A new 37" Westinghouse 1080p LCD monitor is coming:

The Westinghouse LVM-37W3 37" LCD Video Monitor is a state-of-the-art 1920 x 1080 progressive scan LCD display brings you the ultimate in Digital video. It's been optimized for use with the latest High Definition sources; enjoy HD digital cable, HD satellite and a digital game console -- all with the very highest in digital picture quality. PC and notebooks users can also enjoy the same fat pipe and the industry best Genesis Display Perfection technology. Multiple connection choices, including 2 DVI with HDCP connectors, lets you connect to a PC and the latest multimedia video sources. Amazingly thin for its size, you get 37 inches at only 4.5 inches deep (without the base), allowing you to mount this stylish monitor on your wall.

Displays up to 16.7 million colors
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Viewing Angles: 176° Horizontal, 176° Vertical
Compatible Modes: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
Native/Optimum Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Supported Resolutions: 1920 x 1080, 640 x 480, 800 x 600, 1024 x 768
Twin 20 Watt speakers
Picture-in-Picture display
Freezing Picture
3D Noise Reduction
Inverse 3:2 pulldown
3D Video Processing, 3D Comb Filter
CCS (Cross Color Suppressor)
Response Time: 12 ms
Brightness: 550 cd/m2
Input connectors:
Outputs:
Lamp Life: 50,000 hrs.
Color Gamut: 75% NTSC
Color: Silver
Dimensions(HxWxD): 36.6" x 23.0" x 4.5" without base
Dimensions With Base: 36.6" x 28.5" x 8.4"
Weight: 44 lbs. without base
Weight With Base: 56 lbs.

I think this new one looks better than the old 37" LVM-37w1.

New LVM-37w3:

http://homepage.mac.com/eugwanker/.Pictures/LVM-37w3.jpg

Old LVM-37w1:

https://www.westinghousedigital.com/images/Product/medium/26.jpg

I just hope it doesn't suffer from the lockup problems plaguing the 42" LVM-42w2. (I may have bought the 42" Westy had it not been for this problem.)

P.S. Thx to the post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7291909#post7291909) in the other 37" Westy thread that alerted us to this new model.

Another retailer confirms (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7292526#post7292526) the existence of a new model Westy 37".

I got my 37w1 Westy about 20 days ago from BB and am overall very happy. Lack of shadow detail in dark scenes and corner bleeding are my only issues. I'm curious if corner bleeding is fixed on the new Westy? Also, is the contrast and shadow detail improved. It appears that the specs are almost identical on the new Westy. Are there additional inputs that accept 1080p sources? I do like the outside look of the new model compared to the current model. Who thinks I should return the old for the new?

Thanks

Does your store have the new one in stock (or in a warehouse nearby)? Is your TV purchase 100% refundable? If so, I'd return it.

I'm also wondering about corner bleeding on the new Westys (37" and 42"), but just as importantly, I wonder if the new 37" corrects the lockup issues. My guess is no on the lockup issue, since the 42" also suffers from this problem. The good news is that people so far are not complaining about corner bleeding with the 42". The other issue I'd like to see eliminated is the uneven illumination seen on some of the old LVM-37w1 sets. ie. Some people have a brighter left side of the screen compared to the right side. That's just bad QA in my opinion, and unacceptable.

As for inputs on the new Westy, we still don't have all the details yet. I hope it's like the 42".

By the way, the old 37" 37w1 seems to be unavailable now at some etailers even though it was available last week IIRC. I guess they've finished draining off inventory of the old model and are gearing up for the new 37w3 too.

I think this new one looks better than the old 37" LVM-37w1. Absolutely no contest, but too bad it isn't black.
How about a 26" version and will any of them have a 8VSB/QAM tuner?

Does your store have the new one in stock (or in a warehouse nearby)? Is your TV purchase 100% refundable? If so, I'd return it.

I purchased my Westy from Best Buy and my 30 days ends on 3/20. The BB I visited yesterday had an in-stock date of 3/19 for the 37w3. Nothing like waiting to the last minute. I wish we knew more about the input on the 37w3--like does it have 1080p capable HDMI? So you think I should return the 37w1 for the w3?

I'd be surprised if it didn't have a 1080p capable digital input, given the previous models, and the new 42". However, no confirmation yet.

However, in your shoes, I'd probably return it anyway. If I had noticeable corner bleed, it would drive me insane. If it's very mild that's a different story though.

Personally, I'm no longer considering buying a Westy until they release a firmware to fix that lockup issue some of the LVM-37w1 and LVM-42w2 LCDs have.

Msrp?
Tm

The BB I visited yesterday had an in-stock date of 3/19 for the 37w3.
Wow, that's less than a week from now, and it's still not on Westinghouse's LCD site (https://www.westinghousedigital.com/c-7-1080p-monitors.aspx).

Msrp?
Tm
No idea. :p

However, with no evidence to support my belief, I'm guessing that the 37w3 will break the $2000 barrier for MSRP. (The 37w1 had a MSRP of US$2299.)

P.S. It seems the new 37" 37w3 shares the same aesthetics as the 42" 42w2:

https://www.westinghousedigital.com/images/Product/medium/44.jpg

I purchased my Westy from Best Buy and my 30 days ends on 3/20. The BB I visited yesterday had an in-stock date of 3/19 for the 37w3. Nothing like waiting to the last minute. I wish we knew more about the input on the 37w3--like does it have 1080p capable HDMI? So you think I should return the 37w1 for the w3?


Where did you see HDMI inputs on 37W3? I don't like HDMI inputs, would preffer 2x DVI, just like the original had. And where are the speakers?

Where did you see HDMI inputs on 37W3? I don't like HDMI inputs, would preffer 2x DVI, just like the original had. And where are the speakers?
The best guess is that it's just like the 42" - 1 HDMI, 2 DVI, VGA, etc - speakers on bottom - check out the Westinghouse web-site.

I just hope it doesn't suffer from the lockup problems plaguing the 42" LVM-42w2. (I may have bought the 42" Westy had it not been for this problem.)
The lockup problem with the LVM-42w2 probably isn't actually a "plague". Mine doesn't do it. Of the three LVM-37w1s I had, one locked up a couple of times, so I think you may be inflating this issue.

There were, however, more serious quality-control problems with many LVM-37w1 units: uneven backlighting, bright corners, intermittent inputs, and a buzzing/chirping backlight sound (which truly did sound like a plague of locusts!). I got to experience all 4 problems, in different combinations, and to different degrees, with the 3 units I tried. Some people (what percentage?) do not have these problems.

Well, 1 of 3 units suffering lockups would be terrible if it were representative of the overall numbers. 33% is bad. ;) I suspect the number is much lower though as you suggest, but still, it's very worrisome, as are the other issues you mentioned.

I wonder if there is some way of finding out which firmware revision one has. If not, perhaps the manufacture date may be of interest. Anyways, it's no big deal for me to wait. Part of the reason for me to upgrade is for Blu-ray and for a home theatre Mac mini, but since I don't even have either of those yet, I can continue to use my 34" widescreen HD CRT for now.

EDIT:

Sweet! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7297085#post7297085)

Another reason for me to wait... I'm in Canada, and there is no Westinghouse LCD availability in Canada. If I bought a Westy, it would be through mail order from the US. However, it seems Westinghouse is trying to work out a deal with Best Buy Canada and Future Shop to carry their LCDs. I'd feel a lot more comfortable buying a Westy if I could get it locally, with a local service centre.

...Part of the reason for me to upgrade is for Blu-ray and for a home theatre Mac mini...
I have a big ol' PC attached to my 42" in the living room, and want to replace it with a Mac mini. However, I'm wondering whether to wait for a Mac mini w/ Blu-ray (or whaterver wins the format war). Adding a new drive to my big ol' PC isn't a problem, but I assume it would have to be an external drive on the Mac mini. Who knows when a Mac mini might have such a drive in it. Hmm.

Adding an external Blu-ray drive on the current Mac mini probably will not help, considering it still wouldn't support HDCP. Yeah, you might have to wait >6 months to a year for a Mac with both a slimline Blu-ray laptop drive and a HDCP support from the GPU via DVI. (It's unlikely Apple will include an HD-DVD-only drive, since they've already come out in support of Blu-ray.) It's a bit of a moot point for me though, since I was planning on buying a Playstation 3, which will already include Blu-ray support.

P.S. Has anyone seen the 1200:1 contrast ratio Sonys/Sharps compared to the 1000:1 Westys? Is it a noticeable difference?

P.P.S. How does the Xbox 360 look through component on LCD screens?

Hmmm... The 37w3 is still not showing up on Best Buy's public website, despite the fact that several have already posted that Best Buy now has this unit in their system, with one poster stating availability this Sunday, March 19.

I wonder why it's not listed. Is it because the still have significant stock of the 37w1 left? Or does Best Buy just never list future products?

P.S. At least one person is complaining about red push with his 42" 42w2. I wonder if this is a function more of the channels and the set-top boxes than the TV itself.

Red push would be last on the list of things to worry as this could be easilly adjusted. I have not seen Westinghouse 42" in person but it has to have tint control, also most LCD TV's would have some RGB color adjustment in service menu, if one knows how to get into it.

Red push would be last on the list of things to worry as this could be easilly adjusted. I have not seen Westinghouse 42" in person but it has to have tint control, also most LCD TV's would have some RGB color adjustment in service menu, if one knows how to get into it.
Someone in the 42" LVM-42w2 thread mentioned (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7300615&&#post7300615) that you need some sort of device attached to the TV to get into the 42" Westy's service menu. If true, I suspect the same would be true for the 37".

Also, this may not be applicable, but on my CRT, tweaking the service menu settings can help with red push, but it can't be eliminated. (My TV was ISF calibrated.) But like I said, it's a different TV (CRT), and that's via the component outputs.

I just ordered my 42" yesterday and its in the computer for their warehouse but not the 37w3 its not showing up yet.

This tv is on the J&R website for pre-order with a nice price.

They've also come off MSRP on the 42" nicely...

TM

How is 12ms response time for gaming?

Why would Westinghouse not list this new monitor on it's website? Are they afraid that the w1 stock won't sell? I'm going to return my w1 once this comes out. I'll have a cushion of a little more than a week till BestBuy supposedly gets these in stock.

Ok, listen everyone. The LVM-37w3 from BestBuy really is the LTV-37w2, which is NOT 1920 x 1080. It's native resolution is 1366 x 768. I spoke to the manager of the BestBuy in NYC (23rd St). They are in the warehouse and you can purchase them now. They are going for the same price that the LVM-37w1 is going for now. J&R must be retards or scams artists for making up a new Westinghouse model and putting it on preorder.

Westinghouse LTV-37w2
https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release_LTV37w2-01-05-06.aspx?whlm=cnav

BuGsArEtAsTy where did you get that quote from??

Ok, listen everyone. The LVM-37w3 from BestBuy really is the LTV-37w2, which is NOT 1920 x 1080.Then why are they calling it the LVM-37w3?

J&R must be retards or scams artists for making up a new Westinghouse model and putting it on preorder.

BuGsArEtAsTy where did you get that quote from??J&R

Id have to go back and look at the J&R website but i did look at the link you put on for the w2 and it says it has a built in tuner while the w3 on the J&R website says there are no built in tuners so they may be different models.

