My thanks to kevin120 and bernie33 re: Favorites.

You're trying to tease us by only listing 5 of the 10 new channels coming (it's about time on some of them). I guess I'll have to check the U-T to get the complete list. :cool:

Like I said the rest of the channels are well in the legal notice or they could be new channels that haven't been mentioned.

TWC is pretty much in sync with all their divisions
NBA TV is going be removed off the sports tier and NBA TV HD is coming in December for TWC NEO

"Should" is a dangerous word....:D

Even so, that is 38Mbps (256QAM) for 3 HD channels or about 12.6Mbps per HD (assuming a straight QOS allocation).

Wouldn't that be a tad low compared to 18Mbps that folks get OTA for HD channels and would explain why some of us see bad macroblocking for certain sporting events via TWC?

KFMB has a crappy encoder so thats why they get severe macroblocking. I saw a little bit of Speed Racer on HBO HD and this scene had very severe macro blocking. It was a fast scene as well.

KFMB has a crappy encoder so thats why they get severe macroblocking. I saw a little bit of Speed Racer on HBO HD and this scene had very severe macro blocking. It was a fast scene as well.

I'd like to believe that KFMB-HD is the culprit, but somebody on the Sunday NFL CBS thread posted up a bit rate analysis:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17499539#post17499539

Supposedly, KFMB-HD has no sub-channels, and has an OTA bit rate of 18Mbps.

Supposedly, KFMB-HD OTA viewers get a glorious picture with little/no macroblocking.

Supposedly, the finger now points to TWC that may be overstuffing channels into the QAM that carries KFMB-HD and that would explain why I see horrible macroblocking.

I'm just trying to gather up some info to make more informed inquiries with both KFMB and TWC.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/sandiego/support/policies/legalnotice.html

New legal notice for San Diego. Mentions the new HD channels. It mentions channels that we already have but thats for the Ex Adelphia area. Ex Adelphia is preparing to deploy SDV and hand out Motorola MTR700 Tuning adapter.

No need for the Union Tribune for the legal notice. I think we could very well get these HD channels on the 9th.

In fact, NBA-HD (which became available today) is STILL in the Sports Tier. It wasn't put into ALL tiers, and it wasn't moved to Variety Tier. It was left in Sports Tier, in obviously total contradiction to what they supposedly agreed to do per NBA.COM.TWC/LA finally updated their Programming Alerts page today, to reflect what's happening in HD out here.

And, finally explaining the story with NBA-HD: On December 10, NBA TV, channels 262 and 735, will be added to Variety Tier. It will continue to be available on Sports Tier also. That will put NBA-HD in Variety Tier as well.

The following changes will be made on December 10th with a preview beginning November 11, 2009 (explaining why they appeared yesterday):

AMC HD 480, WE HD 486, E! HD 487, History International HD 455, IFC HD 480, Fuse HD 494, MSNBC HD 446, HLN HD 447, CBS College Sports HD 474, NBA TV HD 472, Outdoor Channel HD 499, G4 HD 495, TV One HD 498, Investigation Discovery HD 449, BBC America HD 448, WGN America HD 458, TCM HD 478, Style HD 488, HSN HD 489 and QVC HD 490 will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel.

Well that brings us up to 93 HD channels out here in TWC/LA land (though a few premiums are dups, on two channel). Too bad there's still no resolution on the HDNet/HDNMV issue.

401 KVEA HD (Telemundo)
402 KCBS HD (CBS)
404 KNBC HD (NBC)
405 KTLA HD (CW)
407 KABC HD (ABC)
408 KOCE HD (PBS)
409 KCAL HD (Ind)
410 KPXN (ION) HD
411 KTTV (FOX) HD
412 KCET HD (PBS)

413 KCOP HD (myNetworkTV)
414 Palladia HD
415 TNT HD
416 HD Theater
417 TBS in HD
418 Discovery Channel HD
419 Universal HD
420 Smithsonian Channel HD
421 Crime & Investigation Network HD
422 MGM HD

423 The Golf Channel HD
424 ESPN HD
425 ESPN2 HD
426 ESPNews HD
427 HBO HD (West)
428 Showtime HD (West)
429 Starz HD (West)
430 Cinemax HD (West)
431 HD (Pay-per-view)
432 CNN HD

433 HGTV HD
434 Food Network HD
435 Disney Channel HD
436 ABC Family HD
437 TLC HD
438 A&E HD
439 History HD
440 National Geographic HD
441 USA HD
442 Bravo HD

443 Sci Fi HD
444 CNBC HD+
445 Live Well HD (KABC-DT2)
446 MSNBC HD
447 HLN HD
448 BBC America HD
449 Investigation Discovery HD
451 Animal Planet HD
452 Travel Channel HD
453 Planet Green HD

454 The Weather Channel HD
455 History International HD
456 FX HD
457 BIO HD
458 WGN America HD
460 Science Channel HD
461 Toon Disney HD
462 Cartoon Network HD
463 FOX Sports West HD
464 Prime Ticket HD

465 Fox News HD
466 Fox Business Network HD
467 ESPNU HD
468 Speed HD
469 Versus HD
470 MLB Network HD
471 NHL Network HD
472 NBA TV HD
473 The Tennis Channel HD
474 CBS College Sports HD

475 Lifetime Movie Network HD
476 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
478 TCM HD
479 AMC HD
480 Independent Film Channel
481 HBO HD (East)
482 Cinemax HD (East)
483 Showtime HD (East)
484 The Movie Channel HD
485 Starz HD (East)

486 We TV HD
487 E! HD
488 Style HD
489 HSN HD
490 QVC HD
494 Fuse HD
495 G4 HD
498 TV One HD
499 Outdoor Channel HD
502 HBO HD

522 Cinemax HD
552 Showtime HD
572 Starz HD

That's a diverse and extensive selection, enough to keep anyone in an easy chair and glued to an HD TV.

I still want BBCA HD and Travel HD. Then again theres always next year.

I still want BBCA HD and Travel HD. Then again there's always next year.You mean they're not being made available by your particular TWC affiliate?

They're 448 and 452 in my list above, for TWC/LA. Actually we've had Travel HD for some time now, with BBCA HD just added this week.

I can't imagine that any TWC area would not get what now seems to be a "national list" of channels with whom TWC has worked out carriage arrangements, though actual availability dates may vary by location and infrastructure.

TWC doesn't make a lot of the HD content available to many parts of the country. Since July, in El Paso, TX, I think we have gotten A&E and HISTORY as new HD channels and that's it. The Channel Change Information part of the TWC website for the El Paso area hasn't worked since early July. Customer Service says the Marketing Department will update it when we are scheduled to get something new.

I would love to get half of what some of you are getting (as long as its the channels I want to watch like USA, FX, SYFY, STARZ, CINEMAX, TMC). We have the "wonderful" HD channels like SMITHSONIAN and MAVTV. Whoopee!!

TWC doesn't make a lot of the HD content available to many parts of the country.

Exactly. Just because there is a national carriage agreement does not mean that every division is carrying all of the channels. Here in Rochester, we do have a lot of channels, but we are still waiting on BBCA HD and WGN HD. There is no indication by our local TWC division that we are going to get them anytime soon.

Someone on the Cleveland TWC thread posted some data about our new HD channels and I believe USA HD was close to 13 or 12 Mbps. It's horrible. WWE Raw looks worse on the HD channel than on the analog channel because of the blocking and posterizing on dark colors. It's even visible on some other programming. Lopez Tonight! on TBS HD suffered from the same thing.

Could swear I recall someone calculated bit rates running under 10... while CableLabs seemingly established 15 as what it should be.

Curious, I really don't see that much issue with macroblocking, but a TON of issues with audio drop outs... is it possible low bit rate may be a large factor in having such audio issues?

Charlotte will hit 83 HDs as of 11/23 (scheduled additions this month are in boldface).


HD BASIC (55)

201 WUNG HD (PBS)
205 ABC Family HD
206 Disney HD
207 Planet Green HD
208 Animal Planet HD
209 TLC HD
210 Discovery Channel HD
211 USA HD
212 BIO HD
213 History HD
215 SyFy HD
216 Lifetime Movie Network HD
217 Bravo HD
218 TCM HD
219 BBC America HD
220 WCNC-HD (NBC)
225 WBTV HD (CBS)
230 WTVI HD (PBS)
235 WSOC-HD (ABC)
238 WAXN HD (IND)
239 Fox News Channel HD
240 WCCB HD (FOX)
241 Fox Business Network HD
250 WJZY-HD (CW)
255 WMYT-HD (MYT)
258 CNBC HD
259 CNN HD
260 HGTV HD
261 Food Network HD
262 SPEED HD
263 Fox Sports Carolinas HD
264 Versus HD
265 National Geographic HD
266 Science Channel HD
267 FX HD
268 Travel Channel HD
269 Outdoor Channel HD
270 MLB Network HD
271 AMC HD
272 Headline News HD
273 MSNBC HD
274 Investigation Discovery HD
275 truTV HD
277 Fuse HD
278 ESPNEWS HD
280 HD Theater
281 TNT HD
282 TBS HD
283 A&E HD
284 Palladia
285 ESPN HD
286 ESPN2 HD
287 The Golf Channel HD
289 ESPNU HD
297 WE HD



HD FREE ON-DEMAND (1)

859 HD Showcase On Demand


HD TIER (5)

290 MGM HD
291 Universal HD
292 Smithsonian Channel HD
293 MavTV HD
294 Hallmark Movie Channel HD


HD SPORTS TIER (4)

288 Big Ten Network HD
295 Big Ten Network Alternate Game HD
276 CBS College Sports HD
867 Big Ten Network On Demand HD


PREMIUM HD (17)

312 HBO2 HD
313 HBO Signature HD
314 HBO Family HD
315 HBO Comedy HD
316 HBO Zone HD
318 HBO East HD
319 HBO West HD
549 HBO Latino HD

332 Cinemax HD East
333 Cinemax HD West
334 Action Max HD

356 Showtime HD West
358 Showtime HD
388 Showtime Too HD

359 The Movie Channel HD

376 Starz HD

395 IFC HD


HD PREMIUM ON-DEMAND (1)

802 Movies on Demand HD
Rumors are that they are trying to get the all NC systems to 100 by year's end. Channel additions have been in lock-step state-wide this year.

Could swear I recall someone calculated bit rates running under 10... while CableLabs seemingly established 15 as what it should be.

Curious, I really don't see that much issue with macroblocking, but a TON of issues with audio drop outs... is it possible low bit rate may be a large factor in having such audio issues?

Audio drop outs were a problem here last year when the HD expansion really started happening, but not so much of an issue lately. The worst channel for audio dropouts was Palladia - great channel to have audio issues! :rolleyes:

Speaking of which, Sundance is running the 2 parts of Che soon... we only get their SD channel. HOWEVER, we also have a HD OD channel that DOES carry some Sundance movies in HD. Anyone know how to check and see if they will offer Che in HD in their OD?

Audio drop outs were a problem here last year when the HD expansion really started happening, but not so much of an issue lately. The worst channel for audio dropouts was Palladia - great channel to have audio issues! :rolleyes:

Funny thing... in the beginning, almost no adrop0 pouts on Palladia... but in the last 2-3 months they have crept in. Not near as bad as it can be, but there.

Naturally, last night had 2 clean hours of Fox! BUT I've seen this before, the issue seems to go away for a week, but invariably it's back. I'm just really curious what actually causes this...

Funny thing... in the beginning, almost no adrop0 pouts on Palladia... but in the last 2-3 months they have crept in. Not near as bad as it can be, but there.

Naturally, last night had 2 clean hours of Fox! BUT I've seen this before, the issue seems to go away for a week, but invariably it's back. I'm just really curious what actually causes this...

Palladia was REALLY bad at the beginning... audio would disappear for 10-30 seconds at a time, every few minutes!

I have to say that both PQ and AQ have been pretty solid here this year. North Carolina has a single master headend in Raleigh... even our OTAs are sent up there and sent back to us. Maybe that affords them the opportunity to "do things right".

All of our QAM packages are groomed up there and sent around the state. Funny things happen occasionally. I'm assuming there are redundant routes and such built in for emergencies and servicing, which is good, but... sometimes we see cable channels running Greensboro or Raleigh local ads... or another localized version of News14, the statewide TW news channel.

TWC doesn't make a lot of the HD content available to many parts of the country. Since July, in El Paso, TX, I think we have gotten A&E and HISTORY as new HD channels and that's it. The Channel Change Information part of the TWC website for the El Paso area hasn't worked since early July. Customer Service says the Marketing Department will update it when we are scheduled to get something new.

I would love to get half of what some of you are getting (as long as its the channels I want to watch like USA, FX, SYFY, STARZ, CINEMAX, TMC). We have the "wonderful" HD channels like SMITHSONIAN and MAVTV. Whoopee!!
Gosh I really feel for you guys. Here in Greensboro NC we have with only a couple of exceptions almost all of the above listed HD channels available here. Hope you guys get them soon. My fingers are crossed for you.

Speaking of which, Sundance is running the 2 parts of Che soon... we only get their SD channel. Same here in TWC/LA.

I didn't mention it yesterday because there's no HD counterpart, but the good news (for me and the rest of LA, most of which do NOT have Choice Tier... since it has only one worthwhile channel as far as I'm concerned, NatGeo SD/HD) is that also occurring on December 10:

"Sundance will move from the Choice Tier and Movie Tier to Variety Tier and Movie Tier." This basically makes it available to 85% or more of the LA area at no additional cost over what they're already paying, providing a much larger distribution footprint for the network.

They have the same 2-tier Variety+Movie "broad distribution" implementation for TCM SD/HD. And now Sundance SD will be handled the same way... hopefully there will be an HD version someday.

Interesting, how varied these arrangements are with individual content providers and can apparently change over time. Obviously TWC/LA's offering tier(s) directly impacts revenue paid to the network, so moving it to a wider-reached tier has obvious advantages.

In contrast, IFC SD/HD and Hallmark SD/HD are still exclusively in the Movie Tier, which is a very low-penetration collection of mostly non-HD channels but nevertheless the only way to receive them. I suppose not putting everything of movie-value in Variety as well as Movie retains some miniscule marketing reason for offering those channels and retaining that optional tier.

We will have about 60 channels in HD by the end of the year in Milwaukee Wisconsin (or more.) For the past two weeks, TWC has been adding about two per week after almost a year of no adds. Actually, they have most of what I like. We still only have the base channels for HBO and Showtime (to which I currently subscribe) in HD. We also have Cinemax HD, Starz HD, and TMC HD. but only the base channel. I think that All premium channels that a customer subscribes to, should be in HD! Some divisions have the base channel on Demand in HD. We don't have any Premium on Demand Channels in HD.

But knowing TWC, they will have about three rate increases before they would offer really good On Demand Channels in HD!

Jack

Hey,

Do you guys think that that new Digital Choice Package that only has about 5-7 channels at $4.95 a month is a total rip-off? Here in Wisconsin, I always had Digital Standard, which was everything except the Digital Sports Package, the Encore Movie Lover Package, The Spanish Package, and any Premium Channels.

Well, those rip-off artists at TWC instead of just adding these four channels to Digital Standard, (now called Digital Variety) require people to pay $4.95 a month extra for Digital Choice and the ONLY channels in it are:

RFD TV

Ovation

Military History

Nick 2

Crime and Investigation

What a load of crap! The only channel I would ever watch in that sequence is the C & I network. Do any of you in your division just get Digital Choice added to your service as in grandfather claused? I can't see how those channels would be worth $4.95 extra.

Jack

Before I got a mega charged package we had a Variety tier that was $12.00 and that had both the Choice and Variety tier. We've had that package well after they split the packages. I still get them but they're now separated. San Diego charges $6.00 a digital pack and Spanish is $7.95

You mean they're not being made available by your particular TWC affiliate?

They're 448 and 452 in my list above, for TWC/LA. Actually we've had Travel HD for some time now, with BBCA HD just added this week.

I can't imagine that any TWC area would not get what now seems to be a "national list" of channels with whom TWC has worked out carriage arrangements, though actual availability dates may vary by location and infrastructure.

The SD version of Travel Channel is being moved to digital via SDV so you need a box or a UDCP host + a Tuning resolver. However, it's still on the Expanded Basic Tier. OC isn't getting BBCA HD but there is always next year to add them. At least I'm getting MSNBC HD and thats good enough for now.

Hey,

Do you guys think that that new Digital Choice Package that only has about 5-7 channels at $4.95 a month is a total rip-off? Here in Wisconsin, I always had Digital Standard, which was everything except the Digital Sports Package, the Encore Movie Lover Package, The Spanish Package, and any Premium Channels.

Well, those rip-off artists at TWC instead of just adding these four channels to Digital Standard, (now called Digital Variety) require people to pay $4.95 a month extra for Digital Choice and the ONLY channels in it are:

RFD TV

Ovation

Military History

Nick 2

Crime and Investigation

What a load of crap! The only channel I would ever watch in that sequence is the C & I network. Do any of you in your division just get Digital Choice added to your service as in grandfather claused? I can't see how those channels would be worth $4.95 extra.

Jack

We have the same crap in NE Ohio. The Choice Tier, Movie Tier and Sports Tier are the biggest ripoffs in the world, and I refuse to subscribe to any of them. There is no grandfathering, stuff here like DIY and Fine Living used to be part of Digital Basic. TWC moved them into the choice tier.

I now have N on my non DVR HD box and it is sloooooooooooooow! Besides that the volume control does not work either on the remote or the cable box. It can be mute or at full volume, no way to adjust it. Hopefully when my DVR gets N it will work! I did go to live chat a few minutes ago and they are going to have a tech guy here between 8 - 10 in the morning so I got that going for me!

We shall see if he/she can fix it! Saturday is a day when we use both sets a lot. I love football and my wife does not so they both get a workout on Saturday and Sunday. :(

In contrast, IFC SD/HD and Hallmark SD/HD are still exclusively in the Movie Tier, which is a very low-penetration collection of mostly non-HD channels but nevertheless the only way to receive them. I suppose not putting everything of movie-value in Variety as well as Movie retains some miniscule marketing reason for offering those channels and retaining that optional tier.

Interesting... we actually have very few "tiers" to deal with. There are 2 major ones (Basic, DTValue), but you get way more for DTValue. There's Sports tier and a HDXtra (which seems to have some of the Sports tier and Smithsonian and MGM as the only worthwhile additions... it used to have the HDNets and a lot of my homies subscribed, but after TWC ditched HDSNet many of us dropped HDXtra). That's it.

IFC HD is a MAJOR disappointment as they seem to run everything in non-linear stretch, so even forcing it into 4:3 to avoid the distortion isn't possible.

Hey,

Do you guys think that that new Digital Choice Package that only has about 5-7 channels at $4.95 a month is a total rip-off? Here in Wisconsin, I always had Digital Standard, which was everything except the Digital Sports Package, the Encore Movie Lover Package, The Spanish Package, and any Premium Channels.

Well, those rip-off artists at TWC instead of just adding these four channels to Digital Standard, (now called Digital Variety) require people to pay $4.95 a month extra for Digital Choice and the ONLY channels in it are:

RFD TV

Ovation

Military History

Nick 2

Crime and Investigation

What a load of crap! The only channel I would ever watch in that sequence is the C & I network. Do any of you in your division just get Digital Choice added to your service as in grandfather claused? I can't see how those channels would be worth $4.95 extra.

Jack

Sounds like it mirrors somewhat the HDXtra package they market here. Used to subscribe, it used to have HDNets, was worth it. BUT even though I dropped it, it does have Smithsonian and MGM, 2 worthwhile channels IMO.

Okay, I was wrong about getting A&E and HISTORY channels in HD. I was going thru the guide last night, clicked on them, and got a message to call a 1-800 number to request access.

Here is the listing of HD channels for El Paso, TX:

806 HD Showcase on Demand (repeats of recent TV shows, but not a great selection).
840 HD Movies on Demand (pay per view)
860 KTCM (NBC)
865 KDBC (CBS)
870 KFOX (FOX)
875 KVIA (ABC)
876 KVIA2 (CW)
880 KCOS (PBS)
890 DISCOVERY
893 TNT
894 FOX SPORTS SOUTHWEST (off-air a lot)
895 ESPN
896 ESPN 2
897 SMITHSONIAN
898 MGM
901 UNIVERSAL
909 MAVTV
706/714 HBO EAST & WEST
736/745 SHOWTIME EAST & WEST
973 ADULT PAY PER VIEW (mostly off-air)
974 ADULT PAY PER VIEW 2 (mostly off-air)

Not a very good selection. The main networks I can get OTA. So the HD channels I use mostly are HBO, SHOWTIME, MGM, TNT once in a while, and UNIVERSAL once in a while.

I have requested more several times. Just get ignored. Too many people around here are too poor or use satellite. I don't want satellite because I hate locking myself into service contracts.

I now have N on my non DVR HD box and it is sloooooooooooooow! Besides that the volume control does not work either on the remote or the cable box. It can be mute or at full volume, no way to adjust it. Hopefully when my DVR gets N it will work! I did go to live chat a few minutes ago and they are going to have a tech guy here between 8 - 10 in the morning so I got that going for me!

We shall see if he/she can fix it! Saturday is a day when we use both sets a lot. I love football and my wife does not so they both get a workout on Saturday and Sunday. :(

go into the audio settings and change to variable

IFC HD is a MAJOR disappointment as they seem to run everything in non-linear stretch, so even forcing it into 4:3 to avoid the distortion isn't possible.

Why do they even bother? I'd rather watch in 4:3 even on an HDTV since the PQ is better without stretch-o-vision.

Why do they even bother? I'd rather watch in 4:3 even on an HDTV since the PQ is better without stretch-o-vision.

