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URFloorMatt

12-09-08, 06:00 AM

also, they are pulling Sleuth from the lineup on January 14th. Sounds like that network isn't going to make it (and wont be launching an HD simulcast).

No one else has pulled it, so I'm not sure. Back in the summer NBCU announced it was consolidating its cable networks in New York, with Sleuth and Universal HD reporting to USA Network (and Chiller reporting to Sci Fi).

It may be a carriage issue with TWC, though usually you hear about those things.

EDIT: No, I'm right. It's probably a carriage issue. Admittedly, this doesn't explain why Sleuth is getting the axe but none of the other NBCU properties are. It may have something to do with NBC launching Sleuth by shutting down Trio a couple years ago.

The press release posted on DSL Reports:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21440362-TWC-Time-warner-adds-new-HD-channels-in-NYC

November 7, 2008

Time Warner Cable agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, and carriage of programming services is discontinued only in rare circumstances. The following agreements with programmers are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services in the near future:

Azteca America, BBC on Demand, Chinese Channel, Chinese Cinema, Encore, Encore Action, Encore Drama, Encore Love, Encore Mystery, Encore Western, Encore WAM, Fuel TV, Great American Country (GAC), Game Show Network, HITN, NBA TV, NHL Network, Oxygen on Demand, Sci Fi Channel, Showtime, Showtime Beyond, Showtime Extreme, Showtime Family, Showtime Next, Showtime ShowCase, Showtime Too, Sleuth, Starz, Starz in Black, Starz Cinema, Starz Comedy, Starz Edge, Starz Kids & Family, Supercanal, The Movie Channel, The Movie Channel Xtra, The Arabic Channel, RTVi, RAI, NGTV, TV Japan, Universal HD, USA Network, and WNBC.

In addition from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned for customers in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and Mt. Vernon:

We have just been notified by the program provider of NBA programming that it has decided, effective November 10th, to discontinue its NBA Preview channel, the promotional barker channel currently being carried on basic service on channel 400. Further, the program provider has decided, effective November 11th, to feature additional NBA League Pass Games on Channel 410 as part of their NBA League Pass Sports Package. Please also be advised that Team HD, which we formerly notified you would be added to Channel 410, will now be added to Channel 411, effective December 17th.

Effective November 19th: In Manhattan: We will add additional channel positions for the following premium services: HBO HD will now appear only on 780 and 651, Cinemax HD on 776 and 658, Starz HD on 777 and676, and Showtime HD will now appear on 779 and 666.

Effective December 8th: In Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens: Prayer Channel on 97 will be renamed The NET.

Effective December 17th: In Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and Mt. Vernon We will launch Crossings TV on channel 503 for digital tier customers; Discovery Familia on 870, Cine Mexicano on 871, TV Colombia on 872 and Latele Novela on 873 for DTV en Español customers; NBA TV HD on 461 to HD Xtra customers and TEAM HD on 411 to NBA League Pass customers. VS/Golf HD on 794 will change to VS HD.

In Manhattan: HBO HD will now appear only on 651, Cinemax HD on 658, Starz HD on 676, and Showtime HD will now only appear on 666. In Manhattan and Mount Vernon: We will launch HD Movies on Demand on 700 which will be available on the following set-top boxes: Samsung HD3050, Scientific-Atlanta 4250 HDC, and Scientific-Atlanta 8300 HDC. In Brooklyn and Queens: We will launch the previously announced Korean Christian Television on ch. 533. In Northern Manhattan/Brooklyn/Queens: We will launch Golf HD on 779, Crime and Investigation HD on 686, Africa Channel HD on 787, TV One HD on 790, G4HD on 692, MGM HD on 796, Chiller HD on 684, Sleuth HD on 685, Style HD on 689, Fuse HD on 691, Nick HD on 706, Lifetime HD on 712, CNBC HD on 715, USA HD on 716, SciFi HD on 717, Bravo HD on 718, E! HD on 724, QVC HD on 733, Spike HD on 736, HSN HD on 739.

Additionally, in Northern Manhattan we will launch Tennis HD on 465, Big Ten Network HD on 472, CBS College Sports on 467, HBO2 HD on 652, HBO Signature HD on 653, HBO Family HD on 654, HBO Comedy HD on 655, HBO Zone HD on 656, HBO Latino HD on 657, More Max HD on 659, Action Max HD on 660, Thriller Max HD on 661, WMAX HD on 662, @MAX HD on 663, FiveStar Max on 664, Outer Max HD on 665, Sho 2 HD on 667, Showcase HD on 668, Sho Extreme HD on 669, TMC HD on 674, TMC Xtra HD on 675, Starz Edge HD on 677, Starz Kids & Family HD on 678, Starz Comedy HD on 681, Encore HD on 682, NY1 HD on 701, Palladia HD on 720, Cartoon HD on 722, FX HD on 737, ABC Family HD on 738, History HD on 740, Fox Business News HD on 743, Fox News HD on 744, A&E HD on 746, Disney HD on 749, Learning Channel HD on 752, Toon Disney HD on 760, Lifetime Movie Network HD on 762, Biography HD on 763, Discovery HD on 766, Planet Green HD on 768, Weather Channel HD on 772, Speed HD on 774, Science Channel HD on 775, Travel Channel HD on 788, ESPN News HD on 792, ESPN U HD on 793; Game HD on 791 & 445 for MLB an NHL package customers and NHL Network on 795 for Sports Tier and NHL package customers

In Mount Vernon: Universal HD will move from ch. 734 to 718. We will also launch Ovation on 83, Crime & Investigation HD on 686, G4HD on 692, Golf HD on 779, Africa Channel HD on 787, TV One HD on 790, MGM HD on 796, Chiller HD on 684, Sleuth HD on 685, Style HD on 689, Fuse HD on 691, QVC HD on 724, CNBC HD on 733, Spike HD on 734, Nick HD on 739, E! HD on 741, USA HD on 742, Lifetime HD on 743, SciFi HD on 744, Bravo HD on 746, and HSN HD on 772.

Please note that the launch and availability of the services indicated in BOLD are entirely contingent upon contractual negotiations. Accordingly, it is possible that the specified service may not launch on this date.

The previously announced launch of FUSE HD in Brooklyn, Queens, and Mount Vernon has been postponed. The previously announced launch of Tennis Channel HD, in these same systems, occurred on 10/22.

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Riverside_Guy

12-09-08, 08:38 AM

we are going to have over 100 HD channels in Staten Island on 12/17

Yeah, but for the past 2 years SI has been getting a steady stream of new HD channels... you had way more than double what we in Manhattan have had for the past few years. I'm lucky enough to be in northern Manhattan and we go from 28 today to just about 100 on the 17th (or so, certain sections of the whole city may have to wait another week or two to get the full complement).

It looks like this is being accomplished not by SDV but by eliminating something like 40 or the 70+ analogs channels they still carried. Thus it also appears we aren't going to be "MDNed" just yet (new boxes are HDCs w/ODN for the past year or so).

Riverside_Guy

12-09-08, 08:42 AM

2) USAHD was only available for the Olympics because they were part of an Olympics package created by NBC-Universal that included their web content. It expired after the games, and a new deal had to be reached for the channels full time (which has finally happened recently).

Did you notice TWC opened up USAHD in our market for the US Open? Soon as it concluded, it went away. I managed to catch one episode of Burn Notice in HD!

Riverside_Guy

12-09-08, 08:45 AM

also, they are pulling Sleuth from the lineup on January 14th. Sounds like that network isn't going to make it (and wont be launching an HD simulcast).

Did you notice we will get BioHD? We never had ANY version of this channel!

Berk32

12-09-08, 09:37 AM

Did you notice we will get BioHD? We never had ANY version of this channel!

The SD version has been 'hidden' for like 2-3 months... They're adding it 'officially' next month.

Prey521

12-09-08, 12:55 PM

I just realized that I now have Discovery HD and CNNHD! Where have I been!! OMG! Damn elections had me all confuzzled!! DiscoveryHD FTMFW!!!!!!!!!!

xenophonite

12-09-08, 02:37 PM

Berk32

12-09-08, 02:40 PM

Update on SciFi HD in KC. I mentioned before that a great deal of 16:9 content was not shown in full HD. It would show 16:9 within a 4:3 box. Well now they fixed it and all content that is 16:9 is shown in full HD. KC must be piloting the SciFi channel. Everything looks good now so maybe they'll do a SciFi rollout soon.

Fortunately, 4:3 content is not stretched on SciFi (of what I've seen so far).

BTW, KC also got NHL Network today. Well over 70 HD channels in KC market now.

1) SciFi HD has existed for a long while (on DirecTV, Comcat)... so there is no 'piloting' going on...

2) 16:9 does not automaitcally mean HD. Sci Fi (like every cable network) has plenty of older content that was produced in 16:9 but is not available in HD, and will be shown 'windowboxed'.

xenophonite

12-09-08, 03:17 PM

1) I meant piloting SciFi on TWC.

2) I realize that but there was definitely a problem with true HD 16:9 not showing in full 16:9 on TWC SciFi. Most was showing 16:9 within a 4:3 box. It is now fixed. (Was talked about on last page).

Whether it's a 'pilot' or not, there were problems before that are now fixed, which is the purpose of doing a pilot so that may be the case.

kevin120

12-09-08, 09:58 PM

:)all says time warner cable channel reserved for future use:)
130-20
131-20
132-20
133-20
134-20
135-20
so this means that the hd adds are on schedule

:rolleyes:130-1 has HD PPV so I wonder what are going to go on 130-2 ,130-3:)

dennis1

12-10-08, 12:58 AM

Golf and Versus have been split on TW Desert Cities.

Plus, they've thrown in E! HD, for laughs.

hdtvfan2005

12-10-08, 02:46 AM

San Diego has the channels split but have an authorization screen. Both Channels require expanded basic. Desert Cities and San Diego have plans for E! HD. More HD should come soon. SciFi and USA HD will be added. They did Mention ABC Family HD, Speed HD, and FX HD. CNBC HD will probably be added but this is probably going to be next year.

Riverside_Guy

12-10-08, 07:50 AM

The SD version has been 'hidden' for like 2-3 months... They're adding it 'officially' next month.

There ARE those of us who have no access to QAM channels, ya know<g>!

Riverside_Guy

12-10-08, 07:54 AM

1) SciFi HD has existed for a long while (on DirecTV, Comcat)... so there is no 'piloting' going on...

2) 16:9 does not automaitcally mean HD. Sci Fi (like every cable network) has plenty of older content that was produced in 16:9 but is not available in HD, and will be shown 'windowboxed'.

Exactly what do you mean by "windowboxed?" The horrid, horrid, 100% UNnecessary practice of showing 16:9 content with black bars on all 4 sides? While one CAN use the zoom button without distorting anything, there is NO REASON AT ALL for this, it's just sloppy assed work from the channel.

xnappo

12-10-08, 10:12 AM

Exactly what do you mean by "windowboxed?" The horrid, horrid, 100% UNnecessary practice of showing 16:9 content with black bars on all 4 sides? While one CAN use the zoom button without distorting anything, there is NO REASON AT ALL for this, it's just sloppy assed work from the channel.

