Hopefully this isn't too soon to start a thread on this new monitor listed as "coming soon" on the Westinghouse Web site.

The basics:

1080p
6 HD inputs
47"
6.5ms response rate


link to info on Westinghouse Web site (http://www.westinghousedigital.com/pc-59-7-47-1080p-monitor.aspx)

Anyone have any inside scoop (substantiated or perhaps even speculated) on when this will hit the market?

Anyone have any other details? I bought the LVM-37w3 recently and have been looking to get something similar, but BIGGER for use in my living room.

It appears as though the panel may be new or different as it's response rate is 6.5ms vs. 8ms on the w3. Would be great to know if the few issues identified on the w3 will be resolved on this set. Looking at the bright side, Westinghouse has seemingly improved each of its next generation sets over the previous version (in many respects I think we can all agree)...so perhaps additional improvements can be expected here as well.

user manual now avaible for download. The user manual is a shared document with 42" Model. Having the docuements ready must mean the 47" is coming very soon. Let's hope the bugs have been ironed out on the 47" model.

user manual now avaible for download. The user manual is a shared document with 42" Model. Having the docuements ready must mean the 47" is coming very soon. Let's hope the bugs have been ironed out on the 47" model.

I agree. Must be a good sign. I have no idea what generation of panel Westinghouse considers itself to be on now but I am hopeful that it is newer/further along than the W3 and W2 panels. Refresh rate would seem to be an indicator of that...unless refresh can be improved through modifications outside of the panel itself???

I asked Westinghouse today about availability, while on the phone for tech support.

The CS rep said he didn't have any data other than "available by January 2007."

jan07 wtf ?? better not be for real.I have been waiting too long already.

Hmm..... Based on prior model release records from Westinghouse, it usually takes about 1 to 2 months after the web page have been placed before we can see it in local BB or online shops. So, my bet is on end of July or early August rollout.

The wait could be worth it if they work on know issues with the 42" model. Hopefully the lockups and such will be nonexistent on the 47" model. I want to see how the 47" Westy compares with the upcoming 47" Olevia Signature series.

Anyone know if Westinghouse will produce anything larger than the 47" LCD? I'm still kind of torn between this one and a 50" plasma (namely the Panasonic) - 47 is almost a bit too small for me.. Something in the 50-55" range would be perfect...

I was all set to get the 42 inch Westy but the 47 inch is the better size for my room. I would like to get a "rough" date for it's release if it does indeed come out say by or in July I'll wait. If it going to be into the fall I'll go ahead and get the 42inch.

Waiting with baited breath for this thing. 47", wall-mountable, 1080p and supposedly closer to $3000 than $10000. Sounds like a winner to me. :cool:
Hurry up, Chi-Mei, or whoever is making these panels.... :D

jan07 wtf ?? better not be for real.I have been waiting too long already.

That's not a confirmed date. That's the only date the rep would give me as a "out by at least this time" date. I imagine we'll see it sooner than that, but that's the only firm data I have.

Anyone know if Westinghouse will produce anything larger than the 47" LCD? I'm still kind of torn between this one and a 50" plasma (namely the Panasonic) - 47 is almost a bit too small for me.. Something in the 50-55" range would be perfect...

Westinghouse showed 56" 4K x 2K native pixel panels at CES. I thought Westhinghouse wanted to market the 56" prior to the 47", but gues the plans have changed again. Anyway, the 56" model was aiming at $10k market due having 4x the pixels than the 1080p model. It will be an interesting product if it ever makes it out.

Westinghouse showed 56" 4K x 2K native pixel panels at CES. I thought Westhinghouse wanted to market the 56" prior to the 47", but gues the plans have changed again. Anyway, the 56" model was aiming at $10k market due having 4x the pixels than the 1080p model. It will be an interesting product if it ever makes it out.

That was highest resolution panel in the world, maybe still is. I think this would be used for speciall purpose displays, for example in medical field. I know NASA used very high resolution B&W displays to view pictures send by spacecraft, I'm sure they would love to have that 56", also Hollywood should be wanting few of those as well, especially that it claims to have 106% NTSC color range, for all that 2k and 4k digital film recordings. For consumer use such high resolution shouldn't make much difference due to lack of video source anywhere near that since we still patiently await for 1080p. Also special purpose design could mean missing simple things like good video scaller for SD signal :) Do they even have a scaler capable of upscalling 720x480 signal into 3840x2160?

Westinghouse showed 56" 4K x 2K native pixel panels at CES. I thought Westhinghouse wanted to market the 56" prior to the 47", but gues the plans have changed again. Anyway, the 56" model was aiming at $10k market due having 4x the pixels than the 1080p model. It will be an interesting product if it ever makes it out.

I think that 57" was purely a proof of concept...not unlike many cars that never see the light of day in terms of production.

I think that 57" was purely a proof of concept...not unlike many cars that never see the light of day in terms of production.

At some point in Febuary, Westinghouse was serious about getting the 56" out the door and delayed the 47" model. This is what the Westighouse customer service guy told me when I had called to ask about the 47" release date....... I thought it was odd that they made this decsion....also since they were thinking about pricing it at $10K, their marketing department must've been over estimating their branding at this point.... Don't get me wrong, I love westinghouse products at the current price point, but I'd probably think twice about spending $10k on westinghouse branding.... well, at that price, I'll think twice even on the highest end brands.

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/pc-59-7-47-1080p-monitor.aspx

Contrast is listed at 1200:1, highest yet for one of their 1080p panels.

The 6.5 response time is impressive. Man I'd like to see this TV come out soon,hopefully June.... :)

what is the likelyhood that these sets will have the banding problems of the 42 inch version? I will buy this TV without hesitation if there is no banding.

what is the likelyhood that these sets will have the banding problems of the 42 inch version? I will buy this TV without hesitation if there is no banding.

That another reason I'd like to see this TV. Maybe the "banding" and "lockup" issues have been addressed and corrected with this Model. Like I have posted preivously I don't mind waiting for this TV(my 1st HDTV) if it will indeed be out in June or perhaps early July but I am really wanting an HDTV soon. I already have DirecTv HD channels just need to get full use of them.

The 47" monitor will be almost identical to the 42" panel in all but size. There is not a significant change coming until the new units are unvieled for the next product cycle.

I would expect the "lock-up" issues with the current units to be addressed shortly.

It is listed on the J&R web site and it says coming soon. Based on that they did for the other new Westinghouse products, I would guess that it would likely mean a month or so when it should be initially available.

The 47" monitor will be almost identical to the 42" panel in all but size. There is not a significant change coming until the new units are unvieled for the next product cycle.

I would expect the "lock-up" issues with the current units to be addressed shortly.

Since the response time is faster on the 47" wouldn't that mean somewhat different mechanical/electrical differences? I not a tech so I don't know how you make response times faster,just asking.

There are some improvements to be sure, just saying it is from the same generation as far as features are concerned.

I sure hope this tv comes out sooner (july) than later (jan07) cause this thing is perfect for me and my current setup.

I sure hope this tv comes out sooner (july) than later (jan07) cause this thing is perfect for me and my current setup.

I also hope the 47" model comes out soon because I'm afraid that I'll spend all my toy money elsewhere if it takes too long...... I've had my eye on this model even before the 42" was released.

BTW, has Westinghouse Service Menu code been released anywhere online? For some reason, I can find SM codes for any other brands find....but Westinghouse still seems to be untapped. Just curious what is the big deal for someone to publish the code?....

pcmall.com has it coming soon [EDIT]

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I sure hope this tv comes out sooner (july) than later (jan07) cause this thing is perfect for me and my current setup.

I'm with you. Though the 42" would be ok at my 6-8ft viewing,I feel the 47"would be about perfect.

Pardon the likely misspelling, but is Chi Mei the exclusive supplier of panels to Westinghouse (all models)?

Also, I thought that since this panel was listed to have faster response time that it may be the result of a newer generation of panel technology. Someone a few posts up indicated that is likely not the case. My question is, how are you able to know? And if it's something easy to share with us all, please do. Finally, do you know WHEN the next generation of panel technology is expected to arrive in Westinghouse monitors?

Thanks in advance for any info/insight.

I went to the Chi Mei website and the only 42 inch and 47 inch LCDs they had listed both had 8mns response time, even the 56" one had that time. I didn't see any that had 6.5 so maybe the Westy website is wrong about the response time on their 47" model.

I went to the Chi Mei website and the only 42 inch and 47 inch LCDs they had listed both had 8mns response time, even the 56" one had that time. I didn't see any that had 6.5 so maybe the Westy website is wrong about the response time on their 47" model.

Or perhaps the 6.5ms 46" panel is new to them too and just not listed yet? I would hope so as that may also indicate the panel is a "newer" generation panel.

Or perhaps the 6.5ms 46" panel is new to them too and just not listed yet? I would hope so as that may also indicate the panel is a "newer" generation panel.

Could be.

I went to the Chi Mei website and the only 42 inch and 47 inch LCDs they had listed both had 8mns response time, even the 56" one had that time. I didn't see any that had 6.5 so maybe the Westy website is wrong about the response time on their 47" model.


There is a 56" one??? Now that's really the size i want.

There is a 56" one??? Now that's really the size i want.

Their site has the Specs listed for one. Not sure if any companys that produce HDTVs for home use are using it yet.

There is a 56" one??? Now that's really the size i want.

You may see something by end of the year or sooner. However, it will cost ya $10k, which is $7K more than 47" for 9" larger screen + 2160p native panel? I'd definately go check one out on the demo floor, but wouldn't dare to bring one home at that price. :(

or maybe Chi mei isnt westinghouses supplier did anyone get this information straight from westinghouse or did they "figure this out" themselves?

or maybe Chi mei isnt westinghouses supplier did anyone get this information straight from westinghouse or did they "figure this out" themselves?

It's been a while but I think Chi Mei claims/promotes it's involvement with Westinghouse but not the other way around?

Someone here certainly knows more than I do on this though!

Heads up, J&R World in NYC is taking pre-orders on the Westy 47"[EDIT]

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Good price, but I can't believe they're going to ship these out UPS. From what I have read on the Olevia thread... many panels were 'trashed' because Target used to ship them via UPS.

The Chi Mei panel used on the 42" has really really terrible QC issue.
We goen though three sets of 42," all with visible to faint vertical bands spread across the screen.

Supposedly it is possible to get one without banding, but that remains to be seen.

Good price, but I can't believe they're going to ship these out UPS. From what I have read on the Olevia thread... many panels were 'trashed' because Target used to ship them via UPS.

UPS is a shipping option with J&R, not the only option. If you're in the Tri-State area picking the unit from the company's warehouse (or NYC downtown store) would save anyone the worry that UPS might trash the unit. Then again, with the reliability issues from the previous Westy 1080p units waiting for BB and CC to carry the Westy 47" so returns and firmware updates can be readily available might be the safest path. Unlike other brands (Samsung, Sony, etc.) it doesn't pay to jump early into bed with Westinghouse! :confused:

when is this coming out. or should I buy the 42"

when is this coming out. or should I buy the 42"

I don't think anyone has quoted anything firm in terms of availability but my guess (and that's all it really is) is sometime in June.

In regards to 42" vs. 46", I think you are looking at at least a generation newer panel/technology with the 46 vs. the 42. Anyone else care to chime in on this?

I've been looking into the Westinghouse 42 inch or the Sceptre 42 inch. Has anyone else done the research on these two brands? Their prices are competitive. Any thoughts? All this talk about the 47 inch westy makes me want to wait and skip the Sceptre all together.

