Hi guys,

Got a 20gig model this week for my son to game on and for me to watch BD. The PS3 is hooked up to a Mits 65315 RPCRT via HDMI/DVI with audio going optical to a Pio 1015 and everything is working just fine. One question though: I've read much about the console sending 720P games at 480p to sets that don't accept 720p (mine doesn't). The oddity is when my son is playing Resistance FOM, and I check the TVs display, it says it's displaying in 1080i. I don't think my set upscales, though I could be wrong, so I'm wondering why it's displaying in 1080i instead of the 480p I've read so much about.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

Here are a couple of observations for those that are concerned about the much talked about SD DVD upscaling capabilities of the PS3.

My reference point is the highly rated OppO HDMI upscaling DVD player, which my PS3 is going to replace.

I can visually see NO DIFFERENCE between the picture quality of the two players. If anything, the PS3 is has slightly BETTER PQ and resolution than the OppO.

I am using a 50" Panny plasma display through HDMI (for both).

If the one concern that is keeping you away from the PS3 is its upscaling abilities (or lack thereof), you can, based on my observations, leave that thought behind, breathe a sigh of relief, and pull the trigger on the Sony. Trust me you won't be disappointed.

My reference DVD's include "The Chronciles of Riddick" (looks almost HD through the PS3, much better PQ than the OppO), "Saving Private Ryan", "Gladiator", and even Digital Video Essentials itself among many others. Either the OppO is HIGHLY overrated, or the PS3 is getting a terrible, terrible rap about its scaling abilities.

There is also no comparison between these SD DVD titles and the crap BD "Talledegah Nights" that came with the system. Sony sure didn't do itself any favors by sending that terrible BD transfer out with their flagship system. It has got to be one of the worst HD transfers I have ever seen, especially considering that SD DVD's blow it away. What were they thinking? The only thing that I can imagine is that the Japanese figure that all Americans are NASCAR fanatics and that would help them sell more?

Hi guys,

Got a 20gig model this week for my son to game on and for me to watch BD. The PS3 is hooked up to a Mits 65315 RPCRT via HDMI/DVI with audio going optical to a Pio 1015 and everything is working just fine. One question though: I've read much about the console sending 720P games at 480p to sets that don't accept 720p (mine doesn't). The oddity is when my son is playing Resistance FOM, and I check the TVs display, it says it's displaying in 1080i. I don't think my set upscales, though I could be wrong, so I'm wondering why it's displaying in 1080i instead of the 480p I've read so much about.

Any ideas?

Thanks.
I did some poking around and it seems like that TV has a upscaler for 480p signals. That might be why it's displaying in 1080i. Check your owner's manual.

How's the PQ?

From http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/details/455999095

"480p upconversion system with Automatic Film Mode (3-2 Pull-down)"

I'm a little bit confused about the issues with the lack of a scaler in the PS3. Is this just an issue with the HDMI connection, or is it also a concern if I'm using a component cable? Also, is it a problem for CRT TVs or just displays such as DLP, Plasma, or LCD? For example, if your TV does not accept 720p, is it the PS3 that downscales the output to 480p, or it the TV taking the 720p output from the PS3 and displaying it at the highest resolution possible (assuming that the TV will not upscale)? If the PS3 is the one downscaling, I'm not sure I understand how it would know to do that.

I have an older model Toshiba 40" CRT HDTV. I know that it won't actually resolve the full 1080i, but it should accept a 1080i signal. If I were to play a 720p game, should I expect that to be downscaled to 480p over component?

Thanks in advance.

I'm a little bit confused about the issues with the lack of a scaler in the PS3. Is this just an issue with the HDMI connection, or is it also a concern if I'm using a component cable? Also, is it a problem for CRT TVs or just displays such as DLP, Plasma, or LCD? For example, if your TV does not accept 720p, is it the PS3 that downscales the output to 480p, or it the TV taking the 720p output from the PS3 and displaying it at the highest resolution possible (assuming that the TV will not upscale)? If the PS3 is the one downscaling, I'm not sure I understand how it would know to do that.

I have an older model Toshiba 40" CRT HDTV. I know that it won't actually resolve the full 1080i, but it should accept a 1080i signal. If I were to play a 720p game, should I expect that to be downscaled to 480p over component?

Thanks in advance.
Over component and HDMI( I don't think you can get HD signals over S-Video), if your TV doesn't take 720p signals, the PS3 will downscale the signal to 480p. The PS3 will downscale a signal to fit what you TV will accept: 1080p->1080i->720p->480p. Most games right now are in 720p while BD movies, IIRC, output to 1080p/i.
The PS3 will not upscale a signal, but some TV's do have built in upscalers.
So yes, if your TV doesn't display in 720p, the signal will downscale to 480p.
During the PS3 video res setup, it'll detect what video signals your tv will accept and allow you to select what resolutions you want sent to your TV. Though I don't think you can deselect 480p from the group of possible feeds.

I did some poking around and it seems like that TV has a upscaler for 480p signals. That might be why it's displaying in 1080i. Check your owner's manual.

How's the PQ?

From http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/details/455999095

"480p upconversion system with Automatic Film Mode (3-2 Pull-down)"

Found this in the owners manual about Film Mode

'The settings are On and Off. If you select On, the system automatically detects if the signal source is Film and corrects for conversion errors. If you select Off, the system will never correct for conversion errors. This function operates only in 480i mode.'

Also checked the setup for the DVI input and it's off by default.

The pq is good, but not wow. Seems to me that HDNET etc have a better PQ, but I'm giving it time, as my expectations may have been too high from some of the posts I've read. So far, I've watched the Talladega freebie (VERY disappointed in it's pq, not to mention just a dumb movie) and last night I picked up Blackhawk Down and T2. Both were noticeably better.

My son is very pleased with the games pq.

Of course, now I've got the itch to upgrade the display, as I've always planned on moving this beast downstairs to set up a small media room. Then I need to get an HDMI capable receiver...so wait for 1.3 capable receivers??...never ends

Still confused as to why the game displays at 1080i, as from what I read out of the manual, the display only converts 480i. This makes sense because when I play DVDs, they do display at 480p, hence my confusion over the consoles supposed downrez from 720p to 480p displaying as 1080i.

Thanks.

My reference point is the highly rated OppO HDMI upscaling DVD player, which my PS3 is going to replace.

I can visually see NO DIFFERENCE between the picture quality of the two players. If anything, the PS3 is has slightly BETTER PQ and resolution than the OppO.

I am using a 50" Panny plasma display through HDMI (for both).


You're not seeing the comparison between the PS3 and your OPPO. What you're discovering is that the scaling *in your display* is as-good or better than the scaling in the OPPO DVD player.

Since the PS3 is just outputing a 480p signal from your SD DVDs, it's your display's scaling that you're actually talking about.

Important to understand.

Over component and HDMI( I don't think you can get HD signals over S-Video), if your TV doesn't take 720p signals, the PS3 will downscale the signal to 480p. The PS3 will downscale a signal to fit what you TV will accept: 1080p->1080i->720p->480p. Most games right now are in 720p while BD movies, IIRC, output to 1080p/i.
The PS3 will not upscale a signal, but some TV's do have built in upscalers.
So yes, if your TV doesn't display in 720p, the signal will downscale to 480p.
During the PS3 video res setup, it'll detect what video signals your tv will accept and allow you to select what resolutions you want sent to your TV. Though I don't think you can deselect 480p from the group of possible feeds.

That makes sense as far as HDMI, but can the PS3 actually detect which video signals the TV will accept over the component connection? I assumed that component was a "one way" connection from the PS3 to the TV only. I should probably try to find the manual for the TV this evening to see what kind of resolution options I have. I've been watching ABC (720p) over an OTA HD Tuner using the component inputs. I'm almost sure I'm getting better than 480p, but that could be because the tuner is doing some type of scaling.

That makes sense as far as HDMI, but can the PS3 actually detect which video signals the TV will accept over the component connection?
Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Someone want to test it?
Though when you do go through the test, the display, if you get one, will ask you if you want to accept the current resolution and there's a countdown to revert to the previous resolution. Like when you change the screen settings on a PC.

Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Someone want to test it?
Though when you do go through the test, the display, if you get one, will ask you if you want to accept the current resolution and there's a countdown to revert to the previous resolution. Like when you change the screen settings on a PC.

I will go out on a limb and say it cannot detect :) that is the reason they have the confirmation screens on devices to confirm that you can see the picture. HDMI is digital so adding the handshake stuff to decide on resolution is trival.

You're not seeing the comparison between the PS3 and your OPPO. What you're discovering is that the scaling *in your display* is as-good or better than the scaling in the OPPO DVD player.

Since the PS3 is just outputing a 480p signal from your SD DVDs, it's your display's scaling that you're actually talking about.

Important to understand.


I see. So what you are saying, in actuality is, that if you have a great scaler in your display, then you really have no need for an upscaling DVD player at all? Correct?

I see. So what you are saying, in actuality is, that if you have a great scaler in your display, then you really have no need for an upscaling DVD player at all? Correct?

thats correct. however almost all displays are built with a very cheap scaler built into the tv....the manufacturer trys to keep produstion costs as low as possible. thats why most people will see better PQ when using an upscaling dvd player like the oppo dvd player. some displays have better scalers and can match or even better the job a upscaling dvd player will do. it all depends on your dvd, tv, cables, built in scaler, calibration, etc.....everyone results will very.

Cycle power with the rear switch.
What do you mean Cycle Power? Do you mean just shut off the power with the rear switch then put it back on in a few seconds?
Rick

Sorry, another question. Long day of enjoying my new PS3!

But it is now bedtime. When the controller is plugged in to the USB cable, is it automatically charging when the console is in standy mode?

I'm not sure if this has been posted elsewhere in this thread, but you can actually charge your controller through your PC. Just connect it to any open USB port. This works for the 360 play and charge kit as well.

What do you mean Cycle Power? Do you mean just shut off the power with the rear switch then put it back on in a few seconds?
Rick

Yes

Question- I've read that the PS3's 1080p output only functions at 60hz, so will my Samsung HL-S6187 be able to receive the 1080p signal? Anyone have any experience with this? Thanks

Question- I've read that the PS3's 1080p output only functions at 60hz, so will my Samsung HL-S6187 be able to receive the 1080p signal? Anyone have any experience with this? Thanks


Your TV is native 1080p, so yes, the PS3 will output 1080p to your TV and your TV will natively display it... I ordered this same TV, pick it up at some point tomorrow....

Has anyone watched Full Metal Jacket on BD yet? There's seems like A LOT of snow in the background. Is it my TV? I'm going to try watching a few BD movies with the component cables and see if that makes a difference.

I've been watching ABC (720p) over an OTA HD Tuner using the component inputs. I'm almost sure I'm getting better than 480p, but that could be because the tuner is doing some type of scaling. I believe your HD Tuner is upscaling 720p video to 1080i, making the feed compatible with your HDTV. So far you're in luck with BD movies; it's your son that's getting shafted with 480p upconverted to 1080i.


fuad

Alright, I finally set up my PS3 tonight. I bought Tears of the Sun to watch as my first BD movie, and the result was very...poor.

Now, I just purchased the 360 HD-DVD drive the other day and watched Kong in HD. It was fantastic. However, in Tears, there just seemed to be this in escapable grain in every single scene pretty much. Especially early in the movie where theres shots of the sky and such. My friend brought over Hulk on HD-DVD, and we switched over to that and the difference was amazing.

Please, if you can, help me to correct whatever I'm doing wrong. I'm using a Samsung HL-S6187w with a PS3 hooked up via HDMI cable. Display is set to 1080p.

Like I said before, the grain is just...it's really bad. Close-up shots of faces and everything look great, but in the backgrounds there always seems to be this really distracting grain. I've tried adjust sharpness and it doesn't seem to help at all. I have run this TV through with the AVIA disc, and like I said, HD-DVDs look astounding with the exact same settings.

Thanks for your help.

dan,

Very few (if any) movies on either format can match Kong and Hulk.

For a more realistic comparison, try The Chronicles of Riddick, Seabiscuit, and Mission: Impossible III on HD-DVD. Kingdom of Heaven, Black Hawk Down, and Tears of the Sun are more comparable to those. Also try The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Transporter 2 on Blu-ray.

If you want to compare the same movie on both BD and HD-DVD players, rent Corpse Bride. If you want to see a movie with a lot of grain on HD-DVD, rent 2 Fast and 2 Furious.

Thanks for all the great info regarding the PS3, I absolutely love mine as a BD player and as a gaming machine. Here is my question: Last year I ran a 40ft HDMI cable in my wall from my A/V cabinet to my plasma. Now, being that the PS3 is HDMI 1.3 and all future HDMI blades, receivers, etc. being 1.3, will my cable be obsolete? I think that 1.3 are mostly upgrades to the electronics and not the cabling, I hope that is the case cause it cost me a pretty penny to get that installed.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated, thanks.

I think that 1.3 are mostly upgrades to the electronics and not the cabling, I hope that is the case cause it cost me a pretty penny to get that installed.
Existing cabling will work just fine with HDMI 1.3.

That is what I initially speculated, thanks for the re-assurance.

Ok, here goes:

PS3 (60gb Firmware 1.32) connected via Monster (all I could find) Component cables packfor the PS3;
Output set for 1080i60 on PS3;
connected directly to
Panasonic PT-AE900 (presumably scaling the 1080i60 to 720p internally);
Projected on 106" GreyWolf I Screen 14' away.

(Comparison is current SDDVD upscaled via HDMI from Denon 1920 (720p output setting) Played Stealth tonight for my first Blu-Ray. I don't know where it falls in the Blu-Ray PQ camp but I can't say I was all that impressed.

Does anyone note a major difference between HDMI and Component connections from the PS3?

Should I chose another title for a PQ example? I will be trying X Men III tomorrow. I have the Devil Wears Prada but understand that is no winner either. I am also going to compare it with an SDDVD at 480p and see how it works.

Good news is that it's quiet. Doesn't run too hot and works very well once you get used to the menus. The Blu-Ray DVD remote is also very fast (But the buttons are not lit, it's black and they are small so you will have memorize the locations). No lockups on the first movie so all (knock wood) is well.

Finally, anyone got a USB keyboard working with the unit? I picked up one mini-USB at Frys yesterday and I can't get it to work at all. (BTC Ultra Slim Multimedia USB keyboard)???

Should I chose another title for a PQ example? I will be trying X Men III tomorrow. I have the Devil Wears Prada but understand that is no winner either. I am also going to compare it with an SDDVD at 480p and see how it works.Xmen3 has a lot of grain.

I would suggest you try Kingdom of Heaven, Black Hawk Down, Tears of the Sun, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and/or Transporter 2 on Blu-ray. For a good animation flic, try Corpse Bride. A number of Blockbusters in S. CA should carry those disks.

dan,

Very few (if any) movies on either format can match Kong and Hulk.



Many do not equate the fact that both KONG and HULK are Blue Screen based films. The work flow is considerably different. It is much easier to control film granularity in these situations than it is in pure live action shooting.

The HD-DVD side has done a masterful job at source selection. It seems to appeal to the video generation who prefer and expect the look of video and are less versed in how film is created. Many of the comments I read on what is valued with respect to PQ suggest this to me.

btw bfdtv,
a belated thanks to you and David Boulet for setting me straight with my earlier questions regarding the optical output of the PS3.

ted

Alright, I finally set up my PS3 tonight. I bought Tears of the Sun to watch as my first BD movie, and the result was very...poor.

Now, I just purchased the 360 HD-DVD drive the other day and watched Kong in HD. It was fantastic. However, in Tears, there just seemed to be this in escapable grain in every single scene pretty much. Especially early in the movie where theres shots of the sky and such. My friend brought over Hulk on HD-DVD, and we switched over to that and the difference was amazing.

Please, if you can, help me to correct whatever I'm doing wrong. I'm using a Samsung HL-S6187w with a PS3 hooked up via HDMI cable. Display is set to 1080p.

Like I said before, the grain is just...it's really bad. Close-up shots of faces and everything look great, but in the backgrounds there always seems to be this really distracting grain. I've tried adjust sharpness and it doesn't seem to help at all. I have run this TV through with the AVIA disc, and like I said, HD-DVDs look astounding with the exact same settings.

Thanks for your help.

Dan, I doubt you are doing anything wrong. With the exception of a handful of BD Movies (of which KOH is a prime example) everything seems to have a veil of grain and/or coarsseness to it. Some have said it is due to MPEG encoding but then KOH is ecoded in MPEG and it looks pretty good. Whatever the cause, it certainly detracts too much from the experience.

Any of you who have had freezing/lock-up problems with your PS3, please post about it here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9303100#post9303100

I'd like to help us all find out if there's a solution, or at least what's the possible source of the problem to help us help Sony.

