 1080i from the PS3 (no problem with that I presume ?) and the Lumagen will send 1080p48 to the Ruby.
Now... for 1080p games... I will have a problem... I assume I will have to remove the Lumagen from the chain everytime I wanna play one of them... am I right ?
Not really sure. I'm not familiar with the Ruby or Lumagen. In fact I have no idea what they are, lol.


I can't get the PS 3 to access the internet through my Linksys 5 port work group switch. Works fine when hooked directly to my router.

Anyone know if this is an isolated thing or does the PS 3 just hate Linksys?

Anyone use anothe brand of switch successfully? Thanks
If you have a 60gig unit and a wireless router, you might try that route. I have mine hooked up to my Netgear router by ethernet cable.

I think I have solved the problem with 5.1 surround playback...I only have one movie and it is X-Men When I play the 5.1 spanish channel it plays back fine in 5.1, when I hit the english 5.1 I only get 2channel I think this may be because that is only a Lossless audio track and I am running optical so I will only get 2ch playback...
Does this sound fine, and my big question is why wouldn't they put a English 5.1 option on X-Men...WHy lossless for English and then Spanish and french tracks get the lossy 5.1...AM I missing something on the menu?
Rick

Rented the same movie and I get 5.1 and I'm using the optical out. Check the audio settings and make sure that 5.1 output is enabled. I'm 99% sure that the compressed 5.1 tracks are included for English on all American DVD's.

Rented the same movie and I get 5.1 and I'm using the optical out. Check the audio settings and make sure that 5.1 output is enabled. I'm 99% sure that the compressed 5.1 tracks are included for English on all American DVD's.
The dvd menu just shows the English lossless track then spanish 5.1 and French 5.1....
Rick

Works fine through my Linksys, both wireless and wired.

The dvd menu just shows the English lossless track then spanish 5.1 and French 5.1....
Rick
Sorry, I meant make sure that the PS3 is enabled to output 5.1. I'm pretty sure there's an option to turn it off and on. Let me know if you can't find it and I'll check my setup and verify that XMen is playing in 5.1 for me.
I can check between sticking the chicken in the oven and prepping the side dishes ;)

Works fine through my Linksys, both wireless and wired.
I think he's running it on a subnet with a secondary switch working off his router.

FYI, the "official" instructions on connecting the PS3 to a network:
http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/PS3/GettingStarted/s_ps3_gs_si.html

Sorry, I meant make sure that the PS3 is enabled to output 5.1. I'm pretty sure there's an option to turn it off and on. Let me know if you can't find it and I'll check my setup and verify that XMen is playing in 5.1 for me.
I can check between sticking the chicken in the oven and prepping the side dishes ;)
I must have the PS3 set ok, because when I put the 5.1 option on for Spanish, it plays back in 5.1 no problem..
Let me ask a question, in my PS3 audio menu I have optical with 5.1 then under it still has the 2ch pcm listed, when I go to that menu it won't let me take the check marks off them, so I have 3 options listed under audio, 5.1 digital, 2chpcm and another 2ch...
Is that normal?
Rick

I don't see it on their websites, how much did you pay for it, I saw them on ebay for 50 bucks shipped, is that how much you paid?
I got mine for $24.99, don't get ripped off by an e bay scammer, go to the store & pick one up!

I must have the PS3 set ok, because when I put the 5.1 option on for Spanish, it plays back in 5.1 no problem..
Let me ask a question, in my PS3 audio menu I have optical with 5.1 then under it still has the 2ch pcm listed, when I go to that menu it won't let me take the check marks off them, so I have 3 options listed under audio, 5.1 digital, 2chpcm and another 2ch...
Is that normal?
Rick
Ok, this is what I found. Under my audio settings are:
Dolby
DTS
AAC
PCM
PCM
I have Dolby and DTS enabled and the two PCM's enabled by default(cannot be deselected)
When I play XMen III, my reciever automatically plays the audio in DTS Discrete 6.1. The Spanish track is in Dolby! So it looks like for this DVD, the main English track only comes in DTS. So that's the problem. Does your receiver not decode DTS?
Since I'm more of a DTS fan, I'm quite please to see more tracks in DTS.

Thx !
I have a Sony Ruby, but between the PS3 and the Ruby, there will be a Lumagen HDQ which does not accept 1080p60.
So for movies I will send 1080i from the PS3 (no problem with that I presume ?) and the Lumagen will send 1080p48 to the Ruby.
Now... for 1080p games... I will have a problem... I assume I will have to remove the Lumagen from the chain everytime I wanna play one of them... am I right ?Anyone else than yuichiror then ? :)

Anyone else than yuichiror then ? :)
We can't really say definitively since most of us don't have a Ruby or even a Pearl. :p The best you can do is try it out and report back.

This much can be said. The PS3 doesn't upscale games to 1080i/p or downscale BD video to 720p.

So 720p games will be fed to your Lumagen and get upconverted to 1080p48 for the Ruby. For 1080p games, theoretically those games can natively support 720p and 1080i.

So check 720p (for 720p games) and 1080i (for games and movies) on the PS3 and report back.


fuad

Ok, this is what I found. Under my audio settings are:
Dolby
DTS
AAC
PCM
PCM
I have Dolby and DTS enabled and the two PCM's enabled by default(cannot be deselected)
When I play XMen III, my reciever automatically plays the audio in DTS Discrete 6.1. The Spanish track is in Dolby! So it looks like for this DVD, the main English track only comes in DTS. So that's the problem. Does your receiver not decode DTS?
Since I'm more of a DTS fan, I'm quite please to see more tracks in DTS.
That is most likely the problem, I have to enable DTS in the settings....I'll have to try this, see why you have to love this forum!!..
Merry Xmas..
Rick

That is most likely the problem, I have to enable DTS in the settings....I'll have to try this, see why you have to love this forum!!..
Merry Xmas..
Rick
Always glad to help!

BTW, chicken's done, side dishes almost there!

I was finally able to play one HDTV movie I burned on the double layer DVD+R using PS3, picture very nice and smooth, but both HDMI and Optical output PCM audio, not 5.1, my windvd can output the same file in 5.1 though.

I checked all sound setting, enabled dolby digital 5.1 on ps3, but it seems my audio receiver is only getting DD 2.0 sound. Anyone know why's that? Only one step to turning the ps3 as a mpeg2 player now... :rolleyes:

I was finally able to play one HDTV movie I burned on the double layer DVD+R using PS3, picture very nice and smooth, but both HDMI and Optical output PCM audio, not 5.1, my windvd can output the same file in 5.1 though.

I checked all sound setting, enabled dolby digital 5.1 on ps3, but it seems my audio receiver is only getting DD 2.0 sound. Anyone know why's that? Only one step to turning the ps3 as a mpeg2 player now... :rolleyes:
TheMoose: Actually it's
Settings / BD-DVD settings / BD-DVD audio output settings (optical digital) / X / bitstream / X / O
Try setting it to bitstream.

BTW, how did you burn a HDDVD on a dual layer dvd?

TheMoose:
Try setting it to bitstream.

BTW, how did you burn a HDDVD on a dual layer dvd?

