The Descent, When is going to be available? [Text View]

Edil

04-14-06, 06:39 PM

hays0023

04-14-06, 10:15 PM

I just watched this the other day and it ROCKED! This is what The Cave should have been.

Airboss

04-14-06, 11:11 PM

Does anybody know the relesed date in the U.S. for the DVD of the movie The Descent?

Amazon have it listed but no price info is available and I can not add it to my shopping cart.

IMDB The Descent (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0435625/)
Amazon - The Descent (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A8NZ0O/ref=pd_rhf_p_1/102-7156925-6624946?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130)

I bought a copy on e-Bay, the 2 disc DTS version, best horror movie I've seen in quite awhile. From what I've read US release will be sometime around August, don't know how true that is though.

JayF

04-15-06, 09:50 AM

I just read in Premiere that it will be released in theaters sometime this summer, so the DVD probably won't be available until at least October I'm guessing. If your player can accept an import it would be worth it... I've seen new copies for around $20 which is well worth it for this GREAT horror flick.

oink

04-15-06, 07:04 PM

I just read in Premiere that it will be released in theaters sometime this summer, so the DVD probably won't be available until at least October I'm guessing.

I was under the impression this was released in U.S. last summer and didn't do much because of confusion with The Cave???? :confused:

Is the PAL version the only one available?

TekWorm

04-16-06, 02:24 AM

I was under the impression this was released in U.S. last summer and didn't do much because of confusion with The Cave???? :confused:

Is the PAL version the only one available?

Guess so...
I have the PAL 2-disc .... awesome.

Got it here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000A8NZ0O/qid=1145168711/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_11_2/203-7855434-9970364

Word around is it will be release in U.S. sometime this Summer, but will be edited including approx. 15min. cut from ending, to soften it (read: butcher it) for U.S. consumption.

Airboss

04-16-06, 09:47 AM

Emaych

04-16-06, 11:37 AM

So, anything worth listening to in/on that soundtrack?

Edil

04-17-06, 12:33 AM

Here's a Region 1 version, but it does not have the DTS soundtrack.

The Descent (http://cgi.*********/THE-DESCENT-2-DVD-UNCUT-SPECIAL-EDITION-BRITISH-HORROR_W0QQitemZ9126577413QQcategoryZ617QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem )

Airboss, that link didn't work.

Wierd Netflix and Blockbuster doesn't have the movie listed.

bosng

04-20-06, 02:09 AM

saw this recently and this movie rocks hard!!! ha ha no pun intended.
that spanish girl should get her own movie.

Airboss

04-20-06, 06:17 AM

Airboss, that link didn't work.

Wierd Netflix and Blockbuster doesn't have the movie listed.

Sorry, it's a link to e-Bay, just do a search on e-Bay for "The Descent". You should find the Region 1 version (from a seller in Canada) and the Region 2 version with DTS from a seller in the UK. I ordered mine from the UK, arrived very quickly.

oink

04-27-06, 02:55 AM

Really good horror flick...leaves The Cave in the dark. :eek:

Ordered the 2-disk DTS PAL version from Amazon UK.
Excellent sound...video is good enough (for PAL).

Tried to watch with the wife this evening...BAD idea...she wouldn't stop jumping and screaming!
Finally, she got so bad I had to send her to bed (it was really scary, he-he). ;)
And so, in summary, if you like good scares this movie is for you (just don't bring a date). :D

PooperScooper

07-01-06, 10:09 PM

While looking for the Luc Besson action flick I came across the 2-disc special edtion of The Descent (PAL/R2) for about $13.00. This movie is awesome. I loved it. The sound is quite good (I listened to DTS) and the PQ is excellent. Footage in the dark cave comes across very well. I read a review that said the average bitrate is 8.25 Mb/s. I HATE the thought of being in a cave and crawling around tunnels you can barely squeeze through. I gives me the heebie jeebies. I held my breath for about half the movie. :)

larry

oink

07-02-06, 01:57 AM

Larry,

I was wondering when you would get to this (after realizing you are a Horror-Fan). :)
I'm with you in every way...this has to be one of the scariest movies ever.
The older I get, the more claustrophobic I get (no idea why).
Next to sharks, being stuck in a tunnel...oh god, can't even go there. :eek:

mrhan

07-04-06, 02:44 PM

Wasn't there a third movie within the last year similar to The Cave and Descent? Anyways, after all the rave reviews of Descent I think I will blind buy the R2 version.

PooperScooper

07-04-06, 04:03 PM

I can't think of any other cave or underground movies recently. You won't be disappointed with The Descent.

larry

mrhan

07-04-06, 05:02 PM

I can't think of any other cave or underground movies recently. You won't be disappointed with The Descent.

larry

Larry,

It was bothering me so I did a search and found it. It's called the Cavern (duh) and it's set for release on the 18th of this month. It's original title is Within.
Here's the info on IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0451262/

AL

PooperScooper

07-04-06, 05:19 PM

Larry,

It was bothering me so I did a search and found it. It's called the Cavern (duh) and it's set for release on the 18th of this month. It's original title is Within.
Here's the info on IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0451262/

ALNo wonder I haven't seen it. :) Don't know if I'll go out of my way to see this one. (Buy it) The review didn't speak that well of it, except for the ending. The Cave was ok, but The Descent is head and shoulders above it.

oink

07-04-06, 05:21 PM

Larry,

It was bothering me so I did a search and found it. It's called the Cavern (duh) and it's set for release on the 18th of this month. It's original title is Within.

IMDB shows 2 runtimes of 95 and 87 minutes.
Amazon shows the R1 release with a runtime of 72 minutes? :confused:

PooperScooper

07-04-06, 09:14 PM

One more recent underground movie - looks like a dud: Caved In http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EHQ7XI/qid=1152061969/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/104-1824995-0807100?n=130

larry

mrhan

07-04-06, 10:11 PM

Well, I'll watch it if I accidently catch it on Sci-Fi channel but with Sci-Fi Channel movies record of making lame flicks it's most likely bad. As for Cavern, I put it on my Netflix Queue just to see whatever cool ending is on it.

mrhan

07-08-06, 02:29 AM

Descent is going to be released theatrically on August 4th. The trailer has been airing on NBC recently.

IrmoGamecoq

07-10-06, 10:10 AM

Descent is going to be released theatrically on August 4th. The trailer has been airing on NBC recently.

Yeah, I saw the trailer over the weekend too...I think on Spike TV. This was the first time I saw it anywhere but on this computer monitor, and I gotta say, the movie looks like it could be great.

Don't like all this talk about the US getting a "toned down" version though. :mad:

oink

07-10-06, 02:10 PM

Amazon in the UK has an excellent PAL version available.

yankeeman

07-10-06, 09:08 PM

Don't like all this talk about the US getting a "toned down" version though. :mad:

I dont either, its a bunch of crap, and it happens on a lot of movies. When this comes out in dvd, I will wait and hope that it ultimately will be released in an unrated version that will not be toned down.

oink

07-11-06, 01:04 AM

Yankeeman,

See my last post. ;)

IrmoGamecoq

07-11-06, 10:21 AM

Amazon in the UK has an excellent PAL version available.

Am I missing something, or don't you have to have a certain kind of DVD player to play that?

PooperScooper

07-11-06, 10:44 AM

You need a region-free player and a player that converts PAL to NTSC (can be so-so) or outputs the PAL video. If you're TV only accepts 60Hz video, then you have to convert PAL to NTSC. Some players can be made region free with a magic button sequence on the remote.

larry

mrhan

07-11-06, 10:50 AM

Am I missing something, or don't you have to have a certain kind of DVD player to play that?

You can walk into Walmart and get one for $30. Even Target and Costco carries players you can hack to become region free. Check out this site for more info. and brands that you can convert to region free.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks

IrmoGamecoq

07-11-06, 10:54 AM

Okay, thanks guys.

Dave Mack

07-12-06, 03:29 AM

There are currently 3 versions of the Descent available on Amazon UK!!!! A 2 disc version from last year. 2 new versions as of March, a 1 disc version and a 2 disc SE. Which is the best?
The new 2 disc SE is 1/2 the price of the older 2 disc and the one disc is REAL cheap. I am PAL native compatable so want the best AV...

Thanks! d

PooperScooper

07-12-06, 07:06 AM

The latest 2 disc SE (I assume), especially for the price. I don't think there were different transfers, but you may want to hit DVD-basen to check a few reviews to make sure. The latest 2-disc SE PQ is tough to beat.

larry

oink

07-12-06, 12:15 PM

Dave Mack

07-12-06, 06:23 PM

Cool. What was the point in having the newer SE though?!?! Has a different cover.
Cheaper though! :)

Dave Mack

07-12-06, 06:24 PM

hmm.. NO reviews for The Descent in R2....

PooperScooper

07-12-06, 07:50 PM

I have the R2 SE, it's great!

http://www.dvd-basen.dk/uk/home.php3?search=descent&land=%25&ok=go&mvis=ok&region=2

larry

Nathan_R

07-13-06, 10:47 AM

I watched the R2 PAL SE last night-- the reviews and user comments from the net are correct in my opinion: this is easily the best horror film in recent memory. "The Descent" is everything and more that I wanted "The Cave" to be.

Dave Mack

07-13-06, 01:20 PM

Cool! I just read that they changed the ending for the US release. I'm gonna order today...

:)

PooperScooper

07-13-06, 01:30 PM

Cool! I just read that they changes the ending for the US release. I'm gonna order today...

:) You gotta be kidding... I can just imagine what they'll do too. Truly sad, truly sad.

larry

IrmoGamecoq

07-13-06, 01:48 PM

Wow, that's the kind of talk I didn't want to hear...

I guess I just have to decide if it's worth it to pay $30+ for a region-free hackable DVD player and then the $20 or so for the DVD itself...$50+ in all...just to see this movie in it's original form.

I don't watch a lot of foreign films that aren't available here (any, actually)...so this would be more a one-shot purchase. Probably not worth it.

PooperScooper

07-13-06, 02:00 PM

mrhan

07-13-06, 03:45 PM

Dave Mack

07-13-06, 03:52 PM

Region Free is the ONLY way to go. One reason I am wary to jump into HDdvd. I have quite a few PAL discs and R2 Japan discs...

Nathan_R

07-13-06, 04:12 PM

You gotta be kidding... I can just imagine what they'll do too. Truly sad, truly sad.

larry

According to IMDB, they shortened the ending, if you catch my drift.

PooperScooper

07-13-06, 04:38 PM

According to IMDB, they shortened the ending, if you catch my drift.
Yup. I hear ya loud and clear. :) Pity.

larry

PooperScooper

07-13-06, 04:40 PM

When I went region free 6 years ago a friend said to me, "Welcome to the real world". Never looked back and let the region coding dictate when or what I can watch. :)

EDIT:

Larry,

Battle Royale is now available at Netflix and for purchase at a store chain called Hot Topic.

ALI've had Battle Royale for a while. That's why I knew to mention it. Same for Casshern. I don't have that many non-R1 DVDs, but it's nice to be able to play them when the need arises.

larry

IrmoGamecoq

07-13-06, 04:50 PM

Well, once you get a region free player you can get Casshern, Battle Royale, the remastered Phantasm "Orb" collection, and many other movies that aren't available in R0. There are some excellent movies not made in the US. Expand your horizons. :)

larry

I see your point, but that's not a good list to tempt me (I do have Battle Royale coming from Netflix).

