:):):)twc dallas just launched hd net movies which brings us up to 20 hd channels:):):)

Thanks for posting that Kevin. How did you hear about it? I wouldn't have known if you hadn't mentioned it here.

Bernie

Congrats... many of us think HDNet's 2 channels and DiscHD or NGHD are among the overall best HD channels out there. Content AND delivery.

As for the Cowboys being shut out of Austin, despite the fact I absolutely HATE that team (being a die hard Giants fan), I am just as outraged as you are ESPECIALLY with how they are playing this year. I'm sure the fact that there is such a huge pile of money floating around the NFL, the teams, and the players collectively feel they can very easily screw over their fans for even more bucks with total impunity.

According to our new online program guide we now have up to 31 HD channels, which includes ten "HD Movie" channels and eight premium channels. I'm including the four HD Tier channels among the premium channels. We still don't get FOOD HD, nor DISC HD nor NGHD. I canceled our HD Tier subscription about ten days ago. The only thing we were ever watching on it were Star Trek reruns. If the rep had told me they were baout to add HDNet Movies he might have kept me for at least another month, but I don't feel bad. We have trouble keeping up with the shows that are recorded on our DVR as it is.

I was in Austin last week and did watch the Cowboys game on Thursday afternoon. It wasn't blacked out on TWC there.

I was in Austin last week and did watch the Cowboys game on Thursday afternoon. It wasn't blacked out on TWC there.

Last week the Cowboys were on Fox.... nobody was blacked out..

This week they're on NFL Network... previous poster was talking about that...

Unlike Cable, FiOS FTTP (fiber to the premises) service has the capability to provide Internet speeds to 50 Mbps downstream and 10 Mbps upstream with plans to launch

READ UP ON DOCSIS 3.0 over 100mbps coming in 09'

does any1 know when TWC in upstate NY .. will get new HD channels?
alot of different towns upstate?

I have Time Warner Cable Northeast Ohio and I am not receiving any of the Cleveland Cavs games in high definition. I know that not all of the Cavs games are in HD but about half of them are. The program guide says that the Cavs are on FSN OH ch 531, as well as the official Cavs website says tonights game with the Celtics is in HD. All I am getting on ch 531 is a blue screen that says "The Blue Jacket game is not available due to NHL blackout rules." This message is always on that station and never changes. This has happened about the past 5 times the Cavs were supposed to be on the HD channel. What can I do? Anyone else have this problem? It's so frustrating because I know I am supposed to be receiving the game.

Definatly feel ya bro! We wanted to watch them tonight aswell, especially crappy as we just got hooked up today. Same dumb message about Hockey. Also are u recieving channel 523 Sports Time Ohio(STO)? we especially wanted this channel aswell for Cleveland Indians games, its listed in our channel line up specific to our zip code on the TWC NEO site(i cant post a link as per 3 post rule) it doesnt come up in the explorer and cannot be viewd at all, its not even there! Gotta love it!

Direct TVs site got a look for the first time today and i gotta say it looks very appealing, minus that slightly nasty charge for a HDDVD reciever. Called on some suport late here and got some on the other side of the US, i dont know where but they werent from around here, i know that, i had to explain to them my towns service comes from NEO outa Akron. They rebooted the reciever and said if it aint there i dont get it and they dont see it on our channel lineup on their end! :[ Way to go TW!! can anyone say false adevrts! anyway if you pop back on lemme know about that STO channel 531 and if you do got it may be your ZIP or a round about location for my case whe i try to getta hold of some tech level 2 or 3 support atleast to raise hell!

alot of different towns upstate?

? you asking where upstate im @ ? schenectady , Ny

I just looked at the TWC Q307 financial report and they made $793 million on $4 billion in sales with expected growth in Q4. That is almost 20% income, not bad.

And I just got a notice in my bill that my current service will go up about $4 a month -- gotta help the TW babies out!

Fios has just begun its rollout n the city of Newburgh in Orange County. I live in the Town of Newburgh, so I can't wait!!!! There new dispatch center is right down the road from my house and I see them mofos every morning lining up getting ready to head out and light this town up!!!

Fios has just begun its rollout n the city of Newburgh in Orange County. I live in the Town of Newburgh, so I can't wait!!!! There new dispatch center is right down the road from my house and I see them mofos every morning lining up getting ready to head out and light this town up!!!

Good luck. We had the cables installed over two years ago; but only are offered phone and internet service. NO TV !!!! :mad::mad::mad:

? you asking where upstate im @ ? schenectady , Ny

Ah, just flashed on my memories of Schenectady from being there in college circa 1966-1970.

Most interesting memory (this is certainly O/T) was spring 70 (Kent State & National Student Strike) was the college had Bill Kuntsler scheduled for a talk and 2 days on campus talking with various academic groups. They wanted to cancel him... we (small band of student "leaders" who were "running" the strike) went back to them and said we'd book a hall off campus and there very well might be a big march to campus. Implying LOTS of outsiders involved. We told them our intention was to allow ONLY our own students into the talk in the auditorium. The college relented, he spoke, he hung around, many folks learned some very interesting things (during one reception, I got to actually talk almost one on one for 20 minutes or so) and not one minor bad thing happened!

READ UP ON DOCSIS 3.0 over 100mbps coming in 09'Provided I have enough bandwidth to enable streaming multi-media HD content to some future HTPC, I will be good to go:

Right now my focus is more towards receiving as many additional HD channels as possible using a direct digital input connection to my one-way DCR PDP(s).

Verizon's new FiOS service will likely provide much more shared bandwidth than even the cable industry's new Docsis 3.0 technical standard from Cable Television Laboratories Inc. (CableLabs) (http://www.byteandswitch.com/document.asp?doc_id=111005&site=cdn)

Time Warner Cable has elevated Melinda Witmer.

The nation’s second-largest cable operator has promoted Witmer to executive vice president and chief programming officer. Most recently senior vice president and chief programming officer, Witmer will continue to lead Time Warner Cable's programming acquisition team, reporting to senior executive vice president Rob Marcus.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6506045.html

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6506045.htmlwhich means what for this ATW (http://www.timewarnercable.com/albany/) cable TV subscriber?

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6506045.html

OMG, I wonder if she got around to buying a HDTV set yet and had it installed properly?:eek:

Definatly feel ya bro! We wanted to watch them tonight aswell, especially crappy as we just got hooked up today. Same dumb message about Hockey. Also are u recieving channel 523 Sports Time Ohio(STO)? we especially wanted this channel aswell for Cleveland Indians games, its listed in our channel line up specific to our zip code on the TWC NEO site(i cant post a link as per 3 post rule) it doesnt come up in the explorer and cannot be viewd at all, its not even there! Gotta love it!

Direct TVs site got a look for the first time today and i gotta say it looks very appealing, minus that slightly nasty charge for a HDDVD reciever. Called on some suport late here and got some on the other side of the US, i dont know where but they werent from around here, i know that, i had to explain to them my towns service comes from NEO outa Akron. They rebooted the reciever and said if it aint there i dont get it and they dont see it on our channel lineup on their end! :[ Way to go TW!! can anyone say false adevrts! anyway if you pop back on lemme know about that STO channel 531 and if you do got it may be your ZIP or a round about location for my case whe i try to getta hold of some tech level 2 or 3 support atleast to raise hell!
Are you watching the game tonight? They seemed to have flipped the switch because I am seeing the Cavs game in HD now. I emailed them about it yesterday so I would like to think I had something to do with it. ;)

As far as STO goes, I too noticed that is is no longer listed in the channel guide. We had it throughout the summer so I was able to watch the Indians in HD. I think they took it off so that they could add TBSHD. Also, there are no Indians games in the winter so they probably just felt it was best to take it off for now and make room for another HD channel. I am sure they will bring it back when Indians games start.. if they don't they would never hear the end of it from their customers!

What model cable box do you have? I have the new 8300HDc and let me tell you it is absolutely terrible. It freezes all the time, its slow as hell and forgets to record sometimes. The software was not ready for primetime and hopefully there will be a firmware upgrade in the near future to fix these problems.

OMG, I wonder if she got around to buying a HDTV set yet and had it installed properly?:eek::D:D
Funny and sad.

Definatly feel ya bro! We wanted to watch them tonight aswell, especially crappy as we just got hooked up today. Same dumb message about Hockey. Also are u recieving channel 523 Sports Time Ohio(STO)? we especially wanted this channel aswell for Cleveland Indians games, its listed in our channel line up specific to our zip code on the TWC NEO site(i cant post a link as per 3 post rule) it doesnt come up in the explorer and cannot be viewd at all, its not even there! Gotta love it!

Direct TVs site got a look for the first time today and i gotta say it looks very appealing, minus that slightly nasty charge for a HDDVD reciever. Called on some suport late here and got some on the other side of the US, i dont know where but they werent from around here, i know that, i had to explain to them my towns service comes from NEO outa Akron. They rebooted the reciever and said if it aint there i dont get it and they dont see it on our channel lineup on their end! :[ Way to go TW!! can anyone say false adevrts! anyway if you pop back on lemme know about that STO channel 531 and if you do got it may be your ZIP or a round about location for my case whe i try to getta hold of some tech level 2 or 3 support atleast to raise hell!

STO HD is only on when there are home games for the Indians. Thee are no away games ever in HD on STO. Expect some stuff for spring training. Until then, the HD channel is off the air. This is not TMC, this is STO. I believe this is why you no longer see it in the guide.

What model cable box do you have? I have the new 8300HDc and let me tell you it is absolutely terrible. It freezes all the time, its slow as hell and forgets to record sometimes. The software was not ready for primetime and hopefully there will be a firmware upgrade in the near future to fix these problems.

I got that POS box, too.

What helps is every Sunday I unplug it, wait 30 seconds, plug it back in. Seems the longer it runs without a reboot, the worse it gets. Almost like a memory leak.

OMG, I wonder if she got around to buying a HDTV set yet and had it installed properly?:eek:

Probably not. Even so, I think EVPs at TWC get 5 figure bonuses at the end of the year, so she should be able to afford one what with 500 or so thousands going into her off-shore account.

Are you watching the game tonight? They seemed to have flipped the switch because I am seeing the Cavs game in HD now. I emailed them about it yesterday so I would like to think I had something to do with it. ;)

As far as STO goes, I too noticed that is is no longer listed in the channel guide. We had it throughout the summer so I was able to watch the Indians in HD. I think they took it off so that they could add TBSHD. Also, there are no Indians games in the winter so they probably just felt it was best to take it off for now and make room for another HD channel. I am sure they will bring it back when Indians games start.. if they don't they would never hear the end of it from their customers!

What model cable box do you have? I have the new 8300HDc and let me tell you it is absolutely terrible. It freezes all the time, its slow as hell and forgets to record sometimes. The software was not ready for primetime and hopefully there will be a firmware upgrade in the near future to fix these problems.


Yas we watched the game last nite :( im understanding now that the STO and FSN are only showing HD content on the HD channels and not the complete channel lineup of both SD and HD content.

We have the non card 8300HD reciever, no problems really, it has a card spot but no card, Other than the newer more future proof software is there any other hardware or software difference that would make me want a 8300HDc? do peeps withe HDc model get more channels or is that really only location dependant? because our HD line up is pretty weak.

We have the non card 8300HD reciever, no problems really, it has a card spot but no card,I don't think so. Perhaps you are looking at the "Smart Card" slot on the front of the 8300. I don't think that this function has ever been implemented.

Other than the newer more future proof software is there any other hardware or software difference that would make me want a 8300HDc?There is only BAD NEWS with the HDC models right now. In SARA areas there have been recording bugs (though a new software roll-out here a couple of nights ago appears to have fixed them). TW areas with Passport have migrated HDC customers to Navigator - and that's a whole other horror story! Stay PUT!
do peeps withe HDc model get more channels or is that really only location dependant? because our HD line up is pretty weak."peeps"

Speak english please! There is nothing within the HDC model that would get you more HD channels than you get with the HD model.

Yas we watched the game last nite :( im understanding now that the STO and FSN are only showing HD content on the HD channels and not the complete channel lineup of both SD and HD content.

We have the non card 8300HD reciever, no problems really, it has a card spot but no card, Other than the newer more future proof software is there any other hardware or software difference that would make me want a 8300HDc? do peeps withe HDc model get more channels or is that really only location dependant? because our HD line up is pretty weak.
There's no reason to get the new box if you have the regular 8300HD. Unless you want to deal with slow menus and constant freezing.

There's no reason to get the new box if you have the regular 8300HD. Unless you want to deal with slow menus and constant freezing.That is highly dependent on the software that is being used. SARA systems don't have those problems, but have had a different set (of problems). Please, if you are going to make statements like this, please be a little more clear of the software that you are talking about [SARA, Passport, or (most likely) Navigator].

Other than the newer more future proof software is there any other hardware or software difference that would make me want a 8300HDc?

Wouldn't call ANYTHING from them "future proof!" But seriously, there really is one BIG reason to want a 8300HDC. There are 2 different versions of it's software, one for the larger memory footprint 8300HDC and one for the 8300HD. As TWC has demonstrated over and over again, they can't be counted on to have one version that functions correctly. So trying to shoehorn a badly misbehaving applications into a tighter RAM machine seems a potential MORE disastrous course than releasing alpha software in production.

As soon as TWC-NYC starts pushing Craptigator onto 8300HD boxes in my market, I'll be first on line at the local TWC shop to get the HDC model. At that point, I will WANT a HDC box.

Wouldn't call ANYTHING from them "future proof!" But seriously, there really is one BIG reason to want a 8300HDC. There are 2 different versions of it's software, one for the larger memory footprint 8300HDC and one for the 8300HD. As TWC has demonstrated over and over again, they can't be counted on to have one version that functions correctly. So trying to shoehorn a badly misbehaving applications into a tighter RAM machine seems a potential MORE disastrous course than releasing alpha software in production.While your point that you might want the larger memory of the HDC is correct, your post is a bit misleading:
1) There are more than 2 versions of software used by TW - Passport, SARA, and Navigator. And multiple versions of each. Hoboeclipse's situation depends on which his system uses. I read your response as talking about versions of Navigator. You should have made that clear.
2) Getting a HDC now will force him into one of the newer versions of software. If he is on a SARA system (yes, not everything is the same as NYC) he will get an change from 1.89.xx.xx to 1.90.xx.xx. That one has it's problems and even a new "fix" pushed here in Rochester, NY two days ago has more problems (no surprise there). If his system is Passport then TW will force the larger footprint version of Navigator ("Crapagator" to many) on him.

In the future, it will undoubtedly be better to have the additional RAM, but RIGHT NOW that RAM comes at a cost of poor software.

I have a regular 8300HD ,and a 8300HDC and they work exactly the same without issues whatsoever. I added the HDC about 6 months ago. We use 1.90 SARA here in SC on a TWC system.

While your point that you might want the larger memory of the HDC is correct, your post is a bit misleading:
1) There are more than 2 versions of software used by TW - Passport, SARA, and Navigator. And multiple versions of each. Hoboeclipse's situation depends on which his system uses. I read your response as talking about versions of Navigator. You should have made that clear.