Xmen3 has a lot of grain.

I would suggest you try Kingdom of Heaven, Black Hawk Down, Tears of the Sun, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and/or Transporter 2 on Blu-ray. For a good animation flic, try Corpse Bride. A number of Blockbusters in S. CA should carry those disks.


So in speaking of "grain" is it the "coarseness" or grittiness of the image vs HD-DVD "crispness" "clearness" (is that even a word?) perhaps "clarity" (is better) in the images. But what are we focusing on in those images for comparision? I must say Jessica Biel in the blue bikini looked very nice in some scenes - though I could be a bit biased - but she didn't jump out at me with real flesh tones and as if her bikini was actually real material on screen. I don't have an HD-DVD for comparision purposes. I am going to buy Corpse Bride today.

After seeing the Pio demo on the BDP-1 and the FD-1 at 1080p24 there is a lot to be desired on the films - particularly on the images of cloth and clothing. If Stealth is about 18-19mbs average data rate does KOH/BHD have a higher rate and/or a different actual film grain for the transfer? This is where the terms have me lost.


I have XMen III but it sounds like I need to rent a copy of Black Hawk Down, KOH or Transporter 2 - is there that much of a difference in the prints? What differences are we looking for that define non-coarseness in the image? Better freckles, hair definition, eye opacity?

And how much do we really lose with the conversion from 1080i to 720p (the Scaler in the Panasonic AE900 is pretty good but not superb)?

Any of you who have had freezing/lock-up problems with your PS3, please post about it here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9303100#post9303100

I'd like to help us all find out if there's a solution, or at least what's the possible source of the problem to help us help Sony.

Are you still having the lockup problem even after the Sony customer service rep instructed you to try the "reset" fix?

Brandon

How is your PS3 handling SD-DVDs? My PQ is better than my 360 and my upconverting LG DVD player. Is this typical? I thought the PS3 was suppose to be terrible with SD-DVDs.

There is a lot of info in this thread and I am slightly lost.

Could someone please tell me if I can play BD using PS3 outputting over component and what resolutions I can get ?

The TV is a Samsung LCD TV with a 1366x768 panel. Being a few years old - it does not have HDMI, only component, VGA and DVI. Since the component cables are plugged in right now, I would rather use that than using a HDMI->DVI converter - which may or may not work as this TV is definitely not HDCP compatible.

Thanks.


Edit - A little more searching turned up the facts - it can do 1080i over component. 1080p requires HDMI.

sintizerguy:

You found it. 1080i should always be checked on your PS3 assuming your TV supports same - otherwise all BD content is scaled down and output at 480p.

For now we are all waiting on Sony to re-enable (oh please) 720p output from the BD section of the device. I doubt that will happen since 720p is now passe and not "True HD" and won't sell any XBR2 or XBR3 sets.

How is your PS3 handling SD-DVDs? My PQ is better than my 360 and my upconverting LG DVD player. Is this typical? I thought the PS3 was suppose to be terrible with SD-DVDs.


I gather this was directed to me -- if not here's my response anyway. First from what I have read I would not put a SD-DVD in a PS3 to save my life. I have a perfectly good Denon 1920 that upscales to 720p very nicely and produces an image that is damn near close to HD quality on my AE900. Since the PS3 does not scale at all beyond its de-interlacing feature I am all but ignoring it as a DVD player.

When Sony impliments a firmware upgrade to SCALE SD_DVD then I will re-visit the issue. Perhaps I will try a comparision - thanks to your suggestion - between a DVD on the PS3 and the Dennon. I trust it will be no comparison at all.

No offense intended here but the scaler in the LG line of products is not considered to be of signifcant quality. Hence the 480p from the PS3 is likely better output to your TV that is now doing the scaling instead. What set do you have the PS3 working with?

Ok, here goes:

PS3 (60gb Firmware 1.32) connected via Monster (all I could find) Component cables packfor the PS3;
Output set for 1080i60 on PS3;
connected directly to
Panasonic PT-AE900 (presumably scaling the 1080i60 to 720p internally);
Projected on 106" GreyWolf I Screen 14' away.

(Comparison is current SDDVD upscaled via HDMI from Denon 1920 (720p output setting) Played Stealth tonight for my first Blu-Ray. I don't know where it falls in the Blu-Ray PQ camp but I can't say I was all that impressed.

Does anyone note a major difference between HDMI and Component connections from the PS3?



I'm sure someone will chime in, but does the PS3 deliver 1080 from BD over component? I might be wrong, but my understanding is that for BD only the HDMI transport delivers full resolution.

ted

I'm sure someone will chime in, but does the PS3 deliver 1080 from BD over component? I might be wrong, but my understanding is that for BD only the HDMI transport delivers full resolution.The PS3 will output 1080i over component, but not 1080p. No BD player will output 1080p over component.

Well I took the plunge and bought ps3 60 gig. I just happened to find some at EB Games of all places. They couldn't get rid of them nd tried to talk me OUT of buying it, telling me how they were not selling well at all. ll other stores were out of them.

SO I now I have one foot in each camp, as I own an XA1.

I have some ovbservations and questions:

1) I only own X3 for now on BD, but as mentioned here it is pretty grainy. I have a 1080p native display and it is connected over HDMI. Is this truly film grain, or compression artifacts? Are all BD titles thi grainy? My four HD DVD titles are cleaner. The Bourne Supremecy is a bit on the grainy side though.

2) X3 says 6.1 DTS HD MASTER AUDIO. Through optical, my receiver is seeing DTS ES Discrete! I didn't expect that....I thought the PS3 could not convert the higher bitstream to a lower bitstream...like what the Toshiba players do with convert DD+ to DTS over optical or co-ax. Has anyone else experienced this?

3) IS it same to upgrade the firmware? By safe I mean has anything been removed feature wise or changed in a negative way? Mine came with version 1.31 I think there is a 1.32. I have yet to get it connected to my wireless router...I am hoping it will support 40 bit WEP.

4) Has anyone gotten their PS3 to pass blacker than black? mine does not.

5) The PS3 will play BD 50 right?

Thanks for your help. This forum helped me decide to get a PS3.

1. Grain is good. VC-1 hides grain present in the original film masters. Embrace the grain, that's what film is supposed to look like.

2. The way the advanced audio codecs are implemented on BD makes it trivial to "strip out" the core "legacy" track so all players will pass cleanly a DTS or Dolby Digital from the more advanced variant thereof, not a PS3-specific trick. Still, I agree its nice.

3. Yes, none of the firmware upgrades have caused problems. But neither was 1.32 any massive difference. There will probably be another one soon, given the pattern so far.

4. Don't know, never calibrated.

5. Yes, of course. Shame on you for even asking :)

1) I only own X3 for now on BD, but as mentioned here it is pretty grainy. I have a 1080p native display and it is connected over HDMI. Is this truly film grain, or compression artifacts? Are all BD titles thi grainy? My four HD DVD titles are cleaner. The Bourne Supremecy is a bit on the grainy side though.X3 has some compression artifacts, but most of what you are seeing is grain. When there is a lot of grain in the image, it significantly increases the bandwidth necessary to preserve a high quality image. When inadequate bandwidth is available for a film or scene with a lot of grain, a softer image results, but I don't think you see that much on X3. You do see that on other titles though, particularly those using MPEG-2 on BD25.

2) X3 says 6.1 DTS HD MASTER AUDIO. Through optical, my receiver is seeing DTS ES Discrete! I didn't expect that....I thought the PS3 could not convert the higher bitstream to a lower bitstream...like what the Toshiba players do with convert DD+ to DTS over optical or co-ax. Has anyone else experienced this?All DTS-HD MA tracks -- on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray -- consist of two streams. The first stream is a standard "core" DTS track @ 1.5 Mbps. The second is the DTS-HD extension stream with all the added, high-resolution and lossless sound information. What you are getting through optical is the "core" DTS 6.1 track @ 1.5Mbps.

3) IS it same to upgrade the firmware? By safe I mean has anything been removed feature wise or changed in a negative way? Mine came with version 1.31 I think there is a 1.32. Yes, it is safe to upgrade the firmware.

4) Has anyone gotten their PS3 to pass blacker than black?No. We expect Sony to fix this in an upcoming software update. Note most standalone BD players also exhibit this issue.

5) The PS3 will play BD 50 right?Yes.

X3 has some compression artifacts, but most of what you are seeing is grain. When there is a lot of grain in the image, it significantly increases the bandwidth necessary to preserve a high quality image. When inadequate bandwidth is available for a film or scene with a lot of grain, a softer image results, but I don't think you see that much on X3. You do see that on other titles though, particularly those using MPEG-2 on BD25.

All DTS-HD MA tracks -- on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray -- consist of two streams. The first stream is a standard "core" DTS track @ 1.5 Mbps. The second is the DTS-HD extension stream with all the added, high-resolution and lossless sound information. What you are getting through optical is the "core" DTS 6.1 track @ 1.5Mbps.

Yes, it is safe to upgrade the firmware.

No. We expect Sony to fix this in an upcoming software update. Note most standalone BD players also exhibit this issue.

Yes.


Thanks for the help guys! I'm somewhat relieved to hear that other BD players also have BTB issues....though I so hope sony fixes it.

It's nice to be format neutral. Now, the studios and CE companies can kill each other and I don't care :D

I guess I was confused with the audio....I thought that "core" would mean stereo only sound. I was pleasantly suprised to see the ES track come up....makes me VERY happy.

Now i just need to rent a game....I didn't buy it as a game system, but heck I might as well try it out right...any one have a favorite to try?

One Last Question:

How do you have your HDMI output set:

Auto Detect? I did this so it would pass 480 for my calibration disc. But it shows 1080 with BD titles...so that seems right. I wasn't sure about RGB, AUTO, or YPb/Cb Pr/Cr. I set it to the latter for my samsung 6188...any thoughts?

Now i just need to rent a game....I didn't buy it as a game system, but heck I might as well try it out right...any one have a favorite to try?

I'd suggest downloading the Gran Turismo HD demo in the playstation online store for free. You won't get a ton of hours of gameplay out of it but it's something neat to try out. Other than that NBA2k7 is nice, and the most popular game so far is Resistance: Fall of Man. Over the course of the next 2 months several games will come out worth trying, most notably is Motorstorm.

Brandon

Found a PS3 60 gig unit this morning. I have been a strong supporter of HDDVD, but want more HD movies so I thought id give it a shot

Found a PS3 60 gig unit this morning. I have been a strong supporter of HDDVD, but want more HD movies so I thought id give it a shot

Did the same thing today :D Congrats

Itrackr is the reason I found it. Woke up at 5:30 am , hopped on and saw target had them in stock as of 30 minutes beforehand. Went at opening and got one. No one else was there at the time. I got the last BT remote

Can anyone give me a quick line or two regarding the pq of the ps3? I have sifted through twenty or thirty pages and haven't really found any good posts comparing this to other br players or hd dvd players. I also found a 60 gig today and wanted to make sure I wanted to keep it before I opened the box. Also, does it support 24p yet? Thanks in advance.

Can anyone give me a quick line or two regarding the pq of the ps3? I have sifted through twenty or thirty pages and haven't really found any good posts comparing this to other br players or hd dvd players. I also found a 60 gig today and wanted to make sure I wanted to keep it before I opened the box. Also, does it support 24p yet? Thanks in advance.

I don't think it outputs 1080p24 but perhaps a firmware upgrade could remedy that. As far as comparing different BD players and HD DVD Players to the PS3, just keep in mind everything you hear will be based on personal biases. Good luck.

Can anyone give me a quick line or two regarding the pq of the ps3? I have sifted through twenty or thirty pages and haven't really found any good posts comparing this to other br players or hd dvd players. I also found a 60 gig today and wanted to make sure I wanted to keep it before I opened the box. Also, does it support 24p yet? Thanks in advance.


Well I can tell you I find the PQ to be awesome! Both on BD DVD's and SD DVD's.

Now, let me offer a disclaimer. I ended up with an almost complete upgrade in my theater room and did it almost at the exact same time:

I went from a x1 w/3000 hours on the bulb to a HD70
I went from component to HDMI
I went from a Toshiba SD-H400 which was a DVDp + tivo unit to a PS3.

Now I did play a few SD DVD's on my old dvd player with the HD70. But not many. The HD70 is obviously making a huge difference. However I do think the PS3 is a much better player then the toshiba. I still have the toshiba hooked up and so can switch between the two easily, and the PS3 is better in every way even with SD DVD's. More detail, richer blacks, smoother texture, the whole bit. It almosts adds a 3-d effect. At the end of the Dead Mans Chest when they toast to "Captain Jack" I thought one of the cups was coming right thru the screen. My wife swears the sound is better, but I'm running optical on both, so I don't see how that can be.

The only think I HATE is the inability to tie in my Harmony 880. I understanding wanting to push blue tooth, but they couldn't do both??? Totally sucks.

But PQ it is awesome. Now, I will admit that Toshiba was probably not that great of a player....so take it how you will. But I see nothing wrong with PS3 as a dvd player (of course BD DVD's are awesome on it).

X3 has some compression artifacts, but most of what you are seeing is grain. When there is a lot of grain in the image, it significantly increases the bandwidth necessary to preserve a high quality image. When inadequate bandwidth is available for a film or scene with a lot of grain, a softer image results, but I don't think you see that much on X3. You do see that on other titles though, particularly those using MPEG-2 on BD25.

All DTS-HD MA tracks -- on both HD-DVD and Blu-ray -- consist of two streams. The first stream is a standard "core" DTS track @ 1.5 Mbps. The second is the DTS-HD extension stream with all the added, high-resolution and lossless sound information. What you are getting through optical is the "core" DTS 6.1 track @ 1.5Mbps.

Yes, it is safe to upgrade the firmware.

No. We expect Sony to fix this in an upcoming software update. Note most standalone BD players also exhibit this issue.

Yes.

Good post bfdtv, good information and helpful.

I just got an update on my PS3, does anyone know what it entails or can direct me as to where to find that information out?

Found this information just now:

The PLAYSTATION®3 system software version 1.32 update (with 1.30 and 1.31) includes the following:


Settings
You can now register the BD remote control in [Register Bluetooth® Device] under [Accessory Settings].
[BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI)] has been added as an option under [BD/DVD Settings].
[Backup Utility] has been added as a feature under [System Settings].
You can now select the hard disk format method in [Format Utility] and [Restore PS3™ System] under [System Settings].
The method of selecting output resolution has been changed in [Video Output Settings] under [Display Settings].

Game
New for 1.31: You can now play PlayStation®2 format software titles that must be installed on the hard disk.

Other
The compatibility of USB devices with PlayStation®2 format software titles has changed. For details on USB devices that can be used with system software version 1.30, select here.
New for 1.31: Playability status with the PS3™ system has changed for some PlayStation® and PlayStation®2 format titles. To check on the latest status, visit the search site for compatible titles.
New for 1.32: The online gaming functionality of the system software has been updated.

Update info can be found here:
http://www.us.playstation.com/ps3/network/updates

So, I got a brand new PS3 by chance yesterday -- love Grand Turismo Demo! I went to my local blockbuster and rented Punisher, never saw it and figured what the heck.

Well, when I first tried it everything turned redish/pink hue. OMG, I thought something must be messed up with my tv. I started playing around with the settings and figured out if I set under the bd/dvd setting on the ps3 if I set the video output to RGB I no longer get the redish pink hue. The only problem is that once it's starts playing the move it switches to 720x480 mode. It's not even widescreen it showes up letter box in a 4:3 window.

I only have 480p and 720p (since 720p is my native resolution for my Viewsonic LCD) oin the ps3. I also played around with my TV too and switched from Auto to RGB to YUV on the color input settings, but when I switch to YUV the screen is all green on the cross-bar menu on the ps3.

Anyone have any ideas? It's silly that I have this great machine and all I get is a crappy 480i picture... Anyone else experience this problem?

P.S. I updated to the latest firmware as well on the ps3.

From what I gather, with the new 1.32 firmware you have to check/select only 1080i as the resolution your TV will accept. Then let the TV downscale the video to 720p. Many 720p sets will accept a 1080i signal (some even allow 1080p) even if the panel can't display it.

As for the color screw up, it sounds like your TV accepts RGB only and not component color spacing.

Thanks! Actually my tv accepts both, but for some reason I think the auto setting isn't sensing the component color spacing.

Once I enabled 1080i, it worked fine. So it was a combination of setting to RGB and 1080i that fixed it. Hopefully that helps someone else with a Viewsonic LCD. :)

From what I gather, with the new 1.32 firmware you have to check/select only 1080i as the resolution your TV will accept. Then let the TV downscale the video to 720p. Many 720p sets will accept a 1080i signal (some even allow 1080p) even if the panel can't display it.

