Samsung LN-S4696D/LN-S4096D [Text View] - Page 2

Jrain

06-02-06, 11:25 AM

________________4096D________4095D
DCR_____________Yes__________ No
IEE 1394 _________Yes__________ No
RS232C __________Yes__________ No
DNIe ____________No___________ Yes
1080p over
Component ______ No____________ Yes
USB ____________Yes____________No

How is that!!!

You want my guess? IF, as might be the case, the 4095 is a BB-only model, my guess is that BB made a commitment to purchase a lot of these sets, with the criteria that there be actual model differentiation to the 4096, so as to avoid simple 'pricegrabber' or store-browsing comparisons being doable. BB might be able to sell a customer on perhaps the couple features it has, that other stores' 4096 models don't, and be able to perhaps offer at a different price... it's just marketing..

DCR, firewire, USB.. aren't the kinda specs that usually show up in advertising circulars, but the main points, 1080p, 6000:1 contrast ratio, HDMI etc are, and they'd still be able to sell TVs with those points.

MUGEN

06-02-06, 11:26 AM

both 95 and 96 have 2 component

impetigo

06-02-06, 11:26 AM

It's not important to me either. I'm just pondering resale values.

The non-DCR TVs will look like 2005 models in say 2008.

I'm just thinking that the current DCR feature in tvs won't be a huge factor considering that it may become obsolete pretty soon, e.g. when and after the 2-way cable card becomes implemented.

I just hope that DNIe can be toggled on/off on the 4095, otherwise it may be the deal-breaker for me.

Cocteau

06-02-06, 11:27 AM

What is going on with this guys!!
Why not make one Tv that has everything and call it a day!!

I planning to connect my Cable box, DVD player, XBOX 360 and future Blue Ray as well as my PC for Media Center.

What should I get?? I can use a Video switcher or receiver but I would prefer to go straight to the TV...

I don't get it either. I'm just running on the word from Samsung yesterday that there are issues with the DCR, and they want to get something out fast (the 95-series with ATSC)

Is the DVD player HDMI?

How about the X-Box?

You want the cable box on HDMI 1.

You want the Blu-Ray on HDMI 2.

edit: If you have non-HDMI components like X-Box, you should probably get the 95-series with the 1080p component jack. No?

Cocteau

06-02-06, 11:31 AM

I'm just thinking that the current DCR feature in tvs won't be a huge factor considering that it may become obsolete pretty soon, e.g. when and after the 2-way cable card becomes implemented.

I just hope that DNIe can be toggled on/off on the 4095, otherwise it may be the deal-breaker for me.

Agreed, and agreed.

How can it not be toggled off?

My buddy has last year's Sammy, and you can turn it on and off.

I just remember that ON made the TV look a bit darker.

Cocteau

06-02-06, 11:34 AM

You want my guess? IF, as might be the case, the 4095 is a BB-only model, my guess is that BB made a commitment to purchase a lot of these sets, with the criteria that there be actual model differentiation to the 4096, so as to avoid simple 'pricegrabber' or store-browsing comparisons being doable. BB might be able to sell a customer on perhaps the couple features it has, that other stores' 4096 models don't, and be able to perhaps offer at a different price... it's just marketing..

Good guess.

Would explain why the 95 series was never at CES.

However, there's more going on than just marketing. There are technical differances here too.

foxdie

06-02-06, 11:35 AM

There were prior posts (not sure if it was within this thread), but for some reason got deleted, by a supposed Best Buy employee who had indicated that the 4095 is the model number that Best Buy has in their inventory system. So the 4095 *might* be a Best-Buy specific model (like the Pioneer 4361 is, when all other places sell the 4360).

Anyone wanna call Best Buy and ask them to look up? and also see if they have the 4096?

Best buy SKU 7843854 for the 4095d(less 700 of msrp), the 4096d is not in the system and probably wont be. last season they picked up the Sony XBR1 40 inch and didnt touch samsung's higher end series. no sony Xbr2 or xbr3 in the system yet, of course!

impetigo

06-02-06, 11:38 AM

How can it not be toggled off?

My buddy has last year's Sammy, and you can turn it on and off.

From what I hear, many of the models with DNIe do not allow it to be turned off (although supposedly going to "movie mode" turns it off, but cannot be independently switched on and off), with some exceptions like one of the 32" models. I suspect that Samsung has or is becoming aware of the DNIe criticisms and will make more models with a toggle off option or without it at all. Or so I hope...

Ryu Hayabusa

06-02-06, 11:51 AM

Is the DCR really that important to many people? I've been reading that not many cable companies are supporting cable card 1 due to lack of 2 way communication or copyright protection or what not, and that cable card 2 development is not making significant progress lately. Or is there more to DCR than just having a cable card slot?

By Samsung's terminology, DCR includes cable card support plus QAM tuner. QAM tuners allow some cable subscribers to get unecrypted digital channels including some local HD and other HD directly on their TV by feeding coxial cable to the TV. Some people with QAM tuners are just paying ~$15/mo. for basic cable and getting all these other digital channels for free.

Cocteau

06-02-06, 11:54 AM

Best buy SKU 7843854 for the 4095d(less 700 of msrp), the 4096d is not in the system and probably wont be. last season they picked up the Sony XBR1 40 inch and didnt touch samsung's higher end series. no sony Xbr2 or xbr3 in the system yet, of course!

LOL, he was right!!!

I guess I'm back to wating on the 4096D

Jrain

06-02-06, 11:55 AM

Good guess.

Would explain why the 95 series was never at CES.

However, there's more going on than just marketing. There are technical differances here too.

If BB wants to have a different price and avoid customer shopping comparisons, the technical differences have to be there.. ie. there has to be more of a difference than the model number etched onto the back panel (or wherever they actually put this)..

Cocteau

06-02-06, 11:56 AM

From what I hear, many of the models with DNIe do not allow it to be turned off (although supposedly going to "movie mode" turns it off, but cannot be independently switched on and off), with some exceptions like one of the 32" models. I suspect that Samsung has or is becoming aware of the DNIe criticisms and will make more models with a toggle off option or without it at all. Or so I hope...

Good info.

I'm watching this in connection with the 4096D

Cocteau

06-02-06, 12:00 PM

If BB wants to have a different price and avoid customer shopping comparisons, the technical differences have to be there.. ie. there has to be more of a difference than the model number etched onto the back panel (or wherever they actually put this)..

You see that poster Foxdie got a Best Buy SKU already on the 4095D?

LOL, you were right.

So Best Buy is first out the gate with the 1080p Sammy, and I'm waiting on the 4096D.

I am psyched to go see the 4095D in action though.

impetigo

06-02-06, 12:08 PM

Best buy SKU 7843854 for the 4095d(less 700 of msrp)

"less 700 of msrp"?

So... this means the msrp is actually $3300 instead of $4k? That would be great and more reasonable.

impetigo

06-02-06, 12:10 PM

By Samsung's terminology, DCR includes cable card support plus QAM tuner. QAM tuners allow some cable subscribers to get unecrypted digital channels including some local HD and other HD directly on their TV by feeding coxial cable to the TV. Some people with QAM tuners are just paying ~$15/mo. for basic cable and getting all these other digital channels for free.

Hopefully the 4095 will come with a QAM tuner, although it seems like it won't. Cable card I don't need, but the QAM/clear tuner would be good to have. I suspect it won't though.

Ryu Hayabusa

06-02-06, 12:18 PM

Hopefully the 4095 will come with a QAM tuner, although it seems like it won't. Cable card I don't need, but the QAM/clear tuner would be good to have. I suspect it won't though.
Unless they change the specs compared to what is on the website, the 4095 won't have QAM. The same holds for all of their new LCD models - no "DCR" means no QAM.

Cocteau

06-02-06, 12:18 PM

"less 700 of msrp"?

So... this means the msrp is actually $3300 instead of $4k? That would be great and more reasonable.

No kidding.

However I called Best Buy just now, and they didn't know the 4095D nor the SKU that Foxdie mentioned.

Then the Bozo tried to get me to buy the 4092D. LOL.

When that failed, they tried to get me to buy a Father's Day card.

Jrain

06-02-06, 12:23 PM

You see that poster Foxdie got a Best Buy SKU already on the 4095D?

LOL, you were right.

So Best Buy is first out the gate with the 1080p Sammy, and I'm waiting on the 4096D.

I am psyched to go see the 4095D in action though.

I think Foxdie is referring to warehouse inventory system, which may well be different and unaccessible to the store computers..

Knowing the sku doesn't mean its in stock at the retail stores or even allowed to be sold (there may well be an authorized release date so as to clear out other inventory of other models). Other sites have the 4096 on pre-order (such as ABT Electronics), so BB is not necessarily first out of the gate..

Cocteau

06-02-06, 12:47 PM

Knowing the sku doesn't mean its in stock at the retail stores or even allowed to be sold (there may well be an authorized release date so as to clear out other inventory of other models). Other sites have the 4096 on pre-order (such as ABT Electronics), so BB is not necessarily first out of the gate..

Okay.

Just bring it on already!

yr63

06-02-06, 12:59 PM

...says B&H. 95 that is.

foxdie

06-02-06, 01:17 PM

"less 700 of msrp"?

So... this means the msrp is actually $3300 instead of $4k? That would be great and more reasonable.
no the msrp is still $4000, but its against the rules to say the retail in "$xxxx" so i had to use code....looking over my shoulder... :)

foxdie

06-02-06, 01:20 PM

No kidding.

However I called Best Buy just now, and they didn't know the 4095D nor the SKU that Foxdie mentioned.

Then the Bozo tried to get me to buy the 4092D. LOL.

When that failed, they tried to get me to buy a Father's Day card.

He didnt know of it or he couldnt find it??? I searched for that item using the price check method, hitting F10, and by using BB RSS searching system both worked. Sometimes new items are blocked from the F10 method, but this one came up without a problem. Call back tell the person to go to a rigister hit F10 and type in the sku 7843854

foxdie

06-02-06, 01:24 PM

I think Foxdie is referring to warehouse inventory system, which may well be different and unaccessible to the store computers..

Knowing the sku doesn't mean its in stock at the retail stores or even allowed to be sold (there may well be an authorized release date so as to clear out other inventory of other models). Other sites have the 4096 on pre-order (such as ABT Electronics), so BB is not necessarily first out of the gate..

It is not in stock yet, the Warehouse and all stores show "0" on hand. But the fact that it is in the system means best buy will carry the item. It doesnt mean all stores will get a display tv, but when it is released they could order them for customers. The computer system does not say when it will arrive. I can have the Scan up tonight if you need more proof. check back 10:30ish CST
http://www.e46fanatics.com/members/bender/scan.jpg

Cocteau

06-02-06, 01:32 PM

He didnt know of it or he couldnt find it??? I searched for that item using the price check method, hitting F10, and by using BB RSS searching system both worked. Sometimes new items are blocked from the F10 method, but this one came up without a problem. Call back tell the person to go to a rigister hit F10 and type in the sku 7843854

Thanks Foxdie. :)

MUGEN

06-02-06, 01:32 PM

rmb1035

06-02-06, 01:35 PM

no "DCR" means no QAM.
Not necessarily. "DCR" just means that the set has both a QAM tuner and a Cablecard slot. I have seen sets from other manufacturers that had a QAM tuner but didn't have an Cablecard slot. (Remember that QAM tuners have been around for a long time while Cablecards are a relatively new item.) But from what I'm reading here, I agree that it sounds likely that they have dumped both of them from this particular model line.

MUGEN

06-02-06, 01:44 PM

i have a sharp that has a cable card and no qam. we need a manual to give us all the answers we really need or make Cocteau call samsung again ;)

Cocteau

06-02-06, 01:57 PM

in 2-4 weeks...says B&H. 95 that is.

Bad news for me.

I'll be bummed if the 96 isn't for sale on line until after July 4th.

We'll see.

Cocteau

06-02-06, 01:59 PM

i have a sharp that has a cable card and no qam. we need a manual to give us all the answers we really need or make Cocteau call samsung again ;)

LOL.

I've called so many time they have asssigned me an account number.

I told them it's their own fault for juggling the numbers around, and teasing us. :)

Jrain

06-02-06, 02:00 PM

b&h has the LNS4695D listed for $4,499.95 they usually show msrp price. it looks like pre order for now.

the 95 series looks like it is missing the glass on the bottom of the tv, it has been replaced with metal.

FYI, knowing a bit about how B&H has operated in the past.. If they are taking preorders on the 4695 (and specifying 2-4 weeks as they are), they basically know with a good degree of certainty that the units will be in stock within the next 30 days.. That's because their policy is to charge your card as soon as you place the order, not when the item ships. there are regulations though that if they haven't shipped within 30 days of taking your money, they need to refund it (this is my understanding) -- something they'd never want to knowlingly risk.

whoops.. edited to read 4695 (not 4095 above).

Cocteau

06-02-06, 02:04 PM

the 95 series looks like it is missing the glass on the bottom of the tv, it has been replaced with metal.

That cuts it then.

It's the 96 with the clear lip for me.

Unless there's a wave of 40" 95s all over the web, prices come down, and the 96 is delayed.

It's getting close.

iGrooveLA

06-02-06, 02:12 PM

That cuts it then.

It's the 96 with the clear lip for me.

Unless there's a wave of 40" 95s all over the web, prices come down, and the 96 is delayed.

