The 46” LN-S4696D ($4,799 MSRP) and the 40” LN-S4096D ($3,699 MSRP) will be available in June


LN-S4696D TV/Video 1920 x 1080p
HD-grade 1920(H) x 1080(V) pixel resolution
Widescreen aspect ratio
6000:1 dynamic contrast ratio
178 deg(H)/178 deg(V) viewing angle
S-PVA Panel
CCFL - Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp
(92% NTSC color gamut)
10-bit processor with 6.4 billion colors
Digital Cable Ready (DCR) tuner with CableCARD slot
Built-in digital tuner (ATSC)
Fast 8ms response time
New optimized game mode
Swivel stand

LN-S4696D Audio
"Hidden" bottom speakers with "D.A.C.S" (Dual Acoustic Chamber System)
SRS TruSurround XT
Watts per channel: 10W x 2

LN-S4696D Connections
2 HDMI - High Definition Multimedia Interface
Component video input (Y,Pb,Pr) (480i/480p/720p/1080i)
IEEE 1394
S-video and composite video inputs
Side A/V inputs
PC (RGB) input
RS232C (portable audio compatibilty)
USB 1.1
Coaxial antenna input
VESA compatible

Once again Samsung is using the not so likeable DNIe feature in there top ot the line LCD's. Has Samsung improved the DNI Engine in the past year and how good will the Game mode be on the new LCD's?

Photos of the LN-S4696D and LN-S4662D

http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/SamsungLNS4662D.htm

is it hdmi 1.3 compliant?

The 46 inch one was at Circuit City today,[EDIT]. It looked great. They have upgraded the remotes too.

Dan: the one at CC is the LN-S4692D. The 96Ds won't be available until later this summer. CC is carrying the 92D at MSRP.

the LN-S4696D and LN-S4096D are set for a august release at least that's what the press release from CES said.

what ever happened to the 62 series, just for show i guess
http://www.cesweb.org/shared_files/innovations/innovations_2004/4854/mainphoto4854.jpg

mmm, Sexy beast! Id like to wait for the Sony 1080p, but this one will probably be cheaper.

Photos of the LN-S4696D and LN-S4662D

http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/SamsungLNS4662D.htm


According to Samsung's web site, the LN-S4696D will be available in June:

http://www.samsung.com/products/tv/lcdtv/index.asp

good news, i guess they want these out when the samsung blu ray player comes out.

seems like this tv is out

and many online merchant listed in stock on their websites

[EDIT]

Thats a good price, but the Samsung site says it comes out in June, sure you dont mean the 768p sets?

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/files/lns4096_final.pdf

And fromw hat ive heard the MSRP will be $3999, probably wont drop as fast either since they know the novelty of 1080p is mainly for those who
1. Know what they want
2. Can affourd it
3. Have/want bluray/hd-dvd

june release is for both of these tv's. msrp is $4,999 and $3,999

they're listing 7000:1 (dynamic) contrast for the 46". Is this BS? The new pana has a contrast of 10000:1 (dynamic). It seems that the new samsungs will have pretty amazing black levels and may equal the plasma's. Anyone think that Samsung is messing with the numbers. If not, they Plasma's days may be over sooner then expected. I expected that LCD would surpass plasma in the next 2-3 years but it may happen sooner!

For the more knowledgable and experienced people here......does a June release typically mean the beginning of the month, end of the month, or impossible to tell.

I return home in June and will be replacing my 50" Panny plasma that went "tits-up".........I had settled on the 4692D but would love to get the 4696D if available.

Thanks and these forums have helped tremendously in researching my next purchase.

Id say end.

As far as contrast, Samsung totally cooks the books.

For the more knowledgable and experienced people here......does a June release typically mean the beginning of the month, end of the month, or impossible to tell.

I return home in June and will be replacing my 50" Panny plasma that went "tits-up".........I had settled on the 4692D but would love to get the 4696D if available.

Thanks and these forums have helped tremendously in researching my next purchase.

It should be early june for two reasons. The Blu-rey players coming out and the Soccer World cup mid june in Germany.

Well how many Americans watch the world cup?

is the bottom part of the 4096 and 4696 clear glass? on the 4092 and 4692 the bottom part is like a matte black/light gray...

I was wondering if the new 1080p lcd sets from samsung will be able to receive a 1080p signal from a source such as the upcoming blu-ray and ps3. The current tvs only upconvert the 720p signal or 1080i signal to 1080p. If anybody knows please let me know.

1080p input should be a given, would be a huge oversight.

is the bottom part of the 4096 and 4696 clear glass? on the 4092 and 4692 the bottom part is like a matte black/light gray...
it will look pretty much like the 92 series, the picture of the tv in the 6th post in this thread was a concept.

both of these tv's will accept 1080p.

both of these tv's will accept 1080p.

Through which inputs?

2xHDMI
The PDF states that component are 1080i.

2xHDMI
The PDF states that component are 1080i.

Nice - seems like a good unit.

Thanks for the info.

is the bottom part of the 4096 and 4696 clear glass? on the 4092 and 4692 the bottom part is like a matte black/light gray...


It is clear


http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/SamsungLNS4662D.htm

i guess it is, i couldn't tell by the small pictures.
heres a big pic
http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/LN-S4696D.JPG

Hey there thanks for answering the whole 1080p thing. I'm gonna wait for the 4096d instead of getting the 4092d. But I do have one more question how much of a difference does a 6000:1 contrast ratio differ from a 7000:1 ratio with the 6d models

Hey folks,

I saw the 4692 last week and was thrilled by it. But nobody seems to know the answers to basic questions:

1) Does the 469* definitely have cablecard? If so, can it be one of the inputs to the PIP?
2) Speaking of PIP, nobody seems to know which inputs can be used. Either of the HDMIs? Component? Svideo? All of the above?
3) Can it do Picture-by-Picture? Can both channels be HD?

The Sony Bravia came out and people said it had PIP. I don't think it actually did. I've learned to be dubious about PIP in the HD world...

By the wording of the PDF
"Picture-in-picture (PIP) enables convenient
simultaneous viewing of TV programs
and video or PC sources."

I take that to mean, You can view a TV program, and then a Video or PC source with it. Meaning, only one tuner for TV.
Hopefully that means youll be able to have 2 HD sources atleast, like an HTPC with a TV window open.

necrolop,

Not sure I understand. You think any combination of video sources will be permitted:

A) a cable box input,
B) OTA HD using the internal tuner,
C) some future Blu-ray input
D) HTPC
etc, etc.

Or are you saying that the internal tuner has to be one of the inputs (i.e. what is a "TV program? Isn't it the same as a video source")?

I'm looking forward to this release, hopefully they live up to expectations

What I meant was I think PiP in regards to the internal tuner/cable card, will only let one of the sources be a TV channel, and then one other source via external cable box, DVD PC etc etc. Or 2 video sources. Just that you could not have 2 independent TV channels displayed via internal tuners. Not sure if thats correct, but it seems to be what they are trying to say(not trying too hard as ofcourse they dont want people to think they can only watch one channel with PiP). Im pretty sure this is the standard on lots of PiP Tvs with internal tuners.

Thanks!

Do we have a straight answer on the question of Cablecard?

PDF says Cable Card is a go. Does the 92 have a Cable card? A Non-issue for me, got D*. How could you live without Tvio and use a Cable Card???

Apparently the 4692 does not have cable card...I just looked at the pdf spec sheet again. It doesn't feature it the way the 4696 does. My original thought was that I could use my cable box as 1 input to a PIP and the Cable card as another (my level of understanding of Cable card is next to nothing). Does the previous sentence even make sense?

Seems like that should work. I think some of the DVR cable boxes allow PiP. My bros scientific atlanta one does. Do you use a DVR/Tivo? I would much rather be able to have Tivo than PIP, both would be great too. I dont see how anyone could have a nice TV setup without Tivo, its as essential as the set itself IMO.

The manual (http://www.samsung.com/support/productsupport/download/FileView.aspx?cttfileid=929964&type=TV&typecode=&subtype=LCD+TV&subtypecode=&cmssubtypecode=&model=LN-S4092D&filetype=UM&language=&LSSI=/include/SSI/us_left/LMenu_TV_LCDTV.sec&RSSI=/include/SSI/us_right/RMenu_TV.sec) for the 4092 has a matrix of what combinations can be used with PIP. And there's no CableCard slot in the *92.

Sorry for a repost, but can someone give a newbie the 10 second comparison between the 92 and 96. You'd think this would be easy to find, but it doesn't seem so.

There probably isn't a clear reason for me to wait for the 96, but just making sure. All I want is to watch tv and an occasional movie. This will be my first HDtv as well.

Thanks.

The difference is 1080p vs 768p.

2 Million Pixels vs 1 million.

they're listing 7000:1 (dynamic) contrast for the 46". Is this BS? The new pana has a contrast of 10000:1 (dynamic). It seems that the new samsungs will have pretty amazing black levels and may equal the plasma's. Anyone think that Samsung is messing with the numbers. If not, they Plasma's days may be over sooner then expected. I expected that LCD would surpass plasma in the next 2-3 years but it may happen sooner!
I believe your comparing a Panny Plasma to an LCD - These are LCD TV's not Plasma's which accounts for the CR. 7000:1 is quite high for an LCD. These are some of the nicest LCD FP's I've seen. CR by nature of PDP's is usually higher but remember it's Dynamic not static. :)

Photos of the LN-S4696D and LN-S4662D

http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/SamsungLNS4662D.htm
Awesome Pictures! Thanks.

I'm holding out for the larger 1080P Samsung LCD or PDP. 57" or 63" - Samsung seems to be getting their act together with all their new "S" seres in every type, DLP, LCD, PDP and soon to be LED. :)

necrolop: Thanks for your help yesterday...I do not use a DVR/TIVO [yet]. Was busy sending my children to college for the last 6 years. Actually, I'm kind of glad I missed the beginning of the flat panel revolution, because I might have spent 7k for an early model that would be 2k now...

I am a COMCAST subscriber - they are now in bed with TIVO, and will soon[?] put out a joint product that (I hope) will make discussions of PIP largely irrelevant. But if I get the PIP, I want to understand it, so thanks to rjsen as well!

The difference is 1080p vs 768p.

2 Million Pixels vs 1 million.

So I guess it's pretty silly to buy the old model say this weekend when the new one is coming out next month, huh.

