Samsung LN-S4696D/LN-S4096D [Text View] - Page 12

westa6969

10-19-06, 12:27 PM

The other problem w/ overscan is that the pixels dont match up 1:1, so you end up with slightly blurred pixels. I guess this wouldn't matter so much for SD or DVD, but for HD and PC input, it seems like a major loss.

A pity, because Ilove everything else about these sets. I guess my options are to keep my westinghouse or sink serious cash into an XBR set. :(
Please tell me where I can find one of these Samsung panels with "BLURRED" pixels I've yet to see one.

Did you make that up? How does overscan create blurr of pixels when it's in essence cropping an outer frame for that 1-2% the pixel fill is still there only cropped ever so slightly on the outer edge - even an SXRD overscans even higher and damn if I could find blurring on that 1080P Hawaii feed - the SXRD has overcan of I believe a 5% range and I owned one and on 1080i feed in the sweet spot I never saw blurring of pixels - blurring was only on SD 480i and the math of 480i creates that event not the overscan.

I agree 1:1 is best but overscan does not alter pixel fill so you should see crystal clear PQ even with overscan at 1080i/p IMO and I've yet to see any 1080P panel that does overscan deliver a blurred PQ with quality source content/feed.

Here's a simplified demo of overscan and why and how filming builds the factor in to meet TV viewer needs.

http://scanline.ca/overscan/

cmr15

10-19-06, 01:44 PM

chappy16775

10-19-06, 03:54 PM

Of course, this overscan issue everyone is ranting about is only if you want to connect via HDMI. VGA works fine with 1:1 but quality is not as good as DVI (but still OK).

I just ordered a DVI - HDMI cable and audio cables to connect my PC to the 4696. I heard that if you have nvdia GFX card then you can underscan to effectively eliminate the overscan. I should have it set up in a day or so and will post the results.

Cocteau

10-19-06, 07:36 PM

Cocteau

10-19-06, 07:46 PM

Please tell me where I can find one of these Samsung panels with "BLURRED" pixels I've yet to see one.

Did you make that up?

Hi Westy,

Yes, the overscan debate continues, and Samsung now has their batallions of techies on the case. For a charge that is. ;)

Frankly, I'm probably going to bite the bullet and have one of these guys come out and kill overscan. Then I'll test SD, HD, HD-DVD and make my decision.

If I see that twittering edge, I'll leave overscan on.

Cocteau

10-19-06, 07:49 PM

mflo77

10-19-06, 07:49 PM

hexn

10-19-06, 08:18 PM

hi all.

have a samsung 4695. I am watching a non HD channel on 16:9. the sides of the screen are gray. This gray is annoying. How can i make the sides black???

does this question make sense???
i hope so.

thank you much.

I got 4695 too, here's what I did, if you are using a cable box, set the aspect ratio to 16:9 and set the 4:3 override to 480P, my SD channels are displayed correctly without edges. hope that helps. Also I found that if you set the cable box 4:3 override to "off", the "zoom1" and "zoom2" option in TV's "picture size" will be grayed out.

I have another kind of problem though, it's rather mechanical, the stand that comes with my 4695 set doesn't seems to be installed correctly, coz when I put it on the stand, the TV tilt to the left, it looks really odd and I don't know what to do with it, anybody knows if there's anyway to adjust that? Thanks in advance

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10-20-06, 04:38 AM

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BENN0

10-20-06, 06:14 AM

Please tell me where I can find one of these Samsung panels with "BLURRED" pixels I've yet to see one.

Did you make that up? How does overscan create blurr of pixels when it's in essence cropping an outer frame for that 1-2% the pixel fill is still there only cropped ever so slightly on the outer edge - even an SXRD overscans even higher and damn if I could find blurring on that 1080P Hawaii feed - the SXRD has overcan of I believe a 5% range and I owned one and on 1080i feed in the sweet spot I never saw blurring of pixels - blurring was only on SD 480i and the math of 480i creates that event not the overscan.

I agree 1:1 is best but overscan does not alter pixel fill so you should see crystal clear PQ even with overscan at 1080i/p IMO and I've yet to see any 1080P panel that does overscan deliver a blurred PQ with quality source content/feed.

There seem to be some misconceptions about the effects of overscanning in HD signals.
I agree that in SD this can be a necessary feature. In pure digital pixel perfect 1920x1080 signals from for example a HD-DVD or BluRay player connected via HDMI there is no need for overscanning and it will degrade the picture quality slightly.

I could use a lot of words but let me try to explain this with a few pictures. Make sure you view them 1:1 on your monitor. Do net let your browser scale them!
(please copy and paste the links)

A full 1920x1080 picture:
img246.imageshack.us/img246/7366/overscantest1080pfullrx2.png

Same picture but cropped by about 4% and resized to fill the screen at 1920x1080:
img169.imageshack.us/img169/3784/overscantest1080p4percentresizehy8.png

Same picture but cropped by about 4% and re-sampled to fill the screen at 1920x1080:
img246.imageshack.us/img246/5953/overscantest1080p4percentresampleob8.png

I used two algorithms in PaintShop Pro to scale the cropped picture back to 1920x1080: resize and resample. Whatever algorithm the panel uses it will be something similar with similar results, slight loss of detail.

This is a very un-scientific example, I know. Don’t look at the text as the source image was an jpeg but look at the 1 pixel sized details left of the text. In the second picture, detail is lost. In the third picture the detail is still there but the resample algorithm has still altered the picture in a negative way (soften the image.)

Will you notice this in a fast pace action movie viewed from 10 feet? Very unlikely. Is this the correct way to handle a digital signal? I don’t think so.

Kampai!

10-20-06, 06:41 AM

Thanks to everyone in this thread. Very interesting stuff.

Cocteau

10-20-06, 10:42 AM

.............oh well it still is Microsoft afterall :D

he-he :)

Cocteau

10-20-06, 10:44 AM

I agree that in SD this can be a necessary feature. In pure digital pixel perfect 1920x1080 signals from for example a HD-DVD or BluRay player connected via HDMI there is no need for overscanning and it will degrade the picture quality slightly.

Same picture but cropped by about 4% and resized to fill the screen at

Samsung overscan is less than 2% though.

cash banquet

10-20-06, 10:51 AM

Samsung overscan is less than 2% though.

I would note though that in the cnet review of the 4096, at the bottom in the box, it says that overscan is 4%. Just noticed it.

ronning

10-20-06, 11:40 AM

Please tell me where I can find one of these Samsung panels with "BLURRED" pixels I've yet to see one. ....
Here's a simplified demo of overscan and why and how filming builds the factor in to meet TV viewer needs.

http://scanline.ca/overscan/

Thanks for the extra info.

What I'm referring to is really only most visible when viewing the set on a PC. What happens is that the PC is feeding *exactly* 1920x1080 pixels, but the set overscans and attempts to fill its own 1920x1080 pixels with something like 1900x1050 pixels. When you look at pixel-level detail (e.g. black text, thin lines, highly detailed video game HUDS, etc), they appear "blurred" or "ghosted" because the Samsung is smearing those across its own physical pixels, rather than mapping them 1:1

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On a side note, if the overscan issue can be "fixed" by a technition, would that result in 1:1 pixel mapping, or just really-really close to that

westa6969

10-20-06, 11:40 AM

There seem to be some misconceptions about the effects of overscanning in HD signals.
This is a very un-scientific example, I know. Don’t look at the text as the source image was an jpeg but look at the 1 pixel sized details left of the text. In the second picture, detail is lost. In the third picture the detail is still there but the resample algorithm has still altered the picture in a negative way (soften the image.)

Will you notice this in a fast pace action movie viewed from 10 feet? Very unlikely. Is this the correct way to handle a digital signal? I don’t think so.

Did you use vector based graphics? Anyone with Desktop Publishing background knows you cannot plop something in Paint SHop Pro and replicate what is happening on a 1080P panel. That is typically why Art Programs have multiple facets to capture images and scale them mathematically without distorting the pixels. Scaling any image without using mathematical scaling like Vector based graphics on a PC will alter the image and not in a good way - your image links are broken BTW. Your trying to equate a GUI of a PC Monitor and GUI Paint application and that doesn't jive. As HD and BD have an insignificant library of choices we still live with formats going back decades that still require some overscan as the list of 1:1 panels is a small fraction of 1%.

So are you folks saying everyone else is screwed? Perhaps a billion plus TV's? Come one but 1:1 on consumer TV's is fresh on the scene and you folks are talking like it's a disaster for those having anything less? I agree it's best but overscan still has a place to accomodate unlimited formats going back decades wouldn't you agree? Otherwise prepare to watch the same 100 or so in the library of HD and BD and forget all the classics that had no standard format in their time. :)

chappy16775

10-20-06, 01:06 PM

Will this "worse" picture quality on HDMI caused by overscan still be better than the 1:1 through the VGA connection for PC?

Cocteau

10-20-06, 01:20 PM

I would note though that in the cnet review of the 4096, at the bottom in the box, it says that overscan is 4%. Just noticed it.

I have always read it's 1-2%.

Makes me think I need that techie to come over. :)

BENN0

10-20-06, 01:26 PM

Did you use vector based graphics? Anyone with Desktop Publishing background knows you cannot plop something in Paint SHop Pro and replicate what is happening on a 1080P panel. That is typically why Art Programs have multiple facets to capture images and scale them mathematically without distorting the pixels. Scaling any image without using mathematical scaling like Vector based graphics on a PC will alter the image and not in a good way - your image links are broken BTW. Your trying to equate a GUI of a PC Monitor and GUI Paint application and that doesn't jive. As HD and BD have an insignificant library of choices we still live with formats going back decades that still require some overscan as the list of 1:1 panels is a small fraction of 1%.

Are digital video signals like HDMI vector based? This has nothing to do with it, my example is valid because of bitmap based scaling. This is exactly what happens when overscanning a digital signal. The algorithm might be different but the result will be the same. You cut off 4% of an exact 1920x1080 signal and scale it back to 1920x1080. This will result in distortion no matter how good the used scaling algorithm is.

So are you folks saying everyone else is screwed? Perhaps a billion plus TV's? Come one but 1:1 on consumer TV's is fresh on the scene and you folks are talking like it's a disaster for those having anything less? I agree it's best but overscan still has a place to accomodate unlimited formats going back decades wouldn't you agree? Otherwise prepare to watch the same 100 or so in the library of HD and BD and forget all the classics that had no standard format in their time. :)

I don't get your point. When mastering the HD-DVD or BluRay (or DVD for that matter) the technician can 'overscan' the picture for us by using a digital mask, cutting out the protection area from the film master and master the masked frames at exactly 1920x1080. No need for our TV's to cut off another x%.

hbsiii

10-20-06, 02:11 PM

Since you have the 5296d would you purchase again or consider a Sony Xbr3 52" at $750 more? Thanks

buzzy_

10-21-06, 09:12 AM

So are you folks saying everyone else is screwed? Perhaps a billion plus TV's? What he said was, "Is this the correct way to handle a digital signal? I don’t think so." Big leap from there to "a billion people are effing screwed, man!!"

No one is saying "everyone else is screwed", since most of those billion people will just watch TV. They're just saying that for the many people who will use this with PCs or other digital signals, it would be better if they hadn't overlooked a fairly simple matter of allowing this to be adjusted by the user or for the input. It's a shame on an otherwise remarkable set.

btw, lots of people who don't think they will hook up a PC to these things will end up doing it. It's going to be the next big thing - there's too much you can do with media server/dvr, and too much money to be made selling them, for that not to happen.

beatboy77

10-21-06, 09:38 AM

On the VGA port of the 4695D, does it also have an analog audio input (Red & White)?

~Josh

Riverside_Guy

10-21-06, 09:59 AM

Video signals are raster based (pixels).

<aside>That being said, one of the most exciting technology things is in what is usually called animation/cgi. They create vector based art, then with texturing and lighting create stuff that is amazingly life-like. Right now, they can create small scenes that would totally fool folks if they are real or "fake." 2 years ago they released a movie (Final Fantasy) that had moments where it was very difficult to tell. 5 years from now, there may very will be features that would be next to impossible to tell if they were real or created.</aside>

Shizuma

10-21-06, 10:38 AM

basline

10-21-06, 11:32 AM

ok I recently bought the LN-S4695D model and i'm mostly going to be using it for playing games and dvds.

When i hook up my ps2 using monster brand componant cables the graphics displayed are really choppy and there are line break ups on the whole screen.

I've tried the cable on 3 different TVs and it works fine, I've tried 3 different Ps2 consoles and all 3 displayed fine on different TVs.

I'm attaching a picture of what the problem looks like. Please PLEASE can anyone tell me if my componant outputs are bad or is there something I'm not doing right. I'm so upset about this that i'm ready to just take the TV back completly.

Thank you for any help you guys can offer.