As for the color screw up, it sounds like your TV accepts RGB only and not component color spacing.

Itrackr is the reason I found it. Woke up at 5:30 am , hopped on and saw target had them in stock as of 30 minutes beforehand. Went at opening and got one. No one else was there at the time. I got the last BT remote

No kidding! What itrackr is a godsend! I thought I was in for a whole day of running around and coming home empty handed. The first two places on my list had the PS3 in stock. Took me no more than an hour before I got back home and that was only because I wanted to pick up some movies.

Now only four movies on my Netflix queue are SD, everything else is HD DVD or BD. Let the glory days begin!

Has anyone experienced dropping of your wireless internet connection with your PS3's? Mine drops the connection about every 15 or 20 seconds, then in about 5 more seconds it reconnects, repeating this over and over again. I thought at first it was a weak signal since I was only runnning about 35 or 40% signal strength on the meter, so I went down and bought a wireless repeater (signal booster) and located it close by the PS3. I'm now running at 95 to 100% signal strength, but the dropping connection problem persists exactly the same as before.

I'm hoping I don't have a defective console, since there is virtually no way to return it for exchange due to the short supplies.

I've tried a hard reboot, no avail. Couldn't be a DNS or IP address configuration problem I don't think, since I can connect to the internet for brief periods.

Suggestions anyone?

Ferdy,

Have you tried another router? Some routers exhibit interoperability issues with the PS3.

I am having a problem with games only going to 720p.

I have a 1080p display and the PS3 outputs BD movies in 1080, but games like Madden (which I thought were 1080i) are coming in as 720p. An ideas?

I ended up changing the channel I was using from my Apple AirPort Base Station (not Extreme). It went from ~60% on the PS3 network summary page to 100%. My laptop had a 100% connection with both, FWIW.

[QUOTE]I have a 1080p display and the PS3 outputs BD movies in 1080, but games like Madden (which I thought were 1080i) are coming in as 720p

Some games are 720p native

[QUOTE]I have a 1080p display and the PS3 outputs BD movies in 1080, but games like Madden (which I thought were 1080i) are coming in as 720p

Some games are 720p native


This is true, but I thought madden was 1080i. If it were 720p, this would make the most sense. Since I rented it, I don't have the box to see for sure

[QUOTE]I have a 1080p display and the PS3 outputs BD movies in 1080, but games like Madden (which I thought were 1080i) are coming in as 720p

Some games are 720p native


This is true, but I thought madden was 1080i. If it were 720p, this would make the most sense. Since I rented it, I don't have the box to see for sure

Is Automatic the best setting when using HDMI?

Ferdy,

Have you tried another router? Some routers exhibit interoperability issues with the PS3.


Yes, as a matter of fact, I had the same problem with a Netgear. Thought it might be a problem since the Netgear was "b" protocol only. This one is a LinkSys, with b/g protocol, with a LinkSys repeater.

Keep the comments coming guys, I really want to get this fixed if possible.

Ok, so no one here has compared HDMI and Component resolutions and ouput?

Come on someone?

Glad to see we have so many Blu-Ray additions. Looks like it will be a White Christmas for Sony... Now can we get some more movies and games for this thing? 8 or so release titles... I want my Rainbow Six. Oh, and Disney, can I get a little love too - how about Cars? That would be a nice opening shot.

Ok, so no one here has compared HDMI and Component resolutions and output?

Come on someone?

Glad to see we have so many Blu-Ray additions. Looks like it will be a White Christmas for Sony... Now can we get some more movies and games for this thing? 8 or so release titles... I want my Rainbow Six. Oh, and Disney, can I get a little love too - how about Cars? That would be a nice opening shot.

is it possible to make the PS3 output blu-ray letterboxed in 1920x1200 instead of 1920x1080. I'm wondering because most PC wide screen monitors are 16:10, not 16:9, and for some ridiculous reason beyond fathoming (since it would have taken about two lines of code and zero extra cost to do it right) almost all 16:10 PC monitors stretch 16:9 input feeds to 16:10. So would I be stuck with 16:10 stretched video from a PS3?
thanks.

Ok, so no one here has compared HDMI and Component resolutions and output?

Come on someone?

Glad to see we have so many Blu-Ray additions. Looks like it will be a White Christmas for Sony... Now can we get some more movies and games for this thing? 8 or so release titles... I want my Rainbow Six. Oh, and Disney, can I get a little love too - how about Cars? That would be a nice opening shot.

On my Samsung HLN437N the picture is noticeably better using a hdmi to dvi cable. The component video looks sort of soft and looks like its almost a lower resolution at 1080i, while the hdmi to dvi is nice and crisp looking. One downfall to me using the hdmi to dvi cable is that I get about a 1 inch border around the screen from some of the game demos but not on movies. I dont get this while using component . So far I can only confirm this on the demos because I haven't purchased any games yet just movies.. Im waiting for Virtua Fighter 5, F1 Championship, Tekken 6 and a few others. I already have a X360 so none of the release titles for the PS3 are really moving me right now. I had a X360 HD DVD but returned it... I was a little fustrated with the sound from it so I returned it.. I also would get a slight stutter in the play back of movies from the HD DVD addon with the VGA connection but not from component hookup. The picture from the addon drive was very good over the component connection, much better than the PS3. I miss King Kong. I rented alot of movies for it and it was hard to return but I have a hard with trying to support both formats. Hopefully real soon one format will win or all the movies studios cave in and support both formats... Oh well

Anyone else having problem with frame loss during movie playback? It only happens every once in a while, it looks like the movie starts chugging for a split second. I had this happen during Mission Impossible 3. Come to think of it, it happened while playing the Grand tourismo demo also.

On my Samsung HLN437N the picture is noticeably better using a hdmi to dvi cable. The component video looks sort of soft and looks like its almost a lower resolution at 1080i, while the hdmi to dvi is nice and crisp looking. One downfall to me using the hdmi to dvi cable is that I get about a 1 inch border around the screen from some of the game demos but not on movies. I dont get this while using component . So far I can only confirm this on the demos because I haven't purchased any games yet just movies.. Im waiting for Virtua Fighter 5, F1 Championship, Tekken 6 and a few others.
I pretty much got the same results on my Sony KF50WE610 comparing component vs hdmi to dvi connections. Though I haven't seen any upper and lower borders on movies, games or demos using the hdmi to dvi cable.

is it possible to make the PS3 output blu-ray letterboxed in 1920x1200 instead of 1920x1080.No.

I'm wondering because most PC wide screen monitors are 16:10, not 16:9, and for some ridiculous reason beyond fathoming (since it would have taken about two lines of code and zero extra cost to do it right) almost all 16:10 PC monitors stretch 16:9 input feeds to 16:10. So would I be stuck with 16:10 stretched video from a PS3?The newer/better PC wide monitors will automatically scale to 16:9 resolution and apply bars to the top and bottom. Be sure to look for that feature when shopping for a future monitor.

Check if your 1920x1200 monitor has a 1:1 or native setting. That is what would add the bars to keep proper ratio. The Dell's have that.

Hey guys I bought the panny 100 and then took my 360 to the theatre room and NOW the wifey is pissed( and now she says i took HER xbox and wants me to buy anything to get it back-aka another game system with her permission it couldn't have worked out better) becuz I had all of our music on the ext HD which had all of our music on it. I figure the PS3 streams easy through USB but what I need to know is if i hook up the PS3 to the network what kind of video formats can I stream through it? MPEG4,h.264, will either of those be streamed through and if so will the movie play perfect due to bit stream and will the PS3 output those files to 5.1? any other cool media features that this bad boy can do? I know lots of questions and this is about the only place where a guy can get these questions answered.

Check if your 1920x1200 monitor has a 1:1 or native setting. That is what would add the bars to keep proper ratio. The Dell's have that.

The Dell 2407 does not have that feature over VGA or component. Not absolutely sure about DVI as I have not had a chance to test it yet.

I have a 2407 and it DOES have that feature over DVI. I've never used any of the other inputs, though, so couldn't tell you about VGA.

I gather this was directed to me -- if not here's my response anyway. First from what I have read I would not put a SD-DVD in a PS3 to save my life. I have a perfectly good Denon 1920 that upscales to 720p very nicely and produces an image that is damn near close to HD quality on my AE900. Since the PS3 does not scale at all beyond its de-interlacing feature I am all but ignoring it as a DVD player.

When Sony impliments a firmware upgrade to SCALE SD_DVD then I will re-visit the issue. Perhaps I will try a comparision - thanks to your suggestion - between a DVD on the PS3 and the Dennon. I trust it will be no comparison at all.

No offense intended here but the scaler in the LG line of products is not considered to be of signifcant quality. Hence the 480p from the PS3 is likely better output to your TV that is now doing the scaling instead. What set do you have the PS3 working with?

Wasn't directed at you specifically, just looking for anyones input. I was just surprised at the quality of the SD-DVD picture from the PS3, since I was told it doesn't upconvert. By no means is my LG a great DVD player, but I thought it would be able to at least compare to the PS3.

I have a 46" Samsung 1080p.

Has anyone experienced dropping of your wireless internet connection with your PS3's? Mine drops the connection about every 15 or 20 seconds, then in about 5 more seconds it reconnects, repeating this over and over again. I thought at first it was a weak signal since I was only runnning about 35 or 40% signal strength on the meter, so I went down and bought a wireless repeater (signal booster) and located it close by the PS3. I'm now running at 95 to 100% signal strength, but the dropping connection problem persists exactly the same as before.

I'm hoping I don't have a defective console, since there is virtually no way to return it for exchange due to the short supplies.

I've tried a hard reboot, no avail. Couldn't be a DNS or IP address configuration problem I don't think, since I can connect to the internet for brief periods.

Suggestions anyone?

I have the same issue with my PS3. My signal strength is 95%+ on my laptop but my PS3 only gets 40%. I can't connect to PS3 Store all the time. Usually it fails...I'm guessing its the bandwith problem on Sony's server side.

I have the same issue with my PS3. My signal strength is 95%+ on my laptop but my PS3 only gets 40%. I can't connect to PS3 Store all the time. Usually it fails...I'm guessing its the bandwith problem on Sony's server side.
Really? When do you try to connect? 90% of the time I use my PS3 is after 8PM(the kids' bedtime) and I never have a problem connecting to the store. Though I am using a wired connection.

If you only have 40%, that's your problem. You may need to adjust the channel on the WAP. Doing that increased mine from 70% to 100%.

Really? When do you try to connect? 90% of the time I use my PS3 is after 8PM(the kids' bedtime) and I never have a problem connecting to the store. Though I am using a wired connection.
I was able to download the demos on late night. After 100s of tries that is. How fast is the PS Store to you? does each page refresh fast as regular browser on PC? My problem is more related to downloading demos though.

If you only have 40%, that's your problem. You may need to adjust the channel on the WAP. Doing that increased mine from 70% to 100%.

I don't have any wireless security enabled. I thought by disabling it I can save extra bits in each packets...should the strength be high with wireless security disabled?

I was able to download the demos on late night. After 100s of tries that is. How fast is the PS Store to you? does each page refresh fast as regular browser on PC? My problem is more related to downloading demos though.

Yeah, for me it's actually as fast as the browser on my PC. But the download speed from my PC on my home network is 6+Mbps, so I would assume my PS3 would be just as fast.

I don't have any wireless security enabled. I thought by disabling it I can save extra bits in each packets...should the strength be high with wireless security disabled?
WAP, not WEP. You can change the channel your wireless network is on.

what kind of wireless router are you using? do you have dmz setup for PS3 ip? I'm kinda clueless on how PS3 likes the wireless settings.

I have the same issue with my PS3. My signal strength is 95%+ on my laptop but my PS3 only gets 40%. I can't connect to PS3 Store all the time. Usually it fails...I'm guessing its the bandwith problem on Sony's server side.

What if you change it to 64-bit encryption> that may help as the signal can go further and is stronger.But not as secure but neighbors unless they're hardcore hackers aren't going to mess with it.

Wasn't directed at you specifically, just looking for anyones input. I was just surprised at the quality of the SD-DVD picture from the PS3, since I was told it doesn't upconvert. By no means is my LG a great DVD player, but I thought it would be able to at least compare to the PS3.

I have a 46" Samsung 1080p.


ryno4ever:

Sounds like the Samsung TV - and if its a 1080p LCD I would bet on it - does have a much better scaler than the LG DVD player. Have you compared the LG - with just straight 480p out to the PS3 to see how both compare at the same resolution.

Sounds like you have a DVD player for another room. Maybe we should all disable the scaling features in our DVD players and just see which scales better the display or the DVD player. We may all be pleasantly suprised.

When I get done with NFS Carbon tonight I will try the non-scaled Denon 1920 and compare it to the PS3.

NFS Carbon at native 720p on my projector has plenty of jaggies (particularly on the Gallardo rear deck). Anyone else noticed this. Is this what I can expect from 1st gen games?

This is my first PS (anything). I have seen plenty on SDTV's of 36" and less but never on such a large screen as I have at home.

The Dell 2407 does not have that feature over VGA or component. Not absolutely sure about DVI as I have not had a chance to test it yet.

I'm on the 26" version and it does but obviously a different model. It's under Image/Scaling, 1:1 (correct), fill, or scale on all inputs. I use mine as a second screen when not running my projector.

I played Talladega nights fine and some 1080 games have been fine as well. Tonight I tried MI 3 and it played the previews (sometimes) but then it would freeze as it tried to switch to the movie and sometimes give me an error code and a message that it cannot be played. Regular DVD worked fine.

I'm 1080i out of the PS3 via hdmi into a panasonic xr57 and then hdmi to the samsung hls6178.

I'm hoping it was just a bad disk but it looked okay.

Any other ideas?

Check if your 1920x1200 monitor has a 1:1 or native setting. That is what would add the bars to keep proper ratio. The Dell's have that.

i have the samsung 244t and it is great aside from the no 1:1, for whatever foolish reason it only does WIDE (1920x1200, stretch if need be) and 4:3, really ridiculous. oh well, at this point I have so much money into my PC might as well just use for blu-ray once the drives lower in price (which I hope is not months and months away.... I do see you can manage to get some on ebay for like $470, but that is still too much for a bare drive IMO), get more flexibility that way anyway. already using it for HD DVD with the XBOX360 HD DVD drive and that works great. and cable card support should arrive with Vista at some point. then it won't matter. still absurd they, as well as some other manufacturers did that. can'tunderstand how can get past engineering or QC. again, it would be a two line addition to firmware and add zero cost, well, whatever.

The A01 and A02 Dell 2407 were rubbish and I returned them for full refund (including shipping since Dell admitted they were inherently messed up, I did hear that a few months later they released A03 which supposedly did fix some major issues though, banding at the least). I know the 2407 locked out the 1:1 option for x1200 input, I had heard it also stretched 1080, unlike the older 2405.

I had my ps3 for about two weeks now... No lock up on any blu ray discs so far... It's been locking up on games tho Resistance.... Getting pretty annoying.... Anyone else?

VC-1 hides grain present in the original film masters. Embrace the grain, that's what film is supposed to look like. It does?? What type of filtering does it employ? You may want to remind folks of that in the other forum when they whine about grain in HD-DVDs. :) From the 30-40 HD-DVDs I've seen, VC-1 encoded discs seem to be a "mirror" of the digital master - grain and all when it should be there. I'm hoping most of the BD titles do the same now that I just bought a PS3.

larry

Edit: I also have a question about the BTB and WTW issue. Is BTB and WTW just clipped (16-235 is intact)? Or "pushed out" (16-235 -> 0-255, ie. PC video)? Thanks.

Question for folks who just bought their PS3 in the last few days, which version of firmware do your PS3 come with?

Thanks,

Question for folks who just bought their PS3 in the last few days, which version of firmware do your PS3 come with?
A PS3 that was purchased two days ago came with 1.31. I suppose updating the firmware should be the first thing that every new PS3 owner should do.

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

A PS3 that was purchased two days ago came with 1.31. I suppose updating the firmware should be the first thing that every new PS3 owner should do.

-KLH
Ken H*rrigan

Thanks,

Yes, as a matter of fact, I had the same problem with a Netgear. Thought it might be a problem since the Netgear was "b" protocol only. This one is a LinkSys, with b/g protocol, with a LinkSys repeater.

Keep the comments coming guys, I really want to get this fixed if possible.

I wish I could help on this one but I only have positive experiences with the wireless connection. I don't have one at home but when the ps3 first came out I took it to my mother's house to test it on hers. I left it on all night downloading demos and movie trailers from the PS store. it never once dropped the signal nor lost connection and I downloaded several gigs worth of content over the course of about 6-8 hours.

