I have just installed my Regza 42HL196 and I cannot hear sound from my Samsung Theater in a Box when I watch TV. I am using two HDMI inputs, one for the cable box and one for the Samsung receiver. I can hear DVDs just fine when I set the TV input to HDMI2, but no sound from the TV on HDMI1. I believe I have to turn off the TV's internal speakers, but neither the Installation nor the Operating manuals tell you how to do this (although they do suggest I read about it in the Operating manual! It's just not there). Any suggestions?

Hi,
On page 44 of my programming guide (for a 42LX196) it says using the remote go to Menu>>Audio>>Audio Setup>>Speakers on - off. This may not apply to your TV.

It may be possible you need to tell your cable box where to send the audio. It maybe going out a digital audio port or some such instead of the HDMI. You may also wish to put a connection between your cable box and your receiver. I haven't been that impressed with the audio coming out of the TV. Luckily on my cable box the audio comes out of the optical connection and HDMI at the same time, so changing audio sources is very easy. This is especially nice to switch to HDMI and set the sleep timer on the TV. That way the audio stops when the TV turns off. My receiver doesn't have a sleep timer.

Hope this helps. Good luck,

Buk

Hi,

I've connected my laptop via DVI on the laptop to a HDMI adapter to one of the TV's HDMI input ports and it looks great.

The operating guides states, "NOTE, do NOT connect a PC using the HDMI port. Always use the TV's PC IN (VGA) port to connect a PC. The HDMI port is not designed to support input from a PC."

Someone on this forum suggested it was a timing issue between the PC and HDMI on the TV that might create some problems.

My question is, is there HARM in connecting a PC to HDMI? It does look great.

Or is this warning in the guide just refer to computers with VGA ports and not computers with DVI ports? Aren't DVI and HDMI extremely similar except for the audio signal?

Thanks,

Buk

can someone tell me if there is any difference between the 37HL66 and the 37HLC56 other than the lack of a tuner in the HLC? does the HLC still have the same menu system, display engine, etc?

and is there any difference between the HL and the HLV other than the DVD player and the network capability?

thanks!

According to Toshiba their "pixel pure" system is a major upgrade on the 2006 models.

But, the Toshiba website & the guy I talked to at Toshiba cust service say the 37HLC 56 does not include "pixel pure"'

Since i'm in a fringe area-63 miles from the towers- & have to rely on my LG 4200 OTA tuner to pull in a signal i was planning on buying just the monitor, but without the pixel pure I guess i'll pass on that idea.

I just wanted to provide an update on my replacement 47LZ196. I've had the set for a few weeks now, and there's still no sign of ghost bars. I even caught a hockey game last night in 720p and 1080i on two different channels, and it looked beautiful. I still don't know the cause of the ghost bars, but I can definitely say that Toshiba is capable of producing sets that don't have them.

I also got my poor excuse for a media PC hooked up via a DVI-to-HDMI cable, and I'm running my nVidia 7600GS at 1920x1080. It's perfect! I just set the PicSize to Native, and I get full resolution without any overscan. And the picture is just amazing. Granted, it's not as sharp as a computer monitor from 18 inches away, but who's going to sit that close to a 47 inch TV? It's looks extremely sharp from 8 feet away, and recorded content looks beautiful. I'm extremely happy with the set in this respect. One flaw, however, is that I have to manually set the PicSize to Native every time I switch the input over to my PC. That just gets a bit annoying.

I'm not sure why some people are using custom resolutions on their PCs unless it has something to do with analog inputs or limitations of their video cards. If you can run 1920x1080 and you have a DVI output, then you should be good to go.

Glad to hear that perhaps the ghost bar issure may have and end. "Dildano"... I may have missed it, but what is the date on the back of your LZ?
Aslo, on another point. HAs anyone with a 47LX or 47LZ "196" ever checked the off axis vieiwing? I have a much chaeaper Philips 26PF5321D LCD and it doen NOT seem to wash out at all until you view the screen from WAY over to one side. I'd day I get at least a 150-160 degree viewing angle with no washout. On my Toshiba 47LZ196 the kids were watching the very colorful "Cars" Disney movie which had been played before, and I noticed very poor contrast and color from the side viewing. I would say anyhitng past plus or minus 50-60 degrees and the picture washies out terribly. :confused: Has anyone else compared off axis viewing on the 47LX or LZ besides me? I am thinking of taking mine back. If a $600 Philips has better off axis viewing something is not right here.

I have just installed my Regza 42HL196 and I cannot hear sound from my Samsung Theater in a Box when I watch TV. I am using two HDMI inputs, one for the cable box and one for the Samsung receiver. I can hear DVDs just fine when I set the TV input to HDMI2, but no sound from the TV on HDMI1. I believe I have to turn off the TV's internal speakers, but neither the Installation nor the Operating manuals tell you how to do this (although they do suggest I read about it in the Operating manual! It's just not there). Any suggestions?


how about just hitting the "mute" button on the remote? i have a similar setup with my dvd player and pc connected.

Hi All,

I have been looking for a while at Sony/Samsung/Sharp, but it seems they all have some serious problems with a high percentage of their 46" sets.

I was also considering the JVC, but it is not easy to find locally.

Then I came across the Ken Cranes website with the Toshiba 47" at a super price.

Does it have any major issues I should watch out for? I skimmed a few pages of this thread and did not see any major complaints, but I figured it would be best to ask now rather than be sorry later.

Thanks!
Dave

Buk, thanks for your reply. I solved the problem by attaching Monster audio cables between the cable box and receiver, and between the box again and the TV. I didn't need to turn off the speakers; perhaps setting the TV volume to 0 has the same effect. Interestingly, the Samsung receiver has an HDMI audio on/off toggle that I didn't know about, but won't use. You can use the HDMI cable for audio IFF you want to listen through the TV's speakers. If you want to use external speakers, you have to attach audio cables. This seems unfortunate and paradoxical, as I thought one of the benefits of HDMI cables (as opposed to DVI) is that they carry both audio and visual signals. Perhaps a third HDMI cable, between the receiver and the cable box, is required??

My question is, is there HARM in connecting a PC to HDMI? It does look great.

I would not worry about it. It may be possible to force your PC to output at a resolution/timing that might damage the TV. But if you stick with the resolution options the TV give you, you'll be fine. My guess is that Toshiba claims it is unsupported because they don't want to deal with support calls from people with all kinds of different computer hardware configurations. Having worked tech support for a brief while in the past, I can't say I blame them.


Aren't DVI and HDMI extremely similar except for the audio signal?

Yes, the internal wiring is identical. The only difference is the shape of the plug and the audio capability.

Then I came across the Ken Cranes website with the Toshiba 47" at a super price.

Does it have any major issues I should watch out for? I skimmed a few pages of this thread and did not see any major complaints...
I don't know what thread you are reading, but I would say that the "ghost bars" are a major complaint. :rolleyes:

For more info on the ghost bars, take a closer at a few more posts; you'll read about it soon enough. My opinion is this: I strongly recommend this TV based on the price/picture quality, but ONLY if you buy it from someplace that has a flexible return policy in case you end up with the ghost bars or some other issue. Getting warranty service for this issue is hit-or-miss at best, so having the choice to return it to the retailer is extremely important.

I have a 42hl196 which I bought last November, the sticker shows built in August 2006. I do not have any banding, I think the set is terrific. What I do have a problem with is telling when I am really seeing true HD. I am hooked up to a Rogers cable box in Canada and sometimes when I select an HD channel the picture does not fill the screen but had a vertical band on each side even though it shows native size, so are they delivering HD? I can adjust throught picture size, but I don't think it can be HD, Any thoughts ?

I have a 42hl196 which I bought last November, the sticker shows built in August 2006. I do not have any banding, I think the set is terrific. What I do have a problem with is telling when I am really seeing true HD. I am hooked up to a Rogers cable box in Canada and sometimes when I select an HD channel the picture does not fill the screen but had a vertical band on each side even though it shows native size, so are they delivering HD? I can adjust throught picture size, but I don't think it can be HD, Any thoughts ?

If you turn on your HD cable box and set it to the appropariate HD channel (so that the signal is being supplied to the TV), and then turn on the TV, the TV should (briefly) display the resolution of the signal it is receiving. You should be able to tell whether or not the signal is HD.

Just updating. We sold 5 sets over the last few days and none had ghost bars. All were december manufacture dates 4 42hl196's and 1 47lx196. We can't seem to get the 42lx196 back in stock toshiba keeps extending the delivery date. Wonder what's up with that, we got no answer on the delay

I don't know what thread you are reading, but I would say that the "ghost bars" are a major complaint. :rolleyes:


Ahh -- now I see. Guess I missed that. I was very optomistic to see only 33 pages on this TV. There are hundreds of pages of complaints on other LCDs :)

I think I am going to pull the trigger on the 47 tonight. If I have ghost bars I will take it back.

Thanks!
David

I have a 42hl196 which I bought last November, the sticker shows built in August 2006. I do not have any banding, I think the set is terrific. What I do have a problem with is telling when I am really seeing true HD. I am hooked up to a Rogers cable box in Canada and sometimes when I select an HD channel the picture does not fill the screen but had a vertical band on each side even though it shows native size, so are they delivering HD? I can adjust throught picture size, but I don't think it can be HD, Any thoughts ?

Mudgey, i'm glad you asked this question. I have a different setup, but the same problem

I have an LG LST-4200A over the air tuner connected to my roof top antenna & 32 inch LCD.

When i'm tuned to channel 4/NBC the LG on screen display shows that NBC is broadcasting HD/1080i/16:9 format.

Channel 4 displays with the vertical bars & I have to stretch the picture to get rid of them.

Channel 28/PBS shows the exact same HD/1080i/16:9 format.

But channel 28 does display in true 16:9. Go figure.

You are both seeing a 1080i signal and you are both seeing a 16:9 picture because that is the required format by law.

When you are seeing the sidebars on those channels, those are transmitted along with an upconverted SD TV show. You are correct -- it's not HD.

Hello,

I have had my 42HL196 for about 4 months, and it has been working perfectly since I bought it. However, I noticed tonight for the first time it is having some major clicking sounds coming from the internal speakers. I have my TV connected to my cable box with component cables. Any ideas on troubleshooting this problem would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks...

You are both seeing a 1080i signal and you are both seeing a 16:9 picture because that is the required format by law.

When you are seeing the sidebars on those channels, those are transmitted along with an upconverted SD TV show. You are correct -- it's not HD.

Thanks for the explanation BK

Yes I did set up the cable box to allow all types of transmission, therefore I guess When it says HD channel it is not always so. Thanks for information.

I spoke to a Toshiba rep today. I mentioned that some customers compalined about vertical bars on ther sets and he said that it was normal to see as he called it shadow bars on very bright scenes. I think that's a cheap answer but that's what I heard.

Back to your other question...

I think upconverting DVD players are just optimized to do a better job with a DVD source and can do it better than most sets can.


This is how I understand it to work too.

The DVD player does a better job, because it uses the original digital signal straight off the disc. When the TV does it, there are all those intervening stages, the signal goes threw first.

Anyone???

Just set up a 42HL196 for my mother. Accessed HD via OTA and the picture is vivid and crystal clear. OTA channel search was good and TV Guide is a nice touch. No problems with ghosting/banding. November 2006 build.

I haven't been able to understand "auto aspect ratio" even after reading the manual. Can someone take a stab at describing how this works? I don't think it's going to help me any when switching from HD to SD channels, which is really a bit of a pain. But I suppose all TVs have that problem.

A 480 signal can either be a 4:3 image, or a compressed (anaphoric squeezed) 16:9 image. "Auto Aspect Ratio" attempts to figure out, automatically, which it is. Otherwise, you need to do it manually.

I don't recall who asked, but my replacement 47LZ196 was manufactured in September 2006. I suspect that my original 47LZ196 was also manufactured at the same time since it arrived in early December, and was probably sitting next to the replacement set in the Tweeter warehouse.

While I think it's inaccurate to assume that all sets manufactured before December 2006 are faulty, it may be possible that all sets manufactured during or after December 2006 are defect-free. Guess we need more data from people to confirm that.

Did I mention that I love my 47LZ196?

Oh, and people keep asking about the StableSound feature. I haven't done any real testing with it, but as far as I can tell it's useless. I notice very obvious volume changes between channels, so if it's doing anything then it's not much. Too bad because it sounds like a great feature. By the way, I should mention that I am NOT using the built-in speakers. I get my audio through my receiver.

It was me who asked Dildano...Thanks for the info....Just wanted to say that the sound feature would probably only work on the TV speakers themselves and not if going through a receiver. Unless of could you are going into the tv and the tv is passing the audio on to the receiver. I cannot imagine that that would be a good way to do it though.

There is usually a major difference between DD and non DD (digital/analog) Even with my old equipment, I have to remember to turn down the volume before switch from DVD player back to Tv.

Could someone also let me know why the HDMI 1 input on the LZ196 is coupled with RCA audio inputs? Does the HDMI here not accept any audio?

Could someone also let me know why the HDMI 1 input on the LZ196 is coupled with RCA audio inputs? Does the HDMI here not accept any audio?

Both HDMI jacks accept audio. The reason the RCA jacks are there is to give you another audio input option for HDMI 1. In my case, I have a DVI device that I hook up using a DVI-to-HDMI adapter. Since DVI doesn't carry an audio signal, I need another way to get the audio to the TV. The RCA jacks solve this problem (quite nicely, I might add).

There's a setting in one of the menus to specify which audio input to use from the HDMI 1. I think it auto detects by default: if there's an audio signal coming in over HDMI, it'll use that. Otherwise, it uses the RCA input.

Thanks MDR....Interesting move my Toshiba...Good for them. Someone's thinking!

I received my replacement 42LZ196 yesterday from Crutchfield, after noticing 3 vertical bars during bright scenes and fast-motion panning. I am happy to say that this set appears to be in fine working order. The build date is Dec 2006, as opposed to the Sept 2006 model, which I had previously. I am completely satisfied ( HD and PS3 looks amazing) and also relieved that the problem isn't prevalent on this set. Crutchfield was gracious and professional with their exchange program. I will most certainly be a returning customer.

I received my replacement 42LZ196 yesterday from Crutchfield, after noticing 3 vertical bars during bright scenes and fast-motion panning. I am happy to say that this set appears to be in fine working order. The build date is Dec 2006, as opposed to the Sept 2006 model, which I had previously. I am completely satisfied ( HD and PS3 looks amazing) and also relieved that the problem isn't prevalent on this set. Crutchfield was gracious and professional with their exchange program. I will most certainly be a returning customer.

Thanks Fubar...I appreciate the info...I am biting the bullet tonight and ordering mine...I am hopefull that it is a later build date...I cannot wait to get it home....Just have to decide on an HD provider....

Thanks again!

PS...how far from the screen are you? when you watch?

Just wanted to say that I am completely satisfied with my 47LZ196 and have experienced no problems with ghosting or banding. I have a November 2006 build.

i just ordered a 37HLV66 off best buy website. i'll be picking it up tomorrow so i'll have it for DA BEARS this weekend! the best buy website has this for what i think is a great B&M price right now, with the 30 day guarantee and what not.

i'm also getting a free 399 MSRP massage chair with it for some promotion. i'll let you know how the chair is. :D

I think you'll like it dcpizzle. It's not perfect, but it is a great tv, and that is a good deal, I went and got some money back on a price match a few hours ago b/c of that sale.

Does anyone know if any of the 37" models have a VGA port that supports resolutions higher than 1024x768? I want to hook my 360 up via VGA but looking for a set that will allow me to get 1366x768 or higher.

Has anyone else noticed that the picture tends to get washed out as you change your viewing angle? I know the viewing angle is advertised to be pretty high for this TV, but the picture definately changes brightness as you move left/right off center.. Other experiences with this?

Has anyone else noticed that the picture tends to get washed out as you change your viewing angle? I know the viewing angle is advertised to be pretty high for this TV, but the picture definately changes brightness as you move left/right off center.. Other experiences with this?

This has been brought up at least once before (posts 332 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8647562&&#post8647562) and 333). Man, this thread is getting long. :)

Can it run 1080P through component... Anyone???

I tested this out with my 42LZ196 last night and my XBOX 360. I set it for 1080P and no picture shows over component using both component inputs.

Guess the only way to get 1080P is through HDMI.

Thanks Fubar...I appreciate the info...I am biting the bullet tonight and ordering mine...I am hopefull that it is a later build date...I cannot wait to get it home....Just have to decide on an HD provider....

Thanks again!

PS...how far from the screen are you? when you watch?


I am sitting around 4-5 feet away from the TV. HD looks great, but standard def would look better if you sit farther away (8ft).

Has anyone else noticed that the picture tends to get washed out as you change your viewing angle? I know the viewing angle is advertised to be pretty high for this TV, but the picture definately changes brightness as you move left/right off center.. Other experiences with this?


That's what you have to live with from an LCD. The backlight leaks through between the pixels and becomes more noticable as you move to the side. I agree the picture washes out very quickly and does not come close to the advertised viewing angle. This is the same reason black levels are inferior to plasmas as well.

That's normal for LCD panels. They are much brighter then Plasmas and wash out when your viewing angle changes. Both panels have there pluses and minuses. I have a rule of thumb when selling these sets. Bottom line is how bright is your room. If you have many windows, glare or use a lot of lights at night buy an LCD. If you have a dark room your better off with the plasma which has a much more true to life picture. I still say the best bang for the buck tv is the Panasonic plasma 42 60u. We sell it for 1,199.00 and has 1 of the best pictures out with no issues that I hear or see.

A new member to the forum (which I've found quite helpful - thanks everyone). After much consideration I went out a purchased a 47LZ196. Despite my hope, it has come with the dreaded ghostbars - one on each side about 6 inches in and one right in the middle. This is present from all input sources - DVD by HDMI, HD Cable box with HDMI, Xbox with S-Video, etc. etc.,

I will be returning it.

Has anyone had any success with Toshiba customer service (I know the LZ comes with a one year on site service and was hoping it would be less of a hassle for them to come, pick it up and give me a new one)? I am really not looking forward to dismounting this sucker from the wall, packing it up and unpacking/mounting the new one.

Has anyone purchased a 47LX or 47LZ without ghost bars?

Thanks!

What a HELLISH experience!!!
My set was outside the return period from my local store (excellent folks to deal with actually) and had a Toshiba technician come and check it out within about 2 days. The technician reported the ghost bars to Toshiba and called me back saying that Toshiba knew about the issue, had their engineers working on it (my guess is that they were trying a workaround with a firmware update) and that he had my OLD set to return to me. I refused. I wanted the problem corrected and I was not given any assurances this would happen. I was told to call Toshiba "Customer Service" (a complete misnomer) myself.

After numerous calls (left 5 voice messages with no response, had their automated attendant tell me the wait would be 90+ and 240+ minutes on a couple of occasions) I managed to speak with a manager. I gave him an ultimatum - a new set or a refund. He said he'd get back to me within 2 business days. On the 4th business day, another rep called me and said that a refund had been arranged with the place I purchased it from. They didn't even try to give me a new set. Very odd business model.