Im waiting for my 4695 to be delivered, so i cant speak to this set directly. But on my last hdtv (a sammy dlp) my ps2 also looked like crap. Were the tvs you tried your cable on all HD sets? I just assumed when I hooked my ps2 up to my old set with the sony component cables that the jaggies i was seeing where simply the limit of the ps2's horse power. The ps2 looked pretty good on my old toshiba 27" tube with component, but making the move to a 46" HD set showed how poor ps2 image output was. I think sony released/licencsed the component cables primarily in the interest of the few 60 fps games that got released and so people could take advantage of progressive scan with the dvd player which isn't bad. so i dont think its the cable, or the tv for that matter, i think its every ps2 thats the problem.

If its so bad its unplayable, which is something i never expereinced, i might try using the composite or an s-video cables if you have either of those, its worth a shot at least to isolate if its something with the ps2 to screen component pathway.

basline

10-21-06, 11:40 AM

On the VGA port of the 4695D, does it also have an analog audio input (Red & White)?

Josh:

theres a mini jack instead of left and right RCAs. if you want a diagram of the inputs on the back of the set check the samsung website. bring up the 4695 model's product page and click on "maunals" or something on the right side of the screen. you can either download the pdf, or the like quickview website also has a diagram of the inputs.

ronning

10-21-06, 01:25 PM

Will this "worse" picture quality on HDMI caused by overscan still be better than the 1:1 through the VGA connection for PC?

I don't believe it can do 1:1 even on VGA. It overscans all inputs.

Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks!

doug goldberg

10-21-06, 01:57 PM

Im typing this reply on '5296 @ 1:1 1920x1080 via VGA. Makes a killer monitor. Digital pictures scaled to 1080P via the USB are icredible also. I cannot speak for the 40/46 but the 52 does not overscan via VGA.

ronning

10-21-06, 02:38 PM

Im typing this reply on '5296 @ 1:1 1920x1280 via VGA. Makes a killer monitor. Digital pictures scaled to 1080P via the USB are icredible also. I cannot speak for the 40/46 but the 52 does not overscan via VGA.

I presume you mean 1920x1080? (just confirming..)

THat's good news... maybe the 52" has a different manufacturing process?

doug goldberg

10-21-06, 03:34 PM

Roj.. 1920 x 1080

chappy16775

10-22-06, 02:12 PM

Just connected my 4696D to PC using a 50' DVI=HDMI cable. Had to select underscan on nVidia control panel to ensure the entire desktop fits to the screen but otherwise everything is running OK and great quality.

In other words, you can run your PC to this TV using HDMI and not have to worry about overscan. I think it can be done with ATI cards too but you will need to use Powerstrip.

Cocteau

10-23-06, 07:48 AM

Just connected my 4696D to PC using a 50' DVI=HDMI cable.

50 Feet!

chappy16775

10-23-06, 10:54 AM

Yep 50 feet - my PC is in another room so had to run the cable through the attic and walls...

Cocteau

10-23-06, 02:51 PM

Yep 50 feet - my PC is in another room so had to run the cable through the attic and walls...

So how are you using the TV? Peering through the doorway while you type? ;)

Is the PC on a rolling table?

Speaking of.... isn't there any clever wireless route to take for this? Does Apple have a solution yet?

jimmy2748187

10-23-06, 03:22 PM

This may be a silly suggestion, but here I go. Has anyone tried to adjust the vertical and horizontal size picture settings to try and eliminate the overscan? I have no idea what affect this would have on the picture sze, but thought it might be worth trying.

DTR00GT

10-23-06, 03:33 PM

Speaking of.... isn't there any clever wireless route to take for this? Does Apple have a solution yet?

Just so you know, someone did announce a wireless HDMI connection, but as life would have it, I can't find the link for you......but its out there. (P.S. its not by Apple)

*UPDATE* Found links, see latest post

chappy16775

10-23-06, 03:56 PM

So how are you using the TV? Peering through the doorway while you type? ;)

Is the PC on a rolling table?

Speaking of.... isn't there any clever wireless route to take for this? Does Apple have a solution yet?

Wireless keyboard, mouse, etc.....

Unfortunately wireless is not good enough for video signals...yet.

DTR00GT

10-23-06, 04:09 PM

Cocteau

10-24-06, 12:44 PM

Wireless HDMI

Here:
http://uk.gizmodo.com/2006/09/07/wireless_hdmi_coming_in_novemb.html
and here
http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/wireless-hdmi-from-radiospire-154285.php

There are / will be others to follow suite.

Cheers

Wow, that looks promising.

I'm fine with my wired HD-DVD and Cable Box, ..... but it would be great to float wireless around the livingroom with a laptop anda signal out to the LCD.

PS: ADI analog devices, is a totally legit company.

Cocteau

10-24-06, 12:47 PM

jimmy2748187

10-25-06, 12:31 AM

That won't turn of the functionality or processing though.

The key is to eliminate the video processing.

I understand that, but will it recover the lost picture real estate?

BENN0

10-25-06, 03:14 AM

I’m interested in this as well.

tunnelight06

10-26-06, 10:38 AM

I am getting a Samsung 4695 and I was wondering if anyone knows whether or not I would be able to, or for that matter would I want to, connect both a HDMI cable and Component cable to this set. I will be using Direct TV for what it's worth.

I had heard that some 480 broadcasts actually look better through a Component connection.

Is this right or would I be doing something unnecessary here?

I appreciate in advance anything you might be able to share.

Thanks.

tmeader

10-26-06, 02:54 PM

Note, that's the 92D series, NOT the 96D series.

They are completely different panels.

bull3001

10-26-06, 03:58 PM

pixelswim

10-26-06, 07:52 PM

I am looking for an LCD for PC usuage only.
40' of either the 95 or the 96 series.
I also have the AGP X1600Pro 512MB card with the DVI output.
i need to know what the difference would be for me to go with the 95 or the 96?
Also what is this overscan and underscan?
would it matter to me if i go with the 95 or the 96 series?

The main difference is that the 96 has a cablecard slot (which allows the cable company to give you access to the premium channels you've paid for beyond the basic ones without you having to have a set-top box. You get to use the TV remote for channel changing. You give up the TVGuide and on-demand type interactive stuff that a set-top box facilitates.) The 96 is cosmetically different from the 95 (the sound reflector strip along the bottom is clear instead of metal, the stand is oval instead of rectangular.) There is also a short list of minor technical differences - many have posted this list previously in this thread and you can also tell by looking at the spec lists at the samsung site.

You are stepping in late on the overscan/underscan topic, it has received of months of discussion and people have strong opinions on both sides of that debate - I will leave it to others to point you.

jimmy2748187

10-26-06, 09:16 PM

I’m interested in this as well.
Apparently no one else is besides us. Oh well. If I had this tv, I'd try it out.

mflo77

10-26-06, 11:03 PM

Mythri

10-26-06, 11:11 PM

Hi, everyone, I'm a newbi here, recently I want to buy a LCD TV to match up with my Xbox 360. After several days of research, finally I decided to buy a 4095d/4096d. But I cannot decide which one. I read the previous replies, and noticed 4096d does not support the 1080p component, but I checked the samsung website, and I clicked the "Download Spec sheet" I found out that it does say support 1080p. I don't know if they updated the information or it's a new generation 4096d. I want the 1080p component because microsoft said they would update Xbox360(suppose it's true) so that it can support 1080p(currently only support 1080i). But I also want the cable card slot and the QAM. Can any of you give me a clear answer if 4096d support 1080p component? If yes, then I will definitly buy it, if not, then why it says on the Spec sheet? Thanks very much, any information will be appreciated!

SuperBuck27

10-26-06, 11:23 PM

I am having the same issue. The SD picture at standard/factory settings are a total disaster on this set and, unfortunately, 90% of Cable/Sat content is still SD. It makes for a miserable experience and is, frankly, embarassing.

Does someone have some proposed adjustments/settings to mitigate these issues? Please share as this is getting depressing.

Thank you!

SB27

some help please on calibration of my set.

on SD channels when there is a closer then normal shot of a sports figures face, the face is looking almost plastic. I mean the picture appears extremely cartoonish. Is there any calibration suggestions that i can make to rectify this problem?

Once again...i am a complete rookie when it comes to things like this. thank you much.

mflo77

Mythri

10-26-06, 11:40 PM

pixelswim

10-27-06, 07:40 AM

it's me again. After I post the last reply, I found out that on the second page of the 4096d Download Spec sheet, it says only support up to 1080i, why it's different from the first page? Is it a misleading error?

I am under the impression from this thread that the entire 95/96 series does 1080p just fine over both HDMI and Component. Be patient and Cocteau or one of the earlier guys from this thread may answer more definitively. Also you can query in one of the owners threads. In the mean time you can work on the 95 pages of this thread - I believe your question has been answered a couple of times and I've learned a ton of other things (and forgotten them!) by plowing through it. You are correct to always take the spec sheets with a grain of salt - Samsung is not very careful with them and often this forum has noted inconsistencies and minor mistakes and omissions.

pixelswim

10-27-06, 08:09 AM

some help please on calibration of my set.

on SD channels when there is a closer then normal shot of a sports figures face, the face is looking almost plastic. I mean the picture appears extremely cartoonish. Is there any calibration suggestions that i can make to rectify this problem?

Once again...i am a complete rookie when it comes to things like this. thank you much.

mflo77

mflo77 & SuperBuck27,
Search on bear5k. For the sammy 95/96 series I believe the heart of his cal suggestions were in post #1815 near page 61 of this thread. I followed his (the non-service-menu ones!) suggestions a couple of times while viewing the sammy units in the stores and it made a huge difference. I can't remember but I think I basically always started by setting power saving as high as possible for the lighting conditions (which effectivly chooses one of the 3 backlight brightnesses by varying power to the ccf tubes.) Then I would start with Warm2 and bring brightness down to 24 and then go from there with some of his other suggestions. Often, depending on source, I would then need to tweek the brightness back up a bit and sometimes try choosing one of the Cool# settings instead of Warm2. Note that bear5k explains that all of these can change quite a bit once you calibrate your set at home. Hope this helps a bit - factory/store floor settings definately don't tell you anything about what the set can do, they are usually pretty horrible.

PaulMD

10-27-06, 10:33 AM

I noticed the other night a several mm area of questionably stuck pixels on my 4095. On HD13 they were readily apparent when the surrounding area was displaying certain colors only.

Are these "stuck" pixels? I haven't seen them since. Could they have been source related and therefore not really stuck???

Again, they seem to be gone now.

Not necessarily the TV. Can also be at the source. I was watching an 1080 broadcast and saw a 1 inch black line in one spot ... never saw it again until the show played again later in the week. Definitely not the TV. I think Samsung and many of the other manufacturers do a great job of eliminating that and its probably not something to worry about.

PaulMD

10-27-06, 10:40 AM

Reman

10-27-06, 01:30 PM

I am a newbie to the forum, and am considering purchasing the LNS4696D in lieu of the Sony XBR3. Sony touts incredible benefits from their Bravia Engine Pro in terms of digital processsing and ultimately the quality of their image given certain inputs. Is this just techical BS, or worth the extra money? Does the Samsung have similar hi-tech processing, albeit not as openly advertised? Finally, can anyone point me to a review of the LNS4696D on the web. Thanks in advance for your help.

westa6969

10-27-06, 02:16 PM

Finally, can anyone point me to a review of the LNS4696D on the web. Thanks in advance for your help.
Go to Circuit City website and read reveiws of the LN-S4695 - besides featureset they are identical - read owner reviews - last I look was 4.6 out of 5 and I read them all and could not find any negatives from people that've actually bought the TV. Both are great LCD's - you have to decide and vote with your eyes and wallet. ;)

I've followed the reviews since I've considered the 52" and the 57" Samsung.

ALSONY

10-27-06, 09:41 PM

Just received the LNS4696D.....have it set up using the cable card. This is one terrific set. The picture quality is outstanding. HD viewing is nothing short of spectacular. SD viewing is OK and much better than I expected. The ability to fine tune and tweak the settings makes for a very fine viewing experience. I have not calibrated the LNS4696D other then to turn down the brightness . Over-scanning concerns are really overblown and inconsequential in my opinion. The picture quality is as good if not better than the Sony XBR2 / SXRD.......I would like to thank all those who contribute to this thread........I have learned a great deal from you! :o

Mythri

10-28-06, 03:07 AM

I am under the impression from this thread that the entire 95/96 series does 1080p just fine over both HDMI and Component. Be patient and Cocteau or one of the earlier guys from this thread may answer more definitively. Also you can query in one of the owners threads. In the mean time you can work on the 95 pages of this thread - I believe your question has been answered a couple of times and I've learned a ton of other things (and forgotten them!) by plowing through it. You are correct to always take the spec sheets with a grain of salt - Samsung is not very careful with them and often this forum has noted inconsistencies and minor mistakes and omissions.

Thank you very much sir. I actually emailed the samsung customer services, they replied me with the same answer as yours. But I still have one question, does the 4096d have DNie? And do you think 4096d worth the money to buy? I think I'm going to buy 4096d.