Yes I 100% WAS talking about 2 versions of Craptigator, I thought that would be clear. The question he raised was about wanting a HDC w/Craptigator. The REASON why one might WANT an HDC is when that "second" version got sent to the HD series of boxes.

2) Getting a HDC now will force him into one of the newer versions of software. If he is on a SARA system (yes, not everything is the same as NYC) he will get an change from 1.89.xx.xx to 1.90.xx.xx. That one has it's problems and even a new "fix" pushed here in Rochester, NY two days ago has more problems (no surprise there). If his system is Passport then TW will force the larger footprint version of Navigator ("Crapagator" to many) on him.

In the future, it will undoubtedly be better to have the additional RAM, but RIGHT NOW that RAM comes at a cost of poor software.

Well, the future could a LOT closer than you think. Again, the point I was making was that given the fact they have deployed software that was not even close to being actually ready to go into production, can you expect another version supposedly designed to be put into RAM limited boxes to be any better? The implication is that it probably would be far WORSE.

I have a regular 8300HD ,and a 8300HDC and they work exactly the same without issues whatsoever. I added the HDC about 6 months ago. We use 1.90 SARA here in SC on a TWC system.
I also have an HDC box running SARA v1.90.xx and it is rock solid. I had to replace three HD boxes because the drives went bad. That was quite a while ago though. I have to say I love how stable SARA is, but I REALLY want the new features of Navigator. However, stability is more important, so I'm hoping they work out all of the Navigator bugs soon.

Sadly :rolleyes: I leave this TWC community as I have joined DirectTV as of yesterday. For those of you who still continue to stay ask yourself Why??? If you have the chance take the leap! Look how long this thread had been going and ask yourself "Am I really happy with my programming choices or do I deserve better?" Honestly I don't know why it took me this long. I know money and location can be 2 obstacles but if neither is a problem ask yourself why you are still hanging on to a dead horse with all these new channels now available!
My curiosity will have me peeking at this thread to see if I made the right move. I hardly think I will regret my decision!!

Sadly :rolleyes: I leave this TWC community as I have joined DirectTV as of yesterday. For those of you who still continue to stay ask yourself Why???

It's pretty simple really. In the last year TWC has made great strides in HD. I now have all the channels that I consider "essentials". I would like the following channels to be added, and I actually believe they all will in the next year or two:

FX-HD
USA-HD
Sci-Fi-HD
BBCA-HD
Fox Sports South - HD

But, even if they don't, that's ok. It's not like it was with ESPN2, where I was furious I didn't have it. I can wait a few years for all of them.

There's also the fact that I have 5 tvs, 3 of them without boxes. I would render 3 of them basically worthless by switching to either D* or E*.

Plus, there's the fact that D* costs MORE per month for what I get from cable. (I'm ignoring the equipment costs completely. I went to the D* site and calculated what it costs to get the equivalent of the "digital tier" from cable, plus showtime + plus HBO. Even with the monthly lease costs for equipment from cable, DTV came out a few bucks more per month. Granted, I would get more channels for my more money, but I'm really not looking for more tv to watch.)

Honestly, it's not like I love TWC. I think they charge too much (but I recently discovered D* wasn't any better). They are obviously raking in record profits every year and continue to raise their rates. Their TV product IS inferior (but adequate for me). The best thing that could happen to either Dish or Direct TV to tempt me to switch would be if TWC drops analog cable. If/when they do that, I will be much more motivated to consider switching.

there no question twc will have to step up to the plate with hd, which I believe they will, with all the hd channels the *d is adding

Sadly :rolleyes: I leave this TWC community as I have joined DirectTV as of yesterday. For those of you who still continue to stay ask yourself Why??? If you have the chance take the leap! Look how long this thread had been going and ask yourself "Am I really happy with my programming choices or do I deserve better?" Honestly I don't know why it took me this long. I know money and location can be 2 obstacles but if neither is a problem ask yourself why you are still hanging on to a dead horse with all these new channels now available!
My curiosity will have me peeking at this thread to see if I made the right move. I hardly think I will regret my decision!!

Yes I have all the non-fringe, non-overly compressed, multi-room, non-pizza pan HDTV channels I want! Time for you to find that D* thread. ;)

If TWC does not add SciFi-HD and USA-HD by the end of 2008, I will be joining you gb4fan92. However, I would much rather stay with cable, so I'm hoping TWC will come through.

The best thing that could happen to either Dish or Direct TV to tempt me to switch would be if TWC drops analog cable.
How about developing a DVR with a widescreen IPG that goes out 12 days, lets you customize by omitting channels, needs just one press of the record key to schedule a recording (2 presses for a series), lets you prioritize scheduled recordings in case of conflicts, and logs reasons when a scheduled recording could not be made?

If TWC does not add SciFi-HD and USA-HD by the end of 2008, I will be joining you gb4fan92. However, I would much rather stay with cable, so I'm hoping TWC will come through.

Same here, though we have got a couple HD channel additions recently in our TWC area, we are still missing ten HD channels from what TWC subs in Columbia, SC are offered, for example:
IF we get these other ten in the next couple of months, I will feel no need to switch from TWC since these offer a balance of different HD channels.

However, if by mid-2008 and those other HD channels are not offered (Sci-FiHD, USAHD, BBCAHD, FXHD), then I hope by then all our network HD locals are finally offered in HD by D* (which now we only have 3):
So I can switch to a dish-only solution for HD channel access because OTA doesn't work at my location and D* keeps pushing HR21s lately, no HR20's, anyway.:D

I am going to stay with TWC. I have 3 sets and if I could have cablecard on all 3, I would be completely satisfied. Guess you can't have everything, since only one is cablecard ready ($1.75).

TWC has everything I want except that I'll be very happy to see FOX News, CNN and MSNBC arrive in HD. Also, another general entertainment HD channel or two would be nice.

Perhaps, the most important reason than I am satisfied is that my TWC system located in Central Maine was improved and well maintained by Adelphia prior to acquisition by TWC. Further, customer service from Mainers is quite possibly a little better than it might be in some other parts of the country. (A little State pride showing.)

If TWC does not add SciFi-HD and USA-HD by the end of 2008, I will be joining you gb4fan92. However, I would much rather stay with cable, so I'm hoping TWC will come through.I had Verizon install FTTP last Friday for Internet & phone service w/FiOS TV coming to Upstate NY during 2008.

Adiós Time Warner.

Same here, though we have got a couple HD channel additions recently in our TWC area, we are still missing ten HD channels from what TWC subs in Columbia, SC are offered, for example:
IF we get these other ten in the next couple of months, I will feel no need to switch from TWC since these offer a balance of different HD channels.

However, if by mid-2008 and those other HD channels are not offered (Sci-FiHD, USAHD, BBCAHD, FXHD), then I hope by then all our network HD locals are finally offered in HD by D* (which now we only have 3):
So I can switch to a dish-only solution for HD channel access because OTA doesn't work at my location and D* keeps pushing HR21s lately, no HR20's, anyway.:D

History HD anyone? Everyone else has that one.

History HD anyone? Everyone else has that one.
Yeah, I would love to see History-HD, Science-HD, and other channels like that. I suspect we will get those BEFORE we get SciFi-HD or USA-HD. Those channels seem to be popping up all over the place.

I had Verizon install FTTP last Friday for Internet & phone service w/FiOS TV coming to Upstate NY during 2008.

Adiós Time Warner.
If FiOS comes through with all the HD channels I want, and the price is right, I would have no problem switching. I suspect FiOS will be a little behind as far HD channels go, and my guess is the price will be about the same or even a little more than TWC. I have no loyalty to any service, I just want the best at a reasonable price. Seeing as none of their prices are reasonable, I'll just look for the best lineup.

History HD anyone? Everyone else has that one.

Yeah, I guess many, but not all, TWC locations have History HD or have notices that their TWC location will soon get it, but not our TWC-backward location of the country. :mad:

The way TWC in our area adds HD channels, one would think they believe that no one in their subscriber area has HDTVs:
Maybe Melinda Witmer runs the TWC Wisconsin Division.:eek:

If that's not the case, maybe she should do a through "review" of local TWC management since they are so afraid to add the other ten HD channels that are available from TWC that we still do not have, despite the 2008 price increase.

If FiOS comes through with all the HD channels I want, and the price is right, I would have no problem switching. I suspect FiOS will be a little behind as far HD channels go, and my guess is the price will be about the same or even a little more than TWC. I have no loyalty to any service, I just want the best at a reasonable price. Seeing as none of their prices are reasonable, I'll just look for the best lineup.Agreed, during the next two years I am receiving unlimited domestic local & long distance phone service plus Internet w/20 Mbps down & 5 Mbps up for $69.99 per month from Verizon FiOS. :)

Forget to mention what happens after two years?

Yeah, I guess many, but not all, TWC locations have History HD or have notices that their TWC location will soon get it, but not our TWC-backward location of the country.
Los Angeles market is just as backwards in HD on TWC, and this area is generally not thought of as behind the times (just impacted).
Dan

Forget to mention what happens after two years?Don't know, but I can always go back to Time Warner.

Don't know, but I can always go back to Time Warner.

You crawling back to TW? That would be fun-nee. :D

Los Angeles market is just as backwards in HD on TWC, and this area is generally not thought of as behind the times (just impacted).
Dan

I agree!!!!!!

You crawling back to TW? That would be fun-nee. :DCrawling? :confused:

WTF, just noticed that I have NGCHD! When did this happen? I'm in Orange County, NY.

Sweet, I've always wanted to see the Dog Wheeesperer in HD :D

WTF, just noticed that I have NGCHD! When did this happen? I'm in Orange County, NY.

Sweet, I've always wanted to see the Dog Wheeesperer in HD :D

Nov 15th

Nov 15th


Damn, I gotta logon to AVS more often LOL, thanks!

WTF, just noticed that I have NGCHD! When did this happen? I'm in Orange County, NY.

Sweet, I've always wanted to see the Dog Wheeesperer in HD :D

I recommend checking this site regularly.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html

WTF, just noticed that I have NGCHD! When did this happen? I'm in Orange County, NY.

Sweet, I've always wanted to see the Dog Wheeesperer in HD :D

Hopefully here in SoCal we'll have NGCHD very soon. After that all I will await is FX-HD and I'm set. :D

Hopefully here in SoCal we'll have NGCHD very soon. After that all I will await is FX-HD and I'm set. :D


I check the SoCal programming alerts page often, and there hasn't been an update in a while.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/socal/programming/alerts.html

After the KOCE and KTLA HD additions, this page has been silent.

Forget to mention what happens after two years?

Chances are he would have had zero interruption of service. In the past 2 years, with TWC's RoadRunner, I have "lost" IP connectivity for 3-5 days on three occasions. Plus about a half dozen measured in 2-4 hour chunks.

Los Angeles market is just as backwards in HD on TWC, and this area is generally not thought of as behind the times (just impacted).
Dan

Hey Dan, are their neighborhoods in LA that get up to 9 additional HD channels you do NOT get AND pay 10% overall less than you? That sure is the case in NYC (although the 9 became 7 2 weeks ago AND another neighborhood that was 7 more became 5 more)!

I recommend checking this site regularly.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/programming/channelchanges.html

Hmmm, I thought those 9 new ones in Woodside happened in mid November. We got NGHD (actually one of my most hoped for HD channels) so a quick glance says they have 8 more than what we Manhattanites get.

We got A&EHD and HGTVHD - that's all - in TWC Wisconsin, but I would send back crappy TBSHD in a second (if I could), just to get National Geographic Channel HD as you NYC TWC subs get.:D
And now...you subs are getting notices of even more HD channels...great for you, bad for us, since we still don't have CinemaxHD or StarzHD and you've had them for a long time.

Now that TWC Wisconsin has got these two newer HD channels in October, that will be it probably for a long,long time.
-Though TWC's telemarketers still are spouting deceptions like "10 or more HD channels by the end of the year"...yeah, right!:rolleyes:

I feel your pain gparris, the Charlotte, NC area got 4 new channels in October. A&E-HD, Golf/VS-HD, M-HD, and TBS-HD. In the 2 years that I have lived here, that are the only 4 new HD channels we have received. And I suspect that will be the last new HD we'll see in a long time.

Some of the HD channels we are missing here: HGTV-HD, Food-HD, StarzHD, CinemaxHD, NGC-HD, NHL Network-HD, Game-HD, Team-HD, TLC-HD, and so on...

abcward, I guess you are in the wrong location of the great state of North Carolina:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/PiedmontTriad/programming/freehd.html
I thought TWC "loved" the Carolina division/region more than that - everywhere there!
Here this TWC NC location offers many more HD channels, quite like what NYC in many areas will get shortly, as well as Columbia, SC and many locations in TX, get too.
Why TWC is so "location dependent" for HD channel availablity anymore, especially in a time where Directv can launch dozens of HD channels is hard for me to imagine.
Thanks for the "update", your location does, however, offer MHD and Golf/Vs.HD for what its worth.

gparris, that is the Raleigh area and it does appear that they have more HD that we do here in Charlotte. I hear bandwidth is the issue here [shocking!]. The region near here that irritates me more is the coastal areas of South Carolina [Myrtle Beach/Hilton Head] who is one of TWC's test regions. So they basically have EVERY HD channel that TWC has a contract with. I should move those 3.5 hours south and I wouldnt be complaining.

I thought TWC "loved" the So. Cal division/region more than that - everywhere there!
lol
;)

Southern California should be "loved" more, too, IMO, it's a bigger area with more subs.

But, honestly, TWC has had some time (years) to play "catch up" when D* had some satellite issues, but it didn't and now, they are finally trying.
But what did TWC think?
HDTV was a "fad" and few would buy them OR D* was "just advertising" about 100+ HD channels soon?
Actually...no, this didn't happen, HDTVs are more commonplace now than ever, making the demand for HD channels more important than ever and TWC is "wondering" what's happening (we know, it's called DirectvHD migration).

I think in our Wisconsin Division, TWC is using SDV because as it goes on line, that is how we are getting our newer HD channels:
None of them come in using cable card setups at all, from what has been reported by users here.
So bandwidth issues aren't as much of a problem for our location, anymore:
Just TWC managers, thinking like they used to in the past (before D*'s big HD channel additions):
We "got enough HD channels!"

IMO, no way enough HD channels until the other ten that are available in other areas, especially now, that we've got a 2008 price increase coming!

..I leave this TWC community as I have joined DirectTV as of yesterday. For those of you who still continue to stay ask yourself Why??? If you have the chance take the leap! Look how long this thread had been going and ask yourself "Am I really happy with my programming choices or do I deserve better?" Honestly I don't know why it took me this long. I know money and location can be 2 obstacles but if neither is a problem ask yourself why you are still hanging on to a dead horse with all these new channels now available!
My curiosity will have me peeking at this thread to see if I made the right move. I hardly think I will regret my decision!!So how do you like it so far? Now that MSGHD is on DirecTv, I’m ready to pull the trigger.

I'll be checking into this thread regularly. I've been with Time Warner Cable since 1991.. (that's about $9,000 that I have paid to TWC). Like many of you, I'm paying extra for the HD tier and I can't believe the lousy pickins.

