Note that the quality of the SD channels is also related to the number of channels that they squeeze into the same QAM frequency. The SD channels could have near-HD quality if they allocated the full bandwidth and didn't apply any compression to them, but TWC compresses them and puts MANY MANY SD channels on the same QAM frequency. My guess is that even the SD channels would look SIGNIFICANTLY better on Verizon FIOS which, I believe, does not compress the channels.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong in my belief.)

Scott

This is absolutely correct. Basically this is the difference between having a SD MPEG2 movie compressed to the size to fit on a DVD or compressed to fit on a CD. Even though the resolution is the same between an SD channel showing SD and and HD channel showing SD, the bitrate is MUCH higher on the HD channel and thus there is less compression.

xnappo

http://www.timewarnercable.com/InvestorRelations/PressReleases/TWCPressReleaseDivDetail.ashx?PRID=1810&MarketID=50

Official TBS-HD confirmation for TWC-NY/NJ


TIME WARNER CABLE TO LAUNCH FREE PREVIEW OF TBS HD MONDAY, OCTOBER 1, IN TIME FOR MLB PLAYOFFS

New York, NY – September 28, 2007 – Time Warner Cable (TWC) today announced that it had reached an agreement to add TBS HD to its high-definition line-up on Monday, October 1st, before the start of the Major League Baseball Divisional Playoffs, which will be carried by TBS.

TBS HD will be offered to digital customers, at no additional charge, as a free preview for the month of October. It is expected that TBS HD will officially launch on November 1st to Time Warner Cable of New York and New Jersey digital customers, at no additional charge, on Channel 708 in Manhattan, Queens, Staten Island and Brooklyn, on Channel 775 in Mt. Vernon, on Channel 726 in Hudson Valley and on Channel 774 in New Jersey.

“We know that watching the playoffs in high definition is really important to our customers, and we’re pleased that we were able to reach an agreement to launch before the first game,” said Barbara Kelly, Senior Vice President and General Manager, Time Warner Cable of New York and New Jersey. “Time Warner Cable’s high-definition lineup continues to grow at a rapid pace. With the launch of TBS HD, customers will have access to over 20 channels of high-definition sports and entertainment.”

Beginning October 3rd, TBS HD will carry all Division Series games and the National League Championship Series (NLCS). All MLB Postseason games will be shot in HD. A full schedule of the games is available at www.tbs.com/sports/mlb.

What about Maine???????? for TBSHD????

http://www.timewarnercable.com/InvestorRelations/PressReleases/TWCPressReleaseDivDetail.ashx?PRID=1810&MarketID=50

Official TBS-HD confirmation for TWC-NY/NJ

damn thats great news... now how about they give us some of the other channels that other TWC cable users are getting (saw these in Rochester NY)

A&E HD
MTV HD to name a few

I don't think you want A&EHD and MHD. They both pretty much suck.

I don't think you want A&EHD and MHD. They both pretty much suck.

All cable channels pretty much suck. That is why we need them all so you can get the one show on each that doesn't :)

xnappo

I don't think you want A&EHD and MHD. They both pretty much suck.

Personal programming preferences suck worse.

Well, I just got off the phone with TWC-Syracuse, and I got a "slightly" better answer than the guy from the other night. The guy from the other night said they had no plans on adding TBS-HD in time for the MLB playoffs. The woman today said they "might" have TBS-HD added in time. Now that's no guarantee, but it's something to cling to. Also, the guy the other night made it seem like they weren't adding "any" new HD channels until 2008. Well, the woman today said a "number" of channels will be added in October. I'm assuming those will be the same channels you all have posted recently. I asked the woman, how they planned on letting their customers know when new channels are added. She said, they "might" make a note on our bills. What?!! Once again, I'm stunned by the secrecy and lack of communication from TWC. At least, the news I got today is a lot better than the other night.

Well, I just got off the phone with TWC-Syracuse, and I got a "slightly" better answer than the guy from the other night. The guy from the other night said they had no plans on adding TBS-HD in time for the MLB playoffs. The woman today said they "might" have TBS-HD added in time. Now that's no guarantee, but it's something to cling to. Also, the guy the other night made it seem like they weren't adding "any" new HD channels until 2008. Well, the woman today said a "number" of channels will be added in October. I'm assuming those will be the same channels you all have posted recently. I asked the woman, how they planned on letting their customers know when new channels are added. She said, they "might" make a note on our bills. What?!! Once again, I'm stunned by the secrecy and lack of communication from TWC. At least, the news I got today is a lot better than the other night.You realize don't you, that all they tell you is on their scripts (on their CRT) - and scripts do get changed.

CinemaxHD is now live on TWCSC.

All cable channels pretty much suck. That is why we need them all so you can get the one show on each that doesn't :)

xnappoI don't think you understand. The only real HD show A&EHD has is CSI Miami. And they play that more on a daily basis than TNTHD plays Law and Order :eek: MHD, is about 10 shows that on repeat 24/7.

Personal programming preferences suck worse.Huh?

You realize don't you, that all they tell you is on their scripts (on their CRT) - and scripts do get changed.
You know, I was expecting some "canned" answer from the people I talked to at TWC, but it didn't seem that way. They both were very nice, and we joked around a little. They even put me on hold to go ask someone else about the upcoming HD channels. If they had scripts, they did a fine job of acting. But, it's possible.

Huh?

Ok, I'll spell it out. What channels you like does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Plenty of people like the channels you say "suck".

Brighthouse is adding Discovery Science-HD, The Learning Channel-HD, Discovery-HD and Animal Planet-HD.

I guess that means TWC is good to go for thoses channels!

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/27/more-hd-bright-house-tv-viewers/?news-breaking

they are going to add the NHL network as well.

There are now 26 (http://www.timewarnercable.com/SouthCarolina/products/HDTVAvailableChannels.html) HD channels available on TWCSC.

Ok, I'll spell it out. What channels you like does not matter in the grand scheme of things. Plenty of people like the channels you say "suck".Oh, like you? Enjoy your CSI re-runs and 10 show repeats. A&EHD and MHD remind me of the Universal when it first came online.

I don't think you understand. The only real HD show A&EHD has is CSI Miami. And they play that more on a daily basis than TNTHD plays Law and Order :eek: MHD, is about 10 shows that on repeat 24/7.

BIUT much to their credit, MHD cut out Spears VMA peformance in the HD broadcasts of that show.

News
Time Warner to Add Fox Business Channel HD
The channel will launch next month.
By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (September 29, 2007) -- Time Warner Cable is adding Fox Business Channel HD to its high-def lineup in North Carolina markets.

That's according to an article by WRAL.com.

Fox Business Channel will launch on October 15 with both standard-def and HD channels. (The HD channel will be a simulcast of the standard-def signal.)

It's unclear if Time Warner will add the new HD channel in other markets. The cable operator normally negotiates the national rights to carry a channel and then allows the local system to decide if and when to add it.

Fox Business Channel will compete directly with CNBC for the business audience.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/twfox092907.htm

BIUT much to their credit, MHD cut out Spears VMA peformance in the HD broadcasts of that show.Ok, I'm going to give you +2 for that :)

Has anyone heard any information about Time Warner NE Wisconsin, more specifically in Green Bay? I fired an email off to them a couple of days ago, but I haven't heard anything back from them as of yet. I've seen other Time Warner franchises announce new channels in their systems, but TWC NE Wisconsin has been mum about any possible changes. If anyone can provide some info that would be fantastic. I'll post the reply I get from Time Warner if there's anything good in it. Thanks for the help.

Don't feel bad. I have tried to contact them via email and they never respond. Calling them is a waste. Your put on hold forever and when you do get someone they don't know when new channels will be available. Also what gets me upset is the lack of communication. Example: I found out by accident that they are offering free Showtime this weekend. Why didn't they notify customers? Oh, I lost my head. Dealing with Time Warner

TBS HD was added to Albany Time Warner Cable on Friday, September 28th. (channel 1805)

Don't feel bad. I have tried to contact them via email and they never respond. Calling them is a waste. Your put on hold forever and when you do get someone they don't know when new channels will be available. Also what gets me upset is the lack of communication. Example: I found out by accident that they are offering free Showtime this weekend. Why didn't they notify customers? Oh, I lost my head. Dealing with Time Warner

Ever read your bill or do you just throw it away? Your last bill clearly had the Showtime free preview with the dates on it.

Ever read your bill or do you just throw it away? Your last bill clearly had the Showtime free preview with the dates on it.
You sure as F better read your bill, when i had TW in the valley i had more incorrect bills than correct ones, the biggest f-up was when they charged me twice for ESPN Gameplan almost at the end of the football season. Printing info about previews and new channels on the bottom of the bill is good and all, but they really should also post that information on their website or maybe on one of the many "info" channels that they have, assuming customers read the fine print at the bottom of the bill is pretty weak

Wilmington, NC is getting TBS-HD, Golf/Vs, and MTV HD over the next couple of weeks.
We are? The only one listed on the TWC website is TBS. How did you find out about the other 2?

I have kind of a generic question about the future of HD. What exactly is the ultimate goal of HD programming? Will cable & satellite companies eventually offer ALL of their programming in HD? I realize not all HD is the same (eg. HD-Lite), but will we eventually see an end to SD programming? I just bought my first HDTV, and although some HD channels are better than others, I pretty much like them all. It's the SD channels that look terrible on an HDTV. Those channels look fine on a regular tv though.

If there is a better forum or website to answer these questions, could someone point them out to me.

We are? The only one listed on the TWC website is TBS. How did you find out about the other 2?
From the email from TWC.

Time Warner Cable will soon be adding the HD Channels of some of the best programming on television today. On October 1, HD subscribers will get TBS HD (channel 963). And on October 15, Versus/Golf HD (channel 964) and MTV HD (channel 965) will be added to the HD channel lineup.

I have kind of a generic question about the future of HD. What exactly is the ultimate goal of HD programming? Will cable & satellite companies eventually offer ALL of their programming in HD? I realize not all HD is the same (eg. HD-Lite), but will we eventually see an end to SD programming? I just bought my first HDTV, and although some HD channels are better than others, I pretty much like them all. It's the SD channels that look terrible on an HDTV. Those channels look fine on a regular tv though.

If there is a better forum or website to answer these questions, could someone point them out to me.

SD channels don't look terrible on all HDTV's. They generally look fine on my Samsung plasma, and I'm sure they do on other sets too. Unfortunate that they don't look good on your model.

As you know, the cable and satellite carriers don't originate programming, so your question really is about whether all the broadcasters will provide all of their programs in HD, rather than SD or analog. I'll go out on a limb and say. perhaps. The cameras for capturing HD are more expensive, the bandwidth required is significantly greater and there is a large archive of programming that was not created in a format that will benefit from HD. It will be interesting to se what others have to say.

Bernie

Not in Southern California. We don't get anything here. God I hate Time Warner. I read on engadget that the person in charge of negotiating programming doesn't even have an HDTV.

Not in Southern California. We don't get anything here. God I hate Time Warner. I read on engadget that the person in charge of negotiating programming doesn't even have an HDTV.

no, but she's going to buy one soon.

Will cable & satellite companies eventually offer ALL of their programming in HD?
Yes, because soon they will realize they can fill the sidebars for SD legacy programming with advertising -- a new revenue stream!

no, but she's going to buy one soon.

Oh just after the MLB Divisional Series I assume.

SD channels don't look terrible on all HDTV's. They generally look fine on my Samsung plasma, and I'm sure they do on other sets too. Unfortunate that they don't look good on your model.

As you know, the cable and satellite carriers don't originate programming, so your question really is about whether all the broadcasters will provide all of their programs in HD, rather than SD or analog. I'll go out on a limb and say. perhaps. The cameras for capturing HD are more expensive, the bandwidth required is significantly greater and there is a large archive of programming that was not created in a format that will benefit from HD. It will be interesting to se what others have to say.

Bernie
I have the new Samsung LNT4671F (46" LCD) and the tv is amazing, especially showing HD content. But, SD looks pretty bad. I've seen a number of HDTV's and have yet to see one of them that shows SD well. Also, from what I've read online, most people don't like the SD picture on their HDTVs. Maybe you are the exception. Ofcourse, describing the quality of a picture is pretty subjective. Are you saying the SD channels on your HDTV look as good or better than if they were shown on a standard CRT tv?

I have the new Samsung LNT4671F (46" LCD) and the tv is amazing, especially showing HD content. But, SD looks pretty bad. I've seen a number of HDTV's and have yet to see one of them that shows SD well. Also, from what I've read online, most people don't like the SD picture on their HDTVs. Maybe you are the exception. Ofcourse, describing the quality of a picture is pretty subjective. Are you saying the SD channels on your HDTV look as good or better than if they were shown on a standard CRT tv?
unless you're over 10 feet away SD will look crappy on a 46" screen, it's just to low of a resolution for how large the image is, especially if it's SD-digital (which TW also seems to overcompress), some of the SD analogs are ok if you have a really good signal, but they'll still look like shite compared to HD (as expected)

I have the new Samsung LNT4671F (46" LCD) and the tv is amazing, especially showing HD content. But, SD looks pretty bad. I've seen a number of HDTV's and have yet to see one of them that shows SD well. Also, from what I've read online, most people don't like the SD picture on their HDTVs. Maybe you are the exception. Of course, describing the quality of a picture is pretty subjective. Are you saying the SD channels on your HDTV look as good or better than if they were shown on a standard CRT tv?

As you say, it is subjective, and it also varies a lot by channel. But often the SD broadcast looks good to great. For instance right now my wife has the Wedding Channel on (I didn't even realize there is a Wedding Channel, WeTV). It is a digital, SD channel with a 4:3 image and we get it via TWC. The picture looks very good. Better than pictures look on any of our four other analog TV's that are corrected directly to cable (so we don't get the digital channels on those TV's). It looks better whether I am 10 feet away which is our normal viewing distance or standing close to the screen to see prior to writing this message. Doing this from memory I'd say that The Colbert Report on Comedy Central doesn't looks as good, but it certainly is very, very acceptable.

