IIt was a waste of space considering that there are many more HD channels coming in the next year or two. I don't want to have any question of available bandwidth for those channels.

And that's different to the current situation how? ;)

I, for one, hope that Time Warner doesn't cave in. I don't want to pay a higher cable bill just to get a channel that has nothing on it but the totally worthless game of football. Let the football nuts pay through the nose if they want the NFL Network, which, from the little I know, doesn't provide a helluva lot of worthwhile material (like, for example, football games) anyway.

And that's different to the current situation how? ;)

Now, it is NOT a waste of bandwidth on MY system. (It is gonzo!)

So, TWC is not "standing firm". They are looking for a way to gauge you and me even more than they do now. Stop falling for this crap.

They are standing firm in that they are only going to put the cost of the NFL network on to the customers that actually want it. I wish they would employ that policy for all of their channels. Again, I am not attributing altruistic motivations to TWC (far from it), but this is one (rare) case where I am happy with TWC being stubborn about something.

Can we not hijack this thread to talk about the NFL issue. There is already a thread dedicated to that subject, and quite frankly, anything that can be said has been said, over and over and over and over and over. :mad:

They are standing firm in that they are only going to put the cost of the NFL network on to the customers that actually want it.

Bingo. I think this channel is an astounding waste of bandwidth considering they only have about 24 hours of worthwhile programming per year, and want to set a record for carriage fees with that paltry lineup. If others think it's worthwhile, fine, sell it to them like D* does with Sunday ticket. And, as Stan mentioned above, I don't want to see any of my current HD channels removed to make room for it, either. Who knows when SDV, and all those additional HD channels they promise, will finally stumble into an STB near you? Probably not this year.

And, as Stan mentioned above, I don't want to see any of my current HD channels removed to make room for it, either.

If they want to take MyNetworkTV HD from my system for the NFL analog signal they can go right ahead. I don't watch the NFL Network but seeing HD bandwidth given to MYNTV is just a field goal kick in the face.

Can we not hijack this thread to talk about the NFL issue. There is already a thread dedicated to that subject, and quite frankly, anything that can be said has been said, over and over and over and over and over. :mad:

I agree. We all know the respective positions of TWC and the NFL. And, the opinions on this forum are in one camp or the other. Nuff said.

I agree. We all know the respective positions of TWC and the NFL. And, the opinions on this forum are in one camp or the other. Nuff said.
You'll never get them together, they're like two positively charged ions!

not only that but i think the NFL wants somewhere under $2 bucks per subscriber for nfl network. and then TWC want's to sell to us for $8.95.

what a profit they wanna make!

As I understood it, NFL wanted it's channel to NOT be a pay extra option. So the real question is "do other channels charge that kind for rate to be on the "regular" digital tier?"

Let's say the figure you quoted is actually accurate, in my metro area market they have at least 500,000 customers... that would be 12 MILLION a year to the NFL. Say TWC had 3 million total customers, that's 72 MILLION a year in revenue.

AND that is incremental income, keep in mind that the NFL had long been having camera crews cover ALL games. NFL Films is a very healthy business that makes tons of money for the league already.

Don't get me wrong, I think TWC is run by a bunch of money grubbing corporate fraks who sit around all day figuring how to extract as much money as they can from their customer base while keeping expenses to almost nothing; so is sure as hell IS true that if it wasn't the NFL putting it to us, it would have been TWC is some way or shape.

BTW, the Gold channel was Versus, which was OLN and was the only way I got my fill of skiing competition. As that sport doesn't command the numbers, it WOULD put me in a quandary if it became and pay extra channel as I'd have to pay the full weight for what is probably 10% of the content.

PS, Let us NOT forget that this is ONLY about out of market games... I'm certainly a football fan, but I have 2 local teams and I can watch all their games (which I assiduously do), so I'm not at all anxious to get the NFL network...

Any news about any upcoming channels?

In case anyone missed it, the new HD Showcase on Demand channel has HD repeats of AMC's Mad Men series. I personally like the show and it's even better in HD. The AMC channel is not yet broadcast in HD here, so it's a nice bonus. It's worth checking out if you have it available.

TTx

In case anyone missed it, the new HD Showcase on Demand channel has HD repeats of AMC's Mad Men series. I personally like the show and it's even better in HD. The AMC channel is not yet broadcast in HD here, so it's a nice bonus. It's worth checking out if you have it available.

TTx

bonus, thanks for the tip. ever since i saw this thread ... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=878831 ... i've been checking the regular HD on-demand channel and it doesn't have it in there. i didn't even know about this hd-showcase channel. i hope they show the whole series. Mad Men is a great show and it looks so much better in HD.

Changes occurring 8/30 in asutin...

* Add ESPN U to Channel 436 (Digital Basic)
* Add HD Titles in the Guide (TIG) to Channel 1700
* Add HD1 to HD10 to Channels 1701 to 1710
* Move analog backup channels for Digital simulcast channels from Channels 1702-1744 to Channels 1802 to 1844 (KTBC, KVUE, KXAN, KEYE, City Access, TY Guide Channel, KLRU, Public Access #1, Public Access #2, KNVA, Public Access #3, ACC Access, QVC, HSN, Lifetime, Oxygen, WE, SoapNet, E!, HGTV, Food, Travel Channel, Discovery, TLC, Animal Planet, ABC Family, ION, Hallmark, TVLand, NICK, Disney, Cartoon Network, News 8 RadarNOW)

OK time for a break from the NFLN debate.

I want to know what HD channels TWC is gonna add in the next month to counter what D* And E* are offering (extra HBO's and much more) . I also want to know for sure how many Center Ice HD games will be available.

If they don't deliver soon, I'm off to DBS.

Here is some promising news just posted in the local hawaii thread...

CNN HD Sept 1, TBS HD Oct1 & Dec Ocean sports channel. Just got off the phone with Oceanic.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=329826&page=116

i didn't even know about this hd-showcase channel. i hope they show the whole series. Mad Men is a great show and it looks so much better in HD.

I keep seeing ads for HD Showcase during the OnDemand menus.

Amusingly, in TWC tradition, it's not carried here. :rolleyes:

Here is some promising news just posted in the local hawaii thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=329826&page=116

Additions in Hawaii don't really mean anything in the larger picture. It's one of the TWC test beds like South Carolina. They get services the rest of the country may never see.

Isn't the NLCS on TBS this year? That'd be awesome if nobody outside of Atlanta got to see it in HD

Isn't the NLCS on TBS this year? That'd be awesome if nobody outside of Atlanta got to see it in HD

ok... lets get this clear...

Atlanta has WTBS-HD.... NOT TBS-HD

As soon as the TBS baseball backage starts... WTBS in atlanta will no longer simulcast TBS cable. They will be 2 100% separate channels.

Next season - WTBS will continue to show Braves games regularly... BUT NOT TBS.

TBS Superstation (cable) will be added in the Atlanta area as soon as the split happens (there was no need for it until now).

So... when the playoffs start.... WTBS will NOT be showing games....

ESPNU Scores Time Warner Distribution

Netork (sic) Gains 1 Million Homes in New York, New Jersey

By Kent Gibbons -- Multichannel News, 8/21/2007 10:30:00 AM

ESPNU will join Time Warner Cable’s digital basic roster in New York and New Jersey on Aug. 30, adding about 1 million customers as part of a corporate affiliate deal Time Warner and ESPN parent Walt Disney Co. reached in April.

It’s the biggest Time Warner Cable launch for the two and a half year old ESPN offshoot, and the rollout schedule also includes the operator’s similarly sized Los Angeles operation on Aug. 31, ESPN officials said at a press briefing here.

ESPNU expects to add about 10 million customers from Time Warner Cable overall, raising its total to about 20 million.

Major distributors still to be inked are led by Comcast and Cablevision Systems, Disney and ESPN Media Networks executive VP of affiliate sales and marketing David Preschlack said.

Other Time Warner systems coming or in the fold to date also include “very prime college sports markets” including Central Ohio, New England and Central Florida (through Bright House Networks, which is affiliated with Time Warner), Preschlack said.

The digital basic carriage was secured as part of the omnibus deal in April, which set ESPNU apart from such rivals as CBS-owned CSTV, which is carried on a sports tier. Barbara Kelly, senior VP and general manager of Time Warner Cable of New York and New Jersey, said there are always discussions about whether CSTV or other networks could migrate from the tier, but she also said the tier was priced attractively at $1.95.

ESPN said ESPNU has already launched in San Diego; Albany, N.Y.; North and South Carolina and in the Detroit area on Time Warner Cable.

The network launch in Ohio could help Time Warner in its public relations efforts there, a prime market for the soon-to-launch Big Ten Network. Time Warner and Comcast are the biggest cable distributors in Big Ten markets not to sign to carry the service, which has deals with DirecTV and several small operators.

Both MSOs want to offer the Big Ten Network -- co-owned by Fox Cable Networks and the Big Ten Conference -- on a sports tier, while the network is seeking basic cable distribution within the conference’s footprints of seven Midwestern states and Pennsylvania. The network is set to launch Aug. 30.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6470676.html

What does thiws have to do with HD programming?

ok... lets get this clear...

Atlanta has WTBS-HD.... NOT TBS-HD

As soon as the TBS baseball backage starts... WTBS in atlanta will no longer simulcast TBS cable. They will be 2 100% separate channels.

Next season - WTBS will continue to show Braves games regularly... BUT NOT TBS.

TBS Superstation (cable) will be added in the Atlanta area as soon as the split happens (there was no need for it until now).

So... when the playoffs start.... WTBS will NOT be showing games....
Ok, so the NLCS will be on TBS-cable but not WTBS? Will anyone even have TBS-HD in time for the NLCS?

Additions in Hawaii don't really mean anything in the larger picture. It's one of the TWC test beds like South Carolina. They get services the rest of the country may never see.


works for me, although since we don't get The Movie Channel-HD, Starz-HD, MHD, or A&E-HD, it looks like they are also testing out how people respond to not getting some of the channels that other areas get.

works for me, although since we don't get The Movie Channel-HD, Starz-HD, MHD, or A&E-HD, it looks like they are also testing out how people respond to not getting some of the channels that other areas get.
Heh, totally agree.

Ok, so the NLCS will be on TBS-cable but not WTBS? Will anyone even have TBS-HD in time for the NLCS?


Yes... plenty of people (obviously.... otherwise what's the point of launching)

DirecTV will.... as well as "some" TWC divisions....

Just added the Travel Channel-HD (Launching in Early 2008), to the "Negotiations Unknown For TWC" Section

I'll wait till 9/1 to see if CNN-HD was actually added in Hawaii before updating.

works for me, although since we don't get The Movie Channel-HD, Starz-HD, MHD, or A&E-HD, it looks like they are also testing out how people respond to not getting some of the channels that other areas get.

well on the upside, outside of MHD, Raleigh doesn't get those either, but at least you have other interactive toys to play with while you're waiting. And announcements showing some kind of progress.

And you really don't need MHD. Nobody does.

In an email I received today from TWC Corporate:

Time Warner Cable and Cisco present HD Clear & Simple
Overwhelmed by HD lingo?
Don't sweat it. Cisco and Time Warner Cable have joined forces to make HD Clear & Simple: the easiest way to find the HDTV that's right for you. Just visit http://www.twcinhd.com, answer three easy questions and get a detailed recommendation that you can print out and take right to the store. Plus there's an easy-to-understand HD glossary, details on Time Warner Cable's outstanding HD service, and a whole lot more.

In an email I received today from TWC Corporate:Now tell me: what statements do they make about COMMITMENTS TO MORE (A LOT MORE) HD CHANNELS ON ALL TW SYSTEMS in 2007?

None, I'll bet!

the easiest way to find the HDTV that's right for you. Just visit http://www.twcinhd.com, answer three easy questions and get a detailed recommendation.:D That’s a pretty amusing site. Answer three questions and get their opinion. It told me that I need a 71” Plasma.:rolleyes: Too bad it’s not a Genie and gives you your choice after the three questions.:p Now… I’m off to search for that 71” plasma.:D

Wow, TWC teaches HD customers about HD!
Wow!!!

:D That’s a pretty amusing site. Answer three questions and get their opinion. It told me that I need a 71” Plasma.:rolleyes: Too bad it’s not a Genie and gives you your choice after the three questions.:p Now… I’m off to search for that 71” plasma.:D

well, at least now that you've gone through their survey you know it's going to cost you over $3000. ;)

i got the same result...why didn't it recommend a front projector? that's what i have, and it's a lot more affordable than a 71" plasma. it also goes on the wall.

why didn't it recommend a front projector? .I know. :rolleyes:
A projector would be the logical choice; especially since 71 inch plasmas are not the norm.