TWC needs to catch up and catch up fast, otherwise I'm moving to Satellite.

I'll be checking into this thread regularly. I've been with Time Warner Cable since 1991.. (that's about $9,000 that I have paid to TWC). Like many of you, I'm paying extra for the HD tier and I can't believe the lousy pickins.

TWC needs to catch up and catch up fast, otherwise I'm moving to Satellite.

Same here, got cable when we built the house and moved in, but got D* in '96 through 2003, too.
Having both services all started because D* had the Sci-Fi Channel and TWC didn't, among other channels and sat meant a clearer picture even for SD.
Do I have both now that I moved in '03?
No, having both is too expensive and locally I missing half my network locals in HD to record on DVR, something I won't give up until D* has them all.
OTA doesn't work well in my location and lately, D* has been installing only the HR21s which don't do OTA for local HD.

Anyway, now history is sort of "repeating itself" with the migration once more from TWC to D*, if only for the availablity of more HD channels (clarity of picture and audio, once again). Only this time, once HD locals are completely available off the dish, there will be absolutely no reason to stay with TWC, period, this time or have both services (like last time).

You would think TWC had finally learned its "lesson", but no.:eek:

I feel your pain gparris, the Charlotte, NC area got 4 new channels in October. A&E-HD, Golf/VS-HD, M-HD, and TBS-HD. In the 2 years that I have lived here, that are the only 4 new HD channels we have received. And I suspect that will be the last new HD we'll see in a long time.

Some of the HD channels we are missing here: HGTV-HD, Food-HD, StarzHD, CinemaxHD, NGC-HD, NHL Network-HD, Game-HD, Team-HD, TLC-HD, and so on...

I'm in Huntersville and I am lamenting the lack of HD channels for the set I purchased three weeks ago. I am seriously considering the move to DirectTv.

For some there CAN be another factor is switching to satellite (for those that CAN switch). Broadband. I DO have a work related reason for needing broadband at home, in addition to a ton of personal reasons. If I COULD get satellite, TWC 10Mb/s RoadRunner would cost an additional 15 bucks's per month. In figuring out the cost/value equation, I'd have to add in that 15 buck upcharge.

The only alternative is DSL, but we are talking 10Mb vs. 3Mb and that makes a BIG difference.

However, FIOS triple play is what I REALLY want. TWC's digital phone is a joke (3 times in 2 years I was out of IP connectivity for 3-5 days each time, Verizon has 100% always had a dial tone in at least the past 2 years).

Very good Riverside_Guy:
Many of us contemplating switching to D* (if they can) from TWC cableTV service often forget about a pricing "increase" breaking those subscriber "bundles" (discounts) with TWC.
This is probably true with other cablecos, too, but I don't have any experience with these having TWC only in my area.

For me, the RR is only 7Mb/s max in my area, DSL is awful <1Mb/s with Verizon, so RR is a must, especially when working from home and assisting with the family business.

Digital Phone is fine most of the time, but it too, is "bundled" with the cableTV service, so D* alone without any cableTV service means an additional $10/month on the DPHone and RR service-for my TWC's subscription.:(

What I don't understand is why we can't even get someone from TW to at least address what their position is on all the new HD stations and their lack of desire to satisfy their customers, even just with information.
Here in the Albany NY are we have SDV but still have added no new content.
So much for the thought that SDV was the solution.

I agree, wdaub. I'm the position of just having bought my first HDTV. I've had TWC with a series 1 Tivo for years, and have been happy enough. But now the limited HD selection from them has me looking at DirecTV. I've sent TWC emails about their future plans for HD, and they won't say. They respond to the email, but they just tell me that they have nothing to announce, and whenever they do, it will be on their website. I had thought that maybe the reason my local TWC didn't have much HD was that they hadn't gone SDV yet-- but it turns out that they have. I was thinking about getting the Tivo HD since I don't like the TWC DVR, but that will only get about half of the paltry number of channels that they do offer until this "tuning resolver" comes out, whenever that is.

I have a deadline of early February to decide (that's when Tivo's offer of lifetime sub on the Tivo HD expires). So I may wait until early next year and see if there is any news from TWC. If not, I'm gone. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. They're screwing themselves big time here.

wdaub1:
TWC is nortiorious for not informing its subscribers about upcoming HD channels and it is very frustrating for many subscribers.
Our location recently got TBSHD, then A&EHD and HGTVHD, that's it, nothing more, sad to say.
Other TWC locations like San Antonio, TX have over three dozen HD channels (from what I can count), including the National Geographic Channel HD they just got recently.

So even if TWC wants to "grant" us any more HD channels (to make their price increase more palatable) before the end of the year, they won't tell us.
Directv will tell you, Comcast will (probably) tell you, but TWC won't and this (could be, probably) be because it is embrassed of its HD channel selection, so it just adds a one or two channels without notice, IMO.
Think about it, if your TWC location was about to add say, the ten (or more, depending on location) missing TWC-available HD channels to your area next month all at once, don't you think they would advertise it at least on their website? Of course they would!

Before you decide to switch HDTV providers, I would make a spreadsheet or list of what each offers, including channels you have and may want vs. pricing and setup costs and make a decision.
Be sure that you get your HD network locals, (if that is important to you) for either D* or E* in your lists because if you elect D*, more and more of the H21 and HR21 (the DVR model) are being offered-only, so no OTA integration is available anymore, at least not around my location's installs.

Either that, wait a bit longer for your particular TWC area to "wake up" to the competition on the satellite side.

wdaub1:
.............Either that, wait a bit longer for your particular TWC area to "wake up" to the competition on the satellite side.

I am not sure TWC will ever wake up; hard for a corpse to do that. My first HD was purchased in 2003. I now have 4. Was with D for 8 years until they delayed and delayed and were not forth coming about what they were going to do. Moved to TWC in 2005, (Phone, IP & TV/HD) when the rep told me that SDV was coming and that TWC would compete equally with D. Well two years later, it is exactly as has been described, a new HD channel here, another there, but no clear indication of what the future holds. To paraphrase the old Springsteen song, "500 channels and no HD on!" Investigating what it will cost me to make the move back to D.

justpassinthru:
I don't know what to think anymore because some TWC locations get all the TWC-available HD channels while others get just one or two and that's it!
Our current location of TWC Wisconsin just offers only 20 HD channels, including locals.
Of course, TWC advertises 23, since it includes the single HD PPV channel and two almost-never-used special-events channels.:eek:
Given that count and inclusions, some other TWC locations have 37 HD channels, including everything TWC currently offers.
Now, we have a price increase coming up in January to make matters worse...like throwing "salt in the wound":mad:

To my immediate south, Comcast in Chicagoland keeps adding and adding HD channels, last count was almost 40 (or should be by the end of the month).

Even if I cared less about recording CBSHD and CWHD (than I do) since it is not available in my DMA (again down the road in Illiniois on D*), my lease setup costs for D* were quoted to me at approx. $600 for 2 HD DVRs, 1 HD box and 1 SD box....ouch!

So between this D* pricing and the fact TWC is not even offering what other TWC locations are offering in my area for HD channels, it seems like a "rerun of the 1990's", when I got D* for my payTV provider (until I moved in '03).

All we got added from TWC was HGTVHD and stretch-o-vision A&EHD, big deal.
Now, I do watch HGTVHD now that we have it, but I keep on holding on for more HD channels..so where are they, TWC Wisconsin?:confused:

HGTV and A&EHD - Not counting our "Zoom 2" version of TBSHD, the last HD channel Columbus, OH added was ESPN2HD. But wait, we just got (sometimes - when it works) on-screen caller id.

Dish network would make a killing if they offered our locals in HD - hint, hint Dish.

National Geographic added giving us 30-some HD channels. No need for a pizza pan here.

National Geographic added giving us 30-some HD channels. No need for a pizza pan here.

What?
You got National Geographic Channel HD now, too?

It does not yet show that on TWC's site for SC:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/SouthCarolina/products/HDTVAvailableChannels.html

This channel just must have been recently added
...Great for you, bad for us other TWC subs in other areas - guess we'll have to "dish" TWC, literally!:p

National Geographic added giving us 30-some HD channels. No need for a pizza pan here.

How many is that without the locals? They don't count.

You b*st*rds :)

Not counting locals, we get 14 (16 w/our RSNs that when a Blue Jackets/Cavs/Indians HD game is on - that's when they remember to turn the channel on for it - we don't even get the Reds in HD):
HBO HD
Showtime HD
HD Theater
TNT HD
TBS HD
Versus
STO (when a game is on)
FSN (when a game is on)
MOJO
HDNET
HDNET Movies
Universal HD
ESPN HD
ESPN2 HD
HD Showcase on Demand
HD Movies on Demand (PPV)

What?
You got National Geographic Channel HD now, too?

It does not yet show that on TWC's site for SC:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/SouthCarolina/products/HDTVAvailableChannels.html

This channel just must have been recently added
...Great for you, bad for us other TWC subs in other areas - guess we'll have to "dish" TWC, literally!:p

Yes sometimes they appear before they tell us about them. A few years ago when they struck the ESPN HD deal it was up in about an hour.

Well then I guess with TWC in my area, it's a Wisconsin thing, sort of backward, unlike the state motto : "Forward".:eek:

TWC Wisconsin be the last to get the other ten HD channels everyone else who has TWC in their area is getting, won't we?:(

Is it to much to ask for NBC & ABC in hd? This is ridiculous!

gparris, that is the Raleigh area and it does appear that they have more HD that we do here in Charlotte.

Just as a correction, the Piedmont/Triad area is not Raleigh. The Triangle would be Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill Area. The Triad is Winston-Salem, Greensboro, High Point and Burlington.

From that list, The Triangle area does not have
# Food Network HD
# Lifetime Movie Network HD
# History Channel HD
# CNN HD
# HGTV HD

What?
You got National Geographic Channel HD now, too?

It does not yet show that on TWC's site for SC:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/SouthCarolina/products/HDTVAvailableChannels.html

This channel just must have been recently added
...Great for you, bad for us other TWC subs in other areas - guess we'll have to "dish" TWC, literally!:p

I believe he's in one of TWC's test areas, so of course he gets HD channels before everyone else does. Shoot, I'm 3.5 hours drive from him and I dont get close to what that area has. Jealous, I am...

I believe he's in one of TWC's test areas, so of course he gets HD channels before everyone else does. Shoot, I'm 3.5 hours drive from him and I dont get close to what that area has. Jealous, I am...

Probably an indication of what the future holds for you though. If you look at the difference between our HD channels and satellite's you are really getting into fringe channel territory in terms of viewers.

You b*st*rds :)

Not counting locals, we get 14 (16 w/our RSNs that when a Blue Jackets/Cavs/Indians HD game is on - that's when they remember to turn the channel on for it - we don't even get the Reds in HD):
HBO HD
Showtime HD
HD Theater
TNT HD
TBS HD
Versus
STO (when a game is on)
FSN (when a game is on)
MOJO
HDNET
HDNET Movies
Universal HD
ESPN HD
ESPN2 HD
HD Showcase on Demand
HD Movies on Demand (PPV)

Take out Versus and STO and add MHD and you have my So. Calif. location. One less than this list. /Dan

HD in Austin sucks balls too...thinkin seriously of switching to the D.

1501 KTBC-HD
1511 KVUE-HD
1521 KXAN 36/4 -HD
1531 KEYE HD
1541 KLRU HD
1611 HGTVHD
1612 Food Network HD
1617 Discovery HD Theater
1630 CNN HD
1635 ESPN-HD
1636 ESPN2 High Definition
1639 Fox Sports -HD
1654 TNT HD
1660 A&E High Definition
1664 MHD
1670 HBO High Definition ($$$)
1675 Cinemax HD ($$$)
1678 Showtime High Definition ($$$)
1684 Starz HD ($$$)
514 Universal HD ($$$)
1479 HD Showcase ($$$)
1656 Universal HD ($$$)
1687 MOJO ($$$)
1692 HD Net ($$$)
1693 HD Net Movies ($$$)
1698 HD Showcase ($$$)

Take out Versus and STO and add MHD and you have my So. Calif. location. One less than this list. /Dan

danki6x,

I hope you're doing what I'm doing and checking on the future availability of FIOS in your area. They've wired my neighborhood and put in lots of gear here. I'm just waiting for Verizon to light this candle and flick the switch. I'll be gone from TWC in a heartbeat.

HD in Austin sucks balls too...thinkin seriously of switching to the D.

that's not even close to the suck end of the TWC scale. That's in the quite good category for TWC.

that's not even close to the suck end of the TWC scale. That's in the quite good category for TWC.

Amen!!!

I might even settle on this and not go straying elsewhere (Verizon FIOS)!!.

I'd like to see a whole new thread on TWC grading them by regions and programming from Totally rocks (totally unlikely) to Totally Sucks (highly probable, especially in SoCal).

Austin TWC, -- also has TBS-HD, which is mostly stretchovision. I suspect the D* channels are like that too, mostly stretchovision, or upressed SDTV content on an HD channels.

Seriously though, the national networks (ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX) are pretty good, KLRU public TV is excellent (Austin City Limits), Discovery HD Theater cannot be matched. I don't watch sports (ESPN-HD, FOX-sports).

Mediocre, mostly stretchovision but sometimes they have HD content, A&E, TNT, TBS. MHD looks/sounds pretty.... definately HD.

Haven't paid much attention to HGTVHD, Food Network HD, but they definately have HD content.

I subscribe to HBO, and got Showtime as part of TWC "get-it-all" package with digital phone. And I have an HD-DVR, so I can record HD content when I'm not in front of the television. I record HBO/Showtime movies, "House" on Fox "30 Rock", etc. So far, we tried one On-Demand HD-movie, rather than rent it at the local blockbuster.

There's plenty enough HD content for me. Also, TWC's HD quality is very good. My kids would like animal planet HD. And I would like Disocvery HD (as opposed to Discovery HD-theater, which we already have), but again, I'm told the HD content is limited on those as well.

Also, we like TWC on demand SDTV stuff, that comes with HBO, & Showtime.

that's not even close to the suck end of the TWC scale. That's in the quite good category for TWC.

Yeah, I know. It really burns me when I read posts from people who have quite a good HD lineup from TWC and then say "it sucks". They have no idea. The only new HD channels we've gotten here in Charlotte, a major market, in the last 3 years are UHD (good), MTV-HD and ESPN-2 HD (occasionally good) and TBS-HD (completely worthless). Still no Cinemax or Starz HD, no Food or A&E HD, no HD on demand. :(

They say it's a bandwidth issue, yet they seem to find space for every new bandwidth-hogging analog channel that saunters by and hikes its skirt. Especially new Spanish language channels; can't seem to get enough of them. :rolleyes:

Just got an email from Time Warner Albany...

Time Warner Cable is working to add a series of new high-definition channels in the near future. Among the HD versions of channels to be added:

• CNN
• Food Network
• Fox Business News
• HGTV
• History Channel
• Lifetime Movie Network
• National Geographic
• Outdoor
• Versus/Golf
• Weather Channel

In addition, there are plans to add more HD versions of more than a half dozen of some of the premium channels that you enjoy, such as Cinemax, HBO, Starz and The Movie Channel.