But HD broadcasts that were photographed in HD do look even better. 3-D like many times.

I did use the Avia setup DVD when the set was new to make some adjustments. The biggest single improvement came in adjusting the tint (I think that is what it was) with the green filter that is included with the disk.

Bernie

I have the new Samsung LNT4671F (46" LCD) and the tv is amazing, especially showing HD content. But, SD looks pretty bad. I've seen a number of HDTV's and have yet to see one of them that shows SD well. Also, from what I've read online, most people don't like the SD picture on their HDTVs. Maybe you are the exception. Ofcourse, describing the quality of a picture is pretty subjective. Are you saying the SD channels on your HDTV look as good or better than if they were shown on a standard CRT tv?

If you are using a Scientific Altanta HD converter try changing it to output only 720p and 1080i resolutions thus doing SD conversions in the box.

unless you're over 10 feet away SD will look crappy on a 46" screen, it's just to low of a resolution for how large the image is, especially if it's SD-digital (which TW also seems to overcompress), some of the SD analogs are ok if you have a really good signal, but they'll still look like shite compared to HD (as expected)
That seems to make sense. I do have digital TWC, and they do seem to compress thier digital channels. I can't imagine any SD channels looking very good on a 46" LCD. That's why I hope they eventually all go to some form of HD. I don't mean to suggest the SD channels are so bad that they are unwatchable, but it reminds me of what you might see if you were to take a .JPG image on a computer and blow it up. Fuzzy and/or pixelated. I did go out and by a new DVD player that upconverts my standard DVDs to 1080p, and the difference is amazing! (OPPO brand. GREAT DVD player!)

That seems to make sense. I do have digital TWC, and they do seem to compress thier digital channels. I can't imagine any SD channels looking very good on a 46" LCD. That's why I hope they eventually all go to some form of HD. I don't mean to suggest the SD channels are so bad that they are unwatchable, but it reminds me of what you might see if you were to take a .JPG image on a computer and blow it up. Fuzzy and/or pixelated. I did go out and by a new DVD player that upconverts my standard DVDs to 1080p, and the difference is amazing! (OPPO brand. GREAT DVD player!)

In my earlier posts about SD looking very acceptable on the channels that we watch in SD, I should have mentioned that my HDTV is a 50" Samsung 1080i plasma.

News
Time Warner Adding More HD Channels
San Antonio viewers will get more Starz in high-def.
By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (October 1, 2007) -- Time Warner Cable is adding four more high-def channels in the San Antonio area, according to the San Antonio Express-News.

On October 15, Time Warner will add The History Channel HD in San Antonio, and on October 20, it will add Starz Comedy HD, Starz Kids & Family HD and Starz Edge HD.

There's no word when -- or if -- Time Warner will add the high-def channels in other markets.

The cable operator negotiates the national rights to carry channels and then allows local systems to decide if and when to carry them.

Time Warner, and other major cable operators, are enhancing their high-def lineups now, apparently in response to DIRECTV's plan to offer 70 HD channels by the end of October and 100 HD channels by year's end.

DIRECTV added The History Channel HD and the three Starz HD channels last week as part of its initial rollout of new high-def networks.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/twhd100107.htm

I have TWC, and I have a 42" Samsung plasma. I think SD on a Samsung is only as good as the SD signal. The Samsung doesn't seem to do much upconversion, as I've seen some horribly pixelated SD signals, like on the Encore channels, while I've also seen some very nice SD signals, like the Disney Channel and IFC.

Starz Comedy-HD, Starz Edge-HD, Starz Kids & Family-HD has been added to the "Known Deals Done With TWC" section.
Launching only in TWC of San Antonio for now.

I can't imagine any SD channels looking very good on a 46" LCD. That's why I hope they eventually all go to some form of HD. I don't mean to suggest the SD channels are so bad that they are unwatchable, but it reminds me of what you might see if you were to take a .JPG image on a computer and blow it up. Fuzzy and/or pixelated.

If you are using a Scientific Altanta HD converter try changing it to output only 720p and 1080i resolutions thus doing SD conversions in the box.

Again, refer to this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11511729#post11511729) post.

I have TWC, and I have a 42" Samsung plasma. I think SD on a Samsung is only as good as the SD signal. The Samsung doesn't seem to do much upconversion, as I've seen some horribly pixelated SD signals, like on the Encore channels, while I've also seen some very nice SD signals, like the Disney Channel and IFC.Not sure what you are trying to say here (particularly "The Samsung doesn't seem to do much upconversion"). If your Sammy gets a 480i signal it will ALWAYS upconvert it to the displays native display rate. The business of pixelated SD signals simply means that the TW signal is low or IT is pixellated. The Sammy does not have much to do with that (other than having user settings that exaggerate the pixellation).

TBS-HD just added here in Northeast OH just in time for MLB Playoffs - will wonders ever cease?

Maybe I'm just being too picky about how the picture looks. I have the Scientific Atlanta 8300HDC from TWC. When I tune to a digital SD channel (eg. Fox News Channel), the display on the box says 1080i. I went through the settings on the cable box and I don't see where I can change that at all. So, I'm guessing it's upconverting to 1080i. The picture looks a little "fuzzy" to me. I don't expect it to be HD, but I was hoping it might be close to as good as it was on my old CRT 36" tv. But,.. the picture is being blown up to a larger size and resolution, so I guess it will only look as good as the the upconversion algorithm that gets applied to it by the cable box. Am I way off base here, or am I close? I'm no expert on this stuff. It just amazes me at how good of a job my OPPO DVD Player upconverts my standard DVDs to 1080p. It's close to HD quality! Why can't the cable box do a better job? Or, back to my original question, will TWC eventually switch all channels over to HD?

It just amazes me at how good of a job my OPPO DVD Player upconverts my standard DVDs to 1080p. It's close to HD quality! Why can't the cable box do a better job?

The DVD player is upconverting 480i. The cable box is upconverting compressed 480i.

The DVD player is upconverting 480i. The cable box is upconverting compressed 480i.
Actually the DVD player is also upconverting compressed 480i, it's just that the bit-rate on a DVD is probably about twice that of the SD-digital channels on TW (both are mpeg2)

From the email from TWC.
Ahhh..I am not on the email list, apparently. Thank for the information. :)

Again, refer to this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11511729#post11511729) post.

Sorry for the dumb question, but when I took a look at the post that you linked to, saw a reference to a 'pass through' setting. I have changed my box setting to 1080, but what is pass through? Thanks for the help.

Actually the DVD player is also upconverting compressed 480i, it's just that the bit-rate on a DVD is probably about twice that of the SD-digital channels on TW (both are mpeg2)

This also varies from city to city. TWC Austin put off digital simulcast until they had SDV in place so they could use a higher bit rate. Our digital channels look quite good. I think they are doing 8 per non-switched QAM which is about 4.8 mbps. DVD is usually around 6.6 mbps.

xnappo

Ever read your bill or do you just throw it away? Your last bill clearly had the Showtime free preview with the dates on it.

I pay with Pay Express. I don't get a bill by mail. And no. It wasn't on my Pay Express bill online either.

TBS HD is coming to Cincinnati in time for the playoffs.

Time Warner Adds TBS HD For Baseball Playoffs

Good news for HDTV owners with Time Warner Cable: TBS HD will be added by Time Warner on Wednesday, in time for the baseball playoffs.

TBS HD will debut Wednesday as Channel 980 on the HD standard tier. It will be available at no additional charge to Time Warner subscribers who have standard HDTV service or above, a HDTV set and HDTV receiver, says Karen Baxter, local Time Warner public affairs director.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/tv/2007/10/time-warner-adds-tbs-hd-for-baseball.asp

According to the person I talked to today, the "VP" [I assume of the SYR division] sent an email yesterday to the effect that TW was "talking to TBS" about carriage, but nothing was finalized." "New channels would be added in 2008."

According to the person I talked to today, the "VP" [I assume of the SYR division] sent an email yesterday to the effect that TW was "talking to TBS" about carriage, but nothing was finalized." "New channels would be added in 2008."
Well, that's not good. I was hoping for a "few" new HD channels in October, or sometime before the new year. This does jive with what the "first" person told me when I called TWC-Syracuse. The second person gave me hope that TBS-HD and a few others would be added this month. Did the person give you an indication of how many HD channels would be added? I'm really hoping for USA-HD and SciFi-HD.

Here in NE Wisconsin, we haven't had so much as a peep about any new channels. Either they are planning something big, or more likely, they're planning nothing at all. TWC seems to be stuck on adding people to the triple play plans, rather than improving their current service. They haven't even added TBS-HD, a channel that TW owns. TWC needs to get their act together and improve their existing service and back up their claims of "virtually unlimited" capacity for HD channels. Has anyone heard anything about new anything for TWC NE Wisconsin? Thanks.

They added, TBS. So hopefully it's a sign of things to come. Thanks TWC.

No news here in LA/OC about any new HD channels. Last new things we got were ESPN2 and KCAL 9 (a local syndication channel) on HD, along with a PPV HD channel. I was hoping that TBS-HD would arrive in time for the baseball playoffs.

I pay with Pay Express. I don't get a bill by mail. And no. It wasn't on my Pay Express bill online either.

It wasn't on my mailed bill either.

Portland ME added TBS-HD yesterday (10/1) and also Fox SportsNet (or is it Comcast SportsNet now?)-HD, although the later has not had any programming to date. Just a variety of logos.

Portland ME added TBS-HD yesterday (10/1) and also Fox SportsNet (or is it Comcast SportsNet now?)-HD, although the later has not had any programming to date. Just a variety of logos.

Last year, the channel showed Celtic home games on TWC in the Augusta area. There have also been a very few football games. 99% of the time the channel is blank or with logo only. (Waste of bandwidth)

No news here in LA/OC about any new HD channels. Last new things we got were ESPN2 and KCAL 9 (a local syndication channel) on HD, along with a PPV HD channel. I was hoping that TBS-HD would arrive in time for the baseball playoffs.

I currently have the MOXI, and on the HDTV menu it shows the Science Channel but when you watch it it's not HD. Oh and I'm out in Ventura County.

Well, that's not good. I was hoping for a "few" new HD channels in October, or sometime before the new year. This does jive with what the "first" person told me when I called TWC-Syracuse. The second person gave me hope that TBS-HD and a few others would be added this month. Did the person give you an indication of how many HD channels would be added? I'm really hoping for USA-HD and SciFi-HD.

The CSR had no specifics

Here in NE Wisconsin, we haven't had so much as a peep about any new channels. Either they are planning something big, or more likely, they're planning nothing at all. TWC seems to be stuck on adding people to the triple play plans, rather than improving their current service. They haven't even added TBS-HD, a channel that TW owns. TWC needs to get their act together and improve their existing service and back up their claims of "virtually unlimited" capacity for HD channels. Has anyone heard anything about new anything for TWC NE Wisconsin? Thanks.

TBS-HD is up in NE Wisconsin as of 5:30 PM today, Tuesday, Oct. 2nd.

Very surprised they came through before the MLB Divisional Series.

DIRECTV says it will have 70 HDTV channels this month and 100 high-def channels by year's end. (It now has 31 national HD channels).
So, will your cable TV provider be able to match it?
Short answer: NO.

Read the whole story;

http://www.tvpredictions.com/cable100100207.htm

I do not beleive they will be able to match it in 2008. jmo

DIRECTV says it will have 70 HDTV channels this month and 100 high-def channels by year's end. (It now has 31 national HD channels).
So, will your cable TV provider be able to match it?
Short answer: NO.

Read the whole story;

http://www.tvpredictions.com/cable100100207.htm

I do not beleive they will be able to match it in 2008. jmo
Quote from the article: "But just don't expect 100 HD channels anytime soon."

I agree the cable companies are way behind in HD, but they seem to be scrambling and doing everything they can to get more HD channels added, to be able to compete with the satellite companies. I'm guessing the cable companies (TWC specifically), WILL have close to 100 HD channels by the END of 2008. They kind of have to if they don't want to lose all of their customers to satellite, don't they? I mean, I'm willing to be patient and give them another year to add a good number of HD channels, but I wouldn't be willing to go much beyond that. My $3000 HDTV is hungry for more HD! If SDV is as great as they say it is, 100 HD channels should be no sweat by the end of 2008. I can't imagine it would take that long to work out deals with the broadcasters either. Anyone agree/disagree?

Quote from the article: "But just don't expect 100 HD channels anytime soon."

I agree the cable companies are way behind in HD, but they seem to be scrambling and doing everything they can to get more HD channels added, to be able to compete with the satellite companies. I'm guessing the cable companies (TWC specifically), WILL have close to 100 HD channels by the END of 2008. They kind of have to if they don't want to lose all of their customers to satellite, don't they? I mean, I'm willing to be patient and give them another year to add a good number of HD channels, but I wouldn't be willing to go much beyond that. My $3000 HDTV is hungry for more HD! If SDV is as great as they say it is, 100 HD channels should be no sweat by the end of 2008. I can't imagine it would take that long to work out deals with the broadcasters either. Anyone agree/disagree?
I've been a cable subscriber for about 25 years now, in my Los Angeles area. And I have never seen a cable company move at that great a pace. I think it is absolutely out of the question that we will have 100 HD channels by the end of 2008. At the moment if you count ALL the premiums, PPVs, screen savers and vapor molecules you'll see that we have 14 HD channels total. So the number of channels would have to grow well over 500% in one year to get to 100. There is just no way. I mean absolutely no way.

If you look at the latest forecasts and predictions. You'll see that as of now, TWC plans to add 5 new HD channels in the first quarter/half of 2008. That's five new channels. :) Need I say more.

Rudy

Rudy, I'm not disagreeing with you completely, but my local TWC is adding 10 new HD channels this month. So it's a little bit better than that. But that's still a long way from 100.

The new stations TWC-San Diego promised us going live on October 2 (Versus/Golf HD and KSWB-HD) did not. According to messages on hdtv.forsandiego.com in the Time-Warner forum, they goofed and told use they'll go live as of 12:01 PDT 10/03/2007.

