I believe if you run just component all you get for Blu Ray is 480P You have to be running HDMI to get 720P and better.

NOT TRUE! This was stated hundreds of times! You should check before posting, instead of creating confusion and misunderstandings...
Component will get you everything up to 1080i from blu-ray (till somebody uses Constrain Token). Due to DVD Consortium limitations, commercial DVDs are limited to 480p.
Speaking of creating confusion, it is my understanding, and that of a lot of other people for that matter, that the PS3 will not upconvert DVDs to 1080i via component:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3media&thread.id=83780

If I have missed something I would certainly appreciate a link to something that would clear up the misapprehension under which one of us is clearly suffering.

Speaking of creating confusion, it is my understanding, and that of a lot of other people for that matter, that the PS3 will not upconvert DVDs to 1080i via component:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3media&thread.id=83780

If I have missed something I would certainly appreciate a link to something that would clear up the misapprehension under which one of us is clearly suffering.

The only thing you may have missed is that the post you quoted is saying pretty much what you are. SD-DVD cannot be upconverted with components. It will playback at 480p. BR will playback at 1080i thru components.

The only thing you may have missed is that the post you quoted is saying pretty much what you are. SD-DVD cannot be upconverted with components. It will playback at 480p. BR will playback at 1080i thru components.

THANK YOU!!! You beat me to it! :)

Kris

SD-DVD cannot be upconverted with components. It will playback at 480p.Strictly speaking, the online manual (http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/bdsettings.html#2449) says that copyright-protected DVDs cannot be upscaled via component.

Exactly right Amnesia. My backed up movies all play upconverted over component(another + for backing up movies).

well, this is definitely part of it. I have a mess, I'll have to play with settings more later.

RGB/Component

One works with DirecTV box, the other works with the PS3 for the Main menu and playing games. A different setting works for SD-DVD and I can't get Blu-Ray(The Dark Knight) to play at all now.

I'm going to try a different cable later and play with the settings. The HDMI is a 2 yr old cable, maybe a newer cable will not have issues.

Well, we are getting somewhere!:)
If you are getting Desktop from PS3, it's unlikely ti is cable problem...
What do you mean, when you say you now cannot play BD? Any BD? If it's only "Dark Knight", try different one.
Before you start tearing up cables (and hair :p), put the PJ's HDMI back on Auto, and reset PS3 to default settings (I think you should hold down Power Switch during shut-down sequence, but I am not absolutely positive, never done it myself). Reason for it is, that when it (PS3) is connected "1st" time to new display device, it reads all necessary parameters from it, and configures itself accordingly. There is possibility that yours sort of remembers older configuration...
Give it the chance to do it again, and lets see what happens,

Kris

The only thing you may have missed is that the post you quoted is saying pretty much what you are. SD-DVD cannot be upconverted with components. It will playback at 480p. BR will playback at 1080i thru components.
You are right. I didn't read carefully enough after he wrote, "NOT TRUE! This was stated hundreds of times! You should check before posting, instead of creating confusion and misunderstandings...” The poster's gratuitous discourtesy in response to a good faith mistake provoked a careless reaction. Sorry about that.

On another note anyone know if the USB ports have enough power to run a back lit keyboard or do I need to get a Powered hub?
I know they don't have enough juice to power an external HDD
ty


I'm sure it does...mine runs a external fan out of the usb hub

Were you standing in front of the PS3 w/ keyboard in hand and decided to come here 1st?
For the love of god!...plug it in!

Firmware 2.60 (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/20/firmware-2-60-brings-photo-gallery-divx-3-11/)

Not much of any BD or DVD improvements.

Firmware 2.60 (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/20/firmware-2-60-brings-photo-gallery-divx-3-11/)

Not much of any BD or DVD improvements.

Can somebody cut&paste the description of the patch... Websence here at work so that site is blocked :D

Can somebody cut&paste the description of the patch... Websence here at work so that site is blocked :DDouble posted already in the PS Gaming Section of AVS...hit it up there. You should be good to go.

Can somebody cut&paste the description of the patch... Websence here at work so that site is blocked :D


Here ya go....

Sony is giving PlayStation 3 owners a surprise gift today. Firmware 2.60 will be dropping imminently and will bring with it several new features. The photo gallery is a new installable feature which gives you a large variety of ways of sorting and displaying your photos. You can see more of that in the video above.

DivX 3.11 is also now supported by PS3s, as well as guest access to the PlayStation Store. This means that whether you've signed up or not you can now browse the PlayStation Store and see all the cool stuff you're missing out on. No doubt there'll be some further, secret features included in 2.60. If you find anything else be sure to let us know. We'll update as soon as the new firmware goes live.

Does anyone know if version 2.53 enabled deep color or is it still outputting 8bits?

Deep Color has been working for a while now. It's not clear that the PS3 is trying to do anything special with it though.
--Bob

Deep Color has been working for a while now. It's not clear that the PS3 is trying to do anything special with it though.
--Bob

how do you turn it on or is always on?

There is no setting for Deep Color. Apparently if the next device in the HDMI chain supports Deep Color then that's the type of HDMI connection you get.
--Bob

Those involved in the "component" discussion need to be clear about what they are referring to or discussing because there are 2 uses of the term "component" and they are NOT the same thing.

Component video data format - video used in home theater systems is generally present in 1 of 2 forms... RGB or component. Component video can travel on 3 cables usually terminated with RCA jacks and color coded red, green, blue. But component video can also be (and is the most common format) sent over HDMI. Most consumer video sources and displays 'default' to component video, these days it is digital component video represented by YCbCr. The point here, is you can be using an HDMI cable and still be transmitting component video - you MUST know the context of the terminology to understand whether the writer is referring to the component video data format OR the component video connection (3 separate cables).



2) Component Video Connection - carries analog or digital video on 3 cables, usually terminated with RCA connectors, sometimes terminated with BNC connectors. The video carried by these cables can be RGB (other conections may be required on top of the 3 main cables), YCbCr (digital component video) and YPbPr (analog component video).

Update on my dead 60gig PS3, it had the green, yellow, flashing red light syndrom and would not power on. I sent it to Sony 01/13/09 and received the repaired unit back today 01/20/09 WOW:D
They even remembered to send back the game disc that was trapped in it!
Now it cost $169 U.S.$ plus local taxes (Ontario, CDA.) but that included all shipping expenses. Colour me impressed!

Ok, here is what is going on with my setup with ps3 using the Sharp DT-510 DLP 720p Projector, Through HDMI from Marantz SR4002 receiver:

1) the default is component, my HR20 directv hdmi feed works with that. RGB makes it pink

2) ps3 is PINK under Component setting, while normal under RGB, same for games
---a SD-DVD I played through ps3 is Pink under RGB, but good under Component

I can not get Blu-Ray to play, get sound, no video through projector feeding through my Marantz SR4002 receiver. Projector says "RGB Not Reg." or "Component Not Reg." when I attempt to play.

Here are my ps3 Video settings:

BD/DVD Cinema Conversion: Automatic

BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI) Automatic

BD 1080p 24hz Output HDMI ON

BD/DVD Dynamic Range Control: Automatic

UPDATE: Got it working.....I think. and I think the Picture looks even better than it did before with the onkyo 606


Changed settings to:

Video Output: 720p(since its a 720 pj)
Cross Color Reduction Filter: On
RGB Full Range: Full
Y Pb/CB Pr/Cr Super-white: On


BD/DVD Cinema Conversion: Video
Upscaler: Normal
BD/DVD Video output Format RGB
BD 1080p 24hz output: automatic


Now, I think I just need to figure out how to get my Harmony Remote to change the RGB/Component setting on PJ when I go back and forth between TV and ps3....

New firmware V2.60 is downloading now (very slowly).
--Bob

New firmware V2.60 is downloading now (very slowly).
--Bob

Hi Bob , time to check and see if BTB and WTW are fixed for RGB over HDMI :D

Scott.....................:cool:

There is no setting for Deep Color. Apparently if the next device in the HDMI chain supports Deep Color then that's the type of HDMI connection you get.
--Bob

Hi Bob,

Is there any material out there with Deep Color at this point?

Joe

No. You would have to make it yourself. No Blu-Ray, no HDTV, no SD-DVD.
--Bob

V2.60 finally completed its install. Now I've got an additional 105MB to download to add the Photo Gallery portion of this update.
--Bob

V2.60 finally completed its install. Now I've got an additional 105MB to download to add the Photo Gallery portion of this update.
--Bob

Wow Bob - you beat me by days ;) Happy 2.6 playing.

Photo Gallery software also finally installed. I've got a fast network, so owners must be hammering the download server pretty hard.

Trying things now. So far so good.
--Bob

Hi Bob , time to check and see if BTB and WTW are fixed for RGB over HDMI :D

Scott.....................:cool:
No change. You still won't get Blacker than Black data if you use RGB video output.
--Bob

Any idea if 2.60.....

Works with Twonkymedia? (does it break anything)
-does the new photo feature work on photos that are on a media server?

Any issue with IR2BT?

PS3 firmware has caused issues for me in both of these in the past.

Thanks!

I'm still waiting for that firmware that stops kicking my PS3 fans into 2nd and 3rd gear 5 minutes into a Blu-ray movie. Which is strange because my PS3 sits on TOP of my entertainment center not surrounded by anything.

Here's to continued hope.

The new firmware V2.60 works just fine with the "updated" IR2BT.
--Bob

I'm still waiting for that firmware that stops kicking my PS3 fans into 2nd and 3rd gear 5 minutes into a Blu-ray movie. Which is strange because my PS3 sits on TOP of my entertainment center not surrounded by anything.

Here's to continued hope.

which unit do you have? My brother has the 40GB and I have noticed his kicks into 3rd gear every time he games or plays a BR. I have never heard mine louder than what I call 2nd gear(just faster than silent).

I have the 60GB and his is CONSIDERABLY louder than mine at all times. Anybody else notice any of this?

No. You would have to make it yourself. No Blu-Ray, no HDTV, no SD-DVD.
--Bob

Yes, just wanted to clear this up before we get slammed with questions.

Vaporware, with no real commercial use as far as the eye can, see can be confusing. Thanks.

Joe

UPDATE: Got it working.....I think. and I think the Picture looks even better than it did before with the onkyo 606


Changed settings to:

Video Output: 720p(since its a 720 pj)
Cross Color Reduction Filter: On
RGB Full Range: Full
Y Pb/CB Pr/Cr Super-white: On


BD/DVD Cinema Conversion: Video
Upscaler: Normal
BD/DVD Video output Format RGB
BD 1080p 24hz output: automatic


Now, I think I just need to figure out how to get my Harmony Remote to change the RGB/Component setting on PJ when I go back and forth between TV and ps3....


Cross Color Reduction Filter only applies to composite video connection IIRC. RGB range should be set to Limited unless you are using a computer display, or the settings on the projector are calibrated to computer level output and can't be changed. And on BD/DVD output, I suggest automatic or YCC unless you have issues with it and must use RGB.

NOT TRUE! This was stated hundreds of times! You should check before posting, instead of creating confusion and misunderstandings...
Component will get you everything up to 1080i from blu-ray (till somebody uses Constrain Token). Due to DVD Consortium limitations, commercial DVDs are limited to 480p.
Frankly I wouldn't have posted it if I hadnt experience 480P only over component to both My Projector and Widescreen Tube TV granted not everyone is affected by this on the PS3
My old Up converting DVD player also would not up convert standard DVD's becouse of HDCP protocal
over component without entering the secret menu system and it was a one shot deal
however my Sat box didnt have any issue with this because it outputs signals on all video outs simaltaniously.

Now If his dark night does'nt play then it's possible that some other setting are still interfering check the status on compatible output resolutions under Video output and then see if 24 frame mode is turned on or off
Since BD is looking for 1080P and your projector is 720P native and 1080i compatible you probably also have the 1080P box checked and your projector will not play at 1080P in which case turn 24hz /frame to off as your probably not supporting that either

which unit do you have? My brother has the 40GB and I have noticed his kicks into 3rd gear every time he games or plays a BR. I have never heard mine louder than what I call 2nd gear(just faster than silent).

I have the 60GB and his is CONSIDERABLY louder than mine at all times. Anybody else notice any of this?

I have a 40GB unit in an enclosed rack (with front door open) and the fan never kicks up while watching a movie. My brother has the 60GB unit out in the open and his does kick up the fan a notch while watching a movie...go figure. :confused:

Cross Color Reduction Filter only applies to composite video connection IIRC. RGB range should be set to Limited unless you are using a computer display, or the settings on the projector are calibrated to computer level output and can't be changed. And on BD/DVD output, I suggest automatic or YCC unless you have issues with it and must use RGB.

I'll play with those settings a little more, but pretty sure I'm stuck with the RGB setting, before I was getting a pink screen on my Sharp DT-510 Projector. I had it on Automatic before.

If anyone can suggest a good 1080p projector that can throw a nice 100" image from 11ft, i'd be interested to know model. Seems like only 1080p's that do that and ideal from that distance cost a fortune. I got the Sharp DT-510 new for $589 and the image is actually pretty good, just have this issue with the ps3 to it. Other option is to get a higher end receiver that can handle it better.

Can someone recommend me a good Internal Hard Drive for the ps3(I have the new 80gb version). want atleast 500gb worth.


also, what is a good External Hard Drive?

I want to accomplish atleast two things, and may actually want to do it all on External Drives for portability, but I guess then I'd have to stream to ps3 to play? anyway want to:

1) Convert my DVD collection to ISO files and save on a hard Drive and get rid of the hard disc. Over 100 disc here

2) Store HD movies and shows/series off my DirecTV DVR HR20 box(this will need to be External HD I guess)

3) then downloading DIVX files and I guess down the road Blu-Ray files.

Thanks for any help/suggestions here.