Awesome Pictures! Thanks.

I'm holding out for the larger 1080P Samsung LCD or PDP. 57" or 63" - Samsung seems to be getting their act together with all their new "S" seres in every type, DLP, LCD, PDP and soon to be LED. :)
LED? are you talking about a 32" samsung that should be coming out this fall or 2006.

the 4696d will be a great thing to look at and get ideas of how the 46" sony x series will be like.

Well, the Prices will be higher, so I geuss youll have to make a decision on whether the difference in price is worth it to you. If you plan on getting Blu-Ray or HD-DVD within the lifetime of this set, Id consider it. It wouldnt be totally silly to get the 768p set, cheaper price, and theres lots of 720p content to go on it. I plan on using a HTPC and a PS3 on mine so Im difinately looking for 1080p.



necrolop: Thanks for your help yesterday...I do not use a DVR/TIVO [yet]. Was busy sending my children to college for the last 6 years. Actually, I'm kind of glad I missed the beginning of the flat panel revolution, because I might have spent 7k for an early model that would be 2k now...

I am a COMCAST subscriber - they are now in bed with TIVO, and will soon[?] put out a joint product that (I hope) will make discussions of PIP largely irrelevant. But if I get the PIP, I want to understand it, so thanks to rjsen as well!

Np, I actually havn't jumped on a HDTV yet either. Ive been holding back for years. I figured a car was more important haha. But I figured now that ive waited so long, might as well get something that I can use for atleast say 4 years then give it tas a hand me down to my parents hahaha.

Ive just been paranoid that Id buy a 768p set and the next day 1080p would roll out in full force. When the Bravia information was leaked I thought it was going to be 1080p, big bummer to find out it wasnt.

...i'm sorry guys, but on samsung website they list the 4696D has a 768p panel, not 1080p.

Am I missing something?

http://samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/files/lns4696_final.pdf

ya...I was missing that manual! :D

They should really change the specs on their website.

The LN-S4696D will probably sell for $5,000 when it comes out. But you can get a refurb Sharp Aquos 45 inch for $3000 shipped today. For $2000 less it seems to me there is no contest. Am I wrong?

The LN-S4696D will probably sell for $5,000 when it comes out. But you can get a refurb Sharp Aquos 45 inch for $3000 shipped today. For $2000 less it seems to me there is no contest. Am I wrong?

No Sharp to date, incluing the ridiculous 65d90u will take 1080p.

They suck.

The 4696d MSRP is something like 4800 I think, so most places should sell it for somewhere in the high 3's, I would think.

Plus itl have an initial drop.

No contest between Sharp and Samsung? Id have to disagree, even the 40U Sharp is a POS.

The Sharp LC-45GX6U will take 1080P through the AVC box but it may need a switch. They are true 1080P panels and from what I've read they are the best. Why do you say they suck?

That's the model number given to me by a local retailer here in the midwest. LN-R469. Now, Best Buy and Circuit city have the LN-s4692. Both Best Buy and Circuit city list their model at $3800 while NFM lists the other model at $4780. They've told me that the tv's at the retail chains have less features and components which is why they are cheaper. Is that true? Has anyone seen differences?

Nevermind....found some info on the advizia site.

msrp is $3,999 and $4,999

you won't find anything lower than this for these tv's, atleast at a store

Heres the general breakdown:

LN-R469D - Last years model. 768P. Has a cable card slot/QAM tuner. I'm getting this model tuesday so I'll let you know how it is. 1HDMI port, 2 component

LN-S4692D - This years 768P. Does not have cablecardk/QAM. Has new features improving contrast and viewing angles. Blacks levels also likely improved. 2 HDMI ports, 1 component.

LN-S4696 - This years flagship 1080P. Has cablecard/QAM. Has new features improving contrast and viewing angles. Black levles also likely improved. 2 HDMI ports, 2 component.


I chose the first one because I want a tv now, and need a cablecard. If I wanted to wait, I would have went for the 4696, but I guess I ended up saving myself some money. My only doubt about the 4696 is how standard definition will look on 1080p, and when sources will be available for that resolution. So far ps3 games are a no go, so I guess the sole source will be HD DVD/Blue ray. However, if you have the patience and money I'd hold out until june when the 4696 will hit retail chains, its seems to have the best of everything.

Doug

Perfect info. Thanks! While I would love to get one today, I'm going to wait for June and get the 4696. In my area, suburb of KC, there are only horror stories of using cable cards. Every single place I have been has said to stay away from them. I guess the've got it figured out in most cities, just not mine.

I'm not sure about the price increase. MSRP on the 4696 is rumored at $4999 I think. Current models in my area are:

LN-R469 -- $4780 (only found one retailer that actually has this model)
LN-S4696 -- $3799.

I was set to buy the R469 until I found out about the cable cards, then did some research and found the 4696. The 4696 won't be much higher than that so I'm waiting.

Good luck with yours. They all seem wonderful to watch for my eyes.

MSRP wont hold. I dont plan on buying this TV till September so I can let it drop a tad.

Good choice - you wont regret the decision. I actually dont care about the cable card, I just like having a QAM tuner. With it, I can just plug my $15 a month basic cable into the back of my television and get about 10 HD channels and 80 digital channels. Saves me a lot of money compared to getting Digital Cable and a Box.

Even if you dont care about the Cablecard/qam, the 4696 is still going to give you a better picture then the 469 will. And from what I understand, you can turn off the DNIe function by setting the input to "movie mode" on the new models, another plus.

Doug

How can you get 80 Digital Channels and 10 HD channels for $15? I have satellite, but I have Cable for internet(and have to pay for basic cable) If I hook it up to this TV, it will receive 80 Digital Channels and 10HD channels? Why is that if Im not paying for them?

HD and digital channels come in two flavors, Unencrypted and encrypted. If you have a QAM tuner, you can get all the digital and HD channels that are unecrypted, and you need the cable card for the encrypted (premium) ones. Most cable providers dont encrypt the local channels in HD, so you can get them with QAM.

With my qam tuner I get HD PBS, NBC, ABC, WB, FOX, HBO, CBS, and a few others I rarely watch. How HBO got in there I have no idea, but the cable guy said not to worry about it, I'm not doing anything illegal and just be happy it comes in.

Unfortunately, I cant get discovery HD as it is encrypted, but its a small price to pay for all the other channels.

Digital wise, I hardly look through them all, but I would say I have about 50 music channels, and 30 or so regular channels, cant tell you what they are off the top of my head though.

So, its worth a shot when you get your new set. Plug in the cable that goes to your modem and do a channel search. Go through each channel individually, my HD channels show up as strange numbers between 118 and 130. For example, some of my channels are 125.14 or something like that.

Doug

Sweet stuff, Thanks! BTW, what cable company do you have?

Comcast

Doug

Any guesses as to what impact the release of the 96 series will have on pricing for the current 92 series?

after doing a little research about this tv for another thread i might have found something great.

NO DNIE! after looking at the spec sheet and both of the tv's sections on the web site i see nothing about DNIE. will these tv's even have DNIE or can you turn them off. maybe they are finally doing things like sony and using some things that will be going into the sony X series.

I went to my local Samsung dealer today. (HiFi in Whitby, Ontario, Canada) He gave me an estimated release date and price for these two panels.

For the 4096D, it will cost $3500
For the 4696D, it will cost $4600

He said the panels will be coming in late June or early July. All prices listed above are in Canadian dollars.

Wow I hope those prices are correct! Thats like $3100USD for the 40inch. But sources say MSRP could be $3999USD :( .

As far as DNie goes, the PSF doesnt state it, but look at this, look at the mini LCD next to it with the specs...

http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/SamsungLNS4662D%20highres.htm

Although, the PDF is newwer.

The one dissipointing thing about these panels is that there is no DVI input for PCs.

dnie is on the tv itself in the left bottom of the tv. but its not listed on the website soo we just have to wait

i like this design! see above pic of the 4662 the 4696 and 4096 has the same design...is the bottom part glass?

The one dissipointing thing about these panels is that there is no DVI input for PCs.

sorry NooB here...but wont a VGA input work as well?

yes it is glass, with metal around the glass at the ends

yes it is glass, with metal around the glass at the ends

I like the design of 96d series.... but glass looks very weak.... hope it's not fragile....

I like the design of 96d series.... but glass looks very weak.... hope it's not fragile....
when you lift this tv up it will have a metal grip on the bottom back of the tv, if you try to lift it holding the glass part you would break it off.

What does a difference in contrast ratio really make? For example, the difference between a 5000:1 and a 6000:1 ratio. Is it really that big of a difference?

Well how many Americans watch the world cup?

According to the last Nielsen Ratings, I believe the actual count is 6.

:D

There probably isn't a clear reason for me to wait for the 96, but just making sure. All I want is to watch tv and an occasional movie. This will be my first HDtv as well. Thanks.

That's funny, cos that's all I want to do too! :D

I was all set to f i n a l l y settle on a Plasma 42, then the smart-girl at CC pitched me me the LCD Sam40 model with the 1080p. I could've strangled her. Now I am back at start. It does sound as if the majority says wait until next month for the 96. Are there any other LCD 40's to seriously consider?

Thanks in advance for any/all responses.

:confused:

why does the pdf for the 46" samsung list 1920 rez then only shows 1080i ? am i missing something ? is this a 1080p tv or not ?

Only 1080i over Component is why, it only allows 1080p over HDMI.

Does anyone know the dimensions for the Samsung LN-S4096D??? I tried looking on the Samsung website and all over the web and have found nothing.

Does anyone know the dimensions for the Samsung LN-S4096D??? I tried looking on the Samsung website and all over the web and have found nothing.
looks like we have to wait until june for new info or a product manual. everything i see is TBD.

you could use the 40" 92 series to give you a close measurement

Monitor with stand 39.5"(W) x 29.5"(H) x 13"(D)
Monitor without stand 39.5"(W) x 26.8"(H) x 4.5"(D)
Monitor with stand weight 60.6 Lbs.

My only doubt about the 4696 is how standard definition will look on 1080p, and when sources will be available for that resolution. So far ps3 games are a no go, so I guess the sole source will be HD DVD/Blue ray.
Doug

I'm not calling you incorrect since your post was before E3. I'm just providing an update. Sony announced at E3 that many games, like Gran Turismo 4,, will run at the 1080p resolution and at 60fps.