Stupac

10-28-06, 11:07 AM

Got the 4095D for under 2k at CC with a little negotiating. It looks real nice paired with my Sony STR-DG1000 receiver.

The sony upconverts everthing to 1080i so I only have 1 cable to the TV, just the HDMI.

My 360, DVD, and HD DVD all go into the reciever leaving my Sammie kind of lonely with only 1 cable to it.

pixelswim

10-29-06, 12:00 AM

Thank you very much sir. I actually emailed the samsung customer services, they replied me with the same answer as yours. But I still have one question, does the 4096d have DNie? And do you think 4096d worth the money to buy? I think I'm going to buy 4096d.

Mythri,

Yes, the 4096D has DNIe but you can turn it on and off via the menus with the remote. Most forum members suggest turning it off as one of your first setting changes (see my comments a few pages back) Then later after you are used to all the many settings there are a few member reports that you might try out DNIe for a few situations - but still, the vast majority of users report just being thankful they can turn it off. (Note that the Sony XBR2/3 panels have a roughly equivalent circuit and there are reports that certain aspects of that can not be turned off by the user.)

Mythri, none of us can tell you if the 4096 is worth it, it's too much of a complicated individual decision. I can say that there are tons of very happy reports from owners in these threads. I assume you've compared it to the Sony V2500, the Sony XBR2/3, the 1080p Sharp and perhaps a few others (more experienced members might help me out here!) Also, we assume you've been through the basic question of "bright room daytime viewing probably = LCD" vs. "dark theatre nighttime viewing probably = Plasma cause the gray levels in the dark scenes will still be a little better." Also, I assume you've studied the differences between the 4095 and 4096 and know you want CableCard/QAM tuner etc. so are choosing the 4096, right?

Good Luck! Keep us posted. --best, pixelswim

mark_1080p

10-29-06, 12:02 AM

Alright folks. I spent four hours in the SM of my Sammy playing calibration games. Some bad news: the best I was getting for CR was in the 350:1 range (as high as 367:1, as low as 330:1).
Bill
I recently received a 5296, prelim. observations are:

Blacks crushed badly on this set.
CR not any better than my 800:1 Sharps, disappointing.
Have to crank brightness above 50% to reveal black detail (but washes out midlevels in the process).
Set has too much pixel noise, mosquito.
Panel otherwise in good shape.

Not sure if I have a bad set or not, couldn't read through this long thread.
Any thoughts, experiences on black level ?
Do I have a bad set, factory settings off perhaps?
Would an SM tweak to backlight levels help (lower them) ?
I am running at lowest setting, power use is 115 watts ! :)
Thanks.

Mark

pixelswim

10-29-06, 12:32 AM

Mark,

The "LCD Black Level Discussions" thread is interesting, have you glanced at that? Also have you found Bear5K's prelim calibration discussions fairly early in this (Samsung 96) thread? ..just a couple of thoughts

mark_1080p

10-29-06, 01:50 AM

Hey, pixelswim - I just posted there as well. I saw Bear's posts on page 61, which I quoted from, where he mentions the CR he is getting from this set. If one cannot get past that limitation, there's not much you can do with the set for viewing dark material. It's something I can live with, but I thought from what I saw personally at the stores (one of which was low ambient lighting but not like at home) and from many reports at AVS and CNET of this series having good black levels that it would perform better than what I am observing.

Padrino

10-29-06, 05:05 PM

If anyone sees any recent reviews of the 4095 or 4695 (or the 96s) let me know.

My Review of the 4095
================

I have had the set for a few months now and I think I am pretty aware of its good qualities as well as limitations. I have it hooked up to a few HD sources (Comcast and Xbox 360) so I have seen how good HD content can look.

On the Plus Side...

When watching good HDTV sources this set really shines. The detail is great and the backlight is both very even and can be toned to (called E. Savings) four diffrent levels for watching in diffrent room lighting situations. This is critical due to the limitations of black level on LCDs. HD Game content also looks amazing at times. Having this connected to the 360 is pretty impressive and it makes a good combination.

The 4095 has a good amount of video settings and not too many added enhancements which you would most likely turn off anyway. I would have liked a gamma control because I believe some of the sources like the 360 could have benefited from a variable gamma espicialy in dark games.

I find the color a bit too blue and saturated on some SDTV stations but much like sound level thats probably the fault of the sources having no consistant image/signal confirmity. Man, would I like to see some industry standards on that! Although the HD channels seem much more in-line so I suppose that could be a thing of the past some day.

Inputs are good and include all the basics (2 Component, 2 Composite/SVid) and 2 HDMI inputs and a VGA connector for PCs. Its a good even split for most people who will still have some old sources but will be going towards HDMI down the road.

Sound, well for anyone who will ever really use it, its not that bad but its has little base of course and sounds a bit tinny as you might expect from a low power TV speaker. Still its not that bad and I used it to listen to my Zen hooked up to it for news radio and podcast when I don't feel like turning on my amp.

The build quality seems very good but only time will tell. I have not noticed any power flicker or any picture hickups at all. For the first 10 minutes or so after you turn it on (or off) there is some clicking or creaking pops that come from the set but I am almost certain that is due to heating up and cooling off. My old Tube TV did the same thing and it had great build quality.

Bottom line is, when you have a very good source, the picture is excellent with only one real shotcomming which is black level (see below).

The Negatives

On the negative side is this TVs (and all LCDs TVs) representation of black levels. For some movies and especialy for non-hd DVD, black levels can be very lacking. When watching a "dark" movie or video game you do need to do two things. Turn the brighness higher than optimal and turn up the E. Savings to keep blacks from looking too grey. Basicly it means more tweaking of the set and having to sacrifice some contrast where blacks are simly no longer black.

This is not the case for movies or games that are more evenly lit and its much less of a problem for HD content but its certainly not as good as plasma or the future LCDs technoligies comming out on in a year or two (but who can wait really).

So the bad news is, black level and contrast for low light scenes is still a problem. However, compared to other LCDs I think this panel does a good job with black level. Its just a limitation of the current technology. That being said, its not as bad as I am making it sound. Its just that seeing the incredible resolution just brings some attetion to the main weakness of LCD TVs.

The only other negative for me is that the brighness and contrast are not directly accessed from buttons on the remote. You need to go into the "Picture" menu and then to "Mode" and then navigate to them. This is very annoying because you will need to adjust these all the time. My last TV did not have them direct on the remote but there were codes out there that worked with the Harmony remote and it was great to have that little feature.

The other issue, which has been beaten to death, is the lack of a 1:1 pixel for the HDMI and Component HD input. Well all I can say is that the VGA is 1:1 but not the most flexable since it skips the video processor. It certainly would have been a plus to have a 1:1 option for component and HDMI but I don't think its much of an issue unless you want to use if as a true computer monitor (spread sheets and such) and not a TV or Media PC. All TV sources and media PCs are set up with 2-6% overscan in mind and 99% of all TVs do this. For TV 2% overscan is about as good as it gets.

So there is my review. Although I pointed out the negatives, I am more than happy with the TV and expect to get many years out of the set.

mark_1080p

10-29-06, 05:31 PM

Padrino

10-29-06, 05:42 PM

I'd pretty much concur with your observations, including the annoying sub-menu brightness and contrast. Once its dialed in though, perhaps its not much of a problem.

Black crush is my main complaint. Second is in my opinion a sub-par tuner. Too noisy on less than perfect sources.

Yes, the lack of good black level is my only realy complaint as well. I looked at a lot of LCD TVs and this one is still better than most of the ones out there and I think LCDs do much better when you want to watch TV at varying light levels. And you really nead to play around with the backlight and E. Savings. If you turn E.Saving up a notch (say to Med) and turn the contrast up a bit to compensate, black levels are much less "crushed". It won't get you great black level but much better than if you don't adjust it.

Are you talking about the HD Tuner for Over the air or for Cable. I now have a set top box so I don't use the tuner but I found (when I was hooked up to cable) that you can fine tune the channels and it helps a little bit. Plus you can turn on noise reduction for signals that are not perfect. It does not make a big improvement but does get rid of some of the image blur in bad signals. And I know bad signals, Comcast around where I live has crappy signals :)

mark_1080p

10-29-06, 07:32 PM

I am using the QAM tuner, the built-in digital cable tuner as well as analog cable. I have not tried OTA (ATSC) but I assume it's ok. Changing the backlight doesn't seem to help, pic is too bright for me at any other setting than lowest brightness.

buzzy_

10-30-06, 06:43 AM

The only other negative for me is that the brighness and contrast are not directly accessed from buttons on the remote. You need to go into the "Picture" menu and then to "Mode" and then navigate to them. This is very annoying because you will need to adjust these all the time. My last TV did not have them direct on the remote but there were codes out there that worked with the Harmony remote and it was great to have that little feature. There is a (colored!) button on the remote for Picture Modes, so one easy answer that will work for a lot of people is to set those up as presets, with settings for the main types of different sources, and flip between those by toggling that remote button. That's essentially what it's there for. It might not be perfect, but it's quick and easy.

The main thing new owners need to know is to use the Energy Savings button as a backlight control, to adjust for the darkness or brightness of the room. The default is way too bright for a dark room. Though it's great to have it for a bright room, or a variable one, which is what I have.

Given the complexities, it's set up better than most OOTB. The most genius thing they did was have a setup wizard that immediately asks whether it's for a showroom or a home, so it preumably adjusts the settings and avoids the whole problem of the OOTB settings being lurid settings only suitable for a showroom.

Angle viewing is excellent, you can easily watch it from any angle you'd realistically want to, and beyond.

Remote is good if a little busy; could be better but it's OK.

Menus. The CNET review of the 4096D (http://reviews.cnet.com/Samsung_LN_S4096D/4505-6482_7-31954846.html) complained about the slow menus; they need to switch to decaf, they're fine. And the transparent menus not only look cool, and let you keep an eye on the show - but most of the settings also seem to let you preview the result, so you can try an adjustment, see how it looks, and adjust again without going in and out of the menus. No real problems for me with the menus, other than I'd always like more adjustments.

Design obviously rules, and it's very space-efficient - my stand is a little high, and I didn't want speakers adding any more than they needed to. The aluminum strip on the 4095D (vs. glass on the 4096D) is a little disappointing, but if it's lighter or more durable, that works better for me, so I'll rationalize it that way.

DNIe - I sense a massive lemming effect on the DNIe, as with so many things at AVS - people already have their minds made up, it's what they're suppposed to say. As a couple non-lemming people have noted, on some sources it doesn't make that much difference, and for some sources DNIe does improve them. And it couldn't be easier to turn on and off, or use the demo mode to see the effect - just toggle the button on the remote. Not even remotely worth all the comments here.

Obviously it would be great if it could tune channels faster, but that's the way it is. My wife will probably like that I can't flip 120 channels a minute ...

I've only heard "clicking" once, maybe it depends on temperature variations in your room or something as it warms up.

Also, AVS needs a new HDTV owner FAQ to explain a couple things. As noted, a good 1080p will let you see the poor quality of even many so-called HD broadcasts. And a basic understanding of digital broadcasting and video compression would probably help a lot of new owners figure out what's the source vs. connections vs. display.

What would be truly awesome is if Samsung did a firmware release that fixed two things:

- Ability to turn on or off overscan by source, to allow 1:1 PC hookup via HDMI

- Ability to use the zoom on digital sources. As it stands, you can only use the zoom on the analog channels. But some of the digital channels are broadcast (I guess) with letterboxing on all four sides, so they would benefit from zoom.

I don't know if Samsung ever actually does firmware upgrades, I guess I'll poke around their site and see if they have.

P.S. Seems that's wishful thinking:Note: Unless there is a general problem with the firmware for a TV, or a major change in broadcast protocols, Samsung does not offer firmware upgrades for its TVs. I guess I'll re-read the comments about a fix for the first item via a service call.

pixelswim

10-30-06, 09:29 AM

Padrino, Mark & buzzy,

Great comments! Padrino & buzzy_ , those are the some of the best and most balanced 95/96 reviews I've seen in a long while in this big thread -- keep the good stuff coming, it really helps those of us that are still lookers and it's fun!

Have any of you guys kept any tabulation of the "little negatives" about the "other contenders" that drove you to the sammys? ie, I'm still fishing for the exact little things (or even obvious things!) that will push an XBR2/3 looker, or V2500 looker or a sharp, phillips, mits, jvc looker (not all of those even have a competitor in the 1080p 40/46/52 world of the sony/sammy perhaps - it gets hard to keep track of sizes/resolutions/timelines, ugh) to reject them. Money sometimes plays a factor but hopefully you won't just stop at that.