A friend of mine just got his 37 inch Sceptre today. We hooked it up to our HD deck at the office and the footage looked incredible. Also, just this evening I went to BB and checked out the 42 inch Westy, which looked awesome with the 1080p HD-DVD playing back through it.

So anyway, what have you all heard about Sceptre and Westy. The Sceptre has a built in tuner, but it only has one HDMI and no DVI.....although it comes with a HDMI to DVI connector.

sceptre is not known for very good quality.....i wouldn't buy one from them if you take a look at pricegrabber's reviews by customers scepter does not sound very good. westinghouse isn't exactly a huge name either, but i'd go for the westinghouse as it has been getting a lot better reviews other than the bending and freezing problems. Personally, I am rethinking if i should get the 47 westinghouse at all now instead of the new samsung becuase the samsung has way better colors. I'm probably going to wait until both are at a store so I can compare.......75% ntsc vs 95% is a big deal too

sceptre is not known for very good quality.....i wouldn't buy one from them if you take a look at pricegrabber's reviews by customers scepter does not sound very good. westinghouse isn't exactly a huge name either, but i'd go for the westinghouse as it has been getting a lot better reviews other than the bending and freezing problems. Personally, I am rethinking if i should get the 47 westinghouse at all now instead of the new samsung becuase the samsung has way better colors. I'm probably going to wait until both are at a store so I can compare.......75% ntsc vs 95% is a big deal too

What do you mean by ".75% ntsc vs 95% is a big deal too"? I'm in it for the HD playback more than I am the NTSC SD playback.

Do you have a link to that Samsung you were referring too? Thanks for the info and insight.

By the way: When people say they bought their TV from "JR", what is JR?

By the way: When people say they bought their TV from "JR", what is JR?

We're talking about J&R [EDIT], a NYC electronics store with an excellent track record for ordering online or by phone (definitely not one of those scam NYC stores you read about). Their prices are competitive (neither too expensive or too low), the service excellent and their sales people know what they're talking about (unlike the low-wage earning kids at CC and BB). I've been buying electronics from J&R since 1986, when my father bought me a 2.5" B&W Sony Watchman as a gift for doing well in school and I bought an Akai 2-head Mono VCR that lasted me until 2001! :)

Samsung LN-S4096D/LN-S4696D are the two models. 40 and 46 inch respectively.

40 - [EDIT]tvauthority.

46 - [EDIT]www.tvauthority.

Samsung:
CCFL - Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp
(92% NTSC color gamut)
10-bit processor with 6.4 billion colors

Westinghouse:
Color Gamut 75% NTSC
16.7 Million colors

sorry it's 92% not 95%, my bad, but still that 6.4 billion colors vs 16.7 million forces me to consider the samsung tvs

Samsung LN-S4096D/LN-S4696D are the two models. 40 and 46 inch respectively.

40 - [EDIT]tvauthority.

46 - [EDIT]www.tvauthority.

Samsung:
CCFL - Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamp
(92% NTSC color gamut)
10-bit processor with 6.4 billion colors

Westinghouse:
Color Gamut 75% NTSC
16.7 Million colors

sorry it's 92% not 95%, my bad, but still that 6.4 billion colors vs 16.7 million forces me to consider the samsung tvs

Do companies fudge these numbers just as they do contrast ratio?

Sony is back! Change the 0 to o in com.

Sony.c0m/2006TV

I asked Westinghouse today about availability, while on the phone for tech support.

The CS rep said he didn't have any data other than "available by January 2007."

that was incorrect data, the LVM-47w1 will be out this summer (should hit the retailers by late june/july)

that 6.4 billion colors vs 16.7 million forces me to consider the samsung tvs

Scientific experiments have shown that humans can discriminate between very subtle differences in color, and estimates of the number of colors we can see range as high as 10 million. But don't worry maybe a pet or some bug will be able to see those billions of extra colors! :D Marketing hype... but as P.T. Barnum once said.... ;)

Sony is back! Change the 0 to o in com.

Sony.c0m/2006TV


Oh wow... that KDL-46XBR3 Bravia 46" LCD has a beautiful frame. Looks like a work of art.

I'm currently sitting here watching a 40" XBR LCD and it is a incredible display. It's only real issue is the price. It costs around 50% more than non-Sony brands.

I imagine the 46" 1080p Bravia will come in around $4500-$5000. This holiday season may have some good 1080p choices... from low end (Westy) to high end (Sony). Good stuff. :cool:

wow....that KDL-46XBR3 is HAWT !!! .. my birthday is in september. i will accept donations in all forms...start saving.

* looks at screen shots again...* drool. Westinghouse better wake up.

but september is so far away. I hope this does not cost an arm and leg.

Scientific experiments have shown that humans can discriminate between very subtle differences in color, and estimates of the number of colors we can see range as high as 10 million. But don't worry maybe a pet or some bug will be able to see those billions of extra colors! :D Marketing hype... but as P.T. Barnum once said.... ;)

The color is not what is really important here. The eye can see a large range of gray scales. 24 bit (8 bits/color 16.7 million colors) is only 256 shades of gray, and it is fairly easy to see banding. A larger color space helps smooth out the image and cut back on banding. Sure you probably cannot see as many shades of red or blue as green or gray, but to get more green/gray they usually increase red/blue too.

Hmmm -- I think what most people see as "banding" in HDTV is actually macroblocking due to the overcompression common on satellite, cable QAM, and over-the-air broadcasting. In Seattle, there are usually 2-4 simultaneous subchannels being broadcast over-the-air on the same main channel. Overcompression leads to banding/macroblocking in scenes with lots of subtle color gradients (e.g. sky/water) that is extremely obvious and annoying (at least to me). The same display when fed from my computer with photos from my wife's expensive Nikon digital camera shows NO banding in any of the photographs. I highly doubt most people will see banding in a non-compressed full 24-bit display.

press release (https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release-06-02-2006-2.aspx?whlm=cnav) came out yesterday.

press release (https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release-06-02-2006-2.aspx?whlm=cnav) came out yesterday.

$2,999 MSRP says the press release, WOW! I really, really hope that Westy has all its ducks in a row and has done away with all the lock-up and banding issues on the 37" and 42" Westy models. If the 47" becomes a best-seller,gets good reviews and the quality is good it might lead into an all-out price war between the other 1080p LCD manufacturers (Samsung, Sony, etc.) that would drag the Japanese and Korean electronics giants down from their $4,000+ MSRP. :D

press release (https://www.westinghousedigital.com/t-Press_Release-06-02-2006-2.aspx?whlm=cnav) came out yesterday.

W'house is "one of the top five LCD TV manufacturers in the U.S.".

Pretty impressive...kinda reminds me of how Samsung slowly crept up on the rest of the C.E. world a while back and then all of a sudden you started reading about how much marketshare they had and how solid their products had become, etc.

$2,999 MSRP says the press release, WOW!

It says "estimated retail price", which I take to mean street price, not MSRP. (The current pre-order price at web sites is higher.)

All is needs is a higher NTSC color gamut and it would be direct competition with the Q3 and Q4 tv's that are coming out.

Bummer no built-in ATSC tuner. But I guess that's okay for those of us who already have external tuners. I may pull the trigger on this one as soon as it hits mass market at Best Buy or Circuit City.

Thanks for the Press Release link. I'll be grabbing one from BB was soon as they appear.

Personally, I am rethinking if i should get the 47 westinghouse at all now instead of the new samsung becuase the samsung has way better colors.

The manual for the 57" Samsung says it won't accept PC resolutions on its HDMI inputs, you have to use the VGA input. Assuming the same is true of their 46" sets, they are non-starters for me, despite the better color gamut.

The manual for the 57" Samsung says it won't accept PC resolutions on its HDMI inputs, you have to use the VGA input. Assuming the same is true of their 46" sets, they are non-starters for me, despite the better color gamut.

Could you not also use DVI? I've used DVI on the 37" W1 and W3 sets and I can't imagine that this capability would be removed from newer sets.

Could you not also use DVI? I've used DVI on the 37" W1 and W3 sets and I can't imagine that this capability would be removed from newer sets.

I was referring to the new Samsung sets only taking PC resolutions over VGA. The Westy 47" supports PC resolutions on the DVI connections, and I'm eagerly awaiting being able to buy one to replace my Westy 37w1.

Hmmm -- I think what most people see as "banding" in HDTV is actually macroblocking due to the overcompression common on satellite, cable QAM, and over-the-air broadcasting. In Seattle, there are usually 2-4 simultaneous subchannels being broadcast over-the-air on the same main channel. Overcompression leads to banding/macroblocking in scenes with lots of subtle color gradients (e.g. sky/water) that is extremely obvious and annoying (at least to me). The same display when fed from my computer with photos from my wife's expensive Nikon digital camera shows NO banding in any of the photographs. I highly doubt most people will see banding in a non-compressed full 24-bit display.

I had three 42" 1080p Westinghouse sets, they ALL had banding problem.

Banding as defined by multiple vertical bands across the entire screen. This is most evident when using a solid gray background test pattern as posted on the 42" Westinghouse thread.

I have since returned my set, and am currently without a TV. Other than the QC issues, I think the Westinghouse is certainly one of the best 1080p sets out there. And after having lived with 1080p, I will NEVER buy a 720P TV, no matter how great it looked, it doesn't hold a candle against 1080p. That is why we returned out Samsung 4692d. Once we've seen 1080p, you will never go back.

Once we've seen 1080p, you will never go back.

Would a set that displays 1080p resolutions but doesn't accept it, like the JVC LT-40FH96, qualify in your statement? I've been torn for months between that JVC model and the 42", 37" and now 47" Westy's. The vertical banding and lock-up reports (many of them from your experiences stuka! ;) ) have made me weary of going with the Westy, but the '1080p or bust' line gets blurred for me with sets that display 1080p without accepting it but otherwise are outstanding buys (like the FH96 now that its been phased out for the FN97 model). Thank God my CTR 27" FV310 set puts up good SD, or this months-long search for the perfect HDTV would have driven me mad! :confused:

Looks like this is more or less the same release as posted the other day except it is on another site and does include a few additional details.

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20060602005428&newsLang=en

The color is not what is really important here. The eye can see a large range of gray scales. 24 bit (8 bits/color 16.7 million colors) is only 256 shades of gray, and it is fairly easy to see banding. A larger color space helps smooth out the image and cut back on banding. Sure you probably cannot see as many shades of red or blue as green or gray, but to get more green/gray they usually increase red/blue too.



look at those colorful plasmas all in a row in any store, any brand any price, you will see people who don't look human but rather more like fruit. the colors are so off, so saturated but damn they sure are colorful :rolleyes:

then look at the westy or sony lcds and suddenly people are much closer to the correct color. i've also been scrutinizing the samsung lcds, they tend to be on the "fruity" side as well.

high contrast sets seem to be the craze but i see a hit in the smoothness of the images in just about all the "high contrast" units. the samsung lcds with 5000:1 contrast is looking rather blotchy compared to the sony 1500:1(?) sets but dang it if it doesn't have more contrast.

just my opinion.

ok so colors and gamut aside, the westy still only has one hdmi input right? Can you give me a solution for plugging a ps3 and hdmi cable into the tv? if so, the 47 is a go for me as soon as I see it in a store...