Jared

i have a question for the experts...i was considering the 92 series but i'm waiting to see what the 96 series will be like since the design is a little different and it's 1080p.

my questioni is that since the 96 series is 1080p set, it will have to upconvert current 768 or 720 content to 1080i, right? because of this up conversion, will the PQ be less than if the set is 768 (92 series) or will it look just as good?

I think that if one of the supported display modes for the 1080p 96 is 720p, (which I do not know if it does yet for the 96), then they will look pretty much the same. If not though, I am unsure. That's just my guess, though.
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As an update, I was doing some searching on the Samsung website, and I came across the TV advisor which allows you to compare several TVs at once. When I went to compare the 46", Samsung gives a "minimal advertised price" of $4,799.99. For the 40", it's given as $3,799.99.

ouch! that's expensive! might have to stick to the 4692D. :(

I think that if one of the supported display modes for the 1080p 96 is 720p, (which I do not know if it does yet for the 96), then they will look pretty much the same. If not though, I am unsure. That's just my guess, though.


Thats an Input mode. This is a fixed pixel display, it only has ONE display mode, and that is 1080p. I think 720p content should be good on it, as its a 2:3 pixel ratio which isnt too bad. On a 768p set the ratio is 15:16.

Thanks for clearing that up for me :) I assume then that what they mean by "supported display modes" are resolutions that the TV can accept and then convert to the ONE display mode, like to 1080p, for example?

Thanks,
Jared

As an update, I was doing some searching on the Samsung website, and I came across the TV advisor which allows you to compare several TVs at once. When I went to compare the 46", Samsung gives a "minimal advertised price" of $4,799.99. For the 40", it's given as $3,799.99.

If you take a look at the very first post in this thread you'll see that those are the MSRPs.

Anyway, for those that missed it there. When I read through this, the only time I had seen price was from #65. Sorry for the extra post, then.

Bump......

Patiently waiting for the 4696D to be released........any info on the exact date as June looms closer?

Thanks

I heard from a forum sponsor late June. No exact date though.

Would the xbox 360 look best on the 4692D ( 1368 rez ) or the 4696D ( 720p upscaled to 1080i )

considering that the 4696D only does 1080p over hdmi.

would it be better to get the 4692D since it's 1368 native. the same goes for the westinghouse 42" lcd which is also 1080p native on all HD inputs.

I def want to run an Htpc on this as well.

both of these tv's are set for august release as shown in a press release today
http://samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20060524_0000257857

BUT the product pages still say june
http://samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS4096DXXAA.asp
http://samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS4696DXXAA.asp

something new i see is the 46" has 7,000:1 contrast now it used to be 6 and the 40" model is still the same 6:000:1

both of these tv's are set for august release as shown in a press release today
http://samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/PressRelease.asp?seq=20060524_0000257857

BUT the product pages still say june
http://samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS4096DXXAA.asp
http://samsung.com/Products/TV/LCDTV/LNS4696DXXAA.asp

something new i see is the 46" has 7,000:1 contrast now it used to be 6 and the 40" model is still the same 6:000:1

Any speculation what the street pricing would likely be..? the 4092s are going for about 33% under MSRP now.. I certainly couldn't see spending an extra $1k for a 96 vs a 92 model..

msrp talk only!
46" LN-S4696D ($4,799 MSRP) and the 40" LN-S4096D ($4,099 MSRP)

msrp talk only!
46" LN-S4696D ($4,799 MSRP) and the 40" LN-S4096D ($4,099 MSRP)

I guess there's a reason to only discuss MSRP, but when the manufacturer's themselves have "buy now" links for a product that bring you to retailers that aren't selling at MSRP, MSRP becomes a somewhat moot point.

Even on Samsung's site, they don't list the MSRP (at least anywhere obvious unless you dig for old press releases), so its not that easy to figure out.. Eg the Sammy 4092 on the "Buy Now" link from Samsung's site indicates a Reg Price on Best Buy that's different than another linked vendor's Reg Price (eg. Crutchfield or B&H), and forgetting about whatever happens wherever after "adding to the cart".

Additionally, if you compare models on Samsung's site, you don't get MSRPs. Of interest for example for the 4096, you get a "Minimal Advertised Price" of $3799.

Forgetting specific MSRP or other pricing. What value do people put on having a 1080 set vs. a 720 set? For say a 40" TV, would it be worth an additional $500, $1K, $2K ? For Sammy DLPs the MSRP (or actually the Minimal Advertised Price) difference between 2 sets that aside from resolution (eg. the 5086 and 5087 models) seems to be a reasonable $500 difference. Is a greater cost difference justified between LCD TVs?

I just finished ordering a 4696 from ABT electronics. When I get it, I will post a review!

Wish me luck!

I just finished ordering a 4696 from ABT electronics. When I get it, I will post a review!

Wish me luck!


where? i don't even see it on their site...

where? i don't even see it on their site...

lol... avsforum will not let me link to it. Just go to the ABT web page and search for 4696.

i don't get all this msrp talking either. Do the forum policemen understand that nobody is selling at msrp? forum is meant to provide information for readers, mrsp is not real information. where is the freedom of speech?

I hope the forum allows me to post this. And I hope samsung adjusts their "msrp" according to this.

http://news.com.com/Source+Samsung+sees+LCD+prices+dropping/2100-1041_3-6075425.html

do you think that the 4696 could go down to as low as 3500? that would be awesome! :D

Yea I dont under stand the MSRP price rules. I can however see the need to keep this a technical forum filled with information rather than good deals, also to avoid people buying from sites that have prices too good to be true. But it looks like its some sort of Dogma, like its blasphemous to speak of pricing.

do you think that the 4696 could go down to as low as 3500? that would be awesome! :D
maybe the 4096 ;)

maybe the 4096 ;)

I expect the 4096 will be under $3000 soon, and the 4696 around $3500 before christmas.

disclaimer: personal wild guess -- don't hold me against the msrp rules. :cool:

The 4096 isn't even out yet, is it? If that baby drops below $3000, its mine.

Somehow I'm starting to think that it would quite a while til price drops much lower than MSRP, or at least MAP (which per Samsung's site is about $300 less than MSRP)..

See this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=680973

to quote from the news article that was posted:

"The series lists screen sizes of 32W inches (shipping in July at a $2,299 suggested retail); 40W inches ($4,099, August); and 46W-inches ($4,799 suggested retail), and will be distributed primarily to A/V specialty stores and Pro Group members."

... the bit about distribution thru AV Specialty stores has me worried.. Anyone know if the likes of J&R, BB, CC, etc.. would qualify as such (I would guess not)..?

Some of you guys are nuts. The 4692 will still be sold, and I don't think Samsung will shoot themselves in the foot by pricing 4696 super low. There would have to be at least $1,000 difference in prices on those two sets.

no, if you look at what costco is pricing the sceptre 42" 1080p models, you would get a hint of where these babies are going to be. demanding $4000 for a 40" is just not realistic. The recent reports has it that the big LCD manufacturers are not making much money. However, that's due to the capital investment in the larger capacity plants. They have no choice but to increase their volume and also response to the price pressure to lower the price. Take a look at where the 50" plasma was a year ago, and compare it to the price today.

Some of you guys are nuts. The 4692 will still be sold, and I don't think Samsung will shoot themselves in the foot by pricing 4696 super low. There would have to be at least $1,000 difference in prices on those two sets.

$1k difference would be fine with me for the 40" given what the 4092 is selling at now. :)

both of these tv's are set for august release as shown in a press release today
BUT the product pages still say june
something new i see is the 46" has 7,000:1 contrast now it used to be 6 and the 40" model is still the same 6:000:1

I spoke with Samsung yesterday, and they said these 1080p sets have been produced and will ship to distributors this weekend.

The dude was pretty darn sure we're talking June release.

I see one Pre-order dealer now, but that doesn't necessarily mean much.

Question: You heard anything about the set's on screen functionality for attached components? A friend with a Hitachi plassy has a neat IR tower that the set send s a beam to and it controls the DVD in a closed cabinet. Thanks.

And my understanding is the smaller 40" is 6000:1. However this is really all about the true 1080p, right?

Any speculation what the street pricing would likely be..? the 4092s are going for about 33% under MSRP now.. I certainly couldn't see spending an extra $1k for a 96 vs a 92 model..

One pre-order site is saying US$3,598msrp and their price is US$3,398.

However I don't know how reputable the site it.

What I do know is I keep hitting the J&R site to see when they get it. They get the new stuff FAST and on day one, they do free shipping. :)

no, if you look at what costco is pricing the sceptre 42" 1080p models, you would get a hint of where these babies are going to be. demanding $4000 for a 40" is just not realistic.

I certainly hope you are right. :)

My fear is that the Sceptre and Westinghouse 1080p sets only have one HDMI. In my book, that makes them worthless, so I have to pay up for the Samsung.

1 - Cable Box

2 - DVD recorder

but come Christmas that DVD Recorder goes on eBay, and HELLO PlayStation 3 with Blue Ray.

I expect the 4096 will be under $3000 soon, and the 4696 around $3500 before christmas.

disclaimer: personal wild guess -- don't hold me against the msrp rules. :cool:

I would say those are pretty safe guesses.

I would think the 4096 sticks around $2999 for a while, and doesn't really plummet. There's going to be too much demand as people with 1366 X 768 sets
who say "Look at my HDTV." realize the truth and scramble for a true 1080p set.

What's going to happen to all those 1366 X 768 sets?

I currently have a 3+ year old Sony KZ-32TS1 plassy. 1024 X 1024, pretty sweet in it's day, but only 32". MSRP was $5,999 if I recall correctly, and the 42" was $7,999, out of my league.

I certainly hope you are right. :)

My fear is that the Sceptre and Westinghouse 1080p sets only have one HDMI. In my book, that makes them worthless, so I have to pay up for the Samsung.

1 - Cable Box

2 - DVD recorder

but come Christmas that DVD Recorder goes on eBay, and HELLO PlayStation 3 with Blue Ray.



You're paying $600 for that?

How about instead of wasting your money, you donate it to a broke college student? *ducks*

One pre-order site is saying US$3,598msrp and their price is US$3,398.