While I do enjoy the occasional foreign film, almost all of the obscure ones I've been persuaded to try out have been disappointing, so I don't imagine it would be that different with the *really* obscure ones (i.e. ones that don't get a US release).

Besides, I've got a list a mile-long of movies waiting to be watched (via Netflix, the library, etc) so I'm probably good for awhile anyway.

This Descent stuff is disturbing though. I guess what we can hope for is an "unrated" version of the DVD that doesn't contain the US theatrical release.

Nathan_R

07-13-06, 05:44 PM

I see your point, but that's not a good list to tempt me (I do have Battle Royale coming from Netflix).

While I do enjoy the occasional foreign film, almost all of the obscure ones I've been persuaded to try out have been disappointing, so I don't imagine it would be that different with the *really* obscure ones (i.e. ones that don't get a US release).

Besides, I've got a list a mile-long of movies waiting to be watched (via Netflix, the library, etc) so I'm probably good for awhile anyway.

This Descent stuff is disturbing though. I guess what we can hope for is an "unrated" version of the DVD that doesn't contain the US theatrical release.

Well, while we're listing off reasons to go region-free, there's also a ton of English movies with DTS tracks-- Alien Quadilogy, Heat, Blade, SoTL, Ronin, ID4, etc. from R2 NTSC-land. The Japanese Ultimate Editions always rock.

If you liked Shaun of the Dead, I highly recommend "Spaced," a three-season British sitcom, written and starring the crew from Shaun. Due to rights issues, Spaced will probably NEVER see the light of day in the states.

I also recommend "Taxi" (no, not the Jimmy Fallon crap), produced by Luc Besson, as a fun little non-R1 gem.

mrhan

07-13-06, 07:41 PM

IrmoGamecoq,

Here's a suggestion for you. Buy the $30 player. Don't buy any other region DVDs and just join Nicheflix. Almost every DVD from every region and it works just like Netflix. :)

Here's a link to Descent:

http://www.nicheflix.com/movie_details.aspx?movieID=7299

IrmoGamecoq

07-14-06, 08:51 AM

Thanks for the suggestions, guys.

PooperScooper

07-14-06, 10:03 AM

Well, while we're listing off reasons to go region-free, there's also a ton of English movies with DTS tracks-- Alien Quadilogy, Heat, Blade, SoTL, Ronin, ID4, etc. from R2 NTSC-land. The Japanese Ultimate Editions always rock.

If you liked Shaun of the Dead, I highly recommend "Spaced," a three-season British sitcom, written and starring the crew from Shaun. Due to rights issues, Spaced will probably NEVER see the light of day in the states.

I also recommend "Taxi" (no, not the Jimmy Fallon crap), produced by Luc Besson, as a fun little non-R1 gem.
Thanks for the tip. I just ordered the 2 seasons, less than $10 per season shipped. Must have been short series, less than 3 hours per season.

larry

oink

07-15-06, 02:40 AM

I've had Battle Royale for a while. That's why I knew to mention it. Same for Casshern. I don't have that many non-R1 DVDs, but it's nice to be able to play them when the need arises.

Larry,

Can you recommend a good audio/video copy of Casshern?
Mine is crap.
All regions are good for me. ;)

Dave Mack

07-15-06, 06:44 AM

My "Descent" is on the way!

:) Can't wait to see it! My gf doesnt mine GORE films but she hates suspensey "Boo!" flicks. Will she dig it?

PooperScooper

07-15-06, 07:54 AM

Larry,

Can you recommend a good audio/video copy of Casshern?
Mine is crap.
All regions are good for me. ;)
I got the 3disc region 3 pack. The PQ is good but it could have been better because they squeezed DTS 6.1 , DD and a 2.5 hour movie on one disc. Somebody had bought the rights to show the movie in the US, but I guess it never came about.

larry

oink

07-15-06, 01:22 PM

My "Descent" is on the way!

:) Can't wait to see it! My gf doesnt mine GORE films but she hates suspensey "Boo!" flicks. Will she dig it?

This is a seriously scary movie for chicks IMO.
My wife couldn't even get to the cave... :D

oink

07-15-06, 01:24 PM

I got the 3disc region 3 pack. The PQ is good but it could have been better because they squeezed DTS 6.1 , DD and a 2.5 hour movie on one disc. Somebody had bought the rights to show the movie in the US, but I guess it never came about.

Dang... :(
Tired of waiting for Dreamworks to release here.
Guess I'll have to order from YesAsia.

PooperScooper

07-15-06, 05:00 PM

hkflix may have better prices. They ship extemely fast too.

larry

oink

07-16-06, 12:42 AM

hkflix may have better prices. They ship extemely fast too.

Thanx for the tip. :)

spyder696969

07-16-06, 12:56 PM

So...is the US theatrical release the same (other than the ending and small details) as the original film, or is the US release a remake and completely different film?

gangrew

07-16-06, 07:07 PM

I have seen the foreign version of The Descent (thanks to reading this forum) and was not disappointed.

Does anyone know if the unrated Battle Royale that netflix has is altered, or is the same cut as other regions. Why do they feel that they need to change foreign movies for the US audience in the first place?

oink

07-16-06, 08:19 PM

Why do they feel that they need to change foreign movies for the US audience in the first place?

Because they think we are too sensitive....as well as being naive, ignorant, and sissified fundamentalist nutjobs.

mrhan

07-16-06, 09:37 PM

Does anyone know if the unrated Battle Royale that netflix has is altered, or is the same cut as other regions.

I haven't rented it but I believe it is the extended cut of the film after reading some of the comments on Netflix. It is the version where they went back 6 mo. after the initial release and filmed more scenes showing how the relationship w/ the kids was before their ordeal. I actually prefer the original theatrical cut because of the tighter editing. It just flowed better.

Wytchone

07-17-06, 09:32 AM

Because they think we are too sensitive....as well as being naive, ignorant, and sissified fundamentalist nutjobs.

Ok that hurt my feelings :confused:

I can't wait to see this and hope they release a unrated dvd in the US.

tonybradley

07-18-06, 05:57 PM

yankeeman

07-18-06, 06:54 PM

The trailer I saw...at least I thought...said it was coming out at the Theaters this summer. Everyone is talking DVD. What am I missing?

http://www.thedescentfilm.com/

Shows an August release with a trailer for SAW III at the movies. Is this the same movie that everyone is talking about here?

The Descent was an English movie, and has come out on dvd in England. Now its being released in the theaters here finally, and we hear that we are getting a slightly watered-down version, like heaven forbid we Americans could handle what the rest of the world can. We are hoping that when it ultimately comes out on dvd a few months after the theater release here, that they will give us an "unrated" version equal to the English version.

Are you sure about the August 11 date for Saw III? I have seen that date for Pulse, with an August 4th date for The Descent, and a later August date for Snakes on a Plane. I though Saw III was being held for October, anybody know for sure?

spyder696969

07-18-06, 07:41 PM

oink

07-18-06, 09:42 PM

Spyder,

I don't believe this is a remake of the original British version from last year.
However, I have been hearing that some of the shock and awe may be removed for U.S. wusses. ;)

Do yourself a favor...f*ck all that and order the PAL version from Amazon's UK site.
I did...it has a great DTS soundtrack and near reference video.
PM me and I'll give you more details if you need them.

Do it, bud...order this puppy! :)

PooperScooper

07-18-06, 09:44 PM

Again, I ask: Is the movie being completely remade for the US by US actors, or is it just being released here in the original form to theaters? From the previews, it seems the girls are speaking without an English accent.
Some of the women are Americans. I think from what has been said here, the US version is the British version with the "pussy" ending. :) Watering down the ending is extremely easy to do given the way the movie progresses at the end. No real extra work required.

larry

Dave Mack

07-19-06, 07:11 AM

Actually I believe only one of the characters is American. Interestingly the actress is English. Watched it tonite. Awesome. There are English, Irish and scottish characters I believe. If the trailers here have them all sounding American than all I can guess is that they dubbed it and that would be ass,...
I think it would get an NC-17 here in the states for the gore and that's why they are trimming it. It is VERY gory, almost excessively so. Also, are they gonna give the "happy" ending...?

:)

PooperScooper

07-19-06, 08:44 AM

No way they'll dub it. Too much work and it's not like they're all talking with thick cockney accents or something. :)

larry

tonybradley

07-19-06, 01:39 PM

The Descent was an English movie, and has come out on dvd in England. Now its being released in the theaters here finally, and we hear that we are getting a slightly watered-down version, like heaven forbid we Americans could handle what the rest of the world can. We are hoping that when it ultimately comes out on dvd a few months after the theater release here, that they will give us an "unrated" version equal to the English version.

Are you sure about the August 11 date for Saw III? I have seen that date for Pulse, with an August 4th date for The Descent, and a later August date for Snakes on a Plane. I though Saw III was being held for October, anybody know for sure?

The SAW III Trailor will be shown during The Descent in August.

oink

07-19-06, 02:09 PM

No way they'll dub it. Too much work and it's not like they're all talking with thick cockney accents or something. :)

larry

Agreed...
However, don't anyone that hasn't seen it think for a second this is a wimpy movie, it ain't...by any stretch. :eek:

PooperScooper

07-19-06, 03:05 PM

Oh, yea. If they only change the ending, it will be a supreme copout, but the movie will still be intense.

larry

Dave Mack

07-19-06, 03:44 PM

I have a feeling that they will remove quite a bit of gore as well as maybe the initial "happy" ending...

:(

alpha21

07-19-06, 05:22 PM

I don't remember it being that gory. I'm pretty sure I've seen the original version. Maybe I'm just desensitized (after seeing High Tension). But as long as the US release has the same dreadful vibe, it should be fine.

What's bothing me, is that when I saw it, I never saw a trailer. Now that it's being release in the US, there are nothing but trailers. At least one of these trailers I see constantly, is giving away one of the most terrifying jump scenes I have ever experience viewing a film! The "is anybody there!" scene

Why must they do that??

Nathan_R

07-19-06, 07:53 PM

I don't remember it being that gory. I'm pretty sure I've seen the original version. Maybe I'm just desensitized (after seeing High Tension). But as long as the US release has the same dreadful vibe, it should be fine.

I agree with your assessment on the gore factor-- I don't consider it gory at all. Saw and FEARDOTCOMDOTCOMDOTORG seemed much gorier to me than The Descent. There are maybe a couple of scenes that depict gore on the level of either of the two films mentioned above. However, and with that said, "gore" is not the focus or intent of The Descent. In my opinion, this is a tension movie-- gore is sidelined by suspense and, well, the whole "running around in the dark" factor.

Also, I can't imagine the film being dubbed for Americans. When I first popped in the DVD, I wondered in advance if I should turn on subtitles before the beginning of the feature (fearing a Trainspotting-like listening experience), but I was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to understand the actors' intonations, pitch, and vernacular.

spyder696969

07-19-06, 08:20 PM

...FEARDOTCOMDOTCOMDOTORG...

