I just examined the 4092 at BB and found that dNIe can be toggled on and off. Since the 4095 and 4096 are upgrades of the 4092, I think it's safe to assume that dNIe likewise will be toggle-able on and off with both of those new models. BTW the 4092 had a piano black bezel which looked rather sharp.

That's gotta be the case!

I just examined the 4092 at BB and found that dNIe can be toggled on and off. Since the 4095 and 4096 are upgrades of the 4092, I think it's safe to assume that dNIe likewise will be toggle-able on and off with both of those new models. BTW the 4092 had a piano black bezel which looked rather sharp.

Awesome news. Hopefully all the newer models will have a toggle-able DNIe.

Crud.

That press release says the 4096D is due in August.

How confusing.

The Samsung site just moved the 4096D from "Coming in June" to "Available in June"

I wouldn't get too discouraged just yet. The press release came out over two weeks ago while the change to Samsung's website came within the past day. The latter may represent more current information.

I just examined the 4092 at BB and found that dNIe can be toggled on and off. Since the 4095 and 4096 are upgrades of the 4092, I think it's safe to assume that dNIe likewise will be toggle-able on and off with both of those new models. BTW the 4092 had a piano black bezel which looked rather sharp.

Are you sure it was the 4092? I have that model at home and it does not have the option to turn off dNIe. Maybe a different firmware has been released? I just got the TV Sunday. Hmm...

Are you sure it was the 4092? I have that model at home and it does not have the option to turn off dNIe. Maybe a different firmware has been released? I just got the TV Sunday. Hmm...

It was the 4092 but it's possible that I thought I was turning DNIe off when in fact all I was doing was starting a demo mode that showed half the screen with DNIe off and the other half of the screen with DNIe on. On the remote I pressed "Menu", "Picture", and "Enter". I may have pressed "Enter DNie Demo" and then pressed the "Off" button thinking that I had turned DNIe off when actually DNIe remained in its default "on" condition. I do remember seeing a demonstration of what the picture looked like with DNIe turned off and with it turned on. As I mentioned in that demonstration half the screen showed the picture with DNIe off and the other half with it on. I just looked at the manual and didn't see a way of turning DNIe off other than in the Demo mode. I really didn't see much of a difference though with DNIe on or off. The picture was a little brighter with it on but the PQ didn't appear different to me. They had the program set to a Discovery channel HD production. The manual for the 4092 is here:
http://www.samsung.com/support/productsupport/download/FileView.aspx?cttfileid=929964&type=TV&typecode=&subtype=LCD+TV&subtypecode=&cmssubtypecode=&model=LN-S4092D&filetype=UM&language=&LSSI=/include/SSI/us_left/LMenu_TV_LCDTV.sec&RSSI=/include/SSI/us_right/RMenu_TV.sec

It was the 4092 but it's possible that I thought I was turning DNIe off when in fact all I was doing was starting a demo mode that showed half the screen with DNIe off and the other half of the screen with DNIe on. On the remote I pressed "Menu", "Picture", and "Enter". I may have pressed "Enter DNie Demo" and then pressed the "Off" button thinking that I had turned DNIe off when actually DNIe remained in its default "on" condition. I do remember seeing a demonstration of what the picture looked like with DNIe turned off and with it turned on. As I mentioned in that demonstration half the screen showed the picture with DNIe off and the other half with it on. I just looked at the manual and didn't see a way of turning DNIe off other than in the Demo mode. I really didn't see much of a difference though with DNIe on or off. The picture was a little brighter with it on but the PQ didn't appear different to me. They had the program set to a Discovery channel HD production. The manual for the 4092 is here:
http://www.samsung.com/support/productsupport/download/FileView.aspx?cttfileid=929964&type=TV&typecode=&subtype=LCD+TV&subtypecode=&cmssubtypecode=&model=LN-S4092D&filetype=UM&language=&LSSI=/include/SSI/us_left/LMenu_TV_LCDTV.sec&RSSI=/include/SSI/us_right/RMenu_TV.sec

I believe that DNIe turns off in "movie mode" but otherwise cannot be turned on/off in that model. No one knows if the 95/96 series will be able to or not.

Funny, Samsung's website lacks the dimensions for the 4696, but the pdf manual for both models has the dimensions for both:

4092 is 39.5"x 13"x 29.5" w/stand
4696 is 44.3"x 14.1"x 32.2" w/stand

What pdf did you use to get that info for the 4696? When I look at the pdf for the 4696, it still says "tbd" for the dimensions.

Now I have a question. :) These Sammys and my DVD player support component Y, Pb, Pr. However, my component cables are red, yellow and blue which I believe is Y, Cb, Cr. I read that all component cables are the same, but I do not know if that is true. Does anyone know if I can hook up my DVD player and Sammy TV with this cable? And if I can, how should I connect them? (By this I mean, should the red be with red, blue with blue, and yellow with green?)


I can't answer that, but my $.02 worth here is to go buy a HDMI DVD player!

Thanks for the reply. The problem is that I will not be playing DVDs much longer, except for the ones I currently have. At this time, I only want to use the player between now and the launch of the PS3. So since it is a temporary need (yet I still want good quality for those few months) :), I don't want to buy a whole new component only to be used for a few months. Also, the Sony 5 disc DVD/CD changer was rather expensive when I bought it, so I would hate to not use it. (Also, if I did, I would be out of HDMI ports - 1 for cable and the other for PS3).

Any other ideas then on whether or not the component cable will work with the DVD player and TV?

Thanks,
Jared

Lionelhuts, it will work fine. Different labels, same stuff. Don't worry so much. If you hook up the cables in the wrong order, just switch them one at a time until it works. Non-issue.

I wouldn't get too discouraged just yet. The press release came out over two weeks ago while the change to Samsung's website came within the past day. The latter may represent more current information.

YES!

*dances in circles*

I'm loosing it. :D

Also, the Sony 5 disc DVD/CD changer was rather expensive when I bought it, so I would hate to not use it. (Also, if I did, I would be out of HDMI ports - 1 for cable and the other for PS3).

Thanks,
Jared

Buddy, don't bother thinking that way... our DVD players are boat anchors. Might as well salute them and watch 'em sink. ;)

As for life after PS3...

We need one HDMI for the cable box, and one for the PS3. Period. :D

PS: If PS3 is out after Halloween as promised, I'm not gonna bother sinking component cables in my wall anyhow. I'll go DVD free until PS3.

Cold Turkey!

We need one HDMI for the cable box, and one for the PS3. Period. :D

Exactly my thinking too. ;)

It was the 4092 but it's possible that I thought I was turning DNIe off when in fact all I was doing was starting a demo mode that showed half the screen with DNIe off and the other half of the screen with DNIe on. On the remote I pressed "Menu", "Picture", and "Enter". I may have pressed "Enter DNie Demo" and then pressed the "Off" button thinking that I had turned DNIe off when actually DNIe remained in its default "on" condition. I do remember seeing a demonstration of what the picture looked like with DNIe turned off and with it turned on. As I mentioned in that demonstration half the screen showed the picture with DNIe off and the other half with it on. I just looked at the manual and didn't see a way of turning DNIe off other than in the Demo mode. I really didn't see much of a difference though with DNIe on or off. The picture was a little brighter with it on but the PQ didn't appear different to me. They had the program set to a Discovery channel HD production. The manual for the 4092 is here:
http://www.samsung.com/support/productsupport/download/FileView.aspx?cttfileid=929964&type=TV&typecode=&subtype=LCD+TV&subtypecode=&cmssubtypecode=&model=LN-S4092D&filetype=UM&language=&LSSI=/include/SSI/us_left/LMenu_TV_LCDTV.sec&RSSI=/include/SSI/us_right/RMenu_TV.sec

I was not able to turn it off on a 4092 at BB.

On models where you can, the options are On, Demo, Off.

At this time, I only want to use the player between now and the launch of the PS3. So since it is a temporary need (yet I still want good quality for those few months) :), I don't want to buy a whole new component only to be used for a few months.

I'm in the same boat, but actually buying an upconverting player isn't a bad idea since the blu-ray/HD-DVD selection is going to be relatively tiny for at least a few years, and many titles likely won't come out for even longer. That's what I'm planning to do, since they only cost about a hundred bucks or so anyway.

Well, the manual for the 5797 says "The HDMI/DVI jacks do not support PC connection" - page English-14. That apparently means you can't connect PC via HDMI/DVI in any resolution.

1080p60 is 1080p60 regardless of whether a PC or something else generates it. I assume what the manual is saying is that standard PC resolutions like 640x480 (when booting up), 800x600, etc are only supported on VGA (which makes it a non-starter for me).

1080p60 is 1080p60 regardless of whether a PC or something else generates it. I assume what the manual is saying is that standard PC resolutions like 640x480 (when booting up), 800x600, etc are only supported on VGA (which makes it a non-starter for me).

I hear you on the non-starter issue. You got the lower end models like the 42w2 that support PC hookups on all the inputs. Then you got the Sammy with all these nice features but it doesn't support PC resolutions on all inputs. Maybe somebody will make a good screen that does it all one of these days...

1080p60 is 1080p60 regardless of whether a PC or something else generates it. I assume what the manual is saying is that standard PC resolutions like 640x480 (when booting up), 800x600, etc are only supported on VGA (which makes it a non-starter for me).
That appears to be correct now that I look at English-page 14 of the manual for the 5797D. Also note that according to English-page 86 of the manual for the 5797D that resolutions up to 1920x1080 are supported on the RGB-In port of the 5797D. I'm assuming that the same will apply to the 4096D. I need to know that my assumption is correct however before I can commit to buying the 4096D. I don't mind viewing 1920x1080 from the analog (RGB) output of the PC rather than from the digital (DVI) output, in fact I do that now on my 20 inch LCD display and it looks almost as good as DVI. However my minimum requirement for any 1080P panel is 1920 x 1080 resolution when using the RGB output of my PC. I'm optimistic that the 4096D can do that but I have to wait for Samsung to put the manual on-line before I can know for sure.

Lionelhuts, it will work fine. Different labels, same stuff. Don't worry so much. If you hook up the cables in the wrong order, just switch them one at a time until it works. Non-issue.

Thanks for the info!

Buddy, don't bother thinking that way... our DVD players are boat anchors. Might as well salute them and watch 'em sink. ;)

As for life after PS3...

We need one HDMI for the cable box, and one for the PS3. Period. :D

PS: If PS3 is out after Halloween as promised, I'm not gonna bother sinking component cables in my wall anyhow. I'll go DVD free until PS3.

Cold Turkey!

Actually, I do think that way. The problem is that I'm not the financier of the AV system in my house. I'm actually just entering college and living at home (I can't afford to live on campus). My parents don't know that much about technology so I do the research, and my dad trusts me on what to buy. However, he is fixed on keeping the DVD player because he likes it and is used to how it functions and changes discs. I'm just the man that configures it and enjoys the setup. (After all, I'm getting a free ride to enjoy the system, and beggars can't be choosers. :))

is it out yet? its already june.

That appears to be correct now that I look at English-page 14 of the manual for the 5797D. Also note that according to English-page 86 of the manual for the 5797D that resolutions up to 1920x1080 are supported on the RGB-In port of the 5797D. I'm assuming that the same will apply to the 4096D. I need to know that my assumption is correct however before I can commit to buying the 4096D. I don't mind viewing 1920x1080 from the analog (RGB) output of the PC rather than from the digital (DVI) output, in fact I do that now on my 20 inch LCD display and it looks almost as good as DVI. However my minimum requirement for any 1080P panel is 1920 x 1080 resolution when using the RGB output of my PC. I'm optimistic that the 4096D can do that but I have to wait for Samsung to put the manual on-line before I can know for sure.

OK, so it's likely that I'll be able to get 1980x1080 with the 4096 by using the RGB. Why is this a non-starter for thoth and bpmurr? I'm not trying to question your logic, but I still don't understand why the DVI connection would be better than RGB if the supported resolutions are apparently the same? Could someone explain the difference? Does analog v. digital output make that much of a difference? Would it be a big factor for either HTPC or PC gaming?

he is fixed on keeping the DVD player because he likes it and is used to how it functions and changes discs. I'm just the man that configures it and enjoys the setup.

