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AndyHDTV

03-04-06, 02:02 PM

Known Deals Done With TWC, Not Available in All Areas

PPV-HD
Movies OnDemand-HD
Adult OnDemand-HD
Showcase OnDemand-HD
TWC Movie Pass-HD
Primtime OnDemand-HD

HBO-HD
HBO2-HD
HBO Family-HD
HBO Comedy-HD
HBO Signature-HD
HBO Zone-HD
HBO Latino-HD
Cinemax-HD
MoreMax-HD
ActionMAX-HD
5StarMAX-HD
ThrillerMAX-HD
WMAX-HD
@MAX-HD
OuterMAX-HD

Showtime-HD
Showtime 2-HD
ShowCase-HD
ShowExtreme-HD
ShowBeyond-HD
ShowWomen-HD
ShowNext-HD
The Movie Channel-HD
TMCxtra-HD

Starz-HD
Starz Comedy-HD
Starz Edge-HD
Starz Kids & Family-HD
Starz In Black-HD
Starz Cinema-HD
Encore-HD

TNT-HD
TBS-HD
CNN-HD
Cartoon Network-HD
truTV-HD
TCM-HD
HLN-HD

Disney Channel-HD
ABC Family-HD
Disney XD-HD
ESPN-HD
ESPN 2-HD
ESPN News-HD
ESPN U-HD
ESPN Goal Line-HD
ESPN Deportes HD

Fox News-HD
Fox Business Network-HD
National Geographic-HD
FX-HD
Speed-HD
Big Ten Network-HD
Fox Soccer Channel-HD
Fox Soccer Plus-HD
Nat Geo Wild-HD
Fox Deportes-HD
Fuel TV-HD
Fox Movie Channel-HD

Palladia-HD
Nickelodeon-HD
Spike-HD
County Music Channel-HD
BET-HD
MTV-HD
VH1-HD
Comedy Central-HD

Universal-HD
The Weather Channel-HD
Sci-Fi-HD
Bravo-HD
USA-HD
CNBC-HD
MSNBC-HD
Oxygen-HD
GSN-HD
TV One-HD
E! Entertainment-HD
Style-HD
G4-HD
Versus-HD
Golf-HD
FEARNet-HD

A&E-HD
History Channel-HD
History International-HD
Biography-HD
Crime & Investigation-HD
Lifetime Movie Network-HD
Lifetime Television-HD

Discovery HD Theater
The Science Channel-HD
The Discovery Channel-HD
The Learning Channel-HD
Animal Planet-HD
Planet Green-HD
Investigation Discovery-HD
Discovery Kids-HD
OWN-HD (Discovery Health)

FUSE-HD
IFC-HD
AMC-HD
WE-HD
Wedding Central-HD
Sundance-HD

Food Network-HD
HGTV-HD
Travel Channel-HD
Cooking Channel-HD
DIY-HD

Hallmark Movie Channel-HD
Hallmark-HD

REELZCHANNEL-HD
Ovation TV-HD

C-SPAN-HD
C-SPAN 2-HD
C-SPAN 3-HD

RFD-HD
WGN America-HD
BBC America-HD
Jewlery TV-HD
Gospel Music Channel-HD
NHK World-HD
TV Japan HD
NASA-HD
TV Guide-HD
Galavision-HD
EWTN-HD
Africa Channel-HD
MGM-HD
QVC-HD
HSN-HD
Smithsonian-HD
MavTV-HD
The Outdoor Channel-HD
CBS College Sports-HD
The Tennis Channel-HD
NHL Network-HD
MLB Network-HD
NBA TV-HD
GolTV-HD
Sportsman Channel-HD
Game-HD (MLB Extra Innings & NHL Center Ice in HD)
Team-HD (NBA League Pass in HD)

Negotiations Unknown With TWC

Cars.TV-HD
Pets.TV-HD
Comedy.TV-HD
MyDestination.TV-HD
ES.TV-HD
Recipe.TV-HD
Centric-HD
LOGO-HD
HDNet
HDNet Movies
Wealth TV-HD
Fashion TV-HD
Hustler-HD
TBN-HD
MTN-HD
World Fishing Network-HD
NFL Network-HD
NFL Redzone-HD
Halogen-HD
Epix-HD
Epix2-HD
IndiePlex-HD
RetroPlex-HD
Movieplex-HD
RTV-HD
Funimation-HD
Sprout-HD
Sony Movie Channel-HD
CatholicTV
SI TV-HD

Disney Junior-HD (SOAPnet) --- (Channel Launching in 2012)
Universal Sports Network-HD --- (Channel Launching in 2012)
Fox College Sports-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
ShowFamilyZone-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
FLIX-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
BBN-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Qubo-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
ION Life-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
MTV2-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Chiller-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Sleuth-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
TV Land-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
Pentagon Channel-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
BTNC-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
BE Network-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)
HBCU-HD --- (Channel Launch TBA)

Links to Local TWC Threads

New York, NY – TWC
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=297592

Los Angeles, CA – TWC
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=306411

Dallas, TX – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=529070

Cleveland, OH – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=287017

Charlotte, NC – TWC
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=128876

San Diego, CA – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=376666

Raleigh, NC – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=147473

Kansas City, MO – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=234120

Columbus, OH – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=444586

Milwaukee, WI – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=463747

Cincinnati, OH – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=306883

Greenville, SC – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=322947

San Antonio, TX – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=137205

Greensboro, NC – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=137768

Buffalo, NY – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=137214

Austin, TX – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=336964

Albany, NY - HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=232530

Green Bay, WI - HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=333145

Honolulu, HI - HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=329826

Omaha / Lincoln, NE - HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=144464

Rochester, NY – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=394083

Syracuse / Utica, NY - HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=334413

Columbia, SC – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=99727

Waco / Bryan, TX – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=387012

El Paso, TX – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=256631

Charleston, SC
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=221319

Myrtle Beach, SC – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=186712

Greenville, NC – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=393419

Santa Barbara, CA – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=248309

Bakersfield, CA – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=460701

Wilmington, NC – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=254668

Erie, PA – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=389129

Palm Springs, CA – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=520724

Bangor, ME – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=233668

Binghamton / Elmira, NY – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=253210

Yuma, AZ – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=575324&goto=newpost

Dayton/Lima, OH – HDTV
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=136336

Laredo, TX
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14548333#post14548333

TWC System Sizes

AL
dothan 750MHz
Enterprise 870MHz

AZ
YUMA 870MHz SDV

CA
San Diego 750MHz SDV
Carlsbad 870MHz SDV soon
El Centro 750MHz
Desert cities 750MHz SDV
LA 750MHz,870MHz,and 1GHz Some SDV
Barstow 550MHz SDV

CO
Telluride 550MHz
Gunnison 550MHz

HI
Hawaii 750MHz SDV

ID
Moscow 870MHz
Coeur D Alene 750MHz

IN
Shawneetown 750MHz
Madison 750MHz
Terre Haute 870MHz SA/motorola system overlay

KS
Kansas City 750MHz SDV

KY
Owensboro 750MHz
Dixon/Clay 450MHz
Ashland 870MHz SDV
Central KY 870MHz SDV

ME
all of maine except lincoln 750MHz SDV
lincoln 550MHz

MA
Berkshires 550MHz
Athol 550MHz
Pittspfield 750MHz
north adams 1GHz SDV

MO
Kansas city 750MHz SDV

NE
nebraska 870MHz SDV

NH
Plymouth 750MHz SDV
Berlin 750MHz
Littleton 750MHz SDV
Conway 750MHz SDV
Keene 750MHz

NJ
NJ 870MHz

NY
Albany divis. 750MHz SDV
Rochester divis. 870MHz SDV
Buffalo divis. 750MHz SDV
CNY 750MHz SDV
utica 1GHz SDV
NYC 870MHz SDV
Hudson Valley 870MHz SDV

NC
Charlotte 750MHz SDV
Statesville 870MHz SDV
Raleigh 750MHz SDV
Greensboro 750MHz SDV
Fayetteville 750MHz SDV
Durham 750MHz SDV
Wilmington 750MHz SDV

OH
Cinci 750MHz SDV
NEO 750/870MHz SDV
Dayton 750MHz SDV
Ironton 870MHz SDV
Columbus 750MHz SDV

PA
Erie 750MHz SDV
Erie Suburban 870MHz SDV
Franklin 550MHz
Corry 750MHz SDV

SC
most of SC 750MHz SDV
hilton head 870MHz SDV
cheraw 870MHz SDV

TX
Dallas 870MHz SDV soon
Austin 750MHz SDV
San Antonio 750MHz SDV
El paso 750MHz SDV
Golden triangle 870MHz
Laredo 870MHz
Rio Grande Valley 870MHz
Kerrville 870MHz
Columbus 550MHz
Yokum 550MHz
Wichita Falls 750MHz
Greenville 750MHz (SDV soon ?)
Eagle pass 550MHz
uvalde 870MHz
Corpus Christi 870MHz

VA
Tazwell 550MHz
Keene Mountain 550MHz

WA
pullman 870MHz

WI
Greenbay 750MHz SDV
Milwaukee 750MHz SDV

WV
Clarksburg 870MHz SA/motorola overlay system

illini

03-04-06, 05:14 PM

best news of the day.

gillcup

03-04-06, 05:42 PM

Does anyone know if TMC-HD will be added to the SHOWTIME package or will it be a separate package?

AndyHDTV

03-04-06, 05:51 PM

Does anyone know if TMC-HD will be added to the SHOWTIME package or will it be a separate package?

I would imagine that it won't. If you subscribe to TMC then you will receive TMC-HD.
But also we have to wait for an offical announcement, then wait for our local TWC divisions to free up space to add it.

AndyHDTV

03-06-06, 10:52 PM

From LonghornXP

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthr...?t=51362&page=4

"I called Fred and this is what I was told should be coming soon.

TMC HD within weeks (deal is done so weeks is the launching of it on the various systems).

Cinemax HD is expected to have a deal in a couple of weeks.

ESPN2 HD will be done before the start of baseball.

MTV HD and NGC HD are being worked on but no ETA yet but we might see them before or around the summer.

Starz HD and Starz On Demand will be at least 4th QT of 2006 wait.

I hope this helps you all out."

swamphhh

03-06-06, 11:08 PM

I would imagine that it won't. If you subscribe to TMC then you will receive TMC-HD.
But also we have to wait for an offical announcement, then wait for our local TWC divisions to free up space to add it.

I read in this months bill that IFC is moving to the TMC package as of March 29th in Charlotte. I'm not sure were it is on other systems. I wonder if that channel reorder will also bring the HD channel to that package.

ENDContra

03-07-06, 06:32 AM

I would imagine that it won't. If you subscribe to TMC then you will receive TMC-HD.
But also we have to wait for an offical announcement, then wait for our local TWC divisions to free up space to add it.

I have Showtime but have not subscribed to TMC, however I get TMC...so Im guessing maybe these are packaged together? If so, Id hope TMC-HD would be included (sure would make the price for Showtime-HD more worthwhile).

gillcup

03-07-06, 06:24 PM

I have Showtime but have not subscribed to TMC, however I get TMC...so Im guessing maybe these are packaged together? If so, Id hope TMC-HD would be included (sure would make the price for Showtime-HD more worthwhile).

I should have clarified that TMC (non-HD) is part of the Showtime package here in Raleigh. So I'm hoping that TMC-HD will added as part of the Showtime package rather than them breaking off TMC into a separate package.

TheRock

03-07-06, 09:04 PM

Wow. You guys are lucky. Not only for the channels you are going to be receiving but also because your Cable Provider actually tells you the status of negotiations. Cox doesn't comment on any channels until they are already added to the lineup.

AlbanyHDTV

03-26-06, 12:28 PM

My Email:
"Mr. Dressler, Can you tell me if their are any updates for these Hd channels?
Are you Still Negotiating, or finalizing agreements?
1.CINEMAX-HD
2.TMC-HD
3.Wealth TV-HD
4.Outdoor Channel 2-HD

Also It was said that Universal-HD will be removed after the Olympics in NYC. I know it's because we have no more available bandwidth. Why exactly is the ETA of Switched Digital Video for NYC such a secret. I know that Digital Simulcast has been completed but I can't get information on when SDV will be active in NYC?"

Response:
"cinemax is almost done, tmc is done, and neither wealth nor outdoor are in the works. i don't know the schedule for SDV. the local systems are making that call"

Future HD channel update

ESPN2-HD - hopeful to have espn2hd in time for baseball.
STARZ-HD - End of the year at the earliest
CINEMAX-HD – is almost done
TMC-HD - is done
Wealth TV-HD - are not in the works
Outdoor Channel 2-HD – are not in the works
MHD (MTV) - will take many months to conclude.
National Geographic-HD - No Word
Food Network-HD - Scripps has not yet made us a proposal.
HGTV-HD - Scripps has not yet made us a proposal.

It's been 3 weeks since this post.

No Cinemax HD or ESPN HD. It's one week from the start of baseball.