UPDATE: Got it working.....I think. and I think the Picture looks even better than it did before with the onkyo 606


Changed settings to:

Video Output: 720p(since its a 720 pj)
Cross Color Reduction Filter: On
RGB Full Range: Full
Y Pb/CB Pr/Cr Super-white: On


BD/DVD Cinema Conversion: Video
Upscaler: Normal
BD/DVD Video output Format RGB
BD 1080p 24hz output: automatic


Now, I think I just need to figure out how to get my Harmony Remote to change the RGB/Component setting on PJ when I go back and forth between TV and ps3....

You would only want BD/DVD Cinema Conversion on "Video" if you're watching video based content (Planet Earth, Earth: The Biography, etc). Most content on BD will be "Film" based.

You probably would be better served leaving it on automatic.

Can someone recommend me a good Internal Hard Drive for the ps3(I have the new 80gb version). want atleast 500gb worth.


also, what is a good External Hard Drive?

I want to accomplish atleast two things, and may actually want to do it all on External Drives for portability, but I guess then I'd have to stream to ps3 to play? anyway want to:

1) Convert my DVD collection to ISO files and save on a hard Drive and get rid of the hard disc. Over 100 disc here

2) Store HD movies and shows/series off my DirecTV DVR HR20 box(this will need to be External HD I guess)

3) then downloading DIVX files and I guess down the road Blu-Ray files.

Thanks for any help/suggestions here.

If your PS3 is networked why don't you just stream your media from your PC to it. You'll have more stockage capability this way and those will be without file size restriction. And you'll also get the benefit of using media that are not readilly suported by the PS3 since some of those media server are able to transcode on the fly.

If your PS3 is networked why don't you just stream your media from your PC to it. You'll have more stockage capability this way and those will be without file size restriction. And you'll also get the benefit of using media that are not readilly suported by the PS3 since some of those media server are able to transcode on the fly.

only have a Lenovo Laptop, 150gb's I think. but what I was thinking and just use External Hard drives?

I was looking at the My Passport Hard Drives, but other options are alot cheaper. Any reason why the My Passport cost more and would be better?

With respect to the new photo features, why doesn't the system allow the direct copying of photos being viewed on a media server to the photo gallery? I can copy pictures as the wallpaper, but not to some designated folder on the hard drive.

This is a rather annoying limitation.

which unit do you have? My brother has the 40GB and I have noticed his kicks into 3rd gear every time he games or plays a BR. I have never heard mine louder than what I call 2nd gear(just faster than silent).

I have the 60GB and his is CONSIDERABLY louder than mine at all times. Anybody else notice any of this?
A 40GB PS3 (or the latest 80GB PS3) that kicks into high speed fan while playing Blu-Ray movies, and which is set up with reasonable ventilation to begin with, is a unit that needs service. A properly operating 40GB unit (or latest 80GB unit) *WILL NOT DO THIS*!

If the unit is still under warranty, then this will be warranty service.

Give Sony tech support a call.

There is no reason to have to live with a noisy 40GB (or latest 80GB) PS3.
--Bob

I bought the BDP-S1 in May 2007 because I wanted a dedicated blu-ray player rather than a game console. I've been impressed with the S1 since, but I'll admit, I've been feeling left out after Bonus View and BD Live was released (the S1 does not have these features).

The last thing I wanted to do was trade my S1 for another player because it would be such a waste -- so I bought a PS3 recently because it has many other functions. The plan was to continue using the S1 as my blu-ray player and play the odd video game and view Bonus View/BD Live material on my PS3.

What I didn't expect was to discover that the PS3 is an outstanding blu-ray player. It has all the functions that my S1 has and obviously more. In fact, my Samsung LCD 1080p/60hz displays 1080p/24hz when playing blu-ray movies. How did my PS3 do that?

Anyways, as you might suspect, I haven't used my S1 since purchasing the PS3 and I still don't feel like selling it because it would be such a waste.

Anyone else bought a PS3 and decided to get rid of their dedicated blu-ray player?

Or bought a PS3 after buying a dedicated blu-ray player. If so, why did you do that?

With respect to the new photo features, why doesn't the system allow the direct copying of photos being viewed on a media server to the photo gallery? I can copy pictures as the wallpaper, but not to some designated folder on the hard drive.

This is a rather annoying limitation.

I use PS3 media server, and I just hit triangle on streamed pictures and hit copy and they move to the PS3.

Then they appear in the new photo library.

The reason the photo library does not use streamed photos is because DLNA streaming in and of itself means streaming one by one as requested, not mapping the whole drive at once as an external drive.

The new photo library works like many PC software that do the same thing, they index photos, analyze and store info about them (the whole smiles thing). If the images are not on the local drive where the PS3 knows to look, then they wont appear. DLNA streamed pictures, are just that, streamed not locally present. Sort of like a flickr account online, you can see them at any time, in whatever order you want, but they wont show up offline in your PC browser.

Back on topic, anyone have Pineapple express and can test the new Bluray theme support? Does it just add a full background at the XMB?

I bought the BDP-S1 in May 2007 because I wanted a dedicated blu-ray player rather than a game console. I've been impressed with the S1 since, but I'll admit, I've been feeling left out after Bonus View and BD Live was released (the S1 does not have these features).

The last thing I wanted to do was trade my S1 for another player because it would be such a waste -- so I bought a PS3 recently because it has many other functions. The plan was to continue using the S1 as my blu-ray player and play the odd video game and view Bonus View/BD Live material on my PS3.

What I didn't expect was to discover that the PS3 is an outstanding blu-ray player. It has all the functions that my S1 has and obviously more. In fact, my Samsung LCD 1080p/60hz displays 1080p/24hz when playing blu-ray movies. How did my PS3 do that?

Anyways, as you might suspect, I haven't used my S1 since purchasing the PS3 and I still don't feel like selling it because it would be such a waste.

Anyone else bought a PS3 and decided to get rid of their dedicated blu-ray player?

Or bought a PS3 after buying a dedicated blu-ray player. If so, why did you do that?


I don't see a reason to get a Dedicated player over a ps3, unless the good dedicated players get down in cost to $100 bucks. Right now, you get alot more for not much more in cost. Its basically a CPU for your HT that also plays Blu-Ray's well and faster.


I think Sony dropped the ball with them though, they should have them better promoted for non-gamers in the market for a blu-ray player in Electronic stores.

Deep Color has been working for a while now. It's not clear that the PS3 is trying to do anything special with it though.
--Bob
So if the TV or other device has EDID that indicates it is deep color then the PS3 will output 10bit even though the content is not 10bit?

So if the TV or other device has EDID that indicates it is deep color then the PS3 will output 10bit even though the content is not 10bit?
12 bit actually -- 36 bits per pixel.

There is an easy way to do this. Just tack 4 low order 0 bits onto the end of each of the three components making up each pixel. I.e., fake it. The real information content in the output is still 8 bits per component (24 bits per pixel), but it is being transmitted as 36 bits per pixel.

Now the PS3, like every other player, has to do some processing of the video before it can be sent out. Color Upsampling for example -- the process of reconstituting the missing horizontal and vertical color information in what comes off the disc. A fancier way of implementing Deep Color is to do that internal processing at more than 8 bits per component and to retain the extra "rounding" bits of the result in the output. The quality of the result is still limited by the 8 bit nature of the stuff coming off the disc, but you can argue that there might be some improvement preserving those rounding bits.

An even fancier way to handle Deep Color is to do some sort of image enhancement processing which attempts to figure out additional color information from the data coming off the disc adjacent both in space (nearby pixels) and time (nearby frames of video). This is a form of color "smoothing" or "detail enhancement" and the quality of the result is largely dependent upon how closely the real world images match the assumptions built into the algorithm of what they are supposed to look like. Again, you end up with rounding bits. The images are still limited by the 8 bit nature of what's coming of the disc, but if the algorithm guesses right as to what the imaging is SUPPOSED to look like, the results can look better.

All of this stuff is also limited by the eye's ability to pick up fine gradations in color. Keep in mind that Deep Color spans the same RANGE of colors and just provides a finer STEP SIZE between adjacent colors. The eye's ability to pick up differences in color varies with the type of imaging you are looking at.

What's known is that the PS3 generates 12 bits per component, 36 bits per pixel output if the next device supports HDMI Deep Color. What's not known is just how it does it -- simple (faking it), medium fancy (rounding bits from necessary processing), or extra fancy (rounding bits from something they'd like you to believe is "image enhancement" processing).

My guess would be "simple", but I just don't know.
--Bob

I don't see a reason to get a Dedicated player over a ps3, unless the good dedicated players get down in cost to $100 bucks. Right now, you get alot more for not much more in cost. Its basically a CPU for your HT that also plays Blu-Ray's well and faster.


I think Sony dropped the ball with them though, they should have them better promoted for non-gamers in the market for a blu-ray player in Electronic stores.

I think some people don't take it seriously because of the lack of built in IR remote capability as well.

I have my PS3 hooked to a Denon 1909 and use the PS3 to play Blu-Ray. My question is:

The PS3 as I understand will only do LPCM with the new HD audio formats (Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master). How do I know that the PS3 is decoding the HD Audio format and sending that decoded signal to the receiver? Is there a way I can check during a movie or is it just one of those, "it just does it" things? I am connected to 1909 via HDMI. Just wanted to know if there was a way I could tell what audio format the PS3 is decoding and outputing during a movie.

For example, if the back of the Blu-Ray box says the movie is in TrueHD, would the PS3 even be able to decode and send something different such as Dolby Digital or is it smart enough to know, "hey, the movie is recorded in TrueHD, that is what I will decode and send to the receiver"

Any help or comments would be great. Sorry for such a n00b question. If this has already been asked and answered somewhere else in the thread, feel free to just give me the post# or link to the post.

Grant

Bring up the on-screen info display while playing the movie. The details of what the PS3 is currently decoding for audio and video will be shown in the upper right corner of that info.

See "Display" about 2/3 of the way down this page:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/video/panel.html

Keep in mind that many movie discs do not default to playing the TrueHD or DTS-HD MA audio track. You must go into the disc's own menus to select that audio track. If you have selected the TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track, and are using HDMI LPCM audio output, then the PS3 is decoding the full TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track for you.
--Bob

Bring up the on-screen info display while playing the movie. The details of what the PS3 is currently decoding for audio and video will be shown in the upper right corner of that info.

See "Display" about 2/3 of the way down this page:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/video/panel.html

Keep in mind that many movie discs do not default to playing the TrueHD or DTS-HD MA audio track. You must go into the disc's own menus to select that audio track. If you have selected the TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track, and are using HDMI LPCM audio output, then the PS3 is decoding the full TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track for you.
--Bob
Thanks! Im at work now and cant get to the link (blocked) but I will check it out at home. Im guessing the on-screen info display is done by hitting the start, select, or triangle button, or it's one of the icons on the pop-up menu (square I think)?

Thanks! Im at work now and cant get to the link (blocked) but I will check it out at home. Im guessing the on-screen info display is done by hitting the start, select, or triangle button, or it's one of the icons on the pop-up menu (square I think)?

Select gives you the easiest display.

Also, its the disc's own pop up menu, like the old DVD menus. The PS3 can also select the track with the audio option from the Triangle menu, but built in disc menu is graphical and best.

only have a Lenovo Laptop, 150gb's I think. but what I was thinking and just use External Hard drives?

I was looking at the My Passport Hard Drives, but other options are alot cheaper. Any reason why the My Passport cost more and would be better?

The point is that you can hook up many external HD to your laptop and have them formated in NTFS and stream the content from it to the PS3. Any high capacity USB drive will work and you can get a 1 terra usb drive for around $125 these day. All you need is either windows media player 11 or TVersity as a backend on your laptop and you are good to go.

which unit do you have? My brother has the 40GB and I have noticed his kicks into 3rd gear every time he games or plays a BR. I have never heard mine louder than what I call 2nd gear(just faster than silent).

I have the 60GB and his is CONSIDERABLY louder than mine at all times. Anybody else notice any of this?


I have a 60GB I believe. Crap I need to check when I get home. The crazy part is that as I said, it's in an open space. I don't keep it in my entertainment center. And when I put my hand behind the unit on the fans, it's not blowing warm air. It's really annoying too because at night when we have to keep the sound down a bit, you can hear it at or over the movie.

Bring up the on-screen info display while playing the movie. The details of what the PS3 is currently decoding for audio and video will be shown in the upper right corner of that info.

See "Display" about 2/3 of the way down this page:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/video/panel.html

Keep in mind that many movie discs do not default to playing the TrueHD or DTS-HD MA audio track. You must go into the disc's own menus to select that audio track. If you have selected the TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track, and are using HDMI LPCM audio output, then the PS3 is decoding the full TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track for you.
--Bob
OK, two more questions for you.

First:
Why did your sentence starting with, "Keep in mind that many movie discs....." show up when I did quick reply to your post when your post didnt even have that sentence in it? Thats very weird and I'm very confused as to why that happened.

Second: (another n00b question) (with 3 parts, lol)
a) Do you have to tell the PS3 that you want to output HDMI LPCM every time before a movie or does it remember the setting?
b)Does HDMI LPCM work with all audio formats (TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, Dolby Digital, etc.) (i.e. can I set that setting and forget about it knowing its the best for all audio formats or would I need to change how the PS3 outputs the audio depending on the audio format?)
c)Where is it that I check to make sure I am outputing HDMI LPCM. Settings-->Audio Settings--> etc. correct?
(under the audio settings I do HDMI-->Automatic--> then it checks all of these boxes for me, all of them except AAC) (the boxes are like PCM 2.1/92kHz, PCM 5.1/48 kHz, PCM 5.1/72 kHz, PCM 7.1/192 kHz)

The point is that you can hook up many external HD to your laptop and have them formated in NTFS and stream the content from it to the PS3. Any high capacity USB drive will work and you can get a 1 terra usb drive for around $125 these day. All you need is either windows media player 11 or TVersity as a backend on your laptop and you are good to go.

can a USB External HD connect to ps3 via the ps3 USB port and play the files stored on them? Or a Computer with TVersity or equivalent is necessary for playback?