Agreed. The networks should zoom SD 16:9 content themselves. Their equipment could do a *much* better job of it than most TVs, and certainly better than the 8300! Even my wife notices how crappy the 8300 zoom is.

xnappo

clev12

12-10-08, 10:22 AM

Confirming that VS and GOLF have split in HD for TWC North Texas (DFW area).

scsiraid

12-10-08, 10:28 AM

Confirming that VS and GOLF have split in HD for TWC North Texas (DFW area).

They are split in Raleigh/Cary too... But... They ended up on opposite channels from where they said they would be. Also, for cablecards, the streams are backwards. Tuning VSHD on 283 gets you GolfHD. TiVo has the right guide data though...

GrouchoDude

12-10-08, 10:35 AM

Did you notice TWC opened up USAHD in our market for the US Open? Soon as it concluded, it went away. I managed to catch one episode of Burn Notice in HD!

I caught 3 of 'em during the Olympics!

Berk32

12-10-08, 10:50 AM

Agreed. The networks should zoom SD 16:9 content themselves. Their equipment could do a *much* better job of it than most TVs, and certainly better than the 8300! Even my wife notices how crappy the 8300 zoom is.

xnappo

NO!

You don't want them zooming in 16:9 SD content!

Then people will think its crappy HD.

holl_ands

12-10-08, 02:03 PM

When you Letterbox within a 640x480 SD frame, it becomes a tiny 640x360 "Postage Stamp",
well short of a low-rez widescreen (e.g. 720x480) upconverted to FILL a HD frame.

xnappo

12-10-08, 02:55 PM

NO!

You don't want them zooming in 16:9 SD content!

Then people will think its crappy HD.

So? It is SD either way. It would be better looking SD with their equipment scaling instead of mine.

xnappo

Berk32

12-10-08, 03:05 PM

So? It is SD either way. It would be better looking SD with their equipment scaling instead of mine.

xnappo

But the point is too many people will think its supposed to be HD. And complain that it looks like crap.

xnappo

12-10-08, 03:20 PM

But the point is too many people will think its supposed to be HD. And complain that it looks like crap.

Maybe, but why do we care if people complain about that? I am sure they get plenty of complaints about various black bars and horrible stretching schemes as it is. Oh well, it will cease to be an issue eventually.

xnappo

Berk32

12-10-08, 03:21 PM

Maybe, but why do we care if people complain about that? I am sure they get plenty of complaints about various black bars and horrible stretching schemes as it is. Oh well, it will cease to be an issue eventually.

xnappo

It's always going to be an issue...

There will always be 16:9 SD-only content.

dennis1

12-11-08, 12:50 AM

hdtvfan2005

12-11-08, 01:40 AM

San Diego has yet to get E! HD. They did mention it in a legal notice so it will be added soon I suppose.

LionelLines

12-11-08, 03:42 AM

Riverside_Guy

12-11-08, 08:40 AM

NO!

You don't want them zooming in 16:9 SD content!

Then people will think its crappy HD.

BUT it can look pretty much like DVD content... I don't find it to look all that bad.

Berk32

12-11-08, 09:17 AM

Speaking of TWC in SoCal: does anyone know if TWC will begin to carry the new MLB-TV Channel that debuts on January 1st?

TWC employees are a bit clueless about the channel (confusing it with the Extra Innings package)--even though TWC is an investor....

RT

Almost a guaranteed yes.

Any cable system that will continue to offer Extra Innings has to add the channel. (many TWC regions have already announced a 1/1/09 addition)

bkaupe

12-11-08, 12:11 PM

MLB Network will launch to the Digital Explorer Pak on 1/1/09 on channel 100.
That is not in the HD channel range.

Berk32

12-11-08, 12:13 PM

Almost a guaranteed yes.

Any cable system that will continue to offer Extra Innings has to add the channel. (many TWC regions have already announced a 1/1/09 addition)

I should probably add on... they're only obligated to add the SD channel...

Many are also adding the HD channel... but I'm sure not all regions will right away.

MosIncredible

12-11-08, 06:54 PM

Timothy31

12-11-08, 07:50 PM

I just got a few test channels in DeSoto, Tx.

This might sound like a dumb question but how do you see a test channel? I wanna see if i have any in Lewisville.

MosIncredible

12-11-08, 08:02 PM

This might sound like a dumb question but how do you see a test channel? I wanna see if i have any in Lewisville.

On my box, they're channels with no title and shows To Be Announced. When you select them, they display "Time Warner Cable" "Channel reserved for future use"

Berk32

12-11-08, 09:20 PM

This might sound like a dumb question but how do you see a test channel? I wanna see if i have any in Lewisville.

Every region is going to have some minor differences... things like this...

Timothy31

12-11-08, 09:40 PM

Ok i found them here in Lewisville too. They are on 738 758 759 768 775 and 783

obrienaj

12-11-08, 10:44 PM

MosIncredible

12-12-08, 02:02 AM

Ok i found them here in Lewisville too. They are on 738 758 759 768 775 and 783

Exact same channels on mine. Looking forward to next week

jnv11

12-12-08, 08:02 AM

I will be upgrading from regular digital cable to HDTV Cable via Time Warner Southern Tier (NY) at Christmas. From what I have seen of my neighbor's set-up, it looks like they use a Scientific Atlanta HDTV box not unlike the one I have for non HD cable. Can any tell me about the features of the HD box and what audio outputs it is likely to have ?

Andy.

The features that you would be concerned with would be the following:

Channel 3/4 RF output
Composite video output
S-Video output
Component video output (YPrPb format)
HDMI
IEEE-1394
160GB hard drive (which many including myself consider too small)
eSATA port used to attach an external hard drive that might or might not work depending on the software loaded in the box
Baseband RCA audio out
RCA S/PDIF audio out
TOSLINK audio out

clev12

12-12-08, 12:08 PM

Last night, I found 6 "reserved" channels in the HD lineup down here in Dallas.

obrienaj

12-13-08, 12:17 PM

The features that you would be concerned with would be the following:

Channel 3/4 RF output
Composite video output
S-Video output
Component video output (YPrPb format)
HDMI
IEEE-1394
160GB hard drive (which many including myself consider too small)
eSATA port used to attach an external hard drive that might or might not work depending on the software loaded in the box
Baseband RCA audio out
RCA S/PDIF audio out
TOSLINK audio out

Thanks for the help. I agree, 160GB seems too small.

Andy

hdtvfan2005

12-13-08, 03:08 PM

TWC San Diego has added BioHD and it's SDV. No guide data but that might not be until Sunday or even monday. I think they will have to deploy the Tuning resolver. VS and Golf HD are still coming soon.

Also: HMC HD is also up but it has been for a few days.

GrouchoDude

12-13-08, 03:40 PM

Thanks for the help. I agree, 160GB seems too small.

Andy

No biggie. Support (not advertised or officially supported by TWC) for eSATA means expansion drives are easy to add. I've got nearly a terabyte of storage with my SA8300 (160 GB internal; 750 GB external).

jnv11

12-13-08, 05:01 PM

No biggie. Support (not advertised or officially supported by TWC) for eSATA means expansion drives are easy to add. I've got nearly a terabyte of storage with my SA8300 (160 GB internal; 750 GB external).

There is a problem: you do not know whether or not the version of ODN and the middleware that your box will use is capable of handling until you try it. You could buy an eSATA drive only to find out that it is only good as another drive for your computer or your network attached storage because the software on the cable box cannot support it without crashing.

dennis1

12-14-08, 01:43 AM

hdtvfan2005

12-14-08, 04:06 AM

Thanks for the help. I agree, 160GB seems too small.

Andy

The new Samsung HD-DVR can be had with a 320 GB HDD. Also Buffalo uses SARA and not Navigator. Navigator is the TWC in house guide.

bob2274

12-14-08, 10:27 PM

Time Warner will do anything to keep MASN off of its North Carolina systems. http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6620521.html?q=masn
It looks like they are trying to buy time, hoping that the five commissioners don't rule before Kevin Martin resigns and the new administration takes over. If they don't make the ruling by then, it could be months before a decision is made since it will take so long to get a new commissioner in. Time Warner lost their appeal of the arbitrator's ruling so miserably, they have no chance of getting a ruling in their favor no matter who is in charge.

Time Warner says that programming on MASN is of very little interest to North Carolina customers, and not everyone should be forced to pay for it. (The Nationals & Orioles are about 250-400 miles away.) They want to carry the channel in a digital tier, even though every other regional sports network they carry is on basic cable. Here are a few lines from one of the papers filed with the FCC-

In Southwestern Wyoming, TWC carries FS Rocky Mountain on basic cable, while the Colorado Rockies and most of its programming are 330 miles away in Denver.
In Southwestern Kansas, TWC carries FS Kansas City/Midwest, while the Royals are 370 miles away.
In Southeastern Alabama, Time Warner has FS South and SportSouth, showing the Braves from 230 miles away.
In Northeastern Oklahoma, TWC carries FS Southwest / FS Houston (one channel), showing the Rangers from 250 miles and the Astros from 450 miles away.
TWC carries FS West and Prime Ticket In Hawaii, showing the Angels and Dodgers from 2500 miles away.

I can see their reasoning for wanting to carry the NFL Network on a sports tier, since they carry other league channels there. The bottom line though, is that these channels don't pose a threat to any other programming since they are independently owned, making it really easy for TWC (and other operators) to shut them out. You'll never see them shun a channel like FSN or a channel owned by a cable operator like they're doing here.

muzikool

12-15-08, 11:33 PM

Great news on such a large amount of HD channels being added to TWC North Dallas! I just noticed the "future use" channels tonight, myself.

In an unrelated question, I was wondering if someone could tell me what DVR box TWC North Dallas is offering now. I've had the Motorola DCT6416 III box for close to two years now and I'm thinking about exchanging it for whatever is new, just curious what that is. I looked at the Moto website and some of the new boxes look really nice.

Riverside_Guy

12-16-08, 10:36 AM

The new Samsung HD-DVR can be had with a 320 GB HDD. Also Buffalo uses SARA and not Navigator. Navigator is the TWC in house guide.

But the question remains if TWC will order such boxes in the first place. The good news is that there SHOULD be no issues of a larger drive in the box... but there's a LOT more to swapping an internal drive... specifically if they allow the full software suite to be installed from the head end.

It seems ( from other forums here) that Canadians can fairly easily swap out the internal drive and be up and running. I'm not so sure I've read much credible evidence that someone in a US based MSO has done such. Terabyte drives seems to be close to 100 bucks now-a-days, so MY preference would be to swap out the internal drive.

clev12

12-16-08, 02:54 PM

lSunNYl

12-16-08, 06:15 PM

any news on when the capital district (NY) will get new HD cannels? an what they will be?

hdtvfan2005

12-16-08, 07:02 PM

But the question remains if TWC will order such boxes in the first place. The good news is that there SHOULD be no issues of a larger drive in the box... but there's a LOT more to swapping an internal drive... specifically if they allow the full software suite to be installed from the head end.

It seems ( from other forums here) that Canadians can fairly easily swap out the internal drive and be up and running. I'm not so sure I've read much credible evidence that someone in a US based MSO has done such. Terabyte drives seems to be close to 100 bucks now-a-days, so MY preference would be to swap out the internal drive.