Because the uneducated insist on filling a 16:9's display, or they think it's not HD. Because there are people on AVS who should know better, but prefer their picture stretched.

Oh, forgot to mention it, it also sure looked like SD anyway. Which I may not mind if they stuck to OAR.

Do check it for yourself, I haven't gone there in several months...

That doesn't change the fact that we're getting it.

Does any TWC service area have SpikeHD, Comedy Central HD, or MTV HD?

Here in Southern Maine, they just brought us up to 100 HD channels (many are premium movie channels), and those are the big 3 channels that are still not included.

I would also like to see the HDNets come back, but after I email Mark Cuban about it........he said TWC wants the channels for no money, and Cuban won't let that happen.

Steve

but after I email Mark Cuban about it........he said TWC wants the channels for no money, and Cuban won't let that happen.


LOL...if you believe what Cuban tells you, I got a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.

Does any TWC service area have SpikeHD, Comedy Central HD, or MTV HD?

As per the first post in this thread. No.

MSNBC HD
AMC HD
ESPNU HD
G4 HD
QVC HD
TruTV HD
Univision HD
Showtime 2 East HD
Showtime Showcase HD
Showtime Extreme HD
IFC HD
NBATV HD
Weather Channel HD
WGN America HD
Tennis Channel HD
HBO 2 HD
Disney XD HD
Lifetime HD
TMC Xtra HD

The list of future HD channels for San Diego. BBC America HD and Travel HD would be the icing on the cake but there's always next year.

MSNBC HD
AMC HD
ESPNU HD
G4 HD
QVC HD
TruTV HD
Univision HD
Showtime 2 East HD
Showtime Showcase HD
Showtime Extreme HD
IFC HD
NBATV HD
Weather Channel HD
WGN America HD
Tennis Channel HD
HBO 2 HD
Disney XD HD
Lifetime HD
TMC Xtra HD

The list of future HD channels for San Diego. BBC America HD and Travel HD would be the icing on the cake but there's always next year.

Twc dallas is moving 5 analogs to digital:
47 tru TV
50 STYLE moving to Ch150
61 abc family
63 cmt
73 oxygen

they are adding 4 HD long overdue

USA HD 769
CNBC HD 764
BRAVO HD 763
SYFY HD 762

and also adding:
CNBC WORLD 225
SLEUTH 271

Our divsion is also moving CMT, TruTv, and ABC Family to digital.

Twc dallas is moving 5 analogs to digital:
47 tru TV
50 STYLE moving to Ch150
61 abc family
63 cmt
73 oxygen

they are adding 4 HD long overdue

USA HD 769
CNBC HD 764
BRAVO HD 763
SYFY HD 762

and also adding:
CNBC WORLD 225
SLEUTH 271 [/FONT]
That is good news, and you make me feel very powerful. :) I called just a couple of weeks ago an asked them to add Syfy HD. But I also asked them to add Comedy Central HD. I should have asked them to add MSNBC HD too while I was at it.

But, I don't see any of these changes on their official change webpages. Is this information available someplace that the rest of us can access it? And do you know if there is an easy way to find the QAM equivalent for these new channels tha I cna add to the list I've built? Thanks.

That is good news, and you make me feel very powerful. :) I called just a couple of weeks ago an asked them to add Syfy HD. But I also asked them to add Comedy Central HD. I should have asked them to add MSNBC HD too while I was at it.

But, I don't see any of these changes on their official change webpages. Is this information available someplace that the rest of us can access it? And do you know if there is an easy way to find the QAM equivalent for these new channels tha I cna add to the list I've built? Thanks.

yes dallas morning news shopping/classifieds online. or go to broadband reports twc DFW thread.

they will require a cable card or cable box. no clear qam. :(

yes dallas morning news shopping/classifieds online. or go to broadband reports twc DFW thread.

they will require a cable card or cable box. no clear qam. :(
Thanks. Much as I want to believe the info on Broadband Reports, the changes shown there are different than that on the TWC site for Dallas (and North Texas). The current TWC North Texas page at http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/89/Content%20Management/documents/transmissions/TWC_NTX%20DALLAS%20MORNING%20NEWS.pdf shows only a fraction of the information shown on the Broadband site. The TWC site shows this:
Dallas Morning News
From time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better
serve our customers. The following changes are planned:
ADD:
KERA World to Basic Service Channel 383. Digital set-top or digital television required.
WFAA3 (This TV) to Basic Service Channel 372. Digital set-top or digital television
required.
MOVE:
NBA TV from Digital Sports Service Channel 188 to Digital Basic Channel 188.
DELETE:
None at this time.
CHANGE:
None at this time.

The Broadband item does not include anything that identifies the location for the changes that are listed there. I couldn't find anything on the Dallas Morning News website.

Shucks.

Thanks. Much as I want to believe the info on Broadband Reports, the changes shown there are different than that on the TWC site for Dallas (and North Texas). The current TWC North Texas page at http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/89/Content%20Management/documents/transmissions/TWC_NTX%20DALLAS%20MORNING%20NEWS.pdf shows only a fraction of the information shown on the Broadband site. The TWC site shows this:


The Broadband item does not include anything that identifies the location for the changes that are listed there. I couldn't find anything on the Dallas Morning News website.

Shucks.

http://shopping.dallasnews.com/ROP/Ads.aspx?advid=449976&adid=8583772

the broadband reports page is the exact page off of the dallas morning news legal notice so it is official.

also anything mentioned unless stated means all of the dallas metro systems are getting the changes.

http://shopping.dallasnews.com/ROP/Ads.aspx?advid=449976&adid=8583772

the broadband reports page is the exact page off of the dallas morning news legal notice so it is official.

also anything mentioned unless stated means all of the dallas metro systems are getting the changes.
Thank you. Bizarre that TWC's website is behind their newspaper ad.

TWC San Diego is giving away a free box for 1 year and free shipping. Offer ends on 1.31.10. TWC has revealed which channels will be playing musical chairs and going digital. Some are going digital but will remain on their analog number. Finally Hallmark channel is leaving the Expanded Basic Tier to the Digital Variety tier and you'll need a box or a TA compatible UDCP device in order to view this channel.

C-Span2 is moving to CH. 121
ShopNBC is moving to CH. 22
ABC Family is staying on CH. 35 but is moving to digital
TruTV is staying on CH. 39
Travel Channel is moving to CH. 69
CMT is moving to CH. 66
Hallmark moving to CH. 279 in the Digital Variety Tier

Comedy Central moving to CH. 60
BET moving to CH. 70
C-Span to move to CH. 21
XHAS (Telemundo) to move to CH. 20
Golf Channel moving to CH. 58
Golf Channel HD moving to CH. 758

This should affect TWC San Diego and North County. TWC San Diego WILL NOT lower your bill just because of this. People with Cable Cards, boxes, and Tuning adapter shouldn't be affected by this but I think they're moving them to SDV which requires a box, or a TA compatible UDCP host to view them. This will happen on 12.09.09 so be prepared for this. On the other hand 10 HD channels will be added by then.

Hope this helps.

If the offer ends 01-31-09, it was over long ago.

If the offer ends 01-31-09, it was over long ago.

Thanks for pointing out the typo. It's 1-31-10.

I know this is a technical complaint. However it happened when the DVR was programed last week for the NEW Navigator. Now every time you change the channel there is the flashing of the picture and about a 5 second delay in the switch.

When I called TWC, they said that they've had many complaints and that it may be a software glitch. No idea when there will be a fix. Anyone else have this problem?:mad:

I know this is a technical complaint. However it happened when the DVR was programed last week for the NEW Navigator. Now every time you change the channel there is the flashing of the picture and about a 5 second delay in the switch.

When I called TWC, they said that they've had many complaints and that it may be a software glitch. No idea when there will be a fix. Anyone else have this problem?:mad:

You likely had your old software set to output only a single resolution, so your TV and/or AVR never had to deal with resolution changes when you changed channels. The default for Navigator is to output all source resolutions natively, which is typically the best PQ option but can expose handshake delays in your AVR and/or TV.

You can change the Navigator setup to scale all sources to a single resolution just like you were previously set to do. If you go into Settings/Display/Output Resolution, uncheck all but one output resolution (typically, 1080i) and it should behave just the way you were used to.

Keep in mind, however, that for most setups, having the box scale to a single resolution is NOT the best PQ option... but many are willing to live with the PQ degradation caused by multiple scaling/interlacing/deinterlacing steps if it speeds up the channel changing process.

The most disheartening thing in your post is that the TW CSR should have told you the same thing that I just did... that it's just an easily changed setting and not a "software glitch". Sometimes they are their own worst enemy.

BTW, there is a very active Navigator thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=723830) for questions like this.

Just counted as as of today Greensboro NC has 82 HD channels. They claim we will have 100 by end of this year or early part of next year. Were getting there and they now have most of the channels I watch.

November 23, 2009: The following channels will be added:

CNBC World - Channel 316 (Digital Basic)
HBO Signature HD - Channel 877 (requires subscription to HBO)
HBO Family HD - Channel 878 (requires subscription to HBO)
HBO Comedy HD - Channel 879 (requires subscription to HBO)
HBO Zone HD - Channel 880 (requires subscription to HBO)
HBO Latino HD - Channel 881 (requires subscription to HBO)
Showtime Too HD - Channel 889 (requires subscription to Showtime)
Action Max HD - Channel 883 (requires subscription to Cinemax)
Cartoon Network HD - Channel 646 (Basic Cable plus HD converter)
We HD - Channel 643 (Basic Cable plus HD converter)
IFC HD - Channel 898 (Movie Tier/Premium)


now if they'll rearange the channels so that all the hbo's and sho's are together we'll be golden

KFMB is now using a Grass Valley HD encoder and they'll be using it until they work out the kinks with the Tiernan encoder. It was the encoder that was causing the macroblocking.

November 23, 2009: The following channels will be added:

CNBC World - Channel 316 (Digital Basic)
HBO Signature HD - Channel 877 (requires subscription to HBO)
HBO Family HD - Channel 878 (requires subscription to HBO)
HBO Comedy HD - Channel 879 (requires subscription to HBO)
HBO Zone HD - Channel 880 (requires subscription to HBO)
HBO Latino HD - Channel 881 (requires subscription to HBO)
Showtime Too HD - Channel 889 (requires subscription to Showtime)
Action Max HD - Channel 883 (requires subscription to Cinemax)
Cartoon Network HD - Channel 646 (Basic Cable plus HD converter)
We HD - Channel 643 (Basic Cable plus HD converter)
IFC HD - Channel 898 (Movie Tier/Premium)


now if they'll rearange the channels so that all the hbo's and sho's are together we'll be golden

Amen to that.

Does anyone here live in a TWC division where switched digital video(SDV) has been deployed? If so, have you noticed a degradation in picture quality?

For a few weeks now I noticed that the picture quality on ESPN HD looked worse than it used to so on Saturday night I flipped back and forth between the Arizona/Oregon game on ABC HD and the Kansas/Nebraska game on ESPN HD. Since the same company was broadcasting both games(ESPN and "ESPN on ABC") I thought that it would be a good way to tell if ESPN HD was noticeably worse.

I found that the picture quality of the ESPN HD game was MUCH WORSE than the picture quality of the ABC HD game. The only explanation I can think of is that ABC HD only shares a QAM with one other channel whereas ESPN HD now shares a QAM with 2 other channels. When I stood 3 feet from my 46 inch Sony LCD, ESPN HD didn't look much better than a YouTube video. The mosquito noise and blocking were awful.

Has anyone noticed something similar with channels that TWC had pre-SDV? The pre-SDV channels were ones in the old HD pack like ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD, Discovery Theater etc.

Does anyone here live in a TWC division where switched digital video(SDV) has been deployed? If so, have you noticed a degradation in picture quality?

For a few weeks now I noticed that the picture quality on ESPN HD looked worse than it used to so on Saturday night I flipped back and forth between the Arizona/Oregon game on ABC HD and the Kansas/Nebraska game on ESPN HD. Since the same company was broadcasting both games(ESPN and "ESPN on ABC") I thought that it would be a good way to tell if ESPN HD was noticeably worse.

I found that the picture quality of the ESPN HD game was MUCH WORSE than the picture quality of the ABC HD game. The only explanation I can think of is that ABC HD only shares a QAM with one other channel whereas ESPN HD now shares a QAM with 2 other channels. When I stood 3 feet from my 46 inch Sony LCD, ESPN HD didn't look much better than a YouTube video. The mosquito noise and blocking were awful.

Has anyone noticed something similar with channels that TWC had pre-SDV? The pre-SDV channels were ones in the old HD pack like ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD, Discovery Theater etc.

the problem is espn not twc. it has been reported that the problem is on other providers such as cox.

Does anyone here live in a TWC division where switched digital video(SDV) has been deployed? If so, have you noticed a degradation in picture quality?

For a few weeks now I noticed that the picture quality on ESPN HD looked worse than it used to so on Saturday night I flipped back and forth between the Arizona/Oregon game on ABC HD and the Kansas/Nebraska game on ESPN HD. Since the same company was broadcasting both games(ESPN and "ESPN on ABC") I thought that it would be a good way to tell if ESPN HD was noticeably worse.

I found that the picture quality of the ESPN HD game was MUCH WORSE than the picture quality of the ABC HD game. The only explanation I can think of is that ABC HD only shares a QAM with one other channel whereas ESPN HD now shares a QAM with 2 other channels. When I stood 3 feet from my 46 inch Sony LCD, ESPN HD didn't look much better than a YouTube video. The mosquito noise and blocking were awful.

Has anyone noticed something similar with channels that TWC had pre-SDV? The pre-SDV channels were ones in the old HD pack like ESPN HD, ESPN2 HD, Discovery Theater etc.

Some of the original HD channels have been switched recently to SDV as you noted, but ESPN and ESPN2 are NOT SDV in Charlotte. They are still in "broadcast" mode on fixed QAM assignments.

http://www.rolloverorgettough.com/

Looks like this will be on TV, radio, print you name it. TWC has several contracts that will expire this year and they need to renew it.

http://www.rolloverorgettough.com/

Looks like this will be on TV, radio, print you name it. TWC has several contracts that will expire this year and they need to renew it.

Does this mean there's gonna be another Viacom style incident soon?

My vote goes that TWC will roll over in the 11th hour and just raise our rates to regain the extra money spend on the new contracts.

It looks to me the vote is for what you want them to do not what they will do.

Some of the original HD channels have been switched recently to SDV as you noted, but ESPN and ESPN2 are NOT SDV in Charlotte. They are still in "broadcast" mode on fixed QAM assignments.

Thanks jcalabria. Do you know if a third HD channel was recently added to the QAM that ESPN HD is on?

Like I said, I was doing an A/B comparison between football games on ABC HD and ESPN HD and the picture quality of the ESPN HD game was much worse. A few weeks/months ago this was not the case.

Some of the original HD channels have been switched recently to SDV as you noted, but ESPN and ESPN2 are NOT SDV in Charlotte. They are still in "broadcast" mode on fixed QAM assignments.

SDV seems to be ready to deploy in my market, but not currently used. One useful tidbit you MAY know is how does one tell it's a SDV channel? I'd guess that info MAY be in the extended diagnostics, but not having any SDV, I can't say for sure.

Thanks jcalabria. Do you know if a third HD channel was recently added to the QAM that ESPN HD is on?

Like I said, I was doing an A/B comparison between football games on ABC HD and ESPN HD and the picture quality of the ESPN HD game was much worse. A few weeks/months ago this was not the case.


To the best of my knowledge, ESPN HD & ESPN2 HD are currently packaged in the same QAM along with 4 SD channels:

ESPN HD
ESPN2 HD
MTV2
NEWS 14
Vavoom
Playboy
For a brief time leading up to the realignment/transition period (Sept-Oct), there MAY have been six SDs (two more localized News 14 feeds) in the mix. Much earlier in the year, I had seen some info that indicated that there may have been only one SD in the ESPN HD QAM mix... but that info was from Iredell County (ex-Adelphia)... I did not see the same info for the rest of the Charlotte Division, so I cannot really say that the channel loading was increased here during the year other than the brief 6 SD period I mentioned.


For a comparison relevant to your ABC/ESPN PQ faceoff. I believe that WSOC (ABC) is currently packaged as follows (2 HDs + 5 SDs):

WTVI-HD
WTVI-GOV
WTVI-ED
WSOC-HD
WSOC-Weather
WJZY SD
WCCB SD
I have no info on the actual bandwidth allocation between the subchannels for either QAM package, or if that has changed in any way.

SDV seems to be ready to deploy in my market, but not currently used. One useful tidbit you MAY know is how does one tell it's a SDV channel? I'd guess that info MAY be in the extended diagnostics, but not having any SDV, I can't say for sure.

It is in the ODN diagnostics pages, not sure if MDN is similar or not. You can enter the diagnostics, get to the tuner status page, and scroll through the channels while in the diagnostics. A live display indicates SDV/Non-SDV for each tuner as you change channels.

In general, SDV has worked well enough here in Charlotte that this is the only way to really tell what is or isn't SDV... it is extremely rare that I ever see the dreaded "Channel Not Available, Try Again" message.

http://www.rolloverorgettough.com/

Looks like this will be on TV, radio, print you name it. TWC has several contracts that will expire this year and they need to renew it.

I would like to seen the cable and satellite companies get tough with the networks and broadcast stations even if we lose some of them for a while.

On the other hand, I can't see many people on the Forum supporting that position, since most appear to be desperately in love with television, almost to the point of being willing to pay any price or bear any burden. Rarely, do people posting to the Forum blame anyone other than the cable company when there is a delay in adding a channel due to negotiations.

In my area, Sinclair owned the CBS station and TWC went a long time before they could land the HD channel. There was a lot of moaning and groaning and finger - pointing from subscribers, but I suspect that it was at least a small step toward holding down monthly charges.

Get tough, TWC. We can get by on The Weather Channel and Ovation for a while if we have to.

It is in the ODN diagnostics pages, not sure if MDN is similar or not. You can enter the diagnostics, get to the tuner status page, and scroll through the channels while in the diagnostics. A live display indicates SDV/Non-SDV for each tuner as you change channels.

In general, SDV has worked well enough here in Charlotte that this is the only way to really tell what is or isn't SDV... it is extremely rare that I ever see the dreaded "Channel Not Available, Try Again" message.

Good.. figured that. In my MDN diagnostics, I see messages about it being available (confirming news reports).

http://www.rolloverorgettough.com/

Looks like this will be on TV, radio, print you name it. TWC has several contracts that will expire this year and they need to renew it.

Typical.

I think everyone who bemoans the possible loss of locals in HD should at least try to receive channels over the air. I put a rooftop antenna up and get all HD locals and SD subs in beautiful uncompressed quality.

Have always had an alternative in place because in L.A., the cable is first to go and last to come back when we have earthquakes, fire, rain and even wind. In other words, the times when I'd most like to tuned into local news.

With a few exceptions, most of what I watch now is local, DVD and/or internet streaming (Netflix Roku). If I get that TiVo in place with the local antenna, I may cancel altogether.

So fight it out amongst yourself, boys. Networks shouldn't be so demanding when the alternative is to just get it for free over the air. Cable shouldn't be so demanding because as more people go to antennas out of desperation, the more who will discover how superior it is and possibly drop the service.

Even though I want TWC to play tough on contract negotiations, my resolve is a little less strong when it comes to the broadcast networks because they are so basic. Even then, we might have to do without for a short term for the long term gain. Be tough and hold down the ridiculous cost of cable.

Latest HD Channels for TWC NEO.
December 15th
NBA TV HD
NHL Network HD
CBS College Sports HD
Tennis Channel HD

Does this mean there's gonna be another Viacom style incident soon?

My vote goes that TWC will roll over in the 11th hour and just raise our rates to regain the extra money spend on the new contracts.

What are the big channels that are up for renewal contract? I did hear TWC was having trouble with Fox, what others?

Jack

Ha, the trouble I see is TWC seems totally incapable of providing a clean and steady HD stream for Fox... far more than any other channel, my system has serious issues delivered Fox HD.

So I returned my DVR last month since I have an HDTivo now. Then I get my bill and they had removed the "All the best" package and charged me for a phone/internet package, basic cable, digital, etc - adding up to more than the cost of "All the best" plus DVR. They say you can't have that package without having at least the basic box which, of course, you have to rent. What a crock of sh!t.

I live in the city of Chino Hills in southern Calif. I am unable to tune 3 local channels via qam (7 abc, 11 fox, and 9 kcal) all other channels come in fine as always. The 3 affected channels have almost no sound at all and the picture is like a freeze frame sometimes turning black. I notiified Crime (Time) Warner but they said they are not responsible for 3rd party tuners and that since it did not affect all qam channels the fault was not on there end. Of course since my qam tuner picks up 6 of 9 available the fault doesn't seem to be on my end. TW said it must be the networks and would notify them that there is something wrong with there feed. This just started today. My cable box works fine. Anyone else having problems?
UPDATE:
TW has called back twice: 1st time for additional info and 2nd time to schedule an appointment to check the signal strength to my qam tuner. At least TW is actively trying to diagnose where the problem exists. During my 1st phone call I did have to check the 1st customer service representative because she was completely unwilling to do anything about my issues, the floor supervisor is the one that listened and has called me back twice.

So I returned my DVR last month since I have an HDTivo now. Then I get my bill and they had removed the "All the best" package and charged me for a phone/internet package, basic cable, digital, etc - adding up to more than the cost of "All the best" plus DVR. They say you can't have that package without having at least the basic box which, of course, you have to rent. What a crock of sh!t.

There have been differences of opinion over exactly what you do or don't save by going to a third party DVR. I have always felt it was the DVR fee that one saves, not necessarily the portion of the package that was for renting a box.