We'll keep you informed via email, digital cable channel 1 and other means as these channels come on board.

Can't wait until these actually get added. With this addition, the only thing missing that I'll want is Discovery and The Learning Channel.

I have pulled the trigger, bye TW! I have signed up for Directv. between the huge $ savings all the HD channels made me switch.

We finally got our home theater done this summer so i have gotten really fond of watching HD on my PJ. I was happy with the TW HD channels at first, but now i want more. I live in the Triad area in North Carolina. We have 25 HD channels (i know thats more than other locations) but most of them are the locals and like PBS....so in reality the channal lineup sucks.

Good luck guys!

Look at the title of this thread.

Just got an email from Time Warner Albany...

"Time Warner Cable is working to add a series of new high-definition channels in the near future."

Working to add in the near future? What have you been doing for the past year while DirecTV was building and launching satellites?

Another example of TWC being late to the party.

Working to add in the near future? What have you been doing for the past year while DirecTV was building and launching satellites?

Another example of TWC being late to the party.

Are you sure that TWC knows where the party is?

FYI, Austin, TX TWC actually has over a half dozen HD channels we'd be thrilled to have in TWC Wisconsin, so don't whine so much.
Your neighbours in San Antonio, TX get almost every HD channel TWC has available, that's true, but you're not too far behind.

Albany, NY TWC : Great you are getting (finally) some more HD channels, those are all ones we don't get, either...and we ARE getting a 2008 price increase very soon for the three we did get (including useless TBSHD).:eek:
-and you got an email from TWC about these new upcoming HD channels:
That's incredible, because we just suddenly get our one or two on the TV grid and then...we know...in TWC Wisconsin.

I have pulled the trigger, bye TW! I have signed up for Directv. between the huge $ savings all the HD channels made me switch.

We finally got our home theater done this summer so i have gotten really fond of watching HD on my PJ. I was happy with the TW HD channels at first, but now i want more. I live in the Triad area in North Carolina. We have 25 HD channels (i know thats more than other locations) but most of them are the locals and like PBS....so in reality the channal lineup sucks.

Good luck guys!
direct-tv, http://www.bestdealsatellite.com/directv-calculator.html

199.00 HD/DVR, purchase
19.95 delivery fee
180.00 (59.99 * 3)
656.91 (59.99+13) * 8
-54.00 first 3 months, 42/mo, 18 dollar credit/mo
-------
10002 = 83.50/month (not including taxes)

By comparison, my TWC+highspeed+phone is 146/month, with taxes. The package includes the HD-DVR, showtime, and I added HBO. All together, today, our package includes 17 HDTV channels, and an infinite number of SDTV channels.

I don't think I can get phone plus high speed for much less than 75/month, even if I switched to DSL, which is not as good as high speed cable. Staying with TWC for phone+high speed would be more expensive yet. So, maybe I'm paying 70-75 a month for TWC's cable, including taxes.

At any rate, the monthly cable cost for TWC, as compared to switching to direct-tv, is at least in the same ball park, and probably cheaper. And I get the feeling that a lot of the "extra" hd channels are still mostly sd-tv upscaled at this point, but this is changing.

I'll revisit again in a year, but by I suspect TWC will remain reasonably competitive.

I'll revisit again in a year, but by I suspect TWC will remain reasonably competitive.

I too did a comparison between the two a couple months ago, and found cable to be cheaper than DTV comparing tv package vs. tv package - even if I included the lease fees for my 2 cable boxes and didn't penalize DTV for making me buy equipment up front. The notion that DTV is "much cheaper" or even "cheaper" than cable is simply not true if you want HD channels and one or more premiums. You get more, but you most definitely pay more.

I don't feel price is the issue -- content is the issue.

Don't forget the commitment, limited connections, buy-every-new-version-box, overly compressed channels, etc. As for the number of channels at some point you cross over from popular, mainstream to fringe channels.

Ok...After doing the calculations....

Despite TW's limited # of HD channels...it's still is one of the best deals out there...

With TW, I'm paying $70 per month for all the digital channels, DVR, 16 HD channels, 10 HBO's, & their sports package...and I have 4 TV's hooked up.

For a similar Direct TV package, it would be $96 per month for the 1st year ($106 after that), plus $120 for the equipment + installation.

Despite TW's limited # of HD channels...it's still is one of the best deals out there...
I didn't find this to be true. At all. My TW monthly bill was $92 and went to less than $90 when I switched to D*, for similar services, even adjusting for some teaser rates on D*.

Yeah, I know. It really burns me when I read posts from people who have quite a good HD lineup from TWC and then say "it sucks". They have no idea. The only new HD channels we've gotten here in Charlotte, a major market, in the last 3 years are UHD (good), MTV-HD and ESPN-2 HD (occasionally good) and TBS-HD (completely worthless). Still no Cinemax or Starz HD, no Food or A&E HD, no HD on demand. :(

They say it's a bandwidth issue, yet they seem to find space for every new bandwidth-hogging analog channel that saunters by and hikes its skirt. Especially new Spanish language channels; can't seem to get enough of them. :rolleyes:

uh, not to be picky, but we do have A&E-HD in Charlotte along with Versus/Golf-HD and we also have HD Showcase On Demand and HD movies On Demand. But your point is still valid.

I didn't find this to be true. At all. My TW monthly bill was $92 and went to less than $90 when I switched to D*, for similar services, even adjusting for some teaser rates on D*.

Same for my particular instance, the savings were $35/month, enough to recoup the lease setup cost of 2 HD DVR boxes at $199/each that was before the promotion "teaser" price for the premium channels.
The HD with DVR package with 4 premiums, 3 additional locations and that protection plan of theirs was a good deal, even if the RR and DPhone went up $10 without the cableTV part.
Once Navigator hits our DVRs and begins to really get us mad and the continued lack of HD channel additions hit on top of our upcoming price increase for 2008, that will do it for us, CBSHD or no (not avail. on D* for us).;)

Don't forget the commitment, limited connections, buy-every-new-version-box, overly compressed channels, etc. As for the number of channels at some point you cross over from popular, mainstream to fringe channels.

Maybe you should actually watch the new MPEG4 before making such statements. How was the NFL game last night? ;)

Maybe you should actually watch the new MPEG4 before making such statements. How was the NFL game last night? ;)

Oh my gosh, you just made me realize that I missed a football game. What will I ever do? Once you've missed a game, it's gone forever. There's really no going back. When I stop to think about it, I'm going to miss 8 football games this year. This is just awful.

Maybe you should actually watch the new MPEG4 before making such statements. How was the NFL game last night? ;)

Not many are Mpeg4. As for the game some give a crap, some don't.

FYI, Austin, TX TWC actually has over a half dozen HD channels we'd be thrilled to have in TWC Wisconsin, so don't whine so much.
Your neighbours in San Antonio, TX get almost every HD channel TWC has available, that's true, but you're not too far behind.


It's pretty safe to say that TWC's San Antonio group is ahead of the curve compared to other locations. We still get less than satellite but do get just about everything that TWC corporate is authorized to carry.

Finally have got some more hd channels added in Astoria Queens. This will keep me from jumping ship to Direct tv for now.
MHD
HISTORYHD
A&E HD
FOOD HD
LIFETIME HD
HGTV HD
TMC HD
VERSUS/GOLF HD
NHL HD

Finally have got some more hd channels added in Astoria Queens. This will keep me from jumping ship to Direct tv for now.
MHD
HISTORYHD
A&E HD
FOOD HD
LIFETIME HD
HGTV HD
TMC HD
VERSUS/GOLF HD
NHL HD

Yes, I read about that when I was comparing the amount of TWC-available HD channels available for various TWC locations, just to see how ripped-off we are in Wisconsin for TWC.
Based on what you subs have now, we are short about almost a dozen TWC-available HD channels, still, adding NHL HD missing in the list.

Staten Island and Woodside/Queens have about the same (as in almost everything TWC has available) number of HD channels.
Only one bourough has been shorted that has TWC for cable service as far as I can understand it.:o

Staten Island and Woodside/Queens have about the same (as in almost everything TWC has available) number of HD channels.
Only one bourough has been shorted that has TWC for cable service as far as I can understand it.:oNo, Staten Island (which is always crying about seceding from the City—hey, it’s Jersey as far as I’m concerned:p) and one little neighborhood in Queens.

It stinks. Just one more of the ridiculous inequities the residents of NYC have to deal with. Or, as some say, that’s the cost of living in the capital of the world.:rolleyes:

Thanks for the correction, LL3HD, I didn't understand about the whole NYC inequity thing with HD channel allocation:
Afterall, TW's corporate headquarters are in NYC, what an insult!

Why has TWC not signed a deal for the "Discovery Channel" suite of HD channels (Animal, Discovery, TLC, Science). These are "staples" of an HD line-up. Lifetime Movie Network, really now !!!!

Why has TWC not signed a deal for the "Discovery Channel" suite of HD channels (Animal, Discovery, TLC, Science). These are "staples" of an HD line-up. Lifetime Movie Network, really now !!!!

I don't know where the info from the first post comes from, but according to it, the deal is done and TWC will be adding in the next couple of months. Probably only to SDV areas though.

xnappo

Here is an article from tvpredictions.com-

Time Warner: 'Unlimited' HDTV Coming Soon
The company's CEO makes strong commitment to high-def.
By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (December 18, 2007) -- Time Warner CEO Glenn Britt says the cable operator will soon be able to offer an "unlimited" amount of High-Definition programming.

In an with the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Britt says Time Warner Cable is installing a new technology that will expand its high-def capacity.

While he didn't name the technology, Time Warner has been testing a new technology called Switched Digital Video that promises to offer more system space.
"We are putting in technology where we will essentially be able to have unlimited High-Definition," Britt told the newspaper. "In the next several months, we're going to be adding them rapidly."

"I'm a big believer in high-def, by the way," he added.

Time Warner now offers roughly 30 high-def channels in most markets, but has previously stated that it will soon be able to match satcasters DIRECTV and EchoStar which offer dozens of HD networks.

Britt did not name any new HD channels that Time Warner will add in the near future.

However, he chided DIRECTV, suggesting that it's promoting HDTV channels that don't broadcast full-time in high-def.

"I will admit they've done a wonderful job of marketing this," said Britt. "I would also say they are, if you look at the fine print, they are advertising a whole lot of channels that don't exist in High-Definition yet."

In other issues, Britt told the Journal-Sentinel that the cable operator is not close to making a deal with either the NFL Network or the Big Ten Network.



Interesting. Finally, TWC actually speaks out in a proactive manner. I'll be interested to see when all of TWC's markets ACTUALLY see the changes they are talking about. Sure, San Antonio and Coastal South Carolina will see these changes in the next couple months. But what about the majority of TWC markets? When will we actually see 'unlimited' HD?

Here is an article from tvpredictions.com-

"I will admit they've done a wonderful job of marketing this," said Britt. "I would also say they are, if you look at the fine print, they are advertising a whole lot of channels that don't exist in High-Definition yet."

As opposed to choosing to carry channels that don't broadcast anything in HD yet. :rolleyes:

What pisses me off, is in NE Ohio, they claim to have limited bandwidth, but I get multiple channels in HD for the SAME channel.

I get two TBS-HD's. So there is one wasted channel.

I get 4 or 5 of the local PBS channels(all with the exact same content). So there is 3 to 4 wasted channels.

I get two each of the HBO and Showtime HD channels. I am not talking the two different ones they offer of each(I believe one is East and the other is West), but two of each one. So here is another 4 wasted channels.

Add it up, and you have at least 8 channels using up bandwidth that could go to channels such as HistoryHD.

This is what pisses me off the most. If you have limited bandwidth, stop wasting it on the same channels!!!! Give me more channels. Just get rid of half of them, and give me 4 new HD channels, make them good ones like HistoryHD, DiscHD, Animal Planet HD, etc and I will be happy.

Right now, on a weekly basis, i check FOIS's site to see if they are available in my area.

I'd go sat, but the fact is those a-holes never want to set up the dish, I have had them out once for each service(dish and directtv), and those a-holes both did the same thing: 'uh, you have tall trees, stick with cable.' Meanwhile, i see dishes pointed directly into trees, and they have fine reception. My guess is that both of those a-holes didn't want to do it since it was raining each time they happened to come out.

Oh, both also started charging me for the service that was never, ever, once installed at my house after 6 months from the date it was supposed to be installed. i had to argue with my companies that it was never installed, your own installer said not to go with the service since he claimed he could not guarantee a good signal and i would be locked into an 18-month contract if it worked or not.

What pisses me off, is in NE Ohio, they claim to have limited bandwidth, but I get multiple channels in HD for the SAME channel.

I get two TBS-HD's. So there is one wasted channel.

I get 4 or 5 of the local PBS channels(all with the exact same content). So there is 3 to 4 wasted channels.

I get two each of the HBO and Showtime HD channels. I am not talking the two different ones they offer of each(I believe one is East and the other is West), but two of each one. So here is another 4 wasted channels.

Add it up, and you have at least 8 channels using up bandwidth that could go to channels such as HistoryHD.

This is what pisses me off the most. If you have limited bandwidth, stop wasting it on the same channels!!!! Give me more channels. Just get rid of half of them, and give me 4 new HD channels, make them good ones like HistoryHD, DiscHD, Animal Planet HD, etc and I will be happy.

Right now, on a weekly basis, i check FOIS's site to see if they are available in my area.

I'd go sat, but the fact is those a-holes never want to set up the dish, I have had them out once for each service(dish and directtv), and those a-holes both did the same thing: 'uh, you have tall trees, stick with cable.' Meanwhile, i see dishes pointed directly into trees, and they have fine reception. My guess is that both of those a-holes didn't want to do it since it was raining each time they happened to come out.

Oh, both also started charging me for the service that was never, ever, once installed at my house after 6 months from the date it was supposed to be installed. i had to argue with my companies that it was never installed, your own installer said not to go with the service since he claimed he could not guarantee a good signal and i would be locked into an 18-month contract if it worked or not.

99% of the time, when you are seeing the same channel in 2 spots - the cable company is actually sending just one signal at assigning it to 2 channels (so there is no wasted bandwidth)

Add it up, and you have at least 8 channels using up bandwidth that could go to channels such as HistoryHD.


This is very likely not the case. The 'channels' you see in the guide do not take up space if they are duplicated.

To see the 'real' channel you need to go into diags and look at the QAM frequency. For HD there will be 2-3 unique channels per QAM. For SD it is between 8-12 channels per QAM. Course then there is SDV... :)

xnappo

FWIW: The entire TWC system in South Carolina is using SDV. The majority of subs are in central South Carolina.

Staten Island and Woodside/Queens have about the same (as in almost everything TWC has available) number of HD channels.
Only one bourough has been shorted that has TWC for cable service as far as I can understand it.:o

You heard right... but it's worse. Astoria is right across the East River from Manhattan. None of those 9 HD channels are available in Manhattan. But the REAL rub is that those folks with 9 more HD channels PAY LESS. They CAN get a 10% discount from TWC, a discount that is NOT FOR MANHATTAN residents.