While I am happy to get rid of the ghostbars this was quite a good set other than the ghostbars (which were hugely annoying during hockey and other sports and racing video games).

Any SUGGESTIONS on a comparable product from another manufacturer?!?

Just picked up a 37HLV66 today after ordering from BB last night, got it all hooked up and I'm quite impressed. I usually only watch HD material in the basement on a 55" Sony LCD proj...but now I can spend more time on sundays upstairs with the family :)

Was mildly disappointed the QAM tuner didn't pick up more of the HD Cable channels without a box so I had to order another friggin box. Not the TVs fault but the Cable companies. It does how ever pick up pay per view channels and from what I can tell everyone around me are perverts.

I read some people not liking the remote but I think its just fine...I'll put it through some paces when I get more time but from about 2 hours of channel flipping and DVD watching I give it a solid 9 out of 10.

can't wait for the free massage chair :)

I recently picked up this set to use as a TV/DVD player/PC monitor for my kids play room. My only issue relates to the PC use....when the power save feature of the PC kicks in, the monitor stays on and the letters "PC" appear in the lower right side of the screen (where it shows which input the unit is on). It just stays this way until we wake the PC. Is there any way to set it up so that it goes to sleep like a normal PC monitor???

Thanks.

Well, I finally got my 42LZ196 mounted on my bedroom wall. Did it myself with all the cables hidden in the wall. What an experience...

Well, I can say that this is one awesome LCD. I have a December build date, and no ghost bars so far. I setup the email feature, as well as the JPEG and MP3 feature and it works awesome (except for the # of entries limitations).

I was surprised to see a menu option to upgrade the firmware automatically via the THINC Ethernet connection. Upon selecting it, it did warn me that once I start the process I could not cancel, nor could I watch TV while it search, downloaded and installed the firmware. I decided not to continue as I wanted to check here to see if anyone had tried this option as of yet.

So far, I have to say I'm more than impressed with the quality of the set, the features, and this remote firmware update via the THINC Ethernet connection (even though I didn't proceed with it yet).

The downside of this display, is the VGA only accepts 1024x768, and that it only supports 1080P over HDMI, and not component.

I'd highly recommend the 42LZ196 set to anyone looking for a fantastic 42" LCD.

I have owned a 42HL196 for about a month now, and am using it connected to a Windows MCE PC. I have been successful in playing with some different resolutions using only the VGA connection.
Running now at 1280x768 at 60Hz, and it looks great as a PC desktop. Very little scaling and the desktop is very usable and readable. I did install powerstrip and had to do a very small amount of adjusting to get the picture centered and not overscanning at all, it looks great now.
I was also able to run 1366x768, which probably gave me more of a true 16x9 A/R for DVD viewing, but the scaling wasnt as sharp, and the desktop was much harder to read text.
I have tried a few others, and could likely get 1280x720 looking very good, but I wanted to make use of the max amount of vertical resolution. I plan to pick up a DVI-HDMI adapter as I hear that 1920x1080 will work fine.

I have had no issues with ghost bars, and I love the picture quality of this set. I will be getting HD service with SaskTel Max, IPTV. This IP based HD service is brand new, and looks fantastic. The service is only available with a 1080i output right now, so it should be nicely compatible with this set.

I was surprised to see a menu option to upgrade the firmware automatically via the THINC Ethernet connection. Upon selecting it, it did warn me that once I start the process I could not cancel, nor could I watch TV while it search, downloaded and installed the firmware. I decided not to continue as I wanted to check here to see if anyone had tried this option as of yet.


i'm also curious as to whether anyone has done this.

i just got the HD cable box and the HD channels look great. i'm running it through the 'colorstream' component input. would HDMI theoretically provide better image quality?

one issue i'm having now is that the HD channels look great but the SD channels now look much worse than they did when i was watching via my old cable box just through the coax. i'm gonna try some different inputs and see what i find.

and of course, i'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of my massage chair!

I spoke too soon . . . my new set does have the ghost bars, however they do not appear to be as noticeable as my older set. However, I'm not happy that they showed up again. I'm not sure whether it's worth returning for another set or just putting up with it; i'm sick of the hassle.

I have owned a 42HL196 for about a month now, and am using it connected to a Windows MCE PC. I have been successful in playing with some different resolutions using only the VGA connection.
Running now at 1280x768 at 60Hz, and it looks great as a PC desktop. Very little scaling and the desktop is very usable and readable. I did install powerstrip and had to do a very small amount of adjusting to get the picture centered and not overscanning at all, it looks great now.
I was also able to run 1366x768, which probably gave me more of a true 16x9 A/R for DVD viewing, but the scaling wasnt as sharp, and the desktop was much harder to read text.
I have tried a few others, and could likely get 1280x720 looking very good, but I wanted to make use of the max amount of vertical resolution. I plan to pick up a DVI-HDMI adapter as I hear that 1920x1080 will work fine.

I have had no issues with ghost bars, and I love the picture quality of this set. I will be getting HD service with SaskTel Max, IPTV. This IP based HD service is brand new, and looks fantastic. The service is only available with a 1080i output right now, so it should be nicely compatible with this set.


> I plan to pick up a DVI-HDMI adapter as I hear that 1920x1080 will work fine.

Where did you hear this? (I want to know whether or not I can hook up an XBox 360 via VGA...)

I spoke too soon . . . my new set does have the ghost bars, however they do not appear to be as noticeable as my older set. However, I'm not happy that they showed up again. I'm not sure whether it's worth returning for another set or just putting up with it; i'm sick of the hassle.

NO!!! don't put up with it. call toshiba and put up a big stink. let them know WE'RE NOT GOING PUT UP WITH THIS!!! 800-631-3811

they absolutely have to put out a recall on this crappy product they've put on the market!!

in the meantime (not that it's going to do any good), i'm submitting a complaint to the Better Business Bureau.

i have an october 2006 37HLV66 with no 'ghost bars'. i was actually happily surprised at how uniform the backlight brightness is. my dad is currently in the market for an XBR3, so this was one of the major things i was worried about.

i'm also curious as to whether anyone has done this.

i just got the HD cable box and the HD channels look great. i'm running it through the 'colorstream' component input. would HDMI theoretically provide better image quality?

one issue i'm having now is that the HD channels look great but the SD channels now look much worse than they did when i was watching via my old cable box just through the coax. i'm gonna try some different inputs and see what i find.

and of course, i'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of my massage chair!

So, my understanding is that with the Comcast DCT6400 or DCT3400 series, the SDTV channels won't look as nice as just connecting the cable up directly to the TV, however the HDTV channels will look awesome. I moved my DCT3400 from my other TV to it to confirm this and indeed it's true.

I decided to get the CableCard option instead. Comcast offered it to me at an awesome price, so they will be ariving on Sunday to install it (too bad I can't pick it up and slide it in myself). Either way, it'll be nice to decode all the channels from 2 to 999 with the cable card (I don't care of IN-Demand, or ON-Demand programming).

I tested this out with my 42LZ196 last night and my XBOX 360. I set it for 1080P and no picture shows over component using both component inputs.

Guess the only way to get 1080P is through HDMI.

The only way for the 360 to output 1080P is via the VGA cable, component is limited to 1080i.

The only way for the 360 to output 1080P is via the VGA cable, component is limited to 1080i.

The problem here is that even with the VGA cable, the 42LZ196 can only do 1024x768 over VGA, so even though the XBOX 360 can do 1080P over VGA, the Toshiba can't accept this resolution through the VGA interface.

Has anyone used the TV Guide On Screen that is built into some of the Toshiba LCDs? I need a longer IR Blaster cable, but I wanted to find out whether it was worth it or not before I bought one. Also, I have a cable box with a built in DVR and I was wondering if programs could still be scheduled for recording through the DVR with the guide (the Toshiba manual only mentions VCR recording). Right now, I just use the cable guide and select the show and schedule the DVR recording. Thanks.

Bingo! Until M$ builds a version with HDMI (possibly the next gen) that's what were stuck with.

The other question as it relates to these Toshiba sets is, if they intended the panel to be a 'PC' capable display with 1080P why in the heck didn't they make the VGA input 1920x1080?

Bingo! Until M$ builds a version with HDMI (possibly the next gen) that's what were stuck with.

There are lots of speculation around the leaked pictures of the refreshed XBOX 360. What everyone is saying:

(1) Will be release Q3 if not Q4 of 2007
(2) Include HDMI 1.3
(3) Will include the Microsoft IPG for AT&T u-Verse IPTV offering. AT&T u-Verse is already available in the following markets (CLICK HERE) (http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=9036)

I recently picked up this set to use as a TV/DVD player/PC monitor for my kids play room. My only issue relates to the PC use....when the power save feature of the PC kicks in, the monitor stays on and the letters "PC" appear in the lower right side of the screen (where it shows which input the unit is on). It just stays this way until we wake the PC. Is there any way to set it up so that it goes to sleep like a normal PC monitor???

Thanks.
Anybody???

Im trying to decide between the 32hl66 and 32hlv66. Basically the only difference is the built in upconverting DVD player. I havent heard anyone's impression of the dvd player, probably because anyone likely to give a meaningful review of it would never buy a tv with a built in dvd player. That being said, to me it seems like a good deal. I can get it for like 80 bucks more and you cant find even a cheapo upconverter for that much and still buy the HDMI cord. Besides that my current dvd player isnt great. I am just kinda sketched about buying a tv with the dvd player built in... i dont want it to be worthless. Thoughts??

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Im trying to decide between the 32hl66 and 32hlv66. Basically the only difference is the built in upconverting DVD player. I havent heard anyone's impression of the dvd player, probably because anyone likely to give a meaningful review of it would never buy a tv with a built in dvd player. That being said, to me it seems like a good deal. I can get it for like 80 bucks more and you cant find even a cheapo upconverter for that much and still buy the HDMI cord. Besides that my current dvd player isnt great. I am just kinda sketched about buying a tv with the dvd player built in... i dont want it to be worthless. Thoughts??

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I own the 26hlv66. Like yourself, being the prefectionist I am, I was skeptical of having a built in DVD player. I wanted the 26hl66, but the retailer only had the 26hlv66 and since it was only a few more dollars, I decided to buy it.

Overall, I think it's a pretty good DVD player. While I don't watch a lot of DVDs, I did put it through the Silicon Optix HQV torture test, and it passed most of the tests, with the exception of some slight jaggies(Common for most DVD players, including higher end ones). I also watched my reference DVD movie " The 5th Element" and felt like I was watching HD. I would rate the player as very good. Plus you have the benefit of not having to buy a separate player and a HDMI cable.

With respect to the TV, I purchased mine after Consumer Reports highly recommended it in their 12/06 issue. At the time, I wasn't even thinking of Toshiba. I wanted a small TV for the bedroom and had my eyes set on either a Sony or Sharp. For the money, this is a very good TV once you calibrate it. Besides HD, this TV does a great job with standard definition, especially with a good digital feed. The only negative which I have to agree with Consumer Reports is the limited viewing angle which is about as wide as the TV screen and tends to ghost outside of that range. In addition, the contrast ratio could be better. Dark scenes and blacks tends to look smeary and just can't compare to my reference model which is a good old fashion tude Sony 34XBR960 CRT where blacks are inky black and add that extra pop to the picture. If blacks and viewing angle are really important to you, I'd recommend another LCD, but as far as picture geometry, colors, picture brightness, the very good DVD player and great standard def. picture, you can't go wrong with this TV.

Thank you for your reply. I understand about the upconverting being done with respect to games & DVDs.

You said that "Upconverting DVD players will take your DVD running at 720x480 (480p) and upconvert to 720p and even up to 1080p". It is my understanding that the 42HL196 set itself will also upconvert a 480p signal and upconvert it to 1080p.

My question is: given the fact that the 42HL196 does it's own upconverting, will using an additional upconverting DVD player make any difference? (ignoring differences between the way that the DVD player upconverts and the way that 42HL196 upconvertors). (i.e. since the TV upconverts anyway, is the use of an upconverting DVD player a redundant step).

If a dvd player is upconverting a signal to 720p, 1080i, or 1080p, the television will receive the upconverted signal. Each tv converts incoming signals to it's own 'native resolution'. If the signal is already at it's own native resolution, there is no need or possibility of additional conversion.

The question then becomes: which product is better at performing the upconversion process? I think you should check out the dvd players from Oppo.

It's amazing the kind of reviews they are receiving...ESPECIALLY when you consider their cost.

Bought the 25HLV66 yesterday for the bedroom. My other sets are a 50" Pioneer Elite Pro-1130HD and a Sony KD-30XS955, both of which I feel are the best of their respective classes. The Pio gives good control in the user menu of everything I needed to calibrate, and there's lots of information available for accessing the Sony Service Menu.

I'd like to adjust overscan and picture position on this Toshiba Regza LCD? Is there any way to do this?

Also, since this is my first LCD, I'm not familiar with what the Backlight adjustment is for. I realize it affects the overall brightness of the screen, but how is it related to the Contrast and Brightness settings? Thanks!

By the way - my first impressions (after calibrating with DVE and watching the tuner, a DVD, and my D* HR10-250) are that this is a very good value. I like the DVD player included. And, the tuner is the best in my house (better than the Pioneer Elite, the Sony CRT, the HR10 and an HR20-700).

Im trying to decide between the 32hl66 and 32hlv66. Basically the only difference is the built in upconverting DVD player. I havent heard anyone's impression of the dvd player, probably because anyone likely to give a meaningful review of it would never buy a tv with a built in dvd player. That being said, to me it seems like a good deal. I can get it for like 80 bucks more and you cant find even a cheapo upconverter for that much and still buy the HDMI cord. Besides that my current dvd player isnt great. I am just kinda sketched about buying a tv with the dvd player built in... i dont want it to be worthless. Thoughts??

I've had my 32HLV66 for a couple of months now, and I've been very impressed with the built-in DVD player. I didn't do any testing like Rmutz did on his 26HLV66, but I have watched several DVDs and I thought they all looked great. The only thing that annoys me is that the DVD player loads on the side of the set, and it's difficult to get to if you've got your set in a cabinet or armoire. I bought a little lazy-susan to put the set on so that I can swivel it to get to the DVD slot. Overall, I just love the picture on the Rezga sets (I've also got a 47LZ196).

Hi all. After "trying out" a Toshiba 47LZ196 for 23 days, I'm probably going to return it and get the Mitsubishi LT46231. Have been bothered by the one only somewhat visible "ghost bar" on the Tosh. Also, the angle viewing on the Tosh is washedout at only slightly off center especially when viewing lighter colors or fleshtones on faces. So I appreciate following the thread here on the Toshiba.

I am not sure about Mitsubishi technical support or customer service. This has held me back. But yesterday I spent almost 2 hrs looking at a Mitsubishi LT46231, next to a Samsung LN-S4695, Toshiba 47LZ196, and the Sony 46" XBR. The color , detail, and overall contrast on the Mits was outstanding. No off axis wash out like some sets including my Toshiba. I felt the Sony looked a bit sharper, but was also nosier in the picture. As though the sharpness or edge enhancement was maxed out. Didn't like that. The Mits had the sharpness without the noise. And color , blacks, and detail were superb. Yes, there was the white line thing, but only on some program material. They had the sets on a HD satellite loop with TNT HD, ESPN, and a few others. Some program material showed the white line others did not. It isn't a big thing. You have to be looking for it if it is there at all.

What will I miss on the Toshiba 47LZ196? The speakers are better. Best on an LCD or plasma flat panel I've heard. I also liked the side panel inputs, rather than the front panel. I also liked the stand, and the screen in 1" larger [woo-hoo].
Other than that I will sacrifice the weaker sound, but gain much better picture quality, the same type of color tweekability, the IEEE inputs, DVI-I, and much better off axis viewing plus deeper black levels than the Toshiba 47LZ196.

I hope I'm making a better choice. My sales guy says he will let me try out the new set in their service area first to make sure I am pleased; since I have to drive 130 miles round trip to get to his store. Can't ask for better that that! I'll post my opinions on the Mits probably next week after I take back the Toshiba.

Here's my 2 cents. The Mitsubishi LT-46131/231 has the fewest "anomalies" of 46"-47" 1080P LCD sets. A picture better than Sony, Samsung, Sharp, or Toshiba. I've spent over 2 months looking intently in BB , CC, S3AR3, etc. Save yourselves some time, gas, and aggravation. At this time, the Mitsubishi seems the one to get in a larger 1080P LCD.
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I'm asking this after searching a lot of posts in this thread and not finding this exact issue:


Ok, my folks just bought a 42 HL196 for their vacation home and since it's near where I live I helped them get it set up. First off it's a Nov 06 build and no gray bars YET, but I told my Dad to get ahold of the store they bought it from to make them aware that if the bars show up it's going back!

On to the question, I tried hooking up my Dad's laptop (P4 2.4GHZ, Win XP Pro, 1 gig RAM and an ATI mobility Radeon video card). I used the VGA connection (no DVI on the laptop), set the monitor properties to 1024x768 @ 60hz and put a check mark in the box to 'extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor', the problem is only the desktop background image shows up on the TV as well as the initial Windows boot screen. None of the desktop icons show up, start menu etc... I'd appreciate if anyone can help me get this issue resolved.

Re: 32HL66 my picture, using a digital (non-HD) cable box and stretched in Theater 1 mode is not all that clear. Anyone know a way to tweak the set to get a better picture?

Re: 32HL66 my picture, using a digital (non-HD) cable box and stretched in Theater 1 mode is not all that clear. Anyone know a way to tweak the set to get a better picture?

Theater 2 should keep the aspect ratio closer, it's still a zoom, so I'm not sure you'll get a much clearer picture, but the height and width should be more proportionate.

So Comcast arrived this afternoon to setup my Cablecard in my 42LZ196. It took a bit longer as the installer had to call in and give them two numbers from the Cablecard so they can hit it.

After about 10 minutes, all the channels I subscribe to are decoding and I can watch all HD channels as well. So far I haven't found any compatibiltity issues or PQ or Sound issues either.

I confirmed that he installed a single direction SCard Cablecard, as Comcast isn't ready to deploy any two way or MCards yet (head-ends aren't upgraded yet).

I gotta say, that I'm still impressed with the analog channels, digital channels and more so the HD channels in my area.

I was surprised to see a menu option to upgrade the firmware automatically via the THINC Ethernet connection. Upon selecting it, it did warn me that once I start the process I could not cancel, nor could I watch TV while it search, downloaded and installed the firmware. I decided not to continue as I wanted to check here to see if anyone had tried this option as of yet.

So I decided to give the "Upgrade Firmware" feature a try, so I selected Yes at the prompt. It came back within about 5 seconds and told me that my firmware is up to date, but it did ask me if I wanted to install it anyways. I said no to that option. I'm wondering how well it actually works. We won't know until a new version of the 42LZ196 firmware is released.

Re: 32HL66 my picture, using a digital (non-HD) cable box and stretched in Theater 1 mode is not all that clear. Anyone know a way to tweak the set to get a better picture?

Keep in mind that on many cable systems, even with digital cable, the most viewed channels ~2-100 are still analog and have the associated noise and grain in the picture. Also with digital cable, s-video is probably your best possible connection for picture, so make sure you use that instead of just coax from the cable box.

