Is there any way you can test the captures on a different computer? I haven't used MF5 for capture, but I do know that capture can be corrupted by both hardware and software problems. This may not be your problem, but it's one way of narrowing down the possiblities.

yes, I will try it on a different computer tonight and report back. Thanks for your suggestion, Joe.

Has anyone else tried to mix SD Digital Video and HD video on a single HD-DVD?

Just for kicks, I captured standard DV video from a Sony camcorder. Then I captured some HD video from a HC-3. MF5 converted the SD video, left the HD video alone and created the HD-DVD disc content.

When I try to play back the disc in the Toshiba A1, it doen't recognize the disc at all and gives me a "No Play" message on the display.

I tried different capture methods with no success. I'm thinking maybe that MF5 doesn't "upconvert" the video properly for the Toshiba to recognize.

I've just used x264 to encode a 2 hour 1080i MPEG file as a h264 file that will fit on a single layer. It looks wonderful when I play it on my PC. Of course, MF5 cannot read it in, so I'm still forced to use the MPEG format.

Ive found a slider for mpeg compression quality on MF5...the default setting for mine was at 90%...I also was curious as to wether or not I should bump it to 100%.



Looks like the resolution loss in the testpattern disc is not improved by sliding the compression quality up to 100%. I think the problem occurs in the interlacing process in MF5, but I'm not sure I can control that. I'll try to find an AVI to MPEG2 converter that will do a good job and allow MF5 to leave the format intact.

Looks like the resolution loss in the testpattern disc is not improved by sliding the compression quality up to 100%. I think the problem occurs in the interlacing process in MF5, but I'm not sure I can control that. I'll try to find an AVI to MPEG2 converter that will do a good job and allow MF5 to leave the format intact.

I appreciate your efforts and your sharing with us.

Has anyone authored a 720p disc yet? I'm curious to see if 720p content looks fine at 720p, and how it looks scaled at 1080i.

Mike,

I would suggest you go back to your original pattern generation step. This time save it as an PNG or some other lossless format rather than a JPEG which has it's own built in degradation. I doub't it will help your current issue, but it'll give you a much cleaner starting point. Also, encode the disc at 1080P, not 1080I.

Vern

EDIT: This did not work. I was wrong. ulead MF 5 actually converted the file to MPEG-2 and then it authored the HDDVD :(


I was successfully able to author an HD-DVD using VC1 source.

Here's what I did:


Download "the living sea" from the wmv-hd web site. I used the 1080p version.

unzip the exe file into "the living sea.wmv"

I downloaded trial versions of Ulead's movie factoy 5 and Nero 7.

I followed the instructions on this thread to author and burn the project.

It played on my Toshiba HD DVD player, but the "display" button showed "mpeg-2". It was not converted, because it only took a couple of minutes to burn the project. Also there was a slight motion judder on the image.

-Techtom

PS I also tried h.264, but I used a 1280x720p@29.97Hz which dr1394 said wouldn't work, and it didn't. I'll try h.264 again when I get another clip.

yes, I will try it on a different computer tonight and report back. Thanks for your suggestion, Joe.

well, finally I found what my problem was. The setting in the MF5 has to be selected in each step instead of just one time at the beginning of the new project. I picked 1920HD before capturing thinking that the MF5 would retain the setting throughout the project, but actually it went back to 1440HD before the authoring process so the video came out 4:3 and had a lot of artifacts.

Now the video is playing perfectly on A1, but the audio is only available on analog stereo. is this the case with your burned HD DVD discs using the process described in this thread as well?

Thanks guys for your help.

I posted this under the HD-DVD hardware forum, but thought I should post in this thread, since a few people have reported audio problems with their homemade HD-DVDs when they have tried them in some stores, yet not in others.

I've been making some home-made DVD HDs from HD recordings, and all playback perfectly on my Toshiba player. On the weekend a friend of mine bought his player, and I brought my discs over to his place. The same discs that play fine on my setup, have stuttering audio on his setup. We both have Yamaha recievers, but he has one model up from mine, in the same series. We are both outputting via a coaxial digital cable. He tried optical with the same results. Switching the DVD player to 2 channel PCM fixes the problem, albiet with no 5.1 audio. How come my setup works great, but his doesn't?

An incompatibility in his Yamaha reciever or possibly a different firmware revision of the Toshiba player??




Any thoughts??

Goldy -

If you want your Sony HC1 footage to look its best, you need to forget about all these settings and make sure that the option "Do Not Convert Compliant MPEG Files" under "Project Settings" (little cogwheel icon in lower left corner of the window) is checked.

With this setting checked, DVDMF5 DOES NOT do any conversion to your HC1 footage and leaves it in its original, pristine format. Once you start messing with the other options, the program will start to convert the footage and you will loose some sort of quality.....

Aaron

Thx Aaron, I will always leave that box checked. It seems that of the 3hrs it takes to author my HD file (of maybe 20 minutes of HC1 footage..) almost 95% of the time is when it is creating the in DVD menus...the actual content seems to fly by...so I think that boads well!

Although I can capture and author the files according to this threads instruction, I seem to be having problems getting Nero 7 to burn the DVD's. Yes, I ususally get the 2 warning messages, which I ignore (or more speciafically, click to proceed anyways....) but then I usually get a "burn failure" pop up. After trying with a DVD+ RW many times, I actually got it to burn once out of maybe 10 attempts....is there something Im doing wrong, or perhaps out of sequence?

I go the the burn ron area for dvd videos, I create a new disc, and get the setup screen that is mentioned many times in this thread. I drag my HVDVD folder to the left side, so that it is with the video and audio folders , and then I place the Video-ts.VOB file into the video folder .When the burn option lights up, I press it to start the burn. Then, I get the standard 2 messages that there are "errors", which I bypass, and then, just after my buffer loads, I get the burn fail popup, and have to start again. Is there a specific order in which I should be dragging and dropping these folders and files in? why would it work some times and not other times....Ive made sure to follow these instructions to a "T".

Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Techtom]I was successfully able to author an HD-DVD using VC1 source.

Here's what I did:


Download "the living sea" from the wmv-hd web site. I used the 1080p version.

unzip the exe file into "the living sea.wmv"

I downloaded trial versions of Ulead's movie factoy 5 and Nero 7.

I followed the instructions on this thread to author and burn the project.

It played on my Toshiba HD DVD player, but the "display" button showed "mpeg-2". It was not converted, because it only took a couple of minutes to burn the project. Also there was a slight motion judder on the image.

-Techtom

Hi Techtom,

I did the same steps as you say. I already made many trials using VC1 source, and it is true and possible to have VC1 as SOURCE, but the video is converted to MPEG2.

Take a look in the file size of the movie and please tell me, The_Living_Sea_1080.wmv in VC1 was 153.969 and the output folder without menus 334.400 the convertion is fast depending on the computer configurations, but unfortunatelly the file is MPEG2.

I'm also trying to use DVDSP4 and as all other users in the Apple forum the menus and h.264 don't work... The menu appear but you can't see the subpictures an d H264 just show I frames and about 5 seconds...

I still looking to find a software to use VC1 and H.264 :(

PS: I tryed in the Toshiba XA1 player

Well, I dont seem to be having the same success as you guys. My first disc I burned from an iso that I created with MF5 and it came up as notread on the player. The second disc I burnt from a folder through Nero 7 was seen as a CD in the player....

I did attempt a menu in those discs so I'm redoing without now.

Wes

Tried again from an ISO with no menu. Still no luck.

I'll get some different media tomorrow and see if that helps. I have been using Ridata -R

Wes

Well, I dont seem to be having the same success as you guys. My first disc I burned from an iso that I created with MF5 and it came up as notread on the player. The second disc I burnt from a folder through Nero 7 was seen as a CD in the player....

I did attempt a menu in those discs so I'm redoing without now.

Wes

I've had similar results, but a lot more success. Your problem could be related to your burner or your source files (or bugs in MF5 - I still haven't gotten menus to work consistently).

The burner could be the problem. I could not get double layer discs to be recognized without setting the Book Type to DVD-ROM. Unfortunately, most players don't give you that option. They set the Book Type automatically. I have one burner that can set the Book Type, a Mad Dog external 16x. My Pioneers don't allow it. (In Nero 7 you set the Book Type under the "Options" button when you select the recorder. I'm not sure if you can do it in earlier versions. Plextools for the Plextor writers allow you to do it, also.)

The source files could be part of the problem. Most 1080i files work well, but I have a series I really like called HD Getaways. None of these shows work well with this process. Even though they report being 1920x1080i, normal files, they have to undergo a serious conversion process. It takes forever and the resulting HD DVDs don't play well in the Toshiba.

Most files seem to work well, as long as I haven't run them through HDTVtoMPEG2 or VideoRedo. These files choke Movie Factory 5 and so far I haven't been able to come up with a way to salvage them. Unfortunately, I have a lot of programs that I've run through one or the other of these programs. (HDTVtoMPEG2 converted files mostly work OK as long as I haven't done edits in the middle of the program. Edits at the start and end seem to allow them to be used in MF5. In fairness to both these programs, I 'm not at all sure if they are at fault or it is simply that MF5 isn't flexible enough to manage the files. It doesn't seem to know what to do with 720p files, at least not without serious conversion).

Some feature films work and others do not. I haven't picked up on a pattern here yet, just as I can't tell which Discovery HD programs will work. It may well have to do with the original source equipment with which the programs were shot. That's just conjecture.

We have to keep in mind that this is the first stage of a process that allows us to begin to author HD discs. It will only get better. Take the menuing system, for instance. It allows you to create very DVD like menus, but not the more interactive menus used on commercial HD DVD discs. Those menus can overlay on top of the video while it plays.

I'm just happy to be able to create some discs inexpensively and effectively. They'll no doubt look fairly primitive down the line, but at least it's possible to do it now. I didn't expect this to happen for some time. If you look back to earlier posts in this thread, I'm the one who got so excited about this process that I broke my vow to stay out of the format war. I bought a player based on this thread. It was worth it to have a player for my own stuff, much less the possibilities with recorded content from OTA and satellite.

I've been able to improve the test pattern disc I discussed earlier by converting my avi file to mpeg2 with Sony Vegas MSPE6.0 before feeding to Ulead MF5. The vertical resolution is now fine all the way to Nyquist. Horizontal resolution looks OK on component out, but a little fuzzy on HDMI. There's a strong shimmer/waviness around the narrowest stripes. I'll update the HVDVD_TS zip file at the web link I mentioned earlier.

I should also mention that on discs I burn, the single frame advance feature works, and slow/FF shows on-screen indications of speed (1/2,1/4,1/8,>,>>,>>>). Wish the commercial discs would do the same.

Vern - thanks for the comments on PNG. I'll do that next round to avoid JPG artifacts (although I did save with quality level "12" in Photoshop which is not so lossy). I was also able to confirm with QuickTime Pro that the avi maintains full resolution and the resolution loss was happening in MF5's transcoding.

Also, remember that the Toshiba doesn't officially support DVD+R.

Vern

Also, remember that the Toshiba doesn't officially support DVD+R.

Vern

Maybe not officially, but that's all I've used with it and that has not been an issue for me.

Pioneer burners automatically set DL discs as DVD-ROM. It's in their firmware.

Pioneer burners automatically set DL discs as DVD-ROM. It's in their firmware.

I haven't been able to get the Pioneer burners to give me a good burn (one the Toshiba HD-A1 can read) on a DL disc. Do you know any software that can read the Book Type from a disc that's already been burned (Nero maybe)? Nero comes up without the option to set the Book Type for the Pioneer burners. The Mad Dog allows bitsetting, and it gives me a disc the A1 has no trouble reading.

I have converted several hours of video from the Sony HC1 to DVD.

I use HDVSplit to capture in .TS format.
VideoReDo to convert to Mpg.
UMF5 to create the HD folder.
RecordNow to make the image and burn to DVD.

This may sound like few extra steps but it goes extremely fast.
Capturing the video in UMF5 took forever because it wanted to render
after it was done.
I also tried Nero7 and could not make a disk that the A1 could read, RecordNow
by Sonic works every time.

Thanks for all the effort to all who made this possible, I can't believe I can actually record HD video on DVD this early in the game.

Has anyone else had a problem downloading the trail version of MovieFactory 5?

I've DL'd it twice, tried to extract it on 2 different PC's, and both times the setup tells me the file is corrupted. When I click "Trial Version" on the Download page, it says the trial version 5 is 82 MB, I click Download Now, it directs me to FTP Site 1. The actual DL'd file size is 85,629,868 bytes and is named "dmf5_tbyb_e.exe".

EDIT for "LovesMovies' post: Well Windows & the favors it does for you. In Win Explorer it says the file is 83.623 MB, but then in "Properties" it gives you the true file size - 81.6 MB (85,629,868 bytes)

I notice on the Purchase page it says "The DVD MovieFactory 5 download (ESD) file size is approximately 176 MB."

What is the actual files size of the Trial Version?

I just tried it and got exactly the same results "cannot unpack file, file is corrupted". I got 83.6mb.

Hmmm. In looking through the Ulead site, has anyone tried authoring an HD DVD witt their Video Studio 9 software? It looks like it's more designed for folks who want to edit their home camcorder movies and turn them into DVD's. But, there's a free HDV add-in for registered owners:
"HDV Plug-in for VideoStudio 9
The HDV solution suitable for everyone
Enjoy all the features of VideoStudio 9 as well as edit native 1080i High Definition video and enjoy lossless conversion to the editing software. This complete solution includes device control and capture*, and output to DVD, SVCD or VCD."

And, a free Mpeg4 add-in:
"Ulead MPEG-4 Plug-in for VideoStudio 9
Movie Making for Apple®iPod®and SONY®PSP™
The MPEG-4 plug-in for VideoStudio 9 lets you create video files suitable for any device - Apple® iPod®, Sony® PSP™ PDA, mobile phone or even DVD-quality for playback on compatible DVD players. Choose from widescreen and standard picture sizes. "

EDIT: Thanks, rip - the DL from download.com worked fine. Also, it looks like I didn't dig far enough in the Ulead site. Those free add-ins are for VideoStudio 9. But StudioVideo 10, the current version, apparently already has them. Download.com has the trial version of StudioVideo10; I'm going to try it as well.

I'm looking to burn my HDTV OTA recordings into HD DVD's using DVD-5 -R's, as outlined in this forum. I use HDTVtoMpeg2 to edit out commercials & convert to mpeg2's in native resolution. It sounds like with VideoStudio9 & the free add-ins, I could directly edit the .ts captures, and then convert them into a burnable DVD files structure, fitting more content in using mpeg4. The A1's & XA1's read mpeg4, right?

Get it from download.com I didn't have any issues with it being corrupt.

Hi Techtom,

I did the same steps as you say. I already made many trials using VC1 source, and it is true and possible to have VC1 as SOURCE, but the video is converted to MPEG2.

Take a look in the file size of the movie and please tell me, The_Living_Sea_1080.wmv in VC1 was 153.969 and the output folder without menus 334.400 the convertion is fast depending on the computer configurations, but unfortunatelly the file is MPEG2.

I seriously doubt that the file was converted. The authoring part took less than a few minutes. The demo clip is just over 2 minutes. That would mean that the conversion from vc1 to mpeg2 occurred in about 2 minutes. The conversion from vc1 to mpeg at 1080p should take 4x to 8x realtime. The reason why the file is bigger, is that the audio was transcoded from wma to lpcm.

EDIT: BUZZ, I was wrong... It looks like Ulead MF5 is converting everything to MPEG-2. Now, I don't believe that It can actually pass untouched VC1 or H.264 to an HD-DVD. It wants to convert everything to MPEG-2


I'm also trying to use DVDSP4 and as all other users in the Apple forum the menus and h.264 don't work... The menu appear but you can't see the subpictures an d H264 just show I frames and about 5 seconds...



I'm working on h.264 too... I still need to capture a clip from the apple HD web site that has the right rate. Most of the clips are 1280x720p but at 29.97Hz which is not supported on HDdvd.