OK, two more questions for you.


I think you will find a WEALTH of answers HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14491190&postcount=2)

OK, two more questions for you.

First:
Why did your sentence starting with, "Keep in mind that many movie discs....." show up when I did quick reply to your post when your post didnt even have that sentence in it? Thats very weird and I'm very confused as to why that happened.

Second: (another n00b question) (with 3 parts, lol)
a) Do you have to tell the PS3 that you want to output HDMI LPCM every time before a movie or does it remember the setting?
b)Does HDMI LPCM work with all audio formats (TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, Dolby Digital, etc.) (i.e. can I set that setting and forget about it knowing its the best for all audio formats or would I need to change how the PS3 outputs the audio depending on the audio format?)
c)Where is it that I check to make sure I am outputing HDMI LPCM. Settings-->Audio Settings--> etc. correct?
(under the audio settings I do HDMI-->Automatic--> then it checks all of these boxes for me, all of them except AAC) (the boxes are like PCM 2.1/92kHz, PCM 5.1/48 kHz, PCM 5.1/72 kHz, PCM 7.1/192 kHz)
I edited my post, adding that last chunk. This probably happened after you viewed the page containing my post but before you clicked on the Quote button to reply to it. The Quote button picked up the newer, edited version of the post.

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You set the PS3 for HDMI LPCM output once and that's it. Assuming your AVR accepts high bandwidth multi-channel HDMI LPCM input and "does the right thing" with it, that's all you need to do. HDMI LPCM output works for all of the audio formats on all of the discs the PS3 can handle.

You select HDMI LPCM output format in Settings > Video Settings > BD/DVD Audio Output Format HDMI:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/bdsettings.html#1470

You also select HDMI as the connector for audio output in Settings > Sound Settings > Audio Output Settings:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/audiooutput.html

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You will find the answers to many commonly asked, basic setup questions like this at the beginning of the PS3 FAQ sticky thread at the top of this forum. If you haven't done so already, you should read that now:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931796

--Bob

can a USB External HD connect to ps3 via the ps3 USB port and play the files stored on them? Or a Computer with TVersity or equivalent is necessary for playback?

It can. Only if the drive is formatted as FAT32. It will appear as a drive at the top of each category on the XMB, music, movies and pictures.

can a USB External HD connect to ps3 via the ps3 USB port and play the files stored on them? Or a Computer with TVersity or equivalent is necessary for playback?

Yes it can, but like somebody before me told you, it must be formated in Fat32 so you'll be limited in the file size that can be access from them. If you need to be able to read bigger file than what Fat32 can give you you'll need to stream them (like if you want to play an 8gig file on your PS3, Fat32 won't work then).

Did they take down 2.60? I only see 2.53 on the update site.

Does anyone know if version 2.53 enabled deep color or is it still outputting 8bits?

What makes you think you want Deep Color?

Every source you have is 8-bits or less... DVD, Blu-ray, HD DVD, cable/satellite, and older sources. Cable/satellite typically deliver the equivalent of 7-bits and sometimes 6-bits.

If you have an 8-bit source and "turn on" Deep Color, nothing is gained and if it is not done RIGHT, everything will be inaccurate.

Did they take down 2.60? I only see 2.53 on the update site.
No. The update site has not yet been updated. It always takes a couple days to show there after it first shows up in the PS3 XMB.
--Bob

Did they take down 2.60? I only see 2.53 on the update site.

Its on the Japanese site or via the PS3 update search. It will appear on the US site, it usually does within a day or two.

No. The update site has not yet been updated. It always takes a couple days to show there after it first shows up in the PS3 XMB.
--Bob

Its on the Japanese site or via the PS3 update search. It will appear on the US site, it usually does within a day or two.

Thanks for the info.

2.60... what's the skinny? I'm going to hold off for a couple days just be sure the bugs aren't bad. Doesn't look like they added any BD features. Still, the photo thing sounds pretty cool.

can a USB External HD connect to ps3 via the ps3 USB port and play the files stored on them? Or a Computer with TVersity or equivalent is necessary for playback?

I actually use a 250g my passport hd via usb and really like it.
I find it much easier to naviage my photos in the folder i have them in.
And when i have a new album to add, i just bring the hd to my mac and transfer. So it doubles as a backup too.
All my music is on there too. All in all i have about 25g on it.
It just frees up a bit of the internal hd too.
I liked the my passport... it matches my ps3! :D
Dang... i've really become a fanboy... pitching this thing on all my buds!

Did they take down 2.60? I only see 2.53 on the update site.

v2.60 is now up on the US site

No change. You still won't get Blacker than Black data if you use RGB video output.
--Bob

I dont get this, why doesn't the ps3 do this? and what exactly does this do?

The option is there so why doesn't it work? and if they do fix this (do they even know?) what does that mean for me when i use RGB?

I've covered this a few times already in this thread and in the PS3 FAQ sticky thread. I suggest you search on my posts in each of those threads as I don't have the time right now to repeat the details.
--Bob

Hi , I was wondering if someone if anyone with an sxrd a3000 series Sony could give me their video settings or direct me to some. I tried searching forever but couldn't find anything.

Much thanks!!

Hi , I was wondering if someone if anyone with an sxrd a3000 series Sony could give me their video settings or direct me to some. I tried searching forever but couldn't find anything.

Much thanks!!

There's an entire calibration thread for the A3000 series SXRD TVs in the Rear Projection Forum here at AVS.

Having calibrated several different SXRDs as close to a professional calibration as possible, I can assure you that each SXRD is unique and the correct settings for one TV won't produce the same picture on another one.

The external HDD has to have external power the PS3 USB ports do not have enough juice to run normal size or compact side external hard drives.
The PS3 when plugged into the USB ports only recognizes Fat32 it does not work with NTSF
so then you need to download and install a Drive converter on your PC this one is free to use.
http://www.compuapps.com/download/swissknife/Swissknife.htm
Then once formated you create a folder named PS3 and with in that folder you have 3 folders MUSIC, PICTURES, GAMES AND VIDEO, then you can port all your Ipod tunes to the Music folder take the drive and plug it into the PS3
Or use your Home network and the PS3server software and stream to the PS3 in which case you dont have any drive format restrictions

for replacing your internal Ps3 drive most that I have talked to replace it with a 320gb 5400 rpm drive 7200rpm isnt necessary and just induces more heat

I'm curious to know if anyone has been able to apply their v2.60 update here in the US? After 3 attempts (file downloaded from 3 different computers utilizing 3 different ISPs), my PS3 recognizes it and begins the update process, then quickly aborts and says, "The data is corrupted. (8002F997)". Anyone else getting this error message?

Updated mine from the system update at 5:15pm yesterday. It was a slow download (as was the new photo viewer), but it worked without a hitch. I'm in Dallas if that helps...

Updated mine from the system update at 5:15pm yesterday. It was a slow download (as was the new photo viewer), but it worked without a hitch. I'm in Dallas if that helps...
Did you update via storage device (USB) or direct download?

I'm curious to know if anyone has been able to apply their v2.60 update here in the US? After 3 attempts (file downloaded from 3 different computers utilizing 3 different ISPs), my PS3 recognizes it and begins the update process, then quickly aborts and says, "The data is corrupted. (8002F997)". Anyone else getting this error message?

I did mine directly on the PS3. No problems.

^I suspected as much. I'm looking for feedback from those who download the update from the PS3 System Updates site, which shows v2.60 as available and ready to download. I have a feeling that the file posted online might be corrupted. It wouldn't be unheard of. Toshiba inadvertently posted a corrupt file of their v4.0 HD DVD update recently. But since that is merely a suspicion here, it'd be great to hear from those who update similarly.

Direct Download. The wifi download rate sucks, but it worked. Probably took 10+ min to download and then another 10-15+ to download the photo app after the install.

Watched a BD and then some streaming video and all was well...

The external HDD has to have external power the PS3 USB ports do not have enough juice to run normal size or compact side external hard drives.
The PS3 when plugged into the USB ports only recognizes Fat32 it does not work with NTSF
so then you need to download and install a Drive converter on your PC this one is free to use.
http://www.compuapps.com/download/swissknife/Swissknife.htm
Then once formated you create a folder named PS3 and with in that folder you have 3 folders MUSIC, PICTURES, GAMES AND VIDEO, then you can port all your Ipod tunes to the Music folder take the drive and plug it into the PS3
Or use your Home network and the PS3server software and stream to the PS3 in which case you dont have any drive format restrictions

for replacing your internal Ps3 drive most that I have talked to replace it with a 320gb 5400 rpm drive 7200rpm isnt necessary and just induces more heat

sounds like for Media files, better off to just go External and Stream through Computer then? My issue is I want it fairly well organized, and portability would be nice.

For DVD files, is it recommended they be ISO files or something else? In which case each movie is going to run roughly a Gig I guess?

I want a My Passport, but other brands are cheaper and give more space

sounds like for Media files, better off to just go External and Stream through Computer then? My issue is I want it fairly well organized, and portability would be nice.

For DVD files, is it recommended they be ISO files or something else? In which case each movie is going to run roughly a Gig I guess?

I want a My Passport, but other brands are cheaper and give more space


You can still organize your media on external USB drive but they are hooked up to your PC instead of your PS3. You can take them with you to a friend house if you want. As for your DVD I don't think you can stream an iso. But I could recommend you Nero Recode 3. Whit it you can convert your DVD to an .mp4 file that the PS3 can read easilly (there is a built in profile for the PS3). I tend to use a bit rate of 2.59mb/s 2-pass with AAC LC 192kb/s for audio for mine and I'm quite please with the result.

ps3 media server streams iso images of DVDs. Quite well.

ps3 media server streams iso images of DVDs. Quite well.
regardless of what size? what about BD images and HD audio?

I'm curious to know if anyone has been able to apply their v2.60 update here in the US? After 3 attempts (file downloaded from 3 different computers utilizing 3 different ISPs), my PS3 recognizes it and begins the update process, then quickly aborts and says, "The data is corrupted. (8002F997)". Anyone else getting this error message?

I did the update via a USB device after I downloaded the FW 2.6
from Sony's FW update site with NO ERRORS.

ps3 media server streams iso images of DVDs. Quite well.It certainly works, but I wouldn't call it well---at least not in comparison to non-ISOs streamed via Nero.

OK, whats the best way to take DVD's I have burned, to store on a hard drive. What format should I go with, to then stream to ps3?

I did the update via a USB device after I downloaded the FW 2.6
from Sony's FW update site with NO ERRORS.
Thanks, drhankz! That's what I needed to hear. Apparently, then, there are some broadband issues in my neck of the woods. (I assume you're here in the U.S.?)

OK, whats the best way to take DVD's I have burned, to store on a hard drive. What format should I go with, to then stream to ps3?


I do it this way for my backups of my DVD's....and I'm not suggesting it's the best..just works for me.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/computers-games-htpc-digital-devices/5363-ps3-video-server-media-server-preliminary-setup-tests.html

I only shrink down movies that are around 5gb or less...anything beyond that makes the compression artifacts start to become more noticeable. Movies that are under 4gb, I put on my external 320gb USB drive. All those that are larger, I copy over to the PS3 via ethernet from my PC(I upgraded the PS3 HDD to 160g). I've got access to about 65 movies as soon as I power on my PS3. Still need to backup a few more.

I do this because I don't care to stream...I know it works well, but I just don't want to always have my PC on while the PS3 is on.

Does anyone know how to import pictures from either a flash disk, external hard drive, or media center to the PS3? I can view the images on the PS3 but it won't let me copy any. The only way I have been able to copy images to the system were ones that are directly from my camera connected through the new photo program. I've tried jpegs, bitmaps, tiffs etc w/ no luck. I've had the pictures on an external hard drive, 2 flash drives, and copied some onto my memory card which was put back in the camera but it still won't copy them - only the new ones never taken off the camera. It always says something like no images can be copied. This is really annoying b/c I want to use the new photo program but it will only let me use the pics taken w/ the camera that have never been removed from the camera.

Let me know if anyone else is having issues with this. PM me if you please. :)

OK, whats the best way to take DVD's I have burned, to store on a hard drive. What format should I go with, to then stream to ps3?

The PS3 will also play VOB files. From a DVD you will have multiple VOB files, but there are programs that will join them into a single VOB.

For HD stuff, I use mkv2vob which takes mkv HD rips and converts them to a single VOB, leaving the video untouched. It does, however, convert the DTS to regular 5.1 if the audio track is DTS. For a 720p rip its around 4gigs, 1080p rips are about 8gigs.

One thing to keep in mind is any disc connected directly to the PS3 has to be FAT32 so you'll run into file size issues, which is why a lot of people are talking about streaming solutions. I'm a Mac user and use Medialink for UPnP streaming to my PS3. It also allows me to just copy files over my network to the PS3, even the large ones. This is helpful if your PS3 is connected via wireless instead of Cat5, because wireless isn't an optimal connection for streaming much beyond .avi files

2.60... what's the skinny? I'm going to hold off for a couple days just be sure the bugs aren't bad. Doesn't look like they added any BD features. Still, the photo thing sounds pretty cool.

Patience is a virtue, and once in a while, offers a value.

Thanks, drhankz! That's what I needed to hear. Apparently, then, there are some broadband issues in my neck of the woods. (I assume you're here in the U.S.?)

NH is that in the U.S?

I did the update yesterday, wirelessly (is that a word?) without a hitch. Took a while with my slowsky dsl but went fine.

NH is that in the U.S?

Depends, isn't the north half really just occupied Canada? ;)

zama89 - nice write up on ripping vobs. I have a very similar approach that is VERY easy...

1) Rip Vob from DVD using DVD Decrypter - set to stream processing and rip the movie and AC3 streams (reason to follow). Also, DVD Decrypter is set to output 1 vob and not split it up.