We'll wait and see.

FYI, we did not have TBSHD in San Diego for Monday's Padres/Rockies game.

I pay with Pay Express. I don't get a bill by mail. And no. It wasn't on my Pay Express bill online either.

I pay the same way. Clearly on my bill, upper right hand corner.

Quote from the article: "But just don't expect 100 HD channels anytime soon."

I agree the cable companies are way behind in HD, but they seem to be scrambling and doing everything they can to get more HD channels added, to be able to compete with the satellite companies. I'm guessing the cable companies (TWC specifically), WILL have close to 100 HD channels by the END of 2008. They kind of have to if they don't want to lose all of their customers to satellite, don't they?

and by this time next year how many channels will satellite have? TWC have been playing catchup all year and next year they'll be doing the same. Except the difference will be larger.

If TWC have a 100HD channels by the end of next year I'll be watching for airborne pigs. They have to fix the abomination they call Navigator in that same time frame and they haven't made much progress there.

I don't care about TWC adding 100 HD channels. I care about them adding the 10 or so HD channels I actually want.

looks like TWC are playing the desperation card:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/products/cable/HDTV/raleighNewHDChannels.html

FREE HD! FREE HD!

It's also funny how they list all the OTA locals in the FREE HD list.

Just thought I'd let ya'll know that TWC austin added CNN-HD about a week ago on schedule.

I don't care about TWC adding 100 HD channels. I care about them adding the 10 or so HD channels I actually want.
That's a good point. I can't think of 100 channels that I would watch on a regular basis. It's the quality of the channels that they add that is important. I can understand the frustration of some of you with the slow pace of HD channels being added, but I guess my point is, they ARE adding channels. Every time I come to this forum new channels are added to different markets. My guess is, the channels being added will eventually spread to all markets. Maybe my assumption is incorrect. I REALLY don't want to have to switch to satellite. My good friend has satellite (DTV), and quite frankly, it sucks. But, if I don't see some quality HD channels added to TWC within the next year, I will jump ship.

The new stations TWC-San Diego promised us going live on October 2 (Versus/Golf HD and KSWB-HD) did not. According to messages on hdtv.forsandiego.com in the Time-Warner forum, they goofed and told use they'll go live as of 12:01 PDT 10/03/2007.

We'll wait and see.

FYI, we did not have TBSHD in San Diego for Monday's Padres/Rockies game.

Update: Versus/Golf HD (767) and KSWB-HD (CW HD channel) (705) now active as of 7:30 AM PDT 10/03/07. Still no TBS-HD. :(

I don't care about TWC adding 100 HD channels. I care about them adding the 10 or so HD channels I actually want.

This is exactly how I feel! 90% of the channels that are discussed are of no interest to me whatsoever. Just junk cluttering up and wasting bandwidth as far as I am concerned.

looks like TWC are playing the desperation card:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/products/cable/HDTV/raleighNewHDChannels.html

FREE HD! FREE HD!

It's also funny how they list all the OTA locals in the FREE HD list.

NEW on October 15, 2007

Versus/Golf Channel HD will offer simulcasts of Golf from noon-7 p.m. and of Versus from 7 p.m.-midnight. Versus/Golf Channel HD will feature National Hockey League games and pro boxing from Versus and PGA golf coverage from Golf.

Lucky bastards...I've been waiting for this in NYC since last spring. Maybe they add it here too on the 15th? Would be nice, but I won't hold my breath.

Ever read your bill or do you just throw it away? Your last bill clearly had the Showtime free preview with the dates on it.

They must be using invisible ink, nothing of the sort is on my last TWC bill. I even held it up to the light... nothing.

Yes, because soon they will realize they can fill the sidebars for SD legacy programming with advertising -- a new revenue stream!

Oh NOOOOOOO, quick, log this guys details. When the start doing this, we WILL send a hit squad to him! I already see a paper print of your post zooming it's way around the TWC executives suites... once they all get back from their 4 week company holiday out in Tahiti.

Yes, because soon they will realize they can fill the sidebars for SD legacy programming with advertising -- a new revenue stream!

Oh NOOOOOOO, quick, log this guys details. When the start doing this, we WILL send a hit squad to him! I already see a paper print of your post zooming it's way around the TWC executives suites... once they all get back from their 4 week company holiday out in Tahiti.
HAH!!! TW would never do this, because I'm pretty sure nobody at TW realizes that this blank area of the screen exists on their HD channels, because, well, nobody who works for TW has an HD TV!!! :p

Time Warner Desert Cities (Coachella Valley--Palm Springs and environs) has just gone live with ESPN2HD and Golf Versus HD, the first new HD channels in several years. This may be related to the implementation of SDV, which was supposed to have been working by the third quarter.

No word on TBSHD, so apparently no playoffs in HD until Fox shows up.

The DVD player is upconverting 480i. The cable box is upconverting compressed 480i.

First, DVD content very much IS compressed. As is the signal you get from your cable/satellite outlet. Neither distribution method would work at all uncompressed

There very much IS an issue with the "how much" part. That can vary from cable guys, but is generally slightly more consistent with DVDs (although it can vary there as well).

Time Warner Desert Cities (Coachella Valley--Palm Springs and environs) has just gone live with ESPN2HD and Golf Versus HD, the first new HD channels in several years. This may be related to the implementation of SDV, which was supposed to have been working by the third quarter.

No word on TBSHD, so apparently no playoffs in HD until Fox shows up.

Ouch! From what I read, TBS has ALL of Round 1, and most of round 2.

In my market, I think it was 2 added HD channels in 2007 (we did have to [part time HD channels that went full time, but you can't count that because all their HD programming we used to get, so it was just a bunch of added filler that we "got." AND we are supposed to be one of the 2 biggest media capitals in the country.

Time Warner Mid Ohio just announced TBS-HD to be added here as well:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MidOhio/highlights/highlight2.html

First, DVD content very much IS compressed.

Old news.

Turn on current news you'll find out you're getting FIOS.

FiOSTV Coming to NYC
15-year franchise agreement negotiated in secret...
01:00PM Wednesday Oct 03 2007 by Karl

Verizon has been conducting conversations with NYC leaders in secret, and are poised to strike a 15-year franchise agreement that could bring FiOSTV to the city, notes the NY Daily News. The paper complains that the secret negotiations leaves locals (and the city council) completely unsure if the deal includes any consumer protections:
Mayor Bloomberg's aides have conducted all the Verizon talks in virtual secrecy. They refuse to share their strategy with the City Council, which authorized the franchise talks in a resolution last year. "People keep calling me and asking, 'When are we getting a Verizon deal?' I tell them, I have no idea," said City Councilman Tony Avella (D-Queens), who heads the city's Franchise and Concessions Committee. Avella says he has tried for 18 months to schedule a City Council public hearing on the cable contracts, but Speaker Christine Quinn, who has built a close relationship with City Hall, has blocked his efforts.
The bit also mentions that NY State is looking into a statewide video franchise, but are including some consumer protections (including network neutrality) that Verizon isn't particularly fond of.

FiOSTV Coming to NYC
15-year franchise agreement negotiated in secret...
01:00PM Wednesday Oct 03 2007 by Karl

Verizon has been conducting conversations with NYC leaders in secret, and are poised to strike a 15-year franchise agreement that could bring FiOSTV to the city, notes the NY Daily News. The paper complains that the secret negotiations leaves locals (and the city council) completely unsure if the deal includes any consumer protections:
Mayor Bloomberg's aides have conducted all the Verizon talks in virtual secrecy. They refuse to share their strategy with the City Council, which authorized the franchise talks in a resolution last year. "People keep calling me and asking, 'When are we getting a Verizon deal?' I tell them, I have no idea," said City Councilman Tony Avella (D-Queens), who heads the city's Franchise and Concessions Committee. Avella says he has tried for 18 months to schedule a City Council public hearing on the cable contracts, but Speaker Christine Quinn, who has built a close relationship with City Hall, has blocked his efforts.
The bit also mentions that NY State is looking into a statewide video franchise, but are including some consumer protections (including network neutrality) that Verizon isn't particularly fond of.

thank god.
lets get this competition going!!!

Good for NY! For Columbus, OH, though, we have to settle for TW. Oh, and, btw, I just checked and TBS-HD is now live.

TBS-HD is live in Huntington Beach, CA.

Channel 417

I live in NW Ohio and hearing that Directv now has all these new HD channels, I'm starting to feel real itchy to switch to satellite but I would rather keep Timewarner if I could just because I don't want to switch. So who do I have to call in Timewarner to get them to match Directv's HD offerings? Who do I email/petition?

I live in NW Ohio and hearing that Directv now has all these new HD channels, I'm starting to feel real itchy to switch to satellite but I would rather keep Timewarner if I could just because I don't want to switch. So who do I have to call in Timewarner to get them to match Directv's HD offerings? Who do I email/petition?

It doesn't work that way. :D

TBS-HD is live on Oceanic Time Warner in Hawaii!

TBS-HD also on in Dayton, OH on channel 752.

TBS-HD is live in Huntington Beach, CA.

Channel 417
Good to hear, as I'm in neighboring Costa Mesa. I'll check it out when I get home today. I did see the red dot lit up on my STB this morning, and TWC has been sending messages more often to indicate things going on, like the Showtime and Movie Channel free preview this past weekend. I was wondering if that message is indicating the addition of TBS-HD when I left home this morning.

I hope this means I can watch the TBS Office reruns in HD now.:D

Good to hear, as I'm in neighboring Costa Mesa. I'll check it out when I get home today. I did see the red dot lit up on my STB this morning, and TWC has been sending messages more often to indicate things going on, like the Showtime and Movie Channel free preview this past weekend. I was wondering if that message is indicating the addition of TBS-HD when I left home this morning.

I have always wondered why the messaging feature exists. I've never seen it actually being used here.

I live in NW Ohio and hearing that Directv now has all these new HD channels, I'm starting to feel real itchy to switch to satellite but I would rather keep Timewarner if I could just because I don't want to switch. So who do I have to call in Timewarner to get them to match Directv's HD offerings? Who do I email/petition?

Just call your local Time Warner Cable telephone number and tell the Customer Service Representative that you want the same one hundred high definition channels that DirectTV is getting and you want them now. Let us know how that works out for you.

I have always wondered why the messaging feature exists. I've never seen it actually being used here.
Most messages in the past have been to announce PPV boxing or wrestling events, so I pretty much considered it useless info before. The first useful message I got was when a local station, KCAL 9, added HD. Then last month, the free weekend preview for Showtime and Movie Channel was announced only through this message system. The previous HBO/Cinemax free preview was announced only on my monthly bill statement.

I think the message system is pretty cool and should be used more often, but I guess it depends on each local area determining whether it's a useful tool to send info.

Still no TBS-HD for TWC-Syracuse. Is TWC contacting all of you when they add it, or did you all just go searching for it? Is the channel added close to your other HD channels? In my guide, I have a number of HD channels and then a LARGE number of channels with nothing on them. I'm assuming they are placeholders for future HD channels because way down the list they show the Science channel - HD, but the show is not yet being broadcast in HD. I also have a separate SD Science channel.

TBS-HD is live in Huntington Beach, CA.

Channel 417

yep :D The Angels/Sox game looks outstanding.Much more crisp than D* Ch.95.No surprise there,TWC has always looked much better than D* here on "most" channels.

Still no TBS-HD for TWC-Syracuse. Is TWC contacting all of you when they add it, or did you all just go searching for it? Is the channel added close to your other HD channels? In my guide, I have a number of HD channels and then a LARGE number of channels with nothing on them. I'm assuming they are placeholders for future HD channels because way down the list they show the Science channel - HD, but the show is not yet being broadcast in HD. I also have a separate SD Science channel.

No announcement here, it just showed up. In fact, I spoke to a CSR two days ago (asking about TWC's new 15Mb high speed internet, which it turns out is not available in my area yet). I asked if there were any new HD channels coming (specifically TBS and CNN) and she said no new HD channels are expected in the short term.

It is located next to the TNT-HD channel, grouped with all the other HDs.

yep :D The Angels/Sox game looks outstanding.Much more crisp than D* Ch.95.No surprise there,TWC has always looked much better than D* here on "most" channels.
Yes but does it look better than on D* channel 247? Channel 95 is an mpeg2 HDlite feed, while 247 is using the new mpeg4 1080i feed (by almost all accounts the new mpeg4 channels look MUCH better than the mpeg2 hdlite's), I'll post again once i get home from work to watch the cubbies, but congrats TW's on getting TBS-HD most places in time for the playoffs

TBS-HD also on in San Diego, CA on channel 712.

I believe that the 2 discovery shows: dirty jobs and mythbusters are now in HD... yet in TWC: southbay (torrance)... discoveryHD doesn't have those shows. anyone know why?

oh we don't have TBS-HD yet either. Nor USA or scifi HD (first post says those channels are supposedly available now)

I believe that the 2 discovery shows: dirty jobs and mythbusters are now in HD... yet in TWC: southbay (torrance)... discoveryHD doesn't have those shows. anyone know why?

oh we don't have TBS-HD yet either. Nor USA or scifi HD (first post says those channels are supposedly available now)

Discovery Channel HD is different than Discovery HD Theater. I think Dirty Jobs and Mythbusters are just on The Discovery Channel. I am in Huntington Beach, and as of yesterday I did not have Discovery Channel HD, just Discovery HD Theater.

Still on top of my Wish List - Versus/The Golf Channel HD

Discovery Channel HD is different than Discovery HD Theater. I think Dirty Jobs and Mythbusters are just on The Discovery Channel. I am in Huntington Beach, and as of yesterday I did not have Discovery Channel HD, just Discovery HD Theater.

Still on top of my Wish List - Versus/The Golf Channel HD

Discovery HD Theater was recently renamed to just HD Theater recently to try and avoid the confusion substance had. It obviously hasn't helped(they should have done it a month or two before Discovery HD launched)

Discovery HD Theater was recently renamed to just HD Theater recently to try and avoid the confusion substance had. It obviously hasn't helped(they should have done it a month or two before Discovery HD launched)

Well then TWC never got the memo. Channel 416 still shows up as DISCHD, and up in the left corner as Discovery HD.