Thanks!

contaygious,

The Westinhouse has one HDMI and two DVI's which are basically HDMI without the sound in the same cable. On the westinghouse both the HDMI and DVI are HDCP so no worries there. So the monitor already has three next gen ports.

You can always buy an HDMI to DVI and vice versa also there are several HDMI switchers coming to the market and some have been around for a while. My advice it you want to have a good sound and video get an a/v receiver with some dvi or hdmi.

So to break it down you can have the PS3 plugged into the HDMI, and cable/satellite receiver box to the DVI (with an HDMI to DVI cord that is) and have another device that uses HDMI or DVI for the remaining DVI port. Or you could plug everything into an a/v receiver and then into the HDMI on the westinghouse.

Does that answer you question?

Now back to the color and gamut. :p

I am curious to see how this set will compare to the new sony bravias... I mean will the picture quality be night and day or will the westy put up a hell of a fight.

Good question.

I asked a CNET editor and they think the difference in color gamut from 75 to 92 would probably only be noticable when compared side to side...They of course can't say until they have a chance to actually compare sets with a higher color gamut.

That said Sony is coming out with a new engine among other things in their new september lcd's that will probably be a huge difference in SD. I'd say compared to side to side in HD would also be a difference but probably not so much that you'd really notice if they weren't side by side.

I believe with Sony you will get an overall better performing tv but you will pay almost double by the time the Sony's come out considering the drop that the westy 42" had in four months and the amount the 47 will presumably drop in three months.

Thanks,
J

contaygious,

The Westinhouse has one HDMI and two DVI's which are basically HDMI without the sound in the same cable. On the westinghouse both the HDMI and DVI are HDCP so no worries there. So the monitor already has three next gen ports.

You can always buy an HDMI to DVI and vice versa also there are several HDMI switchers coming to the market and some have been around for a while. My advice it you want to have a good sound and video get an a/v receiver with some dvi or hdmi.

So to break it down you can have the PS3 plugged into the HDMI, and cable/satellite receiver box to the DVI (with an HDMI to DVI cord that is) and have another device that uses HDMI or DVI for the remaining DVI port. Or you could plug everything into an a/v receiver and then into the HDMI on the westinghouse.

Does that answer you question?

Now back to the color and gamut. :p

Thanks that is very helpful!

I currently have a gwIII and am wanting an upgrade of the lcd variety. If the westy can't come up with a pic as good as my current tv, then it's out. But your right about price - huge difference. Will have to wait and see.

You also have to remember in stores they have the default settings on the TVs which are made to be out of wack so that they stand out on the shelf. They tend to push certain colors to stand out. You have to compare calibrated sets to really see what the color differences are. Also they tend to have the contrast turned up way too high which causes blotchiness and false edges. It seems kind of silly since most big box retailers that know what they are doing have the sets in a dimmer lit area of the store. They must be aiming for Sears where they have the florescent lights beaming down on them like the rest of the store.

Has anyone else noticed that the specs on Westinghouse's website do not match the panel specs on Chi Mei's site:

http://www.cmo.com.tw/cmo/english/product/showtv.jsp?flag=20040804204008

Has anyone else noticed that the specs on Westinghouse's website do not match the panel specs on Chi Mei's site:

http://www.cmo.com.tw/cmo/english/product/showtv.jsp?flag=20040804204008


Most definitely. I'm curious if they can back up that improved response time figure with facts. Not that they would feel the need to of course.

Not sure why a better response time would be needed. I watched the 42" at Best Buy for like a half hour today and couldn't detect a hint of motion blur. One of the most stable and artifact-free HD images I've ever laid eyes on.

6.5ms won't matter if they can't get panels sourced without banding.

All three of my returned sets of the 42" Westinghouse had varying degree of banding. And yes, the lower res Samsung 4692d had a perfectly uniform image when fed the gray background test patter, so I know that it is possible.

Perhaps Chi Mei need to get better QC peeps...

6.5ms won't matter if they can't get panels sourced without banding.

All three of my returned sets of the 42" Westinghouse had varying degree of banding. And yes, the lower res Samsung 4692d had a perfectly uniform image when fed the gray background test patter, so I know that it is possible.

Perhaps Chi Mei need to get better QC peeps...

You must be one of the unluckiest guy to pick out just the bad apples. I've seen a perfect unit....and only took one try. Anyway, I've got alot of faith on Westinghouse so far. I just hope the SM codes also work on the 47" model so it can be calibrated to spec.

From what's been announced, the release price will be lower than anticipated. It kinda makes sense since it's been already 6 months from the intro in CES and other LCD TV vendors have been also lowering the price on their unit. If wait long enough, the 47" price may hit just around $2k with sales and coupons....

You must be one of the unluckiest guy to pick out just the bad apples. I've seen a perfect unit....and only took one try. Anyway, I've got alot of faith on Westinghouse so far. I just hope the SM codes also work on the 47" model so it can be calibrated to spec.

From what's been announced, the release price will be lower than anticipated. It kinda makes sense since it's been already 6 months from the intro in CES and other LCD TV vendors have been also lowering the price on their unit. If wait long enough, the 47" price may hit just around $2k with sales and coupons....

If that's true, then it's mine. 42" is a beaut. Still, I'm gonna til the other big guys release their stuff. 1080p goodness after the summer, baby!

You must be one of the unluckiest guy to pick out just the bad apples. I've seen a perfect unit....and only took one try. Anyway, I've got alot of faith on Westinghouse so far. I just hope the SM codes also work on the 47" model so it can be calibrated to spec.

From what's been announced, the release price will be lower than anticipated. It kinda makes sense since it's been already 6 months from the intro in CES and other LCD TV vendors have been also lowering the price on their unit. If wait long enough, the 47" price may hit just around $2k with sales and coupons....

Well, living in LA, I probably did get the first batch, but if I get more reports from people with no banding, I will probably give it a try. I have a 5K budget, and the lower that I come in, the happier the mrs will be.

All three sets had banding problems, and I am probably banned from Best Buy for all my Westinghouse returns.

You must be one of the unluckiest guy to pick out just the bad apples. I've seen a perfect unit....and only took one try. Anyway, I've got alot of faith on Westinghouse so far. I just hope the SM codes also work on the 47" model so it can be calibrated to spec.

Where did you get yours? I would love to give it a try there with the 47."

You must be one of the unluckiest guy to pick out just the bad apples. I've seen a perfect unit....and only took one try. Anyway, I've got alot of faith on Westinghouse so far. I just hope the SM codes also work on the 47" model so it can be calibrated to spec.

From what's been announced, the release price will be lower than anticipated. It kinda makes sense since it's been already 6 months from the intro in CES and other LCD TV vendors have been also lowering the price on their unit. If wait long enough, the 47" price may hit just around $2k with sales and coupons....


i also demoed three sets with banding on all of them. i love the westys. if i get banding on the next set "if" all other aspects are perfect i think i'm just going to keep it. after all it is only noticeable in those instances where there are big patches of middle tones especially on bw material.

Where did you get yours? I would love to give it a try there with the 47."

It was picked up via will-call from the BB warehouse near Orange County.

From what's been announced, the release price will be lower than anticipated. It kinda makes sense since it's been already 6 months from the intro in CES and other LCD TV vendors have been also lowering the price on their unit. If wait long enough, the 47" price may hit just around $2k with sales and coupons....


Com'on man stop giving us false hope 2k for the 47"??? The 42" is still well over 2k and if there should be any reason for a price drop it should be now because of the newer model comming out. But on a lighter note I wish what you say will come true 2k for a 47" LCD man I'm getting a boner just thinking about how much money I can save and use on hookers instead of the TV

Com'on man stop giving us false hope 2k for the 47"??? The 42" is still well over 2k

Not true. Check out BB.

that isn't true, best buy has it on sale for 1999 check their website. you have to add it to cart to see the price. this is for the 42w2.

only one store in my area has the 42.
and now at $1999. the 47 has to be around the corner.

plasmahouse com is showing the new 47" Westinghouse in stock at a whopping $4k? That is not the MSRP right? Its like a grand higher I believe...

plasmahouse com is showing the new 47" Westinghouse in stock at a whopping $4k? That is not the MSRP right? Its like a grand higher I believe...

I called plasmahouse to check this since i am thinking about getting the 42 to verify this. Sales guy said they had them in stock, asked him to double check, after 20 seconds on hold, he said they had them in stock and it would for sure ship withing 48 hours, 14 days deliver if free shipping, 3-5 days if I paid for shipping. Did not believe that so, called PC mall they had no date when they would have the 47" in stock.

Called westinghouse spoke with a nice lady who said she worked in tech support and she told me the 47 was in testing, she double checked with some one else and no idea when this tv will ship.

Off topic the nice lady said she never heard of banding or lockups in the 42" or could not confirm firm ware, etc. Statiscally speaking those issues were not a problem to them. Seems to be here though.

First connect with westy was a good experience despite no answer to when the 47 will arrive.

Not sure why a better response time would be needed. I watched the 42" at Best Buy for like a half hour today and couldn't detect a hint of motion blur. One of the most stable and artifact-free HD images I've ever laid eyes on.

I haven't had a chance to put it through my patented ultimate motion blur test yet. ;) Take (1) Super NES and (1) Super Mario World game cartridge, connect to tv in question, and play a level. I have yet to find an LCD tv that controls blurring enough to make this old game playable. I put the Bravia V40XBR1 through this torture test recently. The side scrolling action really shows off motion blur, even to people who may not have noticed it before. It blurred so bad on the 8ms rated Bravia that it made my vision lose focus. I couldn't even track the movement on the screen it was so bad.

I fully intend to put these chi mei panels to this test too just to see if they can do a little better. I think it's a prety good ultimate torture test for motion blur myself. :)

I haven't had a chance to put it through my patented ultimate motion blur test yet. ;) Take (1) Super NES and (1) Super Mario World game cartridge, connect to tv in question, and play a level. I have yet to find an LCD tv that controls blurring enough to make this old game playable. I put the Bravia V40XBR1 through this torture test recently. The side scrolling action really shows off motion blur, even to people who may not have noticed it before. It blurred so bad on the 8ms rated Bravia that it made my vision lose focus. I couldn't even track the movement on the screen it was so bad.

I fully intend to put these chi mei panels to this test too just to see if they can do a little better. I think it's a prety good ultimate torture test for motion blur myself. :)

Well .... that's not something I - or most people - will ever be concerned about. Besides, I'd rather just play those games via Virtual Console on the Wii - 480p too.

Well .... that's not something I - or most people - will ever be concerned about. Besides, I'd rather just play those games via Virtual Console on the Wii - 480p too.

You misunderstand me here. Rather completely I might add. I couldn't care less how playable the game is, the purpose is to provide what I feel is a worst case scenario for how badly an LCD panel will ghost. Of all the material I've seen on LCDs I've never seen anything show ghosting like an old side-scrolling vidoegame, therefore they're a great way to get an idea of how bad ghosting might be in a worst-case scenario on any given tv.

When I try this on the Westy all I want to know is if it's response time can control blurring more or less than the tv I'm comparing it to. They're both 8ms rated, but I suspect the Westy will do better.

LOL that is the most interesting way yet I've heard to test for ghosting and blur, but kudos to for finding an almost sure fire way to see if the panel is up to the task. Let us know if the westinghouse is able to stand up to the mario world test of DOOM.

Does anyone KNOW if the 47" will also have the Faroudja chip in it? has it been confirmed by westinghouse yet?