One hypothesis I've heard on some forum is that if your wireless connection is not encrypted it's more prone to drop outs. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but the person I heard it from said that before he secured his wireless router he experienced drop outs but afterwards he experienced none.

Ok, so no one here has compared HDMI and Component resolutions and ouput?

Come on someone?

Glad to see we have so many Blu-Ray additions. Looks like it will be a White Christmas for Sony... Now can we get some more movies and games for this thing? 8 or so release titles... I want my Rainbow Six. Oh, and Disney, can I get a little love too - how about Cars? That would be a nice opening shot.

I compared hdmi and component resolutions and to my untrained eye they seemed pretty much the same. Besides, my tv is only capable of 720p/1080i, so on my tv hdmi can't do anything as of yet that the component cable can't do, other than consolidate all signals into one wire (which I love). When I get a 1080p tv that will all change.

I'm still a relative novice at this audio/video stuff though. So far it looks like the increased bandwith on HDMI shows the most significant impact in audio. However when the hdmi 1.3 spec is implemented that may change.

For the new year you should look forward to several big time releases from sony and the movie studios for blu ray. Check out this link for upcoming blu ray releases: http://www.psu.com/node/6101 .

Brandon

Picked up mine on Saturday and although I was told 'Talladega Nights' was included in the box it wasn't. I had read this was a limited run so I guess they've hit their target.

Picked up mine on Saturday and although I was told 'Talladega Nights' was included in the box it wasn't. I had read this was a limited run so I guess they've hit their target.

yeah I noticed the sunday best buy ad said it was included :rolleyes: mine that I bought about a week ago didnt have it either.

Has anyone experienced dropping of your wireless internet connection with your PS3's? Mine drops the connection about every 15 or 20 seconds, then in about 5 more seconds it reconnects, repeating this over and over again. I thought at first it was a weak signal since I was only runnning about 35 or 40% signal strength on the meter, so I went down and bought a wireless repeater (signal booster) and located it close by the PS3. I'm now running at 95 to 100% signal strength, but the dropping connection problem persists exactly the same as before.

I'm hoping I don't have a defective console, since there is virtually no way to return it for exchange due to the short supplies.

I've tried a hard reboot, no avail. Couldn't be a DNS or IP address configuration problem I don't think, since I can connect to the internet for brief periods.

Suggestions anyone?



I'm having the same issue with my Netgear wireless b router using 64k bit encryption. I haven't attempted to upgrade the firmware on the router yet but a friend suggested I try this.

Just picked up a PS3 at Walmart. I first there around 11:00 to see if they had the Wii. They had eight or ten PS3 60gs and the guy asked me if I wanted one. I said no. But I changed my mind two hours later and went back to get one. That was the first one they sold today. They got them in last night. The guy said a lot people called to ask for the Wii, some asked for the PS3 20g, but very few asked for the 60g version.

Well, now I need to get some movies. I bought the remote control from EB games too. Now don't flame me, I am getting a Toshiba XA2 next week too.

Happy New Year!

Was just in the Circuit City in Cary NC. They had a few 60G PS3s left as of 1/1/07 around 4PM.

They had a good selection of BD Movies but the darn things were hidden away on the bottom shelf in kids movies section. I had to get a sales person to help me find where the BD movies were located.

How much for just the ps3... 60g?

It does?? What type of filtering does it employ? You may want to remind folks of that in the other forum when they whine about grain in HD-DVDs. :) From the 30-40 HD-DVDs I've seen, VC-1 encoded discs seem to be a "mirror" of the digital master - grain and all when it should be there. I'm hoping most of the BD titles do the same now that I just bought a PS3.

larry

Edit: I also have a question about the BTB and WTW issue. Is BTB and WTW just clipped (16-235 is intact)? Or "pushed out" (16-235 -> 0-255, ie. PC video)? Thanks.

Edit: I also have a question about the BTB and WTW issue. Is BTB and WTW just clipped (16-235 is intact)? Or "pushed out" (16-235 -> 0-255, ie. PC video)?
I'm picking up an PS3 tomorrow. Is there another thread, or somewhere else in this forum that has specific setup, issues, workarounds, pluses and minus's, etc? This thread is just way too long, I'm hoping there's some concise info located somewhere here.

I'm having the same issue with my Netgear wireless b router using 64k bit encryption. I haven't attempted to upgrade the firmware on the router yet but a friend suggested I try this.

Definitely upgrade the firmware on your router if you've had it for a long time and never done so before.

Brandon

I'm picking up an PS3 tomorrow. Is there another thread, or somewhere else in this forum that has specific setup, issues, workarounds, pluses and minus's, etc? This thread is just way too long, I'm hoping there's some concise info located somewhere here.

Probably best to post your own here or in the PS3 forum.

Or just post specific queries here.

How much for just the ps3... 60g?
Six hundred dollars.

PlayStation area:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=142

PS3 Problems and Setup Issues thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=752262

PlayStation area:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=142

PS3 Problems and Setup Issues thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=752262
Much thanks, being I'm going to use it for AV purposes only I didn't think to look in the gaming forum. :)

No worries. We were limited to this one-and-only-thread for awhile in Blu-ray Players, though that no longer appears to be enforced from a brief glance of the 1st page. ;)

Does anybody know if Sony is working on an IR adapter for the PS3 so I can use my Universal Remote? Bluetooth is not going to cut it!


No, no one knows. This isn't a question that can be answered yet.

The guys over at Remote Central figured out a way to hack it with a PS2-to-USB adapter and a PS2 remote IR receiver (14 commands work, anyway) but that leaves a lot to be desired as a solution. It's assumed by many that numerous 3rd party companies will offer a better solution in the months and years ahead. but as far as I have seen no one has announced one yet.

In the meantime you are stuck with the controller, or the Sony Bluetooth remote when it comes out. Also, the amount of hand-wringing and outright denial on the part of loyal Sony fanboy console warriors regarding this topic is astonishing, which just muddies the issue. It's pretty simple: A lot of folks would like the PS3 to integrate with existing universal remote solutions just like every other component they own. Considering how hard Sony is pushing all the multimedia aspects of this console to help justify it's enormous price tag you'd think they'd of thought to put a .25 cent IR receiver in the thing, just like they did with the later PS2's, but no. And even in this thread you get responses like:

It's a game console first, deal with it.
Blu-ray is so much better than IR! (as though that's even the question)
It's only one more remote what's your problem?
If you don't like it tough, other people don't mind. Maybe the PS3 isn't for dummies like you.

And so on and so forth with responses that completely dodge the question, anything to deny that maybe, just maybe this was a boneheaded oversight on the part of Sony. All I know is that my $500 game console (I got the 20gb), which I never would have bought for even half that if it weren't for the fact that it was a Blu-ray movie player as well, won't work with IR remotes like a $30 dvd player from Walmart will. Bluetooth is great for remotes, hope one day it becomes a standard, love not dealing with line of sight issues but that has nothing to do with the fact that they could have put a stupid IR port on the thing for current compatibility with universal systems.

If Harmony is going to one up the already feature filled 880 and create the 890 just for RF, it doesn't seem a huge stretch that they could create an 895 with bluetooth as well. This could also be an opportunity for Sony themselves to breath some more life into their Remote Commander series and maybe add a color touch screen, as well, so they could be more competitive in that market.

Not having an all-in-one remote, I don't find the PS3's bluetooth remote that egregious at all, but then I like using the 360 remote for HD-DVD and the PS3 remote for BD and the AVR remote for the DVD and TV.

I think it's likely that at the very least a USB dongle is iminent, if not accompanied by a firmware update facilitating such.

If Harmony is going to one up the already feature filled 880 and create the 890 just for RF, it doesn't seem a huge stretch that they could create an 895 with bluetooth as well. This could also be an opportunity for Sony themselves to breath some more life into their Remote Commander series and maybe add a color touch screen, as well, so they could be more competitive in that market.

Not having an all-in-one remote, I don't find the PS3's bluetooth remote that egregious at all, but then I like using the 360 remote for HD-DVD and the PS3 remote for BD and the AVR remote for the DVD and TV.

I think it's likely that at the very least a USB dongle is iminent, if not accompanied by a firmware update facilitating such.

Let's hope that someone will relase a usb IR adapter. If the hack works, then surely it can be made...and it would be pretty cheap and easy. Sony would be FOOLISH not to provide a patch for it. I can live with the controller for now, but my harmony would make me ALOT happier!

Purchased a 60gb PS3 a few days ago at my local Wal-Mart.

Not to impressed with the BR player, overheats and locks up sometimes when playing movies. I also get a "crackling" sound sometimes in my speakers, sounds kinda like static. Seems to do this the longer the unit is on?

Overall, I am impressed with the gaming(graphics are killer) and ability to play BR movies all in one box. Plays and functions at a drop of a dime, unlike my Toshiba XA1. I think I'm going to end up returning it or selling it on Ebay.

Mike

Purchased a 60gb PS3 a few days ago at my local Wal-Mart.

Not to impressed with the BR player, overheats and locks up sometimes when playing movies. I also get a "crackling" sound sometimes in my speakers, sounds kinda like static. Seems to do this the longer the unit is on?

Overall, I am impressed with the gaming(graphics are killer) and ability to play BR movies all in one box. Plays and functions at a drop of a dime, unlike my Toshiba XA1. I think I'm going to end up returning it or selling it on Ebay.

Mike

Perhaps it's your unit. Mine has not overheated or locked up. I have left it on overnight and all day downloading demo games and trailers.

Off topic, but not only do I wish that the PS3 could multitask while downloading...I wish they would make a download queue. Since i don;t game much, the demo games are all I really need to have a little fun...that and maybe Madden:)

Perhaps it's your unit. Mine has not overheated or locked up. I have left it on overnight and all day downloading demo games and trailers.

Off topic, but not only do I wish that the PS3 could multitask while downloading...I wish they would make a download queue. Since i don;t game much, the demo games are all I really need to have a little fun...that and maybe Madden:)

Facing the front of the unit on the bottom right hand side, my PS3 gets quite hot almost uncomfortable to the touch. Usually gets this way within a half hour of use, does your's do that? Maybe I do have a defective one, I'll try a different one then?

Mike

Mine has very hot air that is expelled on the right side and back, but it has never been hot to the touch. Only warm.

Mine has very hot air that is expelled on the right side and back, but it has never been hot to the touch. Only warm.

Facing the front of the unit on the bottom right hand side, my PS3 gets quite hot almost uncomfortable to the touch. Usually gets this way within a half hour of use, does your's do that? Maybe I do have a defective one, I'll try a different one then?

Mike
I feel warm out from the back vents. The fron and top are always cool to the touch. Sounds like a defective unit to me. Do you feel the fan pushing air out of the back?

Have you guys measured the temps? Mine has never gone over a 100deg.

Have you guys measured the temps? Mine has never gone over a 100deg.

Measurement of the tempature is meaningless by itself. How much over ambient tempature was that?

Mine also gets quite hot on the bottom right hand side, under the BD drive. I make sure there is plenty of ventilation.

Mine also gets quite hot on the bottom right hand side, under the BD drive. I make sure there is plenty of ventilation.

Guess it's not just my unit. I do have it sitting out in open with plenty of ventilation, I would never enclose it in my cabinet with fear something might burn up.

Mike

Anyone here with a PS3 and a 1080p display experiment with 1080i vs 1080p output with BD movies?
Since it seems that the PS3 might have to go from the 1080p24 source to 1080i60 bacl to 1080p60, I just wonder if it would better to pass it 1080i60 and let the tv dp the de-interlacing? I have a samsung hls-6188

Also, What about the color space setting? Over HDMI, I have it set to YCbPr...better to set it to Auto or RGB?

thoughts?

The PS3 does a better job at outputting 1080P than 1080i on my setup. Having my VP50 interlace the 1080P signal from the PS3 looks better than the PS3 producing 1080i . At least with v1.00 firmware on the VP50. With v1.01 I can't get the VP50 to accept the 1080P signal.

Had the oddest problem the other night. I had the PS3 (with the latest firmware 1.32?--did the download when I set up on Christmas Day) set itself up to use the maximum resolution available on my Fujitsu plasma (1080i), even though 720p is probably a better match for the native resolution of that panel. Connection is via HDMI through my Denon 4806 receiver. Games all play without a hitch . . . although it seems to me that some games look to be dropping frames from time to time. In any event, it played the Phantom of the Opera Blu-Ray without a hitch. I then went to put in Superman Returns a few nights later, and the playback locks up after the disc loading icon finishes--I get a medium grey screen. Most of the playback controls say "that control is not available at this point", very similar to what you get when you would try to skip out of "mandatory" trailers on DVDs. I can call up the Blu-Ray playback menu (the one with the myriad mystifying icons), and I can press the icons (skip, play, FF, etc.) but with no response. Once this happens there doesn't seem to be any way to get back to the PS3 main menu, even by the usual "hold the PS button on the controller down for two seconds" method. Same result on the Talladega Nights Blu-Ray.

I did find a resolution to the problem--I forced the PS3 to output nothing higher than 720p. The disc then plays flawlessly. I'm still mystified as to why the Phantom of the Opera disc would play when Superman Returns and Talladega Nights lock up. I suppose I shouldn't worry about this as (as I said before) 720p is probably a better match to my panel anyways.

I did find a resolution to the problem--I forced the PS3 to output nothing higher than 720p. The disc then plays flawlessly. I'm still mystified as to why the Phantom of the Opera disc would play when Superman Returns and Talladega Nights lock up. I suppose I shouldn't worry about this as (as I said before) 720p is probably a better match to my panel anyways.

The problem with that resolution is that, in theory, if you select 720p as the highest available resoluton to the PS3, you should only be getting 480p resolution during blu ray playback. Currently the PS3 doesn't output blu ray at 720p.

So I would have to assume that the reason it played flawlessly after the change is because it was only outputting 480p...not much of a hassle for the PS3. Did you notice a drop in quality? Did you check your tv's display info to see what type of signal input you were receiving?

Brandon

I hope Sony fixes the 720p problem soon with a firmware update. This has caused confusion for some and it makes the player look bad if it only outputs 480p. For those who don't have 1080p be sure to set the output to 1080i and let the set downscale. Check the output on your set to see what resolution the ps3 is putting out.

I saw someone asked a question similar to this a few posts above this, but mine is the opposite question as his.....

I have the Panasonic 50PX600U, The best output it has is 1080i, So I am wondering if I should have my PS3 set to only support 480p, 720p and 1080i and not have it support 1080p or should I have it do 1080p as well. Which is going to give me the best picture on games and also on Blu Ray movies. Can someone explain this to me and how it works either way and why one way is better than the other. Also, how should I set it for games and should I change it around for certain games, like set it different for NHL 2k7 than for Resistance?

Thanks so much :) :)

Had the oddest problem the other night. I had the PS3 (with the latest firmware 1.32?--did the download when I set up on Christmas Day) set itself up to use the maximum resolution available on my Fujitsu plasma (1080i), even though 720p is probably a better match for the native resolution of that panel. Connection is via HDMI through my Denon 4806 receiver. Games all play without a hitch . . . although it seems to me that some games look to be dropping frames from time to time. In any event, it played the Phantom of the Opera Blu-Ray without a hitch. I then went to put in Superman Returns a few nights later, and the playback locks up after the disc loading icon finishes--I get a medium grey screen. Most of the playback controls say "that control is not available at this point", very similar to what you get when you would try to skip out of "mandatory" trailers on DVDs. I can call up the Blu-Ray playback menu (the one with the myriad mystifying icons), and I can press the icons (skip, play, FF, etc.) but with no response. Once this happens there doesn't seem to be any way to get back to the PS3 main menu, even by the usual "hold the PS button on the controller down for two seconds" method. Same result on the Talladega Nights Blu-Ray.

I did find a resolution to the problem--I forced the PS3 to output nothing higher than 720p. The disc then plays flawlessly. I'm still mystified as to why the Phantom of the Opera disc would play when Superman Returns and Talladega Nights lock up. I suppose I shouldn't worry about this as (as I said before) 720p is probably a better match to my panel anyways.

Same happened with me lastnight with "The Incredibles Standard DVD disc. The onscreen playback comes up and you can click on the screen buttons but nothing works. It says "the control not available at this time" I was using the PS3 controller top right shoulder buttong to skip thru the previews and it was working fine but when I went to skip thru the opening animation of the actual movie DVD menu is where it got stuck.