You know, I am always writing that I do not see on my TWC Augusta ME system the picture faults that others report. I must now say that I have seen some. NBC's Sunday night football the other day showed some issues caused by on screen motion. The same is true of TBS's baseball last night. It's not bad, but it grained - up or blurred a little on movement. I have never seen that watching Red Sox baseball on NESN.

Basically, however, my picture is consistently excellent which leads me to believe that most problems do not occur early in the process of bringing the picture to our sets. It happens later.

TBS-HD is live in Huntington Beach, CA.

Channel 417


Good to hear, as I'm in the So. Bay (Torrance). I'll check it out when I get home today.

TBS HD in Milwaukee, WI aparantly started 10/2

http://blogs.jsonline.com/cuprisin/archive/2007/10/02/tbs-hd-signs-on-at-time-warner-cable.aspx

I missed it, will check when I get home.

Pat

Edit:
The game is on right now, looks beautiful. Now if only we get food and HGTV, I'll be happy.

Old news.

The statement I said that in response to certainly implied that one got "uncompressed video" from a DVD. You may not have actually meant that, but I'm also quite sure that some would automatically assume DVD video was uncompressed.

Turn on current news you'll find out you're getting FIOS.

Yes I caught that item in another thread... you can't imagine how utterly happy I am about that. Not that it isn't the be-all, end-all, but I feel that TWC has 100% very much taken unfair advantage of me and my neighbors for way too long KNOWING they had a total monopoly. One small neighborhood in my city gets 6 more HD channels AND can pay 10% less overall, all because FIOS TV service is closer for them than for me. Clearly this is something the franchising body SHOULD have prevented (a form of discrimination based on address). The city did NOT step up and take their responsibilities seriously, clearly because TWC has some form of lock on them. Which is further evidenced by the secret negotiations with the mayor's office, seemingly bypassing the body that was SUPPOSED to be watching out for the citizens.

Of course, my best guess is that I'm at least 2 years away from being able to purchase FIOS (phone, IP, and TV). So I expect by that time to have many more examples of TWC taking advantage of that very fact.

Still no TBS-HD for TWC-Syracuse. Is TWC contacting all of you when they add it, or did you all just go searching for it? Is the channel added close to your other HD channels? In my guide, I have a number of HD channels and then a LARGE number of channels with nothing on them. I'm assuming they are placeholders for future HD channels because way down the list they show the Science channel - HD, but the show is not yet being broadcast in HD. I also have a separate SD Science channel.

We almost had 2 home teams in the playoffs, but only one made it. The channel went live AND a press release was issued on the same day, 10/1/07. Those bastards COULD have told us a week earlier when they were telling a ton of cities who did NOT have a home team in the playoffs they would get TBS HD, but they obviously decided to really stick it to us.

The statement I said that in response to certainly implied that one got "uncompressed video" from a DVD. You may not have actually meant that, but I'm also quite sure that some would automatically assume DVD video was uncompressed.



Yes I caught that item in another thread... you can't imagine how utterly happy I am about that. Not that it isn't the be-all, end-all, but I feel that TWC has 100% very much taken unfair advantage of me and my neighbors for way too long KNOWING they had a total monopoly. One small neighborhood in my city gets 6 more HD channels AND can pay 10% less overall, all because FIOS TV service is closer for them than for me. Clearly this is something the franchising body SHOULD have prevented (a form of discrimination based on address). The city did NOT step up and take their responsibilities seriously, clearly because TWC has some form of lock on them. Which is further evidenced by the secret negotiations with the mayor's office, seemingly bypassing the body that was SUPPOSED to be watching out for the citizens.

Of course, my best guess is that I'm at least 2 years away from being able to purchase FIOS (phone, IP, and TV). So I expect by that time to have many more examples of TWC taking advantage of that very fact.

LOL - Staten Island is a 'small neighborhood'???

Maybe its the smallest NYC Boro..... but its got the same population as Atlanta!

LOL - Staten Island is a 'small neighborhood'???

Maybe its the smallest NYC Boro..... but its got the same population as Atlanta!AHHH... it's nothing but "drive-through" country... to AC...Philly...Florida :p

:D I'm kiiiiiiiiiiddding

LOL - Staten Island is a 'small neighborhood'???

Maybe its the smallest NYC Boro..... but its got the same population as Atlanta!

And (mostly) above ground wiring which made the rollout simpler for Verizon.

TBS-HD showed up on 413, which is normally FSN-HD. But it looks like it will stay, as they continued to broadcast even after the baseball games were over. I imagine it'll find a permanent location before this weekend's college football games.

And they said no HD baseball on TWC-Syracuse. Oh wait, the start of Yankees-Indians is on TNT. So, we got a tease of what Turner's HD baseball looks like here on TWC-Syracuse. Maybe we'll have TBS HD by month's end...

And they said no HD baseball on TWC-Syracuse. Oh wait, the start of Yankees-Indians is on TNT. So, we got a tease of what Turner's HD baseball looks like here on TWC-Syracuse. Maybe we'll have TBS HD by month's end...
I was just coming to post the exact same thing! I was hoping they would play the whole game on TNT-HD. I have TWC-Syracuse too, have you called them to ask about TBS-HD? (or any other new HD channels)

I was just coming to post the exact same thing! I was hoping they would play the whole game on TNT-HD. I have TWC-Syracuse too, have you called them to ask about TBS-HD? (or any other new HD channels)

Having worked as a CSR for TWC-Syracuse in a former life, I know a call to them is useless. Hell, if not for the significant periods of signal loss during bad weather, I'd have never switched back to TWC from DirecTV after I left. I guess we win some and lose some. Syracuse seemed to get ESPN2 HD before most. And now, Syracuse seems to be last on the TBS HD train.

And now, Syracuse seems to be last on the TBS HD train.And No - That would be Rochester!;)

And No - That would be Rochester!;)
i'd rather have a garbage plate from nick tahou's than TBS-HD (especially since I don't see the Orioles making the playoffs until the well after the current MLB post-season TV contracts expire)

i'd rather have a garbage plate from nick tahou's than TBS-HD (especially since I don't see the Orioles making the playoffs until the well after the current MLB post-season TV contracts expire)Well, lots of folks would rather have a garbage plate from Nick Tahou's than lots of different HD networks. :eek:

i'd rather have a garbage plate from nick tahou's than TBS-HD (especially since I don't see the Orioles making the playoffs until the well after the current MLB post-season TV contracts expire)

The garbage plate is something that does NOT need to be seen in HD. :D Come to think of it, I never saw it clearly in person.

I get the HD Tier from Time Warner. Do you know what that means? 4 channels. Universal, Mojo, HDNet and HDNet Movies. ESPN, ESPN2, HD Theater, MHD, TNT-HD in addition to HD locals come with digital cable. That is the full extent. No HD VOD of any kind. You can get the HD Premium channel with a subscription to the premium network for Starz, Cinemax, HBO and Showtime. Ocassionally Fox Sports HD will be on air.

Meanwhile, my friend in another state with Comcast gets (besides what I already listed with Time Warner minus the HDNet channels)
NFL Network HD
A&E-HD
Golf/Versus-HD
TBS-HD
Food Network-HD
HGTV-HD
History Channel-HD
HD-Free Movies on Demand
HD-Premium Channels VOD

I feel ripped off. Am I wrong?

LOL - Staten Island is a 'small neighborhood'???

Maybe its the smallest NYC Boro..... but its got the same population as Atlanta!

Looked it up, SI has 5% of the city's population. By calling it a "neighborhood" I am implying that it's very much like a 'hood... even though there are those who feel differently. The "boro" designation may be confusing to those who aren't that familiar with our setup.

I get the HD Tier from Time Warner. Do you know what that means? 4 channels. Universal, Mojo, HDNet and HDNet Movies. ESPN, ESPN2, HD Theater, MHD, TNT-HD in addition to HD locals come with digital cable. That is the full extent. No HD VOD of any kind. You can get the HD Premium channel with a subscription to the premium network for Starz, Cinemax, HBO and Showtime. Ocassionally Fox Sports HD will be on air.

Meanwhile, my friend in another state with Comcast gets (besides what I already listed with Time Warner minus the HDNet channels)
NFL Network HD
A&E-HD
Golf/Versus-HD
TBS-HD
Food Network-HD
HGTV-HD
History Channel-HD
HD-Free Movies on Demand
HD-Premium Channels VOD

I feel ripped off. Am I wrong?

Interesting... I started out with 5 HD channels on that pay extra tier (called HDXtra in my market). Then it was 4 ,then it was three (we get UnHD as part of the digital package). Supposedly, they added a bunch of SD sports channels, but that kind of belies the "HD only" that I had signed up for. I'd cancel it in a flash, BUT I find HDNet to be fairly compelling. So I'm "thinking" of it as a 2 channel premium (as in HBO and multiple channels).

Still, I also very much feel like I've been "sleazed" by TWC; they very much SWORE they would replace the first HD channel on that tier that we lost... and never did anything except move ESPN HD to the digital tier.

I get the HD Tier from Time Warner. Do you know what that means? 4 channels. Universal, Mojo, HDNet and HDNet Movies. ESPN, ESPN2, HD Theater, MHD, TNT-HD in addition to HD locals come with digital cable. That is the full extent. No HD VOD of any kind. You can get the HD Premium channel with a subscription to the premium network for Starz, Cinemax, HBO and Showtime. Ocassionally Fox Sports HD will be on air.

Meanwhile, my friend in another state with Comcast gets (besides what I already listed with Time Warner minus the HDNet channels)
NFL Network HD
A&E-HD
Golf/Versus-HD
TBS-HD
Food Network-HD
HGTV-HD
History Channel-HD
HD-Free Movies on Demand
HD-Premium Channels VOD

I feel ripped off. Am I wrong?
I'll take HDNET any day over most of those channels listed above (tbs, nfl net, golf, hgtv...). And if you don't like the HD service, throw up an antenna and get the locals for free and don't pay TW for service you don't like.

How much is your friend with comcast paying per month? My friends with Comcast get reamed each month on their bill, so i myself am quite happy paying $20 less each month and having HD channels that I actually watch.

No TBS-HD in Buffalo either and they have no plans on adding it. They are adding MSG-HD today so we can get the Sabres home games in HD this year. I am not sure if it will be full time or just active for Sabres games broadcast in HD.

News
Time Warner to Carry NHL Network
But high-def coverage is up in the air.
By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (October 5, 2007) -- Time Warner Cable has agreed to carry the National Hockey League's new 24-hour sports channel.

The channel, NHL Network, will broadcast 50 league games live this season, many of which will be available in High-Definition.

However, it's uncertain if local Time Warner systems will show the games in high-def.

Mark Harrad, a Time Warner Cable spokesman, told TVPredictions.com last night that it's up to each local Time Warner operator to determine whether to air the NHL Network's high-def broadcasts.

"We have the rights to offer their HD content. It will depend on the individual divisions, if they want to devote the bandwidth to carry these games," Harrad said.

The NHL Network has been available in Canada since 2001, but this is the first year in the United States. The channel will show documentaries and news shows on NHL issues as well as the live games.

Cox Communications had previously announced it would carry the NHL Network, but has not said if it will air the high-def games.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/twnhl100507.htm

News
Time Warner to Carry NHL Network
But high-def coverage is up in the air.
By Swanni

I'm wondering:

If this a channel that ALL Time Warner systems will get? Or is this another of TWC's announcements of a new channel, only to see it on 1 or 2 systems?

NHL Network-HD has been added to the "Known Deals Done" section

The Hello-o-mometer is officially pointing to frigid in Cincinnati. Food HD and HGTV HD are both live today on TWC.

Time Warner Cable today added two more high-definition channels: HGTV-HD (Channel 982) and Food Network HD (Channel 981) from Cincinnati-based E.W. Scripps. The new channels will be part of the "HD standard tier," and "available at no additional charge to all Time Warner Cable customers who subscribe to standard service or above and have a high definition television and high definition converter," says Karen Baxter, local Time Warner public affairs director.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/tv/2007/10/time-warner-adds-hgtv-hd-and-food-hd.asp

The Hello-o-mometer is officially pointing to frigid in Cincinnati. Food HD and HGTV HD are both live today on TWC.



http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/tv/2007/10/time-warner-adds-hgtv-hd-and-food-hd.asp

We are waiting anxiously for these in Milwaukee, WI. Glad to see they are coming up.

Pat

NHL Network-HD has been added to the "Known Deals Done" section

I'm a bit confused about this NHL Network HD business. We just got the NHL Network added on 458. From what I understood there was no HD version of this channel. How do the games in HD come into play? Where would they appear? Does this channel have an HD version...or is it an HD channel that shows 99% of the programming in SD?

Looked it up, SI has 5% of the city's population. By calling it a "neighborhood" I am implying that it's very much like a 'hood... even though there are those who feel differently. The "boro" designation may be confusing to those who aren't that familiar with our setup.

Just because it's 5% doesn't mean it's a neighborhood. It's about 8 miles east west and 15 miles north south. NY is a vast place, and 500,000 people is alot of people. I hate it when other people talk about SI like that. Yes, it's quite suburban in some places, but sometimes when you're in St. George you feel like your in the Village. If SI was independent from the city, it would be the second largest city in NYS and give Atlanta a run for it's money.

I'm a bit confused about this NHL Network HD business. We just got the NHL Network added on 458. From what I understood there was no HD version of this channel. How do the games in HD come into play? Where would they appear? Does this channel have an HD version...or is it an HD channel that shows 99% of the programming in SD?

TWC has the rights to both the SD & HD versions of the NHL Network.
and for whatever reason TWC of NYC has opted just for the SD version.
other markets might choose to show both.