As in they wouldn't take 3-4- bucks or whatever off the packge price if you went boxless from them. OTOH, having a basic box in addition to a 2 tuner TiVo/Moxi DOES have a value. One CAN have 2 streams being recorded AND can watch a live show from the non DVR box. Not to mention there CAN be 4 popular shows on at the same time.

I would like to seen the cable and satellite companies get tough with the networks and broadcast stations even if we lose some of them for a while.

You think that's it? This isn't about protecting the consumers. It's about Glenn Britt trying to make more money. The same reason they developed their own poorly designed IPG instead of licensing competent software, the same reason they used SDV instead of sufficiently upgrading their infrastructure over the past ten years, the same reason they wouldn't carry Starz On Demand for years ... the list goes on.

Next year, just like this year, your cable rates will rise. Whether you have those channels or not. I guarantee that if they drop channels completely your bill will go up instead of going down. When the HD Suite lost major channels did it drop in price to compensate? No. When they replaced the lost channels with abysmal fare like Mav did it drop in price? No.

Speaking of infrastructure, I have a question. TWC for me is fiber to a manhole about 100' from coming into my building (add in a variable run of copper once inside the building). Word has it that they have about 500 accounts at a maximum for each node. How "bandwidth restrictive" is that really? We think FiOS is unlimited, but in every application, the fiber gets injected into copper for 10-100 feet, with 30 most likely a reasonable average.

Part of this is is there a linear fall off once riding in copper? How much might TWC gain by going fiber TO each apartment building?

Just curious...

Speaking of infrastructure, I have a question. TWC for me is fiber to a manhole about 100' from coming into my building (add in a variable run of copper once inside the building). Word has it that they have about 500 accounts at a maximum for each node. How "bandwidth restrictive" is that really? We think FiOS is unlimited, but in every application, the fiber gets injected into copper for 10-100 feet, with 30 most likely a reasonable average.

Part of this is is there a linear fall off once riding in copper? How much might TWC gain by going fiber TO each apartment building?

Just curious...

if SDV is used in your area, it's 200 accounts per node

There have been differences of opinion over exactly what you do or don't save by going to a third party DVR. I have always felt it was the DVR fee that one saves, not necessarily the portion of the package that was for renting a box.

As in they wouldn't take 3-4- bucks or whatever off the packge price if you went boxless from them. OTOH, having a basic box in addition to a 2 tuner TiVo/Moxi DOES have a value. One CAN have 2 streams being recorded AND can watch a live show from the non DVR box. Not to mention there CAN be 4 popular shows on at the same time.

I know what you're saying, and I'll actually use this box now that I have a TV in my gym, but it's the principle of the thing. It was also their DVR I was returning and they didn't tell me anything about taking their basic box or they would change my service AND charge me more for it.

I live in the city of Chino Hills in southern Calif. I am unable to tune 3 local channels via qam (7 abc, 11 fox, and 9 kcal) all other channels come in fine as always. The 3 affected channels have almost no sound at all and the picture is like a freeze frame sometimes turning black. I notiified Crime (Time) Warner but they said they are not responsible for 3rd party tuners and that since it did not affect all qam channels the fault was not on there end. Of course since my qam tuner picks up 6 of 9 available the fault doesn't seem to be on my end. TW said it must be the networks and would notify them that there is something wrong with there feed. This just started today. My cable box works fine. Anyone else having problems?
UPDATE:
TW has called back twice: 1st time for additional info and 2nd time to schedule an appointment to check the signal strength to my qam tuner. At least TW is actively trying to diagnose where the problem exists. During my 1st phone call I did have to check the 1st customer service representative because she was completely unwilling to do anything about my issues, the floor supervisor is the one that listened and has called me back twice.
I had a similar issue with a new TV in the kitchen. I hooked it up to the drop outside directly (without any splitters) and it scanned all the channels fine. Then I brought it in and it has been fine since off the same splitters I tried originally. For me it seemed to be too weak of a signal for the TV to scan properly. May be TVs fault since the other TV had no problems. Try less splitting or clean up the contacts some and see what happens. /Dan

TWC yuma arizona is adding Gospel music channel HD



http://www.timewarnercable.com/Yuma-ElCentro/support/policies/channelchange.html

yuma has SDV and will have about 90 HD when they add all of the hd in their legal notice.

note that YUMA was one of the first motorola systems to launch sdv with iguide.

TWC yuma arizona is adding Gospel music channel HD



http://www.timewarnercable.com/Yuma-ElCentro/support/policies/channelchange.html

yuma has SDV and will have about 90 HD when they add all of the hd in their legal notice.

note that YUMA was one of the first motorola systems to launch sdv with iguide.

I wonder if you guys are going to get COX 4 San Diego HD (The Padres Channel). You guys already have the standard definition version of it. Yuma is considered not only a Diamondbacks market, but also a Padres market too.

I wonder if you guys are going to get COX 4 San Diego HD (The Padres Channel). You guys already have the standard definition version of it. Yuma is considered not only a Diamondbacks market, but also a Padres market too.

I actually dont live in yuma I live in arlington texas in the twc dallas market

I was just posting how they are getting a ton of HD via SDV on their motorola system. And to add that TWC signed a contract for the new channel.

add lincoln nebraska as a system that is getting Gospel music channel HD

http://www.timewarnercable.com/Nebraska/support/policies/channelchange.html

also I would like to start a list of each systems bandwidth so that everyone can tell how much room is left on their system for adds.

AL
dothan 750MHz
Enterprise 870MHz

AZ
YUMA 870MHz SDV

CA
San Diego 750MHz SDV
Carlsbad 870MHz SDV soon
El Centro 750MHz
Desert cities 750MHz SDV
LA 750MHz,870MHz,and 1GHz Some SDV
Barstow 550MHz SDV

CO
Telluride 550MHz
Gunnison 550MHz

HI
Hawaii 750MHz SDV

ID
Moscow 870MHz
Coeur D Alene 750MHz

IN
Shawneetown 750MHz
Madison 750MHz
Terre Haute 870MHz SA/motorola system overlay

KS
Kansas City 750MHz SDV

KY
Owensboro 750MHz
Dixon/Clay 450MHz
Ashland 870MHz SDV
Central KY 870MHz SDV

ME
all of maine except lincoln 750MHz SDV
lincoln 550MHz

MA
Berkshires 550MHz
Athol 550MHz
Pittspfield 750MHz
north adams 1GHz SDV

MO
Kansas city 750MHz SDV

NE
nebraska 870MHz SDV

NH
Plymouth 750MHz SDV
Berlin 750MHz
Littleton 750MHz SDV
Conway 750MHz SDV
Keene 750MHz

NJ
NJ 870MHz

NY
Albany divis. 750MHz SDV
Rochester divis. 870MHz SDV
Buffalo divis. 750MHz SDV
CNY 750MHz SDV
utica 1GHz SDV
NYC 870MHz SDV soon
Hudson Valley 870MHz SDV

NC
Charlotte 750MHz SDV
Statesville 870MHz SDV
Raleigh 750MHz SDV
Greensboro 750MHz SDV
Fayetteville 750MHz SDV
Durham 750MHz SDV
Wilmington 750MHz SDV

OH
Cinci 750MHz SDV
NEO 750/870MHz SDV
Dayton 750MHz SDV
Ironton 870MHz SDV
Columbus 750MHz SDV

PA
Erie 750MHz SDV
Erie Suburban 870MHz SDV
Franklin 550MHz
Corry 750MHz SDV

SC
most of SC 750MHz SDV
hilton head 870MHz SDV
cheraw 870MHz SDV

TX
Dallas 870MHz SDV soon
Austin 750MHz SDV
San Antonio 750MHz SDV
El paso 750MHz SDV
Golden triangle 870MHz
Laredo 870MHz
Rio Grande Valley 870MHz
Kerrville 870MHz
Columbus 550MHz
Yokum 550MHz
Wichita Falls 750MHz
Greenville 750MHz (SDV soon ?)
Eagle pass 550MHz
uvalde 870MHz
Corpus Christi 870MHz

VA
Tazwell 550MHz
Keene Mountain 550MHz

WA
pullman 870MHz

WI
Greenbay 750MHz SDV
Milwaukee 750MHz SDV

WV
Clarksburg 870MHz SA/motorola overlay system

all of these were gathered by obersvation analog channel slots and the FCC

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/csb/coals/index.html

on this page type community name and search for annual report and select it and go to page 2 and you will have info listed above.

add lincoln nebraska as a system that is getting Gospel music channel HD

http://www.timewarnercable.com/Nebraska/support/policies/channelchange.html

also I would like to start a list of each systems bandwidth so that everyone can tell how much room is left on their system for adds.

Hmmmm, VERY interesting. Looks like there are a LOT of locations that have the same overall bandwidth that I have (NYC).

TWC Milwaukee Wisconsin:

Here is a list of new and coming soon HD channels. We should be between 70-80 HD stations by the end of the year: (including all below.)

TCM-HD-Added
Headline News-HD-Added
Cartoon Network-HD-Added
Disney XD-HD-Added
ESPN U-HD
BBC America-HD-Added
E!-HD
AMC-HD-Added
Outdoor Channel-HD
Fox Business-HD
Game HD
Team HD
NBA HD
NHL HD
ESPN U HD
Outdoor Channel HD
E! HD
Style HD
Weather Channel HD
Planet Green HD
WE HD
MSNBC HD
G4HD
IFC HD
TV One HD
Fuse HD
CBS C HD
Tennis HD
QVC HD
TMC HD
Encore HD
HBO2 HD
HBO Family HD
Sho2 HD
Showtime HD On Demand
More MAX HD
Action Max HD

Jack

TWC Milwaukee Wisconsin:
Here is a list of new and coming soon HD channels.
...
IFC HD
...
Jack

(sorry if not exactly on topic): I have to agree with Riverside_Guy's post from a while ago - IFC HD is a big disappointment; I had it since 11/23, and sampled it several times a day. There was a grand total of two movies that appeared to be true HD; the rest (probably ~30) were stretched SD. I tried contacting IFC to see if the information of whether a particular movie is actually HD or not is available anywhere, and it does not seem to be. Anybody knows anything more?

(sorry if not exactly on topic): I have to agree with Riverside_Guy's post from a while ago - IFC HD is a big disappointment; I had it since 11/23, and sampled it several times a day. There was a grand total of two movies that appeared to be true HD; the rest (probably ~30) were stretched SD. I tried contacting IFC to see if the information of whether a particular movie is actually HD or not is available anywhere, and it does not seem to be. Anybody knows anything more?

Thanks for that info!

I don't get the Movie Lover Package, of which that channel is a part of in my division. IFC-HD should be more like TCM-HD, which always shows their movies in the exact aspect ratio that they intended.

Jack

I'm soon to receive several more HD channels from TWC. However, I notice that TWC still lacks Comedy Central. While I don't care yet, I'm hoping they'll add it before June because I can't be the only one who wants to see the new Futurama episodes in HD.

I'm soon to receive several more HD channels from TWC. However, I notice that TWC still lacks Comedy Central. While I don't care yet, I'm hoping they'll add it before June because I can't be the only one who wants to see the new Futurama episodes in HD.

We're all still waiting for all of the Viacom-owned HD channels.

With the new boxes I was hoping or the ability to remove/sort channels, I don't care for the SD versions of the channels on my guide, it just takes up space. If they will be adding more HD channels, it will complete the line up, they should just get rid of or at least have ability to get rid of SD version of the channels on the guide

(sorry if not exactly on topic): I have to agree with Riverside_Guy's post from a while ago - IFC HD is a big disappointment; I had it since 11/23, and sampled it several times a day. There was a grand total of two movies that appeared to be true HD; the rest (probably ~30) were stretched SD. I tried contacting IFC to see if the information of whether a particular movie is actually HD or not is available anywhere, and it does not seem to be. Anybody knows anything more?

Did you notice they were not linear stretch, but non-linear?

I had recorded the History channel's Woodstock documentary only to find it stretched... AND letterboxed! BUT, I at least have the option to have my TV force it into 4:3. No more distortion but because they were attempting the widescreen look, I ended up with black bars on all 4 sides (windowboxed).

The irony is that if I was watching live, I COULD have gone to the SD channel and did a zoom to have it filling my screen, without any distortion.

I dare say every TV has the same capabilities as mine, so linear stretch CAN be dealt with. BUT on channels like IFC HD, you end up with heads to the side that are STILL distorted fat, while heads in the middle being distorted skinny.

If I was an indie filmmaker, I would 100% refuse to allow IFC to ever show my work. I am a little surprised we haven't heard any howls from filmmakers...

With the new boxes I was hoping or the ability to remove/sort channels, I don't care for the SD versions of the channels on my guide, it just takes up space. Moto DCT/DCH/DCX box?

Why not just set up a "Favorites" list (i.e. "heart" icon) that only has the channels you care to look at... and specifically the HD versions when SD/HD exist?

Why use "GUIDE" at all, which forces you to browse through hundreds of channels you're not interested in or may not even subscribe to?

TWC Milwaukee Wisconsin:

Here is a list of new and coming soon HD channels. We should be between 70-80 HD stations by the end of the year: (including all below.)

TCM-HD-Added
Headline News-HD-Added
Cartoon Network-HD-Added
Disney XD-HD-Added
ESPN U-HD
BBC America-HD-Added
E!-HD
AMC-HD-Added
Outdoor Channel-HD-Added
Fox Business-HD-Added
Game HD -Added
Team HD-Added
NBA HD-Added
NHL HD-Added
ESPN U H-AddedD
Outdoor Channel HD-Added
E! HD-Added
Style HD-Added
Weather Channel HD-Added
Planet Green HD-Added
WE HD-Added
MSNBC HD-Added
G4HD-Added
IFC HD-Added
TV One HD-Added
Fuse HD-Added
CBS C HD
Tennis HD
QVC HD
TMC HD
Encore HD
HBO2 HD
HBO Family HD
Sho2 HD
Showtime HD On Demand
More MAX HD
Action Max HD

Jack

Several of them were added yesterday. This is what's left:

CBS C HD
Tennis HD
QVC HD
TMC HD
Encore HD
HBO2 HD
HBO Family HD
Sho2 HD
Showtime HD On Demand
More MAX HD
Action Max HD

Jack

Moto DCT/DCH/DCX box?

Why not just set up a "Favorites" list (i.e. "heart" icon) that only has the channels you care to look at... and specifically the HD versions when SD/HD exist?

Why use "GUIDE" at all, which forces you to browse through hundreds of channels you're not interested in or may not even subscribe to?

Let me try that.
I use guide or directional pad buttons to check what else is on... Because the tuning of the new samsung box (in my sig) is slow.

Let me try that.
I use guide or directional pad buttons to check what else is on... Because the tuning of the new samsung box (in my sig) is slow.Oops... just saw that you had SA (and/or now just Samsung?) equipment. I don't actually know how "favorites" works on those SA/Samsung boxes and was thinking only the Moto DCX3400 (which is the equipment provided in my TWC/LA area) when you mentioned "new boxes".

For Moto boxes (iGuide software) the "Favorites" function is exactly what you're looking for... specifying ONLY the channels you want to see in the displayed Guide-subset.

With the new boxes I was hoping or the ability to remove/sort channels, I don't care for the SD versions of the channels on my guide, it just takes up space. If they will be adding more HD channels, it will complete the line up, they should just get rid of or at least have ability to get rid of SD version of the channels on the guide

With ODN 3.1.3_2 you should be able to add set your HDs (all of them or just your favorite subset) as favorites and then activate the Sort by Favorites option for the guide... 99% of the time you will only see your HD favorites in the guide that way.

With ODN 3.1.3_2 you should be able to add set your HDs (all of them or just your favorite subset) as favorites and then activate the Sort by Favorites option for the guide... 99% of the time you will only see your HD favorites in the guide that way.

With the MDN version on a 8300HD 2.4.6-19 the favorites is now broken so even if you select your fav it will still show all the ch and not sort by fav as it use to do.

Roy

If I was an indie filmmaker, I would 100% refuse to allow IFC to ever show my work. I am a little surprised we haven't heard any howls from filmmakers...

That's because most "indie" filmmakers don't care that much. As long as it gets seen at a film festival by major players, their starting output is just a rung on the ladder to directing a summer blockbuster with big explosions and giant monsters.

The only ones who would care are the established directors who still have some artistic leanings and the power to dictate how their work is presented.

DSperber, yes only Samsung box now.

With ODN 3.1.3_2 you should be able to add set your HDs (all of them or just your favorite subset) as favorites and then activate the Sort by Favorites option for the guide... 99% of the time you will only see your HD favorites in the guide that way.

Thanks for the info, I will check that first thing I get back home.

Did you notice they were not linear stretch, but non-linear?

I had recorded the History channel's Woodstock documentary only to find it stretched... AND letterboxed! BUT, I at least have the option to have my TV force it into 4:3. No more distortion but because they were attempting the widescreen look, I ended up with black bars on all 4 sides (windowboxed).

The irony is that if I was watching live, I COULD have gone to the SD channel and did a zoom to have it filling my screen, without any distortion.

I dare say every TV has the same capabilities as mine, so linear stretch CAN be dealt with. BUT on channels like IFC HD, you end up with heads to the side that are STILL distorted fat, while heads in the middle being distorted skinny.

If I was an indie filmmaker, I would 100% refuse to allow IFC to ever show my work. I am a little surprised we haven't heard any howls from filmmakers...

Yeah, it just looks terrible, with pronounced motion artifacts, bad color, etc., not just stretching. I never tried to de-stretch it, because if it looked bad I normally did not care to see it; if I was desperate to see it, I'd watch their SD channel.
The two actual HD movies did look good, though, especially Hero.

Indie filmmakers typically have very little clout, and they are happy to get their film shown anywhere, anyhow.

Okay, I was wrong about getting A&E and HISTORY channels in HD. I was going thru the guide last night, clicked on them, and got a message to call a 1-800 number to request access.

Here is the listing of HD channels for El Paso, TX:

806 HD Showcase on Demand (repeats of recent TV shows, but not a great selection).
840 HD Movies on Demand (pay per view)
860 KTCM (NBC)
865 KDBC (CBS)
870 KFOX (FOX)
875 KVIA (ABC)
876 KVIA2 (CW)
880 KCOS (PBS)
890 DISCOVERY
893 TNT
894 FOX SPORTS SOUTHWEST (off-air a lot)
895 ESPN
896 ESPN 2
897 SMITHSONIAN
898 MGM
901 UNIVERSAL
909 MAVTV
706/714 HBO EAST & WEST
736/745 SHOWTIME EAST & WEST
973 ADULT PAY PER VIEW (mostly off-air)
974 ADULT PAY PER VIEW 2 (mostly off-air)

Not a very good selection. The main networks I can get OTA. So the HD channels I use mostly are HBO, SHOWTIME, MGM, TNT once in a while, and UNIVERSAL once in a while.

I have requested more several times. Just get ignored. Too many people around here are too poor or use satellite. I don't want satellite because I hate locking myself into service contracts.

Hurray!!! TWC in El Paso just added 28 HD channels. Too bad I don't watch most of them. Channels just added are:

Palladia
ABC Family
Disney
HGTV
Food
Travel
TLC
Discovery
Animal Planet
National Geographic
History
Discovery Science
ESPN News
FSN
Golf
Versus
MLB
CNN
MSNBC
CNBC
Fox News
Weather
USA
TBS
Hallmark
SyFy
Bravo
A&E

Now I just wish they would notify us or keep the website updated when channels are added. I only found these by scrolling thru the guide yesterday. I bet most people here don't even know they were added, especially since they are SDV and don't show up except when using the cable box.

Indie filmmakers typically have very little clout, and they are happy to get their film shown anywhere, anyhow.

While I certainly realize that, I do know some filmmakers... and they WOULD be very aghast... they seriously care about how their films are shown. I'm not even a fan of what some do to their films (one goes for a way over the top garish look) but they generally stick to their guns... then again, they are kind of NYC creatures as well...

Hurray!!! TWC in El Paso just added 28 HD channels. Too bad I don't watch most of them.

That's a good collection, congrats. Keep an eye on Palladia, they have some really terrific stuff going on. Yeah, they do repeat a LOT, but so far the average commercial time is way lower than the typical 15 per hour. Not to mention, but it's ALL music, no reality shows or any of that crap.

Hurray!!! TWC in El Paso just added 28 HD channels. Too bad I don't watch most of them. Channels just added are:

Palladia
ABC Family
Disney
HGTV
Food
Travel
TLC
Discovery
Animal Planet
National Geographic
History
Discovery Science
ESPN News
FSN
Golf
Versus
MLB
CNN
MSNBC
CNBC
Fox News
Weather
USA
TBS
Hallmark
SyFy
Bravo
A&E

Now I just wish they would notify us or keep the website updated when channels are added. I only found these by scrolling thru the guide yesterday. I bet most people here don't even know they were added, especially since they are SDV and don't show up except when using the cable box.

TWC Dallas has most of those we are getting USA, SYFY,BRAVO,and CNBC on the 17th.

We still will not have

palladia
MSNBC
MLB

but we do have that you dont

DXD HD
BIO HD
ESPNU HD
CBS COLLEGE SPORTS HD
FX HD
STARZ HD
CINEMAX HD
SPEED HD
PLANET GREEN HD

also we dont have SDV yet it is announced but wont start until they get Iguide A28 1QTR 2010

we also have 5 analogs moving to digital on the 17th

Abc Family
CMT
Oxygen
Style
truTV

we also are 870MHz with 80 analogs(75 dec 17)

we have the DCX3200 and DCX3400 out in the field now.

TWC NYC is launching GAME 2 HD next month.

While I certainly realize that, I do know some filmmakers... and they WOULD be very aghast... they seriously care about how their films are shown. I'm not even a fan of what some do to their films (one goes for a way over the top garish look) but they generally stick to their guns... then again, they are kind of NYC creatures as well...