I have no idea what you are asking, that post was to tell someone how to change the BD / DVD output to bitstream.

I have no idea what you are asking, that post was to tell someone how to change the BD / DVD output to bitstream.
I was pointing out to the other guy how to set it to bitstream to see if that fixed his issue. Sorry.

So aside from changing the BD display settings to HDMI 1080i 720P 480P and optical out DTS DD5.1 and the two 2 channels options, this also has to be done in the settings menu for video output, for playing PS3 games? In other words, not only do I need to configure the PS3 video and audio display settings and output, I also need to go into the BD settings and do the same?

Over 600 PS3's available an line right here

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Merry Xmas.

Tried that, still the same PCM, no 5.1.

I recorded the ts stream from HDTV, then use HDTV2mpeg2 to get mpg, then use VLC to get mpeg PS stream. then just burn it as data to DVDR, not sure if it'll make any diff if I put it in a VIDEO folder, then burn it.

TheMoose:
Try setting it to bitstream.

BTW, how did you burn a HDDVD on a dual layer dvd?

Tried that, still the same PCM, no 5.1.

I recorded the ts stream from HDTV, then use HDTV2mpeg2 to get mpg, then use VLC to get mpeg PS stream. then just burn it as data to DVDR, not sure if it'll make any diff if I put it in a VIDEO folder, then burn it.
Cool, never heard of anyone doing that before. Hmm, are you sure when you encoded it to mpeg2 the audio portion was preserved as 5.1?
Nevermind, I re-read your original post. I'm out of ideas...

My PS3 completely B L O W S as a Bluray player! Why? Because it will not work with my Sony Sony KP-65WV600 rear projection TV that supports 720p, 1080i, and HDCP.

Two Sony products that on paper should knock my socks off and they won't link up at all. Sony has ZERO Quality Assurance. They suck.

So yeah. I can play Blu-Ray discs in all of 480i glory.

What a crock. :(

See my other thread for more info. Buyer BEWARE. A Sony $650.00 gaming console should work with Sony HD products.

PS3 is INCREDIBLE on my 60" SXRD!

Time for a new TV. Name of the tech game is getting outdated. If you're patient, they may have a firmware / software scaler fix for you. If you're impatient, there's always taking the hit in the pocket book.

So you are suggesting that I spend $3,000 - $15,000 for a new TV to support a $600 gaming console?????????????????

There is nothing wrong with what I have now. HD-DVD works just fine. My HD Tivo HR10-250 works just fine.

The Sony PS3 should work with a SONY HD-TV with all of the right specs such as native support for 720p, 1080i, and HDCP.

The more I think about it, the more I make up my mind to return this nightmare of a product. Forget Bluray.

I'm just saying that that'sthe way early adoption works and it shouldn't be too surprising that you're faced with an upgrade now or later, based on your preference. Maybe you SHOULD return the PS3 and let someone get a chance at satisfaction, then?

I'm not quite sure I understand what your problem is though, with Blu-ray as the movies themselves play fine at 1080i. It's when there are games that only output 720p that there's an issue... :confused:

Incidentally, I wouldn't suggest spending anything outside the ranges of $1500-5000 if it was me (various makes of 60-70" 1080p sets), but that's neither here nor there.

I'm expecting my PS3 this week to come finally. I have a question (and the 60+ pages don't help;)) I understand that the PS3 supports Dolby TrueHD, my question is, if I hook it up via HDMI to my Onkyo TX-SR803, will it pass through the TrueHD or will it downgrade and only run the DD or DTS track? I hope its the first as my Onkyo is only a year old :)

Anybody?

Have you tried using the Component video interface?

tgenius, I would look in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511) for your answer...

tgenius, I would look in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511) for your answer...
Good stuff, thanks!

You miss understand. It doesn't work at ALL. Zero resolutions work on HDMI. Nothing. I can get the composite cable that is included with the PS3 to work and there is my 480i. The old yellow RCA cable.

I'm not quite sure I understand what your problem is though, with Blu-ray as the movies themselves play fine at 1080i. It's when there are games that only output 720p that there's an issue.

I am buying a PS3 tommorrow but am a tad worried abut the resolution issues I am hearing about. I have a Sony KDLXBR1 LCD HDTV (1366 x 768 pixels). What will the PS3 do with the resolution of a Blu Ray disc in terms of scaling? My Tv accepts all resolutions except 1080p, and then scales them internally.

Ideally the PS3 would downscale the 1080p (I think thats the res of Blu Ray??) Blu Ray to 1080i, then let my TV handle it from there. If the PS3 downscaled to 720p, my Tv would then still have to scale it to my screens native resolution. Might be better to have the PS3 just interlace the 1080p to 1080i.

Any knowledge on this?

Argh,
Im watching Kingdom of Heaven & the audio is out of sync with the video. PS3 is connected via hdmi to a 1080P Samsung DLP, audio is set to PCM. Using the tv's speakers.
Any suggestions?

Change audio to bitstream

tgenius, I would look in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=738511) for your answer...

If I read that thread correctly, I (since I only use 5.1 anyways) should be able to get the HD sound formats passed through HDMI on my Onkyo TX-SR803.

No, only Dolby TrueHD lossless unpacked back to LPCM and regular LPCM tracks. We're still waiting on DTS Master Audio lossless decoding.

In my case I had to hook up the composite video cable to the TV and the HDMI cable. I used the composite cable to get a picture, then went into the setup menu and chose the HDMI port as the output of choice. Once I did that, I could get HDMI handshaking with my TV and then pulled out the composite breakout cable.

Some players don't have HDMI output enabled by default. It usually defaults to the composite output and then you have to change it in the menu.

Dan

No, only Dolby TrueHD lossless unpacked back to LPCM and regular LPCM tracks. We're still waiting on DTS Master Audio lossless decoding.

In my case I had to hook up the composite video cable to the TV and the HDMI cable. I used the composite cable to get a picture, then went into the setup menu and chose the HDMI port as the output of choice. Once I did that, I could get HDMI handshaking with my TV and then pulled out the composite breakout cable.

Some players don't have HDMI output enabled by default. It usually defaults to the composite output and then you have to change it in the menu.

Dan


Dan was that directed at me or someone else? :D

Change audio to bitstream

Is this the only solution??? It tells me that if i select bitstream, some portions of the audio on BD may not play.
Is this a disk problem, or a setup problem?

RE: Bitstream audio selection...

Is this the only solution??? It tells me that if i select bitstream, some portions of the audio on BD may not play.

What portions?

Selecting "bitstream" does not affect outputting LPCM audio when a disc has that format included. You can still select the PCM tracks on those discs that contain them and the PCM audio is output normally.

With bitstream selected, DTS and Dolby Digital tracks are output in those formats for decoding in one's receiver. When a disc contains a DTS-HD Master audio track, as is the case with Kingdom of Heaven, the 1.5 mb/s DTS core data is extracted and output as DTS or DTS-ES if applicable.

You are not losing anything when selecting bitstream at this time. The PS3 cannot decode DTS-HD Master at this time, so if you select PCM (decoding in the PS3), you are still only getting the DTS core data only output as PCM instead of native DTS.

Use bitstream and have a nice day.