In other words, what were your short lists and what were the deciding factors? For the XBR2/3s there has been mention of 3khour ccf tube replacements and minor banding? -- was that on anyone's list - I'm sure there are others like me that would like to hear someone's summary of that. Or was it the sharps that the minor banding? OK, thanks again guys --pixelswim

Riverside_Guy

10-30-06, 10:20 AM

"Other deciding factors" can be a host of things that are true at the time of purchase. When I got my Sammie, I had already set-up and spent time viewing a XBR1 (spring this year) at my sisters, a block away. Ultimately I decided the PQ was amazingly similar on both sets, but the Sammie was 500 bucks less (at the time), switched channels quickly while the Sony took forever, and generally looked far better (very much a taste thing).

Indeed, the black crush thing made me a tad crazy. But I am not at all convinced about the "LCDs can't do black" thing. On any number of occasions, mostly in live baseball games, there's always someone with a back T-shirt. Damned if I don't see a black so deep that I find it way, way blacker than any T-shirt I have ever seen. In point of fact, it really isn't realistic at all. AND, in general, in video shot HD, I rarely see or are bothered by black crush, it seems to happen in film sources in HD. And not all of those.

How I define it is more akin to blocked up shadows. As in a guy with a back jacket where you can't make out that it actually has lapels. As in too much contrast. AND I have my brightness and contrast controls up pretty high, about 80% of their ranges.

But the corker was a movie I just saw in a theater (first one since I got the HD set). Boy, many, many times I found myself thinking "oh there's some black crush!" Hmm, movie makers who want shadow areas to not have any discernible tone in them???

So I haul ut the old CRT and set it next to the LCD. Interesting, I do see tone in areas where the LCD shows none. HOWEVER, the backs on the LCD are 2,000% better than the CRT. The CRT looks grayish and washed out.

So I've made my peace with black crush. I rarely notice it much anymore. STILL, I'd love to have a real contrast control... but one like the shadows & highlights control in Photoshop (my single favorite editing tool up there with the healing brush). Essentially I can dial down the contrast in the shadows without ever touching the upper end of the scale (i.e. highlights stay the same).

buzzy_

10-30-06, 11:12 AM

Not that it's anything new, but it's now official, from the Samsung FAQ site (http://erms.samsungusa.com/customer/sea/jsp/faqs/faqs_index.jsp) :Date 2006-10-26 06:23:00

Question

What Is The Difference Between The LN-S4095D And The LN-S4096D?

Answer

The LN-S4095D and LN-S4096D are identical in all respects except that the LN-S4096D:

Is Digital Cable Ready (DCR)
Has an IEEE1394 (Firewire) jack which lets you network together, exchange content between, and control up to 10 IEEE1394 equipped devices (for example, VCRs, DVD players, and Set-Top-Boxes).
Has a USB 1.1 jack which lets you view photo (JPEG) files and listen to audio (MP3) files saved on a USB Mass Storage Class (MSC) device on your TV.

The LN-S4095D does not have these features. 2006-10-18 09:02:00

Question

What Is The Difference Between The LN-S4695D And The LN-S4696D?

Answer

The LN-S4695D and LN-S4696D are identical in all respects except that the LN-S4696D:

Is Digital Cable Ready (DCR)
Has an IEEE1394 (Firewire) jack which lets you network together, exchange content between, and control up to 10 IEEE1394 equipped devices (for example, VCRs, DVD players, and Set-Top-Boxes).
Has a USB 1.1 jack which lets you view photo (JPEG) files and listen to audio (MP3) files saved on a USB Mass Storage Class (MSC) device on your TV.

The LN-S4695D does not have these features.Curious they don't mention that the strip under the bottom is aluminum vs. glass.2006-09-26 10:24:00

Question

Does The LN-S4695D Have A Built-In QAM Tuner?

Answer

The LN-S4695D does not have a built in QAM digital cable tuner. It has a built in ATSC digital tuner for over-the-air digital broadcasts and a built in standard NTSC analog tuner for analog over-the-air and cable broadcasts. To receive digital cable broadcasts, you would have to attach a digital cable set-top-box to the LN-S4695D.

rswmkw

10-31-06, 08:44 AM

pixelswim

10-31-06, 08:05 PM

Hello I am looking for insight if anyone has compared the Samsung LN-S4695 to the Sony KDL 46V250 models and what their thought's are. I am on the fence and leaning towards the Samsung I am looking to be pushed over the edge

Thanks

rswmkw,

There is a guy, I think his id is rconn2 who you could search on (in Advanced search there is a field for the id of the poster) who knows a lot about the V2500 sony models. -- pixelswim

mark_1080p

10-31-06, 09:46 PM

Indeed, the black crush thing made me a tad crazy. But I am not at all convinced about the "LCDs can't do black" thing. ...in video shot HD, I rarely see or are bothered by black crush, it seems to happen in film sources in HD. And not all of those.Video is usually shot in well lit environments. The Samsung 96 series are excellent performers if you are a football or baseball fan. Outstanding performance. Darker material, well the CE setting in the SM seems to make some difference, I still have to run brightness at 50% which introduces some haze. The hazing seems a bit reduced, though, after the SM tweak. Running my set at 30% brightness would produce lots of crush.

A clean signal, either good HD or DVD via HDMI can be outstanding. This set is no slouch by any means. There may yet be a few tweaks, some people are getting excellent results.

pixel -

Sharps - banding, no CableCARD, concerns about build quality. If Sharp is partnering with Chei Mei on more than just the backlight, that may show up down the road. Also, someone posted about the Sharp problem perhaps being the machine that puts the coating on the LCD matrix. If that is the banding, and it sounds like an interesting possibility, that is a serious QC problem, probably a very expensive fix for Sharp at the factory.

Sony - bezel too fat, no 52 (maybe just arriving), price for the name, Sony components fail down the road, Sony getting undue credit for Samsung engineering - no Sony for me. Nearly every piece of Sony equip broke down in some way over the years.

Samsung has a long history of LCD panel manufacture, I have had monitors for a long time, never failed. They should have rounded the corners off these things a bit, though - too boxy.

Stupac

10-31-06, 11:19 PM

Hello I am looking for insight if anyone has compared the Samsung LN-S4695 to the Sony KDL 46V250 models and what their thought's are. I am on the fence and leaning towards the Samsung I am looking to be pushed over the edge

Thanks

Well the Samsung works better with the Xbox 360 than the Sony's at 1080p.

bosng

11-01-06, 03:02 AM

just got the 46 samsung recently and i am really impressed with this set. this is after
going into the service menu and tweaking some settings. everything is freakin beautiful!!!

xbox 360 update for 1080p upconversion is an added plus.

i found that turning gamma to off in the sm made the black levels much better too.
if you want to push it some more, play with the esavings settings.

damn i'm loving this set. :D

Riverside_Guy

11-01-06, 07:08 AM

Boy, I'd REALLY like to see some documentation on the service menu. I'm actually quite surprised that there's nothing I can find on the web. I find most things fine, but I wouldn't mind playing with the gamma/greyscale settings a tad.

mark_1080p

11-01-06, 12:05 PM

bosng -

Give us some details, if you please !
Where's the gamma turn off, and esaving settings ?

Thanks, PM'ed. as well.

bosng

11-01-06, 12:27 PM

the esavings button on the remote will cycle through several settings.

and i believe gamma is in the options portion of the service menu.

RW_2006

11-01-06, 12:44 PM

bosng

11-01-06, 03:26 PM

sure, i'll try and get to that later tonight.

for sure, don't forget to take a picture of the original settings so you have that always available in case the reset button doesn't do it.

Riverside_Guy

11-01-06, 04:51 PM

Guys, gamma isn't something you turn on and off! It's measurement value.

drew138

11-01-06, 07:52 PM

Has anyone mounted this with an articulating cantilever wall mount? Please post what model you purchased. I'd also love to know how far it sticks out from the wall too.

There are a lot of mount options and the prices range for these things. Thanks.

Drew

PS: I'm about to pull the trigger on the 4695 from 0necall :-) They have the Omnimounts ranging in price from $250 to $550!!!

thanks for any feedback.

bosng

11-01-06, 11:48 PM

Guys, gamma isn't something you turn on and off! It's measurement value.

if so, so be it but there is a gamma setting in the sm that you can set higher,lower and off.

as promised i will post the settings i have so far but here is the disclaimer:

these are not settings calibrated with avia or dve. i've just gotten this set and was trying to dial the settings quick and dirty style to get rid of some color balance issues i saw with the factory settings.

a more time consuming and in depth attempt with avia will come sometime in the future when i have some more time. i'm no expert either so you ymmv.

in the sm under "options"

gamma = off

acr = xxx
shop mode=off

in the white balance section

white balance=128
r-offset=468
g-offset=473
b-offset=486
sub contrast=122
r gain 131
g gain 133
b gain 135

in dynamic mode in the regular menu

contrast 90
bright 45
sharp 45
color 55
tine 50
color tone cool 1

playing with the esavings setting on the remote for bright or dark material with these settings dialed in seems to gives a pleasing effect depending on the material

also find that dnie on some material looks very good but you may want to up the brightness a bit to compensate

if anyone wants to tweak and repost please feel free.

bosng

11-01-06, 11:52 PM

johnbelloh

11-02-06, 12:05 AM

My 4696D does the same thing with very low frequency sounds. The vibration appears to be originating from the left speaker. I have reqested a service call.

pixelswim

11-02-06, 08:43 AM

(my earlier question:)
"Have any of you guys kept any tabulation of the "little negatives" about the "other contenders" that drove you to the sammys? ie, I'm still fishing for the exact little things (or even obvious things!) that will push an XBR2/3 looker, or V2500 looker or a sharp, phillips, mits, jvc looker (not all of those even have a competitor in the 1080p 40/46/52 world of the sony/sammy perhaps - it gets hard to keep track of sizes/resolutions/timelines, ugh) to reject them. Money sometimes plays a factor but hopefully you won't just stop at that.

In other words, what were your short lists and what were the deciding factors? For the XBR2/3s there has been mention of 3khour ccf tube replacements and minor banding? -- was that on anyone's list - I'm sure there are others like me that would like to hear someone's summary of that. Or was it the sharps that the minor banding? OK, thanks again guys --pixelswim"

(...)
pixel -

Sharps - banding, no CableCARD, concerns about build quality. If Sharp is partnering with Chei Mei on more than just the backlight, that may show up down the road. Also, someone posted about the Sharp problem perhaps being the machine that puts the coating on the LCD matrix. If that is the banding, and it sounds like an interesting possibility, that is a serious QC problem, probably a very expensive fix for Sharp at the factory.

Sony - bezel too fat, no 52 (maybe just arriving), price for the name, Sony components fail down the road, Sony getting undue credit for Samsung engineering - no Sony for me. Nearly every piece of Sony equip broke down in some way over the years.

Samsung has a long history of LCD panel manufacture, I have had monitors for a long time, never failed. They should have rounded the corners off these things a bit, though - too boxy.

Thanks mark (& stupac),
These are exactly the kinds of comments I was fishing for and think will help the 1080p "fence sitters" among us. Keep 'em coming guys!

Mark, interesting comments about Sharp -- I remember speculating back when Sharp first announced new manufacturing investments.. Sony & Samsung made absolutely huge investments in their new joint spaces in Korea and somewhat after that Sharp made some announcements and I wondered if they were hard-pressed to try and keep up. I was thinking it would just be hard for them to raise the same level of capital and thus to obtain the same level of control over their processes. OTOH, they are a pretty dedicated company and sometimes I think able to be more focused than the huge sony and samsung companies. But in the end I think investment size makes a bigger diff for these huge sheets of high-tech glass constructions.

My finance committee gave me a 4-day deadline last december and I've now pushed my quest to over 10 months (I've about worn out wikipedia learning where the electrons are going :)). My gut feeling is coming down to a difficult decision between the 4696D and the 5296D for viewing at about 9 ft. most of the time. I still haven't investigated the "V2500"s at all and feel I need to for thoroughness, although I don't think I'll like the style as much (surprisingly hard to make yourself discount style, isn't it?) --pixelswim

Riverside_Guy

11-02-06, 09:07 AM

Doesn't Sharp make their own glass?

Everyone had their tastes, but I'd say at 9', 46 is going to be fine. Going 52 at that distance may mean that less than great images might visually appear worse than on a 46. Remember, the pixels will be bigger on the 52 than on the 46. Personally I find a 40 at 8-9 feet to be a sort of sweet spot.

Really, there a SM indicator to turn gamma "off?" That's a misnomer; if you engage it and still see a picture, then it probably means leave at the default value. I have seen the term "gamma correction" used, obviously that means a delta from some default value.

rickyjames

11-02-06, 02:59 PM

yayi

11-02-06, 04:11 PM

if someone can help me out

i've noticed when there is a high bass or high volume coming from the internal speakers the tv will have an unsettling vibration accompanying the sound. is this normal for samsung sets?

i have the 4695d

thanks.