HDTV-NUT

03-26-06, 01:02 PM

It's been 3 weeks since this post.

No Cinemax HD or ESPN HD. It's one week from the start of baseball.
TWC has ESPN HD. You mean ESPN2HD.

You didnt really think that we would get these channels in such a short amount of time did you? We wont have any new HD channels for atleast a couple of months at the shortest.

hall

03-26-06, 01:16 PM

What was left out in addition to the reply saying "the local systems are making that call", they also make the call on adding those channels that corporate TW has made deals on. Just because Cinemax and TW have a deal to carry Cinemax-HD, for example, doesn't mean that ALL local divisions will turn it on the following day... or month... or ever.

AlbanyHDTV

03-26-06, 01:22 PM

Yes, I meant ESPN2 HD. We did have SportsNetNY HD added to the IPG last week here in Albany, NY. I started a thread on that. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=656643) However, there has been no programming shown on the HD channel to date. The first Mets home game will most likely be the 1st HD program.

I had two reasons to post the "no Cinemax or ESPN 2" comments. First, to "bump" the thread and second, to question the validity of the timeline in the original post.

AndyHDTV

03-26-06, 03:09 PM

If I don't hear anything by April 1st I will be contacting the VP for more info. I'm trying to give them at least one month from the last info I got from them so they can tie up any loose ends in their contracts & delivery of the content.

keep an eye on the Columbia,SC & Austin,TX threads as I believe those markets have the ablility to add more HD content as soon as it's available.

AlbanyHDTV

04-03-06, 03:50 PM

If I don't hear anything by April 1st I will be contacting the VP for more info.

Well, it's April 3rd and there are 3 HD games on ESPN2HD today.

Any news?

ReplayJanitor

04-03-06, 09:01 PM

From toadfannc at satelliteguys (http://www.satelliteguys.us/showpost.php?p=525429&postcount=45):
I just e-mailed Dressler about ESPN2HD being added before MLB opening day (as he and others have led us to believe for months now). Well ... surprise, surprise-- he's changed his tune.

He reports no progress in adding ESPN2HD or the NFL Network. If you're like me and love sports, this might just be the last straw. Come on Verizon Fios!!

TVBob

04-03-06, 09:08 PM

No one else is getting the nfl network anytime soon.

AndyHDTV

04-03-06, 10:20 PM

Well, it's April 3rd and there are 3 HD games on ESPN2HD today.

Any news?

I sent an email last week and still have had no response. Either he's on vacation or jus has no comment.

TMSKILZ

04-03-06, 11:23 PM

From toadfannc at satelliteguys (http://www.satelliteguys.us/showpost.php?p=525429&postcount=45):

Wow that completely sucks man.

It's 4/3/06 & still no ESPN2-HD, it's too bad, b/c Cablevision-NYC/NJ HD package puts our TWC-NYC HD package to shame. The recent additons of WPIX-HD (CH.711) & SNY-HD(CH.741) are nice additions, but we need more. I read today that Dish Network SAT has added more HD CHs to their HD package, which to date number about 14 HD Chs (formerly the Vo0m network) they just added a new HD Gaming CH to their HD package.

TWC-NYC HD service is a slow work in progress, all we can do is pray & wait in frustration! :(

ready71

04-07-06, 08:53 PM

Remember this: expect the worse from Time Warner cable. The massive profits from Time warner cable are used to pay the debt from the failed Time Warner and AOL deal. Time Warner offers the least service for the highest price. I will believe that they are offering ESPN2HD when I can tune it on my TV. The only reason I still have TWC is because I can't get satellite because of the trees on my property. Personally, I can't understand why anyone has TWC.

mpgxsvcd

04-08-06, 09:24 PM

Personally, I can't understand why anyone has TWC.

Let's see!

1. I get 14 HD channels all at full bandwidth 1920x1080 or 1280x720.
2. I get on demand which I don't care about but my wife loves.
3. I have the 8300HD DVR which is perfect for my needs(2 tuners, DD, 160 Gig HD, SATA capability now, and HDMI). Other people hate it but it works for me.
4. And probably the single biggest reason. Road Runner cable modem! 8 gigabits down stream and a very respectable 400 kilobits/sec upstream for $40/month.

All of this isn't cheap $136 a month. Try to get this with satellite. You can't get the true HD and you will never get the internet speeds I get with TWC.

Hiatt66

04-09-06, 08:06 AM

Try 8 MBits/sec. :) 8 GBits/sec would rock!!!!! :eek:

ready71

04-09-06, 10:28 AM

1. I get 14 HD channels all at full bandwidth 1920x1080 or 1280x720.

You get what the network source passes to TWC. TWC then compresses the digital signal. This is exactly what DirecTV does.

2. I get on demand which I don't care about but my wife loves.

I have multiple Tivo units, so I haven't used On Demand, but I could see how some people could like it.

3. I have the 8300HD DVR which is perfect for my needs(2 tuners, DD, 160 Gig HD, SATA capability now, and HDMI). Other people hate it but it works for me.

Personally, I found the SA DVR to be the biggest piece of !!!! I ever used.

4. And probably the single biggest reason. Road Runner cable modem! 8 gigabits down stream and a very respectable 400 kilobits/sec upstream for $40/month.

For me, my friends and my neighbors, Roadrunner has been nothing but problems. Slow speeds and constant disconnects. I switched to Verizon FIOS in November and it has been exactly what Verizon said it would be: 15Mb/s down and 2 MB/s up. I haven't had a single problem. It is also less expensive than RR. I'm also saving money because with FIOS I can use Vonage. My RR connection was so bad, that I couldn't stick with Vonage.

When I had RR, it was advertised at 6Mb/s down (not Gb/s). I usually got around 3 Mb/s down.

All of this isn't cheap $136 a month.

I did the research and DirecTV is cheaper and offers more channels. Especially the channels I want: ESPN2HD, GolTV, ESPN Deportes and Setanta. TWC does not offer any of these channels.

HDTVFanAtic

04-10-06, 01:30 AM

1. I get 14 HD channels all at full bandwidth 1920x1080 or 1280x720.

You get what the network source passes to TWC. TWC then compresses the digital signal. This is exactly what DirecTV does.

In correct, while TWC might recompress the digital signal, directv downconverts it to 1280x1080i, unlike TWC.

In every instance of comparison, TWC has beaten DirecTV in terms of PQ.

Depending on where you live, Directv *MAY* beat TWC in terms of number of HD Offerings - but not by much.

ready71

04-10-06, 09:58 PM

directv downconverts it to 1280x1080i

Can you provide a link to this?

TWC has beaten DirecTV in terms of PQ

J.D. Power and Associates
2005 Residential Cable/Satellite TV
Customer Satisfaction Study

DirectTV was second (missed 1st by one point).

Time Warner Cable was 7th (below industry average).

kevinivey

04-10-06, 10:52 PM

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=650955&highlight=hd+lite

mpgxsvcd

04-11-06, 01:48 AM

Try 8 MBits/sec. :) 8 GBits/sec would rock!!!!! :eek:

sorry yes 8 megabits downstream is correct. 8 Gbits per sec definitely would rock. You know what I mean though.

mpgxsvcd

04-11-06, 01:54 AM

[I]4. And probably the single biggest reason. Road Runner cable modem! 8 gigabits down stream and a very respectable 400 kilobits/sec upstream for $40/month.

For me, my friends and my neighbors, Roadrunner has been nothing but problems. Slow speeds and constant disconnects. I switched to Verizon FIOS in November and it has been exactly what Verizon said it would be: 15Mb/s down and 2 MB/s up. I haven't had a single problem. It is also less expensive than RR. I'm also saving money because with FIOS I can use Vonage. My RR connection was so bad, that I couldn't stick with Vonage.

When I had RR, it was advertised at 6Mb/s down (not Gb/s). I usually got around 3 Mb/s down.

Well TWC is rock solid for Cable modems arround here 8 Mb/sec down and 400 kb/sec is what I get all day every day. Now if FIOS was an option I would probably dump TWC in a heart beat. I would give anything for 2 mb/sec upstream. That is actually enough to stream 540p Hd content over. TWC will have to step it up when FIOS arrives here. That probably won't be for another 2 or 3 years though. You FIOS users are really lucky!

swamphhh

04-11-06, 09:24 AM

I'm not a mod, but can we steer this thread back on topic? It should be about new HD on TWC, not about internet service or PQ versus D*.

mlbUC

04-11-06, 09:30 AM

I'm not a mod, but can we steer this thread back on topic? It should be about new HD on TWC, not about internet service or PQ versus D*.

What, you don't want to see the whole D* PQ sucks thread again? ;)

patrickpiteo

04-11-06, 09:35 AM

LIsten I have both D* and TWC and the PQ side by side does look better on TWCNY..

HDTVFanAtic

04-12-06, 03:20 AM

directv downconverts it to 1280x1080i

Can you provide a link to this?

I'll go you one better:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3929/hdnetdish9rp.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hdnetdish9rp.jpg)

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5010/bluelagondirectv2hn.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bluelagondirectv2hn.jpg)

TWC has beaten DirecTV in terms of PQ

J.D. Power and Associates
2005 Residential Cable/Satellite TV
Customer Satisfaction Study

DirectTV was second (missed 1st by one point).

Time Warner Cable was 7th (below industry average).

I didn't say Directv beat Time Warner in terms of Customer Satisfation - I said they beat them hands down in Picture Quality of HD. Learn the first rule of research about comparing apples to apples.

Go find a HD Study - not a Cable Study.

This is about Picture QUALITY, not ignorance.

And let's not forget the #3 Airline in Customer Satisfaction, Independence Air went out of business before the rankings were released 2 weeks ago.

ready71

04-12-06, 06:55 PM

HDTVFanAtic

04-13-06, 03:32 AM

I was wrong about DirecTV HD and I stand corrected. But, I would still rather have HD-Lite than no HD (the original topic was about ESPN2HD, etc).

SD: 640x480=307,200 pixels
HD-Lite: 1280x1080=1,382,400 pixels

If you read my original post, other than the last sentence, they are all facts. The last sentence was opinion. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Interesting when proven wrong people claim its a flame war, but whatever.

Let's look again at the original statement:

1. I get 14 HD channels all at full bandwidth 1920x1080 or 1280x720.

You get what the network source passes to TWC. TWC then compresses the digital signal. This is exactly what DirecTV does.

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Proven Wrong

[QUOTE=ready71]

I have multiple Tivo units, so I haven't used On Demand, but I could see how some people could like it.

Ok...making headway - Your statement is that you don't use On Demand, which will assume is true.

Personally, I found the SA DVR to be the biggest piece of !!!! I ever used.

While not as good as a Tivo, neither will the new Directv HD DVRs - as they won't be TIVOs and cannot have identical functionality without a patent lawsuit.

Since we don't know what !!!!! you have used, we are unable to judge if its the biggest piece of !!!!! you have ever used and must take your word for it.

For me, my friends and my neighbors, Roadrunner has been nothing but problems. Slow speeds and constant disconnects. I switched to Verizon FIOS in November and it has been exactly what Verizon said it would be: 15Mb/s down and 2 MB/s up. I haven't had a single problem. It is also less expensive than RR. I'm also saving money because with FIOS I can use Vonage. My RR connection was so bad, that I couldn't stick with Vonage.

When I had RR, it was advertised at 6Mb/s down (not Gb/s). I usually got around 3 Mb/s down.

Why you went with Directv instead of FIOS for HD is the real mystery here, but FIOS clearly has better prices and higher speed. RoadRunner is high priced and different systems have different levels of performance. And if you are in the .1% of the country that has FIOS, you should go for it. However, if you are in the other 99.9% of the country, Cable might be the best you can get at this time.

The good news is competition is good for EVERYONE.

I did the research and DirecTV is cheaper and offers more channels. Especially the channels I want: ESPN2HD, GolTV, ESPN Deportes and Setanta. TWC does not offer any of these channels.

Again these were based on your individual circumstance, which is what all decisions should be based on - A KNOWLEDGABLE CONSUMER.

You are congratulated for doing your homework and deciding that 1 HD Channel and 3 SD channels were worth more to you than better quality HD.

At this point ALL HD DECISIONS are compromises.

You made compromises and so must the OP.

But those do not make Directv the slam dunk over TWC that you make it out to be.

HDTV-NUT

04-13-06, 12:23 PM

Its about quality vs quanity to me. In that regard, TWC is far superior to D* or E* in my area.

kjpjr

04-13-06, 03:48 PM

Its about quality vs quanity to me. In that regard, TWC is far superior to D* or E* in my area.

If TW would give us what the customer wants -- ESPN2HD, ESPNU, NFL Network for example but they keep adding god shows to my list -- must be to keep GW happy. I wish I could have a dish but I live in a condo with no exclusive use areas outside so no dish so we are stuck with what TW wants us to have not what I would like to have.

ready71

04-13-06, 07:22 PM

As I said, read my original post.