BTW, I picked up my new 47LX196 last night. Dec 06 build and no ghost bars. Excellent picture today watching football ota.

I have a question about the "On-Timer" feature on my 42LZ196. Is there a way to set the preferred channel so that when the LCD turns on at the programmed time, it also switches to a specific channel, rather than the previous viewed channel?

I'm asking this after searching a lot of posts in this thread and not finding this exact issue:


Ok, my folks just bought a 42 HL196 for their vacation home and since it's near where I live I helped them get it set up. First off it's a Nov 06 build and no gray bars YET, but I told my Dad to get ahold of the store they bought it from to make them aware that if the bars show up it's going back!

On to the question, I tried hooking up my Dad's laptop (P4 2.4GHZ, Win XP Pro, 1 gig RAM and an ATI mobility Radeon video card). I used the VGA connection (no DVI on the laptop), set the monitor properties to 1024x768 @ 60hz and put a check mark in the box to 'extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor', the problem is only the desktop background image shows up on the TV as well as the initial Windows boot screen. None of the desktop icons show up, start menu etc... I'd appreciate if anyone can help me get this issue resolved.

You'll either need to "mirror" the displays (so both the laptop and the TV show exactly the same thing), or you'll need to make the TV the primary monitor (in which case the laptop will only show the background image).

I think some video cards do this better than others, so your mileage may vary, but in general, to set the TV to the primary display:

1. Right-click on desktop
2. Choose "Properties" from the resulting pop-up menu
3. Click the "Settings" tab
4. Click the "Advanced" button
5. There should be a "Displays" tab. Click it
6. Under the "Displays" tab, there should be a grid showing all active displays. Beside each display should be two blue buttons (labelled "1" and "2"). My guess is that the laptop panel will be set to "1" and the TV will be set to "2"
7. Click the "1" button on the TV display (this should automatically set the laptop panel to "2")
8. Click [OK] or [Apply]... etc.

This should swith the primary display

If you want to mirror the displays, try unclicking the 'extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor' checkbox (I have not verifed that this will work). You may also consider buying a third-party dual monitor display application (I use UltraMon)

From what I have heard there has been no firmware updates for these models. Maybe in the future but not now. I still have not seen any ghost bars on december or january manufactured sets.

I've decided that flat panel technology isn't where I'd like it to be when investing several thousands of dollars. I am returning my second unit (42LZ196 that shows 5 ghost bars as compared to the 3 from my first unit) for a Sony KDS-50A2000 SXRD rear projection tv. It is several hundred dollars less than the toshiba. Appears to offer greater picture quality and fast pixel response time (2.5 ms). I was noticing a ghosting effect with the 42LZ196, especially during fast action scenes with the toshiba. I am willing to sacrifice space for PQ as of now; I think I'll wait a few years before investing in a flat panel television.

You'll either need to "mirror" the displays (so both the laptop and the TV show exactly the same thing), or you'll need to make the TV the primary monitor (in which case the laptop will only show the background image).

I think some video cards do this better than others, so your mileage may vary, but in general, to set the TV to the primary display:

1. Right-click on desktop
2. Choose "Properties" from the resulting pop-up menu
3. Click the "Settings" tab
4. Click the "Advanced" button
5. There should be a "Displays" tab. Click it
6. Under the "Displays" tab, there should be a grid showing all active displays. Beside each display should be two blue buttons (labelled "1" and "2"). My guess is that the laptop panel will be set to "1" and the TV will be set to "2"
7. Click the "1" button on the TV display (this should automatically set the laptop panel to "2")
8. Click [OK] or [Apply]... etc.

This should swith the primary display

If you want to mirror the displays, try unclicking the 'extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor' checkbox (I have not verifed that this will work). You may also consider buying a third-party dual monitor display application (I use UltraMon)

Thank you for the info, I'll give it a try the next weekend my Dad comes back up to their vacation home. The funny thing is I almost did exactly what you described.

Thank you for the info, I'll give it a try the next weekend my Dad comes back up to their vacation home. The funny thing is I almost did exactly what you described.

Sometimes (if I recall correctly), it's impossible to swap primary/secondary displays without the use of third-party software... I could be wrong on this though.

> I plan to pick up a DVI-HDMI adapter as I hear that 1920x1080 will work fine.

Where did you hear this? (I want to know whether or not I can hook up an XBox 360 via VGA...)

I've hooked up the PC to my 42HL96 with a HDMI-to-DVI connector and it works fine as long as your videocard and drivers support 1920x1080, I suppose.

Initially, I was using Windows XP and I was able to connect at 1920x1080@60. However, since switching to Vista, I am only able to connect at 1920x1080@30i, probably due to the beta Vista drivers.

I have a question about the "On-Timer" feature on my 42LZ196. Is there a way to set the preferred channel so that when the LCD turns on at the programmed time, it also switches to a specific channel, rather than the previous viewed channel?

I don't know much about the on-timer, but I believe you can use the Guide Plus to turn on the TV at a specified time to a specified program.

I believe that is the only way to do it. I use the on timer but am satellite. I've setup a auto-tune on my dish to turn to a specified channel a couple of minutes before the tv turns on.

Anyone have this tv (or 37hl66) that can post their settings? I'm curious...

I've decided that flat panel technology isn't where I'd like it to be when investing several thousands of dollars. I am returning my second unit (42LZ196 that shows 5 ghost bars as compared to the 3 from my first unit) for a Sony KDS-50A2000 SXRD rear projection tv. It is several hundred dollars less than the toshiba. Appears to offer greater picture quality and fast pixel response time (2.5 ms). I was noticing a ghosting effect with the 42LZ196, especially during fast action scenes with the toshiba. I am willing to sacrifice space for PQ as of now; I think I'll wait a few years before investing in a flat panel television.

That's called motion blur, it's common on all the lcd's out. All the tv makers addressed it at CES. I'm still waiting for my replacement set to come in Now there telling me early feb which would be 5 weeks waiting. The only good thing since my store doesn't keep any LX's in stock is I should get a december or january built set. The only stock the HL's. But I agree all these lcd sets today have issues of 1 sort or another.
My biggest complaint is how bad sd tv looks . Considering the majority of channels are sd it stinks.

That's called motion blur, it's common on all the lcd's out. All the tv makers addressed it at CES. I'm still waiting for my replacement set to come in Now there telling me early feb which would be 5 weeks waiting. The only good thing since my store doesn't keep any LX's in stock is I should get a december or january built set. The only stock the HL's. But I agree all these lcd sets today have issues of 1 sort or another.
My biggest complaint is how bad sd tv looks . Considering the majority of channels are sd it stinks.


Like I've said before This whole large screen LCD is in it's infantsy. Don't expect perfection, It's not there yet. All models have issues and will for another year or 2 till they realize how to perfect this model of tv. The new Toshiba models coming out late spring early summer have much better response times than the current models. That should help with the motion blur we see now. You want to be the first on the block with a new technology then expect to have to deal with inferior products.

Like I've said before This whole large screen LCD is in it's infantsy. Don't expect perfection, It's not there yet. All models have issues and will for another year or 2 till they realize how to perfect this model of tv. The new Toshiba models coming out late spring early summer have much better response times than the current models. That should help with the motion blur we see now. You want to be the first on the block with a new technology then expect to have to deal with inferior products.

Are the Lzs really that bad?? I've had several people tell me they love theirs and some people here with their problems....I have one getting delivered on Monday...Please tell me that I will not be disappointed. :confused:

Are the Lzs really that bad?? I've had several people tell me they love theirs and some people here with their problems....I have one getting delivered on Monday...Please tell me that I will not be disappointed. :confused:

I received mine about two weeks ago, the 42LZ196 and I absolutely love it. I don't have any of the ghost bars... maybe I'm lucky, but I've got a Dec 2006 build. I also have a Comcast cable card running in it and the SD channels looks pretty nice, but the HD channels are awesome. I've even tested my Xbox 360 over Component and it's awesome as well.

I'd say the selling points for the 42LZ196 would be:
(1) Picture quality assuming you don't have those Ghost Bars
(2) Built-in TVGuide software (not perfect, but a great feature to have)
(3) Sound quality for the internal speakers is pretty nice. I like the Virtual Dolby one with movies that come over with DD5.1
(4) Cable card support
(5) Lots of menu options to play with
(6) Very wasy to wall-mount.
(7) Lighted remote
(8) Nice glossy black bezel
(9) Ability to download your email from PO3/SMTP (no support for IMAP or MAPI) servers and also schedule it.

Features that they should improve on
(1) Increase 1000 limit of MP3 and JPG that it can display
(2) Add the ability to select channel for the "On-timer" feature
(3) Increase the support resolution of the VGA interface higher than 1024x768

But after all this, the LCD is awesome, and I couldn't be happier.

1000 file limit? I'm well under that. I would guess 200 maybe. (HL196)

That "feature" was one of the things that attracted me to this set. It's in the bedroom and I didn't want to have to install a media center. More cables to run and another piece of equipment. At this point however it doesn't look like they are going to address the issue. I guess it's up to the attic yet again!

Are the Lzs really that bad?? I've had several people tell me they love theirs and some people here with their problems....I have one getting delivered on Monday...Please tell me that I will not be disappointed. :confused:
Everything is relative, AVITWeb. All technologies have their shortcomings: LCDs have motion blur, plasmas screens are too reflective, rear projection and tube-based sets are big and heavy, front projectors aren't bright enough, etc. A better set for less money will always be six months away. You can either wait years until the technologies stabilize, or you can jump in now and deal with some warts (and the knowledge that the set you just bought will cost half as much next year).

Assuming you don't end up with ghost bars, I doubt you'll be disappointed.
Blur was a significant problem on older LCDs, but the response time on the LZ is fast enough that blurring won't be really noticeable unless you are an especially picky videophile, in which case no flat panel would be satisfactory. You've made the decision to jump in, just enjoy your new set. :)

(Note to the especially picky videophiles out there: I'm not knocking you for being picky, but not every viewer is as discerning or bothered by what many perceive to be minor deficiencies in the PQ.)

Why is an acknowledgement of the functions of the display brainwashing? It's a 1080p display, Toshiba says it is, end of story. Do they say it accepts 1080p? No. Should a car manufacturer state that their 5 passenger cars will not carry 7 people?

Back before 1080p was the buzzword it is now, manufacturers made sets that they called '1080i' sets. These sets also had 1920x1080 pixel panels, just like the one you're talking about above. Why weren't these tv's sold as 1080p sets back then? The panel was a 1080p panel then too.

By 'increasing' the description of the set from 1080i to 1080p for the same type of set, they are falsely claiming that there is something better about these, that if you're looking to take advantage of a 1080p source, that you'll get the advantage with this set. It's not true.

By not handling a 1080p signal, you can't take advantage of a 1080p source any more than you could with the last generations 1080i sets.

-Kyle

Back before 1080p was the buzzword it is now, manufacturers made sets that they called '1080i' sets. These sets also had 1920x1080 pixel panels, just like the one you're talking about above. Why weren't these tv's sold as 1080p sets back then? The panel was a 1080p panel then too.

By 'increasing' the description of the set from 1080i to 1080p for the same type of set, they are falsely claiming that there is something better about these, that if you're looking to take advantage of a 1080p source, that you'll get the advantage with this set. It's not true.

By not handling a 1080p signal, you can't take advantage of a 1080p source any more than you could with the last generations 1080i sets.

-Kyle

I think you are wrong on this: most 1080i sets available a year ago and even today have a resolution of 1366x768 which is more like 720p. I know the labeling is misleading for 42HL/LX196 but on their website toshiba explicitly mentions that the panel is 1080p meaning 1080x1900 resolution. For input capability it doesn't mention 1080p and states that it upconverts 1080i to 1080p.

That aside, my major concern for this set is still the banding issue. I am actually getting my 3rd replacement for 42HL196 from BestBuy this monday and keeping my fingers crossed that I end up with a good unit. First unit Nov. manufactured, had 3 bands - one on the left, a thin one in the middle and one of the right. Second one I got was manufactured in Sept and had similar banding but a bit faint compared to the first one. Anyways I will keep you guys posted.

appears the November model has most of the banding ghsot bars... very interesting... i'm replacing my 42HL196(nov 06) with a LZ as well... I asked for December 2006... will keep everyone posted.

Back before 1080p was the buzzword it is now, manufacturers made sets that they called '1080i' sets. These sets also had 1920x1080 pixel panels, just like the one you're talking about above. Why weren't these tv's sold as 1080p sets back then? The panel was a 1080p panel then too.

By 'increasing' the description of the set from 1080i to 1080p for the same type of set, they are falsely claiming that there is something better about these, that if you're looking to take advantage of a 1080p source, that you'll get the advantage with this set. It's not true.

By not handling a 1080p signal, you can't take advantage of a 1080p source any more than you could with the last generations 1080i sets.

-Kyle

They weren't called Progressive because they weren't progressive. New 1080p sets are progressive, that's why they're called progressive. I don't know of any fixed pixel displays that are 1080i...

They weren't called Progressive because they weren't progressive. New 1080p sets are progressive, that's why they're called progressive. I don't know of any fixed pixel displays that are 1080i...

Aren't all flat panel displays inherently progressive? (with respect to output)

What a HELLISH experience!!!
My set was outside the return period from my local store (excellent folks to deal with actually) and had a Toshiba technician come and check it out within about 2 days. The technician reported the ghost bars to Toshiba and called me back saying that Toshiba knew about the issue, had their engineers working on it (my guess is that they were trying a workaround with a firmware update) and that he had my OLD set to return to me. I refused. I wanted the problem corrected and I was not given any assurances this would happen. I was told to call Toshiba "Customer Service" (a complete misnomer) myself.

After numerous calls (left 5 voice messages with no response, had their automated attendant tell me the wait would be 90+ and 240+ minutes on a couple of occasions) I managed to speak with a manager. I gave him an ultimatum - a new set or a refund. He said he'd get back to me within 2 business days. On the 4th business day, another rep called me and said that a refund had been arranged with the place I purchased it from. They didn't even try to give me a new set. Very odd business model.

While I am happy to get rid of the ghostbars this was quite a good set other than the ghostbars (which were hugely annoying during hockey and other sports and racing video games).

Any SUGGESTIONS on a comparable product from another manufacturer?!?

The Mitsubishi LT-46231. Terrfic reviews on this forum. No ghosting, banding, bleeding or other issues.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=745419&page=1&pp=30

Aren't all flat panel displays inherently progressive? (with respect to output)

I've read several times here in the AVS forums that the Hitachi plasma TVs (the ones that use the ALIS panels) are the exception. They are apparently interlaced. I guess there always has to be an exception! :rolleyes:

john a

Any opinion if the 37HLc56 is a good value as a bedroom set for $799?

Any opinion if the 37HLc56 is a good value as a bedroom set for $799?

Great set, just be aware that there is no Tuner in the set, and no 12-bit picure processing that would make it a REGZA...

I dropped by at Futureshop today just to see what my options are if my 3rd replacement set turns out to be bad. I was very interested in the Sharp 42" Aquos model LC42D62U because it has a decent price tag and accepts 1080p input though HDMI. But to my surprise I saw the same thin shadow line in the centre of the screen like my 42HL196 during the hockey scenes. I doubt that this is a coincidence as I have heard in the D62 thread that Sharp uses an outsourced(Chi Mei?) panel for the 42" Aquos. So this is a heads up for anyone thinking of buying LC42D62U.

After spending quite a lot of time comparing different panels I have decided that the only decent alternative that fits my budget is the Sony Bravia KDL46S2000 which is a 1080i/720p panel. I found it to be very good in side-by-side comparision with 42HL196. The blacks are better and so is the viewing angle. I was also surprised to see that its Made in Japan. Anyways if you guys have any other suggestions besides Mitsubishi do let me know.

I think what I'm going to do next is go to BB or CC, buy a new one, take it home and set it up. If no ghost bars, the old one is going back in the box and it's going back to the store. I'll tell them it has ghost bars and let them send it back to Toshiba to deal with.
Any thoughts???

The serial number on the back of the TV is also printed on the box.

The serial number on the back of the TV is also printed on the box.
I doubt BB checks it. I got 2 replacements and the boxes got mixed up all the time when they came to pick the tv up.

Here's what I'm up against. Toshiba denies the existence of these "ghost bars" on the 42HL196. I've had the set for about 6 months and have just noticed them within the past month or so. More pronounced on the left side of the screen than on the right, but there nonetheless.

Toshiba authorized service centers want to take the set to their shop, diagnose the problem, order parts, wait for parts, install parts, check to make sure they fixed the problem. If they have, I've been about a month with a set. If they don't fix it, or misdiagnose the issue, I'm without a set for much longer than that.

Toshiba is absolutely no help whatsoever. I've been trying to get them to authorize a replacement -- no go.

I think what I'm going to do next is go to BB or CC, buy a new one, take it home and set it up. If no ghost bars, the old one is going back in the box and it's going back to the store. I'll tell them it has ghost bars and let them send it back to Toshiba to deal with.

One way or the other, I'm gonna get some satisfaction out of this.

Any thoughts???

I totally understand your situation. I think Toshiba is the only one not recognizing the problem with their panels. Sharp acknowledges the banding problems on its D62 46"/52" and is replacing the sets (not repairing) for people affected. On other side Sony has released a information note on their website about the cloudiness issues on the new XBRs and is offering a firmware fix in Feb.

Any opinion if the 37HLc56 is a good value as a bedroom set for $799?


Great set, just be aware that there is no Tuner in the set, and no 12-bit picure processing that would make it a REGZA...

not to mention that off-center viewing is brutal. Picture is clear, but color and contrast fade significantly the further you move away from the front of these Toshiba lcds (anything beyond, say, 20-25 degrees from center). Assuming the lcd will be in front of you, from your bed, yes, this lcd is a good value, particularly at the price Sears is now selling it for in their sale this week. And I think it looks better when turned off than the cheaper priced options; Olevia, etc.

The Mitsubishi LT-46231. Terrfic reviews on this forum. No ghosting, banding, bleeding or other issues.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=745419&page=1&pp=30

I traded in my HL196 for a LNS4095. Beautiful TV. I'm so glad that I did, too... None of the headaches that these poor guys have. It was a few hundred extra, but it was worth it. It accepts full 1080p input as well.

The HL196 has one toslink output but what about inputs?

The HL196 has one toslink output but what about inputs?

Yeah, what about inputs?!? THERE ARE NONE!!!

Put a complaint in with Toshiba: see how far that gets you.

Just thought I'd chime in.

I've had my 42hl196 for just over a month.
I returned my first due to ghost bars, the second has none.
While I was trying to decide whether to keep this one I tried the Insignia NS 42LCD and the Sharp Aquos 42D62U. (All the staff at FS hate me now.)

The Insignia was a decent picture but the set itself looked really cheap, very few adjustments for PQ or other, on screen programing looks like it was designed by my 4 yr old and you needed a hammer to make the buttons on the remote work.

The Sharp had a great PQ but not better than the Toshiba, loads of adjustability but a cheap looking remote and was a great looking TV, but overall the only thing better about the Sharp was 1080P input which, in my mind, was not worth spending an extra 500 to get.