Roger that.

I know how people can resist learning new machines.

That DVD should still look pretty sweet. :)

is it out yet? its already june.

Nope.

The only positive sign is the LN-S4096D moved from "Coming in June" to "Available in June" on the Samsung site on Friday.

*fingers crossed*

Why is this a non-starter for thoth and bpmurr?

Analog connections are just too last century for me. Plus concerns about needing HDCP in the next generation HTPC setups.

Analog connections are just too last century for me. Plus concerns about needing HDCP in the next generation HTPC setups.
That's understandable. I think I need to head over to the HTPC forums and do some more reading on this. Thanks.

Analog connections are just too last century for me. Plus concerns about needing HDCP in the next generation HTPC setups.
The only use I can think of that would require HDCP in a next generation HTPC setup would be to buy downloads of some future IPTV production from a subscriber service. But that seems so far in the future that I don't think it would keep me from buying the 4096D. The only near term use might be to view Blu-ray or HD DVD discs using a drive on my next computer but I plan on getting a Blu-ray player anyway so that's not something that's going to deter me from buying the 4096D either. In any event there don't appear to be any graphics boards that support HDCP at the present time.

http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,124944,00.asp

The only use I can think of that would require HDCP in a next generation HTPC setup would be to buy downloads of some future IPTV production from a subscriber service.

My interest is in digital cable ready TV tuner cards, at least one of which has been demo'd.

In any event there don't appear to be any graphics boards that support HDCP at the present time.

Sony has an (old) bundled one. I think they will appear once Vista is out. Notice for example that HDCP was reasonably prominent in nVidia's PureVideo HD announcement this week.

*****UPDATE*****

On the 4695D page, Samsung now lists "local store locator" under "buy from online retailer." No stores came up for me, but I think that is just because the retailers have not placed an order for a specific quantity. I take this as a sign that it will be available soon locally. (Note that this sign was only for the 4695D, not even the 4095D)

I am out visiting in LA and called the local best buy (La Puente) and the salesman told me he expected to have the 4695 in about 10 days, he didn't have any information on the 4095 and said it was not even in his computer. He stated that they had it listed at 4199 but not to quote him on that until they had them on the floor. He seemed fairly certain of arrival date, whatever that means.

Seth

wait, which Samsung model is better LN-S4695D or LN-S4696D?

*****UPDATE*****

On the 4695D page, Samsung now lists "local store locator" under "buy from online retailer." No stores came up for me, but I think that is just because the retailers have not placed an order for a specific quantity. I take this as a sign that it will be available soon locally. (Note that this sign was only for the 4695D, not even the 4095D)

BINGO.

Another move forward. :)

wait, which Samsung model is better LN-S4695D or LN-S4696D?

Backpeddle the thread dude.

The 96 is the flagship series.

But it depends on your needs.

Good News!!! maybe?

Just got back from BB trying to get in on the Westinghouse 42" 1080p deal and asked the guy about the new samsungs. He was aware of the new lcd 1080p but wasn't sure the model. when I mentioned the model numbers he said "Yes! I remember in the newletter we get, we are getting it in the first week of July" and then went on to say how sony will be coming out with one soon after that.

I guess take it with a grain of salt. But it gives me hope. Now i have to decide whether or not to keep the Westie (delivery date 6/30), or wait an extra week to pay 2x the price for a samsung. Too many choices!

*****UPDATE*****

On the 4695D page, Samsung now lists "local store locator" under "buy from online retailer." No stores came up for me, but I think that is just because the retailers have not placed an order for a specific quantity. I take this as a sign that it will be available soon locally. (Note that this sign was only for the 4695D, not even the 4095D)

Good get.

One store popped up for me in NYC.

I should go look at the thing.

The only near term use might be to view Blu-ray or HD DVD discs using a drive on my next computer but I plan on getting a Blu-ray player anyway so that's not something that's going to deter me from buying the 4096D either.
LCD1080, thanks for the advice. I will have a PS3 (hopefully) so I have no use for Blu-Ray via computer. If I want HD cable TV I will get a box that supports HDMI, so I really have no need to connect a computer via HDMI for cable TV. Besides that, it looks like I will probably be able to get 1080p via RGB if I do occasionally want to connect my notebook to a 4096.

I'm starting to wonder if this 1080p thing is worth the extra $850-$1K. TV cable is not there yet and won't be for a while. Hell they can't even get 1080i right yet . Also Blue Ray or HD DVD will cost you another $800 plus bucks. I'm starting to lean back to the Sammy 50" plasma again since its out now , and the price is reasonable.

Just got back from BB...and asked the guy about the new samsungs. He was aware of the new lcd 1080p but wasn't sure the model. when I mentioned the model numbers he said "Yes! I remember in the newletter we get, we are getting it in the first week of July and then went on to say how sony will be coming out with one soon after that.

That's great, I would like to see the 4096D at BB before giving it the final green light. The first week of July is only 3 weeks away which I think I can manage. I briefly entertained the notion of taking a look at the Sony KDL-40XBR3 but then I saw that it's 44 inches wide which is a bit to large for my space.

I'm starting to wonder if this 1080p thing is worth the extra $850-$1K. TV cable is not there yet and won't be for a while. Hell they can't even get 1080i right yet . Also Blue Ray or HD DVD will cost you another $800 plus bucks. I'm starting to lean back to the Sammy 50" plasma again since its out now , and the price is reasonable.
The thing is that Blu-Ray won't cost anywhere near $800 bucks a year from now and the variety of 1080p movies available should increase substantially during that time. If you're planning on keeping this HD set for a while it definitely pays to think beyond what's available this year. On the other hand if you're planning on sitting 9 or 10 feet from the panel then there's not much point in getting 1080p because at that distance you won't be able to see any improvement over 1080i anyway. In that case getting the 50" plasma makes good sense.

Hi Guys some info (and a favor),

I called Samsung support (the number on their PDF) and they said it is much more likely that the 96 models are out in August/September !!! This confirms what Foto Connection and TV Authority have told me as well.

On the 95's, it seems like July seems likely for the 46 inch and no one knows about the 40 inch.

And now the favor:

just to recap, is the Cable Card slot the only major difference between the 95s and the 96s?

i cant see anything else, but i could be missing something.

DNIe is the other major one it seems. USB, Firewire, contrast ratio, component input capabilities are the others.

August/September? Then I guess I'll be getting the 95 :(

I called Samsung support (the number on their PDF) and they said it is much more likely that the 96 models are out in August/September !!! This confirms what Foto Connection and TV Authority have told me as well.
After reading what people have said in this thread I'm still optimistic that the 4096D may be out in June or July. At least we won't have to wait long to find out who is correct!

Hopefully the release date will be like Dell's shipping dates. they overestimate so people won't complain if it shows up a couple of weeks late.

DNIe is the other major one it seems. USB, Firewire, contrast ratio, component input capabilities are the others.

Sorry, but I don't get this whole DNIE thing.. Samsung plugs the benefits of DNIE throughout its website for lots of its TVs.. and we're all thinking that they'll come out with their new 1080p flagship series of LCDs, BUT, plugging the fact that they DON'T have DNIE?

How are they going to pull that one off with a straight face?

Ahh, if the 4096 is only going to accept 1080p from PCs via RGB, I should just get a Mitsubishi LT3780 for $2200 at Fry's. It already supports 1080p via RGB.

Samsung is getting the axe if this is the only way it's PC compatible:

http://www.samsung.com/images/tv_features/lcd_tv/m_pcCompatible.jpg

If anyone has the chance to confirm, try bringing a laptop with DVI output and let us know the results.

Samsung is getting the axe if this is the only way it's PC compatible:

http://www.samsung.com/images/tv_features/lcd_tv/m_pcCompatible.jpg

If anyone has the chance to confirm, try bringing a laptop with DVI output and let us know the results.

Cant you just use a DVI to HDMI cable?

Cant you just use a DVI to HDMI cable?

That hasn't been established for sure yet. Once we have some first hand reports it'll ease my mind.

If the PC is outputting 1080p60, I dont see how the TV would be able to distinguish it as a different source. I mean if it takes 1080p60 it takes it, why should it matter if its fed by a PC. I know some TVs dont allot for PC over HDMI but lots of those are 768p sets.

If the PC is outputting 1080p60, I dont see how the TV would be able to distinguish it as a different source. I mean if it takes 1080p60 it takes it, why should it matter if its fed by a PC. I know some TVs dont allot for PC over HDMI but lots of those are 768p sets.The thing that confused us was that the manual for the 5797 says that HDMI/DVI jacks do not support connection to a PC (English-page 14). Personally I think that an RGB connection on my present monitor at 1920x1080 looks great.

The thing that confused us was that the manual for the 5797 says that HDMI/DVI jacks do not support connection to a PC (English-page 14). Personally I think that an RGB connection on my present monitor at 1920x1080 looks great.
They say that so they don't have to provide tech support for it. As long as the PC is set to a resolution and refresh rate the display supports it will work just fine. A supported signal is a supported signal, no matter what kind of equipment creates it.

Sorry, but I don't get this whole DNIE thing.. Samsung plugs the benefits of DNIE throughout its website for lots of its TVs.. and we're all thinking that they'll come out with their new 1080p flagship series of LCDs, BUT, plugging the fact that they DON'T have DNIE?

How are they going to pull that one off with a straight face?


No Kidding! Samsung includes the DNIe on the 4695 and says it "dramatically improves the picture." If it's so good, why not include it on the 4696? I don't understand that. I also wonder why the 4696 has a higher contrast ratio.

I also wonder why the 4696 has a higher contrast ratio.

We don't know for sure that it does. If you use the "Compare Models" feature on Samsung's site, it shows both as having 6000:1 contrast ratios.

August/September? Then I guess I'll be getting the 95 :(

Can't be true.

I don't think the people answering the phones at samsung know a darn thing.

I think Samsung keeps them completely in the dark.

If the PC is outputting 1080p60, I dont see how the TV would be able to distinguish it as a different source. I mean if it takes 1080p60 it takes it, why should it matter if its fed by a PC.

The issue is other resolutions, like 640x480 when booting, 800x600 or 1024x768 when installing video drivers, games that don't run at 1920x1080, etc.

The issue is other resolutions, like 640x480 when booting, 800x600 or 1024x768 when installing video drivers, games that don't run at 1920x1080, etc.

Might this also be an issue for other 1080p panels (e.g. forthcoming Sharp or the Westies) that claim they allow 1080p PC connection via DVI/HDMI? It seems like we are on the bleeding edge here.

I'm starting to think the RGB connection might actually be preferable in this regard - at least it will work at multiple resolutions.

Might this also be an issue for other 1080p panels (e.g. forthcoming Sharp or the Westies) that claim they allow 1080p PC connection via DVI/HDMI? It seems like we are on the bleeding edge here.

I'm starting to think the RGB connection might actually be preferable in this regard - at least it will work at multiple resolutions.

Well my Westy 37w3 works fine with my PC at different resolutions over DVI.

Might this also be an issue for other 1080p panels (e.g. forthcoming Sharp or the Westies) that claim they allow 1080p PC connection via DVI/HDMI?

The Westy 47" manual clearly lists the PC resolutions and refresh rates that are supported on its DVI inputs.

Can't be true.

I don't think the people answering the phones at samsung know a darn thing.

I think Samsung keeps them completely in the dark.

i hope its not true, except the 2 retailers i pre-ordered from (and i spoke to their buyers and their sales people) said the same thing.

thoth and bpmurr, thanks for the info on the Westies. It seems like Westinghouse is really supporting the DVI connection.

It will be interesting to see if anyone will be able to get 1080p over DVI/HDMI on these 1080p Samsungs. From what is in the 5797 manual, it looks like Samsung does not want to support it.

i hope its not true, except the 2 retailers i pre-ordered from (and i spoke to their buyers and their sales people) said the same thing.

They said what? August - September?

Did you perhaps order from Abt?