I need to slow down and not try to skip thru everything....lol

Had the oddest problem the other night. I had the PS3 (with the latest firmware 1.32?--did the download when I set up on Christmas Day) set itself up to use the maximum resolution available on my Fujitsu plasma (1080i), even though 720p is probably a better match for the native resolution of that panel. Connection is via HDMI through my Denon 4806 receiver. Games all play without a hitch . . . although it seems to me that some games look to be dropping frames from time to time. In any event, it played the Phantom of the Opera Blu-Ray without a hitch. I then went to put in Superman Returns a few nights later, and the playback locks up after the disc loading icon finishes--I get a medium grey screen. Most of the playback controls say "that control is not available at this point", very similar to what you get when you would try to skip out of "mandatory" trailers on DVDs. I can call up the Blu-Ray playback menu (the one with the myriad mystifying icons), and I can press the icons (skip, play, FF, etc.) but with no response. Once this happens there doesn't seem to be any way to get back to the PS3 main menu, even by the usual "hold the PS button on the controller down for two seconds" method. Same result on the Talladega Nights Blu-Ray.

I did find a resolution to the problem--I forced the PS3 to output nothing higher than 720p. The disc then plays flawlessly. I'm still mystified as to why the Phantom of the Opera disc would play when Superman Returns and Talladega Nights lock up. I suppose I shouldn't worry about this as (as I said before) 720p is probably a better match to my panel anyways.

Same happened with me lastnight with "The Incredibles Standard DVD disc. The onscreen playback comes up and you can click on the screen buttons but nothing works. It says "the control not available at this time" I was using the PS3 controller top right shoulder button to skip thru the previews and it was working fine but when I went to skip thru the opening animation of the actual movie DVD menu is where it got stuck.

Holding the PS3 buton did get me back to the PS3 main screen (XMB).

I need to slow down and not try to skip thru everything....lol

Let's hope that someone will relase a usb IR adapter. If the hack works, then surely it can be made...and it would be pretty cheap and easy. Sony would be FOOLISH not to provide a patch for it. I can live with the controller for now, but my harmony would make me ALOT happier!

Someone did, Sony. Get a Sony PS2 IR adapter & Remote package and plug the adapter into a PS2 to USB adapter. It's pretty simple and not really a hack as it's supported in latest firmware update. It even works with PS2 remote defaults/codes.

The problem is only a subset of the keys are functional. If Sony could map the rest of the keys we would have a very good solution and that should be able to be accomplished in a firmware update.

Yes I think it's stupid that this wasn't supported "out of the box" or is even better supported now, but I imagine Sony bet on the "don't care about more than one remote" crowd representing the vast majority of users and making available a home theater Blu-Ray player separately that would be market share eroded if folks figured out how good the PS3 is as a 1080p player. A few more keys defined in a firmware update and this problem could be easily solved.

J y E:

Go get a bluetooth remote. The controler is a poor substitute with discs. The remote is faster, easier to use and has dedicated FF/RW 2x ect controls.

The operation ease is well worth the $25 and in fact it even makes basic non-game operations with the OS much easier.

I have a Sony tv that only accepts 1080i (early adopter) but I would like to take advantage of TrueHD audio, which I believe only comes out of the PS3 from the HDMI 1.3 cable. I would like to send the audio to a receiver (when the are built this year to accept 1.3), and let the PS3 send the video over 1080i directly to the tv. Has anyone tried using both outputs from the PS3, a component set to their tv and a HDMI to their audio receiver? I'm thinking of trying this, unless, of course, a receiver will take a HDMI video signal coming into it at 1080p and convert it to 1080i, then I wouldn't have to worry about sending a 1080i from the PS3 to the tv, I could just connect a regular set of component cables from the receiver to the tv. If anyone knows whether both outputs from the PS3 will work at the same time, would you let me know?

Thanks,

Ray

I wouldn't say the bluetooth remote is faster, though it is certainly more ergonomic. I was surprised at how intuitive the controls were with the SIXAXIS, though (I hadn't used my PS2 for DVD in probably 5 years).

No, no one knows. This isn't a question that can be answered yet.
In the meantime you are stuck with the controller, or the Sony Bluetooth remote when it comes out. Also, the amount of hand-wringing and outright denial on the part of loyal Sony fanboy console warriors regarding this topic is astonishing, which just muddies the issue. It's pretty simple: A lot of folks would like the PS3 to integrate with existing universal remote solutions just like every other component they own. Considering how hard Sony is pushing all the multimedia aspects of this console to help justify it's enormous price tag you'd think they'd of thought to put a .25 cent IR receiver in the thing, just like they did with the later PS2's, but no. And even in this thread you get responses like:


The dedicated Sony BD remote for the PS3 is already available (I picked up one a few days ago). The idea of bluetooth for a remote really makes a lot of sense as compared for IR, but this means that existing IR based universal remotes are of no use with the PS3, at least until someone makes a IR to bluetooth repeater box. Perhaps bluetooth will catch on for other A/V remote control applications and a new generation of universal remotes that support both IR and bluetooth will be offered.

Ron Jones

The problem with that resolution is that, in theory, if you select 720p as the highest available resoluton to the PS3, you should only be getting 480p resolution during blu ray playback. Currently the PS3 doesn't output blu ray at 720p.

So I would have to assume that the reason it played flawlessly after the change is because it was only outputting 480p...not much of a hassle for the PS3. Did you notice a drop in quality? Did you check your tv's display info to see what type of signal input you were receiving?

Brandon

Bingo, right you are. I don't own Superman Returns on normal DVD and so don't have much of a basis of comparison. I remember thinking "this looks pretty soft for HD" and sure enough, it was 480p.

I don't think I have a solution to the hanging problem at 1080i, but I tried again tonight and found that if I changed the HDMI output (under the Blu-Ray settings) to RGB rather than automatic, it seems to play. When I was playing around with the onscreen navigation menu (the one with zillions of icons with various color icons at the top) I did manage to hang it even with the RGB setting on. But if I am careful and properly load and unload the discs (heaven forbid you should eject a disc without cancelling playback first), it does seems to work. And Superman Returns and Reds both look pretty darn good . . . .

Thanks for the info . . . I was unaware of the 720p resolution problem (obviously).

What's wrong with ejecting the disc without canceling playback first? I don't have any problems when I do it. The disc ejects and the PS3 menu appears. I have my colorspace set on automatic so it switches to RGB for games and the PS3 menu and YCrCb when watching BD movies.

What's wrong with ejecting the disc without canceling playback first? I don't have any problems when I do it.

I'm starting to think there is something unusual in either my setup (PS3 HDMI to Denon 4806 HDMI to Fujitsu) or in the way that one of the devices treats the PS3. If I don't cancel BD playback, the machine won't recognize a newly inserted disc.

I have a Sony tv that only accepts 1080i (early adopter) but I would like to take advantage of TrueHD audio, which I believe only comes out of the PS3 from the HDMI 1.3 cable. I would like to send the audio to a receiver (when the are built this year to accept 1.3), and let the PS3 send the video over 1080i directly to the tv. Has anyone tried using both outputs from the PS3, a component set to their tv and a HDMI to their audio receiver? I'm thinking of trying this, unless, of course, a receiver will take a HDMI video signal coming into it at 1080p and convert it to 1080i, then I wouldn't have to worry about sending a 1080i from the PS3 to the tv, I could just connect a regular set of component cables from the receiver to the tv. If anyone knows whether both outputs from the PS3 will work at the same time, would you let me know?

Thanks,

Ray

video wise it didnt work. I normally run HDMI video and tried component video. It seemed to disable hdmi when I went to component. When I wanted to go back to hdmi I had to disable component.

Finally I hooked up the PS3 I bought on Jan 1. I was surprised to see it had firmware version 1.1. You would think it would have a newer version since it was new and sealed. I tried update the firmware using a CF card but it didn't work. I remember someone in this tread mentioned that PS3 with firmware version 1.1 could not use CF card for update.

Anyway, I hooked up the PS3 to the router and the update was completed so now it has version 1.32. I aslo bought the BD remote control. I played a short clip of Saving Private Ryan. The remote works fine. I connect the PS3 via HDMI to my Yamaha RXV2700 receiver, and from the receiver to the Sony 60"XBR2 (1080p) via HDMI. The BD/DVD settings are as follows:

BD/DVD Video output setting: HDMI auto
BD/DVD Audio output setting: HDMI Linear PCM

Are these the correct setting?


In the Sound Setting (HDMI), only Dolby Digital 5.1 ch, DTS 5.1, LPCM 2 ch 44.1 khz, LPCM 2 ch 88.2 khz and LPCM 2 ch 176.4 khz are listed. What about the Dolby True HD?

I ordered Black Hawk Down and Kingdom of Heaven and should have them in a few days. While I am waiting, are there other good disks with Dolby True HD that I can buy to try it out?

Thanks much. BTW, Best Buy.com had PS3 for sale this morning.

The dedicated Sony BD remote for the PS3 is already available (I picked up one a few days ago). The idea of bluetooth for a remote really makes a lot of sense as compared for IR, but this means that existing IR based universal remotes are of no use with the PS3, at least until someone makes a IR to bluetooth repeater box. Perhaps bluetooth will catch on for other A/V remote control applications and a new generation of universal remotes that support both IR and bluetooth will be offered.

Ron Jones
If Sony really wanted to increase the number of BD players in households, they would have included an IR port. But I believe they did not because they want folks to really buy a Sony stand-alone player that is not subsidized.

The PS3 offers so much, like HDMI 1.3, and by most accounts, it's a very good BD player. I would have bought one myself if it had not been for the lack of IR. I like controlling my system with my MX-700 remote, and won't settle for 2-remote solution like we had to do in the 'ol days.

I cannot be the only one sitting this one out because of the lack of IR.

-T

I am disappointed by the lack of a dedicated IR solution, but I didn't want to buy a stand-alone due to the high price and still undecided format war. The way I look at it, I can get into Blu-ray now with less risk/better price. If it wins I can buy a dedicated stand alone in 2-3 years at a price of $200 and move the PS3 to a different area of the house.

I really can't justify buying SD discs anymore, with HD around the corner. PS3 just makes the transition a little smoother to HD for me at least.

I just wish the ps3 would do upscalingon SD dvd, and does it do SACD?

I have a Sony tv that only accepts 1080i (early adopter) but I would like to take advantage of TrueHD audio, which I believe only comes out of the PS3 from the HDMI 1.3 cable. I would like to send the audio to a receiver (when the are built this year to accept 1.3), and let the PS3 send the video over 1080i directly to the tv. Has anyone tried using both outputs from the PS3, a component set to their tv and a HDMI to their audio receiver? I'm thinking of trying this, unless, of course, a receiver will take a HDMI video signal coming into it at 1080p and convert it to 1080i, then I wouldn't have to worry about sending a 1080i from the PS3 to the tv, I could just connect a regular set of component cables from the receiver to the tv. If anyone knows whether both outputs from the PS3 will work at the same time, would you let me know?

Thanks,

Ray

This is the way I run my setup now. HDMI for audio to a Denon 3806 and component video to a Toshiba 50H81. No problem. Btw, you don't have to wait for the 1.3 receivers, the PS3 decodes the advanced audio in the player and outputs it via LPCM. Most HDMI 1.1 receivers (like my Denon) will play the PCM through HDMI just fine.

and does it do SACD?

yes but only outputs via HDMI, not optical.

if there is demand for IR support(there is) then someone will make it and sell it. PS3 pretty much just came out so give it a few months.

If Sony really wanted to increase the number of BD players in households, they would have included an IR port. But I believe they did not because they want folks to really buy a Sony stand-alone player that is not subsidized.

The PS3 offers so much, like HDMI 1.3, and by most accounts, it's a very good BD player. I would have bought one myself if it had not been for the lack of IR. I like controlling my system with my MX-700 remote, and won't settle for 2-remote solution like we had to do in the 'ol days.

I cannot be the only one sitting this one out because of the lack of IR.

-T

I would think you are one of few sitting out the PS3 for the IR issue as a sole or main reason.

Frankly, it was an issue for me as well. I am so pissed at Sony for being so damn money hungry and/or egotistical. Their view is we think BT is better and the PS3 is as future proof as it can be so let's make everything BT have have people catch-up.

It's a good approach because for every person they have sitting out because of the IR issue they have at least 1 or more saying it is an issue and either using a workaround or buying the BT controller.

Unfortunately, those waiting for a IR/BT remote should stop waiting until they see more home theatre devices controlled by BT. We'll probably see an aftermarket solution that fully works (not the PS2 workaround) before a IR/BT remote.

I dont disagree that PS3 is sonys blueray trojan horse but its primary purpose is a video game console. So witht that in mind for a wireless controller bluetooth is superior over IR since you dont need line of sight.

Sorry if this has already been answered ........does the loading mechanism on the PS3 scratch or mark the disc's in any way? Does anyone know if the Blu-ray disc's have the super hard scratch resistant coating that they were suppossed to have?

Sorry if this has already been answered ........does the loading mechanism on the PS3 scratch or mark the disc's in any way? Does anyone know if the Blu-ray disc's have the super hard scratch resistant coating that they were suppossed to have?
I haven't any issues with the PS3 scratching discs and the BD's do seem to be extra tough. I found it much more difficult to scratch one of my rental discs than a standard DVD.

Any thoughts here about purchasing a new high-quality audio system that will make the most of the PS3 setup - anything out there right now, or expected "real soon now" that would play well with the Sony BT remote, or is that dedicated to the player?

Btw, you don't have to wait for the 1.3 receivers, the PS3 decodes the advanced audio in the player and outputs it via LPCM. Most HDMI 1.1 receivers (like my Denon) will play the PCM through HDMI just fine.

So what is the benefit of hdmi 1.3 for receivers? Is it just for the deep color 1080p pass-through to the tv for video or are there any audio benefits as well?

Brandon

Brandon read this thread for more details:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=778773

Is the PS3 supports the Blu-ray/BD-J PiP (Picture in Picture) feature?

I probably missed this in the thread somewhere. Is there any way to turn of the angle mark?

Is the PS3 supports the Blu-ray/BD-J PiP (Picture in Picture) feature?Sony has not announced PiP or full BD-Live (network) support, but I fully expect they will. Every indication is that the PS3 hardware is easily capable of supporting the requirements.

Brandon read this thread for more details:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=778773

Thanks. Now I see why people are anticipating a firmware update for the decoding of DTS Master HD audio. If I'm understanding correctly, since the PS3 doesn't currently decode this, the only way to get the lossless DTS Master HD audio track is to have a hdmi 1.3 receiver that is capable of receiving the compressed encoded track???

One other question: if you have a ps3 (hdmi 1.3) and a hdmi 1.3 tv but not an hdmi 1.3 receiver, and you pass the 1080p signal as follows (ps3->hdmi 1.2 receiver->hdmi 1.3 tv), will you lose the deeper color space and other hdmi 1.3 video benefits from the video signal by the time it hits the tv?

Brandon

Does the PS3 20 gig have hdmi output for video? The first post in this thread makes it look like it does not.

Yes the 20gig has HDMI output. Initially Sony indicated it would not, but several weeks before launch we found out it would.

Brandon

One other question: if you have a ps3 (hdmi 1.3) and a hdmi 1.3 tv but not an hdmi 1.3 receiver, and you pass the 1080p signal as follows (ps3->hdmi 1.2 receiver->hdmi 1.3 tv), will you lose the deeper color space and other hdmi 1.3 video benefits from the video signal by the time it hits the tv?Yes, you will lose it. You need the full chain.

That said, Blu-ray and HD-DVD do not take advantage of deep color, although some future games might.

One other question: if you have a ps3 (hdmi 1.3) and a hdmi 1.3 tv but not an hdmi 1.3 receiver, and you pass the 1080p signal as follows (ps3->hdmi 1.2 receiver->hdmi 1.3 tv), will you lose the deeper color space and other hdmi 1.3 video benefits from the video signal by the time it hits the tv?I believe so, as those features require greater bandwidth than the HDMI 1.2 spec supports. Perhaps you could use an HDMI switcher, which hopefully is just passing the signal and would support 1.3.

I have a question about Audio and PS3 and a BluRay movie:

I want to get "Devil Wears Prada" but the back says audio is Lossless DTS and my reciever only has Toslink in and DTS and Dolby Digital decoding. This is the reciever:

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/YSP1/idx_spec_ysp800.htm

Will I be able to hear any audio? Will it be regular DTS?

Tim Huey

I have a question about Audio and PS3 and a BluRay movie:

I want to get "Devil Wears Prada" but the back says audio is Lossless DTS and my reciever only has Toslink in and DTS and Dolby Digital decoding. This is the reciever:

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/YSP1/idx_spec_ysp800.htm

Will I be able to hear any audio? Will it be regular DTS?