I was seriously thinking about the 42" model but now that I've found this thread I'm going to wait for the 47". Still using a Sony Wega 36" SDTV for now, which I've been very bhappy with for 4 years.

Does anyone KNOW if the 47" will also have the Faroudja chip in it? has it been confirmed by westinghouse yet?

Genesis chip(s) with Faroudja technologies yes, their web site says: "Additionally, PC and notebooks users can enjoy the same fat pipe and the industry best Genesis Display Perfection® technology."

I went to Best Buy during the infamous sale on the 42" Westinghouse, but despite the nice price drop, after seeing the size of the monitor, (from 9 - 11 ft. away), there was no way I could buy it, (even though I went there expecting to purchase it). My couch is 11 ft. away, and loveseat is about 9 ft. away. I looked at a few other 47" - 50" TV's / monitor's, and they seem like the minimum acceptable size for that viewing distance, (for me at least). I had to stand about 6 ft. away or so from the 42", for optimized viewing. I have heard other opinions on screen size, viewing distance, etc.. So, I guess I'm writing this to recommend that people actually go in store, look at the model they want to buy, and view it from a distance that reflects their home viewing configuration. If you just read reviews, and buy from a website, you may regret it, (as I would have if I had bought it). I'm waiting for the 47" Westinghouse, (and maybe another brand or two in the same price / size range), to become available, and I'm also hoping that Westinghouse will have the banding and power on/off issues resolved with the release of this latest model.

well i went to bb and 42 is not that small actually. it seems a lot smaller when placed next to 50+ tvs but it is fine by itself. i already have a 42 panny in a huge room and i sit about 11 ft away and it's fine for movies, etc. i sit closer for gaming though. I mainly want the 47 because I get the feeling the 42 is being discontinued with all of its issues...

Also, plasmahouse has lied to me before and said the panny was in and ready to ship and 3 weeks later they tell me it's on backorder and they have no idea when it's coming in. I don't believe them when they say the 47 is ready to ship and westy itself says it's not ready haha. anyway if hte 47 is coming in the next couple weeks i'll get it, but I'm not waiting till July....

I went to Best Buy during the infamous sale on the 42" Westinghouse, but despite the nice price drop, after seeing the size of the monitor, (from 9 - 11 ft. away), there was no way I could buy it, (even though I went there expecting to purchase it). My couch is 11 ft. away, and loveseat is about 9 ft. away. I looked at a few other 47" - 50" TV's / monitor's, and they seem like the minimum acceptable size for that viewing distance, (for me at least). I had to stand about 6 ft. away or so from the 42", for optimized viewing. I have heard other opinions on screen size, viewing distance, etc.. So, I guess I'm writing this to recommend that people actually go in store, look at the model they want to buy, and view it from a distance that reflects their home viewing configuration. If you just read reviews, and buy from a website, you may regret it, (as I would have if I had bought it). I'm waiting for the 47" Westinghouse, (and maybe another brand or two in the same price / size range), to become available, and I'm also hoping that Westinghouse will have the banding and power on/off issues resolved with the release of this latest model.

I'm with you. I really, really had to resist the urge to purchase the 42" for the great price when I saw it. I know, however, that I truly want a larger screen than 42" and the 47" version should suffice. Never settle for less than what you truly want. ;)

I'm with you. I really, really had to resist the urge to purchase the 42" for the great price when I saw it. I know, however, that I truly want a larger screen than 42" and the 47" version should suffice. Never settle for less than what you truly want. ;)

That's exactly why I'm waiting. =)

I have an old Samsung HLM617W I got 4 years ago in the living room which is probably going to be overlooked once I get the nice new 47 1080p screen for the bedroom.

I just wish I knew when it will be available =/

I'm with you. I really, really had to resist the urge to purchase the 42" for the great price when I saw it. I know, however, that I truly want a larger screen than 42" and the 47" version should suffice. Never settle for less than what you truly want. ;)

I'm with you. I had my eye on the 42" Westy since I first started looking for my 1st HDTV in Feb. I came close to getting it when I found it on sell in April for about $2100 but then I read about the 47". Since 47" was due in mid summer and 47" and really would be better fit for my living room and viewing distance I have waited. Hopefully with in next month BB will have this unit available.

I couldn't resist the rock bottom price at bb last saturday's sale, I went ahead and bought the 42" but I find myself wishing it was a little bigger since I am using it as a computer monitor, I have to sit close cause it's hard to read at more than 6 feet away, 47" should be just perfect. but I would have to pay twice as much, hmmm I have a few days to decide, since I only got it a week ago, in case I decide to return it, and I found a dead pixel and that bugs me too. although no lock ups and no banding

macmall has the 47" listed at 3,199 wonder if any sellers will sell it at the MSRP, anyways, I will probably wait and see how it looks once it comes out, and wait until it drops a lil before I decide to get it, by that time Samsung and other will have 1080p sets to compare to

I stopped in my local BB today and asked about the 47". Their system showed it theoretically available as of June 12, but no Boston area locations had it in stock, and the system refused to accept a customer order. :( Price was in line with WD's expectation.

I found at least one web site that says that they have it in stock:

[EDIT]

I haven't had a chance to put it through my patented ultimate motion blur test yet. ;) Take (1) Super NES and (1) Super Mario World game cartridge, connect to tv in question, and play a level. I have yet to find an LCD tv that controls blurring enough to make this old game playable. I put the Bravia V40XBR1 through this torture test recently. The side scrolling action really shows off motion blur, even to people who may not have noticed it before. It blurred so bad on the 8ms rated Bravia that it made my vision lose focus. I couldn't even track the movement on the screen it was so bad.

I fully intend to put these chi mei panels to this test too just to see if they can do a little better. I think it's a prety good ultimate torture test for motion blur myself. :)


Well .... that's not something I - or most people - will ever be concerned about. Besides, I'd rather just play those games via Virtual Console on the Wii - 480p too.


Actually, this would be a pretty big deal to me since I think the new fangled video games suck, big time. I have played/beaten this game more then a few handfuls of time and still enjoy it more then most. It does not get boring to me. I really couldn't care any less about any of the new video games, even with HD and all.

please don't edit out where it is in stock mods!!!

we want to know what sites have it! :(

please don't edit out where it is in stock mods!!!

we want to know what sites have it! :(
I've found that if you want to get a good idea who says they carry it and stock it, just froogle the model number.

Not a perfect science, but it worked for me with the LVM-42w2.

ebob

I believe the MSRP of hte 47" is $2999, but rumor has it that it will release at less than that.
So, with the 42" being $1999 at most stores, the extra $500 - $800 or so for the 47" doesn't look too bad.
My plan is to wait until end of Aug. to early Sept. as a number of manufacturers has their new lines being released around the end of summer, so we should see some price drops and good competition by then.
Also, it would be nice to have the new TV in time for the fall lineup, and for the cold weather here in MN, (don't watch much TV during the summer).

Yeah, I'd like for this set to come out as soon as possible so that the price has had time to come down a bit by the Fall. I've definitely gotta pick up a new set before 2007 :D

I heard Westinghouse is making a 56" LCD, does anyone know when this t.v will be available????????
Thanks Tim sc430.

Tim,

I have not heard of a release date for the 56", and the 47", while expected any day now, still does not have an official availability date. It will probably be a few more weeks to months before we have any idea when the 56" will hit the market.
Just my $.02.

J&R has the MSRP at $3,499, (I originally heard $2,999, so I stand corrected from my previous statement), but from what I see of pre-order pricing, Buy daught com has it for $3,098.99.
If that is pre-order pricing, then my original guess of true street pricing of $2,500 to $2,800 shortly after its release shouldn't be far off.
The number retailers that have been listing this product has also been steadily increasing over the past couple of days too, (hopefully bodes well for those of us patiently, or not so patiently, waiting).

The westinghouse 42 and 47 only has 1 HDMI input? Why would you only want one input? However, the 47 is suppose to have 6.5ms response time which is better than the usual 8ms.

J791,
Well, I think everyone would prefer to have 2 or 3 HDMI connections, but... The 47" does have 4 HD connections that support up to 1080p, and 2 more that support up to 1080i:

1 HDMI(R)-HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

2 DVI -HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

1 VGA/D-Sub/
RGB + Audio mini jack 480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

2 YPbPr Component Video
+ L/R Audio 480i/p, 720p, 1080i

Also, you can purchase a HDMI switcher / box that will accept multiple HDMI connections that plug into your one HDMI on the TV / Monitor. You then just switch between sources. (Switchers do cost a pretty penny though).

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the help.

The Olevia 47" 1080p LCD (747i) will have 2 HDMI inputs and 3 Component inputs. It also has HQV processing. It may be the one to beat.

Does anyone know if the W3 has descrete IR codes?

The 2 DVI inputs are 1080p capable, so if you have more than one device with HDMI output, just pick up an HDMI to DVI adapter. I do think it would have been smarter to go with 2 HDMI and 1 DVI though.

$2,500 within a couple months would be nice :)

The Olevia 47" 1080p LCD (747i) will have 2 HDMI inputs and 3 Component inputs. It also has HQV processing. It may be the one to beat.

Does anyone know if the W3 has descrete IR codes?

Will is still have that terrible glossy black finish?

The Olevia 47" 1080p LCD (747i) will have 2 HDMI inputs and 3 Component inputs. It also has HQV processing. It may be the one to beat.

Does anyone know if the W3 has descrete IR codes?

It's also going to be quite a bit more expensive.

I just searched for this TV on pricegrabber and there appear to be 4 online retailers that have this TV in stock.

Someone should get one... and tell us how it is.

Personally, until July 23, I'll be waiting at least until then.

prices seem high. Wonder if those are "pre-order" prices??? Was thinking this was < 3k type price point when it actually hit street.

They seem to be the more reputable online retailers in terms of whether something is actually in stock when they say it is.

Their site right now says ships within 1-2 days and that remaining quantities are limited.

Surely someone will volunteer to be the guinea pig on our collective behalf soon??? ( i was guinea pig with westy 37w3 a few months back!).

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Surely someone will volunteer to be the guinea pig on our collective behalf soon??? ( I was guinea pig with westy 37w3 a few months back!
They are defiantly floating around. I do have to say that I am personally amazed that Westinghouse, not a company quite established as the other big names out there, is leading a revolution in 1080P. They are the only manufacturer at this time that has a 37" and a 42" with true 1080P. Now of course they come out with a 47". Westinghouse is on the move !!

Radarcity has the 47" Westinghouse listed at [EDIT] for pre-order pricing.
I hope that is not a typo and that we can expect pricing around that range or lower when it actually becomes available.
Westinghouse has NOT released this product to market as far as I know, (even their website says "coming soon".
Any vendor that says "shipping in x days" is trying to lure you into ordering, then make you wait until it actually becomes available.

How reputable is radarcity?

Westinghouse has NOT released this product to market as far as I know, (even their website says "coming soon". Any vendor that says "shipping in x days" is trying to lure you into ordering, then make you wait until it actually becomes available.
I am sorry to say but this statment is NOT ture. These units are out.

I just got off the phone with Westinghouse.
Here is a # you can call, 1 (866) 287-5555, (customer support).
The 47" LVM-47w1 is still in preproduction as of today, June 26th, @ 14:04.
There is no estimated release date for the product.
The 2 gentlemen I spoke with, (called twice to make sure), said the 47" models have not shipped, so any vendor claiming to have them in stock are not being truthful.
I personally don't care if they are in stock right now or not, (as I won't buy until the end of Aug. or early Sept.), but wanted to make sure that information being presented here has some sort of basis in fact, (such as direct word from the manufacturer or store that can actually show you the item).
Anyway, I still look forward to seeing how this model performs, and how they compare to other manufacturers models between now and Sept.