Pretty good, for a new member! ;)

Dave Mack

07-19-06, 08:34 PM

I guess it depends. In comparison to say, High Tension, yes it's less gory but there's still PLENTY of gore, are you kidding? Granted there are ALOT of quick cuts but it's pretty bloody if you ask me. I'd say it's gorier than say any of the Friday the 13th flicks...

:)

Nathan_R

07-19-06, 11:01 PM

Pretty good, for a new member! ;)

Oh, it's ON now, Mr. 2005!!! :D

I guess it depends. In comparison to say, High Tension, yes it's less gory but there's still PLENTY of gore, are you kidding? Granted there are ALOT of quick cuts but it's pretty bloody if you ask me. I'd say it's gorier than say any of the Friday the 13th flicks...

I dunno here. I don't think comparing The Descent to the F13 movies is a reaching comparison. In my opinion, The Descent's purpose wasn't to outdo the last $10m gore flick (ala the F13 movies) in the theaters. It's a bit like saying The English Patient's purpose was to outdo Lawrence of Arabia, because they both took place in the desert. Sure, they have common themes, but they're nothing alike.

With that said, I'm not saying The Descent is LoA. I'm just saying that it delivered on being a good horror film (easily the best in a few years), without relying on too many cliches.

Dave Mack

07-19-06, 11:57 PM

alpha21

07-20-06, 12:49 PM

I guess the gore bar has raised in the last 10 years. I mean, no, it's not Re-Animator or Dead Alive level gore but those were comic books IMHO. Within the first 5 minutes you have a steel pipe bust through somebody's head, later there is a pretty graphic compound fracture, a main character gets whacked through the neck and you see the pick protruding through the neck and you see a few characters get munched on alive. Maybe it's me...

;)

I guess maybe I don't find them as gory because the thing through the head part happens fast and is more of an unexpected death thing, compared to a drawn out look away scene. As for the others, they (much like most horror movies) happen in dark light environments. This IMO makes the gore less intense because you can't exactly see it as clearly

The reason I brought up High Tension for gore factor comparison is because of the scene where the Mom is killed in and EXTREMELY lit room, where blood is continually spraying on a bright white closet door. Then when you actually see the aftermath, again the room is extremely lit and the amount of blood and visability of the slit throat is insane!! Then you throw in the fact that she all of a sudden moves, makes this scene one of the most disgustingly difficult scene I've seen in a LONG time!!

It has much more of a realizism factor than a Friday the 13th or the like movie.

mrhan

07-20-06, 01:07 PM

I guess maybe I don't find them as gory because the thing through the head part happens fast and is more of an unexpected death thing, compared to a drawn out look away scene. As for the others, they (much like most horror movies) happen in dark light environments. This IMO makes the gore less intense because you can't exactly see it as clearly

The reason I brought up High Tension for gore factor comparison is because of the scene where the Mom is killed in and EXTREMELY lit room, where blood is continually spraying on a bright white closet door. Then when you actually see the aftermath, again the room is extremely lit and the amount of blood and visability of the slit throat is insane!! Then you throw in the fact that she all of a sudden moves, makes this scene one of the most disgustingly difficult scene I've seen in a LONG time!!

It has much more of a realizism factor than a Friday the 13th or the like movie.

To me the most difficult and disgusting scene I sat through was the rape scene in Irreversible and that wasn't a horror movie.

alpha21

07-20-06, 02:36 PM

To me the most difficult and disgusting scene I sat through was the rape scene in Irreversible and that wasn't a horror movie.

I am purposely avoiding it, because I know I won't be able to stomach it

Dave Mack

07-21-06, 02:17 AM

The opening scene is pretty harsh too! Made me stop eating my movie snack and that's rare!!!!

oink

07-21-06, 02:22 AM

To me the most difficult and disgusting scene I sat through was the rape scene in Irreversible and that wasn't a horror movie.

Hmmmm....haven't seen it.
Not much disgusts me more however. ;)

[H]RedDog

07-21-06, 08:25 PM

I didnt understand the ending. What exactly happens after the happy ending? Was the happy ending a dream or somthing?

thehun

07-22-06, 03:32 AM

I guess maybe I don't find them as gory because the thing through the head part happens fast and is more of an unexpected death thing, compared to a drawn out look away scene. As for the others, they (much like most horror movies) happen in dark light environments. This IMO makes the gore less intense because you can't exactly see it as clearly

The reason I brought up High Tension for gore factor comparison is because of the scene where the Mom is killed in and EXTREMELY lit room, where blood is continually spraying on a bright white closet door. Then when you actually see the aftermath, again the room is extremely lit and the amount of blood and visability of the slit throat is insane!! Then you throw in the fact that she all of a sudden moves, makes this scene one of the most disgustingly difficult scene I've seen in a LONG time!!

It has much more of a realizism factor than a Friday the 13th or the like movie.

The last spoiler sounds extremelly like the scene from "The Hills have eyes".

PooperScooper

07-22-06, 09:22 AM

The last spoiler sounds extremelly like the scene from "The Hills have eyes".

Doesn't look like it though. :) Two different things.

larry

Hayrab

07-22-06, 09:43 AM

Wow, watched this last night, I can see why they will be toning it down for US audiences, I personally liked it, but it does have some disturbing scenes, the gore is there but the way in which it is presented I could see being unsettling to alot of viewers.

My only complaint is the cast, they weren't bad actors perse they just didn't seem to be very well developed as "extreme cavers" like I was hoping for, it was more of a sorority party in a cave.

lvisneau

07-25-06, 08:59 AM

very good horror/adventure. thanks to all here at the forum for the recommendation. well worth 8 pounds (20 bucks or so). this was a horror story on more "realistic" lines.

PooperScooper

07-25-06, 11:58 AM

My only complaint is the cast, they weren't bad actors perse they just didn't seem to be very well developed as "extreme cavers" like I was hoping for, it was more of a sorority party in a cave.

They weren't all cavers. There were only one or two that were really "extreme" at anything, IIRC, and the others were just somewhat athletic. Remember, the cave they went to was not the cave they thought they were going to - except for the person that devised the ruse. The intended cave would have been a more fit for partying.

larry

Dave Mack

07-25-06, 03:32 PM

I got the SE from Amazon Uk for like 8 lbs. shipped which is like $15.00

:)

PooperScooper

07-25-06, 05:11 PM

I got the SE from Amazon Uk for like 8 lbs. shipped which is like $15.00

:)Me too, it was great deal. The previous 2-disc set was much heavier.

larry

oink

07-25-06, 05:21 PM

They weren't all cavers. There were only one or two that were really "extreme" at anything, IIRC, and the others were just somewhat athletic. Remember, the cave they went to was not the cave they thought they were going to.

That is pretty much how I remember it....except that they had done some caving together in the past, but it was easy stuff...nothing remotely as difficult as this cave.
However, I may have a bit of faulty memory too. ;)

lvisneau

07-25-06, 05:38 PM

I got the SE from Amazon Uk for like 8 lbs. shipped which is like $15.00

:)
so did i, we got to watch the movie in my theater before it came out here in theaters. very cool indeed !!!!!!!!

Dave Mack

07-30-06, 08:35 PM

So did they cut the gore for the US as well as having a "happier" ending? Anyone know the US ending?

:) d

thehun

08-01-06, 04:05 AM

According to EW the body count is different, and it uses one of the existing alternative ending that was shot originally along the UK theatrical cut.Only a minute or so was cut.
The DVD is expected to have both ending a-la 28 Days Later.

IrmoGamecoq

08-01-06, 08:59 AM

That's relieving news. Thanks for posting, thehun.

PooperScooper

08-01-06, 09:16 AM

The fact that they changed anything is so very sad!

larry

IrmoGamecoq

08-01-06, 02:15 PM

By "relieving," I was mainly referring to the DVD release.

oink

08-01-06, 03:31 PM

The fact that they changed anything is so very sad!

How true!
A classic IMO.

alpha21

08-01-06, 03:44 PM

Dave Mack

08-01-06, 10:09 PM

Somebody else lives? No throwdown at the end between the 2 chicks?

lonwolf615

08-02-06, 02:13 AM

Guys, we gotta be extra careful on this one. I'm coming to this thread to decide whether to buy my first export dvd or to see it in the theater. And I would hazard a guess that 99% of us haven't seen this yet, so spoiler tags are really needed on almost everything. Some of us might read them anyways, but it would be nice to have the choice,,I'm not trying to nitpick, but remember this hasn't been available yet to most of the american public.:)
Okay, is the general feeling that any change would have to be bad, so it would be better to wait for the dvd with the original cut? (Or buy the R2)

thehun

08-02-06, 02:24 AM

How can the body cound be different?

I guess someone's not gonna die?

oink

08-02-06, 02:29 AM

Lonwolf,

The reason why any change is considered bad is because the film is so perfect! :eek:
Those of us that have seen it, want it left as is...it is hard to imagine improving it.

Buy the R2...it has excellent video and audio.
And I have yet to hear anyone regret doing so. ;)

tony123

08-02-06, 08:14 AM

Why would this not be listed by Netflix?

PooperScooper

08-02-06, 09:08 AM

It's not released in the USA or not Region 1 or 0.

larry

alpha21

08-02-06, 01:50 PM

I guess someone's not gonna die?

So then what happens to that character?
I will be seeing this in the theater, then try to compare it to the DVD I have. I just don't understand how a characters role can just all of a sudden be cut out in a horror film. That's usually the point of horror films, who lives-who dies and how.

It sounded like in this thread that the reason for the ending change was to not confuse the audience and have it more of a Hollywood ending. Well isn't not knowing what happened to one of the characters even more confusing??

lonwolf615

08-02-06, 02:41 PM

Well, I've got 2 players that are supposed to be region free, though I've never tried to find out...and I've visted amazon UK to browse, but mainly for music..don't know why I'm hesitating, maybe because I spend enough change on U.S. releases? If I open up the door to the whole world...:)
But man, the consensus here sure seems to be this is a classic. And there's so many opinions of folks who I really respect raving about it, its hard to hold off. I mean a lot of you can be pretty balanced reviewing a film: "I really loved this film BUT... I don't remember reading any buts about this one, so its very tempting..
So, how would you guys rate this? Better than WC? As good as 28 Days Later? The last great horror film I saw was Cemetary Man-is it in that class? If one person says it ranks with Holloween I'll be getting out the credit card...

oink

08-02-06, 03:27 PM

Well, I've got 2 players that are supposed to be region free, though I've never tried to find out.

Be sure you have a player that will run PAL (the European standard).
Many players do these days.
If you don't, try the new Oppo 970HD for $150...an excellent all around player that should sell for much more. ;)

Better than 28 Days Later.
Haven't seen CM yet.
WC???...sorry, I have brain-lock today...

thehun

08-02-06, 04:21 PM

So then what happens to that character?
I will be seeing this in the theater, then try to compare it to the DVD I have. I just don't understand how a characters role can just all of a sudden be cut out in a horror film. That's usually the point of horror films, who lives-who dies and how.