The irony is that OTA and satellite are far more widely available outside Manhattan. So those living IN Manhattan just do not have any alternatives... it's TWC or only DVDs on the big screen.

Thanks for the correction, LL3HD, I didn't understand about the whole NYC inequity thing with HD channel allocation:
Afterall, TW's corporate headquarters are in NYC, what an insult!

It's simple. Because there are NO alternatives for 96% of Manhattan residents, they CAN make us pay more for less... that makes for more profit AND is how the head honchos qualify for those multimillion dollar bonuses.

FWIW: The entire TWC system in South Carolina is using SDV. The majority of subs are in central South Carolina.

Yeah, I see you have virtually every HD channel that TWC has to offer, currently with SDV.
TWC Wisconsin, like other locations with SDV, does NOT offer these, however.
Our location's TWC Management - in Wisconsin - does not care to offer all those HD channels that TWC-South Carolina has in its lineup at all, sad to say.:mad:

We at least think (we know we have SDV) because the cable card subs are angry they cannot get the newer (as in the three) HD channels we just got because of this SDV implementation.:p

SDV does not in any way "guarantee" more HD channel availablity from the TWC Management Side, however, just it provides the "room" for them...big deal!:eek:

Here is an article from tvpredictions.com-



Interesting. Finally, TWC actually speaks out in a proactive manner. I'll be interested to see when all of TWC's markets ACTUALLY see the changes they are talking about. Sure, San Antonio and Coastal South Carolina will see these changes in the next couple months. But what about the majority of TWC markets? When will we actually see 'unlimited' HD?
Finally!! All I ask is that TWC keep their customers up to date on the status of their HD offerings. This announcement will keep me with TWC a little bit longer. I'm cautiously optimistic that I will see more HD channels soon. I'll give them until the first half of 2008 to either start adding the HD channels, or at least explain what the delay is. They are clearly planning on adding more HD, and it is only a matter of time before these channels start showing up.

FWIW: The entire TWC system in South Carolina is using SDV. The majority of subs are in central South Carolina.

We at least think (we know we have SDV) because the cable card subs are angry they cannot get the newer (as in the three) HD channels we just got because of this SDV implementation.Guys, how do you know they are using SDV? For more than a year we in Rochester, NY thought that we had SDV - turned out not to be true (yet). For some time TW has not been enabling new channels for CableCARDs, so when they do use SDV, folks won't loose channels that they were previously receiving.

There is a way that folks with SARA operated STBs can check their diagnostic screens to see if a channel is ACTUALLY in SDV (it says "Switched" instead of "Broadcast".

Finally!! All I ask is that TWC keep their customers up to date on the status of their HD offerings. This announcement will keep me with TWC a little bit longer. I'm cautiously optimistic that I will see more HD channels soon. I'll give them until the first half of 2008 to either start adding the HD channels, or at least explain what the delay is. They are clearly planning on adding more HD, and it is only a matter of time before these channels start showing up.
dack I don't mean to disappoint you, but I have heard the coming soon promise since at least January, which makes it a year now. It may well have been longer than that, i don't know, as I bought my HDTV in January. Without knowing what coming soon means, it looks to me like the cable companies got caught with their pants down while D* started planning for the HD move 3 years ago. So now they are feeding us the coming soon nonsense hoping to string us out for a few years. Now 2007 has passed and what percentage of the markets have SDV at the moment? Even if and when the technology does get a green light from the corporate HQ, which markets will choose to actually implement it? Will yours or mine?
As an example TWC corporate has signed a contract with National Geographic Channel in HD. Easily the most sought after HD channel out there. But how many markets actually have that channel available? And it is the end of 2007.

Rudy

dack I don't mean to disappoint you, but I have heard the coming soon promise since at least January, which makes it a year now. It may well have been longer than that, i don't know, as I bought my HDTV in January. Without knowing what coming soon means, it looks to me like the cable companies got caught with their pants down while D* started planning for the HD move 3 years ago. So now they are feeding us the coming soon nonsense hoping to string us out for a few years. Now 2007 has passed and what percentage of the markets have SDV at the moment? Even if and when the technology does get a green light from the corporate HQ, which markets will choose to actually implement it? Will yours or mine?
As an example TWC corporate has signed a contract with National Geographic Channel in HD. Easily the most sought after HD channel out there. But how many markets actually have that channel available? And it is the end of 2007.

Rudy
I can understand your frustration. I only just got my HDTV a few months ago, so I'm willing to be a little more patient,... for now. However, if TWC does not come through with more HD by the end of 2008 I will be forced to move over to Direct Tv. I'm optimistic about my chances of getting more HD because according to the first post in this thread, my area already has SDV installed. Also, now that Direct TV has rolled out a bunch of HD channels, TWC has no choice but to step up to the plate. Otherwise, they will lose a TON of customers. I figure it's a matter of survival for them now. I love HDTV, and I can see why people are frustrated about the lack of HD programming, but the truth is, the technology is still kind of new. And it's not like TWC will change their minds and decide NOT to EVER offer more HD. It's inevitable that most channels will go to HD.

I love HDTV, and I can see why people are frustrated about the lack of HD programming, but the truth is, the technology is still kind of new. And it's not like TWC will change their minds and decide NOT to EVER offer more HD. It's inevitable that most channels will go to HD.

I think at this stage HD being "new" is not a good enough excuse. It might be for the consumers who haven't been paying attention but for cable and sat providers it's been around a long time. TWC have had plenty of warning about the situation, it's not as if the DirecTV satellite was top secret.

In this area TWC used to brag about the fact that they could offer HD channels and that was over 3 years ago. In the Raleigh area WRAL started broadcasting HD back in 1999. As the second largest cable provider in the country which makes huge profits, TWC have had plenty of time to handle the situation and prepare for the future.

FWIW: The entire TWC system in South Carolina is using SDV. The majority of subs are in central South Carolina.

Does that mean that all of South Carolina's TWC DVR's and STB's are using Navigator then? Anybody still left down there using Passport or SARA? Or can only Navigator handle SDV?

99% of the time, when you are seeing the same channel in 2 spots - the cable company is actually sending just one signal at assigning it to 2 channels (so there is no wasted bandwidth)

Except many of them, liek PBS, are different channels, just with the exact same line up. We have like 4 or 5 PBS local channels, all different(like over the air channel 45, channel 49, etc).

Also, TBS, one is stretched and one is not stretched, which leads me to think two feeds there.

HBO and Showtime I figured as much.

Does that mean that all of South Carolina's TWC DVR's and STB's are using Navigator then? Anybody still left down there using Passport or SARA? Or can only Navigator handle SDV?

As I posted on the Navigator thread:
Just a bit of clarification here. There are lots of "solutions" for SDV. Navigator is one, Passport has another (that TW has decided not to implement), SARA has always had this capability, and the recently announced "tuning resolver" for TiVo, is yet another. SDV does not need OCAP.So having SDV, does not necessarily mean that there is any basic change in SW.

Additionally, Cable systems can't just change from Passport to SARA (or vise versa). There CAN be a migration to OCAP and Navigator on either system, but to date TW has not done that on a SARA system yet (they don't need to as SARA does most of the things that is of major concern to TW at the moment)

Above, I questioned IF SC actually does have SDV. It is difficult to tell if a system is actually using it.

Above, I questioned IF SC actually does have SDV. It is difficult to tell if a system is actually using it.

See this thread to determine is a channel is SDV or not:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11464993&postcount=6156

When your system goes SDV, not all channels will be SDV, just the ones that are less likely to be watched on a node at a given time. This is a good article on how the engineers implement the system:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6454447.html

xnappo

Here's a few URLs I'd filed away in my 'Cable' Notepad folder about the importance of picking least-watched channels for SDV:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6454447.html
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6463724.html

We have a stunning number of foreign-language channels here, most requiring subscription, on NYC's TWC. A local TWC insider wrote these would likely be one of the first SDV uses. Mostly Passport in use here, with 8300HDCs/Navigator being issued for new subscribers or as DVR replacements and maybe Navigator for some automatic firmware 'updates'. :rolleyes: Fortunately, from what I read, no Navigator firmware updates in mid-town Manhattan yet. -- John
--John

See this thread to determine is a channel is SDV or not:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11464993&postcount=6156

xnappo

How about on a Motorola based system? I'm in an area outside Cincinnati that TWC obtained from Adelphia; its a Motorola system and I have a DCH6416. One of the diag screens shows you the freq and channel-minor for each of the tuners. But I didnt see anything that indicates switched or not. I guess I could go thru a bunch of channels and write down the freq & channel minor and see if a bunch show up on the same freq.

Except many of them, liek PBS, are different channels, just with the exact same line up. We have like 4 or 5 PBS local channels, all different(like over the air channel 45, channel 49, etc).

Also, TBS, one is stretched and one is not stretched, which leads me to think two feeds there.

HBO and Showtime I figured as much.

Two of the PBS channels are digital simulcast of the analog OTA channels. The others are the actual OTA ATSC channels from the respective networks. TWC carries all of them.

Are you saying you have more than one TBS HD channel? Or are you talking about TBS and TBS HD?

Here's a few URLs I'd filed away in my 'Cable' Notepad folder about the importance of picking least-watched channels for SDV:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6454447.html
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6463724.html

We have a stunning number of foreign-language channels here, most requiring subscription, on NYC's TWC. A local TWC insider wrote these would likely be one of the first SDV uses. Mostly Passport in use here, with 8300HDCs/Navigator being issued for new subscribers or as DVR replacements and maybe Navigator for some automatic firmware 'updates'. :rolleyes: Fortunately, from what I read, no Navigator firmware updates in mid-town Manhattan yet. -- John
--JohnAn anonymous TW CSR has been posting some SDV updates in the RochesterHDTV forum and he indicates that they are doing EXACTLY that at the start - starting SDV with the foreign language channels so that they can more easily manage the start-up issues on a smaller scale. They have had some SDV "test" channels for a bit (only TW personnel were authorized to receive them), but they went away when the foreign language stuff went SDV. Next will be the other channels (UniversalHD, etc) previously slotted for SDV. Once that is stable, then they can introduce more HD (on SDV).

One (albeit S..L..O..W) step at a time.

Above, I questioned IF SC actually does have SDV. It is difficult to tell if a system is actually using it.SDV went live on TWCSC in December 2005. Our first SDV channel was Universal HD. Currently, we can see what channels are SDV thru the cable box diagnostic menu (they are labeled SDV).

Does that mean that all of South Carolina's TWC DVR's and STB's are using Navigator then? Anybody still left down there using Passport or SARA? Or can only Navigator handle SDV?TWCSC is SARA based with SA cable boxes. TWCSC recently introduced a Samsung CC based cable box. However, I do not know if it is using SARA or Navigator software.

The following list of HD channels are now live on Time Warner Cable in Maine:
nhl network (must subscribe to sports tier)
vs/golf
history
food
hgtv
lifetime movie network
cnn
fox business news
national geographic

TWCSC is SARA based with SA cable boxes. TWCSC recently introduced a Samsung CC based cable box. However, I do not know if it is using SARA or Navigator software.

SARA only runs on SA boxes, and the Samsung boxes were designed for OCAP. They will almost certainly run Navigator.

xnappo

The following list of HD channels are now live on Time Warner Cable in Maine:
nhl network (must subscribe to sports tier)
vs/golf
history
food
hgtv
lifetime movie network
cnn
fox business news
national geographic

Only History HD and NGHD are showing on my channel guide this morning (Waterford, ME). I hope we're getting the rest here as well

According to the Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville division website HERE (http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html) today their suppose to add:

HGTV HD – Channel 277
Food Network HD – Channel 278
National Geographic HD – Channel 279
I'm not getting them yet though.

The following list of HD channels are now live on Time Warner Cable in Maine:
nhl network (must subscribe to sports tier)
vs/golf
history
food
hgtv
lifetime movie network
cnn
fox business news
national geographicWhat, no Sci Fi channel?

According to the Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville division website HERE (http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html) today their suppose to add:

HGTV HD – Channel 277
Food Network HD – Channel 278
National Geographic HD – Channel 279
I'm not getting them yet though.
Sorry all. They were listed there as being added December 20, 2007 and showed in the channel listings page also when I posted it. There gone from both pages now.

31 channels of HD on Time Warner in Central Maine. Number 32 soon.

We added National Geographic here in Bakersfield last week on Brighthouse Networks. Our local cableco had previously moved ESPN and ESPN2 off of the HD Tier ($7/mo) and promised more HD channels by the end of the year. Unless they plan on adding at least one more by the end of next week, I'd have to say that they fibbed a little when they said "channels" (plural).

Albany Time Warner Cable added following new HD channels around 11PM on Thursday, December 20th:

• CNN
• Food Network
• HGTV
• History Channel
• National Geographic
• Outdoor
• Versus/Golf
• Weather Channel

All are using Switched Digital Video technology, so they are not available for those who use cable card devices.

Albany Time Warner Cable added following new HD channels around 11PM on Thursday, December 20th:

• CNN
• Food Network
• Fox Business News
• HGTV
• History Channel
• Lifetime Movie Network
• National Geographic
• Outdoor
• Versus/Golf
• Weather Channel

All are using Switched Digital Video technology, so they are not available for those who use cable card devices.

:D finally some new HD channels , i hope they add some of the discovery network channels next (TLC HD , Animal Planet HD , Discovery HD.. ect)

Edit - are Lifetime Movie Network & Fox Business News in HD ?? because i dont see them added

Albany Time Warner Cable added following new HD channels around 11PM on Thursday, December 20th:

• CNN
• Food Network
• Fox Business News
• HGTV
• History Channel
• Lifetime Movie Network
• National Geographic
• Outdoor
• Versus/Golf
• Weather Channel

All are using Switched Digital Video technology, so they are not available for those who use cable card devices.Are these channels in the 1800's for ATW?

BTW - The NFL has offered TW an opportunity to carry the Giants/Patriots game provided TW will enter into binding arbitration to determine the future carriage of the NFL Network by the cable MSOs.

Are Lifetime Movie Network & Fox Business News in HD ?? because i dont see them addedLifetime Movie Network & Fox Business News were not added last night. It is currently not known when/if the channels will be added.

Are these channels in the 1800's for ATW?
1823 Weather Channel HD
1839 History Channel HD
1841 HGTV HD
1842 Food Network HD
1846 CNN HD
1873 Versus/Golf HD
1874 Outdoor HD 1874 (Must subscribe to Sports Tier)
1876 National Geographic HD

Albany Time Warner Cable added following new HD channels around 11PM on Thursday, December 20th:

• CNN
• Food Network
• Fox Business News
• HGTV
• History Channel
• Lifetime Movie Network
• National Geographic
• Outdoor
• Versus/Golf
• Weather Channel

All are using Switched Digital Video technology, so they are not available for those who use cable card devices.

So far, I have 31 channels, including these, using cablecard. (Maine)

woah. Here in KY we don't even have all the locals in HD what a sham.

So far, I have 31 channels, including these, using cablecard. (Maine)

I am not in that area but i do have a 8300hdc DVR with a cable card in the back? would SDV work with that box? or will new boxes be required?

