Found a neat control on the FIOS Moto Box. Don't recall having seen similar on T-W's SciAtl boxes.

Go Settings / Video Settings / SD Override. Choose 480i.

SD image now fills the 16 x 9 screen. On all SD channels. Without reverting to pillars when you change the channel as happens when the aspect button on the remote is used.

Hmmm, if you do NOT choose that option, does it revert to not stretching SD content (distorting the picture I think should be outlawed)?

I have heard bad things about the FIOS DVR, so can someone tell me exactly what unit is Verizon giving out here and what are folks impressions of it... and it would be useful to know what other DVRs you might have previously used.

Hmmm, if you do NOT choose that option, does it revert to not stretching SD content (distorting the picture I think should be outlawed)?

I have heard bad things about the FIOS DVR, so can someone tell me exactly what unit is Verizon giving out here and what are folks impressions of it... and it would be useful to know what other DVRs you might have previously used.

There are four STB options. Multi-room, HD DVR, HD and SD.
Illustrated at http://www22.verizon.com/Residential/FiOSTV/Equipment_Overview/Equipment_Overview.htm.

FIOS rolled out the latest firmware upgrade, 6.0.2 to VHO5 last Wednesday. It has speeded up remote / box responsiveness. Cleared up some minor SD issues for some people. Running a 720p 50" Sammy DLP, SD looks great. When you see references to VHO, that's the headend. We are located in VHO5, Queens.

The guide needs to be improved. It's cluttered.

If you don't choose SD override, SD channels are pillared. Successive pressing of the "aspect" button on the remote brings you to 480 and old fashioned stretch. There is no "zoom" choice like on the SciAtl 5300HD, my last T-W STB. If you set aspect from the remote, it reverts to pillared when you change from one SD channel to another.

I'm finding the 480i and 480p choices interesting. When I first found the aspect button I noted that the setting I later learned to be 480i or 480p gave me an aspect unavailable on the SciAtl. There may be a very small amount of stretch but t's barely noticeable to me. Locking in the setting with SD Override is a nice plus.

The Verizon FIOS forums at Broadband Reports are very active both on the hardware and entertainment sides. Any question I have had has already been asked and answered.

I haven't encountered anyone locally who, having switched from T-W to FIOS would go back.

The STB issues are mostly just annoying. The ongoing hardware issues are with the wireless section of the Actiontec combo box which doubles as cable box/router. Verizon has rolled out a new Westell box in the Pacific Northwest with no significant problems I have read about.

Ah, thanks for the info hsimms.

I have found that aspect controls live in 2 places, one on the STB, the other on the TV itself. What channel one it is tuned to determines which control one needs to use. Generally speaking, if it's a HD channel that is showing a program with black bars all 4 sides (a truly WTF kind of thing because it's totally unnecessary) the STB will zoom it just fine. However, if it's a SD channel with the same kind of content (which happens a lot), the STB will zoom, but only "into" a 4:3 frame. In these cases, I use the TV's zoom and that works fine.

A lot of letterboxed 16:9 content delivered via SD channels is much less now that we finally got a lot of those same SD channels in HD (mostly SciFi, FX, USA, all of which we just got last December).

My DVR interest is very much the standard HD DVR, don't want or need multi-room. From the link you provided, I see it clearly comes with a 160G HDD. Two questions:

1. has anyone swapped out the internal drive for a much larger one?
2. is there any mechanism for adding an external HDD and if so, what kind of interface (USB, eSATA etc.)?

Every Sunday night, the picture breaks up for me on 504 (NBC-HD). The Celebrity Apprentice is unwatchable (in all ways ;) ). Anyone have a similar issue? I'm using a TiVo HD w/ cable cards.

Since Apprentice isn't in HD, you're probably better off watching it on the SD channel.

News broke earlier this week that YES had signed a carriage agreement with the YES Network (SD & HD) to put it's programming on FIOS. BUT it also said that does NOT cover Yankee or Nets games (which are really the major point to the network).

So, what is the story here for FIOS? I would have thought there'd be some local agreement to carry Yankee GAMES???

FiOS has the Yankees games on the Long Island. I know because I'm watching it now.

News broke earlier this week that YES had signed a carriage agreement with the YES Network (SD & HD) to put it's programming on FIOS. BUT it also said that does NOT cover Yankee or Nets games (which are really the major point to the network).

So, what is the story here for FIOS? I would have thought there'd be some local agreement to carry Yankee GAMES???

The agreement involves Fios systems outside of the Tri-state area and around the country. Those systems won't be allowed to carry the games. Inside the tri-state, everything's normal.

The agreement involves Fios systems outside of the Tri-state area and around the country. Those systems won't be allowed to carry the games. Inside the tri-state, everything's normal.

Ah, good to know, thanks.

who knows when fios will be available in my neck of the woods (11205), but was wondering.

my co-op has a deal with twc, where we get a break on the bill. would this prohibit me from getting fios?

if not, what exactly does verizon have to do in the building? where is the box that does the fiber to coax go? can they reuse the coax currently being used by time warner? the cable is also used by members who dont use "cable", but are using an ota on the roof.

My understanding is that first Verizon needs permission to run their fiber cabling, usually through the hallways. The "change" from fiber to copper should occur inside your apartment... the whole point of almost limitless bandwidth is fiber into the home.

My understanding is that first Verizon needs permission to run their fiber cabling, usually through the hallways. The "change" from fiber to copper should occur inside your apartment... the whole point of almost limitless bandwidth is fiber into the home.

would they need one fiber run for each apartment?

my co-op board is so anal retentive, which isnt a bad thing, im not sure they would allow this. especially with the deal in place with TWC.

would they need one fiber run for each apartment?

my co-op board is so anal retentive, which isnt a bad thing, im not sure they would allow this. especially with the deal in place with TWC.

Not totally sure about local distribution points for fiber... my guess is it all depends on the building layout, number of units per floor.

I'm actually an officer of my co-op board so I am "managing" the situation closely. We are very small, so TWC won't even talk about any bulk deals anyway. We DO have a lot of interest in FIOS, so I doubt I'd have much trouble.

I should know a LOT more in the next 2-3 months, we have "suggested" to them we'd be happy to "host" a block distribution point (we are half way between WEA and RSD and can cover the whole block north/south). For now, the contact is through our managing agent, but I have told him I need to get into that loop.

I've had YES and YES-HD in Lower Manhattan since my FIOS git-go in December. Not that I have much use for it.

would they need one fiber run for each apartment?

my co-op board is so anal retentive, which isnt a bad thing, im not sure they would allow this. especially with the deal in place with TWC.

In my apt. they snipped T-W's co-ax in the apt and connected it to their ONT in my front closet. Fiber into the apt. FIOS and T-W share space in the hallway upper molding. Fiber optic for FIOS and co-ax for T-W. FIOS has a hub in the compactor room. The fiber runs from there to the ONT in my apt. T-W has a box in the stair well.

In my apt. they snipped T-W's co-ax in the apt and connected it to their ONT in my front closet. Fiber into the apt. FIOS and T-W share space in the hallway upper molding. Fiber optic for FIOS and co-ax for T-W. FIOS has a hub in the compactor room. The fiber runs from there to the ONT in my apt. T-W has a box in the stair well.

That is exactly how I'd suspect they'd deploy.

Here's a pisser, about 10 years or so ago, my co-op decided it didn't like all the cabling running through the hallways. So we did a project that created a multi-wire bundle behind the walls into each apartment. I think it was something like 2 separate co-ax runs and 3 or 4 standard telco pairs. We thought that would be more than sufficient for the future... I don't know if they considered dark fiber, but at the time, I doubt anyone would foresee somebody making the kind of investment in infrastructure to run fiber into the home!

In my apt. they snipped T-W's co-ax in the apt and connected it to their ONT in my front closet. Fiber into the apt. FIOS and T-W share space in the hallway upper molding. Fiber optic for FIOS and co-ax for T-W. FIOS has a hub in the compactor room. The fiber runs from there to the ONT in my apt. T-W has a box in the stair well.

with a setup like that, i doubt they would need a "powered" splitter.

out coax cables are in the hallways, but covered up. it looks like molding. but who knows if there is room for fiber?

i think the coop will be the roadblock on me getting fios. i hope not.

it would help is i knew if verizon was in my neighborhood. (11205)

with a setup like that, i doubt they would need a "powered" splitter.

out coax cables are in the hallways, but covered up. it looks like molding. but who knows if there is room for fiber?

i think the coop will be the roadblock on me getting fios. i hope not.

it would help is i knew if verizon was in my neighborhood. (11205)

March-April 2008, 3-4 months before FIOS was available here, the landlord put in new molding on each of 38 floors in each of 3 buildings

I'm in Long Beach and FiOS is available here now. I'm interested, but getting conflicting responses about hooking copper back up to the (rental) house if I move and the landlord wants it or it's a catastrophe and I want to switch back to Cablevision (99.9% the former; the latter is just in case). Call to Verizon said you can never hook copper back up, call from Verizon said you can but there's a fee, and the local photo/electronics store reselling for them said you can with no charge. Anyone know where the truth is?

i think the coop will be the roadblock on me getting fios. i hope not.

I'd suggest you try and make a point of going to the annual shareholders meeting. Prior to that, try and drum up support from other shareholders.

While I am on my board, I also brought up the concept at last years meeting... and was very pleasantly surprised to see a LOT of shareholders very much anxious to try out FIOS.

I'm curious about transmission lines. I know TWC is fiber to a street corner about 1/4-1/3 of a block from my building... obviously copper from that point. There could be a number of schemes Verizon may use inside my building. We previously buried a bunch of copper (2 RG-5 coaxes, 4 twisted pairs) into each unit.

How much would be "lost" in going copper runs inside the building? The longest run would be 10 stories. i.e. how much drop-off do you get with each 10 feet for copper?

Don't get me wrong, I very much DO want fiber into my unit... and I also know I'll need something like a 50' run to get all the way into my bedroom.

I would get the owner's written authorization before having the work done. Having the ONT installed is making an improvement to the building.

I would get the owner's written authorization before having the work done. Having the ONT installed is making an improvement to the building.

Equipment inside a co-op unit is rarely an issue, it's the cabling that has to be run from the basement TO each unit.

As for "owner's written authorization" that implies one is subleasing. Pretty much all co-ops have policies about that, most only permiut it for very limited amounts of time.

Equipment inside a co-op unit is rarely an issue, it's the cabling that has to be run from the basement TO each unit.

As for "owner's written authorization" that implies one is subleasing. Pretty much all co-ops have policies about that, most only permiut it for very limited amounts of time.

That was a reply to Bix

http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q209-exclusive-upcoming-verizon-fios-tv-features/

I would get the owner's written authorization before having the work done. Having the ONT installed is making an improvement to the building.
I know that; but if they want the option to hook the copper back up, then what happens from there?

I know that; but if they want the option to hook the copper back up, then what happens from there?

In some cases they hook the internal wire to the ONT, so for phone, the house jacks remain usable. In my case, for some reason, they got me dial tone and ring but not caller ID with the internal copper. Solved with a straight line (copper) from the ONT to the kitchen, bypassing my 39 floor, 35 year old building's copper. Plugged in a Panny DECT 6.0 wireless base capable of 5 remote units. Works great. No interference with Wifi. If you ever went to Vonage you would use a similar setup because the Vonage box gives you just one physical connection.

If you are referring to external copper, from the street pole to the ONT, that will be gone. All future Verizon phone service will be digital from the ONT.

I meant external copper. What's the ETA for everything being fiber optic for voice?

My main worry is the landlord not understanding how it works (he's stubborn and has an odd grasp of English) and not allowing us to get it. I figure that the option of re-attaching the external copper would make such a conversation easier (or should we just be vague...).

Why do I get so many different answers from Verizon?

I meant external copper. What's the ETA for everything being fiber optic for voice?

My main worry is the landlord not understanding how it works (he's stubborn and has an odd grasp of English) and not allowing us to get it. I figure that the option of re-attaching the external copper would make such a conversation easier (or should we just be vague...).

Why do I get so many different answers from Verizon?

Explain to the LL that the line will get a free battery backup. Added value to future rentals. Tell him it's inevitable. I haven't missed the copper wire at all. Digital sound quality is superb.

As to when we're all fiber optic, this is a long term project. I just don't see that a house with external copper is more easily rentable than a fiber connected house.

http://newscenter.verizon.com/press-releases/verizon/2009/verizon-asks-fcc-to-prevent.html

FIOS takes Cablevision to the mat at FCC.

MSNBC-HD arrives (for us, maybe) late June.

Now, where is that local news channel to make us forget about NY1 ?

http://newscenter.verizon.com/press-releases/verizon/2009/verizon-asks-fcc-to-prevent.html

FIOS takes Cablevision to the mat at FCC.

MSNBC-HD arrives (for us, maybe) late June.

Now, where is that local news channel to make us forget about NY1 ?

I'm one of those "not rabid" sports fans... so my only concern is any local team's (Mets, Yanks, Rangers, Islanders, Devils, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Nets) games in HD... any limitations there on FIOS in NYC?

I find the NY1 thing just plain dumb... typical stupid TWC to actually restrict the audience for a channel that is ad supported.

Right now, I want to hear about BBC-A HD launching 7/20 and what systems will be carrying it.

I'm one of those "not rabid" sports fans... so my only concern is any local team's (Mets, Yanks, Rangers, Islanders, Devils, Giants, Jets, Knicks, Nets) games in HD... any limitations there on FIOS in NYC?

I find the NY1 thing just plain dumb... typical stupid TWC to actually restrict the audience for a channel that is ad supported.

Right now, I want to hear about BBC-A HD launching 7/20 and what systems will be carrying it.
SNY-HD is on 577, SD on 77. YES-HD is on 576, SD on 76.

MSG, as stated is all SD - MSG - 78, MSG2 - 79, MSGPlus - 80, MSGPlus2 - 81. Enough MSG to handle hockey, basketball schedule conflicts.

Conveniently adjacent

SNY-HD is on 577, SD on 77. YES-HD is on 576, SD on 76.

MSG, as stated is all SD - MSG - 78, MSG2 - 79, MSGPlus - 80, MSGPlus2 - 81. Enough MSG to handle hockey, basketball schedule conflicts.

Conveniently adjacent

Ah, TWC does have 2 MSGs in HD, so that is a downgrade. They DO seem to have an occasional concert as well as the sports stuff...

Hi All,

I'm looking to move soon and was wondering if there existed a list of fios ready apartments/buildings in the east village/les area. I'm been searching for a bit but haven't been able to turn up anything.

thanks!

cheers,
JW

http://newscenter.verizon.com/press-releases/verizon/2009/verizon-asks-fcc-to-prevent.html

FIOS takes Cablevision to the mat at FCC.

MSNBC-HD arrives (for us, maybe) late June.

Now, where is that local news channel to make us forget about NY1 ?

Answered perhaps?

http://www.multichannel.com/blog/BIT_RATE/15495-Verizon_Expected_to_Launch_FiOS1_NY_Next_Week.php

Allegedly FiOS1 is alive in Long Island & parts of NJ today...

FIOS1 is on in Northern New Jersey.Channel 1 and 501

FIOS1 not yet available in Manhattan

For 5 additional bucks, advertised speed is 25-15.

Better yet, I'm getting 25.8 - 23.8.

Doesn't break your bundle!

Hmmm, the piece I read said 25/15 is the standard in NYC, but is an upgrade (extra charge) elsewhere.

Hmmm, the piece I read said 25/15 is the standard in NYC, but is an upgrade (extra charge) elsewhere.

AFAIK, new standard is :

10/2 -> 15/5 (all service areas)
20/5 -> 25/15 (all service areas)
20/20 -> upgraded to 35/20 in NYC only
50/20 -> No change

Upgrade from 10/5 to 15/5 - no charge
Upgrade from 10/5 to 25/15 - $5 per month more. No extra charge if you were 20/5.

As I previously wrote, I'm practically synced at 25/25. Awesome.

When are these speeds supposed to kick in?
I'm still at 20/20.

When are these speeds supposed to kick in?
I'm still at 20/20.

You have to call for an upgrade. They don't automatically switch you over.

Ah, so 15/5 is the basic default and each bump adds an extra monthly fee, the first of which is 25/15. Sweet.