I told the president of my division to order the Samsung SMT-H3090 with the 320 GB HDD option.

DSperber

12-16-08, 07:44 PM

I told the president of my division to order the Samsung SMT-H3090 with the 320 GB HDD option.How can this new equipment be designed without a 1394/firewire port?

I thought it was an FCC requirement (for what, 4 years now?) that cable companies MUST supply a box with a functioning 1394 port if the subscriber requests it.

So why do DVR-makers not build them according to FCC spec? This prevents this piece of equipment from satisfying a subscriber's request, thus requiring the cable company to retain old equipment (e.g. from Motorola which does have a functioning 1394 port).

However if the cable system infrastructure requires the newer boxes, for some reason, then this seems to put them in a Catch 22?

Very strange to me. I must not be seeing something.

hdtvfan2005

12-16-08, 09:33 PM

How can this new equipment be designed without a 1394/firewire port?

I thought it was an FCC requirement (for what, 4 years now?) that cable companies MUST supply a box with a functioning 1394 port if the subscriber requests it.

So why do DVR-makers not build them according to FCC spec? This prevents this piece of equipment from satisfying a subscriber's request, thus requiring the cable company to retain old equipment (e.g. from Motorola which does have a functioning 1394 port).

However if the cable system infrastructure requires the newer boxes, for some reason, then this seems to put them in a Catch 22?

Very strange to me. I must not be seeing something.

The SMT-H3050 has a IEEE1394 port. The SMT-H3050 has an RF modulator something the SMT-H3090 lacks.

BenJF3

12-16-08, 09:42 PM

This is true but TW basically doesn't care or officially support the 1394 port, same as the eSATA port. It's there and you can use it (depending on software revision) but they will be of zero help to you if you have issues with it. TW basically hates tech savvy subs, they prefer the no brain sheep that think their DVR is the best on the market.

xenophonite

12-16-08, 10:34 PM

muzikool

12-16-08, 11:59 PM

Muzikool, I know that the DCH boxes (which IMO look more like high-end home theater compments than the DCT boxes which look like WINAMP skins) are available in the North Texas payment centers. I replaced both my DCTs with DCHs (one DCH 3416 and one DCH 6416) weeks ago.
Great, I appreciate the info. Those DCH boxes are definitely designed better than the DCTs. I look forward to upgrading.

DSperber

12-17-08, 12:27 AM

The SMT-H3050 has a IEEE1394 port.Interesting.

I wonder if it's just a web page documentation oversight on the 3090, not mentioning 1394. It's not actually mentioned in the "specs" for the 3050 either, which is what I was looking at for the 3090 and which prompted my comment.

Nevertheless, if truly missing from the 3090, I wonder why... when they had it on the 3050?

Oh well. Not relevant for TWC/Socal anyway. And fortunately, 1394 has been on every STB/DVR (all Motorola DCT/DCH models) I've had from Comcast/TWC since 2004. Me very DVHS-happy.

Note: JVC has apparently stopped making DVHS machines. Fortunately I still have my 40K and DT100U boxes in perfect working order, and lots of tape.

MosIncredible

12-17-08, 01:51 AM

Just received the beginning of the 12/17 update in DeSoto, Tx. (right outside of Dallas). Fox News HD, Lifetime Movie Network HD, Travel HD, Hallmark HD, Disney HD & Speed HD are up and running. Those same reserved channels from before are still there.

Timothy31

12-17-08, 02:24 AM

Same channels over here in Lewisville, patiently waiting for the others to come on.

holl_ands

12-17-08, 06:32 AM

Interesting.

I wonder if it's just a web page documentation oversight on the 3090, not mentioning 1394. It's not actually mentioned in the "specs" for the 3050 either, which is what I was looking at for the 3090 and which prompted my comment.

Nevertheless, if truly missing from the 3090, I wonder why... when they had it on the 3050?

Oh well. Not relevant for TWC/Socal anyway. And fortunately, 1394 has been on every STB/DVR (all Motorola DCT/DCH models) I've had from Comcast/TWC since 2004. Me very DVHS-happy.

Note: JVC has apparently stopped making DVHS machines. Fortunately I still have my 40K and DT100U boxes in perfect working order, and lots of tape.
Samsung SMT-H3090 Brochure did indeed list the
FEDERALLY MANDATED IEEE-1394 I/F:
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/05/09/smt_h3090twc/SMT-H3090_080205.pdf

IEEE-1394 is listed on SMT-H3050 webpage:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/telecommunication/productInfo.do?ctgry_group=14&ctgry_type=30&b2b_prd_id=115
AND on page 10 in the SMT-H3050 User Guide posted on TWC website:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/1/1/FAQ/documents/SMT-H3050_user_guide.pdf

Let's hope they don't intentionally (or unintentionally) "break" it.....

CaCHooKa Man

12-17-08, 08:00 AM

DSperber

12-17-08, 09:35 AM

Samsung SMT-H3090 Brochure did indeed list the
FEDERALLY MANDATED IEEE-1394 I/F:
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/2008/05/09/smt_h3090twc/SMT-H3090_080205.pdfAHA! Now this makes more sense.

Let's hope they don't intentionally (or unintentionally) "break" it..... Correct. There's also a 1394 port on the SA8300 boxes, but I don't think the functionality has ever been operational from any cable system that uses this equipment.

thanks for the info.

xenophonite

12-17-08, 10:22 AM

KC now has...

Showtime2 HD
Starz Kids HD

...in living color. They've also labeled HBO, CMAX with a 1, implying more are coming.

SciFi, USA, Bravo, TMC, MGM many sports and others recently added too. If they keep this pace up, they may pass up satellite next year. Now 70+ HD in KC when including PPV/OD.

MLB HD coming around Jan 1 also. (I don't think this is on Andy's list)
http://www.timewarnercable.com/kansascity/aboutus/legalnotice.html

Riverside_Guy

12-17-08, 11:00 AM

I told the president of my division to order the Samsung SMT-H3090 with the 320 GB HDD option.

Now if you could get him to talk to the president of my division (NYC area) to do the same, I will be an undying fan of yours!

However, my preference (big time) would be they allow a full download of ALL the software you need for a new internal drive... so we can pop 1T drives in there!

FWIW, we just went from 29 total HD channels to (say out loud a John Madden BOOM) 88.

Berk32

12-17-08, 11:27 AM

Now if you could get him to talk to the president of my division (NYC area) to do the same, I will be an undying fan of yours!

However, my preference (big time) would be they allow a full download of ALL the software you need for a new internal drive... so we can pop 1T drives in there!

FWIW, we just went from 29 total HD channels to (say out loud a John Madden BOOM) 88.

You didn't include the 2 HD OnDemand channels...

And it's 'supposed' to be 97 - a small bunch didn't get added right - I assume that'll be fixed soon... bringing our actual change from 31 to 97

EDIT: Oops - I'm wrong - 2 'missing' from the announcement are Fuse and Lifetime - so its supposed to be 95 total once they get their act together on the final bunch

clev12

12-17-08, 12:14 PM

Another user from TWC North Texas confirming Fox News, Lifetime Movie, Hallmark, Speed and Disney HD. Did not see Travel HD, but I did see that some of the reserved channels are still noted as such.

bernie33

12-17-08, 12:33 PM

Riverside_Guy

12-17-08, 12:42 PM

You didn't include the 2 HD OnDemand channels...

And it's 'supposed' to be 97 - a small bunch didn't get added right - I assume that'll be fixed soon... bringing our actual change from 31 to 97

EDIT: Oops - I'm wrong - 2 'missing' from the announcement are Fuse and Lifetime - so its supposed to be 95 total once they get their act together on the final bunch

Ah but that's because I don't get them at all, having a Passport box!

AND it actually was from 30... remember we "lost" MOJO before the transition!

Still, we DO need to wait a bit to see what shakes out... first order of business is to actually deliver the gray channels (the ones you describe as not being mapped correctly). I count 8 we were supposed to get but don't yet (i.e.no guide data and can't manually tune into). Then again, they say 5 channels that were delayed to 12/22 are "postponed" with no idea when they will be coming.

Complicating matters, as usual their official channel lineup is not updated at all and if it follows previous practices, probably will take 2-6 months to GET updated!

Discovered that I can't simply change my series recordings from the SD channel to it's HD equivalent, looks like I'll have to go to the HD channel and re-do the series recording, then delete the old one.

Berk32

12-17-08, 01:04 PM

Ah but that's because I don't get them at all, having a Passport box!

AND it actually was from 30... remember we "lost" MOJO before the transition!

Still, we DO need to wait a bit to see what shakes out... first order of business is to actually deliver the gray channels (the ones you describe as not being mapped correctly). I count 8 we were supposed to get but don't yet (i.e.no guide data and can't manually tune into). Then again, they say 5 channels that were delayed to 12/22 are "postponed" with no idea when they will be coming.

Complicating matters, as usual their official channel lineup is not updated at all and if it follows previous practices, probably will take 2-6 months to GET updated!

Discovered that I can't simply change my series recordings from the SD channel to it's HD equivalent, looks like I'll have to go to the HD channel and re-do the series recording, then delete the old one.

After further review..

The current HD count for TWC NYC (except Southern Manhattan) is 95 HD Channels!

This includes HD On Demand and HD Showcase.

TWC Northern Manhattan just jumped from 31 to 95 HD Channels!

(btw - the 31 count included the end of MOJO, but also included HD Showcase)

humdinger70

12-17-08, 01:14 PM

finally got some new HD channels a few minutes ago on TWC SoCal (eagle rock):

USA HD, Bravo HD, Sci-Fi Channel HD, CNBC HD+, Animal Planet HD, The Travel Channel HD, FX HD, The Science Channel HD, Fox News Channel HD, Fox Business Channel HD, NHL Network HD

too bad no ESPNU HD yet

Now of we could get Mr. Barlow, head of TWC San Diego, to turn on those same channels! (we already have Animal Planet HD and Science Channel HD).

xenophonite

12-17-08, 01:25 PM

After further review..
TWC Northern Manhattan just jumped from 31 to 95 HD Channels!

Wow. Any new channels that are not listed as 'known twc deals' in first post of this thread?

Did you get all of the premium movie channels, like HBO comedy, signature, zone, MAX thriller, etc?

Riverside_Guy

12-17-08, 01:48 PM

After further review..

The current HD count for TWC NYC (except Southern Manhattan) is 95 HD Channels!

This includes HD On Demand and HD Showcase.

TWC Northern Manhattan just jumped from 31 to 95 HD Channels!

(btw - the 31 count included the end of MOJO, but also included HD Showcase)

I think things are changing by the hour (2 hours ago I did a cold boot and fetched 6 days of listings, now I see only one day's worth). I spent a LONG while in my series recordings list, organizing things so I can get to stuff. I had a whole bunch of stuff on A&E, FX, USA, BBC etc. All SD stuff, so I moved them all to the top of the list... I'll have to wait to see a new ep pop up for each one until I can re-do it for the HD channel (yes I know BBC will stay SD for the time being). So far, Sanctuary is the only one I can change over (as in create a new series and delete the old one).