So I replaced the Toshiba with another, my AVIA disk is on the way and it's all good.

The HL196 has one toslink output but what about inputs?

Just out of curiosity, why would you want one?

Ooops, definitely jumped the gun on my wiring.

I use the speakers from the set and do not video switch. That means i require both an audio and video run from each component (sat and dvd). Toslink is great in that it's a better signal than rca and has a single end (requires less space in conduit).

Problem for me now is I assumed it had toslink. The tv has been hung for 2 months. I'm just now getting to wiring for the new components. In my haste I ran two 25ft toslink. Silly that it has no digital audio inputs.

Ooops, definitely jumped the gun on my wiring.

I use the speakers from the set and do not video switch. That means i require both an audio and video run from each component (sat and dvd). Toslink is great in that it's a better signal than rca and has a single end (requires less space in conduit).

Problem for me now is I assumed it had toslink. The tv has been hung for 2 months. I'm just now getting to wiring for the new components. In my haste I ran two 25ft toslink. Silly that it has no digital audio inputs.


Have you ever seen a set that has Optical inputs?

Nope, just assumed it would be standard these days. This is my first tv purchase in 5 years. Not a deal breaker in finding the set I wanted so I didn't pay close attention to it.

I got the 42HL196 last week, and I'm just about to take it back and get an LG... this Toshiba has an OKAY picture, but I must say the best PQ I've seen is from an LG. The remote takes too long to go through the channels on the Toshiba...... and 1080i just just like crap if there's any movement. I like the 1-100 signal meter on the Toshiba, though..but the LG has the best OTA tuner for fringe reception I've seen. I wish BB sold a 1080p LG... I thought about the Westy 47" 1080p, but I can't find any in stock. Oh well... I just hate to have to go to the trouble of loading this one up....

Hi all,

Long time reader first time poster. I am looking for a 26" LCD and I came across a few nice ones. The Samsung LN-S2738D (actually 27") at Walmart looked nice but they dont have any left in Jersey. Too bad it was only $748 =(
I then went to Best Buy and looked at the Philips, Sharp Aquos LC26D40U, Samsung LN-S2641D, and the Toshiba 26HLV66. I have to say the Toshiba just looked amazing compared to the others. Best Buy had them all using a split coax cable with an HD signal. They ran a musician playing guitar and I could see the pores in his skin, then they ran a football clip and I could see the sweat coming off the players and the perfectly defined blades of grass the others made a half hearted attempt to show the same but were no where close to the Toshiba's quality. What kind made me skeptical was the fact that it only carries a 800:1 contrast ratio. Seems low to me but supposedly that is taken care of by the 12 bit processor that creates 4096 shades of gray. I have read a few complaints here on these forums and I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. I had my mind made up to get the Samsung but my budget is only $850. I considered the Sharp but now the Toshiba has caught my eye. BTW I found one at a B&M without the DVD player 26HL66 for $819. I may just pick it up today or tomorrow unless you guys have a better choice for me.

Thanks

Hi all,

Long time reader first time poster. I am looking for a 26" LCD and I came across a few nice ones. The Samsung LN-S2738D (actually 27") at Walmart looked nice but they dont have any left in Jersey. Too bad it was only $748 =(
I then went to Best Buy and looked at the Philips, Sharp Aquos LC26D40U, Samsung LN-S2641D, and the Toshiba 26HLV66. I have to say the Toshiba just looked amazing compared to the others. Best Buy had them all using a split coax cable with an HD signal. They ran a musician playing guitar and I could see the pores in his skin, then they ran a football clip and I could see the sweat coming off the players and the perfectly defined blades of grass the others made a half hearted attempt to show the same but were no where close to the Toshiba's quality. What kind made me skeptical was the fact that it only carries a 800:1 contrast ratio. Seems low to me but supposedly that is taken care of by the 12 bit processor that creates 4096 shades of gray. I have read a few complaints here on these forums and I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. I had my mind made up to get the Samsung but my budget is only $850. I considered the Sharp but now the Toshiba has caught my eye. BTW I found one at a B&M without the DVD player 26HL66 for $819. I may just pick it up today or tomorrow unless you guys have a better choice for me.

Thanks

I have the 26hl66 and love it. It comes with fewer bells and whistles than the larger sets, but is not prone, I think, to the ghost bar issues. The size I got was dictated by the space in my built-in bookshelf for the den. 26" sets with speakers on the sides were too wide. Got an on-line deal before Thanksgiving for $749 - no longer available :( . I think the black resolution is perfectly acceptable in a dark room - it sometimes amazes me.

Hi all,

Long time reader first time poster. I am looking for a 26" LCD and I came across a few nice ones. The Samsung LN-S2738D (actually 27") at Walmart looked nice but they dont have any left in Jersey. Too bad it was only $748 =(
I then went to Best Buy and looked at the Philips, Sharp Aquos LC26D40U, Samsung LN-S2641D, and the Toshiba 26HLV66. I have to say the Toshiba just looked amazing compared to the others. Best Buy had them all using a split coax cable with an HD signal. They ran a musician playing guitar and I could see the pores in his skin, then they ran a football clip and I could see the sweat coming off the players and the perfectly defined blades of grass the others made a half hearted attempt to show the same but were no where close to the Toshiba's quality. What kind made me skeptical was the fact that it only carries a 800:1 contrast ratio. Seems low to me but supposedly that is taken care of by the 12 bit processor that creates 4096 shades of gray. I have read a few complaints here on these forums and I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. I had my mind made up to get the Samsung but my budget is only $850. I considered the Sharp but now the Toshiba has caught my eye. BTW I found one at a B&M without the DVD player 26HL66 for $819. I may just pick it up today or tomorrow unless you guys have a better choice for me.

Thanks
Nice set, great deal...also the one you are looking at has a built in DVD player, which makes it even more appealing

What kind made me skeptical was the fact that it only carries a 800:1 contrast ratio.

Everybody, please, repeat after me: Contrast ratio is a meaningless statistic.

There is no standard way to measure the contrast ratio of a set, so comparing contrast ratios from different manufacturers won't tell you anything definitive about the differences of the display. Let your eyes be the judge.

So if that is the only thing making you hesitate on the 26HLV66, you should go for it.

I agree... I have the 42HL196 with the 800:1 contrast ratio and the whites and blacks are very good! Couldn't be happier with the picture... just the ghost bars drive me!

Just got my 42LZ196 yesterday, and I think I have spotted the dreaded ghost bars...mainly on the right side of the set. But can only see them on panning left to right with a white or grayish color behind. Honestly.....its not a big deal...I think it would be a bigger deal if I had to sit and go through the hassle of returning it...I have 30 days to decide so if it gets worse, we will see. i would bet that almost evey one of them has this to some extent and I would be willing to bet that its inherent in the way Tosh makes their panels. As long it doesn't totally screw up my viewing I am ok with it for now. I will test tomorrow and let you know how its does with a movie other than the Matrix...but honestly, I think its a great set!!! Picture looks outragious...I love the thing. My only real complaint would be the picture beginning to wash out when you stand or view at an angle, and thats not even horrible, the thing's on a swivel stand!

I have been looking to purchase the tv and really leaning towards this one. But I have also looked at the Panasonic TH-42PX600U. Any suggestions?

I agree... I have the 42HL196 with the 800:1 contrast ratio and the whites and blacks are very good! Couldn't be happier with the picture... just the ghost bars drive me!
I have been looking over and over at this model. How are the black levels? and are the 'ghost bars' very noticable? I have looked at plasma, but I am concerned about IR or 'burn-in'.

Hi all,

Long time reader first time poster. I am looking for a 26" LCD and I came across a few nice ones. The Samsung LN-S2738D (actually 27") at Walmart looked nice but they dont have any left in Jersey. Too bad it was only $748 =(
I then went to Best Buy and looked at the Philips, Sharp Aquos LC26D40U, Samsung LN-S2641D, and the Toshiba 26HLV66. I have to say the Toshiba just looked amazing compared to the others. Best Buy had them all using a split coax cable with an HD signal. They ran a musician playing guitar and I could see the pores in his skin, then they ran a football clip and I could see the sweat coming off the players and the perfectly defined blades of grass the others made a half hearted attempt to show the same but were no where close to the Toshiba's quality. What kind made me skeptical was the fact that it only carries a 800:1 contrast ratio. Seems low to me but supposedly that is taken care of by the 12 bit processor that creates 4096 shades of gray. I have read a few complaints here on these forums and I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. I had my mind made up to get the Samsung but my budget is only $850. I considered the Sharp but now the Toshiba has caught my eye. BTW I found one at a B&M without the DVD player 26HL66 for $819. I may just pick it up today or tomorrow unless you guys have a better choice for me.

Thanks

I have 26HLV66 in my bedroom. By comparison, I have a Pioneer Elite Plasma in the family room and a Sony CRT-based 30" HD set in a den. Both of those sets are considered best-in-class by many. That said, I have been very pleased with the Toshiba set. I notice the pixel fragmentation a little more than on the plasma, but that's probably just the nature of LCD. Also, Blacks are not as deep, but IMO are acceptable. I thought the set has a lot of nice picture controls, and I also like the way the Auto Aspect Control can be configured to utilize a particular setting for 4:3 material. The internal ATSC tuner is probably the best one in my house (out of 5 total including DVRs). The built-in DVD player is pure icing on the cake.

Just got my 42LZ196 yesterday, and I think I have spotted the dreaded ghost bars...

What is the build date of your 42LZ196?

I have narrowed down a purchase choice between the 37lx96 and the 37hlv66. Does anyone have any info on the comparison of sound quality for these two sets? I know that the lx96 has the so-called sound strip, which is supposed to be better. Also, are there any additional features on the lx96 that would justify the extra money?

Thanks for any info...

I have narrowed down a purchase choice between the 37lx96 and the 37hlv66. Does anyone have any info on the comparison of sound quality for these two sets? I know that the lx96 has the so-called sound strip, which is supposed to be better. Also, are there any additional features on the lx96 that would justify the extra money?

Thanks for any info...


I have a 37HLX95 with SoundStrip and it sounds great (for a TV). the differences are:

• Colormaster color management system
• Virtual Dolby (SRS TruSurround 5.1)
• Soundstrip Speaker System
• 2-way speaker system
• 6-item illuminated universal remote
• Game Timer
• Dual RF inputs
• Dual HDMI inputs
• New black cabinetry

Thanks gosawx. Very helpful info.

I was considering purchasing the 42LZ196... does anyone know if it is HDCP compliant? I saw no mention of this on their website specs...

I have been looking over and over at this model. How are the black levels? and are the 'ghost bars' very noticable? I have looked at plasma, but I am concerned about IR or 'burn-in'.


I will be entirely honest with you. I have had 2 replacements for this model and the black levels are not as good compared to Samsung and Sony. I finally decided to cancel my 3rd replacement and ordered a Sony Bravia 46" (S series 1080i set) instead which cost me almost the same. This was mostly due to the ghost bars but I also felt that black levels were not on par with other sets. I always missed the 3D pop up look that HD is suppose to give you. Don't take my word for it - easiest way to compare this is to change the input mode to a non used input such as HDMI or ColorStream- You will see the screen is bluish black. Turining down backlight doesn't help much either. Another problem I didn't notice until later was when watching movies there is a slight back light leakage along the bottom corners. They appear slightly bright compared to the rest of the screen. This was the case with both the sets I got. You might not notice it unless you are watching a movie with lights off with back light turned to at least 60.

A bit of advice for anyone thinking of trading this for a 1080i set. I was very reluctant about doing this as most 1080i sets are native 1366 x 768 < 1900 x 1080 offered by this set. But after reading various videophile websites and a great article from CNET called "The case against 1080p" comparing the video quality, it really made my decision easy.

I have been looking to purchase the tv and really leaning towards this one. But I have also looked at the Panasonic TH-42PX600U. Any suggestions?


Panasonic is a great panel and offers great PQ with CRT like black levels but burn-in issues still plague plasmas. So if you are into gaming or like to watch SD programs in native mode (black bars on sides) go with LCD.

I too notice the faded black level when the picture breaks, i.e. no signal before a commercial starts up. What should be an entirely black screen is more bluish with varying levels of brightness throughout the screen.

Having said that, I am more than happy with the overall picture when a program is playing. I have not noticed the ghost bars nor do I want to try to notice them. I find that SD signals are more than adequate, in fact, they're very good. I am running a SD signal over 15 year old coax and I'm pleased. HD is coming on the weekend and I'm sure I'll be impressed.

Bottom line for me is I purchased the 42HL 3 months ago for well under $2000.00. For that price I'd be hard pressed to find a better quality set. I would recommend the insurance of an extended warranty however. Call it worry free viewing for a few years.

Panasonic is a great panel and offers great PQ with CRT like black levels but burn-in issues still plague plasmas. So if you are into gaming or like to watch SD programs in native mode (black bars on sides) go with LCD.


i'd also like to chime in (on the LCD thread of course :)) that the biggest problem I have with plasmas is reflection. These days, you'd really have to try to burn in a plasma. All the subtle nuances in PQ differences we discuss here get lost if all you see is the glare from the window behind you

just my 2 cents

i'd also like to chime in (on the LCD thread of course :)) that the biggest problem I have with plasmas is reflection. These days, you'd really have to try to burn in a plasma. All the subtle nuances in PQ differences we discuss here get lost if all you see is the glare from the window behind you

just my 2 cents


As long a we're at it....go with the plasma. goswax is correct about about burn-in. You'd have to almost purposely abuse today's plasmas to burn in an image. While there is a glare issue I will say that after having owned both a plasma, and now an LCD, putting up with some glare in the daytime is worth having a picture that "pops" with a 3-d effect. These LCDs just don't have it...and I own one of these sets. Also, much better blacks and off-axis viewing but be wary of false contouring. Don't fret over the loss of 1080P either, a 720P/1080i plasma still has a better picture due to backlight issues and motion blur, which these sets also have to some degree. Not to mention the banding problems that have surfaced.

Here's a photo of the dreaded ghost bars on my Toshiba 42HL196.

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/23945/cat/508

Is the image source just a black screen?

Is the image source just a black screen?

i'm not sure what you mean. the image source is a comcast hdtv cable box; this is what the set looks like when i'm changing channels. the "ghost bars" are extremely noticeable and become much less obvious (although still visible) when the channel tunes in and there's a picture on the screen.

see these photos for what it looks like with an image:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/23946/cat/508

look closely - - it's there right near the arrow. sometimes it's more visible than others depending on the color of the background.

and, it doesn't matter what the input image source is (dvd, cable, tivo); it's ALWAYS there.

also, once you notice these bars, you can't "un" notice them. i didn't see them until i started reading about them on this forum. now i see them all the time!

Wow, your photos really show the problem. I would not be happy with this set at all. I too purchased a 42HL196 but I think I am one of the lucky ones who doesn't have these bars.

I will try to post a couple pics later tonight when I get home from work (assuming I can figure out how to do it :) ).

On a slightly different note, I have looked through all the pages and haven't seen much talk about the problem I am having. When viewing cable content in Native mode I frequently see noise around the edges of the picture (most typically at the top). Using Full mode takes care of this since it zooms in about 3-5% but takes away the benefit of the Native mode. I also bought a Sharp LC-42D62U and have been comparing the two sets to see which I like the best. The Sharp also shows this noise in its Dot for Dot mode. The noise seems to be mostly on the commercials and some programs that I am guessing were not filmed in HD but rather have been upconverted. Anyone else seeing this???

BTW, I like the colors on the Toshiba a lot better than the Sharp but feel the Sharp has a little crisper picture. The true 1080P inputs on the HDMI connections are also a plus for the Sharp. On the down side, my wife and I don't care for the piano black finish on the Sharp or the Toshiba 42LZ196 or the Samsungs (doesn't make sense to buy an LCD TV that doesn't reflect ambient light and then put a black mirror like finish on the surrounding frame that reflects every light in the room). I have pondered bringing both back and waiting for the 2007 models but more and more of them (including the Toshiba line up) are going to have the piano black finish. Anyone like this finish?

What is the build date of your 42LZ196?

Build date is December 2006...I dont yet know if I have the bands...I know strange....I do notice something on the right when panning, but it is nowhere near what others have mentioned. It could just be me...I have only seen it so far on broadcast TV...DVDs I have not noticed.

I will tell you though, the pictures are BEAUTIFUL and black levels are much better than I expected from an LCD (once somewhat calibrated)

Here's a few pics of my 42HL196. It is a September 2006 build that I bought at BB last week. Perhaps others who think they have NO ghost bars could post to compare to these.

When viewing cable content in Native mode I frequently see noise around the edges of the picture (most typically at the top). Using Full mode takes care of this since it zooms in about 3-5% but takes away the benefit of the Native mode.
The "noise" that you are seeing is part of the signal. In the old analog CRT days, the exact size of the screen relative to the signal was a bit variable, so broadcast signals would contain an "overscan" area that may or may not be seen by the viewer. It didn't contain anything important, since the TV might cut it off. Digital sets with a native mode can show this entire area, and it seems like many broadcasts contain an extra row of noise-like pixels. You might notice that it looks a bit different depending on the channel. There is nothing you can do about it (except watch in a non-native mode) since it is part of the signal and not an issue with the TV.

The default aspect ratio is "Natural" because Toshiba knows that broadcasters don't intend for you to see the overscan area. Don't fret, you aren't missing any of the action.

For what it is worth, I couldn't make out any ghost bars in your images, although the low resolution might make them tricky to spot.

Build date is December 2006...I dont yet know if I have the bands...I know strange....I do notice something on the right when panning, but it is nowhere near what others have mentioned. It could just be me...I have only seen it so far on broadcast TV...DVDs I have not noticed.

I will tell you though, the pictures are BEAUTIFUL and black levels are much better than I expected from an LCD (once somewhat calibrated)

out of curiousity, what are your picture settings if you don't mind posting?

thanks very much.

I have been looking over and over at this model. How are the black levels? and are the 'ghost bars' very noticable? I have looked at plasma, but I am concerned about IR or 'burn-in'.

I think the blacks are great... the ghost bars are noticible on certain shows... esp football during a kick off for example./.. but it seems not every TV of this model has the issue

does anyone else think the SD pic quaility on the 42HL196 looks terrible or is it just me? HD looks great....but SD is just....hideous. I've had my set for about a month and I hope there's nothing wrong with it.

I've never noticed any ghost bars but after this thread, I'll be sure to check closely tonight after work. by the way, where does it say the build date on the tv? I got mine about a month ago, so hopefully there're no problems.

I would have to disagree. I've got a satellite feed, SD running 60ft over 15 year old copper (would assume RG59) and I think they look great. Yes, I'm sure they would look better on a CRT but I can't complain.

does anyone else think the SD pic quaility on the 42HL196 looks terrible or is it just me? HD looks great....but SD is just....hideous. I've had my set for about a month and I hope there's nothing wrong with it.

I've never noticed any ghost bars but after this thread, I'll be sure to check closely tonight after work. by the way, where does it say the build date on the tv? I got mine about a month ago, so hopefully there're no problems.