When are these speeds supposed to kick in?
I'm still at 20/20.

I called.

AFAIK, new standard is :

10/2 -> 15/5 (all service areas)
20/5 -> 25/15 (all service areas)
20/20 -> upgraded to 35/20 in NYC only
50/20 -> No change

Upgrade from 10/5 to 15/5 - no charge
Upgrade from 10/5 to 25/15 - $5 per month more. No extra charge if you were 20/5.

As I previously wrote, I'm practically synced at 25/25. Awesome.

Something is fishy... apparently they are telling you one thing, but having in writing press releases that say something else. I found the quote, here it is

"Verizon is doubling-to-quadrupling the upstream connection speeds and increasing the downstream connection speeds of its most popular FiOS Internet offerings. The company has raised the connection speed of its entry-level FiOS Internet service from 10/2 megabits per second (Mbps) to 15/5 Mbps, and has raised the connection speed of its flagship, mid-tier offering from 20/5 Mbps to 25/15 Mbps. In New York City, on Long Island and in other New York City suburbs, FiOS Internet is even faster with a new entry-level connection speed of 25/15 Mbps, and a new mid-tier offering of 35/20 Mbps, available only in bundles. "

Ah, now I get it... taking a page from TWC, they give new subs a batter deal than existing customers!

Price of Triple Play is up.

http://www22.verizon.com/Residential/bundles/FiosBundlesab.htm

I was paying $95 + $10 for the DVR box. Now that's up by $5 with 25/15. Not clear whether the linked rates includes a box.


Something is fishy... apparently they are telling you one thing, but having in writing press releases that say something else. I found the quote, here it is

"Verizon is doubling-to-quadrupling the upstream connection speeds and increasing the downstream connection speeds of its most popular FiOS Internet offerings. The company has raised the connection speed of its entry-level FiOS Internet service from 10/2 megabits per second (Mbps) to 15/5 Mbps, and has raised the connection speed of its flagship, mid-tier offering from 20/5 Mbps to 25/15 Mbps. In New York City, on Long Island and in other New York City suburbs, FiOS Internet is even faster with a new entry-level connection speed of 25/15 Mbps, and a new mid-tier offering of 35/20 Mbps, available only in bundles. "

Ah, now I get it... taking a page from TWC, they give new subs a batter deal than existing customers!

Check that. These are the local offerings. $5. more than I was paying before 25/15. I needed to plug in my Verizon landline number for the NYC rates.

https://www22.verizon.com/ForYourHome/GoFlow/MyVerizon/SELECTSERVICESBUNDLE.ASPX


Price of Triple Play is up.

http://www22.verizon.com/Residential/bundles/FiosBundlesab.htm

I was paying $95 + $10 for the DVR box. Now that's up by $5 with 25/15. Not clear whether the linked rates includes a box.

Check that. These are the local offerings. $5. more than I was paying before 25/15. I needed to plug in my Verizon landline number for the NYC rates.

https://www22.verizon.com/ForYourHome/GoFlow/MyVerizon/SELECTSERVICESBUNDLE.ASPX

Ha... a month or three back I tried to see what rates FIOS would charge, but I was totally frustrated because they wouldn't give any rates unless one was already IN an area it was available (i.e. exact address). Your first link gives some bundle prices, which is great. HOWEVER, when I keep hitting "learn more" I get odd things... like it clearly says the best TV package has 55 HD channels. They SAY premiums are included in the 130/mo triple, but it only says Showtime is included.

Ha... a month or three back I tried to see what rates FIOS would charge, but I was totally frustrated because they wouldn't give any rates unless one was already IN an area it was available (i.e. exact address). Your first link gives some bundle prices, which is great. HOWEVER, when I keep hitting "learn more" I get odd things... like it clearly says the best TV package has 55 HD channels. They SAY premiums are included in the 130/mo triple, but it only says Showtime is included.The full movie package is shown on the $135. tier - all you can eat east/west coast feeds, on demand - goes up to $35 a month from $30. They're throwing in Showtime on the middle tier you cite.

They gave me HBO-Cine for three months w/o charge when I bumped up to 25/15.

What is new is adding the full movie package to the top tier. You break the bundle if you cancel the package. I had the full movie package as an add-on for a few months and canceled without breaking the bundle.

The full movie package is shown on the $135. tier - all you can eat east/west coast feeds, on demand - goes up to $35 a month from $30. They're throwing in Showtime on the middle tier you cite.

They gave me HBO-Cine for three months w/o charge when I bumped up to 25/15.

Uh, on the page you posted, the 130 tier is the top tier. And that bundle also clearly states it has a total of 55 HD channels.

I even checked the channel lineups... the "Extreme HD" (which is the TV package with the top triple play) doesn't list any premium channels, SD or HD.

My point is that they have nothing in writing or posted that apparently shows the truth about what they do or don't carry. This is no way to get customers to switch from TWC, which actually is very clear about what channels you get for what price you pay.

It's best to call for pricing.

Right now by phone they're offering $89.99 Triple Freedom for the first year if you have a Verizon Wireless account, in addition to a year for free HBO w/ Triple Freedom.

I called for pricing and assurance my bundle would not break. Best way to go.

Ha... a month or three back I tried to see what rates FIOS would charge, but I was totally frustrated because they wouldn't give any rates unless one was already IN an area it was available (i.e. exact address). Your first link gives some bundle prices, which is great. HOWEVER, when I keep hitting "learn more" I get odd things... like it clearly says the best TV package has 55 HD channels. They SAY premiums are included in the 130/mo triple, but it only says Showtime is included.

I went back to look. All 3 plans carry "Extreme HD" which, further on, is described thus - "With FiOS TV Extreme, you’ll get 320+ all digital channels and up to 114 HD channels and up to 23 Sports channels."

I went back to look. All 3 plans carry "Extreme HD" which, further on, is described thus - "With FiOS TV Extreme, you’ll get 320+ all digital channels and up to 114 HD channels and up to 23 Sports channels."

Well, from the link you supplied, I simply hit "learn more" and got a screen describing all three services... with the following:

"FiOSTV Extreme HD
Tomorrow’s Technology. Here Today For Total Entertainment.
FiOS is the network built for HD. Verizon FiOS brings the nation’s largest fiber optic network straight to your home, delivering an amazingly lifelike picture and pure HD quality and sound. Get up to 348 digital channels and up to 55 HD channels (53 more digital channels and 41 more HD channels than FiOS TV Essentials), PLUS dozens of FiOS Premium Movie Channels."

Yes, I think they do carry over 100, the issue is that it's almost impossible to make ANY decisions based on what they are posting... not to mention one can only go so far if one isn't already wired. I've spent a ton of time trying to find out.... every single time I get the "input your address" thing and am always led to them using DTV as part of the bundles.

For all the money they are spending, their marketing is 100% piss-poor. They do NOT need to spend more money on marketing, they simply have to tell it straight and 100% true.

Well, from the link you supplied, I simply hit "learn more" and got a screen describing all three services... with the following:

"FiOSTV Extreme HD
Tomorrow’s Technology. Here Today For Total Entertainment.
FiOS is the network built for HD. Verizon FiOS brings the nation’s largest fiber optic network straight to your home, delivering an amazingly lifelike picture and pure HD quality and sound. Get up to 348 digital channels and up to 55 HD channels (53 more digital channels and 41 more HD channels than FiOS TV Essentials), PLUS dozens of FiOS Premium Movie Channels."

Yes, I think they do carry over 100, the issue is that it's almost impossible to make ANY decisions based on what they are posting... not to mention one can only go so far if one isn't already wired. I've spent a ton of time trying to find out.... every single time I get the "input your address" thing and am always led to them using DTV as part of the bundles.

For all the money they are spending, their marketing is 100% piss-poor. They do NOT need to spend more money on marketing, they simply have to tell it straight and 100% true.

FIOS is much more centralized than TW. Yet they have varying regional plans. The 55 HD tier is not even available in NYC. Much of what I know I've gotten from a couple FIOS forums at http://www.dslreports.com/forums/54. I get a decent sense about how various regions are differently dealt with.

AFAIK, new standard is :

10/2 -> 15/5 (all service areas)
20/5 -> 25/15 (all service areas)
20/20 -> upgraded to 35/20 in NYC only
50/20 -> No change

Upgrade from 10/5 to 15/5 - no charge
Upgrade from 10/5 to 25/15 - $5 per month more. No extra charge if you were 20/5.

As I previously wrote, I'm practically synced at 25/25. Awesome.

so has anyone called and got them to honor the upgrade from 20/20 to 35/20?

Can anyone tell me what number you called and what you exactly said too?

Thanks!

Verizon Takes Cablevision HD Dispute to FCC
Kerry Grace Benn
Wed Jul 8, 12:00 AM ET
The Wall Street Journal Online

Verizon Communications Inc. said in a complaint that the Federal Communications Commission should compel Cablevision Systems Corp. and its Madison Square Garden network to provide it with high-definition sports programming. In the complaint, filed with the FCC Tuesday, Verizon said Cablevision 'continually has denied Verizon access to the high-definition versions of its regional sports programming on any terms.'

Cablevision, it said, has refused to sell the HD rights to local coverage of the New York Knicks, New York Rangers, New York Islanders, New Jersey Devils and Buffalo Sabres games.

The two companies are frequent rivals and the fight over sports programming has been going on for years. In 2006, Verizon claimed Cablevision had refused to negotiate for programming rights to many of its networks, including MSG.

Verizon said in its complaint that Cablevision has denied customers of competing cable service access to local HD sports programming, but "has bragged to analysts and the public about its anticompetitive efforts, trumpeting that Cablevision is the only HD source for four of the nine professional sports teams in the New York City area."

A Cablevision spokesman could not immediately be reached for comment.

Verizon has asked that the FCC rule on the complaint within five months.

Verizon Takes Cablevision HD Dispute to FCC
Kerry Grace Benn
Wed Jul 8, 12:00 AM ET
The Wall Street Journal Online

Cablevision, it said, has refused to sell the HD rights to local coverage of the New York Knicks, New York Rangers, New York Islanders, New Jersey Devils and Buffalo Sabres games.

Rats... I had read FiOS did carry the 2 MSG channels, but apparently not in HD. This is a fairly big disincentive to go with FiOS... let's see what the FCC does here.

Apparently, this is the Cable take on it...
http://www.ncta.com/PublicationType/TalkingPoint/2937.aspx

The Existing Program Access Rules Are Working as Intended
Publication Type: Talking Points
Date: 1/31/2009

THE EXISTING PROGRAM ACCESS RULES HAVE WORKED AS INTENDED



The exclusion of terrestrial program services from the program access provision of the 1992 Cable Act is not a “loophole” in need of closing. Rather, it is a well-considered expression of Congress’s desire to limit the extent to which program access regulation interferes with the pro-competitive exercise of contractual rights.

Exclusivity is a cornerstone of contract law .

The government of the United States ordinarily does not tell those who create and distribute products with whom they should enter contracts or what the terms and conditions of those contracts should be – including exclusivity. This general policy holds true for television programming as well. Indeed, most television programs – and, in particular, most sports programs – are licensed to broadcasters and cable networks on an exclusive basis.

Temporary program access requirements.

As part of the Cable Act of 1992 – which was intended to spur competition in the multichannel video marketplace – Congress enacted temporary program access requirements that represented a limited departure from this general policy of favoring the pro-competitive exercise of contractual rights. These program access rules were designed to ensure that cable could not hamper the growth of its competitors by denying them satellite-delivered program networks in which cable companies had an ownership interest (“vertically integrated” program services). The exclusivity rules were never intended to be permanent and are currently scheduled to sunset in 2012.


The terrestrial exemption.

In passing program access laws, Congress carved out a narrow and temporary exception to the normal workings of the marketplace in which programmers and distributors determine how content will be distributed. Congress struck a deliberate balance: it sought to ensure that cable’s then-fledgling competitors could not be denied sufficient access to popular satellite-delivered programming in which cable companies had an ownership interest while preserving the pro-competitive benefits of exclusivity in order to foster new program networks – especially local and regional program networks which are often delivered most economically by terrestrial means. Congress consciously and correctly exempted terrestrially-delivered cable program networks from the 1992 program access laws.

Competition is thriving .

Today, it is clear that Congress’s decision to exempt terrestrially-delivered networks has not impeded competition, and indeed competition in the multichannel video marketplace is thriving. Over the past 12 years, cable’s share of multichannel video subscriptions has dropped from 90 percent to 65 percent, and 35.7 million subscribers (more than one in three) receive their multichannel video programming from non-cable providers. The cable industry’s two largest competitors – DIRECTV and EchoStar – are the second and third largest multichannel video providers in the United States, and the nation’s largest telephone companies are deploying video services (Verizon’s FiOS TV service is now the nation’s 9th largest multichannel video service provider). In addition, the percentage of program services in which cable companies have a financial interest has declined sharply, from 44 percent in 1996 to 15 percent in 2006.

There is no evidence of any problems with the current program access rules or with the multichannel video marketplace. The goal that Congress envisioned in 1992 – a highly competitive multichannel video marketplace – has been reached.

A decision to distribute a program network by satellite or by terrestrial means is based on efficiencies, not on the program access rules. Satellite distribution is, because of its national footprint, the more economical means of distributing national program networks. Terrestrial distribution may be more efficient for local and regional services, for which the nationwide “footprint” offered by satellite is unnecessary.

Since 1992, the FCC has received only a handful of complaints alleging that cable networks are using terrestrial delivery to “evade” the program access rules. In every instance, including Comcast’s SportsNet in Philadelphia and Cablevision’s MetroChannels in New York City, the FCC found that the use of terrestrial delivery was justified by legitimate business rationales and by the circumstances of local markets, and was not related to “evading” the program access rules.

Exclusivity as a general rule is a pro-competitive tool that benefits consumers. It provides incentives for competing multichannel providers to develop unique video services that let them distinguish themselves from one another in the marketplace. Indeed, cable’s competitors have themselves used exclusivity to differentiate their service offerings from those available from cable. For example, DIRECTV has exclusive distribution rights to the NFL “Sunday Ticket” package – it is not available to cable, Dish Network, Verizon, or AT&T customers. Similarly, broadcasters are permitted to force cable operators to black out network and syndicated programming in order to protect the broadcasters’ exclusive territorial rights.

Program networks, including local and regional services, are high-risk ventures – some of which have failed in recent years. Offering distributors the opportunity to be the exclusive source of such programming can be essential to attracting investment, promotion, and carriage.

Congress deliberately and appropriately kept terrestrially-delivered programming free from any program access requirements . The legislative history of the 1992 Cable Act provides clear evidence that Congress intentionally sought to limit the program access rules to vertically-integrated, satellite-delivered services in order to avoid limiting investment in local and regional programming.

At the time of the 1992 Act, over a dozen local and regional program services were delivered by terrestrial means, including system-specific local origination channels and regional networks, such as Time Warner’s NY1 News, which launched in September 1992, just prior to the passage of the 1992 Act.

The Senate version of program access legislation referred to national and regional programming without any mention of the means of delivery. By contrast, the final bill adopted the House-passed program access language, which was limited to "satellite cable programming.”

Less than two years after the 1992 Cable Act became law, an amendment that would have imposed program access obligations on "video programming delivered by any means" was floated and then withdrawn. Rep. Tauzin (R-LA), the principal author of the 1992 Act’s program access provisions, commented at the time that the proposed amendment raised issues that needed additional scrutiny, particularly the issue of whether applying program access rules to terrestrially-distributed cable programming would discourage the production of local and regional programming.

Apparently, this is the Cable take on it...
http://www.ncta.com/PublicationType/TalkingPoint/2937.aspx

The Existing Program Access Rules Are Working as Intended
Publication Type: Talking Points
Date: 1/31/2009

THE EXISTING PROGRAM ACCESS RULES HAVE WORKED AS INTENDED

Very self serving piece... and mostly BS. An awful lot of areas simply don't have ANY competition. In my rather large market, for the majority it's TWC or no TV services AT ALL. At this point, I can't get OTA (too many tall buildings blocking access) I can't get satellite (building rules about erecting dishes). So it's TWC or I can ditch my home theater and big HD TV (well, I could use it to ONLY watch DVDs).