I am buying a PS3 tommorrow but am a tad worried abut the resolution issues I am hearing about. I have a Sony KDLXBR1 LCD HDTV (1366 x 768 pixels). What will the PS3 do with the resolution of a Blu Ray disc in terms of scaling? My Tv accepts all resolutions except 1080p, and then scales them internally. You're all set. Just remember to not check the 1080p box and check 1080i and 720p.


fuad

Interestingly enough, my 42" Panny plasma does NOT support 1080p to the best of my knowledge, but the PS3 decided that it did and claims to be outputting 1080p to the TV. TV is displaying, too. Just thought that was odd.

You're all set. Just remember to not check the 1080p box and check 1080i and 720p.


fuad

Thanks. I am very excited about the purchase. I will finally have my dream setup (almost....). The PS3 and the 360, surround sound, and a really nice HDTV. (of course you can always do one better, and a 1080p Sony LCD will be my next purchase down the road...but I am really satisfied and enjoying the set I have)

I feel that BR disc is a great technology to have for gaming, and is going to be great for Blu ray movies as well. The potential of the PS3 is just awesome. Now it's a waiting game to see when developers start to unleash this baby.

You miss understand. It doesn't work at ALL. Zero resolutions work on HDMI. Nothing. I can get the composite cable that is included with the PS3 to work and there is my 480i. The old yellow RCA cable.


I feel your pain. I do not have your same TV set but I am having the same issues as yourself on my RPCRT set with DVI. It was a pretty disappointing X-Mas messing with the PS3 instead of watching any sort of HD from it. I will try to find a set of compatable component cables for the PS3 and see if this will work and if not the PS3 goes back as well as 3 games and 2 movies. This thing is definitly not the most user friendly piece of electronics to come from Sony. I really expected much better.

You miss understand. It doesn't work at ALL. Zero resolutions work on HDMI. Nothing. I can get the composite cable that is included with the PS3 to work and there is my 480i. The old yellow RCA cable.

If that happens, turn on your display first while the PS3 is OFF. Then, with your TV/display already on (and the HDMI cable connected), turn on the PS3. Sometimes the "handshake" requires that the display be on first before the PS3 kicks into action for it to see the HDMI connection. That happened to me a few times... but not every time. strange.

If that happens, turn on your display first while the PS3 is OFF. Then, with your TV/display already on (and the HDMI cable connected), turn on the PS3. Sometimes the "handshake" requires that the display be on first before the PS3 kicks into action for it to see the HDMI connection. That happened to me a few times... but not every time. strange.

Thanks for the offer of help. I tried about every combination of off/on, holding my lips in the right position, every combination that the universe could offer for hours on end and No Glory. I am sure I will try every combination again today ( I really want this to work over my dvi connection). Thanks

Same here. I've trolled the Sony PS3 forums all day yesterday and this morning and I too have tried the same technique with ZERO luck multiple times. It simply flat out does NOT work. I'm not the stupidedst person to have purchased a PS3. My jobs over the past 20 years have been to solve technical problems. Trust me when I say it doesn't work, it in fact does not work.

Still no official response from Sony on this issue either. I'm sure in the grand scheme of things a single ticked off guy means nothing to them. I can only imagine the hell of having to return this thing. No doubt CrapUSA is gonna want "restocking fees" and every other bit of nonsense.

Have you tried different HDMI cables or component cables?

Brandon

Yes.

I've tried the standard Tivo HDMI to DVI cable that ships with the HR10-250. This works just fine with my Tivo and I get a great 1080i image but does not work on the PS3.

I then purchased a Monster DVI to HDMI adapter and a 3' HDMI cable. I tested this setup with the Tivo and everything works great. No luck with the PS3.

I'm half tempted to take the PS3 back to CrapUSA and make them hook it up to one of their TVs. That way we could at least know if the HDMI port on the PS3 works or not.

Thanks for the offer of help. I tried about every combination of off/on, holding my lips in the right position, every combination that the universe could offer for hours on end and No Glory. I am sure I will try every combination again today ( I really want this to work over my dvi connection). Thanks

Does your DVI input do HDCP? Maybe that's the problem. What's the model # of your set?

Sony KP-65WV600

See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774811

Its a HDCP handshake issue. The PS3 doesn't like the older Sony TV.

Sony KP-65WV600

See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774811

Its a HDCP handshake issue. The PS3 doesn't like the older Sony TV.
sorry to hear about your video issues with the PS3... anyway, have you tried component video using the multi-AV out? if that doesn't work either then it would seem like it's a PS3 problem rather than the display.
another crazy idea is to connect the PS3 to an HDMI A/V receiver (such as Denon's AVR-2807) then on to your display. if it's a handshaking issue, then have it handshake with another component instead... i know it's not a cheap & simple solution but at least you may not need a new display and there are some great benefits to an HDMI A/V receiver, such as support for the advanced audio formats, single cable connection, digital processing, etc. plus, you can add a Toshiba HD-DVD player with only another extra HDMI connection. ;)

Sony KP-65WV600

See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774811

Its a HDCP handshake issue. The PS3 doesn't like the older Sony TV.
How old is that model? Doesn't look like it's more than 3 years old....

You are not losing anything when selecting bitstream at this time.You do lose the locally generated sound effects (i.e. button pushes, etc.), and possibly commentary and the like (depending on how it's authored). To my knowledge those sound inputs can only be mixed in as PCM, so if you use bitstream you won't hear them.

Same here. I've trolled the Sony PS3 forums all day yesterday and this morning and I too have tried the same technique with ZERO luck multiple times. It simply flat out does NOT work. I'm not the stupidedst person to have purchased a PS3. My jobs over the past 20 years have been to solve technical problems. Trust me when I say it doesn't work, it in fact does not work.

Still no official response from Sony on this issue either. I'm sure in the grand scheme of things a single ticked off guy means nothing to them. I can only imagine the hell of having to return this thing. No doubt CrapUSA is gonna want "restocking fees" and every other bit of nonsense.


Well I gave up on the HDMI/DVI with my RPCRT set and went to Gamestop and bought some Universal HD Component Cables and now have a 1080i signal to the set from the PS3. The PS3 is the only device that has not worked with my DVI port on my television. I bought the 15.00 dollar set of cables because I am tired of throwing money @ this console without knowing if it would work properly. So you do not need to buy the more expensive component cables if you are tired of spending money on them.

Hi all,

A quick question. Can I run the Video through HDMI to my projector and the audio via optical to my Denon 3805(N0 HDMI). Or do you have to do both visual and audio through the HDMI.

Thank You.

Chris

Hi all,

A quick question. Can I run the Video through HDMI to my projector and the audio via optical to my Denon 3805(N0 HDMI). Or do you have to do both visual and audio through the HDMI.

Thank You.

Chris
Yes, you can run the video through HDMI and then the audio through the optical.

Yes, you can run the video through HDMI and then the audio through the optical.

Thanks for the fast reply I really appreciate it.