Maybe this is an overgeneralization, but my guess is that most people who like independent movies would know to watch them on the SD channel, rather than suffer through stretch-o-vision.

Maybe this is an overgeneralization, but my guess is that most people who like independent movies would know to watch them on the SD channel, rather than suffer through stretch-o-vision.

Which brings up the question... Why bother wasting bandwidth for IFC-HD in the first place?

Which brings up the question... Why bother wasting bandwidth for IFC-HD in the first place?

Another HD channel worth questioning is RFD. It is on the HD lineup, but I have yet to find someone who has ever seen anything on it in HD.

Which brings up the question... Why bother wasting bandwidth for IFC-HD in the first place?

I guess because of that ~5% of movies that actually are in HD. And, hopefully, they will increase that pitiful percentage.
But, yes, it is ridiculous to waste bandwidth on a film that looks worse than on the corresponding SD channel. If they don't have money to convert everything directly to HD like HDNet Movies does, they should at least learn from TCM HD: they always show films in OAR and their upconverts, while not as sharp as HD, are decent and usually noticeably better than the SD version; especially their widescreen movies are way better than zoomed in SD versions.

I guess because of that ~5% of movies that actually are in HD. And, hopefully, they will increase that pitiful percentage.
But, yes, it is ridiculous to waste bandwidth on a film that looks worse than on the corresponding SD channel. If they don't have money to convert everything directly to HD like HDNet Movies does, they should at least learn from TCM HD: they always show films in OAR and their upconverts, while not as sharp as HD, are decent and usually noticeably better than the SD version; especially their widescreen movies are way better than zoomed in SD versions.

I think a big part of the issue is that there are (way too) MANY folks who actually prefer their fare to arrive distorted... gotta fill the screen!

Before ,my market got a good load of HD channels, I LIKED seeing letterboxed SD... yes, I used zoom on those. Yes, there was a small bit of cut-off involved, but I never felt it ruined the image. If a channel for whatever reason does not want to acquire a HD version, it SHOULD do a "studio" upconvert/zoom whatever you want to call it and display it that way. It will fill the screen, so those folks are satisfied, it will be OAR and non-distorted which would be acceptable to the purists/geeks.

Consequently, I just do NOT get WHY they stretch or even worse, do a non-linear stretch.

I think a big part of the issue is that there are (way too) MANY folks who actually prefer their fare to arrive distorted... gotta fill the screen!You've hit the nail on the head. We all have our own personal preferences, and sometimes when we hang out with like-minded people quite a lot, we forget about all the other folks, who also have their own impact on how services are provided in the marketplace.

Consequently, I just do NOT get WHY they stretch or even worse, do a non-linear stretch.Your confusion is puzzling, given that you answered your question earlier in your own message.

I have never really understood why the 16:9 image of Seinfeld looks so good despite the 4:3 origin. I know they had a tiny margin on the sides of the film that they could add to the picture, but that doesn't seem like enough to make it undistorted at full screen. Thank goodness they were able to do it, because this is a show for the ages. Now, if they could only do it to MASH and All In The Family we would have several classics that look like real HD.

Your confusion is puzzling, given that you answered your question earlier in your own message.

Because in many cases (not all), there IS an alternative. Almost every SD show I have watched was letterboxed... not to mention a History chnnael show that was widescreen, stretched. Could have been upconverted/zoomed and displayed AS widescreen, filling the screen.

I have never really understood why the 16:9 image of Seinfeld looks so good despite the 4:3 origin. I know they had a tiny margin on the sides of the film that they could add to the picture, but that doesn't seem like enough to make it undistorted at full screen. Thank goodness they were able to do it, because this is a show for the ages. Now, if they could only do it to MASH and All In The Family we would have several classics that look like real HD.That's because it was shot on film which despite the vertical cropping still has enough resolution to be HD when re-scanned.
MASH could be presented that way, but All In the Family being originally shot on videotape can never be improved.

Because in many cases (not all), there IS an alternative.There really isn't an alternative to the ramification of ...there are (way too) MANY folks who actually prefer their fare to arrive distorted... gotta fill the screen!:(

Several of them were added yesterday. This is what's left:

CBS C HD
Tennis HD
QVC HD
TMC HD
Encore HD
HBO2 HD
HBO Family HD
Sho2 HD
Showtime HD On Demand
More MAX HD
Action Max HD

Jack

We don't have FUSE HD in Milwaukee, Jack.:rolleyes:

I wanted to say goodbye to all I have gone to Direct TV, it has been nice chatting with everyone throughout the years.

Desert Cities thinks reporting TWC to the FCC will stop them from reclaiming analogs but they've already reminded customers that this is going to happen so they don't have much choice. TWC is giving analog only customers in this area a free SD box for 1 year.

http://www.mydesert.com/article/20091206/BUSINESS/912050375/-1/newsfront/Time-Warner-changes-more-than-lineup

We don't have FUSE HD in Milwaukee, Jack.:rolleyes:

Oh yea, my mistake. I think Fuse HD is coming, but we don't have it yet.

Jack

There really isn't an alternative to the ramification of ...: (STRETCHING)(

Uh,yes there is. Linear stretch can be "fixed" by using the TV's 4:3 mode... that SHOULD put everything from the cable box into 4:3. Know this works fine on Samsuing & Sony's not positive about other brands.

Desert Cities thinks reporting TWC to the FCC will stop them from reclaiming analogs but they've already reminded customers that this is going to happen so they don't have much choice. TWC is giving analog only customers in this area a free SD box for 1 year.

http://www.mydesert.com/article/20091206/BUSINESS/912050375/-1/newsfront/Time-Warner-changes-more-than-lineup

I don't see anything in that article about reporting TWC to the FCC. Are you referring to one of the commenters below the article?

ESPNU HD 782
AMC HD 776
QVC HD TBA
TMC HD 664
Tennis Channel HD 794
NBA TV HD 795
MSNBC HD 750
Disney XD HD 773
IFC HD 516
truTV HD 739
WGN America HD 716

The new channels that TWC San Diego is going to add on 12.11.09. On 12.9 they'll reclaim about 10 analogs to make room for these new channels.

Edit: HD Movies OD is on CH. 25. Rather than moving that channel QVC HD will move to another channel until further notice. 716 is up but no audio and video. It's also not in the guide.

ESPNU HD 782
AMC HD 776
QVC HD 725
TMC HD 664
Tennis Channel HD 794
NBA TV HD 795
MSNBC HD 750
Disney XD HD 773
IFC HD 516
truTV HD 739
WGN America HD 716

The new channels that TWC San Diego is going to add on 12.11.09. On 12.9 they'll reclaim about 10 analogs to make room for these new channels.Time Warner Desert Cities will be adding that same list of new channels.

Not my preferred list of channels to add, except for WGN (I assume that means that we'll get Cubs/White Sox games in HD now).

For example, how about KCAL HD (Dodgers/Lakers—neither of which team I like—go Padres!, go anybody but Lakers!—but, what the hey, it's still games in HD)?

And I'm hoping they'll add Padres 4SD HD this coming March.

TWC in Mid-Ohio is adding the following HD channels on December 14th.

IFC HD Channel
TMC HD Channel
Encore HD Channel
HBO 2 HD Channel
HBO Family HD Channel
Showtime HD On Demand Channel
Showtime Too HD Channel
NBA TV HD Channel
NHL Network HD Channel
CBS College Sports HD Channel
Tennis Channel HD Channel
HSN HD Channel
QVC HD Channel
Fuse HD Channel

Our list of channels has suddenly become pretty impressive.

ESPNU HD 782
AMC HD 776
QVC HD 725
TMC HD 664
Tennis Channel HD 794
NBA TV HD 795
MSNBC HD 750
Disney XD HD 773
IFC HD 516
truTV HD 739
WGN America HD 716

The new channels that TWC San Diego is going to add on 12.11.09. On 12.9 they'll reclaim about 10 analogs to make room for these new channels.
Good, which means the few programs that I now record in SD I can now move to the HD channel version! :D

For those of you who have been getting new HD channels recently and they are SDV channels, are you having problems with them freezing?

I tried to record on USA HD and SyFy HD Friday night and both froze up. I tried recording SyFy HD a couple of times on Sunday and again last night and it kept freezing. I was watching last night while recording when it froze and it took about 5 minutes to get the moving picture going again. Then a second show I set to record didn't.

Just wondering if this problem is unique to El Paso.

ESPNU HD 782
AMC HD 776
QVC HD 725
TMC HD 664
Tennis Channel HD 794
NBA TV HD 795
MSNBC HD 750
Disney XD HD 773
IFC HD 516
truTV HD 739
WGN America HD 716

The new channels that TWC San Diego is going to add on 12.11.09. On 12.9 they'll reclaim about 10 analogs to make room for these new channels.

Here's a link to the official announcement: http://www.timewarnercable.com/SanDiego/learn/programming/nofeehd.html

next round of changes for the charlotte area

December 16, 2009: The following channels will be added:

NBA TV HD - Channel 729 (Sports Tier & Digital Tier)
HD Movies On Demand Titles in the Guide - Channels 765-771 (On Demand)


NBA TV will be available in the Digital Tier in addition to the Sports Tier where it is currently available. Sundance channels will be available with the Digital Tier in addition to the current TMC Premium Tier availability.



December 30, 2009: The following channels will be added:

History International HD - Channel 637 (Digital Basic Tier)
RFD HD - Channel 786 (HD Premium Tier)
Showtime Showcase HD - Channel 890 (requires subscription to Showtime)
Showtime Extreme HD - Channel 891 (requires subscription to Showtime)
MoreMax HD - Channel 882 (requires subscription to Cinemax)
ThrillerMax HD - Channel 884 (requires subscription to Cinemax)
Blue Highways - Channel 366 (Digital Basic Tier)

I found the Yule Log on my HD Movies VOD and it's Free! It's about 47 minutes if you like that sort of thing.

I wanted to say goodbye to all I have gone to Direct TV, it has been nice chatting with everyone throughout the years.

Why are you leaving?

TWC in Mid-Ohio is adding the following HD channels on December 14th.

IFC HD Channel
TMC HD Channel
Encore HD Channel
HBO 2 HD Channel
HBO Family HD Channel
Showtime HD On Demand Channel
Showtime Too HD Channel
NHL Network HD Channel
CBS College Sports HD Channel
Tennis Channel HD Channel
HSN HD Channel
QVC HD Channel
Fuse HD Channel

Our list of channels has suddenly become pretty impressive.

Well hopefully those will come south because we would have over 82 if we got that many. I think they sort of start up on NEO and head on down. So maybe next month or sometime next year we'll get these in SWO. I really would like more premiums in HD because I subscribe to all of them.

Here's a link to the official announcement: http://www.timewarnercable.com/SanDiego/learn/programming/nofeehd.html

Time Warner North San Diego County is getting as of Friday, December 11th:

ABC Family HD-ch. 735 (expanded basic)

Bio HD-ch. 719 (choice pack)

Bravo HD-ch. 740 (expanded basic)

CBS College Sports HD-ch. 790 (sports pack)

CNBC HD-ch. 749 (expanded basic)

E! HD-ch. 748 (expanded basic)

Encore HD-ch. 499 (premium/when subscribing to Encore standard definition)

ESPNEWS HD-ch. 788 (variety pack or sports pack)

FOX Business Network HD-ch. 778 (variety pack)

Hallmark Movie Channel HD-ch. 781 (variety pack).

We still have a long ways to catchup to you guys down south! (in San Diego that is)

For those of you who have been getting new HD channels recently and they are SDV channels, are you having problems with them freezing?

I tried to record on USA HD and SyFy HD Friday night and both froze up. I tried recording SyFy HD a couple of times on Sunday and again last night and it kept freezing. I was watching last night while recording when it froze and it took about 5 minutes to get the moving picture going again. Then a second show I set to record didn't.

Just wondering if this problem is unique to El Paso.

Hoping it was just a problem here. Last night I was able to record without any problems. Will have to try a few more times before I am satisfied. Luckily, there aren't any new episodes of the shows I watch until January. That gives me and TWC some time to get things working properly.

I was pretty disapointed when time warner dropped fear.net.

For those of you who have been getting new HD channels recently and they are SDV channels, are you having problems with them freezing?

I tried to record on USA HD and SyFy HD Friday night and both froze up. I tried recording SyFy HD a couple of times on Sunday and again last night and it kept freezing. I was watching last night while recording when it froze and it took about 5 minutes to get the moving picture going again. Then a second show I set to record didn't.

Just wondering if this problem is unique to El Paso.Assume a cold boot didn't help. That often fixes freeze-type glitches.

Wonder if your diagnostic mode shows all those channels are delivered with switched-digital video (SDV). Applications of SDV must vary locally, but AIUI it's typically used for seldom-watched channels just to free up bandwidth. Some white papers on SDV point out why it's important to use SDV for the less-watched channels. -- John

HD Movies VOD will move to CH. 721 in San Diego.

Assume a cold boot didn't help. That often fixes freeze-type glitches.

Wonder if your diagnostic mode shows all those channels are delivered with switched-digital video (SDV). Applications of SDV must vary locally, but AIUI it's typically used for seldom-watched channels just to free up bandwidth. Some white papers on SDV point out why it's important to use SDV for the less-watched channels. -- John

Diagnostics show they are SDV--I checked when they first showed up last week. But if I am watching or recording, the show shouldn't get bumped, thus locking up on the last frame showed, even if I am the only one connected to that channel.

When I was watching and it froze up, I first tried changing the channel, then going into the guide, then going into set-up hitting anything there, then gave up and turned the box off. When I turned it back on, everything worked again for a while before freezing up again.

I was finally able to get a whole 2 hour recording without a freeze. I'll be messing with it this weekend to see if it freezes up again or if everything is working fine now.

AMC HD 480, WE HD 486, E! HD 487, History International HD 455, IFC HD 480, Fuse HD 494, MSNBC HD 446, HLN HD 447, CBS College Sports HD 474, NBA TV HD 472, Outdoor Channel HD 499, G4 HD 495, TV One HD 498, Investigation Discovery HD 449, BBC America HD 448, WGN America HD 458, TCM HD 478, Style HD 488,

HSN HD 489 and QVC HD 490 will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel in Artesia, Bell & Cudahy, Carson, Claremont, Compton, Athens, East Compton, Florence, Willowbrook, Corona, Covina, Pomona, California Oaks, Canyon Lake, Corona, El Cerrito, Glenn Ivy, Horsethief Canyon, Lake Elsinore, Menifee, Murrieta, Murrieta Hot Springs, Riverside County, The Farm, Wild Rose, Costa Mesa, Cypress & La Palma, Harbor, Lomita, Harbor City, San Pedro, Wilmington, Hawaiian Gardens, Bell Gardens, Bellflower, Downey, La Mirada, Lynwood, Maywood, Paramount, Santa Fe Springs, Hollywood, Westchester: Baldwin Hills, Culver City, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Ladera Heights, Lennox, Playa del Rey, Playa Vista, Westchester, West LA, Westside, Westwood, Wilshire, Windsor Hills, Homeland, Romoland, Inglewood, Lakewood, South El Monte, Santa Clarita, Tujunga, North Valley: Castaic, Kagel Canyon, Newhall, Saugus, Valencia, Sunland, Sylmar, South Los Angeles and Tustin.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/SoCal/learn/programming/local/alerts.html

* No G4 HD 495, showed up

AMC HD 480, WE HD 486, E! HD 487, History International HD 455, IFC HD 480, Fuse HD 494, MSNBC HD 446, HLN HD 447, CBS College Sports HD 474, NBA TV HD 472, Outdoor Channel HD 499, G4 HD 495, TV One HD 498, Investigation Discovery HD 449, BBC America HD 448, WGN America HD 458, TCM HD 478, Style HD 488,

HSN HD 489 and QVC HD 490 will be launched on the same service level as the standard definition version of each respective channel in Artesia, Bell & Cudahy, Carson, Claremont, Compton, Athens, East Compton, Florence, Willowbrook, Corona, Covina, Pomona, California Oaks, Canyon Lake, Corona, El Cerrito, Glenn Ivy, Horsethief Canyon, Lake Elsinore, Menifee, Murrieta, Murrieta Hot Springs, Riverside County, The Farm, Wild Rose, Costa Mesa, Cypress & La Palma, Harbor, Lomita, Harbor City, San Pedro, Wilmington, Hawaiian Gardens, Bell Gardens, Bellflower, Downey, La Mirada, Lynwood, Maywood, Paramount, Santa Fe Springs, Hollywood, Westchester: Baldwin Hills, Culver City, Hollywood, Hawthorne, Ladera Heights, Lennox, Playa del Rey, Playa Vista, Westchester, West LA, Westside, Westwood, Wilshire, Windsor Hills, Homeland, Romoland, Inglewood, Lakewood, South El Monte, Santa Clarita, Tujunga, North Valley: Castaic, Kagel Canyon, Newhall, Saugus, Valencia, Sunland, Sylmar, South Los Angeles and Tustin.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/SoCal/learn/programming/local/alerts.html
I like to point out that those cities are the former Comcast areas and already have about 90 HD channels. The TWC legacy and former Adelphia areas just received some of those HD channels: Speed HD, ESPNU HD, AMC HD, E! HD, History International HD, IFC HD, Fuse HD, MSNBC HD, HLN HD, CBS College Sports HD and NBA TV HD and now have 66 HD channels total.

BTW this is TWC SoCal infos.

ESPNU HD 782
AMC HD 776
QVC HD 725
TMC HD 664
Tennis Channel HD 794
NBA TV HD 795
MSNBC HD 750
Disney XD HD 773
IFC HD 516
truTV HD 739
WGN America HD 716

HD Movies OD will move to 721

These channels are now live as of now. TWC San Diego just added them and they are in the guide.

For those of you who have been getting new HD channels recently and they are SDV channels, are you having problems with them freezing?

I tried to record on USA HD and SyFy HD Friday night and both froze up. I tried recording SyFy HD a couple of times on Sunday and again last night and it kept freezing. I was watching last night while recording when it froze and it took about 5 minutes to get the moving picture going again. Then a second show I set to record didn't.

Just wondering if this problem is unique to El Paso.

I've noticed this for a bit and not just for 'new' HD channels but not for recording.

I'll be watching an HD channel live and it will just freeze. I can 'unfreeze' it by switching the channel down or up then back to the original channel.

It happens infrequently, but it has happened to me several times.

Erik,
TWC San Diego, SA-8300HDC/hdmi

Erik,

Apparently the CBS issue is actually due to a crappy encoder. KFMB has had issues with their Tiernan encoder when it comes to fast motion sports. They did try some different encoders which work but they keep using the Tiernan one. They need to get rid of the Tiernan and switch to another one.

Had to send back my new Samsung 50" today due to buzzing. It's like torture going back to a 34" screen. I'm bummed out we're not getting BBC-HD (former Adelphia area.)

What tier is IFC-HD on? I have two extra tiers at $5 each but I don't get IFC.

Erik,

Apparently the CBS issue is actually due to a crappy encoder. KFMB has had issues with their Tiernan encoder when it comes to fast motion sports. They did try some different encoders which work but they keep using the Tiernan one. They need to get rid of the Tiernan and switch to another one.

I appreciate the continued stream of information.

Whatever the situation, KFMB-HD via TWC-SD, is still the worst of all the HD channels when it comes to macroblocking -even for commercials, news, but worst of all for sporting events.

It ain't my rig, cuz if I switch to a different station I don't see nearly the level of macroblocking. And if I put in a BD on my Oppo-83 - I get glorious sharp and clear HD like it is supposed to be.

It's not even a CBS issue as it is a KFMB issue. When KFMB used the Motorola encoder a couple of months ago, it looked adequate, and when they used the Grass Valley encoder, the pq was fantastic. I don't know why KFMB is still using the Tiernan HD encoder.

TWC Reached an Agreement With Viacom For More HD Stations

TWC Milwaukee should be getting these stations around January:

These are the channels listed under "New Services cannot be accessed without a Cable Card...." on the website.

But look at what else may be coming!!!!!

MTV HD, Comedy Central HD, Spike HD, BET HD, Nickelodeon HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD.

Comedy Central HD and Spike HD!!!!!!!

Maybe by or before January I would guess!!!!

Jack

TWC NEO added

NBA TV HD
CBS College Sports HD
NHL Network HD
Tennis Channel HD

Coming December 15th
Showtime Too HD
The Movie Channel HD
Encore HD
IFC HD
Fuse HD

TWC NEO added

NBA TV HD
CBS College Sports HD
NHL Network HD
Tennis Channel HD

Coming December 15th
Showtime Too HD
The Movie Channel HD
Encore HD
IFC HD
Fuse HD

shooter,

Are you sure about CBS College Sports TV, and it is not CSTV, which would be found in the Sports Digital Tier, and not the Digital Basic Tier, like CBS College Sports?

My guide data updated and instead of saying CSTV is says CBS College Sports now so they are the same channel

My guide data updated and instead of saying CSTV is says CBS College Sports now so they are the same channel

Thanks. I will go look at mine in a little bit. It has been up there for at least 48 hours, and mine was showing CSTV(It has the orange banner, and when I tried to enter it, it said I needed to call in order to subscribe/watch).

Maybe I will unplug my box and let it reset.

TWC Reached an Agreement With Viacom For More HD Stations

TWC Milwaukee should be getting these stations around January:

These are the channels listed under "New Services cannot be accessed without a Cable Card...." on the website.

But look at what else may be coming!!!!!

MTV HD, Comedy Central HD, Spike HD, BET HD, Nickelodeon HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD.

Comedy Central HD and Spike HD!!!!!!!

Maybe by or before January I would guess!!!!

Jack

hope its true. its about time!!!