Can you imagine, the average non-savvy HD consumer (their marketing target) printing out this information (on a 71” plasma) and waltzing into a B&M expecting to walk out with one…and for three grand???:p:rolleyes::D

I know. :rolleyes:
A projector would be the logical choice; especially since 71 inch plasmas are not the norm.

Can you imagine, the average non-savvy HD consumer (their marketing target) printing out this information (on a 71” plasma) and waltzing into a B&M expecting to walk out with one…and for three grand???:p:rolleyes::D

I think it's embaressing that they are even advertising this web site. It looks like something a 7th grader made for his Intro to the Internet class.

Maybe Melinda Witmer should go to the site to learn about HD. She might even go buy an HDTV. Maybe.

84" plasma for 3k for me!

Plasma for me also. Hmmmm?

I feel so much better now about having TWC as my HD provider

:D That’s a pretty amusing site. Answer three questions and get their opinion. It told me that I need a 71” Plasma.:rolleyes: Too bad it’s not a Genie and gives you your choice after the three questions.:p Now… I’m off to search for that 71” plasma.:D

WoW
I need a 72" HDTV
LoL

I need a IMAX.

I only need a 65" plasma! But my monkey doesn't sit on the couch!! I think IMAX is the solution.

Wow, TWC teaches HD customers about HD!
Wow!!!

In Soviet Russia...

TWC in Staten Island adds Food Network HD and HGTV HD.

http://cable360.net/technology/news/25393.html

TWC in Staten Island adds Food Network HD and HGTV HD.

http://cable360.net/technology/news/25393.html:eek:
There are five boroughs in our great city and 4 of them are getting dissed.

Fox News-HD has been added to the "Negotiations Unknown For TWC" section.

Food Network-HD & HGTV-HD has been added to the "Known Deals Done For TWC" section.



http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=652328

Haha. Lucky Me. Even though I'll never watch those two channels! I hope they get CNN HD when it launches within 2 weeks.

TWC is adding TBS HD on 9/4 & CNN HD 9/27, here in Austin.

TTx

Can't you just hear TWC scrambling?

If by scrambling you mean sitting around and not saying or apparently doing anything here, then yes, I can hear them very well!

If by scrambling you mean sitting around and not saying or apparently doing anything here, then yes, I can hear them very well!

Scrambling? They (TWC) could care less. For example, here's an excerpt from a response I got today from George Douglas, VP of Mktg for TWC NC:

"I don't believe Raleigh will be able to add HD channels until switched digital is in place."

This was in response to an email I sent asking why other TWC divisions are adding numerous HD channels (A&E HD, National Geo HD, Versus/Golf HD, CNN-HD (Sept), HGTV (Sept), TBS-HD (Oct), HD Showcase, etc.-- all not on the TWC NC system) and TWC NC is doing absolutely nothing for HD customers.

Keep in mind, TWC NC has been promising switched digital for about a year. In other words ... no more HD for TWC NC customers for the foreseeable future. The exodus to satellite continues ...

I don't know about your area, but I've gotten about a half-dozen phone calls from Time-Warner (according to my caller ID box) - most likely the pre-recorded message about upcoming channels. Too bad my answer machine doesn't record anything anymore. :D

TBS-HD & CNN-HD has been added to the "Known Deals Done For TWC" section.
Fox News-HD has been added to the "Negotiations Unknown For TWC" section.
Food Network-HD & HGTV-HD has been added to the "Known Deals Done For TWC" section.
History-HD has been added to the "Future HD Channels Update For TWC" section.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=652328

From A&E regarding History-HD

"Hello Andy our negotiations are private and we can not discuss that at this time. But we are working with Time Warner and hope to see all of our nets carried on the Time Warner systems within the next year."

*Squee* I know this sounds weird but I'm stoked for CNN HD, and eventually History HD.

Keep in mind, TWC NC has been promising switched digital for about a year. In other words ... no more HD for TWC NC customers for the foreseeable future. The exodus to satellite continues ...

but while we are waiting for SDV, we at least can take advantage of all the services offered by their "advanced fiber network." A phrase they keep repeating in their commercials now. :rolleyes:

Interesting that now Verizon and fiber-optic are getting lots of press and consumer interest that suddenly it's not "the power of you" it's all about TWCs "advanced fiber network."

Which obviously doesn't mean a whole lot when the rest of the system isn't.

TWC in Staten Island adds Food Network HD and HGTV HD.

http://cable360.net/technology/news/25393.html

Yippee, they now get 6 (SIX) HD channels the rest of us don't!

And I just found out the 20% discount (SI only) I saw 3 months ago is now only 10%. 10% less, 6 more HD channels, there a deal for ya.

TWC San Diego just announced (official - ad in San Diego Union-Tribune, September 1 edition) new channels, starting October 2:

Versus/Golf-HD, channel 767
KSWB-HD, channel 705

The silence from TWC is killing me. I would rather hear from them that it won't be anytime soon on adding HD content than hear nothing at all. It's like it's classified information or something.

That's like saying your house won't sell anytime soon then boom! - there's an offer.

That's like saying your house won't sell anytime soon then boom! - there's an offer.

They know if the house is selling or not. They just aren't telling.:mad:
I think as HD customers, we have the right to know what they are planning to do about their lack of HD programming. JMHO

They know if the house is selling or not. They just aren't telling.:mad:


No they don't. For example, here in South Carolina the only thing holding up ESPNHD was a deal. Suddenly a deal was made and it was on later that afternoon. They are not going to raise any false hopes and cause a ton of calls until both a deal is done and a slot available.

No they don't. For example, here in South Carolina the only thing holding up ESPNHD was a deal. Suddenly a deal was made and it was on later that afternoon. They are not going to raise any false hopes and cause a ton of calls until both a deal is done and a slot available.

Ok, I guess my frustration if with the lack of info about the deals and what they are doing to open up slots. When Direct announced that they were going to add X amount of HD channels, TWC announced that they would have the capacity to do the same with SDV. Since that time, they have not giving any indication when SDV would be available and where. Will it be a few months or another year or two?

Ok, I guess my frustration if with the lack of info about the deals and what they are doing to open up slots. When Direct announced that they were going to add X amount of HD channels, TWC announced that they would have the capacity to do the same with SDV. Since that time, they have not giving any indication when SDV would be available and where. Will it be a few months or another year or two?Two issues here:
1) The cable company needs to install lots of stuff in their system for SDV - so that may be holding things up.
2) If the cable system is using Passport there is another issue - the version of Passport that TW is using does not support SDV. Though the owners of Passport (Aptiv) does have a version with SDV capabilities, TW has opted to "do it themselves" rather than PAY Aptiv for this software. This "do it yourself" software (Navigator) has run into all sorts of problems - so the roll-out of SDV on Passport systems will be slow and painful (tortured?).

The silence from TWC is killing me. I would rather hear from them that it won't be anytime soon on adding HD content than hear nothing at all. It's like it's classified information or something.

See:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11481551&postcount=2300

As always, TWC will be about 2 years behind every other cable system-- in technology and content. All the while, our rates will go continue to increase faster than any other cable provider. Aren't we lucky?

Found this info about SDV rollout here: http://www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=419&doc_id=132254&site=cdn

Found this info about SDV rollout here: http://www.lightreading.com/blog.asp?blog_sectionid=419&doc_id=132254&site=cdn

wow, you're the best. That right there my friend is the holy grail! No lie.



SDV Deployment for TWC
AS OF AUGUST 2007


Time Warner Cable Albany, N.Y. **
Time Warner Cable Austin, Texas*
Time Warner Cable Binghamton, N.Y. ****
Time Warner Cable Columbia, S.C.*
Time Warner Cable Green Bay, Wis.*
Time Warner Cable Greensboro, N.C.*
Time Warner Cable Kansas City, Mo.****
Time Warner Cable Milwaukee, Wis.**
Time Warner Carolina North Carolina systems (Raleigh/Durham, Charlotte, Wilmington)***
Time Warner Cable Oceanic (Hawaii)***
Time Warner Cable Portland, Maine*
Time Warner Cable Rochester, N.Y.**
Time Warner Cable San Diego, Calif.***
Time Warner Cable Syracuse, N.Y.*

* Commercially deployed
** Installing system
***Contract awarded, SDV not yet installed/deployed
**** Installation/deployment status not yet known
***** Full deployment expected in next 30 days


Unknown SDV Deployment for TWC

Time Warner Cable Alabama
Time Warner Cable Barstow
Time Warner Cable Buffalo/Niagara
Time Warner Cable Cincinnati +
Time Warner Cable Clarksburg
Time Warner Cable Dayton/Miami Valley +
Time Warner Cable Desert Cities
Time Warner Cable Eastern Carolina (Wilmington)
Time Warner Cable Erie
Time Warner Cable Fort Benning
Time Warner Cable Hudson Valley
Time Warner Cable Jackson, MS/Monroe, LA
Time Warner Cable Los Angeles North
Time Warner Cable Los Angeles Metro
Time Warner Cable Los Angeles South
Time Warner Cable Mid-Ohio (Columbus)
Time Warner Cable Myrtle Beach
Time Warner Cable National (non-clustered systems)
Time Warner Cable Nebraska (Lincoln)
Time Warner Cable New York and New Jersey
Time Warner Cable North Texas (Dallas-Fort Worth) (formerly Comcast)
Time Warner Cable Northeast Ohio (Akron)
Time Warner Cable San Antonio
Time Warner Cable Southern California
Time Warner Cable Southern Tier New York
Time Warner Cable Southwest (El Paso, Wichita Falls, Corpus Christi, Laredo, Border Corridor, Golden Triangle, Kerrville, Rio Grande Valley, and South Central)
Time Warner Cable Southwest Florida
Time Warner Cable Southwest Ohio (Miami Valley & Cincinnati)
Time Warner Cable St. John
Time Warner Cable Terre Haute

Just having SDV (almost 2 years) doesn't mean more new HD channels. We have less HD here than most TWC areas. Switched HD is certainly not perfect.Tuning in switched HD channels during primetime is not possible all the time.

My experiences with SDV have been very good with the local TWC. No significant delays in accessing content and a slow, but steady addition of new services and HD content.

TTx

So do they only put certain HD channels as SDV? Seems there are a ton of SD digital channels that are probably being viewed very little to none...wouldnt it make sense to make these channels SDV rather than perhaps a CNN-HD or Food Network-HD?

So do they only put certain HD channels as SDV? Seems there are a ton of SD digital channels that are probably being viewed very little to none...wouldnt it make sense to make these channels SDV rather than perhaps a CNN-HD or Food Network-HD?Thats exactly what they do (though I'm not sure about Food Network-HD).

Just having SDV (almost 2 years) doesn't mean more new HD channels. We have less HD here than most TWC areas. Switched HD is certainly not perfect.Tuning in switched HD channels during primetime is not possible all the time.

I agree with this statement. We have had SDV for awhile and our HD lineup consists of Universal HD, ESPNHD, ESPN2HD, HDNET, HDNET Movie, MOJO, TNTHD, and Discovery HD Theater. We have ABC, CBS, PBS, NBC locals in HD.
The only addition in that past year is ESPN2. No Golf/Versus HD, FoodHD, A&EHD, MHD, etc.

I agree with this statement. We have had SDV for awhile and our HD lineup consists of Universal HD, ESPNHD, ESPN2HD, HDNET, HDNET Movie, MOJO, TNTHD, and Discovery HD Theater. We have ABC, CBS, PBS, NBC locals in HD.
The only addition in that past year is ESPN2. No Golf/Versus HD, FoodHD, A&EHD, MHD, etc.

We have MHD, A&EHD, Golf/Versus (AE and Golf Versus shouldn't be able to have HD in their name)

Here in Austin we've got 2 more coming...

9/27: Add CNN HD, Channel 311 (Channel 1630 in Fredericksburg)
9/4: Add TBS HD, Channel 502 (Channel 1653 in Fredericksburg)

Hooray for SDV :) Wonder why they aren't adding the weather channel...

"I wish I could provide you with specific info, but as I mentioned, the terms of our distribution agreement with them are confidential and I cannot disclose this info. Also, keep in mind that each different cable system has unique configurations and bandwidth capacity that dictate when/if certain networks can be carried in that system. Even if TW has a corporate agreement to carry a particular network, this doesn't mean that any one particular TW system will have the capability to carry it.