While doing this, I noticed some of the "gray" channels I listed are now working. AND we are going to be stuck with several "no channel listed" for the premiums that moved into the 600s. It usually takes over a month to get rid of those distractions.

Berk32

12-17-08, 01:55 PM

Wow. Any new channels that are not listed as 'known twc deals' in first post of this thread?

Did you get all of the premium movie channels, like HBO comedy, signature, zone, MAX thriller, etc?

everything that was added has been expected for over a month - they are already listed in the first post
(except Lifetime - that was announced - but did not show up)
(Africa Channel-HD , HSN-HD, Nickelodeon-HD, and Spike-HD had been announced last month as well - but they were officially postponed)

Marcus Carr

12-17-08, 06:23 PM

TV One-HD has launched on Time Warner Cable's NYC Region system...with additional launches expected in early January 2009, according to network officials.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6623650.html

Timothy31

12-17-08, 07:51 PM

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=413596

Looks like the rest of the DFW HD add is delayed. What a surprise

ErieMarty

12-17-08, 08:53 PM

I see a post on KC HD channel list and that of NYC area..with all their HD Options...and I am from NE OHIO Area...and all we get are 15 HD channels not counting Locals...

Unfricken real...

what will it take my local area to catch up...

BenJF3

12-17-08, 09:07 PM

tcreech

12-17-08, 09:38 PM

Aside from the crummy hd lineup, here's one that really frosts me.
I pay extra for the HD tier.
I pay extra for HBO, and for HBO OD.
HBO East is available in HD.
Why is there no HD content available from HBO OD ?

Just venting....

AndyHDTV

12-17-08, 10:05 PM

Known Deals Done With TWC, Not Available in All Areas

HD PPV
HD Movies OnDemand
HD Adult OnDemand
HD Showcase OnDemand
HBO-HD
HBO2-HD
HBO Family-HD
HBO Comedy-HD
HBO Signature-HD
HBO Zone-HD
HBO Latino-HD
Cinemax-HD
MoreMax-HD
ActionMAX-HD
5StarMAX-HD
ThrillerMAX-HD
WMAX-HD
@MAX-HD
OuterMAX-HD
Showtime-HD
Showtime 2-HD
ShowCase-HD
ShowExtreme-HD
The Movie Channel-HD
TMCxtra-HD
Starz-HD
Starz Comedy-HD
Starz Edge-HD
Starz Kids & Family-HD
Encore-HD
MGM-HD
HDNet
HDNet Movies
Universal-HD
TNT-HD
TBS-HD
Palladia-HD
Food Network-HD
HGTV-HD
A&E-HD
History Channel-HD
Biography-HD
Lifetime Movie Network-HD
Hallmark Movie Channel-HD
CNN-HD
Fox News-HD
Fox Business Network-HD
The Weather Channel-HD
National Geographic-HD
Discovery HD Theater
The Science Channel-HD
The Discovery Channel-HD
The Learning Channel-HD
Animal Planet-HD
Planet Green-HD
Travel Channel-HD
Disney Channel-HD
ABC Family-HD
Toon Disney-HD
Cartoon Network-HD
QVC-HD
Sci-Fi-HD
Bravo-HD
USA-HD
CNBC-HD
FUSE-HD
E! Entertainment-HD
Style-HD
G4-HD
Crime & Investigation-HD
TV One-HD
FX-HD
Speed-HD
ESPN-HD
ESPN 2-HD
ESPN News-HD
ESPN U-HD
Versus-HD
Golf-HD
Big Ten Network-HD
NBA TV-HD
NHL Network-HD
The Outdoor Channel-HD
CBS College Sports-HD
The Tennis Channel-HD
Game-HD (MLB Extra Innings & NHL Center Ice in HD)
Team-HD (NBA League Pass in HD)
Lifetime Television-HD --- (Coming soon to NYC, NY)
Africa Channel-HD --- (Coming soon to NYC, NY)
HSN-HD --- (Coming soon to NYC, NY)
Nickelodeon-HD --- (Coming soon to NYC, NY)
Spike-HD --- (Coming soon to NYC, NY)
MLB Network-HD --- (Channel Launching on January 1st 2009 in NYC , NY)
Chiller-HD --- (Channel Launch 2009)
Sleuth-HD --- (Channel Launch 2009)

Negotiations Known In Progress With TWC

NFL Network-HD
MavTV-HD
IFC-HD
AMC-HD
WE-HD
MSNBC-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q2 of 2009)

Negotiations Unknown With TWC

TBN-HD
RFD-HD
World Fishing Network-HD
Wealth TV-HD
WGN-HD
Smithsonian-HD
Fuel-HD
Jewlery TV-HD
County Music Channel-HD
MTV-HD
VH1-HD
ION TV-HD --- (Channel Launching in January 2009)
Comedy Central-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q1 2009)
ShowBeyond-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q1 2009)
ShowWomen-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q1 2009)
ShowFamilyZone-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q1 2009)
ShowNext-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q1 2009)
FLIX-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q1 2009)
OWN-HD (Discovery Health) --- (Channel Launching in 2009)
BTNC-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2009)
Qubo-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2009)
ION Life-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2009)
Fox Soccer Channel-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2009 or 2010)
Fox Reality Channel-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2009 or 2010)
Fox College Sports-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2009 or 2010)
Fox Movie Channel-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2009 or 2010)
Fox Sports En Espanol-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2009 or 2010)
BBC America-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
SI TV-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Cars.TV-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Pets.TV-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Comedy.TV-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
MyDestination.TV-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
ES.TV-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Recipe.TV-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
BET-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)
MTV2-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)
TruTV-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)
Headline News-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)
Oxygen-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)

Quaker2001

12-17-08, 10:35 PM

It will take a switch to DirecTV! TWCNY advertised new HD for us a month ago. Fx, Fox News, Speed and Fox Business - to this date we got nothing. I'm very close to switching and TW has until spring to do something to keep me.

What's the story with this whole Northern Manhattan/Southern Manhattan split? Why does the Northern half get a deluge of HD channels and Southern gets nothing? I know this is all probably related to the analog shut-off and a lot of additional bandwidth coming our way, but what gives!!

Berk32

12-17-08, 11:26 PM

What's the story with this whole Northern Manhattan/Southern Manhattan split? Why does the Northern half get a deluge of HD channels and Southern gets nothing? I know this is all probably related to the analog shut-off and a lot of additional bandwidth coming our way, but what gives!!

basically - logistics required them to do the 2 halves in separate stages (as they have done each boro separately over the last year+)

lytnngseed

12-17-08, 11:54 PM

emailists

12-18-08, 01:49 AM

I just saw the new HD channels pop up here 2 nights ago right in the middle of a film on HBO2.

I must say that in my brief viewings so far, the compression artifacts on any kind of movement are just unacceptable. Does anyone know if bandwidth has been increased, or if things like the main HBO channel gets more data?

Now to be fair I recently moved and am now watching on a 130" diagonal screen,
so I may be seeing more artifacts than other people, but I'm hoping for Fios one day.

Another thing I'm steamed at - I think it's called HD extra, or whatever INHD + HDnet used to be called. It started as 4 channels, then went to 3 and with the demise of Mojo (also a bummer since I used to edit a series for them), is now only 2 channels for the same $6 or $8. I intend to contact TW and state they must adjust their pricing or include HDnet into some other package.

Berk32

12-18-08, 01:56 AM

emailists

12-18-08, 02:32 AM

In NYC, HDXtra includes the the Sports Package in the 450s and 460s (some in HD) and it seems it also includes the newly added MGM HD (and they may have also shifted Hallmark Movies HD)

Thanks for the info- I didn't think I was able to receive MGM HD - I'll try now. Anyone else know how TW has allocated bandwidth to get so many new HD channels?

One thing - I misquoted my screen size - I meant to say it is somewhere between 160" and 170"!!!!

Berk32

12-18-08, 02:52 AM

Gary J

12-18-08, 07:48 AM

Dropped analog service.

Not for long.

GrouchoDude

12-18-08, 08:49 AM

With Columbus, OH, having multiple cable providers, it was no surprise TWC gave them the NBC family of networks in HD. Cincinnati only has TWC and the satellites, so we may be waiting awhile. Glad to here USA and SciFi HD are rolling out across the US. Gives me hope.

I don't know if "rolling out" is the right phrase... more like oozing out at a snail's pace. Still no indication as to when we'll see them here in Charlotte; and less than a month now until BSG comes back, 'Burn Notice' on USA, 'Damages' on FX, etc. We'll be extremely lucky if we see any of 'em in HD. :(

AlbanyHDTV

12-18-08, 09:52 AM

From the Albany TWC Programming Notices (http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/5/Content%20Management/Programming/documents/notice_nys_122208.pdf).
Finally, we are currently involved in discussions regarding the services and/or stations listed below. While we cannot guarantee that we will reach agreement with the relevant programmers and/or broadcasters, we are listing these services/stations here in the event that we are able to start carrying them in the future:

Bravo HD
CBS CollegeSports HD
Fox News HD
Fuse HD
MSG Plus HD
MSNBC HD
NBA TV HD
USA HD
Encore HD
MLB Network

Berk32

12-18-08, 09:56 AM

Not for long.

what do you mean?

Gary J

12-18-08, 10:04 AM

Cable companies to delay digital switch

Move is to avoid confusion during February switch to digital broadcast
The Associated Press
updated 6:47 p.m. ET, Wed., Dec. 17, 2008

PHILADELPHIA - Cable TV operators say they'll voluntarily stop moving analog channels to more expensive digital tiers of service between Dec. 31 and March 1, to avoid confusing customers as the nation switches to digital broadcast transmissions in February.

In letters to Congress this week, the National Cable & Telecommunications Association said cable TV companies don't want to add a "layer of complexity" as U.S. broadcasters begin to transmit all-digital signals after Feb. 17.

Cable companies are facing regulatory scrutiny over their practice of switching analog channels to digital — leaving analog consumers with fewer channels to watch unless they use adapters, rent a digital set-top box or upgrade to digital. Cable operators say they are trying to accommodate customers by offering promotions such as free adapters.

Cable TV operators' decision to move analog channels to digital frees them to use their network bandwidth for more high-definition content and other services. It is not related to the national switch to digital broadcasting. Regulators are investigating whether providers are misleading customers into thinking the two events are linked, which could prompt more people to opt for digital video services.

Once cable operators resume moving analog channels to digital, from March 2 to June 30, the companies will give analog households at least one piece of equipment free for one year to let them continue watching in analog. Certain fees also will be waived temporarily. The industry promised to notify customers and franchising officials at least 30 days in advance of the switch.

Consumers Union, which had criticized cable's channel-switching tactics, hailed the move as a "welcome first step to help consumers navigate a costly maze of confusion surrounding the (digital TV) transition."

But the group also said that while the voluntary quiet period provides short-term relief to consumers, it doesn't resolve problems with "high prices and discriminatory practices."

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Berk32

12-18-08, 10:22 AM

GregoryH

12-18-08, 01:55 PM

clev12

12-18-08, 02:25 PM

Argh! Some of the HD channels that TWC North TExas was supposed to get didn't come through!

kevin120

12-18-08, 05:18 PM

Argh! Some of the HD channels that TWC North TExas was supposed to get didn't come through!

rest should ber available by next week.

clev12

12-18-08, 05:21 PM

But it's like they picked the worst ones to go ahead with, like LIFETIME MOVIES and friggin' HALLMARK HD!