What I do know is I keep hitting the J&R site to see when they get it. They get the new stuff FAST and on day one, they do free shipping. :)

Don't know about the free shipping.. they have freight costs associated with at least some of the other Samsung's they currently stock (eg. 4092, 4051) .. running about $150 or thereabouts...

The 4096 isn't even out yet, is it? If that baby drops below $3000, its mine.

Not yet, but Samsung told me it could be any day now.

That said, you never know how reliable anyone's Tech/Sales Support is.

I'd guess it's under $3000 by Christmas time.

Not that I have money coming out of my butt, but if it debuts at $3599 and dealers are selling it at $3399, I'm in and I'll be reviewing it for you dudes. :p

Would the xbox 360 look best on the 4692D ( 1368 rez ) or the 4696D ( 720p upscaled to 1080i )

considering that the 4696D only does 1080p over hdmi.

would it be better to get the 4692D since it's 1368 native. the same goes for the westinghouse 42" lcd which is also 1080p native on all HD inputs.

I def want to run an Htpc on this as well.

I have wondered this myself. Does anyone know about this type of upscale and its quality in general (obviously not particular to this set)? I heard from a CC guy that it would be better if upscaled to 1080i than remained at 720p, but I am not sure he was right. Can anyone please help us out here? Thanks a bunch.

Jared

BTW, how did you know that it will upscale to 1080i in the first place?

You're paying $600 for that?

How about instead of wasting your money, you donate it to a broke college student? *ducks*

LOL. :D

Yes, I'm hearing PS3 could be $499. So if you get Blu-Ray and HDMI plus gaming, I'll buy it.

That's the key with the new 1080p sets, you gotta have at least 2 HDMI ports.

Don't know about the free shipping.. they have freight costs associated with at least some of the other Samsung's they currently stock (eg. 4092, 4051) .. running about $150 or thereabouts...

Understood.

I live here in Mahnattan where J & R operates, and the do the free shipping for one day only. The day they get the sets.

It's not that material, like $158.

Understood.

I live here in Mahnattan where J & R operates, and the do the free shipping for one day only. The day they get the sets.

It's not that material, like $158.

Ahhh.. you might be better off overall finding an out of state vendor in your case then (you end up trading no freight for sales tax).. eg. perhaps Electronics Expo will end up stocking?

LOL. :D

Yes, I'm hearing PS3 could be $499. So if you get Blu-Ray and HDMI plus gaming, I'll buy it.

That's the key with the new 1080p sets, you gotta have at least 2 HDMI ports.


There is no hearing anymore. Sony officially revealed the prices:

$499 gets you a 20 GB HDD, no wireless network card, no HDMI ports; therefore, no 1080p.

$599 gets you the full thing with 1 HDMI port, 60 GB HDD, wireless, 1080p.


The $499 is the tard pack.


We digress.

On the 96 series, does anyone know is the scaling will be done to 1080p or 1080i? So, this would be completely unlike the Sharp 45" sets which do not accept 1080p but upscale to 1080p whereas the Samsung does not upscale to 1080p but directly accepts it. Am I right in this assumption?

Thanks,
Jared

There is no hearing anymore. Sony officially revealed the prices:

$499 gets you a 20 GB HDD, no wireless network card, no HDMI ports; therefore, no 1080p.

$599 gets you the full thing with 1 HDMI port, 60 GB HDD, wireless, 1080p.


The $499 is the tard pack.


We digress.

Well, I must say that you are right in that the $499 is the tard pack. However, it has been said by Sony that the lower PS3 model will support 1080p despite not having HDMI. Yet, most TVs do not accept 1080p via component cables. And even if you have a capable set, the copy protection on blu-ray discs (if they implement it) will make it impossible to send a 1080p signal over non HDMI cables. So you are basically right. The lower version will be able to put out 1080p, but almost no one will ever be able to accept the signal.

On the 96 series, does anyone know is the scaling will be done to 1080p or 1080i? So, this would be completely unlike the Sharp 45" sets which do not accept 1080p but upscale to 1080p whereas the Samsung does not upscale to 1080p but directly accepts it. Am I right in this assumption?

Thanks,
Jared
it accepts and upscales to 1080p

Well, I must say that you are right in that the $499 is the tard pack. However, it has been said by Sony that the lower PS3 model will support 1080p despite not having HDMI. Yet, most TVs do not accept 1080p via component cables. And even if you have a capable set, the copy protection on blu-ray discs (if they implement it) will make it impossible to send a 1080p signal over non HDMI cables. So you are basically right. The lower version will be able to put out 1080p, but almost no one will ever be able to accept the signal.


I thought there wasn't enough bandwidth for component cables to transmit 1080p signals?

Thanks for the clarification - Someone earlier in this thread said it would upscale to 1080i - it would only use 1080p when directly inputted into the panel.

Thanks again!

Thanks for the clarification - Someone earlier in this thread said it would upscale to 1080i - it would only use 1080p when directly inputted into the panel.

Thanks again!

So what's the point anyway then of the new Samsung-touted DVD players that upscale to 1080p? Anyone have an opinion of whether the upscaling of a DVD in one of these players (eg. 960) would be better than using a 1080i upscaling DVD player (which are much more common and less expensive) and letting the TV de-interlace?

I thought there wasn't enough bandwidth for component cables to transmit 1080p signals?

That was one of the mistakes Sony made at E3 (they did not address all the questions and skepticism about the differences in the two versions right away.) I regularly read PS3today.com so which is always up to date on the latest news. For further developments, I recommend that you go there. In the meantime, I have a few links from sites that explains the 1080p situation on the PS3 (sorry to get off topic):

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/sony-ps3-jr-will-have-1080p-out-175267.php
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=12767
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:0DFlGALH4MIJ:www.joystiq.com/2006/05/19/sony-clears-up-some-ps3-confusion/+ps3+will+do+1080p&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=9&client=firefox-a
(look at post 33)

So what's the point anyway then of the new Samsung-touted DVD players that upscale to 1080p? Anyone have an opinion of whether the upscaling of a DVD in one of these players (eg. 960) would be better than using a 1080i upscaling DVD player (which are much more common and less expensive) and letting the TV de-interlace?

From some thread I had read earlier, I was under the impression that it would be best left to the TV do it as its hardware is better for scaling. However, I think personally that the DVD player conversion would be your best option. In case you care why, I think so because if you upscale to 1080i and then de-interlace, that's twice that you have altered the signal, which I believe would make it weaker than if changed once. Also, the new Samsung DVD upscalers I have heard to be very good at converting to 1080p. In addition, the TV would not have to do anything to the signal and thus not risk "polluting" it.

From some thread I had read earlier, I was under the impression that it would be best left to the TV do it as its hardware is better for scaling. However, I think personally that the DVD player conversion would be your best option. In case you care why, I think so because if you upscale to 1080i and then de-interlace, that's twice that you have altered the signal, which I believe would make it weaker than if changed once. Also, the new Samsung DVD upscalers I have heard to be very good at converting to 1080p. In addition, the TV would not have to do anything to the signal and thus not risk "polluting" it.

Thanks for your input. I would like to eventually after some time passes to hear some actual user experience with this. Obviously that won't happen til the 1080p sets are installed, etc.. I was strongly considering the Sony 85 DVD/changer model (I like the idea of a changer, if not for DVDs then for CDs (shuffling for parties, etc..) and it has gotten decent reviews. It has a 1080i upconverting and HDMI output.

Im still curious if the scaling done when you try and play the 1080i Xbox 360 on a 1080p TV will noticeably increase ghosting....

Does anyone know whether the 96 series LCDs are likely to have built in TV Guide or equivalent, seeing as they have cable-card slots?

Does anyone know whether the 96 series LCDs are likely to have built in TV Guide or equivalent, seeing as they have cable-card slots?

should have a built in guide since D-OTA has a guide in the bit stream. My 30" sammy tube tv has a built in guide.

For those that have seen these 46" TV side by side next to a 50" plasma does the 4" make a slight noticeable difference? I originaly was set on a 50" Panny 60U but after finding out there was no PC input or PIP I leaned toward the Samsung 50" plasma but now I stumbled on these 46" LCD so I am leaning in this direction if the picture is as good if not better then a plasma. I just want the size to look impresive in my family room too.

Ahhh.. you might be better off overall finding an out of state vendor in your case then (you end up trading no freight for sales tax).. eg. perhaps Electronics Expo will end up stocking?

I do.

I have the stuff I buy at J & R sent to my parents tax-free in Connecticut.

It's a little game I play. :)

You're right, the 8 3/4% taxes on a $3500 TV outweighs the $158 shipping delta.

There is no hearing anymore. Sony officially revealed the prices:

$499 gets you a 20 GB HDD, no wireless network card, no HDMI ports; therefore, no 1080p.

$599 gets you the full thing with 1 HDMI port, 60 GB HDD, wireless, 1080p.


The $499 is the tard pack.


We digress.

Great info!

No HDMI at $499?

Fuggetaboutit!

Looks like you're right, 600 bucks. Ouch. :mad:

Well, I must say that you are right in that the $499 is the tard pack. However, it has been said by Sony that the lower PS3 model will support 1080p despite not having HDMI. Yet, most TVs do not accept 1080p via component cables. And even if you have a capable set, the copy protection on blu-ray discs (if they implement it) will make it impossible to send a 1080p signal over non HDMI cables. So you are basically right. The lower version will be able to put out 1080p, but almost no one will ever be able to accept the signal.

Wow, great analysis. TY

I do.

I have the stuff I buy at J & R sent to my parents tax-free in Connecticut.

It's a little game I play. :)

You're right, the 8 3/4% taxes on a $3500 TV outweighs the $158 shipping delta.

I live in NY, too, (but not NYC) so I always get that sales tax problem (which is WAY too high by the way). NYS, however, requires that you still report all Internet purchases on your state taxes for which you did not pay sales tax (called "use tax" I believe.) Now, because many do not want to add up all their receipts from online, or cannot because they do not have the receipts, NYS allows people to pay $40 instead of totaling the sales tax. So, to those that purchase a lot of things online, $40 is cheap because the tax, if paid out at the 8 3/4% might total like $400. I guess you can think of it like the property tax square on monopoly - pay either $200 or 10% and we all know that the $200 is probably better than the 10%.