SD p/q is actually pretty good. some channels are better than others, but overall, i think it's pretty awesome. i do have the ghost bars and i'm trying to get toshiba to make good on their warranty.

i have comcast HD service. also, i've got all the electronics running through a monster power HTS 3500 MK II reference center so i get an extremely clean picture.

if you have a crappy incoming signal, you're going to have a poor p/q. there's no way around it. one thing i did learn is to have the cable (if that's what you're using) run directly from the box on your house to the tv...no splitters in between. have the cable company come out and do it for you; they should do it at no charge. also have them check the signal quality while they're there to be sure it's adequate.

i had comcast at my house at least 8 times before they got it right. if i'm paying $120.00/month for service, it better be good!!!

be careful looking for the ghost bars...once you see them, you can't "un" see them!

Here's a few pics of my 42HL196. It is a September 2006 build that I bought at BB last week. Perhaps others who think they have NO ghost bars could post to compare to these.


what is the 2nd photo? what gives a completely blue screen like that?

The blue screen (and the other two screens as well) is one of the test patterns on the Video Essentials DVD. I ran through the DVD to calibrate the set and to test for ghost bars. I took pictures of most of the test patterns. The one with the horizontal grey bars of varying shades I thought would be best to see whether there were verticle ghost bars. I can not see any but one other post replied that he saw a ghost bar in the left side of the all grey screen shot I posted. Again, I can not see it so I guess I am lucky (especially since many have commented that units built before December seem to all have these ghost bars).

I went back to BB today to look at how other LCD sets performed in off center viewing since at least one of my viewing seats in my family room is enough off center to have the picture be washed out on my 42HL196 (still clear but there is a lot of back light leakage which makes the picture look very over exposed).

What I saw was that several other models seemed to do much better at off center viewing than the Toshiba. The Sony and Samsung models seems to have no noticeable change when I went almost all the way out to 180 degrees. The Sharp seems to be about the same as my Toshiba.

My question is whether folks here believe that this issue is universal in the Toshiba LCD line or are some sets better than others which would indicate its a production issue similar to the ghost bars. I ask because the 42HL196 in BB seemed to have less of an off center viewing issue than the one I have at home. Perhaps it is just that the bright environment makes it harder to tell if the picture gets washed out. I appreciate your thoughts.

does anyone else think the SD pic quaility on the 42HL196 looks terrible or is it just me

Consumer Reports rate this TV's SD picture as very good. You probably should investigate what you can do about the incoming signal as it should not be completely hideous.

My question is whether folks here believe that this issue is universal in the Toshiba LCD line or are some sets better than others which would indicate its a production issue similar to the ghost bars. I ask because the 42HL196 in BB seemed to have less of an off center viewing issue than the one I have at home. Perhaps it is just that the bright environment makes it harder to tell if the picture gets washed out. I appreciate your thoughts.

Yes, even if it doesn't always seem all that bright, most store environments are still much brighter than even most well-lit homes, and it DOES make it more difficult to accurately assess this aspect.

I have the Toshiba 32" lcd monitor version, which I picked up a couple weeks ago, and I think it's off center viewing is rather poor. The picture is still clear and watchable from the sides, but there is a distinct color/contrast diminishment at what I consider to be very minimal angles. Like the slight but noticable fading of objects in a room which have been directly lit by the sun for a long time. Maybe some interpret it as a subtle difference, but it's driving me absolutely nuts. It's clearly an inferior picture to the one you see when seating dead center in front of the display. I've been monitoring the other related Toshiba (monitor only) thread, and I'm apparently in the extreme minority with this viewpoint.

I went back to BB today to look at how other LCD sets performed in off center viewing since at least one of my viewing seats in my family room is enough off center to have the picture be washed out on my 42HL196 (still clear but there is a lot of back light leakage which makes the picture look very over exposed).

What I saw was that several other models seemed to do much better at off center viewing than the Toshiba. The Sony and Samsung models seems to have no noticeable change when I went almost all the way out to 180 degrees. The Sharp seems to be about the same as my Toshiba.

My question is whether folks here believe that this issue is universal in the Toshiba LCD line or are some sets better than others which would indicate its a production issue similar to the ghost bars. I ask because the 42HL196 in BB seemed to have less of an off center viewing issue than the one I have at home. Perhaps it is just that the bright environment makes it harder to tell if the picture gets washed out. I appreciate your thoughts.

I posted a few weeks back about off axis viewing also. I had a Toshiba 47LZ196 for 24 days. Took it back because : 1) Had one faint ghost bar 11" in from the left side. 2) Was not uniform in brightness accross the screen. 3) Had poor off axis viewing. My sales guy offered me a new one, but I exchanged for A Misubishi LT-46231. It had off axis viewing more like the Sony, Sharps, and Samsung. It has no banding or ghost bar issues.
In fairness, I like the menus, and sound better on the Toshiba 47LZ196, but not much else. I wished I could have kept it. I love the full color spectrum of the Mitusbishi. The color spectrum is much like the Sonys without "cloudy" backlight disuniformity. The contrast ratio may have been a bit better on the Toshiba. But I can't reconcile poor off axis viewing on a $3,000 HDTV; when I have very good off axis viewing on a cheaper $600 Philips 26PG5321D 26" LCD HDTV. There are a lot of things us consumers are noticing in picture quality now that we have higher resolution screens. Aren't there?! :rolleyes:

the ghostbars were too much for me. finally received a replacement HL196 after months of complaining to toshiba. i think they just wanted to shut me up. whatever. it worked. i suggest everyone do the same. however after months of dealing with this- setting up the replacement i had my doubts. first, the manufacturing date was june 06, where my last set was aug. 06. second, the delivery guys told me to wait a few hours to turn it on so that it could adjust to room temperature. it made sense, so i waited. when it finally came time to power up, i held my breath, put in dvd with a solid light blue backround and alas!! no ghostbars. i was completely elated and relieved...until i started setting it up and noticed severe light leakage from all four corners of the set. this particular annoying feature is only visable when the screen is black or im watching something in letter box. anyone notcie this? am i being too picky? should i just give up and except the fact that none of this technology is perfect. i never noticed this on the previous set. i tried lowering the backlight and adjusting other settings but nothing helped. anyone?

I don't think you should have to settle, especially if Toshiba is willing to fix the problems you describe. At least they aren't saying it's normal (anyone own a Ford F350?).

I'm not 100% happy with my set but I do enjoy the picture it produces. I will see if there are any annoying flaws this weekend when HD is installed. Having said that, these concerns are precisely why I elected to go with the 4 year extended warranty.

I don't think you should have to settle, especially if Toshiba is willing to fix the problems you describe. At least they aren't saying it's normal (anyone own a Ford F350?).

I'm not 100% happy with my set but I do enjoy the picture it produces. I will see if there are any annoying flaws this weekend when HD is installed. Having said that, these concerns are precisely why I elected to go with the 4 year extended warranty.

Agreed. Definitely purchase an extended warranty with these units. The lowest price I've seen on a 5 year warranty is $148.95 from:

http://www.dsmiller.com/html/Electronics-Repair-Master-Warranty-A-RMT52500.htm

Have you seen a lower price anywhere? This is for the Warrantech Repair Master RMT52500 warranty plan.

Ok I started with the 32hl66 and decided I would need something bigger if it was going to last... so I upped by budget about 33% and went with the 37hlv66 (found it cheaper than the version w/o the dvd player somehow). So as I'm typing this I'm staring at the 37hlv66.

I am begining to wonder if I should move up to the 42in range to get into the 1080 native resolution (the native resolution of the 37 is 768). I have heard that at this size the difference is not noticable, but what about future proofing. Do you think within the next 10 years there will be substantial content I cant watch because it doesnt support 1080p? Also, the fact that I have to deinterlace and downscale every 1080i signal that comes in (which seems to be most of my HD content) makes me wonder if I am losing anything.

On a separate but very related note. I notice that when I plug the cable straight into the back of the set and use the QAM it displays the broadcast format (1080i or 720p), but the set is telling me it is getting a 1080i signal on every channel when I use the cable box connected via HDMI (actually the box has a dvi ouput and I use an adaptor to HDMI). I was testing this out because I am considering dropping my box as I havent really seen a difference in the picture and it only adds a couple of HD channels... althought discovery HD is awesome. I assume the phenomenon I mentioned above means my cable box is scaling everything to 1080i. I would think it would work better for me if I could get the box to scale to 720 becuase it would save my set the trouble, plus any signal that comes into my house as 720 has to be scaled to 1080 by the box and then back down to 720 by my set (seems like a lot of converting and room for signal corruption?). And something I am thinking now is that as long as my box can scale everything to 1080 I shouldnt have to worry about 1080p signals making my set obsolete.

Anyway, these are just some thoughts I have been having. I would appreciate any thoughts or information or suggestions anyone has.

I'm wondering what's going on with the manufacturing of the 42 line of sets. I'm waiting nearly a month for a replacement and when I went to the PC Richards I bought my set from the salesman told me they can't seem to get any of the HL or LX sets in. He even called there purchase dept for an answer while I was there and all they could say was that Toshiba had none to ship yet. I was told to wait a few more weeks. When I asked why other stores had sets I was told they probably got large orders months ago and stock them in there wharehouses, where PC Richards stocks few and buys as demand calls for them. He never has seen any set have these types of delay unless it's near a model change. Maybe Toshiba realizes these sets have problems and have either halted production to fix the problem. Whatever the problem PC Richards gave me he choice to either wait or pick a different model set.

Even go to the pcrichardandson web site and they show 2-3 week delays in ordering. Somethings up.

I'm wondering what's going on with the manufacturing of the 42 line of sets. I'm waiting nearly a month for a replacement and when I went to the PC Richards I bought my set from the salesman told me they can't seem to get any of the HL or LX sets in. He even called there purchase dept for an answer while I was there and all they could say was that Toshiba had none to ship yet. I was told to wait a few more weeks. When I asked why other stores had sets I was told they probably got large orders months ago and stock them in there wharehouses, where PC Richards stocks few and buys as demand calls for them. He never has seen any set have these types of delay unless it's near a model change. Maybe Toshiba realizes these sets have problems and have either halted production to fix the problem. Whatever the problem PC Richards gave me he choice to either wait or pick a different model set.

Even go to the pcrichardandson web site and they show 2-3 week delays in ordering. Somethings up.


Interesting thought that Toshiba might have halted production on these models. However, a quick call to customer service revealed that they're gearing up for production of the 2007 models which are due to hit the market in March. They're still making the 2006 models, but this might be why you're not able to get one.

It might be worth it to wait a month or 2 and see if the 2007's are any better as far as the issues with the ghost bars.

Follow up:

This morning I received a call from my salesman at PC Richards. He said and a I quote " I don't think we will be getting any more deliveries on the 42lx model. The only model available is the lz model which we don't carry. He had no other explanation but to say come in and see if there's another set that I would be interested in or offer a refund and pick up my set. I'm probably going to take the refund and wait a few months for the new models to hit the stores from all the manufactures. He did say Toshibas new line should start hitting the stores as early as march.

Looks like the HL / LX production line could be finished?

If true should make for interesting warranty claims. If the reason for the hault is because of the display and not the electronics how in the world are they going to address warranty issues 2 or 3 years down the road? The only resolution would be to replace the set with the lastest model.

I am REALLY glad I took the extended warranty now.

The PDF spec sheet says yes, but the PDF user guide I downloaded from a retailer does not mention it nor is a button shown on the remote. Can anyone confirm either way?

Thanks

This might be why I my store couldn't get me a replacement set. I'm sure there already building these considering they will be in stores next month. My PC Richards says they should have this line by mid march.


Toshiba's new HL167 line: Stepping up to the middle tier of the 2007 Regza line delivers models with full 1080p resolution (including a pixel-for-pixel native resolution mode that purists will no doubt enjoy). The HL167 models add ColorBurst (wide color gamut) and CE-Link compatibility (the latter with infrared passthrough, for increased interdevice communication). Models will be available in 42-inch (42HL167, March/April), 47-inch (47HL167, June/July), and 52-inch (52HL167, June/July) screen sizes.

LX177 line: At the top of the lineup is Toshiba's flagship Cinema Series. In addition to all of the features offered on the HL167 line, these models will also deliver 120Hz refresh rate ("ClearFrame") and Ethernet connectivity. (Toshiba also hints that the Cinema Series models offer HDMI 1.3--"Deep Color and xvYCC technology for enhanced color space. The four top tier models--the 42LX177, the 46LX177, the 52LX177, and the 57LX177--range in size from 42 to 57 inches and are scheduled to hit stores in the June/July time frame

It seems that the LZ model has been discontinued for 2007, there's only the HL and LX which now is the top of the line.

Odd, shop in Toledo was to have received a few 42LX196 models. But I am waiting for them to get a 42LZ196 which they say they have on order. But the salesman that told me that may not be accurate since he came back with info on the LX model when I said the LZ. That was 3 days ago. Time will tell.

Ok I started with the 32hl66 and decided I would need something bigger if it was going to last... so I upped by budget about 33% and went with the 37hlv66 (found it cheaper than the version w/o the dvd player somehow). So as I'm typing this I'm staring at the 37hlv66.

I am begining to wonder if I should move up to the 42in range to get into the 1080 native resolution (the native resolution of the 37 is 768). I have heard that at this size the difference is not noticable, but what about future proofing. Do you think within the next 10 years there will be substantial content I cant watch because it doesnt support 1080p? Also, the fact that I have to deinterlace and downscale every 1080i signal that comes in (which seems to be most of my HD content) makes me wonder if I am losing anything.

On a separate but very related note. I notice that when I plug the cable straight into the back of the set and use the QAM it displays the broadcast format (1080i or 720p), but the set is telling me it is getting a 1080i signal on every channel when I use the cable box connected via HDMI (actually the box has a dvi ouput and I use an adaptor to HDMI). I was testing this out because I am considering dropping my box as I havent really seen a difference in the picture and it only adds a couple of HD channels... althought discovery HD is awesome. I assume the phenomenon I mentioned above means my cable box is scaling everything to 1080i. I would think it would work better for me if I could get the box to scale to 720 becuase it would save my set the trouble, plus any signal that comes into my house as 720 has to be scaled to 1080 by the box and then back down to 720 by my set (seems like a lot of converting and room for signal corruption?). And something I am thinking now is that as long as my box can scale everything to 1080 I shouldnt have to worry about 1080p signals making my set obsolete.

Anyway, these are just some thoughts I have been having. I would appreciate any thoughts or information or suggestions anyone has.

After all kinds of reading and mind changing I just ordered the 32HLV66 as a TV for our master bedroom. I wouldn't normally want a built in DVD player but in the bedroom it's a nice bonus. Viewing angle shouldn't be an issue since we'll just watch it from the bed and 720p should be fine for a 32" in a bedroom. I've got a 1080i CRT RPTV in the theater room. I'll be picking up a second ViP622 HD DVR to use with our Dish Network programming. Thanks to everyone contributing to this thread and I imagine I'll be spending some time here once the set arrives on Thursday.

Has anyone noticed when checking for ghost bars that there appears to be a vertical dividing line right down the middle of the screen? I have done various tests to see if I have ghost bars on my 42HL196 and have not seen any. But, I can observe this line on some bright background shots (like sky shots of golf for example). I went to look at the floor model at Fry's and sure enough when I changed to an empty input and cranked up the backlight and brightness I could see the same verticle line in the middle of the screen. It almost looks like they took two smaller LCD panels and stuck them together (I have no idea if this is even possible). Anyone else notice this?

Who cares if you can see the picture clearly from 170 or 180 degrees??
The point is that the color starts to wash out when you get 30 degrees off center. If you have more than three or four people watching the TV at a time, someone is going to end up 30-45 degrees off center. This is still what I would consider to be a "normal" angle for watching TV. The change in saturation isn't huge, but it is noticeable.

Since the tint stays the same, it doesn't bother me too much. But I can see how some people would find it troublesome, depending on their seating arrangement.

This might be why I my store couldn't get me a replacement set. I'm sure there already building these considering they will be in stores next month. My PC Richards says they should have this line by mid march.


Toshiba's new HL167 line: Stepping up to the middle tier of the 2007 Regza line delivers models with full 1080p resolution (including a pixel-for-pixel native resolution mode that purists will no doubt enjoy). The HL167 models add ColorBurst (wide color gamut) and CE-Link compatibility (the latter with infrared passthrough, for increased interdevice communication). Models will be available in 42-inch (42HL167, March/April), 47-inch (47HL167, June/July), and 52-inch (52HL167, June/July) screen sizes.

LX177 line: At the top of the lineup is Toshiba's flagship Cinema Series. In addition to all of the features offered on the HL167 line, these models will also deliver 120Hz refresh rate ("ClearFrame") and Ethernet connectivity. (Toshiba also hints that the Cinema Series models offer HDMI 1.3--"Deep Color and xvYCC technology for enhanced color space. The four top tier models--the 42LX177, the 46LX177, the 52LX177, and the 57LX177--range in size from 42 to 57 inches and are scheduled to hit stores in the June/July time frame

It seems that the LZ model has been discontinued for 2007, there's only the HL and LX which now is the top of the line.

From what I hear the 2006 HL line is finished it's inventory only on that model. The 42hl167's are slated to be in our store the week of 3/19. We can't get any LX,s in stock either even though we hear that's still in production. I would think the LX model will be finished soon as well. The New HL167 is true 1080p through hdmi that would leave 2006's lx model as the only set that's still only 1080i, who would want it?

Seems like Toshiba couldn't get rid of last years models fast enough. Maybe they had ore complaints than they wish to admit to.

On a separate but very related note. I notice that when I plug the cable straight into the back of the set and use the QAM it displays the broadcast format (1080i or 720p), but the set is telling me it is getting a 1080i signal on every channel when I use the cable box connected via HDMI (actually the box has a dvi ouput and I use an adaptor to HDMI). I was testing this out because I am considering dropping my box as I havent really seen a difference in the picture and it only adds a couple of HD channels... althought discovery HD is awesome. I assume the phenomenon I mentioned above means my cable box is scaling everything to 1080i. I would think it would work better for me if I could get the box to scale to 720 becuase it would save my set the trouble, plus any signal that comes into my house as 720 has to be scaled to 1080 by the box and then back down to 720 by my set (seems like a lot of converting and room for signal corruption?). And something I am thinking now is that as long as my box can scale everything to 1080 I shouldnt have to worry about 1080p signals making my set obsolete.

Anyway, these are just some thoughts I have been having. I would appreciate any thoughts or information or suggestions anyone has.

Your box is scaling everything to 1080i. See if it has a 'pass-through' mode setting to allow the native resolution to feed your set.

I just recently got the 37HLV66 as part of the Best Buy sale (with the free massage chair). Good deal and great set for the money. Wife wanted the built in DVD player. I was an early adopter with a Sharp 32GD6U with CableCard (which I still have).

Currently I run the (Comcast basic) cable directly in and take advantage of the internal QAM tuner and unencrypted digital channels. The HD picture is great and the SD picture is surprisingly good on both analog and digital stations - probably better than the 27" CRT it replaced. We watch SD in native aspect ratio (pillar bars) and I dialed down the out of box 'torch mode' to achieve optimum SD quality. I also agree with the other poster and recommend optimizing signal strength/quality in for best results (minimize splitters, direct feed if possible, etc.)