JR clearly states 1920x1080p model, so I hope there will be more than one 37" version including true follow up to LVM37W1. This is getting all screwed up because I'm waiting for LVM 37W3 to show up in stores so I can buy one now.

Question is, how is J&R able to preorder a model that no ones even heard of or have been anticipating? Not even Westinghouse knows of this model. If you google it only J&R's website shows up. Now you ask me, does something sound fishy?

I'd be more than happy if there was a new 1920 x 1080 37" Westy, especially for that price.

Question is, how is J&R able to preorder a model that no ones even heard of or have been anticipating? Not even Westinghouse knows of this model. If you google it only J&R's website shows up. Now you ask me, does something sound fishy?

I'd be more than happy if there was a new 1920 x 1080 37" Westy, especially for that price.
Except that according to several forum posters here, Best Buy already says it exists, as the LVM-37w3.

LTV-37w2 is a very different name than the LVM-37w3

Perhaps those LVM-37w3 specs at JR.com are all bull, but it's also quite possible that that particular Best Buy manager that claims that LTV-37w2 = LVM-37w3 just doesn't know what he's talking about.

I was physically at BestBuy. We went to the computer. He searched for 37" LCDs and for Westinghouse LCDs. Only the LTV-37w2 showed up. There were 139 in stock at the warehouse. They were priced at $1699. I saw this with my own eyes.

I was physically at BestBuy. We went to the computer. He searched for 37" LCDs and for Westinghouse LCDs. Only the LTV-37w2 showed up. There were 139 in stock at the warehouse. They were priced at $1699. I saw this with my own eyes.
For the record, for the mods/gods, $1699 is the MSRP of the LTV-37w2.

FWIW, the price on JR.com for the the mythical LVM-37w3 is higher than the LTV-37w2's MSRP.

Here's the specs for it from BB's site. The only thing that bothers me is the contrast ratio.
It even come with a stand...


[edit] my bad, i guess this was the old one ...it's the first i've seen of it. I thought lcd's could only display 720p
Westinghouse 37" Widescreen HD-Ready Flat-Panel LCD TV Monitor with 1080p Display - Silver
Model: LVM-37W1

Question is, how is J&R able to preorder a model that no ones even heard of or have been anticipating? Not even Westinghouse knows of this model. If you google it only J&R's website shows up. Now you ask me, does something sound fishy?

I'd be more than happy if there was a new 1920 x 1080 37" Westy, especially for that price.

Well, frankly I haven't seen mention of LVM37W2 either up until now, reading about it in this forum. When I checked Westinghouse web site about a week ago I have not seen LVM37W2 listed anywhere and it's already in BB stores so that means pretty much nothing. We know they have 1080p 37 LCD panels for about a year now, we know the specs are pretty good on W1, so except for the casing and QC W3 should be exactly the same as W1? I'm sure LVM37W1 was a good seller and let me put it this way, I'll be the first one to get newer 1080p model as soon as they show up in stores, the 1368x768 model they would have to give it to me for free, I'm so not excited about it, just another lame 37" LCD HDTV among 50 or so other models, yawn.

Question is, how is J&R able to preorder a model that no ones even heard of or have been anticipating? Not even Westinghouse knows of this model. If you google it only J&R's website shows up. Now you ask me, does something sound fishy?

I'd be more than happy if there was a new 1920 x 1080 37" Westy, especially for that price.
BTW, I'm not sure what you mean with regards to the price. You can already get a 1920x1080 37" Westy (LVM-37w1) for less than that price at some places, so it's not as if the new price is earth shattering.

P.S. My guess is that if the LVM-37w3 does indeed exist, it will use the same screen as the LVM-37w1.

has anyone emailed westinghouse asking if this set actually exists?

has anyone emailed westinghouse asking if this set actually exists?
I was hoping someone could check again with Best Buy USA on Sunday (March 19), but in the meantime I did email Westinghouse. They seem pretty reasonable with their response times, but it did take a few days for them to respond to my last question (about Canadian availability) so I wouldn't expect a response until next week anyway. (I'm not complaining... A few days is great compared to other companies... Just try getting any response from Sony. :rolleyes: ) I wonder though if they'll mention anything about future products, for various reasons, including because they seem to contract out their online customer support to a 3rd party.

I was going to suggest that myself (to e-mail Westinghouse). However I called JR and they expect LVM37W3 to show up in store sometime next week, so I keep my fingers crossed. I also checked specs for 42" monitor. This one has 1 HDMI input capable of 1080p video, 2 DVI inputs, 1 VGA and 2 component inputs, that's 6 HD capable inputs total. This set actually has all the inputs I need and want, just hope 37W3, if it exists, has the same setup. If they fixed all the issues common to 37W1, mostly quality control related this is going to be by far the best HDTV for the money.
BTW Westinghouse web site lists 3 32" models: W1, W3 and W4, so I wouldn't be surprised if 37" had more than 1 model also.

I emailed them also, on Tuesday, no reply yet.
If JR is listing them, says they're getting them, then it seems to be legit, not just some unsubstantiated rumour. Let's hope.

Confirmed!

The LVM-37w3 does exist and should be released at some point this year.
You will see it show up on our website very soon.

I don't like this "some point this year" part since I want it now but otherwise glad to hear that it is coming after all.

I don't like this "some point this year" part since I want it now but otherwise glad to hear that it is coming after all.
Yeah, that's pretty vague, but then again, we have the report that J&R is expecting to get it next week. Furthermore, there was the post that Best Buy USA was expecting to list it March 19.

BTW, I was originally considering the 42", but if this new 37" has all the ports of the 42" with the same aesthetics, and is $1000 less, it will become a strong consideration. I would prefer a 42" for when I move into a bigger place, but 37" actually fits better for my current abode, and 1000 bux is nothing to sneeze at for "just" 5 inches.

However, considering it may still be a cross-purchase purchase (to Canada) I may hold out for the rest of you guys to test its waters first, before I take the plunge, especially part of the reason I'm making a 1080p screen purchase is for a PS3 and a second-generation Intel Mac mini. OTOH, in some ways it will be easier to risk ~$2000 (37" plus shipping) than it is to risk <$3000 (42" plus shipping) for a new TV purchased online.

stucandu also mentioned that Westinghouse is working on a deal with Best Buy Canada to sell Westinghouse TVs again. Here's hopin'...

BTW, I was originally considering the 42", but if this new 37" has all the ports of the 42" with the same aesthetics, and is $1000 less, it will become a strong consideration. I would prefer a 42" for when I move into a bigger place, but 37" actually fits better for my current abode, and 1000 bux is nothing to sneeze at for "just" 5 inches.



there's no way this will be $1000 less than the 42".

I would say $700-800 if we're lucky.

OK, US$800 less would be OK too. That's CAD$922. Close enough. :D

The 42" set's MSRP is $2799. I think $1999 might be a good guess for MSRP for the 37" LVM-37w3, since it breaks the magical $2000 barrier, but is still noticeably higher than what most stores are selling the old LVM-37w1 for (even though the LVM-37w1 has a MSRP of $2299). $1999 is also significantly higher than the $1699 MSRP for the LTV-37w2.

EDIT:

Hmmm... There is a Best Buy in Amherst New York. As far as I can tell, that's the closest USA Best Buy to Toronto. There doesn't seem to be one in Niagara Falls, NY. I am guessing the box should fit easily in my Prius, although it for sure will not fit if I stand it up. Whoever is first to buy this monitor, please post the box dimensions.

If it's true then my hats off to you. I will return my w1 in a second and wait for the w3. Then again I can't believe it till I see it. If the price is only $100 more than what the w1 is going for now then that's a steal. Let's all pray now.

The press release was made in January. The W2 has a built in ATSC tuner. Can't post the link as I haven't made 5 posts yet.

post 3

Post 4

Post 5........hopefully can post link next time...

https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release_LTV37w2-01-05-06.aspx?whlm=cnav[/url]https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release_LTV37w2-01-05-06.aspx?whlm=cnav

OK, US$800 less would be OK too. That's CAD$922. Close enough. :D

The 42" set's MSRP is $2799. I think $1999 might be a good guess for MSRP for the 37" LVM-37w3, since it breaks the magical $2000 barrier, but is still noticeably higher than what most stores are selling the old LVM-37w1 for (even though the LVM-37w1 has a MSRP of $2299). $1999 is also significantly higher than the $1699 MSRP for the LTV-37w2.

EDIT:

Hmmm... There is a Best Buy in Amherst New York. As far as I can tell, that's the closest USA Best Buy to Toronto. There doesn't seem to be one in Niagara Falls, NY. I am guessing the box should fit easily in my Prius, although it for sure will not fit if I stand it up. Whoever is first to buy this monitor, please post the box dimensions.

When I was picking up LVM37W1 I think I made some estimates for box size and it came out it wouldn't fit into my 2001 Honda Accord, unless I would take it out of box so I took my truck instead. I think Honda is much bigger than Prius so I doubt it would fit inside as the box is much bigger than TV itself. I think it's height was way too large in particular. Of course newer model seems to be lower, so maybe it will fit after all. As a side note: If I was in Canada , I would go to BB and have them hook up to all inputs and test right there on the store floor. Chances are, if it works well out of box, it will work for many years. I never bought extended warranty on electronics and so far never regret it yet (knock on the wood) so maybe lack of Westinghouse service in Canada will be irelevant anyway. I can't wait for this new HDTV.

I thought the original press release for the W2 was for a 1080p panel. Does this mean there is also a W3 panel or is this a misprint? Seems like if there really was a W3 it would have been announced at CES along with the 42" 1080p monitor, and the 32"and 40" with built in dvd. Link to the lcd's with dvd players is https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release_TV-DVDCombo-01-05-06.aspx?whlm=cnav

https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release_LTV37w2-01-05-06.aspx?whlm=cnav[/url]https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release_LTV37w2-01-05-06.aspx?whlm=cnav

That's the wrong model, besides they said this monitor will be sold alongside another, 1080p 37" model with 8 inputs. Unless they don't know how to count, it can't be LVM37W1 since LVM37W1 has only 7 inputs (and one output). The LVM37W3 should have 8 inputs (7 carry over from LVM37W1 plus HDMI, just like 42" model has). Still waiting for official word and specs on LVM37W3. BTW my BB guy said they expecting to get LVM37W6 but I think he was just confused.

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LMAO


i hope it really comes out next week or else im gonna go with a syntax

I thought the original press release for the W2 was for a 1080p panel. Does this mean there is also a W3 panel or is this a misprint? [/url][/U]

That's kinda the whole focus of this thread which you somehow didn't notice. :rolleyes:

stucandu,

I thought the original announcement for the W2 was that it was 1080p. Guess not or it has been revised... have been spending too much time reading too many forums while pulling allnighters.
Sorry

I thought the original announcement for the W2 was that it was 1080p. Guess not or it has been revised... have been spending too much time reading too many forums while pulling allnighters.
Sorry
The LTV-37w2 has never been been announced at 1080p. It has always been 1366x768.

There are three 37" models:

LVM-37w1: Current 1080p model with no tuner. (I presume "VM" means video monitor.)
LTV-37w2: Current 720p model with tuner. (Note the "TV" in the name.)
LVM-37w3: New 1080p model with no tuner, presumably to replace the LVM-37w1. (It also has "VM" in the name.) Hopefully out next week.