I have had the 4695 for two weeks. The other night I was watching a movie on HBO and noticed this same problem when the TV was playing music with high bass (at different audio levels). Then last night it happened again. I went to the Audio Menu and adjusted the audio settings using the built-in equalizer. I basically flattened all frequencies out at +/- 0 gain. This adjustment seemed to solve the vibration issue. I will have to do more watching/hearing to see if the vibration is really gone.

badself

11-02-06, 06:16 PM

Wow, it has taken me several days to wade thru 97 pages of posts about this Sammy HDTV I am interested in buying, and I've learned a LOT by doing it. Thanks to everyone for contributing over these many months to create such a great archive of material.

Having gone thru this thread, I come away thinking I'm going to wait a little longer and check out the Mitsubishi LT-46231 instead of just rushing right out and buying a Sammy LN-S4696D for Christmas as I was planning to do a week ago before I started reading these posts. I can see with my own eyes at CC that the Sammy is a fantastic unit visually. But now that I know what to look for, it seems the Mitsu may address some of the Sammy's weaknesses, particularly overscanning, PIP and SD presentation. I've decided to wait for the Mitsu version to become widespread in the stores and take a look, then get one or the other.

Thanks again, all!

I'd have to agree, this set certainly reads impressively on paper. What are people's overall experiences with Mitsubishi build and performance? Hopefully, these sets don't play out like the Sharps, tremendous on paper, yet falling short of the mark in the field. At least the Samsungs are solid sets overall, even with the overscan and mediocre 10 bit processors.

Can you imagine the Samsung 95/96's processing off of the Silicon Optix Realta, a fix that would mitigate the overscan deficiency and elevate sd (if not hd) performance in the same breath?

mark_1080p

11-02-06, 06:50 PM

My gut feeling is coming down to a difficult decision between the 4696D and the 5296D for viewing at about 9 ft. most of the time.I sit at almost exactly 9'. I have a 52". I am just a bit too close for this TV, Riverside has it just right IMO. I think 46 would be good at this distance, I just had to have something large. So, I do sacrifice a bit on perceived quality but given all that I would still pick the 52 again.

So if PQ dominates in the factors affecting your choice, 46 will work. Smaller TV's usually look sharper, more contrasty, and smoother. If you want a big screen and are willing to compromise a little, get the 52.

dad1153

11-02-06, 07:05 PM

The Mitsubishi LT-46231 is a Diamond line product, which means only select Mitsubishi dealers can display/sell it. CC has the Mitsu LT-46131 (exact same TV except the absence of 6-color tint adjustments, remote control for other devices and an all-black finish) on display at some stores I've seen, go to a CC and see it for yourself. A word of warning though, out-of-the-box settings for the LT-46131 give a very washed-out image that makes it look like crap compared to the vivid settings of the Sammy, Sony and Sharp LCD's. If you want to bring the best out of the LT-46131 (to get an idea of what the LT-46231 also looks like) you have to adjust the picture and boost the contrast/blacks a lot from the defaults.

Since only Mitsubishi and Samsung offer 1080p input and PIP in their LCD products I've basically narrowed it down to these two brands. If I weren't such a PIP whore I would go Sharp D5262U (assuming I can get a good set without banding) but my need and desire for PIP makes the Mitsu and Sammy 1080p LCD's the only legitimate games in town.

jlarosa

11-02-06, 09:10 PM

Everyone had their tastes, but I'd say at 9', 46 is going to be fine. Going 52 at that distance may mean that less than great images might visually appear worse than on a 46. Remember, the pixels will be bigger on the 52 than on the 46. Personally I find a 40 at 8-9 feet to be a sort of sweet spot.

Thanks for the information about viewing distance. I have been reading recommendations on-line for viewing distance. It does come down to personal preference. I am 8 - 9' feet away. I feel that a 40 will be fine but the 46" would be fine also. I may go with a 40 for now and move that to bedroom in several years.

pixelswim

11-02-06, 11:34 PM

Thanks for the information about viewing distance. I have been reading recommendations on-line for viewing distance. It does come down to personal preference. I am 8 - 9' feet away. I feel that a 40 will be fine but the 46" would be fine also. I may go with a 40 for now and move that to bedroom in several years.

Yea, I thought about that too. 46 would really be too big for my bedroom - block too much window glass, so I already know it will have to stay in the main part of the house, oh well.. but it's a good thing for people to think ahead about.

pixelswim

11-02-06, 11:50 PM

I sit at almost exactly 9'. I have a 52". I am just a bit too close for this TV, Riverside has it just right IMO. I think 46 would be good at this distance, I just had to have something large. So, I do sacrifice a bit on perceived quality but given all that I would still pick the 52 again.

So if PQ dominates in the factors affecting your choice, 46 will work. Smaller TV's usually look sharper, more contrasty, and smoother. If you want a big screen and are willing to compromise a little, get the 52.

Riverside, Mark, Thanks for the comments guys. Yes, it's been really hard. My wife and I always kind of liked sitting down front at movies, so we don't mind having a too-big screen, leading me to think about the "fun-factor" of a bigger screen -- somehow 50-up seems to click on the excitement factor when I'm in the stores. But, realistically, I'm beginning to think going down a little will be better at home in my own viewing room. It will still seem big, probably really big considering I'll be going from a 20" sony crt (!) (in case you didn't already think I'm nuts, I'm not really even a tv watcher, sheesh) The 46 would be a little sharper and I'm also getting the impression that each time you go up, you see a little more trouble in those SD sources. And there's always the obvious thing that dropping screen size a little helps the player/audio budget.

--Best, pixelswim

DSET

11-03-06, 04:28 AM

I am leaning towards this set now
-can anyone confirm that it did 1080p on the XBOX 360 via VGA
and 1080p on component?

My other choice is the Sharp 37D90U which is alOT cheaper for 3inches smaller can anyone tell me if theres a great advantage or not with this TV?
I was also looking into the 40v2500 aswell but The lack of 360 1080p VGA is
annoying picture wise i think the sony is a tiny bit better but you tell me?

rswmkw

11-03-06, 07:18 AM

LN-S4695 Green hue

1st Thank you to everyone who has put their thought's into these last 97 pages. We have just got the LN-S4695 and love it, however when watching SD we notice a green hue's around dark edges Hair faces ect. Is this just a set up problem or is their a problem with this set. I have not changed any setting expect moved to stanard picture from dynamic.

Thank you

Riverside_Guy

11-03-06, 11:22 AM

Once you get close to the investment for a big HD display, one should also think about the audio side. I read of folks who go for the big screen size, then talk about using the crappy built in speakers. If you don't already have a decent multi-channel audio system, at 9 feet, go for the 40 and put the money saved into the audio. 40" at nine feet is very acceptable. Essentially one is going for an experience with a big HD set; don't scrimp on crappy audio, it just lessens from that experience!

mopar01

11-03-06, 11:59 AM

It will do 1080p over componant.

bosng

11-03-06, 12:07 PM

no harm in asking about what the speakers sound like. set the eq bass side down to zero + the one beside it and the speakers will sound fine.

that wasn't so painful was it?

as for getting a better system for audio i would agree that sound is the other half of home theater experience. which is why i have a denon 3802 and an svs sub.

to tell the truth i don't know if i want to hook up the tv to the amp because when movie watching i fire up the projector which is hooked up to the big sound system.

i may change my mind but till then i'll be using the internal speakers

djfrankie

11-03-06, 03:34 PM

Hello all,

Does anyone have the LN-S4041D (using directv) and how do they like it?

I'm considering this tv and the 42 inch Vizio Gallevia, need a little help.

Thanks for any advice.

Frank

rickyjames

11-03-06, 03:37 PM

Speaking of PIP, I've downloaded the manual for the Mits LT-46231 and it is unreal the number of PIP options that set has. See page 55.

rickyjames

11-03-06, 03:44 PM

And with that last post, I believe I can now post URLs for the Mits literature on the LT-46231:

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/j/i/18326/TelevisionDetails.html?cid=377

There's three links on that page to various PDF documents for the Product Specs, Dimensions and Owner's Manual.

I'm gonna go start an "official" thread to discuss this Mits 46" LCD TVs, look for it. Very surprising to me there hasn't been more discussion on this set as an alternative to the Sammy 4696, especially since people on this therad were talking about the 46" Sammy for MONTHS before it came out, while the Mits 46" LCD IS out now and doesn't even have its own thread.

DSET

11-03-06, 09:46 PM

It will do 1080p over componant.

what about VGA has anyone tried it?
VGA 1080p with the XBOX 360 on this TV

if it doesnt then theres no point in buying this tv i can buy and xbr\v2500 for a similar price

I want the 1080p via vga because I want the HDdvd playback because I have a 360 and I can afford 200 for it but I cant afford 700 for an hddvd player

dad1153

11-04-06, 02:10 AM

Speaking of PIP, I've downloaded the manual for the Mits LT-46231 and it is unreal the number of PIP options that set has. See page 55.

And those PIP options are on all the new Mitsu LCD's (LT-37131, LT-37132, LT-46131 and LT-46231) and are the only LCD that will allow PIP (although limited) with a 1080 source. Saw a Mitsu 46231 today at PC Richard & Son next to an LT-46131 and the PIP options were the same on both TV's using the same remote control (for the 46" model). If PIP is important then these and the Sammy's are the only games in town. How or why Sony and Sharp sold out the PIP-loving crowd with their new batch of 1080p LCD's is beyond words! :mad:

krispykeith

11-04-06, 02:23 AM

I know I read on one of these samsung forums that someone tried both vga and component 1080P and both worked fine. He reported no huge difference between the two but I understand your reasoning for needing VGA.

bosng

11-04-06, 03:48 AM

RC5150

11-04-06, 12:25 PM

I just picked up a Samsung LN-S4695D from Vanns online, they have a great sale going on with free shipping and NO TAX! and they're authorized dealers. They're giving me a free upconversion DVD player, satellite/mp3 player, $100 NFLshop online gift certificate, on top of special 24month 0% interest on all Samsung TVs.

Sorry I sound like a spammer for this site, but I had done enough online shopping around to know that this was a great deal! If you're thinking about and Sammy TV right now check them out now! The sale ends 11/6/06. I can't wait till mine comes!

p.s. I had done most of my research on this site. I almost got the Samsung Plasma 5053, but thanks to this site, I stayed clear of the infamous buzzing plasma and went with the LCD. Sacrafice 4" for better picture & technology. It's been great help!

badself

11-04-06, 03:21 PM

And those PIP options are on all the new Mitsu LCD's (LT-37131, LT-37132, LT-46131 and LT-46231) and are the only LCD that will allow PIP (although limited) with a 1080 source. Saw a Mitsu 46231 today at PC Richard & Son next to an LT-46131 and the PIP options were the same on both TV's using the same remote control (for the 46" model). If PIP is important then these and the Sammy's are the only games in town. How or why Sony and Sharp sold out the PIP-loving crowd with their new batch of 1080p LCD's is beyond words! :mad:

Not true, the Olevia Syntax 747i's Silicon Optix Realta supports more PIP options (in 1080p and lesser configurations) than these Mitsubishi's. I included a link to the Silicon Optix website in the Olevia LCD thread. Its PIP capabilities can be reviewed there.

dad1153

11-04-06, 06:23 PM

You're right badself, I overlooked the Olevia 747/742i sets. Guess their high price and limited distribution made me think they're beyond reach of most folks looking for an affordable 1080p LCD with various PIP options (you know, the stuff most important to 1.4% of the people on the market for an HDTV... LOL). Guess if you can afford and find them the rankings for top LCD's with 1080p resolution and PIP options would be Olevia 747/742i, Mitsubishi LT-46231/46131, Samsung 4X-5296/95D and Toshiba LZ196.

buzzy_

11-04-06, 07:15 PM

satellite/mp3 player, $100 NFLshop online gift certificateFYI these are a Samsung promotion available from lots of vendors, details at the Samsung website product pages.

TV Casualty

11-04-06, 09:48 PM

Just brought home the 4695 since the XBR2 didn't seem worth the money to me. So far so good, 360 over VGA looks great. Going to give this TV a chance even with the dreaded overscan (and I will be using this as a PC monitor). Hopefully can tweak it with my NVIDIA card to get it to look right.

Don't have a audio receiver set up at the moment so I'm kind of befuddled on what to do with my 360's audio. Might just run it through my Audigy2 Platinum Pro breakout box for now. I'll figure out something.

wtfer

11-05-06, 03:49 PM

can someone tell me without telling me to read the entire 49 page thread if these Samsung sets have QAM tuners and if the dynamic contrast (DlNe) option is able to be turned off in the menu?

thanks

Mongoos150

11-05-06, 04:36 PM

bosng

11-05-06, 05:18 PM

playing around with the "calibration" option in the service menu

my findings here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8824992&&#post8824992

tony400

11-05-06, 09:47 PM

Hello

I've already been disappointed in an earlier hdtv purchase of a Westinghouse HDTV. I wasn't about to make that mistake twice so this time around I saved up my hard earned cash for another several months and bought the flagship lcd model from one of the most reputable LCD manufacturers around (Samsung).

I purchased a samsung ln-s4696d. This TV cost me 8.5 times what my last tv cost! Even so, I've been disappointed in it's performance in some areas.