Yes, at some point before 2018 I should have access to FiOS... that's what the franchise agreement is. Of course, that does NOT mean they can't ask for an extension (nor does it mean that I may get it by the end of this year... nobody is giving out any actual information... but given the economy, Verizon may very well slow everything down to a crawl, remember this is a BIG capital drain on them).

TWC had had a legal total monopoly on me for 2-3 decades... so I think this exclusionary practice bloody well should be illegal!

so has anyone called and got them to honor the upgrade from 20/20 to 35/20?

Can anyone tell me what number you called and what you exactly said too?

Thanks!

Called and spoke w/ someone at verizon who said that to upgrade from 20/20 to 35/20, I would need to enter into a new contract (could be a 6 month or 1 year), and also have to pay an increased monthly fee for the triple play package of $109.99 a month. My old fee was $99.99 for the triple play with 20/20 internet.

Was that what others have experienced?

You have to call for an upgrade. They don't automatically switch you over.

Did you call and ask for an upgrade? Did you get that achieved w/o a new contract or fee increase?

Ok I got a question, The streets around my home here in Manhattan were painted last week with orange and red spray. All the sidewalks and phone booths are maked with orange paint around it. Does that means that A FIOS Deployment is coming?

Ok I got a question, The streets around my home here in Manhattan were painted last week with orange and red spray. All the sidewalks and phone booths are maked with orange paint around it. Does that means that A FIOS Deployment is coming?

Location?

Location?

Morningside Heights 123th-125th.

Morningside Heights 123th-125th.

Ah, interesting, I'm just about a mile south. I had heard we were getting it in August, but I have not seen a thing. My guess is they would lay the trunk fiber under WEA, mostly because I know Verizon (cooper) and TWC (fiber) both run cabling there to serve my nabe. I figure there would have to be trucks stationed for sever days at each manhole... but I've seen NO activity such as that along any of that route.

UNLESS they are routing it south from your location... I DO know that Verizon has a major hub right by Columbia... so running south from you makes a lot of sense.

Let us know if you see their trucks set up...

Ah, interesting, I'm just about a mile south. I had heard we were getting it in August, but I have not seen a thing. My guess is they would lay the trunk fiber under WEA, mostly because I know Verizon (cooper) and TWC (fiber) both run cabling there to serve my nabe. I figure there would have to be trucks stationed for sever days at each manhole... but I've seen NO activity such as that along any of that route.

UNLESS they are routing it south from your location... I DO know that Verizon has a major hub right by Columbia... so running south from you makes a lot of sense.

Let us know if you see their trucks set up...

I've been checking online if there are street permits regarding Verizon, but I haven't seen any yet. 3 months ago I sent an e-mail to one of the big shots at Verizon regarding FIOS explaining him that most people around here are interested in FIOS, he then sent me an e-mail tellin me that he was going to do the vetting process with the engineers. Now most of the Manholes are maked with orange paint, and the phone booths the same way.

The way that I see it is that they will lay the fiber from west 125th and Amsterdam ave all the way south.

Does anyone know if this means that I can keep copper phone w/ FiOS TV/internet or if it just means that I can get copper phone back if I drop FiOS?: http://policyblog.verizon.com/PolicyBlog/Blogs/policyblog/EricRabe9/323/AP-Gets-It-Wrong-Part-II.aspx

It's written a little vaguely.

The way that I see it is that they will lay the fiber from west 125th and Amsterdam ave all the way south.

Hmmm, good question, will they go along Amsterdam or WEA? I always figured WEA because I know there is a north/south underground trunk that TWC uses.

Hmmm, good question, will they go along Amsterdam or WEA? I always figured WEA because I know there is a north/south underground trunk that TWC uses.

All the marks are in Amsterdam ave, La Salle Street and broadway, west 123th and west 125th, so I think they will go that way. Everything is basically Verizon, but the question remains when they will start. I don't see any permits yet.

I am meeting with Fios rep next week to discuss bringing Fios into my condo building at 66th Street/Columbus. Are those current Fios users still very pleased with the picture quality? Are the HD dvrs still an issue?

Thanks!
Lisa

I am meeting with Fios rep next week to discuss bringing Fios into my condo building at 66th Street/Columbus. Are those current Fios users still very pleased with the picture quality? Are the HD dvrs still an issue?

Thanks!
Lisa

PQ contunues to be excellent. The DVR continues to be the weak link. Channel changing is slow. Navigation is tedious and not intuitive.

Can you avoid the dvr issues by using a dual tuner TiVo?

Can you avoid the dvr issues by using a dual tuner TiVo?

Absolutely. I have two HD TiVo units with 2 Cable Cards each on my FIOS system. It'll cost you a bit more overall, but the TiVo DVR is sooooo much better that the Verizon box. You'll lose VOD and PPV, but personally I never use those anyway.

John Mc, thanks very much for the info. I am chasing Fios primarily to give my unit owners a choice of television providers - and to break the hold that TWC has on us both price and qualitywise. If the Fios dvr sucks, I would definitely get an HD TiVo since I don't use VOD or PPV at all.

Much appreciated.

Absolutely. I have two HD TiVo units with 2 Cable Cards each on my FIOS system. It'll cost you a bit more overall, but the TiVo DVR is sooooo much better that the Verizon box. You'll lose VOD and PPV, but personally I never use those anyway.

Is that because of the need for a "tuning adapter?"

Is that because of the need for a "tuning adapter?"
FiOS doesn't use SDV, so it does not need Tuning Adapters. However, FiOS delivers VoD using IP-based video which TiVo doesn't support (and TiVo can't perform the upstream communication to request which PPVs or VoDs to play.)

For PPV however, you can simply call in to order or order online, and TiVo will be able to record it.

FiOS doesn't use SDV, so it does not need Tuning Adapters. However, FiOS delivers VoD using IP-based video which TiVo doesn't support (and TiVo can't perform the upstream communication to request which PPVs or VoDs to play.)

For PPV however, you can simply call in to order or order online, and TiVo will be able to record it.

Ah, good info. Looks like there will be several "holes" when switching from TWC to FiOS!

I'm aware that all OTA channels are relayed as-is over FiOS without recompression. Does the same apply to the other channels and VOD programming? Even with SD channels on an SDTV, Cablevision is hideously pixelated at times.

Thanks.

I'm aware that all OTA channels are relayed as-is over FiOS without recompression. Does the same apply to the other channels and VOD programming? Even with SD channels on an SDTV, Cablevision is hideously pixelated at times.

Thanks.

All the OTA and cable channels don't get compressed by Verizon. Only HBO which broadcast on MPEG-4 is recompressed to MPEG-2 by verizon. Standard channels look really good on FIOS and the HD ones even better.

All the OTA and cable channels don't get compressed by Verizon. Only HBO which broadcast on MPEG-4 is recompressed to MPEG-2 by verizon. Standard channels look really good on FIOS and the HD ones even better.
Thanks! Does the same go for VOD?

Thanks! Does the same go for VOD?

Yes, VOD pic is excellent on FIOS too. FIOS blow away TIMe warner and cablevision. Time warner squeeze 3 HD channels on one QAm thus affecting the picture quality big time. Sometimes you see pixalation, most of the time artificial blur, ect. Cablevision is even worse they squeeze 4 HD channels on one QAM except the sports channels that get the treatment of 2/1.

Got some interesting news last night... my managing agent talked w/Verizon. They plan to start a marketing pitch by the end of August for the area roughly 96th to 125th on the west side. Unless they get real busy in the next few weeks, this may happen before the "trunk" fiber get run down the avenues.

Also interesting is the "block" strategy. It seems that they MIGHT do block runs by how many folks sign up. So a block with 50 sign-ups may get strung way, way before a block with only one.

The timing has been pretty consistent for the past year or so... in the past 3-4 months it went from August to end of August. Prior to that it was late summer and farther back it was third quarter, so I see some consistency here.

Yes, VOD pic is excellent on FIOS too. FIOS blow away TIMe warner and cablevision. Time warner squeeze 3 HD channels on one QAm thus affecting the picture quality big time. Sometimes you see pixalation, most of the time artificial blur, ect. Cablevision is even worse they squeeze 4 HD channels on one QAM except the sports channels that get the treatment of 2/1.

Indeed. My main motivator in switching from T-W to FIOS last December was pixellation, etc. Already noticeable before T-W's downtown HD onslaught in January. Even prior to January, as T-W added HD channels, PQ got worse.

is there a pattern to the way FiOS TV is spreading through Manhattan? is it been done in some sort of order from South to North or is it starting at several random points and spreading chaotically? i'm eagerly awaiting the service as i dont like TWC's service.

how long till FiOS TV gets to the Northern-most tip of the island?

I have given up any kind of hopeful thinking about the arrival of FIOS. I live in Chelsea and long ago, after deployment, I was advised it was coming to my neighborhood- then, after time passed, I got the infamous e-mail that they were delayed for a six month period to negotiate with buildings to have it installed. My building is an old rental, and I honestly don't understand why nothing has happened, but I do not have optimistic vibes- I hate the quality of TWC HDTV and don't understand whether it is a lack of aggressiveness on Verizon's part, or whether the city has simply given residential buildings complete veto power over whether or not tenants can get FIOS.

Very depressing situation-

is there a pattern to the way FiOS TV is spreading through Manhattan? is it been done in some sort of order from South to North or is it starting at several random points and spreading chaotically? i'm eagerly awaiting the service as i dont like TWC's service.

how long till FiOS TV gets to the Northern-most tip of the island?

TWC did a very methodical south to north rollout of it's fiber trunk lines (which meant that many services were available in Alphabet City long before they got up here). Verizon seems to be doing something else. My GUESS is they are identifying the best collection of potential customers surrounding each of their major hubs, then wiring from there. Which kinda sorta does make sense from a business prospective.

I know there's a big one servicing Columbia, so that's fortunate for me. I have no idea what may exist north of there. I know 125th & Morningside is about to start street wiring, while there are no visible indications here, 25 blocks south. However, I have it on very good authority they will start marketing efforts here by the end of August, so by years end I expect it to be cool.

The bad news is running lines down side blacks may be dependent on sign-ups. If there are very few folks interested, said block may be wired later than adjacent locks where there's a lot of interest. Again, while unfortunate, this also makes sense.

Let us not all forget that RCN was really the first and only outfit to try and challenge TWC while having to run new wire everywhere. At some point they ran out of money and halted any new wire. I'm surprised they are still in business, because for many years now they have had zero expansion.

Note that the franchise agreement stipulates they should have all areas wired by 2018. My only advice is to find out where a hub is and try and get loads of folks in your nabe to call and ask for FIOS.

TWC did a very methodical south to north rollout of it's fiber trunk lines (which meant that many services were available in Alphabet City long before they got up here). Verizon seems to be doing something else. My GUESS is they are identifying the best collection of potential customers surrounding each of their major hubs, then wiring from there. Which kinda sorta does make sense from a business prospective.

I know there's a big one servicing Columbia, so that's fortunate for me. I have no idea what may exist north of there. I know 125th & Morningside is about to start street wiring, while there are no visible indications here, 25 blocks south. However, I have it on very good authority they will start marketing efforts here by the end of August, so by years end I expect it to be cool.

The bad news is running lines down side blacks may be dependent on sign-ups. If there are very few folks interested, said block may be wired later than adjacent locks where there's a lot of interest. Again, while unfortunate, this also makes sense.

Let us not all forget that RCN was really the first and only outfit to try and challenge TWC while having to run new wire everywhere. At some point they ran out of money and halted any new wire. I'm surprised they are still in business, because for many years now they have had zero expansion.

Note that the franchise agreement stipulates they should have all areas wired by 2018. My only advice is to find out where a hub is and try and get loads of folks in your nabe to call and ask for FIOS.


2014 to be exact the deadline for verizon to have the whole city wired. If they don't do it by that date they will face big fines, plus they will lose the franchise agreement.

I have given up any kind of hopeful thinking about the arrival of FIOS. I live in Chelsea and long ago, after deployment, I was advised it was coming to my neighborhood- then, after time passed, I got the infamous e-mail that they were delayed for a six month period to negotiate with buildings to have it installed. My building is an old rental, and I honestly don't understand why nothing has happened, but I do not have optimistic vibes- I hate the quality of TWC HDTV and don't understand whether it is a lack of aggressiveness on Verizon's part, or whether the city has simply given residential buildings complete veto power over whether or not tenants can get FIOS.

Very depressing situation-

Contact your building landlord, and the folks that are on charge there. I don't think the problem is Verizon since they already wired your street blocks with the fiber, I think it is with your building management.

Of course all those areas like Chelsea, Soho, West Village has been wired with fios for a while.

2014 to be exact the deadline for verizon to have the whole city wired. If they don't do it by that date they will face big fines, plus they will lose the franchise agreement.

Yes, but there were several built in deferral allowances. Instead of them having to go ask for them, they got them at the beginning of the cycle.

Not that they can't go and request more... as we should know by now, the state franchising authority is more interested in their welfare then the states citizens.

Contact your building landlord, and the folks that are on charge there. I don't think the problem is Verizon since they already wired your street blocks with the fiber, I think it is with your building management.

Of course all those areas like Chelsea, Soho, West Village has been wired with fios for a while.

I find this curious; many years ago, TWC wanted to "re-do" the building wiring and we had an issue with what they were going to do. We asked our attorney to look into what our rights were and found out that the franchise agreement allows them to pretty much do as they please. So I find it curious that any individual building can prevent it's residents from being able to access the service.

But you ARE correct, I hear stories of landlords flat out refusing and massive procrastinating... even in areas where they had service from day one.

I have no idea what may exist north of there. I know 125th & Morningside is about to start street wiring, while there are no visible indications here, 25 blocks south.

so there's no indication, clue or estimate of when Verizon FiOS tv will finally reach Inwood? :(

so there's no indication, clue or estimate of when Verizon FiOS tv will finally reach Inwood? :(

Nobody knows when Washington Heights and Inwood will be wired. I think as soon as they finish with the Morningside heights and Upper west side then they will move to those areas.

Nobody knows when Washington Heights and Inwood will be wired. I think as soon as they finish with the Morningside heights and Upper west side then they will move to those areas.

once they start deploying it in a given area, how long does it take till the whole area is wired? and while i'm at it, where do they stretch the fiber? on light posts or the sewer? i have always wondered....

once they start deploying it in a given area, how long does it take till the whole area is wired? and while i'm at it, where do they stretch the fiber? on light posts or the sewer? i have always wondered....

Very hard to guess that as your specific building has a big role in "when can I get it." One of the first areas it was "available" in was the East Village. I have a pal there who still can't get it... and I think it's been a good 6 months since it was available in the area.

once they start deploying it in a given area, how long does it take till the whole area is wired? and while i'm at it, where do they stretch the fiber? on light posts or the sewer? i have always wondered....

Co-ops decide when their building will be wired, not verizon. City buildings in the other hand it is more easy.

Let see what happen this coming month if verizon will stop talking or will take action.

2014 to be exact the deadline for verizon to have the whole city wired. If they don't do it by that date they will face big fines, plus they will lose the franchise agreement.

fines- yes, losing franchise- no. every year, there are buildout "benchmarks". the language of the franchise gives verizon some flexibility but the city realizes that this is the only company thats capable of giving the entire city a real choice in telecom provider since they are big enough and already have rights of way on poles & underground. if verizon does not meet the deadline there will be fines but not enough to put them out of business.

I have reliable information that Verizon factors in how many want to sign up on a particular block into whether to run the fiber down the block. Even if they have the trunk lines in that area, it's no guarantee you'll be able to get FiOS. We KNOW the avenues are covered in the East Village, I hear there's a "Verizon FiOS" storefront where you can go and get signed up. I got my pal (on 10th) to be more specific about what they told him and Verizon is saying it's not available "on his block." Which confirms my original information.

BTW, FiOS has been available in his general area for a good 6 months.

I would guess they only have so many crews and are sort of cherry picking, as in wiring to buildings where they can do more rather than less business. Sure they can hire more crews, overtime etc. but it kinda makes sense these days for them to be more ruthless about where they go...

My landlord controls 3 buildings, 39 stories, about 1200 apartments.

First evidence FIOS was coming was about March 2008. Their contractors appeared, lowering the upper molding so FIOS would have room alongside T-W's cable. By August 2008 they had set up hubs in one of two compacter rooms on each floor with the same number of nodes as there are apartments.