MosIncredible

12-18-08, 06:23 PM

But it's like they picked the worst ones to go ahead with, like LIFETIME MOVIES and friggin' HALLMARK HD!

Yeah lol. Oh well, I didn't have CNNHD, TBSHD, HISHD, FOODHD, HGTVHD, A&EHD, DSCHD, APHD, NGCHD, FSNHD in DeSoto yet which were given to Dallas a while back. While I am slightly excited just to see these, the others would be great.

Timothy31

12-18-08, 08:15 PM

Yeah they picked ones no one cares about unless your a woman you don't watch LMN. Disney is for kids, foxnews err fixed news i can do without. I'm not a traveler or into car racing so travel and speed do nothing for me either.

BenJF3

12-18-08, 08:33 PM

Well, we do have some I care about. However, channels like ABC Family are worthless for HD. I have yet to see ANY HD content on them. I saw a movie in the guide once that we wanted to watch so I tuned in and SD 4:3 pillarboxed!?!?! What a waste.

Now, we should have Fox News HD soon and FxHD which are channels I want. Hell, I was starting to watch CNN because it was in HD! I'm really waiting on some of the NBC Universal channels - Sci-Fi and USA.

bob2274

12-18-08, 09:49 PM

ABC Family HD is just one of the channels that Disney has forced on cable companies by packaging it with the ESPN channels.

MosIncredible

12-19-08, 12:46 AM

My fellow North Texans, the extra channels are here. TWCHD, TLCHD, SCIHD, FXHD, ToonDisneyHD and ESPNewsHD are up and running here in DeSoto along with the others done Wednesday morning.

Prey521

12-19-08, 01:11 AM

The worst part of all these new HD channels is reprogramming your DVR! :-D

Timothy31

12-19-08, 01:28 AM

Timothy31

12-19-08, 01:29 AM

My fellow North Texans, the extra channels are here. TWCHD, TLCHD, SCIHD, FXHD, ToonDisneyHD and ESPNewsHD are up and running here in DeSoto along with the others done Wednesday morning.

Well not quite there are still 5 missing. I just compiled this little list.

I can now confirm here in Lewisville these channels are now live.

738 - Weather Channel
741 - Fox News
751 - Lifetime
758 - Learning Channel
759 - Travel
760 - Planet Green (Do not have it)
761 - Science
764 - Bio (Do not have it)
768 - FX
774 - Hallmark
775 - Disney
778 - ABC Family (do not have it)
783 - ESPNNews
784 - ESPNU (do not have it)
788 - Speed
790 - CBS College (do not have it)

BenJF3

12-19-08, 07:07 AM

We do have fox news channel HD. It was one of the ones added wednesday, or was that fox news business?

Well we are slated to get both Fox News and Fox Business HD. Tim, where are you located? You may want to add it to your profile since it's relevant with TWC's HD line ups varying so much from division to division.

Riverside_Guy

12-19-08, 10:45 AM

In NYC, HDXtra includes the the Sports Package in the 450s and 460s (some in HD) and it seems it also includes the newly added MGM HD (and they may have also shifted Hallmark Movies HD)

Have you ever seen anything in writing as to what HDXtra actually delivers? Several times, I've tried pouring through their website, but haven't seen anything.

As I already have DVR service, it's 5 bucks more. Honestly, I think the 2 HDNet channels it has are worth it as I do watch a lot of stuff on those channels.

Riverside_Guy

12-19-08, 10:53 AM

Thanks for the info- I didn't think I was able to receive MGM HD - I'll try now. Anyone else know how TW has allocated bandwidth to get so many new HD channels?

One thing - I misquoted my screen size - I meant to say it is somewhere between 160" and 170"!!!!

Here in NYC, instead of forcing Craptigator on everyone and using lots of SDV, they have eliminated something like 40 analog channels. We just went from 30 to 94. Far as I read, there are still another 30 or so analogs... but there's only a small group of HD channels we are NOT getting... AND the are 5 promised ones that didn't make this week and are officially "postponed" with no commitment to any specific date.

Of course, what I want is for them to kill the remaining 30 odd analog channels then give all the HD channels a bit more bandwidth, like noting less than 12mb/s (something like that, I can't really state exact figures, but I think we have a lot of HD running in the 6-8 range).

Riverside_Guy

12-19-08, 10:59 AM

O - that....

That doesn't apply here - they already dumped 40+ analog channels (leaving about 30 for all the local channels) - and won't have any need to drop any more for a long time.

Bite your tongue my friend! How about dropping those 30 and increasing the allocated bandwidth to each HD channel?

On second thought, I guess that have to carry some forever... the unscrambled channels (locals), which is what, 7 channels?

In any case, there are still 4 HDs I want... some of which exist now, some of where aren't launched just yet (IFC, Sundance, TCM, BBC).

Riverside_Guy

12-19-08, 11:13 AM

I hope so too and according to twcinci USAHD and SCIFIHD may be added by years end (I doubt it though).

I had great hope for SciFiHD, but I have seen 2 shows that certainly DO have HD versions (Stargate and Enterprise) that they are NOT using, we get SD with black bars all 4 sides. At least they aren't as bad as stretch-o-vision (TNT, TBS) which takes the 4:3 SD and horizontally stretches and distorts it.

Berk32

12-19-08, 11:52 AM

Have you ever seen anything in writing as to what HDXtra actually delivers? Several times, I've tried pouring through their website, but haven't seen anything.

As I already have DVR service, it's 5 bucks more. Honestly, I think the 2 HDNet channels it has are worth it as I do watch a lot of stuff on those channels.

One time they made an announcement on the website (and on the bill) that they would add the Sportspacka to HDXtra... it was a long time ago...

Berk32

12-19-08, 11:53 AM

Bite your tongue my friend! How about dropping those 30 and increasing the allocated bandwidth to each HD channel?

On second thought, I guess that have to carry some forever... the unscrambled channels (locals), which is what, 7 channels?

In any case, there are still 4 HDs I want... some of which exist now, some of where aren't launched just yet (IFC, Sundance, TCM, BBC).

there's actually like 20+ locals (not only wcbs, wnbc, wabc, etc - but a small bunch of independent OTA channels, AND the local cable public access)

(and dont worry - they are still about 15 analog channels that they removed that are not being used yet)

Berk32

12-19-08, 11:56 AM

I had great hope for SciFiHD, but I have seen 2 shows that certainly DO have HD versions (Stargate and Enterprise) that they are NOT using, we get SD with black bars all 4 sides. At least they aren't as bad as stretch-o-vision (TNT, TBS) which takes the 4:3 SD and horizontally stretches and distorts it.

the early seasons of SG1 were never shown in HD (don't forget - the show started in 1997, and aired on Showtime for its first 5 seasons, but always in 16:9)

Riverside_Guy

12-19-08, 03:34 PM

the early seasons of SG1 were never shown in HD (don't forget - the show started in 1997, and aired on Showtime for its first 5 seasons, but always in 16:9)

Ah, but it sure looks like it was done on film... if so they COULD give us an HD version. I know all of Enterprise was run in HD on UNIHD (did ya notice that it went from UNHD to UNIHD?). Haven't caught any Atlantis' (on sciFi) yet, but that's another one I have seen in HD, so the transfer exists. Only 2 eps left, but we SHOULD see them in HD.

Did you also notice that NY1 has HD 4:3 studio and some field cameras doing HD, some 16:9, some 4:3. What a patchwork!

Berk32

12-19-08, 04:19 PM

Ah, but it sure looks like it was done on film... if so they COULD give us an HD version. I know all of Enterprise was run in HD on UNIHD (did ya notice that it went from UNHD to UNIHD?). Haven't caught any Atlantis' (on sciFi) yet, but that's another one I have seen in HD, so the transfer exists. Only 2 eps left, but we SHOULD see them in HD.

Did you also notice that NY1 has HD 4:3 studio and some field cameras doing HD, some 16:9, some 4:3. What a patchwork!

The studios (MGM) would have to create an HD version - thats not up to SciFi....

hdtvfan2005

12-19-08, 05:33 PM

TWC San Diego added a few new HD channels. ABC Family HD (735), FX HD (752), and Speed HD (793). ABC and FX are on their HD equivalent channels while Speed is on another HD channel since their is a duplicate HD premium movie channel. I'm sure thats another channel map for that QAM. Bio HD, VS HD, and Golf HD aren't up yet. No idea why.

Vashanime04

12-20-08, 12:55 AM

My fellow North Texans, the extra channels are here. TWCHD, TLCHD, SCIHD, FXHD, ToonDisneyHD and ESPNewsHD are up and running here in DeSoto along with the others done Wednesday morning.

Dang i hope they show some of that love to south Texas soon. The last thing they added that was MGMHD but it was a replacement for MojoHD. We haven't seen a true addition since January.(Added NATHD):mad:

dennis1

12-20-08, 01:46 AM

TW Desert Cities added another two channels to their HD roster today: USA HD and CNBC HD. Finally, they've added a couple of channels I might even tune in to.

xenophonite

12-20-08, 09:00 AM

KC now has...

Showtime2 HD
Starz Kids HD

...in living color. They've also labeled HBO, CMAX with a 1, implying more are coming.

SciFi, USA, Bravo, TMC and others recently added too. If they keep this pace up, they may pass up satellite next year. Now 70+ HD in KC when including PPV/OD.

TWC KC just added yesterday...
HBO2 HD
HBOSignature HD
More Max HD

I think there are 78 total HD with TWC KC, more expected in next few weeks.

Jayhawk

12-20-08, 09:20 AM

TWC KC just added yesterday...
HBO2 HD
HBOSignature HD
More Max HD

I think there are 78 total HD with TWC KC, more expected in next few weeks.

What's left for us to get in KC? I haven't seen an updated list of expected additions, but I can't think of anything else that we've been promised

xenophonite

12-20-08, 09:45 AM

^G4, Style, Africa Channel, Nick, Spike, MLB among others. See 'known deals' in first post of this thread. Many more of those likely coming. KC and NYC have been consistently getting new HD channels before other TWC markets.

langsbr

12-20-08, 07:55 PM

Berk32

12-20-08, 09:05 PM

I've searched this thread from the beginning, but couldn't find the info I'm looking for. I just got a TivoHD with an M card and am not getting some HD channels. Can anyone give me a list of the channels that are SDV in Columbia, SC?

You may find some answers in your local thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=99727

emailists

12-22-08, 03:34 AM

Anyone else seem to not be getting audio on some of the new HBO HD channels - 655 and 656 in Manhattan for me have no audio, but the standard def feeds of the same channels do have audio. The other HBO's are fine.

But then again, after my move to a new apartment, TW can't even initalize my boxes- and have had to bring me new ones. Funny thing is that when I arrived the cable was live, and I just plugged my boxes and modem in and they just worked. Once they paid me a service call, nothing worked correctly.