They had no read when I spoke to them.

i hope its not true, except the 2 retailers i pre-ordered from (and i spoke to their buyers and their sales people) said the same thing.

Yeah, I called Samsung customer service to inquire about the release dates for the 4095/4096 models and all they could do was read me the ETA that popped up when they entered the model numbers into the computer, which was 6/2006 for both. Wonder if these bad boys will ever come out. Grrrr...

hey folks,

i've been reading this long thread because i'm looking to get the 4696 what with all of its cool features.

I have two separate questions:

1. How frequently is anyone going to be using a 46" tv as their computer monitor? That seems rather excessive to me.
2. In the area of 46" LCD's are there any other true contenders than the Samsung 4696? I know Sony has one, but it only has one HDMI input which seems very lame to me.

The Sony Bravia XBRs will have 3 HDMI inputs. Sharp, Mitsubishi, JVC and a number of lesser known manufacturers will also be coming out with ~46" LCDs this fall but we haven't gotten very many concrete details on those sets yet.

1. How frequently is anyone going to be using a 46" tv as their computer monitor? That seems rather excessive to me.

I don't think anyone will put a monitor this size on a computer desk to type their research papers. But I certainly will be using a dedicated HTPC for most movie and tv watching. I'm working on getting a OTA HD recording system running. I've already got 1080i and 720p content waiting to be watched, and I've got all my dvd's ripped. The computer will be used to play back everything except when watching live HDTV shows or playing PS3 games.

And at my whim I'll be able to click back to a windows desktop to browse the web, add shows to my recording schedule, search an actress on IMDB etc, and then switch back to whatever I was watching.

2. In the area of 46" LCD's are there any other true contenders than the Samsung 4696? I know Sony has one, but it only has one HDMI input which seems very lame to me.

Westinghouse 47" will be priced lower but won't be as good picture-wise. Whether equivalent Sony and Sharp models will be as good will have to be determined when they're available.

Yeah, I called Samsung customer service to inquire about the release dates for the 4095/4096 models and all they could do was read me the ETA that popped up when they entered the model numbers into the computer, which was 6/2006 for both. Wonder if these bad boys will ever come out. Grrrr...

Tell me about it.

That would be a real slap if they switched the 4096 from "Coming in June" to "Available in June" and then it's suddenly July 1 and they switch it again.

Beat!

I can deal with the delays, just not the games.

1. How frequently is anyone going to be using a 46" tv as their computer monitor?

I use my 37" monitor all the time for gaming. It originally seemed large, but not any longer, and I'm looking forward to moving up to 46" or 47".

I read, possibly in this post, about why you would not want a plasma screen to be used as a computer display (listing trouble displaying large areas of white, such as in a word document or website as a main reason)

Can it be stated that "pound-for-pound" LCD's are better than Plasma's? I mean I know there are pros and cons of each format but are there any concrete facts as to why one should purchase an LCD such as the Samsung 4696 over similarly sized Plasmas (since the plasmas would likely be half the cost)?

1. How frequently is anyone going to be using a 46" tv as their computer monitor? That seems rather excessive to me.
2. In the area of 46" LCD's are there any other true contenders than the Samsung 4696? I know Sony has one, but it only has one HDMI input which seems very lame to me.

1. I hear you. It's mostly PC gamers. As for me, I'm all over PS3 through the HDMI jack come Christmas.

2. The new 1080p Sony's coming in September will all have 3 HDMI jacks. And they are very expensive.

Can it be stated that "pound-for-pound" LCD's are better than Plasma's? I mean I know there are pros and cons of each format but are there any concrete facts as to why one should purchase an LCD such as the Samsung 4696 over similarly sized Plasmas (since the plasmas would likely be half the cost)?

Well this is probably better answered in a LCD vs. Plasma thread, but I'll try to give you my opinion as it pertains to the Samsung 96 series.

I'm currently a plasma owner myself, and i've repordered the 4096D.

The chief advantage is the plasmas run 1024 X 768 or 786,432 pixels.

The 1080p LCDs are at 1920 X 1080 or 2 million + pixels.

Then you have LCDs like the 4096D with super bright code cathode light, and you begin to understand what the buzz is about.

1. I hear you. It's mostly PC gamers. As for me, I'm all over PS3 through the HDMI jack come Christmas.



2. The new 1080p Sony's coming in September will all have 3 HDMI jacks. And they are very expensive.

As am I, I like the fact that Sony is including a Blue-Ray drive. I thought it was a mistake in the beginning since Xbox has such a huge jump on them, but I think sony will overthrow xbox because of this feature. Thinking back to the PS2, while they did release first, I think a major reason people bought it was because of the DVD player. I know I remember thinking, "Why buy a DVD player, I can get the PS2 for about the same cost and get both!" Since my wife and I love watching movies, and i've already seen ads for "coming soon to Blue-Ray" for certain movies such as the latest underworld movie, I can predict that all new releases will come out in multiple formats so bye-bye DVD.

I hope it will be possible to get a PS3 without standing in line for 48hours or something stupid. Any ideas on pre-ordering? I don't have to have it day 1, but it would be cool to be guaranteed to get one.

SO it looks like the Samsung is the way to go. All the features I want, future proof (somewhat), and less expensive than it's direct competitors

Tell me about it.

That would be a real slap if they switched the 4096 from "Coming in June" to "Available in June" and then it's suddenly July 1 and they switch it again.

Beat!

I can deal with the delays, just not the games.

Yeah, seriously the constant updates and delays and everything has taken its toll on me. I'm sure I will need counseling when this is all done (haha...).

SO it looks like the Samsung is the way to go. All the features I want, future proof (somewhat), and less expensive than it's direct competitors

I think with LCD technology the way it is now, there's no reason to buy a plasma instead. LCD tvs have higher resolution (1920x1080 LCDs are coming out from all the major players, while plasmas are stuck at 1024x768 for 42" ones still, with 1024x1080 ones coming soon, but still a lot fewer pixels than a 1920x1080 LCD), no (or at least much less) risk of burn-in (ideal for PC and video game console connections), generally have more connectivity options (especially compared to the Panasonic PDPs), and look pretty great nowadays, with good contrast and black levels, no blurring with fast response times, and much improved color. Take into account all of that, and I can't see why anyone would opt for a plasma over an LCD, except that plasmas are more suited for mounting on your wall (generally no speakers mounted).

I'm wondering how the scaler circuit on the 4096D compares with the HQV scaler in the 42" Olevia Signature LCD which is due in August:
http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CEStechnology/SiliconOptixRealta.php
http://secure.syntaxgroups.com/news/pdf/Product_HOMETOYS.pdf

So far I haven't read anything about whether the 4096D has an upgraded scaler compared to the 4092D.

Any word on HDMI 1.3, hmmm. If samsung includes this I would doubt a release in the next month. :(

i am looking to buy a tv at the end of the summer. i decided on the samsung HP-S5053. i was set on that till i saw LN-S4696D. iv been doing a tone of research of plasmas vs lcds and i still dont know which of the i will buy. price really isn't an issue. what would you guys go for?!

i am looking to buy a tv at the end of the summer. i decided on the samsung HP-S5053. i was set on that till i saw LN-S4696D. iv been doing a tone of research of plasmas vs lcds and i still dont know which of the i will buy. price really isn't an issue. what would you guys go for?!
Both excellent Tech but the way to answer this for yourself is what are your viewing conditions/environ?

Sunny room without light control during the day and LCD RULES as it's a Sun fighter and has nearly no glare. Panasonic site even informs folks this is the area where LCD Wins.

Reflections being see in the panel? Drove me nuts but if you have controlled lighting not a problem or if you are moving from an already reflective tech you may not notice or realize LCD FP has ZERO! I had a Xmas Tree next to mine and not a single bulb shine/reflected on the screen.

Though Burn-in and IR and TIR has been mostly resolved it's still reported. I go to sleep viewing my LCD and I do not worry about those issues and never witnessed them having owned 3 LCD FP's. Peace of Mind and no friggin break-in rules to follow is nice.

To my eyes a good LCD has a view into look whereas a PDP is reflecting a 2D image. Just my preferences and angle and besides I've never had a single issue with any LCD's I own.

However, if you prefer Plasma GO FOR IT! You still get the better deal per inch of viewing acreage. They are both excellent panels from what I've observed and my bias is based upon owning LCD Fp's and gotten used to them and then tried a PDP and could not tolerate it in my viewing conditions but test it for yourself by observing what you watch presently on the existing TV - the Sun can wash out a plasma if it streams into the room while it has very little effect on an LCD. No Sun, No windows, full blinds control or basement then PDP may win for you. :)

i am looking to buy a tv at the end of the summer. i decided on the samsung HP-S5053. i was set on that till i saw LN-S4696D. iv been doing a tone of research of plasmas vs lcds and i still dont know which of the i will buy. price really isn't an issue. what would you guys go for?!

Join the club! You have no idea how many times I "decided" on a particular brand and technology only to delve further in this forum and change my mind. But wait... it goes deeper. I bought 4 new HDTVS in the last 3 months (Best Buy must be very unhappy with me). It seems the more knowledgeable I get the more critical I become. I currently own a Panasonic 42PX60U but I am really unhappy with the resolution (1024X768) especially for XBOX 360 (there IS a difference when compared to a "true" 720P set). I am now hot for the LN-S4696D 1080P Samsung but I'll have to give it a while and let my rampant, manic thoughts cool before I do anything rash. :) That would be my advice. Settle in real good, read a lot and be willing to wait awhile for reviews, opinions, and a bit of testing on your own.

Yeah, seriously the constant updates and delays and everything has taken its toll on me. I'm sure I will need counseling when this is all done (haha...).

LOL!

Well, if it does come in June, I'm gonna give the thing a big hug. ;)

If it's delayed, I might need to go with the 95 series.

I'm new to this audio/video game, i'm more a computer guy, but is there a place such as (not sure if this will get bleeped) tom's hardware which reviews cutting edge A/V stuff? I mean, are there professional reviews of the Samsung 4696? It would seem if this were computer gear, there would be a review up on Tom's Hardware.

LOL!

Well, if it does come in June, I'm gonna give the thing a big hug. ;)

If it's delayed, I might need to go with the 95 series.

I've become completely obssessed with LCD tvs, so the sooner I finally get one to keep, the better for my life. ;)

The 95 looks pretty good, and if the price difference with the 96 is significant, I would be hard pressed to choose it over the 95.

I've become completely obssessed with LCD tvs, so the sooner I finally get one to keep, the better for my life. ;)

The 95 looks pretty good, and if the price difference with the 96 is significant, I would be hard pressed to choose it over the 95.


What are the main differences between the Samsung LN-S4695D and the Samsung LN-S4696D?

Sorry if this was posted earlier

the 95 has a 6000:1 the 96 has 7000:1 contrast ratio. im not sure of any other differences.

What are the main differences between the Samsung LN-S4695D and the Samsung LN-S4696D?

Sorry if this was posted earlier


the 95 has a 6000:1 the 96 has 7000:1 contrast ratio. im not sure of any other differences.

What are the main differences between the Samsung LN-S4695D and the Samsung LN-S4696D?

Sorry if this was posted earlier

just click back a couple pages on this thread and you'll see it.

i think they were:

96 has firewire
96 has a cable card
96 has a higher contrast ratio
96 has no DNIe
and a couple others

If you haven't seen the screenshot of the Ferrari on Samsung's new 5797D check out post #38 in the following thread. The PQ looks very good to me:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7825059#post7825059

Since the 5797D and 4096D are both from the Samsung's new generation of LCDs with essentially the same specs I'm fairly optimistic that the 4096D will display improved PQ over that of its predecesors.

I'm wondering how the scaler circuit on the 4096D compares with the HQV scaler in the 42" Olevia Signature LCD which is due in August:
http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CEStechnology/SiliconOptixRealta.php
http://secure.syntaxgroups.com/news/pdf/Product_HOMETOYS.pdf

So far I haven't read anything about whether the 4096D has an upgraded scaler compared to the 4092D.

Keep us up on this.

The 96 had darn well better have an uptick to the scaler over the 92.