It's getting close.

i'm w/you dude! i'm waiting for the 4696 but with all these delays and the prices so good on the 4692...i dunno...i might jump the gun...i just hope that the 95 series is not a replacement for the 96 series due to the purported issues w/the cablecard on the 96! i like the design of the 96 much better w/the glass...although the new sony's have a similar black bezel/glass design...but i'm swearing off sony cuz they're greedy!

Ryu Hayabusa

06-02-06, 02:14 PM

rmb, I was only referring to the new Sammy LCDs. This is what I wrote:

-'The same holds for all of their new LCD models - no "DCR" means no QAM.' -

I went to the Samsung index

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/lcdtv/index.asp

and chose Compare models. I input all the new LCDs. Only the 96 series is listed as featuring "built in digital cable ready tuner." Some of these other series are out already and no one has reported having a QAM tuner built-in.

Not that I really care. If the 4095 looks like what I think it will for 1080p gaming, I may have to get it, especially if the 4096 is delayed.

And maybe Samsung will decide to be nice and put the QAM in even without the cablecard support. Please?

impetigo

06-02-06, 03:25 PM

i like the design of the 96 much better w/the glass...although the new sony's have a similar black bezel/glass design...

Any idea if the 4096 will be in satin black like the 4095 supposedly will be? I think I'm in the minority who don't like piano black high gloss finishes.

Cocteau

06-02-06, 05:33 PM

i'm w/you dude! i'm waiting for the 4696 but with all these delays and the prices so good on the 4692...i dunno...i might jump the gun...i just hope that the 95 series is not a replacement for the 96 series due to the purported issues w/the cablecard on the 96! i like the design of the 96 much better w/the glass...although the new sony's have a similar black bezel/glass design...but i'm swearing off sony cuz they're greedy!

The 4692 is a seriously lower cut of meat though.

Hold out for 1080p, as best you can.

It's a long term TV.

Cocteau

06-02-06, 05:36 PM

Any idea if the 4096 will be in satin black like the 4095 supposedly will be? I think I'm in the minority who don't like piano black high gloss finishes.

4096 has always been satin.

Check the Samsung site.

lionelhuts

06-02-06, 07:57 PM

So besides getting some people digital channels when they only order basic cable, could someone please tell me what what the QAM tuner does? (sorry for the pathetic question) :)

Thanks,
Jared

PS ON an earlier post in this thread: I would think that it would not matter what TV (95 or 96) you get for the xbox 360 because the 360 can only put out 1080i anyway. So, having a TV that can accept 1080p via component (the 95) is useless for the 360. I see this feature only useful for the lower end PS3 model (which can output 1080p via component and does not have HDMI).

dcrewser

06-02-06, 09:43 PM

I really like the 4696 and, now possibly, the 4695. The two things I still need to know about are is it high gloss or satin finish, and what are the possible aspect settings. I really don't like the high gloss and Cocteau seems to have answered that one. About the aspect settings, does anybody know if either one of these will have a setting like the Panny JUST mode? Looking through the new 5797 online manual, I see a setting called wide fit. That's the first time I've seen that on a Sammy. Is that like JUST and will it be on the 95 or 96?

gwave

06-02-06, 10:24 PM

Yeah the 4696 seems like the way to go. I just hope it comes out soon and the price is within reasonable amount one would pay for a 46-50" TV.

impetigo

06-02-06, 11:37 PM

Whoa, just checked the Samsung site, and it looks like they updated today as the 4095 and 4695 are now marked as "new" and the 4695 actually has a "buy from online retailer" link!! The only retailer listed is B&H Photo and even though they are taking orders it says the item is not in stock and should take 2-4 weeks to get it in inventory.

Hopefully the 4095 (and 4096/4696 also) are close behind. Great to see some progress finally though.

Stephen_Krause

06-03-06, 12:11 AM

calvinlc

06-03-06, 12:40 AM

Shinraven

06-03-06, 02:57 AM

have people gone mad??? $4500 for a telly .wow.. I was hoping they would stay in the 3k range. most i would spend.

Mr. Strange

06-03-06, 05:18 AM

I played around with the 4092 today at a couple of different stores. One thing I like about this set is the fact that all the controls are accessible without the remote so you can adjust stuff in the stores to experiment around.

I found the picture to be a little "red." I went to the color adjust set of menus and found that you couldn't adjust the tint...kind of frustrating...it was a "grayed out" function

I downloaded the owner's manual and found that on page 23 it states that the tint is not adjustable for component, dvi, or any digital input....hmmmm.

Has anybody else noticed the redness or was it possibly the retailer I was at. There were 3 other LCD screens adjacent to this one with the same picture feed and they did not have this problem, albeit their colors looked washed out compared to the samsung.

The second disturbing thing I found in the owner's manual was that on page 25 it said not to watch in the 4:3 mode over 2 hours at a time to avoid burn-in???? I have never heard of LCDs having this problem before, I thought this was one of the advantages of LCD. Does this possibly have something to do with how they supposedly achieved such high contrast ratios on an LCD?

I have the LNS-4051 and I can't adjust the tint either but it does have a temperature setting and if its set at warm2 it gives the picture reddish look to it. There are 5 temp settings cool1, cool2, normal, warm1, warm2. Along with the temp settings you also have 4 picture mode settings and 4 lamp settings. With all these settings you have a lot of different combinations you can try. I've had this tv for 3 weeks now i don't know how many times i have changed these settings. I suggest you buy it at a store that has a good return policy that way you can truly test it in the environment you will use it in.

Strange

Cocteau

06-03-06, 06:48 AM

I really like the 4696 and, now possibly, the 4695. The two things I still need to know about are is it high gloss or satin finish, and what are the possible aspect settings. I really don't like the high gloss and Cocteau seems to have answered that one.

Well, the 95-series will be in Best Buy soon, so we'll all be reporting on seeing the thing soon.

'course they prolly won't have the thing on HDMI. :rolleyes:

But we'll learn a lot soon, as the manuals must be coming any day.

Cocteau

06-03-06, 06:52 AM

It is not in stock yet, the Warehouse and all stores show "0" on hand. But the fact that it is in the system means best buy will carry the item. It doesnt mean all stores will get a display tv, but when it is released they could order them for customers. The computer system does not say when it will arrive. I can have the Scan up tonight if you need more proof. check back 10:30ish CST
http://www.e46fanatics.com/members/bender/scan.jpg

Without revealing too many trade secrets, what does $3,299 with a slash accross it mean?

I wonder what the price will be once the 4095 hits the internet dealers.

Cocteau

06-03-06, 06:53 AM

have people gone mad??? $4500 for a telly .wow.. I was hoping they would stay in the 3k range. most i would spend.

It apprears the 4095 is $3299, and works down from there depending on the dealer.

gwave

06-03-06, 08:16 AM

Whats the difference between the 4695d and the 4696d? I only notice the contrast ratio to be different, 7000:1 on 4696d and 6000:1 on 4696d anything else?

Cocteau

06-03-06, 08:22 AM

Whats the difference between the 4695d and the 4696d? I only notice the contrast ratio to be different, 7000:1 on 4696d and 6000:1 on 4696d anything else?

________________4096D________4095D
DCR_____________Yes__________ No
IEE 1394 _________Yes__________ No
RS232C __________Yes__________ No
DNIe ____________No___________ Yes
1080p over
Component ______ No____________ Yes
USB ____________Yes____________No

Borrowed from poster Leo.

lionelhuts

06-03-06, 08:56 AM

If you do a comparison of the 4696 and 4695 on samsung's site, they give the 96 a 6000:1 contrast ratio as they do for the 95. Also, they still have yet to post the physical specs for the 96 - does anyone know why they don't?

gwave

06-03-06, 09:28 AM

impetigo

06-03-06, 09:33 AM

what about the 46" series. The specs could be differnt , no?

At this point it looks like the 96 has more stuff other then the 1080p over comp which would be nice and the DNIe what ever that is

How useful is 1080p over component capability? I have read that digital copyright protection (name?) is likely to be needed to watch blu-ray dvds and so HDMI would be needed. So while you could watch tv or ps3 games over component, you couldn't watch blu-rays on the ps3, and so you would likely just connect it through HDMI anyway. Just don't know how useful it will actually be.

tangent1138

06-03-06, 11:54 AM

what's the purpose of the clear glass/plastic edge on the bottom of the 4696?

do you think you can remove it? it looks like a plastic hangnail to me.

calvinlc

06-03-06, 12:04 PM

Does anybody know anything about the burn-in issue mentioned on page 25 of the manual?

lionelhuts

06-03-06, 12:24 PM

How useful is 1080p over component capability? I have read that digital copyright protection (name?) is likely to be needed to watch blu-ray dvds and so HDMI would be needed. So while you could watch tv or ps3 games over component, you couldn't watch blu-rays on the ps3, and so you would likely just connect it through HDMI anyway. Just don't know how useful it will actually be.

The 1080p over component may in fact be quite useful to those that get the cheaper version of the PS3. As you might be aware, the cheaper $500 version of the PS3 does not contain HDMI. It still will output 1080p thought via component cables as Phil Harrison of Sony has repeatedly defended. But you are right that blu-ray copy protection may prevent the viewing of its movies in 1080p over component cables. However, there are a few points to me made here:

1. Hollywood has yet to officially state that it will implement this copy protection. There is good evidence that they will not because Microsoft is releasing its HD-DVD (HD-DVDs are also to have the protection) add on for the Xbox 360 which does not contain an HDMI connector on it. Why would Microsoft release an add on for something that cannot transmit the signal? It seems as if Microsoft knows that they copy protection will not be put on the next generation discs.

2. If that is untrue, though, and Hollywood does decide to implement the protection, they have already agreed that it will not be for a few more years to give people time to switch over to TVs with HDMI. So, you would be able to view 1080p blu-ray movies over component for AT LEAST a few more years (likely 2008-2010 is the deadline.).

lionelhuts

06-03-06, 12:32 PM

Oh yeah... to answer your question on the name, the protection is called "Advanced Access Content System" (AACS), and more specifically, "Image Constraint Token" (ICT) which stems from AACS.

Spacewrangler

06-03-06, 01:27 PM

I am a newbie here. I am very technical with computers but a dummy with TV's. This site is great and looking for some help. I am upgrading my TV in my bedroom. Currently have a 2.5 year old CTR 55" Samsung Projection. Takes up way too much space and just isnt the quality that i am looking for.

After visitng numerous retail locations, I like the Samsung's the best once again. However, I cannot decide between the 46" LCD or a 42" or 50" Plasma (S5053, etc). What are the quality differences between the LCD and plasma from Samsung? To me the LCD seemed brighter, but the Plasma seemed more crisp and you get more for your money it seems.

As for size, I will be about 12 feet away in terms of viewing distance. I certainly dont need a 55"....46" would be perfect but that is only in LCD.

Also, I have Tivo and cannot live without it. Are those boxes HD capable (do they record in HD)? I want to make sure that i have great picture for Tivo. Also, I will be gaming to some extent with an xbox 360. Money isnt the biggest issue to me here. Thanks!!!

impetigo

06-03-06, 01:36 PM

Oh yeah... to answer your question on the name, the protection is called "Advanced Access Content System" (AACS), and more specifically, "Image Constraint Token" (ICT) which stems from AACS.

Good point about the $499 PS3 without HDMI. 1080p through component would be crucial for people who buy that one (although I can't imagine why anyone would get the weak PS3 to save only $100).

I just read an article that seems to confirm what you mentioned about studios not utilizing the HDCP, which would be awesome. It's from xbitlabs-dot-com. I can't link so I'll just paste it here (hope I'm allowed to!):

Blu-Ray, HD DVD Will Playback without HDMI, HDCP – Report.
Hollywood Studios Abandon Main HDCP Capability

Category: Multimedia

by Anton Shilov

[ 05/22/2006 | 11:52 PM ]

An unconfirmed report by German-language news-paper suggests that Hollywood studios, along with major consumer electronics makers, such as Microsoft Corp. and Sony Corp., have agreed not to implement image quality downgrades on hardware that does not support HDCP copy-protection and HDMI output. This means that Blu-ray and HD DVD movies will playback in full-quality on applications like personal computers.

Behind the scenes it was agreed that till, at least, 2010, if not even till 2012, signals from Blu-ray or HD DVD players should be transferred to televisions or displays in full resolution, even if certain components do not support HDCP or HDMI, a report on Spiegel Online web-site claims. Particularly, this may allow next-generation game consoles, such as PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 as well as personal computers to playback Blu-ray and HD DVD movies in up to 1920x1080 resolution even on monitors that do not support high-bandwidth digital copyright protection (HDCP) technology or HDMI output. In fact, an ATI Technologies' specialist suggested that not all high-definition discs would support HDCP several months ago.

In order to track-down the piracy, movie studios insisted to implement HDCP onto content distributed using the BD and HD DVD media. Typically, the playback of HDCP content should include an HDCP transmitter (computer or player), a digital interface (DVI or HDMI) and an HDCP receiver (a display or a TV-set). The content is encrypted at the transmitter and the signal is transmitted to the HDCP receiver a special bus where it is decrypted before viewing. Both the transmitter and the receiver should comply with the standard, otherwise, it was planned to limit the output resolution – using so-called image constraint token (ICT) – to 540p (960x540), which is a bit better than 720x480 resolution of typical DVDs, but far from high-definition 1080i or 1080p (1920x1080) resolutions.

Given that the majority of relatively affordable LCD or Plasma televisions nowadays support 1366x768 pixels resolution, there will still be some quality constraints, however, they will not be imposed by a software technology, but by hardware limitations. Furthermore, if the report is correct and the ICT will not be imposed for years, computer users will be able to watch high-definition movies on large monitors in full-quality without any need to get a graphics card or a display that supports HDCP.