[QUOTE=DaveinTucson]Hmmm. In looking through the Ulead site, has anyone tried authoring an HD DVD witt their Video Studio 9 software? It looks like it's more designed for folks who want to edit their home camcorder movies and turn them into DVD's. But, there's a free HDV add-in for registered owners:
"
I believe DVD Movie Factory 5 is the only available software that can actually create a HD DVD iso file at this time. Video Studio 10 is waiting on the burning pack not yet released.

I just tried a quick test of Worldsport, one of the Voom channels on E*. It's 1280x1080i. MF5 did not have to convert the video. Too bad this process wasn't available before Dish made the move to HDLite for Voom. There were some beautiful shows back then. Now, they are all soft and hazy. They do work, though.

Didn't the dvd versions of MF also have this problem? I bought it early on but dumped it because it wouldn't let you use 'non-compliant' files.

Yes, it seems that Ulead MF will take 1280x1080i and not re-convert the video. I just burned Halloween from the Voom Monsters channel at the same resolution, and it didn't do any re-conversion. Yet recordings at 1440x1080 *do* need conversion. Strange.

Has anyone converted a 720P recording in MF yet? How does it look?


Marc.

Yes, it seems that Ulead MF will take 1280x1080i and not re-convert the video. I just burned Halloween from the Voom Monsters channel at the same resolution, and it didn't do any re-conversion. Yet recordings at 1440x1080 *do* need conversion. Strange.

Has anyone converted a 720P recording in MF yet? How does it look?


Marc.
It's not my experience that it converts HDV at1440x1080, but many films that report 1920x1080i and normal bit rates need conversion.

Yes, it seems that Ulead MF will take 1280x1080i and not re-convert the video. I just burned Halloween from the Voom Monsters channel at the same resolution, and it didn't do any re-conversion. Yet recordings at 1440x1080 *do* need conversion. Strange.

Has anyone converted a 720P recording in MF yet? How does it look?


Marc.

That's what I'm trying to do. I have this season's "24" episodes recorded on my HTPC in their native 720p broadcast format. I'd love to burn them off in HD DVD format to play on my XA1. It's pretty disapointing that MF5 will only output in 1440x1080 or 1920x1080 in mpeg2 - it indicates the DVD folder will be 9.6GB. That's for the 1 hour show with commercials removed& converted to mpeg2 using HDTVtoMpeg2, with a resulting file size of 2.73GB. I realize it's asking alot to burn HD DVD content off to DVD-R (4.5GB) vs. dual layer (9GB) disks, but at $.25 per disk compared to $2.00, while not push the envelope? If MF5 supported outputting to the original 720p format and, even better, outputting in .264 mpeg4, it should fit.

That's what I'm trying to do. I have this season's "24" episodes recorded on my HTPC in their native 720p broadcast format. I'd love to burn them off in HD DVD format to play on my XA1. It's pretty disapointing that MF5 will only output in 1440x1080 or 1920x1080 in mpeg2 - it indicates the DVD folder will be 9.6GB. That's for the 1 hour show with commercials removed& converted to mpeg2 using HDTVtoMpeg2, with a resulting file size of 2.73GB. I realize it's asking alot to burn HD DVD content off to DVD-R (4.5GB) vs. dual layer (9GB) disks, but at $.25 per disk compared to $2.00, while not push the envelope? If MF5 supported outputting to the original 720p format and, even better, outputting in .264 mpeg4, it should fit.

I've yet to have the patience to let a 720p show reencode. Of more interest to me is your having edited the file with HDTVtoMPEG2 and getting MF5 to load it. I find that unless I edit only the start and end of the file (i.e. without editing commercials from the middle), H2M edited files won't even load into MF5. It just sits there forever.

Hopefully, 720p support will be added soon. I have several shows I'd like store in native HD DVD 720p.

I've yet to have the patience to let a 720p show reencode. Of more interest to me is your having edited the file with HDTVtoMPEG2 and getting MF5 to load it. I find that unless I edit only the start and end of the file (i.e. without editing commercials from the middle), H2M edited files won't even load into MF5. It just sits there forever.

Hopefully, 720p support will be added soon. I have several shows I'd like store in native HD DVD 720p.

Well, the HDTVtoMPEG2 edited files load fine in MF5 fine for me. I'm trying my first recode of 720p. I was hoping MF5 would not reencode to 1080 as I checked "Do not reformat compliant mpeg files". But, after 1 hour MF% is only at 6%, so I guess it is converting the file to 1080. I"ll check & see what the files look like when it's done. AVicodec should tell me what the rez is.

It also won't take files that are 1920x1088. That extra 8 lines forces the program to re-encode. A real bummer :(

I've had no problems at all if the file is 1920x1080 though, regardless of how or what it was recorded with, after running it through Womble MPEG-VCR.


Looks like we need to find a replacement for Ulead MF 5


Marc.

Well, the HDTVtoMPEG2 edited files load fine in MF5 fine for me. I'm trying my first recode of 720p. I was hoping MF5 would not reencode to 1080 as I checked "Do not reformat compliant mpeg files". But, after 1 hour MF% is only at 6%, so I guess it is converting the file to 1080. I"ll check & see what the files look like when it's done. AVicodec should tell me what the rez is.

When you say the H2M files load fine, do you mean they load as quickly (just a few seconds) as other files, or do they take a long while? Maybe I'm not waiting long enough. I give up after several minutes. Which version of H2M are you using?

It also won't take files that are 1920x1088. That extra 8 lines forces the program to re-encode. A real bummer :(

I've had no problems at all if the file is 1920x1080 though, regardless of how or what it was recorded with, after running it through Womble MPEG-VCR.


Looks like we need to find a replacement for Ulead MF 5


Marc.

What is your source for recording? I have an R5000-HD on a modded Dish 211. Some 1920x1080 files load fine and others want to re-encode. I'm running them through Womble, too. Some files are accepted by MF5 at the load file stage, and fly through the auto chapter setup, then want to reencode the final stage.

Joe, most of my files were recorded from Dish Network /Expressvu and DirecTV using 169time.com firewire modded recievers. Some were done from OTA HD recordings on a PC-based HDTV tuner card.

Marc.

When you say the H2M files load fine, do you mean they load as quickly (just a few seconds) as other files, or do they take a long while? Maybe I'm not waiting long enough. I give up after several minutes. Which version of H2M are you using?

I played around with it this morning, loading some AVi's, non-H2M mpegs, 720p & 1080i H2M mpegs, and everything loads quickly (under 10 seconds) on my XP Pro AMD Athlon 64, 1GB RAM system.

All my OTA recordings were captured by my Fusion3 Gold NTSC card in my HTPC in orignal 720p or 1080i broadcast resolutions in Fusion's native .tp format. The .tp files were then loaded into HDTVtoMPEG2, version 1.11.83, scanned & removed any commercials, and then converted to mpeg2 by H2M.

Everything works fine; my only issue with MF5 is the output in HD DVD being restricted to 1440x1080 or 1920x1080 mpeg2 only. While current HD DVD titles are all in 1080p, 720p is a valid HD DVD format as well - why waste hours converting 720p to 1080i? It might fill the screen more, but no upconversion is goign to have any better resolution than the original content. And it's my understanding H.264 Mpeg4 is a supported HD DVD format - it would ne nice to be able to squeeze more content onto a DVD dish using Mpeg4. But then, maybe that's just too much to ask of a $50 software packge??

I think we need people who have played with UleadMF5 a lot here to share with the best settings they have discovered to speed up the process. On some video clips it is just painfully slow, but on others it seems to fly thru. So far I haven't had much luck with MF5's chapter edit/add feature, it always got stuck for some reason. is there anyway to accomplish this outside of Ulead MF5? and including the Menu seems to boggle the process down as well. Also as some members here mentioned before, multiple video clips on the same dics don't seem to play properly on HD-A1/XA1. is that your experience?

Anyway, if you have multiple video clips, what is the most efficient and guaratteed-to-work way you have discovered so far for the authoring process in Ulead MF5? thanks much for sharing your tips.

Dave, are you saying you're using HDTV2MPEG2 to convert to mpeg2? I thought that part of this app was nonfunctional.

Dave, are you saying you're using HDTV2MPEG2 to convert to mpeg2? I thought that part of this app was nonfunctional.

Sure, it's been there for several versions. I used to just use HDTVtoMPEG2 to strip out commercials and then leave it in .ts format becuase the files size was smaller. But mpeg2 is more useful for buring to DVD.

In HDTVtoMEG2, load a file into it. In the middle of the screen, just above the destination folder, it reads: Output File Name: Type
Just to the right of "Type" is a menu bar with which you can chose Mpeg2; Transport Stream, or HiDTV. Chose Mpeg2 and it will convert the recording file to mpeg2, in orginal format & resolution. Well, actually with 720p recordings I get mpeg2 files in 720p. With 1080i recordings, MF5 says they are 1088 - those 'extra' 8 lines that forces MF5 to want to re-encode them, as discussed in this thread.

I think we need people who have played with UleadMF5 a lot here to share with the best settings they have discovered to speed up the process. On some video clips it is just painfully slow, but on others it seems to fly thru. So far I haven't had much luck with MF5's chapter edit/add feature, it always got stuck for some reason. is there anyway to accomplish this outside of Ulead MF5? and including the Menu seems to boggle the process down as well. Also as some members here mentioned before, multiple video clips on the same dics don't seem to play properly on HD-A1/XA1. is that your experience?

Anyway, if you have multiple video clips, what is the most efficient and guaratteed-to-work way you have discovered so far for the authoring process in Ulead MF5? thanks much for sharing your tips.

On discs I've authored using menus, the process does slow significantly. I think the big reason may be the need to render several seconds of menu video to a lower resolution for each chapter. Also, when I did menus, I had some problems with the resulting discs not playing the first part of the video. It would skip roughly 3 minutes at the start. I believe this is simply a bug in MF5.

I create auto chapter markers, and this process always goes quickly on my sytems, so far anyway. This process goes fast even if MF5 thinks later that the video needs to be rendered (though it reports as 1920x1080i). I don't know of any program that will add chapters (in HD, anyway) outside MF5.

I haven't tried multiple clips on one disc yet. This is a very useful feature, if it works. I'll have to test it.

I'd like to give you settings that speed up the process, but outside the obvious one of checking the box that says don't reencode compatible video, I don't know of any. Some of my videos convert easily and some don't. I can't pick up on a pattern here. (Except in the case of the HD Getaways series, none of which will convert quickly or play well.)

What I am concentrating on right now is converting several videos that fit on single and double layer discs. I'm not doing much with menus, since all these shows are single episode programs, and using menus would just slow down the process unnecessarily. (Why bother to put a menu on a disc where there is only one show?) I have lots of material that fits this category. Doing something as simple as a demo reel, however, would require multiple clips on a disc, so if I needed that, it could be a problem.

Sure, it's been there for several versions. I used to just use HDTVtoMPEG2 to strip out commercials and then leave it in .ts format becuase the files size was smaller. But mpeg2 is more useful for buring to DVD.

In HDTVtoMEG2, load a file into it. In the middle of the screen, just above the destination folder, it reads: Output File Name: Type
Just to the right of "Type" is a menu bar with which you can chose Mpeg2; Transport Stream, or HiDTV. Chose Mpeg2 and it will convert the recording file to mpeg2, in orginal format & resolution. Well, actually with 720p recordings I get mpeg2 files in 720p. With 1080i recordings, MF5 says they are 1088 - those 'extra' 8 lines that forces MF5 to want to re-encode them, as discussed in this thread.

I'm going to have to go back and try again. Using the same version as you, if I strip out commercials I run into trouble. H2M doesn't regenerate the time code or the resulting MPEG, and MF5 chokes. I've been editing on different system, mainly an Intel 3.1GHZ P4, but also on an AMD64 3400+ and an AMD64 x2 4800+, and my results are pretty much the same as I described earlier.

Let me repeat one important thing about this process - it doesn't like all files equally. If I had chosen just 2 or 3 of the wrong kinds of files recorded on my systems, I might have given up on the process. Fortunately, I happened to choose a few programs first that worked well. Only after trying several others did I come across some that weren't friendly. I have had a lot more success than failure, but it's hardly a sure fire bet that all files are going to work or work quickly. When it does work well, it's very fast and painless to create an HD DVD. It will get better.

Let me repeat one important thing about this process - it doesn't like all files equally. ... When it does work well, it's very fast and painless to create an HD DVD. It will get better.

I have had very similar problems with most of the inexpensive DVD authoring programs. They were all very picky about demanding that the files be perfect -audio and video. I've been transcoding HD football games so they would fit on normal DVDs. I found Neros tools work, but don't do a good job transcoding fast motion video. Other tools would hang up unless the file is absolutely glitch free.

One thing to note is that MPEG files were not designed to be edited. It is pretty easy to screw up a file by editing it. MPEG players seem to be able to get over the occasional glitch in a file, authoring packages do not.

I found that Sony Vegas was by far the best program to transcode. I never tried Adobe Premiere, but I suppose it and other quality tools also work. My experience has been to process and/or transcode the program outside of MF5, and then use MF5 (or Nero) to create the DVD.

The same is probably true when dealing with HD-DVD.

I've found a workaround for a problem I've been having with files edited with HDTVtoMPEG2. Those files would cause MF5 to stall at the file input stage. Using H2M to create the MPEG file from the .ts file never worked for me. Womble MPEG-VCR created files that worked. However, files previously edited with H2M wouldn't work, even if I subsequently ran them through Womble. I noticed, when I tried, though, that the files seemed to stutter at the H2M edit points. What I did was to edit out the stutters in Womble. That is, I set in and out points around the H2M edit points and cut those out. That seems to have resolved the time code issues. They now load quickly into MF5 and I've created some HD DVD folders. I won't know for sure until I burn the discs tomorrow, but it looks like this works.

MPEG-VCR is a frame accurate MPEG editor that works very well. It's a pay program, but you can edit out commercials to the exact frame. H2M gives you about a 1/2 second (15 or 16 frames) of accuracy only. That's not enough for clean edits. There's usually part of a Bose commercial or some such that intrudes into the video. Womble also allows you to run multiple instances at the same time. So, I start 3 or 4 and go do something. When I come back, the MPEGs are there waiting for me.

Looks like I'll be able to salvage all the H2M edited material I have.

The H2M files burned and played flawlessly. The corrections I made in Womble worked.

I went through the process of letting MF5 convert an HD Getaways Bora Bora program, even though the video reports in H2M as 1920x1080i. The resulting HD DVD is playable, but there appears to be a frame rate incompatibility or a field dominance issue (I suspect the latter) that manifests during pans and zooms. I've seen the file play smoothly in MyHD, so I know how good the footage looks when it's played back properly. The conversion process also took about 6x normal on a P4 3.1 GHZ machine. It would be worth it if the conversion didn't butcher the video quality.

The H2M files burned and played flawlessly. The corrections I made in Womble worked.

Well, again my H2M files with no further editing load fine in MF5. I trying my first complete burn a 24 Fox "24" episode in 720p, commercials stripped & converted to mpeg2 with HDTVtoMpeg2. But, after 2 hours, MF5 is only 8% done, uselessly converting the 720p to 1080i.

I may be jumping the gun here, but it looks like the HD DVD file structure will be:

Top Folder: DMF_TEMP
Sub Folders:
AppResource (empty folder)
CvtedTitle (contains the mpeg file)
Menu_Resource (empty folder)
VIOTMP (empty folder)

- Does you completed HD DVD folder burn look like that? Does it have anything in the folders I indicated were empty?

Where I'm going with this is wondering if we can skip the MF5 'burn' process completely? Just use Nero Burning ROM or similar DVD burn software, re-create the folder structure, and just 'drop' the mpeg file directly into the CvtedTitle folder directly, with no conversion? I wonder if the A1/XA1 would just go ahead and play the mpeg file?

I doubt it will work. You might want to try creating a HVDVD_TS folder and put your MPEG file in it. But you need IFO files and such.

I converted some .ts files that had commercials edited out with H2M and it worked...I used version 1.11.83....that seemed to work....

Hi All,

I am planning to buy a Sony HDR-HC3 HDV camcorder and I have few questions. I appreciate it if someone can provide me with some info.