Cheers.

Well they are out, I assure you. I would not mislead anyone, I have a reputation at stake.

Ok,are they out or not guys.....................? :confused:

Chris - I see that CP has these in stock. Have you taken a test drive? If so could you give us some impressions?

Thanks

of the page to the westy at cleveland plasma. It says in stock.

Looks like it is out. May be Westinghouse releases them to dealers before the official release date. Anyway I plan to wait till I can see it and the price drops below 3k, which I am sure will happen soon if 42" is anything to go by.

Chris - I see that CP has these in stock. Have you taken a test drive? If so could you give us some impressions?
Thanks
No test drive as of yet. Once inventory is high I may pop one open.

No test drive as of yet. Once inventory is high I may pop one open.

So you can confirm that the set has shipped? Have you actually seen one in the box?

I just got email notification from J&R that the 47w1 is "in stock, or coming in very shortly", and their web site no longer says pre-order.

Errmm, that's not the price I was expecting to see :D I was thinking somewhere between that and radarcity to start off with, then level out at $2500 by Thanksgiving.

Folks: retail links, price talk are not allowed. If you have a question related to pricing, contact the vendor, do not post the request here.

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thanks all

J&R shows these units in stock and ready to ship as well.

I'm also waiting for the price drop to 2500 for a personal purchase. Shouldn't take too long with the competition comming out with similar models.

My squadron is about to buy 3 of these this week for our schedulers to display wx radar, schedules etc. Most of the USAF uses 40-50" plasmas but we wanted something with a bit higher rez and no burn in problems.

3 years ago the USAF purchased thousands of plasmas and every time I fly to another base I notice the horrible burn in on 90% of them since they never rotated the image or took care of them. A shame really =/

I'll be able to play with the 47" a bit since I'm the one who gets to open them and set them up with the computer. I can't wait =) Hopefully the red tape isn't too long.

ordered it, should be here in a couple of days, will try to give some info. Will take requests for specific insights.

MB1010

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I received an email this morning from customer support, that the 47" Westinghouse is now shipping to retailers.. prices, seem to vary widely still at this point, but at least it is available.. :)

Hopefully BB gets the 47 and the lock-up/banding issues have been addressed. Not optimistic about the banding.....

Since we can't talk about pricing or websites, and although most people are familiar enough with "deal" searching, I thought I would quick post a couple of ways I find best pricing for a product, and how I follow up on the reputation of the vendor offering that price:

Use Froogle or Yahoo, (shopping), enter the model # of the product you want, (LVM-47w1).
Then perform a sort by price on the results.
Once you find the lowest prices, compare shipping costs related to the product you want, (this part varies widely and obviously affects bottom line / total cost).

Once you have the top 2 or 3 vendors, (for best overall price), then go to resellerratings daught com, and check on the vendors track record for service, returns, etc.

Other helpful websites are pricewatch, techbargains, and dealnews.

Hope this helps, and hopefully doesn't break any posting rules... ;)

Hopefully BB gets the 47 and the lock-up/banding issues have been addressed. Not optimistic about the banding.....

It will probably be the same. Although, owners in the eyeFi thread (same panel) made little to no mention of backlight problems such as banding (I still hate calling it that btw). :) Just one person I believe, though they didn't get into looking for it like the people in the Westinghouse threads have.

edit: the lockups, however, will be addressed like you are hoping. The new 19 series firmware will be on the 47" models out of the gate to fix this.

ordered it, should be here in a couple of days, will try to give some info. Will take requests for specific insights.

MB1010

snip.... sorry


Awesome!!! I'm pumped somebody on here has order this set and will tell us about it.

What are you going to be testing it against?

Here are my requests.

1. Off air HD broadcasts at 1080i (check for ghosting vs 720p).
2. Xbox 360 performance at both 1080i and 720p (though not all games support both natively, some games like Perfect Dark 0 only do 720p and scale to 1080i)
3. 1080p performace with a PC (or samsungs Blu-Ray player... but I won't hope you have one of those).
4. Playstation 2 performance when using both 480i games and 480p games over component inputs.
5. Legacy video game console performance using composite inputs (see how bad the blur is when playing Super Mario Bros. on an old Nintendo system).
6. 480p DVD.
7. Whatever other reference material you have or can think of to try!!


That's my dream wishlist... of course, I don't expect you to be able to test all those cases.

I stopped in BB again tonight. The 47w1 is still in their system, but still none available anywhere, and still can't place an order for one.

so bestbuy stores are currently showing the item in their computer but, they are not stocking it? Hmm someone show ask them when something like that happens, how long after does the product become available. I think maybe the more senior crews would have an idea. Thoth, maybe you should find out. My BB doesn't show anything.

My BB doesn't show anything.

I think it doesn't show up in the listing they usually do (like searching for Westinghouse and 47), because it isn't available for sale yet. The way to get it to come up is to have them enter the exact model number in. (The guys I was getting to help me were surprised by this.) There was nothing in the info the system displayed that gave a clue as to expected availability.

ordered it, should be here in a couple of days, will try to give some info. Will take requests for specific insights.

MB1010

snip.... sorry


Great!!


If you have a Xbox 360 I would love to hear how it looks?

Awesome!!! I'm pumped somebody on here has order this set and will tell us about it.

What are you going to be testing it against?

Here are my requests.

1. Off air HD broadcasts at 1080i (check for ghosting vs 720p).
2. Xbox 360 performance at both 1080i and 720p (though not all games support both natively, some games like Perfect Dark 0 only do 720p and scale to 1080i)
3. 1080p performace with a PC (or samsungs Blu-Ray player... but I won't hope you have one of those).
4. Playstation 2 performance when using both 480i games and 480p games over component inputs.
5. Legacy video game console performance using composite inputs (see how bad the blur is when playing Super Mario Bros. on an old Nintendo system).
6. 480p DVD.
7. Whatever other reference material you have or can think of to try!!


That's my dream wishlist... of course, I don't expect you to be able to test all those cases.

Don't hold back, give me something to go on here.... ;)

I do have an xbox 360 and original xbox to test gaming with. I also have off the air with my MCE2005 and with a HR10-250. IO-Data AVELink Player for upconverted DVD content. So I will throw all of my HD goodness at it and see what sticks.

I cant wait to get the feedback from you guys. I have been waiting for this set for a while.

please take shots of xbox 360 as well as HD chanls, if you can. tnx.

Is the menu still the same as the westy 42 ?

This is the only Westy I'd buy right now cause it should ship with the updated firmware.

This is the only Westy I'd buy right now cause it should ship with the updated firmware.


Hm, sounds like a reference to the 42 westy. I seem to remember this discussion from the 42 thread but I don't feel like digging through it again. Would you elaborate for the rest of us. Is this in relation to the banding problem?

Crutchfield has plenty of the LVM-47w1 in stock. It's on their website.

Steve (at Crutchfield)

Hm, sounds like a reference to the 42 westy. I seem to remember this discussion from the 42 thread but I don't feel like digging through it again. Would you elaborate for the rest of us. Is this in relation to the banding problem?

It's in relation to the lockup problem, which was recently resolved. The "banding" that everybody cries about is a "problem" that has arisen from the flock of new buyers after the tv who simply aren't educated about the shortcomings of LCD technology; one of which is the potential for uneven backlighting.

Crutchfield has plenty of the LVM-47w1 in stock. It's on their website.

Steve (at Crutchfield)


Nice.... As expected, MSRP is $2999. I just need the street price with some coupons or special sales event to bring one home.

Buy dot com screws the order up, i'm placed on backorder, and the price mysteriously drops 100 bucks. I caned the order, and will try to find a local retailer in Los Angeles who can help a paying customer part with their hard plastic. I have already sold my current monster SXRD 60" and the new owner picks it up on Thursday.

sigh

mb1010

Hm, sounds like a reference to the 42 westy. I seem to remember this discussion from the 42 thread but I don't feel like digging through it again. Would you elaborate for the rest of us. Is this in relation to the banding problem?

No, the rampant lock-up issues.

No, the rampant lock-up issues.

I thought this problem was solved with new firmware which all 47" will be released with. At least, that what PeterS said while back.

I found the following post inside of this thread about monitor lag... photos not included but are still in the thread. The photos show the LCD lagging behind the CRT.

episteme arstechnica com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=67909965&m=4190936913&r=796009877731#796009877731

>> I did the clock test at mentioned in the widescreengaming thread and got the same results.

>> Graphics card is a 6800GT using 83.40 drivers. I took a photo using my Canon G1 at 1/100 exposure. The CRT is connected via d-sub and the 2405 via DVI. Both were running at 1600x1200 @ 60Hz. The 2405 is set as primary.

>> The LCD is 30-40ms behind the CRT. It's totally unacceptable for online gaming if you are even bordering on good. I play with a 20-30 ping on UK servers and it's a different game to a 100 ping.

Would anyone who gets their computer setup find out for me if this monitor has this monitor lag issue. You need to set a crt side by side with the lcd and run a stopwatch program and take a photo of it.... yes a PITA but we all need to know this for our FPS heaven or hell :)

I am thinking of going crazy and buying this instead of the 23" HP monitor, maybe finally I could combine both computer display and main entertainment center...

Thanks everyone who posts anything about their tests in advance.

Note The HP L2335 uses the SIPS panel and doesn't show this mouse lag problem.

J791,
Well, I think everyone would prefer to have 2 or 3 HDMI connections, but... The 47" does have 4 HD connections that support up to 1080p, and 2 more that support up to 1080i:

1 HDMI(R)-HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

2 DVI -HDCP + L/R Audio
480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

1 VGA/D-Sub/
RGB + Audio mini jack 480i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

2 YPbPr Component Video
+ L/R Audio 480i/p, 720p, 1080i

Also, you can purchase a HDMI switcher / box that will accept multiple HDMI connections that plug into your one HDMI on the TV / Monitor. You then just switch between sources. (Switchers do cost a pretty penny though).

Hope this helps.

I think I read a review somewhere that the LVM-42W2 does 1080p over component, even though it's not officially mentioned in the documents. It would be great if the 47" version does the same thing.

Crutchfield has plenty of the LVM-47w1 in stock.

Excellent, I couldn't stand waiting for BB, and just now ordered one. :) (Thirty seconds after placing the order, Crutchfield called me on the phone!)

Excellent, I couldn't stand waiting for BB, and just now ordered one. :) (Thirty seconds after placing the order, Crutchfield called me on the phone!)

Me too, it will be next week before it arrives.

mb1010

I found the following post inside of this thread about monitor lag... photos not included but are still in the thread. The photos show the LCD lagging behind the CRT.

episteme arstechnica com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=67909965&m=4190936913&r=796009877731#796009877731

>> I did the clock test at mentioned in the widescreengaming thread and got the same results.

>> Graphics card is a 6800GT using 83.40 drivers. I took a photo using my Canon G1 at 1/100 exposure. The CRT is connected via d-sub and the 2405 via DVI. Both were running at 1600x1200 @ 60Hz. The 2405 is set as primary.

>> The LCD is 30-40ms behind the CRT. It's totally unacceptable for online gaming if you are even bordering on good. I play with a 20-30 ping on UK servers and it's a different game to a 100 ping.