Time Warner is in the midst of rolling out a new transmission techology, switched digital video, which can potentially significantly increase their capacity to launch new channels and services. The process of implementing this technology is somewhat complicated and lengthy, but they have stated that they expect most of their systems to have it by year-end 2008, and some as early as this year.

Believe it or not, the best way to get a new channel onto a cable system is still the old-fashioned way: customer requests. The more they hear from you and other THC HD fans, the more likely that the channel will be on your lineup sooner. This is especially true now that there is so much competition from satellite and telephone companies."

I emailed TWC, Greensboro, NC and asked them about hd programing. I got a generic answer that stated that they understood that their customers had questions about their hd programing. I emailed them again and asked for more specific answers about SDV, and the amount of channels and time frames. They replied that they were sorry that they could not give me more info. Oh well. Just thought I would try.

What seems to work best is specific requests. When the Versus/Golf channel deal was made it was not added in South Carolina. Some of us in the local TWCSC threads emailed requesting it. Shortly thereafter it was added. Coincidence? Maybe. But maybe not.

HBO/MAX HD multiplex channels (assuming TWC has the rights) might not be ready to launch on TWC until Q1. Each head end in each TWC division has to install Transcoding equipment to convert mpeg4 to mpeg 2 for broadcast.

This morning on the local sports radio station (850 the Buzz), Brad Phillips (TWC VP for the Raleigh region) came on to defend the TWC position on not carrying MASN.

Same stuff we've all heard about how TWC cares about keeping costs down, sports tier, bla bla bla. Then, he went on to say that the 8 games on the NFL Network will be broadcast on local TV. The host said ... "wait a minute, are you saying that all 8 games will be shown here in Raleigh?". And, Mr. Phillips said, "YES". Of course, that's a lie (whether intentional or unintentional).

I don't really care since I ordered Dish Network and can't wait for it to be installed in about a week. I'll get all of what I got with TWC for $13/mo less-- with tons more programming (especially HD).

Time for you to find the Dish thread!

This morning on the local sports radio station (850 the Buzz), Brad Phillips (TWC VP for the Raleigh region) came on to defend the TWC position on not carrying MASN.

Same stuff we've all heard about how TWC cares about keeping costs down, sports tier, bla bla bla. Then, he went on to say that the 8 games on the NFL Network will be broadcast on local TV. The host said ... "wait a minute, are you saying that all 8 games will be shown here in Raleigh?". And, Mr. Phillips said, "YES". Of course, that's a lie (whether intentional or unintentional).

I don't really care since I ordered Dish Network and can't wait for it to be installed in about a week. I'll get all of what I got with TWC for $13/mo less-- with tons more programming (especially HD).

best of luck to u, I have no other choice.

^^^Well it was going to be very pro-TWC anyhow since Adam Gold is their spokesman...hes not going to ask any tough questions. I didnt get a chance to hear it admittedly, but I cant imagine it was nothing but an in-show promotion/propaganda. That being said, this is the one I really think the cable network is just as much to blame as TWC. We only have 1 local sports team here (Hurricanes), and there really isnt a need for a second regional sports network. And I dont think there is going to be that much uproar for TWC to add MASN, because no one in this area cares about the Orioles or the Nationals (that Ive ever heard of). If anything, this is a Braves market...MLB needs to get with the program and change their region borders. Plus, a lot of the stuff MASN is promoting as having is also available on FSN or on a local station...outside of baseball, I doubt they offer much of anything unique other than some UNCW or Maryland basketball games. TWC does need to add it, but MASN needs to get real on what they are actually offering too.

^^^Well it was going to be very pro-TWC anyhow since Adam Gold is their spokesman...hes not going to ask any tough questions. I didnt get a chance to hear it admittedly, but I cant imagine it was nothing but an in-show promotion/propaganda. That being said, this is the one I really think the cable network is just as much to blame as TWC. We only have 1 local sports team here (Hurricanes), and there really isnt a need for a second regional sports network. And I dont think there is going to be that much uproar for TWC to add MASN, because no one in this area cares about the Orioles or the Nationals (that Ive ever heard of). If anything, this is a Braves market...MLB needs to get with the program and change their region borders. Plus, a lot of the stuff MASN is promoting as having is also available on FSN or on a local station...outside of baseball, I doubt they offer much of anything unique other than some UNCW or Maryland basketball games. TWC does need to add it, but MASN needs to get real on what they are actually offering too.

doesn't MASN produse zero HD Games?

^^^Well it was going to be very pro-TWC anyhow since Adam Gold is their spokesman...hes not going to ask any tough questions. I didnt get a chance to hear it admittedly, but I cant imagine it was nothing but an in-show promotion/propaganda. That being said, this is the one I really think the cable network is just as much to blame as TWC. We only have 1 local sports team here (Hurricanes), and there really isnt a need for a second regional sports network. And I dont think there is going to be that much uproar for TWC to add MASN, because no one in this area cares about the Orioles or the Nationals (that Ive ever heard of). If anything, this is a Braves market...MLB needs to get with the program and change their region borders. Plus, a lot of the stuff MASN is promoting as having is also available on FSN or on a local station...outside of baseball, I doubt they offer much of anything unique other than some UNCW or Maryland basketball games. TWC does need to add it, but MASN needs to get real on what they are actually offering too.

You are right- Adam Gold softball-ed the TWC guy. Absolutely ridiculous. I was going to leave before this, but their stance on sports and HD programming in general is what did it for me.

I emailed TWC, Greensboro, NC and asked them about hd programing. I got a generic answer that stated that they understood that their customers had questions about their hd programing. I emailed them again and asked for more specific answers about SDV, and the amount of channels and time frames. They replied that they were sorry that they could not give me more info. Oh well. Just thought I would try.
rts1, before I purchased my TiVo S3 about a year ago, I emailed Jack Stanley, the local Greensboro TWC president back and forth a few times about SDV, because we were one of the first areas looking at it. He said they didn't have any set roadmap for how SDV was going to be used. This was his quote to me when I questioned him specifically about putting HD channels on SDV (this was 9/25/06):

At this point we have only 10 or so channels being delivered via SDV, all of these have low viewership. It is our intent to migrate the lower viewed services initially and determine at some later date the most practical use of this technology. At this point our plan does not include the HD signals, but that is not to say it would not at some point in the future.

I know this is somewhat ambiguous and I apologize for that, but the fact is, we simply haven't made those decisions as yet.

jacksonian, thanks for that info. I will be getting in touch with Mr. Stanley.

I'd trade all of them for History channel HD!!:)

Anyone have the email for a higher up for Northeast Ohio TWC? Want to start emailing someone there to try to get them moving on HD channels like A&E, History, etc.

Thanks.

I just sent them an email yesterday through their website and I received a form-letter response. I asked them when Versus/Golf Channel would be available and also when they would be going to SDV. Surprisingly :rolleyes: they addressed neither of my questions in the reply I received.

You can try to contact them through their website, or email directly at twcable@neo.rr.com

I just sent them an email yesterday through their website and I received a form-letter response. I asked them when Versus/Golf Channel would be available and also when they would be going to SDV. Surprisingly :rolleyes: they addressed neither of my questions in the reply I received.

You can try to contact them through their website, or email directly at twcable@neo.rr.com

Yes, this is why I want an actual person's email address. I see others listed for different areas, and am hoping someone here knows a higher up's email address.

I emailed Mr. Jack Stanley, President of TWC Greensboro, NC. I asked him about SDV and additional HD programming. His reply was that SDV is deployed in the Greensboro area. He also stated that there would be public announcements made soon on the addition of additional HD programming both broadcast and non-broadcast by years end and at the beginning of 2008. he also added that, "I'm confident you will like our changes."

You are right- Adam Gold softball-ed the TWC guy. Absolutely ridiculous. I was going to leave before this, but their stance on sports and HD programming in general is what did it for me.
Before you snowball Adam Gold for his interview with TWC, he also interviewed MASN (http://www.850thebuzz.com/blog/?p=3231) this morning to let them have a chance to talk: http://www.850thebuzz.com/blog/?p=3231

Again, I don't quite get the fuss and all the negative adds MASN is running, as such I don't know of many sports fans around here up in anger over not being able to watch the Nationals or O's (although they are throwing in some NCAA sports as well). If it was some HD content, great.

-NitDawg

If it was some HD content, great.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. I'd rather NOT have MASN given their stance against HD.

so when is TBS HD coming to the Raleigh/Durham area?

so when is TBS HD coming to the Raleigh/Durham area?

When you sign up for Direct TV. As of right now, they are the only ones that have an agreement for TBS-HD. Something tells me Dish won't be far behind. As for TWC-- don't hold your breath. It's a sister company to Time Warner corporate, but that doesn't seem to matter.

Before you snowball Adam Gold for his interview with TWC, he also interviewed MASN (http://www.850thebuzz.com/blog/?p=3231) this morning to let them have a chance to talk: http://www.850thebuzz.com/blog/?p=3231

Again, I don't quite get the fuss and all the negative adds MASN is running, as such I don't know of many sports fans around here up in anger over not being able to watch the Nationals or O's (although they are throwing in some NCAA sports as well). If it was some HD content, great.

-NitDawg

To tell you the truth, I don't care anymore. I signed up for Dish Network last week.

To tell you the truth, I don't care anymore. I signed up for Dish Network last week.

Time for you to find that Dish forum!

When you sign up for Direct TV. As of right now, they are the only ones that have an agreement for TBS-HD. Something tells me Dish won't be far behind. As for TWC-- don't hold your breath. It's a sister company to Time Warner corporate, but that doesn't seem to matter.

We have TBS-HD in TWC Austin... Just got added. But then we have SDV too.

xnappo

We have TBS-HD in TWC Austin... Just got added. But then we have SDV too.

xnappo

That's cool. Good news.

We have had non-HD-Lite TBS-HD and SDV for two years.

We have had non-HD-Lite TBS-HD and SDV for two years.

I think you are thinking of TNT-HD? TBS-HD just launched...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=866874

xnappo

Time Warner Cable Southwest Ohio just gave legal notice that its agreement with Universal HD will expire soon and that it may be forced to cease carriage of this channel.

Time Warner Cable Southwest Ohio just gave legal notice that its agreement with Universal HD will expire soon and that it may be forced to cease carriage of this channel.

Weak... Did you receive a letter?

Time Warner Cable Southwest Ohio just gave legal notice that its agreement with Universal HD will expire soon and that it may be forced to cease carriage of this channel.

was that a definite statement or just one of it's usual programing notices such as this one:


Time Warner Cable’s agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, and carriage of programming services is discontinued only in rare circumstances. The following agreements with programmers are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of these services in the near future.

Service:

Raleigh/Fayetteville:
WRAL
WRAZ
HGTV
Sleuth
Universal HD
USA
Starz/Encore
Content from DIY On Demand, Fine Living on Demand, HGTV On Demand

While I wouldn't be surprised of either UHD or Starz got canceled, these notices usually come and go without effect at TWCNC.

"Time Warner is in the midst of rolling out a new transmission techology, switched digital video, which can potentially significantly increase their capacity to launch new channels and services. The process of implementing this technology is somewhat complicated and lengthy, but they have stated that they expect most of their systems to have it by year-end 2008, and some as early as this year."


Hold up -

Time Warner is stating that we'll have SDV by the END of 2008??? And they think we'll all just wait until then to get more HD channels, especially when we have the choice of switching to D* and getting more HD in the next couple weeks??

If that is true, I'll be calling D* tomorrow.

Ridiculous...

VisionOn,

It was the same notice (but different local channels).

Hold up -

Time Warner is stating that we'll have SDV by the END of 2008??? And they think we'll all just wait until then to get more HD channels, especially when we have the choice of switching to D* and getting more HD in the next couple weeks??

If that is true, I'll be calling D* tomorrow.

Ridiculous...It all depends on the system you are on. If you have SARA, then you will likely see it sooner. If you have Passport, tough luck - change to D* NOW cause TW has decided that you'll need Navigator for SDV!

It all depends on the system you are on. If you have SARA, then you will likely see it sooner. If you have Passport, tough luck - change to D* NOW cause TW has decided that you'll need Navigator for SDV!

FYI - I have TWC in Charlotte NC - and we have Passport :mad:

Hold up -

Time Warner is stating that we'll have SDV by the END of 2008??? And they think we'll all just wait until then to get more HD channels, especially when we have the choice of switching to D* and getting more HD in the next couple weeks??

If that is true, I'll be calling D* tomorrow.

Ridiculous...