1- What is the extention of the video/audio file after you capture it by Ulead products? (i.e. mpg)

2- What is the video (display) size when camcorder is set to 16:9 recording mode? (1920x1080 OR 1440x1080)

3- What is the video (display) size when camcorder is set to 4:3 recording mode?

4- Ulead MF has two mode for making HD DVD. What would be the difference between making a HD DVD in Ulead MF if you select 1920x1080 or 1440x1080? What would be the results on the wide Screen TV for each of these two options.

5- Is there anywhere I can download a very short video sample made by HDV camcorders? (I prefer it was captured by ULead MF). Thanks.

You need to create an EVO file, which is an Enhanced Video Object (EVOB) that is basically an improved Video Object (VOB). Hopefully someone will create a muxer for this container and we can put h.264, mpeg2 or VC-1 streams and whatever audio streams we would want into it.

Yeah, I see it now. After 5+ hours of converting my 720p OTA HDTV recording, MF5 made a HDVD_TS folder with .IFO & .BUP files like DVD's, but with .EVO files for HD DVD instead of standard DVD .VOB files. Yeah, a muxer for this container will be great.

I'm going to try a couple of other things. My XA1 manual says "Recordable discs you can play on this player":

DVD-RAM, DVD-RW - DVD VR Mode recording. Anyone have any experience with this format?

DVD-R:
- DVD video mode recording (which of course only gives 720x480 rez)
- 4.7 GB for General (kinda hazy there, but I'm going to try just burning my mpeg of to a data DVD and see that the Tosh thinks of it)

Hi All,

I am planning to buy a Sony HDR-HC3 HDV camcorder and I have few questions. I appreciate it if someone can provide me with some info.

1- What is the extention of the video/audio file after you capture it by Ulead products? (i.e. mpg)

2- What is the video (display) size when camcorder is set to 16:9 recording mode? (1920x1080 OR 1440x1080)

3- What is the video (display) size when camcorder is set to 4:3 recording mode?

4- Ulead MF has two mode for making HD DVD. What would be the difference between making a HD DVD in Ulead MF if you select 1920x1080 or 1440x1080? What would be the results on the wide Screen TV for each of these two options.

5- Is there anywhere I can download a very short video sample made by HDV camcorders? (I prefer it was captured by ULead MF). Thanks.

Welcome to the club. You'll love the Sony camcorder. I have the HC1 and it's a great little camera.

1. Don't know for sure since I don't use MF5, but it's probably either m2t (mpeg2 transport stream) or mpg.
2 and 3. In HD mode you'll capture files that are 1440x1080i (standard HDV 1080i). Output as 4:3, they should be 720x480 (standard DVD). Playing back these files with something like MyHD or even VLC on a widescreen monitor will give you high quality HD (1440x1080i) 16x9 or standard def (720x480 DVD quality) 16x9.
4. You should have MF5 not convert compatible files (no reencoding necessary - check the appropritate box at the final stage of the HD DVD folder creation process). That way, the files are very quickly converted to EVO format. HDV looks terrific on my 720p projector. With that box checked, MF5 does not pay attention to the 1440/1080 selection you've made. It sees the files as compatible and doesn't recompress.
5. Follow this link for a few sample HDV clips. (Note: I couldn't find my links to HC1 footage, so this is for a Canon XLH1, a much higher end camcorder than the HC1 or 3, but it will give you an idea. The Canon will have lots more high end features, but these clips show the video quality of HDV.)

Some Canon XLH1 footage. (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=66319)

This is also a good forum for discussing issues related to HDV.

A few more tries have been unsuccessful with other quality media. I'm pretty sure it's my sourcefiles though, captured iwth MT. Oh well, the HTPC will be around for a while yet I guess....

All attempts to let MF reencode result in crashes...

Wes

Mike,

Is there a chance you could build some more test patterns such as a cross hatch for us CRT users out there?

Thanks,

Wes

When I burn the test patterns with the HDDVD_TS method, my A1 sees it as a CD...... My book type is DVD-ROM.

Wes

Mike,

Is there a chance you could build some more test patterns such as a cross hatch for us CRT users out there?

Thanks,

Wes

I've built a disc with most of the patterns found at http://www.w6rz.net
including a crosshatch pattern. I'll see if there's room on my server for the burn files, but it's pretty big. If you can use .ts files, you can get the crosshatch directly at http://www.w6rz.net/crosshatch.zip. I am working on another simple test pattern with moving CG objects + gray ramps + sine freq sweep + frame ID text. Will post that ~tomorrow.

By the way, if you tried my earlier test pattern, did you see the shimmering/flickering I mentioned on the fine pitched line pairs? I can't get rid of that in my setup. Not sure if it's the TV or player or content. I've tried upper frame and lower frame first interlaced and also progressive encodings using Vegas, but all burns have the problem.

How is it that ULead can author an HD DVD folder and have it transferred to disk via a red laser single or dual layer recording device and THEN have the resulting disk be readable with the HD-A1? I presume the HD-A1 is reading these custom HD DVD disks we are making here with its blue laser?

I realize I'm displaying my abundant ignorance of how DVD +/- recorders work here so please help me understand this...I thought the deal with blue laser devices was the shorter wavelength laser that allowed the reading of much more tightly compacted pits and lands. Is the ULead software somehow emulating that tighter pattern on conventional single and dual layer DVD-Rs?

I've gotten into the habit of checking the quality of the EVO files created by MF5 with Media Player Classic. It has trouble with audio, but seems to play the video fine. When MF5 recompresses and lowers the video resolution, this is clearly visible. So you can save yourself a disc and go back to your mpg source and try to change it to satisfy MF5's compliance test.

I think you are confusing the physical transport layer from the data layer. When the DVD disc is first inserted, it shows up as a DVD on the HD-A1 screen, the player inspects the folders (a reason it is slower than regular DVD) and determines there is HD content on the disc. It must have a preference of running the HD material first, the display then shows HDDVD and reads the disk as a normal DVD but unencodes the content as HD content. How the content is stored is not important, the player uses the laser it needs to read the media that is inserted in the player.

Thanks for the response Michael! IOW the HD-A1 is indeed using its red laser (the HD-A1 does have a red laser pickup in addition to blue correct?) to read our custom HD DVDs...it's just that the HD-A1's decoder recognizes the MPEG file as HD and streams it as HD right?

I am working on another simple test pattern ...


I've posted the files needed for a better test disc at http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv/ . What I'm after is a disc which (hopefully) shows the resolution advantage of your TV and player with an HD disc that's completely computer generated and maintains full resolution throughout the process. Hopefully it will be useful in comparing different TVs, players, HDMI vs component, etc. Here's an example single frame in the source:
http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv/singleFrameSmall.jpg

Click for full size single frame from source (http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv/singleFrameSource.jpg)

The main features as you can see are,
frame ID number text moving down left side
single pixel frame in one pixel from edge (sorry to CRT users!)
linear ramps of gray,red,green,blue with tic marks every 16/256
linear sine sweeps in each axis with tic marks every 10% of Nyquist
moving color CG objects with fine detail (imaginary laser diode packages)

The main limitation I see in my setup is a shimmering/flickering as narrowly spaced horizontal stripes approach the vertical Nyquist limit. There is some modulation beyond 90% Nyquist so it's not a resolution loss, but more of intensity fluctuations that dance around a bit. Here's a zoom of the lower left of the screen where I see this problem on my Sharp 45" LCD:
http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv/closupRez.jpg
I do not see the problem when driving the LCD panel directly from a PC, playing the EVO file full screen with mplayerc.exe. So the limitation could be in the player or the video processing of the Sharp. I don't think it could be in my source because the problem shows up in pause mode. Anyway, the picture still looks quite good - better than anything you can do with standard DVD.

If you're interested in burning this disc, unzip HVDVD_TS.zip file (263MB!) from the first link above and follow the instructions above as if Movie Factory 5 had just created that folder. I've been burning TDK DVD+Rs with Nero.

The flow I used for this project was POVRAY->bmp sequence->Matlab->uncompressed AVI->Vegas->m2t->rename to mpg->MF5->Nero.

[I'll go ahead and press post even though it will be nearly 2 more hours before the big file is completely transferred to the server]

If you're interested in burning this disc, unzip HVDVD_TS.zip file (263MB!) from the first link above and follow the instructions above as if Movie Factory 5 had just created that folder. I've been burning TDK DVD+Rs with Nero.
Just in case some haven't realized it yet, refrain from downloading the HVDVD_TS.zip file as it appears to be in the uploading stage. Just refresh the directory listing from time to time until the filesize settles around the figure Mike mentioned above (~263MB), or until Mike tells us when it's done. ;)

... or until Mike tells us when it's done. ;) The HVDVD_TS.zip file transfer is done. If you try it out, let me know if it worked and how it looked.

OK, I've been having some fun with this (some frustration as well). I've finally been able to create some disks. A few questions.

1) Can I assume that taking ts files from a HDTV recording and creating a disc this way with MF5 gives essentially the same quality as playing it back from your DVR?

2) Has anyone figured out how to author a 720p source yet? MF5 converts it to 1080i with a resulting much larger sized file. It would be interesting to see how the HD-A1 handles a 720p source on it's 720p output mode.

3) If I understand correctly, not much luck either on one of the advanced codecs? Pretty much have to stick to MPEG-2?

I took some video from my Sony HC1 camera that I had edited with Ulead Media Studio Pro 8. I used Ulead Video Studio 10 (appears to be the same HD-DVD burner facility as DVD Movie Factory). I created the files for HD-DVD and used Nero to burn to a DVD+R. The resulting HD-DVDs look great on the A1 except several times a minute, there is a split second video freeze - like it skpped a frame or two. The audio is fine. It took me a while to notice it because you can really only see it when there is something moving across the frame. You can't notice it on videos of flowers or landscapes. The same video played on DVHS tape doesn't have the same skipping.

Has anyone else noticed this? I'm thinking maybe I should play with the bit rate. Maybe the bit rate is too low and this is a compression artifact. Maybe the bit rate is too high and the standard DVD cannot sustain that data reate.

Idea anyone?

Thanks!

Joe

Here's another update of my test disc at http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/ .
This time I've added:
corner circular arcs to determine cropping (20 pixel radius steps)
crosshair grid every 10% for alignment/distortion tests
1x1 dots on even and odd positions (the color dots got lost in mpeg encoding)
2x2 dots on even and odd positions
added R,G,B sine resolution sweeps (resolution is 1/2 of luminance - mpeg)
These old features are still there:
frame ID number text moving down left side
single pixel frame in one pixel from edge (sorry to CRT users!)
linear ramps of gray,red,green,blue with tic marks every 16/256
linear sine sweeps in each axis with tic marks every 10% of Nyquist
moving color CG objects with fine detail (imaginary laser diode packages)

Here's an example single frame in the source:
http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/singleFrameSmall.jpg

Click for full size single frame from source (http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/singleFrameSource.jpg)

The 152 Mbyte HVDVD_TS.zip file will be at the link above in about 1 hour

I've gotten into the habit of checking the quality of the EVO files created by MF5 with Media Player Classic. It has trouble with audio, but seems to play the video fine. When MF5 recompresses and lowers the video resolution, this is clearly visible. So you can save yourself a disc and go back to your mpg source and try to change it to satisfy MF5's compliance test.

You can also use the VLC Media player to play the .EVO files, but it also has no audio.

These HD DVD's we are making with with Ulead DVD MF on regular DVD's to play on the A1.
Is there a software player for Windows that can play these like a regular DVD after we burn them?

These HD DVD's we are making with with Ulead DVD MF on regular DVD's to play on the A1.
Is there a software player for Windows that can play these like a regular DVD after we burn them?

That's a good question, but I don't know of any. I imagine there will be a delay for this because of the issues surrounding copy protection. In order to be able to play HD DVD or Blu-ray from the computer, there's going to need to be a huge layer of software and hardware copy protection. I imagine all the software players are working on this right now, but have to wait for final specs to release product.

If you have MyHD, it plays the EVO files back, too, but also without audio. No DVD-like playback, but it does allow you to check the video without possible system related slowdowns or glitches from a software player.

Mike,
I see you had issues with Vegas causing shimmering.
To render a still image set vegas to best, you probably already know this though!

That's a good question, but I don't know of any. I imagine there will be a delay for this because of the issues surrounding copy protection. In order to be able to play HD DVD or Blu-ray from the computer, there's going to need to be a huge layer of software and hardware copy protection. I imagine all the software players are working on this right now, but have to wait for final specs to release product.

Toshiba is selling a laptop with a HD-DVD player in it (they announced it as available on May 9th, but I don't know if you can actually buy one anywhere). It has HDMI output and I wonder if it has a software player. I'd be pissed if I paid $3000 for the computer and it wouldn't play HD-DVDs.

Mike,
I see you had issues with Vegas causing shimmering.
To render a still image set vegas to best, you probably already know this though!

Thanks - as I started to answer "yes I know about that", I reviewed all the settings and found the quality setting had slipped back to "Good". Maybe that's why the single dot color impulses didn't survive compression. Here are the settings I generally use:
W: 1920
H: 1080
Field Order: None (progressive)
Pixel aspect ratio: 1.000
Frame Rate 29.970 (NTSC)
Quality: Best (but the last zip I posted was from a "good" accidentally)
Deinterlace: None
Render as MPG2, with template HD 1080-30p


I'll regenerate with Best and post an updated zip.

Thanks - as I started to answer "yes I know about that", I reviewed all the settings and found the quality setting had slipped back to "Good". Maybe that's why the single dot color impulses didn't survive compression. Here are the settings I generally use:
W: 1920
H: 1080
Field Order: None (progressive)
Pixel aspect ratio: 1.000
Frame Rate 29.970 (NTSC)
Quality: Best (but the last zip I posted was from a "good" accidentally)
Deinterlace: None
Render as MPG2, with template HD 1080-30p


I'll regenerate with Best and post an updated zip.
Can you tell me which version of Vegas you're using? Does their DVD Authoring package even talk about supporting HD content? I suspect it will support BD before HD-DVD, but who knows...

Thank you all for the contributions, I do not have a player yet but will buy one around $ 350.

I have used the VLC player, it is free and has so far played everything I have tried, including the HC1 files.
D-VHStool is an other free software to download from the HC1 to computer.

Gene

Even though the player can accept 1080i 50Hz (Pal), it outputs 1080i 60Hz always, which causes stuttering and video slow down like you would not believe. I torched at least 6 discs trying to author the disc differently before I brought the player down to my projector and hit display on the projector to see 1080i 60. Anyone know how to get it to display the native rate of the disc?

Mike,
For some reason Vegas defaults to good every time you open it.
Which is fine for video, best need only be selected for stills!
Thanks for all your work here!

Rich

Can someone help me out? I am having problems converting ts files properly to mpeg2.

I tried HDTVtoMPEG - MF5 churned for a while, then spit it out as incompatible - I know others have had this problem.

I tried VideoReDo - just loaded the ts file and saved as mpeg program stream. This was accepted by MF5, but I have subsequently found out that there is some strange effect - I have to call it a severe macroblocking where the the initial scene of the video file is seen. This happens every few minutes and lasts for a few seconds throughout the video.

I tried MPEG-VCR. First using the conversion tool - the program freezes. I then tried just opening the file, then saving the video as a program stream with no editing. This results in a video that stutters and audio out of sync.

What am I doing wrong? I figure I must be using these tools wrong somehow. Can someone give me a step by step using VideoRedo or MPEG-VCR?