Would anyone who gets their computer setup find out for me if this monitor has this monitor lag issue. You need to set a crt side by side with the lcd and run a stopwatch program and take a photo of it.... yes a PITA but we all need to know this for our FPS heaven or hell :)

I am thinking of going crazy and buying this instead of the 23" HP monitor, maybe finally I could combine both computer display and main entertainment center...

Thanks everyone who posts anything about their tests in advance.

Note The HP L2335 uses the SIPS panel and doesn't show this mouse lag problem.


what specific monitor would this be????

I thought this problem was solved with new firmware which all 47" will be released with. At least, that what PeterS said while back.

Yeah, that's what I said above. I was just unsure about the 42inchers .... are the ones being sold in stores now updated?

Buy dot com screws the order up, i'm placed on backorder, and the price mysteriously drops 100 bucks. I caned the order, and will try to find a local retailer in Los Angeles who can help a paying customer part with their hard plastic. I have already sold my current monster SXRD 60" and the new owner picks it up on Thursday.

sigh

mb1010

Just curious... why are you selling your 60" SXRD for a 47" flatpanel?

New to this forum.

I just bought this LCD monitor from Buycom before they reduce the price ($100 cheaper now but in backorder). Yesterday (06/28), I just got an email to confirm that the monitor was shipped but via UPS ground. Probably, I will receive early next week. Hopefully in good condition. I decided to buy this monitor because of its resolution (1080p), price (pretty cheap compared to competitors), and its size (replace my 42" panasonic 480 res. plasma). I wanted to try HD broadcast and interested in the new DVD formats.

I have to upgrade my entire system though. I ordered new A/V receiver: Denon 2807. I read good review about its HDMI capabilities. For the DVD player, I am still not sure which one: go with HD DVD (Toshiba HD-A1, half price of the blu-ray), or blu-ray (Samsung, $999, I love the fifth element movie!). I got wait for the PSP3 with blu-ray drive but still not sure about the release date. I think I will go to a best buy store and buy it just to test the quality with my new monitor. Once I get my system setup, I will report about it on this forum.

what specific monitor would this be????

From what I can tell any monitor with a PVA screen that is high resolution. The exact monitor they were discussing is the Dell 24" LCD but you can find the same problem with the 30". There are quite a few threads out there talking about the issue. Since LG Phillips uses S-IPS supposedly they do not suffer from this monitor lag. The other way people test this is to move a window up and down while spanning it across both monitors. There is a short movie of that some where also. Sorry I don't have links...

I am interested in the LVM-47w1 since I would not need to replace it for a long time and for playing first person shooters. Having that extra delay would be bad for me. Some people do not notice it but the camera stopwatch test proves it is there and it has been reproduced by others.

I have been trying to find out what kind of screen is the LVM-47w1?

I have been trying to find out what kind of screen is the LVM-47w1?

I believe this is the panel in the Westy 47 (even though the specs are different):

http://www.cmo.com.tw/cmo/english/product/showtv.jsp?flag=20040804204008

Just curious... why are you selling your 60" SXRD for a 47" flatpanel?

Wife gave the 60" TV 6 months, but finally couldn't take it overwelming our living room. It's literally the first thing you see when you enter our house and she was getting tired of the "Couldn't find a bigger TV?" comments from friends. And to be honest when I purchased it and the delivery guys set it up I actually uttered the words " uh....this might be too big".

So she very kindly asked a couple of weeks ago if i could research a TV that I could be happy with in the 45"-50" range.

I would like to say that is why we have managed to stay married for 15 years.... give and take. Some may say whipped, but she never got upset about it, she just said "I'll give it 6 months if I still don't like it can we change?"...and I agreed.

The Sony is a fine screen, and i do enjoy it, but I also enjoy my marriage ;)

Now all that being said... The Sony always bugged me as far as the "elephant ears" speakers on the set. I belive if Sony had not put such HUGE speakers on it she would have been happy with the 60" of screen. That is also the reason I'm not going to go with the 50" SXRD, too much speaker that I don't even use. The Westinghouse design couldn't be more clean and simple. Big points for that, and the fact that it will actually TAKE a 1080p signal is HUGE plus for me. I use the set with a HTPC and the sony's overscan is pretty sizable and I don't like down rezing to compensate for it. BlaBlaBla... long answer to such a short question.

mb1010

I read in the 42" Westy forum that nobody's set can recieve 1080p over HDMI, does anybody know if the 47" will accept it? With PS3 and BLU-RAY, I would consider it a deal breaker if it can't. What is so hard about 1080p & HDMI? It seems that nobody can figure out how to implement it properly!

"I read in the 42" Westy forum that nobody's set can recieve 1080p over HDMI,"

People can it just seems to be picky, current suggestion is to make sure you are using a dual link HDMI cable.

"I read in the 42" Westy forum that nobody's set can recieve 1080p over HDMI,"

People can it just seems to be picky, current suggestion is to make sure you are using a dual link HDMI cable.


You mean the current SamSung units with 1080p output is problematic via HDMI, right. However, Sammy is also problematic with other 1080p panels as well..... perhaps the problem is Sammy, not Westy?

From what I can tell any monitor with a PVA screen that is high resolution. The exact monitor they were discussing is the Dell 24" LCD but you can find the same problem with the 30". There are quite a few threads out there talking about the issue. Since LG Phillips uses S-IPS supposedly they do not suffer from this monitor lag. The other way people test this is to move a window up and down while spanning it across both monitors. There is a short movie of that some where also. Sorry I don't have links...

I am interested in the LVM-47w1 since I would not need to replace it for a long time and for playing first person shooters. Having that extra delay would be bad for me. Some people do not notice it but the camera stopwatch test proves it is there and it has been reproduced by others.

I have been trying to find out what kind of screen is the LVM-47w1?

The lag he is describing is associated with the electronics of the unit and shouldn't have anything to do with the LCD panel itself. The scaler often introduces a delay of as much as a 1/4 of a second because of the large amount of processing it is doing to the video signal. This is where the lip sync issues originally came from. It varies depending upon the electronics in the unit, but what type of LCD panel technology is used isn't part of this particular issue. Samsung's PVA and the MVA panel that CMO uses in this westingouse are very similar technologies btw. They only refer to different methods of aligning/orienting the liquid crystals in the panel. Though they may vary slightly in realword response time ratings, they are all very ballpark in that respect and all share the same univerasl 60hz refresh.

Does the 47" have HDMI v.1.3?

From what I can tell any monitor with a PVA screen that is high resolution. The exact monitor they were discussing is the Dell 24" LCD but you can find the same problem with the 30". There are quite a few threads out there talking about the issue. Since LG Phillips uses S-IPS supposedly they do not suffer from this monitor lag. The other way people test this is to move a window up and down while spanning it across both monitors. There is a short movie of that some where also. Sorry I don't have links...

I am interested in the LVM-47w1 since I would not need to replace it for a long time and for playing first person shooters. Having that extra delay would be bad for me. Some people do not notice it but the camera stopwatch test proves it is there and it has been reproduced by others.

I have been trying to find out what kind of screen is the LVM-47w1?

The cause is not panel technology such as pva or ips but instead is based on the digital signal processing done on the image when it is recieved by the monitor. Specifically effected panels are the dell 2405 and samsung 244t (samsung being the worst).

Big Panels that are not effected: dell 3007, westy 37w3, dell 2407

It seems newer panels have recieved faster DSPs and are better able to keep up since this issue seems to be disappearing. And above you stated the dell 30 inch has lag when in fact there are several tests and screen shots that show very little to no lag on the 3007.

I have owned a 2405, 244t and a 37w3 and tested them personally, so I can vouch 100% on the performance of those displays:
dell 2405: usable but has some lag @ 40-50ms
samsung 244t: garbage, not usable @ 60-70ms
westy 37w3: no lag noticable @ 10-20ms

Big Panels that are not effected: dell 3007, westy 37w3, dell 2407


Oh thank you very much, I wonder how good the westy 47w1 will be? Sorry for the misinformation about the dell 30". I will try to keep my facts straight.

Do you plan on getting the 47? Since I plan to play quake 4 it will have to scale the image... from 1600x... to 1900x... I hope the scaler/dsp is very fast :)

I plan on getting the nvidia 7950 and if that is not enough get a sli motherboard and run dual 7950. Now that you say the 37w3 is good I will consider that one also...

Time to go buy lottery tickets :)

did anyone test the westy 47'

did anyone test the westy 47'

Better yet...has anyone even seen one yet?

The BB's in my area say there are no plans to display the 47" Westys in-store. According to the store managers, the set can be special ordered for $3K but there is currently no stock available so special orders cannot be accepted. I assume that $3K is the List Price and thus there is no problem in posting it here.

Better yet...has anyone even seen one yet?


The westinghousedigital website has changed the status from comming soon!

Yes!!! it shows available at crutchfield. I'm going to hold out for this set instead of the 42". I have a manager @ my local BB who is owing me big time due to 2 screws up on their part. Maybe he will give me a discount on this instead of the 42" which is no longer instock here in So Cal. Happy Days Are Here Again. Gives me plenty of time to save up!!!!!!

Does the 47" have HDMI v.1.3?

No, and AFAIK there'd be no benefit to it, as the display wouldn't support any of the new 1.3 features anyway.

No, and AFAIK there'd be no benefit to it, as the display wouldn't support any of the new 1.3 features anyway.

By that do you mean the 36 and 48 bit color?

By that do you mean the 36 and 48 bit color?

The deep color, the lossless audio formats, the higher bandwidth.

Oh, do you know if the "deep color" is a major upgrade or not, I really couldn't find anything out about it?

Who cares about audio on a TV. It should go to a stereo!! I don't think there will be any TVs that have 1.3 untill early 2007. Even if there is no source will utilize it for a long time. Blu Ray and HD-DVD can’t even get video right let alone audio!

Oh, do you know if the "deep color" is a major upgrade or not, I really couldn't find anything out about it?

Deep (30, 36, or 48-bit) color is a major upgrade if your source can generate it and your video processor can maintain it and your display can reproduce it. You can get info about HDMI 1.3 at hdmi.org.

Who cares about audio on a TV. It should go to a stereo!! I don't think there will be any TVs that have 1.3 untill early 2007. Even if there is no source will utilize it for a long time. Blu Ray and HD-DVD can’t even get video right let alone audio!


I could care less about audio, who mentioned anything about it? I was asking about the video aspects of HDMI v1.3. Read before responding :rolleyes:

I could care less about audio, who mentioned anything about it? I was asking about the video aspects of HDMI v1.3. Read before responding :rolleyes:


..I did read it...I just did not take the time to explain why I mentioned it (my Call of Duty game was starting :o ). I just jumped the gun because I knew someone was going to mention audio soon. I assumed people know about the audio formats of HDMI 1.1 vs HDMI 1.3.


Anyway I would be happy if one company could at least utilize HDMI 1.1 (Blu Ray/HD-DVD). Lets face it all current sources come up very short from what they could be capable of. I just don’t seen HDMI 1.1 as the bottle neck it is made out to be.

did anyone test the westy 47'

The specs on the manu page says that it supports 1080I using the component inputs but the user manual ( which is for the 42 and 47") says 1080P with component inputs. I'm curious as to which applies to the 47" as my HD cable box ( SA 3250HD from Charter) does not have HDMI output . The box does have a DVI connedtor on it but I don't know if it's functional as I do not have an HDTV yet.
Don't know if I can post the manu. link but here it is:
http://www.westinghousedigital.com/pc-59-7-47-1080p-monitor.aspx

the manual is available from the downloads link.