Neither Microsoft Xbox 360, nor Sony’s entry-level PlayStation 3 consoles support HDMI output. In fact, Sony’s Phil Harrison recently said in an interview that even with analogue outputs it will be possible to view Blu-ray discs using the PlayStation 3 that costs $499.

“Both [PS3] machines have Blu-ray disc as standard. Both machines play Blu-ray disc movies as standard. Both machines will play Blue-ray disc movies as HD. The only difference is that the high end machine uses a more convenient digital interconnect called HDMI, which is a digital standard, and the 20GB unit uses HD component which is an analog standard. […] The end user will not notice any quality difference. Perhaps if you were projecting onto a gi-normous screen you might notice some difference, but also not every HD display has HDMI,” Mr. Harrison was reported to have said.

Representatives of Microsoft Corp. also said the Xbox 360 console would be able to playback HD DVDs using a special add-on drive amid the lack of HDMI output.

dcrewser

06-03-06, 01:53 PM

One more tidbit.. regarding audio out to an AVR:

"Important: The AV audio out jacks on your TV work only if the video source you choose is attached to the RF (Air In or Antenna), AV (AV In), or S-Video In jacks. The AV audio out jacks will not work if your source is attached to the Component, DVI, or HDMI input jacks. For example, if you have a set top box attached to your TV through the Component in jacks, you will not be able to play the audio from the set top box through a stereo attached to the AV Out jack."

..bummer..

Jrain -

A couple days ago you posted this tidbit in quotes. Where did it come from? I can't find it in any of the most recent Sammy model manuals.

Jrain

06-03-06, 02:07 PM

Jrain -

A couple days ago you posted this tidbit in quotes. Where did it come from? I can't find it in any of the most recent Sammy model manuals.

Unfortunately I can't link it, as its a Java script thing or something.. But to find it, go here:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/lcdtv/index.asp

then click on the "TV Support" link at upper right area.

you should then be in the FAQ/KnowledgeBase section. Type as your question:

"audio out jack" and then Search. Click on the result titled:

"Can I connect my TV to a Stereo Receiver"

good luck

farscaperkevin

06-03-06, 02:24 PM

lionelhuts

06-03-06, 03:03 PM

First, I am positive that the 95 can do it through component and the 96 cannot. It says specifically under the specifications on the Samsung site that the higher resolution for the 96 by component is 1080i and the 95's is 1080p. Also, here are some more differences:
---------------------------------------------
________________4096D________4095D
DCR_____________Yes__________ No
IEE 1394 _________Yes__________ No
RS232C __________Yes__________ No
DNIe ____________No___________ Yes
1080p over
Component ______ No____________ Yes
USB ____________Yes____________No

Borrowed from poster Leo.
-------------------------------------
The two big ones are the DNIe and the DCR. the 1080p over component would rarely make a difference when the TV has HDMI. For a situation when it would, please see my earlier post (post #313)

foxdie

06-03-06, 03:33 PM

Without revealing too many trade secrets, what does $3,299 with a slash accross it mean?

I wonder what the price will be once the 4095 hits the internet dealers.

I did that in paintshop to avoid it from being deleted.... MSRP only police are on my trail...

Jrain

06-03-06, 04:04 PM

First, I am positive that the 95 can do it through component and the 96 cannot. It says specifically under the specifications on the Samsung site that the higher resolution for the 96 by component is 1080i and the 95's is 1080p. Also, here are some more differences:
---------------------------------------------

Borrowed from poster Leo.
-------------------------------------
The two big ones are the DNIe and the DCR. the 1080p over component would rarely make a difference when the TV has HDMI. For a situation when it would, please see my earlier post (post #313)

Any thoughts as to why all of the photos of the 4096 have a DNIE logo printed on the bezel?
<actually, I just was on Samsung's site.. curious thing.. if you right click the photo that's available for the 4096 and check the "properties" you'll note that picture actually has 4696 in the filename... so the picture of the 4096 might really be a picture of the 4696. Makes you wonder if anyone has seen a picture of the 4096 yet?

Also, just curious, what's the purpose of a Firewire input? Would this be compatible with some receiver's versions of this (like Pioneer's iLink, etc...)?

DallasJoe

06-03-06, 04:41 PM

impetigo

06-03-06, 05:26 PM

"the 1080p over component would rarely make a difference when the TV has HDMI."

Ok, dumb question, but what am I missing here? The 96 has HDMI so what is the issue with the 96 not being able to get 1080P over component? Thanks. Sorry for the dumb question. Is over component a better connection?

I'm no expert, but the main benefit of being able to get full 1080p over component input seems to be that you will have more flexibility in connecting to different sources that might might support 1080p output but not actually have an HDMI out. The only example I can think of, as mentioned by another poster, is the $499 entry-level Playstation 3 (which has no HDMI output).

HDMI should be better than component for HD sources, since HDMI is digital and component is analog, but with some TVs, people have reported getting better PQ using component than with HDMI.

But really, it seems to me the only negative of not having 1080p input via component is if you have the non-HDMI playstation 3, since you won't be able to enjoy full 1080p blu-rays and games.

impetigo

06-03-06, 05:29 PM

Also, just curious, what's the purpose of a Firewire input? Would this be compatible with some receiver's versions of this (like Pioneer's iLink, etc...)?

I've read that you can also connect HD recorders via the firewire port.

iGrooveLA

06-03-06, 05:50 PM

hey guys...i know the more HDMI inputs you have the better and most sets have one or two...is there some kind of adapter that plugs into one HDMI input and creates like 3 other HDMI inputs kinda like a USB hub would create more USB inputs...is there such an animal out there? if there is and you use it, will degrade the signal any since you're basically splitting it, i guess, making 1 input into 3.

lionelhuts

06-03-06, 06:14 PM

I have found a few but they are a little pricey:

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=2208
http://www.grandbeing.com/grandbeing-e-chanpin.htm

You may also find this thread helpful:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=631996

necrolop

06-03-06, 06:25 PM

www.monoprice.com for that.

iGrooveLA

06-03-06, 06:29 PM

thanks guys...but will using these degrade the signal any? if not, then it really isn't a big deal if a set has only 1HDMI inputs, right? if you can just get one of these to make more HDMI inputs...i guess it just saves some bux on having to get one of these...

lionelhuts

06-03-06, 06:42 PM

Most of these are switches anyway. So you are using only one device at a time. This is why I would think that they would not degrade the signal.

dcrewser

06-03-06, 06:45 PM

Unfortunately I can't link it, as its a Java script thing or something.. But to find it, go here:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/lcdtv/index.asp

then click on the "TV Support" link at upper right area.

you should then be in the FAQ/KnowledgeBase section. Type as your question:

"audio out jack" and then Search. Click on the result titled:

"Can I connect my TV to a Stereo Receiver"

good luck

Thanks for the steps to get there. However, I also found this result by clicking on "Can I Connect Speakers To My TV?":

"Important: On some Samsung TVs, particularly DLP TVs, the audio out jacks only work when you select an Antenna, Video, or S-Video source. They do not work if you select a Component, DVI, or PC source. See the user's manual of your TV for details."

So, I guess the bottom line is refer to the manual for the real answer.

thoth

06-03-06, 07:29 PM

samsung now lists the 57" on their site, after looking at the manual you can turn dnie off and on but i see nothing about 1080p input threw hdmi in the manual, i only see 1920x1080@60hz for pc input.

The manual says on p. 14: "The HDMI/DVI jacks do not support PC connection." SOL

calvinlc

06-04-06, 02:01 AM

I guess Samsung's answer is totally contrary to what I always thought about LCDs. It kind of causes me to re-think my options because I would HATE having to watch 4:3 TV in the wrong aspect ratio, especially without the variable strecth that most of the plasmas have but this LCD does not. Here is Samsung's FAQ response:

Although much less susceptible than Plasma TVs, LCD TVs are still subject to screen burn in (image retention). In general, you should avoid keeping a static picture or a picture with static elements (black bars, black borders, logos, etc.) on your LCD TV for more than two hours at a time.

If you are using your LCD TV as a computer monitor, the same general rule holds true: Avoid keeping a static picture or a picture with static elements (black bars, black borders, logos, etc.) on your LCD TV for more than two hours at a time. Make sure you change the image on your screen periodically. Also, if you intend to leave your PC unattended for long periods of time, or you leave the same image on your screen while you work on other things for extended periods of time, make sure you set up a screen saver that goes on after about twenty minutes, or set up your monitor so that it turns off if unattended for more than twenty minutes.

Cocteau

06-04-06, 07:19 AM

Cocteau

06-04-06, 07:40 AM

what's the purpose of the clear glass/plastic edge on the bottom of the 4696?

do you think you can remove it? it looks like a plastic hangnail to me.

The sound from the speakers comes from the bottom of the set, and the lip on the botttom of the 92, 95 and 96 series serves to deflect the sound out into the room.

If you don't like the clear lip, you might like the 95 series.

I kinda like the clear one myself, though this is all about the 1080p and 600:1, right?

Cocteau

06-04-06, 07:42 AM

Does anybody know anything about the burn-in issue mentioned on page 25 of the manual?

Non-event.

It's just legal-ramble.

My 4 year old Sony Plassy is burned in all over the place, and it's still okay.

These new LCDs suffer from very little burn compared to plassys.

Cocteau

06-04-06, 07:59 AM

I am very technical with computers but a dummy with TV's. This site is great and looking for some help.

After visitng numerous retail locations, I like the Samsung's the best once again. However, I cannot decide between the 46" LCD or a 42" or 50" Plasma (S5053, etc). What are the quality differences between the LCD and plasma from Samsung? To me the LCD seemed brighter, but the Plasma seemed more crisp and you get more for your money it seems.

Also, I have Tivo and cannot live without it. Are those boxes HD capable (do they record in HD)?

Hi fellow computer geek.

Are you currently using LCDs on your PC rig? If so, you're already pretty steeped in LCDs.

The sets we are discussing here are the first real HDTVs, period. The sets you're seeing at the "numerous retail locations" around you are all a lower cut of beef, one million pixel or less.

What's coming now are the true 1920 X 1080p 2 millon plus pixel true HDTVs. If it's not 1920 X 1080, it's not HDTV.

Plasmas are at 1024 X 768. That's the main reason they cost less.

If you're a TiVo junkie, you can keep the TiVo, but you'll want to upgrade the box to the latest HDMI output to maximize the TVs true HDTV 1080p capability.

No, the TVs do not incorporate their own recorders, yet.

It's about pixels. It always has been, and you're now on the verge of getting the genuine article. I'm getting the 4092D once it debuts.

I'm trashing a 1024 X 768 plasma from Sony. :p

Good luck with your choice. Problem is, the sets you've been looking at are not bleeding edge. If you want that, you want the 4096 or the 4696.

*** forgive me if that was pretty simplified and broad brush***

Cocteau

06-04-06, 08:01 AM

are you sure that the 95 can do 1080p through component but the 96 cant. it just doesnt make sense to me that a cheaper lower model number can do anything better than its higher model cant. also, for the price difference there has to be something else different between the two. any ideas?

I agree.

Samsung tech support told me it could, but only because it listed 1080p nest to Component. I have my reservations.

Cocteau

06-04-06, 08:02 AM

I did that in paintshop to avoid it from being deleted.... MSRP only police are on my trail...

:)

lionelhuts

06-04-06, 09:54 AM

It's about pixels. It always has been, and you're now on the verge of getting the genuine article. I'm getting the 4092D once it debuts.

Cocteau, I thought you were going for the 4096D? Or was that just a typo since you also said "debuts" and the 92D is already out...?

Jared

Cocteau

06-04-06, 10:15 AM

Cocteau, I thought you were going for the 4096D? Or was that just a typo since you also said "debuts" and the 92D is already out...?

Jared

Oops. It was a typo.

I'm so done on the 4096D you could stick a fork in me. ;)

I'll take some pictures of my construction effort.

Here's a before shot.

Note: the new cables coming in and out of the wall. Still have the sanding and painting to do, but I'll wait until I build the new set's cabinet. I had to move the wall outlet and wires out to that lower corner. They will be inside cabinet that some professionals instal this week that will house the components. The 4096D will be alone on the angled wall inside a recessed cabinet I'm doing.

lionelhuts

06-04-06, 10:22 AM

Cocteau

06-04-06, 10:49 AM

Nice planning. I'm putting my current entertainment center upstairs along with my current 1997 27" Sony Trinitron. With the new Sammy will come a new entertainment center with a new carpet. Ethan Allen and Custom Carpet centers are coming on Tuesday so maybe I'll be able to show what space I'm using for the 4696D at that time (If I can find some batteries for my camera) :).

Let's see pics. :)

Here's a better one.

The wires at the base of the wall by the outlet will all be in a cabinet that hides the components.

The ones popping out of the wall will power the 4096D and that wood telephone table is out of here. Just the 4096D hiding on the wall in a recessed cabinet.

...now where is that TV?

galfordo

06-04-06, 11:04 AM

The sets we are discussing here are the first real HDTVs, period. The sets you're seeing at the "numerous retail locations" around you are all a lower cut of beef, one million pixel or less.

Wrong. HDTV is 720p, 1080i, or 1080p. Neither of these standards are more "real" than the other. In a practical sense, 1080p is less "real" since there is almost no content available for it.