It sounded like in this thread that the reason for the ending change was to not confuse the audience and have it more of a Hollywood ending. Well isn't not knowing what happened to one of the characters even more confusing??
I don''t know I haven't seen it, but it is an alternative ending, not just a straight cut.
According to EW.

lonwolf615

08-03-06, 01:06 AM

[QUOTE=oink]Be sure you have a player that will run PAL (the European standard).
Many players do these days.
If you don't, try the new Oppo 970HD for $150...an excellent all around player that should sell for much more. ;)

Better than 28 Days Later.
Haven't seen CM yet.
WC???...sorry, I have brain-lock today...

Pardon my ignorance, but this is an area I've never explored. I have a player that can be set to PAL, but will that play on any tv? Wouldn't one need a PAL capable display?
WC was Wolf Creek, not a classic horror film but one worth seeing. Mentioned it as a starting point to get an idea just how good most of you think this film is.

PooperScooper

08-03-06, 07:03 AM

PAL output is 50Hz. Many digital displays will accept 576i/p, 720p, 1080i all at 50Hz. If your display can't accept 50hz then PAL->NTSC conversion (60Hz output) in the player is the other option.

larry

alpha21

08-03-06, 11:10 AM

[QUOTE]

Pardon my ignorance, but this is an area I've never explored. I have a player that can be set to PAL, but will that play on any tv? Wouldn't one need a PAL capable display?
WC was Wolf Creek, not a classic horror film but one worth seeing. Mentioned it as a starting point to get an idea just how good most of you think this film is.
Much Better than WC
Better than 28 Days Later
Hard to compare it to slasher films like Halloween

I don't find very many horror films to be actually scary, more like creapy or intense. But The Descent I found to be actually scary. Not to mention filmed well! I thought the same about Dog Soldiers, but The Descent is way better than that too!!

Dave Mack

08-03-06, 01:32 PM

It's kinda got an ALIEN vibe...

thehun

08-03-06, 04:18 PM

Cool, I'm there![tomorrow] :)

oink

08-03-06, 04:30 PM

I have a player that can be set to PAL, but will that play on any tv? Wouldn't one need a PAL capable display?
WC was Wolf Creek, not a classic horror film but one worth seeing.

As Larry pointed out, if your player will do PAL, you should be able to see it on your display (one way or the other). :)

Oh, and I thought WC was good too.

Dave Mack

08-03-06, 06:17 PM

Native PAL is best if signal is accepted by your display. No judder from conversion. My oppo both outputs native PAL and converts. More pic. res, 576 lines vs. 480 when native PAL.

:)

Digital2004

08-03-06, 06:30 PM

transcoding pal to ntsc is trickier than ntsc to pal.
get yourself a region free player from Europe if needed,lots of goodies in UK dvd market

DESCENT is an excellent action-horror-gore-scare adventure with powerful DTS sound.

i dont get all the ouh ah about getting region 2 dvds. piracy however is criminal (i bought all my dvds!) but frankly, there's too many great dvds worldwide

take HEAT dts reg 2 Japan, many from UK (with higher resolution and often with corrected pitch).

THE DESCENT however will test the projector's contrast and black level capacities. ya need a dark room with measured 2500:1 or more CR...

another great UK horror flick is CREEP. almost continuous, real time feeling. just watched again RED EYE (amazing thriller from Craven with AMAZING sound !!) and this almost real time aspect gives tremendous feeling of that "instantaneity".

lonwolf615

08-04-06, 06:44 AM

I'm ashamed to admit I haven't watched Red Eye because of the bad reviews. Should know better by now when it comes to Craven..will give it a look.
Hardly ever go to the theater anymore, but have pretty much talked my better half into seeing this tonight. The only catch is she gets to pick a film to see next weekend...now, THATS scary...
You guys better be right about this one...:)

Digital2004

08-04-06, 11:59 AM

hey
read the reviews of the dvd on internet, most are excellent if i remember correctly.
this is fast 86min ride !! but hey maybe some didnt like it because of the 'touchy' subject...

this is demo material (video and audio !!). 30people worked on the sound for this "low" (lol $25M) budget movie. and the score by Marco Beltrami is pitch perfect.

oink

08-04-06, 05:48 PM

this is demo material (video and audio !!). 30people worked on the sound for this "low" (lol $25M) budget movie. and the score by Marco Beltrami is pitch perfect.

Thanx for the recommendation on Creep.

IIRC, you were involved in the sound production of this?
Or am I just getting old? :confused:

Digital2004

08-04-06, 06:33 PM

you're welcome

as for last 2years recommended dvds in the "genre":
CREEP
THE DESCENT
HILLS HAVE EYES
WOLF CREEK
THE EXORCISM OF E ROSE

PooperScooper

08-04-06, 10:38 PM

Add "Feed" to the list. You may not like it, but you gotta see it. :) I just added Creep to my queue. Movie sounds familiar but I don't think I've seen it.

larry

JohnGZ28

08-04-06, 11:11 PM

Guess so...
I have the PAL 2-disc .... awesome.

Got it here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000A8NZ0O/qid=1145168711/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_11_2/203-7855434-9970364

Word around is it will be release in U.S. sometime this Summer, but will be edited including approx. 15min. cut from ending, to soften it (read: butcher it) for U.S. consumption.

Just tried to order this from Amazon UK and got a message saying it could not be shipped to my address. Anyone have any other leads on where to buy a copy? I tried the link the PooperScooper posted but it is not working.

ChemEng

08-05-06, 01:30 AM

So what happened at the end? They show the one girl getting to her jeep. But then she vomits something the same consistancy and color that the whiteys did. Also the flashback at the end could have been a "dinner" between the other whiteys. Or did she just make it back alive?

I seemed to get the idea that they could turn people into whiteys by biting them after they showed the girl's eye color change after the first attack. Anyone else get this idea? If this is not the case, what is the eye color's significance?

oink

08-05-06, 01:34 AM

Add "Feed" to the list. You may not like it, but you gotta see it. :) I just added Creep to my queue. Movie sounds familiar but I don't think I've seen it.

larry

Thanx Larry...will take a look at it. :)

oink

08-05-06, 01:36 AM

lonwolf615

08-05-06, 02:23 AM

Major, major spoiler ahead, so DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE FILM!!!

The American ending: Juno and Sarah meet up and kick serious ass. When they are the only 2 left Sarah shows Juno the "Love Every Day" thing that shows Juno killed Holly plus had a relationship with her husband.(?) She then slashes Juno's leg and leaves her limping to face the coming monsters while she skedaddles up and out of the cave. She finds the SUV, drives off, pulling over several miles later to sob on the sterring wheel. A semi nearly sideswipes her, bringing Sarah out of her breakdown, and she vomits out the window. When she's finished, she glances over to the passenger seat..and there sits Juno, looking pissed. The credits roll.

So, is that a major difference from the UK ending? If so, can you tell me the difference or should I see it for myself?

You're right, oink,btw. Definately a classic.

oink

08-05-06, 03:02 AM

You're right, oink,btw. Definately a classic.

Glad you enjoyed it! :)
It was such a surprise initially, without a lot of hype by the studio.

But the word spread on the web on how good this movie actually is....pure grass-roots word of mouth...the old fashioned way. ;)

Man, if you are NOT claustrophobic before this film, you will be after. :eek:

bosng

08-05-06, 05:00 AM

the un-american ending.

when sarah gets up from vomiting she sees juno in the passenger seat. cut to sarah waking up back in the cave where she fell (arm twisted behind her back, she is lit by candlelight. pull out to reveal her daughter sitting in front of her birthday cake. cut to close up of sarah smiling then long pull out to reveal sarah is in the cave alone, torch on the floor in front of her. she smiles at where she thinks her daughter is sitting. continue long pull out with sounds of screaming creatures. fade to black. roll credits

damn that's a good movie. i've seen it 5 times :)

thehun

08-05-06, 07:47 AM

I thought the American ending was bad, but the English is even worst.
Just saw it today here in the US, and once again a terrible presentation, the picture was out of focus most of the first 30 mins. Sound was pretty good though.

BTW which Icon is the spoiler tag?

PooperScooper

08-05-06, 08:37 AM

No icon - <spoiler> text </spoiler> . Replace angle brackets with correspoding square brackets: [ and ] . Same as quote, same are bold and italics and other "markups".

larry

PooperScooper

08-05-06, 08:40 AM

Some people still aren't getting the hint about spoiler tags.... :( Not you, Hun. :)

larry

PooperScooper

08-05-06, 08:44 AM

re ending: The american ending is what we thought they would do. Wimps! Seeing it is much better than reading it, especially if you don't know what's coming.

larry

mrhan

08-05-06, 09:46 AM

Just tried to order this from Amazon UK and got a message saying it could not be shipped to my address. Anyone have any other leads on where to buy a copy? I tried the link the PooperScooper posted but it is not working.

I got it here.

http://www3.cd-wow.us/detail_results_2.php?product_code=21847&subcat=region2

It's the 2 disc version and it's way cheaper than Amazon.uk and their just as reliable. :)

JohnGZ28

08-05-06, 09:55 AM

I got it here.

http://www3.cd-wow.us/detail_results_2.php?product_code=21847&subcat=region2

It's the 2 disc version and it's way cheaper than Amazon.uk and their just as reliable. :)

Thanks!

ChemEng

08-05-06, 10:12 AM

mrhan

08-05-06, 10:36 AM

Thanks!

Your Welcome. That's odd that Amazon.UK doesn't deliver to your address. Anyways, you'll be saving around $10 ordering from CDWow.

reverse

08-05-06, 12:04 PM

Been noticing that a few 'region free' versions have been popping up on ebay lately.

alpha21

08-05-06, 01:14 PM

Om... I read both the US and UK interpretation of the ending... Still doesnt answer the question about eye color changing. What was the deal with that? And man was a WAY off in how I saw the ending...

Saw it opening night. Either I'm going deaf from my HT or they really had the sound down at the theater. The jump scenes just didn't have that kick that soft to loud out of the blue has.

for your question:
Seen the original and now the US version and never noticed anything that you are stating. The vomit just seemed like plain ol vomit. Who's eye color are you talking about? If it's Juno, it doesn't really mean that much, because she's dead! It's basically just a dream sequence. I personally like the original ending better, just for the fact that the 2 times they show the daughter with the cake, doesn't really add much to the film unless you see it again at the end.

lonwolf615

08-05-06, 02:15 PM

Okay, be aware I've only seen it once, in a theater. And my perceptions might be a little fuzzy because my brain was busy saying "man, this is great" over and over again, so I probably missed something. But give me an insight:

When did the dream/nightmare sequences start-or, how much of what happened in the cave was part of it? Were there several seperate dream sequences, from different points of view and different characters, or just one long one from Sarah's POV? Were they cutting from "reality" to "fantasy" or was most of it a dream? (Sarah and Juno turning into slayers for example-real or imagined?
I have to say I might have a radically different interpertation of the film, but I feel at a disadvantage only seeing it once, so I don't want to say it YET.
Couple more questions: Where is a good site to read the different interpertations of this film, esp. the UK version? And did they cut a lot of gore for the american version? And, about spoilers: there is a very easy to understand sticky about how to use them by our former mod at the top of the page.