Does anyone actually have this set yet? I'm trying to decide between it and the 42" version or spend more and get another 1080p set later. There seems to be a lot of concern about the 42" and 1080p input compatibility, wondering whether this set has the same "problem."

Not sure whether I need this big either, couch sits probably 7 feet from TV probably.

I purchased the 42"er 26 days ago, despite the HT mgr taking me in the back and pointing out all the returns (mostly for dead or stuck pixels). I was definitely torn, because the floor display was gorgeous. He gave me the rap about the 30 days, i'll work with you for the first year with the extndd warr., so I caved and bit the bullet.

Got the set home and I was dazzled. You really do watch HD content simply because it looks great (not because it has substance). The HDMI connection from my Comcast Moto DVR was flawless with HD...SD is soft and muddy ( but so what, I have all of my local channels in HD too). So I'm watching Entourage on HBOHD, and I noticed a little green spec on the right side of the screen. I'm sitting almost 10' away and it's just taunting me. So now I decide to waste an hour and a half of my life with the weak Excorcism of Emily Rose...very dark overall cimematography, but my little green friend provides a never ending distraction. When the picture is light, you don't see it, but once the scene is medium to dark, there it is. Upon closer inspection, a few more subtle blue and greyish pixels appear stuck. This is truely disappointing as I love the set. But tonight it goes back from whence it came. I will upgrade to the 47"er because I can't justify spending this kind of money and have flaws appear 3 day into ownership.

The last thing I would ask the group is this: what is the likelihood of more pixels going bad, and is there a way to properly "break-in" the unit to possibly avoid this issue in the future?

All the best.

Onward and upward to 47".

David

Don't give up on your 42'' yet. Try this:

http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Stuck-Pixel-on-an-LCD-Monitor

-Jim

I've used that trick with LCD computer monitors and it worked for me. I've read that you should run the panel with a full white screen (probably take a PC to generate that) for 24-48 hours at full brightness and contrast to help as well. Again it's worked for me with stuck pixels on my 21" dell monitors.

So, has anyone brought this bad boy home, yet? It's been fews days since crutchfield started shipping, right?

I ordered one yesterday from Crutchfield, guess should get it by end of next week.

I've been following the chatter about the 42" Westinghouse for a while. Also have a 42" and 50" Panasonic 8uk for client monitoring at our studio where we do professional HD color grading and digital intermediates. Some of our clients are New Line Cinema, Fox, Discovery, Universal, Lion's Gate, so we're exceptionally picky about colorimetry characteristics. To compare anything to the Panasonic Plasmas is sensible--although a different picture distribution medium altogether--considering the professional level of control over picture quality and the picture quality itself.

After months of handwringing research, we decided on the 47" model versus a 50" plasma of lesser cost and better viewing angle, because of the multiplicity of inputs, true 1080i/p, energy consumption, heat index, total weight, scaling support electronics, and the willingness of Westinghouse to support serial returns if there are defects. Although I'm not sanguine about ordering a 3+ meter delicate panel 2500 miles away from Hollywood, I went with Crutchfield based upon their reputation, level of customer support, return policy and the fact they had these in numbers.

There are a number of tests we perform on monitors to keep them up to calibration. When we get it I'll let you know what we think.

I've been following the chatter about the 42" Westinghouse for a while. Also have a 42" and 50" Panasonic 8uk for client monitoring at our studio where we do professional HD color grading and digital intermediates. Some of our clients are New Line Cinema, Fox, Discovery, Universal, Lion's Gate, so we're exceptionally picky about colorimetry characteristics. To compare anything to the Panasonic Plasmas is sensible--although a picture distribution medium altogether--considering the professional level of control over picture quality and the picture quality itself.

After months of handwringing research, we decided on the 47" model versus a 50" plasma of lesser cost and better viewing angle, because of the multiplicity of inputs, true 1080i/p, energy consumption, heat index, total weight, scaling support electronics, and the willingness of Westinghouse to support serial returns if there are defects. Although I'm not sanguine about ordering a 3+ meter delicate panel 2500 miles away from Hollywood, I went with Crutchfield based upon their reputation, level of customer support, return policy and the fact they had these in numbers.

There are a number of tests we perform on monitors to keep them up to calibration. When we get it I'll let you know what we think.


Reassuring to know that I am getting something that the pros are getting. :D

[EDIT] Coupled with the fact that there don't appear to be any exclusive hands-on previews of this puppy anywhere, I've got to suspect that the unit is riddled with serious problems. Major bummer if that's true :-(

Can't wait to read the reviews from the folks on this forum...

I think that's making a pretty big assumption. I just looks like J&R is keeping the pricing in line with the 37w3 and 42w2 models. Let's wait till either people start getting their units or reviews come out to say there are problems.

Mine's scheduled for delivery Wed AM. Can't wait...

I think that is now the street price. I'm pretty sure BB will price it around there once in stock. Now the question is, should I wait little longer for additional $300 to $400 off, or just get one at that price and hope to get price mathed at later time.
If this turns out to be near the price BB offers, I highly doubt there will be any large reductions for a long time....how much lower could a 47" 1080p go for? There might be an occassional 10% off tv's sale, maybe 15% for Thanksgiving, but I just can't see much more than that. [EDIT]
I'm gonna wait to read a few first hand reviews, but I'm not expecting many issues now that lock ups have been solved. There isn't really much comparable out there anyway aside from the 46" 1080p Samsung about to come out. Seems the 1080p Samsungs are having their own issues as well though, so I don't see many reasons for me to take my sites off the Westinghouse.

Mine's scheduled for delivery Wed AM. Can't wait...
From J&R? Mine is still "Processing." :rolleyes:

Edit: Ahh, nevermind. I see you bought from Crutchfield.

The 47" 1080p Westy is intriguing, however, I'm not going to buy one sight unseen. I've read here that BB will not be showing them, so, any suggestions where I could view one in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area - probably nowhere yet, but, will someone have them on display soon?

Well a lot of the info we've gotten from BB has proven to be wrong :) so I'd imagine there is a pretty good chance of them putting the 47" on display.

my guess is that this model will be exactly as the 42" but with the new firmware 1.19. and it being 47"

I live in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area, and to view one of the 42" versions of the Westinghouse line, I had to travel to a particular store, (Burnsville), to be able to see it on display. None of the other BB's in my part of the cities were displaying the larger of the two then available models.
My guess is they will probably do something similar with the 47" model.
I had to ask a couple of sales people in the Apple Valley store before I found one who knew where I could see a 42" model on display.

I would call and find out. If not. Cancel ASAP

So J&R doesn't have 30 day return policy? Given the history of the quality issues with 42" I don't want to risk getting this TV without one.

Please stop the price matching/who has best deals discussion.

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thanks

I think I know the answer to this, but let me ask it anyway:

Right now I'm modulating an SD signal through a whole house video distribution system over RF cable. That is to say I've got 3 DirecTivos in my A/V rack in the basement that are each being sent out on a different "channel" and controlled by IR repeaters back to the rack.

with any of the westi displays since they don't have a tuner I'd have to have a VCR or something to tune that sort of signal into it. Now I understand the picture will be relatively poor, but I've lived with it so far on my 32" sony tube. However, my main concern is that there isn't any way to do any stretching with this set.

Eventually I plan Series 3 HD Tivo units, but for now I'm stuck with the tivo system as we have different Tivos recording different shows for the kids vs. us.

I guess in my case i need a set with more processsing. Problem is I can't find hardly anything out that is 40+" and 1080p ;(

Please stop the price matching/who has best deals discussion.

Apologies for contributing to that. However, my point was that I was very surprised to see significant discounting on the LVM47 before it even hit the street.

Now I'm reading that there's a 46-inch 1080p Samsung on the way, and that could be part of the explanation.

I'm used to seeing companies soak early adopters (think PS3) so I'm still thinking that this is a bad sign, but trying to stay positive.

However, my main concern is that there isn't any way to do any stretching with this set.

The LVM42 has two selectable modes ("fill screen" and "preserve aspect ratio") and I would assume that the LVM47 does too.

Apologies for contributing to that. However, my point was that I was very surprised to see significant discounting on the LVM47 before it even hit the street.

Now I'm reading that there's a 46-inch 1080p Samsung on the way, and that could be part of the explanation.

I'm used to seeing companies soak early adopters (think PS3) so I'm still thinking that this is a bad sign, but trying to stay positive.

Nah, Westinghouse has always positioned itself as being more affordable than the rest of the competition - i doubt it has anything to do with the actual quality of the set.

1) with any of the westi displays since they don't have a tuner I'd have to have a VCR or something to tune that sort of signal into it. Now I understand the picture will be relatively poor...

2)Problem is I can't find hardly anything out that is 40+" and 1080p ;(

1) I'm only watching OTA (no cable) and all the local stations are broadcasting DTV versions of their full schedule, while it won't fill the screen, it looks distinctly better than the analog broadcast. Am using a Sony HHD-250 HD-DVR and am very happy with it and it provides plenty of picture format control.

2) In September you'll have 6 more choices - Sony will be offering native 1920x1080 LCD's in 40" and 46" in three models each - XBR3, XBR2, & V2500 (all include tuners). While Sony Style doesn't list prices for these yet, we may be pleasantly surprised as the SXRD crowd seems to be with Sony's list on the 2006 models of these RP units. - I'm sure other manufacturers (like Samsung who's already been mentioned) will have 40"+ 1080p units available soon too.

It says on the company web site (which I confirmed today by calling customer service) that the 47" (not the 42") one year parts/labor warranty includes free in home service calls. They also told me the set is just now becoming available. Seeing an in-store demo may be a real problem. With the 42", I could only find one Best Buy outlet in the Los Angeles area that had it in stock, and they told me there was no demo model on the floor. So I'm looking forward to reax from early purchasers, with great interest. Hoping to buy the 47" in a few months.

It says on the company web site (which I confirmed today by calling customer service) that the 47" (not the 42") one year parts/labor warranty includes free in home service calls. They also told me the set is just now becoming available. Seeing an in-store demo may be a real problem. With the 42", I could only find one Best Buy outlet in the Los Angeles area that had it in stock, and they told me there was no demo model on the floor. So I'm looking forward to reax from early purchasers, with great interest. Hoping to buy the 47" in a few months.
Yep! This is great news!!!

From http://westinghousedigital.com/t-Warranty-1080pMonitors_46above.aspx

Westinghouse 1080p Monitor with diagonal screen sizes of 46 inches or greater are eligible for domestic in-home diagnostic and warranty services. In-home service requires clear and easy access to the Product and does not include removal or re-installation of an installed product. Some repairs may require the Product, or parts of the Product, to be removed from the home for repair or replacement and then returned. Please call Westinghouse Digital Electronics at (866) 287-5555 for the locations of the nearest Westinghouse Digital Electronics service center or to obtain in-home services.

I think I'm buying this thing.

me too, i just want to see it in a store first.

Great find on the news on in-home service. It's even harder to resist from bringing one home, since the new service policy on the 47" model will ensure hassle free warrantee period. I just need to see this baby in person on the demo floor. If the PQ is as good as the 42" model, I'm in.

Is it safe to assume no HDMI 1.3 on this badboy?

Is it safe to assume no HDMI 1.3 on this badboy?

Yes.