Talked to datavision today only "local store" that I could find listing 4695 "in stock" according to Samsung Website. They did not have it in stock but stated not more than 10 days as I heard also from BB in La Puente California. He stated expected at 3199 but as BB said, don't quote him on that.

Seth

By the way what is problem with DNIE ? Does it degrade pq?

Thanks.

just click back a couple pages on this thread and you'll see it.

i think they were:

96 has firewire
96 has a cable card
96 has a higher contrast ratio
96 has no DNIe
and a couple others


what exactly is DNIe...and why would the 4692 have it and not the 96 model??

Talked to datavision today only "local store" that I could find listing 4695 "in stock" according to Samsung Website. They did not have it in stock but stated not more than 10 days as I heard also from BB in La Puente California. He stated expected at 3199 but as BB said, don't quote him on that.

Seth

By the way what is problem with DNIE ? Does it degrade pq?

Thanks.

Typical.... it's not in stock when they claim it is. :rolleyes:

Datavision is only a short walk from my office. I'll call them next week and get a peek at the thing and report back.

what exactly is DNIe...and why would the 4692 have it and not the 96 model??

From the samsung website:
DNIe™
Samsung's revolutionary DNle™ technology offers digital perfection in naturally presented, crystal-clear images that uncover even the most minute detail.


It is a feature they use to enhance the contrast of the image beyond what it actually is. It looks good for about five minutes when viewing the tv in the store, but I think it just over does everything (light, color, contrast, saturation, etc.) making the image slightly over-done and fake, imho.

any one know how much 4696 will cost? and will the price difference between the 4695 vs 4696 be worth the extra cash?

first post:
"LN-S4696D ($4,799 MSRP) and the 40” LN-S4096D ($3,699 MSRP)"

any one know how much 4696 will cost? and will the price difference between the 4695 vs 4696 be worth the extra cash?

I've seen a MSRP of $5200 for the 4696, not sure about the 4695, but it's probably about $1000 less. The street price will obviously be much lower, retailers will have a lot of wiggle room. Who knows if it will be worth it for the 96 version, you'd have to see em yourself.

UPDATE: 6/14

The 4695D is now listed as being at Datavision, B & H , and PC Richard when I use the Samsung zip cose search.

I called PC Richard, and they get the 4695D in on June 23rd, which is a Friday. He said they'd have it up and running by Monday the 26th, so I'll report to the forum on Monday how it looks.

The dude tried to pitch me an older model over the phone, but cut himself off and said "Woah, this new one is 1080p, you're not gonna want the older one!" I was mildly impressed.

The 4095D he said was coming in a few weeks at [EDIT].

No sign of the 96 Series at all on his computer.

(edit) Sorry Woodrow. I just got caught up...

So the 4695D is about to flood the marketplace, and the 4095D is right behind it.

As for the 96-series, which is still being advertised as Available in June on the Samsung site, I don't see as possibly coming in June, so I predict they have to make that Available in July in the next couple weeks.

That, or Samsung is going to roll out the 96-series the last week of June??? No way.

I'm sure they'd want to test the reception in the marketplace on the 95 before trotting out the 96, right?

Lemmie tell ya this, the customers of PC Richard are not accustomed to seeing $3000+ and $4000+ TVs. I'd say they've gotten pretty used to falling prices, and now there's a sudden spike.

They'd have to have someone pretty discerning, who understands the 1080p advantages.

I'm thinking this is going to be an interesting rollout!

I thought LCDs were supposed to be better than plasmas? Pioneer is comming out with 50inch 1080p plasma with the same specs as samsungs 4696 (other than size). That pioneer will be 10,000 while 4696 somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000.

Come June 25, we'll be able to see 4695 along with P1000. They're both 'shiny' blacked unfortunately.

why dont you wait for 4696

I thought LCDs were supposed to be better than plasmas? Pioneer is comming out with 50inch 1080p plasma with the same specs as samsungs 4696 (other than size). That pioneer will be 10,000 while 4696 somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000.
The Pio 1080P is double the money - do you think that may be a huge factor. :cool:

They each have their strong points depending on one's viewing environment and personal preference.

Do you mind seeing reflections and glare or the Sun washing out a plasma? You won't see this on an LCD - I prefer nothing but PQ not the adjoining scenery of my room or outside the windows. Here's a comparison from an NEC/Mitsubishi White Paper and of course some of the figures are now outdated as LCD is moving very fast in spec's they just need to move the bar on price. :)

http://www.hometheaterpeople.com/flatpanel/lcd-vs-plasma.asp

http://cms.3m.com/cms/US/en/2-136/cuFclFV/view.jhtml

Reflections being see in the panel? Drove me nuts but if you have controlled lighting not a problem or if you are moving from an already reflective tech you may not notice or realize LCD FP has ZERO! I had a Xmas Tree next to mine and not a single bulb shine/reflected on the screen.



LOL! You're making me pretty psyched!

I have major reflection issues with my current 1st generation plasma. I have to move around on the couch to move the reflection off the screen.

Then my 5 year old wants to join me and he gets the crappy part of the couch and says "I can't see." It's a mess.

So if the 4095/4096 (still undecided due to timing) cut the glare out, it's a huge win for me. :)

Come June 25, we'll be able to see 4695 along with P1000. They're both 'shiny' blacked unfortunately.

I'll let the forum know Monday the 26th about this shiny bezel issue.

I'm putting mine in a cabinet I'm making, so I don't really care much, but there's confusion over whether the bezel is high shine or satin.

why dont you wait for 4696

I may.

My wife and kids are away for July and August, and I'm going to sink the LCD in our livingroom wall, so we're talking about sheetrock dust, cutting metal studs, a real mess.

I have to get the project done before the end of August.

I can't start cutting the wall, framing it out or building the cabinet that holds the TV until I actually have the TV in my posession.

I don't know how much extra space behind the TV the wires need, how much extra room is needed to reach the side connections on the TV etc.....

So, I really need the TV in my hands in July. The sooner the better.

LOL! You're making me pretty psyched!

I have major reflection issues with my current 1st generation plasma. I have to move around on the couch to move the reflection off the screen.

Then my 5 year old wants to join me and he gets the crappy part of the couch and says "I can't see." It's a mess.

So if the 4095/4096 (still undecided due to timing) cut the glare out, it's a huge win for me. :)

If the 4095/4096 have the same anti-reflective coating as the 4092, we are set. You will not have any reflection issues. I have reflection issues on my HD CRT and I will not buy another TV with this issue. To me, it is a major factor and a major improvement with these new LCDs. When I looked at the 4092 and even the 4051, I was just amazed by how clearly the image came through. Your kids will be happy!

I'm still concerned about the lack of DVI on this panel. I have 3 DVI sources, and no HDMI so if DVI->HDMI adapters don't work on this panel it's a showstopper for me. I got an email response from Samsung regarding this:

According to our data our new LCD's will only support a PC through the D-Sub input. If you have further questions please contact us via email or phone at 1-800-726-7864.

Sincerely Samsung

That lines right up with what they have in their FAQ (http://erms.samsungusa.com/customer/sea/jsp/faqs/print.jsp?AT_ID=62950)

And people in one of the other Samsung threads mention problems with DVI sources, color bleeding etc, it works for some of them though. Anybody heard of other situations where an HDMI display won't work with a DVI adapter?

What kind of processing will these sets offer. I hope it compares to sonys new one coming in the Xbr2/3

The only reference I see to the processing is the line that mentions a "10 bit processor" in this product description:
http://211.45.27.232/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS4096DXXAA.asp

the 4696 is going to be too awesome!!

If the 4095/4096 have the same anti-reflective coating as the 4092, we are set.

I'd imagine it's as good or better.

3M and Corning are making constant changes and improvements to these AR coatings. I read that the newest 3M film is 300 layers thick. Totally wild.

Just keep the windex away. :eek:

What kind of processing will these sets offer. I hope it compares to sonys new one coming in the Xbr2/3

10 bit, 21 billion color.

As for scaling, the 95 & 96 series will have the latest scalers, but vs. Sony's Xbr3? I'll wager the Sony will have a little edge.

But when it comes to a 1080p signal, I'd think the sets would be on par.

I'm still concerned about the lack of DVI on this panel. I have 3 DVI sources, and no HDMI so if DVI->HDMI adapters don't work on this panel it's a showstopper for me.

Couldn't you use a DVI -> D-Sub adapter? I understand that this would be a downgrade in quality, but wouldn't this way work?

are the 96/95 in stores yet? if not when can we expect to see them.

Ps is it confirmed that these lcds can take a pc input over hdmi. ie if i did a dvi to hdmi link up would i get 1:1 mapping at 1920x1080.

yes... bb has the 96 on their site "coming soon", pricey though

are the 96/95 in stores yet? if not when can we expect to see them.



I posted a little ways back that 3 dealers in NYC will have the 4695D arriving next weekend.

The crummy PC Richards near my apartment said the set will be on display by Monday the 26th.

I stopped by there last night, and a salesman pointed to a blank area on the wall and said "We just made room for the 4695D right there."

I mentioned the wires coming out of the wall were component, not HDMI. The store had a SD NY Mets baseball game on all the TVs.

He said they don't have HDMI playing into any of the TVs, though he did seem to understand the Samsung DVD players stacked next to us had upscaling capability.

I'm not all that sure I'll see a major differance when I go see the set on the 26th if all they are doing is pumping in an SD signal at the time.

If I were PC Richard, I'd have a nice super-bit DVD on via HDMI on one of those Samsung upscaling DVD players. That and/or PBS playing on cable via HDMI.

But alas, if the dudes in the store want to watch the Mets game, the people in there looking to buy a TV are just incidental. :rolleyes:

yes... bb has the 96 on their site "coming soon", pricey though

I can't find it on the BB site.

Got a linky?

I saw a retail link on-line that rated the 4096D's HD picture quality as 9.7 and ED picture quality as 9.3. I thought that was very good considering that they rated the Westy LVM-42W2 at 9.4 for HD PQ and 9.0 for ED PQ. For comparison with another Samsung they rated the 4092D as 9.3 for HD and 9.1 for ED PQ.

But alas, if the dudes in the store want to watch the Mets game, the people in there looking to buy a TV are just incidental. :rolleyes:

You mean they can't change the channel to an HD station at PC Richards?

are the 96/95 in stores yet? if not when can we expect to see them.

Ps is it confirmed that these lcds can take a pc input over hdmi. ie if i did a dvi to hdmi link up would i get 1:1 mapping at 1920x1080.

I haven't seen it "confirmed," but there is no reason that you wouldn't.

Unlike 1366x768/60, 1920x1080/60 is in the HDMI spec. It is that specific lack of support that makes 1:1 mapping impossible over HDMI with 720p LCDs and plasmas (panel resolution is not supported by the spec). Because the panel's native resolution is supported by the HDMI spec (1080p60), there is no reason that the display wouldn't accept the signal from a PC that is properly outputting. This is in fact why a number of card manufacturers are adding HDMI outputs. It ain't for 720p.

Sorry it was american electronics... I troll too many electronics stores

[EDIT]

and

[EDIT]

You mean they can't change the channel to an HD station at PC Richards?

Nah, I bet they can.

However, it's coming in over component as nothing in the store is wired with HDMI.

Best I can hope for on the 26th is to ask them to put on PBS and hope it's a hi def show.

Sorry it was american electronics... I troll too many electronics stores



Okay, thanks!

Okay, thanks!
why don't you tell them to hook up a samsung blu-ray player and run it in 1080p, that would sell it to you fast :rolleyes:

I wonder if they have an error on the Code? There is no 57" Samsung on Samsung's website in the 96 series the last I looked it was LNS-5797.

I hope it's correct as well since the price is easily the lowest I've seen versus MSRP. I 'm not familiar with this dealer will have to research further but I'm hoping it's real. :)

American TV is legit. They have a bunch of B&M stores in Wisconsin, Illinois, etc. I can't vouch for their online shopping policies but they have been in the biz for decades and are a pretty big independent player in the Midwest.

Not sure what's up with the code or the price though. Sounds too good to be true.

Yeah AE is all around St. Louis. And they are as reputable as BB or CC to everyone out here. Cant wait to see it in action. Although I'm sure I will drool.