What's coming now are the true 1920 X 1080p 2 millon plus pixel true HDTVs. If it's not 1920 X 1080, it's not HDTV.

Again, this is misleading.

Plasmas are at 1024 X 768. That's the main reason they cost less.

Wrong again. Only the most recent LCD's have 1080p resolution, however a 50" plasma has consistently cost less than a comparably sized LCD. This fact alone blows your theory.

No, the TVs do not incorporate their own recorders, yet.

This is generally correct, however LG does have a few models which come with a built-in DVR.

It's about pixels. It always has been, and you're now on the verge of getting the genuine article. I'm getting the 4092D once it debuts.

Pixel count is only one variable that factors into picture quality, and lately has been overempasized to a ridiculous extent. Whether or not you'll even notice the difference between 720p and 1080p depends on your viewing distance.

I'm trashing a 1024 X 768 plasma from Sony. :p

Why in the world would you do that? I'll take it off your hands, and will even pay shipping costs. ;)

Good luck with your choice. Problem is, the sets you've been looking at are not bleeding edge. If you want that, you want the 4096 or the 4696.

The problem seems to be that people have a strange fixation with 1080p that's simply not justified in the forseeable future. People should get the best overall package, and not be handcuffed by demanding that the set be 1080p.

Ryu Hayabusa

06-04-06, 12:02 PM

The problem seems to be that people have a strange fixation with 1080p that's simply not justified in the forseeable future. People should get the best overall package, and not be handcuffed by demanding that the set be 1080p.
Galfordo, you make some good points about what is a true HDTV but this forum thread is for 1080p Samsung LCDs only so you are barking up the wrong tree, brother. No one is demanding that you or anyone else buy a 1080p set, so why is that a "problem"? Maybe 1080p isn't your cup of tea - fine by me.

I've seen 1080p sets in action and in my humble opinion, it will be well worth the $. Why would I blow 2-3 grand on a non-1080p set at this point in time? The 4095 will only be a few hundred bucks more than the 4092. Regardless of your assertion of lack of content, the upconversion alone will rock, and the 1080p content is coming soon. I will be sitting about 6.5 feet from a 1080p 40" LCD, and I *will* be able to see the difference.

Peace out.

galfordo

06-04-06, 01:03 PM

Galfordo, you make some good points about what is a true HDTV but this forum thread is for 1080p Samsung LCDs only so you are barking up the wrong tree, brother. No one is demanding that you or anyone else buy a 1080p set, so why is that a "problem"? Maybe 1080p isn't your cup of tea - fine by me.

The problem is that people who don't know any better are being led to believe that 1080p is the most important factor to consider when purchasing a display, which is simply not true. People are being led astray - that's my problem with the 1080p fixation.

I've seen 1080p sets in action and in my humble opinion, it will be well worth the $. Why would I blow 2-3 grand on a non-1080p set at this point in time? The 4095 will only be a few hundred bucks more than the 4092. Regardless of your assertion of lack of content, the upconversion alone will rock, and the 1080p content is coming soon. I will be sitting about 6.5 feet from a 1080p 40" LCD, and I *will* be able to see the difference.

You might "blow" 2-3 grand on a non-1080p set because, for one thing, the picture quality of a nice plasma is generally superior to LCD, and 1080p is not availabe for a reasonable price in the plasma domain.

But if you're choosing between the 4092 and the 4095 and you can get 1080p for only a few hundred more, I'd say go for it. But there are lots of people who haven't narrowed things down that far.

As for content, I think it's more reasonable to buy according to what you can enjoy right now. Upconversion may help 1080i signals a little, but you're really need 1080p signals to see a significant benefit. As for 1080p content, I just don't see it happening for a while. The future of the HD media world is pretty uncertain, and may not see widespread adoption for another 3-4 years, especially when you consider the effects of the format wars, which weren't even present during the initial days of DVD.

Anyway, it's up to you what you want to do with your money of course, but I just think that the whole "future-proofing" mindset is a risky way of thinking, especially when the future of HD is still so uncertain.

necrolop

06-04-06, 01:09 PM

Please stop. This thread is not to debate 1080p's value. its to discuss this model. If you dont want 1080p, go buy a 768p set, I care not. As for 1080p content, have you not heard of HD-DVD, Blu-ray Disc. Playstation 3, Computer. As well as 1080i at full res.

NOW back to the topic, the Samsung 96D.

galfordo

06-04-06, 01:26 PM

HD-DVD, Blu-ray Disc. Playstation 3, Computer. As well as 1080i at full res.

HD-DVD: no 1080p player out yet, may not survive format wars.

Blu-ray: not out yet, may not survive format wars.

Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray: may not see widespread adoption for years to come.

Playstation 3: who knows what features will survive Sony's cuts and broken promises?

Computer: possibly a decent use for 1080p, if you're into the HTPC scene.

1080i at full res: nominal improvement.

Ok, I'm done now. Just a reminder to those who worship 1080p - try to consider all factors when making a purchase.

Ryu Hayabusa

06-04-06, 01:42 PM

NOW back to the topic, the Samsung 96D.

I agree. Previously this thread was sticking to the details on the new Samsung 96D LCD line. As I said in my previous post - "this forum thread is for 1080p Samsung LCDs only." If we want to debate 1080p vs. the rest, there are other threads for that.

falser

06-04-06, 02:03 PM

The problem is that people who don't know any better are being led to believe that 1080p is the most important factor to consider when purchasing a display, which is simply not true. People are being led astray - that's my problem with the 1080p fixation.

You're wrong. I think most of the people in this thread know full well why they are willing to buy a new LCD TV that can display 1080p. Telling everyone that they should forget about buying a Sumsung LN-S4696D or a Sumsung LN-S4096D because you prefer plasma televisions is really unnecessary.

LCD1080

06-04-06, 02:05 PM

Does anyone know which B&M store is likely to be the first to carry the 4096D when the product launches?

I was focused on the 37D90U until a few days ago however I'm more impressed by the aesthetics of the 4096D's design. Also I think that 37" might be a little too small.

TOBoiDan

06-04-06, 02:41 PM

Hmmm, no luck for the Canadians on this set yet it seems. :(

Only the 469*2*D listed on the Canadian Samsung site so far. What is it with Canada and the lack of 1080p FPs. Still no source for the Westinghouse here unless you want to pay full US MSRP and shipping and duties and and and...

On another note, I wish the 4696 would have the all black bezel design of the 4292 as I think its very elegant compared to all the gaudy silver plastic floating around these days.

Cocteau

06-04-06, 04:12 PM

ZZen

06-04-06, 04:14 PM

"especially without the variable strecth that most of the plasmas have but this LCD does not."
- Does this TV not have a non-linear stretch mode for SD 4:3 channels??

Cocteau

06-04-06, 05:59 PM

HD-DVD: no 1080p player out yet, may not survive format wars.

Blu-ray: not out yet, may not survive format wars.

Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray: may not see widespread adoption for years to come.

Playstation 3: who knows what features will survive Sony's cuts and broken promises?

Computer: possibly a decent use for 1080p, if you're into the HTPC scene.

1080i at full res: nominal improvement.

Ok, I'm done now. Just a reminder to those who worship 1080p - try to consider all factors when making a purchase.

Sony hasn't waited all these years for nothing.

X-Box has been a total flop in Japan, as the kids await PS3 and Blu-Ray.

I'm sorry, but you can run Blu-ray at 1024 X 768, I won't.

markrubin

06-04-06, 06:13 PM

moderator

please keep your posts to this thread on topic:

Samsung LN-S4696D/LN-S4096D

dcrewser

06-04-06, 07:48 PM

"especially without the variable strecth that most of the plasmas have but this LCD does not."
- Does this TV not have a non-linear stretch mode for SD 4:3 channels??

I've been trying to find this out for awhile for the 4696/4695. I've seen on page 44 of the 5797 manual a selection called "Wide Fit" in picture size menu. I haven't seen other Sammys with this choice. Could that be it?

going1080pcrazy

06-04-06, 08:14 PM

What to do... what to do...
Should I order a Samsung now and enjoy flatpanel bigscreen movies all summer, or will I be bummed when sony comes out with their 46" LCD in September? Will the picture quality of the Sony XBR really be any better than the Samsung? I mean they are both 1080p sets with almost identical stats, but each have their own buzzwords and the Sony SXRD tv's seems to get all the hype for PQ in reviews. I have been looking to get a new TV for the past year and have been holding out for LCD to get better contrast ratio and resolution in the bigger sizes. Its crazy how the current models only have 800:1 contrast ratio, now this new Samsung jumps to a whopping 7000:1!
Here are the stats I have for comparison so far(please correct me if I have anything wrong):

Samsung LN-S4696D
Resolution: 1920x1080
Contrast: 7000:1 dynamic contrast ratio
Response time: 8ms
Viewing angle: 178 deg(H)/178 deg(V)
Imputs: HDMI (2), component (2), S-video (1?), Composite (2), IEEE 1394,
R/F Cable (2), PC RGB (1)
Tuners: ATSC
Color: Gloss black floating on glass bezel - I added this description :)
Brand buzzwords: (92% NTSC color gamut); CCFL - Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp; 10-bit processor with 12.8 billion colors; optimized game mode; S-PVA Panel(for the wide viewing angle), RS232C(portable audio compatibility)
Cable card: Digital Cable Ready (DCR) tuner with CableCARD slot
Available: June (Like right now or what?)
MSRP: $4,799

SONY KDL-46XBR3
Resolution: 1920x1080
Contrast: N/A
Response time: N/A
Viewing angle: N/A
Inputs: HDMI (3), component (2), S-video (2), Composite (3), R/F Cable (?), PC RGB (1)
Tuners: ATSC
Color: Gloss black inside "floating glass" frame
Brand buzzwords: Live Color Creation™- WCG-CCFL backlight system; Bravia Engine Pro with Digital Reality Creation 2.5, CCP-XA(improves signal?), IFP(improves contrast?), space saving bottom speaker design
Cable card: N/A
Available: September
MSRP: $5,300

PhillySaxMan

06-04-06, 09:09 PM

going1080crazy,

You ARE crazy if you think the Samsung contrast ratio is 9 times better that the average LCD! Dynamic contrast ratio is not the same as the contrast ratio given by most vendors. For example, your beloved Sony has a 1300:1 contrast ratio (or about 6500:1) dynamic contrast ratio). The Aquos' have 1200:1 (6000:1 dynamic).

As much as I love the new Samsung product line, this dynamic contrast ratio is marketing nonsense that is designed to confuse the newbies. And in this case, it obviously succeeded.

This subject is discussed AD NAUSEUM in any number of threads in the AVSFORUM.

BTW, the Sony also quotes 92% color gamut...

going1080pcrazy

06-04-06, 11:43 PM

thanks PhillySaxMan

If that is the case then it puts me back in the research mode. I would like flatpanel, but true contrast ratio and overall PQ are more important to me. I guess I will head my research back into rear projection, because I also want large size and lower cost.

The Samsung LN-S4696D was already tipping my budget scale, but when I was fooled into thinking the contrast ratio was going to be that high, I thought it might be worth it. I guess not for my case.

impetigo

06-05-06, 07:20 AM

HD-DVD: no 1080p player out yet, may not survive format wars.

Blu-ray: not out yet, may not survive format wars.

Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray: may not see widespread adoption for years to come.

Well, obviously, one of the two will survive the format war. But it's true though, that the mainstream consumer may stick with 480p dvds for quite awhile, but with big HDTVs selling well, and with the PS3 coming out with blu-ray, I suspect it will catch on pretty soon. In any case, I will be getting my PS3 and there are enough blu-rays coming out to enjoy that for some time. PS3 games will also be 1080p, hence, I will continue to worship 1080p.

In any case, any updates on when BB will get the 4095s in stock??

Cocteau

06-05-06, 09:13 AM

What to do... what to do...
Should I order a Samsung now and enjoy flatpanel bigscreen movies all summer, or will I be bummed when sony comes out with their 46" LCD in September? Will the picture quality of the Sony XBR really be any better than the Samsung?

When pondering Sony Vs. Samsung, especially when we're talking about one 1080p set vs. another 1080p set, it gets extremely tight.

Think of it.... everyone is buying their glass from a finite number of foundries. It's not like Sony or anyone else has an exclusive on the best glass.

The fact is we are just now seeing the best glass ever, and the best coatings ever. If one can afford 1080p now, you're really making a purchase that's ahead of the curve and you're prepared for all the upcoming content.

The Sony set will probably have a little edge as to styling, perhaps more watts in sound, but the sets will undoubtedly represent the best product the foundries can produce.

MUGEN

06-05-06, 09:25 AM

going1080crazy,
BTW, the Sony also quotes 92% color gamut...
are you talking about the new sony xbr2 and xbr3, because they are both unknown for color gamut, the old japan version has 102% ntsc

Cocteau

06-05-06, 09:28 AM

Well, obviously, one of the two will survive the format war. But it's true though, that the mainstream consumer may stick with 480p dvds for quite awhile, but with big HDTVs selling well, and with the PS3 coming out with blu-ray, I suspect it will catch on pretty soon. In any case, I will be getting my PS3 and there are enough blu-rays coming out to enjoy that for some time. PS3 games will also be 1080p, hence, I will continue to worship 1080p.

In any case, any updates on when BB will get the 4095s in stock??

I'm not going to get too worked up over the so-called content wars. What I do know is that 3 million to 4 million PS3s will be purchased this coming Christmas.