However, there is even an exception to this rule (lousy government taxes and rules). For purchases online over $1000, you must report it regardless of whether you paid the $40. So, it looks as if New Yorkers are stuck with paying the tax for TVs no matter what unless you don't care about state auditors.

it accepts and upscales to 1080p

But what do you think it will look like?

I mean, take my somewhat happy experience at 720p with a DVD like Pixar's Finding Nemo. Will the Samsung HDMI DVD recorder I pre-ordered really impress the viewer with the upscaling to the new 96-series sets?

Thanks.

So, it looks as if New Yorkers are stuck with paying the tax for TVs no matter what unless you don't care about state auditors.

If J & R gets the 4096 first, as they often do, I'll phone in the order and get CT delivery and hopefully hit them the day of the free delivery.

Wishful thinking though.

I keep checking the J & R site twice a day now. :)

But what do you think it will look like?

I mean, take my somewhat happy experience at 720p with a DVD like Pixar's Finding Nemo. Will the Samsung HDMI DVD recorder I pre-ordered really impress the viewer with the upscaling to the new 96-series sets?

Thanks.
sd will look really bad on any hdtv, a 720p upscaled dvd will look a lot better if you could set it to 1080i.

I think it would be best to have 480i over HDMi to the set, so the TV can do all of the scaling. With an upscaling DVD player the signal will have to be upscaled twice, which cant be good. As gfar as xbox, I would think 720p feed would be better, it has a faster frame rate.

sd will look really bad on any hdtv, a 720p upscaled dvd will look a lot better if you could set it to 1080i.

Thanks.

I don't have the model number, but I bought a Samsung DVD Recorder with upscaling. It's on pre-order at Amazon, due in July. I'll be sure to RTFM. ;)

I bought the Samsung anticipating I'd be buying the 4096, and there was something I read about the TVs "ability to recognize and synch your Samsung components through on-screen commands"

....and something about how the components could be behind closed doors out of site.

I'm hoping that's correct. We'll soon see. How soon is debatable. No 4096 yet on the J&R site. :mad:

Hi Guys!
On Samsung, only 92 & 96 series have CCFL(Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp). Does that make a difference in contrast, black levels & shadow detail? The lower models i.e 41 & 51 series don't have this feature.

the samsung 92-96 models are the only 2 I know of that has the CCFL at 92% ntsc ( so they claim )

from what I can see with my own eyes, the new samsung lcds are really Bright and dish out some really great " black " black.

while shopping for the westinghouse lcds, I cant help but to look at the samsungs lcds on display.

Sony Bravia XBR LCD's have CCFL backlighting and I think it makes a big difference over their normal Bravia LCD's.

For those that have seen these 46" TV side by side next to a 50" plasma does the 4" make a slight noticeable difference? I originaly was set on a 50" Panny 60U but after finding out there was no PC input or PIP I leaned toward the Samsung 50" plasma but now I stumbled on these 46" LCD so I am leaning in this direction if the picture is as good if not better then a plasma. I just want the size to look impresive in my family room too.

GWAVE: if you intend to use the TV as a PC monitor for anything more than the occasional photo slideshow or maybe some PC video games, then I think you'll be much happier with an LCD than a plasma, even if you lose 4".

I found out the hard way, by buying a 50" plasma and then finding out that it really doesn't cut it as a PC monitor. Plasma TV's, I know now, have a maximum total brightness level (called the "Average Picture Level (APL)") that is much lower than the brightness required by a typical PC screen with a white background. So when a plasma TV tries to display a word processing document, spreadsheet, or browser window with a white background, it can't handle it. To compensate it darkens everything on the screen, turning the white into a muddy gray. Also, as plasma TVs struggle to get all those pixels glowing at maximum brightness, they often create an annoying electronic buzz. And even in the absence of the brightness and noise issues, plasma pixels are much more noticeable from close up than LCD pixels. When watching movies, you'll probably sit far enough away that this doesn't matter. But when you're using it as a PC monitor, I'll bet you'll sit closer and the plasma pixels will bug you. So my advice, if you want your new TV to double as a PC monitor, is to cross plasmas off your list completely.

I came across an article that said new Samsung 1080p LCD tv will not accept 1080p. It will upscale 1080i to 1080p though.
Can anyone in forum confirm this, I have been holding myself from buying westinghouse as it is one of few TV that accepts 1080p in market today.

Great thanks

Link?

I came across an article that said new Samsung 1080p LCD tv will not accept 1080p. It will upscale 1080i to 1080p though.

That's disappointing to hear. I don't understand why companies are releasing new 1080p models that won't accept 1080p via HDMI. Is there much issue with 720p LCDs not accepting 720p via HDMI?

we have to wait and see about this, this means we all have to wait until the manual comes out to download.

googled ln-s4696d and ln-s4096d and came back with mid 3's for 40 and high 3's for the 46. pre order price. also see free shipping

On the product info page, it shows the different formats for component input (480i/480p/720p/1080i) but for HDMI it doesn't show anything (e.g. no 1080p listed) which makes me a bit suspicious that it might not accept 1080p, which is a shame considering that this model seems like it might not include DNIe (no mention of it anywhere, including press release, info page, etc.). Of couse, that's just speculation, just got to wait and see I guess.

For christ's sake it will accept 1080p over HDMI. This is final. Samsung is not retarded. Bluray comes out, and this TV comes out at the same time, and its not a coincidence.

Didnt mean to snap. But if it doesnt include 1080p inputs, Ill take over the mortgage on your house :).

LN-S4696D, LN-S4096D, and LN-S3296D (priced at $4,000, $3,300, and $2,200),
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/29/samsung-shows-off-hdtv-summer-line/

For christ's sake it will accept 1080p over HDMI. This is final. Samsung is not retarded. Bluray comes out, and this TV comes out at the same time, and its not a coincidence.

Didnt mean to snap. But if it doesnt include 1080p inputs, Ill take over the mortgage on your house :).

If that's not a lock guarantee, I don't know what is. :)

The reason why I think that it does not say 1080p on the spec sheet like it says for component is because we all know that HDMI can handle 1080p. What we were unsure of is if component could handle 1080p or not - so they specified component's capabilities.

For christ's sake it will accept 1080p over HDMI. This is final. Samsung is not retarded. Bluray comes out, and this TV comes out at the same time, and its not a coincidence.

Logically, that makes complete sense. But until an official press release or something to that effect comes out saying that it will definitely accept 1080p input from HDMI, I have my doubts. That would be great if true. I am also hoping that Samsung will ditch the high gloss black bezels that they have been using lately. Truly do not like them.

bring them on already! i've been waiting so long...i was ready to get the 4692 but i wanted to see what these are like...it looks like the bottom part of this set is glass, is that righ? on the 92 series it's black but the picture on the 96 series it looks transparent because you can see the pedestal through it. does anyone know? :confused:

bring them on already! i've been waiting so long...i was ready to get the 4692 but i wanted to see what these are like...it looks like the bottom part of this set is glass, is that righ? on the 92 series it's black but the picture on the 96 series it looks transparent because you can see the pedestal through it. does anyone know? :confused:
yes it is glass
http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/LN-S4696D.JPG

Link?

*me awaits too*

Can anybody shed some light on what exactly "92% NTSC Color Gamut" means??
As well as "10Bit Processor with 12.8 Billion Colors"??

thanks

...which is a shame considering that this model seems like it might not include DNIe (no mention of it anywhere, including press release, info page, etc.). Of couse, that's just speculation, just got to wait and see I guess.

...I am also hoping that Samsung will ditch the high gloss black bezels that they have been using lately. Truly do not like them.

If Samsung is sticking with the design they have in the pic MUGEN posted here:

yes it is glass
http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/LN-S4696D.JPG

then it looks like the bezel is more matte than gloss and also the LCD still uses DNIe (even though it hasn't bothered me much in store when demoing the units I still hope it is toggle based in these new ones).

the LCD still uses DNIe (even though it hasn't bothered me much in store when demoing the units I still hope it is toggle based in these new ones).


Proof? Link? Anything?

The Samsung official specs of the 96 series do not mention DNIe in the spec sheet like they do with all of the other TVs which have DNIe. There is a mention of the trademark, but in the actual spec sheet itself, it is conspicuously absent.

I am also hoping that Samsung will ditch the high gloss black bezels that they have been using lately. Truly do not like them.

I agree. Considering how much money goes into the newest AR screen film coatings, I think the high shine perimeter is distracting.

I'm putting my 4096 in a custom cabinet that I'm sinking in the wall like a bathroom medicine cabinet. :)

LN-S4696D, LN-S4096D, and LN-S3296D (priced at $4,000, $3,300, and $2,200),
http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/29/samsung-shows-off-hdtv-summer-line/

BINGO!

That was just written this weekend, it's probably accurate.

*dabs forehead*

I was sweating the rumor the 4096 was coming at $3800.

If the 4096 MSRP is $3300...can't wait to see the street price.

Proof? Link? Anything?



Amazing how much information and disinformation there is.

2 on-line sellers have different MSRPs for the 4096, and one claims it's in stock.

I'm a newbie, so AVS won't let me provide links yet.

I was talking about link to proof that the new models have DNIe, despite it not being listed on the official samsung spec sheets.

At anywhere near $3000 this 40" shoots right to the top of my list. Can't wait to see it.

If these MSRP's for 96 series are correct then they are a bit too close to 92 series & Samsung might have to cut down the MSRP on 92 series to seperate them further.

$500 is pretty small

yes it is glass
http://www.timlarson.com/samsung/LN-S4696D.JPG

Not to nitpick, but it's clear, and it could be plastic like the frame. :p

All I know is it gives me another reason to be psyched. I think it looks cool.

At anywhere near $3000 this 40" shoots right to the top of my list. Can't wait to see it.

No kidding. :)

I see now there's actually 3 HDMI ports.

2 on the back for the cable box and DVD player/burner.

1 on the front for plugging in the PS3 for gaming or that extra special Blu-Ray showing.

I can hardly wait to see those Blu-Ray flicks. I'm going to have a hard time following the storyline.

If these MSRP's for 96 series are correct then they are a bit too close to 92 series & Samsung might have to cut down the MSRP on 92 series to seperate them further.

Hence why its next to impossible to discuss "MSRP Only" with Samsung products.. as there are many different accounts of what these MSRPs really are; Samsung doesn't include them on their website, but Samsung does indicate MAP (minimum Advertised price) in the Price comparison tools, and not even their "authorized" retailers sell at MSRP.. Every 'news' or press release for new Sammys seems to quote a different 'msrp'..