I wonder if they have an error on the Code? There is no 57" Samsung on Samsung's website in the 96 series the last I looked it was LNS-5797. I hope it's correct as well since the price is easily the lowest I've seen versus MSRP. :)

And what's more AE is showing an estimated "In stock" date of 01-July for the 4096. That's two weeks from tomorrow! :cool:

And what's more AE is showing an estimated "In stock" date of 01-July for the 4096. That's two weeks from tomorrow! :cool:

Woo-Hoo, good get, I missed that.

And what's more AE is showing an estimated "In stock" date of 01-July for the 4096. That's two weeks from tomorrow! :cool:Woo-Hoo, good get, I missed that.
It kind of makes sense that Samsung would synchronize their first 1080p Blu-Ray DVD player on June 25 with the 4096D 1080p LCD just a week later. It just wouldn't do for their customers to have to play those shiny new 1080p DVDs on a Westy LVM-42W2 ;)

It kind of makes sense that Samsung would synchronize their first 1080p Blu-Ray DVD player on June 25 with the 4096D 1080p LCD just a week later. It just wouldn't do for their customers to have to play those shiny new 1080p DVDs on a Westy LVM-42W2 ;)

LOL!

I'm getting my buddy's sawz-all ready for the install.

I'm away the week of the 4th of July, so I'm hoping Abt gets it in and I can coordinate shipping it so it arrives like the 8th.

Samsung's site keeps saying available in June.

For any of you who have read that the Samsung Blu-ray player will be delayed until September, it will only be for the UK, not the US. So, the TV launch with the player still seems possible.

Jared

Woo-Hoo, good get, I missed that.

Has anyone shopped at American Electronics? Do they have extended warranty deals?

That price is not too bad, and is closer to MSRP. :cool:

Hey guys i just went to bb here in OKC and asked about the 4095d and the guy said he had one in the back and that it would be on display tomorrow the 18th. I also could've bought it but want to see it first hand before doing so.

That's great TMNT. You inspired me to do a Google search and for the first time I'm seeing prices and dimensions for the 4095D. I know we can't mention dollar values but I will say that they were better priced than I had expected. As for the dimensions I saw 39.1" wide which is about a half inch narrower than the 4092D. The weight is shown as 54 pounds which is a little more than 6 pounds lighter than the 4092D. Since I plan on rolling the panel around on a Salamander cart lighter is good.
http://www.salamanderdesigns.com/archetype/gal_video.jsp?image=gal_tv35chry2
OMG I have to visit BB tomorrow!

Here's a screenshot of American Electronic's website with the 4096/4696/5796 and all their prices.

Any word from BB on the 4695d?

4095 is up on the BB web site.

why don't you tell them to hook up a samsung blu-ray player and run it in 1080p, that would sell it to you fast :rolleyes:

That would be too smart a move for PC Richards. ;)

Has anyone shopped at American Electronics? Do they have extended warranty deals?

That price is not too bad, and is closer to MSRP. :cool:

For which TV?

I got a better pre-order price from Abt in Chicago for the 4096, free shipping no tax.

Private mail me and I'll let you know.

However the number was a combination of 023,0.

LOL, is that allowed? :D

Hey guys i just went to bb here in OKC and asked about the 4095d and the guy said he had one in the back and that it would be on display tomorrow the 18th. I also could've bought it but want to see it first hand before doing so.

Yep, it's any day now.

As for the dimensions I saw 39.1" wide which is about a half inch narrower than the 4092D. The weight is shown as 54 pounds which is a little more than 6 pounds lighter than the 4092D.

They keep chopping more off the bezel, which is great.

I'm sitting here watching Japan v. Croatia on my first generation Sony plassy and the bezel is huge.

Here's a screenshot of American Electronic's website with the 4096/4696/5796 and all their prices.

In a word, expensive.

These guys are not cheap.

Any word from BB on the 4695d?

In stores in a matter of days.

Challenge is: they need a top notch signal to it.

Problem is: if they do that, all the other TVs will look like a$$. ;)

In stores in a matter of days.

Challenge is: they need a top notch signal to it.

Problem is: if they do that, all the other TVs will look like a$$. ;)

I'm sure it'll be coming with its own 1080p loop. Sony and Samsung both do this now. Every 1080p Samsung DLP I've seen is connected to its own little hdd with 1080p content on it. I imagine the new 1080p LCDs will be no different.

For which TV?

I got a better pre-order price from Abt in Chicago for the 4096, free shipping no tax.

Private mail me and I'll let you know.

However the number was a combination of 023,0.

LOL, is that allowed? :D

lol... even at the most expensive permutation that's an awesome price! Very very nice, for the 4096 no less.

They keep chopping more off the bezel, which is great. I'm sitting here watching Japan v. Croatia on my first generation Sony plassy and the bezel is huge. Yup, that's why I chose not to wait for the Sony KDL-40XBR3 (their new 1080P LCD due in Sept). The Sony is 44 inches wide (5 inches wider than the Samsung 4095/4096) and about 26 pounds heavier. I want to put the television on a rolling stand so that I can bring it close enough for me to fully resolve all 1080 lines. Then when I'm done I can roll it back to an inconspicuous location against the wall. I'd rather do that with something that weighs 54 pounds rather than 80 pounds. Now the only question is whether to pull the trigger on the 4095 at BB or wait for the 4096. Right now none of the extra features on the 4096 seem all that critical but it's crunch time so we have to think about that in a final sense.

4095 is up on the BB web site.

I checked the "delivery availability" for the 4095 at BB and it shows:

Based on delivery to ZIP code 11231, the first 7 available dates for Samsung - 40" 1080p LCD HDTV are:

Saturday, June 24
Sunday, June 25
Monday, June 26
Tuesday, June 27
Wednesday, June 28
Thursday, June 29
Friday, June 30

Looks like June 24 is the day then, at least based on the website. The pictures show the 4095 to have a non-glossy appearing bezel.

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/7843/7843854_ra.jpg

Only appears unglosssy, but it is.

I just called BB and they have the 4095 (but not the 4695) in the one near my house, but they only have 1. They are not going to put it on display because then they would have none to sell if someone liked it. Now the wait for the TV is ending. The wait for an adequate supply is beginning. (Geez, is this a game console?)

I just called BB and they have the 4095 (but not the 4695) in the one near my house, but they only have 1. They are not going to put it on display because then they would have none to sell if someone liked it. Now the wait for the TV is ending. The wait for an adequate supply is beginning. (Geez, is this a game console?)

I was hoping the price would be a little lower than what BB is selling it for. I pre-ordered the new Sharp 37D90U (again) today due to price considerations, but I'm still eager to see how good the 4095/4096 will be.

I just called BB and they have the 4095 (but not the 4695) in the one near my house, but they only have 1. They are not going to put it on display because then they would have none to sell if someone liked it. Now the wait for the TV is ending. The wait for an adequate supply is beginning. (Geez, is this a game console?)The same thing happened when I went to BB last week. They had 1 of the Samsung 5797's in their stock room but none on display. A poster in another thread said that he had found a BB in OKC with just 1 4095 in the stock room. I guess I'll postpone my visit to BB for a few more days.

Any have a link to BB, I cant find it. Its not in the TV section, and it doesnt come in in searches.

Any have a link to BB, I cant find it. Its not in the TV section, and it doesnt come in in searches.
They'll get on my case if I post a retail link but just go to BB and press the "Electronics", "Televisions", "Flat-Panel" and "40 inch and above" buttons in that sequence. Then go to page 2 and the 4095 will be on the middle of the page.

Just called BB in Orlando, FL and the rep said that he had the 4095 and Samsung Blu-Ray Player coming in a few days. The price of the 4095 was [EDIT]. I didn't ask about the Blu-Ray player though(probably $999). He also said that they were going to use the 4095 to show off the new Blu-Ray player. I better stay away from BB or I'll end up buying them both.

Ok guys i just went to BB today and they had the 4095d on display problem is they did not have it on. The guy at the store told me they were not supposed to have it on display but did anyways. They did not have any video or pics showing on it however. This was because it was hooked up to the Samsung Blu-ray player (Via HDMI, I know WOW! haha). He sais they could not show a movie because the had not had a sample disc just the copy of terminator in the back. He could not play it cause the movies aren't supposed to come out yet. The tv's cosmetics do however look very nice it is black and a little glossy (it looks less glossy then the current samsungs). Anyways just thought you guys would like to know.

Good preliminary info TMNT. Aren't the Blu-Ray movies scheduled to be released on June 20 (the day after tomorrow)? In that case hopefully you can see it in action on Tuesday. The most advanced LCD (the 4095D) teamed up with the most advanced DVD player (Blu-Ray) playing the most advanced format of DVD (1080p)-- that's quite a combination!

I know its early but does anyone have a prediction of SD quality on the 4095 vs the 4092 (most likely will use HDMI and an HD receiver from DishNetwork)?

Its not a deal-breaker if its worse but at my viewing distance I'm not sure about the extra jack for 1080p...

What id like to know is what scaling process it uses. I mean im assuming not as good of one as the 96. They seem to feel that this information is uneeded.

I went by an American Electronics today to check on the LN-S4696d.

They do not have an arrival date yet.

However, their price is very comparable to online realtors as well as Abt Electronics

In a word, expensive.

These guys are not cheap.

I know its early but does anyone have a prediction of SD quality on the 4095 vs the 4092...Its not a deal-breaker if its worse but at my viewing distance I'm not sure about the extra jack for 1080p... Plasmacity is showing the 4092's ED picture quality at 9.0 compared with 9.3 for the 4096 (the picture quality is shown as 9.0 for ED on the Westy LVM-42W2). For a 40" screen with 1080P the ideal viewing distance is 5 feet, however I believe that even if one were to sit 7 feet away that 1080P may offer PQ advantages over 720P. To verify that I'm looking forward to seeing how the Blu-Ray discs look within that distance range next week at BB.

the best buy near me in lewisville, texas has a magnolia in it and they had a 5797 hooked up to a working blueray and it looked incredible. I was talking to one of the employees and he said that they had a static image on it for t 10 hours before I got there and they didnt notice any burn in, like the manual warned about. I guess it was just cya. If i can get the 4095 for around 2300 I am probably going to get it.

The release date for the 4095/4096 is all starting to make sense now. I mean here you have 2 of the 3 most powerful developments in HD technology all set for debut in the June 20 to June 25 time period. They are of course the Blu-Ray DVD player and the 1080P disc itself. The third part that complements the first two is the first high end 1080P LCD priced in the $3K to $3.5K range, namely the 4095D/4096D. It only makes sense to roll all 3 out at the same time and thereby make the biggest marketing splash in HD history. I think the people who put this schedule together have really done a good job for Samsung and Blu-Ray.

I wouldn't put too much stock in Plasmacity's rating. They really don't give any indication of where they got their ratings from (are they based on specs, the press releases or evaluating the set in person.) I doubt very much they evaluated the sets in person when none of the A/V magazines have gotten their hands on one yet. And how does one rate the Reliability of a set that hasn't even come out yet? Also, I don't now if anyone else noticed but their definition of ED is wrong. ED is 480p, standard definition is 480i. They are definitely not the same thing. If they can't even get a basic definition like that right, how are we supposed to take their Review seriously? I didn't mean to make this post a Plasmacity bashing, they may be a very good etailer, I'm just trying to point out that their Ratings probably aren't a good evaluation of the sets.

Last month Samsung put on a demonstration of their new LCDs at the Hudson Hotel in NYC. I think that it is possible to base a PQ rating according to that experience. CNET viewed the 4096D and was favorably impressed. http://www.cnet.com/4531-10921_1-6530582.html?tag=blog

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There are lots of different MSRPs floating around.. I don't think anyone knows what the real ones are..

Has Samsung even yet announced/had a press release that there are 4095 and 4695 models coming? Website shows them but there's no MSRPs shown for anything on Samsung's site.

I'm sure it'll be coming with its own 1080p loop. Sony and Samsung both do this now. Every 1080p Samsung DLP I've seen is connected to its own little hdd with 1080p content on it. I imagine the new 1080p LCDs will be no different.

