Ran a search but could not find a Tosh DR410 thread thought maybe somebody here could answer this question. When checking out a refurb unit the specs say that DVD Ram is one of it's formats. Then I hear that it is not compatible with ram. I always only Panasonic recorders could record to Ram

I have a D-R410 and it plays back dvd ram disks recorded on a DMR-E55; I don't know if it will record on ram or not.

I found quite interesting page originally in Japanese; however, google translation is sometimes not very good.

They put SW-9585-C into RD-XS models, and they are able to get it work with double-click Open/Close button on the remote comtrol.

I tried to replace original SW-9574-E with SW-9586-C (without cartridge.) The new burner was recognized, no error 7000 or similar when powering it on, no error message about "check disc, it might be damaged or dirty", etc..
The new burner can respond to open/close commands, accepts dvds and attempts to read them. However, it does not recognize contents on pre-recorded DVD or DVD-RAM media I put inside at first. It always pops an alert message that the disc is empty.
Here is the trick:
Double-clicking on Open/Close button (very quickly) after "loading" picture dissappers from the screen, makes the new burner work and be recognized. RD-XS54 can recognize DVDs. I tried DVD-RAM & DVD-R media. I was able to dub from HDD to DVD-RAM and back; however, once you take unfinalized DVD out of the unit, it is a coaster. Burned DVD-R must be finalized before taking the DVD out. Finalized DVD-R can be played on dvd recorder or any other dvd player.
With DVD-RAM media, it is more complicated. After taking it out and putting back, it pops up an error mesage that DVD-RAM (the one I formatted inside the new burner and dubbed a sample to and from it) was formatted on the other unit, and it asked me to format it again.

This type of burners can be a short-term solution (if you have some recordings on HDD that you need to save, and your OEM burner does not work anymore), but it is definitely not a perfect replacement for long time. You can buy it for $19 plus shipping.

Those guys (in Japan) made nice table chart, and good research. It is pitty that translation is not very clear sometimes.

For those interested in more info, the original site is:
http://y30.net/rdxs-e/rdwiki/wiki.php?DVD%B4%B9%C1%F5

and translation was made here:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fy30.net%2Frdxs-e%2Frdwiki%2Fwiki.php%3FDVD%25B4%25B9%25C1%25F5

Thanks for submitting this post! I can report very good success using a Panasonic SW-9585-C on the RD-XS32, following the steps outlined in your post. There is full functionality with both unfinalized DVD-R and DVD-RAM. If the unit has turned off and turned on, it will automatically recognize DVD-R or DVD-RAM in the drive. However if the recorder is already on and you replace the disk, you have to do the double-click method to initialize it. Apparently the double-click trick is built into all Toshiba RD-XS recorders, since the stock burner responds the same. It's hard for me to believe the SW-9586-C, which is a model one digit off, won't work so well.

Other minor issues is that when you open the tray, you will get an error message that something is wrong with the tray, but all you do is press ENTER to clear the message and press the OPEN button again. When you insert a disk, you must press OPEN twice to close the tray.

As far as having to reformat DVD-RAM if it's been formatted in another machine, I've only had this issue once, with blank DVD-RAM. Not a big deal to reformat on the SW-9585-C. I've had no issues recognizing DVD-RAM which contains titles dubbed from another RD-XS.

Previously, I had been using an LG GSA-4167B on the RD-XS32, except it would not recognize unfinalized DVD-R. Not at issue with me since I normally run two RD-XS units so I can finalize on the other machine. Now with the SW-9585-C, I have full functionality on the RD-XS32. The Panasonic burner is about an inch longer than the LG and a bit heftier, however I've found it to be a much slower burner compared to the LG when dubbing to DVD-R, but speed for both is the same with DVD-RAM or when dubbing from DVD-R to HDD. As the Panasonic is capable of 16X, I tried some 16X Victor-JVC DVD-R rather than my usual TY 8X, but made no difference in dubbing speed. I think the RD-XS32 firmware is locked in at 8X.

One bonus is the Panasonic SW-9585-C will play audio CDs on the RD-XS32, which the LG GSA-4167B wouldn't do :).

You can find the SW-9585-C burners on Ebay either refurbished or new. The ones I got from Geeks.com for $22 each were actually brand new, even though they were advertised as refurbished. All were in perfect physical condition and sealed in anti-static bags, with no screw marks marring the side plate. As this burner was discontinued a while back, the units were probably old new stock. They came with the last firmware available for that model: B101. Geeks.com has sold out on these though.