They were also appearing in the lobby with tables and glossies. I got installation late December. I remain the only active node on the hub for my floor a year after availability.

My landlord controls 3 buildings, 39 stories, about 1200 apartments.

First evidence FIOS was coming was about March 2008. Their contractors appeared, lowering the upper molding so FIOS would have room alongside T-W's cable. By August 2008 they had set up hubs in one of two compacter rooms on each floor with the same number of nodes as there are apartments.

They were also appearing in the lobby with tables and glossies. I got installation late December. I remain the only active node on the hub for my floor a year after availability.

Not surprising they went after 1200 potential customers from one landlord. I'd wonder about much smaller buildings in your footprint... like 20 and 30 unit buildings. I'd bet many may not have a trunk to those buildings.

Downtown in the EV, they quickly made a deal with StuyTown and those guys got access 6-7 months ago, while folks on some of the smaller side streets right next to it still don't have access.

Then again, it also points to a significant factor... your landlord was very forward looking and didn't hassle them. I'm playing the role as an officer on my coop to make sure my building doesn't hassle them incessantly... Verizon will have to run their fiber through the hallways and we spent a bunch of money a while back to get rid of all the hallway wiring, essentially burying it all. My fellow board members will grumble about letting them in, but I';ve been bringing it up during annual meetings and a lot of folks in my very small building seem excited to have to available.

Not surprising they went after 1200 potential customers from one landlord. I'd wonder about much smaller buildings in your footprint... like 20 and 30 unit buildings. I'd bet many may not have a trunk to those buildings.

Downtown in the EV, they quickly made a deal with StuyTown and those guys got access 6-7 months ago, while folks on some of the smaller side streets right next to it still don't have access.

Then again, it also points to a significant factor... your landlord was very forward looking and didn't hassle them. I'm playing the role as an officer on my coop to make sure my building doesn't hassle them incessantly... Verizon will have to run their fiber through the hallways and we spent a bunch of money a while back to get rid of all the hallway wiring, essentially burying it all. My fellow board members will grumble about letting them in, but I';ve been bringing it up during annual meetings and a lot of folks in my very small building seem excited to have to available.

I'll guess that in the first instance, Verizon is interested in density. They'll make their best short term return on investment.

LL bought the development in 2003, took it out of Mitchell-Lama. Legitimate Mitchell-Lama tenants were grandfathered in a side deal with the new guy.
He began asking megabucks on one year leases from new tenants. Massive renovations in vacant apartments. FIOS fits with his plan.

There aren't any buildings in the neighb that compete for density. But just a few blocks away across West Street is Battery Park City, where no building is older than 27 years and many are quite new. The Verizon central office on West and Vesey is quite close to BPC.

is there a pattern to the way FiOS TV is spreading through Manhattan? is it been done in some sort of order from South to North or is it starting at several random points and spreading chaotically? i'm eagerly awaiting the service as i dont like TWC's service.

how long till FiOS TV gets to the Northern-most tip of the island?

First you will see Empire city subway ( Owned by Verizon inc) building conduits in your area. Empire city subway built several conduits last month on 125th street ( amsterdam ave and broadway). Now they are doing the samething on 100th and Amsterdam ave.

Empire city subways build the conduits, then the verizon trucks lay the fiber.

First you will see Empire city subway ( Owned by Verizon inc) building conduits in your area. Empire city subway built several conduits last month on 125th street ( amsterdam ave and broadway). Now they are doing the samething on 100th and Amsterdam ave.

Empire city subways build the conduits, then the verizon trucks lay the fiber.

Hmmm, didn't notice any trucks on 100th & Amsterdam, then again I passed by there on Saturday. I did see some orange street markings, but that also could have something to do with that new building on that corner (the one that should house a Whole Foods).

Hmmm, didn't notice any trucks on 100th & Amsterdam, then again I passed by there on Saturday. I did see some orange street markings, but that also could have something to do with that new building on that corner (the one that should house a Whole Foods).

I don't know what Verizon is waiting for because Empire city subway built the conduits for FIOS on July on 125th street broadway and amsterdam Ave and its already august, and i don't see not activity. One thing for sure is that I saw a guy today doing some orange marks on Morninside ave and 125th. I asked him about the marks and he told me that it was a planning for Verizon.

There are permits for Empire city subway to build conduits on Amsterdam ave and 100th, and 72th and AMsterdam ave. The permits are from july 31th to august 30th.

FWIW, the pavement markings at 100th indicate an east-west run.

Perhaps that's what they need because they may already have the conduit runs north and south??

FWIW, the pavement markings at 100th indicate an east-west run.

Perhaps that's what they need because they may already have the conduit runs north and south??

I think you are on target regarding that, but my problem is that they built the conduit last month near of my home, but there is not activity yet. I don't know if we will see FIOS by the end of the year, right now the chances of that are not realistic.

so i live in nyc have time warner. i was wondering with fios if the whole bldg has to be wired or can individual apartments just get wired. fios hasnt come to my bldg yet--i live in a 5 floor about 30 units no doorman. want to be finished with time warner already

so i live in nyc have time warner. i was wondering with fios if the whole bldg has to be wired or can individual apartments just get wired. fios hasnt come to my bldg yet--i live in a 5 floor about 30 units no doorman. want to be finished with time warner already

Where do you live? It is a combination of a lot things before Verizon wire a building. The upper west side of Manhattan doesn't have Fios Yet what that tells you about Verizon?. It tells you that they are not in a rush to wire the city. Verizon is taking their time litle by little.

Where do you live? It is a combination of a lot things before Verizon wire a building. The upper west side of Manhattan doesn't have Fios Yet what that tells you about Verizon?. It tells you that they are not in a rush to wire the city. Verizon is taking their time litle by little.

There are three one year delays built into the 2014 commitment in the franchise agreement. It's also clear they are going for the biggest complexes where one agreement can give them 300-1200 apartments. I think StuyTown was wired first.

If you live on a street of brownstones, I'm afraid it's going to be a LONG wait. My block isn 't all that long, but we DO have 4 large buildings at each corner and 2 smaller (~40 units each, me in one of those) in the middle of the block, the rest are brownstones.

Where do you live? It is a combination of a lot things before Verizon wire a building. The upper west side of Manhattan doesn't have Fios Yet what that tells you about Verizon?. It tells you that they are not in a rush to wire the city. Verizon is taking their time litle by little.

i dont know what you're impying by fios is not available in your neighborhood but its physically impossible to build to every neighborhood affluent or not in a short period of time. even a big company like verizon only has so much manpower it can dedicate to a buildout and at the same time maintain their current network.


there is language in the franchise that states the availability of fios service footprint has to equal the average income of city residents. so to balance they may build out to the upper east side at the same time as the south bronx.

FYI, looks like FIOS TV is deploying in Williamsburg, BK. I've had fios internet (only) at my place on North 5th street for a month, was notified yesterday that FIOS TV is now available in my building; setup today and install is scheduled for Tuesday.

Justin

There are three one year delays built into the 2014 commitment in the franchise agreement. It's also clear they are going for the biggest complexes where one agreement can give them 300-1200 apartments. I think StuyTown was wired first.

If you live on a street of brownstones, I'm afraid it's going to be a LONG wait. My block isn 't all that long, but we DO have 4 large buildings at each corner and 2 smaller (~40 units each, me in one of those) in the middle of the block, the rest are brownstones.

I also live in area where there are many large buildings( Morningside Gardens). I think there are over 23 large buildings each with 21 floors, so I know it will be a matter of time before Verizon will wire my streets blocks. Heck they already built the conduits.

Walked in my front door this afternoon. Two astroturf DirecTV door mats gracing the entrance of the building. About 400 apartments in the building. That would be FIOS and D-TV competing with TW within the past year.

I've seen that Verizon has offered D-TV in a package where FIOS isn't ready.

I'm wondering if D-TV can somehow share FIOS basement fiber optic hub, sending satellite signal to the building's basement by wire. I have no familiarity with the state of DirecTV equipment. If not, that upper molding will get crowded in a hurry carrying 3 services.

I also live in area where there are many large buildings( Morningside Gardens). I think there are over 23 large buildings each with 21 floors, so I know it will be a matter of time before Verizon will wire my streets blocks. Heck they already built the conduits.

Well, much time has passed. Turns out all the markings I saw on 100th had nothing at all to do with Verizon, I asked the workers (when I could distract them from chewing the fat!). It was all about Con Ed, apparently needing more conduits for a new building on 100th and Amsterdam that is supposed to have at least 2 huge food stores (one being Whole Foods instead of my hoped for Trader Joes). So, not a hint of any conduit being laid by Verizon in the nabe... guess "ends of August" won't be happening.

I also hear mostly bad things about the FiOS DVR...

Well, much time has passed. Turns out all the markings I saw on 100th had nothing at all to do with Verizon, I asked the workers (when I could distract them from chewing the fat!). It was all about Con Ed, apparently needing more conduits for a new building on 100th and Amsterdam that is supposed to have at least 2 huge food stores (one being Whole Foods instead of my hoped for Trader Joes). So, not a hint of any conduit being laid by Verizon in the nabe... guess "ends of August" won't be happening.

I also hear mostly bad things about the FiOS DVR...

Some buildings in 62- 64th and Columbus ave are getting FIOS this month other than that, there are several conduit permits in the upper west side for Empire city Subway which is owned by Verizon, but I am not holding my breath. It seems that Verizon is only concern of Wiring the rich areas of Queens like Forest Hill and Flushing and meadows since in those areas the cables are on poles, and mostly houses. Verizon excuse is that they are not getting a lot of agreements with landlords, but heck they just wired NYU dorm rooms, I guess Columbia is next.

Some buildings in 62- 64th and Columbus ave are getting FIOS this month other than that, there are several conduit permits in the upper west side for Empire city Subway which is owned by Verizon, but I am not holding my breath. It seems that Verizon is only concern of Wiring the rich areas of Queens like Forest Hill and Flushing and meadows since in those areas the cables are on poles, and mostly houses. Verizon excuse is that they are not getting a lot of agreements with landlords, but heck they just wired NYU dorm rooms, I guess Columbia is next.

Business decisions that make sense I understand. Wanting to first go to where they have more potential sign-ups also makes sense. Still, I think the WEA corridor from 106th down to 72nd SHOULD be a prime target. Pretty much all the buildings on WEA are large and in general very solidly middle and upper middle class in economic ways. I'd even say the average education level is pretty high.

My feeling is that they SHOULD be running conduit in that area soon, as in absolutely before the end of the year.

Some buildings in 62- 64th and Columbus ave are getting FIOS this month other than that, there are several conduit permits in the upper west side for Empire city Subway which is owned by Verizon, but I am not holding my breath. It seems that Verizon is only concern of Wiring the rich areas of Queens like Forest Hill and Flushing and meadows since in those areas the cables are on poles, and mostly houses. Verizon excuse is that they are not getting a lot of agreements with landlords, but heck they just wired NYU dorm rooms, I guess Columbia is next.

AFAIK, Queens was first borough with FIOS. Planning and installation would be a little further along.

Business decisions that make sense I understand. Wanting to first go to where they have more potential sign-ups also makes sense. Still, I think the WEA corridor from 106th down to 72nd SHOULD be a prime target. Pretty much all the buildings on WEA are large and in general very solidly middle and upper middle class in economic ways. I'd even say the average education level is pretty high.

My feeling is that they SHOULD be running conduit in that area soon, as in absolutely before the end of the year.

Correct... you are right on target.

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All the permits are for constrution of conduits.

Correct... you are right on target.

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All the permits are for constrution of conduits.

Ah, I was going to ask you were you found such data, now you've given it to us... thanks so much.

Still, these seem to be spot openings, sounds like they are upgrading nodes... but I think they still have to run the fiber... and some of the distances seem way farther for them to do that.

Ah, I was going to ask you were you found such data, now you've given it to us... thanks so much.

Still, these seem to be spot openings, sounds like they are upgrading nodes... but I think they still have to run the fiber... and some of the distances seem way farther for them to do that.

The thing is that Empire city subway has been building conduits for a few months in the Upper west side and Morningside Heights, that is why you don't see the other city blocks because they already built the conduits for it. Now if you see the Verizon trucks that means they are running the fiber, since the other company built they conduit already. I guess they want to build all the conduits first, before they come to run the fiber.

Now the bad news is this:
Verizon Union Workers Fight Layoffs
Warn of 'suicides, foreclosures and broken families'
02:00PM Thursday Aug 20 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: legal · business · Politics · Verizon FIOS · Verizon Online DSL

Back during Verizon's second quarter earnings call, the company announced they'd be laying off 8,000 employees this year in order to generate some savings. There's a combination of reasons for the layoffs, including continuing losses of both landline and DSL customers, and Verizon's continued shift away from more rural markets. Union workers obviously are annoyed, and the Massachusetts IBEW telephone workers' unions this week took their complaints to lawmakers in Boston, with a dash of hyperbole in tow:


"Despite being a very profitable corporation, Verizon announced it wants to cut 8,000 jobs nationally and as many as 500 jobs in Massachusetts," said Myles Calvey, Business Manager of Local 2222 and Chairman of the IBEW System Council T-6. "If Verizon is allowed to do this, it will lead to suicides, foreclosures and broken families. This is nothing but pure corporate greed."
As we noted last week, Verizon is also threatening the state with less investment in infrastructure if lawmakers go through with their plan to remove a century-old loophole that kept Verizon from paying property tax in the state. The entire debate over layoffs and political fisticuffs has some union workers confused about their future and the future of FiOS, if posts to our forums are any indication.


Related:
Verizon, Unions Reach Agreement
seems that means that there will be a slow down regarding the FIOS wiring process.

Walked in my front door this afternoon. Two astroturf DirecTV door mats gracing the entrance of the building. About 400 apartments in the building. That would be FIOS and D-TV competing with TW within the past year.

I've seen that Verizon has offered D-TV in a package where FIOS isn't ready.

I'm wondering if D-TV can somehow share FIOS basement fiber optic hub, sending satellite signal to the building's basement by wire. I have no familiarity with the state of DirecTV equipment. If not, that upper molding will get crowded in a hurry carrying 3 services.

As iit happens, the doormats were advertising for DirecTv's NFL package. Their web site has it available online in Manhattan for $350.

seems that means that there will be a slow down regarding the FIOS wiring process.

That much sure seems to be the current case. If it was going to be available in my nabe in August (this was Verizon's intention for the past 6-9 months), street work should have already gone on... but it has not and there are no telltale street markings indicating it may happen anytime soon. I believe the franchise agreement allows for 3 one year delays to the 2014 "everyone wired" provision.

That much sure seems to be the current case. If it was going to be available in my nabe in August (this was Verizon's intention for the past 6-9 months), street work should have already gone on... but it has not and there are no telltale street markings indicating it may happen anytime soon. I believe the franchise agreement allows for 3 one year delays to the 2014 "everyone wired" provision.

Management always change the date of deployment for a specific areas . They probably changed the date again, and decide to concentrate on Elmhurts Queens, bayridge Brooklyn,Downtown Brooklyn and midtown Manhattan. For now the cable companies know that they don't have real competition, so they can sit their #$@ for the next 3 years nothing big will happen.

well, tomorrow will be my first day with Fios - after years of Time Warner, I'm moving to a building in downtown Manhattan that has Fios. Super excited!

Management always change the date of deployment for a specific areas . They probably changed the date again, and decide to concentrate on Elmhurts Queens, bayridge Brooklyn,Downtown Brooklyn and midtown Manhattan. For now the cable companies know that they don't have real competition, so they can sit their #$@ for the next 3 years nothing big will happen.

I hear ya, but in all fairness, I wrote a lengthy message to the DOITT about why I felt they weren't doing their jobs because they were allowing TWC to provide far more HD channels to areas of the city while actually charging us in Manhattan MORE than them that got more HD. Which got me a deal from TWC that is actually close to 40% less than rate card. A friend who lives in an area Verizon says it covers (east village) wanted to drop some services (HDXtra because they dropped HDNet) and got a better deal than I did (although the irony is Verizon says "not on that block" even though the area is supposed to be covered by them for the past 6 months).

well, tomorrow will be my first day with Fios - after years of Time Warner, I'm moving to a building in downtown Manhattan that has Fios. Super excited!