The only reason I still have TWC is because I can't get satellite because of the trees on my property.

I have FIOS internet. Most areas with FIOS internet still don't have FIOS TV avaialable. That's my case.

Ken H

04-13-06, 08:35 PM

Enough of the personal comments. Keep on topic.

AndyHDTV

04-24-06, 12:33 AM

I'm getting annoyed, at the beginning of march was when I got all my info on future HD channels. After waiting and waiting I emailed dressler again in the beginning of April with no response. I will be dropping an email sometime this week.

future HD channel update

TMC-HD - "done"
CINEMAX-HD – "is almost done"
ESPN2-HD - "we are working hard to get espn2 on very soon.
MHD (MTV) - "will take many months to conclude."
STARZ-HD - "End of the year at the earliest"
Food Network-HD - "Scripps has not yet made us a proposal."
HGTV-HD - "Scripps has not yet made us a proposal."
Wealth TV-HD - "are not in the works"
Outdoor Channel 2-HD – "are not in the works"
NFL Network-HD - "the nfl net is not likely to be on soon. "
National Geographic-HD - No Word
A&E-HD - No Word
Sleuth-HD - Late 2006

this is crazy just about 2 months since I got that info and no change.
If TMC is done what's holding it up. And by now CINEMAX & ESPN2 should be done as well.

WTF

kmj0577

04-24-06, 01:07 AM

You get what the network source passes to TWC. TWC then compresses the digital signal. This is exactly what DirecTV does.

Interesting because at least my local TWC doesn't.

John Mason

04-24-06, 10:37 AM

Here's news (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7535754&&#post7535754) (see sublink) about TWC and so-called switched broadcasting or video I posted in my local TWC thread. Google sent me an e-mail yesterday listing the link, a newer Google feature that monitors news items for you.

Regarding whether TWC 'compresses' network sources: Cable folks often deny it. As this 2003 Broadcast Engineering article (http://broadcastengineering.com/aps/acquisition/broadcasting_dtv_digital_cable/index.html) points out, cable firms certainly 'repackage' HD signals. They strip away some or all PSIP data (channel/program information), plus any subchannels within the 19.39-Mbps (OTA) channel signal not being relayed by cable. Then, varying amounts of rate shaping may be employed, such as removing null zeros--'filler' data sent to complete a transmission format--that doesn't influence PQ. Rate shaping can involve requantization, modifying MPEG-2 video without having to decode it. "This process achieves further bit-rate reductions. But requantization is a lossy process and, under stressful conditions, it may result in artifacts," the article notes. "Rate-shaping systems perform best when reducing rates by less than 25 percent," it adds. Also, programs delivered at constant bit rates may be changed to variable bit rates (VBR), then the VBR may be reduced.

Next, whether rate-shaped or not, video is combined with other programs (remultiplexed), often using statistical multiplexing (statmuxing), which allocates bit rates between a number of channels depending on detail and motion present at each instant. Statmuxing high bit rate channels such as sports with mostly talking-head sources helps ensure capacity is available when it's needed. "A disadvantage of this process is that the coincidence of high motion and high detail in two or more program streams can adversely affect the picture quality of a third, low-motion, low-detail program," notes the article.

Cable STBs can limit effective resolution (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=2640272#post2640272) (resolvable detail) to <1300 lines. Using HDNet test patterns relayed by NYC's TWC, my SA8300HD measures (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5175424#post5175424) 1290 lines. Another cable STB, from RCN, delivered 1335 line resolution. And remarkably, a briefly used SA8000HD from NYC's TWC only provided 890 resolvable lines. Measured effective resolution (~1280 resolvable lines from 1920X1080) differs from 1920X1080 reformatted to 1280X1080 (DirecTV's 'HDLite') since a delivered 1280X1080-re-formatted signal must still be MPEG decoded in homes, which reduces effective resolution.

Of course, using HDNet test patterns to estimate received video quality generally isn't necessarily valid. A cable company could easily 'tweak' the video quality of one or more channels. With so many variables involved, perhaps only unbiased professional organizations, using calibrated spectrum analyzers or similar gear, could pin down how much cable-delivered HD/SD video quality differs from that delivered to head ends by video sources. -- John

AndyHDTV

04-25-06, 08:08 PM

Everybody here please email TWC and share your thoughts on new HD channels.
We all have a couple minutes to spare to post here so please Email Corporate.

Fred.Dressler@twcable.com

Let's be civilized.

temtexdent

04-25-06, 08:15 PM

Harley_Dude

04-26-06, 03:02 PM

I sent him a note, will post any reply here for all to read.

scott_bernstein

04-26-06, 04:04 PM

Done. Let's all join in!
Done as well. Made sure to stress that I want more of the premium movie channels in HD, which will result in more subscription fees from me since I refuse to subscribe to any movie channel w/o an HD feed.....

HDTV-NUT

04-26-06, 04:52 PM

Posted this in the local raleigh thread also..

Ok, got a call back. The local VP for raleigh told me that ESPN2HD is going to be launched very soon here in raleigh. he does hold some credit with me because this is the same guy that told me that Universal will be here to stay after the olmypics before anyone else knew.

he is actually on his way to a meeting in Wilmington and one of the topics is HD programming for our area. he said he will give me a call back again when the meeting is over and he has new info. for now though, he says ESPN2HD launch in raleigh is very soon and many of the other are in the works.

Harley_Dude

04-26-06, 09:32 PM

Here's what I got back from Fred...looks like ESPN2 is coming soon but we are S.O.L. on the NFL Network. I will have to switch back to DirecTV this fall if they can't get this work out by football season :(

Dressler, Fred wrote:
> thanks for your inquiry. we are working hard to get espn2 on very soon. the nfl net is not likely to be on soon.

ready71

04-26-06, 09:50 PM

we are working hard to get espn2 on very soon

Could he be any more vague and non-committal?

AndyHDTV

04-26-06, 10:29 PM

Could he be any more vague and non-committal?

It least he got an answer, I'm still waiting for mine. & I probably won't get a reply.

Please, Let's all keep posting our Questions & replies as we get them.

ready71

04-26-06, 11:12 PM

He got a response to his email. I don't think he got an answer.

ReplayJanitor

04-26-06, 11:26 PM

Posted this in the local raleigh thread also..

Ok, got a call back. The local VP for raleigh told me that ESPN2HD is going to be launched very soon here in raleigh. he does hold some credit with me because this is the same guy that told me that Universal will be here to stay after the olmypics before anyone else knew.
my understanding of very soon is anything between 2 weeks and 3 months. do you know if the Raleigh launch will be the start of a national rollout or is it somehow just a local deal? Anyway, let us know when you are able tune into ESPN2HD on cable over there in Raleigh.

HDTV-NUT

04-27-06, 09:34 AM

my understanding of very soon is anything between 2 weeks and 3 months. do you know if the Raleigh launch will be the start of a national rollout or is it somehow just a local deal? Anyway, let us know when you are able tune into ESPN2HD on cable over there in Raleigh.
He didnt say if it would be on here in Raleigh first or not. He just sounded really sure that it will be very soon. I will let you know when he calls me back after the meeting.

scott_bernstein

04-28-06, 12:22 PM

Pleasent, but no information. At least we know someone is reading our comments.....

"thanks for your thoughful note. we are trying to offer as much HD as we can. we
have technical and economic considerations to worry about, but we are diligently
working on adding more content."

ready71

05-03-06, 06:58 PM

"thanks for your thoughful note. we are trying to offer as much HD as we can. we have technical and economic considerations to worry about, but we are diligently working on adding more content."

In light of the massive profits released by Time Warner Cable today, I wonder what "economic considerations" he's talking about?

AndyHDTV

05-06-06, 02:50 PM

HDTVFanAtic

05-06-06, 03:05 PM

AndyHDTV - you are being played like a chump as are others. And the other poster said the ESPN2 was done and would be on by first pitch of MLB according to FD.

If there were any truth to these posts, then where is TMC-HD which you posted he said was done over 2 months ago?

This is no different that posters absolutely believing that the Voom channels on Dish would be back to 1920x1080i in days after their launch on 5/1/2005 and was only done that way as they quickly moved from Rainbow 1 to Dish as the distribution.

AndyHDTV

05-06-06, 03:16 PM

I'm completely tired of all this BS, I tried to be proactive and try to get answers but It has left all of us even more drained.

those who have not yet emailed, please do so now, as I can no longer get a response back myself.

and please continue posting your Questions & responses as you get them.

Fred.Dressler@twcable.com

HDTVFanAtic

05-06-06, 04:59 PM

The fact is you are being played just as Gary Murrel was with Dish. He even admits it now.

As they said on the X-Files, "I want to believe", but in the words of Jerry MaGuire, "Show Me The Money!"

ReplayJanitor

05-06-06, 09:57 PM

From a user in another forum
viamadeu:

sorry guys, I don't have have good news. This is what Mr. Dresler answered to my email about the possible addition of ESPN2 HD to TWC (email dated 05/05)

" Nobody wants to offer this more than we do. Espn is withholding this
service from us until we agree to pay them for some things that are
totally unrelated. We are working hard to get this for you, but I can't
promise it will happen in time for this world cup. Sorry. "

I guess this means that out hopes are slim...

http://www.hdtvoice.com/voice/showthread.php?p=151515#post151515
Mega corporation owns 17 channels (or however many channels Disney owns). If another mega corporation want to get a certain channel, all of the other channels come into the negotiation. A la carte, please!

Well, I'm paying for HD. If a World Cup game is not available to me on ESPN2HD, I'll watch on an SD station other than ESPN2. That's my little boycott.

kevinivey

05-07-06, 07:47 AM

A very sad thread.

ready71

05-07-06, 08:49 PM

Fred Dressler's answer is insulting. He writes: "Espn is withholding this
service from us until we agree to pay them for some things that are
totally unrelated."

Let's see, ESPN loses revenue and Time Warner saves money. It must be ESPN's fault.

Writing to this guy might make you feel good, but it's a waste of time. They are making record profits. They have no reason to offer more service.

If you want ESPN2HD, get Dish or DirecTV (if you can). Otherwise, get over it.

I don't like being so blunt, but you are only making yourself upset over a situation you have no impact on. It's a hard lesson to learn, but it is one I learned a while ago. I never believed for a second that I would have ESPN2HD in time for the World Cup.

viamadeu

05-09-06, 01:50 PM

Hi guys

I just wanted to confirm that I did receive an email from Mr. Dressler regarding ESPN2 HD. I wish I was making it up as someone suggested, but unfortunately I did receive it...

I think it is a good idea to watch the games in another channel as a protest! If you don't mind Spanish, Univision is showing the games in NYC.

AndyHDTV

05-09-06, 03:25 PM

from a member in my local TWC NYC thread
ecwlukeny:

Amusing reply..dont know who to believe..

Mr Dressler,

Im a loyal TWCNYC customer, paying $194.00 a month for all the services
Time Warner provides. Premium channels, internet, digital phone etc.
Im somewhat disapointed that you guys do not offer more HD channels, but
that is another story...

Is there any hope, that we will at least have ESPN2HD in time for World
Cup?!. This is an event that only happens every 4 years...Im sure it is
not as simple as pulling the switch and the channels shows up,
negotiations take time and i understand that, but you must agree ESPN2HD
has been on air for a significant period of time where some kind of
deal, even temporary one could of been reached, just for the showing of
World Cup...I just do not understand why in the greatest market in the
US, Time Warner always screws us.. Im hopefull that i will hear from you
regarding this issue.

Respectfully,

I'm glad you are a "loyal" customer and sad that you feel that "time
warner always screws us." it's sad, because we often are trying to do
the right thing for our customers and get blamed, as in this case, for
the greed and abuse of others (like disney/espn).

We are entitled to the espn2hd feed now and want to give it to you at no
additional cost. Short of suing disney/espn, which would take years, we
are trying to negotiate to get it on. Disney is demanding lots of
additional things that will cost you even more money (that's why you
think time warner is screwing you) when all we want is for espn to
delivery what they are already obligated to do.

Still, we are hopeful to add espn2hd this year, regretfully that is
likely to be after the world cup.

badboyspack

05-09-06, 03:47 PM

I will watch the best picture availible, I dont care who is getting screwed.

If im paying for it, then I will watch it.

There needs to be more HD channels period!

LL3HD

05-09-06, 03:54 PM

Respectfully,

I'm glad you are a "loyal" customer and sad that you feel that "time
warner always screws us." it's sad, because we often are trying to do
the right thing for our customers and get blamed, as in this case, for
the greed and abuse of others (like disney/espn).

We are entitled to the espn2hd feed now and want to give it to you at no
additional cost. Short of suing disney/espn, which would take years, we
are trying to negotiate to get it on. Disney is demanding lots of
additional things that will cost you even more money (that's why you
think time warner is screwing you) when all we want is for espn to
delivery what they are already obligated to do.

Still, we are hopeful to add espn2hd this year, regretfully that is
likely to be after the world cup.