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More people are reporting lockups in the 42" thread. Also, insufficient overscan options are proving to be an annoyance. They say it's nice that the TV has a no overscan setting for PC inputs, but for TV you need overscan. The Westy allows it, but may overscan too much if turned on.

Blacks are pretty good, but not great, as expected. I wonder if the Sony/Sharp LCD 1300:1/1200:1 contrast ratios are significantly better. My guess is that they are indeed better since people who have seen the 37" LVM-37w1 next to the Sonys and Sharps say that the Westy is not as good.

Heh. I'm tempted just to throw in the towel and wait for that mythical SED panel from Toshiba/Canon. ;) But that wouldn't work either since rumour has it they may start at 55" and go up from there (even though their demo models were 42").

BTW, I was considering buying the 2405FPW 24" LCD monitor from Dell yesterday since they had a sale on. It supports component, S-video, VGA, DVI, etc. It would be mainly for my computer and to replace the 14" CRT beside it. However I held off... It doesn't support HDCP, and its replacement, the 2407FPW is due out soon. Hopefully it will support HDCP. Not that I need it for the computer, but if it's out soon, why not? :)

Of interest is that the 2405FPW and LVM-37w1 both claim a 1000:1 contrast ratio, but the former has a measured contrast ratio of 612:1 (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1774272,00.asp) and the latter Westy is 719:1 (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1885047,00.asp). Also, the 32" LTV-32w1 is 833:1 (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1927211,00.asp). Interestingly neither the 32" nor the 37" Westy had great ratings for either white or black uniformity, whatever that means. Is this the uneven backlight issue people are reporting with the 37w1?

One has to wonder how these measurements are done though, since the highly rated Sharp Aquos LC-45GX6U got a measured contrast ratio of 558:1 (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1865478,00.asp). What it did excel in though compared to the Westys was VESA White and Black Uniformity.

OK OK listen up. The LVM-37w3 IS BEING RELEASED! I emailed Westinghouse and just got a response. I was very skeptical but the rumor is true. I guess I have to say goodbye to my w1.


Thank you for your inquiry.

Yes, we are releasing a new 1920 x 1080 37" LCD monitor, aka the
LVM-37w3.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to let us know.


Westinghouse Digital Support Staff

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Are you releasing a new 1920 x 1080 37" LCD monitor, aka the LVM-37w3? I saw it at JR.com. Thank you.

OK OK listen up. The LVM-37w3 IS BEING RELEASED! I emailed Westinghouse and just got a response. I was very skeptical but the rumor is true. I guess I have to say goodbye to my w1.
What, Westinghouse's previous confirmation (http://avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7318379&&#post7318379) wasn't good enough for you? :rolleyes: :p

I guess the good news is that your response seems to suggest it's sooner rather than later (but we already knew that from JR and Best Buy). My guess is we'll see it on www.westinghousedigital.com next week.

:D :p I wasn't knocking you...hehe. I had to be skeptical b/c it might take a crobar to separate me from my w1. I really hope it comes out sooner than later. I'm praying for BestBuy to post it and have some good promotions with it.

I don't think anyone has posted an official responce from Westinghouse, on the inputs, and other features, so here you go:

Thank you for your inquiry.

It looks like the picture on jr.com:

...

So yes the look has changed - it looks like a small LVM-42w1.
Major differences:
It has a new OSD menu, an HDMI input instead of none, both DVI inputs support 1080p and are HDCP compliant instead of just one, and you can turn it up louder because it has 15 watt speakers instead of 10.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to let us know.


Westinghouse Digital Support Staff

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Hi.

I noticed that a few online vendors have the LVM-37w3 out for pre-order.
I was wondering if I could get details on what the differences were between the new model, and the LVM-37w1. Also, are there any form factor changes, or will it look almost identical to the old model?

Thank you.


With all the lock-up issues, and the higher price of the 42w2, I think I may just go for this model...

Well, I took back my w1 the other day since it was the last day I could return it. That was before we got these definite confirmations, so it's a major relief.

Now if only Best Buy Canada or FutureShop would get back with info on when they'll start stocking Westys. I don't want to have to trek to Buffalo again and pay all the extra tax and duty. :(

Well, if anyone goes into BB, make sure and have them search the inventory for one of these. Hopefully, at some point, we'll see them show up, like the 42" did.

2 emails from yesterday morning.


Thank you for your inquiry.

Yes, the 2 DVI and HDMI inputs on the LVM-37w3 all support a 1920 x 1080
resolution.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to let us know.



Westinghouse Digital Support Staff

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Do the 2 DVI and HDMI inputs ALL have a 1920 x 1080 resolution? Thanks?

Thank you for your inquiry.

We do not yet have a release date, but you can pre-order one


If you have any further questions, please feel free to let us know.


Westinghouse Digital Support Staff

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Great! Could you kindly provide me a release date and a MSRP? Thanks!

I was hoping for a specific release date too. I don't think I can take temporarily going back to using my 17" CRT.

Toebee, no links to specific items on store websites and no specific non-MSRP prices are allowed in this forum. See here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=488095).

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BTW, no LVM-37w3 at the Best Buy USA or Westinghouse Digital websites just yet. Come on guys, hurry up! ;)

Well i have a question for anyone who knows. I notice some sets have a 8ms response time and this 37w3 has 12ms. Would i be able to tell the difference? I seem to remember reading somewhere the human eye cant notice anything below 20 something? Is this true? Let me know. Also i have kids, so how would you clean the screen if it got finger prints all over it?

I had a Syntax LT32HVE that had an 8ms response time. I was a bit reluctant to move to a panel that had a slower response, ie the LVM37w1, but I liked the 1080p aspect and the better connectivity and features,so I went for it. I had both of them in my living room for 2 weeks during the Olympics. I couldn't see any major difference in response time, ghosting, pixelization, etc. So, in this case, I don't think it's a problem.
Bear in mind that manufacturers have different methods of determining response times, some measure it from black to white to black, and others from grey to white to grey, because that's what the real world application is, so they say. Obviously grey to grey is going to be faster, so check the specs closely and try and demo it yourself first using fast moving, high contrast scenes to see if there is ghosting. Explosions in dark scenes are good indicators if the processor can keep up with the actual image. If you see pixelization, the response time is too slow. At least that's my understanding.

As far as cleaning, don't use Windex or ammonia or alcohol base cleaners. A damp soft cloth is probably adequate, and there are commercially available LCD screen cleaners available at most electronics stores. '

hey thanks for the input. I dont know much about LCDs since i have had crt tubes my whole life. Thanks

Bear in mind that manufacturers have different methods of determining response times, some measure it from black to white to black, and others from grey to white to grey, because that's what the real world application is, so they say. Obviously grey to grey is going to be faster, so check the specs closely and try and demo it yourself first using fast moving, high contrast scenes to see if there is ghosting. Explosions in dark scenes are good indicators if the processor can keep up with the actual image. If you see pixelization, the response time is too slow. At least that's my understanding.

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It is not always the case that grey to grey is faster than black to black. When you're switching pixel on and off (black to black), you can use full voltage, high voltage makes the pixel switch faster. Switching grey to grey, you can't use full voltage therefore the switching is slower. The work around it is to drive the pixel at full voltage for very short time, to get it going and then lower the voltage to proper level before it goes too far. This overdriving speeds up gray to gray response in newer panels even if black to black is pretty much the same as in older designs. Pixelization is caused much more often by low data rate in fast changing scene and it would be less visible in lower resolution sets. If you're looking for sign of slow response time, look for ghosting of moving objects. For me around 16 ms response time is the magic number. Above 16 ms I begin to see ghosting, bellow that I don't. YMMV.

what about brightness? I notice the new westy is 500nm? and the syntax is 800nm. Does that have to do with how well it works in a lighted room?

The 42" LVM-42w2 is now showing at Best Buy, but I still don't see the 37" LVM-37w3. Once the 37" showing there, maybe I'll consider driving down to Amherst, NY and pick one up. Or maybe I'll just get that 42". :p

what about brightness? I notice the new westy is 500nm? and the syntax is 800nm. Does that have to do with how well it works in a lighted room?
The brightness is listed at 550 cd/m2 for the previous model LVM-37w1. JR says the new LVM-37w3 is the same (as would be expected since they likely use the same LCD panel). I don't know how comparable it is, but my iMac is listed at 500 cd/m2, and it's far too bright even with the lights on. I turn the backlighting on the thing way, way down.

I don't see any listed brightness for the 37" Syntax Olevia (http://secure.syntaxgroups.com/products/specs.jsp?pid=lt37hvs). Also, I only see a 720p model. I know they're releasing 1080p 42" and 47" models, but are they releasing a 1080p 37" model?

Personally I'm more concerned with the contrast. It's listed at 800:1 for the iMac and I find it pretty good, but it's not the best I've seen. The 37w1 is listed at 1000:1 but I'm not sure how the numbers jive. FWIW, the 37w1 is listed at 1000:1 and is measured at 719:1 (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1885047,00.asp) in one test, which they consider excellent for an LCD panel.

Actually what I'm most concerned about is bugs and quality control. There were a fair number of issues with 37" LVM-37w1. Indeed, in the same LVM-37w1 review (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1885047,00.asp) I posted above, they give it less than stellar marks for VESA white and black uniformity (whatever that means). In fact, for black uniformity, they gave it a downright "poor" rating.

While some claim the new 42" LVM-42w2 looks better built (and the new 37" LVM-37w3 is using the same design as the 42"), the 42" is not problem free either unfortunately.

I had LVM37w1 for few days, before I had to return it due to malfunction and the first thing I had to do is lower the brightness, I was affraid it will torch the room, lol. I don't think brightness should be problem on this set, of course YMMV.

yeah i just dont know what to do, i want a panel that does 1080p but i want good blacks and whites and the westy's seem to have alot of complaints as far as reliability but im set on a 37" and im set on 1080p but there isnt much out there for under 2k.

oh and no they so far have not said anything about a 1080p syntax 37", i was just comparing the w3 to the 37" syntax.

oh and no they so far have not said anything about a 1080p syntax 37", i was just comparing the w3 to the 37" syntax.

I kindly disagree with your statement. Syntax was talking 37", 1080p monitor more than a year ago and they never delivered. They were also promising digital tuner for older Olevia models and somehow I haven't seen that either. I liked Syntax since they provided good quality at very reasonable price, but they made some promises they couldn't keep and fell behind the cutting edge soon after. Westinghouse at the moment seems to be much bolder with bigger selection of models etc. and it's my new favorite. And lets not kid ourselves: You don't expect the least expensive 1080p HDTV to have the best specs accross the board? It is already embarassing that Westy provides 5 HD inputs, full 1080p and other things than twice as expensive sets can dream off. Specs mean nothing if you can't tell the difference between them, for example once you past certain minimum response time, faster response time makes no difference that I could see. LVM37W1 I've looked at, had no uniformity issues I could see, so make your guess how much I care about ratings in the magazine?

Sorry i never heard of the 1080p syntax but that would be cool if they did it, i like the glass screens since i have kids. I did for the first time see the 37 w1 today and i was thinking it looks really nice, i saw some clips from video games and video and stuff and though it looked great, and i dont see what people are complaining about with blacks they looked ok to me. I did see a 32 westy too but that one had some light spots in the corners during dark scenes.

