Steve - there are 2 'uncommercial' dts versions floating around. One is included with the DVDA (ISO) file that everyone is referring to in this post (it also includes a DD version).

Another dts version from different source material (they say the old SQ Quad LP's, but who knows for sure) can be found on many torrents or eBay (search dts Pink Floyd). If this dts version is from the SQ LP then it has been ripped from a commercial version but is still not a legal 'commercial' release if you know what I mean.

The mixes of the 3 versions MLP, DD and DTS on the ISO 'should' all be the same if the source is the same. They will sound different due to the compression methods used.

There are quite a few DTS "versions" out there. Some from SQ LPs, some from the UK Q8 (which was the preferred source until the DVD-A), some from an alleged "DTS Entertainment" disc copy of the title that was used for demo purposes when their Millenium Decoder was first put on the market. DSOTM was said to be readied for commercial release as an official DTS CD when the group put a stop to it.

There are many many versions from many different converters. They are all a crap shoot as far as I am concerned. Some are great, others not so good. Stick with the official SACD and the un-official DVD-A and you'll be in good shape.

Thanks to a fellow AVS'er, I had a copy of the DVD-A sent to me, since my download continued to fail. Now that I have the disk, I can't get it to play in either of my players. :confused:
On my first generation DVD-A player, the JVC XV-FA90, the DVD-A indicator lights up, but fails to load the disk and goes to the next disk in the tray.
On my Samsung 841 universal player, it loads and comes to a White screen that says "Obsolete Productions" and has a DaVinci helicopter and hangs there until I turn off the player and eject the disk while power is off.
Trying to load the disk on my laptop goes straight to the Dolby Digital and DTS options, as I would presume since there is no DVD-A support. Manually playing the file "AUDIO_TS.VOB" shows me that the first frame is what I mention above as the "Obsolete Productions" image that hangs and the second frame is the menu choice for MLP, Dolby Digital and DTS, which I never get to see or use.
I tried making exact copies, creating ISO's and nothing worked. The only thing that worked for me at all was to decode the disk and burn just the video folder that contains the Dolby Digital and DTS versions. That burned disk works perfectly on both players with the compressed versions. BTW, I listened to the DTS version and it was great. :D I can't just copy the Audio_TS folder over because it throws an error.
Any ideas on how I can get the MLP to work?

vegggas

I like them both, each for different reasons. I was able to load the SACD in one player and the DTS version in another, sync them up and toggle between the two in real time using the "external input" button. I made sure all the DTS modes were off and not coloring the sound. to make sure I was comparing ust the data off the disks. If you have the chance to try this, it is a very interesting comparison.

For the SACD, I noticed that there is no noise and the image tends to sound fuller and has always active presence. From the start, there is silence, and the heart beats start and get louder with no warning how loud it's going to be.
The surround effects on the SACD seem to float from front center to back and then expand wider in the rear as if to fade away from you. Although the rears are more in sync with each other and seem to share a lot of the same sounds, there is some steering involved for some discreet sounds and voices. Individual sounds in this version tend to stay in one channel or space and don't drift or pan as much as the quad version.

The DTS version seems to have a lot of hiss and sounds a bit thinner, but more discreet in all the channels. From the start, the hiss lets you know that this is a recording and that there is a volume level applied to the music.
The surround effects on the DTS version pans and spins clockwise around the room, from front center (image), to front left, to front right, to rear right, to rear left. This is especially easy to hear in "US and Them". Individual sounds do drift from one channel to another and another in this version. Reminds me of the affects on the Flaming Lips - Yoshimi battles the pink robots disk and you can get the spinning and dizzy effect on this version too. This version is more like a dual stereo setup with discreet channels for each speaker, moreso than the SACD, and has more of the same feel as the arena concerts I had seen in Tampa and Orlando stadium shows where they used the Quad speaker setup up in the stands.

This is just my opinion, and I state it as that. My neighbor, on the other hand, has a different opinion, especially when the woman is screaming during "The Great Gig In The Sky", but we will leave him to his own opinions.

vegggas

Thanks to a fellow AVS'er, I had a copy of the DVD-A sent to me, since my download continued to fail. Now that I have the disk, I can't get it to play in either of my players. :confused:
On my first generation DVD-A player, the JVC XV-FA90, the DVD-A indicator lights up, but fails to load the disk and goes to the next disk in the tray.
On my Samsung 841 universal player, it loads and comes to a White screen that says "Obsolete Productions" and has a DaVinci helicopter and hangs there until I turn off the player and eject the disk while power is off.

I have the Samsung DVD-HD841 and JVC XV-FA900 and the Dark Side bootleg DVD-A plays in both of those players fine. It appears you have a bad disc.

Chris

Vegggas,

Have you pressed the 'Menu' button on your DVD remote? That should take you to the screen where you can select MLP Lossless, Dolby Digital or DTS. Once you select the audio track, it takes you to the song selection screen where you press play.

If pressing 'menu' doesn't take you to the audio selection screen, then you have a bad disc.

Yes, I press Menu, but the disk locks up the player immediately. I reburned (copied) the disk multiple times with no luck, and then with just the Video_ts folder, and the menu comes up with the compressed options of DTS and Dolby Digital.
The original disk came from a user who used it on a Denon 2900 with no problems. They have offered to make another disk for me, and/or make a disk with the original ISO file, if I can't figure out a way to get this to work. I'm under the impression that the Audo_TS.VOB file may be corrupt, or some other file that points to that file, as that is the one that starts to play before locking up.

Is it possible to copy the Audio_TS folder manually, or is that a protected folder structure? Whenever I try to copy that folder, I get an error, so I can't test those copies, unless they are in the original iso file.

vegggas

I'm pretty sure the original file is an ISO image though. The above post lists what in the file but the file it came from is an ISO image file.You're right. I'm an idiot. My copy WAS an image file.

Speaking of concerts, did anyone catch RUSH (30th anniv) on INHD, it was great. I'm sure they will be showing it again soon.

...

Is it possible to copy the Audio_TS folder manually, or is that a protected folder structure? Whenever I try to copy that folder, I get an error, so I can't test those copies, unless they are in the original iso file.

vegggas

There should be nothing in the audio_ts folder. There will be a bunch of vob files in the video_ts folder but they are just the Dolby Digital and DTS audio/video tracks. The MLP audio tracks cannot be seen from Windows Explorer from what I know about DVD-A.

There should be nothing in the audio_ts folder. There will be a bunch of vob files in the video_ts folder but they are just the Dolby Digital and DTS audio/video tracks. The MLP audio tracks cannot be seen from Windows Explorer from what I know about DVD-A.

I am able to see all the files in the AUDIO_TS directory via Windows Explorer. The AUDIO_SV.VOB and AUDIO_TS.VOB files there (the menus and some video) are in DD2.0. The remaining MLP files are also visible (*.BUP, *.IFO and actual 2 MLP Audio files *.AOB). Can definately play the MLP files on my player as that is what I have set to Default and what it reads when I 'Display' the disc info.

Newbie and die hard Floyd fan.... saw them at my first concert in Donostia/San Sebastian, Basque Country. Would love to get a copy of this... please, PLEASE.... anyone... HELP!!!! E-mail me at szengotitabengoa@hotmail.com for arrangement.

Can someone please pm me with a download link?
I would greatly appreciate it, Thank you.

I am able to see all the files in the AUDIO_TS directory via Windows Explorer. The AUDIO_SV.VOB and AUDIO_TS.VOB files there (the menus and some video) are in DD2.0. The remaining MLP files are also visible (*.BUP, *.IFO and actual 2 MLP Audio files *.AOB). Can definately play the MLP files on my player as that is what I have set to Default and what it reads when I 'Display' the disc info.

I stand corrected. I am so used to seeing on DVD's that the Audio_ts directory is empty that I assumed that this would be the case the DVD-A also.

I managed to get the DSOTM DVD-A and burnt it successfully. I can play the DVD-A tracks on my PC using WinDVD but on my HT system which is waiting for my DVD-A and SACD player, I am only able to listen to the DD tracks.

My only other copy of this album is the LP(!) and I haven't listened to that in a while for obvious reasons. Sound quality aside (I am sure the DVD-A version will be clearer again), the DD tracks sound very clear and I did the enjoy the enveloping sound field. Could be me or my system but in the opening heartbeat sequence I could hear a significant amount of what I guess is tape hiss in the right channel.

My initial goal was just to listen to test but I ended up listening to the first 6 tracks or so, the experience was that compelling.

Can't wait till my DVD-A player arrives and I can compare the DD with the MLP tracks.

Anyone who enjoyed this should check out Frank Zappa's Apostrophe' in quad...it's nearly as impressive as DSOTM. Its amazing how many albums/Reel to Reel/8tracks were released in quad during the 70s! Eric

The 4 channels play fine on the Logitech Z-680 (that is what I have and use). Cyberlink's PowerDVD will play the DVD-A version just fine. The speakers and receivers will play whatever is pumped into them: when only four channels are sent, they will play. You do not need anything QUAD-specific. And as Paul_T says above, there are dts and dolby versions, too.

Are you sure? Playing it back using POWERDVD my sub does NOT get signal. !!!!
On the other hand Creative's Mediasource DVD - A player adds momentarily pauses between songs which is VERY annoying.
Actually, I haven't find a way to play it back right. Has any of you?

I haven't find a way to play it back right. Has any of you?

I would say that the majority of us have been able to play this DVD-A without problems.

FWIW, plays back fine for me in a Denon DVD-2910.

Are you sure? Playing it back using POWERDVD my sub does NOT get signal. !!!!
On the other hand Creative's Mediasource DVD - A player adds momentarily pauses between songs which is VERY annoying.
Actually, I haven't find a way to play it back right. Has any of you?
I have the Creative player with no problems. When I updated it to a new version then I had problems. I went back to the old version 1.00.66 and all is well again. I also tried it on Powerdvd and checked the sub and it was working fine. Must be something in your set-up.

I am interested in playing it back using a pc and the appropriate software.

I can't see whats wrong with PDVD (except that I used a cracked version 7. I can't buy it before I am sure it works ok. I have installed it several times. The sub problem appears only with this DVD. In other respects I like the way tracks are changing and the fact that I can see the images while hearing).

I was totally dissapointed with WinDVD (cracked also) which , I think, does not support well dvd-a (i.e. when "us and them" starts the keyboards normally play on the surround speakers. With WinDVD I heard the keyboards from the front speakers.).

How can I find this 1.00.66 creative's version?. It isn't available on creative's site

It's annoying that trial versions are not fully functional. It seems that PowerDVD trial doesn't support DVD-A. And WinDVD7's DVD-A capabilities have been discussed before. The logos are there - the software just can't do it - presumably because it ws the channel whereby MLP was circumvented and that data could be retrieved off a disc.

Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here" is also floating around out there. It's a dvd-a/dts/dd disc supposedly created by the same person who did the dsotm dvd-a. I haven't heard it yet, but reportedly it's equal in quality to the dsotm disc.

It's annoying that trial versions are not fully functional. It seems that PowerDVD trial doesn't support DVD-A.

It is NOT a trial version. It is a cracked full version (actually tried several of the cracked deluxe pdvd7 torrents to find out if the one I got was a problematic one). While I play it back I can see in information window that audio is MLP 4.1 at around 4000 kbps. So it supports DVD-A. But I can't find out why the light on my sub doesn't get green. Creative's Mediasource DVD-A has no such a problem.


Pink Floyd's "Wish you were here" is also floating around out there. It's a dvd-a/dts/dd disc supposedly created by the same person who did the dsotm dvd-a. I haven't heard it yet, but reportedly it's equal in quality to the dsotm disc.

I have got it. It is good but not so impressive as DSOTM is. Of course whenever I want to listen "Wish you were here" I will use that.
"Animals" is also floting around. I have got it also with similar impressions.

It is NOT a trial version. It is a cracked full version (actually tried several of the cracked deluxe pdvd7 torrents to find out if the one I got was a problematic one). While I play it back I can see in information window that audio is MLP 4.1 at around 4000 kbps. So it supports DVD-A. But I can't find out why the light on my sub doesn't get green. Creative's Mediasource DVD-A has no such a problem.




I have got it. It is good but not so impressive as DSOTM is. Of course whenever I want to listen "Wish you were here" I will use that.
"Animals" is also floting around. I have got it also with similar impressions.WYWH is from the actual quad mix (from the UK 8-track, in the best download version). The Animals DTS disc is totally bogus.

It is NOT a trial version. It is a cracked full version (actually tried several of the cracked deluxe pdvd7 torrents to find out if the one I got was a problematic one). While I play it back I can see in information window that audio is MLP 4.1 at around 4000 kbps. So it supports DVD-A. But I can't find out why the light on my sub doesn't get green. Creative's Mediasource DVD-A has no such a problem.