Chris

I called EB games and went to Best buy and asked if I could install the firmware update from my USB media storage unit by putting it in one of the front USB ports where you plug the controller into..
Both said yes, that should work fine...
Well I installed the USB stick into one of the ports besides the controller's port and it showed up on the screen, it said USB Device(2.0 FD)
then I went to system update and followed screen instructions when it said update via media stick, I hit X and I got a message: No Applicable update data was found.....
I don't know why it won't take the download, I emptied out the storage stick and went to the web site set up the file like it was supposed to be set up...
Right now this is the only way for me to update, I don't have a long enough Ethernet chord yet...
Also My system shows firmware 1.1 I put in a game Full Auto I think is the name, and the game starts playing, but I don't get any sound....I'm getting sound fine from Blu Ray playback..Is this because I don't have the 1.32 firmware??
Need a few suggestions here...
Thanks,
Rick

With a movie like Black Hawk Down, that has a English PCM 5.1 Uncompressed track, and if I select that and have my PS3 hooked up via TosLink, what should my reciever decode it as? PLIIx? Is that better than selecting the normal Dolby Digital 5.1 track?

With a movie like Black Hawk Down, that has a English PCM 5.1 Uncompressed track, and if I select that and have my PS3 hooked up via TosLink, what should my reciever decode it as?Stereo, which your receiver could use to create virtual 5.1 channels.

Is that better than selecting the normal Dolby Digital 5.1 track?No.

Optical simply doesn't support multichannel uncompressed LPCM output. That is a HDMI-only feature. This isn't a limitation of the PS3, it's a limitation of the optical connection, as designed and implemented in all consumer devices.

If you have optical, you need to set the PS3 to output bitstream. If you set your PS3 to LPCM, the best you can get is stereo, because that is all optical can support. As implemented in consumer devices, the optical connection supports a maximum bitstream transport of 1.5 Mbps.

Bitstream
5.1 Dolby Digital (DVD ) = 0.448 Mbps
5.1 Dolby Digital (Bluray) = 0.640 Mbps
5.1 DTS = 0.768 Mbps - 1.5 Mbps
6.1 DTS-ES = 1.5 Mbps

LPCM
2.0 16/48 LPCM = 1.5 Mbps (optical)
5.1 16/48 LPCM = 4.6 Mbps (HDMI only)
5.1 24/48 LPCM = 6.9 Mbps (HDMI only)
7.1 24/48 LPCM = 9.2 Mbps (HDMI only)
7.1 24/96 LPCM = 18.4 Mbps (HDMI only)

When A/V receivers without HDMI say they support 7.1, in most cases, all that means is they will apply 7.1 Dolby Prologic IIx processing to a 5.1 signal. It does not mean they accept 7.1 signal. If a receiver doesn't have HDMI, then it doesn't support a 7.1 LPCM input from the PS3 or any other device, and nothing can be done to change that. Some receivers without HDMI have 7.1 analog input jacks, but the Sony didn't include the DACs necessary to make 7.1 analog output possible on the PS3 -- this was done to keep costs down.

So in the case with anything that has a Uncompressed PCM track, I want to select the normal Dolby Dig track correct?

Good info bfdtv, as I purchased the Denon 2807 specifically for the HDMI throughput but was planning to output via optical while using component (my tv still has DVI and I'm planning on a future upgrade)
Oh well, I guess I'll find out when I get my Ps3 back. Sigh... see http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774857 (http://http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=774857)
Btw, still happy with the 2807!

I am mostly an audio guy so forgive my ignorance on the video side of things.

To make a long story short I have a nice audio system and a nice projector that I want to use with a PS3 when I get a chance to buy one locally.

My buddy brought by a 20g PS3 and we got to hook it up for about an hour before he had to leave. I connected the PS3 to my Mits HC3000 projector and was in awe at the video quality on a couple games he brought with him. He didn't bring any movies unfortunately.

I don't use a receiver in my system currently as I have monoblock power amps and a nice cd player that I run direct into them.

Does the 60G version offer standard RCA audio out so I can run the audio separate from the HDMI connection for video?

I don't have any way to use optical.

I would hate to have to pick up a receiver to incorporate the PS3 into my system.

Sorry if this has been covered but I couldn't find it. Thanks for your help.

Yes, the PS3 does have standard RCA-plug audio outs.

Nice setup! From ~10m of looking at the published specs on each of the manufacturer's sites, the PS3 -> SR4001 -> WD-52631 should work.

I wonder if the HDCP authorization during BD playback is the issue. This has been an issue with HDMI switches over the past year. Upconverting DVD players would stop showing the movie at periodic points during playback.

I would recommend testing by directly connecting the PS3's HDMI to the TV. For sound, connect the PS3's optical output to the 4001. See if you still have the same issues.

If directly connecting has the same result, I'd say the PS3 has an issue. Otherwise (directly connecting works) I'd contact Marantz for support/guidance.

Either way, please let us know what happens...

Thanks,

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan
Well today we tried Talladega Nights and it played the whole movie straight through on the first time. Not really sure what is going on because I didn't do anything different setup wise.

Yes, the PS3 does have standard RCA-plug audio outs.

PS3 has a multi-out port and a standard HDMI port.

The multi-out connector can be used to connect stereo and composite, S-Video or component.

PS3 comes with composite video cables.

I use an HDMI-to-DVI cable for the video and just the stereo audio part of the composite cable for audio.

You can configure in the settings whether you want audio through the HDMI port or through the multi-out port.

PS3 has a multi-out port and a standard HDMI port.

The multi-out connector can be used to connect stereo and composite, S-Video or component.

PS3 comes with composite video cables.

I use an HDMI-to-DVI cable for the video and just the stereo audio part of the composite cable for audio.

You can configure in the settings whether you want audio through the HDMI port or through the multi-out port.

So you cannot use RCA to RCA interconnects to connect the PS3 to amplifiers/receiver directly?

I remember seeing the multi-out port and seeing a different type of connection than RCA.

If this is the case are there different lengths available for that cable? I plan on having the PS3 about 14-15' from where the amplifiers are located.

Thanks for your assistance with my questions. I really appreciate it. :cool:

Cable it comes with is not 14-15 foot.

You may have to find some kind of extension to add to it because it's doubtful any Playstation cable with the multi-out port connector on one end will have a 15 foot audio cables out the other end.

Well today we tried Talladega Nights and it played the whole movie straight through on the first time. Not really sure what is going on because I didn't do anything different setup wise.
That's actually great news (so it CAN be done).

I've heard in the past that early HDMI switches worked if no source switching occured. For example, if you were watching a DVD-upconverted movie and switched to another HDMI source AND BACK to the DVD, there would be HDCP issues and the picture would stop playing after a while. Power cycling everything was the only way to fix this.

Maybe that's what we're seeing here.

-KLH

I remember seeing the multi-out port and seeing a different type of connection than RCA. If this is the case are there different lengths available for that cable? I plan on having the PS3 about 14-15' from where the amplifiers are located.

The multi-AV port allows the PS3 to output composite, S-video, and component video signals and an analog stereo signal. Here's (http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Playstation-Component-AV-Cable/dp/B0000520GE) an example of the component version.

The cable's length is 6'. For your purposes, I suggest buying two female-to-female RCA adapters and a 10' stereo RCA cable. Solved. I would also suggest buying the component version of the multi-AV cable just in case you DO want to connect the video via component.