Interesting... I have a friend who lives on 10th, just west of A and he tells me Verizon says "not on that block" even though they supposedly have the area covered. Then again, he does live in a small building... and that block does not have any large buildings...

well, tomorrow will be my first day with Fios - after years of Time Warner, I'm moving to a building in downtown Manhattan that has Fios. Super excited!

It's a step up in every respect except "the box".

It's a step up in every respect except "the box".

And thereby hangs a tale. Not so much the box, but the software really is the interface with what we're spending upwards of 200 bucks/month for. I know full well what a p9iece of garbage the TWC software is, but I have also hear mostly not good things about what runs on a FiOS box.

OTOH, I think Verizon actually charges more money for DVR service than TWC, so a TiVO may make more sense ($ perspective) for a FiOS customer. It sure as hell (from what I read) is way, way superior to the crap TWC charges us for.

OTOH, I think Verizon actually charges more money for DVR service than TWC, so a TiVO may make more sense ($ perspective) for a FiOS customer. It sure as hell (from what I read) is way, way superior to the crap TWC charges us for.
Verizon actually charges less. With TW you are paying box rental and DVR service (~$22). With FIOS you pay only $15.

Verizon actually charges less. With TW you are paying box rental and DVR service (~$22). With FIOS you pay only $15.

Don't be fooled into thinking Verizon doesn't have a rental charge built into their pricing, they actually have to supply 2 boxes to do what one does for TWC. If 2 customers of each outfit drop DVR service, the bill goes down 11 bucks for TWC and 15 for FiOS.

That is not to say I wouldn't jump at the chance to get FiOS, but all I know for sure is they committed to wiring the city by something like 2017. And that certain commitments they have made privately about deployment are not being met... and we are reading about bad economic times have them contemplating layoffs.

Interesting... I have a friend who lives on 10th, just west of A and he tells me Verizon says "not on that block" even though they supposedly have the area covered. Then again, he does live in a small building... and that block does not have any large buildings...

My bad for not updating my profile from East Village to Lower East Side - I only moved five blocks but I think it's technically a neighborhood change! I'm in a pretty new building on the LES.

It's a step up in every respect except "the box".

Agree! Love the picture quality, and having NFL Network HD, but having some issues getting used to the box. Seems particularly noisy when playing back recordings compared to the old 8300HD or HDC.

My bad for not updating my profile from East Village to Lower East Side - I only moved five blocks but I think it's technically a neighborhood change! I'm in a pretty new building on the LES.

Agree! Love the picture quality, and having NFL Network HD, but having some issues getting used to the box. Seems particularly noisy when playing back recordings compared to the old 8300HD or HDC.

I sit 10 feet from the box. The box is about 1 foot from the floor on a shelf. I find the IR a bit week compared to TW. Have to take sharpshooter aim. No discernible noise at this distance.

I walked past 72st and Bway and thery was Verizon trucks puting cable down a manhole. Im not sure what its for. A new bulding is going up there too.Could be for Fios or ???

I walked past 72st and Bway and thery was Verizon trucks puting cable down a manhole. Im not sure what its for. A new bulding is going up there too.Could be for Fios or ???

How many trucks? Were the cables orange?. Now the tricky question is that the cable were for that new building only. I keep telling people if you move to a new Building there is a big chance that is wired with FIOS.

How many trucks? Were the cables orange?. Now the tricky question is that the cable were for that new building only. I keep telling people if you move to a new Building there is a big chance that is wired with FIOS.

Even if they are aiming squarely at one building, it is somewhat good news. It also means the trunk lines are in place (actually, I'm not sure if that is the exactly correct term... think of it as the fattest cables going up the avenues with nodes where smaller cables branch off to specific blocks).

And yes I know it's all optical, the "fat" was only a way to explain main and subsidiary lines.

FWIW, one of the supposed advantages of TWC here is the breadth and depth of their VOD offerings. EXCEPT for MANY years I always found TWC service of VOD to be appalling... it only worked maybe 3 out of 10 times. Thought it mi8ght relate to my old Passport software, something that got no updates for the last 2 years of it's life. So I got Craptigator forced on me and guess what? Something like 4 of 8 days it was unavailable... as in totally, not just one show or movie.

A lot of activities on the Upper West SIde

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There is a lot of activities going on. I have seen the Empire city subway trucks laying the Orange cables (Fiber) on some of those street city blocks.





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Someone previously mentioned that they saw verizon laying the cables on 72 and broadway. The permit above was for it.

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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22798195-northeast-BrooklynNY-FIOS-Deployments

As you can see at the link, Brooklyn has its own deployment issues. A little different than Manhattan with poles front or back, with front poles getting priority over back poles.

Ah, thanks for the update Carl... looks like everywhere around me is getting hit, but 107 & B'way is close, but I doubt I'd get my feed from there...!

Interesting they seem to be running up WEA, Amsterdam, Columbus, and even a little on RSD/Broadway. As I'm half way between RSD & WEA, I always figured my "local node" would be on WEA. As some of the ones nearest me end 10/30, my guess is Nov/Dec for a node that can branch down my block.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22798195-northeast-BrooklynNY-FIOS-Deployments

As you can see at the link, Brooklyn has its own deployment issues. A little different than Manhattan with poles front or back, with front poles getting priority over back poles.

Brooklyn is a nightmare. A friend of mine that works for the company told me that the Verizon engineers are afraid with Brooklyn. Now the funny thing is that Empire City Subway build and lay the fiber for Verizon In Manhattan. The whole Manhattan Island will be wired before Brooklyn.

Brooklyn is a nightmare. A friend of mine that works for the company told me that the Verizon engineers are afraid with Brooklyn. Now the funny thing is that Empire City Subway build and lay the fiber for Verizon In Manhattan. The whole Manhattan Island will be wired before Brooklyn.

IIRC Brooklyn didn't have cable until 1990. Manhattan has had it since the late 60s. No horserace between the boroughs. The digital conversion provides no comparison since digital cable continues to use copper from the street to the box.

Verizon owns and maintains AFAIK the poles along which they and the cablecos run their lines. There is room for fiber optic cable on the poles.The sheer magnitude of the Brooklyn job, with high number of single family homes and large area is daunting but Queens is more so.

IIRC Brooklyn didn't have cable until 1990. Manhattan has had it since the late 60s. No horserace between the boroughs. The digital conversion provides no comparison since digital cable continues to use copper from the street to the box.

Maybe that's part of the reason why TWC gave Brooklyn more HD channels than Manhattan... and gave our Brooklyn cousins discounts 2+ years before anyone in Manhattan had them.

Doesn't Brooklyn have major TWC trunks in fiber? Here, it seems it's fiber to a node, then a 500 unit branch in copper. I know I'm half a very short block from a fiber node... and that before that happened, I did not have access to RR, digital cable, and several other minor services. I had friends in the East Village that had such 2 years before I did... because TWC started the fiber process in lower Manhattan anmd worked their way uptown.

Maybe that's part of the reason why TWC gave Brooklyn more HD channels than Manhattan... and gave our Brooklyn cousins discounts 2+ years before anyone in Manhattan had them.

Doesn't Brooklyn have major TWC trunks in fiber? Here, it seems it's fiber to a node, then a 500 unit branch in copper. I know I'm half a very short block from a fiber node... and that before that happened, I did not have access to RR, digital cable, and several other minor services. I had friends in the East Village that had such 2 years before I did... because TWC started the fiber process in lower Manhattan anmd worked their way uptown.

TW has fiber to my building, then 35 year old copper.

Anyone here considering getting the new NFL Red Zone channel? I'm kind of disappointed at the $49.99 charge but still tempted.

Anyone here considering getting the new NFL Red Zone channel? I'm kind of disappointed at the $49.99 charge but still tempted.


My Boss just got it for this weekend and can not shut up about how great it was. He says the money is well worth it. He saw every scoreing play for every game this Sunday. He now wants to get the DVR so he won't miss a thing >G<.

I know $50 bucks for September to January of about 2 days a week is a lot but hearing him talk about it I think I would get it.

My Boss just got it for this weekend and can not shut up about how great it was. He says the money is well worth it. He saw every scoreing play for every game this Sunday. He now wants to get the DVR so he won't miss a thing >G<.

I know $50 bucks for September to January of about 2 days a week is a lot but hearing him talk about it I think I would get it.

I ended up getting it, and thought it was great. Is $49.99 pretty steep? No doubt. But it does a great job of keeping you totally updated. The only thing to keep in mind is that if you're a Jets fan like me, watching the 1pm game which is when the Jets usually play, then the Red Zone channel is not quite as useful because you're watching your own team anyway and by the time the 4pm games rolls around, there just aren't that many of them for the channel to follow.

But it's still great to have whenever there are commercials during the broadcast game at 1pm, it's just really cool to get all the updates and constantly have some kind of action on there.

My Boss just got it for this weekend and can not shut up about how great it was. He says the money is well worth it. He saw every scoreing play for every game this Sunday. He now wants to get the DVR so he won't miss a thing >G<.

I know $50 bucks for September to January of about 2 days a week is a lot but hearing him talk about it I think I would get it.

Hmmm, I thought you had to already have the $300/season package first.

Hmmm, I thought you had to already have the $300/season package first.That's Direct only.

That's Direct only.

Ah, so for FiOS it's 50 bucks for the season without any other requirements? I had read one had to be a Sunday Ticket subscriber to get this "red" NFL channel.

Looks like it probably will be end of year earliest for Verizon to wire up here (not sure I get it, I think from Columbia to Lincoln Center along the WEA corridor should be very fertile ground for them) so could they get MSD HD? I would REALLY miss the Rangers (and the occasional concert)... hockey in HD seems to me a bigger "upgrade" than baseball/football.

A lot of activities on the Upper West SIde

Hey, Berk32 posted the gov web site where one can find this info.. might you share the search terms you use?

Hey, Berk32 posted the gov web site where one can find this info.. might you share the search terms you use?

Yeah I know the site, that is where I get all the permits from. There is not a lot activity other than Empire city subway building conduits on the locations that I posted last week.

Right now I m not worried about when I will get FIOS. I am just curious what impact TWC will do with SDV, whether they will stop compressing the channels or not.

Ah, so for FiOS it's 50 bucks for the season without any other requirements? I had read one had to be a Sunday Ticket subscriber to get this "red" NFL channel.

Looks like it probably will be end of year earliest for Verizon to wire up here (not sure I get it, I think from Columbia to Lincoln Center along the WEA corridor should be very fertile ground for them) so could they get MSD HD? I would REALLY miss the Rangers (and the occasional concert)... hockey in HD seems to me a bigger "upgrade" than baseball/football.
There are two different but similarly named and formatted channels: NFL RedZone and the Red Zone Channel.

Red Zone Channel is owned, operated and produced by DirecTV, and as such is only available on DirecTV as part of the NFL Sunday Ticket Superfan package, which costs around $400 per season ($300 for NFL Sunday Ticket and an additional $100 for the Superfan upgrade.)

NFL RedZone is owned and produced by the NFL (through NFL Network). The NFL is shopping NFL RedZone around to any cable or satellite company that will take it. Verizon, Comcast, Dish Network and AT&T have taken it up, and they are making it available on a premium basis, Verizon a-la-carte, and the others as part of their premium sports tiers.

Both channels operate from 1pm to 7pm on Sundays, and provide live look-ins and quick-turnaround highlights of every game, as teams create scoring chances throughout the football day.

Yeah I know the site, that is where I get all the permits from. There is not a lot activity other than Empire city subway building conduits on the locations that I posted last week.

Right now I m not worried about when I will get FIOS. I am just curious what impact TWC will do with SDV, whether they will stop compressing the channels or not.

So you simply choose Empire and a range of locations?

Someone posted that while Empire may open the street to lay conduit, it was Verizon itself that laid in the fiber. Which would seem to imply that it was when Verizon laid fiber to be the "better" indicator of when it actually will be available.

I finally DID solve some of my TWC issues (signal strength, I had mistakenly thought I did not have an issue as my ingress was fine, but someone on AVS was helpful in reminding me about what I was doing AT my TV... fixed that and I'm OK) so I am not as horrendously anxious as I had been. I also think it's going to be a lot longer before it gets to me... even though I'd say the whole west side corridor around WEA SHOULD be prime territory for FiOS!

Somehow I think it might be a LONG while before TWC gets SDV actually functioning, and I'd also expect tons of trouble with it for the first 2-3 years of deployment! It's VERY possible the only reason they are doing it is to be able to deploy DOCSIS 3... that makes a TON of sense. Cablevision is there, FiOS has tons more IP bandwidth, TWC is at a fairly large competitive disadvantage.

Long time TW customer finally able to join the FIOS club. My main concern is their DVR. How bad is it compared to the TW Navigator crap?

Any former TW converts regret the move?

Any tips or advice?

TIA

Long time TW customer finally able to join the FIOS club. My main concern is their DVR. How bad is it compared to the TW Navigator crap?

Any former TW converts regret the move?

Any tips or advice?

TIA

The DVR is slow, the IR is weak and the Guide sucks. There is no PIP available.

I do like being able to set up a record session remotely, from any web-enabled computer or phone.

I like going to ch 49 and getting Weather Channel "Local Weather on the Eights" without waiting for the eights, 24/7.

The picture must be seen to be believed.

The internet is red hot.

I would only consider returning to TW if FIOS price became outrageous.

The picture must be seen to be believed.


:cool: Thanks, it's all about the picture, for me.

:cool: Thanks, it's all about the picture, for me.

I dunno, I do notice a small PQ bump after being 'gatored, but only on some very specific places. Be interesting to hear what you think... might be an idea before you switch to sample some signal strengths. Folks seeing huge PQ differences could be getting not enough signal from TWC...

I dunno, I do notice a small PQ bump after being 'gatored, but only on some very specific places. Be interesting to hear what you think... might be an idea before you switch to sample some signal strengths. Folks seeing huge PQ differences could be getting not enough signal from TWC...

I checked my signal strength is really really good RDC Power 42 and FDC Power -1, and still the cable channels look compressed like hell. The locals look stunning though. Picture quality is the deal breaker for me, if Verizon FIOS would be available I would sign up in a heart beat.

I checked my signal strength is really really good RDC Power 42 and FDC Power -1, and still the cable channels look compressed like hell. The locals look stunning though. Picture quality is the deal breaker for me, if Verizon FIOS would be available I would sign up in a heart beat.

the way digital works is that it either works or doesnt. a signal level of -5 or +5 will give u the same exact picture. if it is compressed at the headend, it will be compressed in your house regardless of signal level.

the way digital works is that it either works or doesnt. a signal level of -5 or +5 will give u the same exact picture. if it is compressed at the headend, it will be compressed in your house regardless of signal level.

While I think you are mostly correct, my experience is that it absolutely does relate very directly to glitches and audio drop outs. I was running -10 to -7 and was plagued with them... usually only on about a half dozen channels. I managed to fix the strength issues, going to -2 to +2 and the glitching went mostly away... and for the few times I DO see it, it's less intrusive as it's much shorter in length (I lose a word or two, not whole sentences).

Not exactly "works or doesn't."

My sole experience with "digital works or doesn't" is with digital OTA. If you are suffering with TW and you have an ATSC tuner and an antenna, set em up. It's a good exercise. You will see just how good digital can be.

Anyway, from time to time digial OTA doesn't pull in a couple NJ channels. The audio remains constant but squares of black appear on the screen randomly, sections of the screen may freeze or the picture may disappear altogether.

I would categorize this experience as a subset of doesn't work.

While I think you are mostly correct, my experience is that it absolutely does relate very directly to glitches and audio drop outs. I was running -10 to -7 and was plagued with them... usually only on about a half dozen channels. I managed to fix the strength issues, going to -2 to +2 and the glitching went mostly away... and for the few times I DO see it, it's less intrusive as it's much shorter in length (I lose a word or two, not whole sentences).

Not exactly "works or doesn't."

absolutely low levels like -10 will cause dropouts or pixellation on digital channels although good levels don't guarantee no dropouts. you can have 0db and have a cellphone or other source of interference wipeout your picture.

in the analog would a -5 signal would give you a grainy picture while a +5 would give you a good picture. in the digital world a -5 or +5 would yield the identical picture. the original poster carl2580 seem to be under the impression higher levels yields less compression.