I guess I was subtly suggesting that we should be able to download trial copies of the software, especially with e-delivery, and get full functionality, albeit for a limited time rather than having to rely on cracked versions. After a cracked version means you don't have to every buy it!

I downloaded WinDVD7 trial a while ago (I guess before they removed DVD-A support) and when I bought it, just registered the trial I had downloaded. So I have a version that support DVD-A. Not that's much use to me since my main PC only has a SB Live 5.1 card and I don't use the SPDIF out at all. But I know it's playing the MLP tracks when I insert a DVD-A since the logo displayed indicates PCM, not Dolby Digital (or DTS)

I am still in a deadlock.

1) PDVD does not give signal to my sub (only with THIS DVD)
2) Mediasource DVD-A is great in low frequencies but it adds a "space" between tracks. (Once you hear it, all your wish to keep listening is instantly gone)

David Scott proposed Mediasource DVD-A version 1.00.66 but I can't find it.

I am still in a deadlock.

1) PDVD does not give signal to my sub (only with THIS DVD)
2) Mediasource DVD-A is great in low frequencies but it adds a "space" between tracks. (Once you hear it, all your wish to keep listening is instantly gone)

David Scott proposed Mediasource DVD-A version 1.00.66 but I can't find it.
I have used all incarnations of the Creative DVD-A player, all will lag at track change at least for me. The latest upgrade is the best as far as bugs, and fires up everytime I stick in a DVD-A disk, has a nicer interface. However, I had to completely remove all traces of everything Creative and start from scratch and start from the original install disc and upgrade from there to get the "new" player to install correctly. Oh, well, in general I only author DVD-A at the computer to listen to on the HT system anyway.

When I put a dvd-a into my dvd drive on my computer the computer crashes and I have to reboot. The only way I can play a dvd-a is by getting it elsewhere and loading it from the hardrive. I tried to solve this problem by updating my creative player, but once I did that it wouldn't even play the dvd-a I had on the hardrive. So I went back to my old creative player and all is good again.
The creative dvd-a version which I use has no lag and works perfectly except for the fact it won't play any discs I put in the dvd drive. I have no space between tracks. I wonder if there's a way you can use a version that's not new to solve this problem for you.

Thank you both,
Dave, this is too strange and annoying. The latest version of creative dvd-a player needs the new drivers (Jan 06) to have previously been installed.
On the other hand, if you manage to update succesfully you will probably face the undiserable "spaces" problem. Though, I don't think there are many dvd-as with the "continuity amongst songs" characteristic, DSOTM is enough to prevent you from upgrading. I have reported the problem to Creative's support and I only hope for an update.

The PDVD refusal to send LF signal only from THIS DVD-A is, I guess, an adequate evidence of my rotten luck.

When I put a dvd-a into my dvd drive on my computer the computer crashes and I have to reboot. The only way I can play a dvd-a is by getting it elsewhere and loading it from the hardrive. I tried to solve this problem by updating my creative player, but once I did that it wouldn't even play the dvd-a I had on the hardrive. So I went back to my old creative player and all is good again.
The creative dvd-a version which I use has no lag and works perfectly except for the fact it won't play any discs I put in the dvd drive. I have no space between tracks. I wonder if there's a way you can use a version that's not new to solve this problem for you.
Playing from the HD must be making the difference?
Anyway here's what I posted at Creative Forums, paraphrased:
"Completely, and I mean completely, uninstall -everything- Creative.
Reinstall from the original disc, if available.
Find and Install latest driver for the card from Creative.
Run Autoupdate and install all the Creative Mediasource stuff and make
sure it all functions correctly. If you need all that stuff for portable players,
might as well get it now.
Then install the DVD-A player update."
Didn't remove the lag on discs with no track silence, but at least it works every time I stick a disc in. Another thing: on my system, at least, Auto detection works better from my DVD burner than my DVD ROM. Also removed all Sonic stuff as it seemed to conflict with my other Audio programs.
HTH
boondocks

I'm having trouble burning the disc with Nero. I've done everything correctly as mentioned in this thread, I burned the iso file as an image. I made a copy of the WYWH DVD-A and it plays no problem, so I must know what I'm doing, at least a little bit. :rolleyes:

The first 4 tracks of DSOTM play fine, it sounds awesome! Then it just stops playing at track 5. When I go to the menu and select a specific track off of the list after track 4, nothing plays. The DTS files won't play either, none of them. At first I thought I had a corrupted file, so I deleted it and downloaded the torrent again, but the same exact thing happened. The iso file was 3.4 gb and the torrent download showed 100%.

Anyone have any ideas? Should I try something besides Nero?

I have been using a trial copy of DiscBlaze. Very easy to use and I have made all three of the Floyd DVD-A's without a problem. Be worth a try..

I'm having trouble burning the disc with Nero. I've done everything correctly as mentioned in this thread, I burned the iso file as an image. I made a copy of the WYWH DVD-A and it plays no problem, so I must know what I'm doing, at least a little bit. :rolleyes:

The first 4 tracks of DSOTM play fine, it sounds awesome! Then it just stops playing at track 5. When I go to the menu and select a specific track off of the list after track 4, nothing plays. The DTS files won't play either, none of them. At first I thought I had a corrupted file, so I deleted it and downloaded the torrent again, but the same exact thing happened. The iso file was 3.4 gb and the torrent download showed 100%.

Anyone have any ideas? Should I try something besides Nero?

Try burning it at a slower speed.
-t

Try burning it at a slower speed.
-t

I tried the slower speed last night, just made another coaster. Same exact problem.

try dvd-decrypter.

I've only used Decrypter to rip, not burn. I'll give it a try tonight. Thanks.

I'm having trouble burning the disc with Nero. I've done everything correctly as mentioned in this thread, I burned the iso file as an image. I made a copy of the WYWH DVD-A and it plays no problem, so I must know what I'm doing, at least a little bit. :rolleyes:

The first 4 tracks of DSOTM play fine, it sounds awesome! Then it just stops playing at track 5. When I go to the menu and select a specific track off of the list after track 4, nothing plays. The DTS files won't play either, none of them. At first I thought I had a corrupted file, so I deleted it and downloaded the torrent again, but the same exact thing happened. The iso file was 3.4 gb and the torrent download showed 100%.

Anyone have any ideas? Should I try something besides Nero?
I've burned probably 6 copies of DSOTM from the ISO with Nero with only one glitch, which I suspect was my Samsung HD941 acting up (once!).
Also if you're using DL try SL disc, if you're using +R disc try -R . Worth a try.
boondocks

I've burned probably 6 copies of DSOTM from the ISO with Nero with only one glitch, which I suspect was my Samsung HD941 acting up (once!).
Also if you're using DL try SL disc, if you're using +R disc try -R . Worth a try.
boondocks

After many days of trying and downloading, I've finally got a successfully burned copy of DSOTM! I just listened to it all the way through, worth every moment of agony along the way. :D

I deleted the file and downloaded it a third time. This time I used uTorrent instead of **********, not sure if that had any effect, but once I downloaded it again I was able to burn it with Nero. I used a SL +R and burned at the slowest speed.

Thanks for everyone's input!

This is the final reply from Creative Technical Support regarding the capabilities of mediasource dvd audio player for non-stop playback

Dear George

Thank you for emailing to Creative Technical Support.

With regards to your issue
Apologies as the DVD-A player would not be suited to playback such
remixes
and there would definitely be a pause on every song changes.
It would be designed to playback a number of tracks on CDs apart from
long remixes.
Hope this clears your doubts.

....on CD's.....now that's what I call support, LOL.

I was able to get a copy of this disk thanks to another member here. I was never able to actually play that disk on either my modified Samsung 841 universal or JVC XV-FA90 DVD-A Player. Each time, it would lock up at the intro screen before the menu selection. Many of my friends with other players couldn't play the disk either, so I have to assume I got a bad disk.

I was able to copy just the Video_TS folder over to a disk and play the DTS and DD versions with no problem. I have been able to make copies of that folder, also without a problem.
Now, I know that the DVD-A version can be better, but how much better is it compared to the DTS version that I have working now?
Should I proceed with attempting to get the full disk, or be happy with the DTS folder and leave it at that?

vegggas

Now, I know that the DVD-A version can be better, but how much better is it compared to the DTS version that I have working now?Much better.

Now, I know that the DVD-A version can be better, but how much better is it compared to the DTS version that I have working now?
Should I proceed with attempting to get the full disk, or be happy with the DTS folder and leave it at that?

vegggas

Depending on your equipment, the DVD-A version can sound the same to sounding much better. I only briefly played parts of a couple of songs from the DTS version and then briefly played the Dolby Digital version to make sure each worked. As usual, the DVD-A is subtly better. If anybody believes they can always tell the difference between MLP and DTS on a disc immediately is either using a disc with a poor DTS version or has great equipment or great ears. For me, DVD-A usually provides a slightly more open and detailed sound. After listening for a while, I can tell. For immediate identification, I need to refer to the player display usually. I played the disc a couple of times initially and was sure impressed but haven't put it in a player in some time. I have about 200 high resolution discs now and wouldn't put this one in the top 100 for demo purposes when I show somebody high resolution surround, but I have mentioned my only bootleg to several people.

Chris

I have a few hundred high-res discs as well (including the SACD of DSOTM).

The DSOTM DVD-A ('bootleg" or not) is one of the best high-res discs I've ever heard.

The DSOTM DVD-A ('bootleg" or not) is one of the best high-res discs I've ever heard.
:rolleyes:

I'm trying to continue the download once again...
Last time, after two weeks, I was able to get about 900MB and someone finally gave me a copy, but it appears their master was bad, and kept hanging my players. I was able to pull off the DTS version from the disk and have been able to play that without any problems.
After being on the torret for a most of the day, it looks like I haave about three weeks to go...
Sigh... Seems like most of the files actually being downloaded are gettting hash errors and are trying to get downlaoded again. Hash errors are more the norm than the exception and are leading about 3 -1.

vegggas

:rolleyes:

I honestly wasn't being sarcastic.

In terms of "bang-for-the-buck" (no pun intended), I get more of a "wow" factor from the DSOTM DVD-A than I do from the vast majority of high-res titles I have shelled out cash for over the past few years.

Ok, where do I get a copy of this?

Good luck.
The torrent I've been downloading has been extremely slow and possibly poisioned. Thw WYWH torrent, after less than a single day, has already downloaded over 1.2 GB with maybe a couple of hash errors. While DSOTM downloading for about 18 days has about 1.0GB and about 800 hash errors.

vegggas

I honestly wasn't being sarcastic.

In terms of "bang-for-the-buck" (no pun intended), I get more of a "wow" factor from the DSOTM DVD-A than I do from the vast majority of high-res titles I have shelled out cash for over the past few years.

Well in terms of bang for the buck, you can't beat DSOTM :)

I don't 100's of MCH discs (maybe a dozen) but of those, it's certainly the most impressive that I have (though Hotel California is up there). What is equally impressive is that it was recorded over 30 years ago I am guessing, probably at 30ips on some sort of Ampex tape recorder and still has quite low hiss level and very distinct surrounds. I suspect it was recorded before Dolby SR also? Just shows what could be done on analogue tape and therefore the large library of material out there, just waiting for a remastering job to MCH

Larry

My saga is over and I now have a working copy!
After going through a lot of problems with failed hash errors and downloading more than a Gigabyte of bad data, reeeaaallly slowly over about 80 hours, a re-seeded info description and followup posts confirmed my suspicions - the torrent was getting poisioned. I was directed to create an ipfilter file to dis-allow access from the 38.100 .xxx.xxx range and then suddeny, I was getting much faster speeds. So much so that it allowed me to download the remaining file of about 3.0GB OVERNIGHT.
The download of WYWH in less than a day told me everything was still working, but that the particuar torrent was poisioned. I am not a regular torrent user, so there was a steep learning curve.
Many thanks to all that have helped me in the process, including the exchange of disks, etc.

vegggas

My saga is over and I now have a working copy!
After going through a lot of problems with failed hash errors and downloading more than a Gigabyte of bad data, reeeaaallly slowly over about 80 hours, a re-seeded info description and followup posts confirmed my suspicions - the torrent was getting poisioned. I was directed to create an ipfilter file to dis-allow access from the 38.100 .xxx.xxx range and then suddeny, I was getting much faster speeds. So much so that it allowed me to download the remaining file of about 3.0GB OVERNIGHT.
The download of WYWH in less than a day told me everything was still working, but that the particuar torrent was poisioned. I am not a regular torrent user, so there was a steep learning curve.
Many thanks to all that have helped me in the process, including the exchange of disks, etc.

vegggas

Getting slightly off topic here but I recall HBO was poisoning the torrents for Rome a while back. I am not a fan but friends told me that they got around it by something like PeerGuardian which can help.

To get back on topic, what did you think of the recording? Of all mhy MCH discs it's the one I usually play for friends who are not aware or have experienced MCH audio. This impresses them!