Hello all...i've been trying to burn an HD-DVD all day...I finally was able to take the 7 minute clip from X-men 3 (ts file @ 720P) & convert it to 1920 x 1080 mpg through Womble Mpeg Wizard & burn through Nero 7...i've been trying tomake a HD-DVD out of the 2 & 1/2 minute trailer of Superman Returns (i've tried using the 1080P & 720P versions from Apple Trailers) I get to the menu & it fades away to the green "Preview" splash screen & then it just goes black w/no pic or sound...i'm doing everything it says to do in the instructions posted w/these programs & I can't figure it out...is it possible that the file is too small for it to be picked up? I'm ready to throw my computer through a window :eek:

I used h2m version 1.11.83 and that worked for me.....it didn't work with any other version...on mpeg-vcr, open or drag file to blank window, then open to full screen, you will see a little button that looks like a barrel, click that....and a seperate screen will appear asking you to name file and give you option to convert to mpeg program stream...do that and it should work...

that doesn't work for me, unfortunately...Ulead MF5 worked for X-men, but not Superman?? I did everything the same, but one works & the other doesn't...if anyone out there is a little bored, PLEASE try to convert the Superman Returns trailer & burn it...it's very quick...if no one else can get it right, maybe it's the file itself...if everyone else can do that & I can't, it'll be back to the lab for me...I tried making the HV_DVD folder then using through Nero Buring Rom & I also made an iso of Returns through MF5, burned it w/DVD Decryptor (using Ritek DVD-R's for all burns, by the way) & it didn't work either...i'm hoping to find out that it's too small a file to be picked up by the laser of the machine, that would make me feel better but I don't think that's it... :mad:

Can you tell me which version of Vegas you're using? Does their DVD Authoring package even talk about supporting HD content? I suspect it will support BD before HD-DVD, but who knows...

I'm using Platinum Vegas Movie Studio & DVD (6.0a). It has HD capability as Sony sells some HDV cameras. Definitely supports at least 1920x1080. It doesn't seem to be aware (yet) of HD-DVD formats so I don't think you can author the disc within Vegas. Instead, you can render to an MPEG2 file. It gets a .m2t extension (MPEG2 transport). If you change the name to .mpg, MF5 knows what to do with it and can create the HVDVD_TS folder and files you need for HD-DVD discs. Wouldn't be surprised if a downloadable update will eventually be issued to allow burning directly in Vegas. Hopefully they won't wait until real HD-DVD burners are available.

1280x1088i vob/mpeg2 extracted and muxed from HDtivo will need to be reencoded to 1080i????? If so thats gonna suck

1280x1088i vob/mpeg2 extracted and muxed from HDtivo will need to be reencoded to 1080i????? If so thats gonna suck

Don't know about HDtivo, but I did a test with a 1280x1080i Voom channel from Dish and it did not require reencoding (from a Nextcom R5000 recording). If and when Dish moves to MPEG4 on those channels, of course, it will.

Vegas series of software is own by Sony.. so I guess they won't have any support for HD-DVD.... but for blu-ray, it surely does

Everytime I tried to put multiply HD video clips from my Sony HC3 onto one disk using Ulead MF 5, I got problems playing the whole content on HD-A1. The Toshiba player never plays from the beginning of the disk, instead it always starts somewhere in the middle of the disk. I know this question has been asked several times in this thread in the past, but I don't recall it had ever gotten a straight answer from anybody yet.
So forgive my asking here again, has anybody been successful in authoring several video clips onto one disk using the methods described here and getting it to play properly without any glitches on Toshiba HD-A1??

So Michael, your process is : VideoRedo > Avisynth > Procoder 2.0 > Ulead VS10 > Ulead MF5 > Nero. That is a lot of steps for creating a flawless HDDVD. But it looks like Ulead MF5 > Nero as a process just isn't going to cut it.

Has anyone tried to make a HD-DVD from a Quicktime Pro HD file (.mov)? I haven't been able to get my XA-1 to display it...it reads it as a HD-DVD & then starts to play but I don't have any audio or video...

How did you make it? Did you use Ulead tools or just copy the file over?

You guys that are getting MF5 authored disks to play on the A1 - are you burning MF5 HD DVD folder images that have a HDVTS folder with .vob & .ifo and .evo files? I burned a DVD like that and my XA1 said "no play".

I tried just burning an mpeg video file to a DVD (which sounds like brogan was asking with a .mov file), and my XA1 first displayed "CD" in the LED and then locked up. I didn't think it would work, but gave it a try.


I'm wondering if you need to burn the MF5 HD DVD folders into a standard DVD disk structure to get it to work.

Its a 720p broadcast recording in mpeg2 that I'm trying to burn to a DVBD format the XA1 will read & play.

You guys that are getting MF5 authored disks to play on the A1 - are you burning MF5 HD DVD folder images that have a HDVTS folder with .vob & .ifo and .evo files? I burned a DVD like that and my XA1 said "no play".

I tried just burning an mpeg video file to a DVD (which sounds like brogan was asking with a .mov file), and my XA1 first displayed "CD" in the LED and then locked up. I didn't think it would work, but gave it a try.


I'm wondering if you need to burn the MF5 HD DVD folders into a standard DVD disk structure to get it to work.

Its a 720p broadcast recording in mpeg2 that I'm trying to burn to a DVBD format the XA1 will read & play.


Just follow the tutorial from earlier in the thread...create the HV_DVD folder in MF5 & drop right on the DVD when in nero...you should have a HD, video & audio folders...the burn button will grayed out until you put a text file in the vide folder(name the text file video_ts.vob & drop in the video file) once you do that, you can burn...you will get warnings, just ignore them...I haven't any luck w/HD .mov files, but I was able to make a HD-DVD out the X-Men3 7 minute clip (it was a .ts file) & a WMV-HD clip of T2...my XA-1 reads the.mov as a HD-DVD everytime, plays the green preview splash screen & then I get no video & no audio for the duration of the clip I burned...

Yes, I copied the tutorial to text file for handy reference . . . and, re-checking it, I see I missed a step:
"STEP 10-
Go to your desktop and create a new text file. To do this right click on the desktop and select NEW. Then select TEXT DOCUMENT. Now right click this file and select "rename". Rename the file "VIDEO_TS.VOB" and drag it into to Nero screen. You need to drop it into the folder "VIDEO_TS" (it has the red folder icon)"

- I must have selected a new DVD data disk in Nero when I burned - I wondered why it didn't bug me about the missing VIDEO_TS.VOB file. :o

Just tried to re-burn it as a DVD video, and sure enough, Nero insisted on having the .VOB file in the VIDEO_TS folder. That should do the trick.

Thanks! :)

Just follow the tutorial from earlier in the thread...create the HV_DVD folder in MF5 & drop right on the DVD when in nero...you should have a HD, video & audio folders...the burn button will grayed out until you put a text file in the vide folder(name the text file video_ts.vob & drop in the video file) once you do that, you can burn...you will get warnings, just ignore them...I haven't any luck w/HD .mov files, but I was able to make a HD-DVD out the X-Men3 7 minute clip (it was a .ts file) & a WMV-HD clip of T2...my XA-1 reads the.mov as a HD-DVD everytime, plays the green preview splash screen & then I get no video & no audio for the duration of the clip I burned...

I'm getting the same results as Brogan on trying to convert 1080p HD *.mov trailers to HD DVD. MF5 loads the mov file OK AND it can be played AOK in MF5's preview screen (video and audio are perfect). However something is wrong with the conversion to HD DVD format. Once the process is completed and I have burned the HD DVD folder to a DVD+R disk my HD-A1 reads the disk as HD DVD but all I see is the green opening splash screen for the entire 2.5 minutes of the trailer. If MF5 can't properly decode the mov file then why does one see the green splash screen at all? And by the way it's the most beautiful green splash screen I've ever seen! :)

When you have a 720p .ts file and MF5 converts it to say 1440x1080, how much bigger does the file become. How do you account for the larger file or is there a rule of thumb when you use null packet stripper to combine the .ts files (what MB do you split at?)to make sure the resultant MF5 .iso burns to a DVD-R?

The filesize is simply a function of bitrate * time so the bigger the frame 1440x1080 the more bits used (at least it should use more). You can check what the bitrate is via the customize mpeg > compression and then based on what your 720p bitrate is and deduce the difference.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. So if my file is: 2,099,201 KB 720p with a bitrate of 12000. My bitate for 1440x1080 is 18000 variable, any ideas what the resulting iso from MF5 would be? 50% bigger?

Which movie trailers? I would like to give it a whirl.


The one I was playing with was "Xmen The Last Stand" from the trailers section at apple.com

The link to the file is as follows:

http://movies.apple.com/movies/fox/xmenthelastsand/xmenthelaststand_h1080p.mov

A trick that I learned last night for downloading these files is to Google the entire URL above...Google will report no result for the search but it will say something like "Did you mean this link?" and it will have the above link highlighted in blue-you can then right click on the link and download the file to your drive. You can view these trailers using the free version of Quicktime 7.1 but if you want to save the trailers to disk you have to upgade to the Pro version of QT for $29. The above method is a workaround to that. In order to get the URL for the movie click on the desired trailer on the Apple site and pause it in the free version QT while playing-then select Window and "Show Movie Info" and it will display the trailer URL for you.

Note: I just noticed when doing this that the Xmen trailer is h.264 encoded. That's the problem we're facing here I think-no one had gotten h.264 to work with MF5 yet have they?

hi im new to these forums does the( blu-ray scam nyc) thread on the hd-dvd player forum
have any thing in common with what we are trying to do here by any chance ( sony using a dvd+r in their blu-ray drive)

hi im new to these forums does the( blu-ray scam nyc) thread on the hd-dvd player forum
have any thing in common with what we are trying to do here by any chance ( sony using a dvd+r in their blu-ray drive)

Sure. Blu-ray essentially is the media (the disc), what will go on the first blu-ray discs is plain old mpeg-2 like what's on 9 yr old dvd's. Creating your own HD-DVDs is just writing mpeg-2 in a format that the HD-DVD player will recognize as HD-DVD, and that's what Sony probably did with their demo gone south.

Which movie trailers? I would like to give it a whirl.



I was trying the hardest on the Superman Returns trailer...I also tried an X-men 3 & V for Vendetta trailers...I also tried to combine all & make my own little demo HD-DVD...didn't work, unfortunately...maybe you'll have better luck that I do...

~Vince

It can be done, I just did the one of them but it requires more than just using MF5 or VS10 and to explain all that one needs to do would take quite a bit of writing.


Michael, thanks for your efforts and please enlighten us when you have time! :)

Given all those high quality HD trailers on the Apple site we have the opportunity to make our own demo disks that would make the Toshiba demo look like crap!

My experience with the Apple trailers is that they'll load up in MF5, but after the long, long process of reencoding, one is left with a disc that plays only the first frame of the video. Blah.

It can be done, I just did the one of them but it requires more than just using MF5 or VS10 and to explain all that one needs to do would take quite a bit of writing.

As happy as I am that someone has this working, I would appreciate a 1000 times more someone advising HOW TO DO IT EXACTLY :(

~Vince

I've taken a series of screen shots of my May 14 test disc near the middle left of the screen at frame 341 on pause at each step of the conversion process. It's interesting to watch the loss of red,blue resolution at the MPEG conversion step due to the color compression, the lack of change in the MF5 MPEG and ECO files and then the difference between HDMI and component (which both show further red,blue resolution reduction). For the file views, I had my PC drive the Sharp 45" panel directly and for HDMI and Component, the HD-A1 drove the panel.

Original AVI file source(MediaPlayerClassic) (http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/screenshots/1.jpg)
MPEG file created by Sony Vegas (MediaPlayerClassic) (http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/screenshots/2.jpg)
MPEG file left by MF5 "correction" process(MediaPlayerClassic) (http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/screenshots/3.jpg)
EVO file created by MF5(MediaPlayerClassic) (http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/screenshots/4.jpg)
HD-A1 HDMI output (http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/screenshots/5.jpg)
HD-A1 component output (http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/screenshots/6.jpg)

http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tpv14/screenshots/cycletpss.gif
(or just watch this cycle through the steps each 2.5 seconds)

What mode was the Sharp in when connected to the PC? Digital HD or Digital PC ? or was it hooked up via VGA?

I did a re-encode to mpeg2 and then fed this directly into MF5 and you would need a couple of tools (not free) to do it. BUT, I am working on a possibly easy way to directly feed these but you would have to download a program to do it (it is free). I have it creating a folder now of a couple clips and I'll check it in the AM to see if it works or not.


Michael,
what program did you use to re-encode the .mov to mpeg2? What other programs do you have to use to make it work? Hopefully, the easy way you mention will work out...

~Vince

What mode was the Sharp in when connected to the PC? Digital HD or Digital PC ? or was it hooked up via VGA?

Neither one. The DVI cable of the external controller of the Sharp LC-45GX6U was disconnected and driven by the DVI output of the PC as a 1920x1080 display. As many other Sharp owners do, I use a Geffen DVI switch to toggle between PC and controller driving the display.

I used procoder and it will convert it straight to HD mpg2 as well as convert the sound.


Michael,
everytime I try to add the .mov file in Procoder 2.0, I get a error box that says "QT Reader : General Error"
I don't use Procoder that much so i'm not familiar w/this message (other than "QT" standing for quicktime)...does anyone know a way around this?

~~Vince

Michael,
everytime I try to add the .mov file in Procoder 2.0, I get a error box that says "QT Reader : General Error"
I don't use Procoder that much so i'm not familiar w/this message (other than "QT" standing for quicktime)...does anyone know a way around this?

Is it really 2.0.0? The 2.0.4 release a few months ago had a lot of very valuable bug fixes.

Is it really 2.0.0? The 2.0.4 release a few months ago had a lot of very valuable bug fixes.


I don't use the program that much & I wasn't aware of a new release...you wouldn't happen to be able to send me that update would you? I'm unable to get it from the website...

~Vince

Anyone burned the open source movie here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7675419&&#post7675419 yet? I downloaded the 1.4G of files and burned a disc. It looks great but is silent but not sure why.

Here's a puzzler. I have a .ts file edited with HDTVtoMPEG2 (Battlestar Galactica Episode 2-13 Epiphanies) that I tried to convert to program stream with MPEG-VCR. The file reports and plays back in the program as just over 8 minutes long. The original .ts edited file is over 3.5 GBs, but much of it is invisible to MPEG-VCR. When I play back the file in MyHD, it's all there. I ran it through MPEG2Repair, but no luck. So far, I've been able to repair every episode of the show that I've edited with H2M except for this one. I do this by editing around the original H2M edit points with MPEG-VCR. This gets rid of the time code inconsistencies and allows me to convert the .ts files to program stream. A strange anomaly.

I'm curious as to what kind of success those who are using this technique are having. So far, I've had a lot more success than failure, but some things just refuse to play nice with MF5.

From Dish Network and OTA, I've had success with: Battlestar Galactica, Rick Steves' Europe, Jeff Corwin Experience, Miracle Planet (Discovery HD documentary series), Smart Travels, Smallville (HDNet and OTA), 100 Greatest Discoveries, and a few movies (including Men in Black).

Failures include: Road Trip (Discovery HD), HD Getaways (Discovery HD), numerous movies (including Robots, Stakeout). Most movies, of course, won't fit on a double layer disc, so it's useless at this point to do more than test.

I have a feeling the .ts is using nonstandard PIDs. Use a tool like PRM.exe or TStoATSC to remap the PIDs to ATSC compliant ones.

Joseph,

I had Robots turn out perfectly. It was actually the first HD-DVD I made. I haven't tried any Galactica episodes yet. I can try Episode 2-13 tonight for you to see what happens.

Marc.

I had a problem with a Galactica episode once because it was 1088i - because yes, in Ulead, that extra "8" makes all the difference. It tries to convert it down to 1080i, which is pretty much retarded.

Most of my material has come from Dish. Even the failures report in H2M as 1920x1080i. I'll give the programs mentioned above a try to fix Battlestar. Interesting. Thanks.

Just a couple of positive notes about Movie Factory 5. Number one is that since I bought the program, the problem I was having with not being able to start a program from the beginning if I used menus is gone. It would start about 3 minutes in. That's history.

Another positive thing is that when you buy the program you get four more menu templates and a host of backgrounds, music and buttons. It's well worth the price.

The one step back is that the latest disc I burned from my own HDV footage has what looks like a field dominance issue. I get motion jitter on zooms and pans. I don't see any place to change that. Am I missing something after the reinstall that I set in the trial version? The Dish and OTA material is fine.

Just a couple of positive notes about Movie Factory 5. Number one is that since I bought the program, the problem I was having with not being able to start a program from the beginning if I used menus is gone. It would start about 3 minutes in. That's history.

Another positive thing is that when you buy the program you get four more menu templates and a host of backgrounds, music and buttons. It's well worth the price.