Anyone heard anything about SPEED HD on TWC? Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself since they don't even have the basic stuff, but I'm wondering if the national TW has an agreement with SPEED about it.

Anyone heard anything about SPEED HD on TWC? Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself since they don't even have the basic stuff, but I'm wondering if the national TW has an agreement with SPEED about it.

According to the very first post in this thread (which is updated regularly) - negotiations are unknown

WealthTV HD Files Complaint Vs Time Warner

The high-def channel charges Time Warner with favoring MOJO.

By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (December 21, 2007) -- WealthTV, a high-def lifestyle channel, has filed a carriage agreement complaint against Time Warner Cable.

The complaint, filed with the Federal Communications Commission, charges the cable operator with "unlawfully" favoring MOJO over WealthTV HD in deciding which channels to carry.

Time Warner is part of a cable consortium that owns MOJO, a 24-hour high-def network available on Time Warner systems.

The complaint charges that Time Warner is refusing to carry WealthTV because of its favoritism towards MOJO. Additionally, WealthTV says Time Warner copied its programming lineup in creating MOJO.

"Just as alleged in the complaint, TWC jawboned us while they studied our channel so they could copy it," said Robert Herring, Sr., CEO of WealthTV, in a statement. "Once they saw its success, they stole our idea and created an inferior knock-off, MOJO, and launched that instead of WealthTV. It's more lucrative for them to carry their own channel than to give us a fair chance to reach the public."

WealthTV features programs on lifestyle subjects such as automobiles, fashion and travel.

MOJO, which was formerly known as INHD, refocused its lineup this year to appeal to "upscale" males.

Time Warner had not issued a response as of this morning.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/wealthtv122107.htm

Now broadcasting in Wilmington, NC

National Geo HD
Food HD
HGTV HD

No notice at all and not listed on the website.
Sneaky Sneaky Time Warner

The official email announcement from Albany Time Warner Cable:

http://albanyhdtv.homestead.com/files/twchddec20072.jpg

I am not in that area but i do have a 8300hdc DVR with a cable card in the back? would SDV work with that box? or will new boxes be required?
SDV "should" work in pretty much ANY deployed, cable provided STB/DVR after firmware upgrade.

If TW Rochester doesnt pick up MSG-HD soon for Sabres Games, I guess its back to Satellite.

Supposedly DirecTV is turning on the HD feed for Sabres Games..I am wating for feedback to confirm before I switch.Anyone hear about this?

Now broadcasting in Wilmington, NC

National Geo HD
Food HD
HGTV HD

No notice at all and not listed on the website.
Sneaky Sneaky Time Warner

Whoa! I'm going to go check this out, thanks!

National Geographic, History and Fox Sports Midwest were added to TWC Kansas City today.

Not seeing the new channels in Wilmington, NC. Where are they?

According to the Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville division website HERE (http://www.timewarnercable.com/NC/programming/channelChangeUpdate.html) today their suppose to add:

HGTV HD – Channel 277
Food Network HD – Channel 278
National Geographic HD – Channel 279
I'm not getting them yet though.

All three available today TWC Raleigh

HGHD -277
Food TV HD- 278
NGHD - 279

Albany Time Warner Cable added following new HD channels around 11PM on Thursday, December 20th:

• CNN
• Food Network
• HGTV
• History Channel
• National Geographic
• Outdoor
• Versus/Golf
• Weather Channel

All are using Switched Digital Video technology, so they are not available for those who use cable card devices.

About time. I live in Slingerlands and have been clamouring for more HD. This stops me from going to Direct TV....for now. I still want the Science Channel and Discovery Channel in HD too. Hope those get here soon.

Lovely! TWC Albany adds 8 HD channels and announces plans to add 2 more. TWC Syracuse yet again adds nothing. Oh wait, we got NHL Network in SD earlier this month. And they show 1 game a week. I don't remember exactly when MHD and A&E HD were added in Syracuse, but if it wasn't in 2007 it would mean ZERO HD channels were added here this year. I think I'm going to be a DirecTV customer by 2009.

Piedmont Triad division in NC has National Geographic HD this morning on 553 as well.

We know have as follows:
410-HBO HDTV East
411-HBO HDTV West
436-Showtime HDTV East
437-Showtime HDTV West
501-UNC HD (PBS)
510-WGHP HD (Fox)
520-WFMY HD (CBS)
530-WXLV HD (ABC)
531-WMYV HD (My48)
536-WCWG HD (CW)
540-WXII HD (NBC)
545-MHD (MTV)
550-Discovery HD Theatre
551-TNT HD
552-TBS HD
553-National Geographic HD
554-A&E HD
555-History Channel HD
556-ESPN2 HD
557-HGTV HD
558-Food Network HD
560-MOJO (previously INHD)*
561-Universal HD*
562-HDNet*
563-HDNet Movies*
564-ESPNHD
569-Golf Channel HD/Versus HD
575-CNN HD
581-Lifetime Movie Network HD
611-HD Movies On Demand
612-HD Showcase On Demand

Piedmont Triad division in NC has National Geographic HD this morning on 553 as well.

We know have as follows:
410-HBO HDTV East
411-HBO HDTV West
436-Showtime HDTV East
437-Showtime HDTV West
501-UNC HD (PBS)
510-WGHP HD (Fox)
520-WFMY HD (CBS)
530-WXLV HD (ABC)
531-WMYV HD (My48)
536-WCWG HD (CW)
540-WXII HD (NBC)
545-MHD (MTV)
550-Discovery HD Theatre
551-TNT HD
552-TBS HD
553-National Geographic HD
554-A&E HD
555-History Channel HD
556-ESPN2 HD
557-HGTV HD
558-Food Network HD
560-MOJO (previously INHD)*
561-Universal HD*
562-HDNet*
563-HDNet Movies*
564-ESPNHD
569-Golf Channel HD/Versus HD
575-CNN HD
581-Lifetime Movie Network HD
611-HD Movies On Demand
612-HD Showcase On Demand

Sadly, I would kill for that offering of HD channels and we're not even that far away from you guys here in Charlotte.

Of your list, Charlotte is missing:

Food Network HD
HGTV HD
Lifetime Movie Network HD
CNN HD
National Geographic HD
History Channel HD
- and we only have one HD feed each for Showtime and HBO

Why the drastic difference between two markets so close in proximity??

abcward: up here in statesville we have pretty much the same lineup as you, except we have starz hd, and the statesville system was supposedly rebuilt, seems like we should be getting more hd than we get

Sadly, I would kill for that offering of HD channels and we're not even that far away from you guys here in Charlotte.

Of your list, Charlotte is missing:

Food Network HD
HGTV HD
Lifetime Movie Network HD
CNN HD
National Geographic HD
History Channel HD
- and we only have one HD feed each for Showtime and HBO

Why the drastic difference between two markets so close in proximity??


I wish I could tell you why the difference, I wish you had the channels. I remember when you guys had Universal HD and we never had it. I think I am lucky because I am part of the Greensboro market and I guess they classify that as an important market... who knows... I have yet to catch any HD on nat geo yet... either they havent gotten the channel all the way up or I have only seen non HD programming.

Not seeing the new channels in Wilmington, NC. Where are they?

HGTV HD (966)
Food HD (967)
Nat Geo HD (968)

I am wondering if this is 100% SDV which would mean you would need the lastest hd box to receive the new SDV channels. I could be way off on this so maybe someone can confirm? It explains why they arent advertising these new channels like they did in October with TBS-HD. They dont want a rush of HD people with older boxes wanting the new one. They would have another cable box shortage on their hands.

All three available today TWC Raleigh

HGHD -277
Food TV HD- 278
NGHD - 279

And they look horrible. Someone in our local thread said they were all using the same channel/shared bandwidth. I'm rather unfamiliar with all the cable technology, so not sure if this is the same thing as SDV or not, but if it's a taste of things to come, I'll be looking into DirecTV sooner rather than later.

And they look horrible. Someone in our local thread said they were all using the same channel/shared bandwidth. I'm rather unfamiliar with all the cable technology, so not sure if this is the same thing as SDV or not, but if it's a taste of things to come, I'll be looking into DirecTV sooner rather than later.

I know we are in different markets, but what Ive seen today on NAT GEO HD has looked pretty good. We have SDV, whether they are giving us the channel without compression I have no idea... but I know on the other 2 channels you listed they play a lot of scaled up non HD stuff. Maybe that is what you saw? The HD on those 2 channels in winston-salem tend to look pretty good.

-edit on your comment about using the same shared channel, I am sure they were implying that they are squeezing too many HD channels onto one frequency... not related to sdv.

Id think if there was SDV being used here in Raleigh, we would also AT LEAST have CNN-HD now, being its Time Warner owned. Im actually not sure why it wasnt added before HGTV/Food. Id also hope that if anything was being switched, it would be some of the crappier digital channels that can probably go a day or two without being viewed by anyone, rather than HD channels.

They would have to put about a dozen SD channels onto SDV to free up room for two HD channels.

It's much easier to switch HD.....which might only be viewable by 10-20% of users:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6498433.html
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6495849.html

I wish I could tell you why the difference, I wish you had the channels. I remember when you guys had Universal HD and we never had it. I think I am lucky because I am part of the Greensboro market and I guess they classify that as an important market... who knows... I have yet to catch any HD on nat geo yet... either they havent gotten the channel all the way up or I have only seen non HD programming.

All of the new channels they have added for Greensboro / Winston-Salem are all SDV and unlike Charlotte / Raleigh we are using SARA. I think Charlotte / Raleigh were using Passport. I'm guessing that's the difference....

They would have to put about a dozen SD channels onto SDV to free up room for two HD channels.

It's much easier to switch HD.....which might only be viewable by 10-20% of users:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6498433.html
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6495849.html
Good point. Most of the SDV articles in recent years point out the plan was to select least-watched channels for delivery only when subscribers select them. These two articles stress the least-watched aspect for SDV efficiency:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6454447.html
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6463724.html

NYC's TWC has a huge number of subscription international channels that qualify for SDV, and guess the large blocks of channels set aside for special sports shows qualifies, too. That is, all those unseen sports blocks are cabled to all cable users but only block subscribers can watch. But I'll take Albany TWC's newest HD adds (above) anyway I can get them.

What's the word on required edge servers for SDV and set-top-box operating systems? Is a new SDV-capable edge server required for every ~500 customers (local nodes) or are they installed farther back toward the head end? Might be a huge cost for large urban systems. And, as I've read, is Navigator an absolute SDV requirement on TWC systems (that can be updated to all HD STBs)? Navigator complaints seem to be waning a bit. -- John

Id think if there was SDV being used here in Raleigh, we would also AT LEAST have CNN-HD now, being its Time Warner owned. Im actually not sure why it wasnt added before HGTV/Food. Id also hope that if anything was being switched, it would be some of the crappier digital channels that can probably go a day or two without being viewed by anyone, rather than HD channels.



you can tell if it is a switched channel if you sometimes get the following message:"Channel unavailable at this time, please try again later".:rolleyes:

is anyone else having sound problems with the new National Geographic HD channel here in upstate Ny ? when i pause a show an play it again theres no sound , i can only hear the sound when im watching it live , i also noticed the audio sounds low compared to other channels

Cinemax has been on the air for a couple of years now. They are owned by Time Warner. Direct TV has it, but it's not available on most Time Warner systems, even here Greensboro. I don't think it's a negocation issue, just a lack of willingness to service their customers.

is anyone else having sound problems with the new National Geographic HD channel here in upstate Ny ? when i pause a show an play it again theres no sound , i can only hear the sound when im watching it live , i also noticed the audio sounds low compared to other channelsPlease be a little more precise about your definition of "Upstate NY".

Please be a little more precise about your definition of "Upstate NY".

capital region

Upstate New York is anywhere north of The Bronx.:D

Upstate New York is anywhere north of The Bronx.:D

HAHA! So true, I grew up on The LES for 28 yrs, then moved about 60 miles north to Orange County last yr........I say I live upstate, but my buddy in Syracuse begs to differ lol

Good point. Most of the SDV articles in recent years point out the plan was to select least-watched channels for delivery only when subscribers select them. These two articles stress the least-watched aspect for SDV efficiency:
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6454447.html
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6463724.html

NYC's TWC has a huge number of subscription international channels that qualify for SDV, and guess the large blocks of channels set aside for special sports shows qualifies, too. That is, all those unseen sports blocks are cabled to all cable users but only block subscribers can watch. But I'll take Albany TWC's newest HD adds (above) anyway I can get them.

What's the word on required edge servers for SDV and set-top-box operating systems? Is a new SDV-capable edge server required for every ~500 customers (local nodes) or are they installed farther back toward the head end? Might be a huge cost for large urban systems. And, as I've read, is Navigator an absolute SDV requirement on TWC systems (that can be updated to all HD STBs)? Navigator complaints seem to be waning a bit. -- John
TWC-SC (S. Carolina) has been running SDV under SARA for several years.
However, it's the first-off SDV prototype and I would expect they'll upgrade to
OCAP/Navigator sometime in the near future, due to obvious limitations in SARA.

They'll eventually have to support next-gen user-owned OCAP capable
STB/DVR, iDCR HDTVs and iHTPCs, hence, at some point they'll want to quit
add'l support for antique SARA headend S/W....

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In a Hybrid Fibre Cable (HFC) system, Edge Modulators/Switchers convert
high speed fibre-optic data signals to analog & QAM digital channels.
They drive the local neighborhood RF cable loop (power dividers/ampifiers).
PS: Each node only needs one partially populated, SDV/VOD capable
Edge Modulator/Switcher to add 32 switched channels:
http://www.rgbnetworks.com/products/pdf/usm_ds.pdf

Digital "stuff" (e.g VOD/SDV Servers) is typically at headend, since it's all IP-type traffic.

BTW: Edge Modulators could be located at headend, employing RF to Fibre-Optic
Up Converters (like FIOS) to send the entire cable RF spectrum to a F-O Down
Converter (like FIOS in-home unit). This would greatly simply the local node.

Here are Concurrent MediaHawk 4500, RGBNetwork & BigBand VOD/SDV figures:
http://www.ccur.com/vod_solutions.asp?s1=1
http://www.rgbnetworks.com/whitepapers/
http://www.bigbandnet.com/downloads/sol_paper_switched_dv.pdf

BigBand also posted White Papers re SDV statistics, but can't test lots
of HD if only a few are available to switch (cough, cough):
http://www.bigbandnet.com/index.php/sol_switch_dv.html
and related VOD info:
http://www.bigbandnet.com/index.php/sol_distributed_vod.html

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FYI: TWC made some H/W announcements, although individual systems may vary,
esp. wrt interchangeable Edge Modulator/Switches:
http://www.broadcastbuyer.tv/publish/Industry_Awards_79/Concurrent_Computer_Wins_Second_Technical_Emmy_Award_10211.s html
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=131870
http://www.rgbnetworks.com/news/pr_040906-time-warner.php

Upstate New York is anywhere north of The Bronx.:DYeh, I've heard that before - and is the PRECISE REASON why I asked (and ISunNY did not) folks to be MORE PRECISE about their location.