I don't have any viewing angle issues with this set but I don't really have any need to watch to far off center. Blacks are really good.

I do wish there was a feature to label the individual channels. The Toshiba found all of the available unencrypted digital channels (both SD and HD). Two of the HD channels have the same id of '0-0' which optimally I would relabel. I took care of it by mapping all the HD channels to the 'favorites'. We scroll mainly through those for our viewing and have gotten used to the fact that the first '0-0' that comes up is NBC-HD and the second is FOX-HD.

This may have already been mentioned somewhere in this thread but how does one determine the build date on the 42LZ196? Is it possible to do it from the box as well? Thanks in advance!

I believe there is a manufacturers date on a sticker on the back. Either that or you have to enter the service menu (scary)

From what I hear the 2006 HL line is finished it's inventory only on that model. The 42hl167's are slated to be in our store the week of 3/19. We can't get any LX,s in stock either even though we hear that's still in production. I would think the LX model will be finished soon as well. The New HL167 is true 1080p through hdmi that would leave 2006's lx model as the only set that's still only 1080i, who would want it?

Seems like Toshiba couldn't get rid of last years models fast enough. Maybe they had ore complaints than they wish to admit to.

Since you are showing this item on order for your store, do you know what the MSRP will be on the 42HL197? Thanks.

The point is that the color starts to wash out when you get 30 degrees off center. If you have more than three or four people watching the TV at a time, someone is going to end up 30-45 degrees off center. This is still what I would consider to be a "normal" angle for watching TV. The change in saturation isn't huge, but it is noticeable.



EXACTLY. I see the color and contrast begin to fade from as little as 20-25 degrees to either side. That's effectively providing you with a total of only 45-50 degrees of optimal viewing range. If you have three people viewing at once, you better be crammed together like sardines on that sofa. :D

Yes, the picture is certainly still clear beyond those angles, and while the color and contrast fading is fairly subtle at first, I find it difficult to sit even slightly off to the side when I know that optimal picture viewing can only be achieved from in front of the panel (specifically, your eyes must be positioned somewhere within the panel frame to achieve optimal picture quality). Of course, by the time you get as far as 60-80 degrees off to the side, picture fade is substantial. But that's not the issue. It's the subtle but very real picture diminishment found at entirely reasonable (read:shallow) angles which irritates me.

Since you are showing this item on order for your store, do you know what the MSRP will be on the 42HL197? Thanks.


We have an estimate of delivery and price but it's not official yet. 42HL197 2,299.00.

can someone please confirm that the Toshiba REGZA 37HLV66 indeed does have a cablecard slot?

the specs do not clearly indidcate

this tv has caught my eye and may be a perfect fit for my bedroom. any gotcha's?

mine doesnt have a cable card slot

hey gang.

i'm really interested in the 37hlv66 set for our bedroom. i actully am drawn to the integrated dvd player and the QAM tuner.

one thing i'm noticing is the pricing is REALLY all over the place. how do i make sure i don't get screwed on the warranty while still getting the best price? is toshiba a stickler when it comes to warranty work and authorized retailers? obviously just looking to save some money without getting burned.

feel free to pm me. thanks.

/edit

also, what is the vesa pattern on the back for mounting? 200 x 200?

i have my eye on this mount. i like that it comes out from the wall about ~20" or so to allow for a good swivel.

http://www.omnimount.com/consumer/product.aspx?ProductId=e23e635e-389a-4fea-a7d1-e0c0b305d01f&CurrentId=1.2.3.3

fournm
Do not let them convince you this was by design. I mean, come on. They're not going to convince me that they deliberately added these bands. Can't see developers sitting around the table trying to figure out what was missing from this set. Wait a second, how about annoying bands of varying density down either side of the panel? Great idea!

I posted a while back stating that I was glad they haven't followed Ford and started to turn warranty claims away because of "design features". Well, I guess I was wrong.

hey gang.

i'm really interested in the 37hlv66 set for our bedroom.

one thing i'm noticing is the pricing is REALLY all over the place. how do i make sure i don't get screwed on the warranty while still getting the best price?


Toshiba authorized dealers:

http://webmail.tacp.com/sales/contactsw.nsf/Etailer?openform

Maybe I'm just lucky, but as I posted previously Toshiba has agreed to replace this set for me (42HL196). I wasn't told it was "by design"; I emailed a photo of the problem to customer service and they passed it along to their technicians: "bad LCD panel -- tell customer we're going to arrange for a replacement unit to be shipped and we'll pick up the defective one."

Toshiba called me this morning and here's what they're going to do:

They're going to upgrade the unit from the 42HL196 to the 42LX196 cinema series, so I'm extremely pleased. I'm hoping there's no issue with the ghost bars! I won't have it for another few weeks...I'll post back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I've read anything about the LX series having this problem so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

We sold both HL and LX sets and both had ghost bars, I don't know about the LZ line since we don't carry it. Incase you don't read older posts I did notice sets with december manufacture dates didn't show ghost bars.

I've posted my dilema with my set. Now PC Richards says I must take another model set in place of the Toshiba 42lx196 which they can not order anylonger (they said again it's out of production). In anyones opinion what model sets out now would be a good replacement for my toshiba? There offering the sony 40 inch 2500 in place of it. I paid 1,729 for my 42lx196. Is this sony any good?

Has anyone noticed when checking for ghost bars that there appears to be a vertical dividing line right down the middle of the screen? I have done various tests to see if I have ghost bars on my 42HL196 and have not seen any. But, I can observe this line on some bright background shots (like sky shots of golf for example). I went to look at the floor model at Fry's and sure enough when I changed to an empty input and cranked up the backlight and brightness I could see the same verticle line in the middle of the screen. It almost looks like they took two smaller LCD panels and stuck them together (I have no idea if this is even possible). Anyone else notice this?


That's the reason Why I'm getting rid of my set. The center grey bar that's visible only on certian backgrounds. Some can live with it, It started to bother me.

I've posted my dilema with my set. Now PC Richards says I must take another model set in place of the Toshiba 42lx196 which they can not order anylonger (they said again it's out of production). In anyones opinion what model sets out now would be a good replacement for my toshiba? There offering the sony 40 inch 2500 in place of it. I paid 1,729 for my 42lx196. Is this sony any good?

First of all, the 42LX196 is NOT out of production...Toshiba has them. Check with someone else or call Toshiba @ 800-631-3811 for verification of this. PC Richards is giving you the run around on this one.

Second of all, it depends on which Sony they're offering. You say they want to give you a 40" to replace a 42"? Deal or no deal? I'd say "NO DEAL!!" You bought a 42" set for a reason; it doesn't matter how much the new Sony costs...you want to be sure you're getting the best picture possible. If it's the Sony KDL-40XBR2, then maybe; it got very good ratings from consumer reports (see previous post). If it's anything else, then no way.

If I were you, I'd get my money back and get the 42LX from an online dealer...many of them have them in stock. Check one call.com, crutchfield.com, amazon.com. All in stock, ready to ship and all reputable authorized Toshiba dealers.

that tv is bad...42hl196, had it for 2 weeks, could not adjust settings ghost bars never faded, after dropping 2 grand, i took it back to best buy and got samsung 1080p 40 inch.......on top of it, rezga tv is not 1080p, my ps3 immediately identified samsung tv as 1080p....buyer beware with that model...

My 32HLV66 arrived a day earlier than expected today from an authorized online retailer. My second ViP622 HD DVR hasn't arrived yet so I hooked up an SD Dish receiver and a Comcast line since I get basic cable with my internet. I tweaked it quickly by eye, mostly to get it out of torch mode.

The satellite SD looks about as good as I could expect considering the compression. An upconverted DVD looked great with the built in player.
I was dissapointed that it didn't detect any unencrypted digital channels from the cable connected to Ant 1. I only got 2-13 after the scan.

I'll be able to tell much more once I get the HD from Dish connected by HDMI. So far though I'm pretty pleased.

I'd be very interested if anyone would be willing to share settings that they found to be best.

ANYONE EVER BUY FROM *******.COM? I SEE THEY HAVE THE 42LZ196 ON SALE FOR 1,799. Seems like a super price.

that tv is bad...42hl196, had it for 2 weeks, could not adjust settings ghost bars never faded, after dropping 2 grand, i took it back to best buy and got samsung 1080p 40 inch.......on top of it, rezga tv is not 1080p, my ps3 immediately identified samsung tv as 1080p....buyer beware with that model...

Is this discussion about 1080p and 1080i getting kinda old, or is it my imagination?

Once more: there is no difference between 1080p and 1080i:

The progressive-scan versions of the 1080-line resolution is known as 1080p. Current digital television broadcast systems and standards are not equipped for 1080p50/60 transmission. Also, the majority of consumer televisions offered for sale are currently not equipped to receive or decode a 1080p signal at any frequency. It is less bandwidth-intensive to broadcast a film at 1080p24 than 1080i60, since 20% less data would be transferred. In addition, when the source material is 24 frames per second, as are most films, it would be easy to convert a 1080p24 broadcast to an NTSC 1080i60 format using a 3:2 pulldown process. Moreover, displaying a p24 broadcast on an i50 system (such as PAL) requires the speed of video and audio be increased by over 4% (to 25 frames per second).

Therefore a hybrid is often used for films and the like: the frames (25 or 30 per second) are segmented into two interlaced fields with equal time index (psf, progressive in or with segmented frames). The deinterlacer has to perform a simple weave only. This ensures compatibility with 1080i50/60 with only little less coding efficiency than 1080p25/30 and half the bandwidth requirement of 1080p50/60, but the SDTV problems of PAL speed-up and Telecine judder remain.

It is less efficient to transmit any signal with a frame rate significantly higher than that of its source, which is 24fps for films; however, frame differencing in the compression standards used for HDTV transmission greatly reduce the wasted bandwidth in these cases.

The Toshiba REGZA line of LCD panels are capable of taking your 1080i input and upconverting it 1080p. Therefore: IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE INPUT IS 1080p OR NOT...YOU GET THE SAME RESULT!!

Let's move on to something else, OK?

that tv is bad...42hl196, had it for 2 weeks, could not adjust settings ghost bars never faded, after dropping 2 grand, i took it back to best buy and got samsung 1080p 40 inch.......on top of it, rezga tv is not 1080p, my ps3 immediately identified samsung tv as 1080p....buyer beware with that model...

Hi, I heard that the samsung had overscanning!

I myself have a 42LZ192, and I pretty pleased with it, except that I'm suffering from the ghost bars. I got one dividing the screen in two equal parts, and some other minors. All are vertical. I love the pic quality and the setting tweaking you can do.

Anyway, I hope you will enjoy your new TV.

edit: BTW, I will try and get some pics of my bars if you guys would love to...

Is this discussion about 1080p and 1080i getting kinda old, or is it my imagination?

Once more: there is no difference between 1080p and 1080i:

The progressive-scan versions of the 1080-line resolution is known as 1080p. Current digital television broadcast systems and standards are not equipped for 1080p50/60 transmission. Also, the majority of consumer televisions offered for sale are currently not equipped to receive or decode a 1080p signal at any frequency. It is less bandwidth-intensive to broadcast a film at 1080p24 than 1080i60, since 20% less data would be transferred. In addition, when the source material is 24 frames per second, as are most films, it would be easy to convert a 1080p24 broadcast to an NTSC 1080i60 format using a 3:2 pulldown process. Moreover, displaying a p24 broadcast on an i50 system (such as PAL) requires the speed of video and audio be increased by over 4% (to 25 frames per second).

Therefore a hybrid is often used for films and the like: the frames (25 or 30 per second) are segmented into two interlaced fields with equal time index (psf, progressive in or with segmented frames). The deinterlacer has to perform a simple weave only. This ensures compatibility with 1080i50/60 with only little less coding efficiency than 1080p25/30 and half the bandwidth requirement of 1080p50/60, but the SDTV problems of PAL speed-up and Telecine judder remain.

It is less efficient to transmit any signal with a frame rate significantly higher than that of its source, which is 24fps for films; however, frame differencing in the compression standards used for HDTV transmission greatly reduce the wasted bandwidth in these cases.

The Toshiba REGZA line of LCD panels are capable of taking your 1080i input and upconverting it 1080p. Therefore: IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE INPUT IS 1080p OR NOT...YOU GET THE SAME RESULT!!

Let's move on to something else, OK?

OK! I got it... I should say, I knew it from the start. BUT, do you think there's also no difference between a deinterlaced 1080i and a pure 1080p signal? Like say we plug into the tv a PS3 or a BD. I read that the difference is to be seen only if you sit real near of the tv... but, I'm proud to have the signal unmodified from my PS3. I would like to know what you think of this, because that is unclear for me right now. Should I've got the LX instead of the LZ model?

;)

thank you

OK! I got it... I should say, I knew it from the start. BUT, do you think there's also no difference between a deinterlaced 1080i and a pure 1080p signal? Like say we plug into the tv a PS3 or a BD. I read that the difference is to be seen only if you sit real near of the tv... but, I'm proud to have the signal unmodified from my PS3. I would like to know what you think of this, because that is unclear for me right now. Should I've got the LX instead of the LZ model?

;)

thank you

HD DVD and Blu-ray content is 1080p/24. If your player outputs a 60-Hz signal (that is, one that your TV can display), the player is adding (creating) the 3:2 sequence. So, whether you output 1080i or 1080p, it is still inherently the same information. The only difference is in whether the player interlaces it and your TV deinterlaces it, or if the player just sends out the 1080p signal directly. If the TV correctly deinterlaces 1080i, then there should be no visible difference between deinterlaced 1080i and direct 1080p (even with that extra step). There is no new information—nor is there more resolution, as some people think. This is because there is no new information with the progressive signal. It's all based on the same original 24 frames per second.

Two caveats: Some Blu-ray players can output 1080p/24. If your TV can accept 1080p/24, then it is adding the 3:2 sequence, unless it is one of the very few TVs that can change its refresh rate. Pioneer plasmas can change their refresh rate to 72 Hz, and they do a simple 3:3 pulldown (showing each film frame three times). This looks slightly less jerky.

If you're a gamer, then there is a difference, as 1080p/60 from a computer can be 60 different frames per second (instead of 24 different frames per second doubled and tripled, as with movie content). It is unlikely that native 1080p/60 content will ever be broadcast or distributed in wide numbers. The reasons for this are too numerous to get into here.


Without question, it would be better if all TVs accepted a 1080p input. (Read that again). What I hope this points out is this: if you have a 1080p TV that only accepts 1080i, you're not missing any resolution.

In short, I do NOT think there is any NOTICEABLE difference between the 2 signals as displayed on a 1080p set such as Toshiba. If the set was not capable of displaying a 1080p signal and could only display a 1080i signal, I think there would be a difference. As long as the unit is upconverting the interlaced signal there is no difference.


The LZ196 is part of Toshiba's Cinema Series Pro. It's their top of the line set in this series. It's compatible with a 1080p signal through the HDMI input, and it has more adjustments for the colors and picture quality of any Toshiba TV. Since it is able to accept a 1080p signal, this might be important if you're using your PS3 with it. (Sorry, I sound like an ad for Toshiba)

Hope this helps.

So I am just about ready to pull the trigger on a 26" Regza but am somewhat concerned about the ghost bars. The narrow viewing angle is ok but I am not sure how picky I may get after seeing ghost bars. Are the ghost bars really a big problem?

Demo, demo, demo. Spend some time viewing the model in store. Play with the settings to see if you'll be happy with the display. I myself am sure I have them based on manufacturer date but I'm not going to try to find them. So far it has not distracted my viewing.

My 32HLV66 arrived a day earlier than expected today...

I was dissapointed that it didn't detect any unencrypted digital channels from the cable connected to Ant 1. I only got 2-13 after the scan.



this concerns me a little bit. i literally just picked mine up. it's in my car.

one of the primary reasons i bought it was for the QAM tuner. who's your cable company/location?

this concerns me a little bit...
one of the primary reasons i bought it was for the QAM tuner.

The built-in QAM tuner is only capable of displaying unencrypted channels, unless you get a cable card. For most people, that means 4-10 HD unencrypted channels. No TV (from Toshiba or any other manufacturer) will have the decryption key. If you want more HD channels, you need a box or a cable card. The SD feeds for most non-premium cable channels are not encrypted, so your TV will get ESPN but not ESPN-HD.

Blame the cable companies for encrypting the content, not the TV manufacturers. They do not have the decryption keys, so the best they can do is offer the cable card slot.

yeah, no i think you misread. he's saying he didn't get ANYTHING. even unecrpyted channels. i realize all i'm going to get without an antenna is locals and i'm totally cool with that.

that's why that post concerned me.

i would love to have a set with cablecard, but i would have had to step up to a 42" and for this application (our bedroom on a cantelever arm) it would have been just too big. besides, i think we may move, so i didn't want to dump a bunch of money into something that may not last or keep me happy in a larger bedroom.

btw, thanks to all who pm'd me with their feedback on the XXHLV66

can't wait to get home and unbox it. :)

To Michael Whan and Billymac,

Don't know if this applies to Toshiba, but when i did the initial set-up scan on my (Sharp) TV I had to tell it to look for Analog or Digital or Both. If I had said Analog (since I have only "analog" cable) the QAM would not have identified any digital/HD channels. I said "Both" and got a bunch of digital channels in addition to standard cable channels.

/Dan

I was dissapointed that it didn't detect any unencrypted digital channels from the cable connected to Ant 1. I only got 2-13 after the scan.

I think your Ant 1 input is configured for Air instead of Cable, so it's not scanning with the QAM tuner. Under setup, go to input configuration.

yeah, no i think you misread. he's saying he didn't get ANYTHING. even unecrpyted channels. i realize all i'm going to get without an antenna is locals and i'm totally cool with that.

Whoops, my bad...I misread the original post. FWIW, my QAM tuner gets the unencrypted channels. Fireshoes' suggestion is a good one.

I think your Ant 1 input is configured for Air instead of Cable, so it's not scanning with the QAM tuner. Under setup, go to input configuration.

yeah, that's exactly what happened to me. as soon as i switched to cable and rescanned it was fine.

any tricks or tips for getting rid of the one's that don't show up? there's a ton and it seems like it would take forever manually doing it. i guess no big deal but it would be nice if there was some sort of shortcut.

beautiful set though. i'm really happy. watched some HD on it last night, CSI, ER, etc. i made a great choice. painting our bedroom tonight/tomorrow and will get it wall mounted with the omnimount FP-CL. can't wait. it's going to be perfect for our bedroom.

Hi, First time poster from Mexico, got the 42HL196 a few days ago. The PQ from over the air HD exceeded my expectations. PQ from dvd (progressive) over component is just good. Like it has been mentioned, the view angle range could be much better, but that is not an issue for me. The sad part is that i do have a few vertical bands, not the ones in the edges, but in the center. Some about 3 inches wide and some thinner than an inch. About 6 bands total. They are very faint and not visible 95% of the time, but when there is horizontal panning over an opaque color (like a grey), the bands show and distract me from my viewing. They are noticeable for example when watching soccer (lots of horizontal panning over green). I can also see them on an "empty" input with the contrast down to 0 and the brightness and backlight at 100%

A couple technicians from the store came to look at my set yesterday and they admitted to seing the bands on a panning over blue sky (from one epi of LOST dvd), and also on the input with no signal. They mentioned they see these bands on other brands (sony, samsung) on empty inputs also, so it was "normal" to them for LCDs. However they agreed to bring another set tomorrow and they will stay here to do some tests with the new tv. Hopefully it will have less or no banding.