Larry

I am in the process of downloading a ................. and it is going good but those failed hash check errors are coming up constantly. Will this corrupt the final file or will it still burn ok to disc? I have read that there is a fix regarding a filter file or something, but I do not know how to fix it and whether or not I need to start the DL over again?

I can't wait to get this in DVD-A. I know how much I like the sound of the Hotel California album in this format.


Any help on this would be great(I did read thru the whole thread also)


Thank you,

Brandon

Well in terms of bang for the buck, you can't beat DSOTM :)

I don't 100's of MCH discs (maybe a dozen) but of those, it's certainly the most impressive that I have (though Hotel California is up there). What is equally impressive is that it was recorded over 30 years ago I am guessing, probably at 30ips on some sort of Ampex tape recorder and still has quite low hiss level and very distinct surrounds. I suspect it was recorded before Dolby SR also? Just shows what could be done on analogue tape and therefore the large library of material out there, just waiting for a remastering job to MCH

Larry
You should check out the DVD "Pink Floyd-The Making of Dark Side of the Moon".
Techniques back then were very primitive compared to today-and you don't have to be a recording engineer to understand that.
For the time, and for all time as far as this person is concerned, DSOTM is one of the most fabulous recordings made.
.....ok, I'm a little biased.....
Saw/Heard PF play WYWH & ANIMALS in the '70s and it was the best of dozens of concerts I attended, with the absolutely best stadium crowd I've ever seen.
(okay-the obligatory pre-show cup fights were present-and a 100 frisbees)
(I was leaning on the goalpost at the old Tampa stadium.)
boondocks

Does anyone know how to fix the failed hash errors when I DL things? I have determined that I need to place a ipfilter.dat file in the utorrent folder but then I was told I had to put the code in to change some IP address stuff(38.100.1.1 - 38.100.254.254) and thats what lost me? Where can I enter this range in to block these ip addresses from causing all of the failed hash errors?

Thanks,
Brandon

Does anyone know how to fix the failed hash errors when I DL this file? I have determined that I need to place a ipfilter.dat file in the utorrent folder but then I was told I had to put the code in to change some IP address stuff(38.100.1.1 - 38.100.254.254) and thats what lost me? Where can I enter this range in to block these ip addresses from causing all of the failed hash errors?

Thanks,
BrandonWeird. I have downloaded literally hundreds of **********s over the past few months, sometimes 10-15 at once, all successfully (except for a few that hung at 99.9%, but that was fixed when ********** installed a new version-it was their fault), and I have NO FREAKIN IDEA what a hash error is! The term has never come up once. I have never had all the problems you guys seem to be having, they ALL load properly--some faster, some slower, some MUCH slower, but they all load. I don't get it.

You guys really need to stop talking about the downloading itself as it will eventually get this thread closed and removed. Do it through PMs.

I edited my posts to be more "in general" regarding some technical issues. I did not specify anything more. I don't want to get this closed either.

Sorry,

Brandon

That's good but even what's left might be crossing the line, you never know when and why the powers to be here may decide it's enough, or too much.

The thread should be limited to discussing the musical and technical aspects of the material itself, not how it was obtained.

These are just my recommendations as I have seen similar threads closed in the past when veering off into the downloading discussions. :)

That's good but even what's left might be crossing the line, you never know when and why the powers to be here may decide it's enough, or too much.

The thread should be limited to discussing the musical and technical aspects of the material itself, not how it was obtained.

These are just my recommendations as I have seen similar threads closed in the past when veering off into the downloading discussions. :)
The thread has been here a while and has always included discussion about how to obtain it.

Hey, I'm just saying, I've seen it happen many times here before, hopefully it won't happen with this thread. :)

Weird. I have downloaded literally hundreds of **********s over the past few months, sometimes 10-15 at once, all successfully (except for a few that hung at 99.9%, but that was fixed when ********** installed a new version-it was their fault), and I have NO FREAKIN IDEA what a hash error is! The term has never come up once. I have never had all the problems you guys seem to be having, they ALL load properly--some faster, some slower, some MUCH slower, but they all load. I don't get it.
Larry,
The DSOTM torrent as been poisioned which makes it nearly impossible to download anymore without filtering out the offending poisioned seeders. They are putting out corrupt data in the hopes that you download it and spread the corrupt data to others as real data eventually replacing the good data files.
Just for the heck of it, why not try getting this torrent again to see how bad it really is now. Individual users now have to figure out how to block the IP addresses that ae sending ou bad data so they only get good data

vegggas

I have never had all the problems you guys seem to be having, they ALL load properly--some faster, some slower, some MUCH slower, but they all load. I don't get it.

Agreed.

Well in terms of bang for the buck, you can't beat DSOTM :)

With that opinion, I believe we can find unanimous agreement. I absolutely agree.

Chris

the DSOTM DVD-A as reviewed in HiFi news, and Hifi Choice:

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6890

the DSOTM DVD-A as reviewed in HiFi news, and Hifi Choice:

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6890
Excellent, thanks for the links.

Well I finally got the DSOTM DVD-A working tonight and it sounds awesome. The use of the rear channels is very detailed and enveloping.

Thanks guys for the help.........it was well worth it and ranks up there with the best MCH mixes.


Brandon

Never Mind I figured it Out.

Wish they would release a Proper version of this I know it would sell WELL.

I am now Addicted to listening to this Album. I always remember hearing about Quadraphonic sound but was too young to get a system when they came out and My Parents Not being Audiophiles never got one too bad this is sweet!!

I am seriously considering Finding the Parts and Build A Qudraphonic System!! My Dad thinks Im Nuts but I like Retro surround Sound Music!!

Hmm Anothere Reason they Should release this Officially I know there are a few things missing from this recording and I noticed another one tonight while listening to it:

In "Eclipse" there was a Part where you here someone say this " I can't Think of Anything to say" then the interviewer says "Say Anything" then the Guy just laughed !! CLASSIC!!



I still like this Recording just would like for EMI to Release an OFFICIAL Alan Parsons version DVD-a that is!!

In "Eclipse" there was a Part where you here someone say this " I can't Think of Anything to say" then the interviewer says "Say Anything" then the Guy just laughed !! CLASSIC!!

I believe Pink Floyd where interviewing either Prisoners or Mentally ill people But I Dont Remember the article I read it Decades Ago if you listen to the Begining you here the guy say " I been mad for F'n Years.. for Years!!"

FYI - From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Side_of_the_Moon

"Voices

Snippets of dialogue between and over the top of the songs are also featured on the recording. Roger Waters devised a method of interviewing people, whereby questions were printed on flashcards in sequential order and the subject's responses were recorded uninterrupted. The questions related to central themes of the album, such as madness, violence and death. Participants were commandeered from around Abbey Road, placed in the darkened studio in front of a microphone, and told to answer the questions in the order which they were presented. This provoked some surprising responses to subsequent questions; for example, the question "When was the last time you were violent?" was immediately followed by "Were you in the right?" [2]

Recordings of road manager Roger "The Hat" Manifold were the only ones obtained through a conventional sit-down interview, as the band members couldn't find him at the time and his responses (including "give 'em a quick, short, sharp shock..." and "live for today, gone tomorrow, that's me...") had to be taped later, when the flashcards had been lost. Another roadie, Chris Adamson, was on tour with Pink Floyd at the time and recorded his explicit diatribe that opens the album ("I've been mad for ****ing years, absolutely years, over the edge for yonks...").

Pink Floyd's executive road manager Peter 'Puddie' Watts (father of actress Naomi Watts) contributed the repeated laughter during "Brain Damage" and "Speak to Me"; the monologue about "geezers" who were "cruisin' for a brusin" and the often-misheard "I never said I was frightened of dying" (during the middle of "The Great Gig in the Sky") came from Peter's wife, Myfanwy 'Miv' Watts.

The responses "there's no reason for it, you've got to go some time" (during "The Great Gig in the Sky") and closing words "there is no dark side of the Moon really... matter of fact it's all dark" (over the "Eclipse" heartbeats) came from the Abbey Road Studios' Irish doorman at the time, Gerry Driscoll. Paul and Linda McCartney were also interviewed, but their answers were considered too cautious for inclusion. McCartney's bandmate Henry McCullough contributed the famous line "I don't know, I was really drunk at the time."

Hey THNX for that link Paul you goto love Wikipedia!!

Would somebody who downloaded this please pm me. I would love to discuss the particulars with you.

Can someone PM me about getting a version of this? I don't feel comfortable in doing any ********** downloads.

Slightly off topic but has anybody seen Roger Waters latest tour??? I went Saturday night and was totally blown away. Fantastic!!!!

He is gonna be here this weekend I hear he is doing the Complet DSOTM?? is this true??

Yes DO NOT MISS HIM. I have been going to concerts since my college days back to 67 in Boston and in all honesty his Saturday night show was one of the best if not THE best I have ever seen and heard. The sound was phenominal and I have seen them all. Clapton, Who, Zeppelin, Hendrix, Steve Miller, Hornsby, Stones, U2, Traffic, Tull, Blind Faith, Beck (Jeff), Faces, and on and on.

This bootleg sure gets a lot of attention. Here is a comparison of the SACD and DVD-A on highfidelityreview.com by Nicholas Satullo.

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/reviews/review.asp?reviewnumber=12583627

Chris

Anyone have any ideas who this "mystery engineer" could be? I find it hard to believe that the band members don't care for the AP mix. I wish there were comments from the band members themselves on this...

I have choked in all my attempts to get this. Is every file corrupted now?

How do you know if you have a corrupt file? I downloaded it a few weeks ago and it burned fine and plays fine. Does that mean I'm okay?

How do you know if you have a corrupt file? I downloaded it a few weeks ago and it burned fine and plays fine. Does that mean I'm okay?
If you've burned it I would say you're fine...any bugs should be apparent on the
first play.

Anyone have any ideas who this "mystery engineer" could be? I find it hard to believe that the band members don't care for the AP mix. I wish there were comments from the band members themselves on this...
Well, why do you care what the band thinks? We are the listeners/fans.
IMO either you like it and listen to it, or you don't.
And if the band doesn't "care' for the AP version, why don't you rent/buy the DVD
"The Making of the Dark Side of the Moon" and hear what they think?
No offense to you personally, but why do folks have to analyze everything to
death?

No offense to you personally, but why do folks have to analyze everything to
death?

Because we're tired of waiting for the next Pink Floyd high rez disc... ;)

Hello,

I downloaded DSOTM a few months ago and enjoying it very much.

I've read here that the download includes a DTS track of the album also.
I'd like to burn a copy for my brother in law, who can play DTS but not DVD-A, but I can't figure out how to extract it from the ISO image.

Can anyone here expalin how to do that?
Thanks,

Tony

You don't have to, the disc will play on any standard DVD player and he can access the DTS tracks.

Hello,

I downloaded DSOTM a few months ago and enjoying it very much.

I've read here that the download includes a DTS track of the album also.
I'd like to burn a copy for my brother in law, who can play DTS but not DVD-A, but I can't figure out how to extract it from the ISO image.

Can anyone here expalin how to do that?
Thanks,

Tony

I forgot exactly how to do it, but the d/l itself was an image of a DVD, so it will burn an exact replica which you can give him.

You don't have to, the disc will play on any standard DVD player and he can access the DTS tracks.

Confirmed. I have burnt the image and using WinDVD7 I can select PCM 96/24 (DVD-Audio), DD or DTS

On my DVD player which cannot play DVD-Audio it defaults to DD but I can also choose DTS

Can anyone help a brother out? After almost 3000 hashfails and 7 days I have 56% of this d/l. I'm not sure I why there is such an issue. Can anyone PM me with an alternate source for procuring this yummy little morsel?

Cheers,

Bryan

PM Sent Bryan.

Cheers,
Gerald

Confirmed. I have burnt the image and using WinDVD7 I can select PCM 96/24 (DVD-Audio), DD or DTS

Isn't it MLP 96/24? I'm almost positive that's what the option is, but I haven't played the disc in a while. Anyway, whatever the menu says, it is actually MLP, and not LPCM.

Isn't it MLP 96/24? I'm almost positive that's what the option is, but I haven't played the disc in a while. Anyway, whatever the menu says, it is actually MLP, and not LPCM.

It is MLP since that is the format for DVD-Audio. But isn't MLP just a lossless compression of PCM? Anyway WinDVD7 displays a logo that says PCM 96/24 when playing the disc which changes to DD or DTS depending on what audio track you select.

It is MLP since that is the format for DVD-Audio. But isn't MLP just a lossless compression of PCM?

Yes, it is.

Anyway WinDVD7 displays a logo that says PCM 96/24 when playing the disc which changes to DD or DTS depending on what audio track you select.
That's odd. I've never seen any DVD-A player display the MLP content as PCM. Usually, it shows MLP or PPCM (Packed PCM). So, how does WinDVD7 distinguish between LPCM and MLP PCM content, or does it not do that at all?

Yes, it is.