I hope so.

The PC Richard near my apartment had ALL the TVs playing the Mets game, I didn't see any dedicated signals anywhere.

edit: Hi Yoda1. I was wrong, you're right. It sounds like Samsung has basically given marching orders that the 4095D is to be displayed playing blu-ray via HDMI with a special demo disc playing.

Gawd, I hope that's how the PC Richard near me has it rigged up.

Now the only question is whether to pull the trigger on the 4095 at BB or wait for the 4096. Right now none of the extra features on the 4096 seem all that critical but it's crunch time so we have to think about that in a final sense.

I hear you.

For me it's purely a function of when the 4096 is due out.

But if I see the 4095 at legit dealers with good pricing competition, then I'll cancel the pre-order on the 96 if smell delay.

The release date for the 4095/4096 is all starting to make sense now. I mean here you have 2 of the 3 most powerful developments in HD technology all set for debut in the June 20 to June 25 time period. They are of course the Blu-Ray DVD player and the 1080P disc itself. The third part that complements the first two is the first high end 1080P LCD priced in the $3K to $3.5K range, namely the 4095D/4096D. It only makes sense to roll all 3 out at the same time and thereby make the biggest marketing splash in HD history. I think the people who put this schedule together have really done a good job for Samsung and Blu-Ray.

Okay, I'm wigging out now. :eek:

Evidently the 4095D shipped to Samsung dealers with a blu-ray demo disc.

LOL, it's going to run laps around everything else in the stores.

But alas, when does the 96 ship?

Okay, I'm wigging out now. :eek:

Evidently the 4095D shipped to Samsung dealers with a blu-ray demo disc.

LOL, it's going to run laps around everything else in the stores.

But alas, when does the 96 ship?

this is great news. are we confirmed that the only major difference is the cable card slot and DNIE? i dont think that is worth the delay and extra price

But alas, when does the 96 ship?

I don't know for sure, but the SKU is in distributor's systems, so it's gotta be Real Soon Now(tm).

this is great news. are we confirmed that the only major difference is the cable card slot and DNIE? i dont think that is worth the delay and extra price

I don't know.

The first thing I'm going to do when I see the 4095D on display is see if DNIe can be toggled on and off.

I don't know for sure, but the SKU is in distributor's systems, so it's gotta be Real Soon Now(tm).

Thanks Falser

Samsung just put up a manual for the 4095 (the Quick Guide). It doesn't look like DNIe can be turned off. They provide the same "Demo Mode" as in the 4092. In that mode half the screen appears with DNIe and the other half without it. It's explained under the "On-Screen Display" tab.

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/EM/200606/20060617125509656/EN/main.htm

EDIT: DNIe can be turned on and off on the 4095 according to several posters who saw the panel at BB.

Samsung just put up a manual for the 4095 (the Quick Guide). It doesn't look like DNIe can be turned off. They provide the same "Demo Mode" as in the 4092. In that mode half the screen appears with DNIe and the other half without it. It's explained under the "On-Screen Display" tab.

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/EM/200606/20060617125509656/EN/main.htm

Good info.

So was there any confirmation that the 4096D will not have DNIe ? I mean, it's been said here, but do we feel that's good info?

I just came from the local Best Buy, and these guys are clueless. The place is a mess, they new nothing about the Samsung 1080p sets. I swear, is it just Manhattan? These stores are totally mismanaged.

The most impressive thing there was the 1080p Westy, running a demo disc that split the TVs screen in half and showed the picture quality differance between the SD and HD pictures.

I told the salesman the Samsung 1080ps would have a similiar set-up, but I heard it was a Blu-Ray rig. He said "No, blu-ray isn't coming until the 30th."

Oh brother.

It doesn't look like DNIe can be turned off.

"The DNIe function is not supported in the Movie mode. (It is inactivated.)"

So DNIe can only be turned off in Movie Mode.

What about the 96? :o

Samsung just put up a manual for the 4095 (the Quick Guide). It doesn't look like DNIe can be turned off. They provide the same "Demo Mode" as in the 4092. In that mode half the screen appears with DNIe and the other half without it. It's explained under the "On-Screen Display" tab.



It looks to me like it can be turned off and it is definitely not on in movie mode. The following is taken from the "on-screen display" tab:

DNIe (Digital Natural Image engine)

This TV includes the DNIe function so as to provide a high visual quality. If you set DNIe to on, you can view the screen with the DNIe feature activated. If you set the DNIe to Demo, you can view the applied DNIe and normal pictures on the screen, for demonstration purposes. Using this function, you can view the difference in the visual quality.
DNIeTM (Digital Natural Image engine)
This feature brings you a more detailed image with 3D noise reduction and detail, contrast and white enhancement.
This function doesn’t work when the Input Source is PC.
The DNIe function is not supported in the Movie mode. (It is inactivated.)

Now that I re-read the language in the quick guide for the 4095 I think that you might be right. The language is clearly different than what is used in the quick guide for the 4092. In the 4092's guide there is no mention of "If you set DNIe to on...". That implies that it is possible to turn dNIE off on the 4095. On the other hand perhaps they mean if you turn DNIe on after you have entered the Demo mode. I think that the latter is less likely though. Hopefully BB will have a working model of the 4095 later this week so that we can find the definite answer.

It sounds like the 4095 can NOT turn DNIe off. The options quoted from the on screen menu description just say "if you turn it ON......and if you set it to Demo...."

Those are the same two options DNIe has almost always had..either ON or Demo..but no OFF. I'm betting it cannot be manually turned off (other that Movie/PC mode).

So was there any confirmation that the 4096D will not have DNIe ? I mean, it's been said here, but do we feel that's good info?
It's hard to imagine that the 4096 doesn't have DNIe because if that's the case then what would have replaced it? In any event I'm back pedaling on whether dNIE can be turned off on the 4095. At this point I would say that the manual is inconclusive on that point.

Good info.

So was there any confirmation that the 4096D will not have DNIe ? I mean, it's been said here, but do we feel that's good info?

I just came from the local Best Buy, and these guys are clueless. The place is a mess, they new nothing about the Samsung 1080p sets. I swear, is it just Manhattan? These stores are totally mismanaged.

The most impressive thing there was the 1080p Westy, running a demo disc that split the TVs screen in half and showed the picture quality differance between the SD and HD pictures.

I told the salesman the Samsung 1080ps would have a similiar set-up, but I heard it was a Blu-Ray rig. He said "No, blu-ray isn't coming until the 30th."

Oh brother.

Which BB are you referring to? They are a mess indeed but the one on Broadway-Houston has the P1000 already on the shelf and their system shows 4095 (not 4695) coming soon.

it looks like you can turn dnie off and on in the menus like the samsung 5797D.

also you can put 1920x1080 threw pc input

Mugen do you have an idea of what might account for the 4095D weighing 26 pounds less than the Sony KDL 40XBR3? 26 pounds is a lot of something! I've been puzzling over since yesterday. (the 4095D weighs 54 pounds and the KDL 40XBR3 weighs 80 pounds).

Glass

I thought I read that the glass on the XBR3 doesn't cover the entire screen but instead encircles the bezel. If that is the case then we're talking one heavy piece of glass with a gigantic hole in the middle!

Which BB are you referring to? They are a mess indeed but the one on Broadway-Houston has the P1000 already on the shelf and their system shows 4095 (not 4695) coming soon.

I was in the BB at 23rd and 6th Avenue.

It's hardly a Swiss watch. ;)

I can easily hit the one at Houston and B'Way. Is that well run?

Glass

But through the Samsung / Sony joint-venture, Sony is sourcing the glass through Samsung fabs.

Mugen do you have an idea of what might account for the 4095D weighing 26 pounds less than the Sony KDL 40XBR3? 26 pounds is a lot of something! I've been puzzling over since yesterday. (the 4095D weighs 54 pounds and the KDL 40XBR3 weighs 80 pounds).
the 4595d weights 77.2 pounds and the 46xbr2/3 weights 90 pounds. 12.8 pound difference. side mounted speakers, amplifiers, glass with metal around it and a table top stand can add up.

I just got back from the Best Buy in Toledo, OH where they just put out the 4095. They connected it to a Samsung BD-P1000 over HDMI and were playing Revenge of the Sith. The display stated the signal was at 1080i@60Hz and the picture looked decent, though it obviously needed to be callibrated and configured better as I noticed some artifacts and blotchiness in dark clothing. Didn't have much time to play with it, but I can confirm without a doubt that you ARE able to turn DNIe on and off through the menu.

the 4595d weights 77.2 pounds and the 46xbr2/3 weights 90 pounds. 12.8 pound difference. side mounted speakers, amplifiers, glass with metal around it and a table top stand can add up.Actually I was referring to the weight difference between the Samsung 4095D and the Sony KDL 40XBR3. The Samsung weighs 54 pounds and the Sony weighs 80 pounds. I believe that they use the same screen glass. Does the perimeter glass that covers the bezel on the Sony add 26 pounds compared with the Samsung 4095D? That seems like a lot.

I just got back from the Best Buy in Toledo, OH where they just put out the 4095. They connected it to a Samsung BD-P1000 over HDMI and were playing Revenge of the Sith... Didn't have much time to play with it, but I can confirm without a doubt that you ARE able to turn DNIe on and off through the menu.Great that should put a lot of people's minds at ease. It sounds like it's time to pay BB a visit :)

Went to Best Buy here in Ga. today after work and they had the 4095 playing a live hd feed. I started messing with the menus and I did turn the DNIe off. The options were off, demo, and on. However, I cant recall whether I did it while watching superbit of MIB being played on the BluRay player or during the live feed. BTW one of the store reps was trying to show off to me the tv capabilities so he attempted to play a Hd dvd in the player:/ I know I'm still wet behind the ears when it pertains to deinterlacing and scaling jargon, but sheesh. I KNOW they are two different formats. I did notice some dot crawling in the dark scenes. However the upscaling was noticable when Will Smith was taking the test in the room with the rest of the officers. The text on the test was not clear, but very distinguishable.

Back to DNIE.....I do think I turned it off and on during the live feed. That was one of the first things I did before the rep tried to show the movie. I believe I cut it back on during the movie to see if I noticed a difference. Which I didn't...maybe Im too much of a noob to notice. Nice tv though. It had its own display, so it wasn't sitting near any other panels for side by side comparison. I did try to see if the old xbr1 was looking like in comparison. It was very dark. This tv handled the dark scenes alot better. Don't know if the settings were tampered with, but when comparing the same feed to xbr1 which lost details, the 4095 showed alot of details in the dark scenes e.g. the superman trailer, some movie "the pulse". It also maitained good detail even standing about 3 feet away. I wanted to wait and see what the sonys were bringing to the table, but this sammy or the 4096 may be good enough for me. Oh yeah, why is the freakin xbr1 still about 3k and this sammy 4096 I saw online with free shipping was about the same price as the xbr1 when it first came out. Mid low 3ks that is

Great info on this forum. I'm new to all this. I was wondering everyone's opinion what standard cable will look like on this set. I realize HD and digital cable will be awesome, but what about all the other shows. I saw some other sets at stores and standard cable looked worse than my tube tv. Maybe that was just the store set up and splitter, but I don't want to shell out the money for something that only works for some of the programming.