I have managed to obtain a new Seagate ST3160022ACE which i will install into my RD-XS32, which has a failed DVD drive. I have a little used LG 4167B to replace the failed DVD RAM Drive. Can anybody please help me with regard to making the RD-XS32 Multi-Region. I will post results of swap once I have have done it.

Are there any DVD burners currently available at Newegg that will work in the XS32?

Looks that Clevor was lucky to buy SW-9585-C couple months after I searched all around to buy it. It had to be a really old new stock.
Sometimes, one number up can make a difference. I tried SW-9586-C and it was not compatible as I hoped. It was especially annoying to get error message that DVD-RAM formatted in RD-XS54 was not recognized when I opened the tray and inserted the same DVD-RAM back to the unit with recording made on RD-XS54. Strangly, my Panasonic DMR-EH80 had no problem to read the content of DVD-RAM recroded in Toshiba, but Toshiba refused to recognize its own recording on DVD-RAM.

After all, I was able to buy used original dvd burner replacement on eBay for $65, and after testing the first one, I grabbed the second one immediately after receiving and testing the first one. The firmware was one level up, but my RD-XS54 dvd recorder liked it as original, since it was actual pull out from original - broken RD-XS54 units.

I have RD-XS54 and RD-XS55, and they use completely different brands of burners. RD-XS54 has Panasonic dvd burner, while RD-XS55 has Toshiba dvd burner (even hidden in a special black case.) I know that RD-XS34 and RD-XS54 use the same dvd burner, and same applies to RD-XS35 and RD-XS55 models.

The best way is always to look for original dvd burner as it was in RD-XS32. eBay sellers list dvd burners from time to time when they pull them out from non-working machines. Maybe, you will have a luck.

I still keep my brand new SW-9586-C just in case. It is better to have partially working dvd burner than nothing.

Just discovered my RD-XS32 replaced with Memorex MRX-525G (3202-3294) no longer recognizes CDs. Seems to play DVDs OK. Haven't burned anything in the past year. If there are more problems I'll post.

Hi Guys,

Just checking in after a long absence:

A few days ago I grabbed a new Panny SW-9585-C from a seller on Ebay. Burner arrived very quickly and have installed it in the old RD-XS32. It has been out of service since I bit the bullet and bought a Magnavox 515 last Xmas. I'm happy to report that the open/close trick works very well and I now have access to all old unfinalized discs of all media types.

Through the years I've bought 2 160GB HDD's (1 Seagate, 1 Maxtor) and still have the original 80GB which never failed. Like a lot of us, only thing that ever failed on mine was the original stupid burner. To try and regain material recorded but not finalized on all various media types, I have bought the LG 4167B, LG H10N, LG H54L and now the Panny. It's funny but I can't even remember what burners were successful with what discs now, so much time has passed. The frustration was always either some discs would not be recognized properly, or cause lock-ups, or the infamous copy protection issues both on HDD and Disc. Lack of CD play on the machine was never an issue for me but it is nice to have back along with all of this compatibility. It's foolish I know, but I love this darn machine, even with the headaches it has caused me and the money spent to keep it going and retrieve what will likely prove to be unwanted material. :( The features on these machines are just so sweet. Now I need to replace the fan since that started to make some noise. Oh well.

ClarkeBar,

I too have been dealing with a "2nd generation" failure of my Magnavox 525 replacement drive for my Xs32. It has lost CD functionality. It worked good when new but now, nothing.

So I'm thinking about getting another drive and have been scouring the 2 main XS32 threads in this forum.

For me, CD functionality is something I would like to have and also, my best chance at finding compatible media which is really a pain.

I've been looking at drive and main firmware too (mine is a 1314 ZL10).

I noticed you got this SW Panasonic DVD drive? I noticed some talk of that at the end of the thread and was not sure about what all it did.

What was your final conclusion about replacement drives nowadays and also what luck with burnable media?

Thanks
Tom

Hi Tom,

Shows how much I'm out of the loop. I didn't know there were any Magnavox (Memorex?) Burner models out there for the XS32.

I'm still going through the testing stage of simply playing older previously burned discs, looking at types and speeds, etc. with this new Panny drive. Haven't got to the burn stage yet but should be doing some of that tonight and tomorrow and will report back my findings. Didn't even know about the applicability of the Panny burner until last week when I checked in here out of the blue and read some of the last few posts. That's usually how I end up buying more stuff I really don't need, looking for that last ounce of compatibility, as with the stock WD3002. If any of us had known way back when, we would have probably bought several of those stock replacement burners and milked them for all they were worth.