I find this explanation to be absurd.

If TW already receives espn2 -- there should not be anything to discuss with Disney regarding the HD feed.

If I’m wrong and Disney is making unjustifiable demands with TW then TW should bring this to the attention of their customers and share holders. Let the public voice their discontent with this greedy mouse. :rolleyes:
I don’t buy it.

Spend a dime, TW, take out an ad and let the world know.
Fat chance.

viamadeu

05-09-06, 05:30 PM

As you can see, Mr. Dressler's last response is not so inconsistent with what he told me. He put the blame on Disney, and said that ESPN2 HD is not going to be available for the world cup. Too bad...

I agree that the explanation does not seem to make much sense. Why can't twc allow us (the costumers) to decide whether we want to pay for the extra channel or not?

kjpjr

05-09-06, 06:57 PM

What would TW ever do if the customer could get what they wanted! I pay $7 a month now for ESPN HD plus some other channels we never watch unless there is a HD hockey or baseball game on them so what would be a few more bucks to get 2HD. TW is not going to let anyone push them around -- they will show us! There is no way I can put a dish up at our condo so I am stuck with TW and what they want us to have. Their last additon was a religious channel in spanish and a full time fishing channel! BTW I have done all the research about the dish and condo's, we do not have an exclusive use area for the dish, cannot put one up, cannot be done.

ca1avera

05-09-06, 07:21 PM

I searched but was not able to find the information. Does anyone know what games are going to be on ESPN2 HD? Thanks.

badboyspack

05-09-06, 07:45 PM

These are the channels that I get here in FL, Bright House Cable

High Definition Channels

1020 WESH (NBC) HD
1021 WESH 2 Weather Plus DT (all weather, not in HD)
1060 WKMG (CBS) HD
1061 WKMG-DT DT (all weather, not in HD and the sound is way to loud)
1090 WFTV (ABC) HD
1091 WFTV-DT DT ( all weather, not in HD)
1123 HD Movies on Demand IC
1124 WMFE(PBS)-HD DT (waste of a channel, not in HD)
1125 WMFE-ED DT (waste of a channel, not in HD)
1126 WMFE-CFAN DT (waste of a channel, not in HD)
1127 WMFE-Encore DT (this channel is not currently on as Encore)
1135 WOFL (FOX) HD
1150-53 WCEU (PBS)-DT DT (waste of a channel, not in HD)
1165 WRBW (UPN) HD (maybe 10% are in HD)
1180 WKCF (WB) HD
1243 HBO HD HDP
1259 Showtime HD HDP
1300 INHD HDK
1301 INHD2 HDK
1302 HDNet HDK
1303 HDNet Movies HDK
1304 Universal HD HDK
1311 TNT HD HD
1329 ESPN HD HDK
1341 Discovery HD Theater HD

dave1216

05-09-06, 07:49 PM

I may be in the minority here, but I agree in principle with what TWC is trying to do. ESPN is the one screwing us, not TWC. Why are we being charged extra for them converting to HD which they have to anyway? TWC is not allowed to carry the HD feeds (including ESPN2) without extra cost. What trend does this set? As each channel converts to HD, then we will get charged for each channel that gets added? TW is trying to hold the line. They tried to hold out on ESPN but guys, including me, wanted it. But if your cable bill gets to $200/month for all the HD add ons, that won't work will it. Only a la carte will solve that, and the chances of that are remote.

fredfa

05-09-06, 07:57 PM

I searched but was not able to find the information. Does anyone know what games are going to be on ESPN2 HD? Thanks.

Googling “World Cup US TV Schedule” brought me here:

http://www.soccertv.com/wc-us.cfm

According to the following schedule, there are 29 games on ESPN2, all in HD:

Group Phase:
Match # Date Kickoff Time (Eastern) Group Match English Spanish
1 Fr Jun 9 12noon A Germany vs Costa Rica ESPN2 Univision
2 Fr Jun 9 3pm A Poland vs Ecuador ESPN2 Univision
3 Sa Jun 10 9am B England vs Paraguay ABC Univision
4 Sa Jun 10 12noon B Trinidad vs Sweden ABC Univision
5 Sa Jun 10 3pm C Argentina vs Ivory Coast ESPN2 Univision
6 Su Jun 11 9am C Serbia vs Netherlands ESPN2 Univision
7 Su Jun 11 12noon D Mexico vs Iran ABC Univision
8 Su Jun 11 3pm D Angola vs Portugal ESPN2 Univision
9 Mo Jun 12 9am F Australia vs Japan ESPN2 Univision
10 Mo Jun 12 12noon E United States vs Czech Republic ESPN2 Univision
11 Mo Jun 12 3pm E Italy vs Ghana ESPN2 Univision
12 Tu Jun 13 9am G Republic of Korea vs Togo ESPN2 Univision
13 Tu Jun 13 12noon G France vs Switzerland ESPN2 Univision
14 Tu Jun 13 3pm F Brazil vs Croatia ESPN2 Univision
15 We Jun 14 9am H Spain vs Ukraine ESPN2 Univision
16 We Jun 14 12noon H Tunisia vs Saudi Arabia ESPN2 Univision
17 We Jun 14 3pm A Germany vs Poland ESPN2 Univision
18 Th Jun 15 9am A Ecuador vs Costa Rica ESPN2 Univision
19 Th Jun 15 12noon B England vs Trinidad ESPN2 Univision
20 Th Jun 15 3pm B Sweden vs Paraguay ESPN Univision
21 Fr Jun 16 9am C Argentina vs Serbia ESPN2 Univision
22 Fr Jun 16 12noon C Netherlands vs Ivory Coast ESPN2 Univision
23 Fr Jun 16 3pm D Mexico vs Angola ESPN Univision
24 Sa Jun 17 9am D Portugal vs Iran ESPN2 Univision
25 Sa Jun 17 12noon E Czech Republic vs Ghana ABC Univision
26 Sa Jun 17 3pm E Italy vs United States ABC Univision
27 Su Jun 18 9am F Japan vs Croatia ABC Univision
28 Su Jun 18 12noon F Brazil vs Australia ABC Univision
29 Su Jun 18 3pm G France vs Republic of Korea ABC Univision
30 Mo Jun 19 9am G Togo vs Switzerland ESPN2 Univision
31 Mo Jun 19 12noon H Saudi Arabia vs Ukraine ESPN2 Univision
32 Mo Jun 19 3pm H Spain vs Tunisia ESPN2 Univision
33 Tu Jun 20 10am A Ecuador vs Germany ESPN Univision
34 Tu Jun 20 10am A Costa Rica vs Poland ESPN2 TeleFutura
35 Tu Jun 20 3pm B Sweden vs England ESPN Univision
36 Tu Jun 20 3pm B Paraguay vs Trinidad ESPN2 TeleFutura
37 We Jun 21 10am D Portugal vs Mexico ESPN Univision
38 We Jun 21 10am D Iran vs Angola ESPN2 TeleFutura
39 We Jun 21 3pm C Netherlands vs Argentina ESPN Univision
40 We Jun 21 3pm C Ivory Coast vs Serbia ESPN2 TeleFutura
41 Th Jun 22 10am E Ghana vs United States ESPN Univision
42 Th Jun 22 10am E Czech Republic vs Italy ESPN2 TeleFutura
43 Th Jun 22 3pm F Japan vs Brazil ESPN Univision
44 Th Jun 22 3pm F Croatia vs Australia ESPN2 TeleFutura
45 Fr Jun 23 10am H Saudi Arabia vs Spain ESPN Univision
46 Fr Jun 23 10am H Ukraine vs Tunisia ESPN2 TeleFutura
47 Fr Jun 23 3pm G Togo vs France ESPN Univision
48 Fr Jun 23 3pm G Switzerland vs Republic of Korea ESPN2 TeleFutura
Round of 16:
Match # Date Kickoff Time (Eastern) Match English Spanish
49 Sa Jun 24 11am A1 vs B2 ABC Univision
50 Sa Jun 24 3pm C1 vs D2 ESPN Univision
51 Su Jun 25 11am B1 vs A2 ABC Univision
52 Su Jun 25 3pm D1 vs C2 ESPN Univision
53 Mo Jun 26 11am E1 vs F2 ESPN Univision
54 Mo Jun 26 3pm G1 vs H2 ESPN Univision
55 Tu Jun 27 11am F1 vs E2 ESPN Univision
56 Tu Jun 27 3pm H1 vs G2 ESPN Univision
Quarterfinals:
Match # Date Kickoff Time (Eastern) Match English Spanish
57 Fr Jun 30 11am 49 vs 50 ESPN Univision
58 Fr Jun 30 3pm 53 vs 54 ESPN2 Univision
59 Sa Jul 1 11am 51 vs 52 ABC Univision
60 Sa Jul 1 3pm 55 vs 56 ESPN Univision
Semifinals, 3rd Place, and Final:
Match # Date Kickoff Time (Eastern) Match English Spanish
61 Tu Jul 4 3pm Semifinal 1: 57 vs 58 ESPN Univision
62 We Jul 5 3pm Semifinal 2: 59 vs 60 ESPN Univision
63 Sa Jul 8 3pm 3rd Place ESPN Univision
64 Su Jul 9 2pm Final ABC Univision

badboyspack

05-09-06, 07:58 PM

Why would ESPN try to screw the people when they already have ESPN in HD.

I would like to think they have enough HD cameras to broadcast in HD.

I wonder if its just a Time Warner thing ?

fredfa

05-09-06, 08:03 PM

Is ESPN perhaps trying to get TWC to pay an HD surcharge for all subscribers, HD or not??

That is what the cable companies which own InHD have been doing to DirecTV and Dish -- making them pay for all "digital" subs -- which in the case of DBS is everyone.

ESPN and Disney of course are famous for their hardline insistence that everyone must get ESPN (and ESPN2) as "basic" channels. Which sounds great, except that it means everyone must then pay the $2.60+ for ESPN and $2.00 or so for ESPN2 whether they watch the channels or not. (Or at least the cable and satellite companies have to pay for every sub.)

And at least two-thirds of the nation never watches either channel.

ca1avera

05-09-06, 08:06 PM

10 Mo Jun 12 12noon E United States vs Czech Republic ESPN2 Univision
11 Mo Jun 12 3pm E Italy vs Ghana ESPN2 Univision
13 Tu Jun 13 12noon G France vs Switzerland ESPN2 Univision
14 Tu Jun 13 3pm F Brazil vs Croatia ESPN2 Univision
15 We Jun 14 9am H Spain vs Ukraine ESPN2 Univision
17 We Jun 14 3pm A Germany vs Poland ESPN2 Univision
42 Th Jun 22 10am E Czech Republic vs Italy ESPN2 TeleFutura
58 Fr Jun 30 3pm 53 vs 54 ESPN2 Univision

Eight games that I really wanted to see in HD....oh well. Thanks for the information.

AndyHDTV

05-09-06, 08:33 PM

I believe it is time to go another route.

George.Bodenheimer@ESPN.com
VP of Programming at ESPN

ready71

05-09-06, 09:53 PM

Let’s parse Mr. Dressler’s response:

“we often are trying to do the right thing for our customers”

Often? Not always? So, he admits that at times, TWC is NOT doing the right thing for their customers.

“get blamed, as in this case, for the greed and abuse of others (like disney/espn).”

I send my check to TWC. If you take the money, you have to take the blame when customers are not happy.

“We are entitled to the espn2hd feed now”

How can he say this? If you are entitled, then put it on. Otherwise, shut up.

“Disney is demanding lots of additional things that will cost you even more money”

Disney never asked me for a penny. All I know is my cable bill goes up and up. With the record profits TWC is reporting, this guy has some serious nerve to blame it on Disney.

“likely to be after the world cup.”

Likely? Why can’t he ever answer a question honestly? How about: ESPN2HD will not be on in time for the World Cup. I’m sorry that I led you to believe that it would be. I made a mistake and I take responsibility for it. Clearly, Time Warner Cable failed its customers in not providing ESPN2HD in time for the World Cup. We realize that a lot of people were looking forward to this.

This guy is a typical salesman. I deal with them all the time. Always with their hands out, never a clear honest answer and always ready to blame someone else.

AndyHDTV

05-09-06, 10:18 PM

u should send that to him, it makes a lot of sense.

HDTVFanAtic

05-10-06, 01:56 AM

I believe it is time to go another route.

George.Bodenheimer@ESPN.com
VP of Programming at ESPN

How many threads did you manage to spam this message in?

10?
15?
20?
50?
100?

What makes you any better than someone trying to send me spam email?

Stan54

05-10-06, 10:29 AM

LL3HD

05-10-06, 11:07 AM

Rarely do you run into a person with as little insight as you apparently possess.

:confused:
What a profound post. :rolleyes:
Why not share some of your insights with the rest of us.