Hey guys, I'm thinking about making the switch from TWC to Verizon and have a question... Does Verizon have any type of free Kids On Demand services similar to the ones offered by TWC?

Some of my searching would indicate that it does but there's no mention as to price (if any) or what type of selection they have.

TWC has a pretty large selection of Kids on Demand shows, e.g., PBS Sprout and the like.

Thanks

Hey guys, I'm thinking about making the switch from TWC to Verizon and have a question... Does Verizon have any type of free Kids On Demand services similar to the ones offered by TWC?

Some of my searching would indicate that it does but there's no mention as to price (if any) or what type of selection they have.

TWC has a pretty large selection of Kids on Demand shows, e.g., PBS Sprout and the like.

Thanks
I believe they do. IIRC my sister in PA uses Kids on Demand. Not sure what shows or channels are available on there.

Also, does Verizon need to run new wires inside my house or can they use the current TWC wiring? I have all my wiring VERY neatly tucked away using Wiremold and would absolutely HATE to have to re-do this.

Hey guys, I'm thinking about making the switch from TWC to Verizon and have a question... Does Verizon have any type of free Kids On Demand services similar to the ones offered by TWC?

Some of my searching would indicate that it does but there's no mention as to price (if any) or what type of selection they have.

TWC has a pretty large selection of Kids on Demand shows, e.g., PBS Sprout and the like.

Thanks
Kids on Demand - Free, is on VOD. Boomerang and Cartoon are among the offerings. PBS Sprout is there.

Also, does Verizon need to run new wires inside my house or can they use the current TWC wiring? I have all my wiring VERY neatly tucked away using Wiremold and would absolutely HATE to have to re-do this.

FIOS Fiber goes to your exterior or interior wall depending whether you are in a house or apartment. They will install an ONT (Optical Network Terminal) where they terminate the fiber.

Standard installation includes laying of coaxial cable of the type used by cable operators from the ONT to the set top box.

In my case they cut the TW cable just outside my apt. They drew it in, spliced a new connector and connected it to the ONT. Seamless.

FIOS Fiber goes to your exterior or interior wall depending whether you are in a house or apartment. They will install an ONT (Optical Network Terminal) where they terminate the fiber.

Standard installation includes laying of coaxial cable of the type used by cable operators from the ONT to the set top box.

In my case they cut the TW cable just outside my apt. They drew it in, spliced a new connector and connected it to the ONT. Seamless.

Just so I'm clear, Verizon CAN use the existing cable inside my house?

The only reason I'm so concerned is because we just re-painted the house and spent HOURS running all of our cables through WireMold's Cord Mate II (http://www.wiremold.com/diy/products/cordmate_2.asp) sections and attaching to the wall.

If we have mess with the cables again, it could be a deal breaker for us.

Note: Prior to your post, I contacted Verizon via the chat support on their website and they told me that they do use the existing cable. However, because I am so used to TWC's lack of knowledgeable customer service reps, I am hesitant to believe the Verizon CSR.

Just so I'm clear, Verizon CAN use the existing cable inside my house?

The only reason I'm so concerned is because we just re-painted the house and spent HOURS running all of our cables through WireMold's Cord Mate II (http://www.wiremold.com/diy/products/cordmate_2.asp) sections and attaching to the wall.

If we have mess with the cables again, it could be a deal breaker for us.

Note: Prior to your post, I contacted Verizon via the chat support on their website and they told me that they do use the existing cable. However, because I am so used to TWC's lack of knowledgeable customer service reps, I am hesitant to believe the Verizon CSR.

They did in my apartment. I have to think they would do that with your house. I have a single connection - no splitter. If your cabling is recent and you're getting a good signal to each set top box, I can't imagine they would recable.

You should get a call from the installer a few hours before he arrives. He / she will answer your question. Be prepared for your other or yourself to spend a full day at home, even without coax install. The indoor fiber they use can be dodgy if it came from a bad run. Thin insulation and the manufacturer does not take great care in winding the fiber. They get crimped and fail. I had 3 failed fiber runs from the hub in the far compactor room. The install tech has some amazing equipment that hopefully you won't have to see.

If you are in a house, you will probably get a thicker insulated fiber run from a utility pole to the ONT. Try to visualize where you want him to install the ONT. They will listen. If you leave it to the installer, the ONT will be installed where the present TW connection enters the house.

Just so I'm clear, Verizon CAN use the existing cable inside my house?

The only reason I'm so concerned is because we just re-painted the house and spent HOURS running all of our cables through WireMold's Cord Mate II (http://www.wiremold.com/diy/products/cordmate_2.asp) sections and attaching to the wall.

If we have mess with the cables again, it could be a deal breaker for us.

Note: Prior to your post, I contacted Verizon via the chat support on their website and they told me that they do use the existing cable. However, because I am so used to TWC's lack of knowledgeable customer service reps, I am hesitant to believe the Verizon CSR.

I'll probably opt for new coax. From where they mostly likely will mount the ONT, there's a 30 year old TWC run that has metal staples every 2 feet like clockwork. Apparently, this CAN cause some frequency based interference that CAN degrade some channels.

What is the size of the ONT? I'm curious because the simple thing is to mount it right next to my front door, where the fiber can come in from the hallway. BUT, that will be up high. Another option would be to run the fiber another dozen or so feet so the ONT gets installed inside my coat closet.

Oh, assuming y'all have IP as well, are there 2 RG59 runs out of the ONT along with a telco type wire? AND does the ONT need A/C in any way?

I'll probably opt for new coax. From where they mostly likely will mount the ONT, there's a 30 year old TWC run that has metal staples every 2 feet like clockwork. Apparently, this CAN cause some frequency based interference that CAN degrade some channels.

What is the size of the ONT? I'm curious because the simple thing is to mount it right next to my front door, where the fiber can come in from the hallway. BUT, that will be up high. Another option would be to run the fiber another dozen or so feet so the ONT gets installed inside my coat closet.

Oh, assuming y'all have IP as well, are there 2 RG59 runs out of the ONT along with a telco type wire? AND does the ONT need A/C in any way?

The internal ONT is 18x11x4 including the FIOS maintained battery backup unit. The ONT requires A/C. FIOS will want to use the closet closest to your hallway where, presumably, the fiber enters your apartment. The ONT has 2 panels of green LEDs. One LED flashes continuously. My ONT uses the following I/O. RJ11 for the phone, coax to the splitter (STB / Actiontec). It also has an unused CAT5 and who knows what else.

I don't know what an RG59 is.

As fr as your existing cable, the tech can run a test from the ONT to the STB. Your 30 year old cable may be part of the reason your TW is grim.

Ah, thanks for the ONT info. Fiber would have to run into my foyer closet. There's RJ11 in there to hook into my "telco" wiring. RG59 is kinda standard co-ox used for copper runs to my TV.

What about IP (how does your computer hook in)? CAT5 is Ethernet, so logic tells me that is where it should go. Which "should" mean I don't need to split the co-ax.

Ah, thanks for the ONT info. Fiber would have to run into my foyer closet. There's RJ11 in there to hook into my "telco" wiring. RG59 is kinda standard co-ox used for copper runs to my TV.

What about IP (how does your computer hook in)? CAT5 is Ethernet, so logic tells me that is where it should go. Which "should" mean I don't need to split the co-ax.

I had a unique circumstance that prevented full phone service, no outgoing caller ID, from the house wiring.

The solution - single RJ-11 to a jack at the end of my kitchen. From there to a Panny Dect 6.0 base/phone with 2 remote units. No WIFI interference. Way to go.

Ah, thanks for the ONT info. Fiber would have to run into my foyer closet. There's RJ11 in there to hook into my "telco" wiring. RG59 is kinda standard co-ox used for copper runs to my TV.

What about IP (how does your computer hook in)? CAT5 is Ethernet, so logic tells me that is where it should go. Which "should" mean I don't need to split the co-ax.

The Actiontec router replaces both your cable modem and your router. The Actiontec has 4 LAN nodes, RG 59 and WIFI. Theoretically you can substitute CAT5 for RG59. However, in doing so, you would lose VOD and Program Guide. The system relies on MoCA to relay this information.

From the Wiki article on MoCA:
The Multimedia over Coax Alliance develops specifications for home networking over in-home coaxial cable, which is commonly used for antenna connections to TVs and radios, and cable TV.

The goal of the Multimedia over Coax Alliance (MoCA for short) is to facilitate home networking on existing coaxial cable in the 1 GHz microwave band, using OFDM modulation. This cable can be used for data connections to televisions, set-top boxes, and other entertainment devices without the need for new connections. The technology underlying MoCA provides the elements necessary to use this cable to distribute high-quality multimedia content and high-speed data, with throughput exceeding 100 Mbit/s

Ah, when you said "splitter" I thought of the most simple of devices, splitting co-ax into two lines from one.

Never knew much about MoCA... one "issue" I have is that at this point to avail myself of certain services (like Netflix streaming directly to my HT-TV) I would have to run CAT5/6 across my entire apartment (think computer setup at one end, HT-TV as far away as it can be) so I could end up with IP beside my TV. It seems that even with MoCA, I'd still have to do that... or go powerline IP transmission.

Then again, I also realize this is all moot for me as I'm almost losing confidence I'll see FiOS here anytime soon. I'm trying to follow Empire street openings, but I'm reasoning I'll need to see activity on WEA first and I don't see any permits for anything even vaguely close to me ON WEA.

Ah, when you said "splitter" I thought of the most simple of devices, splitting co-ax into two lines from one.

Never knew much about MoCA... one "issue" I have is that at this point to avail myself of certain services (like Netflix streaming directly to my HT-TV) I would have to run CAT5/6 across my entire apartment (think computer setup at one end, HT-TV as far away as it can be) so I could end up with IP beside my TV. It seems that even with MoCA, I'd still have to do that... or go powerline IP transmission.

Then again, I also realize this is all moot for me as I'm almost losing confidence I'll see FiOS here anytime soon. I'm trying to follow Empire street openings, but I'm reasoning I'll need to see activity on WEA first and I don't see any permits for anything even vaguely close to me ON WEA.

IIRC, even with TW, if you had both video and Roadrunner, cable modem output needed to be split to service both, one to the STB, one to your router.

Then, there is split signal to multiple STBs, which, depending on the number of splices, can degrade signal.

With FIOS, at the outset, you have the ONT which is a different animal than the cable modem. Yet, you do a similar+ split, to the Actiontec router and the STB.

Well my install is set for this Friday... I'll let you know how it all turns out. Hopefully they do a nice, clean job.

Anyone watch the baseball playoffs last night on TBSHD?

I’m curious since TW had tremendous audio dropouts throughout all the games and video freezing. I’m switching from TW to Fios tomorrow and I’m wondering if this was a TBS problem or local TW problem.

TIA

Anyone watch the baseball playoffs last night on TBSHD?

I’m curious since TW had tremendous audio dropouts throughout all the games and video freezing. I’m switching from TW to Fios tomorrow and I’m wondering if this was a TBS problem or local TW problem.

TIA

It was perfect on FIOS.

It was perfect on FIOS.Great!!! :) I kind of figured that after reading the TBS national thread. It was impossible to watch on TW.
Thanks!

Does anyone have any info for FIOS on 101 West End Ave on the upper west side of manhattan? 64th street.

I already have FiOS Internet and phone. I'm having TV installed Saturday. What exactly do they have to do? My ONT is in the basement. I'm having a TV in the basement and 2nd floor connected. My router is in an office on the 3rd floor with no TV. I do not want the router moved from the office since the computer that's hooked up to it does not have wireless.

Does anyone have any info for FIOS on 101 West End Ave on the upper west side of manhattan? 64th street.

I'm off WEA but farther north, 104th. Through business contacts I have heard for most of 09 that my nabe would get FiOS this past August. That "source" seems dried up now... clearly, they didn't make it.

Logically it was very plausible as I know Verizon has a major, well equipped center right around Columbia.

It seems the trick is to try and follow street openings, I think first Empire Subway opens the street to lay conduit, then Verizon runs the fiber.

Last month, it seems a bunch of such activity happened in Morningside Heights.

My GUESS is once you see such activity along WEA, it should be available. Probably only in buildings with a LOT of units. I have a friend in the East Village, which was one of the initial nabes they "covered." EXCEPT he lives on a block of 5 story buildings and still it isn't available while mere blocks away it is... in large buildings with MANY units.

I already have FiOS Internet and phone. I'm having TV installed Saturday. What exactly do they have to do? My ONT is in the basement. I'm having a TV in the basement and 2nd floor connected. My router is in an office on the 3rd floor with no TV. I do not want the router moved from the office since the computer that's hooked up to it does not have wireless.

I'd guess they'd need to run co-ax from the ONT to you TVs.

I'm off WEA but farther north, 104th. Through business contacts I have heard for most of 09 that my nabe would get FiOS this past August. That "source" seems dried up now... clearly, they didn't make it.

Logically it was very plausible as I know Verizon has a major, well equipped center right around Columbia.

It seems the trick is to try and follow street openings, I think first Empire Subway opens the street to lay conduit, then Verizon runs the fiber.

Last month, it seems a bunch of such activity happened in Morningside Heights.

My GUESS is once you see such activity along WEA, it should be available. Probably only in buildings with a LOT of units. I have a friend in the East Village, which was one of the initial nabes they "covered." EXCEPT he lives on a block of 5 story buildings and still it isn't available while mere blocks away it is... in large buildings with MANY units.

All that activity only really means they are getting the fiber into the conduit system in the nieghborhood. Actually getting into the buildings is dependent upon reaching an agreement with the building owner. The best way to find out if FIOS is coming is by talking to your landlord or co-op board and asking if they are talking to Verizon. If they aren't it us up to you to tell them you want FIOS.

VZ is looking to get into the buildings and all they need is permission. The easiest way to get that permsission is when there are tenants asking their landlords for the service.

What’s up with this HDMI hand shake issue, regarding their set top box and certain brand displays? I’m new to Fios and have tried reading up on it but I don’t recall hearing about this?

Just had my install today and boy this pisses me off. I have HDMI in long runs set up specifically in the walls etc. I can’t just swap out component cable to make it work. I was told that my area would have the upgrade by 10/20. If I had known, I would’ve waited.

I'd guess they'd need to run co-ax from the ONT to you TVs.

Thanks. I've actually postponed the install until I research more. The FiOS DVR with it's 160GB HD and no support for my external drive is scaring me right now.

Thanks. I've actually postponed the install until I research more. The FiOS DVR with it's 160GB HD and no support for my external drive is scaring me right now.
I had intermittent HDMI problems with TW on my present video. Fios guy hooked me HDMI. As soon as he left I yanked it and plugged in my trusted component cables. I can't see a difference. Nothing not curable in TV settings.

All that activity only really means they are getting the fiber into the conduit system in the nieghborhood. Actually getting into the buildings is dependent upon reaching an agreement with the building owner. The best way to find out if FIOS is coming is by talking to your landlord or co-op board and asking if they are talking to Verizon. If they aren't it us up to you to tell them you want FIOS.

VZ is looking to get into the buildings and all they need is permission. The easiest way to get that permsission is when there are tenants asking their landlords for the service.

Oh, I'm very aware of that... but one must have those trunk lines before anything else happens. As for individual buildings, evidence I spoke of indicates Verizon may not even talking to building owners on streets with a lot of 5 story buildings... it seems pretty clear they are very much going after big multi-unit buildings first. We have indications from my sources this is an unspoken of policy. Much as I hate it, it does make business sense.

I'm on my board, I HAVE got my fellow board members ready, we have had some talks with Verizon (we offered to be a distribution point, we are equidistant from 2 avenues and 2 side streets), they DID indicate the nabe would be ready by this past August, they HAVE gone silent since August.

What’s up with this HDMI hand shake issue, regarding their set top box and certain brand displays? I’m new to Fios and have tried reading up on it but I don’t recall hearing about this?

Just had my install today and boy this pisses me off. I have HDMI in long runs set up specifically in the walls etc. I can’t just swap out component cable to make it work. I was told that my area would have the upgrade by 10/20. If I had known, I would’ve waited.

A software upgrade to your DVRs?

For a variety of issues, I'm starting to take a closer look at TiVO... especially considering it seems FiOS charges 16/mo for DVR. BUT, multi-room actually means something to you, right?

Hey guys, just to follow up on my switch from TWC to Verizon yesterday...