UPDATE: Well I guess I am a complete idiot, because I called TW asking if they had complaints about no sound on these HBO channels, and the customer rep sent a signal to refresh my box and now I simply have no cable at all - "this cable box is not authorized for service"

I guess that will be a lesson to never call TW late night or on a weekend. It's obvious that their database is so screwed up they cant simply move a customer 2 miles away and keep track of anything.

Gary J

12-22-08, 08:11 AM

From the WSJ -

"Last week, 40 stations in Ohio shut off their analog signals for five minutes to show viewers what their analog TVs would look like without converter boxes: a blank screen. Viewers flooded a broadcasters' hot line with calls to ask how to get the government coupons and how to operate converter boxes, among other questions, said Christine Merritt, executive vice president of the Ohio Association of Broadcasters. She added that the hot line got so many calls -- about 7,500 -- that the phone system overloaded and crashed."

kevin120

12-22-08, 09:39 AM

Berk32

12-22-08, 10:49 AM

Southern Manhattan rejoice...
On 2/4/09:

In S. Manhattan we will launch the following services: TEAM HD on 411 to NBA League Pass customers, Crime and Investigation HD on 686, TV One HD on 790, G4HD on 692, MGM HD on 796, Style HD on 689, CNBC HD on 715, USA HD on 716, SciFi HD on 717, Bravo HD on 718, E! HD on 724, QVC HD on 733, Spike HD on 736, HSN HD on 739, Tennis Channel HD on 465, Big Ten Network HD on 472, CBS College Sports HD on 467, HBO2 HD on 652, HBO Signature HD on 653, HBO Family HD on 654, HBO Comedy HD on 655, HBO Zone HD on 656, HBO Latino HD on 657, More Max HD on 659, Action Max HD on 660, Thriller Max HD on 661, WMAX HD on 662, @MAX HD on 663, FiveStar Max HD on 664, Outer Max HD on 665, Sho 2 HD on 667, Showcase HD on 668, Sho Extreme HD on 669, TMC HD on 674, TMC Xtra HD on 675, Starz Edge HD on 677, Starz Kids & Family HD on 678, Starz Comedy HD on 681, Encore HD on 682, NY1 HD on 701, Palladia HD on 720, Cartoon HD on 722, FX HD on 737, ABC Family HD on 738, History HD on 740, Fox Business News HD on 743, Fox News HD on 744, A&E HD on 746, Disney HD on 749, Learning Channel HD on 752, Toon Disney HD on 760, Lifetime Movie Network HD on 762, Biography HD on 763, Discovery HD on 766, Planet Green HD on 768, Weather Channel HD on 772, Speed HD on 774, Science Channel HD on 775, Travel Channel HD on 788, ESPN News HD on 792, ESPN U HD on 793; Game HD on 791 & 445 for MLB and NHL package customers and NHL Network on 795 for Sports Tier and NHL package customers.

santie321

12-22-08, 11:33 AM

along with these new HD channels i notice a few of them have that "Start Over" feature enabled. i never requested that feature to be added. what gives?

reidtheweed01

12-22-08, 12:08 PM

along with these new HD channels i notice a few of them have that "Start Over" feature enabled. i never requested that feature to be added. what gives?

its free for everyone

daniels1994

12-22-08, 03:50 PM

DFletcher

12-22-08, 04:31 PM

I got a flyer in the mail (NYC) for Time Warner In Demand, that says In Demand HD is on Channel 700.

It isn't. What am I missing here?

Berk32

12-22-08, 04:45 PM

I got a flyer in the mail (NYC) for Time Warner In Demand, that says In Demand HD is on Channel 700.

It isn't. What am I missing here?

you need one of the following HD boxes:

Samsung HD 3050, Scientific-Atlanta 4250HDC, Scientific-Atlanta 8300HDC.

(in the future - you may want to direct TWC-NYC only questions here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=297592))

DFletcher

12-22-08, 05:00 PM

I've got the SA8300.

I don't think it's available in NYC, at least not yet.

Berk32

12-22-08, 05:04 PM

I've got the SA8300.

I don't think it's available in NYC, at least not yet.

do you have the SA8300HD or the SA 8300HDC

(100% available in all of TWC-NYC if you have the correct box)

MosIncredible

12-22-08, 11:03 PM

twc dallas still has some of our new hd channels held hostage

bio hd
abc family hd
cbs college hd
espnu hd
planet green hd

they are on the system so why not do your job and launch them!:mad::mad::mad:

at 3:1 muxes
130
131
132
133
134
135

update: they may launch tonite according to my insider at twc who is a tech.

Your insider was correct. I have just received those channels except CBS College is not available since it's in the Digital Sports tier.

Timothy31

12-22-08, 11:56 PM

Your insider was correct. I have just received those channels except CBS College is not available since it's in the Digital Sports tier.

Yep i can confirm them here in Lewisville also.

Riverside_Guy

12-23-08, 10:16 AM

its free for everyone

Not quite, it means giving up a 8300HD running Passport for a 8300HDC running ODN (in the NYC market). A LOT of folks don't want to go with ODN given the things that don't work on it that do work in Passport. So far, we DO have a choice because they haven't gone and forced MDN on the 8300HD boxes (like they have in other areas).

obrienaj

12-23-08, 06:44 PM

I just picked up a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD from TW as part of my preparation for the HDTV that will be opened on Christmas Day. I see on Scientific Atlanta's web site there is a multi room 8300HD, does anyone know if Time Warner has these as an option ?

Andy
(TW Southern Tier NY)

hdtvfan2005

12-23-08, 07:19 PM

TWC did test the Multi room feature in NY but it had problems. It also needed good cable wiring. The new Samsung SMT-H3090 HD-DVR does support MoCA, DLNA, Ethernet, and uPnP support. The Samsung box can also share contents to non cable box components so it can be used as a media server. The new Cisco 8552, 8642, and 8652 all support this new technology.

BenJF3

12-23-08, 07:47 PM

As HDTVfan stated, TWC tested Multi-Room DVR in my market and scrapped it due to problems. Plus, I think they knew at the time they were going to be deploying their own in house guide and they've had massive problems with that so far. Adding MRV to it as well would probably have added to the disaster that is Navigator.

I'm awaiting the MRV from DirecTV in anticipation of switching this spring. I'm giving TWC until the weather breaks to make some moves. Either get us a good version of Navigator or more importantly add some HD content.

Doctor

12-24-08, 01:00 AM

posg

12-24-08, 10:34 AM

I may have to switch to the Variety Tier now. HD Tier gives me HDNet, HDNet Movies, Universal HD. Variety gives me a ton of SD channels plus Animal Planet HD, Travel HD, Fox Business News HD, ESPNews HD and Science HD. Still would hate to give up the HDNet channels.

Breaking News !!!! TWC subscribers no longer forced to choose between Digital Variety or HD Tier !!! Now they can actually subscribe to both !!! They may have to cut an extra neighbor's lawn or two to supplement their allowance. That there Variety tier costs, what, $2.95/month ???:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

humdinger70

12-24-08, 02:56 PM

BenJF3

12-24-08, 03:17 PM

:D:D:D:D:D

TWC San Diego just added channels as of today, 12/24 -

734 - USA HD
735 - ABC Family HD
740 - Bravo HD
749 - CNBC HD
752 - FX HD
757 - SciFi HD
781 - Hallmark Movie HD

FYI, this is regular San Diego TWC area, this may or may not apply to ex-Adelphia north County area.

Nice. Here in Central New York, it's been a month since they announced the new HD and we have nothing!

Doctor

12-24-08, 04:50 PM

Each tier is $5 a month and my cable bill is pretty expensive as it is.

Berk32

12-24-08, 05:41 PM

Each tier is $5 a month and my cable bill is pretty expensive as it is.

these tiers will differ from region to region - this thread is probably not a very useful place to discuss their value in your area (other than to compare to others... if that means something to you).

dennis1

12-25-08, 01:19 AM

:D:D:D:D:D

TWC San Diego just added channels as of today, 12/24 -

734 - USA HD
735 - ABC Family HD
740 - Bravo HD
749 - CNBC HD
752 - FX HD
757 - SciFi HD
781 - Hallmark Movie HD

FYI, this is regular San Diego TWC area, this may or may not apply to ex-Adelphia north County area.Out here in TW Desert Cities, we already had USA, CNBC and Hallmark. We just got ABC Family. Still waiting for the other ones.

kevin120

12-25-08, 05:06 AM

twc dallas now has 50 hd channels :D:D:D

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/122508dnbustimewarner.83ff49c.html

Tom Wellman

12-25-08, 11:29 AM

In TWC San Diego (North County-ex Adelphia) just added
USA HD-ch. 734

And has a placeholder with guide info for SciFi HD on ch. 757, but there is no programming on it. However it has been 3 weeks since Golf Channel HD and Versus has split with the placeholder channels in place and still nothing.

dack70

12-25-08, 06:57 PM

Nice. Here in Central New York, it's been a month since they announced the new HD and we have nothing!

Hey BenJF3,

I'm getting really frustrated with TWCNY also. Where did you see the announcement for these new HD channels? I don't see them on their pittiful website. A couple of my favorite shows are starting up in mid January (BSG-SciFi-HD, Burn Notice-USA-HD), and I will be VERY upset if these channels aren't added by then. What could they possibly be waiting for? The negotiations are done, and SDV is installed and working here. I've tried calling, but no one seems to know anything. Watching other areas get these channels is infuriating!! Does anyone have a good explanation on what could possibly be the hold up? Negotiations and bandwidth are no longer an obstacle.

humdinger70

12-26-08, 12:02 PM

Anybody have the split Versus HD and Golf HD up and running? TWC San Diego split the channels, but they still have the 'Coming Soon' screen up! :mad:

And what's worse, the program guide for the channels are populated! :mad: :mad:

This situation has been going on for several weeks now! :mad::mad::mad:

What the heck are they waiting for???

Gary J

12-26-08, 12:07 PM

Is there still a national TWC thread anywhere? This thread has become useless for that with nothing but local info and questions.

DSperber

12-26-08, 12:15 PM

Anybody have the split Versus HD and Golf HD up and running? TWC San Diego split the channels, but they still have the 'Coming Soon' screen up! :mad:

And what's worse, the program guide for the channels are populated! :mad: :mad:Here in Marina Del Rey (former Comcast), both GOLFD (423) and VSHD (469) are operational, as part of "basic cable" package available to all subscribers.

jnv11

12-26-08, 07:29 PM

dennis1

12-27-08, 12:43 AM

Run4two

12-28-08, 10:56 AM

Your friends at TW Desert Cities have had the split for about two and a half weeks.

We too have had the split for 2.5 weeks - TW Hemet (serving lots of southwest Riverside county.)

humdinger70

12-29-08, 12:23 PM

Your friends at TW Desert Cities have had the split for about two and a half weeks.

That's the crappy thing - Desert Cities is run by the San Diego division (where I am), not the SoCal division that runs the rest of LA.

Methinks an e-mail to Mr. Barlow is in order....

Tom Wellman

12-29-08, 07:28 PM

Sci Fi HD on Ch. 757 is activated as of 12/28/08TWC San Diego (North County-ex Adelphia). Still waiting for Golf Channel HD and Versus HD to be activated.