Suffice it to say that a 40" 96 model vs. a 40" 92 model will actually sell for about $1k more. Probably similar difference for 46" models.

Proof? Link? Anything?

The Samsung official specs of the 96 series do not mention DNIe in the spec sheet like they do with all of the other TVs which have DNIe. There is a mention of the trademark, but in the actual spec sheet itself, it is conspicuously absent.
Does the fact that "DNIe" is emblazoned right there on the lower left-hand corner of the bezel count as proof?

Odd they'd leave it out of the spec sheet then.

From what I have read, Samsung is going to have updated video engine to process 1080p resolution much more advanced to display better SD channels.
But at the same time, it is highly likely that this LCD may not accept 1080p for several reasons, first, specs on 1080p over HDMI is not yet finalized. Second, its a LCD TV hence, they usually dont provide DVI. Westinghouse on other hand have categorized as Monitor therefore 2 DVIs to support 1080p.
I think these are the same reason why Sharp has not implemented 1080p input.
Another underlying assumption is that if 1080i signal is properly flagged it is theoretically possible to generate almost exact 1080p.

Please stop. HDMI can take 1080p, even current ones. The reason many dont is because its optional not because it cant currently be done. Also sharp is coming out with a 37inch with 1080p over HDMi this week. So PLEASe no more talk about it having no 1080p inputs, its just sidetracking the thread. It will have 1080p inputs, I bet my left nut on it. :)

But at the same time, it is highly likely that this LCD may not accept 1080p for several reasons, first, specs on 1080p over HDMI is not yet finalized. Second, its a LCD TV hence, they usually dont provide DVI. Westinghouse on other hand have categorized as Monitor therefore 2 DVIs to support 1080p.
I think these are the same reason why Sharp has not implemented 1080p input.
Another underlying assumption is that if 1080i signal is properly flagged it is theoretically possible to generate almost exact 1080p.

That's a lot of theory there. ;)

I'll wait for the manual myself. :p

As for 1080p over HDMI not being finalized,...... it would seem to me that the fact that the timing of 96-series and the Blu-Ray launch is more mere coincidence.

Samsung isn't saying a thing yet, I just tried to pump them for answers a moment ago.

Say, anyone know if the Sammy LCDs will pass dolby-encoded (eg. 5.1) signals thru the Optical Sound out jack that is built into these LCD TVs? I had thought I'd just run an optical audio cable out of the TV to my AVR (with HDMI directly into the TV from Cable box and DVD sources) for when I want 5.1 sound..

BUT, I came across posts in one of the Samsung projection display forums, that these OPtical jacks ONLY transmit 2-channel stereo (no dolby encoding). Is it the same story with their LCDs? and/or is this common amongst manufacturers or just Samsung? This would be a minor bummer, as I'd have to run optical cables out of the Cable Box, DVR, etc.. all separately to the AVR (leading to potential synch issues I would think, no?).

Say, anyone know if the Sammy LCDs will pass dolby-encoded (eg. 5.1) signals thru the Optical Sound out jack that is built into these LCD TVs? I had thought I'd just run an optical audio cable out of the TV to my AVR (with HDMI directly into the TV from Cable box and DVD sources) for when I want 5.1 sound..

BUT, I came across posts in one of the Samsung projection display forums, that these OPtical jacks ONLY transmit 2-channel stereo (no dolby encoding). Is it the same story with their LCDs? and/or is this common amongst manufacturers or just Samsung? This would be a minor bummer, as I'd have to run optical cables out of the Cable Box, DVR, etc.. all separately to the AVR (leading to potential synch issues I would think, no?).
im pretty sure the 5.1 will output threw the optic out, i use it on my sharp and i get 5.1 off of hd channels. but 5.1 threw hdmi and out threw optic out i never tried it but in the future i will have to (PS3)

Hey
Im new when it comes to knowing about LCD, ive gotten a Samsung HLS56 DLP but its postitioned over a fireplace nook and im having viewing angle issues (the tv is not a bright when sitting, but looks fantastic standing up) so ive thought about plasma, but i would have glare issues, so thats lead me to reading about LCD. Can anyone tell me about them (longevity, pro and cons ) I like the Samsung models but i was wondering why they dont make models over 46 inches. Any info would be gladly appreciated.


Thanks

Does the fact that "DNIe" is emblazoned right there on the lower left-hand corner of the bezel count as proof?

That product shot has been around for a while.

It's possible that it is an early PR shot and the shipping product may not have the DNIe logo or functionality.

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The big-screen LCD TV assortment this year features five 32W-inch models, one 37W-inch model, six 40W-inch models, three 46W-inch models, one 52W-inch model and one 57W-inch model.



I haven't heard of any 37" 1080P LCD's besides Sharp or Westinghouse. That would be awesome if Samsung or Sony would make 37"er's because alot of people think that 32" is too small and 40" will not fit in the space some of us have.Has anyone heard that Samsung or Sony will be producing any 1080P LCD's in the next year or so???

Quote:
The big-screen LCD TV assortment this year features five 32W-inch models, one 37W-inch model, six 40W-inch models, three 46W-inch models, one 52W-inch model and one 57W-inch model.



I haven't heard of any 37" 1080P LCD's besides Sharp or Westinghouse. That would be awesome if Samsung or Sony would make 37"er's because alot of people think that 32" is too small and 40" will not fit in the space some of us have.Has anyone heard that Samsung or Sony will be producing any 1080P LCD's in the next year or so???

both of these tv's that are the title of the thread are suppose to accept 1080p and probably the 52" and 57" you listed will do it also. sony has their X series 40" 46" and 52" coming out august/q3

both of these tv's that are the title of the thread are suppose to accept 1080p and probably the 52" and 57" you listed will do it also. sony has their X series 40" 46" and 52" coming out august/q3 I know this, but i am surprised to hear that Samsung is making a new 37" LCD, is this indeed true???

Hey
Im new when it comes to knowing about LCD, ive gotten a Samsung HLS56 DLP but its postitioned over a fireplace nook and im having viewing angle issues (the tv is not a bright when sitting, but looks fantastic standing up) so ive thought about plasma, but i would have glare issues, so thats lead me to reading about LCD. Can anyone tell me about them (longevity, pro and cons ) I like the Samsung models but i was wondering why they dont make models over 46 inches. Any info would be gladly appreciated.


Thanks

Hi Athens,

The 2 LCDs being discussed in the thread are very bright sets (6000:1) with improved viewing angles and most importantly, they boast true HDTV 1920 X 1080 2 million + pixel count.

The HLS56 is 1280 X 720 at 2500 : 1, so you'd see some real improvement.

You mentioned glare. Please don't tell me the wife has been cleaning the TV's screen with Windex. :eek:

If so, your DLP's AR coating is shot.

These new sets promise to have the very best Anti-Reflective (AR) coatings. Remember, never let any cleaning products anywhere near your AR screen, just plain water!

These coatings are actually a sandwich of 800 layers of film, very high tech stuff.

Snob alert: If you use a Maid, place a post it note on the frame of your TV "Please don not clean, thank you."

As for longevity, these LCDs will outlive me probably ;) and the new Plasmas also have tremendous lifetimes.

The only reason we're not seeing a 96-series true 1080p HDTV LCD is cost. A 56" with these specs would be very expensive.

If I were you, I'd consider mounting an LCD or Plasma with a slight tilt downwards to the viewers.

AND you tell your guests it's an HDTV, and you'll mean it. :D

BUT, I came across posts in one of the Samsung projection display forums, that these OPtical jacks ONLY transmit 2-channel stereo (no dolby encoding). Is it the same story with their LCDs?

Can you post a link to that discussion? I can't imagine this would be the case. These Samsungs have ATSC tuners, and the optical out jacks would primarily be for sending a DD5.1 signal from OTA HD sources to your reciever. If the toslink downsamples to pcm there would be no way to get 5.1 from live broadcasts.

Can you post a link to that discussion? I can't imagine this would be the case. These Samsungs have ATSC tuners, and the optical out jacks would primarily be for sending a DD5.1 signal from OTA HD sources to your reciever. If the toslink downsamples to pcm there would be no way to get 5.1 from live broadcasts.

here's some of the related posts.. where I posted similar questions there:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7743356#post7743356

however, it does appear from reading, that OTA 5.1 would transmit thru the optical out, but 5.1 that comes in via HDMI would NOT. I'm kinda confused on the reasons...

Can you post a link to that discussion? I can't imagine this would be the case. These Samsungs have ATSC tuners, and the optical out jacks would primarily be for sending a DD5.1 signal from OTA HD sources to your reciever. If the toslink downsamples to pcm there would be no way to get 5.1 from live broadcasts.

my sammy 30" tube tv outputs dolby digital on it opitical audio out jack.

my sammy 30" tube tv outputs dolby digital on it opitical audio out jack.

But what is carrying the signal into your tube TV ? I think the issue is only when the original incoming signal into the TV is via HDMI.

But what is carrying the signal into your tube TV ? I think the issue is only when the original incoming signal into the TV is via HDMI.

sorry my bad, I should of read your orignal post not a quote of it. I was just talking about ATSC tuner output. I am running opitical output from multiple sources to my amp.

the samsung 96 looks nice, but it doesn't look as nice as the new westy 47:

Samsung 46:
$4,799 MSRP
response time is only 8ms
6000:1 contrast ration
1 component input

Westy 47
$3,200 MSRP
6.5 ms response time
1200:1 contrast ratio
2 component inputs

so other than the better contrast ratio why would I get the samsung?

is the 6000:1 that much better than the 1200:1 that it makes up for worse response time, 1 inch smaller screen, and $1,600 more!?

Quote:
The big-screen LCD TV assortment this year features five 32W-inch models, one 37W-inch model, six 40W-inch models, three 46W-inch models, one 52W-inch model and one 57W-inch model.