Oh, it's true my friend. Start calling. I did (Dish).

Start calling. I did (Dish).

Me too...D* (need Sunday Ticket) :)

Hold up -

Time Warner is stating that we'll have SDV by the END of 2008??? And they think we'll all just wait until then to get more HD channels, especially when we have the choice of switching to D* and getting more HD in the next couple weeks??

If that is true, I'll be calling D* tomorrow.

Ridiculous...

and don't forget that in order to receive those channels via SDV you'll be forced into using the super-reliable and problem-free Navigator platform! ;)

Hold up -

Time Warner is stating that we'll have SDV by the END of 2008??? And they think we'll all just wait until then to get more HD channels, especially when we have the choice of switching to D* and getting more HD in the next couple weeks??

If that is true, I'll be calling D* tomorrow.

Ridiculous...

D* is about to throw the switch (hopefully 9/14) on more HD channels than TWC will probably offer over the next 5 years. If you are able to switch now.

and don't forget that in order to receive those channels via SDV you'll be forced into using the super-reliable and problem-free Navigator platform! ;)


We have had SDV for a couple of years and do not have navigator.

Every time I come to this thread to see updates on Time Warner I get more and more vindication for having switched to Dish Network this past Summer. I was a TWC Central Ohio subscriber and I just got tired of hearing the same old line of "we'll add much more HD once we get switched digital." At some point you have to start paying for what is actually there, and not broken promises of what will someday be there. I urge all of my former fellow TWC subs to leave them behind and go with either D* or E*. Both are fine services and later this month D* should be catching up with E* in HD content. Either way, they are MUCH better options than TWC. Though I do still miss my On-Demand premiums.

1440 x 1080 ,no thanks.

1440 x 1080 ,no thanks.

Dude, come on. WTF are you referring to?

xnappo

Dude, come on. WTF are you referring to?

xnappo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Lite

1440 x 1080 ,no thanks.

You are not seeing any better than that now with TWC.

you have no idea, and a lot to learn.

I've measured the 8300's effective resolution myself using HDNET's test patterns. Many others on this forum have done the same. Care to explain how we all have it wrong?

You are not seeing any better than that now with TWC.That's a BS assumption. Though there are some cable channels that are bitrate limited, the majority do not compress. One simple way to check is to find how many HD channels are on a QAM. If there are only 2, they aren't doing any additional rate limiting. None of the TW systems in upstate NY are doing any limiting.

I've measured the 8300's effective resolution myself using HDNET's test patterns. Many others on this forum have done the same. Care to explain how we all have it wrong?Yes, there are a lot of variables in evaluating those patterns (+ some acknowledged flaws in the patterns).

That's a BS assumption. Though there are some cable channels that are bitrate limited, the majority do not compress. One simple way to check is to find how many HD channels are on a QAM. If there are only 2, they aren't doing any additional rate limiting. None of the TW systems in upstate NY are doing any limiting.

I was only speaking of resolution. My understanding has been that most cable boxes limit effective lines of horizontal resolution to somewhere in the 1300s, not 1920. I'm also aware of the fact that bitrates and compression are other variables which will also effect the pq. I was only responding to the poster's remark about 1440x1080 resolution.

We have had SDV for a couple of years and do not have navigator.

I'm guessing you're not on Passport?

Either way, your future is Navigator. You might not be at the top of the list, but you are definitely on it.

I was only speaking of resolution. My understanding has been that most cable boxes limit effective lines of horizontal resolution to somewhere in the 1300s, not 1920. I'm also aware of the fact that bitrates and compression are other variables which will also effect the pq. I was only responding to the poster's remark about 1440x1080 resolution.
Haven't read of cable systems reformatting 1920X1080 to 1440X1080, although some program sources do limit resolution to 1440X1080. STBs or sets would upconvert the format to 1920X1080i, and display video processors might again scale as necessary (e.g., fixed-pixel 1366X768).

Effective resolution (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5667245&&#post5667245) (resolvable detail) differs from the format resolution. Widely used HDCAM machines, which limit taped resolution to 1440 lines before upconversion to 1920X1080, set that 1440 effective resolution limit initially, for example.

A cable converter will deliver the standard 1920X1080i format resolution, yet the STB's video output chip might limit effective (measurable) resolution to ~1300 lines. Many AVSers measure this restricted resolution using HDNet's resolution wedges (using this technique (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424)). Member vegggas, who engineering tests cable STBs, has suggested the firmware used with STBs may limit effective resolution by requiring excessive STB memory for handling various converter brands within cable systems. My NYC TWC system admits to using rate shaping (http://broadcastengineering.com/aps/acquisition/broadcasting_dtv_digital_cable/index.html) that boosts bandwidth efficiency, and requantization (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8011489&&#post8011489) within rate shaping limits higher effective resolutions (while still maintaining format resolutions). -- John

Users with cablecard TVs have reported getting higher effective resolutions than those with cable provided STBs.

IMO, a digital cable ready hdtv will give you the best picture when using a cablecard rather than hdmi out from a STB.

Haven't read of cable systems reformatting 1920X1080 to 1440X1080, although some program sources do limit resolution to 1440X1080. STBs or sets would upconvert the format to 1920X1080i, and display video processors might again scale as necessary (e.g., fixed-pixel 1366X768).

Effective resolution (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5667245&&#post5667245) (resolvable detail) differs from the format resolution. Widely used HDCAM machines, which limit taped resolution to 1440 lines before upconversion to 1920X1080, set that 1440 effective resolution limit initially, for example.

A cable converter will deliver the standard 1920X1080i format resolution, yet the STB's video output chip might limit effective (measurable) resolution to ~1300 lines. Many AVSers measure this restricted resolution using HDNet's resolution wedges (using this technique (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424)). Member vegggas, who engineering tests cable STBs, has suggested the firmware used with STBs may limit effective resolution by requiring excessive STB memory for handling various converter brands within cable systems. My NYC TWC system admits to using rate shaping (http://broadcastengineering.com/aps/acquisition/broadcasting_dtv_digital_cable/index.html) that boosts bandwidth efficiency, and requantization (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8011489&&#post8011489) within rate shaping limits higher effective resolutions (while still maintaining format resolutions). -- John

I don't understand. How can a converter "deliver" standard, yet "limit effective" at the same time? One would think if it delivers, it delivers.

TIME WARNER CABLE'S CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER LANDEL HOBBS TO PRESENT AT MERRILL LYNCH'S MEDIA & ENTERTAINMENT CONFERENCE

New York, NY -

Time Warner Cable Inc. (NYSE:TWC) today announced that its Chief Operating Officer Landel Hobbs will present at Merrill Lynch's Media and Entertainment Conference on Monday, September 17, 2007 in Marina Del Rey, CA.

Mr. Hobbs' presentation is expected to begin at approximately 12:30 pm ET. An audio Webcast will be available online at http://www.timewarnercable.com/investors.

To listen to the live Webcast, please go to the Web site at least 15 to 20 minutes prior to the start to register, as well as download and install any necessary software. Also, an archive of the Webcast will be posted on http://www.timewarnercable.com/investors.

TIME WARNER CABLE'S PRESIDENT & CEO GLENN BRITT TO PARTICIPATE IN GOLDMAN SACHS' COMMUNACOPIA CONFERENCE

New York, NY -

Time Warner Cable Inc. (NYSE:TWC) today announced that its President & CEO Glenn Britt will participate in Goldman Sachs' Communacopia Conference on Tuesday, September 18, 2007 in New York, NY.

Mr. Britt's remarks are expected to begin at approximately 8:10 am ET. An audio Webcast will be available online at http://www.timewarnercable.com/investors.

To listen to the live Webcast, please go to the Web site at least 15 to 20 minutes prior to the start to register, as well as download and install any necessary software. Also, an archive of the Webcast will be posted on http://www.timewarnercable.com/investors.

I don't understand. How can a converter "deliver" standard, yet "limit effective" at the same time? One would think if it delivers, it delivers.
Yes, it does require some mental 'juggling' :-) But that's what happens. It's similar to 1080 displays (i or p) presenting the 1920X1080 standard format, but some of them only being able to resolve, say, ~1200 lines from 1920-line test patterns. The effective resolution link I gave has some sublinks to authoritative articles going into effective versus format resolutions.

Basically the highest resolutions/frequencies are attenuated by circuit impedance (or sometimes optics after conversion to light). This diminishes contrast between more closely spaced, higher-resolution test pattern lines (or fine motion video details). The STB (or display) may be providing the standard 1920X1080 format, but at the same time limiting the highest resolutions by making them unresolvable. When contrast is lost enough, making details unresolvable, test pattern video may become gray instead of B&W. -- John

Basically the highest resolutions/frequencies are attenuated by circuit impedance (or sometimes optics after conversion to light). This diminishes contrast between more closely spaced, higher-resolution test pattern lines (or fine motion video details). The STB (or display) may be providing the standard 1920X1080 format, but at the same time limiting the highest resolutions by making them unresolvable. When contrast is lost enough, making details unresolvable, test pattern video may become gray instead of B&W. -- JohnYes, an excellent description of what happens to resolution in an ANALOG scenario. But, what happens at the STB in a pure DIGITAL scenario (as would be the case with HDMI out)?

Quote:

"The STB (or display) may be providing the standard 1920X1080 format, but at the same time limiting the highest resolutions by making them unresolvable. When contrast is lost enough, making details unresolvable, test pattern video may become gray instead of B&W. -- John"

I am not the technician that you appear to be, John, but something is amiss here, it would seem. 1920x1080 refers to resolution. If the STB (or display) is "providing" that much resolution, then, that much resolution is being seen, I think.

Don't feel obliged to respond. I guess I'm just not getting it. Thanks.

Stan,
1920X1080 format resolution can be provided by the STB, but if higher resolutions are 'grayed out' for the reasons outlined, then the effective resolution (resolvable) could be reduced to, say, 1300X800. A full 1920X1080 format delivering an all-gray screen would have zero effective resolution. -- John

Yes, an excellent description of what happens to resolution in an ANALOG scenario. But, what happens at the STB in a pure DIGITAL scenario (as would be the case with HDMI out)?
That's a key point, and pinning it down regarding test patterns might help explain why so many are measuring only ~1300 lines maximum effective horizontal resolution from HDNet's (presumably) full 1920X1080 resolution-wedge test pattern. Here's someone, as I've posted before, with a 1080p Sony FP capable of resolving 1920 lines that also measured (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8865051#post8865051) ~1335 lines on my NYC TWC system, trying both HDMI and YPbPr, I believe.

For HDNet's cable-delivered resolution wedges, while the signal might be digital from start to the display, digital filtering is likely involved at some points. But someone more familiar with STB design and digital filtering might have the answer. Digital filters serve the same functions as analog filters. C. Poynton, in his book, Digital Video and HDTV (2003), devotes nearly a chapter to digital filtering. As mentioned earlier above, restricted memory in STBs, as vegggas suspects, might play a role, too. And I outlined and reference-linked requantization within rate shaping as a potential head-end resolution-limiting factor.

As for HD motion video, which samples images at ~74 Mhz (versus typical non-sampled test patterns), there are many reasons for less than 1920X1080 full effective resolution --including the fact that the limiting resolution (http://archive2.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5667245&&#post5667245) of 1920X1080i/p is ~1700 lines (without oversampling/downconversion). For film or direct-video material, the final effective resolution can change drastically from one frame to the next, whether a dense filter is being used, there's smoke in the air, etc. etc. With deliberately filtered 24-fps dramas, the effective resolution is typically only 800--1100 lines maximum horizontal effective resolution (see quote/sublinks (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9314235&&#post9314235)); that's on pro 1080/24p master recordings. "Tossing out" higher resolutions as pro digital recordings are compressed from ~140--800 Mbps to <17 Mbps for HD home delivery (not HD discs) eliminates finer details. -- John

Will anyone be able to report on the ML press conference today? Any information is appreciated.

Will anyone be able to report on the ML press conference today? Any information is appreciated.

I was listening to it but bailed out around 12:40. I was able to look thru the slides in his presentation and there was nothing there worth talking about concerning HD programing. Probably 90% of what he was talking about was the bundled services (High speed internet, phone and digital cable)

Went back to finish listening. He talked mostly, again, about phone service. Not a word about HD programing. Still listening as I type this.

He finished at 1:11. Still no talk about HD content. There was some mention of VOD vie a question And some talk about updating of the programing guide. That was it.

yeah nothing much their.
hopefully tomorrow's webcast with glen britt we be more informative!