From http://westinghousedigital.com/t-Warranty-1080pMonitors_46above.aspx

"EXCLUSIONS TO WARRANTY — Damage to the Product resulting from acts of God, accident, misuse, abuse, negligence, commercial use (not consumer or personal use), alteration, or unauthorized repair of the Product is not covered by this warranty."

What about us, stinking atheists, that just catch a bad break? We're long overdue for a flood or an Earthquake here in NYC! Plus what if God does exist and he/she/it sees fit to strike down all HDTV sets not to his/her/its liking? I mean, come on! Everybody knows God likes Sony!

;) :D

I'm all in. I bought it sight unseen based on my experience with the 37W1. Expected delivery in one week.

anyone get this yet... if so... how dpes it look .. pro's and cons please?

My squadron is still planning on getting three of these, but for personal purchase, I think I might be tempted away to the new Sammy 46. \

I was told by one of my co-workers today that one of the BBs here in the DC area (lexington park) has both the Westy 47 and the Sammy 46 on display. I'm tempted to go check them out but I won't have time until the weekend =/

I just picked up mine from the local shipper and it is up and running. I've been a lurker here for a long time, but now that I have something to contribute I thought I'd register. Anyway, I have a long list of things to check and I will post my findings here as I complete my tests. So far, I've tested VGA at 1080P from my laptop w/ the MS HD Test material and it worked fine and looked nice. I've also tested HD-DVD via HDMI at 1080i which also looks fine. After calibration and some more testing (PC 1080P via DVI, XBOX 360 at 720P and 1080i as well as several others) I'll post more results.

My squadron is still planning on getting three of these, but for personal purchase, I think I might be tempted away to the new Sammy 46. \

I was told by one of my co-workers today that one of the BBs here in the DC area (lexington park) has both the Westy 47 and the Sammy 46 on display. I'm tempted to go check them out but I won't have time until the weekend =/

I doubt any BB retails having the 47" model. It's probably the 42" however should perform similarly to 47" when calibrated properly. Only one advice I can give you is not to judge on the PQ based on what you see on the demo models, especially at local BB. Having properly calibrated display, especially from accessing the SM will make this display look equal or better than anything out there for fraction of the cost of it's competitors. Not to mention accessing true 1080p input and output which is still rare in the current LCD's or Plasmas on the market.

Anyway, for those lucky few to have this display delivered shortly, can you please check to see if SM is accessible via " Vol-" + "input" + "power" on the side panel of the display?.... BTW, the input source has to be in use before you perform the SM entry.

TIA

I just picked up mine from the local shipper and it is up and running. I've been a lurker here for a long time, but now that I have something to contribute I thought I'd register. Anyway, I have a long list of things to check and I will post my findings here as I complete my tests. So far, I've tested VGA at 1080P from my laptop w/ the MS HD Test material and it worked fine and looked nice. I've also tested HD-DVD via HDMI at 1080i which also looks fine. After calibration and some more testing (PC 1080P via DVI, XBOX 360 at 720P and 1080i as well as several others) I'll post more results.

You are the first on here to have one!!!

Do you see any ghosting at 1080i? Do you see any verticle banding?

You don't seem to be gushing over its picture quality ("looks fine"). How does it look compared to other displays?

You are the first on here to have one!!!

Do you see any ghosting at 1080i? Do you see any verticle banding?

You don't seem to be gushing over its picture quality ("looks fine"). How does it look compared to other displays?

I'm hoping by 'fine' he means that, technically, all components of the set are functioning without problems. ;)

Btw, your new membership would be even better served with some PICS! ;)

I'm sure someone else already has one, just not here on the forum...

No banding that I can see w/HD-DVD or 360. I'm comparing it to a 50" HP Plasma and after tweaking a few things it's about the same at 720P and 1080i. I'm not sure what ghosting looks like on an LCD. On the plasma there is ghosting in dark scenes when the background is black and something lighter moves slowly but I haven't seen anything like that with the LCD yet. I would say that the LCD doesn't appear to have the ghosting that the plasma does, but it doesn't look as good in as wide a viewing angle. The black level looks nice, but as you move off to the sides or up and down the picture is "less dark" but still lokks nice. Of course I think this is already established info about Plasma and LCD, but seeing it in a controlled environment is different than in the showroom.

As for gushing I have to be sure that I've tweaked everything to my liking before I make any judgment. The 1080P stuff that I have access to is limited to movie trailers and MS HD Test Material. SO FAR, it looks about the same as 1080i, but that's over VGA. I have to test DVI and HDMI (if I can get an adapter) next.

I'll continue to report more as soon as I do some more testing.

I'm sure someone else already has one, just not here on the forum...

No banding that I can see w/HD-DVD or 360. I'm comparing it to a 50" HP Plasma and after tweaking a few things it's about the same at 720P and 1080i. I'm not sure what ghosting looks like on an LCD. On the plasma there is ghosting in dark scenes when the background is black and something lighter moves slowly but I haven't seen anything like that with the LCD yet. I would say that the LCD doesn't appear to have the ghosting that the plasma does, but it doesn't look as good in as wide a viewing angle. The black level looks nice, but as you move off to the sides or up and down the picture is "less dark" but still lokks nice. Of course I think this is already established info about Plasma and LCD, but seeing it in a controlled environment is different than in the showroom.

As for gushing I have to be sure that I've tweaked everything to my liking before I make any judgment. The 1080P stuff that I have access to is limited to movie trailers and MS HD Test Material. SO FAR, it looks about the same as 1080i, but that's over VGA. I have to test DVI and HDMI (if I can get an adapter) next.

I'll continue to report more as soon as I do some more testing.

Awesome news, I decided to return my 37w3 while I still can for the 47w1. While I realize it's a steep increase in price having 1080i content playback correctly is a plus. The extra 10 inches doesn't hurt either.

I'm hoping by 'fine' he means that, technically, all components of the set are functioning without problems. ;)

Btw, your new membership would be even better served with some PICS! ;)

Yes, I should have said everything is working fine. I just finished testing SD DVD upconverted to 1080i which looks nice. I think I prefer it to the plasma, but that is probably the TVs I'm looking at as well as my own tastes. Regular TV (from an old DirecTV receiver looks about as good as possible and is about the same as the plasma, but as long as it doesn't look terrible I'm happy there. Also for those that are worried about lag time for gaming I played a few games including PGR3 with a lot of fast motion and I didn't notice any problems. It seemed the exact same as a regular CRT and a plasma. I haven't used it to play PC games (yet) but I really doubt that performance in online FPS games etc. will be affected by using this monitor. I guess some people will have to find something else to blame their losses on. ;) Hacks, cheats, campers and netwok traffic are still valid excuses... All kidding aside, I'll try PC performance at a few different resolutions and see what I come up with.

Another thing that looks better than plasma (so far) are poeple's faces. WIth the plasma I've seen many examples of the sides of faces looking like the texture was missing and I haven't seen that yet on the LCD. I have a LOT more testing to do, but I will make sure to report my findings here and compare notes with other forum members as they appear. I will try to acquire a digital camera for some pics today or tomorrow too. Still no banding in any source, but I don't have a solid grey pattern to check.

Feel free to list things to check and I'll add them to my list if they aren't already on it.

Also, DVI testing may be more difficult than I anticipated. My DVI cable for PC is not the same as the DVI input on the TV (it has extra prongs) so I'll have to figure this out. If anyone knows if DVI for PC is different than DVI with stereo components feel free to save me some time. Thanks.

Yes, I should have said everything is working fine. I just finished testing SD DVD upconverted to 1080i which looks nice. I think I prefer it to the plasma, but that is probably the TVs I'm looking at as well as my own tastes. Regular TV (from an old DirecTV receiver looks about as good as possible and is about the same as the plasma, but as long as it doesn't look terrible I'm happy there. Also for those that are worried about lag time for gaming I played a few games including PGR3 with a lot of fast motion and I didn't notice any problems. It seemed the exact same as a regular CRT and a plasma. I haven't used it to play PC games (yet) but I really doubt that performance in online FPS games etc. will be affected by using this monitor. I guess some people will have to find something else to blame their losses on. ;) Hacks, cheats, campers and netwok traffic are still valid excuses... All kidding aside, I'll try PC performance at a few different resolutions and see what I come up with.

Another thing that looks better than plasma (so far) are poeple's faces. WIth the plasma I've seen many examples of the sides of faces looking like the texture was missing and I haven't seen that yet on the LCD. I have a LOT more testing to do, but I will make sure to report my findings here and compare notes with other forum members as they appear. I will try to acquire a digital camera for some pics today or tomorrow too. Still no banding in any source, but I don't have a solid grey pattern to check.

Feel free to list things to check and I'll add them to my list if they aren't already on it.

Also, DVI testing may be more difficult than I anticipated. My DVI cable for PC is not the same as the DVI input on the TV (it has extra prongs) so I'll have to figure this out. If anyone knows if DVI for PC is different than DVI with stereo components feel free to save me some time. Thanks.

Thanks for the updates.... Have you tried to see if the SM access code also works on the 47" model? It should work, according to PeterS, but I would like a confirmation.

TIA

I'm sure someone else already has one, just not here on the forum...

No banding that I can see w/HD-DVD or 360.


have you tried a medium grey background test? how about bright blue skies?

I decided to return my 37w3 while I still can for the 47w1. While I realize it's a steep increase in price having 1080i content playback correctly is a plus. The extra 10 inches doesn't hurt either.

We are talking about LCD panel size, right? RIGHT??!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Mine came this morning, been busy doing a bunch of tests, details hopefully by the late news.

Mine came this morning, been busy doing a bunch of tests, details hopefully by the late news.



COOL... please let us know asap.

We are talking about LCD panel size, right? RIGHT??!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Of course, got to keep things above board around here. :cool:

Any problems with the remote control on the LVM47?

My friend has an LVM42 and the remote has about a 50% success rate...

Mine came this morning, been busy doing a bunch of tests, details hopefully by the late news.

Film (i.e. pictures) at 11? :D

have you tried a medium grey background test? how about bright blue skies?
I had to go in to work for a few hours, but I'll check much more when I get home in a few hours. So far greys and skies look ok on the DVDs I tested, but it sounds like you have a more specific test in mind. If you have a particular test to run, let me know where to download the material or what it entails and I'll be happy to do it.

Regarding the Remote:
The remote works very well and I like the menus. They are very responsive and easy to use. In fact it seems to remember where you left off the last time you entered a menu. As far as the remote itself goes, it's ok. I would have liked a few more buttons, but I think it covers the basics...

My first impressions after a few hours were that the picture was very nice on HD-DVD (@1080i), via PC (@ 1080p) and upconverted DVD (@1080i) and that it really reveals the limitations of the source material. If the source material looks good the TV looks great, but the flaws stand out more too. I don't think we'll have to worry about that as much once HD-DVD and Blu-Ray stuff (as well as 360 and PS3) get going at full speed.

I just pulled the trigger also. And FYI those who ordered through Crutchfield might want to give them a quick call and see if they offer any kind of price protection... :rolleyes:

Regarding the remote control -- do they still make the mistake of not having discrete buttons for each input? Eg. does it have a single "dvi" button to toggle through the 2 dvi inputs and the hdmi?

Yes, we are finally getting some early reviews! I know people have asked but pictures of HD, SD, and XBOX 360 would be very much appreciated by me and others I'm sure. I'm a Pannny 42PX60U owner but I am struck by upgrade-itis and it's now down to the Sammy 1080P and this.