BTW, this port is the same on the PS2 so using the (cheaper) PS2 cables work too.

Have fun!

-KLH

Both said yes, that should work fine...
Well I installed the USB stick into one of the ports besides the controller's port and it showed up on the screen, it said USB Device(2.0 FD)
then I went to system update and followed screen instructions when it said update via media stick, I hit X and I got a message: No Applicable update data was found.....
That should have worked. I don't mean to be cavalier but I would recommend getting that ethernet cable now to do the update.
Also My system shows firmware 1.1 I put in a game Full Auto I think is the name, and the game starts playing, but I don't get any sound....I'm getting sound fine from Blu Ray playback..Is this because I don't have the 1.32 firmware??

I would recommend updating the fw (there has been several "fixes" since 1.1). Second, I would recommend revisiting the sound settings AFTER the update.

Let us know if/how it worked out.

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

Oops, my bad. I thought the PS3 would run composite right out of the box. Not sure why I thought that.

No bad, actually it will, as the 'multi' out is just standard RCA composite. Maybe you were thinking component?
I had the assumption that HDMI or component cables would be included with my system as that it was advertised. Wrong.
My bad.

Mini review on PS3 as a blu ray player on a sharp 37in 1080p lcd.

Well, not what I expected. I brought the 37d90u tv with the ps3 in mind. So far I've watched about 6 blu ray movies connected via hdmi to the sharp 1080p lcd. Did not get the wow factor I wanted. I was expecting the somewhere along the line of when I went from dvd to hdtv. blu ray in 1080p is pretty much the same as a 1080i ota CSI. What a disappointment, well just a minor one. Compare to 480p dvd is a big jump. But to ota 1080i, well to my eyes anyway it is the same. Also, it froze 4 out of the 6 movies I watched. And yes, I have the latest firmware updated and also leave plenty of room for ventilation..

If I have to do it again, I would have just save my money and go with a 1080i tv and wait it out until more movies are available on blu ray or hd-dvd. But it's the price I paid for being an early adaptor. Would I recommend the ps3 to my friends? Yes, if you have money to burn and you are impatient. No if you care about your hard earned cash, it’s a lot to pay for such a small gain.

I called EB games and went to Best buy and asked if I could install the firmware update from my USB media storage unit by putting it in one of the front USB ports where you plug the controller into..
Both said yes, that should work fine...
Well I installed the USB stick into one of the ports besides the controller's port and it showed up on the screen, it said USB Device(2.0 FD)
then I went to system update and followed screen instructions when it said update via media stick, I hit X and I got a message: No Applicable update data was found.....

Need a few suggestions here...
Thanks,
Rick

The update file (PS3UPDAT.PUP) has to be put in \PS3\UPDATE for the PS3 to see it. This can be on a USB stick, or if you have a 60GB PS3 you can put it on most types of flash media cards and stick one into the card reader on the front of the machine.

Mini review on PS3 as a blu ray player on a sharp 37in 1080p lcd.

Well, not what I expected. I brought the 37d90u tv with the ps3 in mind. So far I've watched about 6 blu ray movies connected via hdmi to the sharp 1080p lcd. Did not get the wow factor I wanted. I was expecting the somewhere along the line of when I went from dvd to hdtv. blu ray in 1080p is pretty much the same as a 1080i ota CSI. What a disappointment, well just a minor one. Compare to 480p dvd is a big jump. But to ota 1080i, well to my eyes anyway it is the same. Also, it froze 4 out of the 6 movies I watched. And yes, I have the latest firmware updated and also leave plenty of room for ventilation..

If I have to do it again, I would have just save my money and go with a 1080i tv and wait it out until more movies are available on blu ray or hd-dvd. But it's the price I paid for being an early adaptor. Would I recommend the ps3 to my friends? Yes, if you have money to burn and you are impatient. No if you care about your hard earned cash, it’s a lot to pay for such a small gain.

well, at only 37", 1080p wont really shine, you need a larger screen to really see the diffrence.

Sorry to hear that Klive. Ive watched two blu-rays on my PS3 - Kingdom of Heaven (Unreal transfer) and Monster House (very nice as well). Have had no hiccups at all. I also own the Tosh XA-1 and the 360 add-on HD DVD drive.

1080i is the same resolution as 1080p. The only difference is potentially less artifacts in the deinterlacing process. It's the extra couple of percent of quality, and results will vary, and you'll still get more Wow from HD video vs film, but there too YMMV.

Do we have any idea on the PS3 supply situation? I'm hoping to find one at retail soon.

I had my first freezing problems last night. So far we had watched Talledegga and Superman Returns with no problems. We watched The Descent last night and it froze in 3 places. But if I just let it sit like 10 secs it unfroze and kept playing. The picture and sounds stopped but I dont think the system was froze. Do you think it is a handshake problem?? Weird it only happened on the third movie. I have a Phillips HDMI cable I picked up from Sams Club.

I have a Phillips HMDI cable I picked up from Sams Club.

You need to take that cable back and ask for an HDMI cable :D

All joking aside, I've had success with 90% of my DVDs, but everynow and then I'll get a disc skip, and I keep up to date with all the firmware updates.

The skips I get however, don't go away. The remote loses all functionality and I have to shut down the PS3 entirely and turn it back on to get it playing again.

Question for those with more experience with HDMI. I have a Denon AVR-3806 that I run a component cable to a projector from. All of current components hook into the Denon with component cables.

I just got a PS3 for the Blu-Ray player and was curious if I could hook it up to the Denon with an HDMI cable - would the video continue to the projector via Component and the audio be sent to the speakers hooked up to the Denon receiver? Thank you in advance for any replies.

You need to take that cable back and ask for an HDMI cable :D

All joking aside, I've had success with 90% of my DVDs, but everynow and then I'll get a disc skip, and I keep up to date with all the firmware updates.

The skips I get however, don't go away. The remote loses all functionality and I have to shut down the PS3 entirely and turn it back on to get it playing again.

Yeah that seems to be the difference between what I am reading and what happened with mine. I dont have to restart the system, just wait 10 secs or so for it to start playing again.

The update file (PS3UPDAT.PUP) has to be put in \PS3\UPDATE for the PS3 to see it. This can be on a USB stick, or if you have a 60GB PS3 you can put it on most types of flash media cards and stick one into the card reader on the front of the machine.
Where do you go in the ps3 screen to put the PS3update for the ps3 to see the update file...
Rick

http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates/pc_update.html#update_PC

When playing a game is there a way to check the video output to see what resolution? Is there a seperate setting on the PS3 for video output on games and one for Blu Ray settings?

Rick

Hey guys,

I need help... I just purchased a 60gb PS3 and last night I tried to hook it up on my Mitsubishi WD73727 with HDMI 800 Monster cable but I can't get it to display at 1080p. Right now it's at 1080i. I tried "custom" video setting on PS3 but the screen will blank out. Please help guys. Thanks.

Hey Gang,
Does anyone have a receiver mated with a PS3 and that will output 7.1 LPCM over the receivers HDMI?