2) Change filename of Vob and add .mpg extension

3) Stream with PS3 Media Streamer (PMS)

Why rip with only the video and AC3 streams? Well, when you drop the lossless audio, you will often drop the file size by a gig or more. Since the PS3 likes mpeg-2 video and AC3 audio in a container, it can easily handle the mpg file this way. Keeping just those two streams usually allows the entire video to fit under the fat32 limit. In my case, it just allows me more room on my storage drive and I would generally just listen to the AC3 audio, anyway.

Of course, you could rip any of the other audio tracks as well, by selecting the right stream.

What's cool is that you're not changing the video at all, you're essentially re-muxing the existing video stream and AC3 (Dolby Digital) audio streams together into one file. So, there is no degredation in quality anywhere in the process.

I also second the use of MKV2VOB. You can select mpg as the target extension and it does a great job of a fast re-mux without having to reencode the video (usually). Great little app...

zama89 - nice write up on ripping vobs. I have a very similar approach that is VERY easy...

1) Rip Vob from DVD using DVD Decrypter - set to stream processing and rip the movie and AC3 streams (reason to follow). Also, DVD Decrypter is set to output 1 vob and not split it up.

2) Change filename of Vob and add .mpg extension

3) Stream with PS3 Media Streamer (PMS)

Why rip with only the video and AC3 streams? Well, when you drop the lossless audio, you will often drop the file size by a gig or more. Since the PS3 likes mpeg-2 video and AC3 audio in a container, it can easily handle the mpg file this way. Keeping just those two streams usually allows the entire video to fit under the fat32 limit. In my case, it just allows me more room on my storage drive and I would generally just listen to the AC3 audio, anyway.

Of course, you could rip any of the other audio tracks as well, by selecting the right stream.

What's cool is that you're not changing the video at all, you're essentially re-muxing the existing video stream and AC3 (Dolby Digital) audio streams together into one file. So, there is no degredation in quality anywhere in the process.

I also second the use of MKV2VOB. You can select mpg as the target extension and it does a great job of a fast re-mux without having to reencode the video (usually). Great little app...

You don't need to change the file extension. The PS3 plays a .vob file just fine from MKV2VOB

Good point - I am trying to stay compatible with more than just the PS3 and this works well for several devices. Leaving as vob would certainly be just fine.

I'm guessing to rip Blu-Ray's I need to get a blu-ray external drive for my laptop?

I have probably 200 plus DVD's, had an account on Netflix for awhile and maxed out the number I could get per week.

Is it possible to put 1TB Internal HD in a ps3? still debating which way I want to go, but think I want to put main copies on internally so I don't have to always fool with streaming, but keep enough open space to move files back and forth I don't want there permanently.

I'd like to, for example, get the entire series of the Sopranos in HD copied onto the ps3. To do this I think I need HBO to replay the series and record on my DVR to an external HD. I'm guessing whatever file extension that is, the ps3 will play?

I'd like to, for example, get the entire series of the Sopranos in HD copied onto the ps3. To do this I think I need HBO to replay the series and record on my DVR to an external HD. I'm guessing whatever file extension that is, the ps3 will play?

NO.... No DVR sold any where in the USA is going to record a premium HD channels to an external HDD in a non-encrypted format. This is against the current laws in the USA, such as DCMA and Cablelabs cable card standards (for HD DVR users or HTPC with cable cards).

No DVR that I know of saves files in a format the PS3 can read without some conversion being run on the container format (Maybe TIVO HD Has an option). For instance if you are recording an OTA HD channel using a Microsoft Mediacenter PC, the file format will be a priopitary MS container format. There are numerous programs to convert that container to one that the PS3 understands without touching the encoded MPEG2 video stream or the ac3/DD5.1 audio stream.

I'm guessing to rip Blu-Ray's I need to get a blu-ray external drive for my laptop?

I have probably 200 plus DVD's, had an account on Netflix for awhile and maxed out the number I could get per week.

Is it possible to put 1TB Internal HD in a ps3? still debating which way I want to go, but think I want to put main copies on internally so I don't have to always fool with streaming, but keep enough open space to move files back and forth I don't want there permanently.

I'd like to, for example, get the entire series of the Sopranos in HD copied onto the ps3. To do this I think I need HBO to replay the series and record on my DVR to an external HD. I'm guessing whatever file extension that is, the ps3 will play?

The PS3 use 2.5" HDD. I don't know if they make 1T drive on this format yet.

You don't have to "fool" with streaming once it is setup. It just work.

So my HTIB (Samsung AS720) can accept HDMI audio which is great for blurays.

The only problem is if i want to play music from my ps3 through the AS720 I have to leave the tv on!

Is there a way to set up the ps3 to send music to the optical output and blurays to hdmi. Or woudl i have to manualy change the settings every time i wanted to play music.

guess I'll be dowloading Soprano's DIVX files then, of course I have most of the DVD's which not sure if some DIVX torrents out there aren't better files.

Wow - Just installed PS3 Media and it is fantastic Big thumbs up

zama89 - nice write up on ripping vobs. I have a very similar approach that is VERY easy...

1) Rip Vob from DVD using DVD Decrypter - set to stream processing and rip the movie and AC3 streams (reason to follow). Also, DVD Decrypter is set to output 1 vob and not split it up.

2) Change filename of Vob and add .mpg extension

3) Stream with PS3 Media Streamer (PMS)

Why rip with only the video and AC3 streams? Well, when you drop the lossless audio, you will often drop the file size by a gig or more. Since the PS3 likes mpeg-2 video and AC3 audio in a container, it can easily handle the mpg file this way. Keeping just those two streams usually allows the entire video to fit under the fat32 limit. In my case, it just allows me more room on my storage drive and I would generally just listen to the AC3 audio, anyway.

Of course, you could rip any of the other audio tracks as well, by selecting the right stream.

What's cool is that you're not changing the video at all, you're essentially re-muxing the existing video stream and AC3 (Dolby Digital) audio streams together into one file. So, there is no degredation in quality anywhere in the process.

I also second the use of MKV2VOB. You can select mpg as the target extension and it does a great job of a fast re-mux without having to reencode the video (usually). Great little app...

I also do #1 and #2 above, but just stream with Windows Media Player....no issues with DVD (haven't tried HD DVD or BD yet)

They should really rethink the name of their product: PS3 Media Streamer
I'm not sure about using something that the acronym end up being PMS. :-)

I wish they would update the theatrical trailers and Blu Ray trailers section on the website more often and give us the latest trailers and give us lots more instead of the very small selection currently there.

They are still showing the old Trek teaser for download instead of the brand new trailer.

Does Sony have problems getting access to trailers for their online Playstation 3 network ?

It wouldn't be so bad if quicktime was able to play on the Playstation 3 then i could use the Apple site for trailers.

I'm guessing to rip Blu-Ray's I need to get a blu-ray external drive for my laptop?

I have probably 200 plus DVD's, had an account on Netflix for awhile and maxed out the number I could get per week.

Is it possible to put 1TB Internal HD in a ps3? still debating which way I want to go, but think I want to put main copies on internally so I don't have to always fool with streaming, but keep enough open space to move files back and forth I don't want there permanently.

I'd like to, for example, get the entire series of the Sopranos in HD copied onto the ps3. To do this I think I need HBO to replay the series and record on my DVR to an external HD. I'm guessing whatever file extension that is, the ps3 will play?

stream.NO.... No DVR sold any where in the USA is going to record a premium HD channels to an external HDD in a non-encrypted format. This is against the current laws in the USA, such as DCMA and Cablelabs cable card standards (for HD DVR users or HTPC with cable cards).

No DVR that I know of saves files in a format the PS3 can read without some conversion being run on the container format (Maybe TIVO HD Has an option). For instance if you are recording an OTA HD channel using a Microsoft Mediacenter PC, the file format will be a priopitary MS container format. There are numerous programs to convert that container to one that the PS3 understands without touching the encoded MPEG2 video stream or the ac3/DD5.1 audio stream.

You could, however, use this device. Works like a charm! Lasts a long time! Skirts the DRM issues by using the analog component outputs on your DVR. ie. My Directv HD DVR outputs simultaniously on all outputs. Also outputs 1080i on the components.

So I output HDMI to my receiver then on to the TV while the component & optical output to the box then computer.

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

zama89 - nice write up on ripping vobs. I have a very similar approach that is VERY easy...

1) Rip Vob from DVD using DVD Decrypter - set to stream processing and rip the movie and AC3 streams (reason to follow). Also, DVD Decrypter is set to output 1 vob and not split it up.

2) Change filename of Vob and add .mpg extension

3) Stream with PS3 Media Streamer (PMS)


Do you have any advice on how to also get the subtitles in there? I select them in the stream settings, but they don's always show up.

I use my PS3 for Blu-Ray movie watching which happens to be around 2-4 movies per month. My nephew came over from Europe for Christmas and stayed with me for about two weeks. During that time, he was using the PS3 for gaming and was using it for 14 hours a day straight without a break. Anyways, I received my utility bill (electric power) and I was shocked to see that our power usage has increased 50% for the month of Dec. We average about 800 KW per month during the winter months and my current bill shows the usage at 1245 KW for the month of Dec. That increased my bill for Dec by $60.00. Does the PS3 draw this much power or should I look for some fault in the house that draws so much current? Power co. says meter reading is accurate and working properly. I just can't believe the PS3 alone could be responsible for this unless it is a real power hog.

BTW, how much power does PS3 consumes in idle mode? Should I power off when not in use?

Was your nephew using additional lights, adjusting the thermostat?

Was your nephew using additional lights, adjusting the thermostat?

We use gas for heating.

...electric water heater producing more hot water, opening the fridge door a lot, electric cooking for the holidays, clothes washer/dryer, dishwasher etc., etc., etc.....

You might also want to check your meter yourself and compare against the reading shown on the bill. Meter readers have been known to get the reading wrong now and again.

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True story: In a previous life I lived in a multi-unit building in Boston. One of the tenants got a January bill for something like 4 times her normal usage. When she called to complain the phone guy told her to look for an "E" on the bill which meant the bill was actually estimated because the meter reader couldn't get to the meter on the normal reading day. It turns out that when that happens, the company takes the bill for the same month a year ago and multiplies it by a number a little larger than 1 and uses that for the estimated bill this time. The next time the meter is actually read billing catches up to reality.

Well January in Boston is winter weather season, and it turns out that this particular meter apparently had not actually been read in any January for something like 20 years. So all those multipliers a little over 1 got compounded year after year....
--Bob

Stew and Bob are probably right. A teenager at home all day playing on a
PS3 connected to a plasma or lcd, lights in the room on, a few trips to the fridge...

The old 60gb and 80gb ps3s use 180ish watts per hour when gaming. Newer 40gb, and new 80gb and 160gb use 120 or 130 per hour.
Also, remember if you have a plasma TV it eats through watts like there is no tomorrow. LCDs or tubes use less, but still at least 200 or so. A stereo system can use 200 or more than 500 if its a nice 7.1 system.

So having all those you can easily drain 500-1500 watts an hour depending on your setup. At 14 hours a day for two weeks straight... that would be roughly 100-300kw extra.

Power consumption compared

TVs:
Average plasma: 339 watts
Average rear-projection: 211 watts
Average LCD: 213 watts

Other AV gear:
PlayStation 3: 197 watts
Xbox 360: 187 watts
Average PC: 78 watts
DirecTV HR20 DVR: 33 watts
Nintendo Wii: 19 watts
Slingbox: 9 watts
Wireless router: 7 watts

From http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-2.html

That said, I have left my PS3 folding at home for weeks on end and I only noticed a few dollar difference on the power bill. But the TV, lights, stereo and all would add up a whole lot faster than the PS3. I know I turn on at least the TV, cable box, stereo, PS3 and several room lights when I play. At least 1000 watts total. 200 for our TV, 200 for PS3, 550 for the stereo... 2 or 4 lighbulbs... it adds up real quick.

That is quite a story, Bob.

The old 60gb and 80gb ps3s use 180ish watts per hour when gaming. Newer 40gb, and new 80gb and 160gb use 120 or 130 per hour.
Also, remember if you have a plasma TV it eats through watts like there is no tomorrow. LCDs or tubes use less, but still at least 200 or so. A stereo system can use 200 or more than 500 if its a nice 7.1 system.

So having all those you can easily drain 500-1500 watts an hour depending on your setup. At 14 hours a day for two weeks straight... that would be roughly 100-300kw extra.



From http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-2.html

That said, I have left my PS3 folding at home for weeks on end and I only noticed a few dollar difference on the power bill. But the TV, lights, stereo and all would add up a whole lot faster than the PS3. I know I turn on at least the TV, cable box, stereo, PS3 and several room lights when I play. At least 1000 watts total. 200 for our TV, 200 for PS3, 550 for the stereo... 2 or 4 lighbulbs... it adds up real quick.

On most days, we have at 6 LCD monitor running on 3 computers for about 14 a day in our home office. Every night we watch a movie, I use front PJ, onkyo 805, NAD 7 channel amp and some tv on LCD in the bedroom and we pretty much have the same amount of usage and bill year around. It's just this Dec bill that is way out of the norm. I will check my meter.

So my HTIB (Samsung AS720) can accept HDMI audio which is great for blurays.

The only problem is if i want to play music from my ps3 through the AS720 I have to leave the tv on!

Is there a way to set up the ps3 to send music to the optical output and blurays to hdmi. Or woudl i have to manualy change the settings every time i wanted to play music.

If you have a PSP and a decent wireless connection...you can use the PSP as a remote for playing music (Remote Play) from anywhere in the house with no need to turn on the TV....OR, you can do the music setup on the PS3 and just turn OFF the TV.

Is it possible to put 1TB Internal HD in a ps3? still debating which way I want to go, but think I want to put main copies on internally so I don't have to always fool with streaming, but keep enough open space to move files back and forth I don't want there permanently.Why internal?

You can play movies off of an external hard drive...

My understanding is that an external HD must be Fat32. Does this mean the internal drive is also Fat32?