Hmmm... Given the issues like the vertical banding issue (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7337586&&#post7337586) that the 42" LVM-42w2 suffers, I've decided that unless the 37" LVM-37w3 is way better, I'm not buying. What I mean by way better is 10 people here buying with no more than 1 with significant issues such as vertical banding or lockups or corner bleed, etc.

I'm thinking I may just wait to see if Sony releases their Bravia X 1080p line with PC compatibility at 40" in Q3. If they do and I can get it for less than $3000 US, I might just be prepared to shell out, even if I'm forced to buy an HDMI switcher (http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=2654).

http://www.ramelectronics.net/assets/images/gefen/4x1hdmiswitcher.jpg
http://www.ramelectronics.net/assets/images/gefen/4x1hdmiswitcherback.jpg

Bugs,
Yeah, that banding looks pretty bad, but maybe it's just his set alone.

Anyway, if you were going to buy the 42" in Amherst, just be aware that you'll get hit with 8.75 % NY tax. Then at the border they'll tag you for 5% duty on your total cost (including tax). Then tack another 15% for PST, GST on that.
I did the calculations for you and it works out to about $3800 Cdn. :eek:

I think I'm waiting for the w3, and hopefully on this side of the border.

Either that or one of the EyeFi's. Hope to see reviews on them soon.

Hmmm... Given the issues like the vertical banding issue (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7337586&&#post7337586) that the 42" LVM-42w2 suffers, I've decided that unless the 37" LVM-37w3 is way better, I'm not buying. What I mean by way better is 10 people here buying with no more than 1 with significant issues such as vertical banding or lockups or corner bleed, etc.

I'm thinking I may just wait to see if Sony releases their Bravia X 1080p line with PC compatibility at 40" in Q3. If they do and I can get it for less than $3000 US, I might just be prepared to shell out, even if I'm forced to buy an HDMI switcher (http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=2654).

http://www.ramelectronics.net/assets/images/gefen/4x1hdmiswitcher.jpg
http://www.ramelectronics.net/assets/images/gefen/4x1hdmiswitcherback.jpg


I think you're being little paranoid. There was only one report of lock up on 42"(Don't think it was reproducible), and one report of vertical banding(this is a known issue with most big LCD TV on every brand, sometimes you just get unlucky), and the corner bleeding is associated with first generation 37" Westy which is also a common issue with LCD panels in general, however, not everyone's unit has this. Anyway, Sony Bravia X line will have it's own set of problems and issues. Noting is perfect and especially, people on this board is not a typical crowd of users. We seldom find things that no one ever notice. Anyway, I can assure you that Sony line will not provide as much 1080p connectivity as the newer Westy lines. Obviously, that won't be an issue if you're planing on getting the HDMI switcher. When you buy anything in a closed box, without testing the unit out at the store, there will always be a chance of picking out a lemon, hence the return policy exist. Some brands will have less occurance than the other, but nothing is guaranteed.

Either that or one of the EyeFi's. Hope to see reviews on them soon.
Hmmm... Sam's club says Contrast Ratio - 700:1, but EyeFi says 1000:1.

Interestingly, EyeFi uses ChiMei panels, which Westinghouse uses too. While ChiMei claims 1000:1, but one PCMag review had the 37 at 721:1, curiously close to Sam's Club's listed number. (It's probably just by chance that Sam's Club's typo was close to this number, but hey. ;) )

Too bad this Eyefi isn't available in Canada either.

I think you're being little paranoid. There was only one report of lock up on 42"(Don't think it was reproducible), and one report of vertical banding(this is a known issue with most big LCD TV on every brand, sometimes you just get unlucky), and the corner bleeding is associated with first generation 37" Westy which is also a common issue with LCD panels in general, however, not everyone's unit has this. Anyway, Sony Bravia X line will have it's own set of problems and issues. Noting is perfect and especially, people on this board is not a typical crowd of users. We seldom find things that no one ever notice. Anyway, I can assure you that Sony line will not provide as much 1080p connectivity as the newer Westy lines. Obviously, that won't be an issue if you're planing on getting the HDMI switcher. When you buy anything in a closed box, without testing the unit out at the store, there will always be a chance of picking out a lemon, hence the return policy exist. Some brands will have less occurance than the other, but nothing is guaranteed.
More than one person has reported lockups with Westinghouse TVs, including more than one with the 42". Furthermore, Westinghouse is aware of the problem. Vertical banding does occur with many TV brands, but I am seeing more issues reported with the Westinghouse TVs.

The Sony Bravia line will have issues I'm sure, but one major benefit for me is the fact that I can buy the Sony locally and get it serviced locally. That alone is worth a couple of hundred bux of a price premium for me. Westinghouse has no TV service centre anywhere in Canada.

Hmmm... Sam's club says Contrast Ratio - 700:1, but EyeFi says 1000:1.

Interestingly, EyeFi uses ChiMei panels, which Westinghouse uses too. While ChiMei claims 1000:1, but one PCMag review had the 37 at 721:1, curiously close to Sam's Club's listed number. (It's probably just by chance that Sam's Club's typo was close to this number, but hey. ;) )

Too bad this Eyefi isn't available in Canada either.




If you read through the EyeFi thread you'll find that the specs on the Sam's Club site are incorrect. The Eyefi site specs are correct.
You'll also see that that Eyefi will ship to Canada, but the prices are higher than at Sam's.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7337250#post7337250

I noticed that the price on JR for the 42" was the same as BB, so I have to think that the JR price on the 37" will be the same also.

This has already been alluded to, but Westinghouse also told me that they do not have an official MSRP (yet) on the 37" Westy.

If you read through the EyeFi thread you'll find that the specs on the Sam's Club site are incorrect. The Eyefi site specs are correct.
You'll also see that that Eyefi will ship to Canada, but the prices are higher than at Sam's.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7337250#post7337250
It's the same Chi Mei panel, but I wonder about the backlight. I could forego the extra inputs if it meant less chance of a backlight issue.

I'm still leaning toward the 1080p 40" Bravia X though... :p

So what's the deal on this guys? I can't find it on westinghouse's site. No word on when it will be shipping?

The LVM-37w3 is showing up in the internal BB system[EDIT]

I can't find it on their website yet.

What is interesting is that the LVM-37w1 product page on BB is gone. If you search for it, then click the link for more details, it says the page is gone...

:)

Just noticed that also. Maybe the W3 will be up later today.

My fingers are crossed...if that still works when you are 30?

When i looked at the w1 yesterday at bestbuy it had a clearence sitcker on its price card. So that should mean something.

I finally decided to pull the trigger on the w1 on sunday. Went to BB because I wanted a replacement plan (in case I got unlucky with backlighting). None left in the store, the tag was clearance. And next to the clearance tag, what a tag for the w2 listed at the same price the clearance price for the w1. My heart sank when i saw the 720p resolution on the w2 tag, omg. Glad to hear a w3 is coming, I'll be waiting impatiently.

I did say I was impatient. So searching 56 random sites was not out of my scope. Enjoy these links.

-I need 5 posts for url posting privileges, bleh.

Try this instead. Go to the westinghouse site. Go to the product page for the 37w1. The url ends in pc-26-7-37-1080p-monitor.aspx.

Change this to pc-53-7-37-1080p-monitor.aspx (w2 product page)
Then try pc-14-7-37-1080p-monitor.aspx (w3 product page)



From the looks of the models, these look like older mockups. But hey, its still fun.

What is interesting is that the LVM-37w1 product page on BB is gone. If you search for it, then click the link for more details, it says the page is gone...
Yeah, that 37w1 page at Best Buy is dead for me too. No 37w3 page yet though.


I did say I was impatient. So searching 56 random sites was not out of my scope. Enjoy these links.

-I need 5 posts for url posting privileges, bleh.

Try this instead. Go to the westinghouse site. Go to the product page for the 37w1. The url ends in pc-26-7-37-1080p-monitor.aspx.

Change this to pc-53-7-37-1080p-monitor.aspx (w2 product page)
Then try pc-14-7-37-1080p-monitor.aspx (w3 product page)

From the looks of the models, these look like older mockups. But hey, its still fun.
The w3 URL you listed (from the Westinghouse site) is a 32" model (https://www.westinghousedigital.com/pc-14-7-37-1080p-monitor.aspx). Strange that URL links to it though. Here (https://www.westinghousedigital.com/pc-14-2-32-lcd-hdtv.aspx) is the proper URL.

I searched up through about 60.jpg on the images, and didn't find any that looked like the 37". So, unless they jumped way up in numbers, it's not on the site yet...

(Westinghouse "cleverly" just numbers their pictures, so they can't be searched on google.)

pc-26-7-37-1080p-monitor.aspx

First number is the main picture number, i.e., 26.jpg, not sure about the 7, and the rest is obvious.

The 7 is the same as in the 42" link, so maybe it's common.

Would be cool to have a program that you could generate web site links with, then try them...hmm...might have to try and do something like that.

I think you guys are jonesing. :eek:
Might be time to book into AVholics Anonymous :D .

Yesterday a sales person a J&R said they expected the 37W3 in 7 to 10 more days. So, I last night I bought the Vizio L37 from Sam's.

I'll see (via this thread) how the new Westy looks and performs over the next few months. If it's a solid winner, then I'll go for it. In the meantime, I can enjoy the Vizio as a good value choice -- and my first venture into HDTV.

Decisions decisions. I preordered the w3 from J&R last week. There was a website error that added the 42w2 for less than a hundred. I was getting both monitors for around 2 grand. J&R cancelled the order but offered me free shipping. I took it. So I have the w3 on order for the J&R price, no tax or shipping. I got the w1 from Crutchfield for 150 less. Is a new form factor, better inputs, an updated OSD menu and better speakers worth the extra 150? I've had no problems with my w1 besides the 1/4 right of the screen being a little brighter than the rest and it has no dead pixels. I know that if the w3 had a new panel this would be an easy decision. I have to return my w1 in 1 1/2 weeks.

Yea, the J&R guy on the phone said that the first week of April was his best estimation on when the w3s would be available.

[QUOTE=Toebee] There was a website error that added the 42w2 for less than a hundred./QUOTE]
Teobee,
Yeah, I discovered the web error too. I did a double take, then tried to get it, but the system canceled the order -- just like you experienced.
It was funny and exciting while it lasted. :p

Did they offer you free shipping? I took since it was reported here that BB's price is higher than J&R's.

The LVM-37w3 is showing up in the internal BB system[EDIT]

Any indication of when it will be available either online or in-store?

The other issue is that with the price of the 42" falling (Crutchfield too) then $2k preorder price for the 37" is harder to bear . . . unless we learn that the 37 is definitively better than the 42.

TM

What is the difference between the Westy LTV-32W3 and the Westy LTV-32W6?

Looking at the website, I can't see any differences between the two. In the specs. or anywhere.

Will both the W3 and W6 be available at Best Buy?

If anyone knows the difference's between the two please elaborate.

The w6 doesn't appear to have a DVI input, but that's about the only difference I can see, aside from asthetics.

Saw the LTV-37w2 at BB tonight and it was very impressive for a 720p TV. In that particular store, the 37w2 wa sitting immediately above the old 37w1 and I thought the 37w2 was far superior. The black levels appeared to be much better and the dark details were certainly better too. You could see details in dark scenes that could not be seen on the w1. The overall asthetics of the LTV-37w2 was VERY GOOD and it now looks like a more mainstream brand. I never really warmed up to the looks of the 37w1, so the new look is a huge improvement IMHO. If the LVM-37w3 looks this good and has great picture quality, it may be the monitor for me. Too bad its not going to be an LTV-37w3 (as in TV, not a monitor) as it would be nice to have the 1080p panel, speakers and ATSC/NTSC tuners in one unit.