Netflix will stock the available titles, and then it's up to whether or not people are sufficiently impressed enough to buy a Blu-Ray or PS3 after seeing their buddy's rig.

What I do know is there's way too much scaling going on, and that's going to continue, but at least these new 1080p sets are giving us our first look at what the best picture looks like that doesn't need to go through a scaler.

impetigo

06-05-06, 10:09 AM

What I do know is that 3 million to 4 million PS3s will be purchased this coming Christmas.

Oh please, Sony, don't let the PS3 have the undersupply nightmare that the Xbox 360 had/has...

Cocteau

06-05-06, 10:43 AM

Oh please, Sony, don't let the PS3 have the undersupply nightmare that the Xbox 360 had/has...

Tell me about it.

This one's going to make the X-Box craziness look like a joke.

First off, nobody in Japan bought the X-Box. They are all waiting to upgrade their PS2s.

Next, you have Electronic Arts ready with a lot more titles for PS3 than X-Box.

Lastly, the timing is as questionable as it is for the Samsung 96ers. ;)

All I know is eBay is going to be crazy busy again this year.

Yoda1

06-05-06, 12:29 PM

When pondering Sony Vs. Samsung, especially when we're talking about one 1080p set vs. another 1080p set, it gets extremely tight.

Think of it.... everyone is buying their glass from a finite number of foundries. It's not like Sony or anyone else has an exclusive on the best glass.

The fact is we are just now seeing the best glass ever, and the best coatings ever. If one can afford 1080p now, you're really making a purchase that's ahead of the curve and you're prepared for all the upcoming content.

The Sony set will probably have a little edge as to styling, perhaps more watts in sound, but the sets will undoubtedly represent the best product the foundries can produce.

DRC 2.5 should be the deciding factor, especially if DNile can't be disabled in the new Sammies.

Cocteau

06-05-06, 12:50 PM

DRC 2.5 should be the deciding factor, especially if DNile can't be disabled in the new Sammies.

*another one who thinks DNIe is the kiss of death*

LCD1080

06-05-06, 01:43 PM

DRC 2.5 should be the deciding factor, especially if DNile can't be disabled in the new Sammies.
I don't believe that I'm willing to wait another 3 or 4 months to hear people's opinions of DRC 2.5. The 5 months since 1080p LCDs first appeared at CES seem like an eternity. The Samsung 4096D and Sony's KDL-40XBR3 appear to have reasonably competitive specs, however the 4096D is much closer to shipping. That may be the deciding factor for me.

iGrooveLA

06-05-06, 01:54 PM

sorry guys, i'm not clear on DCR 2.5. will this make SD source better, that is, upconvert it closer to HD? or does it just work for HD sources?

MUGEN

06-05-06, 02:07 PM

sorry guys, i'm not clear on DCR 2.5. will this make SD source better, that is, upconvert it closer to HD? or does it just work for HD sources?
it works on sd and hd

here you go
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200605/06-045E/index.html

ned215

06-05-06, 02:07 PM

Cocteau

06-05-06, 02:18 PM

You guys are putting WAY too much emphasis on specs. Two TVs can have identical specs and the picture on one can be greatly superior to the other. The ONLY way to determine the quality of the picture on a set is to see it live in person.

So true.

However, in the case of the 4096D, I'm going to go with the positive buzz out of CES, and the stats.

I'm not able to wait until they hit the stores in the fall.

Ryu Hayabusa

06-05-06, 03:20 PM

DRC 2.5 should be the deciding factor, especially if DNile can't be disabled in the new Sammies.
Isn't DRC-MFv2.5 just a Sony marketing term for upconversion? It's not as if the new Samsung 1080p LCD line won't be able to upconvert to 1080p. The better question is which line is better at upconverting various content, not whether a line of panels has the magical DCR 2.5. That question has not yet been answered.

TMNT1000

06-05-06, 04:37 PM

Just curious. But why is DNIe hated so much.

Cocteau

06-05-06, 04:39 PM

Isn't DRC-MFv2.5 just a Sony marketing term for upconversion? It's not as if the new Samsung 1080p LCD line won't be able to upconvert to 1080p. The better question is which line is better at upconverting various content, not whether a line of panels has the magical DCR 2.5. That question has not yet been answered.

Excellent point.

The quality of the scaler is very important.

I'm willing to give Sony the edge here, but a darn small edge.

That said, what do you know about updating or flashing firmware?

It would seem to me that these TV makers would make that possible.

I'm constantly updating the firmware on the video card in my PC.

I've flashed the version of the firmware on my digital SLR camera.

So why couldn't I, or a Samsung tech, update the firmware inside my $3000+ TV to an updated version that has newest tweaks to the scaler, to the video interface, to the latest Lucas sound, you name it?

Cocteau

06-05-06, 04:42 PM

Just curious. But why is DNIe hated so much.

I don't know, so consider this a thread bump.

Some people here do not like the look of it.

It seems crazy to me that Samsung, which has a larger market capitilization that General Electric, is making a sub standard tweak to their TVs.

Further, one that can't be turned off?

gauravk

06-05-06, 04:45 PM

impetigo

06-05-06, 04:52 PM

i have heard conflicting reports from 2 retailes. One is that it is delayed until august, and the other is that it is coming out this week. Do you know which one is true and who would be the first to get it?

Someone "in the know" I believe posted that the 4095 might come out this month, but for the 4096, the press release Samsung put out late May, says:

The 46" LN-S4696D ($4,799 MSRP) and the 40" LN-S4096D ($4,099 MSRP) will be available in August 2006. The 32" LN-S3296D is available in July at $2,299 MSRP.

The product page for the 4096 still says June though. Since retailers evidently get almost no notice before getting a shipment in, we might not know until just before they go on sale.

LCD1080

06-05-06, 04:59 PM

Check out CNET's comments regarding the 4096D. The comments are in the last paragraph here:

http://www.cnet.com/4531-10921_1-6530582.html?tag=blog

Their first impression was positive! :cool:

impetigo

06-05-06, 05:32 PM

Check out CNET's comments regarding the 4096D. The comments are in the last paragraph here:

http://www.cnet.com/4531-10921_1-6530582.html?tag=blog

Their first impression was positive! :cool:

Sounds good! But...

... we're eager to get our hands on the top-of-the-line 40-inch LN-S4096D, which offers 1080p resolution and looked really good in our initial viewing. That model won't be available for a couple of months,

"Couple of months" ...?! Yikes... but who knows, maybe it'll be this month...

lionelhuts

06-05-06, 07:01 PM

impetigo

06-05-06, 07:32 PM

I bet a couple of months is August then. Any new developments with the 95 and BB? Also, I heard from a CC guy that Samsung is better than Sony in general as he says, "Samsung makes the Sony panels and keeps the good ones for itself." Now I know that Samsung does make the display for some Sony's, but I never thought they gave them inferior displays.

Personally, I don't pay attention to what salesmen at BB, CC, etc. tell me about any TV, as they usually don't know jack and assume you don't either and hence proceed to insult your intelligence with idiotic statements. IMHO, the statement re: sucky panels being given to Sony is one of those.

In any case, I called BB today concerning the 4095's release date, and of course they were useless. Turns out the saleswoman was googling for it! Hahah...

leos98

06-05-06, 08:41 PM

Personally, I don't pay attention to what salesmen at BB, CC, etc. tell me about any TV, as they usually don't know jack and assume you don't either and hence proceed to insult your intelligence with idiotic statements. IMHO, the statement re: sucky panels being given to Sony is one of those.

In any case, I called BB today concerning the 4095's release date, and of course they were useless. Turns out the saleswoman was googling for it! Hahah...

I couldn't agree more!!! Don't pay attention to those guys from BB or CC. They know more about astronomy than they do of TVs. The same happened to me when I called Sony about 1080p and my newly purchased 40XBR1 "That is going back tomorrow" The guy did not even new what was 1080p, so his first respond was "connected to the RF input" LOL I respomded, Can I speak with an ingeneer!!

2 weeks ago I went to BB and was comparing 23"-32" LCDs but the picture on them look really bad!! So I looked behind the TVs and saw that they were feeded via RF in put. All comming fron a 12 way splitter in the back of the rack. So I called they guy ans ask him why weren't the sets fed via component video?? His answer:
Yes!! they all are connected to the same component source!! HAHAHA

Sometimes I wonder how this guys get those jobs with absolutly no knowledge!!
But I like to go there and insult there ignorace!!
Leos98
Leos98!

leos98

06-05-06, 08:44 PM

Personally, I don't pay attention to what salesmen at BB, CC, etc. tell me about any TV, as they usually don't know jack and assume you don't either and hence proceed to insult your intelligence with idiotic statements. IMHO, the statement re: sucky panels being given to Sony is one of those.

In any case, I called BB today concerning the 4095's release date, and of course they were useless. Turns out the saleswoman was googling for it! Hahah...

I couldn't agree more!!! Don't pay attention to those guys from BB or CC. They know more about astronomy than they do of TVs. The same happened to me when I called Sony about 1080p and my newly purchased 40XBR1 "That is going back tomorrow" The guy did not even new what was 1080p, so his first respond was "connected to the RF input" LOL I responded, Can I speak with an ingeneer!!

2 weeks ago I went to BB and was comparing 23"-32" LCDs but the picture on them look really bad!! So I looked behind the TVs and saw that they were feeded via RF in put. All coming from a 12 way splitter in the back of the rack. So I called they guy ans ask him why weren't the sets fed via component video?? His answer:
Yes!! they all are connected to the same component source!! HAHAHA

Sometimes I wonder how this guys get those jobs with absolutely no knowledge!!
But I like to go there and insult there ignorance!!
Leos98

leos98

06-05-06, 08:48 PM

Sorry for the double reply!!
Leos98

LCD1080

06-05-06, 09:30 PM

Sounds good! But...
"Couple of months" ...?! Yikes... but who knows, maybe it'll be this month...

I'm still optimistic about the 4096D shipping this month because of the following previous post from May 26 in this thread:

I spoke with Samsung yesterday, and they said these 1080p sets have been produced and will ship to distributors this weekend. The dude was pretty darn sure we're talking June release...

I guess it's one of those wait 3 weeks and see type of things.

lionelhuts

06-05-06, 10:25 PM

In any case, I called BB today concerning the 4095's release date, and of course they were useless. Turns out the saleswoman was googling for it! Hahah...

The high end AV place near me is Stereo Advantage (unfortunately they don't carry Samsung for some reason) so I went to BB. The guy there was so much more unfriendly and knew nothing. He couldn't even understand a simple question. I asked him if they could order a set for me if they did not have it in stock and he responded, "We have nothing in the back which is not on display." I just blew that off and asked if he was going to get the 4696d in. He said what? I told him the model and he did worse than Google it. He used msn search. Guess what? He came to the Samsung site and told me what it said there! "I know that you idiot," I was thinking, since that site was the source of my information. Anyway, there are some good people out there (one CC guy I had knew a whole bunch, but most stink). It's just luck I guess.

Jared

ZZen

06-06-06, 12:41 AM

It doesn't bother anyone that it seems the Samsungs LCD's don't have a non-linear/smart stretch for SD 4:3 material?

falser

06-06-06, 12:55 AM

SD 4:3 material

What's that?

omegaGray

06-06-06, 02:06 AM

All,

I just noticed on the Samsung site a 57" 1080p LCD! It is marked as 'New' from Samsung and must have just been posted !!!

Here is the link:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS5797DXXAA.asp?page=Features

Is this really a 1080p or 1080i lcd?

Stephen

I saw the actual display today at a BB in Costa Mesa, and it looked good. It was right at store closing, though, and I didn't have the chance to ask the impatient sales clerks to switch it over from the standard rez DVD they had playing. Looking at Samsung's website, I also couldn't find any information on 1080p vs 1080i, although as I noted in another post, they did spend two helpful pages in the manual describing how to set the clock.

I DO note from the manual that the dastardly DNIe function can be turned off and also viewed in a demo mode that allows you to see the difference with the setting on or off. I'll have this on my list to check out when I go back to see the beast with some better source material.

Cocteau

06-06-06, 07:43 AM

I bet a couple of months is August then.

Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

I can't stand the delays.

This would put the 4096 right up against the new Sony's coming in September.

Jason Bourne

06-06-06, 08:11 AM

Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

I can't stand the delays.

This would put the 4096 right up against the new Sony's coming in September.

Since when has Sony actually met a projected launch date?

Cocteau

06-06-06, 08:21 AM

I'm still optimistic about the 4096D shipping this month because of the following previous post from May 26 in this thread:

I guess it's one of those wait 3 weeks and see type of things.

Hi LCD,

That post from me was a relay from level one Samsung sales support.

I'm not sure how reliable that guy was now. Since that call, I've also reached level 2 support, who said the delay on the 96 series is due to conflicts with the cable card.

Then suddenly, days later, they bring the 95-series out of no where with the ATSC tuner.

That, to me, confirms the 96-series DCR snafu.

I remain hopeful, and the Samsung site still say "Due in June" but I have some doubts.

impetigo

06-06-06, 08:22 AM

I asked him if they could order a set for me if they did not have it in stock and he responded, "We have nothing in the back which is not on display."

Ohhh... the classic "I'm-lazy-and-don't-want-to-actually-get-off-my-fat-ass-and-check" excuse.

I told him the model and he did worse than Google it. He used msn search.

LOL...

Those guys are too much, hah..

Cocteau

06-06-06, 08:22 AM

Since when has Sony actually met a projected launch date?