By the way, my bands don't show AT ALL over bright colors (i have read other people testing for banding with bright whites).

I will post pictures of my banding when i can and i will report back on how it went with the replacement. My set has a manufacturing date of December 2006.

Complain like HELL!!!!!!! Don't let them tell you this is by design. Ask them why they designed this unit to have visible bars on both sides of the screen. What kind of design is that exactly?!? My 6 year old could do a better job of designing a TV than that!!

I've been on the phone with Toshiba for the past week and started feel like I was getting the run-around. I finally emailed a photo of the ghost bars to the customer service rep...she forwarded it to their tech support and they called me back today:

They're going to arrange for a replacement set to be delivered!! YEAH!!!!!

Now my question is, will the new set have the ghost bars or not? On the current set, they're very subtle and only show on brightly colored backgrounds; especially when the image pans, like when watching football or hockey. It just bothers me knowing that they're there.

I think I'm going to have to set up the new unit when they deliver it to be sure it's not the same or worse before I let them take the old set away.


The saga continues...

Toshiba asked me to send the television to another service depot and after calling that 2nd service depot, on the phone, they actually told me they had several calls regarding the same issue and could not do anything about it.

called Toshiba again (3rd time) and they actually wanted me to go through a third service depot. Of course, lost a bit of patience at that point and asked that the call be escalated to who knows who. So it seems now that the call has been escalated to the warranty department at Toshiba and they should contact me directly within 2 business days to arrange for a warranty replacement.

I keep my fingers crossed.

The TV I love, but the bars, can't live with them anymore.

Thanks.
Mathieu F.

I love it when you ask the BB or CC people about a problem and they say they've never had a complaint or return on x-tv and they havent seen a problem with it themselves. Those guys talk a big game but when it comes down to specs or facts they are totally in the dark. I love when I walk in there and say something like: i really like the SD picture on this set, but ive noticed an audio synching problem... first they deny seeing the lag, then they try to talk me into buying the $250 monster HDMI becuase "my signal bad." Another thing is that most of the sales at those stores are probably to middle aged men who are looking to get a new tv because the wife just redid the kitchen and I get to pick out a new toy too. They just go for the biggest brightest thing with sony written across the bottom or if the samsung is a better deal they'll take that too. If the salesman happened to talk them into toshiba they buy that and might even have it hooked-up to their non-HD cable box with RCA cords happier than a pig in whatever because the set is only 4in deep. They wouldnt see ghost bars if you painted them on with magic marker, and they dont want to return it because the wife might make them go smaller

sorry, ive been holding that in for a while, just had to let it out

I love it when you ask the BB or CC people about a problem and they say they've never had a complaint or return on x-tv and they havent seen a problem with it themselves. Those guys talk a big game but when it comes down to specs or facts they are totally in the dark. I love when I walk in there and say something like: i really like the SD picture on this set, but ive noticed an audio synching problem... first they deny seeing the lag, then they try to talk me into buying the $250 monster HDMI becuase "my signal bad." Another thing is that most of the sales at those stores are probably to middle aged men who are looking to get a new tv because the wife just redid the kitchen and I get to pick out a new toy too. They just go for the biggest brightest thing with sony written across the bottom or if the samsung is a better deal they'll take that too. If the salesman happened to talk them into toshiba they buy that and might even have it hooked-up to their non-HD cable box with RCA cords happier than a pig in whatever because the set is only 4in deep. They wouldnt see ghost bars if you painted them on with magic marker, and they dont want to return it because the wife might make them go smaller

sorry, ive been holding that in for a while, just had to let it out

That's funny! Especially the part with the ghost bars painted on with magic marker!

Has anyone figured out what Remote Control code works so that a REGZA remote can control a DirecTV HR20-700 HD DVR? I just want to be able to change channels, but neither the Hughes or the Hughes Network Systems remote codes work.

On that same note, for anyone with a REGZA with a built-in DVD player, have you been able to get the HR20 remote to control the REGZA using the HR20's AV1 switch?

Thanks!

Anybody on this board care to share their settings for the 42LX196?

Thanks.

I think your Ant 1 input is configured for Air instead of Cable, so it's not scanning with the QAM tuner. Under setup, go to input configuration.

I just went in and tried this and boy did it do the trick. I hit the jackpot and now get loads of stuff including some great HD. :D

Thanks very much for the suggestion and I apologize for any concern that I caused for others that there's wasn't going to work.

The built-in QAM tuner is only capable of displaying unencrypted channels, unless you get a cable card. For most people, that means 4-10 HD unencrypted channels. No TV (from Toshiba or any other manufacturer) will have the decryption key. If you want more HD channels, you need a box or a cable card. The SD feeds for most non-premium cable channels are not encrypted, so your TV will get ESPN but not ESPN-HD.

Blame the cable companies for encrypting the content, not the TV manufacturers. They do not have the decryption keys, so the best they can do is offer the cable card slot.

If I'm understanding correctly I should be getting pretty much all of the SD channels? I'm only getting SD 2-24 and then TNTHD, ESPNHD, ESPN2HD,DISC HD and IN-HD above that along with some music stuff. IT seems I'm not getting any Digital SD I think. Are those encrypted if you don't subscribe to a digital package or possibly filtered at the line?

If I'm understanding correctly I should be getting pretty much all of the SD channels? I'm only getting SD 2-24 and then TNTHD, ESPNHD, ESPN2HD,DISC HD and IN-HD above that along with some music stuff. IT seems I'm not getting any Digital SD I think. Are those encrypted if you don't subscribe to a digital package or possibly filtered at the line?

You should be subscribed to a digital package otherwise you won't get the digital channels. I'm not sure how you're getting the HD channels without a digital package. I have Comcast and in order to get HD, I have to have their digital channel package as well.

Well it appears I may never hear from the store in Toledo, Oh about the 42LZ196. It sure would have been nice to locate a store anywhere in the USA that actually carried it., besides on-line stores. I guess it could not have been a big seller. But how many here purchased that particular model & there opinion on it. I believe I saw 1 post on it also having some ghost bars problems.

Well it appears I may never hear from the store in Toledo, Oh about the 42LZ196. It sure would have been nice to locate a store anywhere in the USA that actually carried it., besides on-line stores. I guess it could not have been a big seller. But how many here purchased that particular model & there opinion on it. I believe I saw 1 post on it also having some ghost bars problems.

Tweeter has them in stock. They don't have any stores in Ohio, but there are a number in Pennsylvania...don't know how far you are from any of them. Check them out here:

http://www.tweeter.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2476722

They have a store locator on their site.

You should be subscribed to a digital package otherwise you won't get the digital channels. I'm not sure how you're getting the HD channels without a digital package. I have Comcast and in order to get HD, I have to have their digital channel package as well.

So if I upgrade to Digital Classic would I get more digital channels than are included in that package? I have a theory about the HD channels that I am getting. The funny thing is that they don't offer HD here on cable yet. I think they may be fooling around adding some unofficially without any announcement yet. I'm not picking up any HD locals off of cable. I use Dish Network for my HD needs.

Thanks!

So if I upgrade to Digital Classic would I get more digital channels than are included in that package?

Thanks!

No, if you upgrade to Digital Classic, you won't get more channels than are included in that package. You'll get whatever channels are included in that package that everyone else gets.

No, if you upgrade to Digital Classic, you won't get more channels than are included in that package. You'll get whatever channels are included in that package that everyone else gets.

That makes sense. It makes so much sense that I realize now that was a dumb question. Thanks for being kind and not pointing that out. :o

BTW ... back to the Toshiba topic. This set handles the HD with a fantastic picure even at 720p. I was afraid I may see a big difference between my 65" 1080i CRT RPTV and this one. I'm very pleased with the Toshiba's handling of 1080i, 720p cable signal and with the upconversion of the built in DVD player. Next week when my second Dish HD receiver arrives I'll try out the HDMI.

Tweeter has them in stock. They don't have any stores in Ohio, but there are a number in Pennsylvania...don't know how far you are from any of them. Check them out here:


They have a store locator on their site.
Went to site for info. Closest location was in --> Chicago. Toledo is in NW Ohio, not particulary close to Pa. Think I will forget this model & perhaps wait for the 2007 model.

I love it when you ask the BB or CC people about a problem and they say they've never had a complaint or return on x-tv and they havent seen a problem with it themselves. Those guys talk a big game but when it comes down to specs or facts they are totally in the dark. I love when I walk in there and say something like: i really like the SD picture on this set, but ive noticed an audio synching problem... first they deny seeing the lag, then they try to talk me into buying the $250 monster HDMI becuase "my signal bad." Another thing is that most of the sales at those stores are probably to middle aged men who are looking to get a new tv because the wife just redid the kitchen and I get to pick out a new toy too. They just go for the biggest brightest thing with sony written across the bottom or if the samsung is a better deal they'll take that too. If the salesman happened to talk them into toshiba they buy that and might even have it hooked-up to their non-HD cable box with RCA cords happier than a pig in whatever because the set is only 4in deep. They wouldnt see ghost bars if you painted them on with magic marker, and they dont want to return it because the wife might make them go smaller

sorry, ive been holding that in for a while, just had to let it out

Hmmm, most of the CC sales guys in my store gave me a funny stare when I asked them if I could switch to an SD feed. Then one of them says, "Uhhh, You mean HD? All of these TV's on this wall are HD TV's" I say, "No, I mean SD." Then he says, "Hmm.. Well what about digital cable?"..... DOH!!!!!!

hey, i'm going to be mounting my new 32hlv66 tomorrow in our bedroom and i was just wondering how you get the stand off. i've heard other say it wasn't a very intuitive process and i was looking at it tonight and i'm kind of scratching my head. can someone pm me or reply. thanks in advance.

Good luck and let us know how it goes. I'm waiting for my upgraded replacement from them, hopefully in about 2 weeks.

I was at BB today; the 42HL196 they had on display didn't have the ghost bars; the manufacture date was Dec. 2006. The sales person said he hadn't heard of any complaints with the Toshiba sets, but has had some problems with the Sharps and a few Sony's.

I'm wondering if all the manufacturers get their panels from the same place? I know there's a huge maker of LCD panels in China; I can't remember the name.

Oh well, as I said, good luck and let us know how you make out. Don't give up.

I had to go to my Local PC Richards yesterday to try and work something out since they no longer carry any of the toshiba sets ( HL or LX). The sales manager said the reason was that they were such poor sellers. I couldn't make a decision. The only choices I was givin was store credit, sony 40 inch 2500 or the sharp 4262. When i asked how those sets were on a complaint basis he said to be truthful with you every LCD we sell has some issues but the main reason people return them is that they compare SD viewing to the CRT's they are replacing. He took me into the warehouse behind the store and showed me numerous sony's , Sharps , LG's and smsungs that were slated to be returned back to the maunufactures (all customer returns). I did see some of the new sharp 92u models there but they weren't on display yet. When I asked him what set had the least amountof returns he was quick to say the Panasonic 60u even though it's plasma he said they don't come back. If I take store credit I'll be without a tv for a few months till the new models hit the shelves and then they'll be priced much higher. This whole situation stinks, maybe I'll just stick with the one bar I have in the middle of my screen. It only shows it's face on certian blue and white backgrounds. 1 thing i find funny is when i play a dvd through my playstation 3 on hdmi i don't see the center bar, Anyone know why?

I had to go to my Local PC Richards yesterday to try and work something out since they no longer carry any of the toshiba sets ( HL or LX). The sales manager said the reason was that they were such poor sellers. I couldn't make a decision. The only choices I was givin was store credit, sony 40 inch 2500 or the sharp 4262. When i asked how those sets were on a complaint basis he said to be truthful with you every LCD we sell has some issues but the main reason people return them is that they compare SD viewing to the CRT's they are replacing. He took me into the warehouse behind the store and showed me numerous sony's , Sharps , LG's and smsungs that were slated to be returned back to the maunufactures (all customer returns). I did see some of the new sharp 92u models there but they weren't on display yet. When I asked him what set had the least amountof returns he was quick to say the Panasonic 60u even though it's plasma he said they don't come back. If I take store credit I'll be without a tv for a few months till the new models hit the shelves and then they'll be priced much higher. This whole situation stinks, maybe I'll just stick with the one bar I have in the middle of my screen. It only shows it's face on certian blue and white backgrounds. 1 thing i find funny is when i play a dvd through my playstation 3 on hdmi i don't see the center bar, Anyone know why?


It would seem to me since they don't carry the set you want they would just give you your money back in order to make you happy and perhaps keep you as a customer on a future purchase. I would definitely argue for this outcome. The set had a defect (not your fault); you're willing to exchange it for the exact same set which they don't carry anymore (also not your fault). Tell them: MONEY BACK OR I'M TAKING THIS TO SMALL CLAIMS COURT. They sold you a defective product (technically not their fault) but they should be willing to make good on it.

Or tell them you'll take the store credit, but it's going to pay in full for a comparable unit when they come no matter what the price increase. Talk to the store manager directly; if you get nowhere, talk to the regional manager; and if you get nowhere with that put a call in to the CEO of PC Richards.

You shouldn't have to live with a defective TV. They should make good on this. If they can't take it up with Toshiba customer service. I have nothing but praise for them after they offered to replace and upgrade my set.

That's my thought. You have warranty. Go to Toshiba. They are bound by the warranty they offer to fix or replace.

Has anyone had their Regza tuned, either by DVD or professionally? Can anyone share their settings?

Thanks in advance.

It would seem to me since they don't carry the set you want they would just give you your money back in order to make you happy and perhaps keep you as a customer on a future purchase. I would definitely argue for this outcome. The set had a defect (not your fault); you're willing to exchange it for the exact same set which they don't carry anymore (also not your fault). Tell them: MONEY BACK OR I'M TAKING THIS TO SMALL CLAIMS COURT. They sold you a defective product (technically not their fault) but they should be willing to make good on it.

Or tell them you'll take the store credit, but it's going to pay in full for a comparable unit when they come no matter what the price increase. Talk to the store manager directly; if you get nowhere, talk to the regional manager; and if you get nowhere with that put a call in to the CEO of PC Richards.

You shouldn't have to live with a defective TV. They should make good on this. If they can't take it up with Toshiba customer service. I have nothing but praise for them after they offered to replace and upgrade my set.

PC Richards stinks. They do not return your money, they only will give store credit if you want another set you must put in the additional funds, plus they only carry a few 42 inch lcd sets. Sharp, LG and Samsung. They will send a repair shop to work on it, but to me that's unacceptable. Why should I be without a tv while some shop rips mine apart and tries to patch it up, especially since it's not even 3 months old. I will try to contact someone higher up tomorrow, I'm tired of hearing that's all we can do sorry. Thanks for the support.

I tuned mine with AVIA and it made quite a difference. I'd share my settings with you but trust me, they will not be ideal. I initially calibrated mine in the den then decided to move the set to the bedroom. The picture just didn't look right and I had to go through the calibration once again. Not completely different settings but not identical by any means.

Bottom line is my settings will be different than your settings which will be different than the next guy's. Do yourself a favour and pick up a disk.

Help...I hope someone can help answer this. I am looking at getting the 32hlv16 or 32hlv66. If viewing a standard non HD signal and using a "panoramic aspect mode" (everyone calls it something a little different it seems) : how unnatural is the stretch, especially at the sides of the picture?

I presently have an Akai which distorts the sides in this aspect mode so bad it is unwatchable, IMO. I prefer to stretch the standard 4:3 pic via the panoramic mode rather than fill the screen with the "full aspect" and get a somewhat squashed picture.

I also run a JVC which does an excellent job in panoramic mode by stretching and zooming slightly, thus rendering a very natural pic with just a hint of stetch at the sides.

Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks.

I'm sure others will chime in here but I find the zoom/stretch to be pretty good. You do of course loose content in "full zoom" but if you can live with that it's not bad.

Help...I hope someone can help answer this. I am looking at getting the 32hlv16 or 32hlv66. If viewing a standard non HD signal and using a "panoramic aspect mode" (everyone calls it something a little different it seems) : how unnatural is the stretch, especially at the sides of the picture?

I presently have an Akai which distorts the sides in this aspect mode so bad it is unwatchable, IMO. I prefer to stretch the standard 4:3 pic via the panoramic mode rather than fill the screen with the "full aspect" and get a somewhat squashed picture.

I also run a JVC which does an excellent job in panoramic mode by stretching and zooming slightly, thus rendering a very natural pic with just a hint of stetch at the sides.

Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks.

SD material can be displayed in the following modes:

Natural - 4:3 with pillars on each side (OAR)
Full - Linear stretching of the 4:3 image to fill the screen - no vertical cropping
TheaterWide 1: Non-linear stretch that leaves the center mostly unaltered - no vertical cropping
TheaterWide 2: image is stretched linearly to fill the screen and then stretched/cropped vertically - this is essentially a Zoom mode that is good for watching SD letterboxed shows (e.g., Battleship Galaxy)
TheaterWide 3: image is stretched linearly to fill the screen and then stretched/cropped vertically, however less so than with TW2 - this this is not a Zoom.

The image on TW2 and TW3 can be moved/panned up or down so that you can prevent people's heads from being cut off, or you can center on the letter boxed image.

I think TW3 is great for watching SD material, however it is not as good as the "Cinema" mode that my Pioneer Elite uses.

PC Richards stinks. They do not return your money, they only will give store credit if you want another set you must put in the additional funds, plus they only carry a few 42 inch lcd sets. Sharp, LG and Samsung. They will send a repair shop to work on it, but to me that's unacceptable. Why should I be without a tv while some shop rips mine apart and tries to patch it up, especially since it's not even 3 months old. I will try to contact someone higher up tomorrow, I'm tired of hearing that's all we can do sorry. Thanks for the support.


Problem is even though Toshiba says there maufacturing these sets have fun trying and getting one. Even on there web site if you try to find a store to purchase everything reads check avialibility. We give refunds for the first 30 days after that it's between the owner and the manufacturer. Something is fishy with this regza line. Best buy has stock on hand but try to get a order from toshiba forget it.

Toshiba might replace your set but ask it's probably a refurb. There famous for that.

TW1 also crops vertically but perhaps not as much as the other modes.

SD material can be displayed in the following modes:

Natural - 4:3 with pillars on each side (OAR)
Full - Linear stretching of the 4:3 image to fill the screen - no vertical cropping
TheaterWide 1: Non-linear stretch that leaves the center mostly unaltered - no vertical cropping
TheaterWide 2: image is stretched linearly to fill the screen and then stretched/cropped vertically - this is essentially a Zoom mode that is good for watching SD letterboxed shows (e.g., Battleship Galaxy)
TheaterWide 3: image is stretched linearly to fill the screen and then stretched/cropped vertically, however less so than with TW2 - this this is not a Zoom.