Enjoy,

TIC

Damn. This is an excruciating wait.
:(

I never really warmed up to the looks of the 37w1, so the new look is a huge improvement IMHO. If the LVM-37w3 looks this good and has great picture quality, it may be the monitor for me. Too bad its not going to be an LTV-37w3 (as in TV, not a monitor) as it would be nice to have the 1080p panel, speakers and ATSC/NTSC tuners in one unit.


I'm with you on the design improvement, the w1 was dorky looking IMO. The w3 is a vast improvement. Let's hope the rest pans out that way also.

The w3 does include speakers, like the w1, as far as can be told right now. Whether they're detachable is another question.

Just got my refund cheque from BB for the w1 return. Now I don't know whether to sit on the w3 or get an interim tv to tie me over for at least 30 days ;)

The w3 is a vast improvement. Let's hope the rest pans out that way also.
Judging by the LVM-42w2, I'm not optimistic. Lots of problems.

P.S. I went to my local Future Shop yesterday to check out some of the large 720p panels they had there. For some reason, basically all were being fed the same crappy analogue SD TV source.

What struck me was just how bad that source looked on the LCDs. On most of the expensive LCDs, it looked bad, but some were watchable. On most of the cheaper ones it just looked bad, period. OK, not so surprising, but it was very watchable on even the bargain basement CRTs. Now we already knew this, but I was just surprised at how much of a difference it was. ie. It looked noticeably better on a noname brand 26" CRT that costs a couple of hundred bux than it did on a $2500 name-brand 32" LCD.

You shouldn't go by the picture you see on the display floor. Who knows how they've set it up and what connections they used.

I was checking out some LCD's at BB last weekend and thought the pq was pretty bad on a HD signal. I looked in the back and it was hooked up via a RF cable. :eek:

No wonder it sucked. I can't imagine how bad it would have looked if it was a SD signal.

They really don't look like they have removable speakers. IMO, the w1 looks better than the w3 when it's wall mounted. I've seen the 42w2 in person and the plastic quality construction looks kind cheap compared to the 37w1's. But since I'll always have the w3 on it's stand I think it will look better than the w1 on it's stand with its speakers.

I also do not think the speakers are removable. They are, however, 5 watts each more powerful on the w3, versus the w1. No subwoofer though, like the 42w2.

I think I'm waiting on the w3. I can't justify the +$500 for the 42, as much as I'd like to have it. I just hope that the reason we aren't seeing the w3 yet, is because they are fixing the lock-up issue (with the 42 and hopefully, the 37).

You shouldn't go by the picture you see on the display floor. Who knows how they've set it up and what connections they used.

I was checking out some LCD's at BB last weekend and thought the pq was pretty bad on a HD signal. I looked in the back and it was hooked up via a RF cable. :eek:

No wonder it sucked. I can't imagine how bad it would have looked if it was a SD signal.
I adjusted some of the LCDs. They still sucked on that low rez noisy analogue SD signal no matter how much I tried to tweak them. Like I said, the worst CRT seemed to do better than the best LCD.

The problem was the signal was a bit noisy, and these LCDs really didn't seem to cope well as a group. (They looked great on HD though.)

Why does this even matter? Well, unfortunately a couple of the channels I sometimes watch are noisy analogue SD channels.

Hi everyone!

I've been reading up on this forum a lot but this is my first post :p . I was just at BB today and I talk to one of the sales guys there. He looked up the new Westinghouse 37w3. It showed up and I was told by the (not very smart) sales clerk that they were never going to carry it. I promptly asked him if he was sure ... cuz if they weren't going to carry it then why was it in their comp? He stood his ground. I saw the price and it was 200 more than the current BB price for the 37w1. Not bad I guess. Just to point out how bad this clerk was, he tried to sell me the 37w2 as a 1080p set! I was like "no it's not .. it's 1080i" and he said he had just sold it yesterday to a guy that walked in with all the stats on it. I wanted to be like "You work here and you are getting your info from random walk ins?" I'm very anxious to see how the 37v3 looks. The new 32" is quite attractive, although I am a huge fan of removable speakers.

To sum up, the 37w3 is in the system for sub 2k .. not bad if all the problems are solved, I'm sold!

Did he say why they weren't going to carry it, or offer any explanation why it was in their computer but still they wouldn't be carrying it?

I'm hoping he really was as dumb as you say, which wouldn't surprise me one bit for BB.

Best Buy will be carrying the LVM-37W3 it will be available within 2-3 weeks

He wasnt really willing to listen or talk that much. Had that very fast "what do you want? i know what im talking about go away" kinda talk. I hate that talk. I'm more than sure BB will carry it like sharp101 says

Best Buy will be carrying the LVM-37W3 it will be available within 2-3 weeks

Is this just conjecture, or hard and cold fact?

Not that I doubt you, but I'm wondering how it is you know this.

Good question. The J&R sales rep gave me the same estimation but he didn't quote that from the computer it was just his guess. I really wish there was a press release from Westinghouse.

Someone on the w1 thread also stated that BB will have them mid April.

I expect they'll actually have them in their warehouses sooner, much like the 42w2.

The LVM-37w3 is now also listed in the crutchfield system it will be priced the same as the listing on the J&R website.

The LVM-37w3 is now also listed in the crutchfield system it will be priced the same as the listing on the J&R website.


Not finding it in my searches there. :confused:

Me neither...

The LVM-37w3 is not on the crutchfield website yet but its in their system and again it will be priced the same as the J&R price.

How did you comes across this info? Do you work for them or did you call them? Anyway, thanks for the headsup.

The LVM-37w3 is not on the crutchfield website yet but its in their system and again it will be priced the same as the J&R price.

Yes, you seem to have a lot of insider information, both for BB and now Crutchfield.

What's your secret?

Its not inside info. I emailed Crutchfield to find out why the W1 was removed from their site and they replied it had been discontinued and being replaced by the W3. They quoted me the price for the W3 which was $100 more and said I could reserve it and would ship when it came in. If you want to buy a W3, Crutchfield is accepting phone orders at this time.

Two questions I guess while we wait. One, has anyone had good/bad experience with the service/replacement plan of BB vs JR vs Crutch that they could share with me? I was planning on buying the w1 from BB so I could buy their service contract in case the backlighting went on me, but I'd be willing to go with JR or Crutchfield is it was the general consensus that they're service plans are just as good.

Also, on my parents 50" SXRD, cartoon network, and anime in general looks relatively bad. I think the set trys to apply the 3d comb filter or something to it, because the lines of the characters are made of like 3 or 4 lines, in each direction. It looks fine when you sit back, but up close it looks aweful. Anyone know if the w1 had this same problem?

I can't speak from actual experience, but JR explicity states on their website that warranty concerns are to be dealt with by the manufacturers alone, and that the owner is responsible for looking after that. In other words, I don't think they do too much after sales service at all. However, you might want to read their policies over yourself, there may be more that I missed.
The nice thing about BB is that they have stores all over the place that you can take your set into for servicing if you get their extended warranty, so shipping isn't as big an issue as it would be with either Crutchfield or JR.
That's all I can give you.

As for your parents Sony, we'd need more information on how it's connected. Cartoon Network is not OTA as far as I know, so they must be using cable or satellite, but how is the STB connected? What are the settings on the STB, TV, etc.? There's a lot of variables that could combine to create this problem, so the more info you can provide, the better.

Not to hijack the thread, but here's another 37"1080p with nice connectivity.

http://www.vivitek.us/products.html



This is the 26" model, but check the back panel connections, they look very similar to the LVM37w1 connection block. :eek:
http://www.shopnbc.com/product/?track=-80500&familyid=V37397

Even more similarities on the 32"
http://www.shopnbc.com/product/?familyid=V37284&storeid=1&track=-20101

Also, there's a promo video on that 32" site, and if you play it, take a close look at the OSD menu. It's just like the 37w1's menu.

I'm thinking this is the same display, just rebadged.
And I mean the same as the LVM37w3, since the connections are identical.
Only thing I don't get is the 8ms response time on this unit as opposed to JR's specs which state 12ms, same as the w1. However, JR's specs aren't official.

BTW, to get that video to play, I had to post the URL in RealPlayer, then click on the video link on the page.

Apparantly this company has pretty poor customer support though:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7377237#post7377237

26" and 32" models are not 1920x1080 panels and therefore part of " me too" crowd of hundreds of models to choose from, don't belong in this thread. Also there is no mention of 37" TV to be able to accept 1080p inputs except on VGA. Since there are 1920x1080 panels that don't accept 1080p, I would make sure this TV accepts 1080p on all digital inputs, before wasting my time even looking at it. Customer support is least of my worries. Usually either the set works or it doesn't and then goes for return or exchange to the store. The chances of any electronic device breaking within one year warranty period, in normal use is probably much less than 10% and it would affect only few unlucky owners.

26" and 32" models are not 1920x1080 panels and therefore part of " me too" crowd of hundreds of models to choose from, don't belong in this thread. Also there is no mention of 37" TV to be able to accept 1080p inputs except on VGA. Since there are 1920x1080 panels that don't accept 1080p, I would make sure this TV accepts 1080p on all digital inputs, before wasting my time even looking at it. Customer support is least of my worries. Usually either the set works or it doesn't and then goes for return or exchange to the store. The chances of any electronic device breaking within one year warranty period, in normal use is probably much less than 10% and it would affect only few unlucky owners.

The 26 and 32 models are useful for comparison and there isn't any other online information that I can find about the 37" other than the Vivitek site, and this:

http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/Vivitek-LT37PL1A.htm

which doesn't offer any more info.

Also, there isn't any indication that this display doesn't accept 1080p over the digital inputs, and that's part of the reason this post was made, especially since the similarities between this unit and the Westys can't be dismissed.

And, if you didn't read the link concerning customer service, it might change your views on the benefits of good, or even reasonable, customer service.

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And, if you didn't read the link concerning customer service, it might change your views on the benefits of good, or even reasonable, customer service.
End of quote

In my whole life I owned about 5 different TV's, 3 audio systems, 6 still cameras, 4 video cameras, about 10 computer systems etc. In all that time I contacted customer service once. There are horror stories about every company, valid or not. Either way the best customer service is the one you never have to contact.

That may be all well and true, but I think that most consumers like to have the knowledge that their product has decent customer support. Apparantly these guys service is not only dismal, but somewhat suspect. Westinghouse, OTH, provides quite excellent customer support, so if it was shown that these are merely rebadged displays, and someone was thinking about them, they might think twice if they knew what the customer support was like.

The LVM-37W3 will be coming in this wednesday.

The chances of any electronic device breaking within one year warranty period, in normal use is probably much less than 10% and it would affect only few unlucky owners.
10% is a very big number actually. Usually it's much lower than that, say around 3% for some stuff. Still, that said it becomes a major headache when that 3% involves you, especially if requires sending the thing back through the mail.

I've had two computers manifest some sort of acquired defect recently. Fortunately, with both it was within the first year (although after the first few months) so I could get them repaired locally under warranty. However, I just got an external hard drive that is being flaky, and I have to send it back to California.