That's odd. I've never seen any DVD-A player display the MLP content as PCM. Usually, it shows MLP or PPCM (Packed PCM). So, how does WinDVD7 distinguish between LPCM and MLP PCM content, or does it not do that at all?

I have only one DVD with PCM content. When I play it WinDVD7 shows PCM and DVD. When I play a MLP disc it shows PCM and sometimes PCM 96/24. Strangely it can show PCM and also PCM 96/24 on the same title so I think it's getting confused at time :)

However when I go into the menus and display disc information, it displays a great deal more information including bit rate, compression type, sampling rate etc.

I have only one DVD with PCM content. When I play it WinDVD7 shows PCM and DVD. When I play a MLP disc it shows PCM and sometimes PCM 96/24. Strangely it can show PCM and also PCM 96/24 on the same title so I think it's getting confused at time :)

However when I go into the menus and display disc information, it displays a great deal more information including bit rate, compression type, sampling rate etc.

That's very weird. It would be a lot more informative, and accurate, to display PPCM or MLP, versus PCM if the content is in fact MLP.

Not relevant now apparently since the latest versions of WinDVD7 cannot play DVD-Audio because apparently the software was used to circumvent DVD-A copy protection. So when it displays PCM it's probably either a CD or DVD with PCM audio!

Not relevant now apparently since the latest versions of WinDVD7 cannot play DVD-Audio because apparently the software was used to circumvent DVD-A copy protection. So when it displays PCM it's probably either a CD or DVD with PCM audio!

:eek:

I just had to revert from WinDVD7 to 5 to play DVD-Audios. What a pain.

I have "looked" at sevreal sites for this.
It appears that when I try to burn it, it ends up failing at the end with NERO 7. Anyone have a suggestion for places to look. Igf thats a no-no, how about a suggestion as to what else I can do.

Hi guys, am new here, but have a question!

A good while ago, I came across something called the DARK SIDE OF THE RAINBOW which has a Digitally remastered multi-channel sound (5.1) of DSoTM.

I have just got the DD4.1 and DTS 4.1 DVD-V of DSoTM today (my DVD player does not play DVD-A so I can' play the MLP audio track to this disc, nor the WYWH DVD-A either)

My question is, well I am not sure really... Lol! What does everyone think to the 5.1 audio track on this Dark Side Rainbow disc?

In a way I prefer it to the DD4.1 - it seems fuller, richer in sound - more low end (and not just from the sub). It also seems more "surround" (as in less discrete)

Now I haven't heard the SACD version yet (which is a crime since I recently bought an SACD player!!!!) but I am guessing that it will be pretty similar to the 5.1 version I have on this DVD? As in the sax solo from U&T comes from the centre speaker, and the sound stage is wider?

The 4.1 mix sounds good, don't get me wrong, but it seems to be missing low end, even tho it has a specific LFE channel.... Strange.... Might be my settings tho.....

I prefer the presentation of the DSoTM DVD-A, as it has a nicer menu, chapters are according to track times (the Rainbow disc is time related chapters, not track related) and you can navigate it without the need of a screen, whereas the Rainbow disc you need the screen as it has multiple menu's. Finally, the DVD-A you get a nice stills gallery, whereas the Rainbow disc you get bloody Wizard of Oz!!!! Lol.....

So, does anyone know how I can rip the multichannel audio from the Rainbow disc, merge it to be one long track (still multi-channel, but have no chapters) then split it again at the track marks, then add picture stills to make a DVD-V like the DD4.1 and DTS4.1 disc has?

Or am I asking stupid questions!!!!

Hi guys - I have been trying since last night to d/l this file have not been able to; can anyone PM with a good source?!?!

THANKS!

Hi all - The .ISO file I downloaded is 3.43GB, and will obviously not fit on a regular DVD. What am I doing wrong? I have all the file necessary but the .ISO file will not fit.

Any pointers appreciated. I spend several day downloading it and now can burn my copy.

Appreciate the help.

MJC

A regular single layer DVD is 4.7GB so it will fit.

You need to use whatever software you have to convert the iso to it's 'normal' set of files. Many programs will convert iso's - Nero, Alcohol, etc etc.

Google burn iso image

Will leave the discussion at that.....

Hi all - The .ISO file I downloaded is 3.43GB, and will obviously not fit on a regular DVD.

Why would it obviously not fit?

The capacity of a general purpose, single layer DVD -/+ Recordable is ~4.7GB.

Why would it obviously not fit?

The capacity of a general purpose, single layer DVD -/+ Recordable is ~4.7GB.

Yep. The DSotM DVD-A fits on a single-layer DVD-R.

Yep. The DSotM DVD-A fits on a single-layer DVD-R.

I made a VERY stupid mistake, I was feeding the drive a CDR instead of a DVDR. All is good now. Thank you all. Time to listen...Ciao!!!

Now I haven't heard the SACD version yet (which is a crime since I recently bought an SACD player!!!!) but I am guessing that it will be pretty similar to the 5.1 version I have on this DVD?

It should be close to identical, given THE DARK SIDE OF THE RAINBOW ..umm.. "borrowed" the 5.1 track from the SACD...

It should be close to identical, given THE DARK SIDE OF THE RAINBOW ..umm.. "borrowed" the 5.1 track from the SACD...

I was under the impression tho, that it was nigh on impossible to recreate digitally, the seperated audio tracks of an SACD......???? Since it downmixes to 2ch stereo when being played via a digital cable (coax or TOS).... unless someone has managed to recreate it from the multi-channel analogue outputs, then somehow "digitally" master it afterwards.....

.... unless someone has managed to recreate it from the multi-channel analogue outputs, then somehow "digitally" master it afterwards.....
easily doable

I was under the impression tho, that it was nigh on impossible to recreate digitally, the seperated audio tracks of an SACD......???? Since it downmixes to 2ch stereo when being played via a digital cable (coax or TOS).... unless someone has managed to recreate it from the multi-channel analogue outputs, then somehow "digitally" master it afterwards.....

Very easily doable. I do this all the time with my SACDs as a means of preserving and archiving them, should the discs become damaged or I can no longer find an SACD player to play them back on. I transfer them to 96/24 and, more recently, 192/24 PCM and author them as DVD-A, plus I keep backups of the original PCM files.

I would be interested to know how to do this, for the same reasons you gave. Except my DVD player does NOT play DVD-Audio :( So I would only be able to do this if I knew how to make them into a DVD-Video (like the DTS version of this 4.1 mix is on this disc the thread is about) or if it was possible to burn an SACD - which I was also under the impression was impossible too????

I would be interested to know how to do this, for the same reasons you gave. Except my DVD player does NOT play DVD-Audio :( So I would only be able to do this if I knew how to make them into a DVD-Video (like the DTS version of this 4.1 mix is on this disc the thread is about) You could burn it as a DVD with 96/24 LPCM stereo and dts 5.1 for the surround mix. Of course, that would require a dts encoder.

or if it was possible to burn an SACD - which I was also under the impression was impossible too????That is impossible to do. :(

But how do you get the SACD to the computer?

But how do you get the SACD to the computer?

You need an audio interface and some sort of audio editing software. You would then capture the DSD program - be it stereo or 5.1 - from the analogue outs on your SACD player and record them in real time to the computer. After you do that you would have to edit the tracks apart, unless you record each track individually instead of just letting it run.

You will also need some sort of DVD or DVD/DVD-A authoring software and, depending on whether you are doing DVD or DVD-A, you will need a dts or Dolby Digital encoder for your surround program on a DVD or an MLP encoder for your surround and/or stereo program on a DVD-A.

But how do you get the SACD to the computer?
I suggest you take this line of posting to PM or this thread will be closed.

Why would it be closed?

Well if you want to go into the details of how to copy a DVD-A or SACD it is up to you, however it is not legal and would be frowned upon by the administrators and site owners. Whether any of us agree or disagree with the legality of not being able to copy something we already own is not the point (unfortunately).

Back to the regular discussion :) of DSoTM

The soundtrack that accompanies the Dark Side of the Rainbow may be "borrowed" from the SACD, but SACD is not the format of the audio that's encoded on the DVD. I presume it's DD or DTS 5.1.

All one needs is a soundcard and/or software that allows DD or DTS5.1 encoding to "convert" SACDs in this very "lossy" manner.

Well if you want to go into the details of how to copy a DVD-A or SACD it is up to you, however it is not legal and would be frowned upon by the administrators and site owners. Whether any of us agree or disagree with the legality of not being able to copy something we already own is not the point (unfortunately).

Back to the regular discussion :) of DSoTM

It is perfectly legal to record analog audio, period. Defeating digital copy protection is against the law according to the DMCA. You can even legally defeat any analog copy protection if there was any and you could accomplish it. Of course not every use of a copy you have legally made is a legal use, but it is not illegal to make the copy.

Chris

Ok, so I got this a while back, and have been enjoying the DTS and DD tracks quite a bit. However, I recently got a new Universal Player, so I could finally enjoy both SACD's and DVD-A's. I got the Onkyo DVCP802 six disc changer (http://www.accessories4less.com/cgi-bin/item/ONKDVCP802). And for the most part I love it. It plays all but one SACD I've thrown at it (a Thelonious Monk disc I got a while back only played inconsistently on the player, but it may have been a physical flaw in the disc itself). And it's played every commercial DVD-A I've thrown at it just fine (Including the Talking Heads Brick, which I know some players didn't really like). However it won't play the DSOTM disc at all. It won't even let me play the DTS or DD tracks. It just sits there and tries to load the disc for maybe 10-15 seconds and then gives up. I've tried hitting menue, and doing all sorts of other things but it just won't play nice with my player. The same disc plays just fine in all the non DVD-A players I have tried (of course only letting me play the DTS or DD tracks) but my new changer won't even consider it. Do you think it may be because the DVDA section is corrupted in some way?
I've burned it on a Mac using both Toast 6 and 7, and the same problem persists. I haven't yet had a chance to try out other burned DVD's so that could be the problem, but my player claims to be able to play DVD-R's and DVD-RW's (I beleive it says it will do both + and -). I'm probably going to try one more burning using the opensource "Burn" program but... I'm just worried the same thing will happen. Unfortunatly no one else I know has a DVDA player so I can't really easily test it on anyone else's rig.
Any ideas?

Don't know specifically about your new player, but my Denon 2910 will only play DVD-R and DVD-RW. You didn't by chance record your DSOTM on a DVD+R or +RW did you?

George

You know honestly I can't remember. I'll have to check when I get home, I think it was - as I know that's the somewhat more compatible format, but I don't actually remember. I suppose I should try both formats just in case.

Ok, so I got this a while back, and have been enjoying the DTS and DD tracks quite a bit. However, I recently got a new Universal Player, so I could finally enjoy both SACD's and DVD-A's. I got the Onkyo DVCP802 six disc changer (http://www.accessories4less.com/cgi-bin/item/ONKDVCP802). However it won't play the DSOTM disc at all. It won't even let me play the DTS or DD tracks.


I've got the same player and my (DVD+R) copy of DSOTM plays flawlessly.

Excellent. I just got home and I did indeed burn it on a DVD-R, so I'll go out and get a +R ASAP and try that out!
Thanks!

Can anyone help a brother out? After almost 3000 hashfails and 7 days I have 56% of this d/l. I'm not sure I why there is such an issue. Can anyone PM me with an alternate source for procuring this yummy little morsel?

Cheers,

Bryan
Just as an FYI. The file is still out there being seeded.

I was able to get it in under 4 hours with only 4 hash fails.

So my Saga continues... So on my way home from work yestersy I picked up a few +R's and burned one. On the positive side of things, it will now play in my DVD player! On the negative side it only gives me the option for DD and DTS... Interestingly I tried another one this morning before heading to work, using an older version of Toast (version 6 this time), and that one, my DVD player won't recognize at all ( like the ones I burned on -R's). I'm going to try burning one using Burn (and open source burning program I found recently), and see if that'll do it...
Anyone else done this on a Mac? Any tips on getting this to work properly?

DrOct - in some cases with DVDV/A players you must go into the DVD menu and set it to DVD-A in order to see/hear the DVD-A material. Check your manual.

I probably should have said, I have already done that. One of the first things I did last night was check to make sure that it was set to DVD-A as priority over DVD-V.

Hmmm, OK - can you see any files in the \Audio_TS section of the disc (from your computer) ?
The .BUP, .IFO and .AOB files for the MLP section will live there.