Just because it's 5% doesn't mean it's a neighborhood. It's about 8 miles east west and 15 miles north south. NY is a vast place, and 500,000 people is alot of people. I hate it when other people talk about SI like that. Yes, it's quite suburban in some places, but sometimes when you're in St. George you feel like your in the Village. If SI was independent from the city, it would be the second largest city in NYS and give Atlanta a run for it's money.
Completely off topic, but if you've ever ridden the "Staten Island Railroad" (as I have), you'd know that Staten Island is quite vast. It takes nearly an hour to ride that thing to the end!

To impart some logic (but not excuse) to Riverside_Guy, Staten Island used to have its own cable franchise (wasn't it "Staten Island Cable"?) before TWC took it over. So they have some different technology and newer lines installed than the other boroughs of NYC. This is why they get to have more HD channels sooner. TWC just needs to roll out other technologies in the other boroughs to squeeze more bandwidth out of their lines. Unless we want them to keep sqeezing more channels into the same bandwidth, thereby reducing the quality of the channels we do have even more.....

Scott

Completely off topic, but if you've ever ridden the "Staten Island Railroad" (as I have), you'd know that Staten Island is quite vast. It takes nearly an hour to ride that thing to the end!

To impart some logic (but not excuse) to Riverside_Guy, Staten Island used to have its own cable franchise (wasn't it "Staten Island Cable"?) before TWC took it over. So they have some different technology and newer lines installed than the other boroughs of NYC. This is why they get to have more HD channels sooner. TWC just needs to roll out other technologies in the other boroughs to squeeze more bandwidth out of their lines. Unless we want them to keep sqeezing more channels into the same bandwidth, thereby reducing the quality of the channels we do have even more.....

Scott

that makes no sense to me, all S.I. did was eliminate most of their analog channels.
that's it!
TWC of B/Q/M can do the same if they really wanted to and they actually will do that over the next year and a half.

I sent the following to TWC Milwaukee and their response along with my re-response is there as well. Their reply is in blue, my re-reply is in red. I will update you all with their re-response.

Pat

Hello,



I recently subscribed to the Time Warner Cable HD package in Milwaukee,
WI. I love the quality of the HD picture as well as the two HD DVD's I
have. What I am is a little disappointed with the HD channel line up.
It seems that Direct TV is rolling out many new HD channels this month
and next, but I have heard nothing about that happening with Time Warner
Cable. I am specifically interested in HGTV HD, Food Network HD, and
History channel HD but would be happy with any new HD additions.



I want to stay with Time Warner, but may consider switching to Direct TV
for the increased access to HD channels.



I look forward to your response,

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Thanks for the response.
I believe Direct TV now has TLC HD, Animal Planet HD, A&E HD, Big Ten HD, CNN HD, History Channel HD, Science Channel HD, Sci Fi HD, USA Network HD, Bravo HD, and Versus HD. I consider all of these national HD channels, and I personally have none of them that I know of. If we do indeed have these and I am in error, please give me the channel numbers so I can start watching them? Also, when can we expect Food and HGTV in HD?
I am very happy with Time Warner, but I very much want access to all of these HD channels. I do like the leased equipment versus buying, I like the free service, and I like the no commitment you offer. The sticking point is HD. I have HD equipment, and cannot stand the standard def resolution anymore.
I did notice that we recently got TBS HD and I appreciate it. It’s a start, but not enough.
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Response (Road Runner Tier 3 Residential) 10/05/2007 03:23 PM
Yes, we are aware of the recent advertisement for additional HD channels to our competitor's packages. However, that has not happened as of yet nor do we think they'll be able to add 100 HD channels. There claim is deceptive.

There are not 100 quality HD channels available for release at this time. There are approximately 30 National HD channels and we carry a comparable amount as Direct TV have. In fact, Direct TV has one National HD channel we do not have, National Geographic HD, which we are due to add in a few months. Also, we are due to add two additional local network affliate HD channels, CW and MyTV.

In order to add channels to our lineup, we have to have an agreement with the channel and find a place for the channel on a lineup.

We still offer a better overall value. What you should know about satellite:

We do not charge for basic HD (locals and cable networks) vs. $20 for Dish HD
To get advanced equipment from Dish you have to sign a two year commitment
Cancellation fee of up to $240 will apply for early downgrade, termination, or disconnection of service.
Price guarantee for 2 years = 2 years contract
No service plan if you do not commit – customer will have to pay for service calls currently priced at $29.00 (regularly $99.00)

Thank you for choosing Time Warner Cable.

Regards,

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http://www.timewarnercable.com/milwaukee/

that makes no sense to me, all S.I. did was eliminate most of their analog channels.
that's it!
TWC of B/Q/M can do the same if they really wanted to and they actually will do that over the next year and a half.

Not true. If I recall correctly, Staten Island has more bandwidth inherent in the design of their cable network. This is IN ADDITION to having eliminated their analogs.

Not true. If I recall correctly, Staten Island has more bandwidth inherent in the design of their cable network. This is IN ADDITION to having eliminated their analogs.

isn't all systems in NYC 860mhz?

IF Yes, what makes SI so much better?

isn't all systems in NYC 860mhz?

IF Yes, what makes SI so much better?

maybe SI doesn't have to carry the same analog channels that Manhattan does? (the multiple MNNs.... for example)

No TBS-HD in Buffalo either and they have no plans on adding it. They are adding MSG-HD today so we can get the Sabres home games in HD this year. I am not sure if it will be full time or just active for Sabres games broadcast in HD.

Undoubtedly that means Sabres HOME games only. That what they "do" for the Rangers, HD at the garden, SD everywhere else.

Contrast this with the Yankees and their YES network. This year they promised ALL games will be HD. Far as I can tell, they came damn close to that goal... and I can easily give them a buy on having some tech problems where a few games ended up in SD.

Too bad, ther Rangers look to be very inteesting this year, so a deal like YES did WOULD be nice...

Just because it's 5% doesn't mean it's a neighborhood. It's about 8 miles east west and 15 miles north south. NY is a vast place, and 500,000 people is alot of people. I hate it when other people talk about SI like that. Yes, it's quite suburban in some places, but sometimes when you're in St. George you feel like your in the Village. If SI was independent from the city, it would be the second largest city in NYS and give Atlanta a run for it's money.

Boy I never thought anyone would take my "neighborhood" comment like that! I've had some friends over the years who lived there and always got the impression that they really resented being thought of as some backwater part of the city. I said "neighborhood" as a way of being inclusive, not dismissive. Sorry, but I'll still think of it that way.

Completely off topic, but if you've ever ridden the "Staten Island Railroad" (as I have), you'd know that Staten Island is quite vast. It takes nearly an hour to ride that thing to the end!

To impart some logic (but not excuse) to Riverside_Guy, Staten Island used to have its own cable franchise (wasn't it "Staten Island Cable"?) before TWC took it over. So they have some different technology and newer lines installed than the other boroughs of NYC. This is why they get to have more HD channels sooner. TWC just needs to roll out other technologies in the other boroughs to squeeze more bandwidth out of their lines. Unless we want them to keep sqeezing more channels into the same bandwidth, thereby reducing the quality of the channels we do have even more.....

Scott

Jeeze, I don't think I need an "excuse" for trying to not separate SI from the rest of the city!

My impression about how they still have 6 more HD channels than the rest of us was that they were actually aggressive about swapping out analog boxes so they COULD drop a number of analog channels and thus free up HUGE amounts of bandwidth.

that makes no sense to me, all S.I. did was eliminate most of their analog channels.
that's it!
TWC of B/Q/M can do the same if they really wanted to and they actually will do that over the next year and a half.

One interesting thing is that about 5 years ago, I was trying to help my folks out with their cable account. Essentially they were paying for a LOT of channels they couldn't get because they still had an analog box (i.e. they had HBO, but could only tune one of it's seven channels). Pricing was complicated as their building had a separate deal, so I talked extensively to them (switching to a digital box resulted in 23 cents LESS per month!). They 100% "knew" they had to and wanted to swap out those analog boxes. They spoke of "plans" to do that, without being too specific. 5 years later and we see them as having made NONE, ZERO, ZILCH effort towards this end. 100% they COULD have all digital boxes by this time AND would have bandwidth for more than 100 HD channels.

If time Warner advertize that they have fiber optic already why do they say there is not enough band with. Wouldn’t that be false advertisement?



NYC
LOWER EAST SIDE

I've heard the "advanced fiber network" commercials too. It started a few months back(at least here in Ohio) when AT&T started promoting their new TV service. As for the bandwidth, they are wasting alot by keeping the analog simulcasts for channels 2-99, even though there are digital versions on the digital box.

Current HD programming on Time Warner Northeast Ohio:

508-WJW-HD(FOX)
521-WKYC-HD(NBC)
522-WKYC-DT2(Weather Plus)
531-FSN-HD(almost never anything on this channel)
538-Ohio Channel
540-WOIO-DT2(24x7 Weather)
541-WOIO-DT1(CBS)
544-WUAB-DT1(MyNet TV)
545-WUAB-DT2(former The Tube)
546-TBS-HD
547-TNT-HD
549-WNEO-HD(PBS-HD)
550-WNEO-DT2(PBS-SD upconvert)
551-WEW-HD(ABC)
552-WVIZ-HD(PBS HD)
553-HD Showcase on demand
554-HD Theater
559-ESPN-HD
560-ESPN2-HD

HD Tier($6.95 charge)
555-MOJO
556-Universal HD
557-HDNet
558-HDNet Movie

Premium Channels:
580-HBO HD East
581-HBO HD West
590-Showtime HD East
591-Showtime HD West

Here is the Austin HD lineup:

1501 - Fox
1511 - ABC
1521 - NBC
1531 - CBS
1541 - PBS
1617 - Discovery HD Theatre
1630 - CNNHD
1635 - ESPNHD
1636 - ESPN2HD
1639 - FSN HD
1648 - GAMHD (sports pay per view)
1649 - TEMHD (sports pay per view)
1650 - HD Pay Per View
1653 - TBS HD
1654 - TNT HD
1656 - Universal HD
1660 - AEHD
1664 - MHD
1670 - HBOHD
1675 - MAXHD
1678 - SHOHD
1684 - Starz HD
1687 - MOJO
1692 - HDNET
1693 - HDNET Movies
1698 - HD Showcase on Demand
1699 - HD Video on Demand

xnappo

Time Warner - North Texas
HD channel lineup 16 Total

Fox
CBS
NBC
ABC
PBS
HDT Discovery Theatre
TNT
ESPN
ESPN2
MOJO
HDNET
UHD
HBO
MAX
SHO
STARZ
10 HD Movies On Demand dedicated channels --- Own most of the HD-DVD's so this doesnt do me much good.:rolleyes:

Time Warner - North Texas
HD channel lineup 16 Total

Fox
CBS
NBC
ABC
PBS
HDT Discovery Theatre
TNT
ESPN
ESPN2
MOJO
HDNET
UHD
HBO
MAX
SHO
STARZ
10 HD Movies On Demand dedicated channels --- Own most of the HD-DVD's so this doesnt do me much good.:rolleyes:

add
my network hd
cw hd
and ktxa kd

(30 HD Channels in S.I. & 24 in Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan)


350 – PPV-HD
702 – CBS-HD
703 – TNT-HD
704 – NBC-HD
705 – FOX-HD
707 – ABC-HD
708 – TBS-HD
709 – MY9-HD
711 – CW-HD
713 – PBS-HD
718 – DHD
720 – MHD (Staten Island only)
726 – SNY-HD
727 – MSG-HD
728 – ESPN-HD
729 – ESPN2-HD
730 – YES-HD
740 – UHD
746 – A&E-HD (Staten Island only)
748 – FSNY-HD (Staten Island only)
751 – Food-HD (Staten Island only)
764 – HGTV-HD (Staten Island only)
776 – MAX-HD
777 – STARZ-HD
778 – TMC-HD (Staten Island only)
779 – SHO-HD
780 – HBO-HD
796 – MOJO
797 – HDNet Movies
798 – HDNet

Wow, compared to other Time Warner markets, NE Ohio has to be the worst. TBS was added in time for the Indians, I wonder if anything else is coming next week(Like FOX Busness, CNN, History and A&E). And our CW(WBNX) has been on air in HD since April, but yet to be added to Time Warner.

Wow, compared to other Time Warner markets, NE Ohio has to be the worst. TBS was added in time for the Indians, I wonder if anything else is coming next week(Like FOX Busness, CNN, History and A&E). And our CW(WBNX) has been on air in HD since April, but yet to be added to Time Warner.

Yup, waiting for U-Verse, seems my street is one of the only areas not able to get it yet......

Does anyones market have the ability to get PPV in HD? I called about a month ago, and was told this is something they are working on for the end of the year or the beginning of 2008.

Here is my Central / Eastern KY - HD Lineup.

The one thing I miss about comcast, with there HD service you got all the premiums in HD as well. So far with TWC that's a no go.

I would like to see NBCHD, & ABCHD added. This way I could dvr some shows this fall. Then all I'm really asking for is PPV in HD for the UFC, and more discovery channels / history channel / & cnn in HD would be cool. So far this is a terribly weak lineup.

702 - CBSHD
704 - FOXHD
713 - KET4HD
750 - HBOHD
751 - SHOHD
752 - StarzHD
758 - MAXHD
770 - HDNet
771 - HDNMW
772 - ESPNHD
773 - ESPN2HD
774 - MOJO
775 - TBSHD - Just added this week.
776 - HDT
777 - TNTHD
778 - UHD

Current HD programming on Time Warner Northeast Ohio:

508-WJW-HD(FOX)
521-WKYC-HD(NBC)
522-WKYC-DT2(Weather Plus)
531-FSN-HD(almost never anything on this channel)
538-Ohio Channel
540-WOIO-DT2(24x7 Weather)
541-WOIO-DT1(CBS)
544-WUAB-DT1(MyNet TV)
545-WUAB-DT2(former The Tube)
546-TBS-HD
547-TNT-HD
549-WNEO-HD(PBS-HD)
550-WNEO-DT2(PBS-SD upconvert)
551-WEW-HD(ABC)
552-WVIZ-HD(PBS HD)
553-HD Showcase on demand
554-HD Theater
559-ESPN-HD
560-ESPN2-HD

HD Tier($6.95 charge)
555-MOJO
556-Universal HD
557-HDNet
558-HDNet Movie

Premium Channels:
580-HBO HD East
581-HBO HD West
590-Showtime HD East
591-Showtime HD West

Where in Northeast Ohio do you live? Different areas in Time Warner Northeast Ohio have different channel line ups. For Instance I live outside of Cleveland and I don't get HBO HD West, Showtime HD West, WNEO-HD(PBS-HD) or the Ohio Channel. But I do get Starz HD and Cinemax HD.