TWC has the rights to Fox Buisness Network-HD.
TWC will be adding The History Channel HD on 10/15/07 in San Antonio.

FBN-HD & THC-HD has been added to the "Known Deals Done For TWC"

More Time Warner Cable Subscriber Losses Expected
COO Landel Hobbs Says ‘Seasonality’ Bleeds Into Third Quarter
By Mike Farrell -- Multichannel News, 9/17/2007 2:29:00 PM

Time Warner Cable chief operating officer Landel Hobbs tried to put a good face on the country’s second largest cable operator’s growth prospects, but warned that second quarter “seasonality” is bleeding into the third quarter, a fact that caused at least one cable analyst some concern.

Hobbs, speaking at the Merrill Lynch Media and Entertainment conference in Marina Del Ray, Calif., said that Time Warner Cable is making progress in integrating systems it acquired as part of the $17.6 billion joint purchase of Adelphia Communications with Comcast last year. But he said that seasonality, normally a second quarter phenomenon associated with snowbirds and college students disconnecting service as they leave for summer residence, bleeds into the first weeks of the third quarter as well.

Time Warner Cable lost about 57,000 basic subscribers in the second quarter, mainly in the former Adelphia systems.

“We’ve seen those trends continue into the third quarter,” Hobbs said at the conference. “Just now in the last couple of weeks we’ve seen seasonality exiting the business.”

That forced Pali Research media analyst Richard Greenfield, who has been critical of Time Warner Cable and its parent Time Warner Inc. in the past, to fire off a research note to clients that was doubtful that the cable giant will be able to turn things around in the coming quarter.

“[Third quarter] seasonality is new to us and even harder to digest when one considers that last year’s [third quarter] was burdened by taking on Adelphia systems one month into the quarter, when there were few quick fixes that TWC could implement,” Greenfield said in the research note.

Greenfield added that he now expects TWC to report subscriber losses “easily” in the 10,000-plus basic subscriber range, instead of the 15,000 additions he had previously predicted for the third quarter.

“The only conclusion we can really draw is that TWC is having a more difficult time integrating Adelphia/Comcast systems than it envisioned,” Greenfield wrote.

Hobbs said at the conference that progress is being made with the former Adelphia systems, but added that they were in dire need of repair. He added that while there is tremendous upside at the properties for new service additions – TWC just launched its triple play package of voice, video and data in Los Angeles in August – the company has had to “methodically correct” these systems.

For example, Hobbs said the Dallas system – obtained from Comcast as part of the Adelphia deal – had to be almost completely rebuilt. Hobbs estimated that TWC has completed rebuilt about 75% of the 275,000 passings in Dallas and will finish the job by the end of the year.

Hobbs added that commercial phone service – currently in 11 cities – will be rolled out by the end of this year, but not marketed until 2008. He also said that interactive advertising could become a TWC product in 2009 and beyond.

Time Warner Cable stock closed at $34.12 on Monday, down 62 cents each.

http://www.multichannel.com/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&articleID=CA6479267

More Time Warner Cable Subscriber Losses Expected
COO Landel Hobbs Says ‘Seasonality’ Bleeds Into Third Quarter
By Mike Farrell -- Multichannel News, 9/17/2007 2:29:00 PM

snowbirds and college students disconnecting service as they leave for summer residence, bleeds into the first weeks of the third quarter as well.



Snowbirds? I think a better term would be 100 Channel HD Direct TV Birds. I wonder how many of the customers left for more HD channels?

More Time Warner Cable Subscriber Losses Expected
COO Landel Hobbs Says ‘Seasonality’ Bleeds Into Third Quarter
By Mike Farrell -- Multichannel News, 9/17/2007 2:29:00 PM

“[Third quarter] seasonality is new to us and even harder to digest when one considers that last year’s [third quarter] was burdened by taking on Adelphia systems one month into the quarter, when there were few quick fixes that TWC could implement,” Greenfield said in the research note.


well at least they'll be used to it when DirecTV adds more channels and HD subscribers over the coming months.

well at least they'll be used to it when DirecTV adds more channels and HD subscribers over the coming months.And as they run to escape the dreaded NAVIGATOR. :rolleyes:

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6479524.html

:):):):):):):):):):)

Umm... that's really funny.

“The next 12 months are going to be about execution,” Britt said at the conference, adding that in its legacy systems that means continuing to sell the triple play of voice, video and data and at the newly acquired systems, continuing the integration process.

I wonder who is being executed?

Well whatever their plans are, tomorrow would be a good time to do something or announce something about more HD channels. I have a co-worker that has Direct tv and If I like what I see..........

Well whatever their plans are, tomorrow would be a good time to do something or announce something about more HD channels. I have a co-worker that has Direct tv and If I like what I see..........

I just don't think cable companies, especially TWC, get it. DirecTV is in the midst of an advertising blitz about all the new HD channels. How does TWC combat it? Basically by doing nothing. Or at the very least, during the link above, we hear vague talk about 'execution in the next 12 months'. Huh? Do you think people will wait for TWC to maybe do something in the next year or so? Please.

As soon as I find the right deal with DirecTV, I'm finished with TWC. Time Warner is stating they have lost a lot of subscribers due to the Adelphia merger. Wait till they see they losses in the next quarter or two.

Idiots...

10/18 in Austin:

Add Fox Business Network to Channel 363
Move ESPNews from Channel 405 to Channel 419
Add America's Auction Network to Channel 281
Add Shop at Home to Channel 284
Add Celebrity Shopping Network to Channel 279
Add ShopLatino to Channel 278 and Channel 616


no mention of Fox BUsiness-HD or history HD....but their deal with history is up soon so maybe that'll result in something.

I just don't think cable companies, especially TWC, get it. DirecTV is in the midst of an advertising blitz about all the new HD channels. How does TWC combat it? Basically by doing nothingTW doesn’t care about DirecTV’s new HD line up. What TW is actually doing is smart. They are endlessly promoting their “Triple Play Package” with phones, internet and television creating very attractive packages tangling us in their web. Only a Verizon with FIOS can compete with that. As Verizon gets its fiber rolled out and deals arranged—they will be the main competitor.The more customers that TW signs up for the triple play deal the harder it is for Direct TV to pry away.

Well Oceanic TWC here in hawaii seems to have stalled. A CSR had said that we would get CNN_HD on 9/1 and TBS-HD later this month but no CNN so far and TBS is not looking promising based on this...

\I was asking why there was no shows on FSN-HD and when would Oceanic carry CNN-HD and TBS-HD. This is the response:

"We show all of the HD games provided by Fox. HD is very expensive to
film and many of the broadcasters and cable networks have scaled back
their HD plans because of that. Even inDemand HD was forced to cut back
their plans because they could not acquire sufficient HD product.

We will be looking at CNN and TBS HD which just became available. They,
like many cable channels offering HD, have only a small portion of their
HD in programming in true HD and the rest is up-converted which also
upsets our HD customers.

We have about 15 cable channels "offering HD" that we don't currently
carry because the true HD programming is only about 15% of their
schedule.

We will be evaluating them all to see if they are offering quality
programming we think acceptable to our HD customers. "

Same response as before.

So they would rather not give us any of the available 15 HD channels because in their opinion they do not have enough HD content. They fail to realize that most of us would rather have 15% than 0%.

I just don't think cable companies, especially TWC, get it. DirecTV is in the midst of an advertising blitz about all the new HD channels. How does TWC combat it? Basically by doing nothing. Or at the very least, during the link above, we hear vague talk about 'execution in the next 12 months'.

They get it, but you don't need HD. What you need is digital phone and the triple play package!

Or in plain English. "We can't give you any more HD because our system doesn't have the capacity and we don't have functional software. But we can give you internet and phone service! So lets hype that to the point of overkill in the hopes that people don't notice."

Or in plain English. "We can't give you any more HD because our system doesn't have the capacity and we don't have functional software.

We have the capacity (SDV) at TWC-SC and not a whole lot of HD so that can not be the reason.

"Chiller and Sleuth in HD will be available in 08
SCI FI, USA, Bravo and CNBC HD are all available as of Q4/07. They are all launching on DIRECTV in October.
At this time, Time Warner is not carrying them. Conversations with our distributors, including TWC, are on-going."

TW doesn’t care about DirecTV’s new HD line up. What TW is actually doing is smart. They are endlessly promoting their “Triple Play Package” with phones, internet and television creating very attractive packages tangling us in their web. Only a Verizon with FIOS can compete with that. As Verizon gets its fiber rolled out and deals arranged—they will be the main competitor. The more customers that TW signs up for the triple play deal the harder it is for Direct TV to pry away.

Larry, I'm sure you read my issues with RR in the NYC thread... certainly an inducement to NOT depend on their VOIP service. In the past three years that would mean I was OUT of service for 5 or more days, THREE separate times. Ever heard of Verizon being that frequently out? Add in well over a dozen times in the past year alone where I would NOT be able to make OR receive a call because it was non-functional for 5 minutes to an hour while I was furiously trying to make the modem connect.

Hell, during the last 2 blackouts, I 100% HAD phone service (partly because I DO still have an old analog phone that I can jack in). I THINK maybe once in 30 years or so I picked up the phone to find no dialtone. And yes, during the last one, there was a small section of Manhattan that was totally out (my mother lived there)... but it was much less than 24 hours before they were back in business.

In NYC, they don't care much about D-TV because a large proportion of the populace can't get it. Most of those folks can't do OTA either, so TW is the ONLY source of ANY broadcast TV. AND where FIOS is closest (Staten Island) TWC gives 6 MORE HD channels AND for less money (they get a discount where we don't). Many say the discount will make it's way to us, but that also means that I've "lost" 45 dollars so far... add in another 15 bucks for every month they delay before we get it... assuming we WILL get it.

taken from TWC Raleigh /Durham website...

"October 1: TBS HD will be added to Digital Variety Ch. 282."

"October 15: Versus/Golf Channel HD and A&E HD will be added to Digital Variety on channels 283 and 284, respectively."

http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html

taken from the Greensboro(Piedmont Triad) Thread...

Looks like Time Warner will finally add some new HD channels - looks like 9 new channels on October 15th. CNN, A&E, Lifetime, Universal, WMYV, Food Network, Golf/Versus, History, MTV.

Here is a link to the Winston-Salem journal article...

http://journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173352822091&path=%21localnews&s=1037645509099

CWHD already in system TBS HD Oct1 and then the others mid oct, about time.

taken from TWC Raleigh /Durham website...

"October 1: TBS HD will be added to Digital Variety Ch. 282."

"October 15: Versus/Golf Channel HD and A&E HD will be added to Digital Variety on channels 283 and 284, respectively."

Holy crap! Actual new content.

Pity they are picking two channels that have almost nothing HD worthy on them.

Meanwhile still waiting for Cinemax, Starz, and Nat Geo HD ...

taken from TWC Raleigh /Durham website...

"October 1: TBS HD will be added to Digital Variety Ch. 282."

"October 15: Versus/Golf Channel HD and A&E HD will be added to Digital Variety on channels 283 and 284, respectively."

Link?

Link?

http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html

VisionOn - Thank you very much. :)

Holy crap! Actual new content.

Pity they are picking two channels that have almost nothing HD worthy on them.

Meanwhile still waiting for Cinemax, Starz, and Nat Geo HD ...

Yet the whining continues. And HD worthy is nothing but opinion. ;)

Lifetime Movie Network-HD has been added to the "Known Deals Done For TWC"

Yet the whining continues. And HD worthy is nothing but opinion. ;)

well I'm pretty sure that more people have requested Cinemax HD over the past three years than TBS HD over the past three months!

And typical to get TBS when they end their Summer season and hit the rerun trails again!

TBS is going to have the MLB playoffs so that's cool that they are adding it before the playoffs start.

Does anyone know the cheapest/best way to get my locals in HD? I want to switch to Direct TV but I want to keep my locals in HD. Do I have to have a digital cable box or tier?

Does anyone know the cheapest/best way to get my locals in HD? I want to switch to Direct TV but I want to keep my locals in HD. Do I have to have a digital cable box or tier?

Where are you located, does direct tv offer locals in your area? If so you wouldnt have to do anything but get direct tv hd package. If they dont.. depending on your location(city) and surroundings(trees,buildings, etc) you can get a variety of over the air antennas to pick up local HD transmissions. I am lucky to live in an area where I bought a 20 dollar "HD" rca antenna, placed it behind my setup and I can easily pick up most stations. Others have antennas in the attic or posted up outside, it all just depends on your situation.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html


Where are you browsing to get that exact page? I live in Charlotte, NC, so that 'change update' does not apply to me. I wondering how to find that same page on the Charlotte TWC page.