The one step back is that the latest disc I burned from my own HDV footage has what looks like a field dominance issue. I get motion jitter on zooms and pans. I don't see any place to change that. Am I missing something after the reinstall that I set in the trial version? The Dish and OTA material is fine.

Joe, have you created a disk with menu on it and got it to play properly on HD-A1? Thanks.

Joe, have you created a disk with menu on it and got it to play properly on HD-A1? Thanks.

Yes and no. Before, when I tried to create a menu with the trial version, I could only get the video to start playing about 3 minutes in, not from the beginning. After I bought the full version, menus work fine, but I'm having a jitter problem with the video. This is with my own material shot on HDV. I haven't tried it with something recorded from Dish yet. The exact same HDV footage played without issue in the trial version, but it would start late every time. Now, all the chapters work, but the video jitters.

I'm going to try again with other footage and see what I can get.

well, I have the same experience with the menu.
the full version and the trial seem to behave the same. I bet if you take out the menu to burn the HDV footage the jitters will go away.
Anyway MF5 appears to be teetering on the edge, I never know what crazy things it will do to the disk.

well, I have the same experience with the menu.
the full version and the trial seem to behave the same. I bet if you take out the menu to burn the HDV footage the jitters will go away.
Anyway MF5 appears to be teetering on the edge, I never know what crazy things it will do to the disk.

It's very unpredictable. I just burned an episode of Battlestar Galactica with full menu/sub-menus and it worked just fine. Plays from the beginning and no jitter. I can't pick up on a pattern here. I think it must be MF5 issues.

Has anyone seen an update for MF5 yet? The ISO option is stilled grayed out in my version. The other odd things are vexing, too. Hopefully, an update may fix some of this. Is Ulead good about providing updates and bug fixes? I've never used their products more than just the look at a trial version.

The one step back is that the latest disc I burned from my own HDV footage has what looks like a field dominance issue. I get motion jitter on zooms and pans. I don't see any place to change that. Am I missing something after the reinstall that I set in the trial version? The Dish and OTA material is fine.

Could you describe the jitter you see? I've burned several HD-DVDs of my own HD video shot with the Sony HC1. I'm using Ulead Video Studio 10 (which appears to be a superset of MF5). I see what looks like occasional skipped frames when I play the DVDs on the Toshiba. It seems to freeze for a split second several times a minute. If there isn't a lot of motion on screen, I might not see the artifact for a minute or more. The artifact I am seeing isn't the sort of constant thing I would expect if I were having a field dominance issue. I've tried varying the bit rate. I've tried using both DVD+R and DVD-R. I've tried using video I have edited. I've tried using unedited video directly from the camera. In all cases, I still see the occasional skipped frames.

Has anyone else seen this sort of artifact? Has anyone found a fix?

I'd love to be able to put the video I have shot on HD-DVD rather than DVHS, but the skipped frames get pretty distracting. I'm really hoping to find a fix or work-around.

Thanks!

Joe

Could you describe the jitter you see? I've burned several HD-DVDs of my own HD video shot with the Sony HC1. I'm using Ulead Video Studio 10 (which appears to be a superset of MF5). I see what looks like occasional skipped frames when I play the DVDs on the Toshiba. It seems to freeze for a split second several times a minute. If there isn't a lot of motion on screen, I might not see the artifact for a minute or more. The artifact I am seeing isn't the sort of constant thing I would expect if I were having a field dominance issue. I've tried varying the bit rate. I've tried using both DVD+R and DVD-R. I've tried using video I have edited. I've tried using unedited video directly from the camera. In all cases, I still see the occasional skipped frames.

Has anyone else seen this sort of artifact? Has anyone found a fix?

I'd love to be able to put the video I have shot on HD-DVD rather than DVHS, but the skipped frames get pretty distracting. I'm really hoping to find a fix or work-around.

Thanks!

Joe

Have you tried producing your video using the "double pass" feature.? Maybe it is a result of an "inferior" single pass production? I am assuming that Ulead VS 10 also has this option, since it appears on MF5.
I also experience slight jitters during playback of motion scenes...maybe this will do the trick? When I try it, if it works, Ill let you know....

Could you describe the jitter you see? I've burned several HD-DVDs of my own HD video shot with the Sony HC1. I'm using Ulead Video Studio 10 (which appears to be a superset of MF5). I see what looks like occasional skipped frames when I play the DVDs on the Toshiba. It seems to freeze for a split second several times a minute. If there isn't a lot of motion on screen, I might not see the artifact for a minute or more. The artifact I am seeing isn't the sort of constant thing I would expect if I were having a field dominance issue. I've tried varying the bit rate. I've tried using both DVD+R and DVD-R. I've tried using video I have edited. I've tried using unedited video directly from the camera. In all cases, I still see the occasional skipped frames.

Has anyone else seen this sort of artifact? Has anyone found a fix?

I'd love to be able to put the video I have shot on HD-DVD rather than DVHS, but the skipped frames get pretty distracting. I'm really hoping to find a fix or work-around.



I'm guessing, but the jitter that I'm experiencing appears to be a field dominance issue. It's not an occasional skipped frame. It's a persistent doubling of the image in pans and with laterally moving subjects. It's hard to tell if MF5 is doing conversion with this subject matter with menus, because the menus always slow the process to a crawl compared to not using menus. It has to create the motion menu miniature clips for each chapter and that takes some time. When I don't use menus, the video processes into EVO files so quickly, it's not possible that MF5 is doing video conversion. The exact same video clip plays perfectly if I don't use menus. The clip was edited using Adobe Premiere 1.5 with Aspect HD plug-in. I don't use Ulead for any editing (of HDV). I have been using the trial of MPEG-VCR for editing, and it gives me consistently good results.

I'm going to try to capture Robots again today on HBO. It's a really fun film, so I'm hoping I can get it to process. So far, after two attempts, MF5 just sit-spins when I try to load in the file.


Joe

Here's an anomaly I thought I'd report while it's still fresh in my mind. While trying to create an HD DVD of the Battlestar Galactica Miniseries, I edited out a single frame from the start of the first part of the show (in MF5, not MPEG-VCR). When I tried to create the disc, it insisted on doing a conversion. I tried the second part of the miniseries, which I had also converted to MPEG. It was fine. So, I went back and did exactly the same thing, except this time I didn't edit out the first frame in MF5. It created the folder without converting the video. There are definitely some odd bugs in MF5.

Is there a way to put the 5.1 sound on these discs or can it only be in LPCM stereo?

Is there a way to put the 5.1 sound on these discs or can it only be in LPCM stereo?

If the source is 5.1, the resulting HD-DVD has a 5.1 track, which BTW, shows up as DD+ on the player for some reason.

Marc.

yes, that seems to be the case.
but all my HDV clips are LPCM 2ch and it won't transmit thru the digital output on HD-A1. Does anybody know if there is a way to convert the LPCM to a 5.1 in MF5?

All of the HD DVDs I've created with VideoStudio 10 have not been able to play audio over toslink. The receiver has no idea what it's dealing with. They play flawlessly through the ext 5.1 analog output from the A1. Retail HD DVDs play over toslink. ANy ideas what I may be doing. Most projects are 1080i, so VS10 is not reauthoring, I use mpeg-vcr to convert the .ts file and leave audio settings alone there as well.

Of the successful guys here, what burner are you using?

My Lite-on and LG burners dont allow selection of book type. For the $40 I'll go grab a Pioneer if they are working.

Thanks,

Wes

I'm using an external Lite-On and it works great.

Of the successful guys here, what burner are you using?

My Lite-on and LG burners dont allow selection of book type. For the $40 I'll go grab a Pioneer if they are working.

Thanks,

Wes
You have to download the bitsetting program from LiteOn. Then once you set it for each disc type it stays that way until you update the firmware then you have to do it again. My 4 LiteOn drives and 2 BENQ drives work fine.

I'm using the Nec 3550, last time I looked they were $30 in OEM versions. Works well with DVD +R & DVD -R, but I've not tried burning a DL disk yet.

All of the HD DVDs I've created with VideoStudio 10 have not been able to play audio over toslink. The receiver has no idea what it's dealing with. They play flawlessly through the ext 5.1 analog output from the A1. Retail HD DVDs play over toslink. ANy ideas what I may be doing. Most projects are 1080i, so VS10 is not reauthoring, I use mpeg-vcr to convert the .ts file and leave audio settings alone there as well.

I don't think you're doing anything wrong. If you're sending the audio as a bitstream I believe the A1 is trying to convert it to DTS, and there is a problem in the conversion process unless the original audio is DD+. My receiver doesn't handle DTS very well, so I have to send the audio from even commercial disks to my receivre via the 5.1 analog inputs. However, the good thing is that everyone tells me that this results in better audio.

I'm using a Plextor 716 and a Lite-On burner with no problems. By the way, DVD decrypter and Nero both have bit setting properties in the options.

I've tried authoring the Elephant Dream program (great download, by the way, thanks to the guy posting recoding it in the original thread) and MF5 wants to convert the video. For kicks, I gave it a few of the programs I've recorded from HDTV and it worked fine. The difference? ED is at 24fps and the rest are at 29.97fps. I have the trial version and it doesn't allow me to change the frame rate, although I've checked the box where it says not to convert legitimate MPEG files.

FWIW, I had joined the clips together with VideoRedo+, but the other programs I have were edited with that also.

Of the successful guys here, what burner are you using?

My Lite-on and LG burners dont allow selection of book type. For the $40 I'll go grab a Pioneer if they are working.

Thanks,

Wes

All the burners I've tried work OK with single layer discs. For double layer, Plextor 750a works fine; external Mad Dog works fine (if I set the boot type to DVD-ROM in Nero). No go for any Pioneer burners (108,109,110) or Toshiba burner (but it doesn't burn any double layer disc well).

Nero will let you set book type if the burner allows it. If not, the option won't appear. I've read that Pioneer burners set book type of double layer discs to DVD-ROM in firmware, but no double layer disc I've burned works in my A1. No option to set book type appears in Nero, nor does it appear for the Plextor burner, but it does set the book type to DVD-ROM. Discs I've burned with the Pioneer burners report a book type of DVD-ROM, but they still aren't recognized by the Toshiba.

All the burners I've tried work OK with single layer discs. For double layer, Plextor 750a works fine; external Mad Dog works fine (if I set the boot type to DVD-ROM in Nero). No go for any Pioneer burners (108,109,110) or Toshiba burner (but it doesn't burn any double layer disc well).

Nero will let you set book type if the burner allows it. If not, the option won't appear. I've read that Pioneer burners set book type of double layer discs to DVD-ROM in firmware, but no double layer disc I've burned works in my A1. No option to set book type appears in Nero, nor does it appear for the Plextor burner, but it does set the book type to DVD-ROM. Discs I've burned with the Pioneer burners report a book type of DVD-ROM, but they still aren't recognized by the Toshiba.

You dont want the book type set to DVD-Rom, you want it set to DVD+R DL

You dont want the book type set to DVD-Rom, you want it set to DVD+R DL

That doesn't work on my burns.

That doesn't work on my burns.

Try using Nero to burn the HD DVD to an Image file. Then use DVD-Decrypter/ImgBurn
to burn the image.

Try using Nero to burn the HD DVD to an Image file. Then use DVD-Decrypter/ImgBurn
to burn the image.

I might try that, but it would add an extra step to a process that already involves quite a few. So far, I've had no bad burns with the Plextor or Mad Dog burners to double layer. How is doing it that way different than going through Nero alone?

If it works, though, it would make the Pioneer burners available for the job, too. That would allow me to create HD DVDs on more than one or two systems.

I've been trying everything I can think of and I always get the skipping I have described. Around 2 or 3 times a minute, there is about a 1/10 second freeze frame then the video skips to where it would have been without the freeze frame.

Has anyone else noticed that, or am I the only one having the problem? Is everyone else producing perfect HD-DVDs with no freezing or skipping?

I have tried video I shot on the Sony HC1. I've used video from HBO. I've used DVD+R and DVD-R. I enabled two pass encoding. I used two different burning programs (Nero and 1 Click DVD Copy). The results are always the same. I have burned multiple DVDs from the same DVD folder on my hard disk. All disks burned from the same folder skip in the same places. That seems to indicate it is in the HDVD_TS folder itself. I haven't seen any skipping on the HD-DVD movies I have bought.

I'd appreciate any suggestions, ideas, or comments. I really want to make this work.

Thanks!

Joe

You dont want the book type set to DVD-Rom, you want it set to DVD+R DL
I have all my burners set to DVD Rom and they play fine in the HD DVD drive when I used HD DVD in Ulead MF5 and using Nero to burn.

I've been trying everything I can think of and I always get the skipping I have described. Around 2 or 3 times a minute, there is about a 1/10 second freeze frame then the video skips to where it would have been without the freeze frame.

Has anyone else noticed that, or am I the only one having the problem? Is everyone else producing perfect HD-DVDs with no freezing or skipping?

I have tried video I shot on the Sony HC1. I've used video from HBO. I've used DVD+R and DVD-R. I enabled two pass encoding. I used two different burning programs (Nero and 1 Click DVD Copy). The results are always the same. I have burned multiple DVDs from the same DVD folder on my hard disk. All disks burned from the same folder skip in the same places. That seems to indicate it is in the HDVD_TS folder itself. I haven't seen any skipping on the HD-DVD movies I have bought.

I'd appreciate any suggestions, ideas, or comments. I really want to make this work.

Thanks!

Joe

Joe,

I believe I've just had a burn do what you are describing. It was an episode of Great Candadian Rivers from Discovery HD Theater. What made it different from all my successful burns (which do include material from my HC1) is that MF5 insisted on doing a video conversion. All my successful burns have processed without re-encoding. They are simply a matter of reformatting the HD files as EVOs, rather than re-encoding the video. Whenever MF5 has had to do a conversion, I've noticed stuttering playback, much as you describe. It has happened unpredictably, though. I can't say what might be causing it. Wish I could be of more help, but I think what is needed is some insight into why MF5 thinks it needs to re-encode. Has anyone contacted Ulead on this? I haven't yet, but maybe there are some answers on their message boards.

Are the burnt discs meant to be detected as DVD or HD DVD?

Anyone managed to burn this Britney file?
http://206.159.116.24/public.htm

Are the burnt discs meant to be detected as DVD or HD DVD?

Anyone managed to burn this Britney file?
http://206.159.116.24/public.htm

The discs have to be recognized as HD DVD (that is, they must have all the necessary files for HD DVD compliance - EVO, IFO, BUP, etc.) for the player to play the HD content. The only reason we go through the process of putting a dummy DVD-like file in the Video_ts folder is to fool Nero into allowing us to burn the disc. It serves no other purpose. That's also why Nero gives us the warning that the DVD we are about to burn failed the DVD compliance test.

Does anyone know if we could skip this process if we chose UDF in Nero?

I think that might be related to what I'm trying with DVD-RAM. I'm copying the HD folder to a blank UDF 2.0 formatted disc. The result is the Tosh detects HD-DVD and starts to play but sits there at 0:00.

My Lite-on and LG burners dont allow selection of book type. For the $40 I'll go grab a Pioneer if they are working.


Don't know which LG you have but go on to their website and check for firmware update that include the bit setting function. I updated my LG 4120 internal with the latest firmware last year (can't remember when at the moment) and I can set the book type on +R/RW discs.

BTW, I have checked my burnt Fuji DVD+R DL SD-DVD and it is indeed DVD-ROM book type. It works w/ extremely slow load time.

I had a successful session with Batman Begins today, but it was painfully slow. I decided to just wait and see what happened if I let MF5 sit there and churn at the point in the past where I assumed it had frozen up. It went through the process, but each step was extremely slow. I can't say how long because I just let it run and went to do other things. Finally, it did complete and gave me a good burn to an HVDVD folder. Note that it did NOT re-encode. It's just that each step took an inordinately long time to complete, but not as long as a video re-encode would have taken. The whole thing finished in a lot less than 4 hours from start to finish. How much I don't know. This means, I suppose, I can get a lot more good burns with patience. Of course, the Batman Begins was from HBO and was too large for me to burn to double layer, but it does work. I can store it on three single layer discs until the HD DVD recordables become affordable - I'll give it a couple of years.