Does anyones market have the ability to get PPV in HD?

Yes - and actually they have some free HD 'on demand'. Included is AMC's 'Mad Men' which is a really great show. Having it free 'on demand' and in HD AND commercial free definitely earned TWC some points.

xnappo

Yes - and actually they have some free HD 'on demand'. Included is AMC's 'Mad Men' which is a really great show. Having it free 'on demand' and in HD AND commercial free definitely earned TWC some points.

but advertising the channel here and not actually having the channel, lost them points. So it evens out. :)

Current HD programming on Time Warner Maui Hawaii;

1003 FOX
1006 ABC
1008 NBC
1010 PBS
1216 HGOLF
1222 ESPNH
1224 HESP2
1226 FSNHD
1333 HDDSC
1347 HDNG
1355 HDNET
1551 TBSHD
1553 TNTHD
1561 MOJO
1603 HDMOV
1605 HDUNI
1611 HDTV
1633 HDSHO
Notice that we have no CBSHD on all of Hawaii. No they don't trasmit CBSHD over the air here on Maui. Also, all our digital channels look no better/different than analog channels when you switch back and forth between the same channels. Go figure.:confused:
And now for our useless pay perview which happen to take up about a 1/3 of our HD channels.:(
1700 HDPPV
1900 HDSOD
1980 HDMV1
1981 HDMV2
1982 HDMV3
1983 HDMV4
1984 HDMV5
1985 HDMV6
1986 HDMV7
1987 HDMV8
1988 HDMV9
1989 HDMVX
1990 HDoD
Direct keeps lookin better and better as the months go by out here in Hawaii.:rolleyes:

Current in Albany, NY

1800 Movies on Demand HD
1805 TBS HD
1806 CBS HD
1808 FOX HD
1810 ABC HD
1811 PBS HD
1813 NBC HD
1815 CW HD
1827 TNT HD
1837 Discovery HD Theater
1838 A&E High Definition
1840 Music: High Definition
1847 MSG HD
1866 SportsNet NY HD
1867 Yankees Television HD
1869 ESPN-HD
1870 ESPN2 High Definition

HD Tier
1855 MOJO
1857 HD Net
1858 HDNET Movies
1860 Universal HD

Premiums
1880 HBO High Definition
1885 Showtime HD

Current in Rochester, NY:

Digital:
1007 WUHF HD (FOX HD)
1008 WROC HD (CBS HD)
1010 WHEC HD (NBC HD)
1011 WXXI HD (PBS HD)
1013 WHAM HD (ABC HD)
1014 MOJO
1015 MHD
1016 CW-WHAM HD (CW HD)
1030 HD Theater
1033 TNT HD
1037 A&E HD
1047 YES HD
1048 Versus HD/Golf Channel HD
1052 ESPN HD
1053 ESPN2 HD

HD Tier:
1050 HDNet
1051 HDNet Movies
1054 Universal HD

HD Premium:
1060 HBO HD
1061 Showtime HD

On-Demand:
1090 HD Movies On Demand

Here is the TWC-Syracuse lineup.

800 HBO|HD
801 Sho|HDTV
805 SNY HD
810 ESPNHD
811 ESPN2HD
812 HDNet
813 HDNet Movies
814 Universal HD
815 INHD
816 MHD (Music)
817 A&E HD
820 Discovery HD
821 TNT
850-52 WCNY
863 WSTM 3
865 WTVH 5
875 News 7
889 WSYR 9
889 WWTI 50

Here is the TWC-Syracuse lineup.

800 HBO|HD
801 Sho|HDTV
805 SNY HD
810 ESPNHD
811 ESPN2HD
812 HDNet
813 HDNet Movies
814 Universal HD
815 INHD
816 MHD (Music)
817 A&E HD
820 Discovery HD
821 TNT
850-52 WCNY
863 WSTM 3
865 WTVH 5
875 News 7
889 WSYR 9
889 WWTI 50
We also have HD On Demand Movies.

Here is the TWC-Syracuse lineup.

800 HBO|HD
801 Sho|HDTV
805 SNY HD
810 ESPNHD
811 ESPN2HD
812 HDNet
813 HDNet Movies
814 Universal HD
815 INHD
816 MHD (Music)
817 A&E HD
820 Discovery HD
821 TNT
850-52 WCNY
863 WSTM 3
865 WTVH 5
875 News 7
889 WSYR 9
889 WWTI 50

My TWC-Syracuse lineup differs a little from this one. Free HD on Demand (799), HBO (800), Showtime (801), HD Movies on Demand (802), SNY (808), YES (809), ESPN (810), ESPN2 (811), HD Net (812), HD Net Movies (813), Universal (814), MOJO (815), MHD (816), A&E (817), HD Theater (820), TNT (821), WCNY-PBS (850-853), WTVH-CBS (855), WSTM-NBC (863), WSYT-FOX (868), WNYS-MyNet (877), WSYR-ABC (889), WSYR2-ABC (890).

Where in Northeast Ohio do you live? Different areas in Time Warner Northeast Ohio have different channel line ups. For Instance I live outside of Cleveland and I don't get HBO HD West, Showtime HD West, WNEO-HD(PBS-HD) or the Ohio Channel. But I do get Starz HD and Cinemax HD.

I'm in Akron on the "legacy" Time Warner Akron system that has been with TW since the beginning. Starz and Cinemax HD were on the old Adelphia systems(I think) I remember Adelphia having better channels than Time Warner, like ESPNU(recently added) and other movie and cable channels. Adelphia had WVIZ before Time Warner did and I'm sure they'd have WBNX by now. Time Warner is EXTREMELY SLOW at adding channels.

Piedmont Triad Line up

410-HBO HDTV East
411-HBO HDTV West
436-Showtime HDTV East
437-Showtime HDTV West
501-UNC HD (PBS)
510-WGHP HD (Fox)
520-WFMY HD (CBS)
530-WXLV HD (ABC)
531-WMYV HD (My48)
536-WCWG HD (CW)
540-WXII HD (NBC)
545-MHD (MTV)
550-Discovery HD Theatre
551-TNT HD
552-TBS HD
554-A&E HD
555-History Channel HD
556-ESPN2 HD
557-HGTV HD
558-Food Network HD
560-MOJO (previously INHD)*
561-Universal HD*
562-HDNet*
563-HDNet Movies*
564-ESPNHD
569-Golf Channel HD/Versus HD
575-CNN HD
581-Lifetime Movie Network HD
611-HD Movies On Demand

*Denotes Part of HD Pack

My TWC-Syracuse lineup differs a little from this one. Free HD on Demand (799), HBO (800), Showtime (801), HD Movies on Demand (802), SNY (808), YES (809), ESPN (810), ESPN2 (811), HD Net (812), HD Net Movies (813), Universal (814), MOJO (815), MHD (816), A&E (817), HD Theater (820), TNT (821), WCNY-PBS (850-853), WTVH-CBS (855), WSTM-NBC (863), WSYT-FOX (868), WNYS-MyNet (877), WSYR-ABC (889), WSYR2-ABC (890).
I posted my list from the TWC-Syracuse website (www.twcny.com), so it could be out of date. Without being in front of my tv right now, your list looks correct. Channel 799 is the only one I don't recognize. Free HD on Demand sounds great. I'll have to look for it when I get home tonight.

Wow, compared to other Time Warner markets, NE Ohio has to be the worst.

Try TWC Binghamton's

700 WBGH HD (NBC)
702 WICZ HD (FOX)
703 WIVT HD (ABC)
704 WSKG HD (PBS)
705 Discovery HD Theater
706 TNT HD
710 HBO HD
711 Showtime HD
715 MOJO
716 Music: High Definition
717 HD Net
718 HD Net Movies
719 ESPN-HD
720 ESPN2 High Definition
721 Yankees Television HD
722 SportsNet NY HD
799 HD Showcase

No CBS HD, if you want that you need an OTA antenna.

I called them early last week to see if they were going to add TBS HD in time for MLB playoffs and they said no, they currently have no plans expanding their HD lineup until sometime in 2008. They claim that they're limited bandwith wise.

Here's their response to one inquiry about adding TBS HD

"I have forwarded your question about TBS in HD being added to our line up. There is no way it will be added before October 1st. The corporate wheels are way to slow. These decisions are made at the corporate level and we usually don't get the information until it is released to the general public."

They kind of forgot that the announcement had been made on the agreement between TWC and TBS already.

Here's a reply to another inquiry about TBS HD

"Thank you for writing Time Warner Cable. Due to a confluence of contractual and technical issues, we are currently limited in our ability to offer additional HD content. We will not have TBS-HD in time for the playoffs.

Please know that our division of Time Warner Cable continues to dedicate itself to expanding our HD channel offerings. We hope to have new systems in place by the end of the first quarter of 2008 that will significantly improve our ability to offer HD content. We will continue to negotiate in good faith with the owners the local affiliates, to upgrade our systems in order to expand our channel offerings, and work with the content providers to secure additional broadcast rights."

All of their BS turned me off so I switched to DirecTV last friday and love it. Unfortunately I couldn't kick TWC to the curb completely, I still need my internet service.

Anyone know how credible this info is?http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0114/t.8833.html or where TWC will be launching FBN in HD? I emailed TWC about FBN HD in the NYC area and got a reply of



Thank you for your recent message to Time Warner Cable regarding
programming on our cable lineup.

At this time we are not carrying the station on an HD channel.

If you are requesting a new channel please send a letter with your
location and channel request to:

Robert Watson
VP Programming, New Business Development
Time Warner Cable
120 E. 23rd Street 9th Floor
New York, NY 10010

Anyone know how credible this info is?http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0114/t.8833.html or where TWC will be launching FBN in HD? I emailed TWC about FBN HD in the NYC area and got a reply of

Apparently, here in Cincy, we will be getting FBN but only on digital basic. Don't know when but looks like not in HD.

Here's their response to one inquiry about adding TBS HD

Quote:
"I have forwarded your question about TBS in HD being added to our line up. There is no way it will be added before October 1st. The corporate wheels are way to slow. These decisions are made at the corporate level and we usually don't get the information until it is released to the general public."


They kind of forgot that the announcement had been made on the agreement between TWC and TBS already.

I tried the same thing last spring. I suggested they show us Versus HD so we can see the home hockey team win the playoffs and then onto winning the Stanley Cup. I suggested they throw it on the FSN-HD channel which isn't used much since I figured they would say no space. They had announced the Golf/Versus HD agreement a couple months earlier. They said they would pass on the suggestion, but don't expect anything. Now they added TBS-HD for baseball, and have been showing games on TNT-HD and *FSN-HD*. Oh well!
Dan

I tried the same thing last spring. I suggested they show us Versus HD so we can see the home hockey team win the playoffs and then onto winning the Stanley Cup. I suggested they throw it on the FSN-HD channel which isn't used much since I figured they would say no space. They had announced the Golf/Versus HD agreement a couple months earlier. They said they would pass on the suggestion, but don't expect anything. Now they added TBS-HD for baseball, and have been showing games on TNT-HD and *FSN-HD*. Oh well!
Dan

Um, apple and orange.

TBS was pushing the games to TNT when they overlapped, both are owned by the same parent company.

FSN gets some of the post season games.

Concerning TBS HD, and its absence from TW Desert Citites, I could imagine at least two options that they could have used to at least give us the MLB playoffs in HD: (1) Broadcast the games on Mojo, which is what they do for FSN HD broadcasts (since they don't have a dedicated FSN HD channel). This would be a very palatable solution, since, otherwise, Mojo is pretty much a worthless use of bandwidth; or (2) do what they did a couple of years ago during the US Tennis Open. That is, they made Universal HD available for a couple of weeks during the Open. I believe that they shut down the HD PPV channel in order to recover the needed bandwidth. That was a decent solution since the HD PPV channel was usually dark the vast majority of the time.

Since the MLB playoffs are a reasonably major event, you'd think that they'd make some kind of accommodation. But, no.

Wow, compared to other Time Warner markets, NE Ohio has to be the worst. TBS was added in time for the Indians, I wonder if anything else is coming next week(Like FOX Busness, CNN, History and A&E). And our CW(WBNX) has been on air in HD since April, but yet to be added to Time Warner.

TWCSTNY Elmira NY PATHETIC lineup:

NBC
PBS
TNT
Discovery Theater HD
HDnet
HDnet Movies
ESPN
ESPN2
YES
SNY
HBO
Showtime
Mojo
MHD

No FOX or CBS because TWCSTNY and these local affiliates cannot come to an agreement. I didn't include our local ABC affiliate because they do not broadcast in HD and won't be anytime soon. NO baseball playoffs, NO World Series, NO NFL games on Sunday afternoons. Pathetic. Time Warner Cable STNY sucks.

Brighthouse Networks in Bakersfield, CA recently added both TBS and History HD, bringing our lineup to 16 plus premiums. We don't have a local Fox HD affiliate, and we have an OTA non-HD digital CW. The lineup:

Digital Cable:
43 KGET (NBC)
47 KBAK (CBS)
48 KERO (ABC)
49 KVPT (PBS)
52 History Channel HD
53 TBS HD
54 A&E HD
55 TNT HD
56 Discovery HD
59 HD Special Events

Hi-Def Tier:
60 Mojo
62 HDNet
63 HDNet 2
65 ESPN HD
65 ESPN2 HD
66 Universal HD

Premiums:
70 HBO HD West
71 HBO HD East
72 Showtime HD West
73 Showtime HD East
78 HD Video On Demand
79 HD Movies On Demand

We recently had both PBS HDs added and TBS-HD. WBNX, the CW affiliate went live in April 2007 after problems with their antenna and interfearence and it's yet to be seen on Time Warner. The only other channels not on cable are some OTA garbage like TBN. They have 5 subchannels I'm happy TW doesn't have. The last thing we need is the already bandwidth challenged cable company wasting more space showing that woman that wears WAY too much makeup begging for $$$ on 5 channels!