I need help... I just purchased a 60gb PS3 and last night I tried to hook it up on my Mitsubishi WD73727 with HDMI 800 Monster cable but I can't get it to display at 1080p. Right now it's at 1080i. I tried "custom" video setting on PS3 but the screen will blank out. Please help guys. Thanks.
While the WD73727 displays 1080p, I don't believe it can accept 1080p input. This is common across most of the first generation 1080p displays...

Does anyone have a receiver mated with a PS3 and that will output 7.1 LPCM over the receivers HDMI?All the latest Denon receivers do this. Note there are no 7.1 Blu-ray titles are available, so 7.1 content is currently limited to games.

I had my first freezing problems last night. So far we had watched Talledegga and Superman Returns with no problems. We watched The Descent last night and it froze in 3 places. But if I just let it sit like 10 secs it unfroze and kept playing. The picture and sounds stopped but I dont think the system was froze. Do you think it is a handshake problem?? Weird it only happened on the third movie. I have a Phillips HDMI cable I picked up from Sams Club.

I've had one similar brief freeze/resumption during MI-III (except I think mine was shorter, just a few secs).

Anyway, there's another thread where people are reporting occurances, you should post there.

Do we have any idea on the PS3 supply situation? I'm hoping to find one at retail soon.

There are a few brick n mortar stores that have the 20gb version on hand. Next to that, your best bet is to buy online. There are several online stores now where you can buy it at MSRP but you must also buy in a bundle. Since this is getting a bit off-topic, I'll just refer you to this link: http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-uT6des08cqXphP38wHs-?cq=1&p=44

That should have worked. I don't mean to be cavalier but I would recommend getting that ethernet cable now to do the update.

I would recommend updating the fw (there has been several "fixes" since 1.1). Second, I would recommend revisiting the sound settings AFTER the update.

Let us know if/how it worked out.

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

I'd like to help out on the PS3 Updating via PC issue.

In my experience, I was never able to get the PS3 to update via a flash drive downloaded from the PC until I already had firmware version 1.30 on my PS3. Before that, I would insert the flash drive and it would be recognized, but when I went to update via removable media it would always say there was no applicable update data found. Yes I was using the right file path and I tried 3 different flash drives including 2 USB and one CF card. It just simply didn't work until I took the PS3 to another location, hardwired it to the internet and then had 1.30 installed.

Since then, I've been able to update versions 1.31 and 1.32 via a usb flash drive. Perhaps there was something in the version 1.30 firmware update that allowed the PS3 to recognize the update data in that file path that it wasn't recognizing before.

Hope that helps.

Brandon

When playing a game is there a way to check the video output to see what resolution?
My TV (Samsung 6178) can display the resolution that the source is. When I press the TV remote's "display" button, it shows the input and incoming resolution. See if yours can do the same.
Is there a seperate setting on the PS3 for video output on games and one for Blu Ray settings?
Provided you have the resolution selected, The PS3 seems to pass the media's intended source to the TV. Most BD seem to be 1080p - so the PS3 tries to pass 1080p/i to the TV; if not available, it seems to fall back to 480p. For games (most are at 720p), it tries to pass 720p to the TV; if not available, it seems to fall back to 480p.

The PS3 doesn't have dedicated video scaling chips so this feature needs to be provided via firmware. For games, since scaling isn't in the firmware (yet) - so if the game's native resolution isn't available on a TV, it falls back to 480p instead of going to another compatible HD resolution. I hope I phrased that correctly.

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

Can someone walk me thru or link me instructions on how to set up the PS3? I'm having a heck of a time and I thought I knew what I was doing,

HD70 pj
H/K receiver

I want to use HDMI for video and optical for audio. I have confirmed all parts including cables are in working order.

I can't seem to get audio thru optical working at all and having a heck of a time just getting to the menu thru HDMI. For example if I hook up just HDMI and hold the power down for 5 seconds (till 2nd beep), the memu come up, but I can't seem to change anything

Right now I have it up and running thru analog. Yup, composite w/LR RCA's that came with the system.

Any suggestions, help, would be appreciated.

Ok so has anyone played a PS2 game on there PS3. I just tried to and when it comes up the video gets screwed. It shifts about 1/8 of the picture off the screen and that 1/8th comes around the other side and the same for the top. Its clear just completely cut off overscanned, etc. I have a samsung HLP4663 DLP. I assume this has something to do with 480i/p over HDMI to my TV? 720P and 1080i work fine.

Ok so has anyone played a PS2 game on there PS3. I just tried to and when it comes up the video gets screwed. It shifts about 1/8 of the picture off the screen and that 1/8th comes around the other side and the same for the top. Its clear just completely cut off overscanned, etc. I have a samsung HLP4663 DLP. I assume this has something to do with 480i/p over HDMI to my TV? 720P and 1080i work fine.

I've played a PS1 game (Chrono Cross) and a PS2 game (Gran Turismo 4) on my PS3 and both worked fine.

Brandon

Can someone walk me thru or link me instructions on how to set up the PS3? I'm having a heck of a time and I thought I knew what I was doing,

HD70 pj
H/K receiver

I want to use HDMI for video and optical for audio. I have confirmed all parts including cables are in working order.

I can't seem to get audio thru optical working at all and having a heck of a time just getting to the menu thru HDMI. For example if I hook up just HDMI and hold the power down for 5 seconds (till 2nd beep), the memu come up, but I can't seem to change anything

Right now I have it up and running thru analog. Yup, composite w/LR RCA's that came with the system.

Any suggestions, help, would be appreciated.

OK, I'm up and running, with one problem: no audio on games :(

Got HDMI to PJ, works great!
Got Optical to my HT Receiver, works great on movies, get the "clicking" sound when I move thru the menu, but no audio when I put in a game.

I'm sure it is something silly easy, but any help would be appreciated.

Seriosuly, I dont know what to tell you. Theres a lot of people out there that claim they have no problems whatsoever. Im being honest with you, the video games play just fine. The Blu Ray movies just keep freezing, they wont even play. Well..they will play after many freezes.

When Sony replaces my system, I dont even know if I want to update my firmware, untill I know they have fixed it.

But yeah..as far as I know, you cant take off your firmware once you have it downloaded.


This may have already been suggested, but have you guys with the freezing problems with BD playback tried cleaning the discs? You know, fingerprints and smudges and dirt on the disc may be causing this----

I've played a PS1 game (Chrono Cross) and a PS2 game (Gran Turismo 4) on my PS3 and both worked fine.

Brandon


Are you using HDMI?

OK, I'm up and running, with one problem: no audio on games :(

Got HDMI to PJ, works great!
Got Optical to my HT Receiver, works great on movies, get the "clicking" sound when I move thru the menu, but no audio when I put in a game.

I'm sure it is something silly easy, but any help would be appreciated.Rebot the PS3 and than try the game again with new settings.

I've been reading around a bit about HDCP and found this: "If a source device is HDCP coded and is connected to a HDTV display or projector without the proper HDCP decoding mechanism, you can either have no picture or 480i picture."
Is that right? My tv's DVI input isn't HDCP compliant and it seems to work well, though I thought PQ would be better.
Or is there a better place to post this?

Well it seems like people on the thread for my TV say it's HDCP compliant, the manual say's it's only EIA-861....