LL3HD

05-10-06, 11:19 AM

.. but I agree in principle with what TWC is trying to do. ESPN is the one screwing us, not TWC. Why are we being charged extra for them converting to HD which they have to anyway? TWC is not allowed to carry the HD feeds (including ESPN2) without extra cost. What trend does this set? As each channel converts to HD, then we will get charged for each channel that gets added? TW is trying to hold the line. They tried to hold out on ESPN but guys, including me, wanted it. But if your cable bill gets to $200/month for all the HD add ons, that won't work will it. Only a la carte will solve that, and the chances of that are remote.
Is this really true? Or, are these insinuations based solely on e mails spun from a biased source? If there is corroborating verification, please post it.

I would think that if a network is trying to charge extra for the HD feed—this would be big news.

AndyHDTV

05-10-06, 11:42 AM

How many threads did you manage to spam this message in?

10?
15?
20?
50?
100?

What makes you any better than someone trying to send me spam email?

excuse me for trying to give people information, not spam.

scott_bernstein

05-10-06, 12:07 PM

Is this really true? Or, are these insinuations based solely on e mails spun from a biased source? If there is corroborating verification, please post it.

I would think that if a network is trying to charge extra for the HD feed—this would be big news.
Not sure it's about charging extra for the HD feed -- oftentimes they'll tie negotiations about other channels that they own (non-ESPN related -- Disney, Toon Disney, ABC Family, others) into the negotiations for something like ESPN2-HD -- last time (5+ years ago), I recall the snag in their negotiations being about the fact that Disney wanted Disney Channel to be on the "standard tier" available to all customers, while TWC wanted it to remain a premium channel (which it was at the time). Guess who won out?

Often, the negotiations have to do with how much the provider (Disney) wants from TWC from other (crappy) channels that nobody watches, or it will have to do with Disney trying to strongarm TWC into carrying some channel that it doesn't want....

LL3HD

05-10-06, 12:22 PM

last time (5+ years ago), I recall the snag in their negotiations being about the fact that Disney wanted Disney Channel to be on the "standard tier" available to all customers, while TWC wanted it to remain a premium channel (which it was at the time)....
I remember that dispute. It was covered daily ad nauseam in the local news with both sides spinning their versions for public support.

I’m curious as to why, if this current info were true, TW is not soliciting public pressure on Disney as it did back then, or, why isn’t Disney putting their story out there too.

I realize that these negotiations are behind closed doors and press releases would affect the big picture….but we already have these e mails from TW (Dressler) out there—so the cat is already out of the bag.

viamadeu

05-10-06, 01:53 PM

Hi Andy

I agree with you, let's try to email ESPN to find out more info on what is going on. Not that I think this will change anything, but it seems to be the only thing we can do at this point. Why do some people think this is spam?

scott_bernstein

05-10-06, 01:56 PM

I remember that dispute. It was covered daily ad nauseam in the local news with both sides spinning their versions for public support.

I’m curious as to why, if this current info were true, TW is not soliciting public pressure on Disney as it did back then, or, why isn’t Disney putting their story out there too.

I realize that these negotiations are behind closed doors and press releases would affect the big picture….but we already have these e mails from TW (Dressler) out there—so the cat is already out of the bag.
I'm sure this is not making the public radar because the percentage of people who are HDTV-knowledgeable, are aware of ESPN2-HD, and also care about the World Cup is very small. (Compared to the number of people who watch Disney Channel or WABC). So we're not making enough waves.

Maybe someone on this board who cares should contact the newsroom at the Daily News or NY Post to tip them off to the story? Seems like exactly the type of thing they'd love to cover (especially The Post, being owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp which owns Fox, which has their own history of contentious negotiations with TWC -- recall when they had to sue TWC to get them to carry Fox News?).

Just another avenue to attack this front on, for those who are motiviated....

Scott

Ursa

05-10-06, 02:53 PM

I’m curious as to why, if this current info were true, TW is not soliciting public pressure on Disney as it did back then, or, why isn’t Disney putting their story out there too.
When was the last time a MSO won out against a content provider? I certainly do not remember one. My guess is that any kind of publicity tends to work against MSOs since it gives notice to the diehards to mobilize while the 2/3+ of people who don't care, well, don't do anything.

A la carte is the ultimate answer, and I hope that our chances of getting it are much better than "remote". I will guess that if we got ALC, it would probably blow-up ESPN's and Disney's business models with all of the guaranteed rights fees they have agreed to for the next 5+ years to pro sports leagues. I, for one, won't pay more than $1/mo. for ESPN (SporsCenter every now and then is about it). That means that the diehards will really have to think about cranking out $20+/mo ($15 in pass-through fees, plus a profit margin) for ESPN alone.

Here in Houston, TWC has put ESPN-HD in a tier with UHD, HDN and HDNM. If they add E2-HD, then I'd love for that to be its own tier, and lower my price for what I actually watch. But that won't happen. :)

Later,
Bill

scott_bernstein

05-10-06, 04:43 PM

A la carte is the ultimate answer, and I hope that our chances of getting it are much better than "remote". I will guess that if we got ALC, it would probably blow-up ESPN's and Disney's business models with all of the guaranteed rights fees they have agreed to for the next 5+ years to pro sports leagues. I, for one, won't pay more than $1/mo. for ESPN (SporsCenter every now and then is about it). That means that the diehards will really have to think about cranking out $20+/mo ($15 in pass-through fees, plus a profit margin) for ESPN alone.
Agreed -- I am not a sports fan, and have read that sports channels like ESPN charge the MSOs more than double what other non-sports networks charge.

To a non-sports viewer, it seems to me that my money is being wasted. I could probably narrow down my channel choices to under 20, and most of them would be ones that have low fees.....

ReplayJanitor

05-10-06, 06:08 PM

from a member in my local TWC NYC thread
ecwlukeny:

Amusing reply..dont know who to believe..

...

I'm glad you are a "loyal" customer and sad that you feel that "time
warner always screws us." it's sad, because we often are trying to do
the right thing for our customers and get blamed, as in this case, for
the greed and abuse of others (like disney/espn).

We are entitled to the espn2hd feed now and want to give it to you at no
additional cost. Short of suing disney/espn, which would take years, we
are trying to negotiate to get it on. Disney is demanding lots of
additional things that will cost you even more money (that's why you
think time warner is screwing you) when all we want is for espn to
delivery what they are already obligated to do.

Still, we are hopeful to add espn2hd this year, regretfully that is
likely to be after the world cup.
It's hard to believe this e-mail is authentic. How is TWC "entitled" to ESPN2HD's feed, yet it still has to "negotiate to get it on"? Contradiction #1. Again, how is ESPN obligated to deliver ESPN2HD, but they get to bargain and demand "lots of additional things"? Contradiction #2. Maybe it's just poor wording from Mr. Dressler and what he really wants to say is that TWC has the option to get ESPN2HD now if they meet certain contractual conditions (like adding ESPNU to the digital tier -- oh, goodness what a chore TWC!). That or he really is trying to confuse us.

BTW, another list of ESPN2's World Cup games (there will other games repeated on ESPN2 in addition to these):
http://www.worldcup2006ontv.com/tv-station/ESPN2

scott_bernstein

05-10-06, 08:16 PM

It's hard to believe this e-mail is authentic. How is TWC "entitled" to ESPN2HD's feed, yet it still has to "negotiate to get it on"? Contradiction #1. Again, how is ESPN obligated to deliver ESPN2HD, but they get to bargain and demand "lots of additional things"? Contradiction #2. Maybe it's just poor wording from Mr. Dressler and what he really wants to say is that TWC has the option to get ESPN2HD now if they meet certain contractual conditions (like adding ESPNU to the digital tier -- oh, goodness what a chore TWC!). That or he really is trying to confuse us.

BTW, another list of ESPN2's World Cup games (there will other games repeated on ESPN2 in addition to these):
http://www.worldcup2006ontv.com/tv-station/ESPN2
Actually, I have corresponded with this particular contact myself, and it does sound like his writing.

My read on the email is that the TWC exec believes that they are "entitled" to the feed, but, apparently, Disney thinks otherwise -- probably pending some other contract re-negotiation point that Disney is holding out for. That is the contridiction.

dave1216

05-11-06, 04:10 PM

Is this really true? Or, are these insinuations based solely on e mails spun from a biased source? If there is corroborating verification, please post it.

I would think that if a network is trying to charge extra for the HD feed—this would be big news.
I don't have time to go look for evidence from a couple years back. But my memory from reading the papers, this site, and the evidence that TW did not carry ESPNHD for awhile was that Disney wanted extra money to carry the HD version of the channel...and TW fought it for about a year.

ready71

05-11-06, 09:52 PM

Maybe someone on this board who cares should contact the newsroom at the Daily News or NY Post to tip them off to the story? Seems like exactly the type of thing they'd love to cover (especially The Post, being owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp which owns Fox, which has their own history of contentious negotiations with TWC -- recall when they had to sue TWC to get them to carry Fox News?).
Scott

That's a good idea. At least we might get ESPN's side of the story.

Does anyone know Mark McGuire who writes for the Albany Times Union? He wrote a scathing article about Time Warner Cable a few months ago.

HDTVFanAtic

05-12-06, 01:11 AM

HDTVFanAtic

05-12-06, 01:13 AM

swamphhh

05-12-06, 05:17 PM

I don't have time to go look for evidence from a couple years back. But my memory from reading the papers, this site, and the evidence that TW did not carry ESPNHD for awhile was that Disney wanted extra money to carry the HD version of the channel...and TW fought it for about a year.\

Disney may also be fighting to keep it out of an HD tier or tying it to moving other Disney channels off the digital tier and into "standard" cable.

This is the problem that the cable companies frequently face from the programmers. If it was just straight up money then I'm sure TWC could put ESPN2-HD, NFL-HD and any other channel in a HD sports tier or HD variety tier and charge extra to get it in order to cover the rights fee. The issue is that the programmers not only want increased fees to show the programming but they also want to dictate where and how the cable company delivers the channel. TWC probably would love to charge just the HD viewer $3 for HD whatever, but they don't want to have raise the rates $3 on every customer just to show a few thousand special viewers Hd soccer.

Redmond_Horn

05-12-06, 06:41 PM

I can certainly see TWC not wanting to raise rates just to carry ESPN2 since rates would rise for everyone with only a small portion watching it but there has to be more to it than just this issue. I could see Disney trying to dicate package carriage deals as well as higher fees but on the other hand, why are D* and E* able to get a deal in place for ESPN2? Wouldn't Disney have the same fees/package requirments and yet they seemed to get it done and on the air? Is it that DBS is cheaper so easier to just raise rates a little to eat this cost compared to cable which is generally more expensive or are they negotiating from a stronger position with Disney than cable (I wouldn't think so).

It seems that cable across the board (Comcast also is delayed in getting ESPN2) seems to have more issues acquiring channels because of their tiered level of service where as DBS has more issues with the bandwidth to show extra channels which cable does not have.

ready71

05-12-06, 07:06 PM

Redmond_Horn,

You raise some interesting questions.

I can see how these questions are not covered in general purpose media, but are there trade journals out there that look into these types of questions?

ryan2112

05-12-06, 09:17 PM

dennis1

05-13-06, 02:33 AM

So its not looking good for espn2 hd by June 9th. Why don't we trow our effort at getting TWC to similcast espn2 SD on digital cable. My espn2 is analog and shows the graininess often. Maybe a digital similcast is an acceptable option.I used to have TW in Orange County, CA. On that system, there was a significant difference in the analog vs. digital tier of channels. The analog channels were much grainier. It was fairly obvious on those channels that were carried on both tiers.

However, I now have TW Desert Cities, and there is absolutely no difference between the pictures on the digital vs. the analog tier. They're all pretty bad.

ready71

05-15-06, 10:07 PM

I really wish ESPN would show the final of the Champions League on ESPN HD and not ESPN2 HD. Considering there are about 150 baseball games per year, couldn't ESPN switch these two programs?

Does any business care about customers anymore?

dpwicz

05-15-06, 10:35 PM

dennis1 ESPN2 on the digital tier (Channel 433) is the same analog broadcast as on the analog tier (Channel 33) as with all of the similcast channels.

dennis1

05-16-06, 02:21 AM

dennis1 ESPN2 on the digital tier (Channel 433) is the same analog broadcast as on the analog tier (Channel 33) as with all of the similcast channels.Seems like a waste of bandwidth, simulcasting those analog channels on digital, doesn't it?

ReplayJanitor

05-16-06, 03:52 AM

viamadeu

05-18-06, 01:25 AM

Hi guys

I thought that the quality of the picture was much better than the usual standard in ESPN2 in the broadcast of the Champions League final today. Is it possible that a simultaneous HD broadcast increases the quality of the picture that we get in the regular channel? This would be good news for the world cup. Did you have the same impression? (if you watched the game, of course. I feel sorry for you if you did not, because this was an absolutely amazing game!)

dpwicz

05-18-06, 08:54 PM

dennis1 no extra bandwidth is used the digital channel is basically just a link to the analog channel.

viamadeu content shot with HD camera will look better on analog TV, however it is still not digital quality.

dennis1

05-19-06, 02:00 AM

dennis1 no extra bandwidth is used the digital channel is basically just a link to the analog channel.Really? That's very interesting. Thanks for the info.