ChemEng

08-05-06, 02:37 PM

for your question:
Seen the original and now the US version and never noticed anything that you are stating. The vomit just seemed like plain ol vomit. Who's eye color are you talking about? If it's Juno, it doesn't really mean that much, because she's dead! It's basically just a dream sequence. I personally like the original ending better, just for the fact that the 2 times they show the daughter with the cake, doesn't really add much to the film unless you see it again at the end.

I was during the first attack sequence. One of the girl's eyes change from green to pale blue after she was bitten. Did anyone else see this??? I know Im not seeing things... (I hope! :D )

My interpretation of the ending:
Sarah was bitten by the female whitey during the blood bath attack sequence. She then began the slow process of turning into one of them. By the time she leaves the cave, her transformation approaches completion as she vomits in her jeep and hears the feeding call announcing the Juno has been brought to the feeding den.

Some support
*The eye change after the early attack indicates that greater changes are occurring.
*No on else vomits in the movie. When Sarah does, it looks exactly like the whitey's vomit.
*Sarahs behavior after the blood bath was VERY different than before it.
*I think that there is a whitey scream when Juno is shown at the jeep. Perhaps indicating the feeding call.

Its a very different view than was mentioned in here...

PooperScooper

08-05-06, 03:20 PM

Interesting, ChemEng. Next time I watch the movie I'll have to remember to look for the stuff you say. Right now, I think it's a bit of a stretch, but I didn't notice things you did. I guess we won't know for sure until "The Ascent" comes out. :)

larry

lonwolf615

08-05-06, 04:54 PM

You're kidding, right? Has there really been talk of a sequel? I was gonna post that as a joke,,,:)
So, chem., are you saying none of the film was a dream? That everything showed actually happened, in real time? That we're watching an objective view of the story, and not a subjective account from one character's POV? I'm not objecting, I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying. Interesting take, have to think about it some more. (what I gotta do is go see this again.:)
Larry, do you think we need a new thread to discuss the film, one with "spoilers galore" in the title? Or add that to the title of this one?

PooperScooper

08-05-06, 05:19 PM

If you want to start a new thread with spoilers, that's ok by me. Although, I'm not too lazy to type in the tags. :)

"The Ascent" is my doing. A sequel with the whities coming out at night or if Sarah did "become" and she comes out and wreaks havoc mignt make it, but for me half of the impact of the movie was the crawling around in the cave.

larry

oink

08-05-06, 10:10 PM

ChemEng

08-06-06, 01:04 AM

So, chem., are you saying none of the film was a dream? That everything showed actually happened, in real time? That we're watching an objective view of the story, and not a subjective account from one character's POV? I'm not objecting, I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying. Interesting take, have to think about it some more. (what I gotta do is go see this again.:)

More spoilers...
I thought that the perspective was omnipotent 3rd with occassional instances of delusions from Sarah's mind (the birthday cake scene). I definately didnt get the feeling that it was a dream or drug induced event. Drugs or dreams aside, the bottom line is that she went in there with several friends and 2 cars, then took her drugs. On her way out no one is with her (barring 1 interpretation of the ending) and there are still 2 cars. That would be a large hole for the drug/dream interpretation I think.

The entire movie cant be a singular POV because there are scenes that progress the plot when Sarah is not involved. (ie when Juno accidentally claw hammered the one girl.) If it is all told from Sarah's POV, then we would not know about that. Same is true if its told by Juno's POV--we wouldnt know about the blood bath scene.

Either way, I dont know what the right answer is to the ending. What I posted here was what I thought the ending was after my first watching the theater last night. I know many of you have seen this several times, but I was a bit surprised that it had not been discussed or considered.

Dave Mack

08-06-06, 01:05 AM

I only paid about seven lbs. with shipping from Amazon UK for the 2 disc set a few weeks ago. That's about $13.00 but I see thay now raised their price. Interesting....

1 of: The Descent (Special Edition) [DVD]
By: MyAnna Buring (Primary Contributor), et al
£5.08

Sold by: Amazon.co.uk
- 1 item(s) Gift options: None

oink

08-06-06, 02:56 AM

ChemEng,

Thanx for an original interpretation...looks like a few of us may be re-visiting the Descent disk soon.

I would admit the dream/drug thing seems like a stretch. ;)

n737nc

08-06-06, 07:21 AM

I only paid about seven lbs. with shipping from Amazon UK for the 2 disc set a few weeks ago. That's about $13.00 but I see thay now raised their price. Interesting....

Well, I finally broke down and bought it. I kept hearing all of you guys talk about it, and I couldn't take it anymore. I ordered it from Amazon UK for £13.27 $24.65US with shipping :eek: Yeah, they raised the price a little!

PooperScooper

08-06-06, 08:44 AM

Re: DaveMack' price:... not ^^^^^^^ :)

Wow, that was cheaper than what I got which is different than listed today...

Item(s) Subtotal: £8.49
Postage & Packing: £3.08
-----
Total Before VAT: £11.57
VAT: £0.00
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Grand Total: £11.57

Still worth every pence and it came within a few days.

larry

mrhan

08-06-06, 09:14 AM

Well, I finally broke down and bought it. I kept hearing all of you guys talk about it, and I couldn't take it anymore. I ordered it from Amazon UK for £13.27 $24.65US with shipping :eek: Yeah, they raised the price a little!

You should have checked the link I posted on the previous page. CDWow has it for $16US including shipping.

Dave Mack

08-06-06, 12:38 PM

What annoys me is that the commercials here in the US give away the what the boogies look like! I went into the DVD completely fresh, not even looking at the menu which can sometimes give stuff away. The first full reveal of a creature startled me. That shot is in the damn commercials!!!!

:)

lonwolf615

08-06-06, 02:28 PM

A note of clarification: I wasn't trying to say the whole thing was a dream, and I never even considered drugs being involved. What I was going by was the description of the original ending on here, which seemed to imply Sarah had a quick fantasy that she got away before awakening to her apparent demise.And there are the sudden flashbacks to the birthday cake and her daughter..in the american version there is the question of how the heck Juno got in the car, if she was really there.. so, if anything in the movie might only be occurring in one of the character's mind, that begs the question of when the "dream" started. Maybe dream isn't the right word..."false memory" doesn't seem to fit either, though...
I dunno, I've only seen it once, but I can't help feeling the car crash, and the relationship between Sarah and Juno, are crucial to the theme of the film. I just don't fully understand why.

lonwolf615

08-06-06, 02:34 PM

Okay, playing devil's advocate for a moment:
If Sarah was rapidly becoming one of the cave dwellers, why was she trying to get away? Wouldn't she have an aversion to light?

PooperScooper

08-06-06, 03:18 PM

Okay, playing devil's advocate for a moment:
If Sarah was rapidly becoming one of the cave dwellers, why was she trying to get away? Wouldn't she have an aversion to light?You'll have to wait for "The Ascent" to find out! :D

I think the thing with Sarah and here "visions" with her daughter are just from he trauma of losing her. Her meds might help in that regard too.

larry

yankeeman

08-06-06, 04:14 PM

Just saw this in the theater today. Really enjoyed it. Ending could have been better. English ending sounds better, but still not perfect.

A question that has been asked before in this thread, but not quite fully answered is also a question i have:

Does the English version dvd have additional gore and stuff, or is it just the different ending?

Also, do you think it will be released here on dvd with the full English film, and is it really worth it if its only the different ending?

PooperScooper

08-06-06, 05:09 PM

ChemEng

08-06-06, 05:18 PM

Okay, playing devil's advocate for a moment:
If Sarah was rapidly becoming one of the cave dwellers, why was she trying to get away? Wouldn't she have an aversion to light?

I think the conversion was under process after she was attacked by the whitey in the blood bath. Each scene afterwards show her becoming more and more animalistic in her actions and talking even less. By the time she gets into her jeep and starts to drive off, she realizes the change when she gets the "feeding call" from the other whiteys for Juno.

Actually, I dont think they ever said that the whiteys have an aversion to light. They just said that they cant see. I think there are several scenes when the whiteys have flashlights shown on them and they dont draw away that confirms this. (I think.)

oink

08-06-06, 05:19 PM

You'll have to wait for "The Ascent" to find out! :D
Geez, stop torturing me! :D
I think the thing with Sarah and here "visions" with her daughter are just from he trauma of losing her.

That was my interpretation (without the meds factored in...I'm just not convinced of that...will have to see again :) ).

oink

08-06-06, 05:22 PM

I think the conversion was under process after she was attacked by the whitey in the blood bath. Each scene afterwards show her becoming more and more animalistic in her actions and talking even less. By the time she gets into her jeep and starts to drive off, she realizes the change when she gets the "feeding call" from the other whiteys for Juno.

Actually, I dont think they ever said that the whiteys have an aversion to light. They just said that they cant see. I think there are several scenes when the whiteys have flashlights shown on them and they dont draw away that confirms this. (I think.)

Agree with your analysis...man, you are observant. :cool:

PooperScooper

08-06-06, 06:40 PM

mrhan

08-06-06, 07:11 PM

Don't know about the upcoming R1 DVD, but I don't recall the US release having anything added. It sounds like the US release is an "end lopped off" version of the R2 release. From all the info around I've seen, the R2 DVD is definitive of the original work. In fact, weren't some speculating that the US release had gore removed? Maybe I misread.

larry

Larry,

I don't remember where I read it but the R1 release is suppose to have both versions via seamless branching. I will post when I find it.

AL

PooperScooper

08-06-06, 07:17 PM

Look above, I think somebody mentioned both endings in the R1 DVD.

larry

lonwolf615

08-07-06, 01:28 AM

Chem: If I hadn't wanted to see this again before, I would now! You make some convincing arguments, and I'm not disagreeing with you on any of it, other to say I think there is more to it than just that. And I'm not expressing myself too well: I don't know why I said aversion to light-of course light didn't bother the whiteys(good word,btw) because they were blind-there were several instances when they showed that. My choice of words was, well, stupid.:)
To change the subject just a little:
Got to say something about the cave. The scenes in the narrow passage where Sarah got stuck was maybe the most claustrophobic experience I ever had in a movie-I could feel her terror. And then the crossing of the abyss...whew! One of the most heart in my throat moments I've ever had watching a film, and I can't think of any mountain climbing film that topped it. In fact, this was a whale of a flick even before they ran into the whiteys..

oink

08-07-06, 01:48 AM

I agree Lonwolf, excellent drama.

Dave Mack

08-07-06, 02:49 AM

There are 2 commentary tracks on the R2 dvd, might shed some light on the director's intent with the end scene.

:)

ChemEng

08-07-06, 09:41 AM

ChemEng,
Yes, they are blind, they depend on hearing like you said. Another way to look at Sarah and her evolution is that she is rising to the occasion and coming at out of her depression and wanting to live, where before that may have been not so true. However, I will watch it again to catch some of the other things you mention that may give more credence to your theory.

larry

I think we are agreeing with the direction of our interpretations. The only difference is my Sarah's evoles physically and your's evolves emotionally. So maybe there is something to that line of thinking...

Fettastic

08-07-06, 11:11 AM

I had the misfortune of watching this the other day. What a TOTAL piece of crap! It should be titled "Attack of the naked, pasty guys".