I have tried many HDMI-DVI cables into a few tv's that are HDCP compliant. and have os far had no luck. From what I have read you need a HDMI 19 pin to a DVI 24+1?

Jon

I have tried many HDMI-DVI cables into a few tv's that are HDCP compliant. and have os far had no luck. From what I have read you need a HDMI 19 pin to a DVI 24+1?

Jon
No luck as in no picture? I'm using a generic HDMI to DVI cable from Walmart.

Are you using HDMI?

Yes I use HDMI for video to my tv (no hdmi receiver yet) and optical for audio to my receiver. I haven't played either game extensively because there isn't much reason for me to. But I put each one in and played for about 15 minutes with no audio or video issues.

Brandon

Sorry if this has been covered, but have been looking here to no avail for the bottom line so it would be good if someone can summarize exactly how good of a BD player the PS3 is compared to the standalone Sony BD Player and how that compares to the HDa1 Toshiba HD dvd player for anyone that's "format neutral".

I have a Tosh HDA1 and have been Ok with the picture but had a chance when I popped into Target last night to pick up a Sony PS3 (which I did). I'd mostly be using it as a BD player as I have Xbox 360 and more games than I can handle. I may return the PS3 as I'm seeing people having a lot of issues with freezing and playing of BD discs and don't want to be a beta tester but want to see true 1080p all the way through to the Ruby. Haven't opened the box yet as I wanted to research here then decide if I want to bring the player back to Target.

Having the Sony Ruby could be pretty stellar as I've been very impressed with the BB demo of the BDP player compared to what I'm seeing on HD DVD. Also have a single cable running from a Crystalio2 to upscale the signal to 1080p.

I'm also very interested in making sure that the PS3 can do Dolby TrueHD and DTSHD on the audio side. Can it do it now or is it a future firmware upgrade?

TIA

owl1

there are couple of articles available on the net that compare PS3 with other BD players and each one raves about the PS3, there are links somewhere in this thread or google it. Only major complaints seem to be using the joystick for the remote and PS3 not automatically playing the BD disk upon insertion, need to selection it in the menu.

PS3 can do the Dolby TrueHD now over HDMI. DTS-HDMA is supposedly coming with a firmware update.

Keep the PS3, it's the HD player out right now, HD-DVD or BD IMO. You're looking at 10 seconds from poweroff/standby to BD menu (yes, automatically if you have auto-login configured) and VERY responsive even with the SIXAXIS, though the separate BD remote is much more familiar to the ergonomics of your standard remote.

Pure geek factor thumbs up from the audio/video bitrate meters and codec display from the info display giving you the usual chapter number, time display, etc too.

audio question/help

my PS3 is setup to output optical audio to my Denon DD/DTS compliant amp, PS3 setting is set to PCM/DD/DTS output. Got my first BD yesteryday, Talladega Nights. Default audio from the disk 640kb DD which worked fine, sounds so-so. So I changed the BD output to the other audio setting, think DD HD or something. My amp had audio but displayed Dolby Pro Logic II on the screen so I think PS3 is outputting PCM stereo. First off is this correct behavior? secondly, I have the Toshiba HD-A2 HD-DVD player and it transcoded the new HD audio outputs to DTS 1.5mb, from what I read basically the highest quality audio you can get from the optical ouput. Is there some setting in the PS3 that I missed that can do the same or I am stuck on the PCM stereo only? not sure what the daterate is for the PCM output from PS3

TIA
Jeff

I just got the PS3 set up and will be using it half the time for Blu Ray movies. Are there any remote control codes anywhere that can be downloaded so it can be feed into the Pronto remote??? :rolleyes:

I'm also very interested in making sure that the PS3 can do Dolby TrueHD and DTSHD on the audio side. Can it do it now or is it a future firmware upgrade?

TIA
The PS3 is a very, very good BD player. Even if you never play a game on it, its well worth the price just to be used as a BD player. Its performance is comparable to the Sony stand alone.

I'm not sure about Dolby True HD at the moment, but if its not currently active, both it and DTSHD decoding will be active with a future firmware upgrade. The PS3 is the most complete BD player on the market.

owl,

I have a Tosh XA-1 and a PS3. Love both. Im keeping the XA-1 for the upconversion of SDs and of course the playability of HD DVDs. I watched Kingdom of Heaven on blu the other night. Oh man, what a picture. On the HD DVD side, the Hulk looked awesome as well.

I too have a 360, and a Wii :)

I just got the PS3 set up and will be using it half the time for Blu Ray movies. Are there any remote control codes anywhere that can be downloaded so it can be feed into the Pronto remote??? :rolleyes:

if your Pronto using bluetooth not IR then maybe :rolleyes:

PS3 doesnt support IR using bluetooth instead. Guess there are some PS2 IR adapters you might be able to try. Hopefully someone comes out with a PS3 IR adapter soon

No luck as in no picture? I'm using a generic HDMI to DVI cable from Walmart.

Some sets will give me a quick flash at best but ussually no immage. I have tried it also on Computer Monitors.

Jon

The PS3 is a very, very good BD player. Even if you never play a game on it, its well worth the price just to be used as a BD player. Its performance is comparable to the Sony stand alone.

I'm not sure about Dolby True HD at the moment, but if its not currently active, both it and DTSHD decoding will be active with a future firmware upgrade. The PS3 is the most complete BD player on the market.


It is a shame we can't get a truly "complete' player yet. You know one that has all of the decoding options at release and can be used with a universal IR remote like the Logitech Harmony.

Some sets will give me a quick flash at best but ussually no immage. I have tried it also on Computer Monitors.

Jon
From what I've read on the PS3 forums, the HDMI connection has HDCP enabled, so if the DVI input isn't HDCP compliant, then you won't get a picture. Have to tried another video interface to make sure your PS3 is working correctly?

So as of right now, the PS3 cannot process which audio tracks? TrueHD and MA-DTS-HD? That's all? Are there any other known problems on the audio side?

Only DTS-HD(nothing can, currently), in which case it will extract just the core DTS from it.

So as of right now, the PS3 cannot process which audio tracks? TrueHD and MA-DTS-HD? That's all? Are there any other known problems on the audio side?

So as of right now, the PS3 cannot process which audio tracks? TrueHD and MA-DTS-HD? That's all? Are there any other known problems on the audio side?The PS3 does currently decode TrueHD, assuming you're connected via HDMI. DTS-HD MA expected in a firmware update.

- Talk

Here's a question that I have not seen asked at any point, and I cannot seem to find an answer in the user manual, here, or through numerous online searches.

Since the console uses a disc feed mechanism instead of a disc tray, is it possible to load mini DVD's?

If not, I will surely be disappointed if I cannot view my media from my DVD camcorder---- :mad:

Here's a question that I have not seen asked at any point, and I cannot seem to find an answer in the user manual, here, or through numerous online searches.

Since the console uses a disc feed mechanism instead of a disc tray, is it possible to load mini DVD's?

If not, I will surely be disappointed if I cannot view my media from my DVD camcorder---- :mad:

IIRC I remember reading about a user loading a mini DVD (80 mm) and loading it on the PS3. Also If memory serves right he did not need any tray adapter. Your best bet would be to try it if you have a PS3 or if you know someone with one.