My install went very well with no real issues other than the minor quirks you'd expect during an installation. I was able to keep my existing coax.
The install took a total of about 8 hours from the time the van pulled up until he walked out the door. I had the telephone, internet and 4 televisions connected.

The installer was very professional, knowledgeable and seemed to really care about all of my concerns, so much so, I plan on sending an email to Verizon to compliment his performance.

As for the service itself, the internet is blazing fast, I'm averaging 25/20. I am experiencing some page load issues which appears to be DNS related and I am working through that.

As for the picture quality, again in my very limited and non-videophile experience thus far, both the HD and SD are much better than TWC. My exact words when I watched my first HD channel on Fios was, "This blows TWC out of the water."

Thanks for all of your help in my transition!

DO write that e-mail, I'm all for pointing out really good service!

25/20??? I thougnt standard was 25/5?

25/20??? I thougnt standard was 25/5?

The plan I signed up with has a stated speed of 25/15.

A software upgrade to your DVRs?

For a variety of issues, I'm starting to take a closer look at TiVO... especially considering it seems FiOS charges 16/mo for DVR. BUT, multi-room actually means something to you, right?Hey RG, thanks for the kind words on our TW thread.

Regarding the download, the Fios guide is more involved than TWs. They actually have a message area which informs the customer of any downloads or activities, as opposed to TW just rebooting our box and for us to have to get into diagnostics to determined if we’ve been changed.

Aside form my HDMI issue I had a similar experience to realdeal1115. :cool:


As far as Tivo, they also have the multi room capability and I will get it in several months, after the upgraded model is released. Then I will jump in for two big ones with lifetime subscriptions.

DO write that e-mail, I'm all for pointing out really good service!

25/20??? I thougnt standard was 25/5?

The plan I signed up with has a stated speed of 25/15.

I believe the 25/15 is the standard issue. I also have seen higher results on Speakeasy.

Hey guys, have any of you switched over from TWC and if so, what did you do about the Early Termination Fee? Yes, I signed up for a 2-year deal and I was aware of the ETF so let's get passed that. I feel that my service from TWC was sub-par, had it not been, I would never have switched.

I just called TWC to cancel my service. The rep was very pleasant and didn't even bring up the ETF, as a matter of fact during our conversation she said "ok, so you were in a contract so no problem there"... whatever that means. :confused:

Anyhow, I am sure my final bill will have the ETF charge. Have any of you been able to avoid paying this fee? Any tricks I should be aware of?

I believe the 25/15 is the standard issue. I also have seen higher results on Speakeasy.

It's 25/15 with the $5 upgrade for me. I've been getting 26.5 /22.5. I've found Speakeasy to be not very reliable > 15 on the downstream.

http://www.speedtest.net is the place to go. I'm getting better results from the Secaucus server than the New York server.

Hey guys, have any of you switched over from TWC and if so, what did you do about the Early Termination Fee? Yes, I signed up for a 2-year deal and I was aware of the ETF so let's get passed that. I feel that my service from TWC was sub-par, had it not been, I would never have switched.

I just called TWC to cancel my service. The rep was very pleasant and didn't even bring up the ETF, as a matter of fact during our conversation she said "ok, so you were in a contract so no problem there"... whatever that means. :confused:

Anyhow, I am sure my final bill will have the ETF charge. Have any of you been able to avoid paying this fee? Any tricks I should be aware of?

No ETF here. But I had no contract. When I returned the modem and STB, the agent at 23rd Street asked why I was terminating. All I said was FIOS. No further questions.

Hey RG, thanks for the kind words on our TW thread.

Regarding the download, the Fios guide is more involved than TWs. They actually have a message area which informs the customer of any downloads or activities, as opposed to TW just rebooting our box and for us to have to get into diagnostics to determined if we’ve been changed.

Aside form my HDMI issue I had a similar experience to realdeal1115. :cool:


As far as Tivo, they also have the multi room capability and I will get it in several months, after the upgraded model is released. Then I will jump in for two big ones with lifetime subscriptions.

LL3D - Welcome Aboard. Nice to have someone else who actually has the service posting regularly.

Is your location house or apartment ? If house could you relate something about the ONT install?

I find the Verizon FIOS TV and Verizon Fiber Optics forums at http://www.dslreports.com/forums/54 to be indispensible.

FIOS is presently rolling out 1.7 software - we now have 1.6 - for the STB nationwide. But, presently on hold due to bugginess in Ca and Tx.

There is a mobile phone formatted web page , http://m.verizon.com, where you can choose shows to record remotely.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22990374-DVR-random-picturesound-drop-out

As far as Tivo, they also have the multi room capability and I will get it in several months, after the upgraded model is released. Then I will jump in for two big ones with lifetime subscriptions.

One thing that concerned me was the whole "what if it breaks?" Here's what I found out:

90 day full warranty. One year parts. $50 charge between 90 and 1 year. After that... TiVO is totally silent on that. Caught someone who spent 150 bucks. Many said they bought re-furbs.. 200 bucks.

Series 4 has many unknowns... most info seems speculation... like will it or won't it be <tru2way>, will it come out mid next year or not. I recall the same speculation a year ago.

3 year sub works out to 8.33/mo. Lifetime is 4 yrs @ 8.33/mo.

I'm starting to think about dropped all movie channels and getting a LG BD player and a Netflix sub, and a router, they seems to have a very big roster of streaming movies and a pal says never a hiccup... and he is standard TWC IP!

No Rangers/Knicks/Devils/Nets in HD for you... BUT you get HDNet right?

LL3D - Welcome Aboard. Nice to have someone else who actually has the service posting regularly.Thanks, ;) I’ll be here, reading and posting.

Is your location house or apartment ? If house could you relate something about the ONT install?I’m in a house. They were going to put the ONT in the front of my house which wouldn’t look good. Then they wanted to put it in my driveway. This could cause potential damage since a vehicle could side swipe it. Finally I had them install it towards my backyard in the least conspicuous place.

They ran new fiber from a main telephone pole a few houses away where the fiber was located. It was run all the way to the ONT and then they connected the existing coax already set up to the interior of my house. The battery back up and router were set up in a room behind a table out of the way. They used all new connectors and splitters.



I find the Verizon FIOS TV and Verizon Fiber Optics forums at http://www.dslreports.com/forums/54 to be indispensible.

FIOS is presently rolling out 1.7 software - we now have 1.6 - for the STB nationwide. But, presently on hold due to bugginess in Ca and Tx.

There is a mobile phone formatted web page , http://m.verizon.com, where you can choose shows to record remotely.Thanks for the tips.:cool: I’ll have to join up over there and start reading. I’m so used to AVS. I’ll have to broaden my forums. I’m surprised that this thread isn’t more active. I guess all the folks new to HD and Fios bypass AVS and go straight to these broadband threads. Most people here are converts, formerly with TW, CV, Satellite etc.

No Rangers/Knicks/Devils/Nets in HD for you... BUT you get HDNet right?Yeah, no Knicks in HD... HDNet movies was the first channel I put (back) on. :)

Thanks, ;) I’ll be here, reading and posting.

I’m in a house. They were going to put the ONT in the front of my house which wouldn’t look good. Then they wanted to put it in my driveway. This could cause potential damage since a vehicle could side swipe it. Finally I had them install it towards my backyard in the least conspicuous place.

They ran new fiber from a main telephone pole a few houses away where the fiber was located. It was run all the way to the ONT and then they connected the existing coax already set up to the interior of my house. The battery back up and router were set up in a room behind a table out of the way. They used all new connectors and splitters.


Thanks for the tips.:cool: I’ll have to join up over there and start reading. I’m so used to AVS. I’ll have to broaden my forums. I’m surprised that this thread isn’t more active. I guess all the folks new to HD and Fios bypass AVS and go straight to these broadband threads. Most people here are converts, formerly with TW, CV, Satellite etc. Those forums are good for the big picture, faq etc. FIOS techs hang there. Never needed to post there. All my questions asked and answered.

Those forums are good for the big picture, faq etc. FIOS techs hang there. Never needed to post there. All my questions asked and answered.

Curious... using the MotoDVR from Verizon? Ever thought of FiOS? Opinions on FiOS as a FiOS customer?

In our buildings' elevators yesterday I saw a notice that Verizon FIOS is coming to our building! We already have RCN & TWC. I'am with RCN and pretty happy with them. I would love to see what deals Verizon will offer to get us to switch.
What I really like to know is how FIOS HD picture quality compares to RCN.
They will be installing fiber optic in our building over the next eight weeks.

Curious... using the MotoDVR from Verizon? Ever thought of FiOS? Opinions on FiOS as a FiOS customer?

Explain please ? The Moto DVR operates on FIOS. FIOS is Verizon. I've been giving opinions on FIOS here since I got it.

Explain please ? The Moto DVR operates on FIOS. FIOS is Verizon. I've been giving opinions on FIOS here since I got it.

Sorry, brain fart... MEANT to say TiVO, should have read:

Ever thought of TiVO? Opinions on TiVO as a FiOS customer?

Sorry, brain fart... MEANT to say TiVO, should have read:

Ever thought of TiVO? Opinions on TiVO as a FiOS customer?
Haven't used TIVO since the first TW SciAtl DVR hit 23rd Street.

Curious... using the MotoDVR from Verizon? Ever thought of Tivo? Opinions on Tivo as a FiOS customer?

There, I changed it for you in the quote :)

I just switched from TWC to FIOS, and in the process I decided to just go with Tivo from the start. Verizon had no problem with that, though apparently it's not a very common thing for them to deal with, but hardly unknown either. I bought two Tivos so I could have one for the living room and one for the bedroom. Each got an M-card from Verizon. Setup took just a bit longer due to having the installer call the central office to configure the cable cards. Otherwise it's done and works great.

I wanted to go Tivo because I was so very sick of the TWC DVRs with their buggy software. I had heard Verizon DVRs had issues of their own, so it was Tivo for me. I love it. It's night and day compared to my TWC days. Changing channels is quick, the guide information is far more detailed, the multi-room viewing just works, the features you get with Tivo blow the cable company boxes away.

I got the Series 3 HD XL models that come with 1TB of storage (but if you want to connect an external hard drive in addition, hey, no problem). These things are fast, silent and work just the way you want them to. I highly recommend them.

... I bought two Tivos so I could have one for the living room and one for the bedroom. Each got an M-card from Verizon.
boxes away.

I got the Series 3 HD XL models that come with 1TB of storage (but if you want to connect an external hard drive in addition, hey, no problem). These things are fast, silent and work just the way you want them to. I highly recommend them.
That’s good to know. I’m interested in comparing the costs between your method (2 Tivo HDXL 1Tb with lifetime) to a Verizon Multi-room DVR with an additional HD STB. Did you go with the lifetime membership? I know the Tivo package would be about 2 grand. The Verizon system would deduct about $26 per month. How much are the M cards?

I've yet to get my first Verizon bill, so I'm not sure how much I'll be charged for the M cards, but the estimates I've heard never exceeded $4/month.

Yes, I went with lifetime service on the Tivos. Might not be cost-effective until years down the road, but I liked the idea of not being billed for them on a monthly basis. And you do get a discount on lifetime service when you sign up for a second unit. $100 off? Something like that.

So pricey, but it's done and it's premium service for the price. I cannot believe how much more fun these boxes are. And hey, no more glitches! They just work!

I've yet to get my first Verizon bill, so I'm not sure how much I'll be charged for the M cards, but the estimates I've heard never exceeded $4/month.

Yes, I went with lifetime service on the Tivos. Might not be cost-effective until years down the road, but I liked the idea of not being billed for them on a monthly basis. And you do get a discount on lifetime service when you sign up for a second unit. $100 off? Something like that.

So pricey, but it's done and it's premium service for the price. I cannot believe how much more fun these boxes are. And hey, no more glitches! They just work!
Definitely sounds like the way to go. :cool:

I’m stuck with this absurd frustrating problem with the HDMI and the Verizon box. I have been working my way through the Verizon chain hoping to get one of their better technicians. I might be able to get someone to come over Thursday.

That said, it’s even more of a reason to jump into a Tivo but I think I’m going to hold off a bit, maybe until next spring, for a couple of reasons.

Yes, if you can wait for the new generation, why not? For me it was do it now or suffer some more while I waited and I got tired of the waiting.

For what it's worth, I'm using HDMI to my TVs, no problems at all.

There, I changed it for you in the quote :)

I just switched from TWC to FIOS, and in the process I decided to just go with Tivo from the start. Verizon had no problem with that, though apparently it's not a very common thing for them to deal with, but hardly unknown either. I bought two Tivos so I could have one for the living room and one for the bedroom. Each got an M-card from Verizon. Setup took just a bit longer due to having the installer call the central office to configure the cable cards. Otherwise it's done and works great.

I wanted to go Tivo because I was so very sick of the TWC DVRs with their buggy software. I had heard Verizon DVRs had issues of their own, so it was Tivo for me. I love it. It's night and day compared to my TWC days. Changing channels is quick, the guide information is far more detailed, the multi-room viewing just works, the features you get with Tivo blow the cable company boxes away.

I got the Series 3 HD XL models that come with 1TB of storage (but if you want to connect an external hard drive in addition, hey, no problem). These things are fast, silent and work just the way you want them to. I highly recommend them.
Obviously, you won't need the Verizon guide having the TIVO Guide. What about VOD ? I've heard that TIVO doesn't do MOCA. VOD and FIOS Guide need data, data need MOCA.

Parenthetically, if you don't need Moca, you don't need coax from the ONT. A call to FIOS tech will switch your active video output from MOCA-COAX to CAT5.

I haven't had any serious miscues by the Moto box, like failed or partial scheduled recordings, so I'll stay with the Moto box.

Yes, that's true, I gave up Video on Demand by going with Tivo. I don't mind since I have other options for getting video on demand, such as Netflix through Tivo, or my Apple TV. But if you are a heavy VOD user, this is a real factor to consider.

I've yet to get my first Verizon bill, so I'm not sure how much I'll be charged for the M cards, but the estimates I've heard never exceeded $4/month.

Yes, I went with lifetime service on the Tivos. Might not be cost-effective until years down the road, but I liked the idea of not being billed for them on a monthly basis. And you do get a discount on lifetime service when you sign up for a second unit. $100 off? Something like that.

So pricey, but it's done and it's premium service for the price. I cannot believe how much more fun these boxes are. And hey, no more glitches! They just work!

Been running numbers, FiOS charges 16/mo for DVR service (per STB I assume), TiVO lifetime is 8.33/mo for 4 years, free after that. They have a 3 year plan which also run 8.33/mo over 3 years.

Hardware warranty is 90 days full, parts for 1 year. There seems to be no extended warranty from TiVO, if people have issues after the year, the sweem to mostly buy refurbs (200 for the 160G model).

One CAN start with a 200 buck refurb and add in a 1T drive that will cost you about 100 bucks. The XL model also comes with a learning remote, but it is avaiklable for 50 bucks separately.

And I just got my first bill and, yes, it's $4/month for the M cards (each).

For what it's worth, the bill looks correct. Nothing got messed up.

Been running numbers, FiOS charges 16/mo for DVR service (per STB I assume), TiVO lifetime is 8.33/mo for 4 years, free after that. They have a 3 year plan which also run 8.33/mo over 3 years.

Hardware warranty is 90 days full, parts for 1 year. There seems to be no extended warranty from TiVO, if people have issues after the year, the sweem to mostly buy refurbs (200 for the 160G model).

One CAN start with a 200 buck refurb and add in a 1T drive that will cost you about 100 bucks. The XL model also comes with a learning remote, but it is avaiklable for 50 bucks separately.

And I just got my first bill and, yes, it's $4/month for the M cards (each).

For what it's worth, the bill looks correct. Nothing got messed up.
I haven’t received my first bill yet but if I understand these numbers-- I should be paying $19.99 per month (after my three month promo) for my Multi room HDDVR and $5.99 for an additional HD STB—

$26 per month total.

The two Tivos with M cards and lifetime membership is—

$25 per month.

Obviously this does not include the cost for the Tivos or an actual comparison of the features-- size of the hard drives VOD, ease of use, etc.