Unfortunatly I can't really check right now as i'm at work, but I'll see what I can this afternoon when I get home. I do recall looking and seem to remember seeing files with those extensions, but can't be sure till I get home.
I've also been thinking about it and I think the issue might have been with the program I was using to burn the .iso (Toast Titanium 7). I seem to remember being a little suspicous of the settings, as it said something about there being "two movies" on the disc, and there being a bit under the "audio" section that listed DD and DTS. I'm going to try to do it again using some slightly different settings, and if that doesn't work, I'm also going to try to just use the Mac OS's built in burning features which I'd forgotten to even try. (I found a breif mention on a forum post somewhere about buring .iso's of DVDA's straight from the OS, something I hadn't even thought of as I had some problems doing that sort of hting with a much older version of the OS). Finally I'll also try using the above mentioned "Burn" program. But all of this will have to wait at least 6 and a half hours or so until I get home from work. I'm sure I'll get it to work somehow, and when I do I'll post the results.
But if anyone has burned this disc on a Mac sucessfully I'd love to hear how you went about it!

The DD and DTS files will be under the Video_TS directory, the DVDA MLP files under Audio_TS.

The DD and DTS files will be under the Video_TS directory, the DVDA MLP files under Audio_TS.

Well there certainly was a lot of stuff in the Audio_TS file...
Gah!
This is so frustrating, not being able to just check on all of this stuff now, and instead having to wait till I get home from work!

\AUDIO_TS:

ATS_01_0.BUP 4096
ATS_01_0.IFO 4096
ATS_01_1.AOB 1073739776
ATS_01_2.AOB 624715776
AUDIO_PP.IFO 131072
AUDIO_SV.BUP 4096
AUDIO_SV.IFO 4096
AUDIO_SV.VOB 630784
AUDIO_TS.BUP 10240
AUDIO_TS.IFO 10240
AUDIO_TS.VOB 2455552

Not sure how the Mac shows file sizes, but the above are from a PC.

With my player I had to go through a couple of DVD brands before I found one that would play 100%. It is strange that you can play the DD DTS files, that would indicate a good burn of the VIDEO_TS directory at least. Hope the above helps and good luck.

Thanks, when I get home I'll check and see what I see in the DVD files. Are the numbers part of the filenames?

I've also found a few other possibilities for how to burn this thing so I've got a number of things to try when I get home. Luckily I have about 23 DVD+R's left to try it with (and can get more pretty cheaply)!
Interestingly enough so far every one of the DVD's I burned will play on my other DVD players just fine, (but none of them can play DVDA data). Anyway thanks for your help so far, I know I'll get this working at some point!

Only about 2 hours before I get home!

The numbers are the file sizes as listed on a PC (in bytes).

Thanks so much for all of your help so far!

Ok so I'm home now. I'm looking at the disc image and the Audio TS file has all of the files you've listed and the file sizes look about right as well. However! What I noticed is that the one disc that will play properly, as I suspected, does not have anything in the audio_ts folder. So now I'm wondering if it's a problem with my player... Though my player does just fine with commercial DVDA's, even ones with seperate DD areas and such. It could also be that one or more of the files in the AUDIO_TS folder are corrupted in some way...
I've also tried burning directly from the MacOS burner and that one also doesn't play...

Time to install Windows :p

I used imgburn (PC freeware) and the disc worked perfectly on my Oppo 970HD.

You said the one disc that plays OK has nothing in the Audio_Ts folder - that means your burn is at least partially successful on that DVD type. On that disc you will have stuff in the Video_TS folder and that is the DD DTS info you have access to.

Sounds like more of a software (burning) problem than hardware. Your final DVD from the ISO will have both the Video_TS folder (with a bunch of Video and VTS files which are for DD DTS) and the Audio_TS folder (with above mentioned files). Anything other than that and you have not burned correctly (for reasons beyond my knowledge not ever having used a Mac).

Yes, I realize that the correct burn should have everything in both the Video and Audio TS folders. The problem is that all of the ones that have everything in both folders do not work (on my DVDA player, they work fine in every other DVD player I try). I think I figured out why the one was Video only, and it has to do with the burning program I used to make that one.
I've also done some experimenting, and it seems that about everyother time I put one of the non-working discs into my DVDA player, it will try to play it, get to the point of showing a little DVD logo, meaning it's figured out it's a DVD, try to play it, then sit for a few seconds and then put a message up on the TV screen that says "cannot play this disc format" or something to that effect. I'm really starting to wonder if it's something with my player...

Hard to say... Do you have access to a PC with a DVD burner you can use to make sure it's not the burning application or something strange with Mac OSX?

"Good News Everyone!" /Professor Farnsworth

Last night after trying almost everything I could think of to get this to work, I just tried re-downloading the file, got it, burned it this morning and IT WORKS!

Anyway I'll document how I went about burning it for anyone who may need to know in the future.
After d/ling the file I went to the MacOS's DisK Utility program, selected the image file, clicked burn, inserted my DVD+R (only because I'd heard they worked well with my player), and hit burn.
One note, I don't know if this made a difference but I had already mounted the disc image before burning it, but still chose the .iso file to burn from.
Anyway thank you everyone for all of your help and your patience with my endless questions and complaints. I very well might have given up a while back if it wasn't for all of you! Thanks again! Now I can enjoy this mix to the fullest degree possible!
[Edit] I should also add that just to be safe I set the burn speed to the slowest possible (I think it was 2.4x on my machine) which I don't recall doing the other times I tried Disk Utility, so that might have made a difference too.

"Good News Everyone!" /Professor Farnsworth

Last night after trying almost everything I could think of to get this to work, I just tried re-downloading the file, got it, burned it this morning and IT WORKS!

Anyway I'll document how I went about burning it for anyone who may need to know in the future.
After d/ling the file I went to the MacOS's Disc Utility program, selected the image file, clicked burn, inserted my DVD+R (only because I'd heard they worked well with my player), and hit burn.
One note, I don't know if this made a difference but I had already mounted the disc image before burning it, but still chose the .iso file to burn from.
Anyway thank you everyone for all of your help and your patience with my endless questions and complaints. I very well might have given up a while back if it wasn't for all of you! Thanks again! Now I can enjoy this mix to the fullest degree possible!

:cool: Enjoy, mate, it's a real treat.

for those of you interested...

the DVD-A was created by someone (I dont know who) using my original source material (which were four 24/44.8 AIFF files). I dont know who A/D'ed the master material, however this material has been foating around the west coast among recording engineer circles. that is how I came in contact with the source material. it seemed too good to NOT be distributed online, and until someone wants to market/sell this material, I dont see any problem with it. Ive hear that there once was a public release of this in the form of a quadrophonic LP however it is apparent that this material originated from tape. you can hear the tapes being stopped etc. as well as some sort of quantization/timecode blip right before "Money" (on the original source material). I havent heard this DVD-A bootleg although I am almost certain this is from my souce as its release time was shortly after I let the pcm files go.

below is some information regarding the copy that I have:
Sample Rate: 48,000Hz
Bit Depth: 24
File Format: AIFF
Track Seperation: 4 individual files
Running Time: 44m 04s (approx.)

PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME EMAIL OR PM ASKING FOR THE SOURCE. IF YOU CAN FIND IT, GOOD FOR YOU. IF NOT, LOOK FOR THE DVD-A THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT. ***AGAIN, DONT ASK ME FOR A COPY OF THIS. I WILL ONLY REPLY TO LEGIT. QUESTIONS AND/OR INFORMATION PROVIDED TO ME REGARDING THIS SOURCE. THANKS!***

for those of you interested...

the DVD-A was created by someone (I dont know who) using my original source material (which were four 24/44.8 AIFF files). I dont know who A/D'ed the master material, however this material has been foating around the west coast among recording engineer circles. that is how I came in contact with the source material. it seemed too good to NOT be distributed online, and until someone wants to market/sell this material, I dont see any problem with it. Ive hear that there once was a public release of this in the form of a quadrophonic LP however it is apparent that this material originated from tape. you can hear the tapes being stopped etc. as well as some sort of quantization/timecode blip right before "Money" (on the original source material). I havent heard this DVD-A bootleg although I am almost certain this is from my souce as its release time was shortly after I let the pcm files go.

below is some information regarding the copy that I have:
Sample Rate: 44,800Hz
Bit Depth: 24
File Format: AIFF
Track Seperation: 4 individual files
Running Time: 44m 04s (approx.)

PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME EMAIL OR PM ASKING FOR THE SOURCE. IF YOU CAN FIND IT, GOOD FOR YOU. IF NOT, LOOK FOR THE DVD-A THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT. ***AGAIN, DONT ASK ME FOR A COPY OF THIS. I WILL ONLY REPLY TO LEGIT. QUESTIONS AND/OR INFORMATION PROVIDED TO ME REGARDING THIS SOURCE. THANKS!***
Where'd the LFE track come from?

Where'd the LFE track come from?

from the DVD-A description (written by the person/group who made public the DVD via a ********** web site); posted in the first post of the thread on the quad forum, linked to in the first post of this thread...

"Dark Side Of The Moon
From the original 1/2" Master Tapes

This is the real deal. not the usual Q8 or SQ versions with all their limitations
(limited bandwidth on the Q8, Matrixed surround on the SQ etc) but a genuine transfer from the original master tapes.
Finally you can hear Alan Parsons mix as it was always intended to be heard in studio quality audio.
The only "liberty" we have taken here is an additional .1 track. You can make up your own mind as to
whether or not it is a worthwhile addition.
It also features all new artwork in both sections specially created for this DVD-Audio release
The disc will play on all DVD players, as it is a DVD-Audio/Video "hybrid" containing the following:

Audio_TS
MLP Lossless at 24/96 Resolution in 4.1

Video_TS
DTS from 24/48 Source files
Dolby Digital from 24/48 Source files

Additionally, it is possible to play both the lossy streams from DVD-Audio players.
Each type has it's own menus. What you can access is dependant entirely on your player.

All Authoring, Encoding, Post Production and design is exclusive to this release.

FEEL FREE TO DISTRIBUTE THIS DISC TO OTHERS, BUT ALWAYS "AS IS" AND IN FULL.
PLEASE DO NOT RIP AND REPOST IN ANY OTHER FORMAT. THERE IS NO NEED AS ALL DVD PLAYERS CAN READ THIS DISC, AND DOING SO WILL DEPRIVE OTHERS OF THE FULL HIGH RESOLUTION FORMATS USED.
ADDITIONALLY, RIPPING TO DTS-CD WILL INVOLVE QUALITY LOSS DUE TO DOWNSAMPLING, AND WILL REDUCE THE LISTENING PLEASURE FOR OTHERS. "

Sample Rate: 44,800Hz
Bit Depth: 24
File Format: AIFF
Track Seperation: 4 individual files
Running Time: 44m 04s (approx.)
Where'd you get equipment that works at 44.8kHz? I've heard of 44.1kHz and 48kHz, but not 44.8kHz.

I burned the DVD-Audio version and have the problem where it hangs on the Obsolete Productions screen. I have a Pioneer dv-578a that plays commercial dvd-audios fine.

I noticed that the Audio_ts folder contained TWO files named "ATS_01_1.AOB" - one over a GB and the other one was 2K, so I didn't add the 2K version to the disc folder when burning with Nero. Obviously, Nero won't let me have to files with the same name in the same folder. I suspect this is the culprit?

And are the 24/96 MLP tracks upsampled from Homtail's original 24/28 tracks?

phokus,
if you look back a little ways in this thread (it should be about midway down on the page before this one (page 13)) there is a post from PaulT_BC with all of the files you should have, and the file sizes. I was having a lot of trouble with this too, and actually had to re-download the whole thing to get it to work (I'm still not sure what the problem was with the first download...). I think that one of your files should be named "ATS_01_2.AOB" and it should be a lot bigger than 2k.

I did see that post - I'll try and verify that I have all those files when I get back to the home pc. If I recall, I did have all those files, but also an extra ATS_01_1.AOB which was maybe 4096 bytes. Since the other ATS_01_1.AOB was over a GB, I figured that must be the one with most of the content, so I added that to the disc folder. and left the smaller one out

What I didn't understand is why the Audio_TS folder would have two files with the same name that are clearly much different in size. I downloaded it several months ago and had the same problem, so this is the 2nd time I've downloaded it too.

So a new question. Any other similar DVDA'a floating around out there on the internet? I know there are a couple of other Floyd mixes out there (I also know they aren't nearly as good as this mix). But any other non-floyd stuff out there besides just straight pirates of currently released material? This DSOTM is so good I'm interested in other things like it!

OK - Problem solved. I just burned the ISO as an image instead of extracting the _TS folders and creating a DVD-V in Nero. I don't know what I was thinking, but anyway it plays and sounds great.

Congrats, I know the frustration of not being able to get this to work too and it's extra-sweet when you finally do get it working!

So a new question. Any other similar DVDA'a floating around out there on the internet? I know there are a couple of other Floyd mixes out there (I also know they aren't nearly as good as this mix). But any other non-floyd stuff out there besides just straight pirates of currently released material? This DSOTM is so good I'm interested in other things like it!

From my experience, the DSOTM DVD-A is in a class by itself.

I can't think of anything else I've come across that is comparable from a quality and "wow-factor" standpoint.

From my experience, the DSOTM DVD-A is in a class by itself.