TWC Raleigh got the Golf Channel HD/Versus HD yesterday I think. When I flipped to it they were showing SD stuff so I just ignored it. Man D* lineup is making me seriously consider flipping to the dark side(or is it the light side?).

Considering what is actually available, I think TWC has a very good HD lineup here in Central Maine. I am a little curious about the History Channel HD, however, and would like to know how it looks in HD.

Looks good to me. Why shouldn't it?

TWC Raleigh got the Golf Channel HD/Versus HD yesterday I think. When I flipped to it they were showing SD stuff so I just ignored it. Man D* lineup is making me seriously consider flipping to the dark side(or is it the light side?).

I'm as picky as they come...but I'll tell you, the new MPEG-4 stuff on D* is as good or better than the same offering on cable. I just added D* a couple of weeks ago. So, now I have both D* and TWC. :)

Looks good to me. Why shouldn't it?
because a lot of the footage is from the 40's, which does not look good at all in HD.

because a lot of the footage is from the 40's, which does not look good at all in HD.
I've periodically checked in to "The War" on PBS, which is all footage from WWII, and it looks pretty good in HD.

I watched Modern Marvels on Hist HD yesterday, and it looked outstanding, especially the computer modeled simulations. But not everything on History HD is in HD, some of it was just 4x3 stretched.

because a lot of the footage is from the 40's, which does not look good at all in HD.
Anything that is shot on film (like these old movies) can be transfered to look spectacular in HD. The effective resolution due to film grain of content on film is higher than HD (but only 24 fps of couse).

because a lot of the footage is from the 40's, which does not look good at all in HD. Hey, there's a lot of footage from the 90's and today that does not look good at all in HD ;)

The film looks good in HD as long as they keep the OAR. I've seen part of "The War"(would like to have seen it all) and it looked like it was in OAR. Thank god it's not "The War on TBS"or it would really look like crap in stretch-o-vision. :)

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/aspectratios/widescreenorama.html

I should have been more clear. I am curious how History HD looks because I do not have it and I wonder about the old material.

Fans of movie film claim that all the old stuff can be made as good or even better than today's material. I have never seen evidence of that in my viewing of HD. Maybe some of the old movies can be made to look like current material, but the stuff I have seen doesn't look that great. I include PBS' The War in that opinion. It just didn't look that much better than it always has when I see it in good quality SD.

The History channel has problems because of the available filmed material, as well as the fact that motion pictures did not exist prior to the 20th century, but 'history' DID exist and has to be presented in a television format. Good luck.

The History channel has problems because of the available filmed material, as well as the fact that motion pictures did not exist prior to the 20th century, but 'history' DID exist and has to be presented in a television format. Good luck.

Well, whenever "The War" or anything on History Channel shows photographs (you know, in that way that documentaries slide pictures across the screen, zoom in and out, what not, to keep the ADD folks entertained) those photos come across in stunning high def. Photographs can be scanned in at any resolution, so they end up looking pretty good.

As for the film, it looks good. But only as good as you can expect old brittle celluloid to look.

Time warner south west ohio (dayton) announced they will carry fox business channel starting oct 15th. I see on the directv thread that fbc is a high def channel. Will there be a standard def version or can we expect fbc hd on oct15th? I'm betting there will be a sd version, but what's the point of launching an sd channel these days? Otherwise more HD - woo hoo!

FOX Business HD, WHOOPEEE! Now our "friends" at FOX can distort the news in a higher definition! I'd rather have something worth watching like the CW, the new Discovery channels or National Geographic.

Anything that is shot on film (like these old movies) can be transfered to look spectacular in HD. The effective resolution due to film grain of content on film is higher than HD (but only 24 fps of couse).

Those old films sure can have enough resolution (originally shot on 35mm or better), there ARE issues with fading. A lot of time, I film restoration step prior to ripping into HD digital is the way to make for really good HD.

While the resolution of film, old or new, can greatly exceed HD resolutions, especially on film negatives, measurements of scenes from movies transferred to 1080/24p master tapes (~270 Mbps) not long ago showed that the resulting maximum effective horizontal resolution was only 800--1100 lines (see quotes/sublinks (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9314235&&#post9314235)). And in movie theaters, after various stages of resolution-degrading prints from negatives and mechanical projection, maximum resolvable detail on screens is similar to that of 720p (see page 5 table (http://www.etconsult.com/papers/Technical%20Issues%20in%20Cinema%20Resolution.pdf)). -- John

I have seen a few old film musicals on excellent analog tv look almost as good as what I see on digital high def tv. Of course, it cannot have the definition of 1920:1080, but it has looked so good that it is almost breathtaking. I would love to see those films transmitted in digital high definition.

On the other hand, most filmed material from the days of yore does not reach the same high standard and I am still doubtful that, despite what experts may say, it will ever look as good as the specific old films to which I refer. Not all old films were made equally. (if you know what I mean.)

Presumably that technobabble refers to all film-based material, old History Channel film and otherwise.

Cartoon Network-HD --- (Channel Launching in October)

Any ideas? :)

Cartoon Network-HD --- (Channel Launching in October)

Any ideas? :)


Ideas about what

Cartoon Network-HD --- (Channel Launching in October)

Any ideas? :)

NOT looking forward to it, since it will be another Turner stretch-o-vision channel. All cartoons are 4:3 SD and at this time a stretched version of the SD feed is just a waste of bandwidth.

Considering what is actually available, I think TWC has a very good HD lineup here in Central Maine. I am a little curious about the History Channel HD, however, and would like to know how it looks in HD.
Dbstalk here (http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=97211) has a nice organized approach to review comments about the new HD channels, including the History Channel. It has not gotten good reviews.

NOT looking forward to it, since it will be another Turner stretch-o-vision channel. All cartoons are 4:3 SD and at this time a stretched version of the SD feed is just a waste of bandwidth.

actually i read somewhere that the cartoon network has been creating many shows in HD for several years in preparation so i think this one could be well worth it.

actually i read somewhere that the cartoon network has been creating many shows in HD for several years in preparation so i think this one could be well worth it.

Unfortunately the shows I watch on that channel are 4:3 anime and likely to be stretched.

I have seen a few old film musicals on excellent analog tv look almost as good as what I see on digital high def tv. Of course, it cannot have the definition of 1920:1080, but it has looked so good that it is almost breathtaking. I would love to see those films transmitted in digital high definition.

On the other hand, most filmed material from the days of yore does not reach the same high standard and I am still doubtful that, despite what experts may say, it will ever look as good as the specific old films to which I refer. Not all old films were made equally. (if you know what I mean.)

2 older movies spring to mind, West Side Story & Breakfast at Tiffanys. Both had spectacular HD transfers...

NOT looking forward to it, since it will be another Turner stretch-o-vision channel. All cartoons are 4:3 SD and at this time a stretched version of the SD feed is just a waste of bandwidth.

Ha... we just got TBS HD for the playoffs, so now that the Yanks have exited, I tuned into it for their programming. Some show called Family Guy, something I have never, ever seen. Took all of 3 seconds to see that is was SD stretched out. Decided that "strech-o-vision" was probably more accurately called...

DISTORT-O-VISION!

Ha... we just got TBS HD for the playoffs, so now that the Yanks have exited, I tuned into it for their programming. Some show called Family Guy, something I have never, ever seen. Took all of 3 seconds to see that is was SD stretched out. Decided that "strech-o-vision" was probably more accurately called...

DISTORT-O-VISION!

:) I don't have a problem with people stretching content to fill "their" screen. Just don't keep me from watching mine pillar boxed. :)

...Some show called Family Guy, something I have never, ever seen...
Is this sarcasm? Or are you waiting for them to start making new episodes of Matlock? ;)

2 older movies spring to mind, West Side Story & Breakfast at Tiffanys. Both had spectacular HD transfers...One real issue is the condition of the film when the transfer was made. There are lots of films on HDNet Movies, for example that are quite sharp, but the colors are faded. These were clearly transfers from faded prints. Then there are others that are complete restorations, going back to the original negatives (which have been carefully stored under archival conditions).

It may also be interesting to note that major re-releases of films in theaters (example: "Gone with the Wind" or "Snow White") are actually done by digitizing the original negatives, doing the restoration in the digital domain, then making a new ("restored") negative (as well as obtaining digital video in various formats) from that. This is a process that has been going on since the early 90s (mostly by a division of Kodak). I would bet that the really good transfers (like "West Side Story") are really restorations.

Some show called Family Guy, something I have never, ever seen.

Some show called Family Guy? Seriously?
I watch that show every day!

"Originally Posted by nickdawg
Wow, compared to other Time Warner markets, NE Ohio has to be the worst."


No we are:
Time Warner Cable Southwest (El Paso, Wichita Falls, Corpus Christi, Laredo, Border Corridor, Golden Triangle, Kerrville, Rio Grande Valley, and South Central)

706 HBO HD EAST
714 HBO HD WEST
840 HD MOVIES ON DEMAND
860 NBC
865 CBS
870 FOX
875 ABC
880 PBS
890 DISCOVERY HD
893 TNT HD
894 FSN HD (ALMOST NEVER)
895 ESPN HD
896 ESPN2 HD
897 MOJO
899 HD NET
900 HD NET MOVIES
901 UNIVERSAL HD

:mad:

"Originally Posted by nickdawg
Wow, compared to other Time Warner markets, NE Ohio has to be the worst."


No we are:
Time Warner Cable Southwest (El Paso, Wichita Falls, Corpus Christi, Laredo, Border Corridor, Golden Triangle)

:mad:
...That's pretty much the exact same channel list that we have here in Bakersfield (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11862536#post11862536), except you have Fox HD, and we have History and TBS which were added this week. On top of that, I pay $120 a month including internet, so I feel pretty much ripped off. (Our HD Special Events channel is probably the same thing as your FSN HD, because all they ever show on it are some FSN games on Saturday. Its off-air the rest of the week).

Here's the current TWC San Diego lineup:

700 HBO HD
701 CINEMAX HD
702 SHOWTIME HD
703 STARZ HD
704 4SD HD (Padres baseball HD)
705 CW
706 FOX
707 NBC
708 CBS
710 ABC
711 PBS (different schedule than regular PBS)
712 TBS
713 NBA HD
721 HDNET
722 HDNET MOVIES
723 MOJO
724 UNIVERSAL HD
725 HD PPV (preview/select)
726 HD PPV (view)
727 TNT HD
729 ESPN HD
730 ESPN2 HD
731 FSN HD (almost never anything - supposed to be Fox Sports West)
744 HD THEATRE
767 VERSUS/GOLF

That's 25 (channels) in all.

They are adding MSG-HD today so we can get the Sabres home games in HD this year

Anyone know if D* will be offering MSG HD any time soon? The Sabres home broadcasts are awesome.

Yay! First new HD channel in a long time for my local Time Warner - TBS HD! However, Seinfeld looks more like stretchovision and not HD at all. I thought the Seinfeld episodes were remastered in HD.

Yay! First new HD channel in a long time for my local Time Warner - TBS HD! However, Seinfeld looks more like stretchovision and not HD at all. I thought the Seinfeld episodes were remastered in HD.

The shows may be remastered and upconverted for HD. TBS-HD is using the same Turner stretch-o-vision as TNT-HD. The proper way to show Seinfeld and the other shows would be upconverted HD 4:3.

Unfortunately the people at Turner think people prefer stretched picture over sidebars. Obviously nobody at TBS owns a HDTV.

A good read about aspect ratios:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/aspectratios/widescreenorama.html

I would bet that the really good transfers (like "West Side Story") are really restorations.

I've said this exact thing in other posts, making the same point, that just increasing resolution of an old film doesn't always yield such good results. So once again, we find ourselves actually agreeing with each other, I like that!

Curiously, both films I mentioned I don't really remember as being as saturated as they were in their HD broadcasts. Personally, I very much DO have an aversion to oversaturation, while I have a filmmaker friend who way oversaturates her films... but in the case of those two, I find them "on the edge" but not over it.

Some show called Family Guy? Seriously?
I watch that show every day!

Jeeze, not sure why two folks seem to take umbrage at my mentioning this show. I re-read my post and can't fathom why some may think I was making a judgement call ON that show. The fact it isn't made in HD or widescreen has nothing to do with the POLICY of TBS I was taking a well deserved swipe at.

Yay! First new HD channel in a long time for my local Time Warner - TBS HD! However, Seinfeld looks more like stretchovision and not HD at all. I thought the Seinfeld episodes were remastered in HD.

HD and widescreen really are two very different things IMO, even though technically the spec does seem to call for widescreen. Best example is Star Trek TOS. It was a film restoration prior to being digitized into HD. BUT they did NOT try and create widescreen where none of filmed, so it's shown in 4:3. Undoubtedly, some will say it isn't real HD, but personally I do call it HD, just not processed with DISTORT-O-VISION (that applies to the NBC broadcasts I saw, apparently others saw it with the re-done effects IN widescreen, but to me they did right by not switching between to the 2 ARs).

Unfortunately the people at Turner think people prefer stretched picture over sidebars. Obviously nobody at TBS owns a HDTV.

Unfortunately, I've read too many folks (who register for forums like this) who seem to WANT it that way. Essentially, they want THEIR preference forced on the rest of us, never mind that fact they always DO have the ability to use stretch mode. And I'd bet you the majority all those who DON'T post here also think DISTORT-O-VISION is the "right" way.