Thanks!

http://www.timewarnercable.com/charlotte/programming/cluchanges.html

Yours doesn't show too much changes being made.

Where are you browsing to get that exact page? I live in Charlotte, NC, so that 'change update' does not apply to me. I wondering how to find that same page on the Charlotte TWC page.

Thanks!

That's at the Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville channel update page. The "channel change" page is different for different TWC sites.

taken from the Greensboro(Piedmont Triad) Thread...

Looks like Time Warner will finally add some new HD channels - looks like 9 new channels on October 15th. CNN, A&E, Lifetime, Universal, WMYV, Food Network, Golf/Versus, History, MTV.

Here is a link to the Winston-Salem journal article...

http://journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173352822091&path=%21localnews&s=1037645509099

CWHD already in system TBS HD Oct1 and then the others mid oct, about time.

I e-mailed Oceanic Time Warner (Hawaii) to ask about these channels. I got this reply...

"Thank you for your recent inquiry. We are currently working to release the HD CNN, HD TBS, and HD Liquid TV channels. We have not gotten word from TW Corporate about the other HD channels, but I will forward your
request and let you know if I get any updates. "

I've never heard of HD Liquid though.

I'm hating on the Triad with that lineup you guys are getting. TBS-HD will be nice though.

i really dont want to wait until 2008 for chiller...ugh

but at least its coming, or is it? I remember my parents (who live 20 min from me) had espn 2 for 6 months before I got it, and yes we are both on time warner

Time Warner today said TBS HD will be added to at least six more markets by October.

TVPredictions.com reported this morning that Time Warner subscribers in the Winston Salem, North Carolina area would get TBS HD on October 1.

Mark Harrad, a Time Warner spokesman, told TVPredictions.com this afternoon that the channel has already been been added in TW markets Austin, Texas and Waco, Texas.

He added that it will be added next month in Columbia, South Carolina, San Antonio, Albany, New York and Portland, Maine.

TBS HD is eagerly awaited by sports fans because the channel will carry first and second round action in this year's Major League Baseball playoffs.

Harrad said he did not know of other Time Warner markets where TBS HD will be added. Normally, Time Warner negotiates the national rights to carry a channel and then allows for the local TW system to decide when and how to carry it.

Time Warner has also told its customers in the Winston-Salem area that several other HD channels will be added on October 15, including CNN HD.

But Harrad said he could not confirm the CNN HD addition.

Ok, this is starting to bug me a little. I keep seeing commercials on Discovery HD Theater for Discovery's new HD Channels, such as Discovery Channel HD, TLC HD, Animal Planet HD, etc. At the bottom of the screen they say to call my cable provider. However every time I call, the customer service representative has no idea what I'm talking about. Does anyone have any idea when these channels are suppose to be available to consumers. I'm living in Charlotte, NC not sure if it's a by area basis. Thanks for the help.

See post number one in this thread.

It says unknown and also Q1 of 2008. Was just wondering if anybody else had a different time frame. Thanks.

It says unknown and also Q1 of 2008. Was just wondering if anybody else had a different time frame. Thanks.

Well I got another response from Oceanic TW that might explain why discover may not appear in hawaii for a while -- don't know what the policy of your local division is but ours seem intent on judging the worthiness of channels for us before adding them...even though SDV is being launched here so they should have the bandwidth...

In the last several weeks Discovery A&E Networks, Lifetime, Scripps &
Turner have announced launch dates for:

Discovery Channel
The Learning Channel
Animal Planet
Science Channel -
A&E
History
BIO launching Nov 15
Lifetime Movie
Fox News
USA
HGTV
Food
CNN
TBS
MGM Movies

All of the above (with perhaps the exception of MGM) have 35-60% of
their programming in true HD in prime time only which is ZERO in prime
time in Hawaii since they are all East Coast Feeds. Overall, true HD
programming ranges from 5%-15% with forecasts of reaching 15-45% by the
end of 2009.

We have more complaints about the lack of true HD programming on many of
the so-called" HD channels plus all are simulcasts of the
standard/digital networks we already carry. We plan to look at all that
is offered with the hopes of picking quality product that will make our
HD customers happy.

Well I got another response from Oceanic TW that might explain why discover may not appear in hawaii for a while -- don't know what the policy of your local division is but ours seem intent on judging the worthiness of channels for us before adding them...even though SDV is being launched here so they should have the bandwidth...

nice post. I wonder if agreements have already been made with:
Discovery Channel-HD
The Learning Channel-HD
Animal Planet-HD
Science Channel-HD
BIO-HD Launching NOV 15
Fox News-HD
USA-HD
MGM-HD Movies

nice post. I wonder if agreements have already been made with:
Discovery Channel-HD
The Learning Channel-HD
Animal Planet-HD
Science Channel-HD
BIO-HD Launching NOV 15
Fox News-HD
USA-HD
MGM-HD Movies

i don't think so based on this next response from them (although this person seems unaware of many other HD channel deals)...

They only deal signed (as far as I know) is CNN HD and TBS HD from Turner as well as A&E. Discovery thinks their deal is close to being finalized.


Cable’s main asset is their shelf space (spectrum), much of which is regulated by the FCC and Local Franchise authorities who require us to carry high power stations, public access, leased access, etc. TW systems differ greatly in the amount of space they relinquish in different parts of the country. We provide 6 analog channels for Public Access (Olelo) and a number to programmers with high power stations. To carry major broadcasters we negotiate carriage agreements and the stations request additional space on an on-going basis for HD and other digital feeds they are developing.



In Hawaii we also have underwater fiber transport to Neighbor Islands to consider. Fortunately digital and new technologies have allowed us to go from 36 analog channels to 380 analog and digital channels plus video on demand offerings which work well because they don’t require dedicated bandwidth. HD, however, requires dedicated space and a significant amount. For example, we can put 1 analog channel, 10-12 digital standard definition channels or 2 HD channels in the same amount of spectrum.



Because of these differences, Time Warner will seldom demand all divisions carry simulcasts of existing programming. Their guide for HD carriage is generally set at 50% true HD all programming or the majority of programming HD in prime time.



We are testing switch digital which should free up space, all of which will be used primarily for HD. While programmers are anxious to secure slots for their HD programming, we are anxious to use our available space for the best programming available and to the networks that are serious about developing their HD offering.



I know that Dish is planning to put up the mother of all satellites and are packing every network that has any amount of programming shot in HD. We will develop our HD lineup with the best quality we can find and feel that by the time the networks are up to par, we will be ready to offer all of them.



But I carry on.

^Yet they are adding A&E HD? Admittedly I have yet to see it, but from what I hear the HD programs are few and far between on that channel...it definitely doesnt fit with that philosophy.

What we all need to come to understand and accept is that there is not enough HD programming available for 24 hours per day on all of the channels to which we have become accustomed. This is not the fault of TWC or any other delivery system.

Many of the posters on this thread have selected the wrong target.

^Yet they are adding A&E HD? Admittedly I have yet to see it, but from what I hear the HD programs are few and far between on that channel...it definitely doesnt fit with that philosophy.We've had A&E HD on TW in Rochester, NY for around a year now - but still no Cinemax HD.

taken from TWC Raleigh /Durham website...

"October 1: TBS HD will be added to Digital Variety Ch. 282."

"October 15: Versus/Golf Channel HD and A&E HD will be added to Digital Variety on channels 283 and 284, respectively."

http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html

I just heard a local radio station advertising for these HD stations "Coming soon". I never thought they would announce more TWC HD stations before D* got theirs!

i don't think so based on this next response from them (although this person seems unaware of many other HD channel deals)...

"Discovery thinks their deal is close to being finalized."

good enough for me to move those channels to indicate negotiations are taking place.

We've had A&E HD on TW in Rochester, NY for around a year now - but still no Cinemax HD.

A&E HD is restricted to only part of my city, it's shut off for most of it. Cinemax HD is available, but dare I suggest that everything that runs on Cinemax HD is run on HBO HD within 2 months? Yes I know that "they" are in major Cinemax promotion mode in that it seems ALL movie premieres go to Cinemax where 2 years ago, most of them went to HBO first then Cinemax.

Of course, Cinemax DOES have a lot of porn going for it... get this, I think it was last New Years weekend when they did a "promo" of a free weekend of Cinemax, I did see they ran one HD porn movie.

BTW, I save the extra 5 bucks and do NOT subscribe to Cinemax.

What we all need to come to understand and accept is that there is not enough HD programming available for 24 hours per day on all of the channels to which we have become accustomed. This is not the fault of TWC or any other delivery system.

Many of the posters on this thread have selected the wrong target.

Yes and no... yes there is a lot of "upconvert" material on the HD channels, but it generally is done with professional level equipment and should be "better" than whatever equipment the customer has to upconvert. Also going through the upconvert step allows them to do additional processing.

Case in point are the network (and local in big markets) newscasts. Before a lot went HD, you could switch between the SD and HD channel and the HD channels was far, far better.

And yes, it is also true that they could not bother at all... but there are no BARRIERS to them making a good upconvert. Sure as hell some of the premium channels run SD movies at least in widescreen.

Just called Time Warner Desert Cities to correct a billing problem and was told we are getting Starz HD on November 22. Rep had no info about other HD channels coming.

I just heard that TWC will not be offering the NHL Center Ice package this season. Does anyone know if this is true?

I just heard that TWC will not be offering the NHL Center Ice package this season. Does anyone know if this is true?

WHAT??? If so, thats THE final straw for me to get a dish...

What we all need to come to understand and accept is that there is not enough HD programming available for 24 hours per day on all of the channels to which we have become accustomed. This is not the fault of TWC or any other delivery system.

Many of the posters on this thread have selected the wrong target.

i don't care if a channel only has 10%HD -- if it has shows that I like then I would like to see it added anyway.

i don't care if a channel only has 10%HD -- if it has shows that I like then I would like to see it added anyway.

Exactly. How many hundreds of terrible channels are there that don't show any HD?

WHAT??? If so, thats THE final straw for me to get a dish...

Unfortunately that's not an option for me and millions of my NYC neighbors.

WHAT??? If so, thats THE final straw for me to get a dish...

Turns out it was a false alarm.

"Dear Mr. X:

Not sure where you are hearing that we won't be carrying it. We are in the process of finishing our contract and fully intend to carry Center Ice. Indeed, we are working with the NHL to find interesting ways to enhance the package for our customers. We have a good relationship with the NHL and are actively working with them. Please be patient.

Regards, Melinda Witmer

Just called Time Warner Desert Cities to correct a billing problem and was told we are getting Starz HD on November 22. Rep had no info about other HD channels coming.

FWIW, as with (most) all the others, this channel is NOT 100% HD. BUT, this very much WAS the first channel I saw non-distorted 16:9 SD. Lemme tell you, that was NOT a bad experience. MUCH better than 4:3 SD.

I called Time Warner-North Texas yesterday and asked about new HD channels in Waco, San Antonio, and Austin to see when they would be coming to Dallas and received the response "I think I heard something about those channels being added down there but havent heard anything about them coming to Dallas." I then asked if we would need the switched digital upgrade (not sure of the technical name) before we could receive them and was told "not sure why we would need that." I would think that a Time Warner Market the size of Dallas would receive preferential treatement over Waco but I guess I am wrong.:confused: Maybe its time to dish out 350 for directv hd-dvr and move on (previous customer) :eek:

I live in upstate New York (Syracuse area), and I called Time Warner to ask about upcoming HD channels. I first asked about TBS-HD for the MLB Playoffs and I was told they are not planning on adding that channel right now. I asked when they were going to add any new HD channels. The guy started to tell me how they were working on a new digital switching technology to allow them to add more HD channels. I told him I know, it's called SDV and according to a chart I saw on one of the AVS forums, Syracuse already has SDV Commercially Available. I think the guy was taken back a little because I knew this information. He mumbled some other stuff, and eventually admitted that he didn't think my area would get more HD channels until the beginning of 2008. I basically told him I would rather NOT switch to Satellite, but I needed some sort of assurance that Time Warner would be adding a "bunch" of HD channels "soon". I can live with the "beginning" of 2008, but I don't want just a couple new channels. I want a bunch of new ones, like Direct Tv. The channels I would really like in HD are:

USA HD
SciFi HD
History HD
Science HD

Now for a question for those of you who may have some good information or sources about upcoming HD. What do you think the worse case scenario is, for when Time Warner will finally add a "bunch" of new HD channels?