I haven't heard of any 37" 1080P LCD's besides Sharp or Westinghouse. That would be awesome if Samsung or Sony would make 37"er's because alot of people think that 32" is too small and 40" will not fit in the space some of us have.Has anyone heard that Samsung or Sony will be producing any 37" 1080P LCD's in the next year or so???

contaygious,

The magic of the latest generation of Samsung's is the wide color gamut (>92% of the NTSC space). THAT is the statistic you should worry about, not the pissant difference in response time. And the dynamic contrast ratio business is just heinous nonsense to make the dummies among us think that 6000:1 is 5 times better than 1200:1. Forget it - find out the color gamut of the 47 westy before you lay your money down!

the samsung 96 looks nice, but it doesn't look as nice as the new westy 47:

Samsung 46:
$4,799 MSRP
response time is only 8ms
6000:1 contrast ration
1 component input

Westy 47
$3,200 MSRP
6.5 ms response time
1200:1 contrast ratio
2 component inputs

so other than the better contrast ratio why would I get the samsung?

is the 6000:1 that much better than the 1200:1 that it makes up for worse response time, 1 inch smaller screen, and $1,600 more!?

you have some facts wrong on the samsung. the 46" has 7000:1 contrast and is $4,000 msrp. 1.5ms response time deference :rolleyes: 2 HDMI is more useful than 2 component.

samsung 46"
92% color gamut
10-bit processor with 12.8 billion colors
178 degree viewing angle

westinghouse 47"
75% color gamut
16.7 Million colors
176 degree viewing angle

thanks! I read from another post that you need 2 hdmi inputs, but couldn't i somehow hook up ps3 and hdmi cable eventually through one? kinda like how i have my ps2/xbox/gamecube all going through the same s video?

westy 47 is Color Gamut 75% NTSC is that good? i am a noob haha

oh its 4k now, i was going off the msrp on the first post.....still 4k predicted vs 3100 for westy .......

and i was about to get the 42 westy for 2100 now i'm discussing 3100 vs 4k lol....twice as much as I meant to spend.....not sure i can justify 4k for 2 hdmi and 4 inches bigger than the 42 westy grrrrrrrrr

Quote:
The big-screen LCD TV assortment this year features five 32W-inch models, one 37W-inch model, six 40W-inch models, three 46W-inch models, one 52W-inch model and one 57W-inch model.


I haven't heard of any 37" 1080P LCD's besides Sharp or Westinghouse. That would be awesome if Samsung or Sony would make 37"er's because alot of people think that 32" is too small and 40" will not fit in the space some of us have.Has anyone heard that Samsung or Sony will be producing any 37" 1080P LCD's in the next year or so???
sorry 26" 32" 40" 46" 52" 57" are the new standard for sony and samsung. if you can't fit a 40" in, then make room for it :o

anyone have more info/links on the 52" sammy lcds? i wanted a 50" plasmas but now considering the 4696...but if a 52" is coming out... :D

dayum the color difference is huge bw samsung and westy!!!! Maybe i can compromise by gettin the 40 inch sammy over the 42 westy. what's the latest msrp of the 40 inch sammy?

42 westy is 2300 in store and if the 40 sammy is like 3k then im going to want to get the 47 westy :confused:

My brother has the 37" Westy. There are 2 things he's unsatisfied with, the intermittent lockup problem and the poor black levels. You would think Westinghouse would resolve those issues with the 47" but you never know. I would definitely go see the set in person before ordering one. One other point you may or may not care about, the Westy is a monitor not a TV (no tuners).

Personally, I'm leaning towards getting the Samsung. I'd rather pay $2K more and get something that I'm going to be happy with. The tough decision is going to be do I buy the Samsung when it comes out or wait until the fall to see what Sharp and Sony have up their sleeves.

thanks....with comcast box it doesn't matter about a tuner though i guess so i don't see why people still care if a tv has a tuner or not....i will just have to wait and see the samsung and westy side by side to see how much better the colors are on the samsung. Hopefully they come out mid june.

thanks! I read from another post that you need 2 hdmi inputs, but couldn't i somehow hook up ps3 and hdmi cable eventually through one? kinda like how i have my ps2/xbox/gamecube all going through the same s video?



You're going to want your cable TV on one HDMI jack, a DVD Recorder-Burner on the other jack, and the PS3 with Blu-Ray on a third jack.

The 96 series Samsung has you covered. With two jacks on the back and one on the front, I'm going to put the PS3 on the front plug for the occasional gaming and Blu-Ray viewing.

2 HDMI is more useful than 2 component.




Doesn't the 96 series have 3 HDMI jacks?

2 on the back, 1 on the front? :)

no it only has 2 in the back

i have 3251 connected with optical cable. It dos get 5.1 sound

no it only has 2 in the back

Drat. More bad information out there. Sorry to drag it in here.

That product shot has been around for a while.

It's possible that it is an early PR shot and the shipping product may not have the DNIe logo or functionality.

What's the big bugaboo over DNIe ?

Can't one choose to enable it, or not?

Isn't it like the "Movie Mode" choice in my 1st generation Sony plasma?

some good and bad news. samsung now lists the 57" on their site, after looking at the manual you can turn dnie off and on but i see nothing about 1080p input threw hdmi in the manual, i only see 1920x1080@60hz for pc input.

You're going to want your cable TV on one HDMI jack, a DVD Recorder-Burner on the other jack, and the PS3 with Blu-Ray on a third jack.

The 96 series Samsung has you covered. With two jacks on the back and one on the front, I'm going to put the PS3 on the front plug for the occasional gaming and Blu-Ray viewing.

why would i want a dvd burner/recorder? couldn't i just have one cable/tivo hdmi and one ps3 hdmi?


Why couldn't I just get a box that plugs into the hdmi and gives me more inputs? I only have one component input on my current tv but I have ps2/gamecube/xbox, hd cable, and dvd player all plugged into it at once......so what's the big deal with multiple hdmi slots? don't you all have a surround sound tuner that you go through anyway?

some good and bad news. samsung now lists the 57" on their site, after looking at the manual you can turn dnie off and on but i see nothing about 1080p input threw hdmi in the manual, i only see 1920x1080@60hz for pc input.Still no 52, and no cablecard on the 57 :( :( .

i hope it can do 1920 on hdmi for pc as well. VGA would just be.....meh.
pc input is ok on lcd is not as clear. if it can take pc through hdmi it would rock. easy hdmi to dvi converter.

crossing fingers it does this. if not...westinghouse for me which already does 1080p on 6 inputs. I cant believe it's been over 1 year since the westinghouse 42" lcd was released, yet nobody can take that away from them yet.

I purchased a 42 inch Westy 3 weeks ago and had to return it because it had an issue with not turning on unless I unplugged it and it was getting worse by the day. Other than that it had a beautiful picture. I am definitely hooked on the 1080P LCD Monnitor now. After seeing the specs on the new 46 inch Samsung 1080P. I will wait to see it before purchasing anything else.

some good and bad news. samsung now lists the 57" on their site, after looking at the manual you can turn dnie off and on but i see nothing about 1080p input threw hdmi in the manual, i only see 1920x1080@60hz for pc input.

Is that also a 96-series unit?

Could you call 800-samsung and find out what's up?

*asking you since you'll do a better job that me prolly*

why would i want a dvd burner/recorder? couldn't i just have one cable/tivo hdmi and one ps3 hdmi?


Why couldn't I just get a box that plugs into the hdmi and gives me more inputs? I only have one component input on my current tv but I have ps2/gamecube/xbox, hd cable, and dvd player all plugged into it at once......so what's the big deal with multiple hdmi slots? don't you all have a surround sound tuner that you go through anyway?

1 - Just to burn discs and free up space on the TiVo, or HDD. In my case, I clog up the HDD with too many old Star Trek and Columbo episodes. :)

2 - I'll can't answer that. I haven't heard if there's any signal degradation or not with a HDMI splitter. I do have to wonder considering companies aren't putting multiple HDMI and Component Inputs on these new sets for no reason.

Still no 52, and no cablecard on the 57 :( :( .
the 52" should be coming soon since they have the 57 already up, yep no cable card.

Is that also a 96-series unit?

Could you call 800-samsung and find out what's up?

*asking you since you'll do a better job that me prolly*
the 57" is a 97 series. you can call them, they won't bite :rolleyes:

FYI, I just received an email response from Samsung to the effect that "we no longer include the TVGuide feature in our units."

.. but it was confirmed that there is a cable-card slot.. Now, how to find out what's on and when on 200 or so channels ??

And.. back to the Optical Out jack on the 96 models and whether they carry dolby signals.. any thoughts as to whether if signal comes into the TV via cable card, whether optical out would carry dolby? Is there any of the same sort of handshake issues with cable cards and audio signals as there apparently are with HDMI inputs?

FYI, I just received an email response from Samsung to the effect that "we no longer include the TVGuide feature in our units."

.. but it was confirmed that there is a cable-card slot.. Now, how to find out what's on and when on 200 or so channels ??

And.. back to the Optical Out jack on the 96 models and whether they carry dolby signals.. any thoughts as to whether if signal comes into the TV via cable card, whether optical out would carry dolby? Is there any of the same sort of handshake issues with cable cards and audio signals as there apparently are with HDMI inputs?
the 40 and 46" 96 series will probably have cable cards but the 57" does not.

some good and bad news. samsung now lists the 57" on their site, after looking at the manual you can turn dnie off and on but i see nothing about 1080p input threw hdmi in the manual, i only see 1920x1080@60hz for pc input.

Hi Mugen,

I just got off the phone with level 2 tech support at Samsung. The dudes at level 1 didn't have the answer and they wanted my quesry ticket to have the notation on it from level 2 so they had the answer to tell other caller.

YES! The LN-S5797D, according to level 2, is 1080p input via HDMI, 1080i input via Component.

...and of course, YES! the same for the 2 sets on the thread.

the LN-S5797D is 10k msrp lol dayum why so much?


is it really worth 7k more than the westy 47?

One more tidbit.. regarding audio out to an AVR:

"Important: The AV audio out jacks on your TV work only if the video source you choose is attached to the RF (Air In or Antenna), AV (AV In), or S-Video In jacks. The AV audio out jacks will not work if your source is attached to the Component, DVI, or HDMI input jacks. For example, if you have a set top box attached to your TV through the Component in jacks, you will not be able to play the audio from the set top box through a stereo attached to the AV Out jack."

..bummer..

For christ's sake it will accept 1080p over HDMI. This is final. Samsung is not retarded. Bluray comes out, and this TV comes out at the same time, and its not a coincidence.

Didnt mean to snap. But if it doesnt include 1080p inputs, Ill take over the mortgage on your house :).