It doesn't even make sense. They have an opening which has zero to do with the rest of the film. And why exactly are a gaggle of twenty-something bimbos running around in an unexplored cave? How did they even find the cave?

Why are there animal bones from surface animals 2 miles below the surface? They say later on that they hunt deer and wolves above ground, but the cave entrance is overgrown tightly with vines.

The whole thing was so completely retarded. Cliche upon cliche upon cliche. The Cave was garbage, but at least it had cool effects. This one has some gore in it, but I was fighting the urge to leave throughout.

If you absolutely must see this, do yourself a favor and wait to rent it.

n737nc

08-07-06, 11:14 AM

Fettastic

08-07-06, 11:27 AM

So you liked it? :D

I've been reading some of the posts here and INCREDIBLY, some people seem to have enjoyed this rip off of an already bad film. I don't know what to say to that.

There were a couple of things that were semi-effective, the first reveal for one. But that's because you didn't get a good look at it. Once we saw how stupid they looked, I was waiting for the credits. They were obviously inspired by The Enquirer's "Bat boy". If they would have actually gone ahead with that design which is admittedly creepy, maybe I could have bought into it. But painting naked guys white and giving them fricken' spock ears just wasn't doing it for me. It was LAUGHABLE!

Fettastic

08-07-06, 11:35 AM

One of the things that annoyed me about this movie was, first of all, the dialogue up to the cave was mind-numbingly boring.

But the biggest thing was that this movie ripped off EVERYTHING! The only reason I can think of why some of you liked this movie was because you haven't seen too many horror films or you'd know how badly this rips them off.

The opening wreck is EXACTLY like one in Amityville 3 and reminiscent of one in Final Destination 2.

The idea that they were going on an adventure to "help their friend get over a tragedy" (as was implied by one hasty piece of dialogue after they had been in the cave for awhile) is from Wrong Turn.

The whole fricken premise is from The Cave.

The one member of the group accidentally killing another is from The Funhouse, but this doesn't bother me too much.

The "trial by fire" element, in which the protagonist turns into a blood-spattered survivalist is one of the oldest cliches in horror. It can be seen in dozens, maybe hundreds of films from Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which this ending is clearly aping, to Evil Dead, to Dead Alive, there's just too many to name. Maybe I'm just really sick of seeing the same damn ending.

And why don't they have a damn spoiler tag icon up in this mo fo?

n737nc

08-07-06, 11:44 AM

Fettastic

08-07-06, 12:26 PM

And Wrong Turn was the same as The Hills Have Eyes. Does that mean this film was a rip off of The Hills Have Eyes?
In my opinion, there are a lot of films out there that are similar. Doesn't mean that they are a rip off. It's got to be hard to make an original film nowadays. I know I couldn't do it without having some of my influences in there.

Yeah but, of all the movies to rip off...THE CAVE? At least The Cave set up the characters, why they were there, where they were going. It didn't just drop some young bimbos into an unexplored cave and expect us to buy that as a plausible premise. Most girls don't even like camping let along running around in bat guano for the weekend. Especially as a way to cheer up their friend! I'm really having a hard time understanding how some of you guys liked this turd.

And the only referrence to Wrong Turn that I made was the "helping a friend get over something bad", which was not a part of The Hills Have Eyes (which by the way was a rip off of TCM).

PooperScooper

08-07-06, 12:36 PM

I think we are agreeing with the direction of our interpretations. The only difference is my Sarah's evoles physically and your's evolves emotionally. So maybe there is something to that line of thinking...
I'm hoping to see what you did when I watch it again. I like your progression better.

larry

Fettastic

08-07-06, 12:40 PM

I liked when the ant crawled across the ground. It like, totally symbolized man's journey to understand his unconscious ties to society that like push him along on this path he isn't even aware of. Yeah man, that stuff is deep. :cool:

mrhan

08-07-06, 12:41 PM

Yeah but, of all the movies to rip off...THE CAVE?

Are you sure it was a rip off. They were both made in 2005 but the Descent had a theatrical release date of July 6th 2005 in the UK while the Cave was released theatrically August 26th, 2005 in the US.

Fettastic

08-07-06, 12:44 PM

[QUOTE=Fettastic]Yeah but, of all the movies to rip off...THE CAVE? QUOTE]

Are you sure it was a rip off. They were both made in 2005 but the Descent had a theatrical release date of July 6th 2005 in the UK while the Cave was released theatrically August 26th, 2005 in the US.

I didn't realize it came out that long ago in the UK. Guess I can believe it's just a remarkable coincidence. But we should remember that The Cave had a lot of CGI which takes many months to do in post production. Someone plugged into the rumor net could easily hear about it and think "Hey, I can knock off a quick B-version and steal their thunder, even capitalize on the pre-release "cave" buzz and possibly fool some people into thinking they are going to see The cave." It happens all the time. Look at the flood of War of the World STVs that came out last summer, or the Passenger 93 DVD that came out just as the movie hit.

mrhan

08-07-06, 12:55 PM

[QUOTE=mrhan]

I didn't realize it came out that long ago in the UK. Guess I can believe it's just a remarkable coincidence. But we should remember that The Cave had a lot of CGI which takes many months to do in post production. Someone plugged into the rumor net could easily hear about it and think "Hey, I can knock off a quick B-version and steal their thunder, even capitalize on the pre-release "cave" buzz and possibly fool some people into thinking they are going to see The cave." It happens all the time. Look at the flood of War of the World STVs that came out last summer, or the Passenger 93 DVD that came out just as the movie hit.

Yeah, maybe but usually no one copies a movie unless it is a hit. It just sounds like bad business to make a copy before knowing how the original will do. BTW, it's no big deal finding out what's going into production today, just check the IMDB.

elgaic

08-07-06, 01:25 PM

If I recall, in the commentary on the R2 dvd, Neil and technical crew describe planning the lighting scheme and preproduction of the script a full two years before primary filming.

Is it so hard to believe there exist tight groups of sport enthusiast women? Biking, running, climbing, etc. This describes one of my older sisters. They could've done any sort of exercise, they just happened to pick caving.

I thought the slow buildup, the brief backstories gave us just enough to care about what happens later on. The atmosphere, music, and filming in the tight quarters gave me that slightly claustrophic feeling that added to the horror...something The Cave didn't. I also like the original UK ending. Sarah with the insane thought of sharing her daughter's brithday as we're left with an assumption.

Hoping Lionsgate comes around to the HD DVD side and not just releases this on Blu Ray. Will probably resort to hoping for an overseas release.

lonwolf615

08-07-06, 02:40 PM

But the biggest thing was that this movie ripped off EVERYTHING! The only reason I can think of why some of you liked this movie was because you haven't seen too many horror films or you'd know how badly this rips them off.

Hmm...I get the feeling Poop and Oink have seen a few horror films. Watched a couple myself.
Tastes vary, is all. There is no last word on whats good or bad.

PooperScooper

08-07-06, 03:13 PM

<wayne and garth>We're not worthy, we're not worthy, we're not worthy... </wayne and garth> :)

larry

Airboss

08-07-06, 03:17 PM

[QUOTE=mrhan]

I didn't realize it came out that long ago in the UK. Guess I can believe it's just a remarkable coincidence. But we should remember that The Cave had a lot of CGI which takes many months to do in post production. Someone plugged into the rumor net could easily hear about it and think "Hey, I can knock off a quick B-version and steal their thunder, even capitalize on the pre-release "cave" buzz and possibly fool some people into thinking they are going to see The cave." It happens all the time. Look at the flood of War of the World STVs that came out last summer, or the Passenger 93 DVD that came out just as the movie hit.

Actually, 'The Descent' was first shown at the "Brussels International Festival of Fantasy Films" on 11 March 2005.

BTW, I wish I had been "fooled" into seeing 'The Descent' because I wasted my time watching "The Cave". The Cave was a very lame movie, too much CGI. Just wondering what "Cave" buzz was there to steal? That it was a horrible movie?

It's fine that you didn't like "The Descent", but your diatribe of it is unnecessary.

mrhan

08-07-06, 03:26 PM

oink

08-07-06, 03:35 PM

<wayne and garth>We're not worthy, we're not worthy, we're not worthy... </wayne and garth> :)

larry

LOL!

Seriously, there is an old saying, "there is NO such thing as an original piece of art."
If you stop to consider that, it is true.
Art isn't conceived in a vacuum.

Fettastic

08-07-06, 03:41 PM

[QUOTE=Fettastic]

Actually, 'The Descent' was first shown at the "Brussels International Festival of Fantasy Films" on 11 March 2005.

BTW, I wish I had been "fooled" into seeing 'The Descent' because I wasted my time watching "The Cave". The Cave was a very lame movie, too much CGI. Just wondering what "Cave" buzz was there to steal? That it was a horrible movie?

It's fine that you didn't like "The Descent", but your diatribe of it is unnecessary.

Oh I'm sure there was a test screening of The Cave even before that, but really, it's pointless.

There was a trailer of The Cave out at least 6 months prior to its release as well. At that point it looked cool. At that point it was unique. The CGI was the only thing The Cave had going for it and The Descent didn't even have that. Imagine The Cave with guys in elf suits instead of CGI monsters and that's The Descent.

The film was not remotely scary. I mean, we've established that these things can't see, even though they react to light. :rolleyes: but apparently they can't smell or hear either because one of them was 2" away from a girl who sat there quivering and whimpering as it strolled on by. I mean, come on folks, HONESTLY!

mrhan

08-07-06, 04:02 PM

[QUOTE=Airboss]

Oh I'm sure there was a test screening of The Cave even before that, but really, it's pointless.

Why is it pointless? Your the one who said it was a rip off of the Cave. We are just pointing out the fact that it was released first and most likely in production before the Cave. There aren't facts that say The Cave was in production first nor was it shelved and then released. It would have been pointless if you hadn't brought it up first.

lax01

08-07-06, 11:15 PM

Well I just watched the Region 4 Spanish (was in English though) NTSC version of the Descent and it was the real UK version (with the real ending)...absolutely awesome, brutal, nerve-racking movie...I thought it was excellent.

Fett: we get your point, but the idea that they ripped the Cave off is invalid...

I'll definitely buy the R1 DVD as I would love to hear about how they lit the environment and how they shot it...I think that would be fascinating...the whole environment was just plain scary

lonwolf615

08-08-06, 01:57 AM

One could argue the film is more about style than substance, but I'm not even sure about that. But even if you take it as just an exercise in establishing mood, I'd have to say it was a success. Part of the problem is the director isn't trying to make anybodys idea of what a horror film should be-he's got his own agenda. Read a review on Amazon I think where the writer said that for at least 1/2 the film you're not watching the movie you think you are, and that strikes me as a perfect way to describe the experience..heck, even after finishing it I wasn't all that sure what I just watched, but I knew I enjoyed the journey. Trying to compare it to other films to establish a frame of reference might not be the way to go about it. Yeah, there are a lot of elements that have been in other films, but in this one they're used differently. There's a lot more going on than in your typical horror film if you're open enough to see it.
Course, there's always the other view too-my wife thought it was "silly". Sigh...

oink

08-08-06, 03:23 AM

my wife thought it was "silly". Sigh...