I can't think of anything else I've come across that is comparable from a quality and "wow-factor" standpoint.
While the only other one I've tried is WYWH, I agree that this DSOTM stands alone in the quality department.

If there is a way for someone to get one of these for a donation to their favorite charity please PM.

\AUDIO_TS:

ATS_01_0.BUP 4096
ATS_01_0.IFO 4096
ATS_01_1.AOB 1073739776
ATS_01_2.AOB 624715776
AUDIO_PP.IFO 131072
AUDIO_SV.BUP 4096
AUDIO_SV.IFO 4096
AUDIO_SV.VOB 630784
AUDIO_TS.BUP 10240
AUDIO_TS.IFO 10240
AUDIO_TS.VOB 2455552

Not sure how the Mac shows file sizes, but the above are from a PC.

With my player I had to go through a couple of DVD brands before I found one that would play 100%. It is strange that you can play the DD DTS files, that would indicate a good burn of the VIDEO_TS directory at least. Hope the above helps and good luck.
Hi Paul,
I have a follow up question about the file structure. My DL netted a .rar file, not a .iso file, so I have to recreate the files & directories manually. The Audio_TS folder has everything that you listed and 2 files that windows shows as VOB file type, although they have no extension. I also have the Video_TS folder containing numerous files. Nero express would allow me to burn a video dvd of the Video_TS folder and it plays on my Denon DVD-1920 just fine with either DD4.1 or DTS audio. It is splendid!
My 1st attempt was to have a complete all in 1 disc that would play the DVD-A tracks, I put the artwork jpegs and info .txt files in the root directory and put the Audio_TS and Video_TS folders there as well (as folders). I get an unreadable disc error. Is there an autorun file or something I am missing in this structure? It seems there is nothing there to point to the folders containing the files. I do not get the Obsolete Productions splash screen. I'd hate to DL the whole thing if there is just 1 file missing. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks! Kevin

Hi Paul,
I have a follow up question about the file structure. My DL netted a .rar file, not a .iso file, so I have to recreate the files & directories manually.

I would go back and try to find the original files somewhere (don't ask me where, as I don't know).

The DL originally contained 4 files:

DSOTM Info.txt 2KB
DVDcoverDSOTM.jpg 901KB
DSOTMlabel.jpg 301KB
Pink Floyd - Ultimate DSOTM 4_1.iso 3599808KB

Thanks! Good call. The eagle has landed.

Yeah I first thought the ISO was a RAR archive since it had that little RAR icon. It was in fact an image and burning it as so solved the dual filename problem.

Thank you both,
Dave, this is too strange and annoying. The latest version of creative dvd-a player needs the new drivers (Jan 06) to have previously been installed.
On the other hand, if you manage to update succesfully you will probably face the undiserable "spaces" problem. Though, I don't think there are many dvd-as with the "continuity amongst songs" characteristic, DSOTM is enough to prevent you from upgrading. I have reported the problem to Creative's support and I only hope for an update.

The PDVD refusal to send LF signal only from THIS DVD-A is, I guess, an adequate evidence of my rotten luck.


I used Nero Premium 7.2 and it adds empty spaces between the tracks which is a huge problem. Does anyone know how I can burn without the gaps between songs? This essentially ruins the album.


George

The download is an iso file so basically an image of the DVD. I don't think you can control the gaps between the songs. I just burnt mine with Nero 6 and it worked fine

So you also have gaps between the songs? I find it very distracting.

I burnt it with Nero in two ways. 1) I "unpacked" the ISO into seperate AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders and burned the VIDEO_TS folder only to DVD-R (my DVD player doesn't play DVD-A so no need for the AUDIO_TS folder) and way number 2) I simply burned the ISO as am image to DVD-R...

Both work fine and I have no gaps.... Are you only getting gaps on the MLP section of the DVD-A?

I burned it as an ISO image using Nero and playing the MLP section on my Denon 3910 there are brief soundless gaps between each of the tracks. So each of you tracks flows into the next without any gaps as the regular CD version would play?

It should play back seamlessly.

No issues to speak of on my Denon 1920.

Same on my Denon 5900.

That is odd. I only get the gaps on the DVD-A section and not the DD or DTS sections.

Anyone have any ideas?

Maybe these gaps are player specific and/or DVD+R or DVD-R specific as well.

I think they're probably related to certain players' limitations with burned DVDs, maybe.

Thanks for the responses. It really is odd. The gaps are essentially where the tracks would be expected to end and begin. I will have to check the Denon 3910 manual to see if I am missing something. Any 3910 owners who eitherr have or do not have the gaps between tracks on the DVD-A section?

Thanks again.

Note: Gaps between DVD-A tracks is a player firmware issue. My Denon DVD-5900 originally had such gaps. I reported this to Denon, and they sent me a firmware update. b.t.w. I have DSOTM DVDA which plays with no gaps.

Has anyone up here in Canada been able to download a copy ?

Note: Gaps between DVD-A tracks is a player firmware issue. My Denon DVD-5900 originally had such gaps. I reported this to Denon, and they sent me a firmware update. b.t.w. I have DSOTM DVDA which plays with no gaps.


I had the most recent 3910 firmware from Denon's website (version B) and have now updated it to version E just to be sure. The gaps are still there. I am assuming that Nero is somehow responsible - I will have to see how it plays on my computer (weekend project). It is also my understanding that there is only one version and source of the DVD-A so I do not believe I have some rogue version.

I do not believe I have some rogue version.

A "non-rogue" version of the DSOTM DVD-A.

:rolleyes:

I just downloaded this today and it is pretty impressive. Do I like it better than my SACD? No, it is different, not better or worse. On the question of if this is a legal version, I would say most likely not. Technically, you could say it is out of print since the Quadraphonic version has not been available in decades, but, if you look at fair use and copyright law there are other things which would be looked at. Yes, you are using it for personal use, which is not protected, use to comment and for education are, the original version of this occurred for entertainment not as a newsworthy event so that part is not protected under fair use. There is loss of revenue since theoretically people are downloading this release instead of the release that is currently available and finally, since it is used in its entirety it is not protected. Looking at this I would say if a lawyer representing Pink Floyd wanted to they could at a minimum issue a cease and desist and could go as far as bringing a suit against the person who released this, anyone they can prove downloaded it and anyone actively allowing people to download it and damages could be assessed.

I listened to the DSOTM DVDA mix and while I like it, it seems like it's missing something. Obviously there are some things you don' t hear on the SACD, but there also seems to be some things that are lacking. I don't know how to explain it. It's good, but just doesn't sound as complete as the SACD.

Does that make sense?

I have it now too and listened to them back to back.

The SACD sounds hollow to me compared to the DVD-A.

I prefer the DVD-A from my initial listening.

Good grief! In searching for info on a DVD-A of Gilmour's "On An Island", I found mention of a DVD-A of DSOTM. Well, that's exciting, but this really isn't a DVD-A, is it? Isn't it something that gets downloaded and played as a file? I don't know of a way to burn a DVD-A.

that's exciting, but this really isn't a DVD-A, is it?

Yes, it really and truly is a DVD-A.

Yes, it really and truly is a DVD-A.
How does one burn a DVD-A?

Just like normal. I used Nero 7 since it supports authoring DVD-A/Multichannel but other versions might work.

I burned the DVD like normal onto a DVD+R from the ISO image and popped it in my dvd player. It recognized it as a DVD-A and started playing.

There are some graphics and stuff along with a menu that does not pop up unless you hit menu. It says MLP Lossless, DD, and DTS.

I mistakenly hit the DD track and was greated to a lot of noise. Not sure if they exist or not but the MLP track is definitely DVD-A.

I think after listening to it again its a more musical mix. I used BT to get it, only took 6 days :)

Just like normal. I used Nero 7 since it supports authoring DVD-A/Multichannel but other versions might work.

I burned the DVD like normal onto a DVD+R from the ISO image and popped it in my dvd player. It recognized it as a DVD-A and started playing.

There are some graphics and stuff along with a menu that does not pop up unless you hit menu. It says MLP Lossless, DD, and DTS.

I mistakenly hit the DD track and was greated to a lot of noise. Not sure if they exist or not but the MLP track is definitely DVD-A.

I think after listening to it again its a more musical mix. I used BT to get it, only took 6 days :)
COOL! Thanks!

It says MLP Lossless, DD, and DTS.

I mistakenly hit the DD track and was greated to a lot of noise. Not sure if they exist or not...

The DVD-A contains the Parsons quad mix in MLP 24/96, DTS, and Dolby Digital.

All three mixes are indeed present on the DVD-A in their entirety.

How does one burn a DVD-A?It's an image file. You just copy the image.

I'm jealous of folks just now stumbling across this.

Definitely one of the more mind-blowing musical discoveries of 2006.

It is, it's easily the best piece of music I've acquired all year.

It is, it's easily the best piece of music I've acquired all year.
Could someone PM me a "general description" of where to obtain this? TIA!

Google is ur best friend...

Google is ur best friend...
Thanks, that'll probably do it. Benefactor listed some file names a few posts back; I'll start with one of those . . .

Didn't want to be purposely vague, but that's how I 'found' it myself after reading up on it here...quite easy, actually.

Didn't want to be purposely vague, but that's how I 'found' it myself after reading up on it here...quite easy, actually.
I understand. <nudge, nudge, wink, wink>

The DVD-A contains the Parsons quad mix in MLP 24/96, DTS, and Dolby Digital.

All three mixes are indeed present on the DVD-A in their entirety.

I can confirm that. When I first acquired it, I had no DVD-A capability in my HT system. So I could only listen to the DD tracks which were pretty good anyway. I know MLP was there since when I played it on my PC with WinDVD7, the option to select the MLP tracks presented itself. But as others have noted, you cannot really enjoy the full fidelity of the MLP tracks on a PC without a high end sound card (which my SB Live 5.1 isn't).

Having upgraded to a DVD-A player and AVR with 6 channel analogue inputs, I can now play the MLP tracks on my HT system and it sounds outstanding!

Thanks for pointing out this DVD-A. It is a nice addition to my set up.
It took two days and now I am returning the favor to others :)
I did have to buy a DVD burner. That is ok... I am sure I will find other uses for it lol

It took two days and now I am returning the favor to others :)
I did have to buy a DVD burner. That is ok... I am sure I will find other uses for it lol

IMO, it's well-worth the price of a DVD burner.

This is totally a tangent from the main thrust of the thread, but I'm recording TNT-HD's airing of "The Wizard of Oz" right now. The idea of syncing either of the hi-rez versions of DSOTM with the HD video is just too alluring. The only downside is the commercials, but I think I'll be quick with the pause button.

This is totally a tangent from the main thrust of the thread, but I'm recording TNT-HD's airing of "The Wizard of Oz" right now. The idea of syncing either of the hi-rez versions of DSOTM with the HD video is just too alluring. The only downside is the commercials, but I think I'll be quick with the pause button.

It has been done already and also done very well, and is available via the same methods you may have used to locate DSOTM on DVD-A.

You might want to look into "Dark Side Of The Rainbow"...

It has been done already and also done very well, and is available via the same methods you may have used to locate DSOTM on DVD-A.

You might want to look into "Dark Side Of The Rainbow"...Oh, I know about the pre-synced versions. I was more excited about the "hi-def squared" aspect.

It has been done already and also done very well, and is available via the same methods you may have used to locate DSOTM on DVD-A.

You might want to look into "Dark Side Of The Rainbow"...
Thanks.

I stumbled on this thread yesterday, went home, installed the software I needed on my Intel iMac, and started downloading. The estimate it gave me is 7 DAYS! Does anybody know if I need anything special to burn the DVD? I don't have Toast, which seems to be everyone's favorite, but do I need it? (I know, read the thread, it's already been posted, do a search, google is your friend)

I'd given up on DVD-A before I even got started with it, the 2 discs I had previously bought were nothing I'd listen to for more than the novelty, so I'm patiently waiting on this download. I see that torrents are interruptible, so I'm going to try tweaking my router settings to get this to work better. I guess I need to set port forwarding on. (See, I did do a search.)

I'm going to have to steal my son's speakers once I get this going. I took down my old rears about a year ago to paint the room and never put them back up, and they weren't any good anyway. Since this is discreet quad, does this mean there is no stereo on it? And I'm confused about the .1. Does it have an LFE channel or not? My mains go very low and would actually prefer to not use my sub as I never use it for music. It isn't set up very well for music but is OK for movies.

My gear is in a state far beyond anything I ever thought I would own, mostly because I've learned how to build it myself. Push-pull DHT 6B4G amp, Aikido 6GM8 pre-amp, Scan-speak drivers in my speakers (hand built, veneered, finished), my son's speakers were a birthday present the I built for him, MurphyBlaster OW1, and an Outlaw 1050 HT receiver to control it all although the front will go direct into the tube gear, and a Panny S77 DVD.

I am one of the 3 remaining people that doesn't own DSOTM on CD or SACD. I played my 70s vintage vinyl of it just a few weeks ago and it's pretty worn out. I still have the original art in the jacket.