John Mason

05-19-06, 09:12 AM

Is it possible that a simultaneous HD broadcast increases the quality of the picture that we get in the regular channel?
Seems logical that a downconversion (to 480i) from a 1080i or 720p scanned broadcast would have better fidelity than original 480i camera scanning. (As outlined here (http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4778947#post4778947), such downconversions, even with home converters, make images appear sharper, at the same resolution, by widening the MTF [modulation transfer function] curve.) See Matt Cowan's "Black Paper," (http://www.etconsult.com/papers/Black%20Paper%20Matt%20Cowan.pdf) page 26 of 36. Upconverted programs on H/DTV channels, like true HD, can use up to ~19 Mbps compared to the same program on an SD digital cable channel with only ~40/8-12 Mbps. And the same program on an analog channel would have 6 MHz of bandwidth, but must undergo NTSC's heavy filtering and of course lacks digital compression, (although overly compressed digital 480i often appears similar to analog 480i here). Some details on what various networks are doing would be useful. -- John

viamadeu

05-19-06, 08:28 PM

Thanks for the technical info. I know it is a bit of a consolation prize, but it still makes me happy!

AndyHDTV

05-26-06, 06:28 PM

My Email:
Can you tell me when TW will have HD versions of Cinemax, The Movie Channel & Starz?
I know Cablevision carries all of the premiums in HD for their customers. I myself have been waiting patiently for well over a year and have been wasting money in the hopes that I would get these channels.The only premiums that I watch is HBO & Showtime and that's only because they have an HD version for me. I looks like I will be canceling my subscripstions to some premium channels that I can't bare to watch in SD.

Dressler's Response:
"it would appear that with current plant upgrade plans, these HD services will be made available sometime in "07."

OMG. I'm cancelling all my premiums except hbo & Showtime until january 07'. If they have any competence at all it better be up and running by then.

HDTVFanAtic

05-27-06, 01:27 AM

If this guy is quoting a local build out as the issue, this guy is local.

TWC will not hold up a carriage agreement with a company because one market hasn't built out.

Again, this guy Dressler is useless for information. He's as bad as Brine for misinformation.

45 days ago it was a done deal nationwide. Now its a build out issue for NY?!?!?!?

Come on!!!!!!

You guys are being jerked around.

HDTV-NUT

05-27-06, 10:31 AM

Ursa

05-27-06, 11:11 AM

Why would ESPN try to screw the people when they already have ESPN in HD.
Because ESPN is known to be philanthropic when it comes to negotiating rates and "serving the fans"? Seriously, it would be harder for me to believe that ESPN wasn't playing hardball with a carriage agreement. It is their easiest way to renegotiate agreements to work in their favor...

Later,
Bill

scott_bernstein

05-30-06, 11:38 AM

45 days ago it was a done deal nationwide. Now its a build out issue for NY?!?!?!?
I believe it /is/ a build issue for NYC, as they do consistently claim that they are completely out of space for new channels.

HDTVFanAtic

05-31-06, 02:11 AM

I believe it /is/ a build issue for NYC, as they do consistently claim that they are completely out of space for new channels.

As stated before, as much as New Yorkers believe that the world rotates around them, TWC will not hold up signing national carriage agreements waiting for the NYC buildout.

They will sign them and let the local systems handle them when the room is there.

Thus, this guy is speaking for NY TWC - not TWC INC and its very obvious to me he knows less than the regional people I talk with.

Considering Manhattan was ultra-late to the cable game, its a good thing too.

hphase

06-01-06, 01:26 PM

Considering Manhattan was ultra-late to the cable game, its a good thing too.
Ultra-late? Manhattan has had Cable TV since the mid-1960s. And from two companies!

If you want to talk about being ultra-late to cable, that distinction would belong to the outer borough of Queens in New York City. They didn't get cable until the mid 1980s, and then only because you couldn't get the franchise for Manhattan unless you agreed to wire the "hinterlands."

Now the world might not revolve around NYC (in some people's estimation) but New York City isn't nearly monolithic as those from "East of the Hudson" might think it is.

AndyHDTV

06-01-06, 11:22 PM

http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/06/01/cable-companies-continue-to-strugle-with-limited-bandwidth/

HDTVFanAtic

06-02-06, 03:17 AM

Ultra-late? Manhattan has had Cable TV since the mid-1960s. And from two companies!

If you want to talk about being ultra-late to cable, that distinction would belong to the outer borough of Queens in New York City. They didn't get cable until the mid 1980s, and then only because you couldn't get the franchise for Manhattan unless you agreed to wire the "hinterlands."

Now the world might not revolve around NYC (in some people's estimation) but New York City isn't nearly monolithic as those from "East of the Hudson" might think it is.

You might want to check that and read your own post....

In fact, the people from MTV were very pissed because most of Manhattan was not wired for cable and it was really only brought together in the mid 80s.

How can you have have cable in Manhattan when even you said:

They didn't get cable until the mid 1980s, and then only because you couldn't get the franchise for Manhattan unless you agreed to wire the "hinterlands."

How can you have cable in NYC from 2 companies since 1960 when it was the carrot used to get the "hinterlands" wired as you called it.

Again, some very small areas of Manhattan were wired....but most of Manhattan was unserved until the mid 80s.

AndyHDTV

06-05-06, 12:52 PM

Marcus Carr

06-05-06, 01:56 PM

We are happy to make Starz HD available to them free of charge. They just have to decide to take it and make room for it on their cable system.

If only everyone had the same attititude (yeah, I'm talking to you, Disney).

posg

06-05-06, 04:15 PM

If only everyone had the same attititude (yeah, I'm talking to you, Disney).

The showdown of the new millenium: The Wabbit versus The Mouse.

I'm just wondering which one of the critters has dug deeper into my pockets over my lifetime. :D :D :D

dc10forlife

06-06-06, 09:33 PM

My Email:
Hello Mr.Southwick, I was told by a executive at Time Warner Cable that STARZ-HD could possibly finally be added to it's lineup later this year.

There are many Starz subscribers that own HD sets and have been patiently waiting for this channel for years now and are on the brink of canceling.

I recently canceled my Starz subscription because I can't bring myself to watch the standard definition version of Starz anymore on my HD set.

So, will TWC be getting STARZ-HD before the end of the year?

Unfortunately I can't get Dish network as I heard they will be adding STARZ-HD.

Mr.Southwick:
This is entirely the decision of Time Warner. We are happy to make Starz HD available to them free of charge. They just have to decide to take it and make room for it on their cable system.
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hear that folks, all we need is a slot for this channel, that's all!!! what's TW's excuse now. Some markets have the space for it some don't, just add it.

This is interesting -- and has got me thinking. While we've wanted to blame the content providers, perhaps TWC is a little smarter than we give it credit for. The number of households with an HDTV is skyrocketing. TWC knows that adding StarzHD will increase the number of subscribers to Starz programming. So, from TWC's view, why shouldn't Starz share some of this additional revenue with TW for the additional bandwidth being taken? In other words, TWC should get a bigger cut of the per subsciber fee in proportion to the increase bandwidth being used by Starz. Competition is the only thing that really prevents this type of strategy.

AndyHDTV

06-07-06, 07:19 PM

this is from another forum:

LorghornXP:
"I'll tell you exactly what the problem is with this channel. First Starz is telling you a little white lie while TWC also is a big part of this problem too.

First Starz "will not" give TWC a contract for Starz HD without Starz On Demand and Encore On Demand. Now Starz also wants all customers to get all Starz services free of charge which includes the On Demand services. So if you order Starz that customer gets Starz On Demand at no extra charge.. Also if you order the Encore package Starz wants all Encore customers to get Encore On Demand at no extra charge too.

Now TWC wants to be allowed to charge extra for these On Demand services if they so please. Right now nearly all TWC areas give customers On Demand access to all premium channels they subscribe to if they order two or more premium channels. Now TWC doesn't count Starz and Encore so if you order Starz and HBO only you must still pay an extra 6.95/month for Premiums On Demand just to get HBO On Demand. But if you order Showtime and HBO you will get HBO On Demand and Showtime On Demand at no extra charge.

I hope your picking up what I'm trying to say. So in simple terms if a customer just ordered Starz TWC wants to be able to charge that customer an extra 6.95/month for Starz On Demand while Starz wants Starz On Demand to be free for Starz customers no matter what they order.

Now the TWC contract with Starz Encore Group runs out around years end so I expect TWC to cave in and accept Starz's terms or risk losing access to all Starz channels. In simple terms TWC knows they will have to cave in but they are just waiting as long as they can until their contract runs out.

Do you notice how many other cable companies who offer Starz HD also offer Starz On Demand at no extra cost. This isn't just by chance its for a reason. Now Starz doesn't require satellite companies to carry Starz On Demand as they aren't able todo so which is why you see Dish Network with Starz HD. Also notice that Verizon also carries Starz HD, Starz On Demand and Encore On Demand as part of their 11.95/month movie package which also includes Showtime On Demand, TMC On Demand, Showtime HD and TMC HD."

AndyHDTV

06-09-06, 02:46 AM

LonghornXP

06-09-06, 07:40 AM

Wow the nations largest cable company, Comcast added ESPN2-HD and nations 2nd largest cable company TWC did nothing.

Let's all give TWC a round of applause for their hard work!!!

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=147565&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=870634&highlight=

TWC might endup being the biggest loser of a company when it comes to sports this year. Lets see what they will be missing. ESPN2 HD which is a big channels missing but lets not forget about the good old NFL because its insult enough to tell all your HD customers they won't see ESPN2 HD but to tell them they can't see 8 extra NFL games this year because they also want to be the only frickin company that doesn't offer NFL Network. I must be honest in that yes Comcast isn't perfect but I'm so glad I'm not living in Florida hell with the cable company from hell called BHN. I'm in a frickin rural area in New Hampshire and I have more On Demand offerings, more HD channels including "all" local HD channels, ESPN2 HD and NFL Network along with a nice good old all digital lineup with my digital boxes. Even better I'll soon have Tivo software with my dual tuner Comcast box. Also my bill for their triple play service at its regular price is what I paid with a 25/month off pro with BHN for the same exact services. To make this even better I'm getting my service for 50 bucks less per month for the next 12 months as a new customer compared to BHN.

I'm sorry to start TWC and BHN bashing but I must be honest because I see no way a person in a much more rural area should be getting way way way way way more value from their cable company compared to where I was in Florida with almost 800,000 people in the same space only 15,000 people are in. No frickin way that should ever occur but that is BHN for you. I will say that I know many people bash Comcast and I admit that no company is perfect but from a person who had BHN in Tampa Bay Comcast is like Verizon in that they are just so much of a jump in quality, offerings and pricing.

Cain

06-09-06, 09:50 AM

Did you guys see this in the other thread?? Maybe there is hope for us TWC subscribers ???

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"Disney, ESPN's papa, had been holding ESPN2 HD as part of negotiations to get its entire channel lineup on Comcast. As of early this week, HDTV-subscribing soccer fans were likely to pay the price, with 33 of 64 World Cup games slated for ESPN2. But the companies worked out a deal for the one channel, beginning with the Germany-Costa Rica opener at 9 a.m. today and continuing most prominently with U.S.-Czech Republic on Monday."

chief17

06-09-06, 10:09 AM

Does Time Warner have an HD PPV channel? I want to order the Hopkins/Tarver fight tomorrow night and I was wondering if I would be able to see it in HD. Thanks for the help.

Harley_Dude

06-09-06, 03:33 PM

TWC could potentially lose me as a customer this fall if DTV has their HD locals in San Antonio up and running. I will not tolerate the lack of the NFL Network and ESPN2-HD when TWC could have added this in time for the NFL season.

dpwicz

06-09-06, 10:29 PM

chief17 TWC does have a HD PPV channel

AndyHDTV

06-18-06, 10:30 PM

Apparently Starz-HD and Cinemax-HD has popped up in TEXAS on TWC!!!

San Antonio, TX:
http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?t=69061

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7847102#post7847102

Austin, TX:
http://www.hdtvoice.com/voice/showthread.php?t=26114

Cain

06-18-06, 10:32 PM

I'm dying for ESPN2 HD.

-- Cain

patrickpiteo

06-19-06, 09:38 AM

Harley_Dude

06-19-06, 10:03 AM

The channel guide in San Antonio has been updated. Here's a snapshot showing MaxHD on 182 and StarzHD on 183. I called this morning and added MaxHD for an additional $4.75 over my current package.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d72/bebrewer1/DSCN0102.jpg

HDTV-NUT

06-19-06, 10:55 AM

Well. its a start. I guess this means that TWC has struck a deal with both StarzHD and MaxHD. Its all up to the local providers now onw how long we will have to wait..

scott_bernstein

06-19-06, 11:35 AM

Does that mean we have hope of them to show up here in NY?
Only if TWC decides to stop sucking up all of its bandwidth for phone and internet service.....

posg

06-19-06, 12:31 PM

Only if TWC decides to stop sucking up all of its bandwidth for phone and internet service.....

phone and internet actually take up very little bandwidth.