My wife is too afraid to see it! :D

lonwolf615

08-08-06, 01:04 PM

Dave Mack

08-08-06, 01:44 PM

I think gory and scary are very unrelated. The Innocents and The Haunting (original) are 2 VERY scary films with no blood. The 80's slasher films were tame in comparison to this. I recently watched a bunch of the old Friday the 13th films and thought The Descent had MUCH more blood. But the editing is MUCH quicker so you only see it for an instant. The compound fracture scene alone... eeek.
Now the end of High Tension unrated, WOAH! That's gore!

:)

lonwolf615

08-08-06, 03:12 PM

oh, I agree with you completely. In fact, I would go even further-most gore isn't scary. It takes you out of the film, spoils the mood in most cases-and horror is all about mood. F13 is all about the gore, the camera almost lovingly lingering on the FX, to the point of stepping outside of the film. I remember seeing the 1st one on the night it came out, how shocking it was, girls screaming, guys vomiting...same thing happened at the original Dawn Of The Dead. But shock only takes you so far-if you don't care about the characters, who cares what happens to them? I'll take your word there is more blood in The. Descent than F13, but its such a part of the story it doesn't draw attention to itself. But yeah, the leg sequence was a squirmy moment, and very intense.

bosng

08-08-06, 05:19 PM

i screened this for a big group last week and everyone loved it. i guess people just have different tastes.

the part of the movie with spelunking and climbing was just as nerve racking as the latter part with the creatures.

there are just some movies that you either like or not.

niel marshall's other film "dog soldiers" is another one. kinda silly if you aren't a fan of the stuff ( werewolves ). well kinda silly even if you are :D i loved that one too!!

there is a point where too much nit picking would just about keep you from enjoying anything.

Dave Mack

08-08-06, 05:49 PM

I broke both bones in my lower leg back in high school so to this day any leg breaky stuff, ESPECIALLY when compounded with a compound get to me.

;)

lonwolf615

08-08-06, 10:50 PM

As my grandpappy used to say:

"No matter how deep the descent, its bound to be over somebody's head." :)

MTyson

08-09-06, 12:12 PM

I think she was expecting a gorefest. After reading a couple of reviews I was feeling guilty because a lot of people mentioned the gore. This is the third film I've seen expecting a lot of gore from the reviews I've read, and then be left wondering what the shouting was about-Wolf Creek and Hostel are the other two. And they're not tame, but compared to the slasher/splatter films of the 80's there really isn't all that much to gross you out. My wife whispered to me a couple of times "I thought you said this was scary"- meaning she expected a lot of gore and blood. She can't handle that. I'm still wondering did they cut some out from the UK version?

I saw the UK version. Awesome horror flick. The best I've seen in a while. It sure felt like a gorefest btw. Lots of gruesome stuff happening. Looked superb on my CRT projector btw. :D You sure she was watching the same flick? lol. How much gore does she need? If she wants gore rent Dead Alive. Nothing else even comes close. :)

What is the US ending like? I'm guessing the gave it more a of a happy ending.

If you really want to check out a non horror/comedy (just plain horror) with plenty of gore check out The Hills Have Eyes (there was some gruesome scenes in his other film High Tension as well).

PooperScooper

08-09-06, 12:23 PM

What is the US ending like? Look above. It's been mentioned a time or two.

larry

thehun

08-09-06, 12:28 PM

I didn't think it was that gory either.

I agree with some of what Fettastic said, the crawlers[yes they're not called the "whiteys"] were rather non scary looking and they were quiet frail, if a couple of chicks would kick their butts.

Is High Tension is out on DVD [R1]? I keep hearing about this film but somehow it went under my radar.

mrhan

08-09-06, 12:35 PM

PooperScooper

08-09-06, 12:36 PM

High Tension R1 came out last October.

larry

Airboss

08-09-06, 04:46 PM

I didn't think it was that gory either.

I agree with some of what Fettastic said, the crawlers[yes they're not called the "whiteys"] were rather non scary looking and they were quiet frail, if a couple of chicks would kick their butts.

That's one feature I liked..

The crawlers/whiteys weren't super human (or maybe I should say super crawlers),they were killable, they were frail just like humans are frail. If you fought hard enough you had a chance. Unlike Jason/Freddy/etc.

Edil

08-09-06, 05:31 PM

[QUOTE=Airboss]

Oh I'm sure there was a test screening of The Cave even before that, but really, it's pointless.

There was a trailer of The Cave out at least 6 months prior to its release as well. At that point it looked cool. At that point it was unique. The CGI was the only thing The Cave had going for it and The Descent didn't even have that. Imagine The Cave with guys in elf suits instead of CGI monsters and that's The Descent.

The film was not remotely scary. I mean, we've established that these things can't see, even though they react to light. :rolleyes: but apparently they can't smell or hear either because one of them was 2" away from a girl who sat there quivering and whimpering as it strolled on by. I mean, come on folks, HONESTLY!

I don't know if I understand you correctly but according to what was said in The Cave's DVD extras and also what has been discussed in other threads (The Cave vs. Pitch Black (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=627917)), The Cave have minimal, if none at all, CGI effects.

The creatures from the cave were not computer generated but puppets. The caves and the underwatter locations were all real, filmed with high definition digital cameras.

The quality of the picture and the cinematography is so good that it was reason enough for me to purchase the DVD and I consider it reference material.

Now I agree that the plot wasn't good but it wasn't that bad either.

thehun

08-09-06, 06:13 PM

That's one feature I liked..

The crawlers/whiteys weren't super human (or maybe I should say super crawlers),they were killable, they were frail just like humans are frail. If you fought hard enough you had a chance. Unlike Jason/Freddy/etc.

Based on th all the human remains they were quiet skilled, or they should had been. It's not about that they were super or not, but they had quiet an advantage, even though they were blind. They knew the territory, and they do this for a "living". The girls on the other hand while athletic, weren't "commandoes" if you know what I mean, not to mention the'y were outnumbered.but I guess they had to make a movie with what they had.

thehun

08-09-06, 06:41 PM

Is this High Tension you guys are talking about?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338095/

Airboss

08-09-06, 07:05 PM

Is this High Tension you guys are talking about?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338095/

Yes

lonwolf615

08-09-06, 08:16 PM

I guess I'm the one afraid it would be a gorefest, going by the reviews, and was feeling guilty about taking her. So I over prepared her for it, knowing she dislikes that kind of film.
But really M, you thought it was gory? The resetting of the fractured leg made me squirm a moment, but overall I thought it was a film that depended more on suspense than an excess of blood..And thats not a bad thing...
High Tension was really good I thought( although not as good as this) and I really have to watch the HHE remake-rented it twice without getting to it because...well, you know..

thehun

08-10-06, 03:10 AM

Best Buy has High Tension for $3.99, but I'm afraid that's all it worth.My rental place only had the full screen version. This movie sucked!

Dave Mack

08-10-06, 11:58 AM

I too thought The Descent was gory. I know it's really quick cuts and flashes but I have pretty bad ADD so my brain registers things very quickly. If you took screen captures of the different scenes I think you'd be surprised how much there was. The car scene alone in the beginning, agg....

:)

n737nc

08-10-06, 01:46 PM

OK, I'm upset now :( I pulled the trigger last week and ordered this film from Amazon UK, Got it last night and it won't play. I figured with all of the DVD players in my house(5 of them plus a laptop) that one of them would be able to play the movie. Nope :( Not one at all. I knew I was taking a gamble, guess I lost :(

Any CHEAP players out there that will play foreign movies?

Thanks,
Nick

MTyson

08-10-06, 01:54 PM

lonwolf615

08-10-06, 01:58 PM

[QUOTE=Dave Mack]I too thought The Descent was gory. I know it's really quick cuts and flashes but I have pretty bad ADD so my brain registers things very quickly. If you took screen captures of the different scenes I think you'd be surprised how much there was. The car scene alone in the beginning, agg....

:)

Well, I guess there are 2 possible explainations for my view. One is I was so in to the film that the gore never pulled me out of it, so I accepted it as a natural progresion of the story. It didn't stick out like a sore thumb in other words, or draw too much attention to itself.
The other explaination is I watched WAY too many slasher films back in the 80's...:)

n737nc

08-10-06, 02:03 PM

Got a DVD-Rom for your PC?

Yes sir I do!

I just tried it in my laptop and it will let me watch it there. But I guess I can only swap between the formats 5 times total.....then I'm not sure what happens after the 5th time.

So at least I'll get to watch it tonight, although the computer speakers suck! :D

MTyson

08-10-06, 02:04 PM

Well, I guess there are 2 possible explainations for my view. One is I was so in to the film that the gore never pulled me out of it, so I accepted it as a natural progresion of the story. It didn't stick out like a sore thumb in other words, or draw too much attention to itself.
The other explaination is I watched WAY too many slasher films back in the 80's...:)

Watch Dead Alive and nothing in comparison will ever seem gory again. :D

mrhan

08-10-06, 03:48 PM

Yes sir I do!

I just tried it in my laptop and it will let me watch it there. But I guess I can only swap between the formats 5 times total.....then I'm not sure what happens after the 5th time.

So at least I'll get to watch it tonight, although the computer speakers suck! :D

Download this. It works in the background. Once you use up your 5 region changes it will lock into the last region you pick. This software will automatically change the region for you forever as long as it's running.

http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=485

Or just go to Walmart and get the Cyberhome 300 for around $30 bucks. Cheapest way to go region free.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks.php?dvdplayer=cyberhome+300&hits=50

PooperScooper

08-10-06, 03:48 PM

Watch Dead Alive and nothing in comparison will ever seem gory again. :D
I was going to say that, but Dead Alive is more about shere volume of blood vs guts and stuff like crushed skulls and things. :) Maybe the Faces of Death series. I never watched them, but from what I hear they remind me of the movies they showed in driver's ed in high school to scare you. :) Heck, just go to Ogrish.com... :)

larry

Airboss

08-10-06, 04:10 PM

MTyson

08-10-06, 04:11 PM

Dave Mack

08-10-06, 05:02 PM

True, Dead Alive... Re-Animator.
To me those are like comic books though. GREAT comic books but like with Kill Bill, it doesn't make me go agg! The chestburster in ALIEN, made me go agg.
(New song title! "Things that make you go AGG..")
And actually some of the slasher flicks from the 80's are remembered to be gorier than they were. After Friday the 13th part one, 2 was very censored for an R Rating, yes? I just watched it and it's hardly gory at all. Halloween, not gory. I remember Fangoria talking about this. Like the scene with the guy in the wheelchair in F13 part 2 with the machete was heavily cut down.
"Nightmare" and Hellraiser were though....

:)

mrhan

08-10-06, 08:03 PM

After 5 times it will stay at whatever region you chose last. However, you can buy software for $20-$30 that will allow you to play all regions permanently.