Fat32 limits single file sizes to no bigger than 4GB. If the internal HD is Fat32, why am I able to transfer files larger than 4GB to the internal HD?

Thanks

My understanding is that an external HD must be Fat32. Does this mean the internal drive is also Fat32?

Fat32 limits single file sizes to no bigger than 4GB. If the internal HD is Fat32, why am I able to transfer files larger than 4GB to the internal HD?

Thanks

You are correct about the external drives - must be FAT32. The internal is formatted by the PS3, its not FAT32 (but I don't know what it is.)

Once again, this is why people have been suggesting streaming solutions and/or solutions where you can copy files up the network.

Why internal?

You can play movies off of an external hard drive...

But your are limited in file size then... External = Fat32 only.

Well when I first installed my PS3 was able to read page 1 on this thread now unable to open the FAQ on the first page, looking on how to set up my internet connection all over again some how lost it, trying to download the latest firmware for the PS3 any suggestion would be appreciated.

The FAQ is in the stickies at the top of this forum.

Do you have any advice on how to also get the subtitles in there? I select them in the stream settings, but they don's always show up.

No, I don't mess with subtitles at all. From what I understand, the PS3 won't allow "soft" subtitles from a file - they have to be burned into the video.

zama89 - nice write up on ripping vobs. I have a very similar approach that is VERY easy...

1) Rip Vob from DVD using DVD Decrypter - set to stream processing and rip the movie and AC3 streams (reason to follow). Also, DVD Decrypter is set to output 1 vob and not split it up.

I also second the use of MKV2VOB. You can select mpg as the target extension and it does a great job of a fast re-mux without having to reencode the video (usually). Great little app...

Could you elaborate on how you set up DVD Decrypter, especially the stream processing. The docs are a little sparse LOL. I'd like to compare Decrypter to Shrink.

Could you elaborate on how you set up DVD Decrypter, especially the stream processing. The docs are a little sparse LOL. I'd like to compare Decrypter to Shrink.

You can rip with shrink without compression if you want to have a 1 to 1 copy or with compression if not to a HDD folder instead of burning to disk and then just merge the vob into one with a simple DOS command.

ex.: copy /b first.vob+second.vob+...+last.vob destination.vob

I suddenly can't copy files from my video library to the PS3. I ripped a DVD with DVD Decrypter to 1 VOB file and it plays fine with VLC on my PC. The file is pretty big > 6 GB (on a NTFS USB drive) so I thought I'd copy it over to the PS3 and see how they looked. The copy failed and I got a "data corrupt" error. Tried a couple of other VOB files, same error. I rebooted and updated to 2.6, and trying the same file, get error 80030925. The movies that were already copied to the drive play fine, and I can copy audio files from the same NTFS library to the PS3. The actual file on the NTFS drive is 6.9 GB, "information" from the Play/copy menu on the PS3 says 2.1 GB. This is a "new" 40 GB PS3 that I upgraded to a 320 GB and its working perfectly. Am I running into some limitation I don't know about?

I suddenly can't copy files from my video library to the PS3. I ripped a DVD with DVD Decrypter to 1 VOB file and it plays fine with VLC on my PC. The file is pretty big > 6 GB (on a NTFS USB drive) so I thought I'd copy it over to the PS3 and see how they looked. The copy failed and I got a "data corrupt" error. Tried a couple of other VOB files, same error. I rebooted and updated to 2.6, and trying the same file, get error 80030925. The movies that were already copied to the drive play fine, and I can copy audio files from the same NTFS library to the PS3. The actual file on the NTFS drive is 6.9 GB, "information" from the Play/copy menu on the PS3 says 2.1 GB. This is a "new" 40 GB PS3 that I upgraded to a 320 GB and its working perfectly. Am I running into some limitation I don't know about?

I kindda remembered reading somewhere that there was a 4gig limit I may be wrong though. This is the reason I stream everything

I kindda remembered reading somewhere that there was a 4gig limit I may be wrong though. This is the reason I stream everything

4 GB limit on external FAT32 drives. The internal drive shouldn't have this limitation - its probably some variant on a Unix file system. I can't stream them either. I'm using Tversity as a Media Server. Haven't heard of this problem before.

I kindda remembered reading somewhere that there was a 4gig limit I may be wrong though. This is the reason I stream everything

The PS3 can't read NTFS formatted drives so you're limited to FAT32. This means a 4G filesize max. I have no idea what it will do to a 6G file on a DL DVD - possibly read it fine?

Streaming is the reliable way to copy large files to the PS3

You can rip with shrink without compression if you want to have a 1 to 1 copy or with compression if not to a HDD folder instead of burning to disk and then just merge the vob into one with a simple DOS command.

ex.: copy /b first.vob+second.vob+...+last.vob destination.vob

You can also tell Shrink not to split files at the 1G boundary to avoid this step. It will just create one large vob file

Could you elaborate on how you set up DVD Decrypter, especially the stream processing. The docs are a little sparse LOL. I'd like to compare Decrypter to Shrink.

In DVD Decrypter, I choose:

Tools > Settings >
Remove Macrovision
IFO Mode > Options > File Splitting - none
CSS - pick whatever you like...

Mode Menu > IFO
Insert a disk if one isn't already in
click the Stream Processing tab on the right
select the streams you want to get (The largest video and the AC3 Audio)
select your destination folder
go...

You will end up with a file that ends in .vob and you can rename it to wahetever you like with .mpg (or just leave it as vob).

I hope that helps. There are lots of tutorials for using DVD Decrypter, so you can look online or at dvdinfo.com for greater depth and options.

Not sure if it's been mentioned before but the US PS3 won't play a PAL DVD region protected or not. Just says, PAL video format not supported. But if you rip the title as a vob file, the PS3 plays it fine. The main downside to this is, you lose the upscaling features of the DVD player since they don't appear to be active when playing a video via XMB

The main downside to this is, you lose the upscaling features of the DVD player since they don't appear to be active when playing a video via XMB

What FW version are you running? Upscaling was added for video multiple versions back.

What FW version are you running? Upscaling was added for video multiple versions back.

2.53 I think. When I play a video from the XMB the only video options I get are three for noise reduction - no upscaling. Must check with a vob file when I get the chance

2.53 I think. When I play a video from the XMB the only video options I get are three for noise reduction - no upscaling. Must check with a vob file when I get the chance

Those are upscaling filter settings!! Check out your TV resolution when you play that file.

Streaming is the reliable way to copy large files to the PS3

That is a confusing statement.

Streaming is watching a video on one source while the file remains on the other source.

Copying is making a copy of the source to store locally. I have copied a 15GB file to my PS3 across my network and it plays back fine. (Super Bowl 43)

Oily streaks on disks played back on PS3

The last two BD disks that I played on my less than a year old PS3 I noticed some play back problem, disk skipped or stopped altogether. When I took the disk out of PS3, I noticed some oily streaks and patches on the shinny surface of the disk. After cleaning the disk played OK. Initially I thought the disk was dirty to begin with. Today I put in a brand new disk and it stopped playing towards the end, an error flashed "Disk can't be played" or something similar. Took the disk out and saw the same problem. Anybody out there had similar issue? This started happening about a week ago. If by accident the cleaning lady sprayed some household detergent (Lysol) inside through the disk opening that should have evaporated by now, isn't it? Or is there something wrong with the unit?

Those are upscaling filter settings!! Check out your TV resolution when you play that file.

OK got those. But when I play a DVD there are additional options such as upscale (normal, high?, double) and output settings). These don't appear with non DVD content.

OK got those. But when I play a DVD there are additional options such as upscale (normal, high?, double) and output settings). These don't appear with non DVD content.
The icon to the right of av settings for video is your screen mode (zoom, original, normal). (Choose original and you will see how much upscaling is going on.)

The upscaler runs at a mode most like "Normal" for videos. No way to shut it off. Turning it off would not make sense, because a lot of video content is less then 480 lines of resolution and the PS3 doesn't have any resolution modes less then 480 so it has to upscale to fill the screen.

The icon to the right of av settings for video is your screen mode (zoom, original, normal). (Choose original and you will see how much upscaling is going on.)

The upscaler runs at a mode most like "Normal" for videos. No way to shut it off. Turning it off would not make sense, because a lot of video content is less then 480 lines of resolution and the PS3 doesn't have any resolution modes less then 480 so it has to upscale to fill the screen.

OK - got it. I was puzzled because my PS3 is driving a 720p set and it set to output 1080i most of the time. When playing a DVD without scaling the resolution drops to 480p and it's quite obvious.

However when playing from the XMB it's always 1080i. So playing a vob file in original mode, while still having 1080i resolution, has the video image showing in a poster box (if that is the term).

Setting the video setting to normal, scales the image up to fill the screen and presumably has upscaling enabled

OK - got it.

Setting the video setting to normal, scales the image up to fill the screen and presumably has upscaling enabled

Not presumably, it is upscaled no reason to question it. That is the definition of upscaling. Taking a lower resolution image and displaying it at a higher resolution. And the 3 filter settings control the upscaling process.

OK - got it. I was puzzled because my PS3 is driving a 720p set and it set to output 1080i most of the time. When playing a DVD without scaling the resolution drops to 480p and it's quite obvious.

However when playing from the XMB it's always 1080i. So playing a vob file in original mode, while still having 1080i resolution, has the video image showing in a poster box (if that is the term).

Setting the video setting to normal, scales the image up to fill the screen and presumably has upscaling enabled

Any reason you don't output 720P to match the res of your set?

Last night I watched The Incredible Hulk on BR, and this one took a looooooooong time to load. I actually ejected it once to make sure the disc was clean. I thought something was wrong, but it eventually went to the menu screen.

Anyone else noticed this?

Any reason you don't output 720P to match the res of your set?

I was thinking the same thing

I was thinking the same thing

On some 720p display feeding it 1080i result in a sharper image. I know that is the case with my Z3 projector. On it, 720p look soft but 1080i is better looking.

On some 720p display feeding it 1080i result in a sharper image. I know that is the case with my Z3 projector. On it, 720p look soft but 1080i is better looking.

That is strange - but perhaps the scaling on your projector is better than that of the sources you are feeding it. Also is your projector native 720 or one of those that is close to 720 and hence has to do scaling anyway..

Either way nothing beats actually trying to see what works best. :)

I suddenly can't copy files from my video library to the PS3. I ripped a DVD with DVD Decrypter to 1 VOB file and it plays fine with VLC on my PC. The file is pretty big > 6 GB (on a NTFS USB drive) so I thought I'd copy it over to the PS3 and see how they looked. The copy failed and I got a "data corrupt" error. Tried a couple of other VOB files, same error. I rebooted and updated to 2.6, and trying the same file, get error 80030925. The movies that were already copied to the drive play fine, and I can copy audio files from the same NTFS library to the PS3. The actual file on the NTFS drive is 6.9 GB, "information" from the Play/copy menu on the PS3 says 2.1 GB. This is a "new" 40 GB PS3 that I upgraded to a 320 GB and its working perfectly. Am I running into some limitation I don't know about?
Turns out this is a TVersity issue; must have happened in one of the new releases. I did it via WMP and the file copied perfectly, although the PS3reports an incorrect file size and movie length.

That is strange - but perhaps the scaling on your projector is better than that of the sources you are feeding it. Also is your projector native 720 or one of those that is close to 720 and hence has to do scaling anyway..

Either way nothing beats actually trying to see what works best. :)

The Z3 is a 720p HT projector. What you are talking about happens on presentation/computer use non 16:9 projector. Those are 1024x768 or 1280x1024 projector and have to do magic to display 16x9 material.

On mine 1080i look sharper but YMMV.

Don't know if there are projectors like this, but a lot of 720p LCD TVs are actually of resolutions like 1366x768. I believe that's what Audiguy was referring to.

Don't know if there are projectors like this, but a lot of 720p LCD TVs are actually of resolutions like 1366x768. I believe that's what Audiguy was referring to.

Yep - could not remember the exact numbers but they were close to 720p but not native to it. Thanks

It would seem his Z3 is a not one.

On some 720p display feeding it 1080i result in a sharper image. I know that is the case with my Z3 projector. On it, 720p look soft but 1080i is better looking.

1080i also seems to look better than 720p on my TV which is why I do it. So while I have the PS3 set to output 1080i for XMB and BD, when I play a PS3 most of the time the PS3 switches to 720p, presumably the native res of the game. Seems to work fine for me. Of course ideally I would upgrade to a 1080P set but that is down the track a bit for me

If your PS3 is internet enabled, it was probably off trying to load some "live" features. Assure that your system settings are "confirm" and then tell it "no" when the disk asks to access the internet and see if it loads more quickly. If you have ever answered "yes" on any individual disk, the system settings are changed to "allow" and you aren't prompted again.

Your post did no answer my questino at all. If you read my post The AS720 turns off the audio when the tv gets turned off unless i use an optical/coaxil or rca input.

So if anyone can answer my original question that would be great!

CAn i set the PS3 to send Music over optical and movies over HDMI.

If you have a PSP and a decent wireless connection...you can use the PSP as a remote for playing music (Remote Play) from anywhere in the house with no need to turn on the TV....OR, you can do the music setup on the PS3 and just turn OFF the TV.

Your post did no answer my questino at all. If you read my post The AS720 turns off the audio when the tv gets turned off unless i use an optical/coaxil or rca input.

So if anyone can answer my original question that would be great!

CAn i set the PS3 to send Music over optical and movies over HDMI.

No. You set sound output for everything at once. Either all HDMI or all optical.

Don't know if there are projectors like this, but a lot of 720p LCD TVs are actually of resolutions like 1366x768. I believe that's what Audiguy was referring to.

The Z3 is a 1280x720p. Anyway it maybe just that my 43 year old ex arc welder eyes prefer the look of 1080i signal :D

The projector just seems to be doing a better job of scaling 1080 to 720p than the player itself.

You will end up with a file that ends in .vob and you can rename it to wahetever you like with .mpg (or just leave it as vob).