First some background...
I plan to eventually hook this tv up to one of the new high def dvd formats, once a winner is declared and the price comes down to the $300 range for a player. I also will be hooking up an Apple computer shortly for displaying slide shows to share with friends and family. For these two reasons I thought I wanted 1080 lines of resolution.

The location is on a wall opposite a southwest facing set of large picture windows. Since we do a lot of daytime watching on the weekends this ruled out plasma due to the reflections.

My main watching habits are general tv shows on channels like animal planet, fine living, science channel, hbo, fuel among others. Next we watch movies, most often saved onto our tivo, but occasionally (once a month or so) we rent a couple dvd's. I also watch a lot of hockey on FSNBA, always via the tivo recordings. Occasionally I play PS2 in the evenings. Even less frequently I'll get into the computer slide shows.

I've decided that due to the cost of this tv, I plan to keep it for 10 years.

Now onto the new setup....
Currently I've only watched it hooked up to:
A. An antenna for digital broadcasts
B. Via component inputs for a standard DVD player
C. Via S video to my tivo direct tv receiver

Next onto my findings...
1. The tv is much brighter, and works great in the room even with the sunny windows unshaded.
2. The articulating wall mount causes a lot of frustration, because Samsung placed the IO in line with the mounting screws! The wall mount system places a 1" diameter steel tube straight across this area. I'm unable to use high end connectors because they crash into the tube, I have to find very small connectors that are flexible and squeeze them into place.
3. The primetime HDTV over the air broadcasts are only so so. I compared the show 'House' on the directv tivo against the live broadcast in HDTV. The picture was incrementally better in the hdtv. Some of the things I noticed were the doctor was wearing a pinstriped gray suit in the hdtv, and wearing a solid gray suit in SDTV. I also noticed the wood grain in the office doors in the hdtv. Pretty minor things and I'd much rather use the tivo than suffer through watching live tv.
4. HDTV Football games are great on Fox, but on NBC they are only slightly better than SDTV on directv on my old Sony CRT (I tried to watch a game today to enjoy the tv, but I just can't get into football)
5. Nascar racing has a great picture too (but it put me to sleep).
6. kqed (public television) has 5 channels of coverage, but it's not very interesting.
7. About 4 days of live television is all I can take.
8. Directv recordings look like junk on this tv. Much much worse than on my Sony CRT (35" SDTV). This is a big problem since I really only like watching on tivo.
9. Older shows on directv look even worse, we watch Little House on the Prarie with my kids and the picture is terrible.
10. Now the REAL bug. When watching the Sharks on FSN+ the other day from the tivo recording, we found the picture very bad and blurry.
11. To top that off, we also found the tv choked on the motion between 5 and 10 times per period. The best way to describe the problem is that the action slows down for just an instant but it's very noticeable and irritating. (This never happened once on the CRT, so I'm sure it's a problem with the tv).
12. Getting even worse now was that the camera flashes at the arena come through on this tv as bright flashes and after a while they make you sick. Oddly enough, I've never once been to a professional sports event and wanted to take pictures, but apparently that is why people go. They take pictures even when nothing exciting is happening. The stadium needs to put an end to this if they want to continue to have people watch hockey on tv.
13. I watched another Sharks game from earlier in the week on FSN, and I thought the picture was perhaps slightly better, but it had the same slowdown glitch.
14. The sound in the tv is very bad - good thing I plan to use my surround system all the time.
15. Menus and graphics on the tv and on local hdtv broadcasts look REALLY good.
16. Standard def shows graphics look VERY bad.

Finally onto the conclusions....
*There's no way I'll watch 10 years of glitchy hockey so I think it's got to go back to the store.
*The only way I can watch hockey in HD is if I switch to comcast and I've only heard bad things about them. Their website sucks a**, (they have about 35 different channel packages so it took forever to figure out which one I needed). They don't offer Speed or Fuel in any of their regular channel packages which is a big problem. I priced out a package from them (digital plus and basic, with hdtv, and a hd dvr) and it's $96 a month! Crazy price!
* Even with switching to a HD DVR from directv, I figure the standard broadcast shows I watch most frequently will continue to have a crappy picture. Plus this would be the $300 investment in a piece of equipment that will become obsolete in less than a year due to the mpeg 4 switchover.
*I could try out the new series 3 tivo, but it's $800 plus a monthly fee AND I have to switch to comcast. This is a huge increase in the cost of this setup.
*My wifes a huge fan of the new tv on the wall, and said if I return it I'd better have a replacement when I get back from the store so I can't go back to my old Sony CRT.
*The NHL has to stop people from taking flash pictures somehow.
*Some local station needs to broadcast HDTV hockey over the air!

Is there a solution??!!! HELP!

bosng

11-05-06, 10:07 PM

have you tried turning down the brightness and playing with the esavings settings?

some easy tweaks also within the service menu.

if you're concerned about poor sd sources ala bad cable stations then 1080p is not for you. this tv does a very decent job at it but in general 1080p sets will not like
bad sd sources no matter what brand or technology so far.

dad1153

11-05-06, 11:07 PM

tony, this TV is only as good as the quality of the picture you feed it. Sounds from your tests that the best PQ came from over-the-air HD broadcasts of 'House.' If you were to upgrade to a quality HD provider (basically anything BUT Direct TV... wink, wink!) the Sammy will deliver better quality PQ than the standard signals you're feeding it now. Sucks, I know, but these TV's were designed for signals much higher than the 480i signals we're used to with tube TV's. The TV can't magnify a signal six times lower than what it's designed for without sacrifices.

Unless you're prepared to upgrade to HD providers (cable or satellite, i.e. Dish TV because Direct TV is universally acknowledged around this forum as garbage), Blue-Ray/HD-DVD/upconverting DVD player or XBox 360/PS3/computers then maybe this whole 1080p thing isn't for you. There's no perfect TV, but the one's out there are good at HD when they're fed HD. Feed them SD and you're basically playing Russina Roulette with your daily viewing habits. Maybe you should stick with analog TV until the switch to digital in 2009.

Alimentall

11-05-06, 11:42 PM

Is there a solution??!!! HELP!

Yes. Well, maybe. LCDs may never be quite as good as an HD CRT in some ways, but the NuVision LCDs, IMO, are much better than the Samsungs. I hate to sound like a broken record, but I think the Samsung LCDs are really bad, as are the Sonys and others. The Sim2 is the best I've seen at $7K+ but the NuVisions are nearly as good and are 1/4 the price.

bosng

11-05-06, 11:54 PM

crt's are dinosaurs. no thanks. the reflections they bring with them can go with em. good riddance.

plasmas are no better in that regard. yuck.

best on the block. lcd baby. :rolleyes:

jozhua

11-06-06, 04:38 AM

what about VGA has anyone tried it?
VGA 1080p with the XBOX 360 on this TV

if it doesnt then theres no point in buying this tv i can buy and xbr\v2500 for a similar price

I want the 1080p via vga because I want the HDdvd playback because I have a 360 and I can afford 200 for it but I cant afford 700 for an hddvd player

I just got this TV today with the VGA cord for the 360. I must say that compared to the Component, it is really lacking. The picture just doesn't feel as vibriant & bright(adjusting the the contrast/brightness settings does not help, it feels like you're looking through a very thin layer of fog as compared to viewing over component). Also, the layer of detail isn't quite as crisp. I did a few comparisons switching between the 2 and it was highly noticeable. The thing that bothers me is that regular DVDs get downscaled through component to 480p but they upconfort through the VGA. DVDs played through the VGA look remarkably better at 1920x1080. Guess this means I will probably have to just get an external HD DVD because after comparing component to VGA directly, there is no way I could go with VGA. Hope this helps

Alimentall

11-06-06, 09:35 AM

crt's are dinosaurs. no thanks. the reflections they bring with them can go with em. good riddance. best on the block. lcd baby. :rolleyes:

Yeah, well, I guess if you don't like contrast and can put up with the motion artifacts on a typical LCD................

Most people just dim the lights and the reflections go away. All of it is crap anyway compared to front projection, so don't get too cocky.

TV Casualty

11-06-06, 09:40 AM

I just got this TV today with the VGA cord for the 360. I must say that compared to the Component, it is really lacking. The picture just doesn't feel as vibriant & bright(adjusting the the contrast/brightness settings does not help, it feels like you're looking through a very thin layer of fog as compared to viewing over component). Also, the layer of detail isn't quite as crisp. I did a few comparisons switching between the 2 and it was highly noticeable. The thing that bothers me is that regular DVDs get downscaled through component to 480p but they upconfort through the VGA. DVDs played through the VGA look remarkably better at 1920x1080. Guess this means I will probably have to just get an external HD DVD because after comparing component to VGA directly, there is no way I could go with VGA. Hope this helps
Absolutely agreed on watching regular DVD through VGA on the 360. There is a shockingly noticeable (at least to me) difference between watching DVD through VGA and watching DVD through component on my 4695D. To the non-hardcore it could almost pass as HD. Pleasantly surprised.

However, I also agree that over VGA it looks a bit washed out for gaming. Sigh. I have an upconverting standalone DVD player, but I was HOPING that with the 360's update I'd be able to get rid of the upconverting standalone player and free up some space around my TV. For now I'll keep it, as the games are the #1 priority for me on the 360 and I'll probably lean towards whatever makes those look better.

buzzy_

11-08-06, 08:12 PM

There are so many off base comments here about SD quality.

If you're getting poor SD quality on the screen, it's because you're feeding the set a poor quality signal.

A compressed digital signal of SD (which you'd get from digital cable or satellite) or a low resolution broadcast digital feed is probably going to look bad except from fairly far away.

A real analog signal - from a good OTA antenna or some cable systems - will look very good.With a decent signal, these sets do a great job of SD - it almost looks like a DVD.

ZyronEnder

11-08-06, 08:53 PM

I'll say this: the Samsung is a great TV - no, excellent - *when*fed*a*really*good*signal*. Great colour. Razor sharp image. Pixel perfect image reproduction. That said, the TV behaves like a magnifying glass for imperfections in the signal. I don't believe Samsung should be singled out for this - all the 1080p sets are like this. The more detail they can show, the more likely they are to expose noise and compression artifacts, etc.

On one hand it seems unfair to fault a TV for doing such a good job of displaying the exact signal its being presented with. On the other hand, in the two weeks I had my set I learned that there are precious few pristine, high quality, noise free signals. At least where I live and the reality is that many of us are lucky enough to have high quality signals available and many are not. There are several surveys on the web that look at various cities and rate: how many HD channels are available, of the HD channels how much actual HD content do they show? and of the HD content how many are high quality signals versus highly compressed signals that look crappy? The results are quite startling for many areas.

Where I live, my experience was that Letterman, Leno, Conan O'Brien and most shows on Discovery were incredibly good - the occasional HD movie channel feed was as well. Unfortunately, my viewing habits tend not to include most of those programs!! Everything else was if not a little noisy, then alot noisy. Even primetime HD shows. Don't get me started on SD - several shows I tend to watch are SD only right now.

I purchased a Samsung 4696 1080p 46" set, had it in my house for about 2 weeks and returned it. My first HDTV. I hadn't done much research and had inflated expectations. What I realized was that my expectations were for the whole HD experience - not just the TV itself.

The reality is that we're in a real transition period for HDTV. Alot of stars have to align for the viewing experience people expect from an HDTV to actually happen: getting the TV sets able to precisely reproduce the best signals, getting the cable/satellite distributors to distribute uncompressed signals (compression adds all sorts of noise and weird image artifacts), and also getting the people that make the content in the first place to record/distribute it in HD rather than SD.

Anyways, thought I'd add my 2 cents to the recent discussions.

Cyber Chulo

11-09-06, 08:41 AM

Hey guys. I've just spent the past month going through 3 sets of LCD panels. The sharp 46 62u series, and 2 XBR2's. I've had vertical banding issues and cloudy uneven backlight issues. Now I turn to the Samsung 4696 or 5296 tv. For those if you that have this, are there any problems with uneven backlight bleeding? So far from what I read the only problem seems to be the buzzing issue from the speakers, but I'll be hooking it up to surround speakers. Does the sound come from the TV or through the external speakers as well? I have to make a decisiion at BB today to make a Friday night delivery. Any help ASAP is very much appreciated. Thanks.

gamingarena

11-09-06, 02:58 PM

Hi Everyone

I just got 4696D couple of days ago and i love it.
Came from 4051D, anyways i need your help!!!

TV display shadows and black color with a hint of green in it i read here and i see others have same problem i tried every setting to get rid of the extra green color that this screen displays.
I tried playing with the TINT, with the color weakness adding all 3 combinations(RED,Green, BLue) and nothing fixes the greenish shadows, played with the contrast, brightness etc..
So i'm wondering if there is extra Option in " Service Menu" That can be calibrated for the color and TINT/HUE ?
And please someone let me know how to access the hidden "Service Menu" on the 4696D.
Other then that it's a great TV amazing picture, but i can't believe that there is no way
of getting rid of the Greenish shadows with simple settings.
I just want to know if i can do it from SM before i try to return this set.