Anyways, I'm definitely not going to buy the Westy LVM-37w3 anytime soon. Even if I could get it in Amherst, NY, I wouldn't want to have to drive there again for a replacement if I needed one.

In the meantime, I've ordered a Dell W2606c 26" LCD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=660606) to replace my secondary TV, almost as a test run of LCD TVs. (This is my first LCD TV. My current two TVs are CRTs, including an HD one.) It's not 1080p, but I figure 768p ain't bad for a 26-incher, and I got a killer deal on it.


The LVM-37W3 will be coming in this wednesday.
Despite the fact I'm not going to be buying one anytime soon, I still look forward to the reports from those of you that do. I hope it has better QA than the 37" LVM-37w1 and 42" LVM-42w2 models. If so I'll keep it in mind when I replace my primary TV.

P.S. The LVM-37w3 is still not showing on the Crutchfield, Best Buy USA, ecost, and etronics websites. The LVM-37w1 is available at Crutchfield, but they're saying it's low stock.

The LVM-37W3 will be coming in this wednesday.


Where, where, where????
Of course it will be available on Wednesday, I'm waiting for it for a month now and Thursday morning I'm flying for 2 weeks to Vegas and won't be able to do anything until I come back.

The LVM-37W3 will be coming in this wednesday.
coming into where?

I had assumed sharp101 was talking about Crutchfield, but I see now that he has mentioned Best Buy too in a previous post.


Where, where, where????
Of course it will be available on Wednesday, I'm waiting for it for a month now and Thursday morning I'm flying for 2 weeks to Vegas and won't be able to do anything until I come back.
Heh. Hey, maybe it will come in locally for you and you can buy it Thursday night, stay up all night setting it up and writing a review for us, and then pack in the early morning for your trip to Las Vegas. :D

I was in the same boat once waiting for a digital camera. Luckily for me it came in Friday so I could take it with me Saturday on my trip to Italy. Too bad you can't take the TV with you. ;)

Oh and while you're in Vegas, please check out the eyefi store (http://eyefi.tv/) for us. :)

Oh and while you're in Vegas, please check out the eyefi store (http://eyefi.tv/) for us. :)

Strangely, the Eyefi store isn't listed on the site any longer and there are other changes to the site also.

Strangely, the Eyefi store isn't listed on the site any longer and there are other changes to the site also.
It's still there. (http://eyefi.tv/contact.htm)

color me crazy, but...I just pre-ordered one of these from Crutchfield for a pretty nice price. This is my first HDTV, and I can't waaaaait!!!

It's still there. (http://eyefi.tv/contact.htm)

No, that's not the Vegas store address. Vegas is not in Arizona.

Anyway, something for another thread, really.

I almost forgot to mention that the LVM-37w3 will have a response time 8 ms time not the 12 response time stated on the J&R website and it will also have a Brightness: 550 cd/m2.

I almost forgot to mention that the LVM-37w3 will have a response time 8 ms time not the 12 response time stated on the J&R website and it will also have a Brightness: 600 cd/m2.


Yeah, more evidence that those Vivitek models are rebadged Westys... interesting.

Yeah, more evidence that those Vivitek models are rebadged Westys... interesting.
Hmmm... Interesting. Another brand to keep an eye out for in Canada, if the Westys don't show up here.


color me crazy, but...I just pre-ordered one of these from Crutchfield for a pretty nice price. This is my first HDTV, and I can't waaaaait!!!
Hmmm... I didn't see it on the Crutchfield site.



No, that's not the Vegas store address. Vegas is not in Arizona.
It's says Las Vegas, Nevada right in the link.

http://eyefi.tv/contact.jpg

EDIT:

It seems it was cached on my system. Here's the address if anyone cares:

http://homepage.mac.com/eugwanker/.Pictures/eyefi-contact.jpg

color me crazy, but...I just pre-ordered one of these from Crutchfield for a pretty nice price. This is my first HDTV, and I can't waaaaait!!!


How were you able to pre-order the LVM37w3 on Crutchfield. :confused:

I checked and I can't locate this model, only the 37w1, the 42w2, and a 30" model.

You can preorder the LVM-37w3 over the phone with crutchfield.

Hmmm... Interesting. Another brand to keep an eye out for in Canada, if the Westys don't show up here.

Yes, very interesting. I'm surprised more people haven't commented on it.
As for availability up here, I emailed them, no answer yet.

It's says Las Vegas, Nevada right in the link.

http://eyefi.tv/contact.jpg

Ok, something's really weird here, but look at my last post on the official EyeFi site and hopefully that'll explain it.
When I click on your link, it goes to their new, "Sam's certified", web site, and the address is different...so there's some weirdness going on.



Hmmm... I didn't see it on the Crutchfield site.

Nor did I, maybe he meant JR.

You can preorder the LVM-37w3 over the phone with crutchfield.


exactly. Call them. It's in their system, and you can order it. They have no idea when to expect it, however. I'm HOPING this week.

That's why they don't have it on the site, because Westy has not given them a concrete date of when to expect it. At least, that's what TWO reps told me.

I took advantage of the 18 months same as cash offer...I'll just pay it off in a few months to avoid interest. It was too good to turn down.

oh, and by the way...I was only the third person to pre-order that display from Crutchfield.

Strangely, the Eyefi store isn't listed on the site any longer and there are other changes to the site also.

Go to website, click on Contact Us...

They're on 2279 North Rampart, LV, NV, 89128

Go to website, click on Contact Us...

They're on 2279 North Rampart, LV, NV, 89128


:rolleyes:
OK, there's a little SNAFU with their website right now, check the official EyeFi thread for more info
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7384690&&#post7384690

Westinghouse Digital Electronics, one of the top five LCD TV manufacturers in the U.S.(1), today announced the latest addition to its high-definition (HD) 1080p line, the 37-inch model LVM-37w3, which features a bright flat panel, fast response time, high contrast ratio and six HD inputs, and 1920 x 1080 progressive scan (1080p) resolution, the highest standard available to consumers for HD digital video display. The LVM-37w3 joins the Westinghouse 42-inch 1080p HD LCD monitor, model LVM-42w2.

"Westinghouse Digital was the first manufacturer to bring 1080p LCD displays to market and now offers consumers the widest selection of 1080p HD monitors currently available," said Rey Roque, vice president of marketing for Westinghouse Digital Electronics. "Consumers can enjoy a variety of high-resolution multimedia entertainment options with the LVM-37w3, including watching HDTV broadcasts and HD DVD movies, surfing the Internet, playing video games or viewing digital photos. 1080p resolution leads the industry in picture clarity and vividness, delivering more than 2 million pixels for the ultimate digital entertainment experience."

The versatile LVM-37w3 offers six HD input connectors for a variety of devices, including cable or satellite set-top box, DVD player, high-performance gaming platform such as an Xbox 360, and a PC. The 16:9 aspect ratio is ideal for viewing movies in their original format, as well as for playing video games and surfing the Internet.

The LVM-37w3 features an attractive black chassis with silver trim and attached speakers. The thin, flat-panel design weighs just 43 pounds without the base, and can be easily mounted on a wall.

The LVM-37w3 offers a 16.7 million True Color display, fast 8ms response time and wide 176-degree horizontal and vertical viewing angles that make it possible to see clear images from almost anywhere in the room. The LVM-37w3 has an estimated retail price of $1,899.

Product specifications include:

LVM-37w3
Screen size: 37 inches
Native resolution: 1920x1080
Aspect ratio: 16:9
Brightness: 550 cd/m2
Contrast ratio: 1000:1
Viewing angle: 176-degree (horizontal)
176-degree (vertical)
Response time: 8 ms
Display Colors: 16.7 million True Color

Excellent way to start a new page in this thread. :)

However, where did you find it? I did not see it on Westinghouse's website.

MSRP $1899: That breaks the $2000 barrier, and even beats my guesstimate of $1999 MSRP.

Sharp101 is constantly pulling rabbits out of his hat.
Westinghouse doesn't even have this press release on their own website yet.

Anyway, it's good news for sure.

The MSRP is the same as BB's normal list price for the 37w1, for the improved w3.

JR and Crutchfield are looking good.

hmm, this might be the set for me, not as cumbersome, heavy, and expensive as the 42" but still have a 1080p panel without as many nuances as the w1.

can't wait for reviews.

hmm, this might be the set for me, not as cumbersome, heavy, and expensive as the 42" but still have a 1080p panel without as many nuances as the w1.

can't wait for reviews.


if westy would get them to crutchfield, they could ship mine and I could offer up a review!! :D

OK, I think this may finally be the TV for me. If only it had a built-in tuner. I was thinking about getting the new 32" model. But I really want 1080P (I want to build a HTPC), so I think I am leaning towards this 37". Now I just need to see a few reviews. :)

Quick, someone get one to see if the QC issues from the W1 were solved, not to mention the ones on the 42" W2.

Sharp101, I like you.

TM

Sharp101 stop playing with our emotions! Let us know where you got that press release. Mean...just mean.

Westinghouse now has the press release for the LVM-37w3 on their website. I would post a direct link but I haven't posted enough yet to allow me to. Just go to westinghousedigital and click on Company and then Press Releases.

https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release-03-28-2006.aspx?whlm=cnav

Sharp101 stop playing with our emotions! Let us know where you got that press release. Mean...just mean.

I think he's a Westinghouse insider.
How else would he have gotten the press release before it was even posted on the website. Then there's all the other insider info posts on availability, etc. he's put on here.

Not that I'm against any of it, not at all. Just curious...

I was thinking that too. Sharp101 you are my new best friend.

8 ms response time? Does that mean a new panel?

Westinghouse is using a brand new LCD panel for the LVM-37w3. I consider the quality of the new panel a vast improvement over the LVM-37w1.

Westinghouse is using a brand new LCD panel for the LVM-37w3.
sharp101, you have a PM.

Westinghouse is using a brand new LCD panel for the LVM-37w3. I consider the quality of the new panel a vast improvement over the LVM-37w1.

I'm salivating already

It's on the Westinghouse site now...

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/p-56-37-1080p-monitor.aspx

Also, who's going to be the first to own one?

Just got back from BB, and they have them listed in their system now (begin date was listed as today, 3/28), and the price is MSRP, which is $1899. They had 24 in stock...

He said I could buy one right that minute, drive 5 miles and pick it up at the wherehouse, and be testing it out tonight... Very tempting, but I'm also married...got to get the thumbs up first!

It's on the Westinghouse site now...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7382861#post7382861

Also, who's going to be the first to own one?

Just got back from BB, and they have them listed in their system now (begin date was listed as today, 3/28), and the price is MSRP, which is $1899. They had 24 in stock...

He said I could buy one right that minute, drive 5 miles and pick it up at the wherehouse, and be testing it out tonight... Very tempting, but I'm also married...got to get the thumbs up first!

wow. I pre-ordered from Crutchfield, but they have NO idea when they're getting it in stock :(

Geogecko ... thats a htpc case link me thinks? Regardless ... I'm gonna buy the tv tomorrow after work if BB has them in stock. I'll give y'all a reivew as soon as a can. Work may be a b*tch tomorrow so I might be a little late.

I just checked westinghouses page and didnt see it? Can you repost that link?

Need 5 posts.