AlbanyHDTV

06-19-06, 05:36 PM

Does anyone know Mark McGuire who writes for the Albany Times Union? He wrote a scathing article about Time Warner Cable a few months ago.Link to this article. (http://albanyhdtv.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=Lineup&action=display&thread=1143213849)

ADGrant

06-20-06, 12:00 PM

Harley_Dude

06-20-06, 12:08 PM

Only problem is DTV doesn't really have anything in HD.

You can make the technical argument, however, HD Lite football is better than NO HD football at all :)

mpgxsvcd

06-20-06, 01:01 PM

You can make the technical argument, however, HD Lite football is better than NO HD football at all :)

Give me macroblock free football or give me a radio. With the radio at least I can imagine the perfect picture while listening to the broadcast. There are no macro-blocks in my head, Baby!

scott_bernstein

06-21-06, 04:52 PM

phone and internet actually take up very little bandwidth.
Phone, maybe, but I can't see how you can claim that their high speed internet doesn't take up much bandwidth....

viamadeu

06-21-06, 05:11 PM

I was watching the Argentina vs. Netherlands game, and they announced the two round-of-16 games on the weekend (the afternoon games that will not be broadcast by ABC) on ESPN2, not ESPN. That means no HD for us (TWC subscribers once again).

Can that be right? I checked all schedules on the web, including on ESPN.com, and they all list all games from Saturday on on ESPN (not ESPN2), with the exception of one quarter-final. Please tell me that the announcers made a mistake!!! I had been worried about that because I saw ESPN2 and not ESPN on TWC website, but I thought it was a mistake by TWC.

sasmallen

06-21-06, 08:31 PM

Phone, maybe, but I can't see how you can claim that their high speed internet doesn't take up much bandwidth....

When you compare it to video, I don't think it does.

dj9

06-21-06, 08:48 PM

Phone, maybe, but I can't see how you can claim that their high speed internet doesn't take up much bandwidth....

IIRC I think one DOCSIS channel provides 27MBit of bandwidth.

Assuming 500 total customers per node, and 1/3 of them using Road Runner, that's 167 Road Runner customers. I would think that they can use more than one channel, so with 3-4 channels for Road Runner per node, I think they'd be just fine.

There's no question that voice does not take up very much bandwidth at all. One uLaw (the optimum voice codec for VoIP) channel is 64k/s, and that 27MBit stream could comfortably hold 250-300+ calls.

As for video content taking up more bandwidth, that is definitely true. The diagnostic 611/999 menu on your box, if you can get it to it, will let you see the frequencies of any given channel. A TV with a QAM tuner will show you the regular channel numbers of the digital channels. Digital channels start at 73 here and go up all the way to 121, with a few channels with no digital av content at all (probably internet) and all and a few analog channels.

Here, it seems like all of the Music Choice channels are on cable channel 90. Since most of the digital cable channels are encrypted, I can't access them on my TV directly, but the TV will detect and attempt to tune them. They did forget to encrypt the 70s channel for some reason, so I can watch/listen to that one. There are about 40-45 digital channels on channel 90. Since the video is encoded at a ridiculously low bitrate, there is lots of room for the audio (which I suspect isn't encoded at a very high bitrate either).

There are many digital channels that I can't view/hear on my TV because they are encrypted. Analog channels seem to have anywhere from 5-20 digital channels in them (except for Music Choice, which is 40+).

The HD channels usually have no more than 4 streams on one channel. Channel 80 has NBC, NBC weather, PBS "test channel", and PBS. 104 has ABC and FOX. 108 has CBS, UPN, and UPN's music station. As for premiums, 113 has INHD2, Showtime West, and HBO West.

Conclusion?
Based on my estimations, two to three HD channels take about as much bandwidth as anywhere from one fifth to one half of a node's internet customers. In other words, Internet and Voice do not use as much bandwidth as video.

This is based on assumptions and limited research on Wikipedia and Google, not any real knowledge of cable infrastructure.

PS:
I assume that Business Class has its own channel(s) as well, and probably has more channels allocated for it in areas that have more Business Class customers. For example, at the location where I work, it's unlikely that there are any other Biz Class customers nearby (and those that are are probably on the 3/512 plan, not the 7/1 that we have.)

John Mason

06-22-06, 09:55 AM

Nice investigative overview, dj9. Tried some of that with my cable system a few years back, but mapping each cable channel to a frequency, and thus determining channel density/256-QAM 6-MHz slot, was too formidable a task here. Always thought 'group processing' for any cable head end, with various subscribers only logging X number of channels into a prepared spreadsheet (for sorting by frequency), would help. Suspect having ~8 SD channels per 6-MHz-wide 256-QAM slot (~39 Mbps) instead of 10-15, or 2 HDs instead of 3-4, makes a significant PQ difference. Cable head ends can use rate shaping (http://broadcastengineering.com/aps/acquisition/broadcasting_dtv_digital_cable/index.html) to squeeze more channels into slots.

Agree standard voice/Internet shouldn't eat up that much bandwidth. But video on demand sure does, because motion video, even MPEG compressed, has much information changing typically each 1/60 sec. -- John

AndyHDTV

06-28-06, 10:16 PM

My Email:

"Hello Mr. Kessler I have heard that Cinemax-HD launched on TWC in Texas. Can you tell me when this channel will be available nation wide on TWC, especially NYC?

thanks, Andy"

Response:

"Hello Andy,
Thank you for your interest in Cinemax HD. We value your subscription to Cinemax.
As I am sure you know, cable system channel line-ups vary. Different cable systems have different bandwidth capacities and different programming options in different markets. Decisions are often made locally.

Again, thanks for your interest in Cinemax HD."

Matthew Kasman
Senior Vice President & GM, Affiliate Sales
Home Box Office Services, Inc.

dad1153

06-28-06, 10:22 PM

What a polite and well-written amalgamation for what is essentially a "BEND OVER/SCREW YOU" response! :mad:

POWERFUL

06-29-06, 12:13 PM

LL3HD

06-29-06, 02:36 PM

(Lame corporate response)
....As I am sure you know, cable system channel line-ups vary. Different cable systems have different bandwidth capacities and different programming options in different markets. Decisions are often made locally.
Matthew Kasman
Senior Vice President & GM, Affiliate Sales
Home Box Office Services, Inc.
Good Andy, keep your sail in the wind. :cool:

It certainly doesn’t hurt to remind them that we are not content with their offerings.

archiguy

06-29-06, 04:24 PM

I get the feeling, from talking to the Director of Marketing for our local TWC outlet, that they would like to add more HD content and they have deals in place. What's holding them back, at least here in Charlotte, is an acute lack of bandwidth. And the "necessity" of adding more and more spanish-speaking channels in bandwidth hogging analog. I'm not happy about that, but my town must be 10% illegal aliens at this point, from the looks of things, and those folks do like to watch TV in their native language. Collectively, they constitute a bigger market share than us HDTV-lovin' folks. Apparently, the two TWC affiliates with the tightest bandwidth situation in the country are Charlotte and Los Angeles. Why, I have no idea.

This paradigm should change, he tells me, when they get something called "digital switching" installed. Then, there will be room for all sorts of new HD channels and their excuses for not adding some of 'em will evaporate. So, the moral of the story is that everyone in the TWC orbit needs to encourage the adoption of digital switching technology as soon as possible.

LL3HD

06-29-06, 04:43 PM

...adding more and more spanish-speaking channels in bandwidth hogging analog. I'm not happy about that, but my town must be 10% illegal aliens at this point, from the looks of things, and those folks do like to watch TV in their native language. Collectively, they constitute a bigger market share than us HDTV-lovin' folks...
.... So, the moral of the story is that everyone in the TWC orbit needs to encourage the adoption of digital switching technology as soon as possible.
Funny, after reading this post I came up with a different moral. :rolleyes:

LL3HD

06-29-06, 04:57 PM

...Collectively, they constitute a bigger market share than us HDTV-lovin' folks..
That's a mouthfull.

mcallister

06-29-06, 06:44 PM

so what do you think the chances of TWC getting ESPN 2HD up before college football season. I'd say slim to none. Another season.:(

AndyHDTV

06-29-06, 07:28 PM

Andy, you know NYC it's thae only place that doesn't have this, please stop acting like NYC is the only place in the universe that doesn't have this. I mean, come on Alpha Centari is only picking up what we broadcast OTA! :)

please...
when I ask questions to executives I not only ask about when my local TWC will get a specific HD channel, I ask when it will be available nationally on TWC.
I not only post in this thread, I post the same info on my own local thread as well.
Here's a suggestion. Get in contact with as many execs as you can and post their comments here.

AndyHDTV

06-29-06, 07:30 PM

so what do you think the chances of TWC getting ESPN 2HD up before college football season. I'd say slim to none. Another season.:(

I honesty don't have a clue anymore. I'm jus so fed up waiting for this channel.
I just hope they come to a agreement and add it to all market this year.

AndyHDTV

06-29-06, 07:36 PM

AndyHDTV

06-29-06, 07:55 PM

My Email:
"Is Scripps close to an agreement with Time Warner Cable for these HD channels? Myself as well as other HD TWC subscribers would like to know?"

Response from SRobertson of Scripps:
"I can only speculate that this might be finalized by the end of the year."
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not much of an answer, but at least now we know their negotiating.

dj9

06-29-06, 08:33 PM

As you know cutting off just "1" analog channel free's up space for "2" uncompressed HD channels, so I hope all TWC markets eliminate at least 1 analog channel by the end of the year.

they fit InHD2, SHO W, and HBO W into one QAM256 channel, and I think they're all in 1080i. I am not sure about any of the other nonbroadcast HD channels at this point.

they fit 2 HD channels and 2 subchannels (NBC + NBC weather and PBS + PBS test channel) into one QAM256 channel.

all of the music choice channels are in one analog channel.

AndyHDTV

06-29-06, 09:11 PM

they fit InHD2, SHO W, and HBO W into one QAM256 channel, and I think they're all in 1080i. I am not sure about any of the other nonbroadcast HD channels at this point.

they fit 2 HD channels and 2 subchannels (NBC + NBC weather and PBS + PBS test channel) into one QAM256 channel.

all of the music choice channels are in one analog channel.

yes in your case your local twc (Where ever u are) has 3 "compressed" HD channels on one 256CAM, my INHD & INHD2 channels are 2 "uncomressed" HD channels on one 256CAM. the PQ would obviosly be better if it wasn't compressed.

POWERFUL

06-30-06, 12:41 AM

Andy,
I know you speak up for us, and I think I speak for all here when I say we appreciate it. I'm just joshing you about the other stuff.

AndyHDTV

06-30-06, 01:15 AM

Andy,
I know you speak up for us, and I think I speak for all here when I say we appreciate it. I'm just joshing you about the other stuff.

When it comes to TWC and HD, I type away with a poker face.
No worries, it's all good.

jeffs471

06-30-06, 02:07 AM

John Mason

06-30-06, 07:06 AM

Switched digital saves cable bandwidth by broadcasting programming only to those subscribers who actually request it by turning on the channel. In one prime example, Time Warner Cable is seeking to deploy switched digital in all of its regions by the end of the year.
From a Cable Digital News (http://www.cabledatacomnews.com/weekly_analysis/062106_01.html) item during a recent cable tech conference. Another recent article (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7764281&&#post7764281) indicated T.W. wouldn't complete all its switched-video installations for several years.

Also, here's a short pdf summary (http://www.cisco.com/application/pdf/en/us/guest/netsol/ns457/c654/cdccont_0900aecd80458e33.pdf) of switched video from Cisco. -- John

ADGrant

06-30-06, 09:30 AM

I would certainly like to have more premium HD channels. However, since TWC doesn't wish to provide them my solution is very simple, I just subscribe to HBO for the original content and watch my movies on DVD. The movie selection from Netflix is so much better anyway.

scott_bernstein

06-30-06, 11:36 AM

ADGrant

06-30-06, 12:51 PM

OK, but how does that help provide you with film content in HD?

It doesn't off course. That said a well mastered DVD can look very good on my 50" plasma and some 'HD' movies can end up looking worse.

Netflix rents both HD-DVD movies and BluRay. With HD-DVD players costing around $500, that is going to become an increasing viable option.