Just buy the HD DVD later this year.

Just buy the HD DVD later this year.

There's a thought.

I had a successful session with Batman Begins today, but it was painfully slow. I decided to just wait and see what happened if I let MF5 sit there and churn at the point in the past where I assumed it had frozen up. It went through the process, but each step was extremely slow. I can't say how long because I just let it run and went to do other things. Finally, it did complete and gave me a good burn to an HVDVD folder. Note that it did NOT re-encode. It's just that each step took an inordinately long time to complete, but not as long as a video re-encode would have taken. The whole thing finished in a lot less than 4 hours from start to finish. How much I don't know. This means, I suppose, I can get a lot more good burns with patience. Of course, the Batman Begins was from HBO and was too large for me to burn to double layer, but it does work. I can store it on three single layer discs until the HD DVD recordables become affordable - I'll give it a couple of years.

Creating a Batman Begins HD-DVD version from HBO


Combining the 106 TS files using HDTV2Mpeg2 = 15 minutes
Coverting the 10.5GB TS file t0 MPEG2 using Womble = 30 minutes
(also splitting the 10.5GB TS file into 6.5GB and 4GB TS files)

Creating the 2 HDVD ISOs (1 for the dual layer, 1 for the single = 60 minutes
using Ulead Movie Factory)

Buring the dual layer HD-DVD (DVD +R DL) using Nero (at 2.4x) =40 minutes

Burning the single layer HD-DVD (DVD +R) usning Nero (x4) =15 minutes

So the entire process took about 2 hours and 40 minutes, and the resulting home-made HD-DVD is spanned across a dual layer and a single layer. Since you're fitting a 10.5 gig movie onto about 12.4 gigs of space, there's enough room to choose a good split point at which to break the movie into two pieces. I chose the spot where Dr crane and Katie Holmes go into the elevator in Arcam Asylum and the door closes. Great spot to switch to disk two since it's a clean scene break. That leaves about an 1:06 on the first disk(dual layer) and about 45minutes on the second sngle layer.

Most feature length films I've created will span across 1 dual layer and 1 single layer DVDR quite nicely. Brings back the old memories of changing sides back in the days of Laserdisc!

Just though a few people would appreciate some insight into how I'm doing things.

Of course, when the real thing comes out, I'll gladly buy it. For now this method lets us watch HD-DVDs of Back to the Future, Ice Age, Spiderman and other HD titles that may never see the light of day on HD-DVD.

Marc.

Did you strip null packets first?

Creating a Batman Begins HD-DVD version from HBO


Combining the 106 TS files using HDTV2Mpeg2 = 15 minutes
Coverting the 10.5GB TS file t0 MPEG2 using Womble = 30 minutes
(also splitting the 10.5GB TS file into 6.5GB and 4GB TS files)

Creating the 2 HDVD ISOs (1 for the dual layer, 1 for the single = 60 minutes
using Ulead Movie Factory)

Buring the dual layer HD-DVD (DVD +R DL) using Nero (at 2.4x) =40 minutes

Burning the single layer HD-DVD (DVD +R) usning Nero (x4) =15 minutes

So the entire process took about 2 hours and 40 minutes, and the resulting home-made HD-DVD is spanned across a dual layer and a single layer. Since you're fitting a 10.5 gig movie onto about 12.4 gigs of space, there's enough room to choose a good split point at which to break the movie into two pieces. I chose the spot where Dr crane and Katie Holmes go into the elevator in Arcam Asylum and the door closes. Great spot to switch to disk two since it's a clean scene break. That leaves about an 1:06 on the first disk(dual layer) and about 45minutes on the second sngle layer.

Most feature length films I've created will span across 1 dual layer and 1 single layer DVDR quite nicely. Brings back the old memories of changing sides back in the days of Laserdisc!

Just though a few people would appreciate some insight into how I'm doing things.

Of course, when the real thing comes out, I'll gladly buy it. For now this method lets us watch HD-DVDs of Back to the Future, Ice Age, Spiderman and other HD titles that may never see the light of day on HD-DVD.

Marc.

Hey, Marc, GREAT WORK!!
You have to fill us in on more details. But does your version allow you to burn the ISO file to the HDDVD folder in MF5? because most of us here don't have that option on our MF5 versions. And the resulting disk usually don't play from the beginning to end on HD-A1.

Hey, Marc, GREAT WORK!!
You have to fill us in on more details. But does your version allow you to burn the ISO file to the HDDVD folder in MF5? because most of us here don't have that option on our MF5 versions. And the resulting disk usually don't play from the beginning to end on HD-A1.

Yes, my version has the 'create iso' option. So I just create the ISO and burn it with Nero. Every disc has worked perfectly so far.

The null packets were removed in the original recording process, BTW.

Marc.

Marc, did you buy the MF5 recently or a few months ago? because as I understand it they took the option out after the initial release.

The only thing i have in HD are Biniki Destination Fantasy and Light , Camera , Action. 2 Video films show off of naked women.. LOL!

I did

- Using HDTV2MPEG latest version did a .ts to .mpg<
- Loaded the file in Ulead
- Converted using .ISO in ulead
- Loaded the .ISO in DVDDECRYTER Write Mode
- Burned the file , work flasless

BD is 4gig took about 40min for the whole process
LIGHT Cam, Action is 6 gig on a +DL took about 1 hour..

Both work flawless, and are great demo material if you don't have a girlfriend nearby LOL!

Marc, did you buy the MF5 recently or a few months ago? because as I understand it they took the option out after the initial release.


I got it when it first came out awhile back. I think its the first revision.

Marc.

Hey, Marc, GREAT WORK!!
You have to fill us in on more details. But does your version allow you to burn the ISO file to the HDDVD folder in MF5? because most of us here don't have that option on our MF5 versions. And the resulting disk usually don't play from the beginning to end on HD-A1.

This hasn't been the case with my burns. They have played all the way through. Otherwise, this process would be useless to me. I don't have the version with the option to burn ISO, either.

Creating a Batman Begins HD-DVD version from HBO


Combining the 106 TS files using HDTV2Mpeg2 = 15 minutes
Coverting the 10.5GB TS file t0 MPEG2 using Womble = 30 minutes
(also splitting the 10.5GB TS file into 6.5GB and 4GB TS files)

Creating the 2 HDVD ISOs (1 for the dual layer, 1 for the single = 60 minutes
using Ulead Movie Factory)

Buring the dual layer HD-DVD (DVD +R DL) using Nero (at 2.4x) =40 minutes

Burning the single layer HD-DVD (DVD +R) usning Nero (x4) =15 minutes

So the entire process took about 2 hours and 40 minutes, and the resulting home-made HD-DVD is spanned across a dual layer and a single layer. Since you're fitting a 10.5 gig movie onto about 12.4 gigs of space, there's enough room to choose a good split point at which to break the movie into two pieces. I chose the spot where Dr crane and Katie Holmes go into the elevator in Arcam Asylum and the door closes. Great spot to switch to disk two since it's a clean scene break. That leaves about an 1:06 on the first disk(dual layer) and about 45minutes on the second sngle layer.

Most feature length films I've created will span across 1 dual layer and 1 single layer DVDR quite nicely. Brings back the old memories of changing sides back in the days of Laserdisc!

Just though a few people would appreciate some insight into how I'm doing things.

Of course, when the real thing comes out, I'll gladly buy it. For now this method lets us watch HD-DVDs of Back to the Future, Ice Age, Spiderman and other HD titles that may never see the light of day on HD-DVD.

Marc.

For those of you interested in doing 2-disc solutions, another benefit is that some movies that take *forever* to process (without even re-encoding) go through very fast if broken into two parts. Robots worked this way for me. The first and second part of the movie moved through MF5 like lightning, but as soon as I merged the two files, mollasses in January. Am I the only one getting these odd results? A movie like Robots is ideal for double layer, because the whole film fits on one disc. I know in the long run I won't want to keep dual disc movies like this, so my plan is to burn the movies and then save the files to two or more discs, then recombine them to HD DVD when that options becomes affordable.

What baffles me is that some films (like Men in Black) go through the process quickly. Most don't, however.

BTW, someone asked earlier if there are any solutions to read HD DVDs on a computer (like WinDVD). InterVideo (WinDVD) does bundle software for reading HD DVDs on notebook computers with HD DVD drives from Toshiba (shipping now). They plan to offer HD DVD playback with the WinDVD player sometime in late 2006 or early 2007. (Of course, MS plans support for HD DVD in Vista.) If you just want to check your EVO files, the best program I've found for that is Media Player Classic (free MS download).

Thats right Joe, its definietly quicker to split the file. With any recording that will fit all on a dual layered disc, I still prefer to keep it on one disc, but for most of my movies, splitting is required. Still I don't mind 50cents for a good single layered DVD and 2 bucks for a good dual layered. So on average a home-made HD Movie is costing me $2.50. Not too shabby.

Marc.

I tried an experiment today that may be useful to a small number of people...

I had a transport stream of the INHD Tune-Up, so I converted it to a program stream using VideoRedo+ and then loaded it up into MF5. I asked it to save it to a folder for me to burn (I'm using the trial version). It finished quickly, as the file is only ~300MB or so. I then transfered the folder to my Mac and used Toast 7(.02) to burn to a UDF (v1.02) disc. Once it finished, I ejected and then reinserted. Apple's DVD player fired up and played it, albeit without audio. So, I ejected the disc and inserted into my HD-A1 and it played perfectly - video and sound!

The next thing I am trying is to use a larger file. I've split up a movie into 2 chunks, and I'm currently waiting for MF5 to decide if it's going to do anything with it. It's a real lazy program... first it makes you wait forever before you can click on the file when adding media, then afterwards it just accesses the hard disk for another while (total to get to the burn screen is about 30 minutes). My machine has an AMD X2 chip with 2GB memory. Not impressed. In many respects, I'm glad there is a trial version, unless anyone can report that it behaves so much better once you've bought it :confused:
If there was another way to author an ISO image (Windows, Mac or whatever), that would be really neat, I don't care for menus for a single program.

Does anyone know the real capacity of blank DVD-R and DVD+R DL discs? I have a program that I'd like to burn to a dual layer disc that Windows reports as 8.5GB. Realistically, that's not going to fit right? (Just my luck I'm a few bytes over). Does 2 x DVD-R make more than 1 x DVD+R DL ?

What is the best place to buy MF5 from?

What is the best place to buy MF5 from?

**********. :D Seriously, it's the only way to get the Blu-Ray support, and maybe the ISO output, too.

Have you tried the VLC player, video lan?
Plays about everything. Its free
Gene

**********. :D Seriously, it's the only way to get the Blu-Ray support, and maybe the ISO output, too.

What is the Best place to Purchase MF5.

**********. :D Seriously, it's the only way to get the Blu-Ray support, and maybe the ISO output, too.

Or if you bought it right when it was released :rolleyes:

Have you tried the VLC player, video lan?
Plays about everything. Its free
Gene


Have you even bothered reading what this thread is about? Ulead MF5 isn't for playback.


Marc.

Have you even bothered reading what this thread is about? Ulead MF5 isn't for playback.


Marc.

I think he may have been referring to my post about playing back EVO files with Media Player Classic. VLC does a good job with lots of file types. I like Media Player Classic, because its overhead is low and it plays most file types, too. I really haven't tired VLC for EVOs, but it would probably be a good choice, also.

I think he may have been referring to my post about playing back EVO files with Media Player Classic. VLC does a good job with lots of file types. I like Media Player Classic, because its overhead is low and it plays most file types, too. I really haven't tired VLC for EVOs, but it would probably be a good choice, also.


My bad Gene. You didn't quote the posting you were responding to and the previous posting was about Ulead MF 5, which is stricly for recording.


Marc.

I really haven't tired VLC for EVOs, but it would probably be a good choice, also.

Yes - VLC plays EVOs also. Like mplayerc it sometimes has trouble with audio.

Joe,

All my successful burns have processed without re-encoding. They are simply a matter of reformatting the HD files as EVOs, rather than re-encoding the video. Whenever MF5 has had to do a conversion, I've noticed stuttering playback, much as you describe. .

I have had the stuttering video playback on every HD-DVD I have created. I wonder if something I am doing is causing it to re-encode everything I do?

How can you tell if it is re-encoding the video? I went into "share" and selected "HD-DVD." I unchecked the option to create a menu. I checked the "do not re-encode compliant files" option. When I select "burn", the first status message I see is "converting title." Since there is no menu, does "converting title" mean it is re-encoding the video?

I have been searching the Ulead forums, both for MF5 and Video Studio 10 but I haven't found anything to answer my questions. I'm looking either for reference to the stuttering video or something telling how to be sure you don't re-encode.

The only other thought that occurs to me is that HDV video from the Sony HC1 is CBR 25000. The default option on Ulead's menu to burn HD-DVD is VBR 18000. Could it be that my video is getting re-encoded because the higher constant bit rate makes Ulead consider the file non-complaint?

Thanks!

Joe

I have had the stuttering video playback on every HD-DVD I have created. I wonder if something I am doing is causing it to re-encode everything I do?

How can you tell if it is re-encoding the video? I went into "share" and selected "HD-DVD." I unchecked the option to create a menu. I checked the "do not re-encode compliant files" option. When I select "burn", the first status message I see is "converting title." Since there is no menu, does "converting title" mean it is re-encoding the video?

I have been searching the Ulead forums, both for MF5 and Video Studio 10 but I haven't found anything to answer my questions. I'm looking either for reference to the stuttering video or something telling how to be sure you don't re-encode.

The only other thought that occurs to me is that HDV video from the Sony HC1 is CBR 25000. The default option on Ulead's menu to burn HD-DVD is VBR 18000. Could it be that my video is getting re-encoded because the higher constant bit rate makes Ulead consider the file non-complaint?

Thanks!

Joe


Yes, if you see 'converting..' that means that MF5 is re-encoding the video. All the VBR and CBR settings only pertain to re-encoding. I've never touched them since I don't do re-ecoding. If the source file is 1280x1080, or 1920x1080(which most of my recordings have been), there's no re-encoding to be done.

Marc.

Yes, if you see 'converting..' that means that MF5 is re-encoding the video. All the VBR and CBR settings only pertain to re-encoding. I've never touched them since I don't do re-ecoding. If the source file is 1280x1080, or 1920x1080(which most of my recordings have been), there's no re-encoding to be done.

Marc.

All the files I've had problems with report as 1920x1080, but they bring up the dreaded "Converting title" message and it does a re-encode. I can't find a pattern as to what kind of file does or does not need a re-encode. Most movies, unfortunately, fit into that category. Men in Black is an exception. Sometimes, although the video is compliant, MF5 takes forever to go through the process, even if it doesn't re-encode. At first, I thought it was file length, but that doesn't always seem to be the case.

My HC1 footage goes through without needing to re-encode - very fast - but it has been edited and output with Premiere Pro. I think I remember others posting here that their HC1 footage doesn't need to re-encode either.

All the files I've had problems with report as 1920x1080, but they bring up the dreaded "Converting title" message and it does a re-encode. I can't find a pattern as to what kind of file does or does not need a re-encode. Most movies, unfortunately, fit into that category. Men in Black is an exception. Sometimes, although the video is compliant, MF5 takes forever to go through the process, even if it doesn't re-encode. At first, I thought it was file length, but that doesn't always seem to be the case.

My HC1 footage goes through without needing to re-encode - very fast - but it has been edited and output with Premiere Pro. I think I remember others posting here that their HC1 footage doesn't need to re-encode either.


I've had a few files which I *thought* were 1920x1080i and it turned out there were 1920x1088i. They wanted to convert. All 1920x1080i files I've had work great without conversion. Joe, did you want to send me a small sample to try? Just a few seconds of one of the files will do, and I'll see what happens.

Marc.

I've had a few files which I *thought* were 1920x1080i and it turned out there were 1920x1088i. They wanted to convert. All 1920x1080i files I've had work great without conversion. Joe, did you want to send me a small sample to try? Just a few seconds of one of the files will do, and I'll see what happens.