If this doesn't knock my socks off I'll be surprised.

I'm confused about the .1. Does it have an LFE channel or not?

Here is the text file that accompanied the original torrent:

Dark Side Of The Moon
From the original 1/2" Master Tapes

This is the real deal. not the usual Q8 or SQ versions with all their limitations
(limited bandwidth on the Q8, Matrixed surround on the SQ etc) but a genuine transfer from the original master tapes.
Finally you can hear Alan Parsons mix as it was always intended to be heard in studio quality audio.

The only "liberty" we have taken here is an additional .1 track. You can make up your own mind as to
whether or not it is a worthwhile addition.

It also features all new artwork in both sections specially created for this DVD-Audio release
The disc will play on all DVD players, as it is a DVD-Audio/Video "hybrid" containing the following:

Audio_TS
MLP Lossless at 24/96 Resolution in 4.1

Video_TS
DTS from 24/48 Source files
Dolby Digital from 24/48 Source files

Additionally, it is possible to play both the lossy streams from DVD-Audio players.
Each type has it's own menus. What you can access is dependant entirely on your player.

All Authoring, Encoding, Post Production and design is exclusive to this release.

FEEL FREE TO DISTRIBUTE THIS DISC TO OTHERS, BUT ALWAYS "AS IS" AND IN FULL.
PLEASE DO NOT RIP AND REPOST IN ANY OTHER FORMAT. THERE IS NO NEED AS ALL DVD PLAYERS CAN READ THIS DISC,
AND DOING SO WILL DEPRIVE OTHERS OF THE FULL HIGH RESOLUTION FORMATS USED.
ADDITIONALLY, RIPPING TO DTS-CD WILL INVOLVE QUALITY LOSS DUE TO DOWNSAMPLING, AND WILL
REDUCE THE LISTENING PLEASURE FOR OTHERS.

I looked around before committing to a link - the more seeds, the better. My d/l took 2 days. At this point, if you found the right link, you could terminate your present d/l and still finish way sooner than the 7 day one. snarf-it.org

I turned on Port Forwarding and it is running much faster now. It will still take at least 2 days, but at least it's moving. The big problem is that it eats up the CPU and/or my connection. I'll let this run overnight and into tomorrow.

I did not make any changes to my router or firewall. My computer was on continuously for a bit over two days. I have both my user account and my wife's on it. Occasionally, I would pause the torrent and switch users for my wife to check her email. Then I would switch back and resume. We are on an 8mb/764kb connection and have several computers around the house, so I was always able to get on somewhere.

My connection isn't nearly that fast. I think I'm at 1.5mb/256 or maybe 512. The estimate is at 2 days but I don't think it will take that long because that includes time spent at a much slower speed. The router change definitely helps the speed as it opened my DL up to many more seeds.

So my next question. Once I have it downloaded, whenever it completes, my understanding is that it is already a dvd disk image. Is that true? If so, do I need to use any other MAC utilities to get it onto a disc? or can I just drag it over? Or do I have to burn it in some way.

I'm still pretty new to a mac, but my PC didn't have any burners on it either. My mac is an Intel based 20" iMac, so it is up-to-date with everything. I don't have Toast or any other burning/authoring software that isn't standard.

I've tried reading through the thread, but the one mention I saw of Mac I can't find again.

Come on folks - this isn't a forum about BT protocol or burning DVDs.

The information on how create the disc has been spelled out numerous times already in this thread (and several other places online).

Come on folks - this isn't a forum about BT protocol or burning DVDs.

The information on how create the disc has been spelled out numerous times already in this thread (and several other places online).
Admittedly, I've only been on this thread for a few days, but the brief wanderings OT that I've seen in conjunction with discussion of the thread subject doesn't seem to be offensive to me. As long as we don't post things that will get our hosts in trouble.

Am I off base?

Am I off base?


I think so, but I'm certainly not a moderator here, so I might be wrong.

My understanding is that this is a forum to discuss the content of the DVD-A itself.

This is not a forum to discuss how to obtain the DVD-A, and/or the "mechanics" of creating the disc itself, and since I'm not even allowed to type the word **********, which is why I used "BT", I would think that the content of some of the recent posts in this thread certainly does cross the line.

I just want to see this thread remain here, I've certainly enjoyed it over the last several months, and it was what brought me to the AVS forums in the first place. Since then, I've gleaned a wealth of information on a variety of topics.

I think so, but I'm certainly not a moderator here, so I might be wrong.

My understanding is that this is a forum to discuss the content of the DVD-A itself.

This is not a forum to discuss how to obtain the DVD-A, and/or the "mechanics" of creating the disc itself, and since I'm not even allowed to type the word **********, which is why I used "BT", I would think that the content of some of the recent posts in this thread certainly does cross the line.

I just want to see this thread remain here, I've certainly enjoyed it over the last several months, and it was what brought me to the AVS forums in the first place. Since then, I've gleaned a wealth of information on a variety of topics.
Your concerns are well-founded, Benefactor. The few questionable posts - I can think of one of mine that might fit that description - should probably have been PM's, but I don't see occasional peripheral discussions of a technical nature as any reason to endanger the thread. As you spend more time on AVS you will see posts that will curl your eyelids; so far nuttin' here has come close.

I'd be OK if you want to have a mod or admin visit and render an opinion on what we've been doing. :)

Finally got a copy and WOW was worth the wait...

Mark

I sure hope so, I've been waiting for a week now. It ties up my entire network when it's running, and I'm getting a lot of grief from my 3 kids. Heaven forbid that they can't get on the internet. They've all learned how to stop and restart it.

I should know by tonight.

You won't regret the grief you have been getting from your kids about their in ability to access the Internet while you download this gem. Of all my MCH releases, I think this one, Eagles Hotel California and Brain Salad Surgery are my favourites and IMHO some of the best multichannel recordings around.

Though I haven't stuck my head against the tweeters, I am really surprised also at the lack of tape hiss on DSOTM given the vintage of the recording. The thread that started this doesn't talk about any noise reduction being done on the recording - just that there were these digital copies of DSOTM floating around in the recording engineer circuit and somebody decided to reauthor them to DVD-A (DD and DTS), add a LFE track and release them.

As a slightly offtopic aside it took me a week to grab during which time, everybody else on my network was able to do their usual stuff so I am not sure why your downloading the files locks everybody else. I was able even to do usual stuff on the machine that was doing the download.


Larry

It didn't lock everyone out, just slowed it to a crawl.

In any case I gave it a first listen tonight. I was being rushed so I didn't have time to adjust or anything, but I wasn't so impressed. My original 70s era LP sounds better IMO. Deeper bass, more realistic voices. I don't have the CD so I can't compare it to that.

I'm not giving up on it yet, I'll tweak it over the next week. I think I have the house to myself on Thursday night so I'll get to do some then. I'll try better surround speakers, level check it, try using the sub etc...

But I can't say that I like the surround experience at all. It just sounds gimmicky. Maybe that's why I never went past the first 2 DVD-As that I bought. Good stereo, with good equipment that can deliver the depth of the soundstage and make the speakers disappear just sounds better. And DSOTM with the rear projection of voices just sounded spooky when I first heard it in stereo, and still does. I wish there were a stereo hi-rez mix, that would be nice, well maybe.

It didn't lock everyone out, just slowed it to a crawl.

In any case I gave it a first listen tonight. I was being rushed so I didn't have time to adjust or anything, but I wasn't so impressed. My original 70s era LP sounds better IMO. Deeper bass, more realistic voices. I don't have the CD so I can't compare it to that.

I'm not giving up on it yet, I'll tweak it over the next week. I think I have the house to myself on Thursday night so I'll get to do some then. I'll try better surround speakers, level check it, try using the sub etc...

But I can't say that I like the surround experience at all. It just sounds gimmicky. Maybe that's why I never went past the first 2 DVD-As that I bought. Good stereo, with good equipment that can deliver the depth of the soundstage and make the speakers disappear just sounds better. And DSOTM with the rear projection of voices just sounded spooky when I first heard it in stereo, and still does. I wish there were a stereo hi-rez mix, that would be nice, well maybe.
Ever been to a Pink Floyd concert? They toured with a quad sound reinforcement system and panned/mixed sounds pretty much like the DVD-A. If the artist creates in quad, how can that be gimmicky? Different, oh yeah.

Some surround mixes are better than others though as not all engineers and producers "get it." I love all of the Dan material, but those guys are consummate masters. This is where reviews come in. I never buy a DVD-A without reading a review or two to hear what comments the reviewer has on the subject.

BTW, there are DD & DTS surround mixes on the DSOTM DVD-A that, depending on your AVR/pre-pro, will collapse into a stereo mix.

Quad died, and DVD-A and SACD are also dead. Surround music just isn't going to happen.

I tried the DTS cut downmixed to stereo even before you suggested it, and it was better to my ears, but still not quite right. The "sonic holography" that is on the original stereo release doesn't come through. Those voices in the back of your head aren't really there.

Maybe I've been listening to the same version all these years and don't want to hear anything else? I don't think that's it though, as I listen to a lot of different music and wouldn't want surround on any of it. I never get to sit in the middle of a live performance.

Like I said though, I'll keep trying. I'm going to do an A/B comparison to the LP. I've also got the Beatle's Love DVDA and I haven't played that yet.

It didn't lock everyone out, just slowed it to a crawl.

In any case I gave it a first listen tonight. I was being rushed so I didn't have time to adjust or anything, but I wasn't so impressed. My original 70s era LP sounds better IMO. Deeper bass, more realistic voices. I don't have the CD so I can't compare it to that.

I'm not giving up on it yet, I'll tweak it over the next week. I think I have the house to myself on Thursday night so I'll get to do some then. I'll try better surround speakers, level check it, try using the sub etc...

But I can't say that I like the surround experience at all. It just sounds gimmicky. Maybe that's why I never went past the first 2 DVD-As that I bought. Good stereo, with good equipment that can deliver the depth of the soundstage and make the speakers disappear just sounds better. And DSOTM with the rear projection of voices just sounded spooky when I first heard it in stereo, and still does. I wish there were a stereo hi-rez mix, that would be nice, well maybe.

For someone who doesn't like "the surround experience at all" why would you go to the trouble of downloading this disc?

The DVD-A is not in the least "gimmicky". I would suggest that you first timbre match all four of your speakers. If you still don't like this mix then try the SACD 5.1 version. It is less agressive and remastered for overall better dynamic range.

Quad died, and DVD-A and SACD are also dead. Surround music just isn't going to happen.

I tried the DTS cut downmixed to stereo even before you suggested it, and it was better to my ears, but still not quite right. The "sonic holography" that is on the original stereo release doesn't come through. Those voices in the back of your head aren't really there.

Maybe I've been listening to the same version all these years and don't want to hear anything else? I don't think that's it though, as I listen to a lot of different music and wouldn't want surround on any of it. I never get to sit in the middle of a live performance.

Like I said though, I'll keep trying. I'm going to do an A/B comparison to the LP. I've also got the Beatle's Love DVDA and I haven't played that yet.

You do realize this is the Surround Music forum?

I've also got the Beatle's Love DVDA and I haven't played that yet.

I'd be interested in your impressions of the Love DVD-A, considering you find the Alan Parsons mix of DSOTM to sound "gimmicky".

:rolleyes:

Quad died, and DVD-A and SACD are also dead. Surround music just isn't going to happen.
Quad as a home entertainment surround format never really lived. I and a LOT of other people are buying DVD-A/SACD discs, and waiting eagerly for surround music to come to the next gen optical formats. So, technically and actually, surround music *is* happening.

I tried the DTS cut downmixed to stereo even before you suggested it, and it was better to my ears, but still not quite right. The "sonic holography" that is on the original stereo release doesn't come through. Those voices in the back of your head aren't really there.
Then you do not grok Dark Side of the Moon! :D

Maybe I've been listening to the same version all these years and don't want to hear anything else? I don't think that's it though, as I listen to a lot of different music and wouldn't want surround on any of it. I never get to sit in the middle of a live performance.

Like I said though, I'll keep trying. I'm going to do an A/B comparison to the LP. I've also got the Beatle's Love DVDA and I haven't played that yet.
"I listen to a lot of different music and wouldn't want surround on any of it."? That's pretty much all you're going to get. Surround music fans consider merely having crowd noise and ambiance in the surrounds lame. Personally, I would not want to be in the middle of the drum kit, but the occasional panned tom tom riff is OK. Background vocals, sure. Lead guitar out of the blue from behind me, no. Occasional dual guitar leads split front-to-back or LR-to-RR, perhaps. No pun intended, but it's all about balance.

I do not like gimmicky surround mixes either, and there are a few. But most, for me at least, enhance the listening experience. In many ways, our home theaters are not all about duplicating the movie theater experience. Most I've been in have gone way beyond and are better in many ways. Similarly, I consider well done surround music a step beyond live music and way beyond stereo.