Do not do this if you are going ot leave a bunch of them on a drive somewhere. VOB files have a lot of padding to make the mpeg blocks land on sector boundaries on the disc. Run it through somethign like TMpgEnc's multiplexoe, just multiplexing back teh video and audio tracks from the VOB file(s) into an MPG file and you will lose those padding tracks and shrink your file down without losing anything.

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If your PS3 is internet enabled, it was probably off trying to load some "live" features. Assure that your system settings are "confirm" and then tell it "no" when the disk asks to access the internet and see if it loads more quickly. If you have ever answered "yes" on any individual disk, the system settings are changed to "allow" and you aren't prompted again.


I believe you are correct, I watched it again, and it did not happen.

Your post did no answer my questino at all. If you read my post The AS720 turns off the audio when the tv gets turned off unless i use an optical/coaxil or rca input..........



Sorry..totally misunderstood the intent of that sentence:"The only problem is if i want to play music from my ps3 through the AS720 I have to leave the tv on! "
This answer will also no answer your questino

hey guys I thought I should share this with the PS3 thread. I always felt that TrueHD sounded softer to me vs. DTS-MA/PCM, which I mistakenly took as sounding worse. I am not alone it that regard. I have added a standalone that is able to bitstream the lossless codecs to my Onkyo 805 to decode. Bitstreaming DTS-MA/PCM I didn't find any difference, but with TrueHD it was noticeably louder than the having having my PS3 decode. I noticed that when playing TrueHD tracks my AVR will apply dialnorm adjustments. So it made me wonder if the PS3 correctly applies dialnorm, so I PM'd Roger Dressler at Dolby to find out.

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Hey Roger your name kept popping up in the BD35 tread, you have said that the PS3 decodes TrueHD properly. I had the PS3 as my primary BD player and have added a BD35. Compared to PCM and DTS-MA, TrueHD always sounded softer on my PS3. Now that I'm able to bitstream while I don't hear a difference with DTS-MA or PCM but TrueHD seems to sound louder and fuller. Why is that? My thinking has to do with my THX receiver (Onkyo 805) rather than seeing PCM it knows what codec is coming in adjusts the dialnorm to volume match TrueHD with DTS-MA. Is this correct, does the PS3 not recoqnize the dialnorm flags? Thanks again. I loving lossless keep it coming.


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I think your theory is probably correct about the THX AVRs offsetting the dialnorm. The PS3 however does not do that (in other words it recognizes and properly applies dialnorm), so it plays TrueHD back slightly lower, probably 4 dB lower.

Enjoy!
--Roger
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P.S. DTS-MA=TrueHD=PCM, it's all in the mix!

FYI:

Just picked up a PS3 for $325.00 shipped from Dell. Their sales price is $339.99 with free shipping. I had some additional discounts, but thats still a good deal.

FYI:

Just picked up a PS3 for $325.00 shipped from Dell. Their sales price is $339.99 with free shipping. I had some additional discounts, but thats still a good deal.

Hmm- Amazon had the PS3 "on sale" yesterday but i never clicked to see the price- and today the offer is 'gone' when all the other sales are still there.

FYI:

Just picked up a PS3 for $325.00 shipped from Dell. Their sales price is $339.99 with free shipping. I had some additional discounts, but thats still a good deal.FYI: The PS3 was and is a good deal at full retail price, so you got a great deal.

Makes me think an "official" price drop is coming. I was worried that I would get a email from dell about their website price being an error, but it shipped monday morning. One small thing that might sour the deal is that dell has to collect taxes on some states now. So the 339.99 is based on no taxes, but its free 3-5 day shipping. So its still a deal.

Hmm- Amazon had the PS3 "on sale" yesterday but i never clicked to see the price- and today the offer is 'gone' when all the other sales are still there.

It was 349 but they ran out of stock within 4-6 hours.

If Dell and Amazon are discounting it, it means a price drop is coming soon. It happens every time with all consoles.

hey guys I thought I should share this with the PS3 thread. I always felt that TrueHD sounded softer to me vs. DTS-MA/PCM, which I mistakenly took as sounding worse. I am not alone it that regard. I have added a standalone that is able to bitstream the lossless codecs to my Onkyo 805 to decode. Bitstreaming DTS-MA/PCM I didn't find any difference, but with TrueHD it was noticeably louder than the having having my PS3 decode. I noticed that when playing TrueHD tracks my AVR will apply dialnorm adjustments. So it made me wonder if the PS3 correctly applies dialnorm, so I PM'd Roger Dressler at Dolby to find out.

nismo604
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Hey Roger your name kept popping up in the BD35 tread, you have said that the PS3 decodes TrueHD properly. I had the PS3 as my primary BD player and have added a BD35. Compared to PCM and DTS-MA, TrueHD always sounded softer on my PS3. Now that I'm able to bitstream while I don't hear a difference with DTS-MA or PCM but TrueHD seems to sound louder and fuller. Why is that? My thinking has to do with my THX receiver (Onkyo 805) rather than seeing PCM it knows what codec is coming in adjusts the dialnorm to volume match TrueHD with DTS-MA. Is this correct, does the PS3 not recoqnize the dialnorm flags? Thanks again. I loving lossless keep it coming.


and his reply was

Roger Dressler
AVS Special Member


Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Oregon
Posts: 1,315 Re: PS3 and dialnorm

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I think your theory is probably correct about the THX AVRs offsetting the dialnorm. The PS3 however does not do that (in other words it recognizes and properly applies dialnorm), so it plays TrueHD back slightly lower, probably 4 dB lower.

Enjoy!
--Roger
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P.S. DTS-MA=TrueHD=PCM, it's all in the mix!

Have you tried turning up the volume 4dB when playing TrueHD movies with the PS3? Does it sound any different than the original volume setting with the BD35 playing the same movie bitstreamed? I would try it myself but my receiver doesn't have HDMI :eek:. Scary. I know.

Have you tried turning up the volume 4dB when playing TrueHD movies with the PS3? Does it sound any different than the original volume setting with the BD35 playing the same movie bitstreamed? I would try it myself but my receiver doesn't have HDMI :eek:. Scary. I know.

No yet, but I am curious if this is the same with non-THX AVR's as well. THX AVR's will attenuate DTS source -4db to level with Dolby as DTS tracks are mixed 4db higher than Dolby.

hey guys I thought I should share this with the PS3 thread. I always felt that TrueHD sounded softer to me vs. DTS-MA/PCM, which I mistakenly took as sounding worse. I am not alone it that regard. I have added a standalone that is able to bitstream the lossless codecs to my Onkyo 805 to decode. Bitstreaming DTS-MA/PCM I didn't find any difference, but with TrueHD it was noticeably louder than the having having my PS3 decode. I noticed that when playing TrueHD tracks my AVR will apply dialnorm adjustments. So it made me wonder if the PS3 correctly applies dialnorm, so I PM'd Roger Dressler at Dolby to find out.

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Did you disable the Dynamic range compression on the PS3? If you leave it on Auto, it will reduce the level of a lot of TRUEHD tracks due to the flags the studio encoded the track with.

I have confirmed this on 3 seperate 750s. The bug probably exists with other input devices but I tested it with a PS3.

If you view the PS3 main screen at night, the background will be black. If you go into the 750 menu >picture>picture options>hdmi black level and change it from normal to "low", you will notice that the black background just got blacker. Ok now leave it that way, play a game, watch a movie, etc.. and go back to the PS3 main screen and now you'll find that the black background is more like a dark gray now. At this point if you go into the tv menu and check the hdmi black level it will still say "low" but it's actually the normal setting. Just cycle from low to normal and back to low and you will see that actually it did change.

So to clarify, the setting selected will state "low" but the actual result will be "normal". Make sense?

It may take some time for it to revert back to normal as described above but be patient, it will happen. For me, sometimes it happens after watching one movie and other times it doesn't happen till the next day. But it always happens.

I have not been able to pinpoint any specific causes for this phenomenon

I have seen this on the 860 as well. Any remedy to this? PS3 HDMI handshake issue with Samsung?

Any comments from the PS3 gurus?

I have both the ps3 and the panasonic 30. it does sound louder at a lower volume on the panasonic 30 then the ps3 with using the trueHD.

Jacob

Did you disable the Dynamic range compression on the PS3? If you leave it on Auto, it will reduce the level of a lot of TRUEHD tracks due to the flags the studio encoded the track with.

Of course, I never leave that on, on a side note my Onkyo receiver defaults the DRC to auto after it's been switched off, so for titles like Ironman I have make sure to turn that off everytime.

forgive me for not reading through 823 pages to see if this has been answered, i did however use search twice and came up with nothing, so:

I just bought a sony str-dg1200 with 7.1 surround to go with my ps3.. my question is what's the BEST possible setting to use? Linear PCM??

thanks in advance

Yes, set the PS3 to PCM so it decodes everything. Make sure you check the bass levels with the PS3 doing the decoding (using a setup disc) so you have the correct LFE level. SOmetimes you have to enable/disable the +10 in the receiver.

Yes, set the PS3 to PCM so it decodes everything. Make sure you check the bass levels with the PS3 doing the decoding (using a setup disc) so you have the correct LFE level. SOmetimes you have to enable/disable the +10 in the receiver.

So which one do you think it is:confused:, is it not the auto-cal that sets it initially?

Yes, set the PS3 to PCM so it decodes everything. Make sure you check the bass levels with the PS3 doing the decoding (using a setup disc) so you have the correct LFE level. SOmetimes you have to enable/disable the +10 in the receiver.

LFE level?? what is the bass to loud sometimes? i plan on using the speaker calibrater (microphone) that comes with the stereo, i think one is coming with it anyway... would this be sufficient? is one of these setup cd's going to come with it you think? if not what's the name of one i can look for online?

So which one do you think it is:confused:, is it not the auto-cal that sets it initially?

if you're using Audyssey you need to tweak the output of your sub (turn the volume/output knob ON the sub either up or down) to get it within an Audyssey level of +/- 3 and then do a complete set of readings.

OK, so Dumb & Dumber BD comes from netflix.
Inserted into PS3, and the BD did not show under movies.
Ejected and reinserted... nothing.
Then the BD remote wont even get it to eject, so i shut off the PS3 from the front button.
Green light keeps flashing for over a minute... machine can't shut down.
So I shut it off from the rear switch and turn it back on.
Now I can't get the PS3 to come on by any means.
So i just left it alone for an hour or so.
Come back and turn it on only by the front button.
Immediately eject by the BD remote.
Checked w/ DVD, fine. Checked w/ different BD, fine.

Good thing i had the x360 w/ netflix as a backup... the kids woulda killed me if they couldn't watch it tonight.

Any ideas?
I'm just gonna guess its this particular BD?
1st issue i've had... Hmmmmm.

OK, so Dumb & Dumber BD comes from netflix.
Inserted into PS3, and the BD did not show under movies.
Ejected and reinserted... nothing.
Then the BD remote wont even get it to eject, so i shut off the PS3 from the front button.
Green light keeps flashing for over a minute... machine can't shut down.
So I shut it off from the rear switch and turn it back on.
Now I can't get the PS3 to come on by any means.
So i just left it alone for an hour or so.
Come back and turn it on only by the front button.
Immediately eject by the BD remote.
Checked w/ DVD, fine. Checked w/ different BD, fine.

Good thing i had the x360 w/ netflix as a backup... the kids woulda killed me if they couldn't watch it tonight.

Any ideas?
I'm just gonna guess its this particular BD?
1st issue i've had... Hmmmmm.

Perhaps Dumb and Dumber is more suited for the Xbox?

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D

LFE level?? what is the bass to loud sometimes? i plan on using the speaker calibrater (microphone) that comes with the stereo, i think one is coming with it anyway... would this be sufficient? is one of these setup cd's going to come with it you think? if not what's the name of one i can look for online?


You need to run a setup DVD through the player itself to actually check. By playing something through the player, you get to see how it is handled by the player, and whether you need to boost the LFE level more.

Don't really know the best way to describe it. But any help would be great.

When a play Blu rays on my PS3 they have a slight greenish tint that shows up on the left edge of the screen. Sometimes on a dark screen, the effect is there, but just shows as a lightening of the image.

It also softens the left edge of the screen a bit.

This is the left edge of the screen, not of objects on the screen as I have heard others are having problems with. This is something that I haven't found anywhere on the web yet.

I have had my screen replaced, have tried bypassing my receiver and have tried several different HDMI cables from different companies.

Thanks a lot for any help.

Don't really know the best way to describe it. But any help would be great.

When a play Blu rays on my PS3 they have a slight greenish tint that shows up on the left edge of the screen. Sometimes on a dark screen, the effect is there, but just shows as a lightening of the image.

It also softens the left edge of the screen a bit.

This is the left edge of the screen, not of objects on the screen as I have heard others are having problems with. This is something that I haven't found anywhere on the web yet.

I have had my screen replaced, have tried bypassing my receiver and have tried several different HDMI cables from different companies.

Thanks a lot for any help.

Not sure what your problem may be but in situations like this you might want to list your model number and brand of the equipment you are using.

Will do.

Panamax M5300-EX
Sony Playstation 3 80GB
Harman Kardon AVR-254
Sharp LC37D64U

Since I've gotten the same results while bypassing the receiver, I guess that one is ruled out.

I suppose I'll have to call Sony and try to get a service replacement/ repair, but any insight would be appreciated.

Cheers.

Will do.

Panamax M5300-EX
Sony Playstation 3 80GB
Harman Kardon AVR-254
Sharp LC37D64U

Since I've gotten the same results while bypassing the receiver, I guess that one is ruled out.

I suppose I'll have to call Sony and try to get a service replacement/ repair, but any insight would be appreciated.

Cheers.

Do you have another source you could test it with? This almost sounds like a display problem.

I thought so too, so I had the display replaced. I also noticed, that when I change the view mode, the problems follows the left edge of the source picture.