With the Panny, all I have noticed so far is the machine seems to both startup as well as load discs faster than I remember ... but I do have to use the double push on the open/close to get it to load unfinalized material properly. Otherwise just says disc is empty or something else equally useless.

I seem to recall the LG 4167B was quite slow. Had that burner in probably as long as the WD3002 before trying the H10N and H54L. Now the memory's all fogged and I can't recall what did what better.

Am listening to Music now from the Panny Drive so that's a go.

I need to read up maybe the last 5-10 pages to refresh my memory about the differences between all these units, both read and write.

Paul

Tom,

Formatted and burned Title to 2x-3x speed RAM. No hiccups except sloooowwww RAM speed. Still getting a kick out of having CD back. I forget if the 4167B, H10N or the H54L had allowed CD play. Even if they did, I rarely used it on this machine as I have dedicated equipment for that. But sometimes it's nice to just use what's on and running ... so it's more of a convenience thing for me.

I'm currently running a rate conversion dub to another RAM so I can get the first 2 Harry Potters on disc. Recorded from TV and edited long ago, I did it because the TV versions of so many of these blockbuster type movies have scenes I never see anywhere else on any other disc version. Infuriating! Hell, I gave away my Lord of the Rings original discs when they came out with the extended versions. Drives me crazy ... but at least Peter Jackson and the Studio got this right. Still waiting for a ton of material out there to be properly offered.

Will test DVD-R soon ... also moving recordings back and forth. Will also see if the CPRM sensitivity bug is still active with some new recordings. That was starting to drive me crazy with the Tosh which was another reason to just go with something else through the years like the Philips 3575 (returned), eventually getting the Mag 515H this Christmas. Nowhere near as feature laden but it is a very nice and simple machine. Wish I had the shelf space to plug it all back in permanently and run 2 DVRs along with the Comcast DVR.

Some of the guys on here went crazy with the Polaroid model a few years back and ran some wild looking daisy chained HDD setups.

Paul

The thing that is good about the Panasonic SW-9585-C is that it has complete functionality with all aspects of DVD-R , DVD-RAM, and CD. In other words, it will recognize it's own unfinalized DVD-R, as well as unfinalized disks from the OEM burner, or the substitute LG burners, even a Lite-On burner. Even though the LG burners won't recognize their own unfinalized disks! On most RD-XS models, that is. Of course, no problems with DVD-RAM either.

The bad thing about the Panasonic is that it is slow at dubbing. The LG GSA-4167B and H10N are the speed demons here. They are as fast as the stock RD-XS52 burner. Finalizing is slow too, but it gets the job done. Also you have to do that double-click trick every time you insert a disk. However if you turn the recorder on and off, it will recognize the disk in the burner on boot up.

I have tried 16X DVD-R in the SW-9585-C with no luck, even though the burner in PC applications will support it. The burn speed is fixed into the RD-XS firmware.

Another caveat to the Panasonic is eventually it will need the spindle and laser cleaned, which is a common Panasonic problem.

But, there is no free lunch if you want complete compatibility, and maybe not now, but 1-2 years ago you could get refurb SW-9585-Cs for around $20 and they were plentiful.

The thing that is good about the Panasonic SW-9585-C is that it has complete functionality with all aspects of DVD-R , DVD-RAM, and CD. In other words, it will recognize it's own unfinalized DVD-R, as well as unfinalized disks from the OEM burner, ... . On most RD-XS models, that is. Of course, no problems with DVD-RAM either.

It seems that SW-9585-C burner is more friendly with RD-XS52 than RD-XS54, allowing easy swap.
Maybe, when I tried SW-9585-C in RD-XS54 in 2009, I did not set the region to 1 in order to obtain its full compatibility and functionality.
Some members mentioned that new dvd burner needs to be set to region 1 before using it in RD-XS54. I bought a completely brand new OEM dvd burner (not a pull out). At that time I did not have any external enclosure to put SW-9585-C in to verify it or set it up, and I did not want to tinker with a new PC under warranty just to do this region 1 set up.

"...the Panasonic SW-9585-C is that it has complete functionality with all aspects of DVD-R , DVD-RAM, and CD."

Complete CD functionality? No drive ever got close to that. Are you sure?

Also, does it do all the RAM types including the ones that are in the case?

Thanks
Tom

Is the Panasonic SW-9585-C a drive that can be repaired?