Marc.

Thanks, Marc, I'll do that later today.

I noticed when I select HD DVD for the format MF5 defaults to encoding it at 1440x1080. I have to go in to the settings and change it to 1920x1080 depending on what I'm encoding. Alot of the HDNet files I've encoded are in 1440x1080 already so I left it at the default.

If the source file is 1280x1080, or 1920x1080(which most of my recordings have been), there's no re-encoding to be done.


The HDV video from the HC1 camera is 1440 x 1080. I thought that was one of the options on the HD-DVD menu.

Joe

The HDV video from the HC1 camera is 1440 x 1080. I thought that was one of the options on the HD-DVD menu.

Joe

It's one of the output options, but it seems to re-encode 1440x1080 files. So it appears to be an output option, but not a native input option. That deosn't seem to make any sense, but that's what it looks like.

Marc.

Joe, did you want to send me a small sample to try? Just a few seconds of one of the files will do, and I'll see what happens.

Marc.

Which Joe? I could send you some also. Just let me know how.

Thanks!

Joe

My HC1 footage goes through without needing to re-encode - very fast - but it has been edited and output with Premiere Pro. I think I remember others posting here that their HC1 footage doesn't need to re-encode either.

Hi Joe,

What settings have you used with Premiere Pro when you create the edited version of the HC1 video? I have been creating .mpg files CBR 25000 MBps, 1440x1080. I tried creating .m2t transport stream and renaming that to .mpg. I think that was mentioned earlier in the thread. I couldn't get VS10 to accept the renamed file as input. I've also tried using the .mpg file as captured by MSP8 without any editing but I still get the video stutter. I'm thinking that if I can get anything to work without re-encoding then I can try to figure out what the difference is between what gets re-encoded and what doesn't.

I can try using MSP to create a 1920x1080 version of my video since Marc mentioned that seems to work without converting. But since you have been able to get it to accept HC1 video without re-encoding, I'd like to see if I can replicate the settings you are using.

The reason I am trying so hard to get this to work is that I have some really nice HDV video from a trip to Venice (what a beautiful city!) and I'd love to be able to play that from HD-DVD.

Thanks

Joe

Is there any way to get multichannel audio or is it just limited to stereo in MF5?

Is there any way to get multichannel audio or is it just limited to stereo in MF5?


If the original file has 5.1 audio, so will the HD-DVD that MF5 creates

Marc.

When I check to reencode it only gives me the option of stereo even on 5.1 clips.

When I check to reencode it only gives me the option of stereo even on 5.1 clips.

I haven't had the need to re-encode, but apparently it does downconvert the 5.1 to stereo, if you re-encode.

Marc.

Yes, I have been following this thread since day one. Do not have aplayer yet but will in the next few month.
The mention of the VLC was for possibly playing the MF5 files.
Hopefully by the time I am ready there will be a new Ulead version.

Thanks all for posting this.
Gene

So I've been fooling around with MF5 trying to make it a bit more responsive. If I chop my file into 500MB pieces, it responds within reasonable time frames when adding media. The problem is, when it authors the disc, each clip becomes its own title. Any way around this?

Any other solution for making a simple HVDVD_TS folder?

I'd just like to take this opportunity to thanks aaron.s for a great thread - and everyone else who has contributed here. This is great and useful stuff!

The good news is that I have figured out how to prevent VS10 from re-encoding video. If I chop anything off the beginning or end of the clip while in the HD-DVD authoring tool, it will re-encode the clip. If I use the whole clip that I added to the project, it doesn't re-encode.

The bad news is that I still get the video stuttering even when it doesn't re-encode. I've used VideoLan to view the input video. There is no stutter. I use VideoLan to view the non re-encoded EVO file. It stutters. I'm so disappointed. I thought I finally had my problem solved.

If it isn't re-encoding, the MPEG settings shouldn't have any affect, should they? Just in case, I tried checking "two pass" and changed the setting to "upper field first" to match the input file. I do have the option not to re-encode compliant files checked.

Could I be doing something different from the people who aren't having any problem? At least I have determined the step where the problem is occurring since it isn't present on the input video and it is present on the non re-encoded EVO file.

Any ideas anyone?

Thanks!

Joe

The good news is that I have figured out how to prevent VS10 from re-encoding video. If I chop anything off the beginning or end of the clip while in the HD-DVD authoring tool, it will re-encode the clip. If I use the whole clip that I added to the project, it doesn't re-encode.

The bad news is that I still get the video stuttering even when it doesn't re-encode. I've used VideoLan to view the input video. There is no stutter. I use VideoLan to view the non re-encoded EVO file. It stutters. I'm so disappointed. I thought I finally had my problem solved.

If it isn't re-encoding, the MPEG settings shouldn't have any affect, should they? Just in case, I tried checking "two pass" and changed the setting to "upper field first" to match the input file. I do have the option not to re-encode compliant files checked.

Could I be doing something different from the people who aren't having any problem? At least I have determined the step where the problem is occurring since it isn't present on the input video and it is present on the non re-encoded EVO file.

Any ideas anyone?

Thanks!

Joe

I can't remember any case where MF5 accepted my clip, went through the whole process quickly (i.e. didn't re-encode but simply reformatted the HD MPEG file to EVO) and I had video stutter. I did have one project where MF5 forced a re-encode when I tried to trim frames from the beginning of a clip within MF5. Not trimming resulted in its going through without re-encoding.

I did try taking part of some of my troublesome clips (Road Trip and HD Getaways both forced MF5 to convert) - edited just a few seconds out and tried those in MF5. They returned this error code: "The MPEG Program Stream is not compatible with this DVD engine." Note that the full clips went through the process (with conversion) and gave me an HVDVD folder, but the video stuttered a few times a minute. The tiny clips wouldn't even process.

For those of you who have the early version of this program that has the ISO and Blu-ray options, have you tried creating Blu-ray folders? I know there's no way to test them yet, but I'd be curious to find out what kind of files the program likes/dislikes. Someone else here mentioned that Blu-ray works with .ts files, while we all know that HD DVD expects program stream.

For anyone thinking about MF5 just for creating movies, I'd have to say try the trial version first. I have the most trouble with movies. Fortunately for me, most of what I'm most interested in doing is TV shows and shorter programs from satellite. Again, I've had a lot more success than failure with these kinds of programs.

One other note. If I could get MyHD to play back programs smoothly from regular DVD recordables on a computer DVD drive, this process would be a little less attractive. However, I can't get .ts files (or MPEG files) to play back smoothly on MyHD that way. They almost always break up at some point during playback. When this process works, it works beautifully. And it does work most of the time, just not most of the time for movies. All the files that cause me trouble in MF5 play back without issue from the computer hard drive with MyHD. I just don't have the hard drive space to store everything (short of 7 terrabytes). And I don't trust hard drives long term for archiving. They will fail some day.

Thanks Joe!

When I don't trim the clip and press "burn" it goes directly to the muxing phase and creates the DVD folder quickly. When I trim anything from the beginning or end, it goes through "converting title" and takes much longer. Either way, I get the stutter.

Are there any other settings we might have set differently - either on the way we create the input video or the settings in Ulead?

I've noticed one other thing that may be significant. I've only noticed the problem when there is a substantial change between frames, for example a zoom or someone walking close to the camera with an umbrella. I'm not sure if it is just more noticeable at those times but is really happening all the time, or if it is more likely to happen when it requires more bits to describe the change between frames. I've used various versions of my videos for testing. Sometimes I have just used the scenes where I notice problems. Other times there is a lot of video before those scenes. In either case, I see the stutters in the same places. I have verified that the stutter is not present in the input video.

Perhaps I should also try posting a question on the Ulead forum. I figured people trying to author HD would be more likely to be reading this thread than the Ulead forum, but it is worth a shot.

Thanks again

Joe

Well, I changed my DVD-R out and am using an LG and things are flawless now. I even used a custom menu and it works well.

1080i PBS recordings.

Awesome. I'm going to try a burn of a Sara Mc concert that I have in 720P and see what happens.

PS I find the video to have much less macroblocking on playback in the A1 vs the PC.

Wesley J

Well, 720p concert that I converted a while back works flawlessly to!

Check the details here: http://blog.weshill.com/index.php?title=hd_dvd_i_ve_successfully_made_my_own&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Who else is using DVD Studio Pro 4 ? Have you got the menus to work correct?

does anyone have a .ts of the HDNet Test pattern(need true 1920x1080i) ? I am sure M. Cuban wouldn't mind us using it to test our displays

if you could isolate 30 seconds of the final 3 mins that would be a huge help to our test dics's

I would love to see what kind of Horz. resolution I am getting from the Toshiba compared to my D-VHS chain(of which I always used the HDNet pattern to check my resolution)

Thanks guys

-Gary

I found the INHD tune-up .ts file last night, if you are interested.

I would like it.

I found it on usenet. 330MB file.
Is it ok to be more specific about where?

I don't think anyone will get in a fizz over test patterns, which do not even have a copyright shown anywhere on them

I would like to see the INHD in addition to HDNet

I had the 15 min. HDNet .ts on a dvd but lost it :mad:

-Gary

Some of you may be interested to know about this site: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/hddvd/default.aspx
It offers some tools for and examples of interactive content for HD-DVDs. These apparently go in an ADV_OBJ directory at the top level of the disk. Some have tried making discs which play in the HD-A1 using the examples, but seems like it's not quite figured out yet. I tried adding the ADV_OBJ directory to some MF5/Nero generated discs, but get the 0x4094c501 error they mentioned. Lest anyone get excited about the wmv video in one of the examples - don't bother trying that in the HD-A1. It's not intended to be valid HD-DVD content - just playable in the simulator MS provides.

Anyone had any success with the HBO broadcast of Star Wars III tonight? It's over 9.5 GB from my Dish grab, but it also causes MF5 to do its mollasses stall when I try to load it in. I tried the whole file and cut it into pieces, but I suppose I'll have to wait forever if I want to see if it will process without video stuttering.

does anyone have a .ts of the HDNet Test pattern(need true 1920x1080i) ?

There's another interesting resolution chart at http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/ISO_12233-reschart.pdf which the author says (http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/res-chart.html) is copyright free. If I can figure out a way to snag a 1920x1080 section just inside the 16:9 outline in the pdf into a bitmap, I'll make an HVDVD_TS folder of it. If it works, this will also allow horizontal and vertical resolution measurement as it's already labelled in 100's of lines per picture height. We should be able to go all the way up to 10.8 if things go well.

[QUOTE=brosnan]...http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/ISO_12233-reschart.pdf ... I'll make an HVDVD_TS folder of it. ...[QUOTE]

This pattern is now available in the 200 MB HVDVD_TS.zip file at http://www.wb5mrn.com/tv/hdtestpattern/tprez . For the first minute it's stationary, then it begins to slowly pan around for 1 minute to highlight motion related effects. If you wonder whether a given effect is in the source or not, view the EVO file on a PC (with mplayerc, VLC,...).

Created by screen capture in Acrobat while zoomed to 1920x1080 inner size->crop in PS->BMP-> m2t 1080p29.97 with Vegas->MF5 100%/no re-encode

Thanks Brosnan for all your hard work

-Gary

For those interested, the INHD tune-up is on alt.binaries.hdtv.repost on 6/2

Another little tidbit. I have found that MF5 works a lot faster when I have the source files on my secondary "D" drive (the main program is installed on the "C" drive).

Can anyone recommend a free news reader? Also, I'd be more than happy to host these files if they are not copyrighted so if someone has them PM me so we can arrange to upload them to my server.

Wes

Some of you may be interested to know about this site: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/forpros/hddvd/default.aspx
It offers some tools for and examples of interactive content for HD-DVDs.

Brosnan -
I downloaded this a few weeks ago, but have yet to install it. If you've gone through the documentation, can you tell me if it tells you how to access content on the Internet?

If I read the HD-A1 documentation correctly, it is possible for disks to contain links to Internet sites for various purposes, including playing trailers. I'm thinking that this feature could be used to play movies on your local network. Thus, you could just load your HD movies onto your computer and play them without needing to burn disks. Now all I need to do is figure out how to do it :)

Brosnan -
can you tell me if it tells you how to access content on the Internet?




There's no explicit mention of this in the help files (viewable here (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/HDDVDATK/htm/hddvdprogrammingguide.asp) ). But the XML format examples contain things like
<Resource src="file:///dvddisc/ADV_OBJ/font.ttf" />
which make me wonder if you could point to remote URLs.

come on guys some one cough it up, thanks a bunch Cal, but I don't use newsgroups

someone must have the HDNet test pattern .ts file for someone to host ? I had it but can't find it

this would be a great way to test our Toshiba's and even compare the HDMI to Component output

-Gary

come on guys some one cough it up, thanks a bunch Cal, but I don't use newsgroups

someone must have the HDNet test pattern .ts file for someone to host ? I had it but can't find it

this would be a great way to test our Toshiba's and even compare the HDMI to Component output

-Gary

Gary,

I'm set up to record them this coming week. I used to have them for a while on my 921, but it went in the trade-in for the 622. Check me later this week if you don't have them by then. I'm goint to be burning an HD DVD of the patterns as soon as I get them.

There's no explicit mention of this in the help files (viewable here (http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/HDDVDATK/htm/hddvdprogrammingguide.asp) ). But the XML format examples contain things like
<Resource src="file:///dvddisc/ADV_OBJ/font.ttf" />
which make me wonder if you could point to remote URLs.
Thanks for looking at it. I think you're right; it certainly does imply you can point to remote URLs. I need to check it out and perhaps get on some programming forums.

For all the mac users that want to convert the 1080p QT trailers to work on a HD DVD:

Open QT trailer with Mpeg Streamclip

Export to Quicktime, using Apple intermedite Codec 100% quality.

Use these settings for export:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7255/picture10hl.th.jpg (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture10hl.jpg)

note the X/Y Settings in the Zoom section

Set this 1.33 if the trailer is 2.35:1
Set this to 1.0 if the trailer is 16x9

Make sure you enter 23.97 for the frame rate

after the export is done open Compressor (comes with FCS)

Select HD DVD Mpeg2 as output fromat

Make sure you select AIFF as the audio format (there is a bug in the Dolby output that results in no audio)

picture of configuration:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8610/picture37zc.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture37zc.jpg)

then just bring the m2v and AIFF into your DSP4 HD DVD project!

BTW the Mpeg2 is 19Mb/s VBR with 27Mb/s Peak, so it should be transparent to the QT file.

Thanks Joe, you are a godsend

-Gary

Gary, I have the full TS file (1.25 gig) as well as the 3 different patterns in mpg (.35 - .5 gig) pulled out with VideoRedo. I burned a test disk with 3 chapters (1 for each pattern). I just need to have a place to upload them.

come on guys some one cough it up, thanks a bunch Cal, but I don't use newsgroups

someone must have the HDNet test pattern .ts file for someone to host ? I had it but can't find it

this would be a great way to test our Toshiba's and even compare the HDMI to Component output

-Gary

I'd be more than happy to host them, PM me.....

Thanks to another Joe, we are getting close guys ;), Mooney will host them, send him that PM

-Gary

We should all post torrents as soon as we get it too. Just looked at my hosting and I get 200GB/month so I'd guess we'll use it up pretty quick.

edit

-Gary

Gary, I have the full TS file (1.25 gig) as well as the 3 different patterns in mpg (.35 - .5 gig) pulled out with VideoRedo. I burned a test disk with 3 chapters (1 for each pattern). I just need to have a place to upload them.


why is the pattern that big? is their nulls?

Did anyone else do the firmware update and lose the ability to play your "homemade" HDDVD's over HDMI like I did? They start to play and I get the dreaded "HDMI Error 1" message.

I'll have to check. I didn't try any after the update.

Did anyone else do the firmware update and lose the ability to play your "homemade" HDDVD's over HDMI like I did? They start to play and I get the dreaded "HDMI Error 1" message.

Wow, this would be a killer for me. It's the main reason I bought the A1. I haven't done an update and if this is how they "update", I never will.

I updated my player last night and the first disc I played was one I'd burned earlier with MF5...

Crap, I havent checked yet either......