Sorry for spam

https://www.westinghousedigital.com/p-56-37-1080p-monitor.aspx

My bad, this cutting and pasting inside Firefox sometimes does strange things...

*Fixed*

Looks like they had to wait until the "official" press release, before they could even have it in their system. I mean, they must have been sitting in the wherehouse for a day or longer, I would think.

I wish the price was a little better, but it's still better than the nice price BB was offering when the 42" first came out...

Oh one more thing westinghouse updated the OSD menu software and the LVM-37w3 is coming with a new remote.

Remote looks at least decent, compared to the old ones...still doesn't appear to have individual input selection though...

http://www.thebentzhome.com/pics/avs/remote.jpg

Is the Crutchfield preorder price the same as JR's?

Yes

Westinghouse is using a brand new LCD panel for the LVM-37w3. I consider the quality of the new panel a vast improvement over the LVM-37w1.

Sharp101... Would you be able to tell us (in your opinion) how the 37w3 LCD panel compare's to that of the 42w2?

I am absolutely torn between the two. Are there significant, or simply subtle differences?

Your information is much appreciated.

Soulchild

Oh one more thing westinghouse updated the OSD menu software and the LVM-37w3 is coming with a new remote.
Doesn't the LVM-42w2 use the old menu software and old remote? If so I'll be optimistic and say that perhaps the internals of the LVM-37w3 are different from the LVM-42w2. Or maybe not... :p


Westinghouse is using a brand new LCD panel for the LVM-37w3. I consider the quality of the new panel a vast improvement over the LVM-37w1.
New Chi Mei?

When looking at the online user manual, I saw that one of the inputs on page 7 is a "service port: For factory use only". Sort of looks like ethernet cable plug-in. I don't think the 42" had one of these did it? Or was it just covered up? Possibility of a firmware upgrade? :)

Someone on the 42" thread, said the service port was USB...

Actually, it was on the 42" thread, but stated about the 40" TV/DVD combo...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7392714#post7392714

Westinghouse is using a brand new LCD panel for the LVM-37w3. I consider the quality of the new panel a vast improvement over the LVM-37w1.

Sharp 101,

I'm curious if the panel used in the LVM-37w3 in newer and better than the panel used in the LVM-42w2. With reports of vertical banding from some owners of the 42w2, I'm wondering if we will have the same issue with the 37w3. I'm starting to think vertical banding is an issue with LCDs in general. I'm returning the new LG 32LC2D due to unacceptable banding.


To illustrate my hobby or obssession, since Jan. 28, I've been a 3 week owner of the Sharp 32DA5U, 3 week owner of the Westy 37w1, and now 4 day owner of the LG 32LC2D. Whether it be vertical banding, corner bleeding, red push, non-uniform brightness, chirping, etc, I've eventually returned all of these LCDs. I'm optimistic that the Westy 37w3 will be my permanent LCD. The 37w1 had the best picture quality of all the LCDs I've tried (sharpest, most accurate colors). I returned the unit due to non-uniform brightness and corner bleeding. It appears that the 42w2 doesn't have these problems, so hopefully the 37w3 won't either.

Hey Sharp,
Wondering if your insight into all things Westinghouse would be able to tell us Canadians on this site whether or not we'll be seeing these units for sale in Canada any time soon. I was told by Westinghouse customer service a few weeks back that they are in negotiation with BB Canada and Future Shop, but so far, nothing...

We igloo dwellers ( :D ) are kinda jonesing for 1080p sets, and these Westys would sell like hotcakes up here.

Thanks

Remote looks at least decent, compared to the old ones...still doesn't appear to have individual input selection though...

http://www.thebentzhome.com/pics/avs/remote.jpg

Buttons 20 to 25 are individual inputs. The w1 had those also.

Much nicer looking remote, the backlight button is a great idea, but the mute button is in an awkward spot.
Oh well, can't have everything.

Ok, in the online manual it appears that all the input connectors are on one side of the rear spine. This is a departure from the w1, where they were divided among the 2 sides. I think I preferred that method, since it's going to be awfully crowded with cables on that one side. :eek:

Also, I'm really hoping the connectors are on the left side (facing the back). I can hide my cables a lot better on that side. I have a feeling they're not, though. :(

No they are split between two sides. There is a quick connect PDF on the website that shows they are on both sides. They just edited the two sides together in the user's manual.

Assuming that there isn't a huge outcry of problems in this thread, then I will be buying this tv in a few weeks. It Looks like westinghouse has responded to some of the complaints people here have made.

The W3 has 60 watts less power consumption than the W1.

W1 - 270 watts
W3 - 210 watts

The W3 has 60 watts less power consumption than the W1.

W1 - 270 watts
W3 - 210 watts
Yep. However, the reduction in power was kind of expected, since the bigger LVM-42w2 uses 270 Watts too. Not sure why the original 37w1 uses so much power.

Buttons 20 to 25 are individual inputs. The w1 had those also.

Much nicer looking remote, the backlight button is a great idea, but the mute button is in an awkward spot.
Oh well, can't have everything.

Except DVI and YPbPr. The same button controls both DVI inputs (or both YPbPr), which is fine, as long as you don't use more than one, when trying to use a Harmony remote control...

I notice there are two blank buttons on either side of the input buttons. I wonder if those might be assignable. Nothing in the manual to suggest this, but one can hope.

I notice there are two blank buttons on either side of the input buttons. I wonder if those might be assignable. Nothing in the manual to suggest this, but one can hope.

Almost looks like an attempt to make DVI 1 and 2, and YPbPr 1 and 2 individual input codes...will not be on this revision though, as I've already confirmed that from Westinghouse, but, it's interesting that each extra button is above DVI or YPbPr... :)

mmm.. hope some good reviews come out about this panel.. could be getting it in a month or two!

1. Anyone know what company is making the actual panel of this device? I know often these so-called "off-brands" use panels from companies that make future service near impossible..... and....

2. Any Westinghouse owners have any service done on their units? Im worried about some brands like this, olevia, akai, etc. (just other examples) that service companies are already having a hard time finding parts for.....let alone if something happens in a year or 2. An example....a friend of mine owns a good sized electronics repair store near here.....lately, he has seen a few Gateway plasmas come in for repair, only to find any support/parts for them non-existent......or extremely hard to find, thus increasing the cost dramatically.

is it wrong that the thought of getting this TV makes my pants tight? :confused:

is it wrong that the thought of getting this TV makes my pants tight? :confused:

In so many ways...

In so many ways...


Good :D

Ok guys most best buy warehouses now have the LVM-37w3 in stock.

Ok guys most best buy warehouses now have the LVM-37w3 in stock.

Thanks.

Interesting thing was, that the computer said that that particular store wasn't going to carry it.

If they have them in the warehouses, why are no stores going to carry them? Or is it only a select few that will be?

I have been told that I need to wait for it to go on sale... :(

this is getting good.

42in vs 37in. Thats 5 inches!! Is not a great difference for you guys?
do you still prefer the 37incher because of the new remote and OSD ?

I mean , if both sets had same PQ and no VB problems..
Is it worth the $600 USD the extra size?

I would like to read you opinions..

In resume 42 incher is 29.4% larger than a 37" and also is a 31.5% more expensive..
Damnit, i see the reason now. 31.5% > 29.4%

Best Regards.

42" incher = [29.4% larger than 37" incher]
* Your viewing area is 36.6 in(w) x 20.6 in(h)
* Total viewing area is 753.96 sq in.
* This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV

37" incher
* Your viewing area is 32.2 in(w) x 18.1 in(h)
* Total viewing area is 582.82 sq in.
* This utilizes the full display of the 16:9 TV

http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi

Thanks.

Interesting thing was, that the computer said that that particular store wasn't going to carry it.

If they have them in the warehouses, why are no stores going to carry them? Or is it only a select few that will be?

I have been told that I need to wait for it to go on sale... :(

Yeah for some reason you ahve to buy it at a BB and then go pick it up at the warehouse. I dont understand why they dont just carry it in the store. I'm going to pick mine up tonight as soon as the girlfrind gets home with the bigger car. I can't wait!!

Hmm...can't wait for what, the TV or the bigger car?! Oh, nevermind, I see what you are talking about now, bigger car, to bring the TV home in, not a new car...

PLEASE for goodness sakes, break that thing out of the box, and get it up and going ASAP, and let us know your impressions. Have you had/seen the older 37 or the 42 to have anything to compare to?

What will you be hooking up to it?

this is getting good.

42in vs 37in. Thats 5 inches!! Is not a great difference for you guys?
do you still prefer the 37incher because of the new remote and OSD ?

I mean , if both sets had same PQ and no VB problems..
Is it worth the $600 USD the extra size?

I would like to read you opinions..

In resume 42 incher is 29.4% larger than a 37" and also is a 31.5% more expensive..
Damnit, i see the reason now. 31.5% > 29.4%


My opinion is that it all depends on what room/how big of a tv you're looking to get. Since the prices seem to be dropping steadily, a 42" in a bedroom isn't out of the question, depending on your preferences. I personally think the extra price for 5"s is worth it, but there are other big things to consider besides the size..

Maybe this is just me, but I would expect the PQ of the 37" to be better than the 42". All the larger sized panels seems to have a worse CR compared to their smaller cousins. I'm not sure exactly why this is, but I would guess this is the case simply for the reasons that the smaller panels have been around longer, and they have had more time to tweak them and make them better. 42"+ lcd's are still relatvively new, so it might take another generation for the 42" to be as good PQ wise as the 37".

Weighing in the difference between a larger size vs. slightly better pq would be a tough choice. Stores make it so hard to make a good comparison in black levels because they're so dang bright. Good luck!

Was wondering about the service port. Yestday I noticed it, and someone else mentioned the 40" Lcd/dvd combo had a usb service port also. Today I went back, since I did not think it looked like a usb port on the user manual. Well to me it still does not look like a usb port. So I looked at the quick connect guide, and that definetly looks like a usb port. Not a big deal, just curious if I am seeing things since the resolutions are not that great.

Hmm...can't wait for what, the TV or the bigger car?! Oh, nevermind, I see what you are talking about now, bigger car, to bring the TV home in, not a new car...

PLEASE for goodness sakes, break that thing out of the box, and get it up and going ASAP, and let us know your impressions. Have you had/seen the older 37 or the 42 to have anything to compare to?

What will you be hooking up to it?

Stupid warehouse closes at 7p.m. ... Bought it. But I have to pick it up tomorrow. I will be hooking it up to a computer and will also try out my HD Cable from Comcast. I saw the 37w1 so ill let you know the difference, however I have never seen the 42". I'll be using a dvi and i'll try vga as well just for kicks. I'll try to write a semi comprehensive review for it in the near future. Wish me luck on a perfectly functional panel!

FYI

There is a gray test pattern you can use over in the 42w2 thread - helps to check for vertical banding/uneven backlight.

Over the past few months I had pretty much decided on the Westinghouse LVM-37w1. I have to admit, I was somewhat turned off by the fact that it was not very aesthetically pleasing. The new W3 looks beautiful and has HDMI which I am very happy about.

I only see the W2 version on the Best Buy website. Does Best Buy have the W3 LCD in stores but just not on their website yet?

i am sold,

I now pray for the HDMI input of the 37w3 will support the Ps3 1080p output.( i mean HDMI version compatibility)

Here are some nice hi-resolution pictures of the 37w3..
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1512


hehe i just cleaned some space in my desktop for this new Monitor.. :D

Thanks for the link to those pics. Very nice.