All HD channels SHOULD use OAR and show non HD in 4:3. It's more trouble to switch your TV in and out of 4:3 sidebar mode than it is to set it on stretch for every channel. I say if you want to watch your TV the WRONG way, good for you, leave it set on Stretch all the time. But the program should come the RIGHT way from the source so the rest of us can watch it the RIGHT way!

And once again, I'm willing to bet it is STUPID PEOPLE that are responsible for this. Ever since I saw a person at an electronics store describing 4:3 and 16:9 with his hands and asking why the picture doesn't fill the screen. That's the same reason why the HD conversion is taking so long. These converter boxes are going to confuse the hell out of all the dee dee dee's out there and I'll bet people will complain that the HD converter boxes output in letterbox. End of rant!

My personal preference is I can't stand stretched picture. My cable box is set to output all SD signal with sidebars.

I do not use stretch but to call people who do wrong and stupid is wrong and stupid.

I do not use stretch but to call people who do wrong and stupid is wrong and stupid.While I would generally agree with you, I believe that nickdawg was really referring to the network execs at Turner (TNT & TBS) who have decided to force viewers of their SD programs to see a stretched version, thereby preventing the viewers a choice of how to view it. That IS wrong and it is also stupid.

Ha... we just got TBS HD for the playoffs, so now that the Yanks have exited, I tuned into it for their programming. Some show called Family Guy, something I have never, ever seen. Took all of 3 seconds to see that is was SD stretched out. Decided that "strech-o-vision" was probably more accurately called...

DISTORT-O-VISION!
WOW, you've never heard of Family Guy? Man, it's the funniest show on TV after South Park!

The network truly is WRONG to stretch the picture to fit the screen or "edit movies to fit the screen" The viewers at home are also technically WRONG to watch in the incorrect aspect ratio, but it doesn't matter because it's their own TV and they can do what they want. The network is STUPID for not listening to all of their viewers and providing a product that we can choose how to display. I keep posting this link, everyone who gets an HDTV or watches movies should read this: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/aspectratios/widescreenorama.html

Unfortunately, I've read too many folks (who register for forums like this) who seem to WANT it that way. Essentially, they want THEIR preference forced on the rest of us, never mind that fact they always DO have the ability to use stretch mode. And I'd bet you the majority all those who DON'T post here also think DISTORT-O-VISION is the "right" way.

The majority have no problem with non-stretched material and understand not everything is HD. That's why the vast majority of channels do not stretch it at the source. Only a few companies do so.

The networks using stretch do not want to call attention to how little material they have to offer in HD 16:9.

The majority have no problem with non-stretched material and understand not everything is HD. That's why the vast majority of channels do not stretch it at the source. Only a few companies do so.

I wish I could agree with that. Of all the friends and family I have that have HDTVs, I am the ONLY one that doesn't stretch the pic for SD material. I've pretty much at one time or another asked them all about it or even went as far as changing it for them (without them knowing it ;) ) and they all complain about the sidebars and don't want to see them. They always either tell me to leave it alone or switch it back. They don't care that the picture is distorted. They think it should fit the whole screen regardless since they have the wider screen. Wish it weren't true, but I'd guess that the average consumer goes the stretch route. Mostly it's folks like us that really care about quality that don't do that.

WOW, you've never heard of Family Guy? Man, it's the funniest show on TV after South Park!

Giggity!!

I really don't think they're using the HD transfers for Seinfeld on TBS. Looks like the standard def just being stretched. I have no problem with 4x3 HD if that's how it was shot originally. They're just showing an upconvert.

FOX Business News Channel: Launches Tomorrow.

So far, I've heard on the news it will be channel 185 in Northeast Ohio. There's also supposed to be a HD version of the channel, but nothing has been said about it. Knowing Time Warner, I don't expect to see it. At leat I won't have to see Ann Coulter's adam's apple in HD!! :) :)

According to the website channel listing, A&E HD will be on Ch. 746 in Manhattan.

Even though most of us in Manhattan don't have any other options, I'm glad TWC is starting to get the picture. Still, if my building let me, I'd be off to DirecTV in a heartbeat. I'm a little nervous that Universal HD is now not on the list. We'll see if that has anything to do with the carriage agreements.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx

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FOX Business News Channel: Launches Tomorrow.

So far, I've heard on the news it will be channel 185 in Northeast Ohio. There's also supposed to be a HD version of the channel, but nothing has been said about it. Knowing Time Warner, I don't expect to see it. At leat I won't have to see Ann Coulter's adam's apple in HD!! :) :)

Here in Cincy (Southwest Ohio) it has been added to the digital tier (channel 146). No HD though.

Orange Co, CA, TWC has weird additions for baseball playoffs and not sure which way it is going later. TBS-HD was added (ch. 417), with FSN-HD (413) also showing same thing now always, was sometimes. MoJo (422) is now available without HD tier and is showing FSN-HD stuff. Ch. 410 was added to tell us all about the stuff I just listed.

Dan (also do not like stretch and after a few days, the family agreed too)

So not everyone has all the channels on the front page that say "Now Available" ? Mostly looking forward to Cartoon Network HD and FX HD. :D

I'm in Los Angeles county. :)

So not everyone has all the channels on the front page that say "Now Available" ? Mostly looking forward to Cartoon Network HD and FX HD. :D

I'm in Los Angeles county. :)

"Now available" means systems other than Time Warner Cable have them

So not everyone has all the channels on the front page that say "Now Available" ? Mostly looking forward to Cartoon Network HD and FX HD. :D

I'm in Los Angeles county. :)

It's all depending on which title in "Red" that the particular HD channel falls under.

here are the 3 titles:
"Negotiations In Progress With TWC"

"Negotiations Unknown With TWC"

"Known Deals Done With TWC"

FOX Business did show up on channel 185, just like announced in NE Ohio. No new HD channels were added.

FOX Business did show up on channel 185, just like announced in NE Ohio. No new HD channels were added.

Well, in Austin we got SD FBN too, PLUS 4 other AWESOME channels:
# Fox Business Network - Channel 363
# America's Auction Network - Channel 281
# Shop at Home - Channel 284
# Celebrity Shopping Network - Channel 279
# ShopLatino to Channel 278 and Channel 616

xnappo

Well, in Austin we got SD FBN too, PLUS 4 other AWESOME channels:
# Fox Business Network - Channel 363
# America's Auction Network - Channel 281
# Shop at Home - Channel 284
# Celebrity Shopping Network - Channel 279
# ShopLatino to Channel 278 and Channel 616

xnappo

We already had some of those channels up in the 280s. That really shows Time Warner's stupidity to waste bandwidth on four garbage shopping channels, and one in two different places.

We already had some of those channels up in the 280s. That really shows Time Warner's stupidity to waste bandwidth on four garbage shopping channels, and one in two different places.

To be fair, we have SDV here and though I haven't looked, I am fairly certain they will be switched. However still annoying they are wasting their time adding things nobody wants.

xnappo

We already had some of those channels up in the 280s. That really shows Time Warner's stupidity to waste bandwidth on four garbage shopping channels, and one in two different places.Now how can you possibly fault TW for adding channels that PAY THEM, instead adding channels that they have to PAY FOR! :rolleyes:

Now how can you possibly fault TW for adding channels that PAY THEM, instead adding channels that they have to PAY FOR! :rolleyes:

Because he does not like those channels and that's what counts!

Because he does not like those channels and that's what counts!

Exactly! :)

In a time when Directv is adding several new HD channels a week, for Time Warner to add four shopping channels is PATHETIC. Time Warner braggs about their "Advanced Fiber Network" when it comes to their stupid phone service, but then they claim to not have enough bandwidth when it comes to HD. Newsflash Time Warner: your phone service is not going to save you, especially when AT&T and Verizon's new service is up in more areas. Even U-Verse has more HD than Time Warner.

I can confirm that Fox Business Network is now available in North Texas on channel 228.

TO ALL TIME WARNER CABLE CUSTOMERS IN NYC... is it just me or is TBS in HD the best high definition picture in any sports broadcast. I find that fox hd is a slight step down and espn hd is by far the worse. I notice a lot of pixels in the image for ESPN HD. Does anyone have any information on this?

TO ALL TIME WARNER CABLE CUSTOMERS IN NYC... is it just me or is TBS in HD the best high definition picture in any sports broadcast. I find that fox hd is a slight step down and espn hd is by far the worse. I notice a lot of pixels in the image for ESPN HD. Does anyone have any information on this?

It is one of the best and that is because in NYC they have TBS-HD broadcasting by itself. Usually they will pack 2 or 3 hd channels together thus reducing the picture quality.
You can discuss this and other TWC-NYC HD issues here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=297592&page=432

It is one of the best and that is because in NYC they have TBS-HD broadcasting by itself. Usually they will pack 2 or 3 hd channels together thus reducing the picture quality.
You can discuss this and other TWC-NYC HD issues here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=297592&page=432

2 isn't a problem at all..... 3 of course is.

I can confirm that Fox Business Network is now available in North Texas on channel 228.

Thanks for sharing that information. The online program guide is still dated mid-September and doesn't list it, and I haven't seen any announcement about it, but it is there and it does show in the onscreen Guide.

But wish they would add channels that I might actually watch, and HD ones at that.

It is one of the best and that is because in NYC they have TBS-HD broadcasting by itself. Usually they will pack 2 or 3 hd channels together thus reducing the picture quality.
You can discuss this and other TWC-NYC HD issues here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=297592&page=432




Thanks for the info. =] I just hope espn hd improves because the pixels are really annoying

This seems to be the most appropriate thread to voice my gripe.

I am a customer in the Time Warner Mid-Ohio Division. (The Zanesville portion of this region, if you want to be specific.) I am a sports fan, so I was glad to see Indians games in HD on SportsTime Ohio's HD channel this season. I never recalled seeing a Fox Sports Ohio HD channel, but never looked for it since I always watched the Indians. But now that I want to see Blue Jackets games in HD when shown, I am looking for the channel.

Problem is, FSN Ohio HD isn't there. Neither is STO HD anymore. Despite seeing Indians games in HD on STO last month, the channel is now gone.

If I go to Time Warner Mid-Ohio's channel guide, it's clearly there in black and white that I am to get the channels. STO HD is on 752 and FSN Ohio HD is on 753.

Thinking something could be wrong on my end, I first e-mailed Time Warner help. I got this response: "We show that these channels are on 752 and 753 in your area."

Okay. I then unplug my cable box and do a full reboot of it. Still no HD channels for STO and FSN Ohio.

I call Time Warner's 800 support number. The customer service rep was very polite to me, and she took my pertinent info to confirm my account. She then put me on hold, looked into it, and came back to me and said they no longer offer those channels. She told me that she didn't even know STO-HD had been dropped until she looked when I called.

I e-mailed TWC back and explained this to them and told them I was very upset over the decision to not have these channels. I am awaiting their response as of this posting.

I live in an apartment complex where trees tend to rule, so not only is a sattelite not allowed to be attached to the apartment, but even doing the trick of concreting a bucket (like a brother of mine in Florida does) won't work. I'm stuck with cable until I move elsewhere. But sometimes, I just wonder if I should go to DirecTV if I get the chance, because quite frankly, this kind of upsets me.

It could be they are just not listed right now(for STO HD) since they only broadcast home games in the regular season, which is months away until they show another program.

While I would generally agree with you, I believe that nickdawg was really referring to the network execs at Turner (TNT & TBS) who have decided to force viewers of their SD programs to see a stretched version, thereby preventing the viewers a choice of how to view it. That IS wrong and it is also stupid.

Truer words were never spoken!

Most of the time, the sports channels seem to do what I think is the 100% correct thing to do. They do NOT stretch 4:3 content, but they DO use something other than black or gray bars for side pillars. Usually it's a pattern or a pattern with their logo over it. Sometimes they do this trick of taking s vertical section of the edge of the 4:3 frame and blurring it a lot, then inserting it as the side pillar. If you look closely, you can see the same content playing, but if you really concentrate on the action, it all kind of blends into a seemingly widescreen image without being subject to DISTORT-O-VISION.

Exactly! :)

In a time when Directv is adding several new HD channels a week, for Time Warner to add four shopping channels is PATHETIC. Time Warner braggs about their "Advanced Fiber Network" when it comes to their stupid phone service, but then they claim to not have enough bandwidth when it comes to HD. Newsflash Time Warner: your phone service is not going to save you, especially when AT&T and Verizon's new service is up in more areas. Even U-Verse has more HD than Time Warner.

Based on my experiences over the past 2 years or so, anyone who cancels their normal phone service for theirs is in dangerous territory. 3 times I have been out of touch of IP for roughly 5 days each time. Plus I can add about 30-40 days where I had partial service, i.e. my IP connection was unavailable for at least an hour (or more).

In 40 years of paying for Verizon (and predecessors) phone service, I have never, ever NOT had a dial tone when I picked up the phone.

It could be they are just not listed right now(for STO HD) since they only broadcast home games in the regular season, which is months away until they show another program.

The channel *should* remain in the lineup, even if nothing's being broadcast. In San Diego, we have 4SD on channel 704. This is the channel the Padres home games (in HD) are shown on. The season is over, and for most part, there's a static picture announcing no HD programming at this time on this channel. The channel does not disappear during the off-season.

Caveat, 4SD does show other programming when it can get it. Also, (on the Time-Warner side of things) we have channels 713 (NBA TV-HD) and 731 (Fox Sports HD) that pretty much never have programming on them.

The channel *should* remain in the lineup, even if nothing's being broadcast. In San Diego, we have 4SD on channel 704. This is the channel the Padres home games (in HD) are shown on. The season is over, and for most part, there's a static picture announcing no HD programming at this time on this channel. The channel does not disappear during the off-season.

Caveat, 4SD does show other programming when it can get it. Also, (on the Time-Warner side of things) we have channels 713 (NBA TV-HD) and 731 (Fox Sports HD) that pretty much never have programming on them.
Our FSN in Orange County, CA shows color bars most of the time when Angels, Dodgers, Ducks or Kings are not on there. Dan