Tim Huey

I think all bluerays have at least dolby digital so yes. if not I think PS3 will output at stereo pcm which your receiver should output

I have a question about Audio and PS3 and a BluRay movie:

I want to get "Devil Wears Prada" but the back says audio is Lossless DTS and my reciever only has Toslink in and DTS and Dolby Digital decoding. This is the reciever:

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/YSP1/idx_spec_ysp800.htm

Will I be able to hear any audio? Will it be regular DTS?

Tim Huey
I rented that movie and my setup is HDMI/DVI to the tv and optical to my Onkyo. I don't remember how the audio was decoded, but it was fine. BTW, the movie was nowhere near as good as the book.

I think all bluerays have at least dolby digital so yes. if not I think PS3 will output at stereo pcm which your receiver should output
Not so sure about that.... If you check a few pages back, XMen III only outputs the main English track in DTS.

Yes, you will lose it. You need the full chain.

That said, Blu-ray and HD-DVD do not take advantage of deep color, although some future games might.

Unfortunately there are no source devices nor, more importantly, displays compatible with increased color depth at this point, so it's a couple years out before broad adoption (at least).

In the Sound Setting (HDMI), only Dolby Digital 5.1 ch, DTS 5.1, LPCM 2 ch 44.1 khz, LPCM 2 ch 88.2 khz and LPCM 2 ch 176.4 khz are listed.

Linear PCM is the method to transfer decoded sound from advanced codecs to a supported HDMI receiver. Using bitstream audio (DTS, Dolby IIx, for examples, the decoding is done in the receiver). Since receivers don't decode True HD and many of the new higher quality Dolby & DTS formats, the player does then passes PCM audio as the "universal" (like CD) audio stream for the receiver to play.

I am not getting 5.1 surround sound. I am connecting to my receiver via optical, and I get surround when playing games, but only stereo when watching BD. Thanks in advance for your help.

Linear PCM is the method to transfer decoded sound from advanced codecs to a supported HDMI receiver. Using bitstream audio (DTS, Dolby IIx, for examples, the decoding is done in the receiver). Since receivers don't decode True HD and many of the new higher quality Dolby & DTS formats, the player does then passes PCM audio as the "universal" (like CD) audio stream for the receiver to play.

Thanks for responding. I know next to nothing about the technical stuff. So choosing the linear PCM setting is correct then? I bought the Ice Age Meltdown today and played it in the PS3, in the disk's audio setup I selected Dolby True HD, the receiver showed it was playing MPCM. Was I listening to Dolgy True HD or something else?

Thanks for your patience.

Thanks for responding. I know next to nothing about the technical stuff. So choosing the linear PCM setting is correct then? I bought the Ice Age Meltdown today and played it in the PS3, in the disk's audio setup I selected Dolby True HD, the receiver showed it was playing MPCM. Was I listening to Dolgy True HD or something else?

Thanks for your patience.

You got it. You are playing the best the format has to offer. You can try to test between bitstream optical output and PCM True HD or even higher bandwidth Dolby Digital PCM.

Bottom line: you are doing the best audio.

Tim

I rented that movie and my setup is HDMI/DVI to the tv and optical to my Onkyo. I don't remember how the audio was decoded, but it was fine. BTW, the movie was nowhere near as good as the book.


Oh good, because the regular DTS was Spanish so I was afraid I was gonna only be able to get Spanish. The first audio track was DTS-HD and the closest thing my toslink reciever can do is DTS Neo:6 or DTS.

That said, Blu-ray and HD-DVD do not take advantage of deep color, although some future games might.

If not blu ray and hd-dvd, then what does?

Brandon

I am running PS3 firmware 1.32 and I am trying to connect to my JVC 52G886 using many different hdmi cables. I've used 1.2 and two different 1.3 cables and on all of them my ps3 recognizes hdmi connectivity, so I try to run this display mode. Every time I select my ps3 to run hdmi connection my digital-in TV mode (hdmi mode) my screen flickers couple of splashes of green and turns black. The ps3 does talk to my TV but either the ps3 is belligerently rude or my TV is deaf. LOL. I've gone almost a day on the phone with JVC and Sony with no success. I've tried resetting my JVC using remote combo (sleep mode)+(video status)+(display), then selection number 2 and power down/restart to try and reset my hdmi TV settings. I've done every scenario you could imagine. I bought my ps3 for hdmi not component, but I have to use component just to get HD. Any help would be awesome, and thanks in advanced.

I have noticed undocumented behavior with optical audio when playing standard DVDs on PS3 relating to Dynamic Range Compression (aka DRC, aka. Night Mode)::

When Linear PCM is selected for Optical Audio in BD/DVD settings, PS3 outputs pure non-DRC'd DD or DTS bitstream -- not 2-channel PCM

When Bitstream is selected for Optical Audio, PS3 will DRC the DD or DTS bitstream before outputting it.


Pretty cool (as long as you know this). So for best optical audio with standard DVD, change BD/DVD Optical Audio to Linear PCM. Sure wish Sony had a separate DRC setting.

BTW, standard DVD video quality with the PS3 is superb. Best I've ever seen (my Hitachi 57S700 has a decent 480p-to-1080i scaler though ).

I am running PS3 firmware 1.32 and I am trying to connect to my JVC 52G886 using many different hdmi cables. I've used 1.2 and two different 1.3 cables and on all of them my ps3 recognizes hdmi connectivity, so I try to run this display mode. Every time I select my ps3 to run hdmi connection my digital-in TV mode (hdmi mode) my screen flickers couple of splashes of green and turns black. The ps3 does talk to my TV but either the ps3 is belligerently rude or my TV is deaf. LOL. I've gone almost a day on the phone with JVC and Sony with no success. I've tried resetting my JVC using remote combo (sleep mode)+(video status)+(display), then selection number 2 and power down/restart to try and reset my hdmi TV settings. I've done every scenario you could imagine. I bought my ps3 for hdmi not component, but I have to use component just to get HD. Any help would be awesome, and thanks in advanced.

there are different cables for 1.2 and 1.3?

there are different cables for 1.2 and 1.3?No, there are not.

If not blu ray and hd-dvd, then what does?Possibly some PS3 games in a year or two...

I am running PS3 firmware 1.32 and I am trying to connect to my JVC 52G886 using many different hdmi cables. I've used 1.2 and two different 1.3 cables and on all of them my ps3 recognizes hdmi connectivity, so I try to run this display mode. Every time I select my ps3 to run hdmi connection my digital-in TV mode (hdmi mode) my screen flickers couple of splashes of green and turns black. The ps3 does talk to my TV but either the ps3 is belligerently rude or my TV is deaf. LOL. I've gone almost a day on the phone with JVC and Sony with no success. I've tried resetting my JVC using remote combo (sleep mode)+(video status)+(display), then selection number 2 and power down/restart to try and reset my hdmi TV settings. I've done every scenario you could imagine. I bought my ps3 for hdmi not component, but I have to use component just to get HD. Any help would be awesome, and thanks in advanced.

My friend had this problem with his PS3. He ordered new cables and had the same problem. He said his solution was to turn off the tv and turn it back on after the hdmi settings were changed and it worked all of a sudden. I wasn't there to verify that that was why it worked, and it sounds like you tried this already anyway.

Brandon

You got it. You are playing the best the format has to offer. You can try to test between bitstream optical output and PCM True HD or even higher bandwidth Dolby Digital PCM.

Bottom line: you are doing the best audio.

Tim

Good to hear from experts. Thank you!

I am running PS3 firmware 1.32 and I am trying to connect to my JVC 52G886 using many different hdmi cables. I've used 1.2 and two different 1.3 cables and on all of them my ps3 recognizes hdmi connectivity, so I try to run this display mode. Every time I select my ps3 to run hdmi connection my digital-in TV mode (hdmi mode) my screen flickers couple of splashes of green and turns black. The ps3 does talk to my TV but either the ps3 is belligerently rude or my TV is deaf. LOL. I've gone almost a day on the phone with JVC and Sony with no success. I've tried resetting my JVC using remote combo (sleep mode)+(video status)+(display), then selection number 2 and power down/restart to try and reset my hdmi TV settings. I've done every scenario you could imagine. I bought my ps3 for hdmi not component, but I have to use component just to get HD. Any help would be awesome, and thanks in advanced.

I'm not familiar with the set. If it's an older set it may not be HDCP compatible. If it is a newer 1080p DILA set, there is a possibility that the quality of the cable may be an issue.

Though there is no difference between 1.2 and 1.3 in terms of HDMI cables, nd the Sony is likely the only 1.3 box in your rack, 1.3 is downward compatible regardless. There are cheap cables that do not sync well at high bandwidths., I use UltraLink HD Platinum cables (pricey) and have not had problems. (Note many HDMI switches also have issues with 1080p switching). Bottom line, issue is either set or cable bandwidth, but nothing to do with 1.2 or 1.3.

I just want to say I picked up a 60G PS3 and this thing is a great media center. I mainly wanted it for the Blu-Ray and kids wanted it for the games. I'm really impressed with some of the features like updating firmware via the net and photo slideshow were it makes your pictures look like real pictures floating onto a table is awsome. Everytime I turn it on I find something new. I have a 60" KDSXBR1 and the video quality is outstanding. I do however have a short list of things I wish they would fix or add.

1.) Way to play Guitar Hero with the Guitar Hero controller. (If the company came out with a BT version that would be great, but I would have to buy a new controller)

2.) BT Blu-Ray remote didn't have a TV/Video button to switch input sources on my TV causing me to use two remotes to watch a movie. Of course there are other functions as well. Its the IR problem of it not being there. I would really like it if everything switched to BT. Its way better than IR.

3.) Wish it understood NTFS so I could connect NTFS USB drives. FAT32 isn't as reliable as NTFS and I'll never use it. Its not a journaling FS.

Other than those for now..... WOW! I really love this thing.

Marshall

I have a projector with hdmi-dvi card, but I want to hook the toslink to my receiver for audio, nothing. Does the new Sony upgrade address this or must I use the component audio cables and let the receiver decode. I'm a couple of years from buying a new receiver with hdmi.

Jay

I have a projector with hdmi-dvi card, but I want to hook the toslink to my receiver for audio, nothing. Does the new Sony upgrade address this or must I use the component audio cables and let the receiver decode. I'm a couple of years from buying a new receiver with hdmi.

Jay
You probably just need to go through the settings menu to enable the Optical out and select what formats to send out.

Hi,

I have a JVC G1000 projector. Here is a link to its manual and specs.
http://www.jvcdig.com/manuals/g1000_operator_man.pdf

It does not have an HDMI input. I bought a ps3 last night and I have not opened it yet. My question is will it output 1080i via component to my projector while watching Blue Ray movies? Has any one done this?

I also bought an xbox 360 with HDDVD and an Oppo 970 upscaler SD DVD. The Oppo 1080i component looks better than the xbox 360 even with HDDVDs vga or component.

Now a friend wants to buy the Oppo from my...

What would you do?
1. Take the ps3 back
2. Sell the oppo to my friend
3. Sell the xbox 360 and HDDVD
4. Keep them all.

Thanks,
Bren

Hi,

I have a JVC G1000 projector. Here is a link to its manual and specs.
http://www.jvcdig.com/manuals/g1000_operator_man.pdf

It does not have an HDMI input. I bought a ps3 last night and I have not opened it yet. My question is will it output 1080i via component to my projector while watching Blue Ray movies? Has any one done this?

I also bought an xbox 360 with HDDVD and an Oppo 970 upscaler SD DVD. The Oppo 1080i component looks better than the xbox 360 even with HDDVDs vga or component.

Now a friend wants to buy the Oppo from my...

What would you do?
1. Take the ps3 back
2. Sell the oppo to my friend
3. Sell the xbox 360 and HDDVD
4. Keep them all.

Thanks,
Bren

I can't really guide you on your last four questions. Somebody else here would be more qualified than me on those, and to tell the truth it's really just subjective and personal preference at that point anyway. However, I can assure you that the PS3 does output blu ray over component cables at 1080i. You just have to buy the proprietary connector for it, however.

Lastly, there is a rumor that dvd upscaling will come to the PS3 at some point in the future with firmware upgrades. If that is true, you may want to consider selling the Oppo at that point if the PS3 is a good upcaling dvd player.

Brandon

You probably just need to go through the settings menu to enable the Optical out and select what formats to send out.

yuichiror is correct.... my setup uses HDMI for video and optical out for audio.

When I my PS3 is set to 1080i, two things happen. I get this weird ghosting/burn-in effect where images leave sort of a shadow on the screen after they have left (particularly noticeable in the XMB menu) and there are pairs of parallel lines running vertically across the screen that can be seen from closer than 5'. This problem appears both in the menu and in blu-ray playback. When I change the resolution to 720p, everything looks peachy keen. I'm outputting to a dell W4200 plasma with an HDMI -> DVI cable that accepts 720p and 1080i. Does anyone have any idea what is going on here? 1080i from my cable box over component works perfectly on my set. Could it be an issue with the DVI port on my TV?

When I my PS3 is set to 1080i, two things happen. I get this weird ghosting/burn-in effect where images leave sort of a shadow on the screen after they have left (particularly noticeable in the XMB menu) and there are pairs of parallel lines running vertically across the screen that can be seen from closer than 5'. This problem appears both in the menu and in blu-ray playback. When I change the resolution to 720p, everything looks peachy keen. I'm outputting to a dell W4200 plasma with an HDMI -> DVI cable that accepts 720p and 1080i. Does anyone have any idea what is going on here? 1080i from my cable box over component works perfectly on my set. Could it be an issue with the DVI port on my TV?


Wierd - sounds like interference or a connector issue. Have you tried switching it out?

BRENRIDLEY:

PS3 will output BD at 1080i (select that as your maximum resolution in the display options set up) via component to a display/projector. Looks very good. Supposedly HDMI looks even better. I am wating for the 1080p24 update and then I can switch to HDMI on my Panasonic AE-900U and see how good the PS3 can really be.

I tried using a straight HDMI cable instead of HDMI->DVI, and the problem still exists, except the vertical lines are not visible. The image retention remains. The vertical lines are only visible from closer than five feet, and only on static, black images (such as the ps3 menu), so I don't think it is a deal breaker for blu-ray playback. The image retention only seems to be visible on a static black background as well. When playing a blu-ray disk, the vertical lines are visible only in the letterboxed areas above and below the image, but not in the movie itself.

I suspect my dell TV can't handle interlaced signals properly over DVI (or HDMI?), since everything looks perfect in 720p. Unfortunately my PS3 is downconverting to 480p when 1080i is off. Is this normal? I'm considering picking up a pair of component cables for the ps3, but I already have both component inputs taken on my TV, so I'd have to crawl back there and swap cables every time I wanted to use the third component.

I tried using a straight HDMI cable instead of HDMI->DVI, and the problem still exists, except the vertical lines are not visible. The image retention remains. The vertical lines are only visible from closer than five feet, and only on static, black images (such as the ps3 menu), so I don't think it is a deal breaker for blu-ray playback. The image retention only seems to be visible on a static black background as well. When playing a blu-ray disk, the vertical lines are visible only in the letterboxed areas above and below the image, but not in the movie itself.

I suspect my dell TV can't handle interlaced signals properly over DVI (or HDMI?), since everything looks perfect in 720p. Unfortunately my PS3 is downconverting to 480p when 1080i is off. Is this normal? I'm considering picking up a pair of component cables for the ps3, but I already have both component inputs taken on my TV, so I'd have to crawl back there and swap cables every time I wanted to use the third component.


Well if the vertical lines are gone then you elimiated the interference issue with the cable change. Looks like the cable is either not shielded properly or just bad.

How old is your Dell? It's a Plasma so do you have any burn in or image retention issues with other sources - say a pure white screen from an Avia Disc (do you have any test discs?) Could be an HDMI issue but it still sounds more like a refresh rate issue or some kind of electrical interference - perhaps from the video processing or progressive scan ciruity in the monitor?

What else have you tried with the display and HDMI? Other players? Same result?

And yes, the PS3 does not presently ouput BD in 720p. You have to enable 1080i for component BD or 1080P/i for HDMI BD else it downconverts all BD to 480p in this order:

1080p/1080i/480p/480i

I have a question about Audio and PS3 and a BluRay movie:

I want to get "Devil Wears Prada" but the back says audio is Lossless DTS and my reciever only has Toslink in and DTS and Dolby Digital decoding. This is the reciever:

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/YSP1/idx_spec_ysp800.htm

Will I be able to hear any audio? Will it be regular DTS?Lossless DTS has a core "regular" DTS stream. Since you only have optical, you should set the PS3 to output bitstream, which will allow your receiver to decode the full 5.1 DTS (though you'll lose any secondary audio like commentary or menu sound effects). If you set your PS3 to output PCM you'll hear secondary audio, but won't get surround sound because there's not enough bandwidth on optical for multi-channel PCM.