You'd think Westinghouse would provide higher rez pics like this on their website. :rolleyes:

So, who's going to be the first reviewer? :D

My bet is Cruelkix will be the first one to report back with initial impressions.

Yes, He really lived up to his name tonight, poor bugger. ;)

heheh good luck to the first buyers/reviewers.
I will wait for it to be available at amazon.

BTW. :D I just made a DUMMY of this monitor, lol. made with paper/carton. So i now have an idea of how nice this big 37" monitor will look on my desktop.

heheh good luck to the first buyers/reviewers.
I will wait for it to be available at amazon.

BTW. :D I just made a DUMMY of this monitor, lol. made with paper/carton. So i now have an idea of how nice this big 37" monitor will look on my desktop.

As much as I love Amazon, their prices on Westinghouse LCDs is exactly the same as Best Buy...plus you have to pay $150 shipping. With Best Buy you have to pay tax but at least there is no shipping fee. More importantly, if the LCD has an issue (dead pixels, backlight, etc) you can more easily get a replacement by just driving it back to your nearest Best Buy.

I'm hoping to find this LCD in the $1500 ballpark soon. I need a larger screen for my XBOX 360 (and future PS3). I currently use a 2405FPW which is an EXCELLENT monitor but bigger IS better :D

Man i really want to pre-order one of these. Just waiting for the reviews to come in first though!

Crutchfield...ship My Tv!!!

Hey sharp101,
What can you tell us about the lock-ups the 42" owners are experiencing, and whether the issue is likely to rear its head on the 37"?

Thanks,
TM

I just bought a LVM-37w3 from Best Buy for[EDIT] their MSRP. I plan to pick-up the monitor at the warehouse tomorrow and post a preliminary review tomorrow night.

I really hope this LCD meets my expectations since I've already tried and returned 3
(Sharp LC-32DA5u, Westy LVM-37w1 and LG32LC2D). As I've stated in my previous messge, the LVM-37w1 with it's 1080p had the best PQ of the bunch. However, its problems--corner bleeding, chirping and uneven brightness prompted me to return the unit. My review will specifically focus on whether the 37w3 solved these problems. Also, I'll be assessing the 37w3 black levels, contrast ratio and handling of fast motion compared to the 37w1. I'm hopeful for noticeable improvements in all areas, considering Sharp101s comments about the vast improvement in the 37w3's panel vs. the 37w1 (also the better resonse time of 8ms of the 37w3). My wife has told me that this is my last attempt, so let's hope for a favorable review. Good luck to all other 37w3 buyers and that we all conclude that we received the best performance for the price (possibly regardless of price)

I got mine ... its pretty damn sweet. More to come. Work is prohibiting any review work.

I just got a sony xbr 960 at best buy and still have a couple weeks to return it, i hope to get some good reviews on this television because i didnt want the w1 since all the bad things i heard about it. I just want a tv with awsome picture which my sony does have but it doesnt except 1080p and is around 200lbs compared to the 50some pounds of this tv. Anyone know any dangers i should worry about with a 5 and 6 year old with a lcd screen? Can they wreck it?

I just bought a LVM-37w3 from Best Buy for[EDIT] their MSRP.

What's their price?

I ordered one yesterday as well and it will be delivered tomorrow morning. I can't wait.

I'm not able to find it on the Best Buy website, am I missing something? I only see the W2.

The LVM-37w3 can only be ordered in a best buy store.

I have to say this has to be the best 1080p picture i have ever seen. Right now i have it on HDMI/DVi from my cable and the picture is outstanding. The picture is perfect.

Hey dude try this background and see if you can detect any vertical banding @ all.

http://home.nyc.rr.com/phoenixsr/19201080.jpg

reviews.. please!

also, dimensions of box, and unit... and lots of pics

Box dimension is really important as the 37W1 only just squeaks into my Mazda3 hatch ... not that it not fitting is going to stop me doing the exchange :-)

Some xbox360 impressions would be awsome, but black levels and viewing angles quality impressions would suffice. PICS too!

For any Canadians jonesing for this set, I finally found a reasonable method to procure them and avoid some of the taxes. If you purchase from a B&M retailer, you're going to have to pay whatever state sales tax you get it from. THen there's 5% duty and PST, GST on top of everything.

However, if you purchase from an Etailer, like Cruthchfield or JR,( I'd suggest Crutchfield, free shipping!) you can avoid the state sales tax. Yes, they don't ship to Canada, but here's what you do... Have them ship to the closest border UPS Store to you. They'll receive it and hold it for you for 1 week for $15. You pick it up, take it across the border yourself and only pay the 5% duty on the retail price, since there's no tax. Then you pay the PST, GST on top of that. Sorry, no way around that.

BTW, Crutchfield now has this listed on their site, although not yet available.

No banding, xbox 360 looks amazing and the blacks look great, no lock-ups.

No banding, xbox 360 looks amazing and the blacks look great.

Sweet, only issue that needs to be addressed now, is the lock-up issue...

I'm already sold, just got to wait for a sale or coupon...

For those of you with this set, how is the SD quality from analogue cable? On my new 768p 26" Dell W2606c, while well-encoded HD material looks spectacular, some SD stuff is basically unwatchable (although much of it is OK). I've seen better SD on some Bravias, but even then CRT still beats even the best Bravia LCD away for SD stuff.

However, if the Westy is close to or superior to the Bravias for SD quality, then that's a big plus.

ie. Strangely enough, one of my major concerns for LCD is not actually HD quality, since good HD looks good on most LCD sets. My main concern in SD quality, because a couple of channels I regularly watch are SD (because there is no corresponding HD channel).

For any Canadians jonesing for this set, I finally found a reasonable method to procure them and avoid some of the taxes. If you purchase from a B&M retailer, you're going to have to pay whatever state sales tax you get it from. THen there's 5% duty and PST, GST on top of everything.

However, if you purchase from an Etailer, like Cruthchfield or JR,( I'd suggest Crutchfield, free shipping!) you can avoid the state sales tax. Yes, they don't ship to Canada, but here's what you do... Have them ship to the closest border UPS Store to you. They'll receive it and hold it for you for 1 week for $15. You pick it up, take it across the border yourself and only pay the 5% duty on the retail price, since there's no tax. Then you pay the PST, GST on top of that. Sorry, no way around that.
A few US etailers will deliver a big LCD TV right to your (Canadian) door. You do usually pay a handling fee on top of the duty (assuming you have to pay duty but it's not always the case), and taxes. However, the bonus is that you don't have to drive to the border. Furthermore, many US etailers will not ship to a PO Box or a 3rd party store for Canadian orders anyways.

Sharp---I think I speak for everyone.......lets see some pictures, man!

No banding, xbox 360 looks amazing and the blacks look great, no lock-ups.
Did you use the gray test background I linked? Just want to make sure we're on the same page so to speak.

Yes i did.

I feel stupid but I just noticed this model doesnt have any tuners at all.. Oh well thats what comcast is for.

sharp, please.. give a review.

It's going to take my local BB 19 days before they can get one of these in. :(

It's going to take my local BB 19 days before they can get one of these in. :(
Who knows...it might work out well for you anyway. It's likely that BB will have it at a reduced sale price by that time.

Just called my local bestbuy and they have 9 in their warehouse, but i want to see what the reviews end up being first. Id like to know what the picture looks like via RGB component since i have an old school dvd player without HDMI or upconversion.

Yes more reviews would be nice. Particularly w/regard to banding, backlight bleed, etc. etc..

Yes more reviews would be nice. Particularly w/regard to banding, backlight bleed, etc. etc..

Rip I used you gray backround and dont see a whole lot of Vertical Banding (VB from now on). There is some VB on lower quality dvds. I was watching widescreen xmen 1 yesterday on it and I definityl saw soem VB on it, in the blacks especially. Backli8ght bleed seems to be a non-issue, however, i will say that if you look very far into the corners of the screen ... it gets slightly darker. Noticable, but from from anything bad.

Box dimensions are as follows:
Hieght: 30 3/4 in.
Width: 43 1/2 in.
Depth: 13 1/4 in.

My comp looks sweet as hell at 1920 x 1080. Despite anything I wrote above, I am in love with this monitor. Wish I had more HD content for it! Also I am still only ona VGA. Will be getting DVI and HDMI tomorrow. No dead pixels, 8ms panel is way better than the 37w1 I saw at BB. Brightness is good and black levels are damn decent for an LCD. Keep asking questions. I'll answer as best as possible. As far as VB goes I think HD media has a large effect on it. Will hook up HD cable tomorrow also.

My comp looks sweet as hell at 1920 x 1080.


I'm using 1920x1200 on my Dell 2405FPW. Does Windows allow you to choose 1920x1080 in the Display Properties? :confused:

I have a question for you Cruelkix....apparently the 37w2 has a problem( Westy calls it a feature) where if you use any external sound for the tv, you have to go in to the tv menu and set audio to "external" everytime the tv is is powered on. Do you have external sound and can you confirm whether or not this is on ur 37w3 also. This would definitely be combersome after a while. Who wants to use crapy tv speakers unless u have no alternative.

Have you tried any SD content, if so, how does it look?

Well that's disappointing to hear that even this one seems to suffer a bit from some VB. I guess it's just a Westy QC issue.

My big fear is this. I've asked my local BB to exchange my 42W2 for one of these - but if it comes and has worse VB than my 42W2 I'm going to be real upset with myself for doing this even though it saves me $$.

I have a question for you Cruelkix....apparently the 37w2 has a problem( Westy calls it a feature) where if you use any external sound for the tv, you have to go in to the tv menu and set audio to "external" everytime the tv is is powered on. Do you have external sound and can you confirm whether or not this is on ur 37w3 also. This would definitely be combersome after a while. Who wants to use crapy tv speakers unless u have no alternative.

I dont have any input for sound on teh tv. I use my computer 500W logitech sourround. Better than any tv speakers ... dont even knwo what the speakers sound liek on this bad boy.

BTW, gf took camaera for weekend trip. No pics until monday! Sorry.

Well that's disappointing to hear that even this one seems to suffer a bit from some VB. I guess it's just a Westy QC issue.

My big fear is this. I've asked my local BB to exchange my 42W2 for one of these - but if it comes and has worse VB than my 42W2 I'm going to be real upset with myself for doing this even though it saves me $$.

Its really not that bad. I'm sitting exactly 36" from my screen and I see it. If I move to a resonable distance (i.e. 70") its far less visible.

Put up some digicam pics if you can. I know that what little banding that is in my screen - I can't see it at all unless I throw up the gray background. No matter how far I'm from the screen.

Using a display for a computer desktop - I just can't handle any visible banding unless it only shows up under *very* specific circumstances.

Put up some digicam pics if you can. I know that what little banding that is in my screen - I can't see it at all unless I throw up the gray background. No matter how far I'm from the screen.

Using a display for a computer desktop - I just can't handle any visible banding unless it only shows up under *very* specific circumstances.

No banding with gray background. Only low res DVDs and then only in the darker blacks.

No banding with gray background. Only low res DVDs and then only in the darker blacks.

Now that seems strange. Why would the vertical banding be dependent on the viewing material? It seems that this particular issue of VB may not be a physical characteristic of the set itself?