Thanks Everyone
I hope someone can help me out
Please how to Access Servce Menu??

buzzy_

11-09-06, 04:55 PM

gamingarena

11-09-06, 08:48 PM

There are posts here about how to access the service menu, but from your post you'd probably do more harm than good. (E.g., brightness and contrast weren't going to help you.) You'd be better off (1) resetting it to factory settings and (2) finding the posts about color weakness and how other people have done it.

Well i know what i'm doing i know contrast and birghtness will not help me get rid of the Green Hue in the shadows so that's why i need the servive menu since regular menu wont do the trick.

So please someone let me know how to access " Service Menu" for the Samsung 4696D
I keep seeing all the tweeks for the service menu but no one mentioned how to get there.

Anyone??
Thanks

cheaptv

11-09-06, 10:21 PM

Cyber Chulo

11-10-06, 02:08 PM

krispykeith

11-10-06, 02:21 PM

Hey guys. I was just told that I might get red flagged tomorrow when I pick up the 4696D. Cause I've exchanged 3 panels already the sharp and 2 xbr2's. After reading almost all the posts, it seems like 85% of the people here are statisfied with the 4696 even with the overscan and buzzing noise. I plan to pick this up tomorrow. My primary use is for the xbox 360, Wii and PS3. Do you guys think I am making the right choice? Cause once I make it, most likely they won't sell me another TV. lol....

The xbox360 was the primary reason I jumped to the 4695d right now and I do not have any regrets as of yet for that usage.

What were the reasons you returned the other sets? I only ask because I do believe there are tradeoffs with the LCD that will likely be similar to the other sets. Plasma's likely provide better blacks and better dvd performance....likely better SD performance as well. There seems to be daily debates whether 1080P is any improvement over 720P. I guess what I am saying is that depending on the things that bothered you on the other sets you may end up with the same issues on the Samsung.

I myself am very impressed with the picture and the performance on good sources but I definately see the tradeoff.

Cyber Chulo

11-10-06, 03:07 PM

Hey Krispykeith,
I returned the Sharp 46 62u set because of the terrible vertical banding I had. The two xbr2's had cloudy uneven backlight that made me cringe when I played Splinter Cell Double Agent. I haven't read of any backlight issues with the 4696 so I'm hoping when I pick this up tomorrow, I won't have a reason to return it. I understand that it does have overscan issues, but at this point, I'm willing to trade uneven backlighting for a little chop off the block.

chackling

11-10-06, 09:50 PM

Anyone had luck connecting a mac mini??? Manual says HDMI does not support PC connection--is this really true?? If I connect via HDMI will I be unable to use the PC in PIP mode?

Just need a recommendation on the easiest way to do this

Padrino

11-11-06, 12:01 AM

what about VGA has anyone tried it?
VGA 1080p with the XBOX 360 on this TV

if it doesn't then theres no point in buying this tv i can buy and xbr\v2500 for a similar price

I want the 1080p via vga because I want the HDdvd playback because I have a 360 and I can afford 200 for it but I cant afford 700 for an hddvd player

Although you will only get 1080p using VGA and 360 with the HD DVD movies (1080i with component) its not that big of a deal. The movies are not 1080p encoded and the TV de-interlaces well enough that I bet you would not be able to tell any difference. Basically, its either your TV or the 360 that is doing the de-interlacing. Its not like you are getting more picture just because the signal is 1080P. Now that games are 1080P through component (spring update), I compared 1080P and 1080i with games and I could not tell the difference.

That being said, the VGA works with the 360 however it bypasses some of the video processor and is a bit dull. I bought the VGA cable and tried to get it to look as good as component and I could not.

Cyber Chulo

11-11-06, 10:10 AM

This set is BEAUTIFUL! (4696). I can't believe how good this set is after calibration. Do you guys know how I can view how long the TV has been on through the service menu?

cR4p

11-11-06, 11:02 AM

This set is BEAUTIFUL! (4696). I can't believe how good this set is after calibration. Do you guys know how I can view how long the TV has been on through the service menu?

You mind sharing your settings, ive got the EU model of the 4096 (40F71B) and can't get SpyderTv to work on it, also can you disable DNiE using the service menu if you can can you mind sending me the codes and how to do it, thx a lot

krispykeith

11-11-06, 11:02 AM

Hey Cyber..do you mind posting your typical settings? I would be curious how you ended up after calibration?

rell323

11-11-06, 02:40 PM

I finally got my 4695D delivered and it's a beauty. Gears of War is SICK on this set. I managed to get this set at an unbelievable price so all in all, I'm a happy camper. I've been scrolling back to find settings advice. Anyone wanna share?

Mongoos150

11-11-06, 02:46 PM

Take some pictures of GOW! The XBR3 camp has some mind-blowing shots, let's see what the 95/6s can do!

mopar01

11-11-06, 03:33 PM

Padrino, why do you say the movies are not authored in 1080p? I believe you are wrong, both BlueRay and HDDVD are naitive 1080p. All the movies are 1080p but the fist gen players could only do 1080i. You xbox 360 hddvd player via vga does not do anything to the material. No descaling or upscaling on either side!! WE need MS to release an HDMI cable as the vga looks way too dull.

rell323

11-11-06, 06:39 PM

Take some pictures of GOW! The XBR3 camp has some mind-blowing shots, let's see what the 95/6s can do!

Just got back home. I've been kicking the tires a bit. Will post pics in a soon.

Mongoos150

11-12-06, 04:18 AM

Just got back home. I've been kicking the tires a bit. Will post pics in a soon.

Awesome, thanks!

Also - can anyone please measure l/w of their 40" panel? I've been looking for length and width all over online, amazon and Cnet give different dimensions. Some say 44x32, some say 39x28 - very confused. Thanks!

valvestud

11-12-06, 10:47 AM

If you mean the actual glass, I calculate it to be pretty close to 35" X 19.7".

(35 squared plus 19.6 squared, add together and take the square root = 40.15".)

pelly77

11-13-06, 12:52 PM

Hello, I am curious if anyone here would mind posting the optimal settings, ie. color, brightness, sharpness, etc for each mode?

I am color blind as they get and I seem to have trouble finding the right combo's as noted by a few guests @ my house this weekend :)

Thanks.

tbb73

11-13-06, 01:09 PM

9ks2k

11-13-06, 09:03 PM

im looking to get the 4095 and run ps3 on it but whats this about hdmi not running 1:1 will this make the games look worse and should i go with the sony bravia instead?

chappy16775

11-13-06, 10:37 PM

most TV's have overscan so its not really noticeable and game makers will allow for it.

Wiz33

11-14-06, 01:50 AM

Riverside_Guy

11-14-06, 10:50 AM

most TV's have overscan so its not really noticeable and game makers will allow for it.

Apparently not always. I remember a guy who was having quite a freak-out over one of the Ghost Recons. After he posted some screen shots I saw that it wasn't that a very small amount of edge was gone, but the game itself put this crazy line border around the playing area; some of it fell into the cropped off (overscanned) area. If that "line" didn't exist, the overscan probably wouldn't be noticeable after a bit of playing. BUT it was like they were hitting you over the head and slapping your face "your TV overscans, bad, bad, bad."

bosng

11-14-06, 12:36 PM

most TV's have overscan so its not really noticeable and game makers will allow for it.

when i called samsung cs, she knew nothing about overscan and claimed it needed to be serviced.

9ks2k

11-14-06, 04:22 PM

im more concered abour PS3 games

strange_brew

11-14-06, 06:04 PM

*There's no way I'll watch 10 years of glitchy hockey so I think it's got to go back to the store.
*The only way I can watch hockey in HD is if I switch to comcast and I've only heard bad things about them. Their website sucks a**, (they have about 35 different channel packages so it took forever to figure out which one I needed). They don't offer Speed or Fuel in any of their regular channel packages which is a big problem. I priced out a package from them (digital plus and basic, with hdtv, and a hd dvr) and it's $96 a month! Crazy price!
I just couldn't resist posting a comment about hockey on page 99 of this thread ;)

Seriously though, with that large a display - even the Sharp - I don't think you'll be happy with anything less than HD for hockey. Its just very difficult for a display to deal with the upconversion (although I guess you could try an outboard scaler). Anyway, FWIW, after a lot of thought and comparison, I have decided to pull the trigger on the LNS4696. Part of the reason for this is seeing hockey in HD on a friends set - it is simply jaw-drop stunning.

Btw, you could always move to Canada. Loads of HD hockey up here ;)

wirechild73

11-14-06, 07:07 PM

Finally onto the conclusions....
*There's no way I'll watch 10 years of glitchy hockey so I think it's got to go back to the store.
*Some local station needs to broadcast HDTV hockey over the air!

Is there a solution??!!! HELP!

I think some Soap Operas is broadcast in HD, isn't that the same as hockey? Just watch them instead... :eek:

I would suggest a good plasma or the sharp LCD..... I bought the sharp, but decided the banding was too much for me to deal with and took it back and exchanged for a pio 5071 plasma today. If you are willing to deal with the banding until they find a fix and replace your set with a good one then it is a really nice set. By far the best LCD for SD. I will report back on the pio, I got 30 days to decide and if it holds up then I saved $400.

Cyber Chulo

11-14-06, 11:58 PM

Here are some shots of my new 4696D. Never regretted picking this up. Now I'm ready for the PS3 this Friday!

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5628/sammy1an0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4152/sammy3ha1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5505/sammy2ut8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

9ks2k

11-15-06, 12:06 AM

i noticed that on this TV on display showed images to be zoomed in more then the other tvs? why is that?,

rell323

11-15-06, 02:18 AM

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/9/28/246128/Setup1_800x600.jpg Nice set Chulo. 1080p through component is amazing. Can't wait for the HD-DVD add-on!

Cyber Chulo

11-15-06, 05:22 AM

Thank you sir. I especially like the fact that the TV swivels. Perfect for when I get the Wii. Cause that 46 incher is setup in front of my bed. When I sit up in bed, that's the first thing I see. Now that I can swivel it, I can still look directly ahead while I perform my morning Wii exercises! hahahahahahahhahaha

Cyber Chulo

11-15-06, 05:30 AM

i noticed that on this TV on display showed images to be zoomed in more then the other tvs? why is that?,

The Sammy's do have overscan but it's not that bad. Compare below. Trust me, I'd take a perfect looking, even backlit screen than a cloudy patched up set any day. (If ya know what I mean)

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5505/sammy2ut8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)[/QUOTE]

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/8928/gearsofwar2006110703503zw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Amel

11-15-06, 09:21 AM

where do you see the overscan, what exactly is overscan?

tcwong

11-15-06, 10:31 PM

See the lower left corner? Some of the image is being chopped off

rell323

11-16-06, 02:28 AM

See the lower left corner? Some of the image is being chopped off

Looks like you quenched that thirst with a little Haterade. Chulo will agree that when you are playing games, the overscan issue in no way affects the experience.

sethian

11-16-06, 11:15 AM

I am sure it is here, but can someone guide me through how to calibrate this set ?

Thanks.

Cyber Chulo

11-16-06, 02:22 PM

Looks like you quenched that thirst with a little Haterade. Chulo will agree that when you are playing games, the overscan issue in no way affects the experience.

Dat's right brotha. All I see is beautiful graphics in HD glory. Now to get another power strip ready for the PS3 and the Wii. Gotta love that swivel stand!

DeadPixelBuddy

11-16-06, 03:29 PM

Hey Cyber Chulo, would you mind posting a few more GoW shots? I'm buying the Xbox360 mainly for this game, and your playing it on the screen I'm debating picking up, so its a 2 for 2. I'd greatly appreciate it! :)

tony400

11-16-06, 03:51 PM

Thanks to everyone who posted replies to my long post. It took several tech support calls to directv - but I finally got a decent tech who pinpointed the problem I'm having. My satellitte signal is too low and that's what is causing problems with the quality and slowdowns. Their computer systems to schedule technician visits was down (how does a company wide scheduling system go down!? That's unbelievable) and they were supposed to call me to schedule a technician visit to troubleshoot it and get my signal strength back up but they haven't called in 3 days. I only have a bad signal on one of the three satellites, and it happens to be the satellite that broadcasts sports channels.

So it appears it's NOT the fault of the tV as I had initially thought. Several posters pointed out that it was likely a signal issue so they were correct.

Diretv has started to offer FSN BA HD broadcasts for baseball - and they stated it's just a matter of time until hockey is broadcast as well. They still want me to pay $150 upfront lease fees for a HD DVR as well as sign up for a 2 year contract to upgrade to HD service. They also are out of stock on the hardware, and can't even offer an expected delivery date.

I am still leaning towards cable for that reason - my up front costs for installation will be slightly higher, and my monthly bill will be higher, but I will get hockey in HD and a HD DVR right away and I don't think I'll need to commit to a timeframe.