TWC-SC (S. Carolina) has been running SDV under SARA for several years.
However, it's the first-off SDV prototype and I would expect they'll upgrade to
OCAP/Navigator sometime in the near future, due to obvious limitations in SARA.

They'll eventually have to support next-gen user-owned OCAP capable
STB/DVR, iDCR HDTVs and iHTPCs, hence, at some point they'll want to quit
add'l support for antique SARA headend S/W.... <snip> Thanks for the usual remarkably well-documented answers. So much Navigator in the news, forgot about SARA/SDV, although I'd been tracking the various test and online sites. Hope to come across NYC TWC's installation details soon and be able to use SDV in Manhattan. Looks like they'll have to update our Passport systems to Navigator for those wanting SDV. -- John

I know we are in different markets, but what Ive seen today on NAT GEO HD has looked pretty good. We have SDV, whether they are giving us the channel without compression I have no idea... but I know on the other 2 channels you listed they play a lot of scaled up non HD stuff. Maybe that is what you saw? The HD on those 2 channels in winston-salem tend to look pretty good.

-edit on your comment about using the same shared channel, I am sure they were implying that they are squeezing too many HD channels onto one frequency... not related to sdv.

No, it wasn't upscaled stuff. Everything on these three new channels are blurry and pixelated. Even my wife noticed it. I do know the difference between something in HD and something upscaled. Sorry I wasn't clear before. I'm not a novice when it comes to this stuff, I just haven't fully kept up on the ins and outs of all the cable tech (i.e. SDV).

Actually, from what I understand in regards to Food HD and HGTV HD, both show all HD programming (other than the infomercials and some commercials). They have a seperate schedule from the actual shows since not all of their programming on the networks are both SD and HD.


Yup.... Note that they are all three on the same QAM channel (777Mhz) so they are 'bit rate challenged'. No guide data though....

That's what I was referring to btw. It's truly night and day the quality between our other HD stations and these three new ones..

No, it wasn't upscaled stuff. Everything on these three new channels are blurry and pixelated. Even my wife noticed it. I do know the difference between something in HD and something upscaled. Sorry I wasn't clear before. I'm not a novice when it comes to this stuff, I just haven't fully kept up on the ins and outs of all the cable tech (i.e. SDV).

Actually, from what I understand in regards to Food HD and HGTV HD, both show all HD programming (other than the infomercials and some commercials). They have a seperate schedule from the actual shows since not all of their programming on the networks are both SD and HD.


That's what I was referring to btw. It's truly night and day the quality between our other HD stations and these three new ones..

As a comparison... 1 hour show recorded on S3 TiVo on TNTHD is 7.35GB while a 1 hour show on AETVHD is 4.34GB. Quite a difference.....

The Charlotte, NC market received HGTV-HD, FoodNetwork-HD, and NG-HD yesterday.

It appears that TWC is intent on adding those 3 channels to every market from what I've been hearing. Good news.

TW Desert Cities (Palm Springs and vicinity) is scheduled to start receiving NG-HD, A&E-HD, History-HD, and TBS-HD starting 12/27. Apparently, they're removing at least one analog channel, thus creating some extra bandwidth for HD.

The Charlotte, NC market received HGTV-HD, FoodNetwork-HD, and NG-HD yesterday.

It appears that TWC is intent on adding those 3 channels to every market from what I've been hearing. Good news.

TWC only "intent" sure seems to be providing as little as possible for as much money as they can get away with. Why else would someone a few miles away in the same city get 9 MORE HD channels AND pay less than I do?

Their ACTIONS clearly spell out their intentions, anything else is simply marketing lies and mis-truths, also called "spin.".

TWC only "intent" sure seems to be providing as little as possible for as much money as they can get away with.

Actually I thought that was the idea. Correct me if I'm wrong but TWC is a for-profit enterprise. Even if it eventually is shown they have made some bad choices and some may not coincide with our preferences they are trying to maximize revenue. It seems to me them's the cold hard facts.

The Charlotte, NC market received HGTV-HD, FoodNetwork-HD, and NG-HD yesterday.

It appears that TWC is intent on adding those 3 channels to every market from what I've been hearing. Good news.

I'd guess that carrying those channels was the easiest and least financially problematic choice in order to bolster their "Home of FREE HD!" lineup.

They can't compete on quantity but as long as they can pad out their "FREE HD!" PR with as much as possible regardless of actual consumer need or HD programming quality, that's all they really care about.

is anyone else having sound problems with the new National Geographic HD channel here in upstate Ny ? when i pause a show an play it again theres no sound , i can only hear the sound when im watching it live , i also noticed the audio sounds low compared to other channels

Yes, I am having the same issue. I also recorded Science of Gigantism last week and it had no sound both times I tried. Now I'm looking to see when it will be on again.

Yes, I am having the same issue. I also recorded Science of Gigantism last week and it had no sound both times I tried. Now I'm looking to see when it will be on again.

its been a week already an they still havn't fixed it

Actually I thought that was the idea. Correct me if I'm wrong but TWC is a for-profit enterprise. Even if it eventually is shown they have made some bad choices and some may not coincide with our preferences they are trying to maximize revenue. It seems to me them's the cold hard facts.

There are TONS of companies that make TONS of money and they DO make major efforts at supplying services that make their customers quite happy. Being "for profit" bears no resemblance to using a total monopoly position to screw customers.

The "cold hard facts" are more along the lines that so many people adopt attitudes like that. When some get actual options, TWC will probably fall all over themselves to be accommodating to them. AND will likely retain a lot more customers than they might have IF ALL those customers were so frakking myopic.

Being "for profit" bears no resemblance to using a total monopoly position to screw customers.
It doesn't? Now, think about what you said.

Whining makes your argument weak.:rolleyes:

I had a customer get a new DVR in the Huntington Beach area. They got a SA 8300HDC. It had slick looking menus compared to my 8300HD. Does anyone have one of those and if so, how are they working out for you? By box seems to freeze up randomly on HD content.

I had a customer get a new DVR in the Huntington Beach area. They got a SA 8300HDC. It had slick looking menus compared to my 8300HD. Does anyone have one of those and if so, how are they working out for you? By box seems to freeze up randomly on HD content.And this has WHAT to do with "More news about HD on Time Warner Cable"? There are several other threads that talk about 8300 DVRs and the software they run.

HAHA! So true, I grew up on The LES for 28 yrs, then moved about 60 miles north to Orange County last yr........I say I live upstate, but my buddy in Syracuse begs to differ lol
Syracuse? Why that's practically Canada! Then, of course, there's Massena... ;)

I had a customer get a new DVR in the Huntington Beach area. They got a SA 8300HDC. It had slick looking menus compared to my 8300HD. Does anyone have one of those and if so, how are they working out for you? By box seems to freeze up randomly on HD content.

Yup, I have that one in north east ohio. Complete POS. I reboot it every Sunday as it seems to helps with the numerous lock ups, unexpected reboots, etc it has all the time. It is almost like the software has a memory leak.

Sometimes you have to reboot it 3 or 4 times after it starts to get flaky as it will only give me partial options, like not being able to record anymore.

And this has WHAT to do with "More news about HD on Time Warner Cable"? There are several other threads that talk about 8300 DVRs and the software they run.

Might have a lot to do with it being a new box, with different software, that TMC is using.

Don't be such a complete and total jerk for no apparent reason.

Might have a lot to do with it being a new box, with different software, that TMC is using.

Don't be such a complete and total jerk for no apparent reason.

Dave isn't being a jerk, he's rightly pointing out that there are numerous hardware threads discussing the 8300 in all of it's TWC incarnations and this isn't the place for them as we've discussed previously. Especially the 8300HDC and Navigator.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12359747&highlight=8300HD#post12359747

OK less than one month ago, ok today.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12359747&highlight=8300HD#post12359747

OK less than one month ago, ok today.

The difference a month ago is that it was bounced from a post about picture quality and the ability to get more channels with the box. There are plenty of topics to answer general question specifically about Navigator here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=42

Do check out the Navigator Forum. This is the current page:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=723830&page=97

If you are a Navigator user, it's a great read because the majority of people there all have the same problem. Now what does that say about Navigator?

Anybody else having sound issues with National Geographic HD? I'm in upstate NY (Saratoga Springs). Whenever the channel goes into or comes out of commercial, I get 5-6 beeps. Tried rebooting my box (yeah, shot in the dark) and it didn't do anything. None of the other HD channels (including the other 7 just added) are doing anything like this.

If anyone knows anything about it, let me know.

Anybody else having sound issues with National Geographic HD? I'm in upstate NY (Saratoga Springs). Whenever the channel goes into or comes out of commercial, I get 5-6 beeps. Tried rebooting my box (yeah, shot in the dark) and it didn't do anything. None of the other HD channels (including the other 7 just added) are doing anything like this.

If anyone knows anything about it, let me know.

Yes, it's been a on going issue. Not only you get the beeps you can't record the channel with sound. Try recording it or pausing then playing again...no sound.

Yes, it's been a on going issue. Not only you get the beeps you can't record the channel with sound. Try recording it or pausing then playing again...no sound.

Well that's annoying. It's one of my new favorite channels with the programming it has. I hope this gets resolved soon.

Cable giants aim to rule HD
Companies increase their offerings in high definition as customers upgrade their TVs
Frank Norton, Staff Writer. The News & Observer

Time Warner Cable and its rivals are in the early stages of a torrid campaign to win the latest battle for America's dens: high-definition programming.

With thousands of new sets installed in the past year, satellite and cable service providers are touting plans to multiply the number of HD channels they offer. Until recently, Time Warner had the edge in the Triangle. Now, armed with new satellites, DirecTV can claim the most high-definition programming.

But Time Warner, the nation's second- largest cable company, is spending $50 million in North Carolina and South Carolina to allow what it says will be an unlimited number of HD channels by the middle of this year. The company does have some ground to make up: Its offering of 26 channels trails DirecTV's lineup of 85.

For its part, DirecTV promises dozens of new HD channels this year. Even AT&T, the phone company, is planning to elbow its way into the fight by spending $350 million in North Carolina to introduce high-definition TV programming.

For consumers, the programming blitz is a win, at least in the short term.

"I don't expect to see much change in monthly fees, but I do expect to see more channels added to the plans," said Alfred Poor, a founder of HDTVProfessor.com.

Time Warner declined to predict how many HD channels it will offer after its new "switched digital" technology is completed. The system will free capacity in Time Warner's network by limiting the broadcast signal to the channel being viewed. The current technology sends all signals for all channels simultaneously, whether they are being viewed or not.

With the upgrade, Time Warner will be able to broadcast as many HD channels as it has agreements to distribute, said Brad Phillips, a spokesman for Time Warner Cable in North Carolina. The company will automatically upgrade all customers by mid-2008 without any change in prices, he said.

"Customers want more HD, and we're doing all we can to provide it," Phillips said.

Time Warner added 10 HD channels last year, including three last month: HGTV HD (Channel 277), Food Network HD (Channel 278) and National Geographic HD (Channel 279).

more (http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/855233.html)

I have a question....I recently cancelled a couple of premium channels from my Time Warner - South West Ohio (Dayton) and also got rid of a couple of stupid tier packages we never watched. One of those was the Sports tier (which I didn't know included the NHL Network - 261). Once I realised it was missing/off I called them back and they re-enabled the Sports tier. Now, I can't record anything on the NHL Network Channel (261), it says recording not available, not even a manual record will work. I do not have HD YET (end of the month) so both my tv and box are both analog. I used to be able to record this channel till they turned it off then turned it back on, now when I go to record it won't. Also, when I am watching the channel, everything looks great, then I go to the guide, the channel doesn't show the picture anymore it just says "hit exit to view hi-definition video" (which it shouldn't be, I didn't order HD yet). So I click exit, and the screen is blank with the sound still on. I have to change the channel to something else then come back to 261 to see the channel again. Anyone know what's going on? I am completely pissed I can't record anythign on this channel anymore.....BTW TW is totally usless when I asked them what was going on.

Thanks in advance for any answers to this stupid problem (yes I reset my box through them as well as unplugged it)

they fixed the sound problem National Geographic HD had

Wow! All those TWC investments sound great..... If you live in the Carolinas. I was hoping for a few new channels here in NE Wisconsin before years end. Looks like summer 08 is our next best bet.

Man, I am getting so sick of the lack of channels from Time Warner its actually making me mad. There are shows we just love on other channels and I am forced to watch HORRIBLE SD feed (i.e. Sci-fi channel). Just to see other people have nearly a hundred HD channels. Time Warner needs to get on the ball, I don't want to wait another year for HD channels, and then who knows what I will get. You can't even order HD pay per views (well you can in my area as long as its one of the 3 movies listed, and 1 is wrestling.) Its ridiculous that they can't get this rolled out sooner. I want to switch so bad to dish but 5 of my relatives had it and reported routine picture drop out when it rained/snowed and had to have it constantly adjusted.

I am in the North Carolina (east of Raleigh), and I call Bullshot in this happening anywhere in NC this year except the Triad-Greensboro Area (where SDV is currently being testing). We just now got Food, HGTV and Nat Geo in HD and are using the old boxes. I can't believe they are going to replace that much hardware that quick. Since the last few channel additions, the picture quality and decreased quite a bit.

I would love to go to DirectTV but I don't trust the signal going out, the upfront costs and the 2 yr. contract. (I'm trapped in a shotty ATT phone contract now!) So for now, I will continue to complain about TWC.....lol

I cut the cable, TWC, 8 years ago this month and will celebrate 10 years with DIRECTV on the 26th. I made some sacrifices, like using an outdoor antenna for networks I couldn't get waivers for, but after making the leap to HD in the Fall of 2005, I haven't regretted my decision. The local TWC offers 13 channels in HD and not all of the broadcast networks.

People in my area are now finding the waiver process has become a lot harder than when I did it, and I talk to a lot of folks who have gone HD and aren't thrilled with the lack of content through their provider.

So now TWC decides it's time to engage in the battle. :rolleyes: Typical approach. Rather than having foresight and being proactive, they now have to react. The reason DBS grew was the take it or leave it approach Cable seems to favor. I left it and don't regret it one bit.

As a consultant and HT installer, I offer a spreadsheet on my laptop for clients and I let them decide TWC Wisconsin vs. dish services since U-Verse is not available in my area or is spotty, at best.
FIOS TV is never happening locally I am told by them (although I live in a Verizon area).

As both the dish service/pricing and TWC service/pricing data is entered, it is based on what each offers for comparison.
Some of the future subscribers want more HD channels, while others like the free DVRs and so on.
In the spreadsheet I have setup, I input the customer's number of HDTVs, SDTVs and DVR requirements, along with package prices from all sources.
Not surprisingly, Directv usually wins for HD content and its local HD channel availablity from the dish, as many are resistant to the big outside antennas for OTA required to get anything - in our current area of Wisconsin.

Thing is, I understand bidger's comments, as I wish I had not left Directv when I moved to my new residence for TWC and its then-new HD DVR in late 2003.
My house was built/setup for Directv with phone jacks next to every RG6 outlet(s) throughout the house, just in case I wanted to change back.
Lately, it's the combination of increasing cable pricing and their advertising that I feel is deceptive locally, that is getting to me and worse, when I visit my brother's house to watch all those new HD channels from DirectvHD.