Now for a question for those of you who may have some good information or sources about upcoming HD. What do you think the worse case scenario is, for when Time Warner will finally add a "bunch" of new HD channels?

The first post in this thread is up to date, anything else a guess.

Oh, nice win today.

The first post in this thread is up to date, anything else a guess.

Oh, nice win today.
Thanks. We needed a win pretty bad. I just never thought it would come against a ranked team!

My Yanks won a nail-biter too!

A&E HD is restricted to only part of my city, it's shut off for most of it. Cinemax HD is available, but dare I suggest that everything that runs on Cinemax HD is run on HBO HD within 2 months? Yes I know that "they" are in major Cinemax promotion mode in that it seems ALL movie premieres go to Cinemax where 2 years ago, most of them went to HBO first then Cinemax.

Of course, Cinemax DOES have a lot of porn going for it... get this, I think it was last New Years weekend when they did a "promo" of a free weekend of Cinemax, I did see they ran one HD porn movie.

BTW, I save the extra 5 bucks and do NOT subscribe to Cinemax.

I've got both HBO-HD & MAX-HD, and while all of the "big" movies that are on one will generally appear on the other within 2 months, Cinemax does have its advantages. HBO spends a lot of their broadcast time showing various non-movie programming -- their in-house produced series, comedy specials, concerts, sports, etc. Cinemax is 100% all movies all the time. This means that they get to dig a lot deeper into their film library than HBO does. Quite often (more than not at the odd hours of the morning), random old classics pop up on Cinemax that NEVER make HBO's cut 'cause their schedule is filled with a lot of other things. That's the reason to subscribe to Cinemax.....

Scott

FWIW, as with (most) all the others, this channel is NOT 100% HD. BUT, this very much WAS the first channel I saw non-distorted 16:9 SD. Lemme tell you, that was NOT a bad experience. MUCH better than 4:3 SD.

But I do think that Starz these days is 80% HD.....

New channels announced for Charlotte:

Fox Business News will be added October 1, 2007
TBS HD will be added on October 1, 2007
Golf/Versus HD will be added on October 15
A&E HD will be added on October 15
MTV HD will be added on October 15

In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers.
The following changes/launches are planned:

Bonus with Digital Converter
Now Available - American Auctions Network – Channel 1120

Bonus with Basic Cable and HD Converter
October 1, 2007 – TBS HD – Channel 838
October 1, 2007 – HGTV HD – Channel 834
October 1, 2007 – Food Network HD – Channel 835
October 1, 2007 – History HD – Channel 837
October 1, 2007 – CNN HD – Channel 839

Bonus with HD Converter and Subscription
October 1, 2007 – Cinemax HD – Channel 906
October 1, 2007 – The Movie Channel East HD – Channel 916

Digital Serviceable Areas
October 15, 2007 - Fox Business Network - Channel 145

I called Time Warner-North Texas yesterday and asked about new HD channels in Waco, San Antonio, and Austin to see when they would be coming to Dallas and received the response "I think I heard something about those channels being added down there but havent heard anything about them coming to Dallas." I then asked if we would need the switched digital upgrade (not sure of the technical name) before we could receive them and was told "not sure why we would need that." I would think that a Time Warner Market the size of Dallas would receive preferential treatement over Waco but I guess I am wrong.:confused: Maybe its time to dish out 350 for directv hd-dvr and move on (previous customer) :eek:

Thanks for the info. I agree, why would Waco get new HD content before Dallas? Don't get me wrong, I grew up in Waco and love the city, but it's no market compared to Dallas! How frustrating.

Thanks for the info. I agree, why would Waco get new HD content before Dallas? Don't get me wrong, I grew up in Waco and love the city, but it's no market compared to Dallas! How frustrating.

Which equipment does Waco use? Dallas uses Motorola boxes. Austin uses Scientific Atlanta.

I've got both HBO-HD & MAX-HD, and while all of the "big" movies that are on one will generally appear on the other within 2 months, Cinemax does have its advantages. HBO spends a lot of their broadcast time showing various non-movie programming -- their in-house produced series, comedy specials, concerts, sports, etc. Cinemax is 100% all movies all the time. This means that they get to dig a lot deeper into their film library than HBO does. Quite often (more than not at the odd hours of the morning), random old classics pop up on Cinemax that NEVER make HBO's cut 'cause their schedule is filled with a lot of other things. That's the reason to subscribe to Cinemax.....

Scott

That very much was a big part of why I decided to hold the line on cost and go HBO only... the non-movie stuff on HBO I DO watch. Complicating things is the other 6 HBO channels being all SD, all the time! PLUS each service's "OnDemand" is SD only.

Naturally, I do have to "pay" for my choice as it seems in the past 4 months, HBO gets to premiere (movies) nothing of any consequence, they are all on Cinemax. They are essentially targeting guys like me, making it difficult to NOT subscribe to both services!

In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers.
The following changes/launches are planned:

Bonus with Digital Converter
Now Available - American Auctions Network – Channel 1120

Bonus with Basic Cable and HD Converter
October 1, 2007 – TBS HD – Channel 838
October 1, 2007 – HGTV HD – Channel 834
October 1, 2007 – Food Network HD – Channel 835
October 1, 2007 – History HD – Channel 837
October 1, 2007 – CNN HD – Channel 839

Bonus with HD Converter and Subscription
October 1, 2007 – Cinemax HD – Channel 906
October 1, 2007 – The Movie Channel East HD – Channel 916

Digital Serviceable Areas
October 15, 2007 - Fox Business Network - Channel 145YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was just about to call D* to setup an install appointment. TWCSC will keep my business....for now. If they don't add SciFiHD and the four Discovery HD channels by mid-November, all bets are off again.

As of 9/15, 4 analogs were dropped from TWC-NYC, freeing up bandwidth for about a dozen HD channels. One small part of the city continues to get 6 HD channels the other 95% don't get.

So far absolutely NO HD channels have been added, nor have any been announced. AND it appears UnHD has been dropped from the channel listings indicating it may be dropped as a channel... although it seems to still be there.

Given the first round of the baseball playoffs belong to TBS and they plan HD coverage, TWC has specifically announced for several market that they WILL get TBS HD so they can get HD playoff games. But for TWC-NYC, nada, zip, nothing. With both home teams going to the playoffs, it's going to be a SD fest. Nice.

Has anyone heard any information about Time Warner NE Wisconsin, more specifically in Green Bay? I fired an email off to them a couple of days ago, but I haven't heard anything back from them as of yet. I've seen other Time Warner franchises announce new channels in their systems, but TWC NE Wisconsin has been mum about any possible changes. If anyone can provide some info that would be fantastic. I'll post the reply I get from Time Warner if there's anything good in it. Thanks for the help.

Has anyone heard any information about Time Warner NE Wisconsin, more specifically in Green Bay? I fired an email off to them a couple of days ago, but I haven't heard anything back from them as of yet. I've seen other Time Warner franchises announce new channels in their systems, but TWC NE Wisconsin has been mum about any possible changes. If anyone can provide some info that would be fantastic. I'll post the reply I get from Time Warner if there's anything good in it. Thanks for the help.

The majority of TWC regions are like that.... almost no word until something happens....

TW likes to treat their customers like mushrooms (keep them in the dark).:rolleyes:

The majority of TWC regions are like that.... almost no word until something happens....

that's because they have no good news. If they did they would be shouting it from the PR rooftops.

Woo hoo, three new channels of of highly variable content. Hardly stacks up against the 31 cable network channels D* have as of today.

Hardly stacks up against the 31 cable network channels D* have as of today.

Actually our non-HD-Lite, non-rain-fade, non-pizza-pan lineup stacks up very well! ;)

Actually our non-HD-Lite, non-rain-fade, non-pizza-pan lineup stacks up very well! ;)

the D* 31 channel lineup isn't counting the local channels.

And not forgetting that SC is a test bed. What happens in SC usually stays in SC.

And not forgetting that SC is a test bed. What happens in SC usually stays in SC.

The nonsensical second statement contradicts the first and has been disproven (new channels, SDV) consistently over time.

I realize the discussions on this thread are purely speculation, but I'm looking for some opinions on the following:

According to the first post of this thread, TWC-Syracuse has SDV installed and available. There are also a decent number of Known Deals Done with TWC, including TBS-HD. I called to ask when that channel would be added, and the person said there were no plans to add it. The MLB playoffs are coming on TBS-HD, and both NY teams (should) make the playoffs. So, my question is, what POSSIBLE reason could there be for TWC-Syracuse to NOT add TBS-HD or more?

Would the people I talk to at TWC actually LIE about channels being added, and then suprise us all and add them at any time? With SDV installed and ready to go, bandwidth should not be a problem,.. right?

The nonsensical second statement contradicts the first and has been disproven (new channels, SDV) consistently over time.

SC as a test bed is a fact. How many other markets currently have Fantasy Football Tracker and Quick Clips? How long as TWCSC had Start Over in comparison to the few networks that currently have it? TWCSC operates in it's own world, and is in no way indicative of the rest of the US. As also shown with SDV. How long has that been in use by comparison to other markets and how many HD channels does SC have in comparison to those few markets that now have it?

Same applies to Oceanic with things like SportsChoice Mosaic. How many other markets have that?

I realize the discussions on this thread are purely speculation, but I'm looking for some opinions on the following:

According to the first post of this thread, TWC-Syracuse has SDV installed and available. There are also a decent number of Known Deals Done with TWC, including TBS-HD. I called to ask when that channel would be added, and the person said there were no plans to add it. The MLB playoffs are coming on TBS-HD, and both NY teams (should) make the playoffs. So, my question is, what POSSIBLE reason could there be for TWC-Syracuse to NOT add TBS-HD or more?

Would the people I talk to at TWC actually LIE about channels being added, and then suprise us all and add them at any time? With SDV installed and ready to go, bandwidth should not be a problem,.. right?Well, one issue may be as simple as: they don't have a HD receiver for that channel (yet). Yes, sometimes it is as simple as that!

An HD receiver? I guess I don't know what hardware the cable company needs to offer more HD channels. However, the person I talked to at TWC said they had no plans to add TBS-HD. He seemed to "suggest" they weren't planning on adding anymore HD channels until early 2008. I just don't know why they wouldn't add more channels when SDV is installed already, and they have a bunch of deals already done for many other HD channels. Also, why the secrecy about when they will add more?

TWCSC operates in it's own world, and is in no way indicative of the rest of the US.


If one defines "test bed" as testing for wider release to the "rest of the US", I once again point to new channels and SDV as indicative and obvious.

As also shown with SDV. How long has that been in use by comparison to other markets and how many HD channels does SC have in comparison to those few markets that now have it?

Yeah, I'll get right on that research.

Speaking of SDV, when I first read about it, the claim was that it would offer a way to add "unlimited" HD channels. Did the testing of SDV prove that to be true? If that is true, why don't all the areas that have SDV installed offer "ALL" of the HD channels that TWC has deals with?

Well, one issue may be as simple as: they don't have a HD receiver for that channel (yet). Yes, sometimes it is as simple as that!

Also, it also seems that each TWC region acts as it's own business unit trying to balance subscription costs and subscription revenue within it's own competitive environment. I would think their first priority is to do what they believe will maximize profits as is the case with most for-profit enterprises. If you want to see a change in their behaviour efforts are probably best directed at local government overseers.

Having said that it seems they could find a way to show the baseball playoffs in New York. I seem to remember a few years ago we got the Super Bowl network for a day before that network came on board.

So do you think they aren't adding more HD channels because it will eat into their profits? Will it take a bunch of us to cancel our service and go to Direct TV to get them to finally start adding HD channels? I have to tell you, if I do decide to go to Direct TV, and buy all that equipment, and go through all that trouble, I will NOT come back to TWC just because they add more HD channels later on. They must know this, right? They can't be that stupid. Also, why would they spend all that money to install SDV if they don't plan on using it to add more channels? With all the publicity about Direct TV's new HD channels, TWC must be worried, right? Why aren't they coming out and making any statements about adding HD channels of their own? I just don't get it.

SC as a test bed is a fact. How many other markets currently have Fantasy Football Tracker and Quick Clips?Yes TWCSC is a test bed for new TWC products...just like San Antonio, TX. I'm pretty sure other markets have FFT and QC. Just none of the Passport divisions, like yours.
How long as TWCSC had Start Over in comparison to the few networks that currently have it?Start Over has been available here since November 2005.
TWCSC operates in it's own world, and is in no way indicative of the rest of the US.Technically speaking, ALL TWC divisions operate in "their own world". I cannot fathom why.
As also shown with SDV. How long has that been in use by comparison to other markets and how many HD channels does SC have in comparison to those few markets that now have it?SDV has been available here since December 2005. TWCSC has barely used it and IMO, it's been a complete waste...so far.

the D* 31 channel lineup isn't counting the local channels.How many are actually showing REAL HD content?