Just my $.02. :)

For someone who doesn't like "the surround experience at all" why would you go to the trouble of downloading this disc?

The DVD-A is not in the least "gimmicky". I would suggest that you first timbre match all four of your speakers. If you still don't like this mix then try the SACD 5.1 version. It is less agressive and remastered for overall better dynamic range.

As I said, I've only bought 2 disks in the years I've had DVD-A. This seemed like it would be a good recording to give it another try. The best timbre match would be my MurphyBlasters, they also use ScanSpeak tweeters, but these would need to go back to where they are now. I'm not going to spend money however on this, I'd prefer to put it elsewhere in my system.

Then you do not grok Dark Side of the Moon!

I think you missed my point, or mayb I said it wrong. On the original stereo LP, I could hear voices in the back of my head, on the downmix I can't. That was the most startling thing about this album in the 70s, but most systems didn't reproduce it, you had to be in the sweet spot, and the fog in the dorm room didn't help (or maybe it did).

I checked this forum because of the Beatles Love DVD and saw DSOTM. Since DSOTM has been around for almost a year now I'm obviously not checking much. For that matter I didn't know it was on SACD either.

I think you missed my point, or mayb I said it wrong. On the original stereo LP, I could hear voices in the back of my head, on the downmix I can't. That was the most startling thing about this album in the 70s, but most systems didn't reproduce it, you had to be in the sweet spot, and the fog in the dorm room didn't help (or maybe it did).
You said it right; I read it wrong. Must've been the fog in my room. :)

My apologies if it seemed like I was lecturing. It all comes down to personal taste. I'll end with: Keep reading reviews and you might find another DVD-A that you want to try. Five identical - direct radiating - speakers are best for surround music, whereas most prefer dipole surrounds for movies. No one system is ideal for both and that's a bummer.

Pardon me if this (http://www.highfidelityreview.com/reviews/review.asp?reviewnumber=12583627) has been linked before . . .

. . . if it has, I'll delete this post.

I think you missed my point, or mayb I said it wrong. On the original stereo LP, I could hear voices in the back of my head, on the downmix I can't. That was the most startling thing about this album in the 70s, but most systems didn't reproduce it, you had to be in the sweet spot, and the fog in the dorm room didn't help (or maybe it did).


My guess is that if you sit down in a comfy chair and "roll one up", you'll find those voices are still quite present in the Parsons quad DVD-A as well...

I don't doubt that. They just aren't in the right place on the downmixed DTS. I'm relying on my Outlaw receiver to do the mix and the encoding for the projection of the voices to the back of the room gets messed up. It may not even be there, since this was discrete quad to start with and would just be in the back speakers.

There were a few voices that I'd never heard before, a female voice in particular on side one. There are definitely differences between this and the stereo version.

I stopped rollin 'em up a long time ago. But give me a nice bottle of wine and I'll be happy.

I don't doubt that. They just aren't in the right place on the downmixed DTS.

I wasn't aware until now that you were referencing the DTS tracks on the DVD-A.

I certainly recommend listening to the MLP 24/96 tracks (as opposed to the lossy ones), before you discount the surround experience (and this particular disc) completely.

I'm not sure why anyone would expect a downmix of quad to give the same effect as a dedicated stereo mix. The voices in your head effect on the stereo were mixed out of phase in each channel to create it. On the quad, they were mixed to the back channels. A downmix of that will not invert the phase of one channel to get that effect.

I listened to the 24/96 mix first, in fact my DVD player starts this automatically and I can't access the menu until it is done. I tried the DTS so I could hear it in stereo to see if I liked that better, but the receiver's downmix wasn't right. I wasn't expecting it to be as good as something done on a mixing console by the pros.

On the downmix I did get bass that I wasn't hearing on the 24/96 quad, so I have an issue somewhere. I'm going to try again tonight when my house is empty. With 3 versions on the DVD and my original LP, and 3 different speaker pairs to try as rears, I should come up with something.

I should also factor in the lousy DVD player into my impressions. This thing is hardly high-end. Using the DTS and letting the receiver decode may be better than the DAC in the Panny at the higher sampling rate. Or it may not.

Your player will allow you to select a stereo downmix from the hi-res DVD-Audio version. No need to go to DTS for that.

You're using a Panasonic DVD-S77, right? In that case, I think you need to change the speaker type to "2-channel" to force it to downmix. Or maybe it's always downmixing out of the separate 2-channel outputs; I'm not sure. Probably not as easy as selecting DTS then :)

As for the menu - the "MENU" button doesn't do anything in DVD-Audio. You need to press "TOP MENU" to get the menu up.

If you haven't used the 5.1 analogue connection from your player before, the calibration may be all to pot. Set up the speaker sizes and distances in the player (I'm assuming your receiver doesn't process its 5.1 inputs). Then you'll need to sort out subwoofer level - you'll probably need to enable a +15dB boost on the receiver's subwoofer input; it will hopefully have a special function for this. Good kit defaults to +15dB to avoid this confusion...

Thanks. I only this morning thought that maybe I should pull out the original remote. This of course gave me a lot of additional options to try.

The other thing, something I always harp on in my office, is RTFM. I remember there being a lot of options on this DVD player.

I don't think it downmixes out of the 2channel output automatically. It didn't seem to when I tried that at first so I swapped cables around to the 5.1 analog out, which is what I wanted anyway.

I just read the manual on-line, and yes I think I do need to change speaker settings. My prior DVD-A player did not have any bass management, and this one does. I don't know what the settings are as I'm in my office, but I do know that the subwoofer is set 'on', but I haven't connected my sub.

KMO, I owe you a pint, and at the current rate of exchange I'll need to take out a loan for it.

It's not fair to compare a mix specifically mixed for two-channel with down-mixed quad. It's just literally collapsed with no artistic involvement. A fair comparison would be the 4.1 DVD-A with the 5.1 SACD, or even perhaps the remastered 2-ch CD release (with some Dolby/DTS post-processing). And then one is only considering the overall "experience."

This is totally a tangent from the main thrust of the thread, but I'm recording TNT-HD's airing of "The Wizard of Oz" right now. The idea of syncing either of the hi-rez versions of DSOTM with the HD video is just too alluring. The only downside is the commercials, but I think I'll be quick with the pause button.

I'm interested in this option too! Did you ever get it figured out? Any HD OZ versions out there?
Has anyone tried syncing The Wizard of Oz DVD's with this DVD-A surround version?

I'm interested in this option too! Did you ever get it figured out? Any HD OZ versions out there?
Has anyone tried syncing The Wizard of Oz DVD's with this DVD-A surround version?

Look into "Dark Side of the Rainbow".

This phenomenon has been widely discussed, and has been executed as an A/V experience in an exhaustive and also professional manner if you dig around. Not necessarily with this particular DVD-A version of DSOTM, but with a quite reputable multichannel version mated with a pristine widescreen video print of Oz.

OK. I got everything working, deep bass with the sub, all channels leveled out by ear since I can't find my meter.

I still don't like it.

OTOH, I'm also listening to the Love DVD at the moment and I do like this, at least the full songs. It makes me want more, without the distractions. I don't like the mashups, but I'm skipping what I can. Come Together is playing right now. The surround isn't as aggressive.

You say you want a Revolution...

Look into "Dark Side of the Rainbow".

This phenomenon has been widely discussed, and has been executed as an A/V experience in an exhaustive and also professional manner if you dig around. Not necessarily with this particular DVD-A version of DSOTM, but with a quite reputable multichannel version mated with a pristine widescreen video print of Oz.

Oz isn't a widescreen movie so a pristine widescreen print isn't what one would hope for. Did they cut off the top of the Tin Man's head or Dorothy's ruby red slippers?

Chris

Oz isn't a widescreen movie so a pristine widescreen print isn't what one would hope for. Did they cut off the top of the Tin Man's head or Dorothy's ruby red slippers?

Chris

There is nothing "missing" from the video print...I could have sworn it was in widescreen.

Haven't watched/listened to it in quite some time.

I'll trust your expertise that there is no such animal, and we can move back on topic to the DSOTM DVD-A, and how lame it is.

There is nothing "missing" from the video print...I could have sworn it was in widescreen.

Haven't watched/listened to it in quite some time.

I'll trust your expertise that there is no such animal, and we can move back on topic to the DSOTM DVD-A, and how lame it is.

Well, it may be the Scarecrow was fat if viewed in widescreen. I don't think this DVD-A is lame at all, I just think the SACD is better. It is the coolest bootleg I have ever seen, having seen two now.

Chris

I think it is one of the most significant multichannel releases of all time.

I think it is one of the most significant multichannel releases of all time.

I agree 100%! As a matter of fact, before I listened to this DVD-A I owned about 35 multichannel DVD-A's and SACD's and enjoyed them but wasn't totally into them. About the time I listened to DSOTM DVD-A I upgraded my Processor (5.1 analog ins with Bass management) and changed around my listening position for better balance front to rear. This disc blew me away so much I bought 50 more DVD-A/SACD discs and even got into DTS CDs for the first time. I haven't found a disc that surpassed it but many have come pretty close. This bootleg really kick started my surround sound hobby to the next level. Eric

I agree 100%! As a matter of fact, before I listened to this DVD-A I owned about 35 multichannel DVD-A's and SACD's and enjoyed them but wasn't totally into them. About the time I listened to DSOTM DVD-A I upgraded my Processor (5.1 analog ins with Bass management) and changed around my listening position for better balance front to rear. This disc blew me away so much I bought 50 more DVD-A/SACD discs and even got into DTS CDs for the first time. I haven't found a disc that surpassed it but many have come pretty close. This bootleg really kick started my surround sound hobby to the next level. Eric
In software, that would be referred to as the "killer app" for you. :)

Can someone please PM me a copy of the downloaded file so I can burn it on NERO- I cannot get it to download- Thanks and HAPPY HOLIDAYS_gary

Can someone please PM me a copy of the downloaded file so I can burn it on NERO- I cannot get it to download- Thanks and HAPPY HOLIDAYS_gary
It is well over 3GB. And as it is considered someone else's intellectual property, no one here has the right to distribute it. Also, this forum is to discuss surround music formats, not an activity for which people have been arrested. Sorry, Gary, you're welcome to post about the content, but not how/where to get it.

It is well over 3GB. And as it is considered someone else's intellectual property, no one here has the right to distribute it. Also, this forum is to discuss surround music formats, not an activity for which people have been arrested. Sorry, Gary, you're welcome to post about the content, but not how/where to get it.
If someone wants to simply mail him a copy, free of charge, out of the kindness of their heart, then no laws have been broken. ;)

If someone wants to simply mail him a copy, free of charge, out of the kindness of their heart, then no laws have been broken. ;)
You're wrong, but go ahead and try to email someone a 3.46GB file.

You're wrong, but go ahead and try to email someone a 3.46GB file.

Mail, not email. ;)

But I bet he's trying to burn the torrent file, without using ********** to download the actual file.

Mail, not email. ;)

But I bet he's trying to burn the torrent file, without using ********** to download the actual file.
No matter. This thread and forum is not to be used to discuss the subject. Notice that the word got bleeped?

SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Did not mean to create an issue-

You're wrong, but go ahead and try to email someone a 3.46GB file.
Mail, not email. ;)

exactly :)

Hi, My Christmas Present this year was a Denon 1930ci DVD Player, I tried Playing the DSOTM DVD-A on it and it didn't Recognise the Disk error message.

I have no Problem Playing it on my computer DVD-A Player wAudigy 2 Sound Card.

I looked on Denon's website there is NO Firmware upgrade for this model any Ideas thru PM Please!!

Hi, My Christmas Present this year was a Denon 1930ci DVD Player, I tried Playing the DSOTM DVD-A on it and it didn't Recognise the Disk error message.

I have no Problem Playing it on my computer DVD-A Player wAudigy 2 Sound Card.

I looked on Denon's website there is NO Firmware upgrade for this model any Ideas thru PM Please!!

If the disc was burned correctly, I would think it should play fine in the 1930CI.

My Denon 1920 has no issues playing the DSOTM DVD-A.

Wow, it's painfully slow trying to BT this file now that the "newness" has worn off...

It took me a week. At least you can interrupt a BT and restart it where it left off, at least you can on a mac.

Whether it is worth it or not is a different issue. My opinion is already posted.

Whether it is worth it or not is a different issue. My opinion is already posted.

One of the most significant MC releases of all time.

Available, essentially as "shareware".

Is it worth it?

:rolleyes:

Whether it is worth it or not is a different issue. My opinion is already posted.

I remember 1 guy on this forum who didn't like it and he was downmixing from the 4.1 DTS track into stereo and wondering why it didn't sound right. There were others who preferred the SACD mix but still liked the AP version. I don't think any Pink Floyd fan in the world would not be happy to add this to their collection (if they had a timbre matched surround sound system)!