Problem is even though Toshiba says there maufacturing these sets have fun trying and getting one. Even on there web site if you try to find a store to purchase everything reads check avialibility. We give refunds for the first 30 days after that it's between the owner and the manufacturer. Something is fishy with this regza line. Best buy has stock on hand but try to get a order from toshiba forget it.

Toshiba might replace your set but ask it's probably a refurb. There famous for that.

just curious: why do you say something is "fishy" with it? the product is available if you look for it. best buy carries it, a large number of online dealers have it, i'm having one delivered next week direct from Toshiba.

if they're going to replace the set with a refurb, by law it MUST state so clearly on the box. if it's says "refurb", obviously you wouldn't accept it, would you?

i'm not sure why you're so down on the product. it gives an exellent picture, and if Toshiba is willing to stand behind it (which they have in my case) i'm happy.

if you're having a bad experience, take it up with the store where you bought yours or take it up with Toshiba.

you can purchase the regza line at any of these stores:

abt electronics
ibuydigital.com
advanced video and sound
6ave.com
abesofmaine.com
crutchfield
buy.com
dbuys.com
plasmawholesale.com
one call.com
mydigitaluniverse.com

i will agree with you that the Toshiba Cinema Series Pro REGZA line is not easy to find. this line is being manufactured in limited quantities to preserve its "premium" status. after all, you wouldn't want everyone on the block owning a top of the line Bugatti, would you? I'd be pretty p.o.'ed if i had one and my next door neighbor had one also!! bugatti (http://www.bugatti-cars.de/bugatti/index.html)

Hello. For anyone with the 42HL196 or the 42LX196, what is the PiP like? Is it like "classic" PiP where the image floats in a corner as an overlay? Or is just a split screen PoP? I can't find any descriptions saying PiP is an overlay anymore. The only thing I've come across is the manual for a (no longer made) 42" Toshiba projection which showed images of the overlay small PiP window, or an option for side by side PoP. Thanks for any info!

Hello. For anyone with the 42HL196 or the 42LX196, what is the PiP like? Is it like "classic" PiP where the image floats in a corner as an overlay? Or is just a split screen PoP? I can't find any descriptions saying PiP is an overlay anymore. The only thing I've come across is the manual for a (no longer made) 42" Toshiba projection which showed images of the overlay small PiP window, or an option for side by side PoP. Thanks for any info!

PIP on these sets is a side-by-side split screen. I'm not particulary fond of this as I find it difficult to see either image. Neither one fills its "half" of the screen fully. They're each more like a "mini" 4:3 image.

See this photo for how it looks:

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/24256/cat/508

I have a 42HL196 and went into the TV Guide hidden menus. The menu codes are posted elsewhere on avsforum. Nothing terribly interesting but being a geek, I took photos so I could study later. Here are those photos:

http://www.ericjung.com/Toshiba/

Here is what I learned (linked to individual photos if you click above).


The TV is aware that Daylight Savings Time will start earlier in 2007.
The Guide data download schedule for my area (times shown are GMT/UTC). Subtract 5 hours for local time.
My TV Guide host channel is analog 13 (WNET PBS New York).
Seems like the TV could control a modem. That's one possible way for the set to get data after the analog broadcast system is shut down. Many of the other screens are titled VBI, which leaves me concerned that analog VBI is the only possible data source.
The TV might have Easter Eggs hidden in it somewhere.

thinking about picking up the 42HL196 tonight, best buy canada has a good sale on for them.

this thread was very useful, especially the first 2/3rds of it. Stayed up until 4:30am or so reading it last night!

You won't be disappointed, however, do yourself a favor and purchase the extended warranty. It will be much easier to take if and when you start seeing the dreaded bars.

I've been trolling for quite some time reading the forums and doing a lot of research before I take the step from my JVC AV32D201 to an actual LCD. I'm quite taken by the 42LZ196. I haven't read all 1229 posts (maybe only 500 :P) but I got most of the info I need. A couple questions though if someone has the time to answer:

1). How's the eMail browsing on it? Work very good? Would it wourk with Gmail?
2). I've been reading a tonne about the ghostbars. Has it been particularily bad with this model? What the cause of it, bad panel manufacturing?

Thanks for a great thread guys!

I've been trolling for quite some time reading the forums and doing a lot of research before I take the step from my JVC AV32D201 to an actual LCD. I'm quite taken by the 42LZ196. I haven't read all 1229 posts (maybe only 500 :P) but I got most of the info I need. A couple questions though if someone has the time to answer:

1). How's the eMail browsing on it? Work very good? Would it wourk with Gmail?
2). I've been reading a tonne about the ghostbars. Has it been particularily bad with this model? What the cause of it, bad panel manufacturing?

Thanks for a great thread guys!

Not sure about the Email, but I can tell you that I am very happy with mine so far. It is a Dec manuf. date. I think there is a ghost bar or two but I have not looked any farther than white backgrounds panning. They are almost non existant and cannot be seen all the time. Not often at all for that matter. SO to be quite honest, I sometimes think its because I know about their possibility. The picture is great and you get a lot of options for changing how the picture looks. Nothing is perfect, but this tv definitely packs a punch.

On a side note, I am looking for a networking piece that will allow me to connect my tv to it and allow it to utilize my wireless network. Has anyone heard of such a piece, and if so, what is it called?

On a side note, I am looking for a networking piece that will allow me to connect my tv to it and allow it to utilize my wireless network. Has anyone heard of such a piece, and if so, what is it called?

I've been looking as well. I was told that there is/was a wireless attachment for the xbox that will work for this TV. I have not confirmed this but I did find a wireless gadget for the Xbox360. It was $130.00 though, too much just to listen to some music so I didn't buy it. I bought a Y adapter instead. 2 RCA's on one end, the other plugs into the headphone jack on an MP3 player or anything with a similar sized plug in (ie. laptop) and run through an AUX input on my receiver.

My parents have a 42HL196 scheduled for delivery today. My fingers are crossed for a December manufacture date, and more importantly, no ghost bars. But, assuming the best (or that they don't care/notice), I was wondering what the best way is to calibrate the display.

I have the Avia DVD from NetFlix currently, and I have used it on my old Sony SD CRT. However, I have a hard time seeing how many of these tests would be useful/accurate on an HD display (some patterns test for CRT specific issues). There will be an Oppo 970HD DVD player connected to the television. I know that it upscales, but it seems like this would be a dubious way to calibrate something.

They do not have an HD-DVD or BluRay player, so that is not an option (I believe I saw burnable HD test patterns that were only playable on an HD-DVD player). I have a laptop at my disposal (though nothing fancy, and I haven't paid much attention to whether this unit has a VGA input). So, what is the best thing to do? Soon they will have HD DirecTV, but it won't be for a few weeks. Is it correct that HDnet sometimes shows test patterns? I would think this might be the best one could do in these circumstances, but not perfect (or maybe it is).

Anyhow, any advice is welcome.

Nathan

Update;

After the mess with PC Richards I decided to call Toshiba again. They gave me a service center which I called and had a tech come over yesterday. He saw my set and called the faint grey bar center screen a backlight shadow. But the thing I found most interesting is he said every set 42 or larger in the 06 regza line has the center " shadow bar". He said it's very faint and 99% of the time you'll never see it unless your looking for it. Which I have to agree with I had the set for over a month and never noticed it till I started reading about ghost bars, which he says this is not. Ghost bars are lighter parts of the screen usually on the sides. There is no fix for this and replacing the set with a similar model would give you the same picture, maybe worse. His solution off the record was to live with it till the new model line is released and then if it still bothers you we'll go through the ropes and see if they'll replace the set with an 2007 model. That's what I'm doing.

Does anyone else see the center grey bar on very light backgrounds? Not side bars.

Does anyone else see the center grey bar are very light backgrounds? Not side bars.
Yes, I have one on my set. The center line is very narrow (maybe 1/2") and is much harder to see than my ghost bar, which is about 3" on the far right edge of the panel. I always thought the center line was less noticeable because it was smaller and content at the center of the screen tends to be more variable than at the edges, but I'd believe that they are two different issues.

Either way, I personally don't mind the center line much since I hardly ever see it, even when watching content where you'd expect it to be more pronounced. The side one is much, much more obvious. Maybe if I didn't have the big one on the side I'd be more bothered by the center :(

Does anyone else see the center grey bar on very light backgrounds? Not side bars.

My first set, July build, had very prominent center bar about 2" wide and semi noticable ghost bars.

My second set, August build, has no ghost bars and I've noticed a center bar once while watching an old B&W movie on anSD channel.

Could someone describe what Ghost Bars are? Doing a search finds the hundreds of posts that merely use the term, without explanation.

Thanks!

You will want to read pages 35 to present on this particular thread. There are a few pictures posted of what the ghost bar looks like.

picked up my new 42HL196 from BB last night :)

The box said November build, which I was a little worried about, but after getting the sucker out of the box, the TV itself actually said December build, which I was very happy to read!

We moved it into our new place, but we don't have cable hooked up yet (tommorow that will happen) so there wasn't a lot to check out. I will say one thing, I have never seen crisper snow!

General first impressions, amazing looking unit, very sleak... but thats all I can say about it so far!

Could someone describe what Ghost Bars are? Doing a search finds the hundreds of posts that merely use the term, without explanation.

Thanks!

this is a pic of what the bars look like while changing channels. you can clearly see the different shades of gray of the screen.

the bars are less noticable, but there, when there's an image. doesn't seem to matter what the input is (dvd, cable, tivo, etc.)

http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/23945/cat/508

After returning my cloudy Sony Bravia 40V2500 and receiving a second, even more cloudy replacement, I'm thinking of moving on to something else.

The Toshiba 42LZ196 Regza 42-inch caught my attention. I found an excellent review of the 46LZ196 Regza at Sound & Vision Online <http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2046/toshiba-47lz196-regza-47-inch-lcd-hdtv.html>.

As a long-time, devoted Sony customer I'm reluctant to give up the ghost and get something else, but I'm not willing to live with the clouds. And it's apparent that as Sony doesn't consider it a "defect", they're not going to do anything to make it better.

I'd appreciate any opinions on the Toshiba 4LZ196 Regza 42-inch. I'd also like to know whether the panel swivels on it's stand.

Also, any owners out there who might have a pdf of the owner's manual, or know where I can find one online? If so, please sent me a private message.

Thanks for your help.

i just wanted to say we're absolutely loving our new 32hlv66 in our bedroom.

32in is the perfect size (we almost went 37)

no ghost bars and the QAM tuner is awesome.

anybody consiering the XXHLV66 series, i highly recommend it.

After returning my cloudy Sony Bravia 40V2500 and receiving a second, even more cloudy replacement, I'm thinking of moving on to something else.

The Toshiba 42LZ196 Regza 42-inch caught my attention. I found an excellent review of the 46LZ196 Regza at Sound & Vision Online <http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/2046/toshiba-47lz196-regza-47-inch-lcd-hdtv.html>.

As a long-time, devoted Sony customer I'm reluctant to give up the ghost and get something else, but I'm not willing to live with the clouds. And it's apparent that as Sony doesn't consider it a "defect", they're not going to do anything to make it better.

I'd appreciate any opinions on the Toshiba 4LZ196 Regza 42-inch. I'd also like to know whether the panel swivels on it's stand.

Also, any owners out there who might have a pdf of the owner's manual, or know where I can find one online? If so, please sent me a private message.

Thanks for your help.

The review you posted clearly states: "This 47-incher has a commanding presence out of the box with its smart, gloss-black bezel with beveled edges, "hidden" speakers, and matte-black swivel stand.

That answers that question.

The review you posted clearly states: "This 47-incher has a commanding presence out of the box with its smart, gloss-black bezel with beveled edges, "hidden" speakers, and matte-black swivel stand.

That answers that question.

I guess I should have assumed that the swivel stand was also common to the 42", which was the specific model I was asking about. Thanks.

I’m not saying this is a bad television, since I don’t even own it, but I wonder if maybe the glowing, often-cited Sound & Vision review should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt. S&V put the 47LZ196 on the January 2007 cover (“The HDTV Issue”) with a banner blaring,

Screen Gem
Toshiba’s 47” LCD Is A Feast For The Eyes

Interestingly, the December 2006 edition included four consecutive pages of advertising that Toshiba purchased, all focusing on its LCD televisions. Perhaps this is just a coincidence. It is interesting, however, that in spite of S&V declaring this to be a “Gem” of a television, the review actually contained a very important caveat:

But in another scene of the wildlife show — a nearly still shot of the full moon against a dark sky — I noticed that the sky on either side of the screen seemed a little lighter than in the center. Earlier, I had observed that on dark gray test patterns, the Toshiba's image was slightly brighter in its far left and right zones than in the middle, and now here it was in program material.

Now, consumers posting on this thread are reporting ghost bars and distinctions in brightness between two halves of the screen. One consumer reports that a Toshiba service tech says all the Toshiba LCDs have this, and maybe it will get fixed in next year’s models. This television costs about $3,500, which is far too much to pay for what is really a laughable defect. One buys such a television only in search of a marvelous, defect free picture that has uniformity from one edge to the other—not one that has bands or zones of distinct contrast or brightness.

All the flashy, big-screen LCDs that look good under the bright lights of your favorite retailer have some type of screen defect: ghost bars, shadow bars, banding, clouds, white lines, or flashlights. None of the major, big-screen LCD manufacturers are excluded from this club; Sony, Samsung, Toshiba, and Mitsubishi are founding members, with Mitsubishi buyers perhaps reporting the fewest problems. If you are the type of consumer who notices such things and is bothered by them, you should not purchase LCD at this time. If you’re not that type of consumer, just forget you ever read this and stop poking around these threads.

1). How's the eMail browsing on it? Work very good? Would it wourk with Gmail?


The email feature is great, however it is somewhat limited.

(1) It can check email from POP3 and SMTP mail servers. MAPI is not supported, and I don't know about IMAP mail servers. I have it working with my Comcast email system which is a POP3/SMTP solution.
(2) It can let you view attachments such as pictures, but have to be small.
(3) Large emails cannot be viewed at all.
(4) It doesn't support HTML or RTF at all, only plain text emails. If you receive an HTML message, it displays it as a text file so you see all the HTML markups.
(5) You can schedule it to check your email every 5 minutes or so.
(6) As new email arrives, it displays a message that floats (bottom right) onto of the TV picture for a few seconds, and then disppaears.
(7) It supports I think up to 4 different email configurations so you can check yours, wife, kids and junk emails each with different intervals.
(8) You can delete any emails and it actually removes it from the service provider when you do a manual refresh or during it's next scheduled sync.
(9) There's no way to clear your emails. What I mean is, your TV downloads the emails and tell you that there are 6 new messages. If you go to your PC and actually download and delete those 6 messages, then tell the TV to go check for emails, it reports an error saying there are no emails to download, but it won't actually clear your list on your TV, so you can still read what is stored from the previous download.
(10) You can compose emails. Text is entered like your cell phone text messages (and nope, there's no T9 or iTAP support for composing emails)
(11) I've been able to recreate this once or twice, but not ever time. Read a large email message and scroll to the last possible line, then press PREVIOUS CHANNEL. My TV has rebooted twice as soon as I pressed PREVIOUS CHANNEL. It appears to be similar to a "cablecard hit" from Comcast, as it reports that it's downloading all the cable channel info again. Maybe it was a real Comcast hit, or not, but either way I've done this twice so far but not every time.

BTW, I have a 42LZ196 with a December 2006 build ate on Comcast's service with their SCard (Single Stream) CableCard, since they don't support MCards (Multi Stream cards) at their head end yet.

BTW, I have a 42LZ196 on Comcast's service with their S-Card CableCard, since they don't support M-Cards at their head end yet.

Thanks for the eMail help. Have you been hassled by any ghostbars or anything like that?

Thanks for the eMail help. Have you been hassled by any ghostbars or anything like that?

I've been lucky with a Dec 06 build. No ghost bars at all, and I have about 40 or 60 viewing hours already. I've had no issues so far. My 42LZ196 has been absolutely perfect and I couldn't ask for anything else.

I can suggest improvements for the next firmware which I've already forwarded to Toshiba with a typical response "thanks for provide suggestions". I've use the build-in "Check for firmware" feature of the LCD and so far no new firmware options for the 42LZ196. I wish it would automatically check for firmware options once a day and notify you with an on-screen floating window when one is available.

[QUOTE=crosby1]PIP on these sets is a side-by-side split screen. I'm not particulary fond of this as I find it difficult to see either image. Neither one fills its "half" of the screen fully. They're each more like a "mini" 4:3 image.


Thanks for the info about the PiP, Crosby1. It's too bad more TVs seem to be going with the side-by-side instead of the floating smaller window. My parents have an older CRT Toshiba and use PiP all the time. Like watching golf in the main window but keeping an eye on hockey and then flipping if it looks like something exciting is happening. With the two windows equal sized, I think it'd just be distracting or harder to concentrate on one.

I guess I should have assumed that the swivel stand was also common to the 42", which was the specific model I was asking about. Thanks.

I have the 42HL196, and the stand does NOT swivel.

Not to say the LZ does not swivel however. I remember reading about it in this thread. Someone with the LZ can speak up but I believe it does.

Not to say the LZ does not swivel however. I remember reading about it in this thread. Someone with the LZ can speak up but I believe it does.

I have the 42LZ196 and it does indeed swivel from side to side, maybe about 15 or 20 degrees on each side.

I have the 42LZ196 and it does indeed swivel from side to side, maybe about 15 or 20 degrees on each side.

Thanks very much. That's what I was hoping to hear. Are you satisfied with the set? Any problems with "ghost bars", banding or clouding?

Any opinion on whether I should purchase it now or wait for the LX-177 coming out this summer?

Thanks much for your help. I appreciate it.

Update;

After the mess with PC Richards I decided to call Toshiba again. They gave me a service center which I called and had a tech come over yesterday. He saw my set and called the faint grey bar center screen a backlight shadow. But the thing I found most interesting is he said every set 42 or larger in the 06 regza line has the center " shadow bar". He said it's very faint and 99% of the time you'll never see it unless your looking for it. Which I have to agree with I had the set for over a month and never noticed it till I started reading about ghost bars, which he says this is not. Ghost bars are lighter parts of the screen usually on the sides. There is no fix for this and replacing the set with a similar model would give you the same picture, maybe worse. His solution off the record was to live with it till the new model line is released and then if it still bothers you we'll go through the ropes and see if they'll replace the set with an 2007 model. That's what I'm doing.

Does anyone else see the center grey bar on very light backgrounds? Not side bars.

I sure do... and I'm thinking about having the set replaced by another model. Even though I'm out of the 30 days return policie, I will fight my way to get another model. ( I thought of the Sharp 92, but I've read they also have the banding like the 62 model :( ) My question is: Why is there not A TV that have no display problem??? ... I mean, for like 3000$ can't they do something?

Returning to the middle bar, I'm starting to see more often (that's like this once you've seen it :S), on horizontal panning. I talked to my salesman and he told me to try and contact Toshiba on my side, but that he will help me if I'm not successfull.

Model I Have: 42LZ196

good luck with your tvs