DSperber

12-29-08, 07:45 PM

I happened to be channel surfing on my SD TV late last night and stumbled past Bravo, where a few episodes of "West Wing" were playing. I noticed that it was presented letterboxed on SD.

Curious about how it would be shown on the NEWLY AVAILABLE BRAVO-HD CHANNEL WE JUST GOT, I turned on my HDTV to check.

Alas... the geniuses at NBC Universal have decided to broadcast it letterboxed as well on Bravo-HD, inside of the 4:3 area. So the expected black pillar bars on left and right of the 4:3 area, plus black bars from the letterboxing on top and bottom within the 4:3 area. Nice! "Midget picture".

They either don't have the rights to the HD version of the show (seems unlikely, since it was on NBC), or they just don't want to record/broadcast HD on syndicated shows, or they're just f'n with us HD viewers who have the gall to believe that Bravo-HD should maybe broadcast HD shows in HD! Why else would they need an HD channel, if not to broadcast an HD show in HD???

Morons.

I suppose we should be thankful they didn't broadcast it in stretch-o-vision, like TNT-HD and TBS-HD would surely do.

hdtvfan2005

12-29-08, 11:14 PM

Maybe there was an issue. It should be in HD. NBC's facility in Burbank can play back and record HD content. Burbank controls KNSD, KNTV, and KNBC. Don't know what NBCUni does with their cable channels.

Riverside_Guy

12-30-08, 10:55 AM

Berk32

12-30-08, 11:17 AM

DSperber

12-30-08, 12:27 PM

How old was the episode?

West Wing wasn't in HD for its entire run - the fact that it was 16:9 doesn't mean an HD version is available.Dunno. Rob Lowe was still on the show. And Marlie Matlin was on the show. President Bartlett had just given a State of the Union speech and Marlie Matlin was providing the after-poll numbers.

This was an episode from before I started watching, so I don't know whether it was truly in HD or not. But definitely 16:9.

dad1153

12-30-08, 08:55 PM

From Fredfa's "Hot Off The Press" thread:

The Business of Television
UNHAPPY NEW YEAR! Time Warner Cable To Yank MTV, Nickelodeon & Comedy Central Off The Air In NY, LA, Everywhere
From Nikki Finke's LA Weekly 'Deadline Hollywood' Blog - December 30, 2008

What an awful way to ring in 2009. It turns out that Viacom claims it has been trying to negotiate a "fair" renewal of its prized cable channels for months and months, but reputedly Time Warner Cable has been unresponsive and "unreasonable". The nation's 2nd largest cable system operator, in turn, claims Viacom is asking for "exorbitant" increases in carriage fees which would have to be passed along to the customer. So now this fight between the two Big Media giants will hurt cable viewers. At 12:01 AM on January 1st, just after the ball drops in Time Square, Time Warner Cable's 13 million subscribers will lose 19 Viacom channels. The howling starts here, especially by parents home for the holidays with children who won't have access to their favorite shows like SpongeBob Squarepants and Dora The Explorer, and tweens/teens wanting to see new episodes of those new unreality Reality TV series The City and Bromance, and twentysomethings and older who get their news from The Daily Show With Jon Stewart or The Colbert Report.

This affects all U.S. Time Warner cable subscribers including those in New York and Los Angeles. Alex Dudley, a vice president at Time Warner Cable, the nation's second-largest cable operator, is telling reporters that the dispute with Viacom "is that they have asked for an exorbitant increase in their carriage fees and their network ratings are sagging. Basically we're trying to hold the line for our customer." Time Warner Cable claims Viacom has asked for fee increases of between 22% and 36% per channel, but Sumner Redstone's company maintains the increases would cost less than $.25 a month for the package of channels per subscriber who spend a fifth of total TV time watching Viacom shows but its fees make up less than 2.5% of the Time Warner cable bill. (Sports channels are paid the biggest cable premium). But Time Warner Cable also is complaining that Viacom's popular shows are rerun on Web sites where Viacom collects advertising revenue that it does not share with Time Warner. On the other hand, Viacom has staked much of its revenue-growth prospects on squeezing higher carriage rates out of its cable and satellite affiliates despite an ad slowdown and weaker ratings.

Such negotiation battles between cable networks and cable system operators have happened before and lasted merely hours. In 2004, for example, Viacom's cable channels disappeared from EchoStar's Dish Network for two days while both sides fought over the terms of a new contract. And Time Warner blocked ABC from its cable systems in New York during a breakdown in contract negotiations with parent company Disney. So this one will either end fast or go on forever. It probably will depend on how many subscribers start flooding Time Warner Cable with obscene calls.

This is Viacom's just issued statement:

This move by Time Warner Cable to force such channels as Nickelodeon, Comedy Central and MTV off the air is another example of a cable company overreaching for profit at the expense of its viewers.

The renewal we are seeking is reasonable and modest relative to the profits TWC enjoys from our networks. We have asked for an increase of less than 25 cents per month, per subscriber, which adds up to less than a penny per day for all 19 of MTV Networks’ channels. We make this request because TWC has so greatly undervalued our channels for so long. Americans spend more than 20% of their TV viewing time watching our networks, yet our fees amount to less than 2.5% of what Time Warner generates from their average customer.

Throughout the country, we have negotiated equitable license agreement renewals, or are in the final stages of renewals, with virtually every cable and satellite carrier. Nevertheless, Time Warner Cable has dismissed our efforts at a fair compromise and has effectively chosen to deny its customers some of the most popular TV shows on the air.

As a result, we are sorry to say that for Time Warner Cable customers our networks will go dark as of 12:01 on January 1st, denying Time Warner customers shows like Dora the Explorer, SpongeBob SquarePants, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, The Colbert Report, and The Hills.

Ultimately, however, if Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, MTV and the rest of our programming is discontinued – over less than a penny per day - we believe viewers will see this behavior by their cable company as outrageous.

Time Warner Cable subscribers who are being handed a January 1st $3 monthly increase in Raleigh, Orange County, Los Angeles, and New York City are simultaneously facing the removal of beloved shows across 19 channels.

We find it a shame that Time Warner Cable remains unreasonable at this time. We hope its leadership will have a change of heart and will seek to negotiate a fair renewal agreement.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/happy-new-year-time-warner-cable-to-yank-mtv-nickeodeon-comedy-central-off-the-air/

hobbs47

12-30-08, 09:05 PM

Berk32

12-30-08, 09:07 PM

from fredfa's "hot off the press" thread:

the business of television
unhappy new year! Time warner cable to yank mtv, nickelodeon & comedy central off the air in ny, la, everywhere
from nikki finke's la weekly 'deadline hollywood' blog - december 30, 2008

Holy Sh!t!

BenJF3

12-30-08, 09:50 PM

This is why tying needs to be banned by the FCC. Please institute a well regulated Ala Carte system already or this is going to be the norm... wait it already became the norm.

Stan54

12-30-08, 10:10 PM

Viacom should recognize that they are fortunate that the cable companies provide a free distribution system for the advertising on these channels from which Viacom derives outrageous profits. It is unbelievable that Viacom pays no fee for this service.

On the other hand, cable companies do make a profit from customers drawn to purchasing cable service in order to view the programming accompanying Viacom's profit - making advertising. Perhaps, both parties should deem it a fair exchange and let it go at that.

dad1153

12-30-08, 10:20 PM

Viacom already has an ad asking TWC customers to complain: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6625759.html (scroll to the bottom of the story for video). :(

bakntime

12-31-08, 03:54 AM

I don't have any real concept of the economics behind the situation here - I mean, I understand the debate and the basics, but I don't know the numbers. I don't know how much TW really makes off those channels, I don't know how many people actually watch them, I don't know how much money Viacom makes from having those channels on Time Warner, etc. But it seems to me that the increase they're looking for is too high. With the economy in a lull, it's all the more ridiculous.

Of all those channels that Viacom owns, the only ones I ever watch are Spike for the Star Trek episodes (and even those I haven't been watching for months) and Nickelodeon for the late night reruns of Fresh Prince, Family Matters, etc.

Honestly, I wouldn't miss any of those channels all that much. Viacom, I think, is a bit delusional as to the overall popularity of those channels collectively. While they may have a few popular shows, I think overall there's very little that's worth watching on those networks, and I'd guess that the general veiwership would back up that claim.

dad1153

12-31-08, 08:06 AM

^^^ Different strokes for different folks. Older viewers couldn't care less they're not getting Nickelodeon but might be upset to not be able to watch their favorite classics on TV Land. Parents might not care about "SpongeBob" or "Dora" but they'll get the brunt of kid outrage when their rugrats start complaining that their friends on non-TWC households can still watch "South of Nowhere" (The-N) or iCarly (Nickelodeon) while they're in the dark. And this week "Colbert," "Daily Show" and "South Park" are on repeats but, when they come back with new episodes, you bet your bippy I'm going to be off-the-charts poe'd at not being able to watch them when I'm paying almost $150 for my entire cable package.

Individually none of the Viacom channels are strong-enough to be missed. But, as a collective programming block that runs the gamut of tastes, the 19 Viacom channels reach a lot of people that will have something they like to watch potentially blocked. I can see TWC giving in when the calls of angry parents blasting them for depriving kids of their Nick Jr. cartoons (especially on a four-day weekend!) just as much as I can see the whole thing backfiring on Viacom for its greed. We'll know in 16 hours. :(

posg

12-31-08, 08:06 AM

BenJF3

12-31-08, 08:25 AM

Point is that these disputes are happening EVERY MONTH now! The FCC and your elected officials have to step in and regulate this. It is getting out of control to the point where I'm willing to just put up an antenna for broadcast programs. The practice of tying needs to be done away with. Check the link in my sig for more info. A truly Ala Carte system would benefit the masses. The only people that would be hit hard is sports fans and they obviously don't care because they continue to support it. I'd love to be able to pick what networks I want. It doesn't mean you bill is going to be $10 a month, but it would go down for most people. The basic premise is that the cable or sat provider charges a service/delivery fee for the infrastructure and the content providers offer the channels a fixed pricing. The market would determine what channels are worth what.

AlbanyHDTV

12-31-08, 08:28 AM

TV One-HD added to Albany TWC on Channel 1845:

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq226/AlbanyHDTV/ONEHD.jpg

Also, MLB Network (standard def) is on channel 621:

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq226/AlbanyHDTV/MLBnet.jpg

BenJF3

12-31-08, 08:30 AM

yea, and at midnight they are losing 19 channels ... LOL!

Berk32

12-31-08, 10:16 AM

http://www.timewarnercable.com/nynj/mtv.html

We are negotiating earnestly, honestly and fairly with MTV Networks, but so far have been unable to reach an agreement or get an extension.

MTV Networks may pull these channels from your lineup on January 1st.

• MTV Networks wants our customers to pay millions more. They are currently demanding price increases that are nearly triple the rate of increase under our current agreement. These increases would be excessive even in a strong economy, but given the current conditions, it’s simply not fair to our customers.

• MTV’s demands are outrageous and would force our customers to pay millions of dollars more per year. MTV’s networks are not worth so much more today than they were yesterday, especially given the fact that their ratings are mostly declining in recent years.

• Much of their popular programming is also available for free online. In this economy, we don’t believe it’s appropriate to ask our customers to pay so much more for programming with declined ratings or that's available for free.