AndyHDTV

07-04-06, 12:21 AM

Loads of info, read the links

“Time Warner Cable has stated it will roll OCAP applications out in New York City; Milwaukee; Green Bay, Wis.; Lincoln, Neb.; and Waco, Texas, while Comcast Corp. has pledged to do so in Philadelphia, Denver and Northern New Jersey.
Joan Gillman, vice president of interactive TV and advanced advertising at Time Warner Cable, said work is under way to meet the October target date for rolling out OCAP in Time Warner’s initial markets.”

http://www.multichannel.com/index.asp?layout=articlePrint&articleid=CA6344725

1. “Today, we have over 5 million customers, speeds as high as 10 Mbps, and there are hundreds of millions of websites. But we still only use one 6 MHz channel.”
2. “LaJoie: Telephone is just another application and, frankly, it's one that doesn't even represent 3% of the traffic on our high-speed data platform.”

http://www.cableworld.com/cgi/cw/show_mag.cgi?pub=cw&mon=062606&file=meetthemsotime.htm

Mogur2

07-06-06, 11:52 PM

I don't know if there is a thread for the Los Angeles area. I live in Santa clarita, Ca and will be switched to Time Warner in the near future.

Does anyone know the HD lineup for TW in the LA area?

Is there a different list specifically for the LA area?

Thanks for any help.

Marc Alexander

07-07-06, 12:00 AM

https://ecare.timewarnerla.com/upgrades/index.cfm?promocode=25H

AndyHDTV

07-09-06, 07:41 PM

posted by LonghornXP in another forum:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?p=597768#post597768

"Also one of my BHN contacts has told me that he got word from TWC corporate that they are working deals for the following channels below to please the FCC as they feel they the FCC could be vote killed if they allowed tons of customers to lose tons of channels.

ESPN2 HD
Cinemax HD
Starz HD
Starz On Demand
Encore On Demand
NFL Network
NFL Network On Demand
NFL Network HD.

Cinemax HD and Starz HD have been confirmed on one TWC system in Texas so because of that along with the fact that my only Comcast contact has said that Comcast corporate will soon work a deal with HDNet that I believe this all might be true.

We just must wait and see what happens but for some reason I have a very good feeling about all of this and I do trust the BHN contact but my Comcast contact I haven't known long enough to fully trust yet so keep that in mind."

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?p=597768#post597768

posg

07-10-06, 04:01 PM

fredfa

07-10-06, 04:31 PM

We should probably make sure people know about the headline on the thread over at satguys:

(Rumor): Bright House and Time Warner ESPN2 HD carriage within weeks:
(June 26, 2007)

squeak49

07-10-06, 06:15 PM

fredfa,

Thanks for the info. I sure hope you're right. I felt a lot better about this news before I saw that the thread on satelliteguys.us started in January with LonghornXP saying TWC would have ESPN2HD "soon".

I've been toying with the idea of changing carriers (to a competitive cableco in my area), but I like TWC and would like nothing more than being able to keep them, and get all the extra HD channels they don't carry.

LonghornXP

07-10-06, 07:12 PM

Care to translate that statement into English ?????

I should try to read my posts a little slower but I'll explain what I think your not understanding. What I meant by vote killed is that if the FCC doesn't force Comcast and TWC to keep the same lineups their customers have had in their swap areas the media relations could be so bad that the next election could be decided by it. Things aren't going good for the current party in power and I know many people who don't like Murdock having control of DirecTV so that along with these people losing channels over a change they didn't get a choice with along with the FCC also not helping Verizon and other new entrants to get involved via franchise issues that all of this above could result in the votes going for another party. Again many of the positions within the FCC are appointed by the president. For example the head of the national labor board is appointed by the current president and sadly to say some presidents appoint a person with a different view of the laws compared to another presidents appointee. The labor laws can be viewed from a workers view or from a business view and as you know one might be worse for the workers compared to the other.

I don't intend to make this into a political thread but I'm pointing out why the FCC could be pressured into avoiding this because as much as they like being pro business they will first and foremost protect their own jobs and that means they will do what they must to keep their jobs. I'm not saying its right or wrong I'm just saying what it is.

AndyHDTV

07-14-06, 11:36 AM

My Email:
"Hello Mr. Baird, Is Scripps close to an agreement with Time Warner Cable for these HD channels? Myself as well as other HD TWC subscribers would like to know?
Would you say a deal might be finalized by the end of the year, with a launching in Q1 of 2007?"

Response:
Good Morning Andy,

"We are in initial conversations with TW now. It is hard to say when they will actually launch our Hi -Def services but we are hopeful it will be early in 2007. The best way to help insure it is for you and your friends to call your local systems and let them know of your interest and ask them when they think the services will be launched.
Thanks for being a fan of our services. We are proud to be able to deliver them to you and your friends."

mlbUC

07-14-06, 01:03 PM

Someone should email the guy from TWC now and find out what he says. If he says they are close then we know he has been full of sh#$ with the whole ESPN2HD and HDNFL.

kjpjr

07-21-06, 08:04 PM

I called Columbia SC TW yesterday about these two networks and was told that TW has no plans to carry either one of them any time soon.

I am so glad TW cares about it customers -- we live in a condo with no exclusive use area so we cannot have a dish, stuck with TW.

AndyHDTV

07-22-06, 03:11 PM

dj9

07-22-06, 05:25 PM

scott_bernstein

07-24-06, 11:50 AM

Daryl L

07-24-06, 12:35 PM

You can probably consider anything not announced publicly yet as "proprietary to Time Warner Cable". All you've don't is asked about availability of new channels not yet publicly anounced as being offered soon. Some people probably just got tired of all the e-mails (most likely not just from you, they probably get hundreds) and requested someone to cool it down. Probably no biggy. ;)

squeak49

07-24-06, 12:56 PM

Email I received from TWC yesterday:

"It has come to my attention that you have contacted several people at Time Warner Cable asking highly technical questions. I am concerned because the answers to many of those questions are considered proprietary to Time Warner Cable. Please contact me regarding this issue."

Tom Allen
Vice President Security
Time Warner Cable of NY/NJ
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I Might have to take a break from my investigating, I'm stepping on some toes.
Good. I'm glad you're getting this level of attention. Basically, you're a customer unhappy with the level of service you're getting (as are the rest of us), and looking for answers. It's doubtful, but maybe that level of visibility will force some action to be made. I'd call him and share your thoughts. Even though he's in Security and not Customer Service or Programming, it can't hurt.

gb4fan92

07-24-06, 01:13 PM

LL3HD

07-24-06, 02:03 PM

Email I received from TWC yesterday:

"It has come to my attention that you have contacted several people at Time Warner Cable asking highly technical questions. I am concerned because the answers to many of those questions are considered proprietary to Time Warner Cable. Please contact me regarding this issue."

Tom Allen
Vice President Security
Time Warner Cable of NY/NJ
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I Might have to take a break from my investigating, I'm stepping on some toes.
After reading the response to Andy’s letter, for some reason, my imagination seems to conjure up the image of Wilfred Brimley’s character from the movie The Firm. :eek: :D

CuseHokie

07-24-06, 08:34 PM

Do what this guy did...

Call him up and record it, then call NBC or something...

http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/aol/the-best-thing-we-have-ever-posted-reader-tries-to-cancel-aol-180392.php

AndyHDTV

07-25-06, 12:14 AM

thank you for the email, I try to ask questions that would help all of TWC's HD subscribers. Don't be worried if my questions worry you as you and others obviously can refuse to answer them. As I said I only ask questions to help myself and others know what's going on with additional HD channels. As for the technical info, I get them from online articles that executives participate in. So it's really not Top Secret info I'm inquiring about.
I hope I'm not stepping on any toes, even though It might appear that I am.
Would you rather me contact you by phone about this matter?
Thank you, Andy

dad1153

07-25-06, 06:19 AM

Should we start sending donations to a legal fund to pay for Andy's 'get-out-of-jail' bills (like those for Scooter Libby)? Or start asking celebrities and musicians to use their clout to ask the governor for clemency? My boss has Martin Sheen's phone number! :D

CuseHokie

07-25-06, 07:15 PM

VisionOn

07-25-06, 07:54 PM

Blah... they are just trying to scare you for some odd reason.

Let's hope he doesn't find the AVS Forum. He'll have a coronary, what with all the "top secret" TWC technology under discussion. Like forcing an SATA drive to work on an 8300, going into the menu to access the system info, and reposts of their top secret OCAP plans that are published on tech news sites!

I can hear the black helicopters now ...

Daryl L

07-26-06, 11:33 AM

Let's hope he doesn't find the AVS Forum. He'll have a coronary, what with all the "top secret" TWC technology under discussion. Like forcing an SATA drive to work on an 8300, going into the menu to access the system info, and reposts of their top secret OCAP plans that are published on tech news sites!

I can hear the black helicopters now ...
HEAD FER THE HILLS!!! :eek:

AndyHDTV

07-26-06, 11:23 PM

An inquiry was sent today to Time Warner Cable of Raleigh, NC. It was concerning the costs of CableCards leased from Time Warner Cable for use in the soon to be released Series 3 HD Tivo. According to this service representative Time Warner Cable of Raleigh, and presumably other cities, will not be supporting the Series 3 Tivo. The representative claims that Time Warner Cable of Raleigh will NOT install cable cards in Tivo devices nor will they allow Tivo's to access their network. If this is true, it is completely outrageous and unacceptable. Please note that customer service representatives are not known for their skill, knowledge, or awareness of what is and is not true, so this particular representative's response may not be accurate. However, it does sound as if this person knows that Time Warner Cable of Raleigh will not install cable cards in Tivo devices.

http://www.consumerfury.com/twcraleigh072506.aspx

toadfannc

07-28-06, 08:17 AM

Get ready all you TWC football haters ...

Check out this article in today's USA Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/foot...l-network_x.htm

I LOVE IT!!!!! Finally, TWC is being exposed. I can't wait until I see the first ad that the NFL Network runs that mentions Time Warner. I especially like the NFL Network rep's quote:

"We think it's asinine that Time Warner (the nation's No. 2 cable provider) carries 12 shopping channels and 50 other channels you don't want — but can't find room for one dedicated to the most popular sport in this country," Palansky says. "We're replacing the kid gloves with bare knuckles."

Amen.

The way I see it, TWC now has 2 choices. They can continue their current stance of ignoring customer demand and crying the blues about subscription fees (while they count the record profits they are reaping from you and me)-- all the while not giving a damn how many THOUSANDS of subscribers leave for satellite. OR, they will grudgingly sign up with the NFL ... for about double the cost that they could have gotten 2 years ago.

So, all you shopping channel lovers, can get busy and dial your favorite TWC sychophant and tell them to hold firm and not bend under the pressure of the mean old NFL. Somehow, I think that the football lovers who will finally realize what TWC is doing, will also pick up the phone (better yet, email our pal Fred Dressler, TWC VP of Programming at fred.dressler@twcable.com) -- and I bet they out number the sports haters.

I don't blame the NFL for doing this-- they know that most cable subscribers just sit back ignorantly, and take whatever is jammed down their throat--- sound familiar (i.e. federal government ... but that's another story for another day)?

It shall be interesting, at the very least!!!! :D

daniels1994

07-28-06, 08:47 AM

AndyHDTV

07-28-06, 09:44 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2006-07-27-nfl-network_x.htm

Marcus Carr

07-28-06, 10:00 AM

Time Warner giving boot to NFL Network

By ALAN PERGAMENT
News TV Critic
7/28/2006

The NFL Network very likely will be thrown for a loss Tuesday locally and nationally when it is expected to be dropped from the cable lineup after Adelphia's long-awaited takeover by Time Warner is completed.
With the Buffalo Bills opening training camp and the league's network planning to carry 52 preseason games, the likely move to drop the channel couldn't come at a worse time for the local Adelphia subscribers who will be switched to Time Warner on Tuesday.

Buffalo, Dallas and Cleveland are the three NFL markets that had been getting The NFL Network and will lose it in the Adelphia-Time Warner deal, according to an NFL Network spokesman.

"We pleaded to be left on while we continue to negotiate," e-mailed the spokesman, "especially since the first of 52 preseason games and 12 inside training camp shows begin, but Time Warner refused."

Gordon Harp, the Buffalo division president of Time Warner, confirmed Thursday night that the cable company is notifying subscribers through newspaper advertisements and other means of the strong possibility that the football network that currently is available on basic cable in Western New York will be dropped on Tuesday.

"We're providing notification in case it happens," Harp said. "We're still negotiating. Hopefully, we'll work out an agreement."

However, the advertisement plans and the fact that Time Warner hasn't been able to make a national deal with The NFL Network for three years makes a quick, positive resolution very unlikely.

A spokesman for The NFL Network said it plans to launch its own marketing campaign to let Buffalo viewers understand their options. It has set up a number, (866) 635-6389 (NFL-Network), for people to complain to Time Warner about the planned move. The NFL Network also is making cable subscribers aware that it has reached deals with satellite providers Dish Network and DirecTV on their "most affordable, basic packages."

Adelphia had put The NFL Network, which launched in November 2003, on basic cable locally when it folded the Empire Sports Network. Long term, the move also was designed to compete with satellite providers.

Time Warner's quick move to drop The NFL Network is a surprise since cable systems are believed to need 30 days notice before dropping a channel.

"They contend [they don't]," explained the NFL Network spokesman.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20060728/1027649.asp