Why pay for it when you can get it for free? The link to my post above has just that. Regionkiller works great and it's totally free.

lonwolf615

08-11-06, 02:00 AM

I don't really consider Holloween a slasher film, unless you'd also call Psycho one. Holloween just created F13, and all the slasher films came out of that,one. Dawn of the Dead piled it on pretty good too for its time.
The thing is I saw a lot or really bad movies back then out of my love for horror films. I couldn't brgin to name them all and most aren't worth mentioning. I only bring it up because of alll the hoopla over Wolf Creek and Hostel, and now this film, about how gory they were. Now that i've mellowed out some I really thought at least one of them would be more blood and guts than I really wanted to see, And it didn't happen-I wouldn't call any of them tame, but the gore really wasn't that bad in any of them.
Maybe it was Argento? Maybe after Inferno and Suspiria nothing else could shock me?

Dave Mack

08-11-06, 02:36 AM

I totally agree that Halloween isn't a slasher film but did get unfairly lumped into the genre. Halloween is much more of a hitchcockian suspense film IMHO.
Now Halloween II as much as I loved it is pretty close to being a slasher film!

:)

DavidML3

08-11-06, 09:32 AM

I think she was expecting a gorefest. After reading a couple of reviews I was feeling guilty because a lot of people mentioned the gore. This is the third film I've seen expecting a lot of gore from the reviews I've read, and then be left wondering what the shouting was about-Wolf Creek and Hostel are the other two. And they're not tame, but compared to the slasher/splatter films of the 80's there really isn't all that much to gross you out. My wife whispered to me a couple of times "I thought you said this was scary"- meaning she expected a lot of gore and blood. She can't handle that. I'm still wondering did they cut some out from the UK version?

They just dont make movies like the good ole 80's anymore. It is a different type of gore in the 80's like Wishmaster, Toxic Avenger, even Robocop 1 for crying out loud.

They were more into showing deformed faces, melted bodies,crazy amounts of splatter and blood, and crazy torture for extended periods of time. Today they pretty much give you the yelling and screaming but leave the rest up to your imagination.

MTyson

08-11-06, 10:15 AM

They just dont make movies like the good ole 80's anymore. It is a different type of gore in the 80's like Wishmaster, Toxic Avenger, even Robocop 1 for crying out loud.

They were more into showing deformed faces, melted bodies,crazy amounts of splatter and blood, and crazy torture for extended periods of time. Today they pretty much give you the yelling and screaming but leave the rest up to your imagination.

Wishmaster came out in 1997. :)

lonwolf615

08-11-06, 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=DavidML3]They just dont make movies like the good ole 80's anymore. It is a different type of gore in the 80's like Wishmaster, Toxic Avenger, even Robocop 1 for crying out loud.

They were more into showing deformed faces, melted bodies,crazy amounts of splatter and blood, and crazy torture for extended periods of time. Today they pretty much give you the yelling and screaming but leave the rest up to your imagination.

Or maybe its just moved into the mainstream while horror films have become preoccupied with special effects? The most unsettling death I've ever seen on film would be the murder of the hit woman in Munich. THAT one broke through the wall in a way no horror film ever has. And I've seen 1000's of horror films.

oops.Thanks for catching that larry. myface is red.

oink

08-11-06, 03:00 PM

The emotional punch from that scene in Munich far exceeds nearly all other horror deaths in film.
Maybe it is true horror??

Dave Mack

08-11-06, 04:04 PM

They certainly didn't leave anything to the imagination with the unrated "High Tension" though..! :)
Also one reason I think that many horror films might be less gory is that many go for PG-13 now to get a larger audience, (The Ring, I think?) Technically a kid under 17 can't go see an R rated film without an adult. (Not that alot of the theatres actually enforce that...) Then the studio can release a bloodier unrated version later on DVD...

tbass2k

08-11-06, 05:40 PM

I just watched the English/PAL version of this yesterday. From reading through this post I am getting the impression that no one really knows what the ending was all about right? What I got was that Sarah fell down and was knocked unconscious, when we saw her the next time(after we saw the other characters actual demise), we were now watching Sarah's dream sequence. She then wakes up and is right where she fell, alone.

P.S. Is her daughter and the B-Day cake significant?

lax01

08-12-06, 05:56 PM

P.S. Is her daughter and the B-Day cake significant?

naw i don't see how it could be :P :P

Dave Mack

08-12-06, 05:58 PM

Just signifies happier times from the commentary.

tbass2k

08-12-06, 08:43 PM

My bad Pooper on not adding the spoiler tags, I just thought that 12 pages in, spoilers would kinda be obvious, but I should've used them.

PooperScooper

08-12-06, 09:32 PM

spoiler tags are obvious in the 12 pages. :)

larry

jrusnak

08-15-06, 01:21 PM

Don't know about the upcoming R1 DVD, but I don't recall the US release having anything added. It sounds like the US release is an "end lopped off" version of the R2 release. From all the info around I've seen, the R2 DVD is definitive of the original work. In fact, weren't some speculating that the US release had gore removed? Maybe I misread.

larry

The U.S. release is listed as being 99 minutes long. But the UK DVD lists a running time of 95 minutes! Maybe gore was ADDED to the U.S. version? (Haven't watched the DVD yet.)

slb

08-15-06, 01:22 PM

Has anyone who owns the R2-DVD seen the U.S. theatrical release? Maybe it's been posted, but I'd like to know what specifically has been changed. So far, all of the posts I've read discussing this seem to be conjecture. I'm looking for a definitive list of the differences.

-Steve

Wytchone

08-15-06, 04:52 PM

Now I have to see the original ending. Liked this movie very much.

Dave Mack

08-15-06, 05:09 PM

The U.S. release is listed as being 99 minutes long. But the UK DVD lists a running time of 95 minutes! Maybe gore was ADDED to the U.S. version? (Haven't watched the DVD yet.)

PAL speed up.

oink

08-15-06, 10:05 PM

PAL speed up.

Did anyone notice any PAL speed-up issues/problems?

I didn't....used Oppo 970hd and was just fine. :)

aubsxc

08-16-06, 01:24 AM

Did anyone notice any PAL speed-up issues/problems?

I didn't....used Oppo 970hd and was just fine. :)

Played flawlessly on my Oppo 971H as well.

Dave Mack

08-16-06, 01:29 AM

Has nothing to do with that. Pal film transfers run 4% faster since they speed up the telecine from 24fps (film's speed) to 25fps to match the PAL system.

http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Articles/PALSpeedUp/PALSpeedUp.asp

Of course it plays flawlessly on the Oppo. It just plays 4% faster. Many people don't notice it. I have many PAL discs and only sometimes I do notice it. Ususally on music because the pitch change is more obvious. I have Season 6 of Buffy and in the musical for example, all the songs are 1/2 step higher in pitch. Being a musician, I notice it in that instance. The oppo plays PAL discs at their native resolution and at 50hz. if you make sure the player is set for AUTO or PAL. But If you run a PAL disc at NTSC you are throwing away 20% of the vertical reolution and introducing 50-60-hz. artifacts from conversion.

:) d

n737nc

08-16-06, 07:26 AM

Ok, so I finally got to watch the UK DVD last night. LOVED IT!!

I was eating chips and pico on the couch when Sarah was standing at the window in the cabin and..........lets just say I had to pause the movie to clean up the pico :D

Excellent movie!

JohnGZ28

08-16-06, 09:44 AM

Did anyone notice any PAL speed-up issues/problems?

Didn't notice any with my Denon 3910, but this is my first Region 2/PAL disc so I could be missing something.

PooperScooper

08-16-06, 09:48 AM

The PAL speed-up audio pitch change is the only inherent issue of 24fps PAL movies. The only time you'll run into problems playing PAL movies is converting them to NTSC (60Hz) in the process.

larry

Dave Mack

08-16-06, 11:56 AM

Films are shot at 24 fps. PAL discs run at 50 hz. or 25 fps. Virtually all films are transferred to PAL at 25fps. Just easier. Pal discs play 4% faster whether you play them in PAL or convert them to NTSC. They are transferred at a 4% faster speed. I have watched my R2 Buffy discs both converted to NTSC and at native pal, oppo player supports both and my pj accepts both. The discs run the same. The pitch is 1/2 step higher no matter if I am watching native Pal or Pal converted to ntsc. It's not really a problem. Some argue that Pal discs look better (added resolution aside) because there is no judder from 3/2 pulldown being applied.
If people aren't noticing the speed up it's because they have no frame of reference. Anyone play a PAL dvd of something they know, like Star Wars or Flash Gordon? If you really know the music well you will hear the difference. Unless it's electronically pitch corrected like the LOTR discs.

Anyways, what I was answering was someone thought that maybe the USA release would have "added gore" because of the longer running time and I was just explaining that the reason the R2 dvd is "shorter" is because of the Pal speed up.

For example...
Here is the runtime for the R1 "Sin City" dvd...

Run Time: 126 minutes

and the R2...

Run Time: 119 minutes

That's what I meant by Pal speed up...

;)

PooperScooper

08-16-06, 01:08 PM

You are absolutely correct. I neglected to say "noticeable" difference (and it was what my mind was thinking). I should just watch PAL movies all the time and that way I can get in an extra movie every 20 movies or so. :)

larry

Dave Mack

08-16-06, 03:06 PM

That's a good idea!

;)

Interestingly, on certain shows that they knew would be on TV in the UK and Europe, they sped up the film cameras and shot at 25fps like Space 1999. BUT, when they did the dialog replacement looping sessions, they had it at 24fps in whatever studio they used so whenever you hear a dubbed line from say Martin Landau or Barbara Bain, the pitch is higher. Noticeable to me.

I got so used to watching my R2 Buffy sets (Seasons 4-7) that when I switched back to the R1, to me everybody sounded weird even though they were correct, Willow and Xander's voice were noticeably lower.

jrusnak

08-16-06, 11:06 PM

PAL speed up.

(Smacking my head!) Of course! Not sure why I didn't think of that, but thanks! The reason for my query was that I know British censors are even worse than the U.S. when it comes to violence. I mean, A CLOCKWORK ORANGE was banned for decades!

IrmoGamecoq

08-17-06, 10:11 AM

Finally saw this last night (US version). I liked it, but wasn't blown away...I think I had a case of high expectations after all the gushing here on the board.

Anyway, I'm a little confused as to what happened, especially after reading some of the spoiler discussion in this thread.

I thought the ending was fine as is, with the "scare shock" of seeing Juno in her Bronco II there at the end. Obviously, she wasn't *really* there, the character was just imagining it. Regardless, I thought it worked.

So the UK ending has that character back in the cave, with the supposed escape all imagined? Does it reconcile the entire Juno crippling as dream sequence?

If so, I think I prefer the US version...since the whole "it was all a dream sequence" nonsense leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I admit that the idea of the main character "turning" as a result of being bitten is intriguing and definitely has some merit. I definitely didn't pick up on that while watching though.

Some other questions:

I don't really remember the sequence of events after the main character fell into that hole. Didn't she dream something then too? Only to wake up and find herself back in the hole? Viewers of the US version, help me out here.

Was anyone else pissed at what happened to Juno? That seemed to be an awfully bad thing to happen to her (crippling her and leaving her to her death at the hands of the crawlers) considering all she had done was:

- Evidently have an affair with the main character's husband.
- ACCIDENTALLY kill one of the girls when she was SNEAKING up behind her. She did leave her for dead, but it was pretty obvious she was going to die anyway.

Maybe I just liked Juno, but I thought she got a raw deal from the survivor.

Thoughts?