Actually I was referring to the weight difference between the Samsung 4095D and the Sony KDL 40XBR3. The Samsung weighs 54 pounds and the Sony weighs 80 pounds. I believe that they use the same screen glass. Does the perimeter glass that covers the bezel on the Sony add 26 pounds compared with the Samsung 4095D? That seems like a lot.
woops forgot to save the post when i edited it. i have no idea why 6 inches makes this tv lighter by 23 pounds than the 4695d, could be a miss print one of them. if you are going to compare these samsungs compare them with the sony v2500's which weight 46"-75lbs and 40"-55lbs

woops forgot to save the post when i edited it. i have no idea why 6 inches makes this tv lighter by 23 pounds than the 4695d, could be a miss print one of them. if you are going to compare these samsungs compare them with the sony v2500's which weight 46"-75lbs and 40"-55lbsI wasn't referring to the 4695d, I was referring to the 4095d which is Samsung's new 40" 1080P LCD weighing in at a svelte 54 pounds. I was comparing that Samsung to Sony's upcoming 40" 1080P LCD, the KDL 40XBR3 which weighs in at a relatively heavy 80 pounds. They use the same panel, they're the same size screen, so why a 26 pound difference? The only difference I can see is the perimeter glass on the Sony that covers the bezel. The 54 pounds on the Samsung isn't a mis-print. Perhaps the 80 pounds for the Sony is the mis-print? http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=hid_tv_newbravia&ProductSKU=KDL40XBR3&TabName=specs&var2=

Well look at the XbR2, as I recall it too wieghs quite a bit less than the XBR3. And at this point no one really knows what the XBR3 has that the XBR2 doesnt.

Great info on this forum. I'm new to all this. I was wondering everyone's opinion what standard cable will look like on this set. I realize HD and digital cable will be awesome, but what about all the other shows. I saw some other sets at stores and standard cable looked worse than my tube tv. Maybe that was just the store set up and splitter, but I don't want to shell out the money for something that only works for some of the programming. I would imagine that they're going to be running a high definition signal to the 4095 for a quite a while at the chain stores so as to draw attention to the panel's capabilities. When one of us finally buys the 4095 I'm sure that the question of how good the SD PQ on the 4095 is will be one of the first questions to be answered. The short answer to your question is to bookmark this thread and stay tuned!

I would imagine that they're going to be running a high definition signal to the 4095 for a quite a while at the chain stores so as to draw attention to the panel's capabilities. When one of us finally buys the 4095 I'm sure that the question of how good the SD PQ on the 4095 is will be one of the first questions to be answered. The short answer to your question is to bookmark this thread and stay tuned!

Well put...that being said can someone explain (simply please!, pretend i'm a 30-something who knows less than he thinks he does) what the extra resolution will do to a normal SD signal via satellite? Does all that extra resolution mean you're sacrificing existing programming in order to get the holy grail of 1080p?

I wasn't referring to the 4695d, I was referring to the 4095d which is Samsung's new 40" 1080P LCD weighing in at a svelte 54 pounds. I was comparing that Samsung to Sony's upcoming 40" 1080P LCD, the KDL 40XBR3 which weighs in at a relatively heavy 80 pounds. They use the same panel, they're the same size screen, so why a 26 pound difference? The only difference I can see is the perimeter glass on the Sony that covers the bezel. The 54 pounds on the Samsung isn't a mis-print. Perhaps the 80 pounds for the Sony is the mis-print? http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=hid_tv_newbravia&ProductSKU=KDL40XBR3&TabName=specs&var2=
maybe the 40" sony's are a misprint. wait until we see how much the 96 series weight. don't go by the weight of a tv go by its specs and sony's are still unofficial.

also the xbr2/3 weight the same but that could always change though

Well put...that being said can someone explain (simply please!, pretend i'm a 30-something who knows less than he thinks he does) what the extra resolution will do to a normal SD signal via satellite? Does all that extra resolution mean you're sacrificing existing programming in order to get the holy grail of 1080p?
When you view SD your going to be seeng 480i displayed unless your using a video processor. Two different tuners. My Sharp 45" is a native 1080 display and 1080i blows you away even if it's not all the way to "P" as my November 05 panel is not able to take it but i do not get the whining on this forum as I can get within inches with a quality 1080i feed with zero issues just friggin beautiful PQ.

My SD looks good but when you get used to 500-600% PQ improvement it's a compromise as 480i simply has a math limit when blown up on a larger screen.

I'll most likely be upgrading to the Samsung 57" LCD with 1080P and not complain as I've seen 1080P and 1080i on a native display can be amazing.

1080P isn't placed there for SD - Your screen will show that your viewing 480i unless your using a video processor that can upscale the 480i. Not all SD is equal and neither is HD. People repeatedly ask these questions over and over and all I can tell you is I've owned two native 1080 Displays and the difference you'll see is in the details they provide.

I've yet to see anyone that has observed 1080P or quality 1080i say that it looks like crap and I see every panel maker moving towards 1080P as it's more than marketing hype and for those with the money they fork it over to tweak to the next level as you'll find by visiting the Video Processor forum where people spend thousands taking the set to the next level.

If your happy without the extra resolution then great folks - settle and be happy! ;)

Oh yeah, why is the freakin xbr1 still about 3k and this sammy 4096 I saw online with free shipping was about the same price as the xbr1 when it first came out. Mid low 3ks that is

Dunno, but it tells me the Sammys may hold their price for a while, especially given the Sony offering in the fall is more expensive than anything on the market.

The xbr1 will drop when the new Sony's roll out I bet.

I wasn't referring to the 4695d, I was referring to the 4095d which is Samsung's new 40" 1080P LCD weighing in at a svelte 54 pounds. I was comparing that Samsung to Sony's upcoming 40" 1080P LCD, the KDL 40XBR3 which weighs in at a relatively heavy 80 pounds. They use the same panel, they're the same size screen, so why a 26 pound difference? The only difference I can see is the perimeter glass on the Sony that covers the bezel. The 54 pounds on the Samsung isn't a mis-print. Perhaps the 80 pounds for the Sony is the mis-print? http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=hid_tv_newbravia&ProductSKU=KDL40XBR3&TabName=specs&var2=

All I can figure is Sony is using a much heavier cabinet, they have that reputation, and they are using a very heavy bezel.

It does make you wonder if they have some magic solution in there that weighs 20 lbs. though. ;)

Am I correct in saying that the MSRP is $4099 for the 4096 and $3999 for the 4095? If the difference in MSRP between the 4095 and 4096 is only $100 then shouldn't we wait a couple weeks for the 4096?

Am I correct in saying that the MSRP is $4099 for the 4096 and $3999 for the 4095? If the difference in MSRP between the 4095 and 4096 is only $100 then shouldn't we wait a couple weeks for the 4096?

Who knows what the MSRPs are.. BUT, per Samsung's site if you use the "Compare Models" tool, the MAP (minimum advertised price) for the 2 models is: $3499 for the 4095 and $3799 for the 4096. the 46 models are respectively $1K more for 95 vs. 96 models.

What I don't understand is that at the Samsung site, the 4095 doesn't even have a link to online retailer or local store, yet it is in stores, while the others with links aren't available...that doesn't really make sense.

seth

Am I correct in saying that the MSRP is $4099 for the 4096 and $3999 for the 4095? If the difference in MSRP between the 4095 and 4096 is only $100 then shouldn't we wait a couple weeks for the 4096?

Yes, so long as it's not too far out in July.

Westa9696 spoke about video processing the SD channels.

I'm now looking at the DVDO iScan. Just looking. ;)

What I don't understand is that at the Samsung site, the 4095 doesn't even have a link to online retailer or local store, yet it is in stores, while the others with links aren't available...that doesn't really make sense.

seth

No kidding, the site is a mess.

Yes, so long as it's not too far out in July.

Westa9696 spoke about video processing the SD channels.

I'm now looking at the DVDO iScan. Just looking. ;)
You need the ADT102 Card for SD and I do not know if it's compatible with the iScan or not, it may only be available on the VP20 and VP30. :)

You need the ADT102 Card for SD and I do not know if it's compatible with the iScan or not, it may only be available on the VP20 and VP30. :)


Not to digress from the forum topic, but do these 1k or 2k priced processors REALLY improve the picture that much. In my noobness I am comparing their upscaling capabilities what i have experienced i.e. blu-ray, upscaling sony player.(Nice pics, but nothing to write home to momma about) :rolleyes: Not dedicated processors. Can they really take a SD pq and make it look that good nearing hd quality

Can they really take a SD pq and make it look that good nearing hd quality

I'm going to check them out, but the reviews sound pretty darn positive.

For me, if I'm not happy, it just goes back up on eBay. :)

Can they really take a SD pq and make it look that good nearing hd quality

I also wonder if they are voice activated, so like in the movies I can walk up to the television and say "Zoom... enhance... enhance..." and end up with a perfect HD picture.

American Electronics quoting a ship date of July 17th for the LN-S4696D. The salesman said that this is the date they "were given by Samsung".

Hey guys just went to BB to check out the 4095d in action and all I have to say Wow! The picture quality is soo good. Blu-ray is definitely the way to go. I didn't have time to test anything really

I'm going to check them out, but the reviews sound pretty darn positive.

For me, if I'm not happy, it just goes back up on eBay. :)


Good ol' ebay ;)

I just noticed in the guide (besides zoom):

"Wide Fit: Enlarges the aspect ratio of the picture to fit the entire screen."

That sees to be a better option than zoom for when watching shows in a 4:3 aspect ratio.

Now, if someone could just purchase this unit and confirm that you can feed the display from a PC to the HDMI port :)

I just noticed in the guide (besides zoom):

"Wide Fit: Enlarges the aspect ratio of the picture to fit the entire screen."

That sees to be a better option than zoom for when watching shows in a 4:3 aspect ratio.

Is there any fine print stating whether wide fit mode works/doesn't work over HDMI inputs (with an SD 4:3 signal being sent)?

Is there any fine print stating whether wide fit mode works/doesn't work over HDMI inputs (with an SD 4:3 signal being sent)?

Wide Fit Mode is probably the same as Stretch Mode in the Sharp LCD TVs, stretching the image more towards the egde of the screen. It should work over any input.

Wide Fit Mode is probably the same as Stretch Mode in the Sharp LCD TVs, stretching the image more towards the egde of the screen. It should work over any input.

Yes it SHOULD work over any input. However, stupidly my current LCD DELL 37" doesn't have a working smart/non-linear stretch over HDMI or Component. It does work over the other inputs though. Also, in looking at the previous Smasung LCD manuals they do state that certain picture aspect modes don't work over HDMI. I belive it said in fine print that HDMI only has 4:3 mode and 16:9 mode. None of the zooms work over HDMI. This is why I want to be sure of the behaviour/functionality of the TV. Sharp TV's Smart stretch does indeed work over any input as it should.

Now, if someone could just purchase this unit and confirm that you can feed the display from a PC to the HDMI port :)


Yeah who is gonna be brave enough to take the first plunge??? Any takers :)

Hey guys just went to BB to check out the 4095d in action and all I have to say Wow! The picture quality is soo good. Blu-ray is definitely the way to go. I didn't have time to test anything really

I did my rounds in NYC and nobody had it. Ugh.

Thanks for the review though. :)

I just spoke to PC Richards (Union Square) and they said they wouldnt get the '95s until Mid-Late July. Ugh. Has anyone seen one they can buy?

I am going to swing by BB today after work to see the bluray and 4095 in action. I go by there and parouse through the tvs about every month that the employees actually recognize me :D I'm waiting I always say. Hopefully the 4096 will make an appearance somewhere.

I saw the 4095 at BB last night. It was the first LCD I have seen that exceeded the PQ of plasma at least under normal room lighting. Whether plasma will retain its traditional advantage of displaying pure black in a dark room remains to be seen although I suspect that it will. The most obvious improvement was the clarity of the imagery on the 4095. Of course that can be attributed in part to the 1080p movie, 50 First Dates, that was playing on the Samsung Blu-ray player. Even so the 4095 did its part to produce sharply defined images that were without equal in the flat panel world. The other thing I liked was the sound quality. The 4095's two speaker surround sound appeared to emanate from all points around me which means that I can get rid of my cumbersome 5.1 sound system with its large A/V receiver and too many speakers that take up too much space.

My only criticism was of the Blu-Ray player itself. For some reason the image stream didn't seem perfectly smooth at times. I'm guessing that was because the player's processor couldn't execute the software fast enough? In any event the 4095 itself seemed very close to perfect under room lit conditions. All that remains to be seen is how it displays cable HD and SD programming and also how it displays OTA broadcasts.

I just noticed in the guide (besides zoom):

"Wide Fit: Enlarges the aspect ratio of the picture to fit the entire screen."

That sees to be a better option than zoom for when watching shows in a 4:3 aspect ratio.

Cool. This deserves fleshing out.