In the end, I am more becoming impatient lately with TWC Wisconsin for not at least offering the balance of HD channels it could that TWC does offer in places like: Texas, The Carolinas and even much of New York.
It's not like I am even waiting for a DirectvHD-selection, just what the other TWC locations currently (or will soon) offer for HD channel selection, to be fair and in all fairness to the subscriber-me.

How much longer will I wait for TWC to deliver at least another dozen or so TWC-available HD channels?

-When Navigator comes in for our DVRs and screws things up, eliminating Passport's excellent operation and I finally lose all patience with TWC Wisconsin.

Motorola just announced an MPEG4 opencable box. Also does switched video. Hopefully TWC will support this...

http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail.jsp?globalObjectId=9066_8995_23&pageLocaleId=2026

Motorola just announced an MPEG4 opencable box. Also does switched video. Hopefully TWC will support this...

http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail.jsp?globalObjectId=9066_8995_23&pageLocaleId=2026

But the existing SA boxes support switched video - it's just that some of the software (Passport) that TW uses doesn't support it.

Why the Carolinas? :rolleyes:

Why the Carolinas? :rolleyes:Why not?

Maybe cuz Scientific-Atlanta HQ is in "nearby" Lawrenceville, GA.
[And cable systems in Georgia are tired of being S-A guinea pigs????]

Why the Carolinas? :rolleyes:

Better than where you are. :rolleyes:

Sorry if these questions have been asked before but going though 100+ pages of info takes while which im in the process of doing now. I just read the news about TWC spending the millions for more HD in the Carolinas, thats good news to me! I wish they would do that for everyone else though as well. I can tell you though most of the HD channels here suck and half of them almost always have SD paid programming advertisements on them.

Anyway on to my few questions. I have a 50" Panny 750U and a SA 8300HDC(is this the latest box?) cable box hooked up via hdmi and ive selected 1080i and 720P in the options and ive switched between them back and forth on 720 channels and I cant tell any different in picture quality or size, aside from a bit of overscan difference like on some 720 channels with 1080i theres noise/lines at the top of the screen when the tv is set to HD size 2 or 1:1 mode. When I switch the 720 mode on the cable box for a 720 channel the lines at the top disappears, thats the only difference I can tell. Am I missing something? I think it looks just as good with the cable box set to output 1080i on all channels. Plus it takes time for the tv to change res modes on different channels when going from 1080i to 720 to 480.

So my question in short is keeping the 1080i on all the time on this box good or should I have it switch the resolution to what the channel originaly is?

And lastly, I like to listen to the music choice channels to get new music plus I like what they play on there mostly and I was wondering whats best to have the box output the audio type as, the dolby digital or the "Other" option? Theres also HDMI but I think thats the same as DD. I notice when I have it on DD, its louder on my reciever 2.1 speaker setup, but when I switch it to "other" the volume goes down a lot. Is "other" in LPCM or the like format like cd quality 1411 bitrate or lower?

Thanks for any info!!

You need the box thread. This thread is about HD programming on TWC.

Any news in the SoCal area?

Me and my 8 million neighbors apparently ARE going to have an opportunity to speak out in front of TWC AND the agency that grants TWC their franchise in NYC! Seems their agreement is up for it's 10 year renewal. Here is the schedule:

New York City will be holding five (5) public hearings, one in each Borough, to solicit comments from subscribers regarding the NYC Cable TV Franchise Renewal of Time Warner Cable, in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island and Cablevision, in the Bronx and Brooklyn. Hearings will take place from 3pm-7pm on the following dates and sites with informative websites. Written and/or oral comments may be presented at the hearing or to NYC DoITT by submitting comments here.

Bronx
Date: January 17, 2008
Hostos Community College - Repertory Theater
The East Academic Complex Building
450 Grand Concourse, Bronx, New York 10451
3:00pm-7:00pm
For further information go to: http://www.hostos.cuny.edu/directory/NEWDirectory/directions.html

Queens
Date: January 22, 2008
LaGuardia Community College - Main Stage Theater, E-Building
47th Avenue and Van Damn Street
Long Island City, New York 11101
3:00pm-7:00pm
For further information go to: http://www.lagcc.cuny.edu/visit/

Staten Island
Date: January 24, 2008
College of Staten Island - Williamson Theatre, Center for the Arts
2800 Victory Boulevard
Staten Island, New York 10314
3:00pm-7:00pm
For further information go to: http://www.csi.cuny.edu/catalog/undergraduate/travel.html

Brooklyn
Date: January 31, 2008
NYC College of Technology - Klitgord Auditorium
Klitgord Auditorium Building
285 Jay Street (at Tillary)
Brooklyn, New York, 11201
3:00pm-7:00pm
For further information go to: http://www.citytech.cuny.edu/aboutus/directions/index.shtml

Manhattan
Date: February 7, 2008
Borough of Manhattan Community College
Richard Harris Terrace - Tribeca Performing Arts Center
199 Chambers St. New York, New York 10007
3:00pm-7:00pm
For further information go to: http://www.bmcc.cuny.edu/about_bmcc/directions.html

Obviously I strongly URGE all in NYC to attend their borough's session. I sure as hell will be downtown on 2/7!

Why the Carolinas? :rolleyes:

Hey I'm in the Carolinas.....how bout a little HD for us.:)

I have a 50" Panny 750U and a SA 8300HDC(is this the latest box?) cable box hooked up via hdmi and ive selected 1080i and 720P in the options and ive switched between them back and forth on 720 channels and I cant tell any different in picture quality or size...,
With adequate displays, generally AVSers report being able to see the added PQ delivered by 1080i programming compared to 720p. After all, 1080i has twice the format/spatial resolution, even though the delivered effective resolution (resolvable detail) doesn't differ by that much. On your 1080p panel, good 1080i programming on, say, CBS (live sports, late shows), HDNet or Discovery Theatre, should offer crisper images than most 720p program shots such as a live ABC or Fox sports event.

See lots of reports about 8300HDC not switching between 720p an 1080i with HDMI settings, so maybe 1080i only output would be best. One alternative is trying YPbPr hookup, perhaps bypassing temporary 8300HDC 720p/1080i HDMI switching problems in STB firmware; (awaiting automatically updated firmware). If it's somehow 'stuck' at 720p only, your 'tossing out' (downscaling) 1080i's higher effective resolution, besides bringing in a double scaling requirement: HDC downscaling 1080i to 720p, then 750U upscaling 720p to 1080p. Minimizing scaling, which can degrade image PQ is the best approach. As someone mentioned, there are various 8300HDC threads in a number of relevant forums covering this STB and any operating system variations, perhaps including discussion in a local forum here for cable. -- John

With adequate displays, generally AVSers report being able to see the added PQ delivered by 1080i programming compared to 720p. After all, 1080i has twice the format/spatial resolution, even though the delivered effective resolution (resolvable detail) doesn't differ by that much. On your 1080p panel, good 1080i programming on, say, CBS (live sports, late shows), HDNet or Discovery Theatre, should offer crisper images than most 720p program shots such as a live ABC or Fox sports event.

See lots of reports about 8300HDC not switching between 720p an 1080i with HDMI settings, so maybe 1080i only output would be best. One alternative is trying YPbPr hookup, perhaps bypassing temporary 8300HDC 720p/1080i HDMI switching problems in STB firmware; (awaiting automatically updated firmware). If it's somehow 'stuck' at 720p only, your 'tossing out' (downscaling) 1080i's higher effective resolution, besides bringing in a double scaling requirement: HDC downscaling 1080i to 720p, then 750U upscaling 720p to 1080p. Minimizing scaling, which can degrade image PQ is the best approach. As someone mentioned, there are various 8300HDC threads in a number of relevant forums covering this STB and any operating system variations, perhaps including discussion in a local forum here for cable. -- John

Johnn's right on the money here.
I Have a 50" panny plasma and the Sa8300 upconverting 1080I The 1080I loks just a bit sharper and i leave it on 1080I

Hey I'm in the Carolinas.....how bout a little HD for us.:)

I'm just jealous. I live in L.A., and one would think why they don't go for a bigger market in a heavily populated city or state. No offense, but I'm baffled. Carolinas of all states?

No offense, but I'm baffled. Carolinas of all states?
Must be the NASCAR:)

I'm just jealous. I live in L.A., and one would think why they don't go for a bigger market in a heavily populated city or state. No offense, but I'm baffled. Carolinas of all states?

If you look at the number of customers in the Carolinas on wikipedia it would seem like the Carolinas systems are probably #3 for customers. Texas perhaps is #1, although they don't show customer numbers for NY - I'm guessing NY is #1, or #2 for customers.

Wikipedia only shows 700,000 customers or so in the LA area....they show 1.763 million in the Carolinas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner_Cable

Wikipedia only shows 700,000 customers or so in the LA area....they show 1.763 million in the Carolinas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner_Cable

those numbers were before the Adelphia/Comcast take over.

The L.A. cluster is now closer to 2 million.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA526508.html

I'm just jealous. I live in L.A., and one would think why they don't go for a bigger market in a heavily populated city or state. No offense, but I'm baffled. Carolinas of all states?

Diana's legacy :) Back when Time Warner ran things even more locally than they do now, the Carolina's were always on the cutting edge with new boxes/firmware and actually decent support. For some reason that division cares about their customers. Crazy I know. (in all fairness, Austin is a fairly decent TWC division too).

xnappo

why they don't go for a bigger market in a heavily populated city or state.

It goes by smarter and good looking population too. ;)

I'm just jealous. I live in L.A., and one would think why they don't go for a bigger market in a heavily populated city or state. No offense, but I'm baffled. Carolinas of all states?

Considering areas of SC are test markets I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of their Carolina budget goes that way. :rolleyes: Notice they didn't specify to which state the majority of that cash is going.

Everyone is assuming that because they announced the amount they are spending on upgrades in the Carolinas in a local newspaper that they aren't spending money in other markets. They are only telling NC viewers what they are doing because those are the people that they need the money from.

The main reason I posted that article was to give people an idea of the timeline. That means six more months before any progress is made in the Carolina area. And that's if they keep to schedule, and we know how that goes.

Diana's legacy :) Back when Time Warner ran things even more locally than they do now, the Carolina's were always on the cutting edge with new boxes/firmware and actually decent support.

Stop confusing South and North Carolina! They aren't the same even if they share the last name, we have better college basketball. ;)

NC hasn't been TWC cutting edge for a long time and Diana had little impact on our area. It's barely even a butter knife edge now.

Stop confusing South and North Carolina! They aren't the same even if they share the last name, we have better college basketball. ;)

NC hasn't been TWC cutting edge for a long time and Diana had little impact on our area. It's barely even a butter knife edge now.

:) okay okay - sorry I should have said SC !

xnappo

Looks like I'm just in time for a Carolinas related question! Raleigh, North Carolina...

So, I hate TWC...but I'm in an apartment and haven't wanted to mess with D*tv. So, I give TWC as little money as possible...I have Basic service only and RRLite internet. So my current bill per month is $43. I obviously don't watch a lot of TV.

However, I'm seriously looking into buying a PS3 and an HDTV to go with it. So what I'm trying to figure out is whether I will get the HDtv feeds for the local broadcast channels for free under my basic pkg. (PBS, ABC, CBS, NBC) I did search this thread and it looks like the answer is yes based on some previous notes. Can anyone confirm? (As long as my new HDTV has a tuner, right? So no box required.)

As a side question to that...will I have to take my Series 2 (and therefore non-HD) TIVO out of the way or can the connection remain: wall>Tivo>TV?

Thanks!

Looks like I'm just in time for a Carolinas related question! Raleigh, North Carolina...

So, I hate TWC...but I'm in an apartment and haven't wanted to mess with D*tv. So, I give TWC as little money as possible...I have Basic service only and RRLite internet. So my current bill per month is $43. I obviously don't watch a lot of TV.

However, I'm seriously looking into buying a PS3 and an HDTV to go with it. So what I'm trying to figure out is whether I will get the HDtv feeds for the local broadcast channels for free under my basic pkg. (PBS, ABC, CBS, NBC) I did search this thread and it looks like the answer is yes based on some previous notes. Can anyone confirm? (As long as my new HDTV has a tuner, right? So no box required.)

As a side question to that...will I have to take my Series 2 (and therefore non-HD) TIVO out of the way or can the connection remain: wall>Tivo>TV?

Thanks!

Yeah you will get a couple channels. When I hook the cable directly to my HDTV i get PBSHD FoxHD and either ABC or NBC. I have no idea why all the locals do not show up. I am wondering if you should consider just ditching cable and get an antenna. Since your in a metro area you probably have strong signals and maybe could get away with an indoor digital antenna. HD for free. Check it out. http://antennaweb.org/aw/Address.aspx

Looks like I'm just in time for a Carolinas related question! Raleigh, North Carolina...

So, I hate TWC...but I'm in an apartment and haven't wanted to mess with D*tv. So, I give TWC as little money as possible...I have Basic service only and RRLite internet. So my current bill per month is $43. I obviously don't watch a lot of TV.

However, I'm seriously looking into buying a PS3 and an HDTV to go with it. So what I'm trying to figure out is whether I will get the HDtv feeds for the local broadcast channels for free under my basic pkg. (PBS, ABC, CBS, NBC) I did search this thread and it looks like the answer is yes based on some previous notes. Can anyone confirm? (As long as my new HDTV has a tuner, right? So no box required.)

As a side question to that...will I have to take my Series 2 (and therefore non-HD) TIVO out of the way or can the connection remain: wall>Tivo>TV?

Thanks!

To tune the digital stations (including HD stations) without a cable box your TV will need to have a QAM tuner. (It will have an ATSC tuner which will let you receive over-the-air digital stations.) Many HDTV's do include a QAM tuner in addition to an ATSC tuner.

As far as your Tivo goes, your Tivo will continue to work exactly as it currently does. Your new TV will probably have multiple inputs. You can connect your Tivo to one of the inputs and the cable directly to a different input. Of course you will need a splitter to feed the cable signal to both the Tivo and your TV.

thanks beazster and bernie...I am looking into internal antenna vs. my position to the source but will also make sure the tv's I am looking at have QAM.

I see that this would be more relevant to the local Raleigh thread in the local hdtv area above so I will put any further questions there. Thanks!

I could have sworn this thread used to be stickied. Why is it not, I call DirecTV bias, they have a sticky!

So, does anyone know what we can expect next for TWC? They seem to like 2-3 channels at a time. Any ideas? Time frame (I know markets vary, but it's rarely just one market that gets a new channel)? Weather HD, I think I saw someone got that a few pages back?

Come on, someone has some info or rumors, lets hear them.

I could have sworn this thread used to be stickied. Why is it not, I call DirecTV bias, they have a sticky!

Nope, never been stickied. Why ... ?

So, does anyone know what we can expect next for TWC?

because of that.

Unlike DirecTV, TWC are reluctant to announce anything they are doing and they rollout new channels so infrequently there's not enough information to make this thread very active on topic. Look back and see how much actual news is reported versus just general chat about the service.