- Talk

Hi guys,

I'm new here and i have some question that bother me. Well, i just received two days ago my japanese PS3 and now i have some questions. Next to the gaming experience i also want to enjoy the great new movie features of Blu-Ray. Can you guys perhps tell me what movies i can play on my JP PS3? Is it possible to play US-Movies which i can order from amazon? Or specially what kind of movies can i watch on my system? It would be nice if someone can answer my questions :) I guess EU BR movies will be impossible or?

Sony has not announced PiP or full BD-Live (network) support, but I fully expect they will. Every indication is that the PS3 hardware is easily capable of supporting the requirements.

But what about with The Descent's PiP? I think i just read somewhere, that it works on the PS3.

Hi guys,

I'm new here and i have some question that bother me. Well, i just received two days ago my japanese PS3 and now i have some questions. Next to the gaming experience i also want to enjoy the great new movie features of Blu-Ray. Can you guys perhps tell me what movies i can play on my JP PS3? Is it possible to play US-Movies which i can order from amazon? Or specially what kind of movies can i watch on my system? It would be nice if someone can answer my questions :) I guess EU BR movies will be impossible or?
From what I've read, there's a new region encoding for BD's and games. Now the US and Japan have the same region code so you should be able to watch and play US games and BD's on a Japanese PS3 and vice versa.

Though there are some that are saying the games are not region encoded:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/697/697656p1.html

2 new clips of BD and a couple games at the PS Store. Another reason to get PS3, lots of FREE content updated.

Blood Diamond and The Good German.

When I my PS3 is set to 1080i, two things happen. I get this weird ghosting/burn-in effect where images leave sort of a shadow on the screen after they have left (particularly noticeable in the XMB menu) and there are pairs of parallel lines running vertically across the screen that can be seen from closer than 5'. This problem appears both in the menu and in blu-ray playback. When I change the resolution to 720p, everything looks peachy keen. I'm outputting to a dell W4200 plasma with an HDMI -> DVI cable that accepts 720p and 1080i. Does anyone have any idea what is going on here? 1080i from my cable box over component works perfectly on my set. Could it be an issue with the DVI port on my TV?

does you tv have some sort of movie mode/3:2 pulldown setting? try turning it off if it is on.

You got it. You are playing the best the format has to offer. You can try to test between bitstream optical output and PCM True HD or even higher bandwidth Dolby Digital PCM.

Bottom line: you are doing the best audio.

Tim


Thank you for this one. I was used to see the DD or DTS and suddenly I see the MPCM and thought I am not getting a better audio (although the sound was very clear and nice).. I read the forums and some magazines, and they keep telling us to just use bitstream and not be confused.

Not too many yet knows what you know Tim! I will keep my setting this way and let me quote you again

'You are playing the best the format has to offer'. Thanks again.

(Just not to confuse others - I am using HDMI from PS3 to Receiver, because I think if it is optical, bitstream is the way to go?)

FiloD

I have a question regarding standard DVDs and DTS 6.1 playback:

My setup is a PS3 linked through HDMI to my Pioneer 74TXI receiver and from the Pio to a Mitsubishi 73927 TV. I checked all the sound modes during initial PS3 setup and left HDMI to send PCM to my receiver. I set the receiver to "pure direct" , which means no receiver processing at all. When I play games, the 7.1 plays OK but when I try to play Titanic standard DVD with DTS 6.1 I only get 5.1 and no surround back. Is that because the PS3 doesn't process DTS for standard DVDs?

Thanks

Sergio

Never mind, just found that there is no DTS 6.1 support on the PS3 .

Never mind, just found that there is no DTS 6.1 support on the PS3 .
There isn't? When I play XMen III, my receiver reads that it's getting DTS Discrete 6.1.

BTW, did you enable both Dolby and DTS out on your PS3?

Oops, sorry, misread your post. So on SD DVD's, the PS3 won't output DTS 6.1? I gotta check that out.

Well if the vertical lines are gone then you elimiated the interference issue with the cable change. Looks like the cable is either not shielded properly or just bad.

How old is your Dell? It's a Plasma so do you have any burn in or image retention issues with other sources - say a pure white screen from an Avia Disc (do you have any test discs?) Could be an HDMI issue but it still sounds more like a refresh rate issue or some kind of electrical interference - perhaps from the video processing or progressive scan ciruity in the monitor?

What else have you tried with the display and HDMI? Other players? Same result?

And yes, the PS3 does not presently ouput BD in 720p. You have to enable 1080i for component BD or 1080P/i for HDMI BD else it downconverts all BD to 480p in this order:

1080p/1080i/480p/480i

It is a W4200, so about 2 years old I believe. It has only seen around 6 months of use however. I don't have any burn in or image retention from any other sources, including my HD cable box via component. Although the vertical lines disappear going from DVI to HDMI, the image retention remains in 1080i. 720p over both cables and both inputs looks perfectly fine, which leads me to believe it is a problem with the ps3 and not the cable or input. I have used an upconverting samsung DVD player with the same cable on the DVI port and it looks fine as well.

But what about with The Descent's PiP? I think i just read somewhere, that it works on the PS3.The Descent uses a method to do PiP which works on all players (but requires more disc space). It'll work fine on the PS3.

How do you turn off the time feature that brightens the screen during daylight hours?

Its hard to hold out but by next weekend im going to pull the trigger and get a PS3.Im just waiting to hear what comes out of CES.

The Descent uses a method to do PiP which works on all players (but requires more disc space). It'll work fine on the PS3.

I see, thanks.

The Descent uses a method to do PiP which works on all players (but requires more disc space). It'll work fine on the PS3.
Talkstr8t,

I don't have a blu-ray player, but I'm a consumer who is following the format war out of an interest in hi definition home movies (and for the saga's entertainment value). Given earlier discussions I have followed, I am curious if the method you refer to allows one to easily toggle the PiP on and off and choose where it is placed.

So, how's the 480p output for SD DVDs on the PS3? How does it compare to the player you were using? I've heard there are some default picture filter settings at +2 (which may not necessarily help the image).

I have a Playstation 3 on the way and have an HDMI question. Reading the specs, it looks like there are 2 HDMI outputs on the console. Do both of these HDMI output the video/audio signal stream simultaneously? The reason I ask is I have a Panasonic receiver with an HDMI input and output that unfortunately doesn't have 1080P capability (1080i is the max signal it will pass). I also have a TV with 1080P HDMI. To get the best of both worlds (take advantage of HDMI audio) and a 1080P video signal, I would like to hook up one of the HDMI outs on the Playstation to the receiver to take advantage of the best audio and run the other HDMI out from the Playstation to the HDMI 1080P TV input.

Hope this will work! Any thoughts?

I have a Playstation 3 on the way and have an HDMI question. Reading the specs, it looks like there are 2 HDMI outputs on the console. Do both of these HDMI output the video/audio signal stream simultaneously? The reason I ask is I have a Panasonic receiver with an HDMI input and output that unfortunately doesn't have 1080P capability (1080i is the max signal it will pass). I also have a TV with 1080P HDMI. To get the best of both worlds (take advantage of HDMI audio) and a 1080P video signal, I would like to hook up one of the HDMI outs on the Playstation to the receiver to take advantage of the best audio and run the other HDMI out from the Playstation to the HDMI 1080P TV input.

Hope this will work! Any thoughts?
There's only one HDMI output on the PS3.

I don't THINK there would be a big diff between 1080i and p unless you've got a huge screen. I'd go ahead and plug it into your receiver, deal with the 1080i, and enjoy the great picture and great sound.

There's only one HDMI output on the PS3.

I don't THINK there would be a big diff between 1080i and p unless you've got a huge screen. I'd go ahead and plug it into your receiver, deal with the 1080i, and enjoy the great picture and great sound.

Thanks for the info. More than a few sites listed the HDMI as "HDMI out x 2". I must have misunderstood what that means.

I have a 65" screen and definitely want to take advantage of a full 1080P video path. I'll just have to use an optical for the audio.

Thanks for the info. More than a few sites listed the HDMI as "HDMI out x 2". I must have misunderstood what that means.

I have a 65" screen and definitely want to take advantage of a full 1080P video path. I'll just have to use an optical for the audio.
That's a huge screen alright! I'm using optical out now, but I plan on upgrading my receiver to a HDMI compatible one this summer.

Thanks for the info. More than a few sites listed the HDMI as "HDMI out x 2". I must have misunderstood what that means.

I have a 65" screen and definitely want to take advantage of a full 1080P video path. I'll just have to use an optical for the audio.

Because those websites are using a very old spec sheet that has long been outdated. Sony ditched the 2nd HDMI out about 8 months ago...maybe earlier.

Brandon

There isn't? When I play XMen III, my receiver reads that it's getting DTS Discrete 6.1.

BTW, did you enable both Dolby and DTS out on your PS3?

Oops, sorry, misread your post. So on SD DVD's, the PS3 won't output DTS 6.1? I gotta check that out.

If your receiver shows DTS discrete, it's because it is doing the processing, not the PS3. You are using bitstream and I use LPCM. I want the PS3 to do the audio processing to take advantage of the new audio formats (uncompressed).

Sergio

Running a Sony 1292 with a hdmi to DVI cable, in 1080 P there is a ton of noise in the blue and red tubes leading to a lot of "black snow" in the dark areas of a movie, in 1080i all is well. My Denon up convert player which does 1080p through the same cable does not have this problem. Anyone know if Sony will address this in a future service pack? Sony told me I needed to call the "TV's manufaturer" It IS a sony! BTW, don't purchase from EB Games, I was informed today that becaiuse I was one day late :mad: (counting the 1 day they were closed) they would not let me return the PS3, they weren't even open new years, so I realistically was within their draconian 7 day return policy but no dice, told I had to talk to the owner and he's not in.

J

If your receiver shows DTS discrete, it's because it is doing the processing, not the PS3. You are using bitstream and I use LPCM. I want the PS3 to do the audio processing to take advantage of the new audio formats (uncompressed).

Sergio
Ahh, gotcha. Thanks for the info.

Err, correct if I'm wrong, but if you're playing a SD DVD, don't they only contain the old compressed formats? I can understand the PS3 games' audio coming out the expected format, but not the SD's...

I'm not a noob when it comes to home theater, but I've never delved too deeply in how all the audio aspects work.

If your receiver shows DTS discrete, it's because it is doing the processing, not the PS3. You are using bitstream and I use LPCM. I want the PS3 to do the audio processing to take advantage of the new audio formats (uncompressed).

Sergio

You are talking about using HDMI right? Just curious. If you are using optical the the LPCM that you choose will only be played back in stereo, so it is much better if you use Bitstream for optical.

I have a video related question.

How does PS3 output 1080p60?

Does it convert 1080p24 to 1080i and then convert it to 1080p60?
Or does it convert 1080p24 to 1080p60 directly?

Any thoughts from the experts?

You are talking about using HDMI right? Just curious. If you are using optical the the LPCM that you choose will only be played back in stereo, so it is much better if you use Bitstream for optical.

I think he's talking standard DVD. In that case, PS3 doesn't do LPCM over optical EVER -- even if you set it to LPCM. It *always* does bitstream. If you set it to Bitstream, it applies DRC (Dynamic Range Compression) to the bitstream. If you set it to LPCM, it sends pure DD or DTS bitstream with no DRC. I know this sounds nuts but that's what it does with standard DVDs over optical link (OTOH, with Blu-Ray, LPCM is 2-chan PCM stereo and Bitstream is DD or DTS).

Or does it convert 1080p24 to 1080p60 directly?Directly.

The PS3 PQ issues are related to its color space and inability to pass BTB and peak white values. The PS3 is really more of a computer. Blu-ray and DVD content is stored on the disk at YCrCb, but the Nvidia chip in the PS3 does all its calculations in RGB. Hence, the PS3 reads the YCrCb off the disk, converts it to RGB for processing, and then must convert it back to YCrCb for output to display.

You are talking about using HDMI right? Just curious. If you are using optical the the LPCM that you choose will only be played back in stereo, so it is much better if you use Bitstream for optical.

Yes, I'm talking about HDMI sending LPCM to the receiver and playing a SD DVD . If I set the HDMI to Bitstream the receiver will do the processing and DTS will be displayed. My receiver has the option to cancel all processing if I select "pure direct" and in this case the PS3 will be the only audio processor. If I leave the receiver in "standard' mode it shows PCM + DD, PCM+ MV or PCM+MS. I guess MS means surrounds are active but I can't figure what "MV" means. The Pioneer manual doesn't explain the PCM very clearly.

Sergio

ok, I'm totally freaked. So I wanted to bounce this off the forum.

I went into my local box store tonight, all ready to pull the trigger. I'd finally decided that since the rest of my av stack is sony, I'd get a ps3 to use it for blue ray for my hd1000u projector.

When I hit the checkout, the kid started really laying the 'buy the warranty' crud on me. He claimed that they were getting 30% returns because people were overtaxing the ps3s using it as a blue ray player. I figured it was baloney. But it pee'd me off. So mid-transaction, I just looked up and said "fine, you talked me out of it. If its such a piece of **** I don't want it."

Then he went all ape on me about how I'd be much better off with an xbox with the add on.

As I walked away, I figured it was all about this kid's agenda. But before I go out tomorrow and grab one from some place that doesn't make its profit from add-on sales, I thought I'd check this thread. I didn't see anything when I searched for defects or returns.

Has there really been a problem with PS3s dying? Or was this just some kid bashing the Sony trying to get me to buy the hundred dollar plus insurance?

Eric

Extended warranties are a racket.

Look at the posts on this thread.

Does it sound like people are having problems? 30% would be fairly widespread.

That's why I'm looking and asking. I can't help but think if there was anything to the drives giving out under constant use, it would have popped up several times in this thread. I haven't seen it mentioned once.

Anyone else have a pov?

e

Extended warranties are a racket.

Look at the posts on this thread.

Does it sound like people are having problems? 30% would be fairly widespread.

It could very well be 30% returns at that kids store. A lot of people surely returned them when they discovered they couldn't sell a PS3 on Ebay for a nice profit....but 30% due to problems? No chance.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. This is the same store that would charge $49 for a 6ft hdmi cable.

That's why I'm looking and asking. I can't help but think if there was anything to the drives giving out under constant use, it would have popped up several times in this thread. I haven't seen it mentioned once.

Anyone else have a pov?

e

*I've subscribed to this thread for about 1 month now and actually read through this thread from the beginning just to catch up.

*I've been subscribed to the malfunction/defects/problems thread over at ps3forums.com since the launch of the PS3.

*I've owned a PS3 since Nov. 17th.

I can tell you that in my personal experience I've only noticed two problems ever: The audio dropped out twice after watching a movie. I tried to play a game afterwards and the audio was dropping and I had to restart the PS3 to resolve this glitch. It's happened twice and I've watched probably about 20 movies on it so far, some multiple times. The only other problem was a freeze during the loading of the Formula 1 game demo that I downloaded from the PS store. Through research I've found out that there is a glitch in the demo, it wasn't the PS3's fault.

Now, my personal experiences aside, in summary the most problematic issue I've read about are that people have experienced lock-ups during blu ray playback. Several folks here have experienced this issue, some having it resolved, and the rest I don't really know about because I haven't seen them posting about it. I've never read about any drives failing or things of that nature...and even if they did, that's easily under warranty and it would likely fail right away.

Just my input, hope that helps you make a more informed decision and aware of some issues you may or may not run into if you do decide to take the plunge. In my estimation it's a solid multi-media device, a potentially great gaming console, and an excellent blu ray player.

Brandon

Thanks brandon.

I don't tend to use gaming consoles. Go figure. And I'm a programmer, too. I didn't even know about that site.

From your summary, it sounds like all the issues thus far have been software related. Most likely the result of sloppy project management. That's a code refinement issue. I can live with that.

I'll take a look at that thread. Thanks again.

If it was software releated it seems like more people would have problems. I have no problems like some of the people describe with the same software.

I finally got to setup the PS3 I bought and I am so glad I bought the remote, too, or else the unit would have been dropped of the roof by now. :) I'm using HDMI->DVI and optical for audio. It looks like the PS3 "clips" BTB and WTW vs "pushing out" to 0-255 like the Tosh A1, which was my one big concern. I base this on that I didn't have to go to any great extremes to calibrate like on the A1 and yet still not be satisfied. I don't remember reading, but does the PS3 behave correctly using the component outs (with adapter)?

larry

If it was software releated it seems like more people would have problems. I have no problems like some of the people describe with the same software.
The ONLY problem I've seen so far is once my controller/console locked up. Restarted the machine and everything's fine.
Hard to say if it's just software. Unless we know for certain every console has the EXACT same parts. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the bits here and there came from multiple suppliers.