TWC NEO added

NBA TV HD
CBS College Sports HD
NHL Network HD
Tennis Channel HD

Coming December 15th
Showtime Too HD
The Movie Channel HD
Encore HD
IFC HD
Fuse HD

TWC Reached an Agreement With Viacom For More HD Stations

TWC Milwaukee should be getting these stations around January:

These are the channels listed under "New Services cannot be accessed without a Cable Card...." on the website.

But look at what else may be coming!!!!!

MTV HD, Comedy Central HD, Spike HD, BET HD, Nickelodeon HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD.

Comedy Central HD and Spike HD!!!!!!!

Maybe by or before January I would guess!!!!

Jack

I hope the Viacom stations are not too far off for NE Ohio along with WGN HD. The December 10 additions had no effect on my lineup at all and the December 15 channels are all useless except for FUSE HD, the only one I look forward to. I did want IFC HD until I read the IFC topic here. The SD channel is good enough if all they do is show SOV movies on the HD channel.

shooter,

Are you sure about CBS College Sports TV, and it is not CSTV, which would be found in the Sports Digital Tier, and not the Digital Basic Tier, like CBS College Sports?

CSTV became CBS College Sports a wile ago... its the same channel.

I hope the Viacom stations are not too far off for NE Ohio along with WGN HD. The December 10 additions had no effect on my lineup at all and the December 15 channels are all useless except for FUSE HD, the only one I look forward to. I did want IFC HD until I read the IFC topic here. The SD channel is good enough if all they do is show SOV movies on the HD channel.

Here is the notice for my area: (Milwaukee WI) Credit to:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/Wisconsin/learn/programming/legalnotices/legalnoticeSE.html

*********************************************************

Time Warner Cable’s agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements, and carriage of programming services is discontinued only in rare circumstances. The following agreements with programmers are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage of one or more of these services in the near future: E!, Style, GAC, Lifetime, Weather channel, Encore channels, TEN, Food Network, Fox Reality, Fox Soccer, Fox Sports Espanol, Fuel, FX, Speed, Retroplex, Starz! channels, TruTV, WFLD.

In addition, from time to time we make certain changes in the services that we offer in order to better serve our customers. The following changes are planned: OnTV4u replaces Jewelry TV on channel 185 on or after 12/27.

Bold emphasis below, mine.

The new services listed below cannot be accessed on CableCARD-equipped Unidirectional Digital Cable Products purchased at retail without additional, two-way capable equipment: Fuse HD, CBS C HD, Tennis HD, QVC HD, TMC HD, Encore HD, HBO2 HD, HBO Family HD, Sho2 HD, Showtime HD On Demand, More MAX HD, Action Max HD, MTV HD, Comedy Central HD, Spike HD, BET HD, Nickelodeon HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD.

Finally, we are currently involved in discussions regarding the services and/or stations listed below. While we cannot guarantee that we will reach agreement with the relevant programmers and/or broadcasters, we are listing these services/ stations here in the event that we are able to start carrying them in the future: Black Shopping.

***************************************************

With these new Viacom channels, plus the HD services that they have been adding, we should be between 75-80 HD channels going into 2010. Not bad!

Jack

TWC Reached an Agreement With Viacom For More HD Stations

TWC Milwaukee should be getting these stations around January:

These are the channels listed under "New Services cannot be accessed without a Cable Card...." on the website.

But look at what else may be coming!!!!!

MTV HD, Comedy Central HD, Spike HD, BET HD, Nickelodeon HD, VH1 HD, CMT HD.

Comedy Central HD and Spike HD!!!!!!!

Maybe by or before January I would guess!!!!

Jack

Wow, certain justification for big price increases!

Wow, certain justification for big price increases!

At least I'm on a two year discount till the end of August, than I call to work out a new reduced rate.

Some good channels there!!!!

Jack

I wish they'd make a deal for the NFL HD channel. Seems like a glaring omission in the TW line-up. Anyone know the reason? They don't even have the SD version so it has to be some kind of rights dispute with satellite or some such anti-competition law or regulation.

General Question About Bandwidth For More Channels and HD Content?

We always hear in the cable industry that the amount of HD channels and really any new stations varying from one community to the next is contingent on equipment age at the head end, system capacity, and especially bandwidth. Switched Digital Video (SDV) allows for additional bandwidth. But how does a cable company add bandwidth to a system when a channel capacity is full?

I heard that as many as 12 Digital Channels could take the place of 1 analog channel. Could you imagine the bandwidth that would be opened up if everything on channel 2-99 for most TWC systems was moved to Digital? However, I understand that this is difficult because local municipalities and community programing vary their content in relation to community. The old folks may not want to shell out $6-$10 a month for a digital box to receive the digital tier. However, like the Digital TV transition, as I read some 80% or more of customers subscribe to a digital package, this problem may be exaggerated. People may actually enjoy the increased channels with Digital Cable.

The issues remain to offer new technology at a reasonable price. How much more bandwidth could be opened up if all channels began at 100?

Jack

I wish they'd make a deal for the NFL HD channel. Seems like a glaring omission in the TW line-up. Anyone know the reason? They don't even have the SD version so it has to be some kind of rights dispute with satellite or some such anti-competition law or regulation.

This is the on-going two year war between TWC and the NFL Network. The conflict remains the same and this is the problem:

TWC COULD add the NFL Network tomorrow, BUT the problem remains that TWC wants to put the channel on their optional Digital Sports Package, where they could get it at a reduced rate. The NFL's position is that not enough people subscribe to the optional Digital Sports Package. The NFL wants the NFL Network to be on either a basic cable package, a standard service package, or the Digital Standard Package (now known as Digital Variety in some markets) where they can reach 80% or more of subscribers who have cable.

It's estimated that only 30% subscribe to the Digital Sports Package, and the NFL Network is insisting that they will NOT be put on any Ala-Carte package, It has to be a MAIN PACKAGE or nothing.

TWC said we will consider putting your station on a main package, BUT your asking price for us to carry the channel is way too high for only eight live season games. Cable companies have to pay residuals for channels even during off season months, and TWC thinks, if they can be successful with NBA TV, Tennis Channel, NHL Hockey on the optional sports package OR provide channels like ML Baseball on Digital Standard at a fair price, the NFL Network is either going to have to lower its asking price for the channel if they want it on Digital Standard OR allow us to carry it on the Optional Sports Package, where we can get it at a reduced rate.

The NFL Network has refused all options for TWC to carry the channel. A recent offering of allowing the games as a PPV per game, with proceeds going to the NFL Network was offered by TWC and rejected by the NFL Network.

TWC, Charter Communications, and Cablevision are three of about five major cable systems locked in the rate and carriage dispute. Comcast and the NFL Network recently struck a deal to allow the channel on their Digital Standard Tier. Maybe The Red Zone Channel will help the NFL Network in future negotiations with TWC and other providers who do not carry the channel.

Jack

I heard that as many as 12 Digital Channels could take the place of 1 analog channel.Specifically, 12 standard-definition digital channels.

Specifically, 12 standard-definition digital channels.

Which means 12*640*480/2*30 = 55296000 pixels/sec. A 720p channel requires 1280*720*30 = 27648000 pixels/sec, which is exactly half. So every crushed analog SD channels frees enough bandwidth for 2 720p channels, or 1/9 fewer 1080i channels (since 1080i takes 1.125x the bandwidth of 720p).

It would be great if the Viacom suite came true as a lot of Bright House customers want it and would give more options for BH to piggyback off of Time Warner on.

I think it will be true because other than premium channels, tru tv, the weather channel channel, lifetime and RFd-TV, ithere is not much more to piggyback on.

One day they will hopefully get NFL Network too.

Another piece of the NFL Channel deals with Sunday Ticket. The NFL will not let that go to cable, they only want it on a dish service. As far as TW is concerned with the above comments about placement,they are not very worried because the "real" NFL fans have already left, have a dish, have Sunday Ticket and the NFL Channel. The only ones left are ones that mostly don't care or do care but cannot have a dish -- like me. If the NFl would let TW and other cable co have Sunday Ticket, TW would put the NFL Netowrk anywhere the NFL wanted.

Another issue is the NFL TV model. They have 16 games every week, few less in bye weeks, but you will only see 5 of them in your viewing area. You never see the other 11 anyway. I live in SC so on any Sunday we will see the Panthers no matter what. The NFL network won't change that only Sunday Ticket will and then we are back to the dish!

This is the on-going two year war between TWC and the NFL Network. The conflict remains the same and this is the problem:

TWC COULD add the NFL Network tomorrow, BUT the problem remains that TWC wants to put the channel on their optional Digital Sports Package, where they could get it at a reduced rate. The NFL's position is that not enough people subscribe to the optional Digital Sports Package. The NFL wants the NFL Network to be on either a basic cable package, a standard service package, or the Digital Standard Package (now known as Digital Variety in some markets) where they can reach 80% or more of subscribers who have cable.

It's estimated that only 30% subscribe to the Digital Sports Package, and the NFL Network is insisting that they will NOT be put on any Ala-Carte package, It has to be a MAIN PACKAGE or nothing.

TWC said we will consider putting your station on a main package, BUT your asking price for us to carry the channel is way too high for only eight live season games. Cable companies have to pay residuals for channels even during off season months, and TWC thinks, if they can be successful with NBA TV, Tennis Channel, NHL Hockey on the optional sports package OR provide channels like ML Baseball on Digital Standard at a fair price, the NFL Network is either going to have to lower its asking price for the channel if they want it on Digital Standard OR allow us to carry it on the Optional Sports Package, where we can get it at a reduced rate.

The NFL Network has refused all options for TWC to carry the channel. A recent offering of allowing the games as a PPV per game, with proceeds going to the NFL Network was offered by TWC and rejected by the NFL Network.

TWC, Charter Communications, and Cablevision are three of about five major cable systems locked in the rate and carriage dispute. Comcast and the NFL Network recently struck a deal to allow the channel on their Digital Standard Tier. Maybe The Red Zone Channel will help the NFL Network in future negotiations with TWC and other providers who do not carry the channel.

Jack

I am completely on the side of the cable providers on this one. 8 games a year, people. That is really all you are missing. And you really are not missing anything.

I had a setup called Dish NOW!, which was Dish's old prepaid setup. It no longer exists and has been replaced by FlexTV which is TERRIBLE IMHO. Anyway, the old prepaid setup allowed you to buy 1 day of programming. So when NFL Network was on Dish 100/200, I used to get it for the 1 day, which came to like $.50 cents for the cost. Then it was worth it.

And none of the games that I watched up to this season were even remotely memorable(OK the Pats-NY Giants game. 1 out of 24. WHOOPDEEDOO!!). The "best"(they sometimes are duds too) games are left for the Networks(CBS/NBC/ESPN/FOX). If they were not, the NFL would NEVER get the money they wanted. And if they would move more important games to this channel, it would be a HUGE!!!!!!!! MISTAKE. There goes your money stream from all the networks.

Unless you like watching repeats of games which I equal too watching repeats of Reality TV. If you know the outcome, what is the point. But to each their own.

ESPN covers the NFL so well(along with the other sports) there is really no need for an NFL Network IMHO. Even MLB Network is kind of a waste. But at least MLB was smart enough to come to a deal with everyone. Except Dish Network.

kjpjr,

Your on the money here.

All the NFL fans who really wanted NFL Network, probably wanted Sunday Ticket too and are already gone.

Why pay them a big price for a seasonal channel with a small amount of games when they screw you screw you over by not offering Sunday Ticket.

Your letting them have their way while paying for something that is overpriced.

I'm with TWC here too.

...or 1/9 fewer 1080i channels ...Just a note: You need to use integer mathematics for this. You cannot fit 1 8/10 channels on a QAM... it's either 1 or 2.

General Question About Bandwidth For More Channels and HD Content?

We always hear in the cable industry that the amount of HD channels and really any new stations varying from one community to the next is contingent on equipment age at the head end, system capacity, and especially bandwidth. Switched Digital Video (SDV) allows for additional bandwidth. But how does a cable company add bandwidth to a system when a channel capacity is full?

I heard that as many as 12 Digital Channels could take the place of 1 analog channel. Could you imagine the bandwidth that would be opened up if everything on channel 2-99 for most TWC systems was moved to Digital? However, I understand that this is difficult because local municipalities and community programing vary their content in relation to community. The old folks may not want to shell out $6-$10 a month for a digital box to receive the digital tier. However, like the Digital TV transition, as I read some 80% or more of customers subscribe to a digital package, this problem may be exaggerated. People may actually enjoy the increased channels with Digital Cable.

The issues remain to offer new technology at a reasonable price. How much more bandwidth could be opened up if all channels began at 100?

Jack

I think it's more like 3 compressed digital's per one analog.

I suspect increased system bandwidth comes with a fiber based distribution system. In NYC, it was a LOT of years ago they replaced all the major trunk lines with fiber. I think it's is fiber to a node, where cooper reaches about 500 households. For me that means down 10 stories, then about 100 plus feet to a node at the top of my street.

I think it's been quite a while from when they actually had additional charges just to get "digital" channels.

This is the on-going two year war between TWC and the NFL Network.

However, the good news is that it appears a home team NFLN game will be seen by the home crowd... bith my home town teams recently did NFLN games and a local channel carried the NFLN broadcast (SD & HD).

Not only that, but there was a LOT of shilling for NFLN on the NFLN broadcast... disproportionately. No way would I ever be forced into paying for this...

Just a note: You need to use integer mathematics for this. You cannot fit 1 8/10 channels on a QAM... it's either 1 or 2.

Not to mention those enlightened cable ops who put 3 per QAM!

Hehe... yup... 3 is an integer too. :)

is USA HD currently having problems? Because Its been SD and 2 channel dolby digital all weekend.

is USA HD currently having problems? Because Its been SD and 2 channel dolby digital all weekend.

Not here in Greensboro NC. It has been fully HD all weekend.

Not to mention those enlightened cable ops who put 3 per QAM!

1) be happy its not 4 (ahem... Cablevision)

2) the whole '2 per QAM' argument assumes the cable networks are actually sending out their networks at the 'full' bandwidth... in many cases they don't.

1) be happy its not 4 (ahem... Cablevision)

2) the whole '2 per QAM' argument assumes the cable networks are actually sending out their networks at the 'full' bandwidth... in many cases they don't.

Exactly... many of the transport streams on the satellites are set up with 3 per QAM packaging in mind. Now, whether the chicken or egg came first is another story.

Not to mention those enlightened cable ops who put 3 per QAM!

1) be happy its not 4 (ahem... Cablevision)


Can't speak for other TW systems/divisions, but here we have no more than two HDs in any QAM - sounds good, except there is a big BUT - they are all packaged with anywhere from four to six SDs. Given that the pure SD QAMs are packaged at 12 per QAM, that's probably worse than three HDs, but (slightly) better than four.

(It also brings back the concept of non-integer math, lol.)

Time Warner Cable North San Diego County (ex-Adelphia) has received the Viacom Stations (now known as MTV Networks).

Spike HD-Ch. 738

Comedy Central HD-Ch. 760

MTV HD-Ch. 798

I can't confirm if TWC San Diego (original San Diego TWC system) has acquired the MTV Networks HD channels. As of right now, the Time Warner Cable San Diego (twcsd.com) website, has not acknowledged the MTV Networks HD channels added on to their lineup on their channel lineup page for either the original San Diego TWC system or the North San Diego County (ex-Adelphia) system.

Yes San Diego proper has 738, 760, and 798.

I got all the Viacom HD channels here in SoCal as of today :)

I do not know if all areas in SoCal got the new channels.

TWC NYC just announced they're adding 4 of the Viacom HD channels on January 27.

MTV, Comedy Central, BET, and Spike

No idea why not the others.... or why they're waiting so long...

I got all the Viacom HD channels here in SoCal as of today :)

I do not know if all areas in SoCal got the new channels.

All 7 today???

All 7 today???
Yep, here are the channel number in SoCal:

459 - Nick HD
491 - VH1 HD
492 - CMT HD
493 - MTV HD
496 - Spike HD
497 - Comedy Central HD
500 - BET HD

Yep, here are the channel number in SoCal:

459 - Nick HD
491 - VH1 HD
492 - CMT HD
493 - MTV HD
496 - Spike HD
497 - Comedy Central HD
500 - BET HD

dallas got

225 - CNBC WORLD
271 - SLEUTH
762 - SYFY HD
763 - BRAVO HD
765 - CNBC HD+
769 - USA HD

and had 5 analogs moved to digital
ABC FAMILY
CMT
STYLE
OXYGEN
truTV

Known Deals Done With TWC, Not Available in All Areas

HD PPV
HD Movies OnDemand
HD Adult OnDemand
HD Showcase OnDemand
HBO-HD
HBO2-HD
HBO Family-HD
HBO Comedy-HD
HBO Signature-HD
HBO Zone-HD
HBO Latino-HD
Cinemax-HD
MoreMax-HD
ActionMAX-HD
5StarMAX-HD
ThrillerMAX-HD
WMAX-HD
@MAX-HD
OuterMAX-HD
Showtime-HD
Showtime 2-HD
ShowCase-HD
ShowExtreme-HD
The Movie Channel-HD
TMCxtra-HD
Starz-HD
Starz Comedy-HD
Starz Edge-HD
Starz Kids & Family-HD
Encore-HD
MGM-HD
Palladia-HD
TNT-HD
TBS-HD
CNN-HD
Cartoon Network-HD
truTV-HD
TCM-HD
HLN-HD
Food Network-HD
HGTV-HD
A&E-HD
History Channel-HD
History International-HD
Biography-HD
Crime & Investigation-HD
Lifetime Movie Network-HD
Hallmark Movie Channel-HD
Discovery HD Theater
The Science Channel-HD
The Discovery Channel-HD
The Learning Channel-HD
Animal Planet-HD
Planet Green-HD
Investigation Discovery-HD
Travel Channel-HD
Disney Channel-HD
ABC Family-HD
Toon Disney-HD
ESPN-HD
ESPN 2-HD
ESPN News-HD
ESPN U-HD
Universal-HD
The Weather Channel-HD
Sci-Fi-HD
Bravo-HD
USA-HD
CNBC-HD
MSNBC-HD
FUSE-HD
IFC-HD
AMC-HD
WE-HD
Fox News-HD
Fox Business Network-HD
National Geographic-HD
FX-HD
Speed-HD
Big Ten Network-HD
TV One-HD
E! Entertainment-HD
Style-HD
G4-HD
Versus-HD
Golf-HD
QVC-HD
HSN-HD
Smithsonian-HD
MavTV-HD
The Outdoor Channel-HD
CBS College Sports-HD
The Tennis Channel-HD
Game-HD (MLB Extra Innings & NHL Center Ice in HD)
Team-HD (NBA League Pass in HD)
NHL Network-HD
MLB Network-HD
NBA TV-HD
RFD-HD
WGN America-HD
BBC America-HD
Jewlery TV-HD
Nickelodeon-HD
Spike-HD
County Music Channel-HD
BET-HD
MTV-HD
VH1-HD
Comedy Central-HD
Lifetime Television-HD --- (Coming soon to TWC in San Diego)
Gospel Music Channel-HD --- (Coming soon to TWC in Yuma)




Negotiations Unknown With TWC


Centric-HD
LOGO-HD
HDNet
HDNet Movies
MTN-HD
TBN-HD
World Fishing Network-HD
Wealth TV-HD
Fuel-HD
Fashion TV-HD
Cars.TV-HD
Pets.TV-HD
Comedy.TV-HD
MyDestination.TV-HD
ES.TV-HD
Recipe.TV-HD
NFL Network-HD
NFL Redzone-HD
Hustler-HD
EWTN-HD

Fox Soccer Channel-HD --- (Channel Launching in Janurary 2010)
Hallmark Channel-HD --- (Channel Launching in February 2010)
Nat Geo Wild-HD (Fox Reality Channel) --- (Channel Launching in March 2010)
Ovation TV-HD --- (Channel Launching in July 2010)
Cooking-HD (Fine Living) --- (Channel Launching in Q3 of 2010)
REELZCHANNEL-HD --- (Channel Launching in Q3 of 2010)
Starz In Black HD --- (Channel Launching in 1h of 2010)
Starz Cinema HD --- (Channel Launching in 1h of 2010)
IndiePlex HD --- (Channel Launching in 1h of 2010)
RetroPlex HD --- (Channel Launching in 1h of 2010)
Fox College Sports-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2010)
Fox Movie Channel-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2010)
Fox Sports En Espanol-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2010)
BTNC-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2010)
OWN-HD (Discovery Health) --- (Channel Launching in 2011)
ShowBeyond-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
ShowWomen-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
ShowFamilyZone-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
ShowNext-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
FLIX-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
SI TV-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
BBN-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Africa Channel-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Chiller-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Sleuth-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Universal Sports Network-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Qubo-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
ION Life-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
MTV2-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)
Oxygen-HD --- (Channel Launch Rumored)

Yep, here are the channel number in SoCal:

459 - Nick HD
491 - VH1 HD
492 - CMT HD
493 - MTV HD
496 - Spike HD
497 - Comedy Central HD
500 - BET HDWell, that brings us up to the magic "century" mark. 100 HD channels now available on TWC/LA (to be honest... a few premium dups):

401 KVEA HD (Telemundo)
402 KCBS HD (CBS)
404 KNBC HD (NBC)
405 KTLA HD (CW)
407 KABC HD (ABC)
408 KOCE HD (PBS)
409 KCAL HD (Ind)
410 KPXN (ION) HD
411 KTTV (FOX) HD
412 KCET HD (PBS)

413 KCOP HD (myNetworkTV)
414 Palladia HD
415 TNT HD
416 HD Theater
417 TBS in HD
418 Discovery Channel HD
419 Universal HD
420 Smithsonian Channel HD
421 Crime & Investigation Network HD
422 MGM HD

423 The Golf Channel HD
424 ESPN HD
425 ESPN2 HD
426 ESPNews HD
427 HBO HD (West)
428 Showtime HD (West)
429 Starz HD (West)
430 Cinemax HD (West)
431 HD (Pay-per-view)
432 CNN HD

433 HGTV HD
434 Food Network HD
435 Disney Channel HD
436 ABC Family HD
437 TLC HD
438 A&E HD
439 History HD
440 National Geographic HD
441 USA HD
442 Bravo HD

443 Sci Fi HD
444 CNBC HD+
445 Live Well HD (KABC-DT2)
446 MSNBC HD
447 HLN HD
448 BBC America HD
449 Investigation Discovery HD
451 Animal Planet HD
452 Travel Channel HD
453 Planet Green HD

454 The Weather Channel HD
455 History International HD
456 FX HD
457 BIO HD
458 WGN America HD
459 Nickelodeon HD
460 Science Channel HD
461 Toon Disney HD
462 Cartoon Network HD
463 FOX Sports West HD

464 Prime Ticket HD
465 Fox News HD
466 Fox Business Network HD
467 ESPNU HD
468 Speed HD
469 Versus HD
470 MLB Network HD
471 NHL Network HD
472 NBA TV HD
473 The Tennis Channel HD

474 CBS College Sports HD
475 Lifetime Movie Network HD
476 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
478 TCM HD
479 AMC HD
480 Independent Film Channel
481 HBO HD (East)
482 Cinemax HD (East)
483 Showtime HD (East)
484 The Movie Channel HD

485 Starz HD (East)
486 We TV HD
487 E! HD
488 Style HD
489 HSN HD
490 QVC HD
491 VH1 HD
492 Country Music Television HD
493 MTV HD
494 Fuse HD

495 G4 HD
496 Spike HD
497 Comedy Central HD
498 TV One HD
499 Outdoor Channel HD
500 BET HD
502 HBO HD
522 Cinemax HD
552 Showtime HD
572 Starz HD

Well, that brings us up to the magic "century" mark. 100 HD channels now available on TWC/LA (to be honest... a few premium dups):

Yeah I guess its more like 96.
These should count too.
Dont you have:
HD Movies OnDemand
HD Adult OnDemand
HD Showcase OnDemand

Well, that brings us up to the magic "century" mark. 100 HD channels now available on TWC/LA (to be honest... a few premium dups):
From a marketing standpoint, I'm thinking the "magic number" is 101, so they can say "over 100". It's like the $.99 value menu - everything is "under a dollar*"....