I've also noticed some strange video problems:
1.this week's prison break, during the scenes with the torture questioning of dr. tankrete with the sunlit window backlighting the characters, the picture had the look of a digitized/animated version, something like those financial company comercials.
2. Gradients are not displayed as gradients, they come through as banded style gradients instead (think of a printed version of a rainbow instead of one in the sky). I understand this is a common problem with LCD's.
3. I see a lot of rainbow coloring during hockey - but I hope that will go away when I get the signal strength back up.
4. an uneven backlight when using my old DVD player - but haven't noticed it on other signals.

drew138

11-16-06, 06:12 PM

Why did you get a 4696 when the primary difference is the inclusion of a cablecard slot; and you have Directv

Amel

11-20-06, 09:43 AM

any updates on this set

the price is dropping each week

its under 2500 right now

Amel

11-20-06, 09:45 AM

See the lower left corner? Some of the image is being chopped off

I have no clue what you are talking about, can anyone clarify it for me

thanks :)

the3rdpower

11-20-06, 12:13 PM

I just got this TV today with the VGA cord for the 360. I must say that compared to the Component, it is really lacking. The picture just doesn't feel as vibriant & bright(adjusting the the contrast/brightness settings does not help, it feels like you're looking through a very thin layer of fog as compared to viewing over component). Also, the layer of detail isn't quite as crisp. I did a few comparisons switching between the 2 and it was highly noticeable. The thing that bothers me is that regular DVDs get downscaled through component to 480p but they upconfort through the VGA. DVDs played through the VGA look remarkably better at 1920x1080. Guess this means I will probably have to just get an external HD DVD because after comparing component to VGA directly, there is no way I could go with VGA. Hope this helps

I was EXTREMELY worried about this. The VGA output on the 360 is pushed as video-level VGA not PC-level VGA. The Samsung TV see the output as a PC and so it will not show a great picture. What's even more irritating is that the Samsung does not allow you to modify the PQ on the VGA input! 1080p w/ the HD-DVD is virtually impossible until MSFT/Samsung work things out!

9ks2k

11-20-06, 03:29 PM

so are u telling me that Blue ray movies wont be in 1080p?? if thats the case im getting a sony v2500 tv

the3rdpower

11-20-06, 06:14 PM

Blue Ray? The Xbox pushes 360 HD-DVD and the Samsung accepts it. The problem is the VGA tends to be cloudy and not that great. MSFT and Samsung need to get things together on this front.

arobase

11-21-06, 10:38 AM

Let me apologize if this has already been asked or mentioned. I am a noob here!
I have read others experiences with the VGA connection from the XBOX 360 and see some people having issues with the picture....count yourselves lucky. I get the message
"Signal Not Supported" with no picture at all!

I have tried all the resolution settings on my xbox - 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p

I have power cycled the display when I connect the xbox.

This is really frustrating as I purchased the HD-DVD player and VGA adapter to watch 1080p on this display. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Until then I guess I am stuck watching over component. Really sucks that M$ won't make a DVI /HDMI cable.

I know the display upconverts to 1080p anyway....but I would assume a straight 1080p signal would be better. Again any help would be greatly appreciated.

chappy16775

11-21-06, 12:01 PM

Has anyone had the overscan turned off by the technician?

I have a tech coming out to fix my TV. (4696D)

Amel

11-21-06, 12:33 PM

Has anyone had the overscan turned off by the technician?

I have a tech coming out to fix my TV. (4696D)

thats great news if it works out for you

please update us as soon as possible

neonsnow

11-21-06, 05:07 PM

thats great news if it works out for you

please update us as soon as possible

Recently Samsung decided that they put "Just scan" option. but it should work on HDMI only which mean still DO overscan on Component input.

Technician going to visit your home to upgrade firmware if you already bought LN-Sxx96D

ronning

11-21-06, 05:35 PM

Recently Samsung decided that they put "Just scan" option. but it should work on HDMI only which mean still DO overscan on Component input.

Technician going to visit your home to upgrade firmware if you already bought LN-Sxx96D

What is this "just scan" option? Does this turn off overscan? Is this only available with newer firmware sets?

buzzy_

11-21-06, 07:35 PM

Has anyone had the overscan turned off by the technician?

I have a tech coming out to fix my TV. (4696D)Reportedly there is a firmware upgrade that will do this.

mfogarty5

11-21-06, 07:39 PM

Has anyone had the overscan turned off by the technician?

I have a tech coming out to fix my TV. (4696D)

A poster named betatesterzz was supposed to have it done last week, but I haven't seen any posts about it. I PM'd him hoping that he will share his results.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8719908&&#post8719908

I am really curious about this because I want to get an external video processor, but don't want to buy one if I can't get 1:1 pixel mapping.

BoostGeek

11-21-06, 07:56 PM

Grrr I don't know if I should pull the trigger or see what the next generation of Samsung LCDs brings.

tf4

11-21-06, 10:55 PM

9ks2k

11-21-06, 11:39 PM

Can you explain to me the difference between a LNS4096D and a LNS4095D? I still cannot figure it out on Amazon Is it a cable card like you said? I use directtv and will always use satellite. Thanks in advance.

Tom

The LN-S4095D and LN-S4096D are identical in all respects except that the LN-S4096D:

Is Digital Cable Ready (DCR)
Has an IEEE1394 (Firewire) jack which lets you network together, exchange content between, and control up to 10 IEEE1394 equipped devices (for example, VCRs, DVD players, and Set-Top-Boxes).
Has a USB 1.1 jack which lets you view photo (JPEG) files and listen to audio (MP3) files saved on a USB Mass Storage Class (MSC) device on your TV.

The LN-S4095D does not have these features.

DeadPixelBuddy

11-22-06, 12:35 AM

Well I recently picked up the LN-S4095D, and I must say that I'm very amazed at the quality. As most people know, SD quality depends on the quality of the signal, so on those with a good signal, the quality is comparable to my previous Sony CRT. (No better/no worse)

I'm using a cheap Toshiba Up-Scanning DVD player (1080i) and several movies I have tested look absolutely stunning (Especially Sin-City).

I have no audible buzz from my speakers or the TV itself, nor any noticeable back light bleeding. I do however have one stuck pixel. I'm wondering if its worth the risk to have it exchanged in hopes of getting one without any stuck/dead pixels. (Purchased it locally from BB.)

Other than that one pixel, I must say that the LN-S4095D has been one of the best purchases I've made in a long time.

If you would like any pic's in particular, do let me know.

9ks2k

11-22-06, 12:37 AM

return it more pixels will die

neonsnow

11-22-06, 02:28 AM

What is this "just scan" option? Does this turn off overscan? Is this only available with newer firmware sets?

Adding "Just scan" option means you get 1:1 pixel mapping -dot by dot - but before I said It JUST works on HDMI input.... not on Component input.

* before firmware-upgrade:
- HDTV tuner : around 3% overscan
- D-Sub(vga) : perfect pixel mapping (dot by dot)
- HDMI : around 3% overscan
- Component : around 4% overscan

* after firmware-upgrade:
- HDTV tuner : same as above
- D-Sub(vga) : same
- HDMI : perfect pixel mapping now! (ye. able to turn on/off overscan mod)
- Component : same

krispykeith

11-22-06, 02:45 AM

[QUOTE=Cyber Chulo]Here are some shots of my new 4696D. Never regretted picking this up. Now I'm ready for the PS3 this Friday!

Hey Cyber Chulo...would you mind posting your settings when playing Gears of War? Picture mode and the various settings within it. I am struggling to find a good setting for that game and your pic looked pretty great.

mhakman

11-22-06, 07:39 AM

Recently Samsung decided that they put "Just scan" option. but it should work on HDMI only which mean still DO overscan on Component input.

Technician going to visit your home to upgrade firmware if you already bought LN-Sxx96D

Can you download the fix and do it yourself?

Thanks/Mikael

furboo

11-22-06, 09:22 AM

Adding "Just scan" option means you get 1:1 pixel mapping -dot by dot - but before I said It JUST works on HDMI input.... not on Component input.

Where did you get this info? Thanks.

neonsnow

11-22-06, 12:55 PM

Where did you get this info? Thanks.
I got info from Korean tachnitian and review site. believe me its true. you are going to be gotten upgrade soon. in Korea, they are going to start upgrade firmware from 28th Nov.

check followng images. just see images. you dont have to understand Korean words. even if you dont have any clue about Korean langueage, it should be help to understand what images mean easily

- monitor4u.co.kr/Review/review4u/ReviewImg/mosel_dvi_res_169.jpg
* Resolution Pattern - 16:9 mode (overscanned)

- monitor4u.co.kr/Review/review4u/ReviewImg/mosel_dvi_res_justscan.jpg
* Resolution Pattern - Justscan mode (1:1 pixel matched) -> after upgrade firmware

got trouble to link url directly, consider'd me as spammer until post 5 entries (by avsforum bot..) he~ :D

9ks2k

11-22-06, 01:12 PM

would this be done to all 4095d's also?? cause i might hold off on getting a sony v2500 or the sharp 46in

cash banquet

11-22-06, 01:25 PM

so does that mean the firmware is out now in the US? Or is the Nov 28th date for Korea for the US also?

How can I tell what version of firmware I have if I pick up this TV in the next couple weeks??

Amel

11-22-06, 01:31 PM

thats amazing

thanks neonsnow

BoostGeek

11-22-06, 01:41 PM

X2

Can you download the fix and do it yourself?

Thanks/Mikael

cash banquet

11-22-06, 01:51 PM

X2

sorry, what does "X2" mean?

Amel

11-22-06, 02:16 PM

I think it means "I would like to know too"

yuzna

11-22-06, 03:19 PM

I would really like to know about this firmware update too, since I am currently debating between the SONY KDL40V2500 and the Samsung LNS4095D. This would definitley favor the Samsung :)

spankynuts

11-22-06, 04:56 PM

Yes, please somebody confirm this on the LNS4095D and I will go the nearest BB and purchase. Unless they are updating via USB.. if that is the case the 4095d doesn't have that. Thanks!

BoostGeek

11-22-06, 05:39 PM

It means times two as in it means I'd like to know as well.

sorry, what does "X2" mean?

Amel

11-22-06, 06:43 PM

Yes, please somebody confirm this on the LNS4095D and I will go the nearest BB and purchase. Unless they are updating via USB.. if that is the case the 4095d doesn't have that. Thanks!

wait a little or safe up money and get the 4695, or 4696

mfogarty5

11-22-06, 06:48 PM

Yes, please somebody confirm this on the LNS4095D and I will go the nearest BB and purchase. Unless they are updating via USB.. if that is the case the 4095d doesn't have that. Thanks!

spankynuts,

The 4095D does have a USB port that can be used to update the firmware.

The 4095D does not have a USB port designed to show photos, etc.

macrosssdf1

11-22-06, 07:01 PM

Yes, please somebody confirm this on the LNS4095D and I will go the nearest BB and purchase. Unless they are updating via USB.. if that is the case the 4095d doesn't have that. Thanks!

Do you live near a Fry's Electronics? I bought my 4095 there, and they gave me their web price which is very very low.

spankynuts

11-22-06, 07:24 PM

Do you live near a Fry's Electronics? I bought my 4095 there, and they gave me their web price which is very very low.

I have an electronics expo near me.. and since we can't post prices.. look up the lns4095d on the electronics-expo website and that's what Best Buy will match.. It's too bad they won't throw in the price match plus 10% or the $400 for directv installation. I am not planning on using it as a monitor, but with overscan enabled it also effects regular TV watching.. correct? I tried calling Samsung on the issue, but the guy had no idea what I was talking about or any such firmware upgrades. I'll just wait until somebody reports back.

macrosssdf1

11-22-06, 11:43 PM

I have an electronics expo near me.. and since we can't post prices.. look up the lns4095d on the electronics-expo website and that's what Best Buy will match.. It's too bad they won't throw in the price match plus 10% or the $400 for directv installation. I am not planning on using it as a monitor, but with overscan enabled it also effects regular TV watching.. correct? I tried calling Samsung on the issue, but the guy had no idea what I was talking about or any such firmware upgrades. I'll just wait until somebody reports back.

Oh, never heard of those stores, prob don't have them in southern california. Is it a walk in retail store like best buy? Fry's is, and the price at fry's website is cheaper than the one at EE. It was strange, their advertised price on the web was way cheaper than instore price. The guys in the store couldn't belive the price I quoted them off their own web. Had to make them look it up hehe. It does say on their web that the prices will differ, but the store guys gave me the lower web price anyhow, so I took it home right away that same day.

Hopefuly the tech you talked to is just and idiot, and the firmware does really exist. I'm runing mine through vga atm on my geforce8800 gtx cause it overscans like crazy on hdmi. Cant even see the startmenu button or the clock or systray or anything. It's alot more than 2% overscan that's for sure. Dunno if it's my card or what. Colors are definately better through hdmi, over vga the reds look super bright red.