Speaking of SDV, when I first read about it, the claim was that it would offer a way to add "unlimited" HD channels. Did the testing of SDV prove that to be true?Hard to say. It works, but unliminted HD channels........
If that is true, why don't all the areas that have SDV installed offer "ALL" of the HD channels that TWC has deals with?Each TWC division does it own deals. History has shown that TWC national deals are really irrelevant. here in SC, we are finally getting CinemaxHD and TMC-HD. That deal was done (nationally) last year.

So do you think they aren't adding more HD channels because it will eat into their profits?No. IMO their are still bandwidth issues with the areas that do not have SDV online and TWC overall are lazy bastards.
Will it take a bunch of us to cancel our service and go to Direct TV to get them to finally start adding HD channels?HIGHLY probable.

Which equipment does Waco use? Dallas uses Motorola boxes. Austin uses Scientific Atlanta.

I'm not sure what they use. I live in the Dallas-area as well and have a Motorola box. Like the unit, hate the iGuide. :)

How many are actually showing REAL HD content?
Are you getting at the fact that a lot of the new channels don't have enough HD content? or the so called "HD-lite"? Thus far, it looks like the new MPEG4 HD channels are not HD-lite, and they look VERY sharp when they are showing actual HD content (I'm already a big fan of women's volleyball in HD on Big Ten Network;)).

As a former TW sub, I've always been upset that they don't just change a few more analog-SD channels to digital-SD, which would make room for lots more HD channels, I know picking the channels to switch is not trivial for lots of reasons, but the bandwidth savings are immediate

As of 9/15, 4 analogs were dropped from TWC-NYC, freeing up bandwidth for about a dozen HD channels. One small part of the city continues to get 6 HD channels the other 95% don't get.

So far absolutely NO HD channels have been added, nor have any been announced. AND it appears UnHD has been dropped from the channel listings indicating it may be dropped as a channel... although it seems to still be there.



I am a TWC Hudson Valley/Orange customer. TWC this month dropped analog Showtime, TMC and Cinamax and I believe one other channel.
UnvHD still appears on the on screen guide channel lineup here. The website channel lineup is very out of date for my area.

Are you getting at the fact that a lot of the new channels don't have enough HD content?Correct.

How many are actually showing REAL HD content?

This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the cable or satellite system one is subscribed to.

In addition, it is very possible for the channel itself to produce a visibly better SD product via their HD channels because they CAN do some amount of processing with professional level equipment. One example is Curb Your Enthusiasm... clearly 4:3 SD, but compare the HD with the SD channel and you'll see the image looks much BETTER on the HD channel.

In addition, it is very possible for the channel itself to produce a visibly better SD product via their HD channels because they CAN do some amount of processing with professional level equipment. One example is Curb Your Enthusiasm... clearly 4:3 SD, but compare the HD with the SD channel and you'll see the image looks much BETTER on the HD channel.

This is simply due to the fact that the pipe that the SD content is being sent down (the HD channel vs. the SD channel) is approx. 6 times wider than the pipe that the SD channel is being sent down.....hence less data is being sent on the SD version of the channel (and more compression applied), so the picture on the HD version of the channel will be closer to what is on the master SD tape (disc? file? whatever they use these days ;) ).

Scott

This is simply due to the fact that the pipe that the SD content is being sent down (the HD channel vs. the SD channel) is approx. 6 times wider than the pipe that the SD channel is being sent down.....hence less data is being sent on the SD version of the channel (and more compression applied), so the picture will be closer to what is on the master SD tape (disc? file? whatever they use these days ;) ).

Scott:cool:So if I’m following you correctly… instead of calling TW and complaining about my picture, I should call a plumber?:p:D

One example is Curb Your Enthusiasm..Joe Pepitone jersey :D:D That show is too funny!

:cool:So if I’m following you correctly… instead of calling TW and complaining about my picture, I should call a plumber?:p:D
Yeah....and tell 'em that you want to get your water from a different source -- that the one we're getting it from now is too polluted, while you're at it. ;)

Of course, by "pipe", I mean to say "QAM frequency slot".

I found an article at Engadget posted a few days ago, suggesting TWC was going to add new HD channels secretly/quietly in October. I'm not holding my breath here, but if this turns out to be true, what are they thinking?!! They need to let their customers know this kind of stuff before we bail on them and go to Direct Tv!! (I really do hope this is true though)

Link: http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/24/time-warner-cables-new-hd-channels-in-october/

"Some providers can't stop talking about when they'll add new HD channels, while others would rather keep things under wraps 'till the new programming goes live. While both strategies have their advantages, not communicating with your customers is usually not a good idea. It appears now that TWC has quite a few plans for HD expansion in October, as customers in at least one market can expect to see many of the same channels DirecTV has been touting including, TBS HD, The History Channel HD, CNN HD, Lifetime Movies HD, and Food Network HD. While TBS HD is expected to go live in time for the MLB playoffs on October 1st, the rest are expected on October 15th. We can only assume that TWC and Bright House Networks customers all over the country will see these channels around the same time, but without a specific announcement, your guess is as good as ours."

I found an article at Engadget posted a few days ago, suggesting TWC was going to add new HD channels secretly/quietly in October. I'm not holding my breath here, but if this turns out to be true, what are they thinking?!! [/B]

Why don't you just read the last couple of pages in this thread? In fact, read the first post in this thread.

New HD channels for TWCSC are active in the guide now. However, if you attempt to tune to the channel, you get the dreaded "You are not Authorized" message:mad:

I found an article at Engadget posted a few days ago, suggesting TWC was going to add new HD channels secretly/quietly in October. I'm not holding my breath here, but if this turns out to be true, what are they thinking?!! They need to let their customers know this kind of stuff before we bail on them and go to Direct Tv!! (I really do hope this is true though)

Link: http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/24/time-warner-cables-new-hd-channels-in-october/

"Some providers can't stop talking about when they'll add new HD channels, while others would rather keep things under wraps 'till the new programming goes live. While both strategies have their advantages, not communicating with your customers is usually not a good idea. It appears now that TWC has quite a few plans for HD expansion in October, as customers in at least one market can expect to see many of the same channels DirecTV has been touting including, TBS HD, The History Channel HD, CNN HD, Lifetime Movies HD, and Food Network HD. While TBS HD is expected to go live in time for the MLB playoffs on October 1st, the rest are expected on October 15th. We can only assume that TWC and Bright House Networks customers all over the country will see these channels around the same time, but without a specific announcement, your guess is as good as ours."

Keeping quiet probably avoids national attention so that regional TWC outlets can do as they see fit. Sucks for me as I'd like TBS HD for the MLB playoffs.

Time Warner has turned on CNN HD in Texas. Anderson Cooper is now playing in HD (no stretching like TBS HD and TNT HD).

Time Warner has turned on CNN HD in Texas. Anderson Cooper is now playing in HD (no stretching like TBS HD and TNT HD).

Not in north Texas.

TMCHD, TBSHD, HGTVHD, LMCHD, Food NetworkHD, HistoryHD, and CNNHD are now live on TWCSC.

This is simply due to the fact that the pipe that the SD content is being sent down (the HD channel vs. the SD channel) is approx. 6 times wider than the pipe that the SD channel is being sent down.....hence less data is being sent on the SD version of the channel (and more compression applied), so the picture on the HD version of the channel will be closer to what is on the master SD tape (disc? file? whatever they use these days ;) ).

Scott

Wow, very interesting. Never really thought that a SD pipe would essentially degrade what they stated with. Visually to me it does look like enhancement (less artifacts, slightly sharper).

BTW, since the 4 analogs were dropped, I don't think I've seen one audio drop-out, which reinforces my speculation it was much about squeezed bandwidth. NOW I'm curious if the rate shaping you caught them doing (recordings took up less disk space) is still holding?

Not in north Texas.

Not in San Antonio either, which is odd considering it is usually one of the first TWC markets to add new HD channels.

BTW, since the 4 analogs were dropped, I don't think I've seen one audio drop-out, which reinforces my speculation it was much about squeezed bandwidth. NOW I'm curious if the rate shaping you caught them doing (recordings took up less disk space) is still holding?

I think that the data rate reduction still holds, although I haven't payed close attention in the last couple of days. The way to find out would be to check how many HD channels are being squeezed into the same QAM frequencies in the diagnostic mode. The more channels they squeeze into the same bandwidth, the more the signal for each of the channels becomes compressed. The different channels' bandwidth allocation varies at this point because some QAM frequencies are sharing more channels than others -- it's just related to the way that TWC has assigned HD channels to frequencies.

My fear is that if we do get TBS-HD, they will squeeze it into an already-crowded QAM frequency, thus reducing the bandwidth to some channels that we already get. :(

This is definitely what happened when they added the last round of HD channels in NYC (ESPN2HD was one of them).....

For what it's worth, you'll note that a posting on another thread has confirmed that the analog channels have not actually been dropped yet, so this will have no affect whatsoever on anything that we're observing.

The reduction in dropouts (and I *think* I've noticed it too) could be related to any number of things that they've done from replacing a faulty component somewhere in your signal path, putting in a new signal amplifier in your neighborhood, or any of hundreds of other small things that affect the signal to your cable box....

Scott

Wow, very interesting. Never really thought that a SD pipe would essentially degrade what they stated with. Visually to me it does look like enhancement (less artifacts, slightly sharper).

Note that the quality of the SD channels is also related to the number of channels that they squeeze into the same QAM frequency. The SD channels could have near-HD quality if they allocated the full bandwidth and didn't apply any compression to them, but TWC compresses them and puts MANY MANY SD channels on the same QAM frequency. My guess is that even the SD channels would look SIGNIFICANTLY better on Verizon FIOS which, I believe, does not compress the channels.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong in my belief.)

Scott

Uggh - does anyone know the status of Center Ice let alone if there will be any games in HD?

Also what about the South Bay in LA? Any new channels planned in the very near future, how about KTLA-HD?


Thanks.

Uggh - does anyone know the status of Center Ice let alone if there will be any games in HD?

Also what about the South Bay in LA? Any new channels planned in the very near future, how about KTLA-HD?


Thanks.

I've read that the negotiations may be stuck on the inclusion of the NHL Network as part of the package.

Note that the quality of the SD channels is also related to the number of channels that they squeeze into the same QAM frequency. The SD channels could have near-HD quality if they allocated the full bandwidth and didn't apply any compression to them, but TWC compresses them and puts MANY MANY SD channels on the same QAM frequency. My guess is that even the SD channels would look SIGNIFICANTLY better on Verizon FIOS which, I believe, does not compress the channels.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong in my belief.)

Scott
After conversion from fibre to RF, Verizon FiOS uses the SAME QAM-256 moduation
technique as cable, compressing (via STATMUX) many SD channels on each carrier.

The output of the FiOS Converter looks EXACTLY like a cable coax feed,
with a bunch of analog channels below CH100 and then a bunch of
QAM-256 digital carriers carrying MPEG2 compressed SD and HD programs.
This means you can directly connect a CableCARD equipped DCR HDTV or TiVo Series 3.

I've read that the negotiations may be stuck on the inclusion of the NHL Network as part of the package.

That's what I figured.

TMCHD, TBSHD, HGTVHD, LMCHD, Food NetworkHD, HistoryHD, and CNNHD are now live on TWCSC.

We don't have any of those in Milwaukee, WI. :mad: I am really looking forward to Food and HGTV HD.

Pat

Wilmington, NC is getting TBS-HD, Golf/Vs, and MTV HD over the next couple of weeks.

Hopefully this can be trusted (from the TWC-NY thread)

Here it is, the officially word, just received via email.

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I am happy to inform you that TBS-HD will be available on the Time Warner New York City and New Jeresey cable systems as of Monday, October 1, 2007. Below is the TBS-HDchannel location for each system:

Manhattan, Brookly and Queens - Channel 708
New Jersey - Channel 774
Mount Vernon - Channel 775
Hudson Valley - Channel 726

Please feel free to share this information with your neighbors and friends. Thank you for your interest in our programming and for being a Time Warner Cable customer.

Sincerely,

Robert Watson
VP of Programming and New Business Development