Did anyone else do the firmware update and lose the ability to play your "homemade" HDDVD's over HDMI like I did? They start to play and I get the dreaded "HDMI Error 1" message.

That's what I was afraid of, and why I will never 'update' I'm enjoying my home-made HD-DVDS far too much.

Marc.

My burned HD-DVDs have played just fine.

Okay, that's a partial lie - my single-layers played just fine. My dual-layers played fine for the first layer and then crapped out at the layer change. Then again, I've only burned, like, two dual-layer discs, so I don't consider this a deal breaker. It also could've been an isolated incident with just that disc.

I'm still battling the video skipping on my HD DVDs that I described earlier. I thought maybe the Ulead forum would be a good place for help with that. If you want to see something that will make you never look for help there, check out this thread: http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=14328 . I described my problem (several short video skips per minute). I exlained that they were not present in my source mpeg file. I explained that I got VS10 to just mux and not re-encode. I explained that if I viewed the EVO files directly from hard disk, they skipped in exactly the same places so I think it is unlikely that the problem is with reading the DVDs.

First I got told that this was impossible. Then I got told that DVDs cannot spin fast enough to carry HD data. I repeated that I could play the EVO files directly from hard disk and they skipped also. I got told if I wanted to play files on my PC, I should just play MPEG files and not EVO files. I explained I was playing them for diagnostic purposes. An especially "helpful" person posted that although he hadn't read this entire thread, I had clearly misunderstood because this AVS thread was about burning Divx files as data to a DVD and playing it with a Linc player. I presisted trying for help, explaining what this thread was about and what I was doing. The "helpful" guy posted again that he tried the steps I outlined and got the same skipping when he viewed the EVO file. But he said he needed to rename the EVO to MPG, which is not legit, so that was my problem. He also said that any burner program would downres the EVO file and even so the data rate was too high for a standard DVD. He concluded with "This may turn out to be another Internet "legend" that will soon be disproved."

The folks on that thread have been much more intent on proving that I was trying to do something that I shouldn't be doing rather than on helping with the problem. That is unfortunate.

So I'm back here with a couple questions. For the folks who are generating files with no skipping, is anyone using Video Studio or is everybody using Movie Factory? Somebody at the Ulead forum suggested that their EVO creation code might be different between the two products.

Second, is there anyone who is NOT having skipping problems willing to try a couple seconds of my video and to see if they are able to generate files without skipping? I could either mail a data DVD with the mpeg file or if there is somewhere I could FTP it, I could do that.

And last, if anyone would be inspired to post to the Ulead thread explaining this isn't an urban legend, perhaps someone will take the thread seriously and try to help.

Thanks!

Joe

-edit-
ps. Since I wrote that, other folks have joined and tried to find solutions. The one guy still keeps insisting it can't or shouldn't be done.

I'm still battling the video skipping on my HD DVDs that I described earlier. I thought maybe the Ulead forum would be a good place for help with that. If you want to see something that will make you never look for help there, check out this thread: http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=14328 . I described my problem (several short video skips per minute). I exlained that they were not present in my source mpeg file. I explained that I got VS10 to just mux and not re-encode. I explained that if I viewed the EVO files directly from hard disk, they skipped in exactly the same places so I think it is unlikely that the problem is with reading the DVDs.

First I got told that this was impossible. Then I got told that DVDs cannot spin fast enough to carry HD data. I repeated that I could play the EVO files directly from hard disk and they skipped also. I got told if I wanted to play files on my PC, I should just play MPEG files and not EVO files. I explained I was playing them for diagnostic purposes. An especially "helpful" person posted that although he hadn't read this entire thread, I had clearly misunderstood because this AVS thread was about burning Divx files as data to a DVD and playing it with a Linc player. I presisted trying for help, explaining what this thread was about and what I was doing. The "helpful" guy posted again that he tried the steps I outlined and got the same skipping when he viewed the EVO file. But he said he needed to rename the EVO to MPG, which is not legit, so that was my problem. He also said that any burner program would downres the EVO file and even so the data rate was too high for a standard DVD. He concluded with "This may turn out to be another Internet "legend" that will soon be disproved."

The folks on that thread have been much more intent on proving that I was trying to do something that I shouldn't be doing rather than on helping with the problem. That is unfortunate.

So I'm back here with a couple questions. For the folks who are generating files with no skipping, is anyone using Video Studio or is everybody using Movie Factory? Somebody at the Ulead forum suggested that their EVO creation code might be different between the two products.

Second, is there anyone who is NOT having skipping problems willing to try a couple seconds of my video and to see if they are able to generate files without skipping? I could either mail a data DVD with the mpeg file or if there is somewhere I could FTP it, I could do that.

And last, if anyone would be inspired to post to the Ulead thread explaining this isn't an urban legend, perhaps someone will take the thread seriously and try to help.

Thanks!

Joe

-edit-
ps. Since I wrote that, other folks have joined and tried to find solutions. The one guy still keeps insisting it can't or shouldn't be done.

Joe,

I skimmed that Ulead support area, too, and it didn't look to be that helpful.

To answer your questions, I'm using MF5, not VS10, so I don't know if they are substantially different in how they go about creating the files. I use Adobe Premiere for all my editing and create .m2t files from within Premiere.

I don't know how much help a couple of seconds would be in diagnosing your problem. I'd be happy to test some of your file footage, but you'll probably have to send me at least a couple of minutes.

I think there is a solution to your problem, so don't give up. You should be able to get satisfactory results. I think I said it earlier in the thread: if I had tried a couple of my failed clips first, I might have given up on this process. Overall, though, it's very valuable and I love it. However, I'm still having the most trouble with movies. I tried to create an HD DVD of some of the Star Wars Sith movie from HBO last Saturday. I captured a clip of a minute + and it went through the process just fine and looked great. When I tried to do a one hour section, it took 5 hours to create some 12 chapter stops and at burn time it told me "The MPEG program stream is not compatible with this DVD engine."

I think what I need here is someone with a lot more technical expertise than I have with MPEG formats to take a look at the files and see if there are substantial differences between files that succeed and files that don't. It could be that the only difference is how MF5 chooses to handle certain files. I just don't have to tools or the expertise to diagnose the problem.

Balazer, are you still reading this thread?

Did anyone else do the firmware update and lose the ability to play your "homemade" HDDVD's over HDMI like I did? They start to play and I get the dreaded "HDMI Error 1" message.


I updated the firmware on my HD-A1 to 1.2 over the weekend and just played my homemade disk (created with firmware 1.0) of Batman Begins (from HBO-HD) and it played just fine over HDMI.

Did anyone else do the firmware update and lose the ability to play your "homemade" HDDVD's over HDMI like I did? They start to play and I get the dreaded "HDMI Error 1" message.


No, so far all my burnt HD DVDs have worked and the dual layer discs play 1st try instead of ejecting and trying again and again.

I'm using VS 10+. When VS does not re-encode I have no problems. When it re-encodes from 720p or 1280x1080i, I get lip synch issues, video stutter and skips every few seconds. I'm not sure if I want to update the software because I have Blu-ray creation capabilities and image creation in my version.

Do you guys still want the test pattern? I have it and am willing to upload it, I have plenty of space and Bandwidth.

I'm using VS 10+. When VS does not re-encode I have no problems. When it re-encodes from 720p or 1280x1080i, I get lip synch issues, video stutter and skips every few seconds. I'm not sure if I want to update the software because I have Blu-ray creation capabilities and image creation in my version.

Hey, Pete,

Since you have Blu-ray capability, could you do a test and see what sort of files MovieFactory 5 likes? Does it handle native .ts files? If so, is it more or less forgiving than it is for HD DVD? I'm really curious about this. It would make Blu-ray disc creation one step easier, and one day I'm going to have a combo player (if both formats survive).

I updated the firmware on my HD-A1 to 1.2 over the weekend and just played my homemade disk (created with firmware 1.0) of Batman Begins (from HBO-HD) and it played just fine over HDMI.

Did you re-encode Batman Begins? What was your source (cable, E*, D*)? My E* capture is too long for a double layer DVD.

I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but can the Ulead software play back the HD-DVD iso's (or directories) that it authors or can they only be tested on a "real" HD-DVD player?

I'm sorry if this has already been covered, but can the Ulead software play back the HD-DVD iso's (or directories) that it authors or can they only be tested on a "real" HD-DVD player?

No, it can't play back the files. You can play back the EVO files with Nero, Windows Media Player, VLC, etc.

The blu-ray option in VS 10+ does not like .ts files either. The files it creates are .m2ts files (in the stream folder), there are also 8 folders created within 2 main folders!

nice guy please do, we need it bad, to add to our test disc's here at AVS, I can't wait to see what resolution I am getting from the Toshiba

I have found the HDNet Test pattern resolution wedge to be the best yet to look at how much you are resolving with your display

-Gary

Ok, here it is:
http://agprojects.net/INHD%20HD%20Tune-up.ts
The file is 330 MB. Enjoy :)

Did you re-encode Batman Begins? What was your source (cable, E*, D*)? My E* capture is too long for a double layer DVD.


Joe:

It was just a 30 minute clip of Batman Begins that I created. MF5 insisted on reencoding it and downsampled the 5.1 AC-3 audio to LPCM stereo as well. The source was a R5000-HD capture from D*.

I've been playing around tonight with my R5000 capture of Star Wars ROTS. I edited the capture with HDTVtoMPEG2 v 1.11.83 and then used Womble MPEG-VCR to split it into 2 equal size files. Both those files load OK into MF5 but MF5 wants to reencode them and reports that the roughly 4.5 GB input file needs to be bloated to 12 GB in order to create an HD DVD folder! HDTVtoMPEG2 reported the original file as 1280x1088...is there an application that will convert a 1280x1088 transport stream to 1280x1080 (perhaps MF5 would like that better and not insist on reencoding it?)

Ok, here it is:
http://agprojects.net/INHD%20HD%20Tune-up.ts
The file is 330 MB. Enjoy :)

Thanks!

Ok, here it is:
http://agprojects.net/INHD%20HD%20Tune-up.ts
The file is 330 MB. Enjoy :)
MF5 won't recognize the ts file. What do I need to use to get MF5 to recognize it?

sweet thanks Nice Guy

now all we need is HDNet and we have one heck of a test disc

someone make a ready to burn fileset of this pattern set and I am sure Nice guy would upload it and take this down, to make it easy for folks to use ;)

-Gary

sweet thanks Nice Guy

now all we need is HDNet and we have one heck of a test disc

someone make a ready to burn fileset of this pattern set and I am sure Nice guy would upload it and take this down, to make it easy for folks to use ;)

-Gary

Look here. I just finished uploading an HD DVD image file ready to burn - INHD.iso

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7782788&&#post7782788

MF5 won't recognize the ts file. What do I need to use to get MF5 to recognize it?

You need to convert it to MPEG2 program stream first. I use Womble MPEG-VCR to do that. Just pull the file from an Explorer window into the open window in the program after you start it. There's a small red "cylinder" at the bottom right of the interface. Click it and it will give you the option to convert to MPEG2 program stream. Tell it where to save it and then use that file in MF5. (MPEG-VCR gives you a fully functional 30 day trial.)

Guys, I'm still having rotten luck using anything but Womble. I take a .ts file from the R5000 or MyHD and try using HDTVtoMPEG2 or VideoRedo and MF5 either rejects it or, more often, forces a re-encode. Womble works well, although most films still force a re-encode.

I have the HDNet test patterns, although they started a few seconds earlier than the program guide said. Only problem now is that Womble has made it difficult for me to buy their program. I use Hotmail and they won't let me use my "free" e-mail address for purchase purposes. I have to provide a different address. I can't do much in terms of editing the test patterns file until I get that arranged.

thanks very much Nice Guy, I have never seen the INHD patterns before, they are great

Joe post what you got and one of us could re edit

Thanks Cal, I appreciate it as does everyone else I am sure

now all we need is HDNet and then someone can make us a complete test disc that will get everything done

Thanks everyone

-Gary

thanks very much Nice Guy, I have never seen the INHD patterns before, they are great

Joe post what you got and one of us could re edit

Thanks Cal, I appreciate it as does everyone else I am sure

now all we need is HDNet and then someone can make us a complete test disc that will get everything done

Thanks everyone

-Gary

Gary,

I was able to edit the HDNet test patterns with H2M. It worked fine for my R5000 capture. (The HVDVD folder completed without issue.) The program stream file is just short of 1.1 GB. How do I go about posting it? I haven't done that before.

The InHD patterns, using H2M, choked MF5. I got the error: "The MPEG program stream is not compatible with this DVD engine." I'm thinking Womble will do the job, but I don't have it yet. (Trial expired and Womble is making it difficult for me to buy the program.)

how can he post it guys ?

maybe here from Kris K Berger's post below:

Would you try to upload it via FTP to: ftp://files.kbenterprises.com or ftp://kbenterprises.com ? Username: hdtv Password: hdtest .

It should work, in IE after log-in you should get empty folder, just drag it there (or copy/paste from it's location). Hope it works (I set it up this morning, and I can't verify it internaly, any of system's here defaults to Intranet, since I am running my own DNS Server, so I don't know how it looks from "outside"). I exchanged PMs with cal87 (he apparently has .img file), but I think he misunderstood procedure... Any chance for converting it to disk image?
Either way, I would post it for everybody to download!
Thanks,

-Gary

You need to convert it to MPEG2 program stream first. I use Womble MPEG-VCR to do that. Just pull the file from an Explorer window into the open window in the program after you start it. There's a small red "cylinder" at the bottom right of the interface. Click it and it will give you the option to convert to MPEG2 program stream. Tell it where to save it and then use that file in MF5. (MPEG-VCR gives you a fully functional 30 day trial.)

Guys, I'm still having rotten luck using anything but Womble. I take a .ts file from the R5000 or MyHD and try using HDTVtoMPEG2 or VideoRedo and MF5 either rejects it or, more often, forces a re-encode. Womble works well, although most films still force a re-encode.

I have the HDNet test patterns, although they started a few seconds earlier than the program guide said. Only problem now is that Womble has made it difficult for me to buy their program. I use Hotmail and they won't let me use my "free" e-mail address for purchase purposes. I have to provide a different address. I can't do much in terms of editing the test patterns file until I get that arranged.
What extension do you need to give it? I tried it with an mpg extension and MF5 saw it but it said there was no video data. But I was able to play the mpg file in windows media player there is definitely video since WM won't play the ts file.

Hmm. I just tried VideoReDo and it worked with MF5 for me. MF5 is working on the project now so I guess I'll find out tonight how it did.

I guess VideoReDo worked with MF5 for me. It only took a few minutes for MF5. I'll burn it to disc and try it in the A1 tonight. Thanks.

how can he post it guys ?

maybe here from Kris K Berger's post below:

Would you try to upload it via FTP to: ftp://files.kbenterprises.com or ftp://kbenterprises.com ? Username: hdtv Password: hdtest .

It should work, in IE after log-in you should get empty folder, just drag it there (or copy/paste from it's location). Hope it works (I set it up this morning, and I can't verify it internaly, any of system's here defaults to Intranet, since I am running my own DNS Server, so I don't know how it looks from "outside"). I exchanged PMs with cal87 (he apparently has .img file), but I think he misunderstood procedure... Any chance for converting it to disk image?
Either way, I would post it for everybody to download!
Thanks,

-Gary

I tried to FTP it but couldn't get in. I don't have the version of MF5 that creates ISOs. I'm going to try the disc later today with my A1. I don't expect any problems.

I don't have much experience with FTP. Any chance my security settings are interfering?

I tried to FTP it but couldn't get in. I don't have the version of MF5 that creates ISOs. I'm going to try the disc later today with my A1. I don't expect any problems.

I don't have much experience with FTP. Any chance my security settings are interfering?

I couldn't get in at first. What I finally did was this. Go to Windows Firewall (in Control Panel or Security Center), go to advanced tab, click on settings for local area connection, check FTP server. Although I changed a bunch of settings trying to get it to work, this is what I think finally allowed me in.

If you've got the HDNet file, I can convert it no problem to a HD DVD image. Still not sure exactly how accurate/useful these patterns will be after the conversion.