• We’ve successfully negotiated hundreds of programming agreements with other cable networks, many within the last few months. Our hope is that we will come to an agreement with MTV Networks that is fair to our customers.

Cable networks affected:

Nickelodeon/Nick at Nite
MTV
VH1
Spike
TV Land
Comedy Central
Noggin
MTV2
VH1 Classic
Logo
Nick Too
Nicktoons
The N
Palladia HD
VH1 Soul

Cable channels affected:

Entertainment On Demand
Kids On Demand
Kids Pre-School On Demand
Lifestyle On Demand
Music On Demand

mbmotorsport

12-31-08, 10:52 AM

abcward

12-31-08, 10:58 AM

I realize that Viacom might have unrealistic demands, but I love it when the giant that TWC is wants to try and tug at our heart strings and think we'll feel sorry for them. TWC as a company robs us customers for unrealistic fees every month and is making profits hand over fist, yet you want us to feel sorry for you? Boo freakin hoo.

You're a cable tv provider - negotiating deals with tv channels is what you do. Both TWC and Viacom need to stop looking for sympathy from their customers and act like big boys and get this contract complete. In this day and age of hard working people losing their jobs because of a crumbling financial market, these 2 profitable companies just look ignorant doing this garbage.

/rant off

mbmotorsport

12-31-08, 11:06 AM

PREACH ON man couldent have said it better:)

Berk32

12-31-08, 11:34 AM

Wow no music on demand .....Might not be the most popular but I like it ,,, Nice varity ... Maybe thats why TWC is selling their cable division... They are just starting to get a decent amount of HD about 50 channels in Milw WI ....

It doesn't affect music on demand entirely - just content from the MTV Networks (same with the other channels)

bobbis

12-31-08, 11:42 AM

bobbis

12-31-08, 11:47 AM

TWC is going to get killed on this!!!! How is it that Dish and Direct can work things like this out?

AlbanyHDTV

12-31-08, 12:44 PM

In an email today from Albany TWC:

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq226/AlbanyHDTV/mlblogo.jpg

MLB Network comes to Time Warner Cable

You're a baseball fanatic if you:

1. Want to watch a studio show called "Hot Stove"
2. Can't wait for the World Baseball Classic
3. Are intrigued by "30 Clubs in 30 Days," a special spring training tour
4. Want baseball 24/7 on your TV

If you're a baseball fanatic, then Major League Baseball Network is for you. It's being added to Time Warner Cable's digital cable lineup on channel 621 starting New Year's Day.

In addition to live games, highlights and the features mentioned above, you'll also get the MLB Draft, All-Star Game festivities and an endless library of video featuring more than 200 World Series games, more than 300 League Championship Series games, 48 no-hitters, seven perfect games and much more. The high-definition version of MLB Network is coming soon, too!

Jarrod_38

12-31-08, 12:56 PM

clev12

12-31-08, 01:17 PM

Love me some TWC. They add all these HD channels and now they're getting rid of several more channels. Pure madness.

Tom Wellman

12-31-08, 01:24 PM

Bummer, where do I go to get my Night Court fix? Other than that it wouldn't affect me. I wonder though, what does this mean for CBS O & O OTA stations that are on TWC. Fortunately in the San Diego KFMB which is the CBS affiliate in San Diego shouldn't be affected.

dack70

12-31-08, 01:26 PM

Ok TWC, I tell you what, I'll trade you all those Viacom channels for SciFi-HD, USA-HD, FX-HD, and FoxNews-HD.

Gary J

12-31-08, 01:33 PM

Time Warner Still Pretending Core, Last Mile Fiber The Same

It's certainly cheaper than broadly deploying DOCSIS 3.0

10:03AM Wednesday Dec 31 2008 by Karl Bode

Instead of quickly deploying DOCSIS 3.0 technology like Comcast, Time Warner Cable decided to fight off Verizon FiOS with a new campaign that intentionally confuses consumers by blurring the line between last mile and core network fiber. Their latest website informs consumers that Time Warner Cable "gives you fiber optics without the hassle," but avoids the fact that last mile fiber offers much faster speeds than TWC's current DOCSIS 2.0 network.

Stan54

12-31-08, 01:39 PM

Viacom and all of the other television companies should be so grateful for the cable systems that deliver their profit - creating advertising to millions of eyes around the country that they would be writing checks to the cable systems rather than asking for more money for themselves.

ESPN and all of the others would not even exist, let alone make big money from advertising, if it were not for cable.

dad1153

12-31-08, 01:42 PM

I wonder though, what does this mean for CBS O & O OTA stations that are on TWC.

CBS Broadcast Group (and Showtime) split from Viacom a while back. This TWC-Viacom dispute will have no effect on CBS carriage on TWC systems whatsoever.

Jarrod_38

12-31-08, 01:44 PM

There better be an agree today or I'm going to be mad. I love my The Fairly OddParents.

dad1153

12-31-08, 01:56 PM

So do I but that doesn't make me unique or special, it just means... oh wait! :p

sirjonsnow

12-31-08, 02:05 PM

I just want Comedy Central back in time for The Daily Show and Colbert when they come back from break next week or whenever.

Nimo

12-31-08, 02:21 PM

I think TWC is doing the right thing, they want to keep the cost down for their customers, I for one won't miss much of that line up As I really don't watch mindless entertainment. So far here in WLA we get Universal HD, USA HD , World Cup coverage, Nat Geo HD, TLC HD Discovery HD.

Ever since TWC took over Adelphia the PQ and audio just plain sucks here we get popping audio drops loss of the picture due to weak/poor signals. I'm actually thinking about dumping the whole cable crap until they get their sh!t together and give us a better feed for what I'm paying for.
TV lately has become an aggravation due to the poor quality feeds popping audio drops picture breaking up and total loss of signal for a few seconds and the list goes on. They still think everybody likes the the TV guide with the Spam banner which takes away at least two lines of info and an added punch to the remote. Isn't that what commercials are for? Like we don't get enough spam on TV and they insist on jamming that crap down our throats via the TV guide. I like Dish's TV grid very professional and clean looking with no spam and am seriously thinking about MPG 4 feeds.

dad1153

12-31-08, 02:57 PM

From Fredfa's "Hot Off The Press" thread:

The Business of Television
UNHAPPY NEW YEAR!
Viacom Rejects TWC Extension Offer; Time Warner Cable To Lose Viacom's MTV, VH1, Nickelodeon & Comedy Central In NY, LA, Everywhere
From Nikki Finke's LA Weekly 'deadlinehollywooddaily' blog - December 31, 2008

WEDNESDAY 10 AM: Now it's all about the PR war between these two Big Media giants. To counter Viacom's 12-hour media blitz blasting his company, Glenn Britt, President/CEO of Time Warner Cable just issued this statement about Viacom’s "threats" to pull MTV Networks from TWC customers:

Christmas is over, but Viacom is still playing Scrooge, threatening to pull its MTV Networks off of Time Warner Cable at midnight tonight unless we ask our customers to pay exorbitant price increases.

Viacom claims their demands equate to “pennies,” but that is misleading and insulting to our customers, from whom Viacom is trying to extort another $39 million annually – on top of the hundreds of millions of dollars our customers already pay to Viacom each year. That doesn’t sound like pennies to us. Demanding that our customers pay so much more for these few networks would be unreasonable in any economy, but it is particularly outrageous given the current economic conditions.

We sympathize with the fact that Viacom’s advertising business is suffering and that their networks’ ratings have largely been declining. However, we can’t abide their attempt to make up their lost revenue on the backs of Time Warner Cable customers. We’ve negotiated in good faith and made several concessions to help reach a fair and reasonable deal. We’ve asked for an extension of the current contract while we continue to negotiate. But Viacom doesn’t appear to be interested in what’s fair and reasonable for American consumers – they’re only interested in propping up their sagging bottom line, and they are poised to pull their networks from Time Warner Cable customers tonight.

Huge price increases like what Viacom is demanding threaten the ultimate value of cable TV. Time Warner Cable is a retail distributor of products we purchase wholesale. Wholesale programming costs are rising dramatically every year, and, like all multichannel distributors, we have to pass on at least a portion of the increases to our customers. Viacom’s MTV Networks are just a few of the hundreds of channels we carry. If every channel demanded huge, double-digit increases like what Viacom is trying to force our customers to pay, it would be impossible to keep the price of cable reasonable for our customers.

Time Warner Cable has reached hundreds of distribution agreements with other networks. In fact, we currently have deals with every other cable programmer. The negotiations aren’t always easy, but we work hard to reach agreements that are fair to our customers and to both businesses.

We hope Viacom won’t pull the MTV Networks from Time Warner Cable customers, and we’ll negotiate up to the last possible minute and beyond. But ultimately, it is Viacom’s decision. We implore them to join with us to reach a fair resolution or grant an extension, and we hope they won’t carry through with their threat to take their networks away from our customers tonight.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/happy-new-year-time-warner-cable-to-yank-mtv-nickeodeon-comedy-central-off-the-air/

humdinger70

12-31-08, 02:57 PM

TWC San Diego has turned on MLB Network. Channel 489 for SD, 789 for HD.

Both channels have programming on them - 789 showing some HD content (full wide-screen 16:9)

Nimo

12-31-08, 03:18 PM

Think about the call to TWC, Viacom is pushing the cable subscribers to call in and demand they keep the line up. In the end it will just hurt the end user with a higher bill.... I say don't call in and gives us better channels like the op mantioned they got baseball in SD.

runback22

12-31-08, 03:42 PM

I for one am sick of time warners bleeding heart crap. Its always the other guys fault and big ol time warner is looking out for us little guys. What a load of crap. Why dont I ever hear this with any other provider? Its always TW. First, they protected me from the NFL network, a couple of months back, we almost lost our local abc affiliate because TW was protecting us. Now, MTV networks is the next greedy company? At some point, TW has to realize that this good guy crap they try to portray is an insult to our intelligence.....The only pockets they are protecting is theirs.....

TravKoolBreeze

12-31-08, 03:48 PM

You're a cable tv provider - negotiating deals with tv channels is what you do. Both TWC and Viacom need to stop looking for sympathy from their customers and act like big boys and get this contract complete. In this day and age of hard working people losing their jobs because of a crumbling financial market, these 2 profitable companies just look ignorant doing this garbage.

Just because you were profitable 6 months ago or now doesn't mean something may happen to sink your company. Both Viacom and TWC want to keep positive cashflow and they know about how the recession is hurting both of them (less advertising money, less subscribers, inflation, employee and maintenance cost, etc.). The recession is giving a beating to everyone company and person, even well known brands (Sony, most of the Radio industry). To the consumer, it may look as nonsense but we should look at it fairly from all sides.

posg

12-31-08, 03:48 PM

So my rates go up to cover increases in programming costs, but obviously not enough to actually cover those increases, so I lose programming, but am still paying for the increased costs ????:confused::confused::confused:

jspENC

12-31-08, 04:07 PM

I think TWC is doing the right thing, they want to keep the cost down for their customers

I call BS. They passed on the rate hike before they even negotiated with Viacom. How do you justify that?

They are out to get every cent they can, both from the customer, and the provider.

dad1153

12-31-08, 04:13 PM