But yes, I have tested other sources. I have tried HD cable, XBOX 360 and Wii and have not seen the problem with any of them.

So most of you guys prefer storing files externally and either streaming them or hooking up an External HD via the USB port? Over putting a 500gb HD on the ps3 and storing them there for playback? Will the ps3 upconvert SD-DVD files however they are being played through it?

Pissed I missed out on the External HD clearance that Office Depot and Staples were running last month

So most of you guys prefer storing files externally and either streaming them or hooking up an External HD via the USB port? Over putting a 500gb HD on the ps3 and storing them there for playback? Will the ps3 upconvert SD-DVD files however they are being played through it?

Pissed I missed out on the External HD clearance that Office Depot and Staples were running last month

With a recent firmware I believe so. External HD are great but streaming is better since you are not limited in file size due to the fat32 limitation on external drive with the PS3. You can use those external drive on your PC tough and stream from them and if you ever run out of usb port on your PC you can always buy a couple of usb 2.0 hub and plug some more :D. Seriously i'm planning to go the disk tower route soon because i'm a bit fed up with the wired mess under my desk. A cheap PC with a couple of SATA port multiplier and a beefier power supply should do the trick.

Have you noticed that you can play multiple videos at once now? Wouldn't this lessen the need to be able to stream?

So most of you guys prefer storing files externally and either streaming them or hooking up an External HD via the USB port? Over putting a 500gb HD on the ps3 and storing them there for playback? Will the ps3 upconvert SD-DVD files however they are being played through it?

I've had my PS3 for about a week and I've already installed a 500gb drive and loaded a lot of movies and mp3 on to it. I prefer playing off an internal hdd rather than streaming for the convenience of having all your movies ready to go without having to set up my laptop. Fast forward and rewind work a lot better too.

Ok, PS3 Gurus. I'm having issues.

Just got a used PS3, no controller. Got a controller. Got a couple new Blu-Rays.

Load them in...nothing happens. The PS3 won't recognize anything I put in it. Tried regular DVD's too. Nada.

It did recognize a music CD I put in, but now it won't do that either.

I tried restoring the firmware, reseting everything, etc.

Any ideas? Am I screwed?

Ok, PS3 Gurus. I'm having issues.

Just got a used PS3, no controller. Got a controller. Got a couple new Blu-Rays.

Load them in...nothing happens. The PS3 won't recognize anything I put in it. Tried regular DVD's too. Nada.

It did recognize a music CD I put in, but now it won't do that either.

I tried restoring the firmware, reseting everything, etc.

Any ideas? Am I screwed?

Sounds like. If the PS3 boots, displays the XMB, can can access its own hard drive, can update its firmware, connect to the PS Store, and generally do everything it's supposed to do... except for recognizing an inserted disc, then it looks like a drive failure. Coincidence or deliberate fraud? You'd know better than I. Same with what can do about it.

If the unit is out of warranty I believe the flat fee for repair is $150.

Ok, PS3 Gurus. I'm having issues.

Just got a used PS3, no controller. Got a controller. Got a couple new Blu-Rays.

Load them in...nothing happens. The PS3 won't recognize anything I put in it. Tried regular DVD's too. Nada.

It did recognize a music CD I put in, but now it won't do that either.

I tried restoring the firmware, reseting everything, etc.

Any ideas? Am I screwed?

Try reformatting your hard drive. I had a similar issue and that cleared it up. It takes several hours and will do the firmware updates afterwords.

Ok, PS3 Gurus. I'm having issues.

Just got a used PS3, no controller. Got a controller. Got a couple new Blu-Rays.

Load them in...nothing happens. The PS3 won't recognize anything I put in it. Tried regular DVD's too. Nada.

It did recognize a music CD I put in, but now it won't do that either.

I tried restoring the firmware, reseting everything, etc.

Any ideas? Am I screwed?

You bought a used PS3 without testing it out?

If it was eBay, demand a refund. If you paid via Paypal, file a complaint.

Sigh. Thanks gang.

I'll try reformatting. I did a quick reformat, but not the full hardcore one. Worth a shot.

Sigh. Thanks gang.

I'll try reformatting. I did a quick reformat, but not the full hardcore one. Worth a shot.

Did you try any game discs?

Am I screwed?

Sounds like it would make a good door stop :mad:

Have you noticed that you can play multiple videos at once now? Wouldn't this lessen the need to be able to stream?


No I haven't. How are you playing multiple videos at once?

No I haven't. How are you playing multiple videos at once?

I think he means the sequential playback feature.

Interesting issue I've come across with two different Blu-ray movies in the last few days. Both times when the movie gets around 1:10 mins the sound stops and the disc looks like its moving at a slower rate than normal. I've tried to jump to different chapter and the discs continue with the same problem.

The problem happened with a review copy of "W" and a copy of "The Secret Life of Bees."

I thought maybe the remote batteries could be the problem, causing some type of false signal to the player. Changed those and it still happened.

ANY IDEAS OUT THERE?????

Interesting issue I've come across with two different Blu-ray movies in the last few days. Both times when the movie gets around 1:10 mins the sound stops and the disc looks like its moving at a slower rate than normal. I've tried to jump to different chapter and the discs continue with the same problem.

The problem happened with a review copy of "W" and a copy of "The Secret Life of Bees."

I thought maybe the remote batteries could be the problem, causing some type of false signal to the player. Changed those and it still happened.

ANY IDEAS OUT THERE?????
If it happens on discs that used to play correctly then the odds are your optical drive is failing. Call Sony tech support for service.
--Bob

.. you are not limited in file size due to the fat32 limitation on external drive with the PS3. ...

If there is one update I would love to see in the PS3 firmware, if it's possible (either technically or legally) is for the PS3 to be able to read NTFS drives. Then I would store all my movies on a drive(s) and watch them from that. The 4G limitation is just a huge pain and streaming (especially over wireless) is hit or miss.

If there is one update I would love to see in the PS3 firmware, if it's possible (either technically or legally) is for the PS3 to be able to read NTFS drives. Then I would store all my movies on a drive(s) and watch them from that. The 4G limitation is just a huge pain and streaming (especially over wireless) is hit or miss.

Prolly won't happen.

Put a larger HD in your PS3 and use a streaming solution that allows you to copy files as well. I just copy stuff over my network directly to the PS3's internal.

Using Medialink on a Mac.

Prolly won't happen.

Put a larger HD in your PS3 and use a streaming solution that allows you to copy files as well. I just copy stuff over my network directly to the PS3's internal.

Using Medialink on a Mac.

Why copy if you can stream?

Just equip your PC with a bigger or many bigger disk and stream away without replacing the drive in your PS3.

If you do want to replace the disk in the PS3 keep in mind that the 7200rpm drive generate more heat than the 5400 rpm and 4200rpm drive. HDD speed isn't that important for the PS3 and you'll find the slower drive for less mullah too.

Why copy if you can stream?

Just equip your PC with a bigger or many bigger disk and stream away without replacing the drive in your PS3.

If you do want to replace the disk in the PS3 keep in mind that the 7200rpm drive generate more heat than the 5400 rpm and 4200rpm drive. HDD speed isn't that important for the PS3 and you'll find the slower drive for less mullah too.

For me the issue is my PS3 is not located in an area where I can easily run an ethernet cable, so I'm stuck with WiFi. As I convert a lot of HD mkv files to VOB's --- streaming sometimes stutters, etc. Its just as easy for me to fire up a batch copy overnight and then have a library of films on the internal HD.

Why copy if you can stream?



I haven't been able to figure out how to do it :confused:

I tried ripping the DVD to the hard drive via an ISO file with decrypter (from instructions I saw here? earlier), but kept getting an error that there wasn't enough space left. Ripping it normally (to back up with a DVD) works like a charm. Not sure what I was doing wrong, but didn't have enough time to figure it out.

For me the issue is my PS3 is not located in an area where I can easily run an ethernet cable, so I'm stuck with WiFi. As I convert a lot of HD mkv files to VOB's --- streaming sometimes stutters, etc. Its just as easy for me to fire up a batch copy overnight and then have a library of films on the internal HD.

I am only starting to use the PS3. I had an mkv file and used a simple program that "de-muxed" it (or something like that) with no re-encoding, and the PS3 played it fine. (It would stream it, but I decided to copy it for showing to ensure smooth playback.) I can lookup the program if you want. It may be a better idea than converting to a VOB, I don't know.

On another topic, the PS3 is my son's and i've "borrowed" it for my home theater. It works great, I don't know that I need to get a stand-alone player. It does bit-stream via HDMI all the audio codecs, right? Is there a benefit to a similarly priced stand-alone? I like the media sharing capabilities of the PS3. I don't need the netflix, pandora streaming as i can get that from my HTPC and Vudu.

It does bit-stream via HDMI all the audio codecs, right? Is there a benefit to a similarly priced stand-alone?

No, it only bitstreams lossy codecs. You must use LPCM for HD multichannel audio. But if your receiver can decode HD audio, then it should be able to process multichannel LPCM as well, so there's no difference.

A standalone would have an IR remote and a more conventional form factor. But not offer any benefits in AV quality unless you require analog multichannel outputs to get HD audio.

I haven't been able to figure out how to do it :confused:

I tried ripping the DVD to the hard drive via an ISO file with decrypter (from instructions I saw here? earlier), but kept getting an error that there wasn't enough space left. Ripping it normally (to back up with a DVD) works like a charm. Not sure what I was doing wrong, but didn't have enough time to figure it out.

You can use DVD Shrink to create an iso (just set it to no compression). You can also save it in a directory as a single vob file. You just rename that file to .mpg and you are good to go.

As for streaming, just google "ps3 media streaming" and you'll get quite a few good tutorial on it from windows media player 11 to TVersity.

Prolly won't happen.

Put a larger HD in your PS3 and use a streaming solution that allows you to copy files as well. I just copy stuff over my network directly to the PS3's internal.

Using Medialink on a Mac.

I ran tversity for a while and it sort of worked but streaming over 802.11g was just a bit flaky. Hence my (probably forlorn) hope that one day the PS3 will support NTFS drives. I also don't want to put another drive in the PS3 since it means duplicating content on my network.

No, it only bitstreams lossy codecs. You must use LPCM for HD multichannel audio. But if your receiver can decode HD audio, then it should be able to process multichannel LPCM as well, so there's no difference.

A standalone would have an IR remote and a more conventional form factor. But not offer any benefits in AV quality unless you require analog multichannel outputs to get HD audio.

I spent a lot of time getting the PS3 as a media server. But in the end decided that a standalone player was better and picked up a Popcorn Hour. It has several advantages over the PS3 (not that the PS3 wasn't good)

- very quiet since it has no fan (and lower power consumption
- can play much more media types including MKV and also ts files with DTS audio (the PS3 can't play DTS media files via the XMB) [this is important to me as I am backing up my HD-DVD collection to a server since I have no idea how long my Toshiba drive is going to last :-) ] and need a player to play them
- can plug in external NTFS formatted drives
- PQ is probably the same from the same content (as far as I can tell) except the PS3 does have some upscaling features in nois reduction etc. that the Popcorn doesn't

I am only starting to use the PS3. I had an mkv file and used a simple program that "de-muxed" it (or something like that) with no re-encoding, and the PS3 played it fine. (It would stream it, but I decided to copy it for showing to ensure smooth playback.) I can lookup the program if you want. It may be a better idea than converting to a VOB, I don't know.

On another topic, the PS3 is my son's and i've "borrowed" it for my home theater. It works great, I don't know that I need to get a stand-alone player. It does bit-stream via HDMI all the audio codecs, right? Is there a benefit to a similarly priced stand-alone? I like the media sharing capabilities of the PS3. I don't need the netflix, pandora streaming as i can get that from my HTPC and Vudu.

Getting slightly OT here but since we are talking about the PS3 as a media player to play MKV content you have to demux it and put it in a container the PS3 understands.

There is a freeware program out there called mkv2vob which does just that and involves no re-encoding. Also since many of the MKV's out there are just h.264 video and AC3 audio, you can also demux the two tracks using mkvextract and mux them back into a ts container using tsmuxer and this is also playable on the PS3

This is an oft discussed topic but the PS3 cannot bitstream the HD audio codecs on a BD disc. It has to decode them and output them as multichannel PCM over HDMI. Now if you somehow manage to get non BD content that has HD audio in it, I don't think you will get audio on the PS3 since it's not clear that the XMB can play that sort of content. Still others feel free to correct me if that is not the case

I am only starting to use the PS3. I had an mkv file and used a simple program that "de-muxed" it (or something like that) with no re-encoding, and the PS3 played it fine. (It would stream it, but I decided to copy it for showing to ensure smooth playback.) I can lookup the program if you want. It may be a better idea than converting to a VOB, I don't know.

On another topic, the PS3 is my son's and i've "borrowed" it for my home theater. It works great, I don't know that I need to get a stand-alone player. It does bit-stream via HDMI all the audio codecs, right? Is there a benefit to a similarly priced stand-alone? I like the media sharing capabilities of the PS3. I don't need the netflix, pandora streaming as i can get that from my HTPC and Vudu.

That's all I'm doing. MKV2VOB, it doesn't convert the video. I just choose vob as an extension .... a .ts file is just as good. Doesn't matter either way.

The other day I was watching a blu-ray. I hit the "Information" button to see the sound codec and it showed "LPCM". I thought that was unusual since LPCM is the method of transfer. Earlier it used to show "Dolby True HD" etc.

Is there any explanation what the difference is?

The other day I was watching a blu-ray. I hit the "Information" button to see the sound codec and it showed "LPCM". I thought that was unusual since LPCM is the method of transfer. Earlier it used to show "Dolby True HD" etc.

Is there any explanation what the difference is?

What disc was it? Some Blu-rays have already-uncompressed LCM audio as the lossless option, rather than TrueHD or DTS-MA.

That's all I'm doing. MKV2VOB, it doesn't convert the video. I just choose vob as an extension .... a .ts file is just as good. Doesn't matter either way.