I finally got to setup the PS3 I bought and I am so glad I bought the remote, too, or else the unit would have been dropped of the roof by now. :) I'm using HDMI->DVI and optical for audio. It looks like the PS3 "clips" BTB and WTW vs "pushing out" to 0-255 like the Tosh A1, which was my one big concern. I base this on that I didn't have to go to any great extremes to calibrate like on the A1 and yet still not be satisfied. I don't remember reading, but does the PS3 behave correctly using the component outs (with adapter)?

larry
Don't know about BTB and WTW, but I've noticed a much softer picture when using the component outs.

Leominster?? Wow, I haven't been there in years.

I finally got to setup the PS3 I bought and I am so glad I bought the remote, too, or else the unit would have been dropped of the roof by now. :) I'm using HDMI->DVI and optical for audio. It looks like the PS3 "clips" BTB and WTW vs "pushing out" to 0-255 like the Tosh A1, which was my one big concern. I base this on that I didn't have to go to any great extremes to calibrate like on the A1 and yet still not be satisfied. I don't remember reading, but does the PS3 behave correctly using the component outs (with adapter)?

larry

Do you feel that there is a lack of shadow detail in dark scenes? I feel like something is missing. You are correct that btb and wtw is being clipped. I verified this with DVE. But I am not sure how much it is really affecting the PQ. I feel like the XA1 has more dak detail. Anyone else feel that this is hurting PQ noticibly?

It looks like the PS3 "clips" BTB and WTW vs "pushing out" to 0-255 like the Tosh A1, which was my one big concern.It does. Moreover, the PS3 clips both HDMI and DVI output, not just DVI.

I'm hoping the March update will address this.

I feel like the XA1 has more dak detail.It definitely does, although when comparing the same Warner disk on both formats, the differences are only obvious in some scenes. If I just put the same disk in (ex: Training Day) and skip to a random scene, I can't tell a difference.

Now, my personal experiences aside, in summary the most problematic issue I've read about are that people have experienced lock-ups during blu ray playback. Several folks here have experienced this issue, some having it resolved, and the rest I don't really know about because I haven't seen them posting about it.I had stutters / pauses develop last week. I formatted the internal hard drive and that seemed to fix the problem. You can do this through PS3 settings.

I had stutters / pauses develop last week. I formatted the internal hard drive and that seemed to fix the problem. You can do this through PS3 settings.

Did you do a backup of it first? Do you lose all of the data on the drive if you don't?

Also, can somebody point me somewhere that I can read about BTB and WTW? I know absolutely nothing about this.

Brandon

I finally got my PS3 and have a few questions.

1. I read that Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr is better than the RGB setting. Other work on my LCT TV, on my Sanyo Z2 projector only the RGB works well, if not selected all Blacks have a Pink layer over them. Someone know why?

2. I set in the PS3 all resolutions to use, my TV supports that, the projector only works if I deactivate the 1080P. When I look at the resolution on the Z2 during a DVD playback, the Z2 shows only 480P? Someone know why? Would this also happen during BR playback?

3. Can I create my own folders under the Music and Picture section when I import files or do I have to live with what the PS3 is creating?

thanks

Do you feel that there is a lack of shadow detail in dark scenes? I feel like something is missing. You are correct that btb and wtw is being clipped. I verified this with DVE. But I am not sure how much it is really affecting the PQ. I feel like the XA1 has more dak detail. Anyone else feel that this is hurting PQ noticibly?

I agree. My PS3 seems to give me 2 choices. First choice is seeing all the detail in dark areas by boosting the brightness on my display but this leaves the darkest areas grey rather than a nice deep black. Second choice is nice deep blacks, but lose lots of detail in darker areas.

My Denon 2910 produces a better result in this regard.

Ira

Do you feel that there is a lack of shadow detail in dark scenes? I feel like something is missing. You are correct that btb and wtw is being clipped. I verified this with DVE. But I am not sure how much it is really affecting the PQ. I feel like the XA1 has more dak detail. Anyone else feel that this is hurting PQ noticibly?
BTB can be present in DVDs (SD and HD) and without analyzing the video it's impossible to say how much information, if any, we're losing. Same goes for WTW. My calibration settings are basically the same as my other digital output players (that work properly). I can get a nice smooth gray ramp from black up to reference white and then it's all the same because of the clipping. I've watched a couple movies and they look great. It's a much better situation than with the A1 HDMI->DVI (although component from the A1 is correct and looks great too) because we get the correct video, not an expanded dynamic range which can cause calibration issue on some displays.

larry

I agree. My PS3 seems to give me 2 choices. First choice is seeing all the detail in dark areas by boosting the brightness on my display but this leaves the darkest areas grey rather than a nice deep black. Second choice is nice deep blacks, but lose lots of detail in darker areas.

My Denon 2910 produces a better result in this regard.

Ira THe only way you'll know for sure what you should be seeing is to pop in a calibration disc like DVE or GetGray and check out the smooth gray ramps. Unless you are watching something with a lot of BTB, darks scenes should look ok.

larry

A few pages back I posted about problems that I was having with some Blu-Ray discs hanging in my PS3-Denon 4806-Fujitsu P50XHA40 all HDMI setup. The problem seems to be related to te auto-recognition feature of the PS3 on RGB vs. YPbPr. If I turn autorecognition off, I don't seem to have problems with other discs. I had a similar problem with one of my games--NBA07. When I was fiddling around testing to see if the Denon would handle 7.1 PCM direct input, NBA07 hung during loading. Turning that particular format off and rebooting the PS3 fixed the problem.

The 1.3 update enabled the PS3 to output either YCrCb component or RGB... one of which may look better depending on your display's own internal decoding.

Have you tried it both ways? It has been said that one of them (I think YCrCb) avoids clipping.

THe only way you'll know for sure what you should be seeing is to pop in a calibration disc like DVE or GetGray and check out the smooth gray ramps. Unless you are watching something with a lot of BTB, darks scenes should look ok.

larry

Question? Are losing BTB and WTW the same thing as black and white CRUSH? OR are these levels below and above the the level of the "normal" black and white?

Second question? Is the PS3 clipping more than BTB and WtW, or is everything else there but those extremes? I can only see 480p using DVE (obviously) so I am not sure what it is doing with 1080p.

The 1.3 update enabled the PS3 to output either YCrCb component or RGB... one of which may look better depending on your display's own internal decoding.

Have you tried it both ways? It has been said that one of them (I think YCrCb) avoids clipping.


Negative, clipping still exists.

BTB can be present in DVDs (SD and HD) and without analyzing the video it's impossible to say how much information, if any, we're losing. Same goes for WTW. My calibration settings are basically the same as my other digital output players (that work properly). I can get a nice smooth gray ramp from black up to reference white and then it's all the same because of the clipping. I've watched a couple movies and they look great. It's a much better situation than with the A1 HDMI->DVI (although component from the A1 is correct and looks great too) because we get the correct video, not an expanded dynamic range which can cause calibration issue on some displays.

larry

It is interesting that your calibration settings are the same for the PS3 as for other digital out devices. I have an Optoma H77 with one DVI input. I am currently driving it with a Denon 2910 HDMI out to and 3-> HDMI switch and the switch connect to the H77 through an HDMI->DVI converter. The other input to the switch is the PS3 HDMI, so I can switch inputs quickly and easily.

With the Denon, using AVIA, I set the brightness on the H77 at -10 using the black level test settings and it appears I don't lose any visible detial in dark sections of the image. With the PS3, again using AVIA, I have to set the brightness at -1 (i.e., much higher) to avoid losing visible detail. At this setting, black goes from really dark black to medium gray. Thus, I am seeing a big difference between these two devices.

I will double check my Denon to make sure it is set up for normal and not expanded (i.e., computer levels). I think it is set correctly.

Ira

The master switch is in the back....I leave that on but power my sytem down once finished using the system. The red light is on indicating stand-by mode.

I apologize if this has been covered before, but I couldn't find it in this thread. How exactly do you put the PS3 into standby mode? Is there anything that needs to be done outside of leaving the main switch in the back set to on? By that I mean, if you power it down from the front, it appears as though the PS3 is off and not in standby mode because my Monoprice HDMI switcher does recognize the PS3 input as a vaild input because it thinks it is off. Do you just leave the PS3 on and it will automatically go into standby mode?

Many thanks in advance.

Standby on the ps3 is much the same as many recievers, akin to full power down-fans off hd off -no audio or video out. So for the sake of your switch standby IS off. I wouldnt leave the ps3 on steady because of the power use.

Question? Are losing BTB and WTW the same thing as black and white CRUSH? OR are these levels below and above the the level of the "normal" black and white?

Second question? Is the PS3 clipping more than BTB and WtW, or is everything else there but those extremes? I can only see 480p using DVE (obviously) so I am not sure what it is doing with 1080p. I'm only using a 480p calibration disc too, GetGray (haven't popped in DVE). I did run some HD-DVD patterns through my A1 and the calibration was the same as with SD-DVDs so I'm assuming it should be the same. If you think about it, there is no reason for it to be different. Hidef DVDs are the same video data - just more of it. :) Of course, as seen way too many times, players sometimes have a mind of their own, so to speak.

Black or white crush is a symptom, not a cause. "Crush" happens whenever two (or more) different "color" values are displayed as the same "color". If these pixels are adjacent to each other you can see how detail can be lost. This can happen with improper calibration, issues in the display design or electronics, and with both types of BTB and WTW issues ("clipping" and "push out" due to converting to PC video). On a digital display, you typically calibrate to not see BTB data. So any BTB data will be displayed as "black" and if there is any "black" next the BTB you'll get "crush". This can be avoided by raising black level (brightness) but then you are artificially raising all levels of black which may not look as good. This is one trade-off "against" digital displays vs CRT that digital display owners have to live with. Also, if the incoming video with BTB is to be scaled, having BTB info makes the scaling more accurate and helps reduce any possible crush to some extent. Most digital displays can be calibrated to show all the white values from "reference white" on up. When WTW is clipped it may be easier to see "white crush" (if WTW video is being displayed). IIRC, the "desert scene" in the DVE video montage has a fair amount of WTW video.

larry

That's why I'm looking and asking. I can't help but think if there was anything to the drives giving out under constant use, it would have popped up several times in this thread. I haven't seen it mentioned once.

Anyone else have a pov?

e

I had a similar experience from my point of purchase on launch day where the sales goofette tried several times to talk me out of the purchase with comments like "this first batch will have many problems-failures-defects. Why don't you wait 6 months?"
Since I was well aware what was happening on ebay that day I replied " Why don't you ring it through before I call my lawyer, who'll call your head office and you'll be shovelling snow for a living?".

My ps3 has been flawless with bd movies and games and online content through regular use. I wonder if some of the lockup reports I'm reading are simply some users who don't know that if you turn the ps3 on at the console with the standby button then start using the controller the unit doesnt respond (appears locked up) untill you tap the ps button once. This is to assign the controller an id which allows a multi controller enviroment- but certainly not a flaw.

I'm only using a 480p calibration disc too, GetGray (haven't popped in DVE). I did run some HD-DVD patterns through my A1 and the calibration was the same as with SD-DVDs so I'm assuming it should be the same. If you think about it, there is no reason for it to be different. Hidef DVDs are the same video data - just more of it. :) Of course, as seen way too many times, players sometimes have a mind of their own, so to speak.

Black or white crush is a symptom, not a cause. It happens whenever two (or more) different "color" values are displayed as the same "color". If these pixels are adjacent to each other you can see how detail can be lost. This can happen with improper calibration, issues in the display design or electronics, and with both types of BTB and WTW issues ("clipping" and "push out" due to converting to PC video). On a digital display, you typically calibrate to not see BTB data. So any BTB data will be displayed as "black" and if there is any "black" next the BTB you'll get "crush". This can be avoided by raising black level (brightness) but then you are artificially raising all levels of black which may not look as good. This is one trade-off "against" digital displays vs CRT that digital display owners have to live with. Also, if the incoming video with BTB is to be scaled, having BTB info makes the scaling more accurate and helps reduce any possible crush to some extent. Most digital displays can be calibrated to show all the white values from "reference white" on up. When WTW is clipped it may be easier to see "white crush" (if WTW video is being displayed). IIRC, the "desert scene" in the DVE video montage has a fair amount of WTW video.

larry

Does anyone know if the BTB/WTW "clipping" is something that can be rectified via firmware upgrades; or does the PS3's chip based RGB processing (what ever the output) prohibit the "fix"?

It is interesting that your calibration settings are the same for the PS3 as for other digital out devices. I have an Optoma H77 with one DVI input. I am currently driving it with a Denon 2910 HDMI out to and 3-> HDMI switch and the switch connect to the H77 through an HDMI->DVI converter. The other input to the switch is the PS3 HDMI, so I can switch inputs quickly and easily.

With the Denon, using AVIA, I set the brightness on the H77 at -10 using the black level test settings and it appears I don't lose any visible detial in dark sections of the image. With the PS3, again using AVIA, I have to set the brightness at -1 (i.e., much higher) to avoid losing visible detail. At this setting, black goes from really dark black to medium gray. Thus, I am seeing a big difference between these two devices.

I will double check my Denon to make sure it is set up for normal and not expanded (i.e., computer levels). I think it is set correctly.

IraEach player and display can behave differently. We won't know for sure until there's a correct Blu-Ray calibration disc (and whenever Joe Kane's disc comes out for HD-DVD). Also, remember, there is no BTB info on Avia, unless you have Avia Pro. Setting black level is trickier. DVE and GetGray both have smooth gray ramps with BTB and WTW and there are "tick marks" that show where "black" and "reference white" are located. GetGray also has additional BTB and WTW patterns compared to DVE.

larry

I finally got to setup the PS3 I bought and I am so glad I bought the remote, too, or else the unit would have been dropped of the roof by now. :)

Am I the only one that actually likes using the game controller to watch Blu-ray movies? :o

I like to watch movies in near-total darkness and I like to do quick rewinds and pauses when I see something interesting so I love the fact that I can just grab the remote off the couch and find the controls easily, without even looking at it. With traditional remotes, these rewind and pause buttons tend to be small and hard to find in the dark. (But to play games, I prefer a proper steering wheel for racing games and a joystick for flying shooters--go figure.)

While I'm on my soapbox, on the BT/IR front, I love BT. I always forget which component I'm trying to control and first point the remote at the TV, then have to re-point it at the DVD player or HDTV tuner or receiver or whatever. (I bought one of the last HDTVs that came without a DTV tuner....) With the BT I don't even have to worry about blocking the line of sight with the throw on my knees! ;)

lazy gandalf :o

Am I the only one that actually likes using the game controller to watch Blu-ray movies? :o

I like to watch movies in near-total darkness and I like to do quick rewinds and pauses when I see something interesting so I love the fact that I can just grab the remote off the couch and find the controls easily, without even looking at it. With traditional remotes, these rewind and pause buttons tend to be small and hard to find in the dark. (But to play games, I prefer a proper steering wheel for racing games and a joystick for flying shooters--go figure.)

While I'm on my soapbox, on the BT/IR front, I love BT. I always forget which component I'm trying to control and first point the remote at the TV, then have to re-point it at the DVD player or HDTV tuner or receiver or whatever. (I bought one of the last HDTVs that came without a DTV tuner....) With the BT I don't even have to worry about blocking the line of sight with the throw on my knees! ;)

lazy gandalf :o
I'm with you on both fronts. I'm perfectly content using the sixaxis to control my movie viewing and I LOVE the fact that it's BT. Now, I'd get the BT remote if I could get it to control the rest of my components....

one of the reasons why I'm considering the ps3 is because I already have a little used PSP. I understand that I can use the psp to control ...and view the menuing output... of the ps3. My thought on this has been that since my room uses a projector, I could use the psp when all i'm doing is selecting mp3 off the hard drive to play through the stereo. The point being, is that I really don't want to fire up my projector just to see my mp3 player's menu. save that bulb, y'know.

for me, if I can do this, it's a big plus. Has anyone tried it?

Eric

re PS3 remote: I don't play console games - they came out after "my time". :) I bought the PS3 to watch BD discs.

larry

Am I the only one that actually likes using the game controller to watch Blu-ray movies? :oI picked up a PS3 yesterday and grabbed the remote since I'll use it almost exclusively for movies. But after playing around with the controller for a couple of hours I might just return the remote. I'm pretty much a press play and watch the movie guy anyway.

I just ordered the PS3 remote from Amazon - for family use when I am away - I think the game controller will take a little too much time to figure out.

Once a IR to BR converter is out - I will add the info to my Harmony 880 and get back to one remote again.