Hey Necro,

Level 2 support at Samsung say the 2006 sets all have 1080p in for HDMI, and 1080i in for Component.

The dude was positive.

the 40 and 46" 96 series will probably have cable cards but the 57" does not.

Level 2 support at samsung said the delay in the 4096 and 4696 was the cable card only.

Something about the standards regarding the cable card.

That's it. otherwise, they are ready to rock.

the LN-S5797D is 10k msrp lol dayum why so much?


is it really worth 7k more than the westy 47?
$10,000 is a lot cheaper than $15,000 for the sharp 57" and atleast the samsung accepts 1080p, atleast from what Cocteau got from support

$10,000 is a lot cheaper than $15,000 for the sharp 57" and atleast the samsung accepts 1080p, atleast from what Cocteau got from support

These Koreans can make one heck of a TV, but they don't know zip about writting a manual. ;)

Samsung level 2 said the "pre-release sheet" tells them more than the manual.

The Specifications section of the manual is pretty pathetic.

But yes, they were very firm about the 2006 sets being 1080p in for HDMI, but not for Component, that's 1080i.

With all the disinformation out there, you were right to say I should call Samsung support. However, I was lucky. I got a guy at level 1 who had already been asked about 1080p in a few times, and he wanted the right answer to tell others.

Just gotta be very polite with the techs, and hope you get a good one.

Level 2 support at samsung said the delay in the 4096 and 4696 was the cable card only.

Something about the standards regarding the cable card.

That's it. otherwise, they are ready to rock.

How long of a delay for 4696 did they say? Is it still in June?

How long of a delay for 4696 did they say? Is it still in June?

They are still saying in June, but they have changed those dates before.

I'm DYING for June, for a number of reasons.

Hey guys! I just checked the Samsung site and now they have the 4095d and the 4695d. Both seem identical to the 4096d and 4696d models however the new 5d models accept 1080p via component cables. If anyone can tell me the differences in these two models, by all means.

That's really weird. It doesn't say new on the TVs, and Google does not return any results from the TVs. The few differences (besides 1080p by component) I have found are:

1.The 96 has a dymnamic contrast ratio of 7000:1 where the 95 is 6000:1.
2. The 96 is "Digital Cable Ready (DCR) tuner with CableCard slot." I did not see that for the 95.
3. The 95 spec sheet lists DNIe where the 96 does not.
4. The 96 has "RS232C(portable audio compatibility)" and I do not see this for the 95.
5. The 95 has a "clock on/off timer.

I just now noticed the difference in the contrast ratio on the 46 inch models. I also tried to search google but came up with nothing. Hopefully there will be more info soon, such as price and scheduled release date.

Change the 0 to o in com.

Sony.c0m/2006TV

I wonder what the price on the new sony is going to be.

Hey guys! I just checked the Samsung site and now they have the 4095d and the 4695d. Both seem identical to the 4096d and 4696d models however the new 5d models accept 1080p via component cables. If anyone can tell me the differences in these two models, by all means.

Where do you see the 95-series accepts 1080p via component?

I just spoke with Samsung yesterday, and they said the 96-series, theoretically the newest and most updated series, accepts 1080p via HDMI but only 1080i via component.

There isn't a manual yet.

Can you show me a link? Thanks.

That's really weird. It doesn't say new on the TVs, and Google does not return any results from the TVs. The few differences (besides 1080p by component) I have found are:

1.The 96 has a dymnamic contrast ratio of 7000:1 where the 95 is 6000:1.
2. The 96 is "Digital Cable Ready (DCR) tuner with CableCard slot." I did not see that for the 95.
3. The 95 spec sheet lists DNIe where the 96 does not.
4. The 96 has "RS232C(portable audio compatibility)" and I do not see this for the 95.
5. The 95 has a "clock on/off timer.

This is odd.

All I can surmise is that Samsung said yesterday that the DCR was *the* hold-up for the 96-series, so they have popped out this 95-series with ATSC.

As far as I know, there has not been a 95-series at any of the trade shows like CMS. It looks like a stop-gap, and it makes me think the 96-series will be further delayed.

Given that my family is addicted to the recording funtionality of our cable box, I wasn't going to use the DCR anyhow. If all else is equal, and I'll call Samsung when they open up this morning, I may jump on this 95-series 40" er.

Where do you see the 95-series accepts 1080p via component?

I just spoke with Samsung yesterday, and they said the 96-series, theoretically the newest and most updated series, accepts 1080p via HDMI but only 1080i via component.

There isn't a manual yet.

Can you show me a link? Thanks.

From the samsung website, it shows under the specifications for the 4095: Component (Y/Pb/Pr) in 2(480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p), which presumably means that there are 2 component inputs that accept up to 1080p, which is odd b/c my understanding was the component can only handle up to 1080i due to actual physical limitations of the cables.

I remember looking on the site a week ago or so and thought there was already a 4095 tv that was listed as "new" but that looked different than this model, in that it had a rounded base and the glass bezel thing on the bottom was black instead. All I care about is having two HDMIs that accept native 1080p data, and a non-piano black cabinet would be a plus for me.

Cocteau,
Just go to the samsung's website, select the model LN-S4095D and at the top rigth corner click on the download specsheet. You'll find all the info on it.
Leos98

Impetigo,
You have been misinformed, RG6 Quad shielded is well capable of carring 1080p as well as any other coax rated at 3GHz.
Leos98

Impetigo,
You have been misinformed, RG6 Quad shielded is well capable of carring 1080p as well as any other coax rated at 3GHz.
Leos98

Ah, good to know. So it will be good to have the components for 1080p sets afterall. Thanks for the info.

That is why I would like to return my KDL-V40XBR1 and get that samsung 4095D and at that point I'll be happy foe many years to come.
Leos98

the 96 series is still the top of the line samsung. you might be able to turn DNIE off in the menus as shown in the 57" model.

Cocteau,
Just go to the samsung's website, select the model LN-S4095D and at the top rigth corner click on the download specsheet. You'll find all the info on it.
Leos98

I see it now, thanks.

I'm bafffled.

The 4095D says up to 1080p component.

The 4096D says only up to 1080i component.

Samsung confirmed this with me.

But the 4096D is the flagship. I'm lost.

Okay Kids,

I spoke to Samsung again today.

They know very little about why this 95-series was launched, but they did give me the MSRPs and they are HIGHER than the prices being bandied arounf on the 96-series.

4095D - $3999

4695D - $4999

So without DCR, the price is more?

Both the 95 and 96 series are both due in June, although my suspicion is the 96 will be pushed out due to issues I was told about by Samsung with the DCR.

Small potatos, but the bottom of the 95 looks like it's solid silver, and the 96 is clear.

MUGEN: What do you recommend? Wait for the 96? I don't need the cable card at all.

Frankly, I don't know which is coming earlier yet.

There were prior posts (not sure if it was within this thread), but for some reason got deleted, by a supposed Best Buy employee who had indicated that the 4095 is the model number that Best Buy has in their inventory system. So the 4095 *might* be a Best-Buy specific model (like the Pioneer 4361 is, when all other places sell the 4360).

Anyone wanna call Best Buy and ask them to look up? and also see if they have the 4096?

I remember looking on the site a week ago or so and thought there was already a 4095 tv that was listed as "new" but that looked different than this model, in that it had a rounded base and the glass bezel thing on the bottom was black instead. All I care about is having two HDMIs that accept native 1080p data, and a non-piano black cabinet would be a plus for me.

Samsung said today the 4095D had 2 HDMI in at 1080p, the satin black bezel, but it's $3999 MSRP.

Ack!

That should mean the 4069D with DCR would top $4000.

I'm rapidly being priced out now if this is true.

MUGEN saw $3300 for the 4096D from a pretty credible site last week that saw the 96-series on display at a trade show in NYC.

Absolutely no talk of the 95-series last week.

Google gives zero responses for LNS4095D.

:confused:

it depends on what size tv you want. if you want 40" then go with the 95 series, if you want a 46" go with the 96 series for 7000:1 contrast and cable card.

we have to wait and see about the prices.
46" LN-S4696D ($4,799 MSRP) and the 40" LN-S4096D ($4,099 MSRP

There were prior posts (not sure if it was within this thread), but for some reason got deleted, by a supposed Best Buy employee who had indicated that the 4095 is the model number that Best Buy has in their inventory system. So the 4095 *might* be a Best-Buy specific model (like the Pioneer 4361 is, when all other places sell the 4360).

Anyone wanna call Best Buy and ask them to look up? and also see if they have the 4096?

Why would Samsung.com put up a Best Buy specific TV on their site?

This whole things is crackers.

Samsung pre-sales is totally uninformed as to this change.

4095D MSRP is $3,999. If it is a Best Buy TV, that's gotta be the most expensive 40" they'll have on the floor.

it depends on what size tv you want. if you want 40" then go with the 95 series, if you want a 46" go with the 96 series for 7000:1 contrast and cable card.

we have to wait and see about the prices.

Okay.

But I don't yet know if the 95-series or the 96-series rolls out first.

One should probably wait to see the MSRPs on both series.

The resale value of the ATSC unit would be lower, right? I mean, in the coming years, it will all be DCR Tuners built it, right?

It also bugs me that this 95-series was never profiled at the trade shows.

I'm also a little attached to that clear lip on the 96-series. :cool:

Guys, nice investigative research.

No "DCR" implies no cable card and no QAM tuner for the 95 series, right? Even if I don't care about cable card, the QAM tuner might be worth waiting for.

Why would Samsung.com put up a Best Buy specific TV on their site?

4095D MSRP is $3,999. If it is a Best Buy TV, that's gotta be the most expensive 40" they'll have on the floor.

Why, so people considering this model can look info up on Samsung's site about it, download manuals, find support questions, etc...

Forget MSRPs.. they're meaningless... find out what the selling price is when they actually hit the shelves.. or even use the "Compare Models" tool on Samsung's site to see what they indicate is the Minimum Advertised Price... MSRPs are simply a way of adding cache to an item, and creating a "wow, I gotta great deal" environment when purchasers buy for so much less...

Guys, nice investigative research.

No "DCR" implies no cable card and no QAM tuner for the 95 series, right? Even if I don't care about cable card, the QAM tuner might be worth waiting for.

I hear you.

And as for resale value..... the 95 series w/o DCR would look like a 2005 model, right?