As I’ve discussed, I would love to go Tivo now, especially because of the Verizon HDMI issue, which should be resolved in a few days, however, I’ll wait to see the new Tivo version. Besides, I talked my wife into switching from TW to Fios to save a few bucks. I can’t justify a 2 grand (or less) Tivo charge. :o ;)

And I just got my first bill and, yes, it's $4/month for the M cards (each).

For what it's worth, the bill looks correct. Nothing got messed up.

Hmm, I thought M cards were multi-stream. Which I also thought means you only need one card to cover the 2 tuners. If one only got single stream cards, one would need one for each tuner, thus two.

I know about "saving 16 bucks DVR service fee" but without DVR service, with a triple play, I think the cost of a standard box is in the price. So do you get money off for NOT getting a non DVR box? OR, should you not have Verizon supply a non DVR box... which CAN have it's value when three things you want to see are on at the same time.

Yes, M cards are multi-stream and thus you only need one for each Tivo (leaving the other slot empty).

And it's true that I'm limited to taping two shows at once. Not sure if I'm getting much of a break by not taking a Verizon box. To be honest, with all of the intro pricing and special deals, it's hard to keep it all straight. So yes, I'm getting a discount off the normal price by not renting a box from Verizon, but I'm not sure how much. If you want to be able to watch three things simultaneously, maybe it would make sense to rent a box from them too. Hard to say. Not something that comes up for me so it's not an issue for me.

Oh, I'm very aware of that... but one must have those trunk lines before anything else happens. As for individual buildings, evidence I spoke of indicates Verizon may not even talking to building owners on streets with a lot of 5 story buildings... it seems pretty clear they are very much going after big multi-unit buildings first. We have indications from my sources this is an unspoken of policy. Much as I hate it, it does make business sense.

I'm on my board, I HAVE got my fellow board members ready, we have had some talks with Verizon (we offered to be a distribution point, we are equidistant from 2 avenues and 2 side streets), they DID indicate the nabe would be ready by this past August, they HAVE gone silent since August.

There is no plan to avoid the smaller buildings, but the smaller buildings do present a problem in NYC due to the numerous contiguous "Rights of Way" they must secure to place cable along the rear walls of each of those buildings. The larger structures are easier because it is a single negotiation and a single entrance into the building that is independent of the rest of the buildings on the block. Sending a seperate entrance into 20 5 story walk up's on a block would bankrupt them due to the enormous cost of building a conduit entrance into each location. Having a single entrance into the block and then spanning the rear walls is a much more viable business model, but it comes with the challenge of securing those rights.

They will ultimately build it all out, but some architecture types will take longer than others.

Yes, M cards are multi-stream and thus you only need one for each Tivo (leaving the other slot empty).

And it's true that I'm limited to taping two shows at once. Not sure if I'm getting much of a break by not taking a Verizon box. To be honest, with all of the intro pricing and special deals, it's hard to keep it all straight. So yes, I'm getting a discount off the normal price by not renting a box from Verizon, but I'm not sure how much. If you want to be able to watch three things simultaneously, maybe it would make sense to rent a box from them too. Hard to say. Not something that comes up for me so it's not an issue for me.

Truth be told I lost sight of the fact you had 2 TiVO's when I asked about M-cards... I was only looking at you paying 8 bucks or 2 M cards!

Another option for a "third" show is having a TV with a QAM tuner. One CAN watch a network show live and record 2 other channels simultaneously.

I just wish both TWC & FiOS were forced to be more transparent and straightforward on pricing.

Yes, and I guess that's the other way to record three things at once: have 2 Tivos! Heck, I can record 4 things at once, and with multi-room viewing it doesn't matter which box I use.

Last night I had fun pulling a movie off one of the Tivos to my Mac. No trouble at all. It's now on my iPod. Try doing THAT with a company box!

I posted this on the other Fios thread here on AVS with no bites. Figure I'd drop my line in this pool....

I’m using the Fios Multi room DVR with component cables and have a problem. The box seems to switch from 1080 to 480i on its own-- frequently.

I’ll be watching something and all of a sudden it looks soft. I go into settings and see that it’s back on 480. I’ll reset it to 1080 and later on it will reoccur.

Not sure if it’s an issue with component cables, however, they are pushing through an update here this week that will enable the HDMI cable to finally function properly. I’ll probably have them swap out the box this week too.

Any ideas?

The only good thing about Time Warner was the local TW thread here on AVS. That place is always abuzz with problems, solutions and chitchat. This place is a dead zone.:confused::rolleyes:

I guess that’s good for one thing—few problems.

I found the “new message” icon today on my guide informing me of something new, unfortunately it has nothing to do with HDMI functionality. This isn’t good. I’ll be calling my local Fios technician tomorrow to find out if this it is still happening this week.

The only good thing about Time Warner was the local TW thread here on AVS. That place is always abuzz with problems, solutions and chitchat. This place is a dead zone.:confused::rolleyes:

I guess that’s good for one thing—few problems.

Lol... I hear ya!


I found the “new message” icon today on my guide informing me of something new, unfortunately it has nothing to do with HDMI functionality. This isn’t good. I’ll be calling my local Fios technician tomorrow to find out if this it is still happening this week.

Let us know how you make out Larry.

Lol... I hear ya!



Let us know how you make out Larry.

There is something to be said for peace and quiet.

I left a couple links for Fios at DSLReports.com last week. You'll get the quickest heads up there when the 1.7 software is released. There are several NYC users posting there and complaining about the usual stuff. MSG-HD, MSNBC, etc. Are we all getting MSNBC on 103 or is it just Manhattan?

That message was for MediaManager for Mac which Mac users have been waiting for. I can now play out my iTunes through my TV or big speakers without additional wiring. It does photos too.

Windows users have had it for months.

My STB froze upon install. Easily cured with a web induced reset from the Verizon site

I left a couple links for Fios at DSLReports.com last week.
http://www.dslreports.com/forums/54
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22990374-DVR-random-picturesound-drop-out
Yes, I have them bookmarked.;) I have visited there but not as regularly as this place.

I spoke to a technician today regarding my situation. He said he would let me know tomorrow about the update. I’d hate to go back to TW but I cannot continue here without the use of HDMI.

Yes, I have them bookmarked.;) I have visited there but not as regularly as this place.

I spoke to a technician today regarding my situation. He said he would let me know tomorrow about the update. I’d hate to go back to TW but I cannot continue here without the use of HDMI.

Have you thought about HDMI - Composite converter ?

Let us know when 1.7 is coming.

NYC traffic cam widget:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/200910221117PR_NEWS_USPR_____NY97215.htm

Widget will ultimately have:
# Cultural and recreational events
# Yellow taxi lost and found
# Bus or subway updates and schedules
# Alternate side-of-the-street parking and assistance
# Street and bridge information
# School closures

Widgets require MOCA, Tivo fans

Yes, and I guess that's the other way to record three things at once: have 2 Tivos! Heck, I can record 4 things at once, and with multi-room viewing it doesn't matter which box I use.

Last night I had fun pulling a movie off one of the Tivos to my Mac. No trouble at all. It's now on my iPod. Try doing THAT with a company box!

Just found out that I can pull recorded programming from my TiVo to my computer so that I can burn it to DVD. Very cool because I need to make space on my TiVO. Going to buy a second one for multiroom use.

I'm the head of a 144 unit bldg on UWS. We met with Verizon rep in July/August. At that time, he thought they would be "live" here by September. I knew that meant January/February. Have not seen Verizon in the area since then.

Just found out that I can pull recorded programming from my TiVo to my computer so that I can burn it to DVD. Very cool because I need to make space on my TiVO. Going to buy a second one for multiroom use.

I'm the head of a 144 unit bldg on UWS. We met with Verizon rep in July/August. At that time, he thought they would be "live" here by September. I knew that meant January/February. Have not seen Verizon in the area since then.

How far north, if you don't mind? I'm in a smallish building (40 units, WEA & RSD, low 100s) and we got the same info from Verizon (except it was "end of August") starting last spring. The info source has been completely tight lipped since then. I suspect their internal, secret original roll out plans are completely gone. It's also very clear about building size, I'm figuring while we are small, I'm on a very short block with 4 300+ unit buildings within 100 feet of my building, so they'd have to run trunk along my blocm to get the the 2 large RSD buildings.

Regarding my issues…

As a reminder, I’m running two set ups, a Pioneer 151FD with a Yamaha RZ-7 receiver and a Panasonic G10 with a Marantz receiver (this is also sending 5 channel audio and video to another G10 in a different location with a 30’ HDMI cable).

While using the HDMI cable, the screen goes to green after a few seconds. I have to use component cable to get the video to function.

Another problem I’m experiencing with the Pio set up is that the moto set top box switches back to 480 whenever it is powered down. I have to manually reset it for 1080.

Today I had a Verizon tech here playing with everything for about 4 hours. It turns out, when we bypass the receiver and go HDMI from the STB directly to the display, there is no problem. The green screen is gone and the box stays locked on 1080.

Apparently the receiver is the “problem” in the chain.

I don’t know what to do now. I spoke to a higher up tech on the phone and he is going to determine if the new software upgrade that is going to happen very soon, has anything to do with receivers.

Are there other folks out there that have had this “HDMI green screen” issue? Are these folks also running things through a receiver too?

Feedback is welcome.

Any chance there's a problem with your receiver?

Can you connect the HDMI direct without going through the receiver? You can use an optical cable for the audio.

Any chance there's a problem with your receiver?

Can you connect the HDMI direct without going through the receiver? You can use an optical cable for the audio.
Thanks for the response….It is unlikely that there is an issue with the receiver(s). They're are two different models/brands that function fine otherwise and to reinforce that logic, I had the same set up with Time Warner and they did work correctly (in the same chain).

The main issue is my Panny Marantz set up with the other room. I’m going to have to look into running a 30 foot component cable into that room to get the video. The audio is direct to the speakers so that’s not an issue.

Can I make a component cable out of a high end electrical cable? I have a 50 foot 12/3 cable that I was going to cut to size and put the component connectors on? I have no clue, will this work or are the component cables constructed differently?

Can I make a component cable out of a high end electrical cable? I have a 50 foot 12/3 cable that I was going to cut to size and put the component connectors on? I have no clue, will this work or are the component cables constructed differently?

Sorry, you got me on that one.

You could buy one HERE (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10235&cs_id=1023501&p_id=5358&seq=1&format=2)

Sorry, you got me on that one.

You could buy one HERE (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10235&cs_id=1023501&p_id=5358&seq=1&format=2)Thanks for the interesting link. I bought cables from Blue Jeans but never dealt with Monoprice. That cable is cheap enough for me to just order and try.

There is also the HDMI / component converter for a few bucks more. Maybe I’ll just order that so I don’t have to re wire things. I know hsimms already suggested this but I thought they cost more.

Regardless, whatever I do, this should be temporary, since the upgrade is supposed to correct this. I’m waiting for the verification call on that. I find it hard to believe that I’m the only one with this problem.

How far north, if you don't mind? I'm in a smallish building (40 units, WEA & RSD, low 100s) and we got the same info from Verizon (except it was "end of August") starting last spring. The info source has been completely tight lipped since then. I suspect their internal, secret original roll out plans are completely gone. It's also very clear about building size, I'm figuring while we are small, I'm on a very short block with 4 300+ unit buildings within 100 feet of my building, so they'd have to run trunk along my blocm to get the the 2 large RSD buildings.

Lincoln Center area.

Thanks for the interesting link. I bought cables from Blue Jeans but never dealt with Monoprice. That cable is cheap enough for me to just order and try.

There is also the HDMI / component converter for a few bucks more. Maybe I’ll just order that so I don’t have to re wire things. I know hsimms already suggested this but I thought they cost more.

Regardless, whatever I do, this should be temporary, since the upgrade is supposed to correct this. I’m waiting for the verification call on that. I find it hard to believe that I’m the only one with this problem.

I meant component when I posted composite above. I know the difference. Not the first time I've done that. Brain cramp.

I meant component when I posted composite above..;) I know... in fact I read it as component :)

That message was for MediaManager for Mac which Mac users have been waiting for. I can now play out my iTunes through my TV or big speakers without additional wiring. It does photos too.

Have you, or anyone else, set up the Media Manager with an Apple? I tried that today but it doesn’t work. It opens up my iTunes play list and attempts to load the song but then the screen says “This song has been moved or deleted or is corrupt. Please remove it from your play list.” What the heck is that all about? I guess I’m having a bad day with Fios.:confused::rolleyes::D

Have you, or anyone else, set up the Media Manager with an Apple? I tried that today but it doesn’t work. It opens up my iTunes play list and attempts to load the song but then the screen says “This song has been moved or deleted or is corrupt. Please remove it from your play list.” What the heck is that all about? I guess I’m having a bad day with Fios.:confused::rolleyes::D

I have it running well on Mac for tunes. Haven't tried photos. Mac version doesn't stream video yet.

I'm having trouble with video streaming running XP64 on an X64. Tells me it can't do it right now.

Each time I install MM to a computer, I have to reset the STB.

On another note, several posts at dslreports say that the next generation FIOS STB will be from SciAtl. Here we go again. Just like old times. We'll finally learn whether the trouble at T-W was their infrastructure or SciAtl.

Try resetting the STB and rebooting the Mac. If that doesn't work, delete the Mac MM app and re-download / install.

I have it running well on Mac for tunes. Haven't tried photos. Mac version doesn't stream video yet.

I'm having trouble with video streaming running XP64 on an X64. Tells me it can't do it right now.

Each time I install MM to a computer, I have to reset the STB.

On another note, several posts at dslreports say that the next generation FIOS STB will be from SciAtl. Here we go again. Just like old times. We'll finally learn whether the trouble at T-W was their infrastructure or SciAtl.

Try resetting the STB and rebooting the Mac. If that doesn't work, delete the Mac MM app and re-download / install.I just got off the phone with a "super tech" from verizon. :cool: Pretty impressive system. He tapped into my computer and went through the diagnostics with me.

The problem was, I have everything in my iTunes set up as Lossless audio. The Media Manager can’t do Lossless-- only the smaller files. They were not aware of that and are now working on this.

He created a new play list as AAC audio file which is about 1/3 the size compared to the Lossless. This is pretty cool for me since I’m kind of new to this iTunes stuff. I just downloaded some CDs for the first time. I know, I’m late to the party.:rolleyes::o:D

Anyway, it was a fascinating service call. :cool:

Regarding the 1.7 update. They are up to 1.7c and are still testing it in Texas. As soon as it is problem free then it will be a week before NY gets it. He thinks that Texas will be good this week but he can’t say for sure. ;)

And yes, the service tech told me today that they will be getting SA boxes too. :eek::D

The problem was, I have everything in my iTunes set up as Lossless audio. The Media Manager can’t do Lossless-- only the smaller files. They were not aware of that and are now working on this.

He created a new play list as AAC audio file which is about 1/3 the size compared to the Lossless. This is pretty cool for me since I’m kind of new to this iTunes stuff. I just downloaded some CDs for the first time. I know, I’m late to the party.:rolleyes::o:D


My tunes are all mp3. 95% I've ripped from my own CDs. I like 192k Variable Bit Rate.

What is the process to change lossless to AAC. Is that within a playlist only?

Was it done on the fly? Or, did you mass process your lossless files?

My tunes are all mp3. 95% I've ripped from my own CDs. I like 192k Variable Bit Rate.

What is the process to change lossless to AAC. Is that within a playlist only?

Was it done on the fly? Or, did you mass process your lossless files?

No it was extremely simple and quick. He created a new play list and “right clicked” on a Lossless song. In the menu it said "create AAC version”. Then he dragged the new AAC version into the new play list. Basically if I have the room and insist on keeping the Lossless versions I could make a duplicate list. And you could “highlight” as many as you want and duplicate instantly-- entire pages.

He recommended AAC with the highest Bit Rate for a “great” quality sound. He thinks that the advantage of the Lossless file size is not going to be heard by the average listener on consumer equipment.

However, I’m not sure if a smaller file (Mp3) can be converted to a bigger file (AAC or Lossless) as simply as it is converting a lossless file to a smaller file.

IIRC, AAC is owned by Apple so it makes sense for iTunes to have quick, clean transfers from lossless to AAC.

I like mp3 because it's practically universal compression. I like Variable Bit Rate at 192 because it peaks at over 320k when you need it and ratchets down below 90k when you don't. Very good quality / space compromise. Human ear can't tell the difference above 320k.