*Plus applicable sales tax. Participation may vary...

On Dec.30 TWC is adding 7 new HD channels that will give us the 100 channels they promised here by years end. By the skin of their teeth I might add. CHEERS

I'm really pissed with TWC. They were supposed to add FUSE and IFC HD on the 15th, it still has not been added. But they did add the tennis channel and CSTV in HD on time. I'm jumping with joy over that. :rolleyes:

And according to the local thread, I hear they added Sowtime VOD in HD. Whoopee. I'm shocked HBO wasn't the first to be added for HD VOD.

Dont you have: HD Movies OnDemandWell yes we do, some free and some for $4.99. Some are shown under "movies" and some are in "HD Showcase". Not an actual OnDemand main category dedicated to "HD Movies".

HD Adult OnDemandThere's HD Playboy OnDemand, in the "Premiums" category, but I don't think that counts. No true "adult" that I'm aware of on TWC/LA, nor on non-OnDemand either.

HD Showcase OnDemandYes, we do have that. But no premium movie channels are carried (e.g. no HBO-HD OnDemand or SHO-HD OnDemand) and no AMC-HD OnDemand.

I'm really pissed with TWC.

Well you had to replace SDV with something. :p

I'm really pissed with TWC. They were supposed to add FUSE and IFC HD on the 15th, it still has not been added. But they did add the tennis channel and CSTV in HD on time. I'm jumping with joy over that. :rolleyes:

And according to the local thread, I hear they added Sowtime VOD in HD. Whoopee. I'm shocked HBO wasn't the first to be added for HD VOD.


I thought CSTV is now CBS College Sports? Is CSTV still alive in a parallel universe?

I thought CSTV is now CBS College Sports?Correct.

Dallas is like a year behind even us Bright House folks. It's shocking as they are a big market and should have more HD.

The stuff you listed you listed is the same stuff we got last year.

Here in BH Orlando, we have over 100 HD piggybacking on TWC's deals.

It would be great if an NFL Network deal got done but that's unlikely and don't blame TWC there.

I thought CSTV is now CBS College Sports? Is CSTV still alive in a parallel universe?

Yes, it's CBS College Sports. I said CSTV by mistake, as the logos on our modern new Navigator guide:rolleyes: are outdated on some channels and it still has the CSTV logo.

Dallas is like a year behind even us Bright House folks. It's shocking as they are a big market and should have more HD.

The stuff you listed you listed is the same stuff we got last year.

Here in BH Orlando, we have over 100 HD piggybacking on TWC's deals.

It would be great if an NFL Network deal got done but that's unlikely and don't blame TWC there.

YEAH were about a year behind as they upgraded us to 870MHz last year and added 30 HD when the upgrade was finished. They have added 5 HD this year plus replaced the HDNETs. total of 55 HD non sdv.:D:D

ION HD
USA HD
CNBC HD+
BRAVO HD
SYFY HD

they have not added SDV nor gone all digital the analog they dropped can be used to add 15HD until they launch sdv sometime early next year.

We are a motorola based cable system.

here is the HD we have

(FREE HD)(46)
FOX HD
NBC HD
ABC HD
CBS HD
PBS HD
KTXA HD
MY TV HD
CW HD
ION HD
WEATHER HD
CNN HD
FNC HD
TBS HD
HISTORY HD
LMN HD
FOOD HD
HGTV HD
A&E HD
HDT
DSC HD
APL HD
TLC HD
TRAVEL HD
PLANET GREEN HD
SCI HD
Syfy HD
BRAVO HD
BIO HD
CNBC HD
FX HD
USA HD
TNT HD
NGC HD
HMC HD
DIS HD
DIS XD HD
ABC FAMILY HD
ESPN HD
ESPNNEWS HD
ESPNU HD
ESPN 2 HD
VS HD
FSN HD
SPEED HD
GOLF HD
CBS COLLEGE HD

HD TIER(4)
MGM HD
UHD
SMT HD
MAV HD

HD PREMIUMS(4)
HBO HD
MAX HD
STZ HD
SHO HD

PPV(1)
HD PPV.

Time Warner Cable of Northeast Ohio - 12/19/2009

396 Tennis Channel HD
397 CSHD - CBS College Sports HD
398 NHL HD
399 NBA HD

403 WKYC NBC
404 WOIO CBS
405 WEWS ABC
406 WUAB MNTV
407 WBNX CW
408 WJW FOX
410 WNEO PBS
411 WVIZ PBS
413 WRLMHD
421 WFMJ NBC
422 WYTV ABC
423 WYFX FOX
424 WKBN CBS
430 ESPNHD
431 ESPN2HD
432 ESPN News HD
433 Big Ten Network HD
434 ESPN U HD
435 Sportstime Ohio HD
436 FSN HD
437 FSN HD
438 MLB Network HD
439 Golf HD
440 Versus HD
441 TNT HD
442 TBS HD
443 USA HD
444 A&E HD
445 HGTV HD
446 FOOD HD
447 History HD
448 HD Theater
449 Discovery HD
450 TLC HD
451 Discovery Science HD
452 Animal Planet HD
453 National Geographic HD
454 Travel Channel HD
455 Planet Green HD
456 Disney HD
457 DXD HD
459 Cartoon Network HD
460 ABC Family HD
461 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
463 Lifetime Movie HD
464 AMC HD
465 TCM HD
466 Bravo HD
467 E! HD
468 Style HD
469 Biography HD
470 Palladia HD
476 Sci-Fi HD
478 F/X HD
480 Speed HD
481 Outdoor Channel HD
482 G4 HD
483 CNN HD
484 Headline News HD
485 FOX News HD
486 CNBC HD
487 MSNBC HD
488 FOX Business News HD
489 The Weather Channel HD
490 BBC America HD
491 WE HD
492 TV One HD
493 Fuse HD
494 IFC HD
495 Encore HD
496 Universal HD
497 Smithsonian HD
498 Mav TV HD
499 MGM HD

544 HD Showcase On Demand
545 HD Movies On Demand

602 HBO HD
621 Cinemax HD
641 Showtime HD
650 Showtime HD On Demand
652 Showtime 2 HD
661 TMC HD
676 STARZ HD

710 HD PPV
740 GAME HD
760 TEAM HD

Not too bad considering this time last year we only had the local channels and the national cable channels in bold, 9 total outside of pay channels.

I'm really pissed with TWC. They were supposed to add FUSE and IFC HD on the 15th, it still has not been added. But they did add the tennis channel and CSTV in HD on time. I'm jumping with joy over that. :rolleyes:

And according to the local thread, I hear they added Sowtime VOD in HD. Whoopee. I'm shocked HBO wasn't the first to be added for HD VOD.

Well, we got exactly ZERO of the premium channels HD VOD channels.

You'll be very disappointed in IFC HD I think, last I looked, they take SD material and apply a non linear stretch to it and play that on the supposed HD channel. Being non-linear, you can't squeeze it back, so you're MUCH better off using zoom on the usually letterboxed SD channel.

It would be great if an NFL Network deal got done but that's unlikely and don't blame TWC there.

Then again, if we DID have NFLN, then I might have watched last nights Saints game, during which I may have thrown something at my screen as the Saints rolled over to the...

Time Warner Cable of Northeast Ohio - 12/19/2009

396 Tennis Channel HD
397 CSHD - CBS College Sports HD
398 NHL HD
399 NBA HD

403 WKYC NBC
404 WOIO CBS
405 WEWS ABC
406 WUAB MNTV
407 WBNX CW
408 WJW FOX
410 WNEO PBS
411 WVIZ PBS
413 WRLMHD
421 WFMJ NBC
422 WYTV ABC
423 WYFX FOX
424 WKBN CBS
430 ESPNHD
431 ESPN2HD
432 ESPN News HD
433 Big Ten Network HD
434 ESPN U HD
435 Sportstime Ohio HD
436 FSN HD
437 FSN HD
438 MLB Network HD
439 Golf HD
440 Versus HD
441 TNT HD
442 TBS HD
443 USA HD
444 A&E HD
445 HGTV HD
446 FOOD HD
447 History HD
448 HD Theater
449 Discovery HD
450 TLC HD
451 Discovery Science HD
452 Animal Planet HD
453 National Geographic HD
454 Travel Channel HD
455 Planet Green HD
456 Disney HD
457 DXD HD
459 Cartoon Network HD
460 ABC Family HD
461 Hallmark Movie Channel HD
463 Lifetime Movie HD
464 AMC HD
465 TCM HD
466 Bravo HD
467 E! HD
468 Style HD
469 Biography HD
470 Palladia HD
476 Sci-Fi HD
478 F/X HD
480 Speed HD
481 Outdoor Channel HD
482 G4 HD
483 CNN HD
484 Headline News HD
485 FOX News HD
486 CNBC HD
487 MSNBC HD
488 FOX Business News HD
489 The Weather Channel HD
490 BBC America HD
491 WE HD
492 TV One HD
493 Fuse HD
494 IFC HD
495 Encore HD
496 Universal HD
497 Smithsonian HD
498 Mav TV HD
499 MGM HD

544 HD Showcase On Demand
545 HD Movies On Demand

602 HBO HD
621 Cinemax HD
641 Showtime HD
650 Showtime HD On Demand
652 Showtime 2 HD
661 TMC HD
676 STARZ HD

710 HD PPV
740 GAME HD
760 TEAM HD

Not too bad considering this time last year we only had the local channels and the national cable channels in bold, 9 total outside of pay channels.

Strange. Channels 493 and 494 don't appear in my channel lineup, and my TWC is out of Sharon, PA which is a hub from the main facility in Akron, OH.

I will go look again, but maybe I have to unplug my 4250HDC box, and restart it.

http://www.mypublicnotices.com/WacoTrib/PublicNotice.asp?Page=PublicNotice&AdId=1691463

waco is getting 15 HD plus moving 5 channels to digital KNCT (PBS), OXYGEN, truTV, ABC FAMILY, CMT.

plus they just added 4 channels last week

ESPNU HD
MSNBC HD
AMC HD
PLANET GREEN HD

so they should have 70+ HD next month.

going to be interesting when I see the DALLAS legal notice!

Strange. Channels 493 and 494 don't appear in my channel lineup, and my TWC is out of Sharon, PA which is a hub from the main facility in Akron, OH.

I will go look again, but maybe I have to unplug my 4250HDC box, and restart it.

493, 494 and the premium channels were scheduled to go live on December 15, they haven't yet. I'm not sure what's going on there. :(

493, 494 and the premium channels were scheduled to go live on December 15, they haven't yet. I'm not sure what's going on there. :(

Nick,

Here in Wisconsin we have a test channel range that starts in the 1900's and it shows all new channels generally:

1.) First as placeholders

2.) Than a few days later, the channels show up in the test channels. DVR users can record them as test channels will appear in searches, BUT not in the time grid. At that time, they get official numbers and are launched

3.) It takes about 5-7 days from a channel going live in its test position (with audio and video) to appearing in the guide under the regular stations.

4.) However, each division has different test channel ranges, so if you don't know what your test channel ranges are, someone from your area in Ohio could tell you here or post where your test channel ranges are in a TWC-Navigator Ohio forum.

5.) For Wisconsin, our Diagnostics channel that tells the version of our software is 1900 and sometimes the test channels will start around 1901, but for the last two HD channel additions they started around 1975-1985. When you see those channels in test mode with video, they should be a week away from being added (or less.)

Jack

so i have a sony xbr that has the pic and pic. so last year during football seaosn i split the wire in the cable box and then a wire into the tv. so for a year ive been getting the local hd channels when i watch it thru the tv--like maybe a month ago i started getting no signal. i am able to get the SD channels but the HD local channels i get no signal?? does anyone know why this is or is there anything i can do to correct the issue

i am a time warner nyc customer

so i have a sony xbr that has the pic and pic. so last year during football seaosn i split the wire in the cable box and then a wire into the tv. so for a year ive been getting the local hd channels when i watch it thru the tv--like maybe a month ago i started getting no signal. i am able to get the SD channels but the HD local channels i get no signal?? does anyone know why this is or is there anything i can do to correct the issue

i am a time warner nyc customer

Although it is possible, I don't believe that TW has begun encrypting the HD locals (yet)... most likely the channels you are looking for were relocated to new QAM RF assignments. You probably just need to do a new channel scan on your TV to pick up the new channel mapping.

so i have a sony xbr that has the pic and pic. so last year during football seaosn i split the wire in the cable box and then a wire into the tv. so for a year ive been getting the local hd channels when i watch it thru the tv--like maybe a month ago i started getting no signal. i am able to get the SD channels but the HD local channels i get no signal?? does anyone know why this is or is there anything i can do to correct the issue

i am a time warner nyc customer

They shifted the QAM locations of the local HD channels in NYC.

Rescan.

thanks for the help

We now have 102 HD channels on Time Warner Cable via SDV here in Central Maine. Last night, I went through the lineup slow enough to admire how great all of these channels look. Even had IFC had a real HD program on at the time. (Of course, RFD HD did not.)

TWC has done a great job where I live and I am very satisfied. Once in a while, an SDV HD channel takes a couple of extra seconds to come up, but that isn't a serious problem.

I am, also, glad to see the company taking a tough stand with the broadcasters even though it threatens my favorite entertainment channel FOX. I may have to limp along for awhile with the other 100 HD channels.

Does anyone know the status of Sundance HD?

Saw an interesting commercial on WNYW FOX New York tonight. It was from FOX, railing on about how Time Warner Cable was making millions and not willing to pay a fair price to carry FOX, and in another 8 days FOX would no longer be carried on TWC.

http://www.keepfoxon.com/fox

A "fair" price for FOX in my opinion is $0.00. Exactly what it costs me to get it OTA. Never mind that besides occasional sports (not an NFL fan) they have absolutely no shows that interest me whatsoever.

But in addition to over-the-air FOX (which i watch a lot of), i'd also be losing access to Fox Sports West, Prime Ticket, FX, Fuel, and most importantly to me, Speed Channel. About 1/4 of my total TV viewing per week is racing on Speed Channel and i simply can not and will not tolerate losing it. And after years of having it in Standard Def only, TWC FINALLY added Speed-HD to my local lineup a few weeks ago and i'm already getting excited about being able to watch Formula One and all my favorite Sports Car racing categories in High Def at my own house for a change.

I am already reading the AT&T U-Verse threads and getting myself up to speed on it's current status but i already know from visiting neighbors' and a few friends' houses that U-Verse's HD PQ isn't nearly as good as my local TWC provider. My whole town is TWC Fiber Optic to the poles behind the houses and it rivals FIOS PQ. DirecTV is not an option because they dropped Versus in a similar dispute so i wouldn't be able to get the Indy Car and Indy Light racing series, and i don't want to get locked into a 1 or 2 year commitment.

Time Warner has been steadily raising prices through the years as it is so we're already used to it. Reports are that FOX wants one dollar per subscriber to carry all their channels which i think is reasonable considering how popular the network is. I don't know how much they're getting already or where TWC's claimed "300 percent increase" is coming from but another measly 50 cents or even one dollar increase per month is nothing and it would be worth it to me if that's what it takes to keep FOX on Time Warner. Both FOX and Time Warner are claiming that the viewers are on their sides and both sites only post viewer comments that support their own stance, but i pay Time Warner for my channel lineup and i don't think they should have the right to take channels away. Go ahead add a buck to my bill and make it out like FOX is the bad guy, i'll complain to FOX. But i do think Time Warner is not telling the whole truth about the details of FOX's demands and are being greedy as usual. No matter who is at fault, the viewers suffer.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118012814.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&ref=bd_tv

http://gadgetress.freedomblogging.com/2009/12/18/time-warner-may-lose-simpsons-american-idol-more-fox-shows/30341/

Bottom Line: Until the FCC steps in and regulates tying/bundling these disputes are going to continue. The major players (IE: TWC, Comcast, DirecTV, & Dish) need to band together against programming cost. Content providers NEED cable/satcos to get their product out in mass, not the other way around. Sure, they have the net, but TV is still the major player. The majority of subs would take an ala carte option if offered. Networks would have to learn what fair value is them because the market would dictate it.

After what I saw yesterday, I could care less if TWC loses the Giants final game. 24 I can get on the Net.

In my market, TWC is totally in the driver's seat. MANY residents can't do OTA or satellite and FiOS has completely ground to a halt, so very, very few can actually get it.

The only channel we stand to lose in my market that I care about is FX. The others are all niche sports channels like Speed, Fuel, and Fox Soccer Espanol. I'm fortunate to be in a great location for OTA though - I pull in 22 OTA stations from two different markets and if I really wanted to tweak, I could probably get some northern stations, maybe even CKWS with the proper equipment.

I am already reading the AT&T U-Verse threads and getting myself up to speed on it's current status but i already know from visiting neighbors' and a few friends' houses that U-Verse's HD PQ isn't nearly as good as my local TWC provider. My whole town is TWC Fiber Optic to the poles behind the houses and it rivals FIOS PQ.


A couple of corrections to your statement above. Yeah U-Verse HD picture quality sucks as ATT compress HD signal down to 6mbs and TWC only compresses HD signals down to 8mbs. With that being said, Not sure what kool aid you been drinking as you certainly have no idea how cable system work or are run.

TWC in all of Los Angeles is using fiber from the head unit(cmts/ubr) to HFC box which services your "Node". A node can be anywhere from 1 to 10000 homes or business depending on how the node is set up as HFC is basically a hub that converts a fiber signal to Coax and allows you bridge lines off of it in difference directions. They don't install HFC boxes behind everyone house connected to their own port in the cmts/ubr at the head unit as that would be super costly. Hence that is the reason cable internet is a shared access/bandwidth platform.

Fios has no compression at all on any of their channels so all their HD are broadcast between 18-25mbs. If you can not tell the difference between 8mbs and 18-25mbs then you should have your eyes checked as any HD signal you get with an over the air antenna makes TWC picture look bad. You can not tell the difference between Fois picture and over the air antenna as Fios passes the raw feeds without compressing them at all unlike cable/sat and U-Verse.

Bottom Line: Until the FCC steps in and regulates tying/bundling these disputes are going to continue. I'm not sure how much bundling is the issue here. I suspect that TWC would be as unwilling to carry FX, if they cannot get Fox OTA for what they feel is a fair price, as Fox is unwilling to offer FX, if they cannot get what they feel is a fair price for Fox OTA. If wholesale a la carte is imposed (which is, essentially, what you're advocating for, and something I personally support), I suspect we'd just see two separate disputes, here: Fox still insisting on more for Fox OTA than TWC wants to pay, and perhaps "separately" TWC refusing to agree to a separate contract for FX, without explaining why (but in reality it is because they don't want to give Fox any money, because of the Fox OTA dispute).

I pay TWC $1,236 per year for television and internet. My cable system has 7 network broadcast stations. If each of them wanted $1 per month more than they currently are paid, it would be a $7 per month increase or $84 per year. That would make my total annual cost for non-essential items (television and internet) $1,320.

Now, I can afford it, but I would like to avoid an increased cost if it is possible. I would, also, like to have the guy down the street be able to avoid an increase as well. He has less money than I do and I know it will strain his budget for what are more essential matters.

It seems that there are three ways to hold down the increasing household cost of broadcast television on cable. Firstly, you can cancel your cable subscription. Secondly, the cable company could absorb the cost of any increase by accepting a decrease in profit. Thirdly, the cable company could refuse to pay any increase.