It doesn't convert the video unless your .mkv includes some .ass subtitles. Then you have to extract and convert those to .srt but then when muxing them back it has to rencode the video (fast recompress).

PS3 Media Server Just did a update for those interested.

http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/downloads/list

PS3 Media Server Just did a update for those interested.

http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/downloads/list

Are you sure that LINK is GOOD?

UPDATE - it is working now - would not work before.

PS3 Media Server Just did a update for those interested.

http://code.google.com/p/ps3mediaserver/downloads/list

What does/will this software 'do'?

What does/will this software 'do'?
My guess is that ps3mediaserver will serve media to a PS3. Most likely an alternative to apps like TVersity or WMP's media sharing. But that's just a hunch. ;)

"To Serve Media". *Gasp!* It's a cookbook!

:D
--Bob

"To Serve Media". *Gasp!* It's a cookbook!

:D
--Bob

...simply one of the best episodes from one of the best shows

My guess is that ps3mediaserver will serve media to a PS3. Most likely an alternative to apps like TVersity or WMP's media sharing. But that's just a hunch. ;)

Exactly - and it is better than TVersity as it does not require you to deactivate your UAC on Vista

New changes:
Here's the changelog:

- Changes / Features

. New option to enable video copy on ps3
. RAW images thumbnail support: CR2/CRW/PEF/NEF/ORF/SRF/MRW/DNG/ARW/RAF
. New extensions supported: SHN/M2V/M2P
. tsMuxer engine can now mux or reencode in AC3/PCM all audio tracks in real time
. Add the experimental mencoder build for multicore on OSX
. DVR-MS remuxer now included by default in Windows package
. New translations: Spanish (thanks to Jose from playstationhoy.com), Dutch (thanks to Vincent Meylof), German (thanks to Jeuki), Russian (thanks to Peter Klassen), Polish (thanks to Maciej Bocian), Greek (thanks to Alexander Polichroniadis), Portuguese (thanks to Hugo Sousa), Finnish (thanks to Ove Sentlig), Norwegian (thanks to Ball80 and Topguy), Swedish (thanks to Dusan Ilic) and Japanese (thanks to Yu)

- Fixes

. tsMuxer's AC3/LPCM encode/muxing + Mencoder's LPCM remuxing now working on Linux
. Fixed LPCM seeking issue
. Fixed regression with PicasaWeb images feed
. Changes in subtitles loading / Fonts support (Default/ASS/Embedded Fonts)
. Fixed channels order with tsMuxer engine's DTS->AC3 option
. Transcode buffer wasn't fully released after end of video
. Fixed bug with shared folders selection on Windows
. Fixed periodic alive messages sent to ps3
. Better dvr-ms media info retrieval
. Updated ffmpeg/mplayer/mencoder/mt builds on Windows and OSX (slight H264 speedup for singlecore)
. Buffer issues with transcoded audio files lasting more than 10 minutes
. Fixed RSS parsing with some feeds

I know they are working on getting audio streaming to work - which means internet radio finally on my home system

It doesn't stream audio at all?

It doesn't stream audio at all?

Of course it does. Pretty much all types.

What disc was it? Some Blu-rays have already-uncompressed LCM audio as the lossless option, rather than TrueHD or DTS-MA.

I think it was "Lost". Will confirm tonight.

I was not able to stream lossless WMA to my PS3. It seems it is a limitation. Can anyone confirm please?

Today, my PS3 got sent off to Laredo, TX for repair. The Bluray player died. I've not heard any reports regarding how long they take to turn these around. I hope it's fairly fast but it doesn't really matter to me any longer. I bought a stand-alone Bluray disk player.

I've not heard any reports regarding how long they take to turn these around.Mine took 2 weeks from call to return, and that was over New Year's...

Today, my PS3 got sent off to Laredo, TX for repair. The Bluray player died. I've not heard any reports regarding how long they take to turn these around. I hope it's fairly fast but it doesn't really matter to me any longer. I bought a stand-alone Bluray disk player.

My experience, back last year, was pretty quick. About 8 days total. They replaced the drive so my original unit came back, not a refurb.

Came back with new plastic film wrap, not a scratch on the case. Nice job.

Joe

I'm sure you all know this, you can play a BluRay structure from a USB device on a PS3. The benefits of this over streaming are that you get VC-1 video, HD audio and subtitle support. AVCHDMe (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143631)

You use TSmuxer to select the streams you want to keep and create the Blu-ray structure and split the files into 4GB chunks so it plays from FAT32.

AVCHDMe (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=143631) renames them in accordance with 8.3/FAT32 conventions.

That's a nice trick. Just make sure you format your USB device FAT32 of course

I noticed that my receiver reads PCM while it should be reading DTS HD or TRUE HD while watching blu ray movies through my ps3. Is there something you need to do? let me know, thanks

Read the first page of this link. All you want to know about your PS3.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=931796

Why doesn't the Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD-Master Audio light on my AVR come on when I'm playing BDs with these lossless audio formats?
Because the PS3 is doing the decoding itself of these advanced audio formats, the AVR is always receiving multichannel Linear Pulse Code Modulation (LPCM) from the PS3 when playing such BDs (when connected via HDMI). The AVR may have an indicator showing that the input is PCM, LPCM, MLPCM, or something similar. The AVR would only activate the Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD-MA light if it were doing the decoding. It would only be doing this if the source device were outputting these advanced audio formats as a bitstream and the PS3 is not capable of doing this. The end result in sound quality is in most cases essentially the same (depending on the specific capabilities of the AVR) whether the decoding is being done by the PS3 vs. having the AVR do the decoding.

Because the PS3 is doing the decoding itself of these advanced audio formats, the AVR is always receiving multichannel Linear Pulse Code Modulation (LPCM) from the PS3 when playing such BDs (when connected via HDMI). The AVR may have an indicator showing that the input is PCM, LPCM, MLPCM, or something similar. The AVR would only activate the Dolby TrueHD or DTS HD-MA light if it were doing the decoding. It would only be doing this if the source device were outputting these advanced audio formats as a bitstream and the PS3 is not capable of doing this. The end result in sound quality is in most cases essentially the same (depending on the specific capabilities of the AVR) whether the decoding is being done by the PS3 vs. having the AVR do the decoding.

Last night I saw under the system settings that there is a setting for enabling bitstream over HDMI and one for optical output. Has anyone seen this? What does this do if, as everyone says, the PS3 doesn't bitstream?

Doesn't bitstream the new codecs but it does the old ones, DD 5.1, DTS 5.1...

Yes and if you enable Bitstream, you will get only the DD5.1 Core or DTS5.1 Core of the DTS-HD MA oder Dolby TrueHD stream. You have to set it to PCM to get the full quality of DTS-HD MA and TrueHD.

Protheus

Given that the PS3 does not bitstream the latest codecs, does that mean that its hardware has finally reached its limits?

Given that the PS3 does not bitstream the latest codecs, does that mean that its hardware has finally reached its limits?

That's hardly a limitation given you have the functional equivalent with passing the HD audio codecs as MLPCM

The fact that much of the function of the PS3 is done in firmware through its 6(?) processors, the sky's probably the limit in terms of functionality enhancements.

For example in the UK they have released PlayTV - a full functioning PVR for PS3 that can tune into and record DVB-T broadcasts with a full egp and control is from a PSP. The various enhancements to the PS3 via firmwware such as the first player to offer BD Live 2.0, DTS-Master processing, improvements in DVD scaling all attest to the flexibility of the platform.

It may not be the only game in town for BD playback and certainly not the cheapest, but it's certainly the best bang for buck IMHO

Can someone help me?

I've searched and it's not getting anywhere.

Ok, here's what's going on. I find that even with dark games like Dead Space, my image looks great, but for some reason when I pop in a blu-ray, the image is much darker in comparison to PS3 games. As if the blacks are being crushed. I know my brother messed with my PS3 recently but I don't know what he may have done.

Can someone help me?There are several video settings under the "Settings" menu that apply only to movies and not to games...

There are several video settings under the "Settings" menu that apply only to movies and not to games...

That's what I'm wondering, where it should be set at. I have super white on, Full range RGB. I don't know what to tweak.

That's what I'm wondering, where it should be set at. I have super white on, Full range RGB. I don't know what to tweak.

DID YOU LOOK HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14491190&postcount=2)

That's what I'm wondering, where it should be set at. I have super white on, Full range RGB. I don't know what to tweak.
From the link posted above

So then under Settings >>> Display Settings, should I have RGB set to “Full” or “Limited”?
If your HDTV is calibrated (i.e., adjusted) for use as a video display (rather an a computer display) then “limited” is the correct setting. Most TVs can experience “black crush” when “Full” is selected because the colorspace is being re-mapped beyond what the TV is expecting. Start with it set at “Limited” and calibrate your TV accordingly. Use grey-scale test pattern images from a DVD or BD test disc (such as Digital Video Essentials or Avia) if necessary during calibration.

See this discussion for a more detailed discussion (for and against)

What about Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White? “On” or “Off”?

Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-white is used to pass Blacker-than-Black (BTB) and Peak Whiter-than-White (WTW) levels during video playback. Setting this to “On” should benefit your display as long as your TV accepts Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr input over HDMI. Again, try using a test pattern DVD/BD to calibrate your display after this is turned on. Note that some HDTVs will accept and display BTB and WTW while other HDTV’s will not display these ‘out of bounds’ video levels. Commercial BD discs (except test discs) should not be using BTB and WTW video levels and an ideally calibrated HDTV should correctly display all intended video information even it does not support BTB and WTW levels. However, support for BTB and WTW can be useful when using BD test discs for calibrating a HDTV display.

Not all displays are alike, so use common sense. If you notice a decrease in picture quality after changing any of the above settings either try recalibrating the TV or revert back to the previous setting

Given that the PS3 does not bitstream the latest codecs, does that mean that its hardware has finally reached its limits?

Whaaa? Bitstreaming is actually not preferred as you lose secondary audio functions.

Of course it does. Pretty much all types.

It won't copy any of my itunes although it sees them. Tversity did.

I have an issue, so I am glad this thread is available, perhaps someone could assist me.

I have a Sony Playstation 3 which is connected via HDMI to my Pioneer VSX-92TXH Receiver which is connected via HDMI to my Pioneer PRO-111FD TV.

For some reason my PS3 won't allow me to go into 1080P, the highest I can get it to go is 1080I.

My Pioneer Blu-Ray BDP-05FD player works perfectly in 1080P and has no issues, it is also connected via HDMI to the receiver.

Any ideas on why this could be and how I could remedy the situation?

From the link posted above

So then under Settings >>> Display Settings, should I have RGB set to “Full” or “Limited”?
If your HDTV is calibrated (i.e., adjusted) for use as a video display (rather an a computer display) then “limited” is the correct setting. Most TVs can experience “black crush” when “Full” is selected because the colorspace is being re-mapped beyond what the TV is expecting. Start with it set at “Limited” and calibrate your TV accordingly. Use grey-scale test pattern images from a DVD or BD test disc (such as Digital Video Essentials or Avia) if necessary during calibration.

See this discussion for a more detailed discussion (for and against)

What about Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White? “On” or “Off”?

Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-white is used to pass Blacker-than-Black (BTB) and Peak Whiter-than-White (WTW) levels during video playback. Setting this to “On” should benefit your display as long as your TV accepts Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr input over HDMI. Again, try using a test pattern DVD/BD to calibrate your display after this is turned on. Note that some HDTVs will accept and display BTB and WTW while other HDTV’s will not display these ‘out of bounds’ video levels. Commercial BD discs (except test discs) should not be using BTB and WTW video levels and an ideally calibrated HDTV should correctly display all intended video information even it does not support BTB and WTW levels. However, support for BTB and WTW can be useful when using BD test discs for calibrating a HDTV display.

Not all displays are alike, so use common sense. If you notice a decrease in picture quality after changing any of the above settings either try recalibrating the TV or revert back to the previous setting


Basically, don't use "Full" - use "Limited" for RGB in the settings.

I have an issue, so I am glad this thread is available, perhaps someone could assist me.

I have a Sony Playstation 3 which is connected via HDMI to my Pioneer VSX-92TXH Receiver which is connected via HDMI to my Pioneer PRO-111FD TV.

For some reason my PS3 won't allow me to go into 1080P, the highest I can get it to go is 1080I.

My Pioneer Blu-Ray BDP-05FD player works perfectly in 1080P and has no issues, it is also connected via HDMI to the receiver.

Any ideas on why this could be and how I could remedy the situation?

1080p on the XMB, or 1080p when you fire up a Blu-ray? If it's the latter, your display probably doesn't accept 1080p/24fps - so you'll have to disable that in the Video settings. If it's the former, no 1080p whatsoever out of the PS3, try hooking it up directly to the display, bypassing the receiver. If it still doesn't work, maybe your HDMI cable is bad, or doesn't have the bandwidth to pass the signal.

Given that the PS3 does not bitstream the latest codecs, does that mean that its hardware has finally reached its limits?

That's hardly a limitation given you have the functional equivalent with passing the HD audio codecs as MLPCM

The fact that much of the function of the PS3 is done in firmware through its 6(?) processors, the sky's probably the limit in terms of functionality enhancements.

For example in the UK they have released PlayTV - a full functioning PVR for PS3 that can tune into and record DVB-T broadcasts with a full egp and control is from a PSP. The various enhancements to the PS3 via firmwware such as the first player to offer BD Live 2.0, DTS-Master processing, improvements in DVD scaling all attest to the flexibility of the platform.

It may not be the only game in town for BD playback and certainly not the cheapest, but it's certainly the best bang for buck IMHO

Whaaa? Bitstreaming is actually not preferred as you lose secondary audio functions.

Thanks for the replies - I was looking for reassurance - I'm about to pick up a BD player, and have almost decided on a PS3, but wasn't sure whether the PS3's handling of these newer codecs was a showstopper or not.

Edmonite