Zoom removes some of the picture, right? On my old Sony plassy, the two smiley faces in the manual for Zoom look like the picture is compromised.

I wonder if Samsung is doing something better now.

If I Zoom a channel with a ticker tape at the bottom like Fox News, ESPN News or Bloomberg, ....the tape is half missing.

TY

Yes it SHOULD work over any input. However, stupidly my current LCD DELL 37" doesn't have a working smart/non-linear stretch over HDMI or Component. It does work over the other inputs though. Also, in looking at the previous Smasung LCD manuals they do state that certain picture aspect modes don't work over HDMI. I belive it said in fine print that HDMI only has 4:3 mode and 16:9 mode. None of the zooms work over HDMI. This is why I want to be sure of the behaviour/functionality of the TV. Sharp TV's Smart stretch does indeed work over any input as it should.

Good point.. I perused the Samsung 4092 manual, and indeed in this manual you can only get 4:3 or 16:9 if signal is over HDMI. the other modes evidently only available if signal comes in via S-video or Component. Don't know (although unlikely given how new the 4092 is) whether this is "fixed" for the 95 or 96 models.

I talked to someone at samsung and was told that this would be available in July. Hoping that it will be early July. Waiting on the 4696D.

Good point.. I perused the Samsung 4092 manual, and indeed in this manual you can only get 4:3 or 16:9 if signal is over HDMI. the other modes evidently only available if signal comes in via S-video or Component. Don't know (although unlikely given how new the 4092 is) whether this is "fixed" for the 95 or 96 models.

Actually this is striking me more as a pretty significant flaw, given the warnings in the same part of the manual about how watching 4:3 content with black bars can cause burn-in; yet apparently if you watch 4:3 content supplied via HDMI its impossible to get rid of the black bars, as stretching and zooming aren't possible. Any thoughts on this??

I just talked to a level 1 at Samsung all of a sudden it seems that theres pushing this 46 inch s4696d back to august and I heard that from other people. This is really ****ed! i waited how long for this tv to come out and now 2 days away from its release date I have to wait another 2 months? wtf!!!! I want this tv if i dont get it i will stick up a best buy truck NO JOKE!!!

so has anyone actually purchased any of these tv's yet? whats keeping the people that have them available locally from pulling the trigger?

I just spoke to PC Richards (Union Square) and they said they wouldnt get the '95s until Mid-Late July. Ugh. Has anyone seen one they can buy?

LOLLERS!!!

I was in the EXACT store at 5:15pm yesterday, the PC Richards off Union Square.

The Circuit City there didn't even have the 4095D on their computers.

The guys at PC Richard were clueless.

However, when I called PC Richard last week, they said they's have the Samsung - Blu ray set up running by Monday the 26th.

I just called BB at Broadway and Houston. It will be set up in the next HOUR!!! (aka 2pm est) with the Blu-Ray demo running.

Maybe I'll see you there. I'll be the 6' 4" dorky looking guy in a suit. :D

I'm not a buyer today, as I've already pre-ordered the 4096D, but I'm dying to see the 95 in action.

The other thing I liked was the sound quality. The 4095's two speaker surround sound appeared to emanate from all points around me which means that I can get rid of my cumbersome 5.1 sound system with its large A/V receiver and too many speakers that take up too much space.



Nice additional news!

It doesn't sound like you were blown away though, huh?

so has anyone actually purchased any of these tv's yet? whats keeping the people that have them available locally from pulling the trigger?

I personally have the 4096D on pre-order, so I've bought it, and I'm just waiting for it to be released.

I'm going to look at the 4095D that will be up and running at my local BB in the next hour.

I could literally hear the dudes who were doing the set-up saying "Give us an hour" LOL.

I just talked to a level 1 at Samsung all of a sudden it seems that theres pushing this 46 inch s4696d back to august and I heard that from other people. This is really ****ed! i waited how long for this tv to come out and now 2 days away from its release date I have to wait another 2 months? wtf!!!! I want this tv if i dont get it i will stick up a best buy truck NO JOKE!!!

Relax dude, I don't think that's accurate.

I just got off the phone with samsung again this customer representive just said that the stores get these tv's 1 month in advanced which I NEVER HEARD BEFORE the rep claims that the stores probably have them but dont want to put them out yet. This sounds like bs to me specifically because the cable card is still being tuned. I have more patientence then anyone else but i hate the waiting game. so now instead of it being released in june it will be released in mid july or as the sales rep said even august.... CAN anyone please just tell me whats going on I got the money waiting for the LN-S4696D lcd tv but its not out......

im a mess :mad:

I just got off the phone with samsung again this customer representive just said that the stores get these tv's 1 month in advanced which I NEVER HEARD BEFORE the rep claims that the stores probably have them but dont want to put them out yet. This sounds like bs to me specifically because the cable card is still being tuned. I have more patientence then anyone else but i hate the waiting game. so now instead of it being released in june it will be released in mid july or as the sales rep said even august.... CAN anyone please just tell me whats going on I got the money waiting for the LN-S4696D lcd tv but its not out......

im a mess :mad:

You're right.

The cable card is the hold up with the 96 series, nothing else.

Will you be using that cable card? or are you into TiVo or DVR?

In my case, I need the DVR, so I really don't care much if it's the 95 or 95 series.

I highly doubt it's going out into August.

Just got off the phone with sam again and yes the tv has been pushed back once again to august so all of you crossing your fingers waiting for a late june or even mid july splash im sorry :( btw sales rep was very knowledgeful he even said he wouldent be suprised if it got pushed back again ... am i the only one looking at the glass half empty?

Well im going to be using the cable card yes for hdtv but thats not the reason im getting this tv atleast not the main reason. Im getting it for my xbox 360 which I already have working on a crappy non hd 480 i 62inch rear projection tv and Also im going to be hooking this up to my computer. btw ladies and gentlemen this tv is said to work best on the pc input I was hoping for hdmi or dvi :( .

btw ladies and gentlemen this tv is said to work best on the pc input I was hoping for hdmi or dvi :( .

Why's that?

Set your video card to 1920 X 1080 and you're good to go.

Besides, that leaves an extra HDMI free for the PS3. :p

Are were sure the only difference between the 95 and 96 is cable card? The no DNie thing seems to be purely speculation. And the 95 has 1080p via component, hmmmmmmm.

All that I can think we are waiting for is a new processor for SD and maybe HD thats better, maybe comparable to Sonys new DRC 2.5 . I really hope thats it, but it would be nice for Samsung to say something about it. I mean what the hell do we want the 96 for if they wont tell us whats better about it. I also dont understand why Samsung really doesnt tell much about their scaling software, even Sony says something.

Also I kinda hope the 96 will have 1080p over component. Seems retarded for the cheaper and older version to have higher specs.

Accourding to BBs site, none of the SoCal stores have the 95, odd.

LOLLERS!!!

I just called BB at Broadway and Houston. It will be set up in the next HOUR!!! (aka 2pm est) with the Blu-Ray demo running.

Maybe I'll see you there. I'll be the 6' 4" dorky looking guy in a suit. :D


Don't waste your time, Cocteau. They don't even have the 4095 in store, yet. They'll probably pair it with a 720p set or a Westy, at best, if they're really setting it up today. 95s are still enroute (from the west coast) and since they've just reached VA a couple of days ago, I'll give it an extra day or two to really see them in the local retail outlets here in New York.

Don't waste your time, Cocteau. They don't even have the 4095 in store, yet. They'll probably pair it with a 720p set or a Westy, at best, if they're really setting it up today. 95s are still enroute (from the west coast) and since they've just reached VA a couple of days ago, I'll give it an extra day or two to really see them in the local retail outlets here in New York.

LOLLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW you tell me.

I went all the way down there, and just like you said, there was no 4095 and the Blu-Ray was indeed paired with a Samsung 720p set.

Further, the kid told me "I have the 4095D right in the back room. I can sell it to you and we'll ship it right to you."

I guess that was a lie, no? At least about having it right in the back room. :mad:

Then I said "No rush, I want to see it."

So he says "It won't look any different than this set. You see, 1080p can not go over the current HDMI cables, only 720p, just like this set."

Further "You need to wait for the HDMI 1.3 cables, they are coming in a couple weeks."

So, I get home all pissed off, and I call the cats at Better Cables. (who contribute to avs, thank you) They know their stuff. And the guy at BC says the kid's dead wrong.

He said the HDMI 1.3 standard could be 6 months off, who knows, and it's a chipset upgrade between devices, not the Goddam cable at all.

*** forgive me I'm a bit sensitive. I've buried 10 feed of HDMI wires in walls, and DO NOT want to go back in there!***

Anyone have any input, it's appreciated.

Are were sure the only difference between the 95 and 96 is cable card? The no DNie thing seems to be purely speculation. And the 95 has 1080p via component, hmmmmmmm.

All that I can think we are waiting for is a new processor for SD and maybe HD thats better, maybe comparable to Sonys new DRC 2.5 . I really hope thats it, but it would be nice for Samsung to say something about it. I mean what the hell do we want the 96 for if they wont tell us whats better about it. I also dont understand why Samsung really doesnt tell much about their scaling software, even Sony says something.

Also I kinda hope the 96 will have 1080p over component. Seems retarded for the cheaper and older version to have higher specs.

Accourding to BBs site, none of the SoCal stores have the 95, odd.

Look back in the thread....there were other small differances with the 4096D like Firewire, and other minor stuff.

I would doubt there's a meaningful differance in the scalers, but like you said, Samsung isn't telling

BB is often such a terrible experience. I love it when 18 year olds who may or may not be literate try to tell me facts about 1080p.

From what I read in some other forums, HMDI 1.3 was just announced, no current TVs supports it, maybe PS3 will, and difference in PQ will be negligible. You might as well start waiting for SED if you are going down this road.

Just saw 4095 in BB in Fort Lauderdale, Fl. PQ is great. They have blu ray player connected, but salesman could not connect anything else to it. Salesman, says can order 4095 or 4695 for next week. They know nothing of the 4696. :rolleyes:

Guess no one cares that the latest 2 lcd tv's ln-s4696d and the 40 inch are on delay for 2 months :(

Guess no one cares that the latest 2 lcd tv's ln-s4696d and the 40 inch are on delay for 2 months :(no need to cry about something i have no control over right?

What is the delay for. I cant see a difference in the two models, why delay? Fk'n samsung.

no need to cry about something i have no control over right?

Nobodies crying over it but are you retarted this tv was supposed to be out in May already now there saying july mid to end on websites and even august from tech support NOT TO MENTION the guy said he wouldent be suprised if it gets pushed back again. I waited too long for this tv and in the final moments the time has gone slower now another wait? of course im gonna be upset who wouldent .

Just got off the phone with sam again and yes the tv has been pushed back once again to august so all of you crossing your fingers waiting for a late june or even mid july splash im sorry :( btw sales rep was very knowledgeful he even said he wouldent be suprised if it got pushed back again ... am i the only one looking at the glass half empty?

In 3 months, there will be an upcoming display from some manufacturer that will look better the the 4x96 that will be released in just 3 more months. Wait 3 months and there will be news of a better display that will be released in 3 more months. Wait 3 months... you get the picture.

With any new technology, if you worry about what will be better in 3 months you will never be happy and the glass will certainly appear empty.

I care as I'm looking at the 4696 as well. But in the meantime, I can use these 95 sets to tide me over (That is, if I don't buy the 95 depending on how impressed I am when I see it in the store.).

The BB here in Buffalo, NY has one 4095 but they still don't have it on display :(

Just saw 4095 in BB in Fort Lauderdale, Fl. PQ is great. They have blu ray player connected, but salesman could not connect anything else to it. Salesman, says can order 4095 or 4695 for next week. They know nothing of the 4696. :rolleyes:

So, they said that the 4695 is coming soon to just order, or is it actually going be in the stores as well?

I think that this is starting to make sense, though. Retailers are waiting until they get both the 40" and 46" models until they put them on the floor. That way, they give people more options. (They avoid the 'I like the picture, but they only have it in that small 40" screen' thinking.) So, it's come one, come all (I hope)!