IIRC I remember reading about a user loading a mini DVD (80 mm) and loading it on the PS3. Also If memory serves right he did not need any tray adapter. Your best bet would be to try it if you have a PS3 or if you know someone with one.


Thnaks for the response, but I certainly don't want to try it on mine and risk ruining the drive, let alone someone else's drive. Perhaps someone who knows for sure?

Here's a video of someone putting a mini dvd in a PS3:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20061111/ps3_avc.htm

So yeah, they work in PS3's.
mini dvd = 8cm dvd, right?

Here's a video of someone putting a mini dvd in a PS3:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20061111/ps3_avc.htm

mini dvd = 8cm dvd, right?


Yes, and thanks for the link. I feel better now, whew. Now I can go try it and see if it actually PLAYS in the drive. I'm sure that this demo video was not just to prove that the drive ACCEPTS the disc, but plays it as well (assuming the correct readable format by the drive)?

8cm discs are specifically specified to work in the Owner's manual (both offline and on) as long as they're round and not an irregular shape.

The PS3 does currently decode TrueHD, assuming you're connected via HDMI. DTS-HD MA expected in a firmware update.

- Talk

Ok, thanks for the quick response. I am connected by HDMI, to a fully compliant receiver (Denon 2307CI) so for now I should be able to do everything except DTS-HD. Sounds good to me :)

audio question/help

my PS3 is setup to output optical audio to my Denon DD/DTS compliant amp, PS3 setting is set to PCM/DD/DTS output. Got my first BD yesteryday, Talladega Nights. Default audio from the disk 640kb DD which worked fine, sounds so-so. So I changed the BD output to the other audio setting, think DD HD or something. My amp had audio but displayed Dolby Pro Logic II on the screen so I think PS3 is outputting PCM stereo. First off is this correct behavior? secondly, I have the Toshiba HD-A2 HD-DVD player and it transcoded the new HD audio outputs to DTS 1.5mb, from what I read basically the highest quality audio you can get from the optical ouput. Is there some setting in the PS3 that I missed that can do the same or I am stuck on the PCM stereo only? not sure what the daterate is for the PCM output from PS3

TIA
Jeff

Jeff:

The optical connection does not support the advanced codecs. You have to have an HDMI audio connection for that (and probably a HDMI 1.3 for the DTS Master HD I think - someone can correct me if I am wrong (That is until the player can decode it via a presumed firmware update)). Optical gets only Bitstream/Plain DD, Plan DTS no Dolby True-HD, no DTS HD Master etc.

Does that help? Can you connect via HDMI for sound?

Another question---

Does the PS3 output CD audio through the bitstream optical output? Keyword = CD? Or do you have to output CD through the analog or HDMI outputs?

Optical works for cd playback.

Now I don't want to go through this whole thread, but do the PS3's upconvert DVDs?

Thanks and sorry since this has probably have been asked about 1000 times.

Optical works for cd playback.


Thanks, Paul, got it working that way.

Strange, I set the display detect to auto, and the PS3 came back with 1080P as detected, as well as 480P, 720P, 1080i; all selected. My display doesn't support 1080P, but it is accepting the 1080P signal and working just fine. :confused:

Thoughts on this?

Thanks, Paul, got it working that way.

Strange, I set the display detect to auto, and the PS3 came back with 1080P as detected, as well as 480P, 720P, 1080i; all selected. My display doesn't support 1080P, but it is accepting the 1080P signal and working just fine. :confused:

Thoughts on this?

I had this same thing happen. Your TV is likely scaling the 1080p input to 720p.

Just got a PS3, Circuit city unopened return (went in to buy a Blu Ray Player), and now have it hooked up to my projector and showing it on a 133 inch screen. Now, I'm not sure what people are complaining about with PQ, but I see it as being significantly better than SD DVD. I also have the Toshiba HD DVD player and love that as well. I'm very happy with the pics of both machines as all I want is as much HD content as I can get.

Oh, by the way, the movies I picked up and scanned through were

Kingdom of Heaven
X-Men 3
Talledega Nights
Underworld Evolution
T3
Stealth


All are quality PQ pics for me. I honestly think people are way too picky about this stuff.

I had my first hard lock up this evening partway through X-Men 3, and I haven't updated it to the very latest firmware. A cruddy film anyway, but this is the first time something has actually frozen the PS3 where I had to reboot it.

It played fine afterwards. I still get occational, tiny audio hiccups though.

Any word on whether Sony is getting these minor things, as well as the big ones like real 1080p/24 output and DTS Master Audio, under control?

Dan

Just got my first look at Resistance FOM.

I'm getting letterbox bars at the top and bottom of the screen; I thought this odd considering the game was written for 16:9 ratio screens, correct? After all, this is no movie.

Is this the norm for anyone here that has played the game?

Now I don't want to go through this whole thread, but do the PS3's upconvert DVDs?

Thanks and sorry since this has probably have been asked about 1000 times.


Not at this time, maybe a future firmware update.

Sorry, another question. Long day of enjoying my new PS3!

But it is now bedtime. When the controller is plugged in to the USB cable, is it automatically charging when the console is in standy mode?

Just got my first look at Resistance FOM.

I'm getting letterbox bars at the top and bottom of the screen; I thought this odd considering the game was written for 16:9 ratio screens, correct? After all, this is no movie.

Is this the norm for anyone here that has played the game?

I have no letterbox bars when playing Resistance. I have a Sony XBR1 LCD television running at 720p. I'm thinking this may have something to do with a TV setting of yours because there's no way the game should be running that way even if it's in 480i/p.

Sorry, another question. Long day of enjoying my new PS3!

But it is now bedtime. When the controller is plugged in to the USB cable, is it automatically charging when the console is in standy mode?

I believe the controller only charges while the PS3 is turned on. If the charge light on the controller is any indication, when it is in standby mode the controller will stop charging.

Brandon

The PS3 is a very, very good BD player. Even if you never play a game on it, its well worth the price just to be used as a BD player. Its performance is comparable to the Sony stand alone.

I'm not sure about Dolby True HD at the moment, but if its not currently active, both it and DTSHD decoding will be active with a future firmware upgrade. The PS3 is the most complete BD player on the market.


I would like to see any concrete information or even speculation from sony that the ps3 will be updated to decode DTSMA....I keep hearing this but no links...?????.. :eek:

I'm sure it's been posted I havn't had any freeze ups yet on my player but if I do, what do you do to Un lock it...With my HD A1 I have to unplug the machine to restart it..
Rick

I'm sure it's been posted I havn't had any freeze ups yet on my player but if I do, what do you do to Un lock it...With my HD A1 I have to unplug the machine to restart it..
Rick

Cycle power with the rear switch.

I have no letterbox bars when playing Resistance. I have a Sony XBR1 LCD television running at 720p. I'm thinking this may have something to do with a TV setting of yours because there's no way the game should be running that way even if it's in 480i/p.



I believe the controller only charges while the PS3 is turned on. If the charge light on the controller is any indication, when it is in standby mode the controller will stop charging.

Brandon


OOPS, you're right, Brandon. It's only the cut scenes that are showing the bars. During gameplay, they're not there. My bad, sorry!