My favorite of the 3 possibilities is number 3. I don't want to cancel and a decreasing profit leads to a company that cannot take care of its and my interests.

Of course, a station / network that is refused an increase will withdraw the availability of its signal from the cable companies. I wouldn't blame them for doing that. This is business and each party has to do what works best for them.

I suspect that when the station / network loses the advertising eyeballs that it currently has, it will demand cable carriage. If they do not, they will have to live with the results.

If something is not done, now, to begin to hold down the cost of cable, when will the time be better? What do you say that we try to develop a little backbone and, actually, be willing to, temporarily, live without something so totally unnecessary as a particular television channel?

I would, also, like to have the guy down the street be able to avoid an increase as well. He has less money than I do and I know it will strain his budget for what are more essential matters. If his budget is strained, he should drop down to limited basic, which is regulated to be offered at a "reasonable" rate. Indeed, one of the realizations, with regard to this TWC/Fox issue is that if Fox "wins" then it isn't basic cable rates that will go up, to compensate, but rather expanded basic cable rates that will go up, to compensate, including an extra bump to subsidize that portion of the increased costs attributable to subscribers at the lower tier.

It seems that there are three ways to hold down the increasing household cost of broadcast television on cable. Firstly, you can cancel your cable subscription. Secondly, the cable company could absorb the cost of any increase by accepting a decrease in profit. Thirdly, the cable company could refuse to pay any increase. My favorite of the 3 possibilities is number 3. I don't want to cancel and a decreasing profit leads to a company that cannot take care of its and my interests. Good point, but it actually might end up supporting the opposite of the preference you expressed in the beginning of your message. Advertisers are realizing that they've been raped for years, paying more to advertise on television than it is probably worth to them, in terms of added revenues. We've seen the beginning of a marked downturn in the rates advertisers are willing to pay. That heralds the "decreasing profits" that you referred to in the quote, above -- specifically, "decreasing profit [that] lead... to a company that cannot take care of its and my interests". However, the company experiencing decreasing profit, in that case, would be Fox. Indeed, it is the specter of decreasing profits from commercial advertising that has prompted over-the-air broadcasters to pursue this second revenue stream, specifically, retransmission fees.

This is business and each party has to do what works best for them. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/icons/icon14.gif

I suspect that when the station / network loses the advertising eyeballs that it currently has, it will demand cable carriage.It probably won't come to that. In the end, cable companies have competition, so if TWC doesn't agree to carry Fox, then they're going to lose subscribers to its competitors, such as Dish Network. By comparison, Fox is the only source for American Idol (for example). Some people in these forums love to rapaciously and erroneously accuse cable companies of being monopolies, but the reality is not only that the cable companies have competition, but within a specific context, the over-the-air broadcast networks are the only source for the programs that they offer. You cannot get live broadcasts of American Idol (for example) though any means other than the over-the-air Fox broadcast channel. Fox effectively has a "monopoly" :rolleyes: on American Idol episodes.

So in the end, because TWC is in a competitive marketplace, and Fox is not, Fox has the upper-hand. They won't get everything they want -- negotiations in business don't work that way -- but they won't "lose". TWC won't get its way. Fox will make gains. And then they'll try to get more, next time.

If something is not done, now, to begin to hold down the cost of cable, when will the time be better?There is no good time: The cost of basic cable is regulated, and is therefore offered at a "reasonable" rate, while the cost of expanded basic will reflect what the market is willing to bear, as intended.

If something is not done, now, to begin to hold down the cost of cable, when will the time be better? What do you say that we try to develop a little backbone and, actually, be willing to, temporarily, live without something so totally unnecessary as a particular television channel?

If you wanted to show some backbone you could have complained about how TWC services have never improved in years (and in the case of Navigator - degraded the experience) yet they continuously raise their rates to cover their own poorly implemented development projects aimed at a handful of markets and at tiny portion of the audience, that they then suddenly drop like a rock when the PR luster wears off.

I'd rather pay for channels than to support the pitiful attempts at useless software "technology" that TWC like to trot out on parade to impress shareholders - like their "enhanced TV" options. Especially when they had better options to begin with but wouldn't pay for. If you want to talk about things that are totally unnecessary, you only need look at how much they waste on superfluous software designed purely for bragging rights.

When TWC start offering cutting edge technology such as DOCSIS 3.0 to all markets, then they can start justifying their ever-increasing rates. Right now this "backbone" of theirs is just a convenient scapegoat to cover the costs incurred by their years of development lethargy and lack of technical competence to compete with their rivals.

HAHAHAHA ... Oh man, I'm rolling on the floor right now. Whoever runs Time Warner's PR dept must be an idiot! I just got a mailer from them with the 2010 rates and they are going WAY up. This is even BEFORE the negotiations with Fox. All The Best is going from $135.50 to $144.95! Get It All from $167.50 to $176.75. To be fair (chuckle, chuckle) the Set Top Rental fee is going from $7.21 to $7.00 and CableCard Fees are going from $2.54 to $2.50.

Now, this said, I must say that our division now has an HD lineup superior to DirecTV. We have many channels in HD the DirecTV doesn't even offer. However, dropping a $10 rate hike on people when you are actively advertising programming costs getting out of control? REALLY??

This doesn't affect me yet because I'm in a promotional rate. In fact, I have been since I signed up 4 years ago. Everytime my rate climbs, I call and see if they can do anything and they generally do. Heck, last time they mailed me a flyer offering the promo rate. So, as it stands, I'm likely not going anywhere, but I am going to look into building an HTPC. My main issue is doing something user friendly. My wife and kids need something they can just turn on and watch.

If you wanted to show some backbone you could have complained about how TWC services have never improved in years (and in the case of Navigator - degraded the experience) yet they continuously raise their rates to cover their own poorly implemented development projects aimed at a handful of markets and at tiny portion of the audience, that they then suddenly drop like a rock when the PR luster wears off.

I'd rather pay for channels than to support the pitiful attempts at useless software "technology" that TWC like to trot out on parade to impress shareholders - like their "enhanced TV" options. Especially when they had better options to begin with but wouldn't pay for. If you want to talk about things that are totally unnecessary, you only need look at how much they waste on superfluous software designed purely for bragging rights.

^^This. I looked at my cable bill yesterday, the cost of DVR service is now $9.95/month. Back when DVR first started and up until the time Passport was swapped for Navigator, DVR service was always close to $5 or $6. In the past two years it's jumped $4. For what? The DVR with Passport was better and didn't cost as much. And they claimed it would be "too much money to keep Passport". Too much money NOT GOING INTO THEIR OWN POCKETS.

And that's the same thing with the FOX deal, the Viacom deal, the NFL Network deal, the HD Net deal, ... TWC does not care about "keeping cable rates down" as they claim. TWC only cares about keeping the rate they have to pay down. Les money paid to content providers = more profits for TWC.

This is why I'm on the side of all of those network/station groups. If they want a few more pennies a month for their programming, so be it. I can at least see how it's justified. Programming, movies, etc cost money. Networks have operating costs and it's only a few pennies. TWC raises their rates each year, more than just a few pennies. For no reason at all. Why is a SA 8300HD worth $7.65 today when it was on $7.35 three years ago? Or they raise their rates to cover "technology". Like this wonderful new SDV technology that still doesn't work in all areas of the system. And some areas still haven't had any of the SDV channels added, but have been paying the SDV price for six months.

If something is not done, now, to begin to hold down the cost of cable, when will the time be better?

Sounds almost exactly like the TWC commercial, eh? The way to "hold down cable costs" is not to support lying cable companies that want to drop channels. Cable costs will not go down if cable companies are allowed to have it "their way". We need to be fighting this desire to put channels on "tiers" that require the purchase of unwanted channels for one or two wanted channels(like NFL Network on the sports tier or the HD Nets on the HDTV Tier).

What do you say that we try to develop a little backbone and, actually, be willing to, temporarily, live without something so totally unnecessary as a particular television channel?

No. I'm paying a buttload of money. Even if FOX, F/X, etc are removed, I'll still be paying a buttload of money. Why should we pay a ton of money to a cable provider that lacks channels almost every other cable, satellite or IPTV provider offers? They took away HD Net, now they're gonna take away F/X? That's too far. If they start dropping major cable networks, maybe finally the customers will revolt. Like I've said, the real two choices for TWC are "keep your customers" or "cause the biggest migration to competitors".

Here's my new logo for Time Warner's latest campaign.

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/7194/timewarner2small.jpg

No. I'm paying a buttload of money. Even if FOX, F/X, etc are removed, I'll still be paying a buttload of money. Why should we pay a ton of money to a cable provider that lacks channels almost every other cable, satellite or IPTV provider offers? They took away HD Net, now they're gonna take away F/X?

Yeah but now you have the sheer excellence that is MavTV for the exact same package price as it was with HDNet!

See? That's how much TWC care about the channels you receive and how much they cost. Not only did they find you an amazing replacement for a fairly well respected HD provider but they added it for the same amazing rate! :rolleyes:

Now, this said, I must say that our division now has an HD lineup superior to DirecTV. We have many channels in HD the DirecTV doesn't even offer. However, dropping a $10 rate hike on people when you are actively advertising programming costs getting out of control? REALLY??


Did they include this piece of pro-active defensive spin?

"We are always looking for ways to offer our customers the highest quality and best value. You expect excellence in your entertainment and communications services, and we strive to exceed your expectations. You also want the best value possible, and that's why we work very hard to control costs. When costs rise, we need to pass on some of these costs to our customers to maintain the high level of service you expect from us. Sports and broadcast programming costs are by far the largest contributor to price increases."

So now you know whose fault it is that the rental price of your TWC remote control just went up!

Because of greedy Fox, Time Warner Cable had to increase the price you pay for a 7 inch piece of plastic that's years old and worth nothing.

Agreed. They use the expanded HD lineup as one reason. So, they basically insult the intellegence of their customers.

"We offer free HD and satellite charges you $10 a month to get it!"

"Wait, you just raised your rates $10 a moth"

"Yea, but we have Free HD"

I still think there should be zero dollars paid to locals for cable carriage. If anything, cable carriage gives the local added value. In our market, the OTA transmissions are not as reliable. Numerous times, the OTA signals have been out, yet continued uninterupted on cable because of direct fiber links to the studios. Not to mentioned the increased viewership the locals pickup from being on cable.

Agreed. They use the expanded HD lineup as one reason. So, they basically insult the intellegence of their customers.

"We offer free HD and satellite charges you $10 a moth to get it!"

"Wait, you just raised your rates $10 a moth"

"Yea, but we have Free HD"

All of TWC's commercials are insulting to intelligence. I want to punch that guy whenever he comes on. I thought "you don't need to put a dish on your house" and all this Start Over crap was the most insulting. That's a new low. Bragging about satellite's $10 fee, then raising the bill $10.

I still think there should be zero dollars paid to locals for cable carriage. If anything, cable carriage gives the local added value. In our market, the OTA transmissions are not as reliable. Numerous times, the OTA signals have been out, yet continued uninterupted on cable because of direct fiber links to the studios. Not to mentioned the increased viewership the locals pickup from being on cable.

I think zero dollars should be paid for local channels because my OTA version channels are usually more reliable than TWC's version. The local CBS is the worst, ever since they started using the digital version last year there's a problem on the analog channel where the screen will randomly turn yellow. Caused me to miss part of Big Bang Theory one night. At the same time the SDTV with TWC had a yellow screen, another SDTV in the house with a DTV converter worked fine. Other times the local channels randomly don't work. The HD versions either have a blank screen in the morning or I turn on the SDTV in the bedroom to hear fuzz instead of Today on the analog NBC channel.

Time Warner Cable Inc. is willing to pay News Corp.'s Fox Broadcasting stations a retransmission consent fee for access to its programming next year, according to two people familiar with the matter, but the companies are negotiating on the size of the fee as the end of their current contract approaches.

Fox, which currently doesn't receive any retransmission fees from Time Warner Cable, is asking for $1 per subscriber per month—a figure that more than doubles the amount the cable company pays to other broadcast networks, like CBS Corp., a person familiar with the talks said. Time Warner Cable is offering something closer to 20 cents per subscriber per month, the person said.

The two sides are likely to sit down for face-to-face negotiations in coming days, with the possibility of Time Warner Cable negotiators flying to Los Angeles to hunker down with their News Corp. counterparts, according to people familiar with the matter.

"Negotiations are ongoing, but Fox's current demands are unreasonable and excessive, especially in this economic climate," said Maureen Huff, a spokeswoman with Time Warner Cable.

A Fox spokesman declined to comment. News Corp. also owns The Wall Street Journal.

If the two parties can't agree before midnight Jan. 1, Fox's signal may be pulled from Time Warner Cable's system, depriving the company's cable-TV subscribers of college and NFL playoff games, as well as popular shows like "The Simpsons."

A disruption would also involve some of News Corp.'s cable networks, such as FX, Speed, Fuel TV and regional sports networks, according to a person familiar with the situation.

Chris Marangi, analyst with Gabelli & Co., said he expects the two sides will reach an agreement at around 60 cents per subscriber per month.

Both companies have launched marketing campaigns aimed at pinning blame for a possible programming blackout on the other.

"We hope Fox won't punish our customers by taking their programming away while we try to reach an agreement," Ms. Huff said.

Historically, broadcast networks have been primarily ad-supported businesses, with major conglomerates that own both broadcast and cable networks, like News Corp. and Walt Disney Co., gaining some compensation for their broadcast programming through carriage agreements for their cable networks.

Cable operators have resisted paying retransmission fees to broadcasters explicitly, for fear of setting a precedent in the industry that could accelerate the industry's rising programming costs. Broadcasters, however, are demanding fees now as their advertising business suffers amid the economic downturn and the rise of online advertising.

Large media conglomerates like News Corp. also are asking for direct fees for their broadcast stations, so they can negotiate for fees from affiliate stations they don't own and to achieve parity with cable networks that garner higher carriage fees while boasting smaller audiences.

Cable operators argue that broadcast network programming is available to audiences free over the air and, in many cases, on the Internet, so they shouldn't command the same level of compensation as their cable counterparts.

"It's difficult for Fox to make the argument that it can have it both ways," said Mr. Marangi, the Gabelli analyst. "On the other hand, this is a perfect time for Fox to demand payments, because of the programming lineup they have coming up in January," including new seasons of popular shows such as "American Idol" and "24."
—Shira Ovide of the Wall Street Journal contributed to this article

Write to Nat Worden at nat.worden@dowjones.com
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704134104574624643605710198.html

I think Start Over is a decent option, but it's so limited that I barely use it. They have started to roll it out on HD channels here, but you can't fast forward. That was mainly aimed at non-DVR users. We really need new hardware and a new guide. Hopefully Centon will deliver on it's HTPC CableCard unit. One card handles 4-6 tuners and it's SDV ready. More and more I'm looking at other options.

I think Start Over is a decent option, but it's so limited that I barely use it.

And that's exactly the kind of PR-focused projects I'm talking about.

TWC were throwing that around in PR three years ago, preening their peacock feathers with pride to their shareholders about their amazingly advanced Start Over technology.

When the preening ended so did their interest in the project. It's taken years to reach other areas, the channels it offers are next to useless, there are barely any of them Start Over works on and in the meantime if you want to really "start over" you can just go to Hulu.

TWC poured their customer's money into the network DVR project for years and when that failed poured some more into salvaging the development to create Start Over. They then let that idea fade into obsolescence as the shareholders lost interest when it wasn't new and shiny enough.

It's these kind of half-baked, Powerpoint bullet-points that TWC keeps throwing money at. If TWC want to save some money on our behalf then either hire a competent group of developers who can build something competent and worthwhile out of the gate, or just stop supporting this fluff to begin with and concentrate on lowering the support costs and improving everything they charge us for already.

No, I'm with you on stupid projects by Time Warner. The biggest failure of all is their Navigator software which has been in development for about 5 years now and still hasn't gotten to our market. On top of that it's several steps backwards from what other providers have. The guide I currently have looks like it was done on a Commodore 64!?!?! Instead of pursuing a better hardware option or partnering with Tivo for a higher end DVR for subs like myself who would want it (and pay for it) they throw money at wasteful things. We actually have an HD New10 channel that is nothing more than the SD channel with sidebars. Time Warner is light years behind the tech curve. However, the line up is currently very robust, it's just a logistical nightmare to find channels and I've brought that up to. They are not going to "group" channels. I'm always exploring my options, but all providers have their quirks. One major one I have with DirecTV is that they FORCE you to pay for locals. Even if you buy the add on OTA tuner and set it up. If you live in a market that has locals you have to pay $5 a month for them. These are the reasons I'm looking into HTPC.

Time Warner is light years behind the tech curve.

And it's amazing how quickly that has happened. Which is why we are now paying higher rates and TWC are trying to find new ways to maintain a profit in the face of ever-increasingly compelling rivals with better technology.

9 years ago I was really impressed with TWC, being one of the first in this area with digital cable and the Passport IPG. Even the VOD stuff, despite having a crude interface, was new and ahead of other cablecos. Then they reached a technology plateau and decide to coast for the rest of the decade.

If Navigator hasn't desecrated your TV yet, be thankful. There's really nothing nice to say about it. It still lacks the features Passport had, yet they've downloaded more nonsensical "updates" this year than ever with Passport or in the past two years of Navigator combined. And still no key word search or even a stable DVR(I had the partial recording SDV channel thing just the other day). A Commodore 64 owns Navigator!!

And it's obvious Start Over is a PR thing by the channels that have it. All the "popular" stuff like VH1 and TBS have it, while good channels like USA do not have it. I rarely use it because it isn't available on what I watch. We have it in HD on TBS, Disney and Food and HGTV. Whoopee!! And yet this stupid feature is the focal point of the recent TWC ad campaigns. That dumb "beer commercial guy" brags about how great it is to have Start Over. Yeah, so I don't have to miss the beginnings of Hanna Montana or Rock of Love any more! :rolleyes:

Ben, are your HD channels decently grouped? Here in Ohio we have some order to the HD channels, the ESPNs, RSN and a few other channels are grouped. So are the Discovery type channels and cartoon channels, news and movies. It looks like they put a little thought into the arrangement. One of the nice things about having a rebuild migration system is the analog channels are duplicated in the 100-400 range to have a 'standard' lineup across different systems. So we have the family, sports, news, kids, movie channels grouped. And channels that are analog like Discovery are right next to channels like National Geographic that are digital.

I pay TWC $1,236 per year for television and internet. My cable system has 7 network broadcast stations. If each of them wanted $1 per month more than they currently are paid, it would be a $7 per month increase or $84 per year. That would make my total annual cost for non-essential items (television and internet) $1,320.

Now, I can afford it, but I would like to avoid an increased cost if it is possible. I would, also, like to have the guy down the street be able to avoid an increase as well. He has less money than I do and I know it will strain his budget for what are more essential matters.

It seems that there are three ways to hold down the increasing household cost of broadcast television on cable. Firstly, you can cancel your cable subscription. Secondly, the cable company could absorb the cost of any increase by accepting a decrease in profit. Thirdly, the cable company could refuse to pay any increase.

My favorite of the 3 possibilities is number 3. I don't want to cancel and a decreasing profit leads to a company that cannot take care of its and my interests.

Of course, a station / network that is refused an increase will withdraw the availability of its signal from the cable companies. I wouldn't blame them for doing that. This is business and each party has to do what works best for them.

I suspect that when the station / network loses the advertising eyeballs that it currently has, it will demand cable carriage. If they do not, they will have to live with the results.

If something is not done, now, to begin to hold down the cost of cable, when will the time be better? What do you say that we try to develop a little backbone and, actually, be willing to, temporarily, live without something so totally unnecessary as a particular television channel?

Amen!

For many of us, Fox needs the cable company more than the cable company needs Fox. If I cared and wand wanted to, I can easily receive the Fox broadcast network for free over the air with a rabbit ears indoor antenna. Fox needs the ad eyeballs that cable users provide. ln fact they dilute the number of those eyeballs with the cable-only channels that they offer. Pull them and they hurt themselves even worse.

Really the only reason we prefer cable is for CNN, Comedy Central, MSNBC, SyFY, Food, occasionally the financial channels and Discovery, History and National Geographic. And Disney when kids visit.

A couple of corrections to your statement above. Yeah U-Verse HD picture quality sucks as ATT compress HD signal down to 6mbs and TWC only compresses HD signals down to 8mbs. With that being said, Not sure what kool aid you been drinking as you certainly have no idea how cable system work or are run. TWC in all of Los Angeles is using fiber from the head unit(cmts/ubr) to HFC box which services your "Node".True i'm not very knowledgeable in how a cable system works or now it's run, but i do have very good eyesight and i know what i see. I'm in El Segundo, not Los Angeles. My TWC provider also covers Torrance, and they have told me more than a few times that they aren't affiliated with the divisions that service the city of Los Angeles which starts a few miles north of me. I have friends and family in WLA, Palms, Mar Vista, Van Nuys, and even Orange County and the picture quality they're all getting from Time Warner is noticeably worse than what i get here in El Segundo. Some of them that have been to my house agree that my TWC signal looks better than theirs. I have never seen any other cable service in any other area look as good as what i get at home despite my friends and family having similar HD TVs.


A node can be anywhere from 1 to 10000 homes or business depending on how the node is set up as HFC is basically a hub that converts a fiber signal to Coax and allows you bridge lines off of it in difference directions. They don't install HFC boxes behind everyone house connected to their own port in the cmts/ubr at the head unit as that would be super costly. Hence that is the reason cable internet is a shared access/bandwidth platform. All i know is that Time Warner personnel have told me that our whole division is fiber optic, including a tech supervisor in business casual attire who accompanied the tech that was came to my house to trouble-shoot a Cable Card problem last year. I asked him if they've switched to SDV and he said "we're not planning on going to SDV anytime soon, and that our fiber optic network has plenty of bandwidth to support a lot more HD channels". And later another tech crew came out to replace an amp and run a new 60 foot run of RG6 to my house and he said it's fiber optic up to the pole.