Good point.

impetigo

06-06-06, 08:25 AM

It doesn't bother anyone that it seems the Samsungs LCD's don't have a non-linear/smart stretch for SD 4:3 material?

Are you sure about this? That is hard to believe, although it would explain the warning about "LCD burn-in" when watching 4:3 with bars at the side stated in the manual that some posters have mentioned.

Anyone know for sure? I suspect it won't be a major issue since HDTV is generally 16x9 and most stations will be making the switch to HDTV in the next few years. Although, a few years is a relatively long time.

impetigo

06-06-06, 08:27 AM

Then suddenly, days later, they bring the 95-series out of no where with the ATSC tuner.

Cocteau, I can't remember, but was there a projected date for the 4095? There's so little info on this set. Actually, just the product info page and this site!

lionelhuts

06-06-06, 09:25 AM

Since when has Sony actually met a projected launch date?

I see your point, but I doubt they will miss this one. When Sony announced that the PS3 would indeed have 1080p and would be out in November, I predicted (not to brag, but I might as well) that Sony would come out with their LCD 1080p set 1-2 months before the PS3 November launch date. This would give PS3 buyers a chance to get their TVs ready for their game/movie player in the upcoming month. I mean, why would Sony make a system capable of something (I am referring to 1080p) that only their competitors TV sets can handle? It's not like Sony would say, "Buy our console, but not our TVs." I just don't see them missing the x-series launch date.

Cocteau

06-06-06, 09:27 AM

Cocteau, I can't remember, but was there a projected date for the 4095? There's so little info on this set. Actually, just the product info page and this site!

AFAIK there isn't. The 95-series came out of no where. The 4695 is on pre-order at B&H, for a whopping $4499.

This is all very disconcerting for me, who was led to believe the 4096D would be hitting by now, and CNET said the street price would be around $3300.

Dude, at $4499, I think Samsung is pricing itself out.

ericp

06-06-06, 09:28 AM

lionelhuts

06-06-06, 09:29 AM

Cocteau, I can't remember, but was there a projected date for the 4095? There's so little info on this set. Actually, just the product info page and this site!

As someone stated earlier in this thread, the launch would probably have to be in the next 2-4 weeks. His or her logic was that B&H has it listed as arriving in 2-4 weeks. Since B&H charges one's credit card immediately at payment, not at shipment, and returns withing 30 days are conducted, B&H cannot risk being wrong and have a delay on the panels. So, B&H must be positive that they will arrive in 2-4 weeks. But that's just what I've read.

impetigo

06-06-06, 09:49 AM

AFAIK there isn't. The 95-series came out of no where. The 4695 is on pre-order at B&H, for a whopping $4499.

This is all very disconcerting for me, who was led to believe the 4096D would be hitting by now, and CNET said the street price would be around $3300.

Dude, at $4499, I think Samsung is pricing itself out.

Agreed, the price is a bit insane. I pre-ordered the hopefully-soon-to-be-released Sharp 37D90U yesterday just in case the 4095 is delayed or too pricey. I'm not really considering the 4096 anymore, likely too pricey without enough features/improvement over the 4095. If the 4095 comes out within the next month or so and is really nice, I'll probably return the Sharp and get it (assuming the Sharp ever ships!). Oh, the drama.

Ryu Hayabusa

06-06-06, 10:02 AM

Yeah, the 4:3 issue would be a deal breaker for me. I cant stand those vertical bars.
I checked the manual for the LN-S5797D. I can't seem to find a link to the manuals for the 4095, 4096, 4696, etc. If anyone else knows, please post.

Anyway, the 5797 has a "wide fit mode" to make 4:3 content fit the screen, making the vertical bars go away (see page English-44).

Does anyone know if it is non-linear? (Non-linear streches stuff at the left and right edges more than in the middle, reducing what we might call "fat head syndrome".)

There are also two levels of zoom that will work with stuff that is coming through in 480i or 480p.

Let us hope the 4095 and 4096 have these feature. I can't imagine that they wouldn't. The stretch mode is a pretty common feature in LCDs generally. Why would they skimp on the 1080p, top of the line sets?

Cocteau

06-06-06, 11:01 AM

If the 4095 comes out within the next month or so and is really nice, I'll probably return the Sharp and get it (assuming the Sharp ever ships!). Oh, the drama.

If they announce the 4096 is for August, and there's a bunch of 4095s on-line by then, I might go 95.

I must complete my build while the family is away for July and August.

Cocteau

06-06-06, 11:03 AM

I checked the manual for the LN-S5797D. I can't seem to find a link to the manuals for the 4095, 4096, 4696, etc. If anyone else knows, please post.

The stretch mode is a pretty common feature in LCDs generally. Why would they skimp on the 1080p, top of the line sets?

The manuals do not exist yet.

They won't skimp. :D

Question is where are those 96 series puppies?

impetigo

06-06-06, 11:35 AM

If they announce the 4096 is for August, and there's a bunch of 4095s on-line by then, I might go 95.

I must complete my build while the family is away for July and August.

Now that 5797 display reports from BB are coming in (which is still "new" on the Samsung site, with no links to retailers), hopefully the 4095s can't be far behind.

Really curious what it'll look like in real life, with the metal lip and all.

Ryu Hayabusa

06-06-06, 11:40 AM

I saw the actual display today at a BB in Costa Mesa, and it looked good. It was right at store closing, though, and I didn't have the chance to ask the impatient sales clerks to switch it over from the standard rez DVD they had playing. Looking at Samsung's website, I also couldn't find any information on 1080p vs 1080i, although as I noted in another post, they did spend two helpful pages in the manual describing how to set the clock.

I DO note from the manual that the dastardly DNIe function can be turned off and also viewed in a demo mode that allows you to see the difference with the setting on or off. I'll have this on my list to check out when I go back to see the beast with some better source material.
Costa Mesa in the house, are you saying you saw the 5797? Wow. Man, you gotta take the day off work and run this thing through some tests for us. Anyone else starting to see these things? Or the 4095, etc.?

impetigo

06-06-06, 11:47 AM

Costa Mesa in the house, are you saying you saw the 5797? Wow. Man, you gotta take the day off work and run this thing through some tests for us. Anyone else starting to see these things? Or the 4095, etc.?

Yeah, pretty exciting to finally see a new model come out. Glad to hear Samsung has heard the grumblings and criticisms and allowed DNIe to be turned off in the 57" model. Hopefully all the forthcoming 40" and 46" will follow suit.

LCD1080

06-06-06, 12:01 PM

Cocteau

06-06-06, 12:20 PM

Can someone help me with the difference between the 4095D and the 4096D. The Samsung site says that the 4096D has a "Built-in Cable Ready Tuner" while the 4095D has a "Built-in Digital Tuner". I think someone mentioned that the 4096D has a cable card and the 4095D doesn't. The MSRP is $3799 for the 4096D and $3499 for the 4095D. So are these the only differences? If the 4095D is launching before the 4096D then I can certainly live without a cable card. Why would I want a "Cable Ready Tuner"? I have a Comcast DVR.

________________4096D________4095D
DCR_____________Yes__________ No
IEE 1394 _________Yes__________ No
RS232C __________Yes__________ No
DNIe ____________No___________ Yes
1080p over
Component ______ No____________ Yes
USB ____________Yes____________No

You're in the same boat as me. My family is addicted to the DVR, so I don't care that the 4095 has weaker cable card technology.

If the 4096D is further delayed, and the 4095D is all over the on-line dealers by month's end, I'm getting the 4095.

Cocteau

06-06-06, 02:09 PM

Jrain

06-06-06, 02:13 PM

________________4096D________4095D
DCR_____________Yes__________ No
IEE 1394 _________Yes__________ No
RS232C __________Yes__________ No
DNIe ____________No___________ Yes
1080p over
Component ______ No____________ Yes
USB ____________Yes____________No

You're in the same boat as me. My family is addicted to the DVR, so I don't care that the 4095 has weaker cable card technology.

If the 4096D is further delayed, and the 4095D is all over the on-line dealers by month's end, I'm getting the 4095.

Does the lack of the RS232C on the 4095 mean effectively that the 4096 is a updateable model (ie. firmware or such) while the 4095 will not be able to be updated? Is that the primary purpose of such?

The cable card issue for me is a non-issue, if indeed as Samsung has indicated, there won't be any TV Guide built in.. No way I'm subscribing to a snail-mail TV Guide in order to know whats on 200 or so channels.. What are they thinking???

impetigo

06-06-06, 02:22 PM

Beware the Con Artists:

http://www.idealav.com/item.aspx?eid=1&pid=98402

4096D at $4,998.74 pre-order.

http://www.dealznet.com/item.aspx?eid=1&pid=98402

4096D at $3,999.03

Blatantly obvious it's the same webmaster, total sham.

Both saying it doesn't ship until August.

http://www.fotoconnection.com/viewitem.php?IndexID=35284&RefTag=froogle

$3626, due in June. I still don't trust these guys either.

I also wouldn't trust these shady characters with a $100 purchase let alone a several-thousand dollar one. Most of these are Brooklyn-based (where I happen to live incidently) grey-market or otherwise shady sellers. The purported savings are definitely not worth the risk of getting ****ed over by these guys.

NedDawg

06-06-06, 02:43 PM

Why would I want a "Cable Ready Tuner"? I have a Comcast DVR.My understanding is that with Samsung (unlike Sony and some others) you can only get the QAM tuner with the cablecard slot. I have a cable company-provided DVR, so don't care about the cablecard. But, the reason I want the QAM tuner is so that I can record Hi-Def via DVR while watching a separate local Hi-Def program in real-time via the QAM tuner. (The cable signal needs to be split of course to hook up to both the DVR and the digital cable input on the TV.) I've noticed times when there have been 3 or more HD programs on at the same time that either my wife or I would want to watch, so I think the QAM tuner would be useful. How much I'll wait (and pay) for that flexibility is another question.

Matro5

06-06-06, 02:52 PM

If I go with the elusive 4096 ( and my 4041 goes back ) I'm going to go with ABT. Authorized dealer, Free Shipping, and they ballparked me the same street price CNET mentioned.

Cocteau

06-06-06, 03:05 PM

Does the lack of the RS232C on the 4095 mean effectively that the 4096 is a updateable model (ie. firmware or such) while the 4095 will not be able to be updated? Is that the primary purpose of such?

I don't know, but I'm all ears.

I'd hate to lear the 4095s can be updated.

Cocteau

06-06-06, 03:06 PM

Most of these are Brooklyn-based (where I happen to live incidently) grey-market or otherwise shady sellers. The purported savings are definitely not worth the risk of getting ****ed over by these guys.

Yo Brooklyn!!!

I'm with you 100%.

Cocteau

06-06-06, 03:08 PM

If I go with the elusive 4096 ( and my 4041 goes back ) I'm going to go with ABT. Authorized dealer, Free Shipping, and they ballparked me the same street price CNET mentioned.

Who is ABT?

Matro5

06-06-06, 03:13 PM

Who is ABT?

ABT Electronics. I dont know if I can or should post a link, but googling it should get you there pretty quickly.

i don't work there, etc. but i did ask them to match a price on the 4092 and almost ordered it on the spot, but I think patience is a virtue when it comes to my thousands of dollars.

impetigo

06-06-06, 03:19 PM

Who is ABT?

Abt electronics. A Chicago based store that has a good rep. [EDIT]

Cocteau

06-06-06, 03:23 PM

Abt electronics.

Roger that.

I'm not going to pre-order these sets.

I'll wait for J&R and Crutchfield to have them up.

Jrain

06-06-06, 03:38 PM

anyone know if the credit card is charged when preordered, or not til actually ships?

LCD1080

06-06-06, 03:43 PM

I just noticed that the base of the 4095D has a rectangular footprint while the base for the 4096D has a "D" shaped footprint. From an aesthetic point of view I like the 4095D's rectangular footprint better. You can see what I'm talking about by comparing the photos here:

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS4095DXXAA.asp

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS4096DXXAA.asp

MUGEN

06-06-06, 04:01 PM

i don't know if anyone has noticed or not but on the samsung site they now show 1080p input threw HDMI on the 95,96 and 97 series

Cocteau

06-06-06, 04:08 PM

Cocteau

06-06-06, 04:11 PM

i don't know if anyone has noticed or not but on the samsung site they now show 1080p input threw HDMI on the 95,96 and 97 series

Good get.

They are coming up to speed. ;)

Now just bring on the manuals already!

ZZen

06-06-06, 04:26 PM

Are you sure about this? That is hard to believe, although it would explain the warning about "LCD burn-in" when watching 4:3 with bars at the side stated in the manual that some posters have mentioned.

Anyone know for sure? I suspect it won't be a major issue since HDTV is generally 16x9 and most stations will be making the switch to HDTV in the next few years. Although, a few years is a relatively long time.

I'm not 100% sure. But checking the manuals of the new LNS 40" 1366x768 LCD's only show modes of : 4:3, Zoom1, Zoom2, and 16:9. None of those is a non-linear smart stretch. I'm not sure what the "wide-fit" on the 57" is. What are the other options for that one? If it has 4:3, Zoom1, Zoom2, 16:9 , AND Wide-Fit, then maybe that is a non-lin stretch.

No non-lin stretch would also be a deal breaker for me. Also it has to do it over HDMI and component (with 480 signals of course), not just s-vid, rf, etc. I saw a note in the manual I read that HDMI only has 4:3 and 16:9 options. What If people send 480i or 480p over HDMI?