Several years ago (maybe 10 years?) Time Warner sent out a letter that they're upgrading my town to Fiber Optic within the next few months which will improve our picture quality. A few months later, a Time Warner boom truck was blocking my dead-end alley and they were installing something on the pole and i was unable to get my car out. The foreman asked me if i could give them a few hours which was cool with me so i hung around and chatted with him for a bit. I asked him what they're doing and if this is the "big upgrade" that TWC promised and he said yes, and he specifically said "the crew is installing Fiber Optic equipment" and that "in a month or two when they flip the switch i'll see a huge increase in picture quality and i'll be very happy with the improvement". Sure enough, a month or so later i got home from work and turned my TV on and the picture was WAY better than it had ever been. Huge improvement. Back then i was using a couple of VCRs to time-shift daily news and Speedvision racing and the playback quality was now way better than before. I was very happy.

Here's a picture of the two poles in the alley directly behind my house that they were working on that day - this isn't fiber optic equipment? They said it was:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/502/IMG_25221.JPG

http://gallery.avsforum.com/data/502/IMG_2519.JPG


If this isn't the fiber optic stuff, what is it?



Fios has no compression at all on any of their channels so all their HD are broadcast between 18-25mbs. If you can not tell the difference between 8mbs and 18-25mbs then you should have your eyes checked as any HD signal you get with an over the air antenna makes TWC picture look bad. You can not tell the difference between Fios picture and over the air antenna as Fios passes the raw feeds without compressing them at all unlike cable/sat and U-Verse.I have some limited experience with FIOS at my stepson's house and at a friends' house. They both have a Panasonic 50S1. I have a 46G10 and a 42PX50U which are very similar to their TVs. FIOS on their S1s looks pretty much the same as OTA on one S1 and on my G10. One of the guys with the50S1 and FIOS also has an antenna and we could see virtually no difference between the two when switching back and forth between his FIOS DVR over HDMI and the TV's ATSC tuner. Both look excellent.

Also, i have a Tivo Series 3 connected to my roof antenna and TWC via Cablecards and when i've compared familiar local HD news broadcasts back to back the OTA version is only slightly better than the TWC feed, but my TWC feed is still better looking than the TWC signal at my friends and families houses and the difference is very noticeable.

I don't have a way to measure the bitrates etc but when i Tivo'd the same programs on OTA and Cable a few months ago in one of my comparisons, the file sizes indicated on my Now Playing List over my network are very close - maybe this can give you an idea of how much my TWC affiliate is compressing their signal:

10/20/09: CBS World News (30 min) on OTA Ch 2.1 is 3.44GB, and on cable Ch 402 it's 3.39GB.

10/21/09: FOX News 30 min OTA Ch 11.1 is 3.52GB, and on cable Ch 411 it's 3.44GB.

10/21/09: NBC News 30 min OTA Ch 4.1 is 2.91GB, and on cable Ch 404 it's 2.88GB.

10/21/09: NBC World News OTA Ch 4.1 is 3.09GB, and on cable Ch 404 it's 2.94GB.

That isn't a very big difference in file size, but i can see that OTA does look better than Cable.

If you are using Moto DCX 34XX or Moto DCH 33XX then I hate to break it to you, you on a HTC system which is fiber run to a central HTC box and then Coax cable from HTC box to everyone location on your node as those boxes require HTC signal. This is very simple to verify as you can look up the specs on for any Moto box directly at moto.com web page.

The only boxes that moto currently makes which support fiber connection directly are QIP6416 and QIP 7216. Those are the only two boxes that decode a fiber signal.

Also the fact you are using a Tivo also reaffirms the fact you are not a fiber system as TIVO can only support IRC and HTC systems and IRC is old analog cable system and HTC is system that only uses fiber to node. If Tivo support Fiber signal it would work with Fios. PS Tivo re-compress everything.

Just so you know the Moto HTC distribution node(SG4 costs $35k each) required to convert fiber to coax connection for the cmts/ubr(DM64XX or DM74XX and cheapest model cost $130k). If they are connection each house on their own SG4 then they would need more DM64xx/74xx as 64XX as each one has 18 ports on them and difference between 64xx and 74xx is support for DOCSIS 3.0.


Btw those are nice pictures of coax cable and coax distribution system.

But if you believe everything people tell you, I have a beat up pinto that really is a Bentley.

For more than 60 years, TV stations have broadcast news, sports and entertainment for free and made their money by showing commercials. That might not work much longer.

The business model is unraveling at ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox and the local stations that carry the networks' programming. Cable TV and the Web have fractured the audience for free TV and siphoned its ad dollars. The recession has squeezed advertising further, forcing broadcasters to accelerate their push for new revenue to pay for programming.

That will play out in living rooms across the country. The changes could mean higher cable or satellite TV bills, as the networks and local stations squeeze more fees from pay-TV providers such as Comcast and DirecTV for the right to show broadcast TV channels in their lineups. The networks might even ditch free broadcast signals in the next few years. Instead, they could operate as cable channels — a move that could spell the end of free TV as Americans have known it since the 1940s.
"Good programing is expensive," Rupert Murdoch, whose News Corp. owns Fox, told a shareholder meeting this fall. "It can no longer be supported solely by advertising revenues."

Fox is pursuing its strategy in public, warning that its broadcasts — including college football bowl games — could go dark Friday for subscribers of Time Warner Cable, unless the pay-TV operator gives Fox higher fees. For its part, Time Warner Cable is asking customers whether it should "roll over" or "get tough" in negotiations.

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Cable channels make most of their money by charging pay-TV providers a monthly fee per subscriber for their programing.

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Having two revenue streams — advertising and fees from pay-TV providers — has insulated cable channels from the recession. In contrast, over-the-air stations have been forced to cut staff, and at least two broadcast groups sought bankruptcy protection this year.

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Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/12/28/financial/f210935S93.DTL

If you are using Moto DCX 34XX or Moto DCH 33XX then I hate to break it to you, you on a HTC system which is fiber run to a central HTC box and then Coax cable from HTC box to everyone location on your node as those boxes require HTC signal. This is very simple to verify as you can look up the specs on for any Moto box directly at moto.com web page.

The only boxes that moto currently makes which support fiber connection directly are QIP6416 and QIP 7216. Those are the only two boxes that decode a fiber signal.I have two SA8300HD DVRs from TWC. They don't use Motorola here.


Also the fact you are using a Tivo also reaffirms the fact you are not a fiber system as TIVO can only support IRC and HTC systems and IRC is old analog cable system and HTC is system that only uses fiber to node. If Tivo support Fiber signal it would work with Fios. PS Tivo re-compress everything.?? The Tivo Series 3 and Tivo HD both work fantastic with FIOS. Lots of people on the Tivo forums use them with FIOS and they rave about it. And these Tivo's don't re-compress anything according to the Tivo forums - they pass the signal exactly as they receive it whether it's OTA or Cable or FIOS. The OTA HD picture quality on my Tivo S3 is identical to the TV's own internal ATSC tuner, and the Tivo's HD Cable picture quality is identical to what i see on my TWC SA8300HDs. I see absolutely no re-compression on either of these DVRs.


Btw those are nice pictures of coax cable and coax distribution system. But if you believe everything people tell you, I have a beat up pinto that really is a Bentley.So you're saying that Time Warner in El Segundo is not on a fiber optic system? Why would their techs and phone CSRs and a supervisor all flat out lie about it?

I have two SA8300HD DVRs from TWC. They don't use Motorola here.


?? The Tivo Series 3 and Tivo HD both work fantastic with FIOS. Lots of people on the Tivo forums use them with FIOS and they rave about it. And these Tivo's don't re-compress anything according to the Tivo forums - they pass the signal exactly as they receive it whether it's OTA or Cable or FIOS. The OTA HD picture quality on my Tivo S3 is identical to the TV's own internal ATSC tuner, and the Tivo's HD Cable picture quality is identical to what i see on my TWC SA8300HDs. I see absolutely no re-compression on either of these DVRs.


So you're saying that Time Warner in El Segundo is not on a fiber optic system? Why would their techs and phone CSRs and a supervisor all flat out lie about it?


Most cable systems are 'hybrid' systems. Fiber is used between the head end and the hubs and between the hubs and the nodes. From the node to you.... its copper.

Rather than saying your local folks are 'lying'... I would say that they really are uninformed or perhaps stretching the facts a bit... but you can pretty much be sure that you dont have fiber to your house... its coax. FiOS is the only system that I am aware of that brings fiber to the house... and they arent technically a cable company... they are a phone company. And yes.. FiOS works great with TiVo.. but there is an ONT hanging on the side of the house that converts the incoming fiber to a coax based network. With traditional cable, that ONT would be somewhat analogous to the node sitting or hanging somewhere in the neighborhood.

TiVo doesnt compress anything digital.. it records the mpeg elemental streams directly out of the transport stream. It doesnt have the horsepower to do any compression of digital sources. For analog... it could be said that TiVo 'compresses' since you can select multiple quality levels but that is probably stretching the definition of compression. Some cable companies DO rate shape (aka compress) local broadcast channels. Fortunately, mine doesnt and it appears that yours doesnt either. I spoke with our local Director of Tech Ops and he said that they do minimal processing of the locals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_fibre-coaxial

If his budget is strained, he should drop down to limited basic, which is regulated to be offered at a "reasonable" rate. Indeed, one of the realizations, with regard to this TWC/Fox issue is that if Fox "wins" then it isn't basic cable rates that will go up, to compensate, but rather expanded basic cable rates that will go up, to compensate, including an extra bump to subsidize that portion of the increased costs attributable to subscribers at the lower tier.

Good point, but it actually might end up supporting the opposite of the preference you expressed in the beginning of your message. Advertisers are realizing that they've been raped for years, paying more to advertise on television than it is probably worth to them, in terms of added revenues. We've seen the beginning of a marked downturn in the rates advertisers are willing to pay. That heralds the "decreasing profits" that you referred to in the quote, above -- specifically, "decreasing profit [that] lead... to a company that cannot take care of its and my interests". However, the company experiencing decreasing profit, in that case, would be Fox. Indeed, it is the specter of decreasing profits from commercial advertising that has prompted over-the-air broadcasters to pursue this second revenue stream, specifically, retransmission fees.

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It probably won't come to that. In the end, cable companies have competition, so if TWC doesn't agree to carry Fox, then they're going to lose subscribers to its competitors, such as Dish Network. By comparison, Fox is the only source for American Idol (for example). Some people in these forums love to rapaciously and erroneously accuse cable companies of being monopolies, but the reality is not only that the cable companies have competition, but within a specific context, the over-the-air broadcast networks are the only source for the programs that they offer. You cannot get live broadcasts of American Idol (for example) though any means other than the over-the-air Fox broadcast channel. Fox effectively has a "monopoly" :rolleyes: on American Idol episodes.

So in the end, because TWC is in a competitive marketplace, and Fox is not, Fox has the upper-hand. They won't get everything they want -- negotiations in business don't work that way -- but they won't "lose". TWC won't get its way. Fox will make gains. And then they'll try to get more, next time.

There is no good time: The cost of basic cable is regulated, and is therefore offered at a "reasonable" rate, while the cost of expanded basic will reflect what the market is willing to bear, as intended.

If FOX withdraws the availability of the network entertainment (broadcast) channel from cable carriage, then, it will not be included in "basic cable."

TiVo doesnt compress anything digital.. it records the mpeg elemental streams directly out of the transport stream. It doesnt have the horsepower to do any compression of digital sources. For analog... it could be said that TiVo 'compresses' since you can select multiple quality levels but that is probably stretching the definition of compression. Some cable companies DO rate shape (aka compress) local broadcast channels. Fortunately, mine doesnt and it appears that yours doesnt either. I spoke with our local Director of Tech Ops and he said that they do minimal processing of the locals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_fibre-coaxial

I am sorry you are correct, Fios released a Cable Card that I was unaware of as I dont qualify for FIOS, and people I know who have fios have had it for a few years. And when Fios first came out only way to get Tivo to work with Fois was having Tivo control the Fios box via IR blaster and dump the signals out via analog source. I was not aware that Tivo can out with a upgrade to specially support Fios and that Fios can out with a cable card to support Tivo. Also form reading the Fios forums this morning it seems Fios is now broadcasting local channels free and clear in QAM standard which they were not doing when they first launch Fios either.

But like the Stan54 stated and I stated before, Way cable system work and are deployed is a fiber run from Head unit to HTC box which converts the signal from Fiber to Coax and then distributed to all the houses and business on that node and pretty much every digital cable system in america does that. With TWC being no exception. And because everyone is feed off the HTC box it is a shared bandwidth system thus TWC has less bandwidth for video than Fios as they need to have more internet bandwidth available to meet the needs of everyone on that node where as Fios is able to dedicate most of their bandwidth to TV as their system uses dedicated bandwidth per customer so they don't need to reserve as much bandwidth for internet traffic.


P.S the SA8300HD boxes are actually using a worse head unit than Moto. Moto head unit currently can address higher freq's than Cisco Heads. This all could change once Cisco released their new docsis 3.0 head unit but currently only moto is shipping a Docsis 3.0 head unit. Before you freak over that above statement, if a node is deployed correctly it makes no difference if the head units uses Cisco or Moto head unit, the reason most of the new upgraded areas are being switched over to Moto from Cisco is because it is cheaper to upgrade the equipment so it can address more bandwidth using the old lines than break up the nodes into smaller nodes. But if the nodes are set up correct in theory both should have same ratio of internet bandwidth per household on the node and have the same amount left over for video. Problem is TWC took over areas from Adelphia who made most of the nodes too large and TWC fix was swap those head units out for ones that could provide more bandwidth to those areas in an effort to save money and not have to break up those large nodes into smaller ones. In some area's TWC did break up those nodes too as upgrade the equipment was not enough.

?? The Tivo Series 3 and Tivo HD both work fantastic with FIOS. Lots of people on the Tivo forums use them with FIOS and they rave about it. And these Tivo's don't re-compress anything according to the Tivo forums - they pass the signal exactly as they receive it whether it's OTA or Cable or FIOS.

First, FiOS has an ONT box where the fiber comes into your house/apartment, it's copper from there to your devices. I've yet to hear of a system that goes fiber INTO a DVR.

"Compression" goes on at the cable ops head end, not it's end user boxes, be they cable op supplied or from TiVO and Moxi.

I am sorry you are correct, Fios released a Cable Card that I was unaware of as I dont qualify for FIOS, and people I know who have fios have had it for a few years. And when Fios first came out only way to get Tivo to work with Fois was having Tivo control the Fios box via IR blaster and dump the signals out via analog source. I was not aware that Tivo can out with a upgrade to specially support Fios and that Fios can out with a cable card to support Tivo. Also form reading the Fios forums this morning it seems Fios is now broadcasting local channels free and clear in QAM standard which they were not doing when they first launch Fios either.

But like the Stan54 stated and I stated before, Way cable system work and are deployed is a fiber run from Head unit to HTC box which converts the signal from Fiber to Coax and then distributed to all the houses and business on that node and pretty much every digital cable system in america does that. With TWC being no exception. And because everyone is feed off the HTC box it is a shared bandwidth system thus TWC has less bandwidth for video than Fios as they need to have more internet bandwidth available to meet the needs of everyone on that node where as Fios is able to dedicate most of their bandwidth to TV as their system uses dedicated bandwidth per customer so they don't need to reserve as much bandwidth for internet traffic.


P.S the SA8300HD boxes are actually using a worse head unit than Moto. Moto head unit currently can address higher freq's than Cisco Heads. This all could change once Cisco released their new docsis 3.0 head unit but currently only moto is shipping a Docsis 3.0 head unit.

Note that there are two flavors of TiVo's. The one you initially refer to is a Series 2 box which cannot deal with digital cable and do support IR blasters and analog video in. The current TiVo Series 3 boxes are cablecard based and do not support IR blasters or analog inputs (such as composite or component video). The S3 TiVo works on with any cableco that supports cablecard including FiOS. There isnt a 'special' TiVo being done for FiOS.... Its the same S3 that works everywhere else.

December 29, 2009, 03:03 PM EST

By Andy Fixmer

Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) -- News Corp.’s networks chief said an agreement with Time Warner Cable Inc. to carry Fox stations is possible if the two sides make headway in talks over the next few days.

“We can get a deal done,” Tony Vinciquerra, chairman of Fox Networks Group, said today in an interview. “It is time that broadcast networks and TV stations receive appropriate value or get on the road to an appropriate value. If we are not successful, this business will be in peril.”

To contact the reporter or see the original post of this story
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2009-12-29/fox-network-chief-seeks-progress-in-talks-with-time-warner-cable.html

04:55 PM CST on Tuesday, December 29, 2009

By SHERYL JEAN / The Dallas Morning News
sjean@dallasnews.com

Time Warner Cable said Tuesday that it has a deal to keep Saturday’s Cotton Bowl game, Sunday’s Cowboys-Eagles game and Monday’s Fiesta Bowl game with Texas Christian University with the local Fox station even though it is still in negotiations with Fox owner News Corp. over network retransmission fees for other channels.

Time Warner Cable’s legal group communicated to the local Fox station on Tuesday that “federal law requires cable companies to carry broadcast stations if the station does not elect a retransmission agreement,” said Jon Herrera, a regional vice president with Time Warner Cable. Fox or parent company News Corp. had not responded as of mid-afternoon Tuesday, he said.

“We have a must carry arrangement for KDFW starting Jan. 1,” Herrera said. “We’re of the opinion that we have a deal with them.”

A Fox spokesman declined to comment.

Time Warner Cable said it plans to send an e-mail blast to customers Tuesday night and run print and TV advertisements starting Wednesday.

Time Warner Cable said it continues to negotiate with News Corp. related to other Fox channels and cable properties. The two sides were meeting face-to-face in Los Angeles on Tuesday, Herrera said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/123009dnbusCotton.27858e8c.html

if i miss even one lakers home game on fox sports west then im switching to directv.

I believe it was 1964 when we first hooked up to the cable. Offerings consisted of ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and a local cable channel that was simply an advertising screen except on rare occasions. The reason for hooking up to the cable was simply to improve the quality of the picture from the local broadcast channels. I'm sure station owners were delighted to be carried by the cable because cable improved their "punch" a great deal and increased their potential for earning advertising dollars.

It was a long time before our cable company added a couple of Boston stations to sweeten things up a bit. Slowly, other cable channels began to appear.

Then one day, the discussion for starting digital broadcasting began. In an effort to make broadcast stations more agreeable to the conversion from analog, the government told them that they could begin to demand payment from the cable companies that carried their analog signals. Naturally, cable companies could recover the payments from their customers. This was a complete game changer, but it was ok because the bottom line cost would be met by the same person that always pays the bills, .......... you and me.

From what I have read, recently, only a few stations have actually collected some money out of this because settlements involved other things considered to be of value. Now, however, we see the beginning of a big, costly problem for cable subscribers. Perhaps, it is time to draw a line in the sand.

This is why I'm on the side of all of those network/station groups. If they want a few more pennies a month for their programming, so be it. I can at least see how it's justified. Programming, movies, etc cost money. Networks have operating costs and it's only a few pennies. TWC raises their rates each year, more than just a few pennies. For no reason at all. Why is a SA 8300HD worth $7.65 today when it was on $7.35 three years ago? Or they raise their rates to cover "technology". Like this wonderful new SDV technology that still doesn't work in all areas of the system. And some areas still haven't had any of the SDV channels added, but have been paying the SDV price for six months.

I agree,

All this quibbling over Fox and keeping rates down from TWC. But they sure talked out of their other end when they added that ridiculous Digital Choice Package consisting of a whopping 5 channels for $5.00 a month extra. The other companies can get NFL Network and Red Zone, while TWC subs get crap for an additional rate like RTD TV, that I commonly call, "The Redneck Network!" LOL! What's next from TWC, with a rate hike? The Knitting Network?

Jack

If FOX withdraws the availability of the network entertainment (broadcast) channel from cable carriage, then, it will not be included in "basic cable."That's non-sequitur. There has been no indication, whatsoever, of Fox withdrawing their OTA o/o stations from cable carriage. They have made an offer for retransmission. The decision to withhold the channel, now, rests completely and totally with TWC. If the retransmission offer is accepted by a service provider, the law requires that that channel be provided on the lowest tier.

Note that I've been very clear about who's at "fault" in this thread... making it clear that for some things Fox is at fault (i.e., for increasing our cable bills to cover their demanded retransmission fees) and for other things TWC is at fault (i.e., for withholding Fox, if they so choose).

04:55 PM CST on Tuesday, December 29, 2009

By SHERYL JEAN / The Dallas Morning News
sjean@dallasnews.com

Time Warner Cable said Tuesday that it has a deal to keep Saturday’s Cotton Bowl game, Sunday’s Cowboys-Eagles game and Monday’s Fiesta Bowl game with Texas Christian University with the local Fox station even though it is still in negotiations with Fox owner News Corp. over network retransmission fees for other channels.

Hmmm, I read earlier this morning that TWC was "willing" to carry Fox stuff while they negotiated, but Fox refused, saying they'd cut the signal off from TWC if no deal was reached.

I HAD been concerned because last week the Giants final game might be significant. Now the only thing I want to hear is the team docking all players 10% of their salaries for all the games they simply didn't give a crap about by sleep walking through them!

There has been no indication, whatsoever, of Fox withdrawing their OTA o/o stations from cable carriage.

Guess you have been missing the millions Fox is spending on advertising saying TWC customers will say goodbye to all their entertainment programming (House, 24, etc.) come 1/1/10 if no deal is reached.