My Dell 37" doesn't have a working non-lin stretch over HDMI or Component (it's broken on this model not just mine, their other sizes do it, but they won't fix it). It has been my biggest issue and the main reason I'm looking to replace it. The Sharp does this type of thing well but I was hoping to move to a 40" LCD.

yr63

06-06-06, 04:58 PM

For those waiting for 4695

B&H isn't the only one taking preorders. Datavision in NYC is also taking preorders [EDIT] ETA- 0626.

impetigo

06-06-06, 05:23 PM

anyone know if the credit card is charged when preordered, or not til actually ships?

My card was charged right after I pressed "submit order."

But you can cancel anytime before the order ships, or so they told me.

impetigo

06-06-06, 05:25 PM

I just noticed that the base of the 4095D has a rectangular footprint while the base for the 4096D has a "D" shaped footprint. From an aesthetic point of view I like the 4095D's rectangular footprint better.

I agree, I prefer the look of the 4095, althought the 4096 looks decent too. I hope they are satin black as they appear in the photo (note that the 4092 looks satin black in the photo but is in fact glossy piano black).

impetigo

06-06-06, 05:27 PM

Good get.

Agree, great get! 1080p input via HDMI is the #1 lingering question I had concerning this set. The others being cabinet finish, DNIe (turn off or not), and of course, ETA and price.

Interestingly, the 4096 product info page does *not* have the supported inputs for HDMI, and still do not show 1080p for component. The plot thickens.

LCD1080

06-06-06, 06:04 PM

...1080p input via HDMI is the #1 lingering question I had concerning this set. The others being cabinet finish, DNIe (turn off or not), and of course, ETA and price...

Seeing that 1080p input via HDMI printed in black and white right there on the Samsung site was very reassuring. At least for the 4095D it says, "HDMI-in 2 (1080p/1080i)"
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS4095DXXAA.asp?page=Specifications

Piano black and matte black finish both look good, a lot better than the silver finish on some of the competitors' models. The only thing I'm not clear about is why a few on-line retailers are taking pre-orders for the 4096D but not the 4095D. I guess it's still too early.

NedDawg

06-06-06, 06:46 PM

When I do a model compare from the Samsung site on all the new and soon-to-be released 40" LCDs, they indicate that the 4041D and 4051D have a built-in HDTV tuner, but the 4092D and the 4095D have a built-in digital tuner. Does anyone know what they may have meant by making that distinction? (Sorry if I missed this earlier in the thread.) Thanks.

Edit: The manuals for both the 4041D and 4092D state this for when you don't have an STB:

"Plug the incoming cable into the ANT 2 IN (CABLE) terminal on the back of the TV.
Because this TV is cable-ready, you do not need a cable box to view unscrambled cable channels."

Unfortunately, the terms digital and HD don't appear in second sentence.

thoth

06-06-06, 09:13 PM

Interestingly, the 4096 product info page does *not* have the supported inputs for HDMI, and still do not show 1080p for component.

It now has 1080p/1080i for HDMI, but no 1080p for component.

dcrewser

06-06-06, 11:02 PM

My card was charged right after I pressed "submit order."

But you can cancel anytime before the order ships, or so they told me.

I called and pre-ordered the 4696 at ABT on Monday [EDIT] I was told they would not charge the card until they got the TV and got an approval from me that I still wanted it. The rep said they still show it arriving in July and he was meeting with a Samsung rep later this week and would email me some details if he got any. I ask him about the matte or glossy black frame and the 4:3 aspect adjustment, so he said he'd try to find out.

omegaGray

06-06-06, 11:29 PM

Ryu Hayabusa

06-07-06, 07:25 AM

Take the day off? Are you kidding? I have an expensive display purchase in my near future! :eek:

LOL.

OK, maybe the weekend then? Or are you putting in OT for your new panel?

impetigo

06-07-06, 07:30 AM

I called and pre-ordered the 4696 at ABT on Monday [EDIT] I was told they would not charge the card until they got the TV and got an approval from me that I still wanted it. The rep said they still show it arriving in July and he was meeting with a Samsung rep later this week and would email me some details if he got any. I ask him about the matte or glossy black frame and the 4:3 aspect adjustment, so he said he'd try to find out.

I guess they didn't charge your card for the 4696 since ETA is even more uncertain than the Sharp I ordered, and doesn't even show up on the website. Very interested to hear the answers to those questions!

Cocteau

06-07-06, 07:30 AM

The only thing I'm not clear about is why a few on-line retailers are taking pre-orders for the 4096D but not the 4095D. I guess it's still too early.

The Samsung site has a link to on line sellers on the 4695D, but not the 4095, or 4096.

I think any pre-orders on the 4096D are just bunk.

The manual isn't even on the Samsung site yet.

***just pre-ordered the thing. I'm soooo FOS. ;)

ned215

06-07-06, 08:07 AM

I guess they didn't charge your card for the 4696 since ETA is even more uncertain than the Sharp I ordered, and doesn't even show up on the website. Very interested to hear the answers to those questions!

To see the listing on Abt's site, use Abt's search engine (type in lns4696d).

ned215

06-07-06, 08:17 AM

I think any pre-orders on the 4096D are just bunk.

Abt is a very reputable retailer. We were referred to them by my brother-in-law, who bought a large screen HDTV from them. We then went ahead and purchased all of our large appliances for our new house from their b&m location. We also were very happy with their prices & service. This of course doesn't mean that Abt knows anything more about the Samsung lcds than any other etailer or b&m store. But, I can assure you that if they're taking pre-orders then the odds are pretty good that the sets arrival are imminent.

Cocteau

06-07-06, 10:09 AM

Abt is a very reputable retailer. I can assure you that if they're taking pre-orders then the odds are pretty good that the sets arrival are imminent.

That's good info, thanks.

It's mainly the $3,XXX price tag that's bugging me.

ABT's is lower than others though.

I was just led to believe it would debut at $3,xxx.

Do you think I should pre-order it with ABT or keep my powder dry?

Thanks Ned.

ned215

06-07-06, 10:20 AM

Personally, I'm waiting. You don't have a whole lot to gain by pre-ordering this early in the game. When the sets do finally come out, you may find better prices at other reputable dealers. The only possible downside to waiting is that Samsung might not be able to keep up with demand. I'm counting on supply not being a problem, especially with Westinghouse, Toshiba, JVC, Sony and lastly Sharp all coming out with their new LCDs in the next 3-4 months.

Cocteau

06-07-06, 10:58 AM

Personally, I'm waiting. You don't have a whole lot to gain by pre-ordering this early in the game.

Hi Ned,

Too late. I just pre-ordered the 4096D at ABT. :)

Ahhhh, I can feel the love now.

Cocteau

06-07-06, 11:02 AM

Hi All,

The dudes at ABT knew the forum. :)

I said "The chat forum I use said you guys were good, it's called a.v....."

"avsforum? Sure, I know it!"

Nuff said. I ordered the thing.

impetigo

06-07-06, 11:48 AM

Hi All,

The dudes at ABT knew the forum. :)

I said "The chat forum I use said you guys were good, it's called a.v....."

"avsforum? Sure, I know it!"

Nuff said. I ordered the thing.

Heh heh, funny story.

You didn't ask them about the 4095 by chance? Maybe I'll give them a call today.

Cocteau

06-07-06, 12:01 PM

Heh heh, funny story.

You didn't ask them about the 4095 by chance? Maybe I'll give them a call today.

No, I didn't.

Give them a hollar.

Nice mid-west guys, and I got a decent price.

PS: I'll let the forum know when they charge my card and when they say it's ready to ship.

devotiondoubt

06-07-06, 01:03 PM

Cocteau

06-07-06, 01:05 PM

Hey All,

Isn't it a little odd that Samsung is apparently quicker off the mark with the 46" 1080p set than the 40"?

I'm used to seeing the smaller screens in particular series hit first.

*wishful thinking perhaps, but it's a honest query*

Cocteau

06-07-06, 01:12 PM

ABT were having a 12% off sale last week. Not sure if it's still in effect but you might want to ask if your place a pre-order. I bought a LN-S4041D last week and go the discount so it still might be on going.

Good info.

I did happen to get a discount, but it wasn't quite that much.

I'm still pleased.

I realize the 4096D will probably be sub-3000 by the time it's widely available, however it won't have free shipping, and that's a $200 delta right there.

BRY1080P

06-07-06, 01:28 PM

ned215

06-07-06, 01:31 PM

lionelhuts

06-07-06, 09:34 PM

I know this does not really apply to this thread seeing as how I am talking about beyond 2006, but I was wondering when people think or feel LCD's will finally have LED Backlights in them, 2007, 2008, 2009, or 2010???

The Sony Qualia 005 which was shown in 2004 and released mainly in Japan (late 2004, early 2005 I believe) uses LED Backlights. The only problems are finding one and willing to pay at least 8 grand.

BRY1080P

06-08-06, 01:29 AM

The Sony Qualia 005 which was shown in 2004 and released mainly in Japan (late 2004, early 2005 I believe) uses LED Backlights. The only problems are finding one and willing to pay at least 8 grand.
Sony has already made last year's XBR's with 1300:1 contrast ratios and Sharp already has a 57" with a 1500:1 contrast ratio. Yeah, I forgot that I knew the Sony has had the expensive Quallia out, but in the future, when do people think the name brand companies start putting LED's in their panels???

jsohng

06-08-06, 11:37 AM

Yoda1

06-08-06, 11:55 AM

It seems, from the user manual on Samsung's site, that the LN-S4695D accepts 1080p over component, whereas the LN-S4696D does not. It could be a typo, but that's all I could discern from the manuals online.

I do prefer the aesthetics of the LN-S4696D, however.

Cocteau

06-08-06, 12:44 PM

I do prefer the aesthetics of the LN-S4696D, however.

Like that clear sound reflecting strip at the bottom?

Cocteau

06-08-06, 01:19 PM

What is the main difference between these two models?
So far, The only difference that I can see is that One has a contrast ratio of 6000:1 and the other is 7000:1. Is this difference really that significant and worth waiting for? They both seem to be 1080p and have basically the same specs. The LN-S4695 is also cheaper by $400 and is available now.

Does anyone know something that I don't know?

4696, 7000:1 - 4695, 6000:1

4696, DCR - 4695, just ATSC

4696, IEE 1394 - 4695, nope

4696, RS 232C - 4695, zippola

4696, USB - 4695, not havin it

4696, clear sound reflector - 4695, solid

jsohng

06-08-06, 02:33 PM

When are these models supposed to come out? I have seen from as early as this month up to August of this year. Anyone have any more info?

doug_k

06-08-06, 03:23 PM

lionelhuts

06-08-06, 06:18 PM

4696, 7000:1 - 4695, 6000:1

4696, DCR - 4695, just ATSC

4696, IEE 1394 - 4695, nope

4696, RS 232C - 4695, zippola

4696, USB - 4695, not havin it

4696, clear sound reflector - 4695, solid

Good points. But I think one of the major differenences yet to be known is DNIe. We know that the 95 has it, but we do not know if the 96 does as well (so far it does not).

newhd

06-08-06, 07:54 PM

Any update/insight on this? I am also VERY bothered by the fact that Samsung does not have a non-linear zoom. :(
Could anyone confirm if all the zooms they offered are linear?

I'm not 100% sure. But checking the manuals of the new LNS 40" 1366x768 LCD's only show modes of : 4:3, Zoom1, Zoom2, and 16:9. None of those is a non-linear smart stretch. I'm not sure what the "wide-fit" on the 57" is. What are the other options for that one? If it has 4:3, Zoom1, Zoom2, 16:9 , AND Wide-Fit, then maybe that is a non-lin stretch.

No non-lin stretch would also be a deal breaker for me. Also it has to do it over HDMI and component (with 480 signals of course), not just s-vid, rf, etc. I saw a note in the manual I read that HDMI only has 4:3 and 16:9 options. What If people send 480i or 480p over HDMI?

My Dell 37" doesn't have a working non-lin stretch over HDMI or Component (it's broken on this model not just mine, their other sizes do it, but they won't fix it). It has been my biggest issue and the main reason I'm looking to replace it. The Sharp does this type of thing well but I was hoping to move to a 40" LCD.

doug_k

06-08-06, 08:24 PM

What's the use of zoom? I'm just curious why folks want it.

lionelhuts

06-08-06, 08:47 PM

Some people don't want the vertical side bars when watching TV that is in a 4:3 ratio instead of the 16:9 which the Sammys are in. The zoom would stretch it to fit one's TV (with some quality loss though).

Now I have a question. :) These Sammys and my DVD player support component Y, Pb, Pr. However, my component cables are red, yellow and blue which I believe is Y, Cb, Cr. I read that all component cables are the same, but I do not know if that is true. Does anyone know if I can hook up my DVD player and Sammy TV with this cable? And if I can, how should I connect them? (By this I mean, should the red be with red, blue with blue, and yellow with green?)

Thanks,
Jared

btv94

06-08-06, 09:24 PM

gwave

06-08-06, 10:18 PM

[QUOTE=lionelhuts]Some people don't want the vertical side bars when watching TV that is in a 4:3 ratio instead of the 16:9 which the Sammys are in.

How do I check for sure to see which tv would show side bare and which tv won't when playing 4:3 ration. I'd rather know before making a purchase.

Thanks,
they all do unless you use zoom or "fit to screen " mode which just streches the picture. From what I gather Sammy's use zoom which crops the picture a bit, which I think is BS.

btv94

06-08-06, 11:32 PM

[QUOTE=btv94]
they all do unless you use zoom or "fit to screen " mode which just streches the picture. From what I gather Sammy's use zoom which crops the picture a bit, which I think is BS.

I never like to watch in strech mode. Just wonder if LN-S4696D or LN-S4695D can do 4:3 with vertical side bars.
I now have 42" rear projectsor lcd that can do 4:3 with vertical side bar and I love it.

Thanks,

lionelhuts

06-09-06, 07:32 AM

Both sets will do vertical bars in 4;3 unless you specifically set the set to zoom in those situations. So if you want the bars, you got 'em. :) So in other words, exactly what gwave said.

Jared

Ryu Hayabusa

06-09-06, 09:04 AM

Any thoughts on how these new Sammy 1080p LCDs connect to PC? Apparently the HDMI input will not accept 1080p from PC. Samsung recommends connecting through RGB connection.

How would this compare to the forthcoming 37" Sharp 1080p LCD, which does connect to PC through the HDMI input? I'd really prefer not to drop down to the 37" from 40", all other things being equal.

I'm not sure that I should even care. I will only game on this set with Xbox 360 and eventually PS3, so PC gaming is not a factor for me. I'm guessing for some of you, the PC gaming thing might be a major factor. I would probably only use it to show home movies I recorded in SD resolution. Will RGB vs. HDMI even make a difference? My notebook can output 1080p via DVI (which I'd have to convert to HMDI). I'm not sure if I can get 1080p over the RGB/VGA connection.

Bustabus

06-09-06, 09:05 AM

Looks like august for the 40 and 46 inchers. (http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/samsung-hdtv-tour-179486.php) Can't wait!

LCD1080

06-09-06, 10:21 AM

Any thoughts on how these new Sammy 1080p LCDs connect to PC? Apparently the HDMI input will not accept 1080p from PC. Samsung recommends connecting through RGB connection...
Actuallly the HDMI input on the Samsung 4096D will accept 1080p from a PC, however you will need a DVI-HDMI connector since PCs don't have HDMI ports. Samsung merely illustrates the connection between the 4096D and a PC through the RGB connector, that does not mean that a connection through the HDMI port is not possible.

EDIT: After looking at page 14-English of the manual for the 5797D, I see that the panel does not permit connection to a PC through the HDMI input. Only the RGB input can be used to connect to a PC. I would guess that this also applies to the 4096D although we'll have to wait for the manual to be sure.

Cocteau

06-09-06, 10:32 AM

When are these models supposed to come out? I have seen from as early as this month up to August of this year. Anyone have any more info?

Nobody knows.

However, Samsung's site continues to say "Coming in June" so I remain hopeful it's within a couple weeks.

Cocteau

06-09-06, 10:39 AM

Now I have a question. :) These Sammys and my DVD player support component Y, Pb, Pr. However, my component cables are red, yellow and blue which I believe is Y, Cb, Cr. I read that all component cables are the same, but I do not know if that is true. Does anyone know if I can hook up my DVD player and Sammy TV with this cable? And if I can, how should I connect them? (By this I mean, should the red be with red, blue with blue, and yellow with green?)

Thanks,
Jared

I can't answer that, but my $.02 worth here is to go buy a HDMI DVD player!

Cocteau

06-09-06, 10:42 AM

Looks like august for the 40 and 46 inchers. (http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/samsung-hdtv-tour-179486.php) Can't wait!

I don't know if I beleive the article.

That's the same NYC showing that CNET-reviews said the TVs will be out by July.

Samsung's own site still says "Coming in June"

Cocteau

06-09-06, 10:44 AM

Any thoughts on how these new Sammy 1080p LCDs connect to PC? Apparently the HDMI input will not accept 1080p from PC. Samsung recommends connecting through RGB connection.

Call Samsung tech support.

I've got to believe DVI to HDMI is 1080p.

Cocteau

06-09-06, 10:49 AM

impetigo

06-09-06, 11:07 AM

Looks like august for the 40 and 46 inchers. (http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/samsung-hdtv-tour-179486.php) Can't wait!

A bit disappointed that the xx96 series will have a glossy piano black bezel. The article makes no mention of the xx95 series which is supposedly coming out earlier than the xx96 ones.

The 96 Series, which includes the 32” LN-S3296D (available in July for $2,299), 40” LN-S4096D and 46” LN-S4696D ($4,099 and $4,799 and available in August) are a pretty good deal. Part of what differentiates this year’s LCDs from last is the piano black of the exterior.

impetigo

06-09-06, 11:08 AM

Hi All,

UPDATE!

The Samsung site switched the 4096D from "Coming in June" to "Available in June"

The 4696D still reads "Coming in June"

Yahoooooooo!!! I've got to believe this means the 4096D is a definite now for June.

Great news, hopefully it's not just semantics. I'm more interested in the 4095 though, hopefully we'll get some news on that set soon. The Samsung site doesn't show either "available" or "coming" for the 4095 at all.

bpmurr

06-09-06, 11:12 AM

impetigo

06-09-06, 11:14 AM

How would this compare to the forthcoming 37" Sharp 1080p LCD, which does connect to PC through the HDMI input? I'd really prefer not to drop down to the 37" from 40", all other things being equal.

I'm not sure that I should even care. I will only game on this set with Xbox 360 and eventually PS3, so PC gaming is not a factor for me. I'm guessing for some of you, the PC gaming thing might be a major factor. I would probably only use it to show home movies I recorded in SD resolution. Will RGB vs. HDMI even make a difference? My notebook can output 1080p via DVI (which I'd have to convert to HMDI). I'm not sure if I can get 1080p over the RGB/VGA connection.

The Sharp 37D90U will probably be great for gaming, as it has a 6ms response time. It also has a DVI-I input that accepts 1080p, which will be useful for PC connections. I don't believe you can get 1080p via RGB/D-Sub connection.

impetigo

06-09-06, 11:24 AM

Ryu Hayabusa

06-09-06, 11:41 AM

Is a LN-S4096D really worth twice the price of a Westinghouse 42w2? I know you pay a brand/quality premium but $2k is pretty steep. What makes the Sammy that much better? Right now I’m ready to pull the trigger on a 42w2 since Best Buy has it on the cheap. Thanks!
Wow, that BB deal is pretty cheap, but there is no way you'll end up paying close to MSRP for the Sammy 40", so your +2k estimate is way off.

I've been following the Westy 42" 1080p discussion and it looks like a competitor. Issues for me (maybe not for you) would be 1. no HDTV tuner of any kind 2. only 1 HDMI input 3. Worries about quality (risk factor is uncertain) 4. Aesthetics of the bezel. 5. NTSC color gamut.

It does have some nice things going for it, like 2 DVI connections and 2 component connections, slightly larger viewing area, etc. For the price difference, I could see why people would want it. Hopefully this will put pressure on Samsung to keep those price cuts coming.

Ryu Hayabusa

06-09-06, 11:46 AM

Call Samsung tech support.

I've got to believe DVI to HDMI is 1080p.

Well, the manual for the 5797 says "The HDMI/DVI jacks do not support PC connection" - page English-14. That apparently means you can't connect PC via HDMI/DVI in any resolution.

I wish you were right but I doubt it.

Cocteau

06-09-06, 01:07 PM

Great news, hopefully it's not just semantics. I'm more interested in the 4095 though, hopefully we'll get some news on that set soon. The Samsung site doesn't show either "available" or "coming" for the 4095 at all.

I don't know, but it's interseting that samsung would switch the language from "coming" to "available"

"available" sounds like the thing is shipping right now and it will hit the VIP stores shortly.

falser

06-09-06, 01:21 PM

Well, the manual for the 5797 says "The HDMI/DVI jacks do not support PC connection" - page English-14. That apparently means you can't connect PC via HDMI/DVI in any resolution.

I hope this is not true for the 4096/4696. If they can only deinterlace 1080i to progressive than they are not technically 1080p compatible.

westa6969

06-09-06, 01:28 PM

I hope this is not true for the 4096/4696. If they can only deinterlace 1080i to progressive than they are not technically 1080p compatible.
I spoke with a Samsung Consultant that provides info to members on a Canadian Forum "Sameer" (digitalhomecanada) and he confirmed that in fact the LNS5797 are 1080P.

He stated that the 96/97 series are 1080P despite what you see on the Samsung Website that may present confusion. He said the Canadians get theirs 2-3 months after the US and not sure if they'll see any 57" models in Canada but that another model will be arriving at 52" size. :)

Cocteau

06-09-06, 01:28 PM

Is a LN-S4096D really worth twice the price of a Westinghouse 42w2? I know you pay a brand/quality premium but $2k is pretty steep. What makes the Sammy that much better? Right now I’m ready to pull the trigger on a 42w2 since Best Buy has it on the cheap. Thanks!

Westinghouse is doing a great job of trouncing the lower resolution LCDs. It's a great bang for the buck vs. those guys.

However, vs. their 1080p peers, there's a lot missing.

vs. the 4096D, the Westy is at 16.7 million colors vs. 17.8 Billion collors with 10 bit-processing.

vs. the 4096D, the Westy is at 72% color gamut vs. 92%. That's big, and big cost.

The 4096D's cold cathode light technology really boosts the contrast ratio vs. the Westy.

Then you toss in the expensive AR coating on the 4096D, the newest scaling technology, and you realize that you get what pay for in life.

That said, the Westy is blasting its competition, but the 4096D is a cut above.

DrizztD0Urden

06-09-06, 01:28 PM

Deinterlacing and supporting PC connections aren't related. Not supporting PC connections usually means no 1:1 mapping, so there's cut-off/overscan

westa6969

06-09-06, 01:29 PM

Westinghouse will always be a Westinghouse - Just as a Zenith and RCA is.

Does anyone consider that panel unless they lack money? You get what you pay for! ;)

Bang for the Buck for blind Po-Folks!

As this is not a Westinghouse thread take that Westinghouse OT to it's own FanClub. :cool:

Ryu Hayabusa

06-09-06, 01:38 PM

1. So can you get 1:1 mapping over RGB/D-sub with the 96/97 Samsung LCD lines?
2. If my notebook puts out 1080p over the RGB cable and the panel takes it 1:1, that's true 1080p, right? Or is that not technically possible?

bluescreen

06-09-06, 01:53 PM

LN-S4696D, LN-S4096D, and LN-S3296D (priced at $4,000, $3,300, and $2,200),
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/29/samsung-shows-off-hdtv-summer-line/I tracked down to alot of the MSRP confusion I've been having to this engadget post. It looks as though they botched things by listing the xx92 series prices instead after looking at Samsung's press release (http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20060524_0000257857) of the same time.

MUGEN

06-09-06, 02:01 PM

46" LN-S4696D ($4,799 MSRP) and the 40" LN-S4096D ($4,099 MSRP)
this looks right and i'm sticking with these prices as the real msrp

all you have to do is knock off $300 and you have the 95 series.
46" ln-s4695D ($4,499 MSRP) and the 40" ln-s4095D ($3,799 MSRP)

iGrooveLA

06-09-06, 02:10 PM

whats the best guess for actual street price? would be like $500 less or so?

uzombie

06-09-06, 02:16 PM

The manual (http://www.samsung.com/support/productsupport/download/FileView.aspx?cttfileid=929964&type=TV&typecode=&subtype=LCD+TV&subtypecode=&cmssubtypecode=&model=LN-S4092D&filetype=UM&language=&LSSI=/include/SSI/us_left/LMenu_TV_LCDTV.sec&RSSI=/include/SSI/us_right/RMenu_TV.sec) for the 4092 has a matrix of what combinations can be used with PIP. And there's no CableCard slot in the *92.

Funny, Samsung's website lacks the dimensions for the 4696, but the pdf manual for both models has the dimensions for both:

4092 is 39.5"x 13"x 29.5" w/stand
4696 is 44.3"x 14.1"x 32.2" w/stand

MUGEN

06-09-06, 02:21 PM

Funny, Samsung's website lacks the dimensions for the 4696, but the pdf manual for both models has the dimensions for both:

4092 is 39.5"x 13"x 29.5" w/stand
4696 is 44.3"x 14.1"x 32.2" w/stand
use the 95 series dimensions for a close comparison to the 96 series unknown dimensions
46" Monitor with stand 44.5"(W) x 31"(H) x 12.8"(D)
40" Monitor with stand 39.1"(W) x 27.4"(H) x 12.8"(D)

falser

06-09-06, 02:22 PM

He stated that the 96/97 series are 1080P despite what you see on the Samsung Website that may present confusion.

But is it 1080p through HDMI compatible, or is it DVI 1920x1080@60Hz compatible?

Or can the display only reach 1920x1080@30Hz? Cause that would also suck.

bpmurr

06-09-06, 02:32 PM

Westinghouse is doing a great job of trouncing the lower resolution LCDs. It's a great bang for the buck vs. those guys.

However, vs. their 1080p peers, there's a lot missing.

vs. the 4096D, the Westy is at 16.7 million colors vs. 17.8 Billion collors with 10 bit-processing.

vs. the 4096D, the Westy is at 72% color gamut vs. 92%. That's big, and big cost.

The 4096D's cold cathode light technology really boosts the contrast ratio vs. the Westy.

Then you toss in the expensive AR coating on the 4096D, the newest scaling technology, and you realize that you get what pay for in life.

That said, the Westy is blasting its competition, but the 4096D is a cut above.

The biggest selling point for me is does the Sammy do 1:1 pixel mapping so via a DVI to HDMI connection so I can use my PC? I want a digital connection not analog. If not thats a huge advantage in Westy's favor.